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Obama's Official Blogger: A Hardcore Marxist

Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 8:45:59 am PDT

Barack Obama’s “official campaign blogger,” Sam Graham-Felsen, is a hardcore Marxist—and even leftists like this are disturbed by his presence on the campaign staff: Sam Graham-Felsen stands for what?

UPDATE at 4/23/08 10:28:55 am:

Here’s an article by Sam Graham-Felsen at the Harvard Crimson, expressing his admiration for anti-American academic Noam Chomsky, and advising him to tone down the extreme rhetoric in order to trick the unwashed masses into following along: Chomsky’s Choice.

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1 bosforus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:46:51am

Why can't I just be a Marxist?

2 Shug  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:47:20am

Quick, somebody get senator Obama a waffle

3 mike volpe  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:48:36am

Well then, this is more proof that my hypothesis was right. Check out my hypothesis here.

The thing about Marxism is with the right salesperson it sounds fairly attractive if you aren't all that sophisticated on economic matters.

4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:49:16am

I wonder how many will leave Obama because of this. They have nothing to loose but their change.

5 Eagle  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:49:16am

OT but important:

Support Free Speech ... buy Mark Steyn's book Today!

6 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:49:21am
And exactly what is a Democratic candidate doing with a staffer who acts as the campaign's public face when the staffer is featured in a Marxist publications?

Having waffles?

7 Shug  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:49:23am
"Socialism is the prerequisite for the next stage in human development that will end class oppression and exploitation for all time,"

yes, if the next stage in human development is extinction.

8 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:49:24am

Is anyone suprised by this?

/Obammunism IS the Hopium of the Asses!

He makes Hilary that stone cold Marxist look downright conservative...

doesn't he?

Do you start to see it yet?

9 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:49:55am

MCCARTHYISM! (etc.)

10 zmdavid  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:49:55am

If I were a hardcore Marxist, I'd support Obama too.

11 Big Steve  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:49:56am

But wasn't Obama's grandmother also afraid of Marxists as well?

12 yochanan  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:50:36am

off topic

[Link: www1.wsvn.com...]
anti semitic attack in miami

13 pat  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:51:32am

Obama has attracted a most unattractive following.

14 Da Coyote  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:51:40am

Fits Obama. No new ideas. The old ones are complete, utter failures. Obama is the Vista of politics.

15 laZardo  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:51:43am

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I wonder how many will leave Obama because of this. They have nothing to loose but their change.

Screw them!

16 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:51:58am

Well, this will give typical white people yet another excuse to cover up the fact that they're really uncomfortable with Obama because of the color of his skin.

/NYT editors

17 Ornery Potlicker  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:52:49am

errrr, Obama must go...I'm starting to like Hillary ;p

18 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:52:56am

In Soviet Russia, waffle butters you!

19 coquimbojoe  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:53:13am

re: #1 bosforus

Why can't I just be a Marxist?

Because you like people and have no wish to see mass murder, fascism, poverty and destruction of civilization.

/Same reasons why you can't be an Islamofascist.

20 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:53:25am

re: #9 Occasional Reader

MCCARTHYISM! (etc.)

Why can't he be here when we need him...

21 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:53:35am

re: #3 mike volpe

Well then, this is more proof that my hypothesis was right. Check out my hypothesis here.

The thing about Marxism is with the right salesperson it sounds fairly attractive if you aren't all that sophisticated on economic matters.

The pretty much describes the Democrats. Economic ignoramuses.

22 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:53:50am

re: #1 bosforus

Why can't I just be a Marxist?

Because syrup won't stick to you?

23 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:54:14am

Well, Obama's a Marxist; he just hides it better.

REVOLUTION! CHANGE!

24 The Other Les  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:54:16am

These folks refuse to understand that the Stone Age is over.

25 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:54:20am

B. Hussein's entire history tells me his a Marxists. This is just further confirmation.

26 Atweber  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:54:37am

I'm shocked shocked to find out there are commies on Osama bin Borax's staff!

27 debutaunt  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:54:37am

re: #11 Big Steve

But wasn't Obama's grandmother also afraid of Marxists as well?

TWM.

28 The Other Les  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:54:38am

re: #18 Occasional Reader

In Soviet Russia, waffle butters you!

Yow!

29 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:54:46am

Gee, I wondered why The Internationale was the site's background music.

/

30 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:55:34am

All leftists are Marxists, it's just that you're not supposed to say it outloud.

31 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:55:55am

re: #13 pat

Obama has attracted a most unattractive following.

You attract what you project. He provides easy, feel-good slogans for the simpletons to consume- and they like it!

/must be the syrup.

32 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:56:01am

Just let me eat my waffle, imperialist lackey!

33 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:56:03am

re: #14 Da Coyote

Nah, he is way too thin to be Vista. Jimmy Carter's ego, now that is Vista.

34 Shug  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:56:10am

The Audacity of Karl

35 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:56:36am

"We are building [Marx's] religion,
We are building it bigger,
We are widening the corridors,
We are adding more lanes."
-Cake

36 Spiny Norman  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:56:47am

I just wanted to say that I'm shocked, SHOCKED! I say, that the Obamessiah would have unapologetic Marxists on his staff.

Actually, the Ché flag in the Texas campaign office was a dead giveaway.

37 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:57:26am

re: #11 Big Steve

But wasn't Obama's grandmother also afraid of Marxists as well?

But Barack's always been very kind and gentle in his portrayals of her.

38 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:57:32am

re: #13 pat

Obama has attracted a most unattractive following.

Which, in theory, would make him the preferred candidate from the Republican perspective. Lots of skeletons still to come out of that closet. But I still am too risk-averse to go for that strategy. So... go, Hillary! Until November. Then, sink in defeat. Thanks.

39 BGB!  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:57:41am

re: #18 Occasional Reader

In Soviet Russia, waffle butters you!


Yikes :o

40 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:57:52am

Obama must be the hopiate of the masses.

41 formercorpsman  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:58:02am

You guys keep making waffle jokes.

Damn I wish I knew how to get this power point made in to a video.

42 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:58:26am

re: #40 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obama must be the hopiate of the masses.

You owe royalties to BabbaZee, ya know.

43 laZardo  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:58:29am

re: #18 Occasional Reader

And just when I got over the previous penis thread.

44 Dad O' Blondes  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:58:31am

This kid sounds like a spoiled brat.

.

45 bryantms  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:58:45am

re: #2 Shug

Quick, somebody get senator Obama a waffle

That is awesome! I love that...haha...

46 zmdavid  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:58:47am

Will we soon be living in the People's Republic of America?

47 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:58:59am

re: #2 Shug

Quick, somebody get senator Obama a waffle

Hey Comrade. Get us all a waffle. You may, however, allow Senator Obama's waffle to be more of a waffle than the rest of ours. /

48 chinesearithmetic  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:59:00am

Not to worry, he's just the advisor on sickle-down economics.

49 Spiny Norman  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:59:00am

re: #30 Ringo the Gringo

All leftists are Marxists, it's just that you're not supposed to say it outloud.

"Progressives" = Bolsheviks with the serial numbers filed off.

That little phrase fits so many situations, it's amazing.

50 laZardo  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:59:21am

re: #42 Occasional Reader

Speaking-a-which...and this is related to the thread...

COMMISLAMIST GRAMSCIAN WHORE OF THE CALIPHATE!

51 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:59:21am
Sam Graham-Felsen was a student at Harvard.

There is a problem in American academia. They are turning out dumbed-down failures.

52 itellu3times  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:59:34am

Fogit waffle-boi and his blogster, Rush is going to just burn up the airwaves in a few minutes regarding the outrageous success of Operation Chaos yesterday.

53 JustMyView  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:59:35am

It gets worse. His mail carrier is a communist, his dry cleaner is opposed to water fluordation, and his auto mechanic was once stopped for running a red light. Where will this stop?!?

54 Izzy Dunne  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:59:50am

re: #32 Ward Cleaver

Just let me eat my waffle, imperialist lackey!

Whatever happened to "imperialist running dog"?


Or is that only Korean / Chinese?

/can't keep up.

55 bosforus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:59:59am

re: #19 coquimbojoe

Because you like people and have no wish to see mass murder, fascism, poverty and destruction of civilization.

/Same reasons why you can't be an Islamofascist.

We'll see about that.

re: #22 MandyManners

Because syrup won't stick to you?

We'll see about that one too...

56 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:00:08am

re: #46 zmdavid

Will we soon be living in the People's Republic of America?


If Obama wins ---"People's Republic of America".
If Hillary or McCain win---"New Europe".

57 Shug  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:00:29am

re: #47 lawhawk

Hey Comrade. Get us all a waffle. You may, however, allow Senator Obama's waffle to be more of a waffle than the rest of ours. /

In animal farm, some waffles are more equal than others

58 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:00:49am

re: #48 chinesearithmetic

Not to worry, he's just the advisor on sickle-down economics.

Go ahead, beat around the Bush.

59 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:00:57am

re: #53 JustMyView

It gets worse. His mail carrier is a communist, his dry cleaner is opposed to water fluordation, and his auto mechanic was once stopped for running a red light. Where will this stop?!?

Sure, this is all pure coincidence. I mean, we ALL have paid "spiritual advisors" who believe that 9/11 was a just punishment on a fundamentally evil AmeriKKKa, right? It could happen to anyone.

60 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:01:17am

Let's beat him with his own hammer and sickle

61 coquimbojoe  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:01:22am

re: #30 Ringo the Gringo

All leftists are Marxists, it's just that you're not supposed to say it outloud.

"Progressives" = Bolsheviks with the serial numbers filed off.

That little phrase fits so many situations, it's amazing.

Read the second link to see how true that statement is. Sam tel Moam Chompsky to tone it down to basically trick people..... He is a vile child.

62 jaunte  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:01:32am

"If you're fed up with the old politics and ready for something new, please make a donation."

Same old gimme.

63 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:02:03am

re: #61 coquimbojoe

"Progressives" = Bolsheviks with the serial numbers filed off.


I am SO stealing that.

Brilliant.

64 bryantms  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:02:07am

re: #53 JustMyView

It's one thing to know of these people, it's another to have them work for you or with you and to give them money and be working towards the same cause when they take such radical stances.

65 VegasRick  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:02:22am

re: #53 JustMyView

It gets worse. His mail carrier is a communist, his dry cleaner is opposed to water fluordation, and his auto mechanic was once stopped for running a red light. Where will this stop?!?

You are okay with the people that he has surrounded himself with?

66 jaunte  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:02:41am

re: #61 coquimbojoe

I had to laugh at the idea of someone telling Noam Chomsky to lie.

67 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:03:03am

re: #53 JustMyView

It gets worse. His mail carrier is a communist, his dry cleaner is opposed to water fluordation, and his auto mechanic was once stopped for running a red light. Where will this stop?!?

Haha. But not really- I'm just trying to amuse you.

In all seriousness- obama's main influences in life are all hardcore America haters. His wife, his minister, and his political advisers. You don't see a trend here, or have a problem with that?

68 Ojoe  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:03:10am

Man this fawing after Obama and the hope that Government can fix everything begins to look like it is against the 1st commandment, the more I look.

69 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:03:14am

If you hold a "materialist conception of history" then you have a Marxist view of the the world, regardless of whether or not you've ever read Das Kapital.

Obama and Hillary are both Marxists.

70 Charles  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:03:22am

re: #53 JustMyView

It gets worse. His mail carrier is a communist, his dry cleaner is opposed to water fluordation, and his auto mechanic was once stopped for running a red light. Where will this stop?!?

Careful - you're going to hurt yourself shilling so hard.

71 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:03:23am

re: #54 Izzy Dunne

Whatever happened to "imperialist running dog"?


Or is that only Korean / Chinese?

/can't keep up.

That's the one I was trying to think of.

72 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:03:32am

Oh please with the Just My View crap.

73 formercorpsman  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:03:40am

re: #53 JustMyView

Busted JMV.

Take a lesson.

When there was even a hint of Charles, and other bloggers who might have minor proximity in anti-terror circles, to folks with supremacist ties, it was full disclosure, and massive retort.

Your all wet.

74 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:03:47am

re: #65 VegasRick

You are okay with the people that he has surrounded himself with?

Why of course he is!

75 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:03:57am

re: #40 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obama must be the hopiate of the dumbmasses.

Fixed.

76 Ornery Potlicker  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:04:01am

The Obama Waffle:

1 cup hopium flour
1/2 cup water changed to whine
1 T snake oil
1 t bitter

mix well until clingy

77 The Other Les  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:04:09am

re: #29 Ward Cleaver

Gee, I wondered why The Internationale was the site's background music.

/

Arise, ye children of the trust fund!
Arise, ye parasites!
Go forth and plunder the productive
And slaughter the innocent!

78 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:04:30am

re: #68 Ojoe

Man this fawing after Obama and the hope that Government can fix everything begins to look like it is against the 1st commandment, the more I look.

#1 Thou shalt not call yourself an American and profess Marxism.

79 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:04:41am

re: #76 Ornery Potlicker

The Obama Waffle:

1 cup hopium flour
1/2 cup water changed to whine
1 T snake oil
1 t bitter

mix well until clingy

80 VegasRick  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:05:01am

re: #74 Ward Cleaver

Why of course he is!

Why does it not defend it's position.

81 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:05:04am

re: #53 JustMyView

It gets worse. His mail carrier is a communist, his dry cleaner is opposed to water fluordation, and his auto mechanic was once stopped for running a red light. Where will this stop?!?

WAB, is that you?

82 Maximu§  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:05:19am

re: #44 Dad O' Blondes

This kid sounds like a spoiled brat.

.

Thats exactly what I was thinking.....most Marxists come from well-to-do families that would march us Lizards into the "showers" if they had 1/2 a chance.

83 coquimbojoe  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:05:44am

re: #66 jaunte

I had to laugh at the idea of someone telling Noam Chomsky to lie.

Chompsky doesn't lie. Is that what you were implying? Making things up to fit your world view is completely different!

/

84 Cartman  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:06:08am
The human being is in the most literal sense a political animal, not merely a gregarious animal, but an animal which can individuate itself only in the midst of society.

- Karl Marx

85 coquimbojoe  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:06:36am

re: #76 Ornery Potlicker

The Obama Waffle:

1 cup hopium flour
1/2 cup water changed to whine
1 T snake oil
1 t bitter

mix well until clingy

Nice! Does the red light on the waffle maker going on or off mean its done?

86 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:06:43am

re: #53 JustMyView

It gets worse. His mail carrier is a communist, his dry cleaner is opposed to water fluordation, and his auto mechanic was once stopped for running a red light. Where will this stop?!?

His father.
His political mentor.
His pastor.
His staff.
His wife.
His rhetoric.
His policies.

Marxist all in word and deed.

87 Terp Mole  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:06:48am

A selection of Sam's work @ the Harvard Crimson;

Chomsky's Choice

Sam Graham-Felsen ’03-’04 is a social studies concentrator, affiliated with Quincy House.

88 Cartman  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:07:10am
The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism.

- Karl Marx

89 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:07:10am

Uncle Chom!

90 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:07:35am

i do not like your questions,
i will not have another debate.
why won't you let me finish this waffle,
that i have here on my plate?

Sam I am Obama

91 VegasRick  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:07:35am

re: #84 Cartman

- Karl Marx

I am an idiot.
- JustMyView

92 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:07:51am

A shilling or a pound, it still weighs the same.

93 Cygnus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:07:52am

re: #76 Ornery Potlicker

The Obama Waffle:

1 cup hopium flour
1/2 cup water changed to whine
1 T snake oil
1 t bitter

mix well until clingy

Eat when half-baked. Take the Red Phone off the hook while eating.

94 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:08:08am

re: #91 VegasRick

[BLINK]

95 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:08:30am

re: #87 Terp Mole

A selection of Sam's work @ the Harvard Crimson;

Poor tormented soul, iPod guilt.

96 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:08:33am

re: #84 Cartman

- Karl Marx

“How can you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin.”
Ronald Reagan

97 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:08:34am

Priateli i komradi, za tezi koito ne me posnavat, kasvam ce Oh no...Sand People!.
Sus bulk u skurb vi kazvam che vseki edin ot vas triabva da oochete ezik ot balkanite ili mauka russia. Triabva do budete gotof za Prezident Obama.

/ Just practicing in case Obama wins.

98 BGOH  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:08:35am

That's just how white people will do you.

Throw the blogger under grandma's bus!

99 alegrias  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:08:38am

Trotskyites--no joke!--is what McCain "fondly" called the reporters who rode on his Straight Talk Express, eating his free American donuts & American-style coffee!

McCain took 5.5 years of beatings from Communists, with kudos from 1960s liberals who visited North Vietnam to aid & abet (and deny) the beatings, torture & murder of US POWs.

Marxists, Trotskyites, 1960s radicals--just another Sunday service at Rev. Wright's.

100 bosforus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:08:41am

JustMyView is probably the most amateur wanna-be

101 formercorpsman  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:08:47am

Charles, I am not sure you would like to entertain this or not.

I worked really hard on a power point video last night, trying to get timing to music, etc.

Not being a major techno-file, my ability is limited to have this posted for folks to see.

I put a number of hours in to it, and I am sure it may be sophomoric to many more capable than myself, but I think it's pretty good.

Even some input. I have tried some of the suggestions from last night, but I just can't seem to get it to come to fruition.

I understand if you would prefer not to.

102 Colonel Panik  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:08:51am

Here's a little music to start the day for those of us clinging to guns and religion: Praise The Lord And Pass The Ammunition - Performed by Kay Kyser and his Orchestra, 1943

103 bosforus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:09:03am

re: #100 bosforus

sentence to be continued

104 VegasRick  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:09:05am

re: #94 BabbaZee

[BLINK]

Nice.

105 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:09:35am

re: #96 Bob in Breckenridge

“How can you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin.”
Ronald Reagan

Hey, you stole that from my user profile!

Oh wait, I stole it from RWR ;-)

106 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:09:37am

re: #53 JustMyView

It gets worse. His mail carrier is a communist, his dry cleaner is opposed to water fluordation, and his auto mechanic was once stopped for running a red light. Where will this stop?!?

Here's the problem - summed up in a nice tidy bowl for you.

Obama grew up surrounding himself with leftists, marxists, socialists, communists, and anti-American terrorists (to say nothing of Tony Rezko and his criminal ways). He's never separated himself from them and their ilk, and they continue to stick around, even after the media finally gets a whiff of what's really going on.

Bill Ayers? Weather Underground terrorist - financier for Obama fundraiser.
Bernadine Doern - Weather Underground terrorist. Ditto.

Saul Alinsky ring any bells?

Jeremiah Wright - racist pastor for Obama and his family for 20 plus years, and yet he can't recall hearing anything racist? Selective hearing on Obama's part - because Oprah was a member of the same church and left when she got uncomfortable with the message.

We've seen that his staffers all over the country have no problem cheering for the likes of Che (pasting them to the walls of his campaign offices), so it was only a matter of time before we'd find that his upper echelon of advisers and workers are Marxists, socialists, and red-diaper babies (waaaahambulance not included).

Heck, we've repeatedly seen and noticed that Obama campaign literature looks like its been lifted from 1950s Soviet style propaganda. There's a reason for that - he's got hope and change in mind, and I'm sure if he thought long enough, there'd be a five year plan involved too.

107 alegrias  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:09:46am

re: #36 Spiny Norman

I just wanted to say that I'm shocked, SHOCKED! I say, that the Obamessiah would have unapologetic Marxists on his staff.

Actually, the Ché flag in the Texas campaign office was a dead giveaway.

* * *
We're connecting the dots, one communista marxista socialista terrorista at a time.

108 yochanan  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:10:06am

re: #83 coquimbojoe

Chompsky doesn't lie. Is that what you were implying? Making things up to fit your world view is completely different!

/

noam chomsky believes in his crap and thinks it doesn't smell.

109 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:10:30am

re: #82 Maximu§

Thats exactly what I was thinking.....most Marxists come from well-to-do families that would march us Lizards into the "showers" if they had 1/2 a chance.

I think they grow up having everything handed to them, that they think that's how the real world works. Everything for free, and it costs society nothing.
And college, where they should learn reality, is full of Marxists, so they just get reinforced, with their majors in frat parties, etc.

110 The Other Les  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:10:43am

re: #88 Cartman

The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism my will.

Karl MarxAny Barbarian


Fixed it.

111 MandyManners  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:10:48am

Later. I'm being oppressed by my house.

112 Terp Mole  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:11:00am

For those who enjoy putting a face on the smug persona.

113 bosforus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:11:01am

JustMyView is probably the most amateur wanna-be fake lizard I've ever seen. His/her desire to claim "neutral" opinions is overpowered by his/her desire to sarcastically make fun of our seemingly incredulous beliefs and opinions.

114 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:11:03am

re: #105 jcm

Hey, you stole that from my user profile!

Oh wait, I stole it from RWR ;-)

Actually, you're right, lol. So sorry.

/Please note: I stole that from jcm who stole it from RWR.

115 Cygnus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:11:19am

re: #111 MandyManners

Later. I'm being oppressed by my house.

By your cat or by your kid?

116 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:11:33am

re: #106 lawhawk

Here's the problem - summed up in a nice tidy bowl for you.

Obama grew up surrounding himself with leftists, marxists, socialists, communists, and anti-American terrorists (to say nothing of Tony Rezko and his criminal ways). He's never separated himself from them and their ilk, and they continue to stick around, even after the media finally gets a whiff of what's really going on.

Bill Ayers? Weather Underground terrorist - financier for Obama fundraiser.
Bernadine Doern - Weather Underground terrorist. Ditto.

Saul Alinsky ring any bells?

Jeremiah Wright - racist pastor for Obama and his family for 20 plus years, and yet he can't recall hearing anything racist? Selective hearing on Obama's part - because Oprah was a member of the same church and left when she got uncomfortable with the message.

We've seen that his staffers all over the country have no problem cheering for the likes of Che (pasting them to the walls of his campaign offices), so it was only a matter of time before we'd find that his upper echelon of advisers and workers are Marxists, socialists, and red-diaper babies (waaaahambulance not included).

Heck, we've repeatedly seen and noticed that Obama campaign literature looks like its been lifted from 1950s Soviet style propaganda. There's a reason for that - he's got hope and change in mind, and I'm sure if he thought long enough, there'd be a five year plan involved too.

'Tis one thing to be tempted, another thing to fall.' -Shakespeare

117 stevieray  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:11:38am

A repost from last night:

Slowly the dots get connected... one by one... the cypher gains form and substance.

118 VegasRick  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:12:17am

re: #113 bosforus

JustMyView is probably the most amateur wanna-be fake lizard I've ever seen. His/her desire to claim "neutral" opinions is overpowered by his/her desire to sarcastically make fun of our seemingly incredulous beliefs and opinions.

It has no balls either. (and I think it's male)

119 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:12:25am

re: #53 JustMyView

It gets worse. His mail carrier is a communist, his dry cleaner is opposed to water fluordation, and his auto mechanic was once stopped for running a red light. Where will this stop?!?

If Obama came out and said he wanted to continue Hitler's work of destruction of the Jews, and also destroy everyone not named Obama, you'd still support him.

If Obama took off his mask and it was discovered that he was an alien cockroach here to enslave humanity, you'd still support him.

If Obama grew horns and renamed himself Antie Christ, and called for the death of everyone christian, you'd still support him.

In fact, the only way I see you NOT supporting Obama is if he becomes a conservative.

Your blind coddling of socislists like Obama is why babies cry.

120 Cygnus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:12:26am

re: #115 Cygnus

By your cat or by your kid?

Misread your post. Never mind.

121 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:12:43am

re: #113 bosforus

JustMyView is probably the most amateur wanna-be fake lizard I've ever seen. His/her desire to claim "neutral" opinions is overpowered by his/her desire to sarcastically make fun of our seemingly incredulous beliefs and opinions.

He's just another crappy garden-variety troll.

122 Rancher  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:13:10am

450,000 Google hits for Operation Chaos.

123 laZardo  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:13:24am

re: #51 Kreuzueber Halbmond

I'm really hoping that it's only the loud minority you're talking about...I'm hoping to go back to the States to finish my education (Industrial Design major) and I'd really like my degree to be worth something...

124 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:13:29am

re: #112 Terp Mole

For those who enjoy putting a face on the smug persona.

Oh, look, he's wearing a baseball cap. So he's just, you know, a regular guy, and we can trust him. Why, I beat he eats waffles at diners and that sort of thing. Probably bowls, too.

125 wolfie  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:13:49am

re: #77 The Other Les

Arise, ye children of the trust fund!
Arise, ye parasites!
Go forth and plunder the productive
And slaughter the innocent!

Love your update of the lyrics!

126 Maximu§  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:13:49am

re: #111 MandyManners

Later. I'm being oppressed by my house.

I'm being oppressed by my job.....time for the Workers Socialist People's Party to rise up and take down the Oppressors!

Doh....who's going to sign my check?

127 itellu3times  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:14:02am

CINCUSOC is on the air.

128 IgofAntioch  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:14:03am

I still maintain that exposing his children to Rev Wright was child abuse, but Marxist and Terrorists really don't care.

129 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:14:12am

I find it interesting how democrats rant about Operation Chaos, given that is how they pushed for the most liberal republicans during OUR primaries.

130 jaunte  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:14:26am

re: #124 Occasional Reader

I think he was beaten up in the schoolyard for having a hyphen.

131 pat  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:14:29am

re: #121 Ward Cleaver

That's just your view

132 zmdavid  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:14:34am

re: #9 Occasional Reader

MCCARTHYISM! (etc.)


The sad thing is that McCain and the Republicans will never pursue this because they are afraid of being accused of McCarthyism.

133 laZardo  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:14:38am

re: #113 bosforus

I'm surprised I haven't been railroaded out of here myself. I didn't think there'd be other atheists on this forum unless Killgore Trout was actually Chris Hitchens himself.

134 VegasRick  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:14:44am

re: #124 Occasional Reader

Oh, look, he's wearing a baseball cap. So he's just, you know, a regular guy, and we can trust him. Why, I beat he eats waffles at diners and that sort of thing. Probably bowls, too.

Red Sox hat!. He really is a commie!
/hiding under my desk

135 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:14:49am

re: #114 Bob in Breckenridge

Actually, you're right, lol. So sorry.

/Please note: I stole that from jcm who stole it from RWR.

ROFL!

136 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:14:53am

Just My Rear View.

/mock mode

137 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:14:57am

re: #122 Rancher

450,000 Google hits for Operation Chaos.

/Knowing Google the was we all do, the REAL number is probably more like 4.5 million.

138 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:15:07am

re: #102 Colonel Panik

Here's a little music to start the day for those of us clinging to guns and religion: Praise The Lord And Pass The Ammunition - Performed by Kay Kyser and his Orchestra, 1943

There aren't many Kay Kyser's bands in modern America. Just wait until the fireworks fly next Tuesday in the Glenn Miller Ballroom.

139 bosforus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:15:08am

re: #118 VegasRick

It has no balls either. (and I think it's male)

I'll wait until he/she feels like admitting to it to believe that.

140 wolfie  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:15:38am

re: #86 jcm

His father.
His political mentor.
His pastor.
His staff.
His wife.
His rhetoric.
His policies.

Marxist all in word and deed.

You forgot his mother, a self-professed Marxist.

141 BrianA  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:15:42am

The socialists/marxist are just stuck on stupid. I mean it's worked so well in the past.

/sarc

142 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:15:48am

re: #129 LanceKates

I find it interesting how democrats rant about Operation Chaos, given that is how they pushed for the most liberal republicans during OUR primaries.

Exactly! They chose our candidate; why should they complain when we choose theirs?

143 SouthAmericanWay  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:16:05am

Another sign that Obama IS the Manchurian Candidate...

America, beware!

144 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:16:16am

Don't forget that Obama's advisers are largely made of Carter administration leftie-overs.

145 Macker  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:16:48am

re: #63 Occasional Reader

I prefer the term DFC myself...

Dirty
Fuckin'
Communist!

146 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:16:57am

re: #140 wolfie

You forgot his mother, a self-professed Marxist.

Thanks!

147 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:17:01am

re: #137 Bob in Breckenridge

/Knowing Google the was we all do, the REAL number is probably more like 4.5 million.

PIMF- the "way" we do, not "was"

148 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:17:02am

re: #141 BrianA

The socialists/marxist are just stuck on stupid. I mean it's worked so well in the past.

/sarc

Let's give em a STATE er...a NATION!

149 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:17:20am

re: #133 laZardo

well surprise surprise surprise

we who follow GOD actually DO practice tolerance
rather than abuse the word to fuck with everyone who does not agree with us

what a shocka that musta been to you!

;~}

150 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:17:29am

re: #126 Maximu§

I'm being oppressed by my job.....time for the Workers Socialist People's Party to rise up and take down the Oppressors!

Doh....who's going to sign my check?

What check?

151 Cartman  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:17:29am

re: #132 zmdavid

The sad thing is that McCain and the Republicans will never pursue this because they are afraid of being accused of McCarthyism.

It's unbelievable fortune for McCain that he's basically been given a front row seat and some popcorn for watching the Donks implode. So far, he's not had to utter nary a word.

152 Pyrocles  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:17:42am

But that academia is raising our children, and teaching them that Marxism is preferable to Capitalism. I graduated from college in '98, and even then with Clinton in office, Marxism was pounded into me in every class whether related to economics or not. The Marxists have the reigns.

re: #51 Kreuzueber Halbmond

There is a problem in American academia. They are turning out dumbed-down failures.

153 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:17:47am

re: #133 laZardo

I'm surprised I haven't been railroaded out of here myself. I didn't think there'd be other atheists on this forum unless Killgore Trout was actually Chris Hitchens himself.

We aren't obsessed with the size of your privates.

154 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:17:47am

re: #142 Fat Jolly Penguin

Exactly! They chose our candidate; why should they complain when we choose theirs?

Because they're hypocrites- it's one of their defining characteristics.

155 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:17:59am

re: #132 zmdavid

The sad thing is that McCain and the Republicans will never pursue this because they are afraid of being accused of McCarthyism.

Don't get me started on McCarthy....

LOL.

156 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:18:02am

re: #143 SouthAmericanWay

Another sign that Obama IS the Manchurian Candidate...

America, beware!

You're just being Manchuriphobic

157 Tumulus11  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:18:34am
Profile

Sam Graham-Felsen

Birth Date: May 18th
Issues: equality / civil rights; civil liberties / privacy; peace & social justice ....
// Obama '08 Official Blog

'But it's not just Obama's lack of plans that annoys me. What really annoys me is the attitude of his campaign towards his lack of plans. I think I first became really critical of Senator Obama after seeing his speech to the DNC Winter Meeting, when he ended by talking about how we've had enough plans, and we need more hope. And that attitude is continued in Sam's post: people who question Obama are cynics who lack the hope necessary to change America.'
// My DD.

'Shortly after joining the campaign, [Graham-Felsen] took offense publicly when someone dared to question Barack's lack of plans (MyDD). Why is it such a problem for Obama to reveal plans?'
// Common Ills.


. The plan was to reveal The Plan after the election.

It was decided that 'Change' was more saleable than 'Abolish All Private Property'.

158 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:18:36am

re: #142 Fat Jolly Penguin

Exactly! They chose our candidate; why should they complain when we choose theirs?

They're Democrats. it's what they do.

159 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:18:50am

re: #150 Ward Cleaver

What check?

The one from the Zionists, of course.

160 gman  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:18:54am

Hurry, comrades get your waffles while they're hot.
Just one, and no you don't get to choose toppings you arrogant imperialist

Comrades, come down with your ration cards today while supplies last

161 The Other Les  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:18:55am

re: #125 wolfie

Love your update of the lyrics!

I'm working on a screenplay for a movie set in the official Traveller (SF role playing game) universe and I wanted to do a flashback where a bunch officer candidates in the Imperial Navy were in a bar and singing a drinking song.

162 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:18:56am

re: #155 LanceKates

Don't get me started on McCarthy....

LOL.

What about Jenny McCarthy?

163 pat  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:18:57am

re: #129 LanceKates

I find it interesting how democrats rant about Operation Chaos, given that is how they pushed for the most liberal republicans during OUR primaries.

Actually GOPers who voted in PA yesterday said they were given a warm welcome by both the Dem poll watchers and staff. Afterall, if you suppoet Hillary there was a 60% chance that the GOPer would vote for her. One guy said he was asked outright who he was voting for. When he said Hillary the Dem polwatcher burst out laughing.

164 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:19:12am

re: #123 laZardo

A technical education will serve you well, just steer clear of the social studies area. Good luck to you.

165 Fasternu426  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:19:35am

Marxists for Obama '08

166 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:19:40am

Che-Change!

167 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:19:41am

re: #156 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You're just being Manchuriphobic

Speaking of which, while googling around for info about shooting techniques (which is subject for some open thread in the near future), I came across a word attributed to Jeff Cooper: hoplophobic, an irrational fear of weapons.

168 Rancher  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:19:50am

re: #129 LanceKates
Why in the hell do some GOP state parties let independents much less Democrats vote in OUR primary.

169 ethanxxx  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:19:51am

re: #151 Cartman

When your enemies are busy eating other... Pass the salt and excuse yourself from the table.

170 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:19:56am

re: #162 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Heh...

re: #163 pat

Why not vote for a Dem in PA.... you didn't have much of a choice for Republicans.

171 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:20:14am

re: #154 Sharmuta

Because they're hypocrites- it's one of their defining characteristics.

That was my point!

/how many dirty looks do you think I'll get if I wear my Operation Chaos T-shirt when I vote?

172 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:20:18am

Stealin yo Gramscian bukkit

173 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:20:34am

re: #168 Rancher

Why in the hell do some GOP state parties let independents much less Democrats vote in OUR primary.

Because the Republicans are more worried about winning than being conservative?

174 debutaunt  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:20:39am

re: #124 Occasional Reader

Oh, look, he's wearing a baseball cap. So he's just, you know, a regular guy, and we can trust him. Why, I beat he eats waffles at diners and that sort of thing. Probably bowls, too.

Bowling - the sport where the low score wins?

175 Sharmutah  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:20:45am

Like Brando's line in the Godfather while driving with Robert Duvall after the "peace" meeting: "Tattglia is a Pimp, he could never have outfought Santino. Barzini is the one calling the shots. .. Same thing for Obama. He could never have beat Hillary. Soros is the one calling all the shots.

176 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:20:51am

re: #12 yochanan

off topic

[Link: www1.wsvn.com...]
anti semitic attack in miami

Unfortunately, I think you're pretty much on topic.

177 Colonel Panik  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:20:53am

re: #144 Kosh's Shadow

Don't forget that Obama's advisers are largely made of Carter administration leftie-overs.

It's been said before but I'll say it again:

Bill Clinton- America's first black President
Barack Obama-America's first black Jimmy Carter

178 brent  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:20:57am

I caught a few minutes of college radio driving home yesterday, and I was sort of shocked by the hard core of the Obama base. First, I was surprised how completely they've thrown Hillary over the falls - I know I heard them say "blow Iran off the map" 3 times in 10 minutes.

Also, the only criticism of Obama that seems worthy to discuss is whether or not he flipped her the bird (they're sure he would never!). Mo mention of his plan to throw out Nafta (just kidding, Canada), no mention of the money from Rezko, no mention of his associations with unrepentant terrorists. I'm fairly sure there was also no mention of bombing Pakistan, but I was starting to seize up at this point...

There's just something about this kat that transcends all reason, at least in the under 30 crowd. Or 80, if you want to talk IQ...

179 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:21:07am

Looks like JMV crawled back under his rock.

180 Macker  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:21:09am

re: #161 The Other Les

I LOVE Traveller! I had a character once who got kidnapped by the Church of Elvis....the Imperial Navy spent quite a few credits to get him deprogrammed!

181 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:21:13am

And once again, we see the right-wing blogs repeating the Karl Rove neoconservative GOP talking points of the day.

/must I?

182 Cartman  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:21:24am

re: #133 laZardo

I'm surprised I haven't been railroaded out of here myself. I didn't think there'd be other atheists on this forum unless Killgore Trout was actually Chris Hitchens himself.

Sounds to me like being an atheist defines you, and all that you say and do. My apologies if I am off base.

183 The Other Les  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:21:28am

re: #160 gman

Hurry, comrades get your waffles while they're hot.
Just one, and no you don't get to choose toppings you arrogant imperialist

Comrades, come down with your ration cards today while supplies last

The daily waffle ration has increase from three waffles to two waffles.

184 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:21:35am

re: #166 Killgore Trout

Why the new avatar, Kilgore?

185 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:22:13am

re: #175 Sharmutah

I just want to apologize- I had no idea I was stealing your nic.

186 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:22:25am

re: #149 BabbaZee

well surprise surprise surprise

we who follow GOD actually DO practice tolerance
rather than abuse the word to fuck with everyone who does not agree with us

what a shocka that musta been to you!

;~}

unless, of course, the subject is evolution vs/ intelligent design....

187 Silhouette  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:22:30am

'Poor people clinging to religion' is just a paraphrase of 'religion is the opiate of the masses.'

Forget his associates, his role models, his mentors: Obama himself has a viewpoint that mirrors Marx.

188 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:23:06am

re: #184 Bob in Breckenridge

Why the new avatar, Kilgore?

He got religion!
/

189 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:23:24am

re: #186 redc1c4

unless, of course, the subject is evolution vs/ intelligent design....

STFU!

////

190 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:23:33am

re: #179 Ward Cleaver

Looks like JMV crawled back under his rock.

Now now, there are plenty of slimey gross and evil things that would be offended by that comparison.

191 bosforus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:23:39am

re: #185 Sharmuta

I just want to apologize- I had no idea I was stealing your nic.

Two Sharmuta's. This place is turning into a regular harem.

192 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:23:45am

re: #184 Bob in Breckenridge

Variety.

193 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:23:51am

re: #186 redc1c4

That tiresome Divide and Conquer is sponsored by Stan!

/You're soaking in it!

194 VegasRick  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:23:53am

re: #139 bosforus

I'll wait until he/she feels like admitting to it to believe that.

Really? My first post back to him/her was a simple question (not loaded) and I got no response. 30 or so other lizards responded as well with no response. I don't need Myth Busters to figure this one out. No balls.

195 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:23:54am
"The capitalist ruling class of the United States exercises a virtual dictatorship not only over American society, but also over the entire world. This capitalist class rule is the basic cause of the poverty, wars, and the degradation of the natural environment."

~Sam Graham-Felsen

Virtually everything in that quote is the exact opposite of reality.

196 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:24:01am

re: #33 Shr_Nfr

Nah, he is way too thin to be Vista. Jimmy Carter's ego, now that is Vista.

Al Gore is the Vista of politics.
He's big, but he makes up for it by being slow.

197 Sharmutah  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:24:07am

No big Dealre: #185 Sharmuta

198 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:24:26am

At least we know why Barry Waffles is the "post-racial" candidate: he is the class struggle candidate.

199 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:24:30am

re: #187 Silhouette

...thus the hopium of the asses

200 laZardo  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:24:31am

re: #182 Cartman

Not really, and no biggie. o_O I've actually been defined as more of an agnostic 'round here.

201 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:24:35am

re: #183 The Other Les

The daily waffle ration has increase from three waffles to two waffles.

Coming soon- the obama waffle special: half waffle, already partially eaten.

202 The Other Les  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:24:52am

re: #180 Macker

I LOVE Traveller! I had a character once who got kidnapped by the Church of Elvis....the Imperial Navy spent quite a few credits to get him deprogrammed!

Oh my... blue suede shoes definitely don't go with the uniform.

203 galloping granny  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:24:56am

This really is no surprise at all. I visited Boston last week and spent some time in Harvard Square. Among the stores we passed - one called The Proletariat. Marxist chic everywhere you looked, with a little very expensive pastry and arugula thrown into the mix. Harvard Law + "community organizing" should lead anyone with 1/2 of a functioning brain cell right straight to ------------------> communist fellow traveler.

204 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:24:57am
205 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:25:20am

re: #197 Sharmutah

Well- I like how you think re: the nic. ;)

206 Kenneth  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:25:22am

Obama's terrorist connections:

1. Nadhmi Auchi Iraqi Baath party member & Saddam crony, billionaire arms dealer. Obama attended a reception held by Tony Rezko in Auchi's honor.

2. William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, unrepentant Weathermen bombers. Obama served on boards with Ayers, considers him a friend.

3. Rev Jeremiah Wright: Obama's pastor, he once traveled to Libya with Louis Farrakhan to receive a "humanitarian award" from dictator & terrorist supporter, Muammar Qaddafi.

4. Hatem El-Hady: currently fundraiser for Obama campaign, former chairman of Kindhearts "charity", closed by the US government in February 2006 for terrorist fundraising and all its assets frozen. Kindhearts was an operation of the Holy Land Foundation (another "charity" closed for funding terrorists).

5. Mousa Abu Marzouk, as Hamas deputy political director, he acted as Jimmy Carter's host during his visit to Syria. Before he was convicted & deported from the US, Marzouk was a senior director of the Holy Land Foundation and a Hamas agent.

6. Gaza Palestinians campaign for Obama ...with Hamas' approval.

7. Carter hints at Obama endorsement While technically not a "terrorist connection", Carter's presence here does close an interesting circle.

My guess is we haven't seen all of it yet, either.

207 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:25:30am

re: #195 Ringo the Gringo

~Sam Graham-Felsen

Virtually everything in that quote is the exact opposite of reality.

That's some serious kool-aid.

208 bosforus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:25:41am

re: #194 VegasRick

Really? My first post back to him/her was a simple question (not loaded) and I got no response. 30 or so other lizards responded as well with no response. I don't need Myth Busters to figure this one out. No balls.

Ha ha, I meant to admitting that he/she is male.

209 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:25:58am

re: #184 Bob in Breckenridge
I wanted to do something with Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Maybe put a Mohammend bomb turban on her or put her head on Shiva's body. Still waiting to find something cool and blasphemous for her.

210 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:26:21am

re: #185 Sharmuta

I just want to apologize- I had no idea I was stealing your nic.

Don't worry sharm. We know the real deal when we see it.

211 VegasRick  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:26:29am

re: #208 bosforus

Ha ha, I meant to admitting that he/she is male.

Got it!

212 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:26:34am

re: #160 gman

Hurry, comrades get your waffles while they're hot.
Just one, and no you don't get to choose toppings you arrogant imperialist

Comrades, come down with your ration cards today while supplies last

Are there any Jews here? We don't have enough for you. Leave.

[ 6 hours later ]
We're out of waffles. Everyone go home.

(person in line) See- the Jews always get good treatment. They didn't have to wait for nothing.

213 Yankee Division Son  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:26:45am

I'm thinking of the More you Know.. the less you like Comrade Obama

214 Rancher  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:26:47am

re: #181 Who Watches the Watchmen?

/must I?


Yes, unless you want to stir up trouble. I don't /sarc myself.

/troublemaker

215 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:26:52am

re: #188 jcm

He got religion!
/

Now he is a giant lump of flesh.

/

216 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:27:18am

re: #185 Sharmuta

I don't think you need to apologize, Shar. You have almost 18K comments in 15 months compared to your "namesake"'s 27 in 4 years.

217 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:27:50am

re: #183 The Other Les

The daily waffle ration has increase from three waffles to two waffles.

The daily ration has ALWAYS been two waffles. Anyone declaring otherwise is a counter-revolutionary wrecker.

218 coquimbojoe  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:27:56am

re: #143 SouthAmericanWay

Another sign that Obama IS the Manchurian Candidate...

America, beware!

Where in So America are you?

219 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:28:20am

re: #188 jcm

He got religion!
/

?Well, his new avatar does resemble Buddha!

220 wolfie  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:28:21am

re: #161 The Other Les

LOL !

221 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:28:30am

re: #210 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Sharmutah was here first- I just didn't know and thought I'd say I meant no harm- that's all.

222 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:28:32am

re: #186 redc1c4

unless, of course, the subject is evolution vs/ intelligent design....

Hey, aren't you the government worker who referrs to the people who pay taxes to pay your salary as "Silly Villians" ?

Why, yes you are!

piss up a rope.

223 Roger  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:28:33am

re: #141 BrianA

They've been waiting for Kennedy.

"It hasn't worked in 6,000 years of recorded history because it didn't have me to run it." -- Kennedy
224 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:28:48am

re: #219 Bob in Breckenridge

PIMF-

/Well, his new avatar does resemble Buddha!
225 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:29:01am

re: #195 Ringo the Gringo

~Sam Graham-Felsen

Virtually everything in that quote is the exact opposite of reality.

Indeed, the only true words in it are "a", "the", "of", and "and".

226 gymnast  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:29:07am

When will the "serious" "Journalists" start questioning the candidates about the kind of people or actual persons the candidates will be seeking to appoint to high positions in their administration if elected? While Tony Resko is likely no longer viable as Obama's top choice for Sec of Health and Human Services, perhaps he has a spot for Bill Ayers at Defense or Dick Durban as Sec of State.
What would a Hillary Cabinet look like? She seems to have had a lot of influence in getting Janet Reno appointed, and it is likely that Jamie Goerelick would follow in her footsteps as AG. How does a former General Clark sound as Sec Def?

227 jcm  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:29:07am

Why HRC is staying in.

Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)**
BHO 14,973,720 47.4%
HRC 15,095,663 47.8%

Floor fight in Denver to set the FL and MI delegations.
WOOT this is getting good!

228 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:29:12am
229 BrianA  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:29:14am

Someone explain this to me:

Jews For Obama

230 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:29:29am

re: #152 Pyrocles

The Marxists have the reigns.

But the parents of college students hold the purse strings. They should demand better for what they are paying. Marxists without capital are nothing.

231 laZardo  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:29:34am

re: #149 BabbaZee

If I put my doublethink skills into action, I could blend right in with the moonbats as well. (: Unfortunately, I believe in what is known as "being true to oneself."

/gotta sleep now though, g'night!

232 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:29:49am

re: #231 laZardo

{LaZee} sleep well

233 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:30:07am

re: #216 Bob in Breckenridge

One might get the impression I talk a lot. Heehee.

234 VegasRick  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:30:18am

re: #229 BrianA

Someone explain this to me:

Jews For Obama

Mental Disorder.

235 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:30:27am

re: #219 Bob in Breckenridge

?Well, his new avatar does resemble Buddha!

I said yesterday it looks like Algore.

/it's the face

236 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:30:39am
237 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:30:49am

re: #219 Bob in Breckenridge

With Hitchens' face on it..

238 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:30:55am

re: #235 Fat Jolly Penguin

I said yesterday it looks like Algore.

/it's the face

Al Gore invented bhudda.

239 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:31:01am

re: #227 jcm

Why HRC is staying in.

Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)**
BHO 14,973,720 47.4%
HRC 15,095,663 47.8%

Floor fight in Denver to set the FL and MI delegations.
WOOT this is getting good!

Rush also just pointed that out, jcm, and said that John Edwards must be kicking himself in the ass right about now.

240 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:31:14am

re: #229 BrianA

Someone explain this to me:

Jews For Obama

Same cultish tendencies as Jews for Jesus?

241 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:31:16am

re: #238 LanceKates

Al Gore invented bhudda.

Nice!

242 Ma Sands  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:31:20am

Babba.....what are "Chabad" Jews?

243 formercorpsman  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:31:21am

re: #204 buzzsawmonkey

Buzz, I think you will like it.

244 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:31:40am

re: #203 galloping granny

This really is no surprise at all. I visited Boston last week and spent some time in Harvard Square. Among the stores we passed - one called The Proletariat. Marxist chic everywhere you looked, with a little very expensive pastry and arugula thrown into the mix. Harvard Law + "community organizing" should lead anyone with 1/2 of a functioning brain cell right straight to ------------------> communist fellow traveler.

There's a Marxist bookstore not to far away, too.
Hahvahad Square = Moonbat central.

245 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:31:59am

re: #229 BrianA

Someone explain this to me:

Jews For Obama

Two words: golden calf

246 Dad O' Blondes  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:32:21am

For more Obama Marxism, read through IBD 4/23 page A10.

Professor Lawrence Lessig.

Obama's Advisor on Technology and The Internet.

[Link: lessig.org...]

This should scare your pants off. He's an intellectual property piracy advocate.

.

247 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:32:22am

re: #96 Bob in Breckenridge

“How can you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin.”
Ronald Reagan


BRAVO!

248 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:32:27am

re: #242 Ma Sands

Babba.....what are "Chabad" Jews?

Chabad

249 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:32:55am

re: #233 Sharmuta

One might get the impression I talk a lot. Heehee.

LOL. When you disappeared for awhile I figgered it had to be carpal-tunnel. :)

250 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:32:59am

re: #230 Kreuzueber Halbmond

But the parents of college students hold the purse strings. They should demand better for what they are paying. Marxists without capital are nothing.

How do you get a Marxist off your porch?

Pay for the pizza.

251 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:32:59am

re: #245 Who Watches the Watchmen?

144,000 updings

252 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:33:01am

re: #224 Bob in Breckenridge

It's Hitchen's head on Buddha's body.

253 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:33:08am

re: #229 BrianA

Someone explain this to me:

Jews For Obama

Neturei Karta?
Hollywood?

That's the only groups that claim 'jewishness' and hate Israel that come to mind. I could be overlooking a few.

254 Silhouette  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:33:17am

They just don't get the irony of Communist...Store.

255 Rancher  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:33:25am

The waffle was on E-Bay for a bit but then was pulled. It got up to $20,000.

256 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:33:37am

re: #221 Sharmuta

Sharmutah was here first- I just didn't know and thought I'd say I meant no harm- that's all.

I had the concept of the piezo-electric butane lighter more than ten years before the first one arrived in the market. It doesn't make those who developed it any less sincere.

257 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:33:41am

re: #229 BrianA

Someone explain this to me:

Jews For Obama

Must be NKs.

258 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:34:22am

re: #250 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How do you get a Marxist off your porch?

Pay for the pizza.

Upding.

The version I heard was "How do you get a Marxist to shut up?"

"Tell them you don't want fries with your meal."

259 laZardo  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:34:30am

re: #229 BrianA

Let me explain...

260 Maximu§  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:34:45am

re: #234 VegasRick

Mental Disorder.

These are the same type of Jews that are telling Israel to dis-arm and let the friendly Palestinans in.

261 3 wood  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:35:20am

I suggest that if Mr. Graham-Felsen loves Marxism so much, that he lead the way by giving everything he possesses in the world away and agreeing to a 100% tax rate. That's what the goal of Marxism is, afterall.

And if JustMyView loves Obama so much, same for you.

262 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:35:23am

Chabadnik

263 Sol Roth  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:35:29am

re: #121 Ward Cleaver

He's just another crappy garden-variety troll.

Stalker too, IIRC. Ask Iron Fist.

264 Ma Sands  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:35:31am

re: #248 BabbaZee

Thank you......encountered the word in the description of the synagogue that got torched in Miami yesterday.....

265 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:36:14am
266 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:36:34am

re: #261 3 wood

Good call.

but inner party members aren't subject to the redistrobution of wealth.

They're too busy consolidating the redistrobuted wealth in their own coffers.

267 Ma Sands  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:36:39am

re: #265 buzzsawmonkey

I'll go find it....it's up in the spinoffs.....

268 Rancher  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:36:47am

re: #229 BrianA
Easy, they like Obama and the idea that we have come so far that we can elect a Black President. Same as the rest of his supporters. Same as the MSM.

269 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:36:56am

You know, I could have predicted that everyone is claiming victory after yesterday's Pennsylvania primary. In fact, I did. It also changes nothing going forward. We're watching the Democrats warily marching towards Denver as though they know that Sherman is lurking for them in the mountains above the city as they meet in closed session to figure out what to do about two candidates neither of whom will go away quietly.

Still, you'd think that all these connections to terrorists, communists, marxists, and hard leftists would begin to affect how voters think of Obama. They aren't - at least not in the primaries becuase enough of the core Democrats are red diaper babies themselves.

270 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:36:59am

re: #109 Kosh's Shadow

I think they grow up having everything handed to them, that they think that's how the real world works. Everything for free, and it costs society nothing.
And college, where they should learn reality, is full of Marxists, so they just get reinforced, with their majors in frat parties, etc.

Actually the leftists major in "____________ studies". Fill in the blank with the useless subject of your choice. The frat members are more likely to blow off the leftist crap, major in something real, graduate and get real jobs, and go out and become conservative voters.

271 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:37:30am

re: #265 buzzsawmonkey

Synagogue torched in Miami? Link?

[Link: www1.wsvn.com...]

272 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:37:43am

re: #265 buzzsawmonkey

[Link: www.firefightingnews.com...]

273 debutaunt  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:37:46am

re: #197 Sharmutah

No big Deal

We can hit the last sylable of your name - Shar-mu-TAH.

274 wolfie  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:39:08am

re: #225 Occasional Reader

Indeed, the only true words in it are "a", "the", "of", and "and".

And a good lawyer could "parse" those.

275 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:39:08am

re: #229 BrianA

Oh, Brian, please, please don't. It is too painful. I cannot bear it. And I just learned today that Bernardine Dohrn is Jewish.

I can't take it anymore.

But to answer your question -- why is anyone suicidal? Because they are mentally ill.

276 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:39:28am
277 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:39:31am
278 Maximu§  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:39:50am

Off to a 11:00 meeting Lizards , damn those Oppressors!

They will pay for their arrogance and greed when my "people" finally rise up and burn down the Waffle houses.

279 pat  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:39:57am

re: #233 Sharmuta

There is room for 2 trollops. :)

280 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:40:01am

re: #276 buzzsawmonkey

yes it is

281 Ma Sands  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:40:05am

Yeah....you guys all have better links than the one I saw.....thanks!

Chabad synagogue in Miami torched

282 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:40:25am

re: #270 Son of the Black Dog

Actually the leftists major in "____________ studies". Fill in the blank with the useless subject of your choice. The frat members are more likely to blow off the leftist crap, major in something real, graduate and get real jobs, and go out and become conservative voters.

My first go at college started as a business major, then moved to Youth Ministry with a minor that was a combination of business and theology (after all, churches aren't supposed to be like government... constantly in debt)

Then I left just short of graduation.... couldn't afford to finish and I couldn't get more loans.

Now I'm paying off the loans and paying out of pocket for college to get a degree in mathematics to teach high school math.

the students I was always the most cranky at in college were the ones that had it paid for them who blew off all of college.

What a waste of tens of thousands of dollars.

283 3 wood  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:40:58am

re: #266 LanceKates

but inner party members aren't subject to the redistrobution of wealth.

They're too busy consolidating the redistrobuted wealth in their own coffers.

That is a telltale indicator with Marxists. They think they can buy their way to nirvana by confiscating somebody else's assets.

But don't touch their stuff.

284 Silhouette  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:40:59am

re: #268 Rancher

Easy, they like Obama and the idea that we have come so far that we can elect a Black President. Same as the rest of his supporters. Same as the MSM.

If we're electing someone based on their race, we haven't come far.

Or rather, we're backsliding.

285 Sol Roth  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:41:05am

re: #152 Pyrocles

But that academia is raising our children, and teaching them that Marxism is preferable to Capitalism. I graduated from college in '98, and even then with Clinton in office, Marxism was pounded into me in every class whether related to economics or not. The Marxists have the reigns.

After the fall of the Soviet Union, I also noticed the resurgence of tolerance to Marxism in the non-sciences. It is the defining struggle of our generation.

286 Colonel Panik  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:41:14am

re: #18 Occasional Reader

In Soviet Russia, waffle butters you!

How can this be? In Soviet Russia, is no butter, except for nomenklatura.

287 Wisenheimer  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:42:43am

re: #97 Oh no...Sand People!

Ya ponimaiyu.

288 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:42:44am

re: #283 3 wood

That is a telltale indicator with Marxists. They think they can buy their way to nirvana by confiscating somebody else's assets.

But don't touch their stuff.

That's because, deep down, they DO understand the course of their actions, so they work hard to set up a system in which they are not subject to their laws.

Once that happens, they have no problems with any sort of oppression.

They also normally start with gun control..... oh wait... we're already working on that.... heh.

289 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:42:48am

JUSTMYVIEW

LOL, nice going fool. Man did you just step into it.

So what other great statements can you spout?

290 JustMyView  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:42:52am

re: #152 Pyrocles

But that academia is raising our children, and teaching them that Marxism is preferable to Capitalism. I graduated from college in '98, and even then with Clinton in office, Marxism was pounded into me in every class whether related to economics or not. The Marxists have the reigns.

Who has the spelling books?

291 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:43:02am

re: #263 Sol Roth

Stalker too, IIRC. Ask Iron Fist.

I think if JMV were to "stalk" IF into a biker bar one night, the results would be highly entertaining.

IF, if this happens, get video for YouTube... pretty please?

292 Sharmutah  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:43:19am

I realy don't care, but following your logic if somone uses my social security number for ten years, although I have had it for 40,years I guess that would be OK.re: #216 Bob in Breckenridge

I don't think you need to apologize, Shar. You have almost 18K comments in 15 months compared to your "namesake"'s 27 in 4 years.

293 3 wood  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:43:21am

re: #282 LanceKates

the most cranky at in college were the ones that had it paid for them who blew off all of college.

What a waste of tens of thousands of dollars.

Absoluetly.

I can tell within minutes in the first class session which of my students are paying for college themselves vs. Mom and Dad are writing a check.

294 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:43:31am

re: #159 Bob in Breckenridge

The one from the Zionists, of course.

My Zionist checks seem to always get lost in the mail.
However, I am living large off my VRWC stock dividends.

295 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:44:13am

re: #222 LanceKates

Hey, aren't you the government worker who referrs to the people who pay taxes to pay your salary as "Silly Villians" ?

Why, yes you are!

piss up a rope.

i'm a (supposed to be) retired National Guard member. assuming i ever get them to admit i completed 20 years of honorable service, i will start getting a (very) small check after i reach 60, which is more than a few years away. since i was "only" an M-day Soldier, i spent my weekends, vacation time, and a good portion of my physical health serving this country, and getting paid very little to do it. i also didn't qualify for any health care benefits, rations or housing payments, educational support or anything else that active duty types get as a matter of course. you obviously have me confused with some other form of government w*rker.

as for the term you object to, it's "sillyvillian" and refers to that subset of the populace who knows little or nothing about the arcane ways of the military and would rather pontificate from ignorance, rather than educate themselves as to the realities of life. it's too bad you feel the shoe fits you so well, but if you didn't make such a fuss, most folks would likely not notice.

296 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:44:14am

re: #291 Occasional Reader

I think if JMV were to "stalk" IF into a biker bar one night, the results would be highly entertaining.

IF, if this happens, get video for YouTube... pretty please?

Let them stalk me. Please

Not only could I use some change in my humdrum life, but I live in Oklahoma where I'm allowed to shoot them if they try to enter my home.

297 wolfie  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:44:15am

re: #230 Kreuzueber Halbmond

But the parents of college students hold the purse strings. They should demand better for what they are paying. Marxists without capital are nothing.

THAT is the problem. But I see very few parents who give a damn. All they want is for junior to get into the "best" school possible and to "succeed."

298 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:45:13am
299 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:45:18am

re: #292 Sharmutah

I realy don't care, but following your logic if somone uses my social security number for ten years, although I have had it for 40,years I guess that would be OK.

I don't really have a dog in the fight, but it seems to me that, uh, its the internet, they are not your real names, and it therefore isn't REALLY that important.

300 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:45:47am

re: #293 3 wood

How do you repress the urge to throw an eraser at them and tell them to adjust their attitude?

301 3 wood  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:46:35am

re: #288 LanceKates

That's because, deep down, they DO understand the course of their actions, so they work hard to set up a system in which they are not subject to their laws.

Once that happens, they have no problems with any sort of oppression.


Certainly. It's just an easier way for them to accumulate assets, by stealing it from others than by working for it.

Karl Marx was one of the laziest bums theres ever been. If you read his writings from the perspective of a lazy bum trying to figure out how to blame the world for his own shiftlessness and how to steal assets from others for himself, it fits.

302 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:47:21am

re: #290 JustMyView

Who has the spelling books?

That /g/ in "reins" was a secret message to you, JMV. It stands for "Go Fuck Yourself."

303 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:48:08am

re: #290 JustMyView

Who has the spelling books?

So, Pyrocles misspelled "reins". Your spelling, on the other hand, is perfect... in your posts in which you obtusely deny the evidence in front of your eyes.

Advantage: Pyrocles.

304 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:48:38am

re: #298 buzzsawmonkey

Tell him this is what the LORD Almighty says: 'Here is the man whose name is the Branch, and he will branch out from his place and build the temple of the LORD.
~ Zechariah 6:12

305 3 wood  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:49:24am

re: #300 LanceKates

How do you repress the urge to throw an eraser at them and tell them to adjust their attitude?

They generally screw up in class and get poor grades. It all comes out in the wash.

306 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:49:39am

re: #295 redc1c4

You'd prefer it if people didn't draw attention to your arrogant attitude towards the civilian population, I'm sure.

Which is why it should be brought to light.

Your wording and apparent attitude remind me of a Roads and Bridges engineer from Los Angeles who said in an interview that while the people (with a tone of disgust with the word people) elect mayors, HE runs the city, as unless he says so, no roads get repaired or built.

You do know that as a government employee of any level, you SERVE the people, right?

Your apparent attitude of disgust towards the "silly villians" that pay taxes for your pension does nothing but cause you to have less esteem and respect in the eyes of others.

Of course, what do I know? According to you I'm an idiot.

307 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:50:27am

JustMyView

LOL JMV is a great 'whack a troll'

308 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:50:38am

re: #301 3 wood

Pity I have a conscience.

WORKING for a living is a real pain in the butt.

By the way, when you get some distance learning classes going with one of those universities, and it doesn't cost a few grand to take, let me know. heh.

309 m  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:50:41am

re: #302 American Jewess In Jerusalem

Ha!

310 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:51:23am

re: #305 3 wood

They generally screw up in class and get poor grades. It all comes out in the wash.

Ahh, the ol' "just wait and let them screw themselves' ploy. One of my favorites as well.

311 Sol Roth  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:51:57am

re: #291 Occasional Reader

I think if JMV were to "stalk" IF into a biker bar one night, the results would be highly entertaining.

IF, if this happens, get video for YouTube... pretty please?

Hind behind internet, hide behind enforcement arm of Politburo, Leftists are all the same.

312 BabbaZee  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:52:09am
It is he who will build the temple of the LORD, and he will be clothed with majesty and will sit and rule on his throne. And he will be a priest on his throne. And there will be harmony between the two.
~ Zechariah 6:13

WLGF out

313 Sol Roth  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:53:13am

re: #290 JustMyView

Who has the spelling books?

The ones that use crayons of which you are so familiar?

314 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:55:10am
315 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:55:27am

re: #278 Maximu%uFFFD

Off to a 11:00 meeting Lizards , damn those Oppressors!

They will pay for their arrogance and greed when my "people" finally rise up and burn down the Waffle houses.

I've never seen an elitist or even someone who looked like a leftist in a Waffle House.

316 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:56:39am
317 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 9:58:06am
318 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:00:34am

re: #306 LanceKates

what pension? currently i'm not eligible for one because they have made an error in calculating my service. furthermore, the records they would normally consult have been destroyed per policy, since they decided a few years back to no longer retain them. the original discussion centered around military records, of which payroll records are an important part for reasons that don't exist in the outside world, such as cases like mine. i tried to explain this to someone, who wasn't interested in the differences, as apparently neither are you. he insisted that they should be destroyed ASAP under law, and the only reason to do that for military records is so you can reduce your total pension obligations by denying eligible persons their rightfully earned retirement under the guise of "no proof". that's a helluva way to treat your protectors.

your willful ignorance on this issue brands you an idiot, not my words.

319 flrdalynn  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:01:36am

Sorry to change the subject

[Link: www.spiegel.de...]

Thoughts please.

320 JustMyView  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:02:39am

Those of you who are so worried about Obama's blogger should go to the link Charles has provided and scroll down a bit to the article about how the Army has increased the number of people it has admitted under moral waivers in order to meet recruiting goals. I find that more troubling, both for what it says about how the military has been used and what it says about what might happen to it, than I find the musings of Obama's twenty-something website administrator, and I'd imagine quite a few senior military people feel the same way.

321 3 wood  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:03:20am

re: #308 LanceKates

By the way, when you get some distance learning classes going with one of those universities, and it doesn't cost a few grand to take, let me know. heh.

Sure, probably won't happen again for a while but I'll let you know.

I just told one College to go take a hike. They were asking me to teach an internet class with an inferior text that was actually teaching the students wrong stuff. I contacted the publisher and got them to admit to multiple errors. I told the Dept. Chair that the text was inferior and that our students derserved better. The Dept. Chair response was that they did not care, and to just deal with it.

So I told them I would not have my name connected with a College that used inferior text material and resigned effective with the end of this term.

But I've got others with standing offers for me to teach for them, so I'll let you know.

322 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:04:44am

re: #318 redc1c4

what pension? currently i'm not eligible for one because they have made an error in calculating my service. furthermore, the records they would normally consult have been destroyed per policy, since they decided a few years back to no longer retain them. the original discussion centered around military records, of which payroll records are an important part for reasons that don't exist in the outside world, such as cases like mine. i tried to explain this to someone, who wasn't interested in the differences, as apparently neither are you. he insisted that they should be destroyed ASAP under law, and the only reason to do that for military records is so you can reduce your total pension obligations by denying eligible persons their rightfully earned retirement under the guise of "no proof". that's a helluva way to treat your protectors.

your willful ignorance on this issue brands you an idiot, not my words.

You're still whining because you didn't keep your pay stubs.

I'm a "Silly Villian" idiot and I keep my pay stubs.

And my tax records.

While I do feel sorry for you being in the bind you are, lashing out at "sillyvillians" does not really garner much support for your cause.

323 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:05:28am

re: #320 JustMyView

Those of you who are so worried about Obama's blogger should go to the link Charles has provided and scroll down a bit to the article about how the Army has increased the number of people it has admitted under moral waivers in order to meet recruiting goals. I find that more troubling, both for what it says about how the military has been used and what it says about what might happen to it, than I find the musings of Obama's twenty-something website administrator, and I'd imagine quite a few senior military people feel the same way.

So rather than accept the rampant marxism of Obama and co., you're wanting to SHIFT the discussion to the evil things the militaryindustrialcomplex is doing.

*smirk*

324 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:06:10am

re: #321 3 wood

That's why you'd be a good prof, You're more worried about teaching than about being idolized by sheep.

325 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:07:46am

re: #322 LanceKates

And the best part of all, redc1c4, is that you not only refuse to acknowledge your prickish attitude towards us 'sillyvillians' . .. but also lump anyone who brings attantion to it into that same group.

326 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:08:29am

re: #320 JustMyView

How old are you? The armed service use to take troubled youths for many many years with no real problems. They still have to pass basic training.

Your making a mountain out of a mole hill.

327 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:10:51am

re: #326 Dustoff-507

How old are you? The armed service use to take troubled youths for many many years with no real problems. They still have to pass basic training.

Your making a mountain out of a mole hill.

With the purpose of distracting any attention on Obama's rampant socialism.

328 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:10:51am

re: #320 JustMyView

Those of you who are so worried about Obama's blogger should go to the link Charles has provided and scroll down a bit to the article about how the Army has increased the number of people it has admitted under moral waivers in order to meet recruiting goals. I find that more troubling, both for what it says about how the military has been used and what it says about what might happen to it, than I find the musings of Obama's twenty-something website administrator, and I'd imagine quite a few senior military people feel the same way.

If the thugs can't make good soldiers, then I imagine we will reinstate the draft, and that net should catch a fair number of moonbat boys.

Thugs - moonbat boys - thugs -- moonbat boys . . . I feel sorry for the commanders.

329 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:12:08am

re: #327 LanceKates

Yes we must be so much more worried about some E-1 in Basic training.

LOL JMV is a fool.

330 debutaunt  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:12:35am

re: #292 Sharmutah

I realy don't care, but following your logic if somone uses my social security number for ten years, although I have had it for 40,years I guess that would be OK.

How did it take so long to become evident?

331 JustMyView  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:12:58am

re: #326 Dustoff-507

How old are you? The armed service use to take troubled youths for many many years with no real problems. They still have to pass basic training.

Your making a mountain out of a mole hill.

I'm old enough to remember or, at least, to have heard of the idea of telling young men in minor trouble w/ the law that they could either go in the army or go to jail, so I know it's not the end of the world. But I don't think this is a molehill. The army has vastly expanded the amount of money it is paying in recruiting bonuses and lowered standards. Senior military officials have testified that our current commitments are unsustainable. That's serious, more serious than the politics of Obama's blogger, pastor, or even his wife.

332 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:13:02am

re: #329 Dustoff-507

Yes we must be so much more worried about some E-1 in Basic training.

LOL JMV is a fool.

One of my regrets (already) in life is that I didn't stay in shape and join the military.

The military makes men, and makes good men better.

333 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:13:42am

re: #331 JustMyView

I'm old enough to remember or, at least, to have heard of the idea of telling young men in minor trouble w/ the law that they could either go in the army or go to jail, so I know it's not the end of the world. But I don't think this is a molehill. The army has vastly expanded the amount of money it is paying in recruiting bonuses and lowered standards. Senior military officials have testified that our current commitments are unsustainable. That's serious, more serious than the politics of Obama's blogger, pastor, or even his wife.

Still trying to shift focus away from Obama's socialism.

You REALLY refuse to discuss it, don't you?

Yet you blindly follow.

334 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:15:27am

re: #331 JustMyView


WELL if you want to scream about it. Then point your finger at the Dem party and Bill Clinton who cut our armed forces to where they are today.

335 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:16:40am

re: #334 Dustoff-507

WELL if you want to scream about it. Then point your finger at the Dem party and Bill Clinton who cut our armed forces to where they are today.

SHHH! It is Bush's fault!

9/11 was an inside job!

Bush Lied People Died!

Military-industrial-complex!

Vote Obama!

/

336 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:17:42am

re: #335 LanceKates

LOL

Thanks lance

337 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:19:32am

Global Warming!

Kyoto!

Tax Fairly by Taxing the Rich Extra! (Paying 90% of taxes isn't enough!)

Free Healthcare for Illegals!

Vote Obama!

Gun Control! (Only police should be armed!)

Police State! (when they catch people doing drugs)

Don't Tase me, Bro!

Vote Obama!

338 Silhouette  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:20:42am

The leftists can only see the military as victims or villians, usually flipping back and forth without twitching an eyelash or noticing the disconnect.

Just for the record, they are neither victims nor villians. They are grown responsible adults, freely choosing their role, and at the same time they are the greatest worldly force of good on this planet, warts and all.

339 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:21:59am

I don't know why the left has a problem with felons being in the military....

They're constantly fighting for felons to be considered victims of society and keep trying to get their vote.

Seems to me the left values felons.

The right wants to reform them.

340 Endangered in MASS  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:22:14am

Looks like Barry's got the Felsen Waffle Blues.

Where's your precious messiah now ? huh?

341 zmdavid  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:23:27am

re: #337 LanceKates

In Leftyland everything is illegal, but the laws are only enforced against enemies of the state.

342 Silhouette  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:23:56am

I had no idea that slight recruiting dips in some service branches, often offset by increases in re-enlistment, was vastly more important than the basic moral, ethical, and political outlook of the man who would lead the free world.

I'm so glad someone corrected me.

343 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:24:11am

re: #341 zmdavid

In Leftyland everything is illegal, but the laws are only enforced against enemies of the state.

"enemies of the state" meaning anyone to the right of McCain.

344 Endangered in MASS  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:26:08am

re: #93 Cygnus


Them's the flim flam flap jacks.

345 adragonknowsbest  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:29:34am

This is the paradox that I sense: The more I learn about Obama the more I fear he would do great harm to the United States. I would much prefer that Hillary Clinton take the democratic nomination because the evil you know is much better than the evil you do not know. However, somewhat reliable national polls show that McCain would be favored over Obama. These same polls show that he is behind slightly against Clinton. Also, I have a hunch, that Hillary supporters are more likely to vote for Obama than vise versa when it comes to the national election.

My point is that we should be careful what we wish for...If Hillary does pull off this "miracle" and wins the nomination, she will pick up some serious momentum which will of course be fueled by the MSM. And of the 2 Democratic candidates, she has not taken any truly serious damage that can be exploited. BO has and is a "dead man walking" in a national election. DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE HILLARY CLINTON.

346 incanus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:30:45am

re: #53 JustMyView

It gets worse. His mail carrier is a communist, his dry cleaner is opposed to water fluordation, and his auto mechanic was once stopped for running a red light. Where will this stop?!?

So you get outed as a Marxist and feel the need to run over here and post?!? JustGoAway.

347 incanus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:36:54am

re: #124 Occasional Reader

Oh, look, he's wearing a baseball cap. So he's just, you know, a regular guy, and we can trust him. Why, I beat he eats waffles at diners and that sort of thing. Probably bowls, too.

Not only that, it's a Red Sox cap!

/nvm

348 nikis-knight  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:44:50am

re: #88 Cartman

The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism.
- Karl Marx

Sounds like a certain religion I could name.

349 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:44:54am

re: #322 LanceKates

You're still whining because you didn't keep your pay stubs.

I'm a "Silly Villian" idiot and I keep my pay stubs.

And my tax records.

While I do feel sorry for you being in the bind you are, lashing out at "sillyvillians" does not really garner much support for your cause.

you've no idea what you're talking about. i have pay records. i've submitted them repeatedly, and they have been ignored. i have them only because i have friends in places most soldiers don't. we don't get "pay stubs". you're supposed to get an LES, which they mail to you, and usually you do get them, but sometimes you don't. you can request a replacement, and sometimes you'll get that, if you request it enough times. you're also supposed to get a yearly accounting of your retirement status, so you can deal with issues like this in a timely fashion, but i only received 2 in 20 years. i suppose you'll tell me that's my fault too.

since you're harping on the fact that Soldiers like me are servants to citizens like you, i'll remind you of this management truism: if you don't want your staff thinking you're a moron, don't act like one. since you insist on writing like an arrogant, uninformed and willfully condescending prick, i'll just naturally have to figure you are one. ever thought of enlisting as a 2LT? you have a natural aptitude for it.

HTH. HAND.

350 incanus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:45:07am

re: #186 redc1c4

unless, of course, the subject is evolution vs/ intelligent design....

To people like you, "tolerance" appears to mean "shut up and don't argue with me".

351 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:54:18am

re: #349 redc1c4

you're also supposed to get a yearly accounting of your retirement status, so you can deal with issues like this in a timely fashion, but i only received 2 in 20 years. i suppose you'll tell me that's my fault too.

Yup, if it is something I'm supposed to have, I guess I ought to take the responsibility for making sure I have it. Personal responsibility is a wicked bitch.

since you're harping on the fact that Soldiers like me are servants to citizens like you, i'll remind you of this management truism: if you don't want your staff thinking you're a moron, don't act like one.

First, my point was that someone who serves the public shouldn't refer to them as 'silly villians'.

Second, someone who doesn't even follow through to make sure they have the records they need isn't in much of a position to refer to me as a moron.

ever thought of enlisting as a 2LT? you have a natural aptitude for it.

Ahh... trashing officers... and personal insults.

All you have left is typing in all caps, right?

352 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:54:49am

re: #350 incanus

To people like you, "tolerance" appears to mean "shut up and don't argue with me".

well, we're just arrogant, ignorant 'silly villians' . . . . we're just supposed to shut up and pay government salaries.

353 ergo sum  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:55:10am

Heal my broken bitter soul Obama....oooh is that a waffle?

354 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:55:22am

re: #350 incanus

To people like you, "tolerance" appears to mean "shut up and don't argue with me".

nope: it means bringing something more to the question than the "G*d said, i believe it and that settles it" mentality, regardless of the subject.

it also means not trying to place one set of experiences or rules onto an entirely different set of circumstances and proclaiming that they are equal.
i don't make grandiose comments about how things w*rk in the world of academia, because i don't deal with it on a routine basis. i *will* comment on health care because i'm an SME there, at least in certain fields. i don't usually comment on theological debates because i just don't care.

i've got plenty of tolerance, and it's within specs.

355 incanus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:56:39am

re: #349 redc1c4

ever thought of enlisting as a 2LT? you have a natural aptitude for it.

Lieutenants don't enlist.

356 JustMyView  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:56:39am

re: #334 Dustoff-507

WELL if you want to scream about it. Then point your finger at the Dem party and Bill Clinton who cut our armed forces to where they are today.

GWB has been president for nearly eight years, and he launched two wars. He has consistently been unwilling to fund those wars by making the true cost part of the federal budget or by asking for increases in the size of the military. It's a little late to blame everything that is wrong in the world on Bill Clinton.

357 JustMyView  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:58:38am

re: #333 LanceKates

Still trying to shift focus away from Obama's socialism.

You REALLY refuse to discuss it, don't you?

Yet you blindly follow.

No, Lance, I only refuse to discuss it with you.

358 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:59:12am

re: #355 incanus

Lieutenants don't enlist.

well lookie there. you ruined a perfectly good insult with those pesky 'facts' things...

359 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 10:59:43am

re: #357 JustMyView

No, Lance, I only refuse to discuss it with you.

No, you pretty much refuse to discuss it with anyone who questions you.

I'm afraid that I'm not nearly important enough to be the sole person doing that.

360 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:00:03am

re: #356 JustMyView

GWB has been president for nearly eight years, and he launched two wars. He has consistently been unwilling to fund those wars by making the true cost part of the federal budget or by asking for increases in the size of the military. It's a little late to blame everything that is wrong in the world on Bill Clinton.

still has nothing to do with Obama's connection to socialism.

361 m  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:03:43am

re: #331 JustMyView

But Obama wants to be commander in chief over those people (and us whiteys too) -- so who he chooses as a wife or a dedicated official definitely matters.

362 m  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:04:19am

^
dedicated official -blogger-

363 incanus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:04:35am

re: #356 JustMyView

GWB has been president for nearly eight years, and he launched two wars. He has consistently been unwilling to fund those wars by making the true cost part of the federal budget or by asking for increases in the size of the military. It's a little late to blame everything that is wrong in the world on Bill Clinton.

You have links for this stuff, right?

364 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:04:53am

re: #349 redc1c4

you're also supposed to get a yearly accounting of your retirement status, so you can deal with issues like this in a timely fashion, but i only received 2 in 20 years. i suppose you'll tell me that's my fault too.

Yup, if it is something I'm supposed to have, I guess I ought to take the responsibility for making sure I have it. Personal responsibility is a wicked bitch.

so now i'm supposed to go up to OTAG every year, on my time, and force them to do their j*bs? why don't you take care of that for your servants?

since you're harping on the fact that Soldiers like me are servants to citizens like you, i'll remind you of this management truism: if you don't want your staff thinking you're a moron, don't act like one.

First, my point was that someone who serves the public shouldn't refer to them as 'silly villians'.

Second, someone who doesn't even follow through to make sure they have the records they need isn't in much of a position to refer to me as a moron.

and, as i pointed out, i *do* have those records, so what does that make you, the poster child for reading comprehension?

ever thought of enlisting as a 2LT? you have a natural aptitude for it.

Ahh... trashing officers... and personal insults.

All you have left is typing in all caps, right?

experience has shown that officers primarily exist to attend meetings and sign for stuff, but i've got a quote i'm sure you'll agree with:
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."

Army Officer's Guide

365 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:04:54am

re: #361 m

But Obama wants to be commander in chief over those people (and us whiteys too) -- so who he chooses as a wife or a dedicated official definitely matters.

SHHH... we're talking about why President Bush is evil now... we can't be talking negatively about Obama.... Obama may not like it!

(Just let him eat his waffle, ok?!)

*grin*

How's the east coast, lovliest mortgage field lady I konw?

366 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:05:41am

re: #363 incanus

You have links for this stuff, right?

doesn't matter that the democrats in congress are the ones who do the funding..... President Bush is a R, therefore it is his fault.

Unlike when the President is a D and the congress is in republican control, in which case all things are congress' fault.

367 bulwrk  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:08:57am

re: #320 JustMyView

Charles has provided and scroll down a bit to the article about how the Army has increased the number of people it has admitted under moral waivers in order to meet recruiting goals.


I am more concerned with felons teaching in public school systems being protected by teachers unions.

368 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:09:34am

re: #364 redc1c4

so now i'm supposed to go up to OTAG every year, on my time, and force them to do their j*bs?

Well, since they are records you need..... yeah. If I don't get my W-2 for filing my 'sillyvillian' taxes, do you think I just sit with my thumb up my butt, or do you think I'm on the phone demanding it?

why don't you take care of that for your servants?

Personal responsibility means I take care of what I need and YOU take care of what you need.

and, as i pointed out, i *do* have those records, so what does that make you, the poster child for reading comprehension?

In one comment you complain about only getting 2 out of 20, then in another you say you have them all, then you attack my comprehension? Nice.

experience has shown that officers primarily exist to attend meetings and sign for stuff, but i've got a quote i'm sure you'll agree with:

Nice healthy respect for the military. National Guard you say? Were you in it for the free benefits and never actually expected to have to DO anything? Or do you just always hate any authority because you believe that YOU are the center of the universe?

Both?

369 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:11:54am

re: #355 incanus

Lieutenants don't enlist.

true enough, they are commissioned, but there is an enlistment type process involved, because unless you are directly commissioned after completion of an ROTC program or the ilk, you are a cadet of one sort or the other. Lance can take his happy ass on down to the nearest Guard recruiter, enlist an an EM in the MOS of his choice, although, with his professed expertise in the field i'd suggest personnel, so he can mend the errors endemic in that CMF, thereby ensuring that all Soldiers finally have their pay & records straight, and stipulate in the contract that he wants to attend State OCS. in just over a year, assuming he completes the course, he'll be an officer and be able to put irritating enlisted swine like me in our rightful place.

since you don't have a defensible position, you can always pick at nits.

370 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:13:53am

re: #369 redc1c4

Actually, I'm getting into shape so I can join the military in some form.

Due to age, the Marines are out, but there is hope for the Air Force or Army... I've been tested and have a high aptitude for communications and cyphers, but I'd prefer to be doing something more along the lines of assistant chaplin or some sort of chopper crewmember... door gunner, etc.

371 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:14:12am

So, in short, from this 'silly villian' . .. .

blow it our your ass.

372 bulwrk  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:19:14am

re: #370 LanceKates

no such mos as door gunner, the crew chief mans the door gun if you have mechanical aptitude thats the job.

373 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:19:54am

re: #370 LanceKates

DOOR GUNNER..

Now lance I can see you doing this.

Now as a person in the know.... (me) Door gunners don't have the best lifespan. Trust me. (-:

374 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:22:38am

re: #372 bulwrk

no such mos as door gunner, the crew chief mans the door gun if you have mechanical aptitude thats the job.

well, I can learn to do anything... heh. I don't, however, have a mechanical background though, so I'd be a bit behind the curve compared to people who've turned wrenches their whole lives.

375 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:23:12am

re: #373 Dustoff-507

DOOR GUNNER..

Now lance I can see you doing this.

Now as a person in the know.... (me) Door gunners don't have the best lifespan. Trust me. (-:

Quantity and Quality aren't always the same.

Better to die defending freedom than live letting it be sucked away.

Besides. I know where I'm doing when I die.

376 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:28:54am

re: #375 LanceKates


Ok I can go with that.

377 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:29:58am

re: #372 bulwrk


IS that true now? we had two gunners in Nam..

378 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:30:48am

re: #376 Dustoff-507

Ok I can go with that.

Heh.

I'd still prefer to be an assistant Chaplin. I used to want to be a Chaplin, but then I learned that they can't be armed.

No thanks. Bible in one hand, firearm in the other. (or Bible on the heart, both hands on a .50 cal machine gun)

379 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:31:33am

re: #378 LanceKates


LOL... your not there to kill Lance.

380 bulwrk  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:32:51am

re: #377 Dustoff-507

it was in the Marines and that was way back for me.

381 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:33:46am

re: #379 Dustoff-507

LOL... your not there to kill Lance.

Nope, just defend.

I'm not a murderer. Just a Defender.

382 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:34:18am

re: #380 bulwrk


I was Army and we had two? yes the C/C was one of them.

383 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:34:51am

re: #381 LanceKates


Lance stop it.. LOL

384 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:36:07am

re: #383 Dustoff-507

lol.. what?

385 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:36:08am

re: #381 LanceKates


Were you in Hueys?

386 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:36:47am

re: #384 LanceKates


LOL... your not there to kill Lance.

Nope, just defend.

I'm not a murderer. Just a Defender.

387 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:38:11am

re: #385 Dustoff-507

Were you in Hueys?

no, I have NOT served in the military. I apologize if I gave that impression.

I'm getting into shape to JOIN the military in one branch or another.

388 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:39:30am

re: #387 LanceKates

Sorry Lance I ment Bulwrk

389 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:41:44am

re: #388 Dustoff-507

no worries.

390 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:42:04am

I've no interest in being a hero. I just want to do what is right.

391 incanus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:42:53am

re: #369 redc1c4

true enough, they are commissioned, but there is an enlistment type process involved, because unless you are directly commissioned after completion of an ROTC program or the ilk, you are a cadet of one sort or the other. Lance can take his happy ass on down to the nearest Guard recruiter, enlist an an EM in the MOS of his choice, although, with his professed expertise in the field i'd suggest personnel, so he can mend the errors endemic in that CMF, thereby ensuring that all Soldiers finally have their pay & records straight, and stipulate in the contract that he wants to attend State OCS. in just over a year, assuming he completes the course, he'll be an officer and be able to put irritating enlisted swine like me in our rightful place.

since you don't have a defensible position, you can always pick at nits.

I don't recall having any position to defend.

I was enlisted, and not an officer. I was offered OCS but said "No thanks".

You knew all that already, right?

Let's put the cards on the table.

1) I like Lance, even though his delivery can be a bit abrupt. Give him some time, he's one of the good guys.

2) Perhaps I have you confused with someone else, and I honestly don't care to wade through the Stein thread again, but I don't recall being overwhelmed with your tolerance there. Having said that you seem like one of the good guys too, and as former ARNG all I can say with the paperwork is, good luck.

392 bulwrk  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:43:38am

re: #382 Dustoff-507

You would know more about it than me I just rode in them. But I remember sitting in a Huey thinking this sure beats humping it everywhere and asked the c/c about being a door gunner and thats what he told me.

393 gman  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:45:01am

re: #356 JustMyView

GWB has been president for nearly eight years, and he launched two wars. He has consistently been unwilling to fund those wars by making the true cost part of the federal budget or by asking for increases in the size of the military. It's a little late to blame everything that is wrong in the world on Bill Clinton.

Why don't you just get down to what is really at the heart of your discontent?

Moonbats want to think that everyone thinks just like them.
They don't see any purpose in waging war, because they always figure that the other side just wants peace and if we just would have had a few more round- table discussions things would have worked out. (This is also the reason moonbats see soldiers as blood- thirsty crazed killers and explains their obsession with statistics backing up this paradigm)

It's elitist to think you're point of view is the only one. Furthermore, it is dangerous. There are people who truly believe it is their divine mission in life to kill anyone that does not believe their religion. That means you and me. Do you think treating them to a few more round- table discussions is going to rid them of a lifetime of indoctrination?

394 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:45:39am

re: #391 incanus

I may get abrupt, but I do get upset when people refer to the american taxpayers as 'sillyvillians'

I've seen rhetoric like that before, and it is generally from a government employee.

395 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:49:12am

re: #392 bulwrk


Well to be truthful. I never asked the guys who manned the guns what their MOS was. Granted Dustoff (medical helos) were not supposed to be armed. but hey sometimes you broke the rules. I just saw many hueys with two gunners.

As I said to Lance. It wasn't a safe job. It's you an M-60 and only 032 sheetmetal to keep your butt alive.

396 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:50:00am

re: #395 Dustoff-507

I'm confident in my eternal resting place.

That said, I don't understand someone going into the field of battle unarmed.

397 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:51:14am

re: #396 LanceKates


Ahhh Lance. Don't become a medic. LOL

398 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:52:16am

re: #397 Dustoff-507

Pfft..... me? a medic? I have issues testing my own blood for my sugar level.... I'd never be able to do the stuff you guys did.

medics amaze me the way that fighter pilots amaze little kids.

399 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:53:41am

re: #398 LanceKates


Medics are just PLAIN CRAZY Lance. (-:

But I did carry a nice 45.,

400 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:55:06am

re: #399 Dustoff-507

Medics are just PLAIN CRAZY Lance. (-:

But I did carry a nice 45.,

I KNEW IT!

heh.

That's, honestly, why I gave up on wanting to be a chaplin.

No way I'm going to be unarmed.

One day I'll have to square up my bad theology with God, but I'm pretty sure he'll give me a pass on that bit.

401 Fasternu426  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:55:35am

LanceKates

I raised my right hand and enlisted again last week. I'm 40 and joined the Texas National Guard. The last time I was at the MEPS station, Ronald Reagan was President! I had to do the whole thing all over. I picked 74D as an MOS. Chem Warfare Specialist!

Hooah! I go to Warrior Transition School at Ft Bliss in a couple of months, then to Ft Leonard Wood to train for MOS! Can't wait! Been running and working out... I'm old, but I ain't broke!

402 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:57:34am

re: #401 Fasternu426

Excellent! Able to keep up with the youngin's in the basic training?

403 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:57:45am

re: #401 Fasternu426


NICE... but I'm a tad to old to go back as a medic. (-:

404 incanus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 11:59:46am

re: #394 LanceKates

I may get abrupt, but I do get upset when people refer to the american taxpayers as 'sillyvillians'

I've seen rhetoric like that before, and it is generally from a government employee.

I know what you're saying. I also thought the "sillyvillains" (villain is such a great word btw) was a bit, well, silly and while not a big deal certainly didn't deserve defence.

I do think sometimes you're a bit strong on the delivery. OTOH this is a blog.

You remind me of me ten years ago (shit now I sound like Babba).

405 incanus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:01:47pm

re: #395 Dustoff-507

Well to be truthful. I never asked the guys who manned the guns what their MOS was. Granted Dustoff (medical helos) were not supposed to be armed. but hey sometimes you broke the rules. I just saw many hueys with two gunners.

As I said to Lance. It wasn't a safe job. It's you an M-60 and only 032 sheetmetal to keep your butt alive.

My father (9th ID, VN late 1966-1967) was a door gunner for a few weeks and liked to take his camera with him and shoot photos.

I'm currently scanning in all his photography (ever); he loved cameras and always used slide film.

406 incanus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:03:12pm

re: #401 Fasternu426

LanceKates

I raised my right hand and enlisted again last week. I'm 40 and joined the Texas National Guard. The last time I was at the MEPS station, Ronald Reagan was President! I had to do the whole thing all over. I picked 74D as an MOS. Chem Warfare Specialist!

Hooah! I go to Warrior Transition School at Ft Bliss in a couple of months, then to Ft Leonard Wood to train for MOS! Can't wait! Been running and working out... I'm old, but I ain't broke!

My two training bases in reverse (Ft Lost in the Woods for basic, and Ft. Bliss (The Hill) for MOS).

I did not like El Paso =/

407 Fasternu426  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:04:39pm

re: #402 LanceKates

I wouldn't try if I didn't think I could! Hooah! :)

408 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:04:48pm

re: #405 incanus


Great to hear. I have a few pic's but many were lost when i came back to the states.

409 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:05:31pm

re: #404 incanus

I know what you're saying. I also thought the "sillyvillains" (villain is such a great word btw) was a bit, well, silly and while not a big deal certainly didn't deserve defence.

I do think sometimes you're a bit strong on the delivery. OTOH this is a blog.

You remind me of me ten years ago (shit now I sound like Babba).

I admit that I get a 'bit strong on the delivery' . . . but that's how I am in discussions.

I'm actually a pretty quiet guy. but if you insult something I care about like that (i.e. Americans)... out come the bear claws. (and not the tasty pastry)

410 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:06:41pm

re: #407 Fasternu426

You'll do fine, I'm sure. You have the advantage of having been through it before!

Congrats on your moving forward and I hope the best for you!

411 Fasternu426  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:06:47pm

I was a sailor in a previous life, I have to learn to speak Army.

412 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:07:27pm

re: #411 Fasternu426

I was a sailor in a previous life, I have to learn to speak Army.

I think, instead of making fun of Marines, you're supposed to make fun of Air Force.

other than that, I don't know about any differences.

413 incanus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:09:38pm

re: #412 LanceKates

I think, instead of making fun of Marines, you're supposed to make fun of Air Force.

other than that, I don't know about any differences.

Air Force? What's that? The four branches of the military are; Army, Navy, Marines, Coast Guard.

A bad day in the Air Force is when the cable goes out.

I could go on but my Air Force friends will be hunting me down =)

414 Fasternu426  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:11:16pm

Two bars on a collar device are Captain, not Lieutenant. The wall is a wall, not a bulkhead. You crap in the latrine, not the head. Geedunk is Pogey bait.. there's more. Like learning to speak a foreign language!

415 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:11:40pm

re: #413 incanus

My dad is a Marine.

He was staying at an Air Force base for some training they did (he was in the Marine's first missile batt. . . they fired modified terriers)

His C/o had them put their puptents down by the runway because the base's facilities were 'too nice' for 'real men'

416 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:11:55pm

re: #411 Fasternu426


O-my, are you going to have fun. 0-: Just tell them you were a Marine instead.

417 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:13:01pm

re: #413 incanus


Coast guard is under the dept of Trans.

418 Fasternu426  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:13:14pm

re: #416 Dustoff-507

That might be worse...

419 Fasternu426  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:14:32pm

The good thing about the Coast Guard,
if your boat sinks, you can always stand up and walk to shore....

420 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:14:35pm

re: #414 Fasternu426

Claymores say on the front( point twoards bad guys) Don't screw up. LOL

421 JustMyView  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:15:00pm

re: #361 m

But Obama wants to be commander in chief over those people (and us whiteys too) -- so who he chooses as a wife or a dedicated official definitely matters.

I doubt he is planning to make his wife, Jeremiah Wright, or Bill Ayers a Supreme Court justice, Attorney General, or Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. His wife has said, publicly, and repeatedly that she has no interest in even attending cabinet meetings or other policy-making meetings, let alone having an official role.

422 Fasternu426  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:15:33pm

re: #420 Dustoff-507

Claymores say on the front( point twoards bad guys) Don't screw up. LOL


It's a pass or fail evolution....

423 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:16:06pm

re: #418 Fasternu426


Not sure buddy, but being a swabie could really be against you.

424 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:17:01pm

re: #422 Fasternu426


OOOO-you'll fail all right. Then you will have to deal with guys like me. 0-:

425 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:17:10pm

re: #421 JustMyView

I doubt he is planning to make his wife, Jeremiah Wright, or Bill Ayers a Supreme Court justice, Attorney General, or Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. His wife has said, publicly, and repeatedly that she has no interest in even attending cabinet meetings or other policy-making meetings, let alone having an official role.

Given who he chooses to be his wife and spiritual adivsors, why is it we should trust who he'd pick to be in his administration?

426 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:17:41pm

re: #419 Fasternu426


OOOOOOO-man. LOL

427 JustMyView  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:17:59pm

re: #393 gman

Why don't you just get down to what is really at the heart of your discontent?

Moonbats want to think that everyone thinks just like them.
They don't see any purpose in waging war, because they always figure that the other side just wants peace and if we just would have had a few more round- table discussions things would have worked out. (This is also the reason moonbats see soldiers as blood- thirsty crazed killers and explains their obsession with statistics backing up this paradigm)

It's elitist to think you're point of view is the only one. Furthermore, it is dangerous. There are people who truly believe it is their divine mission in life to kill anyone that does not believe their religion. That means you and me. Do you think treating them to a few more round- table discussions is going to rid them of a lifetime of indoctrination?

You are imputing to me a number of beliefs that I do not hold. I'm quite aware that the political views of the American people vary widely, that war is sometimes necessary, and, obviously, that there are people in the world who want only to kill others as they die for themselves in what they believe is a glorious cause. I'm under no illusions.

428 Fasternu426  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:18:52pm

re: #423 Dustoff-507

Not sure buddy, but being a swabie could really be against you.

They aren't going to skin me and eat me :)
Besides, I'm old and need the workout. Any PT they make me do is needed at my age. And... they pay me to do it, unlike joining a gym and paying for a membership!

Hooah!

429 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:19:54pm

re: #427 JustMyView

I'm under no illusions.

no, trust me.... you are.

430 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:19:54pm

re: #419 Fasternu426


I know a few rescue divers who may take that as a insult. Just maybe. (-:

431 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:20:40pm

re: #428 Fasternu426

My dad still chuckles when he remembers Boot Camp.

18 year old's whimpering and crying after lights out.

432 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:21:27pm

re: #428 Fasternu426


WOW your right.. Maybe I should re-join.

433 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:23:07pm

re: #431 LanceKates

So do I lance. They beat me to death because of my last name.

434 Fasternu426  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:23:09pm

re: #430 Dustoff-507

I know a few rescue divers who may take that as a insult. Just maybe. (-:

Coasties do some dangerous stuff! From boarding and chasing dope smugglers to rescues. They have all my respect! But, being Navy I couldn't resist....

435 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:24:15pm

re: #434 Fasternu426


Really, could have fooled me. LOL.

Their all good men & women.

436 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:24:49pm

re: #434 Fasternu426

Did you ever go to San diego?

437 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:25:17pm

re: #433 Dustoff-507

So do I lance. They beat me to death because of my last name.

I'm curious, but given that it is a public forum, I won't ask.

My dad was in Boot with a guy named Sample.

They called him Simple as, while he wasn't 'slow' . . . he just couldn't catch on to how to do things.

"Private Simple?"

"Sir Yes SIR!"

"See that jeep?"

"Sir Yes Sir!"

"Crawl under it and die!"

438 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:26:10pm

He also remembers having a guy break down, get into a fetal position, and start sobbing when the DI told him to go run across the base and back.

439 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:28:08pm

re: #437 LanceKates

It was something like that for me. My last name is very different (german) and it ends with rider.
So ever sh*t job that came along. guess who got picked.

440 Fasternu426  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:28:19pm

Every branch of the US military is great! They all compliment each other. They are what keeps this country great, not America hating protesters and hippies! I'd rather have a dumbass E-2 gun bunny than a Harvard -Law grad any day!

441 Fasternu426  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:29:19pm

re: #436 Dustoff-507

1988 Great Lakes... then to Keflavik and back to Damneck Va. Got out in 1993.

442 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:29:50pm

re: #439 Dustoff-507

Heh. My dad learned that sometimes when they're really tearing into you, it is because they see what you can become.

re: #440 Fasternu426

Very true. Extra respect goes to any soldier, in my book. (unfortunately, anyone can also LOSE respect through prickish behavior)

443 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:29:54pm

re: #440 Fasternu426


Me too buddy, me too. My Chief at my fire dept was a old Navy chief.

444 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:30:29pm

re: #441 Fasternu426

To bad. great navy town.

445 incanus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:31:29pm

re: #417 Dustoff-507

Coast guard is under the dept of Trans.

It's a joke.

446 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:33:33pm

re: #445 incanus

The Coast guard or Dept of Trans?

447 Fasternu426  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:34:49pm

re: #443 Dustoff-507

There's nothing crustier than a Navy Chief. They don't call their quarters the "Goat Locker" for nothing!

448 LanceKates  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:35:36pm

Phoenix UFO's explained!

449 incanus  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:44:21pm

re: #446 Dustoff-507

The Coast guard or Dept of Trans?

LOL.

450 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:50:03pm

re: #447 Fasternu426


He knew his stuff. I'll say that for him.

I liked him too. Some of the medics & fire fighters didn't, but they had never been in the service.

451 Dustoff-507  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:50:44pm

re: #448 LanceKates

So was that you Lance. i knew it

452 Fasternu426  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:56:59pm

I was a cop for years, and I asked every field trainer I knew if they would rather have a vet or a college grad. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM said a vet. When asked why, they said they vets followed directions while they were being trained. The college kids wanted to know "why" and complained that "this wasn't how they taught me in the academy" and "the last trainer didn't do it like that"t. The vets were smart enough to know that while they were training under that particular trainer, they were to do it his/her way to get past them. Once on their own, they could do things their own way!

453 irongrampa  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 12:58:34pm

Heh-gettin a kick out of listening to the reminiscing about service, I was in from 61-67, and this military is light years different from mine. I wore the uniform with PRIDE, yet when i see these young men and women serving today, I feel humbled.

454 Fasternu426  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 1:00:27pm

re: #448 LanceKates

I tried doing a prank like that once. I had some chemlights and helium balloons. It was near a very big airport in Texas. I was going to string the lights under the balloons with some tinfoil to help reflect the light and possibly give a radar signature. While putting everything together, I cut my hand open and had to go to the emergency room. It seemed like a good idea at the time.....

455 Fasternu426  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 1:05:50pm

re: #453 irongrampa

I know how you feel. While at MEPS, I saw all branches. Nearly all of them were younger than me. I saw a young Marine Sgt walk past me, he nodded at me as he walked by, and I realized that I was old enough to be his daddy! It felt good to see them and know I was getting back into that world! Seeing twenty somethings with combat patches and rows of ribbons at such a young age made me see again that this is the greatest country in the world STILL! Obama and his communist-America hating friends be damned!

456 Mister Ghost  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 1:11:26pm

Comrades,
All waffles are created equally, but some waffles are more equal than others...

457 m  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 1:32:00pm

re: #421 JustMyView

I didn't say they would be anointed ones - I said his choices matter.

His choice of wife- his choice of church- his choice of throwing granny under the bus... they all matter.

But you knew what I meant. Good try at deflecting though!

458 gman  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 2:07:13pm
It gets worse. His mail carrier is a communist, his dry cleaner is opposed to water fluordation, and his auto mechanic was once stopped for running a red light. Where will this stop?!?

You..
brush off affiliations.

Those of you who are so worried about Obama's blogger should go to the link Charles has provided and scroll down a bit to the article about how the Army has increased the number of people it has admitted under moral waivers in order to meet recruiting goals. I find that more troubling, both for what it says about how the military has been used and what it says about what might happen to it, than I find the musings of Obama's twenty-something website administrator, and I'd imagine quite a few senior military people feel the same way.


You..
pull in statistics that get good play at Daily Kos, but are statistically insignificant (A fraction of 1% of the total number of recruits)

GWB has been president for nearly eight years, and he launched two wars. He has consistently been unwilling to fund those wars by making the true cost part of the federal budget or by asking for increases in the size of the military. It's a little late to blame everything that is wrong in the world on Bill Clinton.

You..
blame Bush for problems with the military


You..
must be a moonbat. But that's Just My View.

459 Picayune  Wed, Apr 23, 2008 8:40:25pm

Well... it walks, squawks, and flys like a Marxist Duck - got to be a Marxist duck, Jeb.

Pennsylvania had a 1 day Marxist duck season yesterday & those bible totin, bigoted, xenophobic, white Christians duck hunters sure got their bag limits (63% vote for Clinton in rural counties)

Still.... wait til the national fall duck season begins after a Summer formal Marxist duck identification campaign sponsored by the RNC is aired!

Woodint want to that kind a duck then.
Obama, keep it up and .......... Duck!

460 Sacred Plants  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 1:16:32am

Oh, a Chomskyite... How´s East Timor doing lately?

461 Jed  Thu, Apr 24, 2008 6:30:16am

I have to pity that demented moron, Chomsky. He lives his life hating his heredity.

462 jebster  Sat, Apr 26, 2008 11:06:02am

So, OsamaObama is supported by socialists, terrorists, AND marxists. How wonderful. Yup, he will bring change. Hard-core socilaist change. No thank you...


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