Goddammit.

Bad Craziness.

It's like we knew from the first, the MSM is in bed with the enemy.

Shouldn't the article would be titled something like "No Peace with Sons of Pigs and Monkeys"
or "Why the Joooos are Preventing Peace"

They can't help it. They are Journalism majors. That makes them unfit for every other line of work.

THE HAMAS CHARTER

Hamas 101

Any article that opens with:

President Jimmy Carter's sensible plan to visit the Hamas leadership this week brings honesty and pragmatism to the Middle East....

has got to be crap.

I think of them as fathers everywhere, even in Israel, think of their sons -- as innocent boys, as curious students, as young men with limitless potential -- not as "gunmen" or "militants." But better that they were defenders of their people than parties to their ultimate dispossession; better that they were active in the Palestinian struggle for survival than passive witnesses to our subjugation.

Yeah, better that they became suicide bombers than actually use the billions of dollars in aid that goes to you to build basic infrastructure.

History teaches us that everything is in flux. Our fight to redress the material crimes of 1948 is scarcely begun, and adversity has taught us patience. As for the Israeli state and its Spartan culture of permanent war, it is all too vulnerable to time, fatigue and demographics: In the end, it is always a question of our children and those who come after us.

A little history tip for you: Sparta still drove the Persians out.

They confuse 'revealing' with 'promoting'.

the WAPO is doing what it can to get more subscribers. I understand if you get a subscription, they let you write an OP-Ed

Maybe it's a typo- "No, peace without hamas" is much closer to the truth.

See my spinoff link.

Washington Post Editorial explanation.

Today we published an article by the "foreign minister" of Hamas, Mahmoud al-Zahar, that drips with hatred for Israel, and with praise for former president Jimmy Carter. We believe Mr. Zahar's words are worth publishing because they provide some clarity about the group he helps to lead, a group that Mr. Carter contends is worthy of being included in the Middle East peace process.
Mr. Zahar lauds Mr. Carter for the "welcome tonic" of saying that no peace process can succeed "unless we are sitting at the negotiating table and without any preconditions." Yet Mr. Zahar has his own preconditions: Before any peace process can "take even its first tiny step," he says, Israel must withdraw to the 1967 borders and evacuate Jerusalem while preparing for the "return of millions of refugees." In fact, as Mr. Zahar makes clear, Hamas is not at all interested in a negotiated peace with the Jewish state, whose existence it refuses to accept: "Our fight to redress the material crimes of 1948 is scarcely begun," he concludes.
Hamas is "perfectly willing" for Mahmoud Abbas "to represent them in all direct negotiations with the Israelis, and they also maintain that they will accept any agreement that he brokers with the Israelis" provided a referendum is held on it, says Mr. Abbas. Compare that claim with Mr. Zahar's own words. In fact, Mr. Zahar has called Mr. Abbas "a traitor" for negotiating with Israel - a label that is, in the Palestinian context, an incitement to murder.
Mr. Carter justifies his meetings with familiar arguments about the value of dialogue with enemies. But he misses the point. Contacts between enemies can be useful: Israel is legendary for such negotiations, and even now it is engaged in back-channel bargaining with Hamas through Egypt. But it is one thing to communicate pragmatically, and quite another to publicly and unconditionally grant recognition and political sanction to a leader or a group that advocates terrorism, mass murder or the extinction of another state. That is what Mr. Carter is doing.

re: #10 madisonsfriend

the WAPO is doing what it can to get more subscribers. I understand if you get a subscription, they let you write an OP-Ed

I wish that I was a subscriber to the WAPO, so I could cancel it and tell them why.

I got a kick out of this one:

Are Americans unusually stupid, or is it something our president put in the water? As millions surrender their homes and sacrifice other standards of our nation's economic and political reputation to the caprice of the Bush-Cheney imperium, a majority of voters tell pollsters that they might vote for a candidate who promises more of the same.

/if you don't vote for Obama, you must be stupid..

Another unrepentant, genocidal terrorist is given op-ed column space in the Washington Post.

/well, Obama might be the next President, hedging their bets

Washington COMpost... unfit for bird cage lining.

What the Hell is Wrong with the Washington Post?

To ask the question is to answer it. Babba?

Thanks to the net, the libs have been fully exposed (and there's not much to see...heh). Gads, all these years I had thought that they were a bit sharper. Not bright, but at least of average reasoning ability. Guess I was wrong.

re: #1 laZardo

Goddammit.

He does. And He will.

So if they get bombarded with Letters to Editor, do you think they would actually run them in that rag?

It's all about Moral Equivalency folks...

re: #17 Peacekeeper

What the Hell is Wrong with the Washington Post?

To ask the question is to answer it. Babba?

WHORES OF THE CALIPHATE!

re: #21 BabbaZee

WHORES OF THE CALIPHATE!

YESS!

re: #12 Ben Hur

But it is one thing to communicate pragmatically, and quite another to publicly and unconditionally grant recognition and political sanction to a leader or a group that advocates terrorism, mass murder or the extinction of another state. That is what Mr. Carter is doing.

Uh- what about giving a political soap box to a leader that advocates terrorism, mass murder or the extinction of another state? That is what the wapo is doing.

re: #22 Peacekeeper

YESS!

re: #20 tfc3rid

So if they get bombarded with Letters to Editor, do you think they would actually run them in that rag?

It's all about Moral Equivalency folks...

Not if I write to them- but if you write a letter supporting the Op-Ed in question- it will be published.

The msm (wapo included) will get theirs one day soon, when 'their chickens come home to roost'.

Falling subscriptions and falling viewers because of just such tripe as this.

Sixty-five years ago, the courageous Jews of the Warsaw ghetto rose in defense of their people.

Mr. Kaczyński, any comment?

Can any terrorist goof around with Polish history these days?

AP staging a photo yesterday:

[Link: www.snappedshot.com...]

Political reality or history?

/hmm?

re: #27 Sacred Plants

Sixty-five years ago, the courageous Jews of the Warsaw ghetto rose in defense of their people.

What is the Washington Posts stupidity/evil ratio?

"A "peace process" with Palestinians cannot take even its first tiny step until Israel first withdraws to the borders of 1967; dismantles all settlements; removes all soldiers from Gaza and the West Bank; repudiates its illegal annexation of Jerusalem; releases all prisoners; and ends its blockade of our international borders, our coastline and our airspace permanently. This would provide the starting point for just negotiations and would lay the groundwork for the return of millions of refugees. Given what we have lost, it is the only basis by which we can start to be whole again."
Is he friggin' kidding me? ANYONE - please tell me the last time a victor in a war initiated by others was required to give back land it had conquered and taken away from the aggressors?
And not ONE fucking comment by this "surgeon" about the daily rocket attacks on Israeli civilians by the poor Palestinians.
He's not deluded, nor a fool - he's a cunning, cowardly man, for rather than blaming Egypt and Jordan for the mess the Pali's got into, or the Pali's for continuing that mess (see, e.g. the wonderful greenhouses purchased by Bill Gates and GIVEN to the Pali's for free, which the Pali's proceeded to deliberately destroy.
That the WaPo allows this scum the newspaper space to perpetuate the lies and myths of the Palestinians is just one more example of how the MSM has become nearly totally irrelevant to life today.

re: #21 BabbaZee

COMMUNISLAMIST GRAMSCIAN WHORES OF THE CALIPHATE!

/new and improv'd

c-o-l-l-a-b-o-r-a-t-i-o-n

They still have Krauthammer. The ComPost grows one good thing.

re: #33 laZardo

no no no

COMMISLAMIST

Soon they will go the way of the DoDo

As for the Israeli state and its Spartan culture of permanent war

Rrrrriiight, as opposed to the Palestinian, and specifically Hamas culture, which is of course noted for its enormous contributions to the arts and sciences.

re: #12 Ben Hur

Thanks for linking to this. I think it's fairly important to point out that, although the Post published this piece, it criticizes it directly and harshly and criticizes Carter as well. To say that the Post endorses Hamas is a clear misrepresentation of what appeared in the paper.

re: #37 Shug

Soon they will go the way of the DoDo

You mean the bird, I thought you meant the stuff dogs leave behind.

re: #12 Ben Hur

See my spinoff link.

Mr. Zahar lauds Mr. Carter for the "welcome tonic" of saying that no peace process can succeed "unless we are sitting at the negotiating table and without any preconditions." Yet Mr. Zahar has his own preconditions: Before any peace process can "take even its first tiny step," he says, Israel must withdraw to the 1967 borders and evacuate Jerusalem while preparing for the "return of millions of refugees." In fact, as Mr. Zahar makes clear, Hamas is not at all interested in a negotiated peace with the Jewish state, whose existence it refuses to accept: "Our fight to redress the material crimes of 1948 is scarcely begun," he concludes.

In other words, "No peace without Hamas" means "the end of Israel".
The WaPo has shown they lie with Stan.

re: #40 madisonsfriend

You mean the bird, I thought you meant the stuff dogs leave behind.

they are currently doo doo.

and soon they will follow the dodo into extinction

#16 Washington COMpost... unfit for bird cage lining.

You're my daddy!

Oh, yee of 60% evilness.

re: #31 buzzsawmonkey

What is the Washington Posts stupidity/evil ratio?

10,000/10,000

I am telling you the truth...
The days of torches and pitchforks approacheth!

re: #25 madisonsfriend

Then wage a "reverse jihad" upon them? May our letters feast upon their...uh...computer screens?

OT: Ricin suspect arrested after release from Vegas hospital

Both the WaPo and the NYT have always acted as the semi-official mouthpiece of the State Dept. What you see happening is State's attempt to legitimize Hamas as well as Islamic Jihad. Jimmy Carter, despite the State department denial, is working with the blessing of Sec of State Rice.
Keep in mind that Carter received an official briefing from David Welch prior to leaving on his Support Islamic Terrorism Tour, 2008.

re: #45 VegasRick

10,000/10,000

That's still only 1-to-1.

/maybe up that numerator a little...

re: #24 BabbaZee

I saw that link, and I thought, "Oh Lord she's found a Yes track". fast work.

re: #39 JustMyView

Thanks for linking to this. I think it's fairly important to point out that, although the Post published this piece, it criticizes it directly and harshly and criticizes Carter as well. To say that the Post endorses Hamas is a clear misrepresentation of what appeared in the paper.

You have just exceeded the speed of stupid and evil.

re: #27 Sacred Plants

No planet is free as long as its most advanced form of animal life attempts to eliminate its most advanced form of plant life

.

/so, you're a pothead?

re: #38 Occasional Reader

Rrrrriiight, as opposed to the Palestinian, and specifically Hamas culture, which is of course noted for its enormous contributions to the arts and sciences.

Sure they contribute to art and science - the science of bomb-making and the art of splattered blood.

re: #35 chinesearithmetic

Well, and George Will - but that's no reason to keep them afloat. It's not like Krauthammer and Will won't find other work.

re: #32 realwest

Is he friggin' kidding me? ANYONE - please tell me the last time a victor in a war initiated by others was required to give back land it had conquered and taken away from the aggressors?

Small but important correction: Israel captured the West Bank and Jerusalem from Jordan, the Gaza Strip from Egypt. It offered both of these countries the land many years ago; both refused to take it.

The "Palestinians" cannot have the land "given back to them; they never had it. Israel gave Gaza away to the Arabs who have been calling themselves "Palestinians" since 1964; it did not "give it back." If Israel gives West Bank land to the Arabs who have been calling themselves "Palestinians" since 1964, it will be giving that away also, but it will not be "giving it back."

Other than the great George Will, the WaPo has been nothing but left-wing bilge for decades.

It's also the toilet paper that gave the world Woodward & Bernstein, the 1st celebrity journalists... and journalism would never recover. Every gumshoe or frustrated would-be novelist wanted to become an activist-journalist ever-afterward.

Rathergate, Fauxtography, Jayson Blair... it's all the legacy of the WaPo & the advent of celebrity journalists with Woodward & Bernstein...just another partisan engine of the Left.

re: #53 Killian Bundy

It ain't me, LOL

re: #54 Kosh's Shadow

Sure they contribute to art and science - the science of bomb-making and the art of splattered blood.

And to think they might be able to get a government grant for that.

re: #56 buzzsawmonkey

Everyone needs to listen to this and read the book

re: #12 Ben Hur Ben - well that'll teach me to mouth off in public without knowing all the facts - won't stop me, of course, but it'll teach me. I just didn't think that there'd be a spinoff link to this very topic, posted so quickly.
I have reported your comment #12 in the hope that Charles will do an update.
However, I also have to say that the editorial still doesn't excuse the WaPo's giving this terrorist thug,
(surgeon my ass) room in it's Op-Ed page.

re: #38 Occasional Reader

Rrrrriiight, as opposed to the Palestinian, and specifically Hamas culture, which is of course noted for its enormous contributions to the arts and sciences.

Well, I have visited Israel a number of times- last year most recentlyand they do not have a spartan culture of war. the Palis -being a new group and living in self- created chaos and squalor have no culture.

re: #55 Jonn Lilyea

Well, and George Will - but that's no reason to keep them afloat. It's not like Krauthammer and Will won't find other work.

They have other work as well. Their columns are seen in many papers, and both are on TV.

re: #19 BabbaZee

I'd think it's more likely that I'll have to relabel my maps with "Palestine (Syria-Iran Administration)" soon...

re: #39 JustMyView

Thanks for linking to this. I think it's fairly important to point out that, although the Post published this piece, it criticizes it directly and harshly and criticizes Carter as well. To say that the Post endorses Hamas is a clear misrepresentation of what appeared in the paper.

It should have been incorperated into the article or the article should not have been published at all.

re: #56 buzzsawmonkey

it will be giving that away also,

[BLINK]

re: #39 JustMyView

Thanks for linking to this. I think it's fairly important to point out that, although the Post published this piece, it criticizes it directly and harshly and criticizes Carter as well. To say that the Post endorses Hamas is a clear misrepresentation of what appeared in the paper.

Right. And how many times is the Washington Post going to use that lame excuse? They've published op-eds by Yasser Arafat, Khaled Meshaal, CAIR, the Muslim Brotherhood, and the spiritual leader of Hizballah, Muhammad Hussein Fadlallah.

I'm sure they were just trying to show us all how bad these people are.

re: #64 laZardo

I'd think it's more likely that I'll have to relabel my maps with "Palestine (Syria-Iran Administration)" soon...

You are actively rooting for your enemy.

re: #47 laZardo

Then wage a "reverse jihad" upon them? May our letters feast upon their...uh...computer screens?

Please more dahij esrever!

re: #57 firebreather

Other than the great George Will, the WaPo has been nothing but left-wing bilge for decades.

It's also the toilet paper that gave the world Woodward & Bernstein, the 1st celebrity journalists... and journalism would never recover. Every gumshoe or frustrated would-be novelist wanted to become an activist-journalist ever-afterward.

Rathergate, Fauxtography, Jayson Blair... it's all the legacy of the WaPo & the advent of celebrity journalists with Woodward & Bernstein...just another partisan engine of the Left.

Who was the WAPO writer who lied about some child in the ghetto? Didn't she get a Pulitzer for her lies?

re: #58 BabbaZee

It ain't me, LOL

It was a question, not meant to be disparaging.

/ever wake up in a strange attic before?

re: #20 tfc3rid Um, my friend, please see Ben-Hurs comment #12 above.

Why the outrage? This editorial sounds a lot like it could have been written by any of the Obama-crowd. /We should get used to it.

re: #68 BabbaZee

More like I'm just being cynical, slothful and mean. I don't put much "faith" (as it were) in the power of reason over...shall we say... "fervor."

re: #67 Charles

Seems to me the Post is playing the Libs favorite game of 'Everybody Deserves a Chance to be Heard'

re: #71 Killian Bundy

It was a question, not meant to be disparaging.

/ever wake up in a strange attic before?

Oh I know that I was just teasing

and
LOL.....

matter of fact, yes.

re: #68 BabbaZee