Work accident?

Gaza is not safe ?

re: #1 Ward Cleaver

Work accident?

Looked like it me yesterday when a bunch of us waded through the pictures.

re: #1 Ward Cleaver

Work accident?

Hmmm... Guess not.

And oddly enough, there were 10 hits yesterday from the UK Canary Wharf office of Reuters; all of those hits went to this LGF page from 2006, when a car Shana was riding in (with some other suspicious people) was struck by an IAF missile: IAF Airstrike Hits Reuters Armored Car.

Didn't his momma ever warn him about hanging out with "the wrong crowd"?

They wanted to see what the evil Joooos would say.

I wonder how many Reuter's employess, NOT LOCAL STRINGERS WHO PLAY DRESS UP, went to pay respects at his "funeral."

Another one bites the dust!

Good shooting, IDF.

I wouldn't go as far to call it a work accident, but it smacks false because where is the hue and cry of "Evil JOOOOOOOS!" for his death?

Not wishing pain or death on anyone, but it just smacks false.

when do you think they'll figure out that putting the word press on the side of your car doesn't make you bullet proof?

The damn Israelis
If they would just leave and die the Palestinians would not need to die for no reason

/Jimmy Carter

Suicide by Tank.

Hamas fires mortars at the IDF, in and among them a guy hops out of a car and points an optical device at an IDF tank. Optical devices are used to guide missiles as well as cameras. TC sees it aim at him, and preserves his kester and that of his crew.

re: #10 bulwrk

when do you think they'll figure out that putting the word press on the side of your car doesn't make you bullet proof?

Not even if it says "REUTERS"?

Heck of a coincidence.

re: #4 Ward Cleaver

Didn't his momma ever warn him about hanging out with "the wrong crowd"?

Exactly, ya hang out in a target rich environment ya asking for trouble.

And when trouble calls, dont complain (thats if ya alive to complain)

I posted the video in the spin offs.

It appears to be one of those shells that explodes and sprays darts or whatever all around.

Which would lead you to ask, how did his car go up in flames after the incident?

And did you see the HUGE front page pic in the NYTIMES today?

It's of the two bicyclists on the ground.

STAGED.

So who got his naughty bits, in the ensuing car swarm? Jimmah?

re: #14 Ward Cleaver

Not even if it says "REUTERS"?

I think that actually draws fire.

re: #19 bulwrk

Not even if it says "REUTERS"?

I think that actually draws fire.

From their friends the Hamassholes? No WAY!

re: #17 Ben Hur

I posted the video in the spin offs.

It appears to be one of those shells that explodes and sprays darts or whatever all around.

Which would lead you to ask, how did his car go up in flames after the incident?

And did you see the HUGE front page pic in the NYTIMES today?

It's of the two bicyclists on the ground.

STAGED.

Yep, staged, photo arrives to record the Pallywood production, and points his camera in the wrong direction (at the tank) and a little reality occurs.

re: #17 Ben Hur

Is this the video?

re: #21 jcm

Yep, staged, photo arrives to record the Pallywood production, and points his camera in the wrong direction (at the tank) and a little reality occurs.

Bummer.

re: #22 MandyManners

Is this the video?

This is the 3rd time you've posted this vid, Mandy. You really getting mileage out of it hey?

re: #22 MandyManners

Is this the video?

Whoops!

IMI (Israeli Military Industries) does NOT produce a 120mm "flechette" round.

[Link: www.imi-israel.com...]

DOES
NOT,
R

re: #22 MandyManners

Is this the video?

Aiwa.

re: #26 Render

IMI (Israeli Military Industries) does NOT produce a 120mm "flechette" round.

[Link: www.imi-israel.com...]

DOES
NOT,
R

Which means the Israelis are using American weaponry!

BOYCOTT THE USA!

re: #22 MandyManners

Yes.

AFFIRMATIVE,
R

bbl

Is this the new Palestinian "Boy Who Cried Wolf" parable? Feigning attacks so many times that everyone's surprised when one actually happens?

And yeah, those appearing, disappearing bicyclist "bodies" are really suspicious. Like so much Palestinian fauxography, they rush to the supposed site of an attack and then stage a "die in". Israeli should start lobbing rounds out into the ocean just to see how many actors drown trying to swim out there and "get hit".

Is LGF doing the investigative reporting for Reuters now? Or is Reuters simply trying to find out the 'right wing spin' on this story so they can counter it with their own 'version' of the truth?

Israel should just do the right thing and handle this once and for all
They probably would not break a sweat doing it
What is gonna happen ?
The world might hate Jews ?
Most everyone does already

Embedded media embedded a bit too much in bed?

Did Charles open registration just for our Reuters visitors?

That could be entertaining.

Camera's don't kill people. People taking pictures with cameras kill people.

They should'a fired back.

That's why I say . . .

They'll now be known as Thomson Reuters.

A mole from deep within attended some festivities at Radio City today where this alleged cameraman was eulogized.

Word is they laid it on thick.

re: #26 Render

IMI (Israeli Military Industries) does NOT produce a 120mm "flechette" round.

[Link: www.imi-israel.com...]

DOES
NOT,
R

VT (variable timing) air burst HE (high explosive)? Don't really need a flechette.

re: #32 shibumi

Is LGF doing the investigative reporting for Reuters now? Or is Reuters simply trying to find out the 'right wing spin' on this story so they can counter it with their own 'version' of the truth?

More investigative reporting goes on here than the entire MSM if you ask me.

re: #34 Golem Akbar

Embedded media embedded a bit too much in bed?

Now he's embedded in the street.

I am not sure why registration was opened but thank you very much as I have been trying to get an LGF account for a long while. Looks like our cameraman didn't die in vain afterall.

re: #42 Ward Cleaver

Now he's embedded in the street.

And in the sidewalk, and maybe a little in the tree over there.

Come on in, Reuterians!

/heh

re: #44 Golem Akbar

And in the sidewalk, and maybe a little in the tree over there.

Yep.

Charles and LGF
The go to guy for the facts
The MSM and Air America never bash America or Israel with out checking here first

when a car Shana was riding in (with some other suspicious people) was struck by an IAF missile:

you ride with terrorists , you get sploded

re: #49 Shug

you ride with terrorists , you get sploded

Yeah, hangin' wit' da homies ain't what it used to be.

re: #47 song_and_dance_man

OT

B. Hussein is an evil man.

Ahhh! Just a run of the mill marxist... oh wait that is evil.

You're right!

re: #50 Golem Akbar

Yeah, hangin' wit' da homies ain't what it used to be.

especially when your application for virgins is DENIED

Later, Lizards. It's BASEBALL TIME!

re: #50 Golem Akbar

Yeah, hangin' wit' da homies ain't what it used to be.

re: #28 Ben Hur

The US does not produce 120mm "flechette" rounds for tanks either. We use the M1028 cannister round, in very small numbers.

[Link: www.defense-update.com...]

*scroll to bottom of page linked.

Our last flechette tank round was in 105mm.

NEXT,
R

re: #47 song_and_dance_man

OT

B. Hussein is an evil man.
You Racist Honky

Seems more likely to have been a work accident...perhaps a car full of explosives hit a speed bump.

re: #43 Beseduh

"our"

?,
R

re: #56 LeftJustAintRight

OT

B. Hussein is an evil man.
You Racist Honky

Honky Honky!

Karma

re: #57 Darwin Akbar

Seems more likely to have been a work accident...perhaps a car full of explosives hit a speed bump.

Slow down and live!

We discussed this yesterday. Snapped shot has the right idea but their analysis is a bit off. Here is Fadel's body with his car in the background. It's smoldering a bit but it's not on fire. After they remove the body then the car bursts into flames. Notice only the interior of the car iis burning, this isn't a gas fire from leaking fuel. Not even the tires are burning. Then they put out the fire and hose down the scene. I think they set the fire in the car to destroy possible evidence and hosed down the scene for the same reason.

re: #57 Darwin Akbar

Seems more likely to have been a work accident...perhaps a car full of explosives hit a speed bump.

Do they have to keep stirring while driving? Dropped the stir stick to put both hands on the wheel.

re: #57 Darwin Akbar

Seems more likely to have been a work accident...perhaps a car full of explosives hit a zionist speed bump.

/MSM

re: #45 Ward Cleaver

Come on in, Reuterians!

/heh

Got a probable Brit with nic sceptical on other thread. Wouldn't admit to being Brit but spells skeptical like one. Very interesting.

re: #61 Ward Cleaver

The video does show the tank firing just before he was killed so I think it's safe to assume that's what killed him.

re: #62 Killgore Trout

We discussed this yesterday. Snapped shot has the right idea but their analysis is a bit off. Here is Fadel's body with his car in the background. It's smoldering a bit but it's not on fire. After they remove the body then the car bursts into flames. Notice only the interior of the car iis burning, this isn't a gas fire from leaking fuel. Not even the tires are burning. Then they put out the fire and hose down the scene. I think they set the fire in the car to destroy possible evidence and hosed down the scene for the same reason.

Hmmm... special effects. George Lucas would be proud.

Bush, British PM Pledge Tough Stance on Iran's Nuclear Ambitions
WASHINGTON — President Bush and British Prime Minister Gordon Brown jointly pledged to step up efforts to thwart Iran’s nuclear enrichment program and work with European leaders to increase sanctions on the country during a press conference outside the White House on Thursday.

Bush called it “naïve” to believe that Iran is not intending to transfer its nuclear enrichment capabilities from energy development to atomic bomb production. Bush described Iran as “untrustworthy,” and said that if the country “learns how to enrich, it is knowledge which can be used to develop a nuclear weapon.”
Bush and Brown Tough on Iran
LOL
Hahahahahaha
On January 19,2009 Bush is gonna Give dinnerjacket the nukes he wanted

/I can hope

Sorry, this photo looks absolutely staged. Looks like more Pallywood again.

re: #66 Killgore Trout

The video does show the tank firing just before he was killed so I think it's safe to assume that's what killed him.

I guess he learned it's not polite to point.

/his camera, that is

re: #59 Ward Cleaver

Honky Honky!

LOL

The clip isn't there though

re: #69 Egfrow

try this link

re: #66 Killgore Trout

The video does show the tank firing just before he was killed so I think it's safe to assume that's what killed him.

I am not expert enough to even speculate on what killed him and how. I will leave that to those lizards here with the experience and training to do so. However, I do remember reading in 3rd grade that being in a WAR ZONE is inherently dangerous and can be hazardous to your health.

re: #68 LeftJustAintRight

By air mail.

"Special delivery for Mr. Ahmadinejad!"

re: #66 Killgore Trout

I'll agree with you. Air burst anti-personnel munition.

Against a vehicle parked in defilade and what must have looked like an anti-tank team.

CLEAN
KILL,
R

re: #66 Killgore Trout

The video does show the tank firing just before he was killed so I think it's safe to assume that's what killed him.

You had a shot yesterday showing a mortar round fire at the IDF position. The palis where up to something, and the Pali Publicity Agent caught a round instead of the production event to show how the jooz use tanks to gun down bicyclists.

re: #74 Ward Cleaver

By air mail.

The only way to deliver nukes to Islamicnuts

re: #73 Nevergiveup

I am not expert enough to even speculate on what killed him and how. I will leave that to those lizards here with the experience and training to do so. However, I do remember reading in 3rd grade that being in a WAR ZONE is inherently dangerous and can be hazardous to your health.

sumfin about guns ,,, ,bullets ,,,,,,,, enemies ,,,,,,, if my old memory would only let me remember!

re: #75 Render

I'll agree with you. Air burst anti-personnel munition.

Against a vehicle parked in defilade and what must have looked like an anti-tank team.

CLEAN
KILL,
R

Bingo!

re: #77 LeftJustAintRight

The only way to deliver nukes to Islamicnuts

Thirty minutes, or it's free!

re: #73 Nevergiveup

He must have been absent the day they taught you when a tank points its gun in your direction run for cover.

re: #54 BabbaZee

Yes!

re: #69 Egfrow

Sorry, this photo looks absolutely staged. Looks like more Pallywood again.

Hmmmm... That page is blank now.

re: #81 bulwrk

He must have been absent the day they taught you when a tank points its gun in your direction run for cover.

And wash in the bathroom for the part about not pointing things at tanks.

re: #47 song_and_dance_man

OT

B. Hussein is an evil man.

i think the wife is worse.
what a hideous pair we would have in the white house.

re: #81 bulwrk

He must have been absent the day they taught you when a tank points its gun in your direction run for cover.

He played hooky that day.

Dinner time. See lez laytuh!

I'm sorry to say this.. but when you drive up in front of a battle ready tank in a fighting position.. in a car with a "TV" sign sticker on it and get out a big bulky looking box like device and set it up on a tripod and aim it at the tank.. it might be a tv camera.. or it might be a anti tank rocket or even a hammas owned shaped charge.. the guys in the tank .. can run away.. or shoot.. Israel rightly trains it's troops to shoot.

I would suggest TV crews stay a long way off.. or maybe go to the zoo and throw sticks at tigers in their cages if they want good action footage.

re: #83 Ward Cleaver

Hmmmm... That page is blank now.

Strange. They must not like us.

/RACIST LIZARDOPHOBES!

re: #72 Egfrow

Yes, that's certainly staged. How long would it have taken for the abumlance in the background to arrive? 20-30 minutes? These guys (with no apparent injuries) just lay next to thier bike for that long? no way

The "well signed" truck is clearly in a culvert as per the video. The video from the photographer was taken from an elevated position toward the tank. So how would the tank crew tell that the video crew was what it was? At that distance someone on a ridge line with a shouldered camera with other compatriots, might look like a shoulder launch about to happen. The idiot "camera crew" if that was the true intent of this group, deserved to get this response, like pulling a "fake" gun on a cop.

Additionally, it is strange the bodies are on the road at the bottom of the culvert.

Sorry, this "crime scene" doesn't add up!

re: #82 Golem Akbar

Yes!

re: #90 Killgore Trout

Yes, that's certainly staged. How long would it have taken for the abumlance in the background to arrive? 20-30 minutes? These guys (with no apparent injuries) just lay next to thier bike for that long? no way

I frequently lie in the middle of the road next to my bike on a long ride to rest.
/

re: #75 Render

I'll agree with you. Air burst anti-personnel munition.

Ah that explains it. I was wondering why there wasn't a crater beneath the car.

re: #85 nyc redneck

i think the wife is worse.
what a hideous pair we would have in the white house.

okay ,, I'm confused ,,, we talkin barry and his wife or hillary and Bill !?!?!?!

re: #76 jcm

I'm not sure that was the same location. It might have been but there just wasn't enough evidence.

re: #94 Killgore Trout

Ah that explains it. I was wondering why there wasn't a crater beneath the car.

An air burst would riddle a car with holes. A piece of shrapnel would have to short some wires to start a fire.

My theory :

The Zionist darts blew him several thousand feet into the air.

While he was heading up, then returning to earth, the firefighters put out the burning car. The ambulance came, went, and returned.

Then his body landed next to the formerly burning car and people attempted to remove it.

/ yeah, that's the ticket

re: #72 Egfrow

try this link

"You got my good side, right? The other guy, in the fetal position, is that too much?"

re: #99 Ward Cleaver

"You got my good side, right? The other guy, in the fetal position, is that too much?"

Is that Vince Foster?

Is 10 a spike?

More like a hangnail ...

re: #91 Ballistic4N6

Also notice that his car has one of those foil sunscreen things in the front windshield. I would guess they had been parked there for quite a while.

re: #58 Render

"our"

?,
R

not "our" as in denoting possesion or alliance of anykind do not worry.

re: #65 snowcrash

Got a probable Brit with nic sceptical on other thread. Wouldn't admit to being Brit but spells skeptical like one. Very interesting.

Word choice and sentence structure in subsequent post also suggest a Brit.

/Not that there's anything wrong with that.

re: #75 Render

you can see the air burst in the video a split sec before it goes dead.

re: #98 Shug

My theory :

The Zionist darts blew him several thousand feet into the air.

While he was heading up, then returning to earth, the firefighters put out the burning car. The ambulance came, went, and returned.

Then his body landed next to the formerly burning car and people attempted to remove it.

/ yeah, that's the ticket

On the IMDb, they'd call that "Goofs". Errors in continuity.

re: #85 nyc redneck

what a hideous pair we would have in the white house.

It would not be White for long
New reality show !
Pimp My White House !

WLGF out

re: #94 Killgore Trout

It also explains why the vehicle wasn't reduced to component atoms scattered for several hundred yards in all directions.

The video clears up much of the confusion about what type of round.

The video also reveals a notable absence of bicycle riders...

AFTER
SHOCK,
R

re: #100 Shug

Is that Vince Foster?

I had to laugh, listening to Hugh Hewitt the other day. Some lady called in, talking about Hillary Clinton supporting gun rights. She said, "I'll bet Hillary hasn't fired a gun since the Vince Foster suicide".

re: #112 Ward Cleaver

Hugh probably choked when she said that.

Good evening, Lizards.

re: #113 ploome hineni

In the staged aftermath photos there are two "civilians" shown laying on the ground, with a bike, about 50 yards in front of the car.

LIKE I
SEE 'EM,
R

re: #116 goddessoftheclassroom

Hi

re: #112 Ward Cleaver

awesome

re: #113 ploome hineni

why bicycle riders?

The Pallywood script....
Two hard working Pali boys peddling home bring home a days wages to their poor bereaved mother (father is being held in a Israeli jail) are brutally massacred by the IDF.

They plan works the IDF fires on the provocation, but goes awry when the Pallywood camera team catches the round.

Real Change Requires Real Change

/Newt

Well the way the photos were ordered, it broadcasts "screwy." The vehicle is in huge flames, but the bodies were not burned at all. What are we supposed to believe, they were hit, but the vehicle burst into flames AFTER? Well sometimes that happens in a car accident if the gas tank is ruptured, but there are pictures of an upset guy sitting half INSIDE the vehicle, all weepy eyed, but when was that? The interior really doesn't look scorched in anyway. Wouldn't have to have been BEFORE Before the car fire? What moron would put himself INSIDE a burning vehicle to pose? What moron photographer would put himself inside a burning vehicle to photograph a stooge? Or ... was the vehicle actually not on fire for a while? Screwy.
Like how they comment that his Reuters collegues are mixed in that rabble-ly crowd. THOSE people are Reuters staff? Unfair and unbalanced?

General Sherman said if he would kill all the reporters he would get reports from hell the next morning SSDD

Since he filmed the tank fire that killed him not so much mystery here. He died of trauma, and likely saved others from the same with his Hamas agitprop.

I wonder how a video camera survives a tank blast in such a way that the film or Hard Drive can even be used later.

re: #126 rawmuse

musta been one of those rugged panasonic ones, eh?

i wouldn't be surprised if the palis killed him. or finished him off.
just to damn the israelis.

re: #105 bulwrk

you can see the air burst in the video a split sec before he it goes dead.

President Bush sent a sympathy card.

[Link: www.cocosafe.com...]

re: #126 rawmuse

I wonder how a video camera survives a tank blast in such a way that the film or Hard Drive can even be used later.

Since it looks like airburst, injuries and damage are not so much blast as shrapnel. Unless a piece directly hits the HD, tape or memory, the images would be fine.

re: #72 Egfrow

try this link

Pallywood outtakes!

re: #126 rawmuse

I wonder how a video camera survives a tank blast in such a way that the film or Hard Drive can even be used later.

they could make them out of the same material they make airplane black boxes out of !
just sayin!

The Reuters video is so edited, it's hard to tell who's doing what, when and where. There is just a short clip of the tank firing - which is from his camera, but the running camera shots are from another camera and the bodies were already off the road.
Just like which was mentioned upthread, the vehicle was behind an embankment, so all that irate talk about it being properly marked is worthless - it was hidden from the tank they all evidently were at a minimum spying on.

re: #62 Killgore Trout

From your link.

This is more interesting:

Israel struck hard against targets in Gaza on Wednesday, killing at least 20 Palestinians in a day of heavy fighting that also saw three Israeli soldiers killed in a brazen Hamas ambush.

And they wonder why the IDF responds so decisively.

re: #134 Racer X

And they wonder why the IDF responds so decisively.

Not decisive enough.

re: #135 itellu3times

See post #33

re: #136 LeftJustAintRight

See post #33

I don't think anything apocalpytic is called for, I always point to how King Hussien handled his Black September, and had very little trouble thereafter. You simply have to get their attention!

re: #137 itellu3times

I don't think anything apocalpytic is called for

I am talking about taking care of the Palestinians like they did Iran
Are they going to be hated more than they are now?
Think not

This is just typical 'rab bullshit. The ONLY things that they expend effort on are jihad and propaganda.

They can't even take Viagra without amphetamines.

The most perverted, debased culture in the history of the human race.

The Palestinians are pathetic little bullies
Stand up to them and they will run or fight

All of Palliwood is in mourning.

The next phony staging will be dedicated in his memory.

Drudge has a story that Time Magazine is running a cover showing the Flag Raising on Iwo Jima except substituting a green tree for the American Flag thereby insinuating that the " war on global warming" is on a par with WW2. Iwo Jima Vets and their families ( which I am, my father was a Capt.
attached to the 4th Marines on Iwo) are furious.

re: #144 Nevergiveup

I saw that. How disgusting.

Just another reason why I would never ever open a Time magazine.

A Hamas problem for Obama?

During an interview on WABC radio Sunday, top Hamas political adviser Ahmed Yousef said the terrorist group supports Obama’s foreign policy vision.

We don’t mind–actually we like Mr. Obama. We hope he will (win) the election and I do believe he is like John Kennedy, great man with great principle, and he has a vision to change America to make it in a position to lead the world community but not with domination and arrogance,” Yousef said in response to a question about the group’s willingness to meet with either of the Democratic presidential candidates.

Hamas Supporting Obama / Not Kidding

Hamas says Carter visit a boost to militants' legitimacy

Thanks Jimmuh.

re: #143 savage_nation

Preach on!

I will. Just as I get through passin' the plate!

re: #144 Nevergiveup

Drudge has a story that Time Magazine is running a cover showing the Flag Raising on Iwo Jima except substituting a green tree for the American Flag thereby insinuating that the " war on global warming" is on a par with WW2. Iwo Jima Vets and their families ( which I am, my father was a Capt.
attached to the 4th Marines on Iwo) are furious.

A War on a Hoax. On a par with what the men on Iwo did?

Take that tree and shove it up Times collective.....

re: #146 LeftJustAintRight

A Hamas problem for Obama?

Hamas Supporting Obama / Not Kidding

i just heard clip on mark levin's show.
obama said, "i decided not to wear THAT PIN" on my chest.
hamas knows who will do their bidding.

Play nice. BBL. ?

re: #147 Racer X

Hamas says Carter visit a boost to militants' legitimacy

Thanks Jimmuh.

And remember Jimmuh is going for the trifecta also. He met Hamas on the West Bank, In Egypt, and coming soon to a theater near you Hamas's big man in Syria.

Obama / Carter 08 !

re: #151 savage_nation

somebody should photoshop al gore bent over into the photo

re: #154 Nevergiveup

Hamas's big man in Syria.

Hamas's big man in Syria the White House.
Fixed

re: #144 Nevergiveup

Drudge has a story that Time Magazine is running a cover showing the Flag Raising on Iwo Jima except substituting a green tree for the American Flag thereby insinuating that the " war on global warming" is on a par with WW2. Iwo Jima Vets and their families ( which I am, my father was a Capt.
attached to the 4th Marines on Iwo) are furious.

Typical liberal mindthought, the flag is just a symbol, and if they can burn it without repercussion, then what is the big deal about substituting one "symbolic" flag for another to further the liberal agenda. What is Iowa Jima anyway? Isn't that where the evil American imperialist marines killed all those Vietnamese?

/sarc off

re: #155 LeftJustAintRight

Obama / Carter 08 !

Waugh!

re: #151 savage_nation

there!

Thanks!

How was the drive through the Rockies?

Hiya LoFlyer

re: #155 LeftJustAintRight

Obama / Carter 08 !

For president of IRAN

re: #155 LeftJustAintRight

Obama / Carter 08 !

*HURL * PUKE * CHOKE *

You owe me two monitors and a keyboard.

re: #85 nyc redneck

i think the wife is worse.
what a hideous pair we would have in the white house.

yeah, Tuvak and Cynthia McKinney

Well here's Rueters "news" story about the incident:

Israeli shell killed Reuters cameraman: Gaza doctors
GAZA (Reuters) - Tiny darts sprayed from a controversial missile used by Israel killed a Reuters cameraman in Gaza, local doctors said on Thursday -- though Israeli forces would not say whether one of their tanks fired the fatal shot.

A medical examination and X-rays showed several 3 cm (inch) -long spikes, known as flechettes, in the body of Fadel Shana, a 23-year-old Palestinian. He was killed on Wednesday as he filmed an Israeli tank dug in about a kilometer (1,000 yards) away.

The last few seconds of video shot on Shana's tripod-mounted camera show the tank firing, then a mid-air explosion consistent with the burst of a missile. The camera was shattered in the explosion that killed Shana. Black metal darts were embedded in his body armor, which bore a fluorescent strip reading "PRESS".

Shana's soundman, Wafa Abu Mizyed, was wounded in the arm and two teenage bystanders were also killed in the incident. A Reuters car carrying "TV" and "Press" markings was destroyed.

Yunes Ramadan Awadallah, one of the physicians who examined Shana's body at Gaza's Shifa hospital, said he died of multiple lacerations from the projectiles, some of which entered his chest through his neck and shoulder, severing his spinal cord.

Reuters, backed by media organizations in the region and around the world, has requested an urgent investigation by the Israeli army, which has defended its use of flechette missiles in Gaza against complaints by human rights activists.

An Israeli military spokeswoman said she could not confirm that a tank fired at the cameraman nor comment on weaponry it might have used but said the army, which has expressed regret, hoped to cooperate with Reuters to study the incident.

Troops killed 17 Palestinians, including several civilians, on Wednesday after three Israeli soldiers were killed in clashes in the Hamas Islamist-controlled enclave. Another militant was killed in Gaza on Thursday.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

re: #165 ackomanyuki

yeah, Tuvak and Cynthia McKinney

look at that bitter hateful woman.

I deplore the use of the term "civilians" in these press reports. Any "civilians" that have a half a brain would make sure they were elswhere before the shooting started. Just because a bystander is not holding a weapon does not make him innocent or a "civilian".

I noticed the 10 hits by Reuters yesterday and thinking WTF, then I figured they wanted a new spin on the Dem debate.

fleshettes...hmmm, didn't all the past pals suicide bombers use
allah-fleshettes?

I don;t recal a Reuters (or any MSM) hew and cry when the young ISraeli kid lost his legs, and then his life, after getting hit by a Gazan rocket while at home in Sderot.

I guess Israeli kids don;t count as much as palestinian terrorist enablers media stringers.

Fuck 'em all.

Tuvak from Star Trek Voyager is EXACTLY who Obama reminds me of.

When I was watching the debate last night, my eyes kept wandering to ears.

It was distracting, actually.

Tuvok.

Obama. (doesn't quite manage the 'live long and prosper' hand sign.)

Someone help me out with this one... Why did the Palestinians torch the car AFTER they had removed the bodies from the scene?

re: #85 nyc redneck

i think the wife is worse.
what a hideous pair we would have in the white house.

#95

okay ,, I'm confused ,,, we talkin barry and his wife or hillary and Bill !?!?!?!

Ehhh, Same difference-----Mclame!

CLuebat to TIME magazine: how many trees died to provide paper for your latest issue? How much carbon-fuels were belched into the air delivering TIME to newsstands?

TIME should walk the talk and go 100% electronic magazine - using no coal-fired electrical plants or ah, no dams for the electricity. Oh, and no electricity generated by nuclear power ... well if TIME really wanted to save the planet, it'd just kill itself.

Want to copy what #43 Beseda said- I've been lurking a long time too to get registered!

Welcome, hatchling. Seems like there's just lil' old me around to say it because it's a dead thread. From my observations, lizards race to a new thread with enthusiasm and glee.

Fadel mohammed Shana

Way to go Reuters. Keep hiring those neutral palestinians.

re: #115 bulwrk

Hugh probably choked when she said that.

He stammered a little bit. I just laughed.

There are just too many inconsistencies here. If I were the IDF, I'd secure the entire video. But let's look at what has been made available. From the Al-Reuters site the amalgamated video contains a clip which is purportedly made by the cameraman. It shows a tank in the distance followed by a puff of smoke, a green puff appears in the air, and then the camera goes blank. Next we see a crew arriving at the scene to find bodies on the ground and a SUV which appears relatively intact. Note the appearance of the windshield which appears to be riddled with as many as a dozen "bullet" holes. We cut to a clip which appears to be at a Gaza hospital and then back to the scene. Finally, it appears that a "rescuer" is pulling away what appears to be a tripod from the proximity of the bodies. Then the tape cuts away to an interview with Reuter execs followed by some pix of the "deceased" and then a really short clip which has the vehicle in flames.

In a related article we have some pictures. The 6th photo shows the vehicle suddenly in "flames". Note that the two bodies have suddenly disappeared though the blood on the ground presumably where their bodies were remains. Note that an ambulance is immediately alongside a burning vehicle. There is also the appearance of a blood trail which is between the ambulance and the vehicle. Finally, a large, shiny metal object (bumper?) suddenly appears on the ground in proximity to where the bodies were. This item did not appear in the video. Photos 10 and 11 depict some Paleos hosing down the car and the road. Note, the large shiny metal object has disappeared.

So is this a Pallywood production? Without the original tape, it would be hard to say. A couple things are very troubling.

1) The SUV - The windshield appears to be riddled with bullet holes rather than the effect of an airburst munition which would obliterate the glass. Also, note that the holes in the windshield appear to be made externally rather than internally (classic bullet hole appearance with smaller entrance and larger exit pattern) yet the side and rear of the SUV appears to have been subject to a large explosion? If this had been a missile or shell hit the windshield should have been blown out or the holes would have had the reverse appearance. I need a larger rez image to be sure.

2) Why does the SUV suddenly burst into flames much later after the bodies have been removed? The timing is suspicious.

3) Why would an ambulance sit next to a vehicle in flames?

4) What is the shiny metal object that appears to be a bumper? What is it doing in between the bodies and why does it not appear in the video?

5) Why the rush to clean up the scene? This is out of character with typical Paleo catastrophes where they dance around with body parts and wreckage for hours?

Getty has some more images of the scene and they raise more questions. Look at the one image of the cameraman's camera - it appears untouched. How would this guy, who appears in one image to be nearly decapitated have his camera escape unharmed? Also, how were the other three persons wounded/killed when they appear to be several hundred feet away?

I work in Malha as the same building as the Reuters office in Jerusalem. I think that I shared more than one elevator ride with the guy. It sounds to me that he was pointing a camera at the wrong thing at the wrong time. His vehicle, which I guess will no longer be taking my parking place, was a silver utility vehicle with letters "TV' in three high in brown paint on the hood. There is no way that any tank crew would be able to identify it as anything special from that distance. And with quassam crews doing their best to look like anything but terrorists....

Well going to ghetty and looking at pictures, and that vehicle is not the same as the one next that parks in Malha. For one it has TV in red on a white background. Still it would be hard to identify if not looking head on.

Video of Attack on Reuters Reporter. Flechettes it is.

If we don't trust the photos, why would we trust a report that he's dead? Is there a body verified by somebody other than the liars at the PA?

[Link: www.defense-update.com...]

"Several hundreds of APAM projectiles were fired during the war. APAM proved to be the most effective anti-personnel and anti-structure weapon available to the combined arms forces, proving its effectiveness at all realistic combat ranges. Merkava 3 and 4s were equipped with 120mm guns, used modified Flechette for similar anti-personnel roles. These rounds 105mm projectiles are fitted with a 120mm sabot to fit the larger barrel. The projectile used all combat ranges. It is filled with 5,000 steel darts, providing the tank an effective open-area AP capability, and has a high kill probability. IMI is expected to complete development and production of a 120mm version of the APAM which will offer more advanced features, compared to the 105mm type."

LIKE
I
SAID,
R

I haven't read through all of these posts, but don't forget that the entire "hit by a missile" 2006 story was a complete fake. Reuters was so eager to show that its vehicle was well-marked, that they made a thorough and convincing record that no missile or rocket or anything more than random small arms fire ever came near their vehicle.

All of us have seen cars that have suffered far, far more damage from routine car accidents than the Reuters vehicle allegedly suffered from a direct missile strike.

And -- before I forget -- I haven't seen a good car-swarm story in a long time!

Getty/Rooters are still claiming in their captions...

"...after his car was hit by an Israeli missile..."

And...

"...An Israeli air strike today killed the Palestinian cameraman working for the Reuters news service."

48
HOURS
LATER,
R

re: #6 MandyManners

Another one bites the dust!

Looked like an airburst/beehive type round....nasty.

Obviously the first close shave didn't dissuade him.
Exceptional dedication. To something.

Oops...that'll teach me to skip past posts....

It's fake. If the reporting is true then it is fake.

Picture One
Picture Two

If you look at the two pictures it is not done by flechettes shell. Flechettes shells contains hundreds or thousands of darts. If it is shot by a tank the car will have lots of holds in it. It will not set the car on fire. Flechettes rounds are not incendiary weapon. Notice the front end of the car is almost untouch. If you google there are some pictures where the front window is still intact.

The video below use pellets instead of flechettes but the result are the same.
Shotgun Tank Round - XM1028 120mm Canister Tank Cartridge

re: #191 markie

Looked like an airburst/beehive type round....nasty.

Obviously the first close shave didn't dissuade him.
Exceptional dedication. To something.

If it is airburst then the car will be blown to pieces. As a rule of thumb heavy explosive weapon against unarmored vehicle will destroy it completely.

Does working for Reuters entitle you to virgins, or do you have to kill people?

#193 jdun 4/18/08 12:53:37 am reply quote report 0

If you look at the two pictures it is not done by flechettes shell. Flechettes shells contains hundreds or thousands of darts. If it is shot by a tank the car will have lots of holds in it. It will not set the car on fire. Flechettes rounds are not incendiary weapon. Notice the front end of the car is almost untouch. If you google there are some pictures where the front window is still intact.

True. I served in the IDF as a tank crew member and I can confirm what ýou and others are saying here. Also, flechettes are very rarely used, especially in Gaza. If the car was hit by a regular armor-piercing shell it would have been annihilated completely.

The IMI/IDF 120mm APAM round carries six sub-munitions. Those six sub-munitions hold around 5,000 steel darts combined.

The APAM round is not a conventional flechette/beehive/cannister giant shotgun shell.

Dead photobugs video shows just one of those sub-munitions detonating. Presumably, the first one.

The damage to the rear of the vehicle could very well have been caused by a very close proximity detonation of one of those sub-munitions.

It is also possible that said damage could have resulted in an electrical short in whatever remained of the vehicles electrical system, or damaged spare camera batteries stored in the vehicle.

It is also possible that the Pallywood producers who, after the fact, clearly posed the additional "victims" several hundred meters down the road could have set the vehicle on fire themselves for added effect.

If you point large black shoulder mounted objects at tanks in a combat zone, you should expect a severely shortened life span.

DUH,
R

"re: #197 Render

If you point large black shoulder mounted objects at tanks in a combat zone, you should expect a severely shortened life span.

DUH,
R

Well, there is an element of blame here. With the optics available, it should have been quite easy for the tank crew to not only read the word "PRESS" on his flak jacket but also to identify the camera being used as a camera. That's if they were deliberately targetting him. But, if they were gunning for a single man at that range I would have expected the crew to use the coax to hose him down. My bet is the crew were firing a flechette round to discourage any Palis trying to sneak up on the tank in the dip, our Reuters chimp was there to catch the "glory" of Hamas attacking the "Evil Jooooooo's" tank, and the chimp was just unlucky enough to be a shade too close. As to the burning car, I suspect that was Pallywood productions trying to make the most of the occasion (after all, they wouldn't want to have to add smoke in later with Photoshop, would they?).

Wilbur Post of The Blank Pages of The Age has the situation well summed up - [Link: theblankpagesoftheage.blogspot.com...]

Right down to his description of the Shifa Hospital which suggested it was flechette rounds from the IDF tank that caused the damage that killed Bambi the Cameraman:-

"This is not just a hospital, it's a place that gives a whole new meaning to the words "operating theatre" - one that makes it an integral part of a shonky PR exercise being waged against Israel!"

re: #193 jdun

It's fake. If the reporting is true then it is fake.

Picture One
Picture Two

If you look at the two pictures it is not done by flechettes shell. Flechettes shells contains hundreds or thousands of darts. If it is shot by a tank the car will have lots of holds in it. It will not set the car on fire. Flechettes rounds are not incendiary weapon. Notice the front end of the car is almost untouch. If you google there are some pictures where the front window is still intact.

The video below use pellets instead of flechettes but the result are the same.
Shotgun Tank Round - XM1028 120mm Canister Tank Cartridge

Second that.
The collection of photos show damage - but MORE damage appears over time. AT first glance, if one took the unburned vehicle photo out of the context and just looked at it, without knowing the narrative, it almost looks like the vehicle had been in a collision. It looked like the windshield was crunched IN by a larger mass than any damage a dart would do. And why is there a fire? - the engine seems to have been untouched - judging from that pristine hood. A dart punctured the fuel tank? Wouldn't that have exploded the vehicle? There's force, mass and friction - no explosive is necessary with combustable fuel.
The vehicle looks like it was hit predominately from one side. The hood is practically untouched, and given that the vehicle is in a sheltered area - embankments on both sides - especially high on the side facing the car side that is caved in, so how did it get crunched at that angle? If flechettes were used, "raining" down on it? No holes in the hood, but the roof is gonzo and the driver's door is smashed in? What? These things fly sideways, through dirt?
Surprised they haven't paraded around the darts to pose them with the body ... since that's the charge they are voicing to make the Israelis look mean.
They obviously got hammered, but by what though? And what were they doing in that peculiar spot? If the truth is suffiicent, why lie? Ahem.

The cameraman, Fadel Shana, who was killed has the same name as the cameraman who was lightly wounded back on August 26, 2006 when the 'IAF missile struck the Reuters armored car.'

8/26/06: Fadel Shana, a Reuters cameraman, was lightly wounded in the blast.

Lucky the first time, not the second. Why put yourself into such precarious positions repeatedly?

re: #191 markie

Looked like an airburst/beehive type round....nasty.

Obviously the first close shave didn't dissuade him.
Exceptional dedication. To something.

Oops! My bad, you already said it.