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McCain: NC Republicans 'Out of Touch with Reality'

Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 10:40:46 am PDT

John McCain attacks the North Carolina GOP: McCain says N.C. Republicans out of touch over ad.

In an NBC interview aired on Friday, the Arizona senator said he has done all he can to persuade the state party to cancel the television ad that criticizes Obama as “too extreme” because of controversial remarks made by his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

“They’re not listening to me because they’re out of touch with reality and the Republican Party. We are the party of Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan and this kind of campaigning is unacceptable,” McCain told NBC’s “Today” Show.

“I’ve done everything that I can to repudiate and to see that this kind of campaigning does not continue,” he added.

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1 newsjunkie_ky  4/25/08 10:41:31 am reply quote

NO MONEY FOR YOU!

2 buzzsawmonkey  4/25/08 10:41:51 am reply quote

"I have no interest in pursuing victory by laying the facts before the voting public."
--John McCain

3 incanus  4/25/08 10:42:20 am reply quote

McCain supported Reagan?

4 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  4/25/08 10:42:32 am reply quote

John McCain is still stuck on stupid.

5 JamesTKirk  4/25/08 10:42:35 am reply quote

McCain has no business discussing "reality" or any other concept with which he has no experience.

6 ORD neighbor  4/25/08 10:43:01 am reply quote

Mixed signals? Deliberate deception? Indirect maneuver inspired by Sun Tzu? "Maskirovka"? "Dezinformatsiya"? Or just plain bad idea? Wait and see. Oh well.

7 AuntAcid  4/25/08 10:43:37 am reply quote

"Can't we all just get along?"

8 brainsample  4/25/08 10:43:46 am reply quote

Yesterday I suggested that McCain is doing this to give the ad national exposure. At this point, I'm not so sure.

9 rawmuse  4/25/08 10:44:09 am reply quote

That is because they are "mavericks".

10 Ojoe  4/25/08 10:44:15 am reply quote

Lincoln, T.R. and Ronald Reagan would all have been appalled by "Rev." Wright's

"God Damn America"

and they would have said so, Mr. McCain.

I have a hard time remaining civil in my comments about BHO and the Democratic Party so I'll quit now.

11 Racer X  4/25/08 10:44:31 am reply quote

He won't be happy until Obama is president?

John, get a freakin' clue. Your main plan right now should be to let everyone else attack Obama (especially Hillary). Let them battle it out. Do not jump in. Yet.

12 Diamond Bullet  4/25/08 10:44:50 am reply quote

This is why I have issues with (as far as I can tell) basically having no choice but voting for McCain. Obama spends 20 years dragging his family to listen to a guy who thinks the U.S. government invented AIDS to get back at black people, and it's not relevant?

13 newsjunkie_ky  4/25/08 10:44:57 am reply quote

mccain is out of touch with conservatives, the Republican Party, and REALITY!

Vote R in your local elections.

14 RickZ  4/25/08 10:45:12 am reply quote

What in the wide, wide world of sports is McCain trying to do, pull another Bob Dole?

15 Pastorius  4/25/08 10:45:21 am reply quote

Well, you have to admit, John McCain is very mature.

16 pat  4/25/08 10:45:23 am reply quote

Everyday there is less to like about McCain.

17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  4/25/08 10:45:23 am reply quote

Sigh.

Telling them to stop once and letting it rest was a strategy.

Getting into a pissing contest is McCain being a dumb ass

18 beblebrox  4/25/08 10:45:28 am reply quote

personally i think it's politically brilliant. disavow yourself, giving yourself plausible deniability, while at the same time propelling a state ad to national prominence.

19 BulgarWheat  4/25/08 10:45:33 am reply quote

one liberal, one socialist, and one marxist. these are our choices in 2008?

Juan McCain should STFU and let those of us in North Carolina decide what kinds of adds we need for a Gubernatorial race.

one liberal, one socialist, and one marxist, how Effin' disappointing!

20 Spiritualized  4/25/08 10:45:50 am reply quote

Probably a calculated move, the ad will still go out and McCain can claim he's above petty name-calling or some such.

21 Pastorius  4/25/08 10:46:30 am reply quote

Abraham Lincoln would have been a-ok with Jeremiah Wright's remarks.

/// sarc. off

22 itellu3times  4/25/08 10:46:30 am reply quote

McCain is right on the edge of senility. I have some concerns that he doesn't disqualify himself between now and November. As to the odds of him making it through even a first four-year term, I dunno.

Yeah, his mother. Would you want her as president?

23 pyjoe  4/25/08 10:46:31 am reply quote

He is an idiot.

24 pat  4/25/08 10:46:31 am reply quote

McCain/Obama 08

25 AuntAcid  4/25/08 10:46:40 am reply quote

re: #8 brainsample

Yesterday I suggested that McCain is doing this to give the ad national exposure. At this point, I'm not so sure.

"Senator, can I interest you in some bullet proof shoes?"

26 Fat Jolly Penguin  4/25/08 10:46:40 am reply quote

"I'm a Republican and I'm a maverick, damn it, and if you don't listen to me and do as I say you're out of touch!"

/Juan McCain

27 Diamond Bullet  4/25/08 10:46:42 am reply quote

re: #18 beblebrox

personally i think it's politically brilliant. disavow yourself, giving yourself plausible deniability, while at the same time propelling a state ad to national prominence.

See, what's what I hoped at first - it was McCain and the NC Repubs working both sides.

But I don't think that any longer.

28 Tumulus11  4/25/08 10:46:56 am reply quote

. I want more Jeremiah Wright and more cowbell.

29 zombie  4/25/08 10:47:10 am reply quote

The key scene in the film "The Candidate" starring Robert Redford (from the '70s) is when he is talking with a strategist, who informs Redford -- who has been recruited somewhat unwillingly to be a gubernatorial candidate -- that the reason they're conducted such a lame campaign is that the goal is for him to LOSE. I forget the plot intricacies of why, but Redford eventually shakes off his handlers and goes off to actually win.

Watching McCain's campaign, I am reminded of that film -- they seem intent on losing on purpose, as if that was some kind of clever counter-intuitive goal.

30 Killgore Trout  4/25/08 10:47:17 am reply quote

I need to find something to cling to.

31 bosforus  4/25/08 10:47:18 am reply quote

I heard a sound clip from the head of the RNC in NC this morning say the exact same thing but in reverse. She basically said he doesn't understand the political atmosphere in NC. I'm going to have to obviously side with NC in this case. McCain's idea of 'reailty' is doing whatever he can to keep the dems happy. Hopefully, come the general election, he'll turn on 'em. But I'm definitely not counting on it.

32 Fat Jolly Penguin  4/25/08 10:47:38 am reply quote

re: #18 beblebrox

personally i think it's politically brilliant. disavow yourself, giving yourself plausible deniability, while at the same time propelling a state ad to national prominence.

I would agree, except I'm pretty sure he's completely serious.

33 Sharmuta  4/25/08 10:47:42 am reply quote
they’re out of touch with reality and the Republican Party.

I believe it's called "projection".

34 brainwizard73  4/25/08 10:48:09 am reply quote

Hold on, I have a crazy theory here.

It is possible, just possible, that McCain is mad because this material was going to feature in some great ads later and springing them now gives the Obama campaign time to wait out the effect?

...Nope.

Not possible, damn, I thought we had someone with a mind, here.

I guess people you associate with and judgment aren't important issues for the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!

35 itellu3times  4/25/08 10:48:12 am reply quote

Give the man a waffle, and leave him in peace.

36 rawmuse  4/25/08 10:48:17 am reply quote

re: #30 Killgore Trout

I need to find something to cling to.

Atheists tend to have that problem. ;)

37 chinesearithmetic  4/25/08 10:48:19 am reply quote

What he should have said was, "I am running against Barack Obama, not Jeremiah Wright." The lecture was unnecessary.

38 Ojoe  4/25/08 10:48:31 am reply quote

re: #24 pat

Spock Yoda '08

39 buzzsawmonkey  4/25/08 10:48:31 am reply quote

re: #19 BulgarWheat

one liberal, one socialist, and one marxist. these are our choices in 2008?

One shot.
One bourbon.
And one beer.

40 LanceKates  4/25/08 10:49:10 am reply quote

LanceKates: McCain 'Out of Touch with Conservatives'

41 rageman  4/25/08 10:49:11 am reply quote

Another "diss" to the conservatives. McCain better pick a heck of a good VP.

42 JammieWearingFool  4/25/08 10:49:15 am reply quote

O'Reilly had a couple of mindreaders on last night and these learned Ph.D.'s concluded this is all a nefarious plot by McCain to stay above the fray while tacitly supporting the ad.

/They're not fooled.

43 jdun  4/25/08 10:49:28 am reply quote

How is it worst when Obama called all Republican Voters Racist? If Obama can't take the heat he should get out of the kitchen.

44 newsjunkie_ky  4/25/08 10:49:33 am reply quote

Rush said money was pouring into NC Republican HQ.
I was very proud of Ms Daves for standing up to mccain.

45 Killgore Trout  4/25/08 10:50:01 am reply quote

re: #36 rawmuse

...but I'll always have porn.

46 Fasternu426  4/25/08 10:50:33 am reply quote

WTF? Does he NOT want to win?

Like Barry Hussein Osama will respond in kind...

47 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  4/25/08 10:50:49 am reply quote

re: #38 Ojoe

Spock Yoda '08

The Doctor/Captain Kirk '08

48 bosforus  4/25/08 10:51:14 am reply quote

re: #29 zombie

You'd think McCain would've learned a lesson or two after nearly drowning his campaign last summer.

49 mj  4/25/08 10:51:31 am reply quote

I liked what McCain said here:

Jennifer Rubin asked if Obama has given an unhelpful signal to Hamas? McCain responded that it’s clear who Hamas wants to be President. So does Daniel Ortega. “I will be Hamas’ worst nightmare,” said McCain. McCain noted that Iran is stepping up their export of explosives to Iraq, and they wouldn’t want him to be President either. New slogan: John McCain: The candidate America’s enemies least favorite.

[Link: www.theamericanmind.com...]

50 vxbush  4/25/08 10:51:40 am reply quote

re: #38 Ojoe

Spock Yoda '08

Hear hear! I would vote for that ticket in a heartbeat.

51 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  4/25/08 10:51:42 am reply quote

re: #28 Tumulus11

. I want more Jeremiah Wright and more cowbell.

Me too! Especially the cowbell.

52 Ojoe  4/25/08 10:51:43 am reply quote

re: #47 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

You know they'd be better.

53 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  4/25/08 10:51:48 am reply quote

That's like the pot calling the kettle black.

/Was that racist?

54 taxfreekiller  4/25/08 10:52:18 am reply quote

Of note;

No matter if its a R or a D, the next four years America will have one sort of lame duck for a Pres.

too also:

facts

East Texas State Rep. on what will come in Texas this next session

[Link: www.kltv.com...]

and facts on DL's for Illegals in Main.

[Link: www.alipac.us...]

55 brainwizard73  4/25/08 10:52:21 am reply quote

The best:

Obama says to MSM media that "McCain could pull the ad if he wanted to."

Will the MSM remember that when MoveOn.org has an and with McCain, Osama Bin Laden, a goat and three gallons of lubricant?

Sorry for the mental image, but I bet no one would remind Obama about his statement charging McCain with the task of removing an ad by another group.

56 Fat Jolly Penguin  4/25/08 10:52:46 am reply quote

re: #50 vxbush

Can we have Teal'c as Secretary of Defense?

57 vxbush  4/25/08 10:52:47 am reply quote

re: #47 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

The Doctor/Captain Kirk '08

Alienist!

/

58 zombie  4/25/08 10:52:48 am reply quote

Here's an interesting possibility:

McCain is actually signalling to US -- we independent bloggers.

Here's what he's saying:

"I will take the high road -- absolutely no negative ads, and I will not attack my opponents. Strictly a positive 'message campaign.'

However, that means it is up to YOU, my unaffiliated supporters, to be my attack dogs. I want you to take Obama (or Hillary) down, yet I also want to be able to honestly disassociate myself from you."

That way, we get the best of both worlds.

We'll SwiftBlog Obama while McCain keeps his hands clean.

How about it? I'm OK with that.

59 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  4/25/08 10:52:58 am reply quote

re: #43 jdun

How is it worst when Obama called all Republican Voters Racist? If Obama can't take the heat he should get out of the kitchen.

If you said that about Hillary, you'd be sexist!

60 doppelganglander  4/25/08 10:53:05 am reply quote

All he had to say was, "The NC Republicans acted independently of our campaign. We had no prior knowledge of the ad and we cannot prevent them from acting as they see fit."

McCain tends to be a little self-righteous about how upright and moral he is, so he felt he had to say something to protect his self-image. This is why even if McCain becomes president, he will never be the leader of the Republican Party.

61 JammieWearingFool  4/25/08 10:53:24 am reply quote

Hey, I like that ad up top with F. Lee Levin on it.

62 Acumen  4/25/08 10:53:27 am reply quote

McCain is the one who is "out of touch with reality ". Senator McCain, let's just think of it as most of us conservative Republicans are just mavericks like you! Yes you are doing a great job of winning back the conservative base - keep up the great work.

63 brainwizard73  4/25/08 10:53:42 am reply quote

re: #58 zombie

From your keyboard to McCain's ears...

64 Cicero05  4/25/08 10:53:49 am reply quote

Every time I think I can cast a vote for the guy, he opens his mouth and says something stupid.

PLEASE stick to your biography and shut up about politics and policy.

65 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  4/25/08 10:53:50 am reply quote

re: #52 Ojoe

You know they'd be better.

Yep.

We have a Time Lord, who doesn't give second chances to anyone and can regenerate, at the top of the ticket, and to charm the wives of foreign leaders as VP.

66 lawhawk  4/25/08 10:53:57 am reply quote

He bites the hand that feeds him. Again.

This is quite the trend McCain has. He has no problem going soft on his political opponents across the aisle, but will unleash all kinds of craziness on those within the GOP who cross him - even by running accurate ads about Obama and Clinton.

No wonder so many in the GOP are going to be holding their nose when they vote in November. The stink from this election is almost too much to bear.

67 Ojoe  4/25/08 10:54:03 am reply quote

re: #58 zombie

Fine with me

68 beblebrox  4/25/08 10:54:07 am reply quote

re: #27 Diamond Bullet

See, what's what I hoped at first - it was McCain and the NC Repubs working both sides.

But I don't think that any longer.

I dunno. I have no reason to not believe it. it would take a lot to convince me that any politician wasn't a conniving S.O.B.

69 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  4/25/08 10:54:07 am reply quote

re: #57 vxbush

Alienist!

/


lol

70 nyc redneck  4/25/08 10:54:11 am reply quote

does mccain want to win this thing?
sheesh.

71 JammieWearingFool  4/25/08 10:54:19 am reply quote

re: #58 zombie

Here's an interesting possibility:

McCain is actually signalling to US -- we independent bloggers.

Here's what he's saying:

"I will take the high road -- absolutely no negative ads, and I will not attack my opponents. Strictly a positive 'message campaign.'

However, that means it is up to YOU, my unaffiliated supporters, to be my attack dogs. I want you to take Obama (or Hillary) down, yet I also want to be able to honestly disassociate myself from you."

That way, we get the best of both worlds.

We'll SwiftBlog Obama while McCain keeps his hands clean.

How about it? I'm OK with that.

Plausible.

Even if not, he's already being accused of it.

So he may as well proceed.

72 trailortrash  4/25/08 10:54:40 am reply quote

re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sigh.

Telling them to stop once and letting it rest was a strategy.

Getting into a pissing contest is McCain being a dumb ass

agreed .

73 doppelganglander  4/25/08 10:55:02 am reply quote

re: #58 zombie

Swiftblogging -- is that original? I like it very much.

74 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  4/25/08 10:55:04 am reply quote

re: #71 JammieWearingFool

Plausible.

Even if not, he's already being accused of it.

So he may as well proceed.

So one can have one's cake and eat it too!

75 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  4/25/08 10:55:06 am reply quote

"The last thing he's qualified to give a tour of is reality."
/Seinfeld on Kramer - it works here, too.

76 hrhamilton  4/25/08 10:55:34 am reply quote

The major disappointment that I have seen with the Republican leadership over the years, and I speak as a lifelong Republican, is that they ain't got no fight in them. They don't fight for what they believe in, which probably explains why they keep losing support. All I see from the Republicans are reasons to not vote for them. Where is a third party when you need one?

77 Ojoe  4/25/08 10:56:01 am reply quote

"Swiftblogging" good rotating title.

78 lawhawk  4/25/08 10:56:32 am reply quote

re: #58 zombie

I made that observation yesterday, but he's straining credulity by going after the NC GOP in this way.

79 coquimbojoe  4/25/08 10:56:36 am reply quote

Hey, Johnny, here's the reality, you are/were one of the worst of the republican candidates. You are only there because independent and Democrats voted for you in open primaries. They are not going to vote for you in the general. And quite frankly, many of us may not either.

80 Cognito  4/25/08 10:56:48 am reply quote

I think John McCain simply knows what he's doing.

Obama and Hillary are slapping each other so hard and so fast right now that neither of them -- whoever wins the Democratic primary -- will emerge undamaged. McCain, meanwhile, has quietly taken the high road. Perhaps a bit too high for some people's tastes, but it's a sound strategy nonetheless: Why trade blows with your opponents when they're already pummeling each other?

81 JammieWearingFool  4/25/08 10:57:02 am reply quote

re: #74 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

So one can have one's cake and eat it too!

Mmm. Cake.

I already had some today!

82 Kenneth  4/25/08 10:57:25 am reply quote

re: #58 zombie

There is something to that. After all, Bush distanced himself from the Swift Boaters, and they proved to be most effective in defeating Kerry.

BTW: it's good to see you back!

83 brainwizard73  4/25/08 10:57:32 am reply quote

re: #76 hrhamilton

The third party is confined to the Capitol broom closet since that is about how much power third parties have in our "first past the post" election system.

Besides, the Dems should split up before the GOP.

Imagine Democrat Balkanization (without the actual violence)...

84 toomanysnax  4/25/08 10:57:45 am reply quote

C'mon. You folks are all wrong, wrong, wrong. I got this in the mail today. We really need to ponder this.

"We in Holland cannot figure out why you are even bothering to hold an election.

"On the Democrat side, you have a bitch who is a lawyer, married to a bastard lawyer, and a lawyer who is married to a bitch who is a lawyer.

"On the Republican side, you have a true war hero married to a beautiful blond with a huge chest who owns a beer distributorship.

Is there really a contest here?"

85 Fasternu426  4/25/08 10:57:47 am reply quote

re: #58 zombie

I sure hope so.

I'd still rather have a Ted Nugent / R Lee Ermey '08 ticket, though.

86 kayatribe  4/25/08 10:58:07 am reply quote

re: #18 beblebrox

Bingo.

If McCain, or the RNC, really wanted the ad to be pulled, the ad would be pulled.

By publicly criticizing the NC GOP, McCain offers the appearance of being above dirty politics. It helps to maintain the "Maverick" fiction. By keeping in the news cycle something that would have otherwise been largely ignored nationally, the NC ad gets played repeatedly - for free! - on major media outlets.

87 alegrias  4/25/08 10:58:07 am reply quote

Listen to what McCain said. He's disassociating from false accusations of racism which NONE of us need, since they ARE FALSE--i hope we can say that about our lizardly selves.

Since Obama supporters & campaign manager Plouffe have said only racists will vote for McCain, it's good to point out McCain's Republican party IS the party of Lincoln (Emancipators), Teddy Roosevelt (trust busting & national park building & sending the US Navy round the world) & Ronald Reagan (who had democrats defecting to Reagan republicanism).

Republicans had women & black candidates for president first, and they were spirited, respectful candidacies.

Let the Dems wallow in their swillish stuff, WE don't need to go there.

88 coquimbojoe  4/25/08 10:58:18 am reply quote

re: #58 zombie

Here's an interesting possibility:

McCain is actually signalling to US -- we independent bloggers.

Here's what he's saying:

"I will take the high road -- absolutely no negative ads, and I will not attack my opponents. Strictly a positive 'message campaign.'

However, that means it is up to YOU, my unaffiliated supporters, to be my attack dogs. I want you to take Obama (or Hillary) down, yet I also want to be able to honestly disassociate myself from you."

That way, we get the best of both worlds.

We'll SwiftBlog Obama while McCain keeps his hands clean.

How about it? I'm OK with that.

Dammit Zombie, you have put truth to the old saying 'a day without zombie, is like a day with out sunshine'. Good to see you back!

89 JamesTKirk  4/25/08 10:58:23 am reply quote

re: #31 bosforus...McCain's idea of 'reailty' is doing whatever he can to keep the dems happy. Hopefully, come the general election, he'll turn on 'em...

Why? They're his constituency!

Ain't nobody in the race working for us. Nobody.

90 LanceKates  4/25/08 10:58:28 am reply quote

I just wish we had a conservative to vote for.

A Conservative is not the same as 'more conservative than a socialist'

91 Sunlight  4/25/08 10:58:30 am reply quote

Seems like MCCAIN Feingold campaign finance reform has taken leadership ability away from the candidates. If he wishes he were the repub mainly in control of the message (which always made sense to me! before MFreform), then he should get rid of the reform and let the chips fall where they may. To complain now, when it's working just as he set it up, is sort of silly. Freedom, not govt control!

92 Kenneth  4/25/08 10:58:41 am reply quote

re: #80 Cognito

Somebody get me a drink... I just agreed with a Cognito post!

93 brent  4/25/08 10:58:52 am reply quote

I wanted to think McCain is being tone deaf to the Right with this move, but I think he's playing this all kinds of smart. He gets to take the moral high ground, ala Obama, say he's running a clean, high-minded campaign.

And everyone talks about the ad, and the news outlets keep playing the clip of that tool saying "G*d D*** America..!".

Bravo sir, I may have misunderestimated you!

/W off

94 badsysop  4/25/08 10:58:53 am reply quote

Hello. I'm John McCain and I do not support ads promoting my candidacy unless everybody is smiling, happy, and appear medicated.

95 LanceKates  4/25/08 10:58:58 am reply quote

re: #85 Fasternu426

I sure hope so.

I'd still rather have a Ted Nugent / R Lee Ermey '08 ticket, though.

Hunting would not only be allowed, but required.

and we'd each get a watermelon to target practice with.

96 nyc redneck  4/25/08 10:59:05 am reply quote

i guess it is racist to even mention the "messiah"? and any 'person of color' connected to him.

97 Cognito  4/25/08 10:59:17 am reply quote

re: #58 zombie

Here's an interesting possibility:

McCain is actually signalling to US -- we independent bloggers.

What's the frequency, Zombie?... ;)

(Time to step away from the keyboard for a bit?)

98 zombie  4/25/08 10:59:18 am reply quote

re: #73 doppelganglander

Swiftblogging -- is that original? I like it very much.

Yeah, I just made it up as I was typing!

99 taxfreekiller  4/25/08 10:59:22 am reply quote

Cog-ni-to you bs pummel's all reason.

100 zombie  4/25/08 10:59:55 am reply quote

re: #77 Ojoe

"Swiftblogging" good rotating title.

Swiftblog! Swiftblog!

101 sojerofgod  4/25/08 10:59:55 am reply quote

Here is my official I heart McCain T-shirt.

Some people piss ya off so bad ya just gotta love'em!

He certainly does.

102 JamesTKirk  4/25/08 10:59:56 am reply quote

re: #41 rageman

Another "diss" to the conservatives. McCain better pick a heck of a good VP.

I fail to see how that makes a significant difference. He won't listen to anyone, not even his VP, who disagrees with him. Other than breaking ties in the Senate, a VP has exactly zero power an influence beyond what the President allows him.

103 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  4/25/08 10:59:59 am reply quote

re: #95 LanceKates

Hunting would not only be allowed, but required.

and we'd each get a watermelon to target practice with.

Ted Nugent for Secretary of Homeland Security!

104 taxfreekiller  4/25/08 11:00:11 am reply quote

Gog-in-toes, you bs pummeled mirrors.

105 BulgarWheat  4/25/08 11:00:33 am reply quote

re: #39 buzzsawmonkey

heh!

106 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:00:38 am reply quote

If it isn't racist to call David Duke a racist, then it isn't racist to call "Rev" Wright a racist.

That's how it works.

107 Sharmuta  4/25/08 11:00:39 am reply quote

re: #80 Cognito

Why trade blows with your opponents when they're already pummeling each other?

That's all fine and good if he wants to wait until after the convention, but why attack your own supporters? That's suicide.

108 JamesTKirk  4/25/08 11:00:39 am reply quote

re: #47 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

The Doctor/Captain Kirk '08

Wait, why am I #2?

109 lawhawk  4/25/08 11:01:12 am reply quote

re: #80 Cognito

He needs to stay in the fray to remain in the public eye - or else suffer the same problem as all the other politicians who thought they could stay out of the limelight for weeks and months on end and win elections.

Had he stopped with yesterday's comments, that would have been enough (*Dayenu!*) but he's instead chosen to drop 50 and fire for effect on the NC GOP.

He's going to need the state and local GOP to get the vote out for him, and if he's so quick to go after the NC GOP, why would anyone else go out and do work for him?

110 JammieWearingFool  4/25/08 11:01:19 am reply quote

Consider this ad was targeted for NC only. In years gone by, that's only who would've seen it. Now it's viral and actually it's pointless even paying to air it now.

Obama has already suffered more damage from it, and now it appears he's in trouble in Indiana.

Operation Chaos, baby!

111 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  4/25/08 11:01:24 am reply quote

re: #106 LanceKates

If it isn't racist to call David Duke a racist, then it isn't racist to call "Rev" Wright a racist.

That's how it works.

Racist!

112 unrealizedviewpoint  4/25/08 11:01:27 am reply quote

Is it not true that he needs disavow connection to this and the future 527 commercials soon to come? Why does he have to own them. He needs deny, to disavow. The goal is to sit them out as bystander and reap reward.

/just a driveby

113 Fasternu426  4/25/08 11:01:41 am reply quote

re: #95 LanceKates

Hunting would not only be allowed, but required.

and we'd each get a watermelon to target practice with.

I hate watermelons!

114 alegrias  4/25/08 11:01:41 am reply quote

re: #18 beblebrox

personally i think it's politically brilliant. disavow yourself, giving yourself plausible deniability, while at the same time propelling a state ad to national prominence.

* * *
Thank you. McCain's conserving campaign war chest & staying above the fray, good things in my book. We need decent people to agree with decency & party of Lincoln's better angels of our nature.

McCain today in a blog interview did point out Hamas supports Obama, while McCain is Hamas' nightmare.

We need the American people on board to fight Hamas & Carter's crew.

115 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:01:45 am reply quote

re: #103 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Ted Nugent for Secretary of Homeland Security!

I watch his show on the Outdoor Channel.

He's a friggen hoot. I'd vote for "The Nuge"

116 rawmuse  4/25/08 11:01:47 am reply quote

This must have been the way it happened to the Whigs.

117 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  4/25/08 11:01:54 am reply quote

re: #108 JamesTKirk

Wait, why am I #2?


No offense, but I think The Doctor is a hottie. I mean, dude, he can travel in time!

118 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:02:24 am reply quote

re: #108 JamesTKirk

Wait, why am I #2?

because sleeping with green women doesn't trump having the Tardis and a sonic screwdriver.

119 taxfreekiller  4/25/08 11:02:36 am reply quote

Gag-neet-too, go snowboarding with Al Bonehead.

[Link: www.timberlinelodge.com...]

by Monday, 800 inches in one season

400 normal
so
400 more

nice, this "snowboarding" of the dumb ass commine msm
bunch of low classed liars and frauds supporting lower life scum

120 sojerofgod  4/25/08 11:02:37 am reply quote

re: #103 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


Isn't "Pulchritude" the same as er, what the germans call
"Grossebusten"?

121 brent  4/25/08 11:02:57 am reply quote

What was the expression (I saw here yesterday)?

If your opponents are busy trying to eat each other, pass the salt and excuse yourself from the table..(?)

122 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:03:07 am reply quote

re: #111 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Racist!

NO, not racist.

Typical White Person.

Oh wait.... racist. nevermind.

*grin*

123 zombie  4/25/08 11:03:07 am reply quote

re: #80 Cognito

I think John McCain simply knows what he's doing.

Obama and Hillary are slapping each other so hard and so fast right now that neither of them -- whoever wins the Democratic primary -- will emerge undamaged. McCain, meanwhile, has quietly taken the high road. Perhaps a bit too high for some people's tastes, but it's a sound strategy nonetheless: Why trade blows with your opponents when they're already pummeling each other?

Exactly.

The time to go negative is late in the campaign. By doing it too early, you look mean-spirited and like you have no positive message of your own.

Also, there's little purpose to attacking the Dems until they have chosen a candidate. McCain may as well hold his fire and save his money until H or O is selected at the Dem convention. THEN start pummeling the nominee in September and October.

124 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  4/25/08 11:03:08 am reply quote

re: #117 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

No offense, but I think The Doctor is a hottie. I mean, dude, he can travel in time!

So can Kirk - just ask Joan Collins

125 badsysop  4/25/08 11:03:21 am reply quote

re: #102 JamesTKirk

I fail to see how that makes a significant difference. He won't listen to anyone, not even his VP, who disagrees with him. Other than breaking ties in the Senate, a VP has exactly zero power an influence beyond what the President allows him.

According to liberal democrats, our current VP is the devil himself... able to do all kinds of crazy stuff!

I think it does matter, though. AGE. The presidency can have an impact on his health. I'd much rather see a Fred Thompson VP than a Mike Huckabee. Whoever it is HAS to have more conservative credentials than McCain. I wouldn't put anything past that guy... McCain/Feingold 2008?

126 realwest  4/25/08 11:03:35 am reply quote

Sorry for the hit and run post (and I haven't had the chance to read the thread, either) but I'm running late.
I have to say, as a North Carolina Republican, that John McCain is the one who is out of touch with reality.
Lincoln, Teddy and Reagan would ALL have jumped over that "Goddamn America" sermon with both feet - not because of race or religion, but for the sentiments expressed ABOUT AMERICA by a long term, extremely close associate and self-confessed spritual advisor of one of the three remaining folks who may be elected President of the United States.
Senator McCain may feel that running that ad (which I haven't seen down here in N.C. btw) is hitting someone below the belt; I think it's hitting someone in their heart. Whether or not Senator Obama, as his wife has explicity said, HATES or DOES NOT RESPECT, The United States of America is a very valid and straight to the point question of a candidate for POTUS.

127 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  4/25/08 11:03:40 am reply quote

re: #118 LanceKates

because sleeping with green women doesn't trump having the Tardis and a sonic screwdriver.

Got it in one!

Although the lazers are kinda cool, too. But the sonic screw driver has so many, many uses.

128 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:03:47 am reply quote

re: #113 Fasternu426

no youtube at work.

129 Sunlight  4/25/08 11:03:48 am reply quote

re: #94 badsysop

LOL!

130 Fasternu426  4/25/08 11:04:04 am reply quote

re: #125 badsysop

McCain / JC Watts!

131 toomanysnax  4/25/08 11:04:07 am reply quote

re: #106 LanceKates

If it isn't racist to call David Duke a racist, then it isn't racist to call "Rev" Wright a racist.

That's how it works.


Has anyone out there read Obama's first book, Dreams of my Father? I'm on page 130 in the paperback and cannot believe what I am reading! Obama thinks Macolm X had it right. If I inserted the word "white" everywhere "black" is used, the book would be banned. Please, get it, read it and pass it along. We have to stop this creep!

132 Racer X  4/25/08 11:04:21 am reply quote

re: #84 toomanysnax

On the Democrat side, you have a bitch who is a lawyer, married to a bastard lawyer, and a lawyer who is married to a bitch who is a lawyer.

On the Republican side, you have a true war hero married to a beautiful blond with a huge chest who owns a beer distributorship.

Is there really a contest here?


Worth repeating.

133 Cognito  4/25/08 11:04:28 am reply quote

re: #130 Fasternu426

McCain / JC Watts!

My dream team.

Where on earth is Watts, anyway?

134 BulgarWheat  4/25/08 11:04:37 am reply quote

re: #110 JammieWearingFool

This ad is for the North Carolina Gubernatorial race and is not at all associated with McCain's run. Trust me, we have some tax and spend marxists down here that need to be called on the carpet.

McCain needs to get his nose out of this one.

135 Kenneth  4/25/08 11:04:40 am reply quote

re: #113 Fasternu426

I hate watermelons!


What do you got against watermelons?

136 vxbush  4/25/08 11:04:51 am reply quote

re: #117 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

No offense, but I think The Doctor is a hottie. I mean, dude, he can travel in time!

Heh; I just watched "City on the Edge of Forever" last night. Cosmic timing, I tell ya.

137 Fasternu426  4/25/08 11:04:56 am reply quote

re: #128 LanceKates

Was a Mail Call commercial... had watermelons. Did I mention I hate watermelons?

138 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:04:58 am reply quote

re: #114 alegrias

* * *
Thank you. McCain's conserving campaign war chest & staying above the fray, good things in my book. We need decent people to agree with decency & party of Lincoln's better angels of our nature.

McCain today in a blog interview did point out Hamas supports Obama, while McCain is Hamas' nightmare.

We need the American people on board to fight Hamas & Carter's crew.

So.... NC GOP playing clips of Obama's Spiritual Mentor = Bad

Saying that Obama is Hamas' pick = Good.

?

139 alegrias  4/25/08 11:05:14 am reply quote

re: #64 Cicero05

Every time I think I can cast a vote for the guy, he opens his mouth and says something stupid.

PLEASE stick to your biography and shut up about politics and policy.


* * *
McCain is the only one out of the three who wants to WIN against terrorists.

Why would you reject the one candidate who backed the surge in Iraq, and supports our troops, and wants our country to unite to WIN, if you are on this anti-terrorist website?

140 Fasternu426  4/25/08 11:05:33 am reply quote

re: #133 Cognito

Earning money like a good American!

141 JamesTKirk  4/25/08 11:05:43 am reply quote

re: #117 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

No offense, but I think The Doctor is a hottie. I mean, dude, he can travel in time!

So can I. Want to meet my humpbacked whales?

142 Fasternu426  4/25/08 11:06:02 am reply quote

re: #135 Kenneth

What do you got against watermelons?

I stand corrected...

143 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  4/25/08 11:06:08 am reply quote

re: #120 sojerofgod

Isn't "Pulchritude" the same as er, what the germans call
"Grossebusten"?


I don't understand German, but I somehow got the gist of the meaning of the word "Grosebusten", and no. In my case Pulchritudeinous is defined as: (adj) Characterized by or having great physical beauty and appeal.

An old boyfriend of mine suggested the nicname when I was angsting over what to call myself.

144 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:06:14 am reply quote

re: #127 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Got it in one!

Although the lazers are kinda cool, too. But the sonic screw driver has so many, many uses.

It's nice to have another Dr. Who fan around.

:D

145 kahall  4/25/08 11:06:28 am reply quote

What exactly is supposed to be wrong with the ad? I have seen it and it is nothing but the truth. I guess it hurts.

146 Kenneth  4/25/08 11:06:47 am reply quote

re: #131 toomanysnax

Read the section about how his grandmother was harassed by an aggressive pan-handler at the bus station. It contradicts the version Obama gave in his "race" speech about his grandma being a "typical white person" (ie. afraid of Negroes)

147 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:06:52 am reply quote

re: #133 Cognito

My dream team.

Where on earth is Watts, anyway?

He pulled out of Politics and is living a nice life, quiet with his family.

148 Racer X  4/25/08 11:06:53 am reply quote

Question:

Who won NC in 2004? Bush or Kerry?

149 Eagle  4/25/08 11:07:10 am reply quote

re: #18 beblebrox

personally i think it's politically brilliant. disavow yourself, giving yourself plausible deniability, while at the same time propelling a state ad to national prominence.

I want to believe that.

Maybe he has a strategy. Time will tell.

150 Sharmuta  4/25/08 11:07:10 am reply quote

re: #109 lawhawk

He's going to need the state and local GOP to get the vote out for him, and if he's so quick to go after the NC GOP, why would anyone else go out and do work for him?

Exactly. True to his maverick image, he doesn't want our help. Fine by me- he can do it himself.

151 Vinegar Joe  4/25/08 11:07:20 am reply quote

McCain's the one out of touch with reality. By pissing off the very people he needs to be elected, he's guaranteeing that this time next year, he'll be sitting in his living room in Arizona writing his memoirs and crying in his beer.

152 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:07:21 am reply quote

re: #137 Fasternu426

Was a Mail Call commercial... had watermelons. Did I mention I hate watermelons?

I've eaten watermelons busted apart in many ways, but never one that was shot apart...

hmm...

153 JamesTKirk  4/25/08 11:07:45 am reply quote

re: #139 alegrias

McCain is the only one out of the three who wants to WIN against terrorists.

He wants to win by closing Gitmo, by failing to secure our borders, etc. Not a plan that fills me with confidence.

154 nyc redneck  4/25/08 11:07:50 am reply quote

it is very relevant who obama associated w/. all these unsavory people reflect on his character. the voter has a right to have this information.
btw,is it also 'racist' to discuss william ayers. a terrorist who wished he could have bombed more. and a good friend of abama's.

155 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  4/25/08 11:07:52 am reply quote

re: #124 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

So can Kirk - just ask Joan Collins

I don't get it. Sorry.

Speaking of Star Trek...did you see the article about the glasses that help blind people see? It's so Geordi LaForge! Which is the first thing I thought of when I read the article.

156 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:08:00 am reply quote

re: #141 JamesTKirk

So can I. Want to meet my humpbacked whales?

Does that pickup line even work?

157 sojerofgod  4/25/08 11:08:04 am reply quote

re: #135 Kenneth

Man that's an old pic!

Today all the skinny minnies would be calling that chick a fat pig!

give me a girl with meat on her bones any day,
Don't need no ribs to display.

158 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  4/25/08 11:08:30 am reply quote

re: #141 JamesTKirk

So can I. Want to meet my humpbacked whales?


ROFL

159 JammieWearingFool  4/25/08 11:08:30 am reply quote

re: #134 BulgarWheat

This ad is for the North Carolina Gubernatorial race and is not at all associated with McCain's run. Trust me, we have some tax and spend marxists down here that need to be called on the carpet.

McCain needs to get his nose out of this one.

That's true. It still does Bambi damage though.

160 rightside  4/25/08 11:08:37 am reply quote

re: #123 zombie


Good to see you back, zombie.

161 JamesTKirk  4/25/08 11:08:51 am reply quote

re: #156 LanceKates

Does that pickup line even work?

You'd be surprised.

162 Spider Mensch  4/25/08 11:09:02 am reply quote

a quick thought on this...maybe McCain is thinking cankles still has a chance and why waste time on obamaman? personally I still think thats why cankles is in the democrat fray still, something or a combination of things may be coming up to sink the hope & change ship of obama.

/probably off base, but who knows?

163 scrapiron  4/25/08 11:09:04 am reply quote

McCain worries me, he has since his last run in SC when he ripped the religious right. Without them he loses.

164 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:09:08 am reply quote

re: #153 JamesTKirk

He wants to win by closing Gitmo, by failing to secure our borders, etc. Not a plan that fills me with confidence.

exactly. fighting overseas loses its umph if we leave the backdoor open and allow congress to disarm civilians.

165 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  4/25/08 11:09:25 am reply quote

re: #144 LanceKates

It's nice to have another Dr. Who fan around.

:D


It is! I don't feel like a geek anymore.

Have you seen any of the new season yet? I just love Donna!

166 yochanan  4/25/08 11:09:47 am reply quote

RIGHT NOW
no reason for John McCain to attack obama the hildabeast is doing it right now. Fox and others are carrying the water on the rev wright issue.

167 Cognito  4/25/08 11:09:50 am reply quote

Well I'm glad J.C. Watts is making mad cash and all that -- I'd love to give it a whirl myself -- but I do hope that if McCain calls on him, he answers. It seems to me that at some point a sense of duty to country could preempt money-making for a little while.

And let's be honest here. Becoming VP never sent anyone to the poorhouse.

168 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:09:58 am reply quote

re: #161 JamesTKirk

You'd be surprised.

I need to rehab my stuff then.

I'm still using "Nice shoes, wanna breed?"

169 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  4/25/08 11:10:22 am reply quote

re: #168 LanceKates

I need to rehab my stuff then.

I'm still using "Nice shoes, wanna breed?"

~snort~ lol

170 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:10:44 am reply quote

re: #165 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

The most current one I've seen was the December 2007 Christmas one with the "Titanic"

I tend to watch it on BBC America and they just finished the episodes with Master.

171 alegrias  4/25/08 11:10:48 am reply quote

For those of you who don't know or may have forgotten--how media, leftists, centrists and democrats never forgave George Bush for what some racist South Carolinians said in February of 2000 about John & Cindy McCain's adopted daughter from Bangladesh, to win that primary in South Carolina.

President Bush however innocent of the charge of racism, will have it go down in history as the dirty South Carolina primary of 2000.

Please understand why McCain prefers to remain above-board.

172 JamesTKirk  4/25/08 11:10:49 am reply quote

re: #166 yochanan

RIGHT NOW
no reason for John McCain to attack obama

No reason for him to attack the NC GOP to this extent either; except that, in any given conflict, he'll always target the GOP before the Dems.

173 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  4/25/08 11:10:49 am reply quote

re: #168 LanceKates


I love men! Ya'll are so entertaining!

174 maddogg  4/25/08 11:10:56 am reply quote

John,.....John. Try not to work so hard at fucking up your chances.

Try, instead, to get your head out of touch with the inside of your ass..

175 Fasternu426  4/25/08 11:11:08 am reply quote

re: #167 Cognito

I really really really would love to see him on the ticket!

176 Rogue198  4/25/08 11:11:12 am reply quote

I'm sure had McAmnesty sat in the pews before David Duke or Mitt Romney sat in the pews of the child rapist church in Texas for the past 20 years, it would also be considered a non-issue by snOb Hussein and his leftist slime.

The only tactical move I can see of this is when the inevitable MoveOn and other lefty lib 527 attack ads come, McAmnesty, having disavowed these can with credibility call on snOb to have them shut down.

177 JamesTKirk  4/25/08 11:11:25 am reply quote

re: #168 LanceKates

I need to rehab my stuff then.

I'm still using "Nice shoes, wanna breed?"

"Do you sleep on your stomach? Can I?"

178 Sharmuta  4/25/08 11:11:32 am reply quote

re: #166 yochanan

RIGHT NOW
no reason for John McCain to attack obama the hildabeast is doing it right now. Fox and others are carrying the water on the rev wright issue.

There is also NO REASON for him to attack his base. He doesn't want to go after obama now- fine, but why attack republicans?

179 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:11:43 am reply quote

re: #169 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

~snort~ lol

oddly enough the women I use that on don't snort and laugh.

rings make those slaps hurt.

*grin*

(I don't use pickup lines on women.... I"m a hermit. Gotta go out to meet women to use lines on them.)

180 yochanan  4/25/08 11:11:51 am reply quote

re: #88 coquimbojoe

Dammit Zombie, you have put truth to the old saying 'a day without zombie, is like a day with out sunshine'. Good to see you back!

i second that.

181 Fasternu426  4/25/08 11:11:51 am reply quote

re: #173 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

We get bored easily, 'splains lots.

182 Sharmuta  4/25/08 11:11:52 am reply quote

re: #172 JamesTKirk

GMTA!

183 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  4/25/08 11:11:56 am reply quote

re: #155 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I don't get it. Sorry.

Speaking
of Star Trek...did you see the article about the glasses that help
blind people see? It's so Geordi LaForge! Which is the first thing I
thought of when I read the article.

It's a reference to the classic episode "City on the Edge of Forever," in which Kirk & Spock travel back to Depression era NYC. Kirk falls in love with a beautiful social worker, played by Joan Collins. It turns out that she will start a pacifist movement which delays the U.S. entry into WWII & thereby let the Nazis conquer the world. Joan had to die to save the future from Nazi rule.

184 BabbaZee  4/25/08 11:12:02 am reply quote

The evils of three lessers, day 199....

sigh

185 brent  4/25/08 11:12:07 am reply quote

#155 Kirk / Collins..

Kirk / Spock went back to pre-WWII earth, met Joan Collins... He had to let her get hit by a car, or else the Nazis would have won the war.

"I'm attempting to make a computer using bearskins and stone knives"....

I am so embarrassed I remember that much....

186 chinesearithmetic  4/25/08 11:12:13 am reply quote

I saved an op-ed reprinted from The State, of Columbia, S.C., regarding McCain's loss to Bush in the 2000 S.C. primary. A Wall Street Journal columnist on The Capitol Gang dismissed Bush and urged his fellow pundits to look to Michigan, a "more real slice of life" than the Palmetto State, and the State man let him, and McCain, have it. Sad to say that McCain didn't learn that reality isn't just everybody like you. That's strike out in April. He gets three.

187 rawmuse  4/25/08 11:12:30 am reply quote

re: #178 Sharmuta

There is also NO REASON for him to attack his base. He doesn't want to go after obama now- fine, but why attack republicans?

It is a long and well-documented habit with him. At his advanced years, I doubt if he will change now.

188 JamesTKirk  4/25/08 11:12:32 am reply quote

re: #182 Sharmuta

GMTA!

And so do ours!

189 Kenneth  4/25/08 11:12:38 am reply quote

re: #157 sojerofgod

It's actually a fairly recent picture of a model in Vancouver. She specializes in old-style cheescake and hippy-chick stuff. Typical Canadian left-coast culture.

But I do share your opinion on ribs.

190 sojerofgod  4/25/08 11:12:42 am reply quote

re: #143 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
angsting?
I always knew you could have it, but I didn't know you could Do it, like that...

Perhaps in the grip if enuui?

Tell enuui to keep his filthy hands to himself!

191 JammieWearingFool  4/25/08 11:12:50 am reply quote

Rush just played the ad again.

Saturation coverage.

192 chinesearithmetic  4/25/08 11:12:52 am reply quote

Oops, strike one in April! (Now batting, Sigmund Freud!)

193 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  4/25/08 11:13:16 am reply quote

re: #170 LanceKates

The most current one I've seen was the December 2007 Christmas one with the "Titanic"

I tend to watch it on BBC America and they just finished the episodes with Master.


BitTorrent.

That said. I thought the last three with the Master were some of the best ever done. Way better than Rose's departure. Still, end of the first season (9 regenerating) was awesome too. You can't beat an episode with the Daleks. I thought that the whole Dalek/Cybermen thing was almost over the top.

I did cry when Rose said good bye to the Doctor on the beach, though. Even if she was getting annoying as a companion.

194 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:13:21 am reply quote

re: #171 alegrias

For those of you who don't know or may have forgotten--how media, leftists, centrists and democrats never forgave George Bush for what some racist South Carolinians said in February of 2000 about John & Cindy McCain's adopted daughter from Bangladesh, to win that primary in South Carolina.

President Bush however innocent of the charge of racism, will have it go down in history as the dirty South Carolina primary of 2000.

Please understand why McCain prefers to remain above-board.


For those of you who don't know or may have forgotten -- how media, leftists, centrists and democrats never forgave George Bush for winning. Twice.

195 Endangered in MASS  4/25/08 11:13:48 am reply quote

re: #143 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Grossenbusten goes "hand in hand" with that.

196 Sharmuta  4/25/08 11:13:51 am reply quote

re: #188 JamesTKirk

LOL!

197 buzzsawmonkey  4/25/08 11:14:06 am reply quote

"The Republican Party. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory for twenty years."

198 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  4/25/08 11:14:08 am reply quote

re: #179 LanceKates

oddly enough the women I use that on don't snort and laugh.

rings make those slaps hurt.

*grin*

(I don't use pickup lines on women.... I"m a hermit. Gotta go out to meet women to use lines on them.)


Don't use lines...they don't work. Just be your clever self.

199 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:14:09 am reply quote

re: #173 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I love men! Ya'll are so entertaining!

I do try.

*bows*

Now where'd I leave that Tardis?

stupid cybermen.

200 BulgarWheat  4/25/08 11:14:33 am reply quote

re: #184 BabbaZee

Babba! Mah Feral Remnant Sisstah!

Ol Mama Wheat is coming home today. I'm at home watching a tummy ache mini-wheat and the lovely and formidable Mrs. Wheat is picking up the MIL to break her out.

Insane week.

one liberal, one socialist, one marxist......

the clock is indeed ticking as TFK would point out.

201 Kenneth  4/25/08 11:14:35 am reply quote

re: #168 LanceKates

I like the line in the movie A Beautiful Mind:

"I'm trying to think of what to say to make you want to have sex with me."

It didn't work.

202 red satellite  4/25/08 11:14:59 am reply quote
They’re not listening to me because they’re out of touch with reality and the Republican Party

THANK GOD- they're not listening to you!

203 beblebrox  4/25/08 11:15:09 am reply quote

regardless of his intent on this ad, for those of you considering either not voting, or voting for a 3rd party protest candidate; i have one sentence for you:

"Middle East Special Envoy Jimmy Carter"

OK? If that isn't enough to make you not want to get out and cast a relevant vote, i don't know what will.

204 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  4/25/08 11:15:20 am reply quote

re: #183 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

It's a reference to the classic episode "City on the Edge of Forever," in which Kirk & Spock travel back to Depression era NYC. Kirk falls in love with a beautiful social worker, played by Joan Collins. It turns out that she will start a pacifist movement which delays the U.S. entry into WWII & thereby let the Nazis conquer the world. Joan had to die to save the future from Nazi rule.


Oh. I didn't see that one. Thanks!

205 Sharmuta  4/25/08 11:15:32 am reply quote

re: #187 rawmuse

It is a long and well-documented habit with him. At his advanced years, I doubt if he will change now.

Oh- I know, believe me. Sure hope the people who voted for him in the primaries are happy with themselves.

206 brent  4/25/08 11:15:40 am reply quote
President Bush however innocent of the charge of racism, will have it go down in history as the dirty South Carolina primary of 2000.

Please understand why McCain prefers to remain above-board.

The odd thing is that McCain turned around and hired the same team that ran that campaign for Bush. I'll be surprised if they play it all above board.

207 alegrias  4/25/08 11:15:59 am reply quote

re: #109 lawhawk

He needs to stay in the fray to remain in the public eye - or else suffer the same problem as all the other politicians who thought they could stay out of the limelight for weeks and months on end and win elections.

Had he stopped with yesterday's comments, that would have been enough (*Dayenu!*) but he's instead chosen to drop 50 and fire for effect on the NC GOP.

He's going to need the state and local GOP to get the vote out for him, and if he's so quick to go after the NC GOP, why would anyone else go out and do work for him?

* * *
McCain needs John Edwards' disaffected bitter voters to be able to vote for McCain without reservations, after their dem choices have proven themselves scoundrels.

208 kansas  4/25/08 11:16:19 am reply quote

re: #145 kahall

What exactly is supposed to be wrong with the ad? I have seen it and it is nothing but the truth. I guess it hurts.

I think that's what they call being Swift Boated.

209 BabbaZee  4/25/08 11:16:27 am reply quote

re: #200 BulgarWheat

{Bulgarity}

I am glad she's coming home

one liberal, one socialist, one marxist......

clop, clop, clop.....

tick tock!

210 brainwizard73  4/25/08 11:16:32 am reply quote

Wow, I go from hatchling to witnessing the birth (perhaps) of "swiftblogging" in a week.

Talk about 0-60.

211 Tigger2005  4/25/08 11:16:45 am reply quote

re: #36 rawmuse

Atheists tend to have that problem. ;)

No, actually, we don't.

212 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:16:56 am reply quote

re: #193 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

BitTorrent.

That said. I thought the last three with the Master were some of the best ever done. Way better than Rose's departure. Still, end of the first season (9 regenerating) was awesome too. You can't beat an episode with the Daleks. I thought that the whole Dalek/Cybermen thing was almost over the top.

I did cry when Rose said good bye to the Doctor on the beach, though. Even if she was getting annoying as a companion.

I thought the creepiest thing about Rose was how young she looked compared to how old 9 looked.

I did like how Martha left though, in comparison to Rose. You are definately correct there.

I've been watching Torchwood as well, and Martha made some appearances there. Kind of interesting to see the Dr. Who references.

213 cjstavern  4/25/08 11:17:05 am reply quote

This North Carolina Republican is very much in touch. The way I see it we have 3 democrats running in this election, the only reason I'm voting for McCain is because he's the most conservative of the 3 democrats. I also changed my party affiliation to participate in operation chaos. Since the Republican party has imploded nothing will make me happier than to see the democrat party follow suit.

214 Ben Hur  4/25/08 11:17:14 am reply quote

Does he actually think the Dems and their MoveOn base will abide by the same standards?

215 CLLRusso  4/25/08 11:17:15 am reply quote

Charles, maybe if you'd stop with all the tinkering I'd stay signed in occasionally. No. It is not me.

Anyway, I wish John would be quiet. I am really not a McCain fan, and it is hard enough to support him for his good points, backs the surge and knows this country must win that war...and all that. That trumps the very long list of stuff I don't like about John.

216 alegrias  4/25/08 11:17:39 am reply quote

re: #163 scrapiron

McCain worries me, he has since his last run in SC when he ripped the religious right. Without them he loses.

* * *
McCain GOT RIPPED by the RELIGIOUS WRIGHTS in South Carolina who said horrible things about his adopted daughter.

Besides, Mike Huckabee's going to campaign for McCain, & Huckabee's not a baiter is he?

217 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:17:44 am reply quote

re: #201 Kenneth

I like the line in the movie A Beautiful Mind:


It didn't work.

Heh. I'll stick with my plan:

Don't try to have sex with females unless they're hitched to me.

218 Silhouette  4/25/08 11:18:10 am reply quote

Eh, I can't get fired up over this story.

If the everyone in the GOP agrees on everything, the LLL/MSM sneer that they are in lockstep and no one thinks for themselves.

If they disagree over a tactic, the LLL/MSM sneer that things are falling apart, in-fighting, or that McCain clearly lacks the strength to "control" his underlings.

The NC GOP thinks the Rev. Wright angle is worth an ad; McCain doesn't. So what? Either way, the MSM will paint McCain/the GOP as in the wrong, probably both at the same time.

219 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  4/25/08 11:18:13 am reply quote

re: #195 Endangered in MASS

Grossenbusten goes "hand in hand" with that.


Ahhh.

220 christheprofessor  4/25/08 11:18:16 am reply quote

This is the official McCain campaign website. If you mouse over the "Get Involved" over his head, there is a "Contact Us" option in the pop-menu that you will see. Tell him how you feel. I already have.

As I said yesterday, McCain can kiss my conservative NC Republican ass.

221 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  4/25/08 11:18:18 am reply quote

re: #204 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Oh. I didn't see that one. Thanks!

Probably the best episode of the original series - yes, even better than the one with Space Lincoln!

222 sojerofgod  4/25/08 11:18:19 am reply quote

re: #210 brainwizard73

Ya gotta keep up around here or you'll get left behind in a flash.

I been here a while and just found out who 'stan' was.

I thought he was somebody's brudder!

223 rawmuse  4/25/08 11:18:23 am reply quote

re: #211 Tigger2005

No, actually, we don't.

Tell Kilgore.

224 BulgarWheat  4/25/08 11:19:13 am reply quote

re: #213 cjstavern

cj, there's only one problem with operation Chaos in NC. We don't have a solid Republican Gubernatorial candidate yet. We need to firm that up,.....

crap, just vote against Perdue.....I guess she'd be in prison in a year or two, but think of the damage she could do.

225 WayDownSouthInBama  4/25/08 11:19:18 am reply quote

Bolton/Petraeus 2008. Screw both loser parties. They've both screwed us over long enough. We need a party with the guts to stand AGAINST people like the one McCain hasn't got the stomach to stand against.

If McCain hasn't the backbone to take the fight to the enemy,he needs to do us all a favor and get out of the running and let someone in the running who does. Yes, our nation needs a Bolton or Petraeus to step up and kick these wussy politicians out of the picture.

226 Silhouette  4/25/08 11:19:40 am reply quote

re: #222 sojerofgod

Stan is allan.

227 buzzsawmonkey  4/25/08 11:19:45 am reply quote

re: #217 LanceKates

Heh. I'll stick with my plan:

Don't try to have sex with females unless they're hitched to me.

I take it, then, that you are in favor of the whoresless carriage?

228 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  4/25/08 11:20:09 am reply quote

re: #212 LanceKates

I thought the creepiest thing about Rose was how young she looked compared to how old 9 looked.

I did like how Martha left though, in comparison to Rose. You are definately correct there.

I've been watching Torchwood as well, and Martha made some appearances there. Kind of interesting to see the Dr. Who references.


9 is my fave and Christopher Eccleston is on my crush list. I liked Martha because she was strong. She was great in Torchwood. Torchwood is an awesome show as well. I cried at the end of the season finale of that one as well. I've been watching it since show one.

229 vxbush  4/25/08 11:20:35 am reply quote

re: #185 brent

#155 Kirk / Collins..

Kirk / Spock went back to pre-WWII earth, met Joan Collins... He had to let her get hit by a car, or else the Nazis would have won the war.

"I'm attempting to make a computer using bearskins and stone knives"....

I am so embarrassed I remember that much....

I *loved* that line.

230 BabbaZee  4/25/08 11:20:36 am reply quote

re: #195 Endangered in MASS

Grossenbusten goes "hand in hand" with that.

/no actual link to the song available

231 alegrias  4/25/08 11:20:56 am reply quote

re: #125 badsysop

According to liberal democrats, our current VP is the devil himself... able to do all kinds of crazy stuff!

I think it does matter, though. AGE. The presidency can have an impact on his health. I'd much rather see a Fred Thompson VP than a Mike Huckabee. Whoever it is HAS to have more conservative credentials than McCain. I wouldn't put anything past that guy... McCain/Feingold 2008?

* * *
Fred Thompson said NO WAY is he running for VP last night.

Feingold wants to lose the war & run. Sorry, McCain won't ask a cut & runner to be his possible replacement.

232 BabbaZee  4/25/08 11:21:03 am reply quote

re: #227 buzzsawmonkey

I take it, then, that you are in favor of the whoresless carriage?

I bow before you!

233 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  4/25/08 11:21:05 am reply quote

re: #221 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Probably the best episode of the original series - yes, even better than the one with Space Lincoln!


No...!

Is it even better than Mudd?

234 yochanan  4/25/08 11:21:08 am reply quote

re: #135 Kenneth

What do you got against watermelons?


EAT THE DAMN WATERMELON

235 RickZ  4/25/08 11:21:29 am reply quote

OT:

Who is 'Rogue198', and why are they dinging down when I can't even find a post from them in the last 6 months?

236 sojerofgod  4/25/08 11:21:32 am reply quote

re: #219 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

He means like, in the song Yankee Doodle

where the line goes,

And with the girls be handy

237 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:21:49 am reply quote

re: #227 buzzsawmonkey

I take it, then, that you are in favor of the whoresless carriage?

Yup. heh. Those pesky 'prudish' morals of mine.

238 BabbaZee  4/25/08 11:21:59 am reply quote

re: #222 sojerofgod

Ya gotta keep up around here or you'll get left behind in a flash.

I been here a while and just found out who 'stan' was.

I thought he was somebody's brudder!

ROTF!
now you'll know what
Lizards are clam in the face of Stan!
means


(calm)

239 kansas  4/25/08 11:22:30 am reply quote

re: #178 Sharmuta

There is also NO REASON for him to attack his base. He doesn't want to go after obama now- fine, but why attack republicans?


Who is McCain's base? I don't think he has one except by default.

240 Maximu§  4/25/08 11:22:33 am reply quote

They’re not listening to me because they’re out of touch with reality and the Republican Party

How the Hell did we end up with this old Gluehorse?

241 BabbaZee  4/25/08 11:23:06 am reply quote

re: #226 Silhouette

Stan is allan.

and allan is molech

242 Rogue198  4/25/08 11:23:08 am reply quote

re: #235 RickZ

OT:

Who is 'Rogue198', and why are they dinging down when I can't even find a post from them in the last 6 months?

I haven't dinged anyone down today...and I'm a longtime lurker, few poster...though I post spinnoffs quite often...

243 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:23:14 am reply quote

re: #228 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

9 is my fave and Christopher Eccleston is on my crush list. I liked Martha because she was strong. She was great in Torchwood. Torchwood is an awesome show as well. I cried at the end of the season finale of that one as well. I've been watching it since show one.

I didn't cry, but I did stare at the tv with my mouth open in shock.

Of course, I have a thing for Tosh.

The part, though, that I thought was most emotionally moving was Jack letting them bury him.

244 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  4/25/08 11:23:15 am reply quote

re: #236 sojerofgod

He means like, in the song Yankee Doodle

where the line goes,

Got ya...so in order for a woman to be Pulchritudinous, she must also be Grossebusten? (or am I mis-translating the word?)

245 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  4/25/08 11:23:44 am reply quote

re: #233 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

No...!

Is it even better than Mudd?

The Mudd episodes were great for their humor, City on the Edge of Forever was great for it's poignancy (and as a veiled slap against pacifism in the middle of Vietnam).

246 Kenneth  4/25/08 11:23:46 am reply quote

re: #217 LanceKates

Hitched to you?

I guessing you're talking about something more permanent than an ISDN internet connection...

247 alegrias  4/25/08 11:23:50 am reply quote

re: #151 Vinegar Joe

McCain's the one out of touch with reality. By pissing off the very people he needs to be elected, he's guaranteeing that this time next year, he'll be sitting in his living room in Arizona writing his memoirs and crying in his beer.

* * *
Even if you choose to sit it out & pout & let Totalitarian take over, McCain will still be in the Senate, back benching & supporting our troops and our fight against terrorists.

So relax, take another vacation from history and enjoy Obama/CarterII

248 rawmuse  4/25/08 11:23:54 am reply quote

re: #240 Maximu§

They’re not listening to me because they’re out of touch with reality and the Republican Party

How the Hell did we end up with this old Gluehorse?

The Dems had a little Operation Chaos of their own going on.

249 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  4/25/08 11:24:25 am reply quote

re: #243 LanceKates

I didn't cry, but I did stare at the tv with my mouth open in shock.

Of course, I have a thing for Tosh.

The part, though, that I thought was most emotionally moving was Jack letting them bury him.

Jack is da bomb! I liked Owen, but then I'm partial to men who need saving.

250 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:24:44 am reply quote

re: #240 Maximu?

They’re not listening to me because they’re out of touch with reality and the Republican Party

How the Hell did we end up with this old Gluehorse?

The Democrat version of Operation Chaos, mixed with MSM's rooting for the most liberal candidates (I.e. Rudy, McCain, Romney, anyone but Hunter)

251 newsjunkie_ky  4/25/08 11:24:53 am reply quote

re: #155 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
Got a link?

252 nyc redneck  4/25/08 11:25:22 am reply quote

whoever gets the nomination is going skewer mccain w/ the help of the msm.
he is going to look like a stunned old fool wondering why the jackals are surrounding him.
how much does he think he can heap on his own party until they just decide to leave him to a fate he has created.

253 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  4/25/08 11:25:24 am reply quote

Gotta go...work is calling. BBL

Lance...we must chat about Torchwood and Dr. Who later.

254 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:25:30 am reply quote

re: #246 Kenneth

Hitched to you?

I guessing you're talking about something more permanent than an ISDN internet connection...

lol... Yes, I'm looking for a relationship with the speed of a 33.6k modem and the lasting power of gold.

255 Kosh's Shadow  4/25/08 11:25:35 am reply quote

re: #225 WayDownSouthInBama

Bolton/Petraeus 2008. Screw both loser parties. They've both screwed us over long enough. We need a party with the guts to stand AGAINST people like the one McCain hasn't got the stomach to stand against.

If McCain hasn't the backbone to take the fight to the enemy,he needs to do us all a favor and get out of the running and let someone in the running who does. Yes, our nation needs a Bolton or Petraeus to step up and kick these wussy politicians out of the picture.

Well, if McCain would announce that Bolton would become Secretary of State, and Petraeus Secretary of Defense...
Bolton survived the UN brain rot; I think he can deal with the State Department.

256 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  4/25/08 11:25:43 am reply quote

re: #251 newsjunkie_ky

Got a link?


Let me look....

257 Eagle  4/25/08 11:25:50 am reply quote

re: #58 zombie

Here's an interesting possibility:

McCain is actually signalling to US -- we independent bloggers.

Here's what he's saying:

"I will take the high road -- absolutely no negative ads, and I will not attack my opponents. Strictly a positive 'message campaign.'

However, that means it is up to YOU, my unaffiliated supporters, to be my attack dogs. I want you to take Obama (or Hillary) down, yet I also want to be able to honestly disassociate myself from you."

That way, we get the best of both worlds.

We'll SwiftBlog Obama while McCain keeps his hands clean.

How about it? I'm OK with that.

But is it really the moral high ground to ignore those aspects of Obama?

258 yochanan  4/25/08 11:26:03 am reply quote

I HAVE NO USE FOR DEFEATISM IN ANY OF ITS FORMS.

259 jcm  4/25/08 11:26:07 am reply quote

re: #235 RickZ

OT:

Who is 'Rogue198', and why are they dinging down when I can't even find a post from them in the last 6 months?

There is several lurkers / dingers.

Ignore 'em if they haven't got the guts to come out and play.

260 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:26:17 am reply quote

re: #253 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Gotta go...work is calling. BBL

Lance...we must chat about Torchwood and Dr. Who later.

Anytime!

It is a nice departure from politics and gun control!

heh.

261 sojerofgod  4/25/08 11:26:29 am reply quote

re: #244 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
Well actually.....no.

I think i like your definition better anyway cuz, while there is something to be said for the buxom class, the body of the beauty remains in the mind's eye. Afterall, the eye of the beholder is the determinant of the scale of the attraction.

(I'm trying to talk like Obama here)

262 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:26:51 am reply quote

re: #257 Eagle

But is it really the moral high ground to ignore those aspects of Obama?

Nope.

All it takes for Evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing.

263 alegrias  4/25/08 11:26:56 am reply quote

re: #178 Sharmuta

There is also NO REASON for him to attack his base. He doesn't want to go after obama now- fine, but why attack republicans?

* * *
McCain asked them to cease and desist. That's not attacking but asking politely--since he can't control the RNC/GOP.

264 Kenneth  4/25/08 11:26:59 am reply quote

Who will McCain pick for his VP?

Not Fred Thompson: too old
Not Mitt: won't get the religious conservative vote
Not Rice: too much a Bushbot

McCain will pick somebody younger, more conservative and from a must-win state.

265 RickZ  4/25/08 11:27:00 am reply quote

re: #242 Rogue198

I haven't dinged anyone down today...and I'm a longtime lurker, few poster...though I post spinnoffs quite often...

Go to post 14, and click on the number. It doesn't jibe with what you wrote.

266 yochanan  4/25/08 11:27:10 am reply quote

this thread sounds like a circular firing squad only the donks win because of this STOP IT ALREADY.

267 Kosh's Shadow  4/25/08 11:27:14 am reply quote

re: #239 kansas

Who is McCain's base? I don't think he has one except by default.

All his base are belong to us.
(Couldn't resist)
And we know Obama's base is Al Qaeda.
(which means "the base")

268 newsjunkie_ky  4/25/08 11:27:21 am reply quote

re: #256 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
Thanks for looking.

269 ploome hineni  4/25/08 11:27:24 am reply quote

...being out of touch with reality, and being fuxking insane, are prerequisites for a job at the UN

the more insane, the higher the position

Food price rises are "mass murder" - U.N. envoy
Sun Apr 20, 2008 3:13pm IST
VIENNA (Reuters) - Global food price rises are leading to "silent mass murder" and commodities markets have brought "horror" to the world, the United Nations' food envoy told an Austrian newspaper on Sunday.

Jean Ziegler, U.N. special rapporteur on the right to food, told Kurier am Sonntag that growth in biofuels, speculation on commodities markets and European Union export subsidies mean the West is responsible for mass starvation in poorer countries.

Ziegler said he was bound to highlight the "madness" of people who think that hunger is down to fate.

"Hunger has not been down to fate for a long time -- just as (Karl) Marx thought. It is rather that a murder is behind every victim. This is silent mass murder," he said in an interview.

Ziegler blamed globalisation for "monopolising the riches of the earth" and said multinationals were responsible for a type of "structural violence".

"And we have a herd of market traders, speculators and financial bandits who have turned wild and constructed a world of inequality and horror. We have to put a stop to this," he said.

Ziegler said he believed that one day starving people could rise up against their persecutors. "It's just as possible as the French Revolution was," he said.

/gak

270 BabbaZee  4/25/08 11:27:32 am reply quote

re: #259 jcm

My estimate is more than 50% are dingsock poltroons.

271 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:28:00 am reply quote

re: #263 alegrias

* * *
McCain asked them to cease and desist. That's not attacking but asking politely--since he can't control the RNC/GOP.

And saying that they're 'out of touch with reality' is not asking politely, but attacking.

272 buzzsawmonkey  4/25/08 11:28:07 am reply quote

McCain would not risk alienating his base if he would use a little more acid.

273 Kenneth  4/25/08 11:28:16 am reply quote

re: #254 LanceKates

Good luck to you, my friend. You'll make a fine husband to the right woman.

274 maddogg  4/25/08 11:28:21 am reply quote

There seems to be some insidious disease of the mind that infects Republicans after a few years in Washington. The brain cells start to distort and malfunction, they drool, and become obsessed with being seen as a "nice guy". Unfortunately, as a result of the disease, they are unaware that they just come off as a smirking, clueless, dumbass, who is the butt of the nasty jokes told by our enemies. Possibly this was an offshoot of the government program to develop aids in the quest to kill off all the black folks. The incubation period seems to be somewhere between 4 and 8 years coincidentally. So, until we can find a vaccination for this horrible and debilitating disease, we should change our Republican office holders every 4 years, or at the first sign of clueless dribble dripping from the lower lip. I'm afraid John has overstayed his "Best if used by" date.

275 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:28:43 am reply quote

re: #264 Kenneth

Who will McCain pick for his VP?

Not Fred Thompson: too old
Not Mitt: won't get the religious conservative vote
Not Rice: too much a Bushbot

McCain will pick somebody younger, more conservative and from a must-win state.

Republican current or former governor from a state that he might not win otherwise.

I'm thinking MItt or Huckabee... definately not Jeb.

276 alegrias  4/25/08 11:28:49 am reply quote

re: #206 brent

The odd thing is that McCain turned around and hired the same team that ran that campaign for Bush. I'll be surprised if they play it all above board.

* * *
Rick Davis is McCain's campaign manager, and Rick Davis worked for McCain in 2000, not Bush. Do you mean some local South Carolina GOP outfit, which wouldn't support Romney?

277 newsjunkie_ky  4/25/08 11:28:58 am reply quote

On Rush, WRAL announced won't run the ad.

278 ploome hineni  4/25/08 11:29:24 am reply quote
Ziegler said he believed that one day starving people could rise up against their persecutors. "It's just as possible as the French Revolution was," he said.

if only they were not so weak from hunger

/bwaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahhahahaha

279 RickZ  4/25/08 11:29:35 am reply quote

re: #270 BabbaZee

My estimate is more than 50% are dingsock poltroons.

Well, this one I wrote about either 'misspoke' or is a shameless liar.

280 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:29:54 am reply quote

re: #273 Kenneth

Good luck to you, my friend. You'll make a fine husband to the right woman.

and hopefully also the right husband for a fine woman.

*evil grin*

One day. I don't want to burden a wife with my college debt.

I'm not avoiding, but I'm not looking to get married until after that is paid off.

281 Sharmuta  4/25/08 11:30:01 am reply quote

re: #263 alegrias

* * *
McCain asked them to cease and desist. That's not attacking but asking politely--since he can't control the RNC/GOP.

That was yesterday. Today they're "out of touch". I consider that an unfair and uncalled for attack.

282 Rogue198  4/25/08 11:30:05 am reply quote

re: #265 RickZ

Go to post 14, and click on the number. It doesn't jibe with what you wrote.

I still show it as being able to be voted on sir...

283 incanus  4/25/08 11:30:14 am reply quote

re: #194 LanceKates

For those of you who don't know or may have forgotten -- how media, leftists, centrists and democrats never forgave George Bush for winning. Cheating and getting selected. Twice.

Fixed it.

284 Kenneth  4/25/08 11:30:16 am reply quote

re: #272 buzzsawmonkey

Did you ask for Acid Bass?

285 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:30:50 am reply quote

re: #282 Rogue198

I still show it as being able to be voted on sir...

Minus vote: Rogue198
Plus vote: JamesTKirk

286 BabbaZee  4/25/08 11:31:11 am reply quote

The only difference between R & D today
is MPH and ETA


We live in a political world,
Love don't have any place.
We're living in times where men commit crimes
And crime don't have a face

We live in a political world,
Icicles hanging down,
Wedding bells ring and angels sing,
clouds cover up the ground.

We live in a political world,
Wisdom is thrown into jail,
It rots in a cell, is misguided as hell
Leaving no one to pick up a trail.

We live in a political world
Where mercy walks the plank,
Life is in mirrors, death disappears
Up the steps into the nearest bank.

We live in a political world
Where courage is a thing of the past
Houses are haunted, children are unwanted
The next day could be your last.

We live in a political world.
The one we can see and can feel
But there's no one to check, it's all a stacked deck,
We all know for sure that it's real.

We live in a political world
In the cities of lonesome fear,
Little by little you turn in the middle
But you're never why you're here.

We live in a political world
Under the microscope,
You can travel anywhere and hang yourself there
You always got more than enough rope.

We live in a political world
Turning and a'thrashing about,
As soon as you're awake, you're trained to take
What looks like the easy way out.

We live in a political world
Where peace is not welcome at all,
It's turned away from the door to wander some more
Or put up against the wall.

We live in a political world
Everything is hers or his,
Climb into the frame
and shout God's name
But you're never sure what it is.

287 BulgarWheat  4/25/08 11:31:13 am reply quote

re: #277 newsjunkie_ky

WRAL is getting a ton of local dissent from those of us in Raleigh.

Give 'em a piece of your mind.

[Link: www.wral.com...]

288 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:31:23 am reply quote

re: #283 incanus

Fixed it.

LOL... thanks.

Skull & Bones!

Fire can't melt steel!

Inside job!

289 Kosh's Shadow  4/25/08 11:31:25 am reply quote

re: #258 yochanan

I HAVE NO USE FOR DEFEATISM IN ANY OF ITS FORMS.

Never give up! Never Surrender!
Cmdr. Taggart

290 RickZ  4/25/08 11:31:34 am reply quote

re: #282 Rogue198

I still show it as being able to be voted on sir...

Well, you come up as a ding when I click the number.

291 BabbaZee  4/25/08 11:31:36 am reply quote

re: #279 RickZ

Well, this one I wrote about either 'misspoke' or is a shameless liar.

We get a lot of that around here.
lol

292 alegrias  4/25/08 11:31:42 am reply quote

re: #225 WayDownSouthInBama

Bolton/Petraeus 2008. Screw both loser parties. They've both screwed us over long enough. We need a party with the guts to stand AGAINST people like the one McCain hasn't got the stomach to stand against.

If McCain hasn't the backbone to take the fight to the enemy,he needs to do us all a favor and get out of the running and let someone in the running who does. Yes, our nation needs a Bolton or Petraeus to step up and kick these wussy politicians out of the picture.

* * *
McCain was Petraeus' biggest supporter & encouraged Petraeus' promotion to run the surge in Iraq.
McCain wants to take the fight to the enemy all right--only he needs the other half of the country as well to support the really big fight of our time, not the itty bitty North Carolina local fight.

(Isn't NC going for Obama by 90% anyway?)

293 buzzsawmonkey  4/25/08 11:31:55 am reply quote

re: #284 Kenneth

Did you ask for Acid Bass?

The music is one thing....but thank heavens that the Seventies are over, fashion-wise.

294 Rogue198  4/25/08 11:32:14 am reply quote

re: #285 LanceKates

Minus vote: Rogue198
Plus vote: JamesTKirk


*shrugs* I've refreshed and everything...still reads as votable. I didn't ding ya...I did hit fav accidentally and then delete it, but that's it.

295 Kosh's Shadow  4/25/08 11:32:22 am reply quote

re: #272 buzzsawmonkey

McCain would not risk alienating his base if he would use a little more acid.

He'd also have more support if he had better chemistry.

296 incanus  4/25/08 11:32:28 am reply quote

re: #216 alegrias

* * *
McCain GOT RIPPED by the RELIGIOUS WRIGHTS in South Carolina who said horrible things about his adopted daughter.

Besides, Mike Huckabee's going to campaign for McCain, & Huckabee's not a baiter is he?

He's a master ... never mind.

297 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  4/25/08 11:32:34 am reply quote

re: #249 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Jack is da bomb! I liked Owen, but then I'm partial to men who need saving.

We should talk.

298 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:32:41 am reply quote

re: #294 Rogue198

*shrugs* I've refreshed and everything...still reads as votable. I didn't ding ya...I did hit fav accidentally and then delete it, but that's it.

vote it up once, then, so we can see where the error lies.

In the world of the internet, one's 'word' is often insufficient.

299 BabbaZee  4/25/08 11:32:48 am reply quote

re: #289 Kosh's Shadow

Never give up! Never Surrender!
Cmdr. Taggart

Fear no man
Countenance no evil
Never abandon hope

~ Scroll of the Outraged Spleen

300 RickZ  4/25/08 11:33:02 am reply quote

re: #291 BabbaZee

We get a lot of that around here.
lol

How true. But you really shouldn't laugh at my failed attempt at being diplomatic, ya know.

301 BabbaZee  4/25/08 11:34:09 am reply quote

re: #300 RickZ

It's a Z thing!

302 Occasional Reader  4/25/08 11:34:44 am reply quote

Do we have a RELIABLE link for the actual ad?

A Youtube search turns up all kinds of crap claiming to be the ad; most of it is obviously false.

304 Silhouette  4/25/08 11:35:03 am reply quote

re: #269 ploome hineni

Did he just quote Marx?! 'Cuz Marxism has proved such a provider of health, wealth, food, and civil rights in the past, doncha know.

That aside, biofuels illustrate typical short-sightedness. THey could imagine nothing worse than a fuel-guzzling SUV. They demand alternative energy, and then are surprised when the cure is worse than the disease. Recent upswings in demand for biofuels *are* causing food shortages. Nonetheless, it is insanity to compare it to meditated murder, of course.

305 Bilgeman  4/25/08 11:35:34 am reply quote

Charles:

Hmmm, knowing the verifiable facts about Tuvok Obama's pastor's peculiar views on America is some kind of "Forbidden Knowledge", eh?

I thought this kind of thing had been addressed with the McCain-Feingold Act.

The irony might be delicious, had it not dropped out of a dog's rear end and onto our parlor rug.

I guess we'll just have to apply the same "no-see'um, no-say'um" rule about the ginormous mound of extra-fragrant dog feces in our living room, huh?

306 Endangered in MASS  4/25/08 11:35:40 am reply quote

re: #241 BabbaZee

coo coo ka choob.

Hi diddle diddle

307 Peacekeeper  4/25/08 11:35:51 am reply quote

(SIGH)

308 Rogue198  4/25/08 11:35:54 am reply quote

re: #298 LanceKates

vote it up once, then, so we can see where the error lies.

In the world of the internet, one's 'word' is often insufficient.

done...voted up, now greyed out and reads as "0"....still listed as a favorite of mine as well.

309 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  4/25/08 11:36:23 am reply quote

Militant kills 2 Israeli guards at West Bank divide


A Palestinian militant, apparently pretending to be a laborer, shot and killed two middle-aged guards who were screening Palestinian workers as they entered an Israeli factory in Nitzanei Shalom, along the divide between Israel and the West Bank.

310 doppelganglander  4/25/08 11:36:55 am reply quote

Rush is running a very funny "Citizen McCain" bit. It sounds like an old-time newsreel.

311 Peacekeeper  4/25/08 11:37:07 am reply quote

It's Bob Dole all over again. I wonder which old Senate fart they'll be running in 2020?

312 Ben Hur  4/25/08 11:37:18 am reply quote

re: #309 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Factories built by Israelis specifically to give Palis work.

313 BabbaZee  4/25/08 11:37:21 am reply quote

re: #306 Endangered in MASS

Porcine Greetings!
snort!

314 incanus  4/25/08 11:37:35 am reply quote

re: #290 RickZ

Well, you come up as a ding when I click the number.

Honestly, who gives a shit about one ding down. If it's repeated behaviour, fine, if not, shut up and turn in your blog police baton.

315 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  4/25/08 11:37:36 am reply quote

re: #280 LanceKates

and hopefully also the right husband for a fine woman.

*evil grin*

One day. I don't want to burden a wife with my college debt.

I'm not avoiding, but I'm not looking to get married until after that is paid off.

College loans take for-friggin-ever to pay off & you could let the right woman pass you by while you wait to be out of debt. Let your potential wife to be make that decision for herself - if she doesn't mind getting married to a man who is in debt (everyone has three mortgages nowadays - Ghostbusters), then you shouldn't mind letting her! Even Barack & Michelle only just recently finished paying off their college loans.

316 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:37:54 am reply quote

re: #308 Rogue198

done...voted up, now greyed out and reads as "0"....still listed as a favorite of mine as well.

You show as a Minus Vote, with columboejoe and JamesTKirk as the positive votes.

still not quite in your favor, factcheckingwise.

317 Kosh's Shadow  4/25/08 11:38:06 am reply quote

re: #311 Peacekeeper

It's Bob Dole all over again. I wonder which old Senate fart they'll be running in 2020?

If Obama wins, there won't be any Republicans in 2020. And there's a good chance there won't be a US, either.

318 Kenneth  4/25/08 11:38:09 am reply quote

How about Governor M. Jodi Rell as McCain's running mate? I don't know anything about her, but she's from must-win Connecticut.

319 RickZ  4/25/08 11:38:31 am reply quote

re: #308 Rogue198

done...voted up, now greyed out and reads as "0"....still listed as a favorite of mine as well.

You should talk to Charles. There appears to be something wrong somewhere. Unless you're also 'coquimbojoe".

320 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:38:42 am reply quote

re: #315 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Eh, the possibility is there... I'd just feel bad starting out life together dragging her down into my debt.

321 rawmuse  4/25/08 11:39:17 am reply quote

re: #318 Kenneth

How about Governor M. Jodi Rell as McCain's running mate? I don't know anything about her, but she's from must-win Connecticut.

How many Electoral votes in Conn. ?

322 Occasional Reader  4/25/08 11:39:30 am reply quote

re: #315 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

(everyone has three mortgages nowadays - Ghostbusters),

I am downright un-American. I have no debt. (Other than current, monthly credit card debt, paid in full each month).

323 Intrepid  4/25/08 11:39:46 am reply quote

I wonder if this primary slug-fest season will propel the Dems to change the rules for their primaries so that they stop the proportional delegates thing and go to a straight winner takes all.

But wouldn't that have Hillary as the winner already? (not sure)

324 Endangered in MASS  4/25/08 11:39:49 am reply quote

re: #284 Kenneth

Nice

325 Silhouette  4/25/08 11:40:01 am reply quote

That's it. I'm dinging everyone down. Or up. Or maybe I'll alternate.

Or Fibonacci?

326 BabbaZee  4/25/08 11:40:02 am reply quote

re: #322 Occasional Reader

Stone the Unfettered Monkey!

327 loppyd  4/25/08 11:40:07 am reply quote

re: #322 Occasional Reader

I am downright un-American. I have no debt. (Other than current, monthly credit card debt, paid in full each month).

You and the BF would get along splendidly. LOL

328 alegrias  4/25/08 11:40:20 am reply quote

re: #203 beblebrox

regardless of his intent on this ad, for those of you considering either not voting, or voting for a 3rd party protest candidate; i have one sentence for you:

"Middle East Special Envoy Jimmy Carter"

OK? If that isn't enough to make you not want to get out and cast a relevant vote, i don't know what will.

* * *
Thank you Beblebrox. McCain denounced Carter's Hamas affair more than the other two candidates--who promise to meet without conditions Hamas & its funder, Ahmedinejad of Iran.

329 incanus  4/25/08 11:40:31 am reply quote

re: #325 Silhouette

That's it. I'm dinging everyone down. Or up. Or maybe I'll alternate.

Or Fibonacci?

Fibonacci would be awesome!

330 joecitizen  4/25/08 11:40:40 am reply quote

Bolton/Hanson '12!

331 Peacekeeper  4/25/08 11:40:48 am reply quote

re: #317 Kosh's Shadow

alarmist?

332 incanus  4/25/08 11:40:48 am reply quote

re: #329 incanus

Fibonacci would be awesome!

I'm going to use a BERT test pattern.

333 BabbaZee  4/25/08 11:40:53 am reply quote

re: #325 Silhouette

That's it. I'm dinging everyone down. Or up. Or maybe I'll alternate.

Or Fibonacci?

[BLINK]

Dingalingapalooza!
DINGHAD!


lol

334 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:40:58 am reply quote

re: #322 Occasional Reader

I am downright un-American. I have no debt. (Other than current, monthly credit card debt, paid in full each month).

My only debt is my college loans.

When I buy a home, it'll be on a 30 year fixed (15 year fixed if I can afford it)

No CC debt, no car payments, nothing like that.

335 coquimbojoe  4/25/08 11:41:13 am reply quote

re: #309 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Militant kills 2 Israeli guards at West Bank divide

I know that's a big victory for the Palis and all, but are the other workers now a bit pissed off because their jobs are in danger? My guess is the Israelis cut their losses and look to others for their labor.

336 incanus  4/25/08 11:41:18 am reply quote

re: #334 LanceKates

My only debt is my college loans.

When I buy a home, it'll be on a 30 year fixed (15 year fixed if I can afford it)

No CC debt, no car payments, nothing like that.

Dave Ramsay, is that you?

337 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  4/25/08 11:41:34 am reply quote

IAEA finds a way to blame US/Israel about Syrian Nuclear site

"The director general deplores the fact that this information was not provided to the agency in a timely manner, in accordance with the agency's responsibilities under the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, to enable it to verify its veracity and establish the facts," said an IAEA statement, issued a day after ElBaradei was briefed.

"Additionally, the director general views the unilateral use of force by Israel as undermining the due process of verification that is at the heart of the nonproliferation regime," it said.

338 RickZ  4/25/08 11:41:46 am reply quote

re: #314 incanus

Honestly, who gives a shit about one ding down. If it's repeated behaviour, fine, if not, shut up and turn in your blog police baton.

Listen, asshole, I searched first for posts to read the person who did the ding down before I posted my comment. (I did not recognize the name, and apparently with good reason as he appears to be a self-admitted lurker.) I saw no posts for the last 6 months, until this thread. Bite me.

339 Occasional Reader  4/25/08 11:41:50 am reply quote

re: #327 loppyd

You and the BF would get along splendidly. LOL

I just hate being in debt. (Okay, and I've been shy about getting into the DC housing market, and have a good deal on the damn nice place I'm renting.) I did double and triple payments on my student loans, and liquidated 'em within 7 years of graduating from law school.

340 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  4/25/08 11:41:54 am reply quote

re: #320 LanceKates

Eh, the possibility is there... I'd just feel bad starting out life together dragging her down into my debt.

"You deserve the finest things in life, Marge, and although I can provide them for you, they'd be repossessed & I'd be hunted through the streets like a dog." Homer Simpson

341 Kenneth  4/25/08 11:41:55 am reply quote

re: #321 rawmuse

Connecticut has 7. Not so many.

342 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:42:03 am reply quote

I follow the Dave Ramsey plan.

"Where Debt is Dumb and the Paid off Home Mortgage takes the place of the BMW as the Status Symbol of America"

(or something like that)

343 Peacekeeper  4/25/08 11:42:03 am reply quote

re: #322 Occasional Reader

I am downright un-American. I have no debt. (Other than current, monthly credit card debt, paid in full each month).

What about your debt to generations of brave patriots? Commie.

344 Rogue198  4/25/08 11:42:05 am reply quote

re: #319 RickZ

You should talk to Charles. There appears to be something wrong somewhere. Unless you're also 'coquimbojoe".

I'm me...been me for sometime. If it happens again I'll bring it up, seems to me that it's just a hiccup. You have my apologies for any misunderstanding. I didn't ding ya.

345 coquimbojoe  4/25/08 11:42:19 am reply quote

re: #322 Occasional Reader

I am downright un-American. I have no debt. (Other than current, monthly credit card debt, paid in full each month).

I have 3500 on a credit card I haven't used in years. Yax return equals no debt. I am looking forward to experiencing it.

346 loppyd  4/25/08 11:42:30 am reply quote

re: #337 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


The director general deplores the fact that this information was not provided to the agency in a timely manner,

As if they would have done anything about it. They sure as sh*t wouldn't have bombed it!

347 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:42:45 am reply quote

re: #336 incanus

Dave Ramsay, is that you?

lol... see my 342.

348 Muadib  4/25/08 11:43:08 am reply quote

McCain says Do As I Say, Not As I Do.

349 loppyd  4/25/08 11:43:09 am reply quote

re: #345 coquimbojoe

I have 3500 on a credit card I haven't used in years. Yax return equals no debt. I am looking forward to experiencing it.

I got an extension on my Yaxes.

/ducking

350 coquimbojoe  4/25/08 11:43:21 am reply quote

re: #345 coquimbojoe

I have 3500 on a credit card I haven't used in years. Yax return equals no debt. I am looking forward to experiencing it.

Actually, that would be 'Tax' returns. My Yaks are ungrateful bastiges....

351 rawmuse  4/25/08 11:43:28 am reply quote

re: #322 Occasional Reader

I am downright un-American. I have no debt. (Other than current, monthly credit card debt, paid in full each month).

Now all you have to do is hoard food, fuel and ammo. ;)

352 Occasional Reader  4/25/08 11:43:38 am reply quote

re: #334 LanceKates

Plus, we all know that servicing debt just GOES INTO THE POCKETS OF THE JOOISH BANKERS WHO CONTROL THE WORLD, AND PAYS FOR THEIR EVIL PENIS-SHRINKING RAY GUNS!

353 BabbaZee  4/25/08 11:43:41 am reply quote

Oh please
don't fight with each other over the dingbat dinglethingos.

Please?

354 coquimbojoe  4/25/08 11:43:52 am reply quote

re: #349 loppyd

I got an extension on my Yaxes.

/ducking

If you're ducking I'm goosing.

355 Peacekeeper  4/25/08 11:44:02 am reply quote

re: #338 RickZ

So the dingy thing gets under your skin...

356 incanus  4/25/08 11:44:11 am reply quote

re: #338 RickZ

Listen, asshole, I searched first for posts to read the person who did the ding down before I posted my comment. (I did not recognize the name, and apparently with good reason as he appears to be a self-admitted lurker.) I saw no posts for the last 6 months, until this thread. Bite me.

I am honoured to be called an asshole by you.

357 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:44:18 am reply quote

re: #351 rawmuse

Now all you have to do is hoard food, fuel and ammo. ;)

WOOT!

re: #352 Occasional Reader

Plus, we all know that servicing debt just GOES INTO THE POCKETS OF THE JOOISH BANKERS WHO CONTROL THE WORLD, AND PAYS FOR THEIR EVIL PENIS-SHRINKING RAY GUNS!

Don't forget their earthquake machine.

358 alegrias  4/25/08 11:44:34 am reply quote

re: #213 cjstavern

This North Carolina Republican is very much in touch. The way I see it we have 3 democrats running in this election, the only reason I'm voting for McCain is because he's the most conservative of the 3 democrats. I also changed my party affiliation to participate in operation chaos. Since the Republican party has imploded nothing will make me happier than to see the democrat party follow suit.

* * *
Only one of the three running voted FOR the War & to WIN the war before & after it was cool.

Only one of the three has served in the military, fought communists mano a mano, and learned what a gulag is really like, from the inside for 5.5 years.

359 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  4/25/08 11:44:36 am reply quote

re: #354 coquimbojoe

If you're ducking I'm goosing.

I don't want to take a gander at that.

360 coquimbojoe  4/25/08 11:44:51 am reply quote

re: #353 BabbaZee

Oh please
don't fight with each other over the dingbat dinglethingos.

Please?

OK, no fighty, but have you tried Pandora yet? Come on try it, so easy, so nice, tailored internet radio.....

361 jcm  4/25/08 11:44:56 am reply quote

re: #337 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

IAEA finds a way to blame US/Israel about Syrian Nuclear site

I heard that on the radio this morning. I was laughing so hard.

Like we're going to share intel with you!

362 incanus  4/25/08 11:45:08 am reply quote

re: #353 BabbaZee

Oh please
don't fight with each other over the dingbat dinglethingos.

Please?

Wilco!

364 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  4/25/08 11:45:20 am reply quote

re: #359 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I don't want to take a gander at that.

Keep that up and someone will cry fowl.

365 BulgarWheat  4/25/08 11:45:24 am reply quote

re: #336 incanus

It's a great idea and in the long term unbeatable. When you drive a car 11/12 years at a time, you can pretty much pay cash for nearly anything you'd ever want, and 4.75% interest on a fixed rate loan ain't a bad deal either.

Dave Ramsey's pretty smart guy.

to each his own, but debt gives me a bad rash. I don't like it and I don't want it.

366 loppyd  4/25/08 11:45:26 am reply quote

re: #354 coquimbojoe

If you're ducking I'm goosing.

Oh my....

LOL

367 Occasional Reader  4/25/08 11:45:34 am reply quote

re: #345 coquimbojoe

Yax return

Indeed, they do.

368 BabbaZee  4/25/08 11:45:43 am reply quote

re: #360 coquimbojoe

OK, no fighty, but have you tried Pandora yet? Come on try it, so easy, so nice, tailored internet radio.....

No I haven't and I forgot about it.
Thanks for reminding me.

369 coquimbojoe  4/25/08 11:45:44 am reply quote

re: #364 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Keep that up and someone will cry fowl.

Somebody just might cry....

370 jcm  4/25/08 11:45:48 am reply quote

re: #350 coquimbojoe

Actually, that would be 'Tax' returns. My Yaks are ungrateful bastiges....

If I could put the money into Yaks, I'd get a better return.

371 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  4/25/08 11:46:08 am reply quote

re: #364 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Keep that up and someone will cry fowl.

Bring it on! I'm no chicken!

372 coquimbojoe  4/25/08 11:46:33 am reply quote

re: #367 Occasional Reader

Indeed, they do.

The one on the right is always whining about it though.

373 BabbaZee  4/25/08 11:46:41 am reply quote
Keep that up and someone will cry fowl.


My Indian name is

Runs Afoul

374 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  4/25/08 11:46:48 am reply quote

re: #371 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Bring it on! I'm no chicken!

Quite you Dodo!

375 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:47:00 am reply quote

re: #365 BulgarWheat

It's a great idea and in the long term unbeatable. When you drive a car 11/12 years at a time, you can pretty much pay cash for nearly anything you'd ever want, and 4.75% interest on a fixed rate loan ain't a bad deal either.

Dave Ramsey's pretty smart guy.

to each his own, but debt gives me a bad rash. I don't like it and I don't want it.

Best part is that you STILL pay a car loan, but you pay it to your own savings account, so that in a few years you can pay ALOT of money for a replacement car if needed.

If you do that for just a year or two, you quickly learn why loan companies do well.

376 Occasional Reader  4/25/08 11:47:08 am reply quote

So... is that "negatory" on a reliable link for the NC Repubs Obama ad?

377 coquimbojoe  4/25/08 11:47:12 am reply quote

re: #370 jcm

If I could put the money into Yaks, I'd get a better return.

BIG YAK IS RIPPING US OFF!

378 beblebrox  4/25/08 11:47:26 am reply quote

re: #328 alegrias

* * *
Thank you Beblebrox. McCain denounced Carter's Hamas affair more than the other two candidates--who promise to meet without conditions Hamas & its funder, Ahmedinejad of Iran.

I just feel that trumps all other issues. are there things i don't like about mccain? you bet. big things. but america means more to me than getting my way on everything, and I'm not willing to throw the country away in the name of not having the perfect candidate.

379 jcm  4/25/08 11:47:47 am reply quote

re: #365 BulgarWheat

It's a great idea and in the long term unbeatable. When you drive a car 11/12 years at a time, you can pretty much pay cash for nearly anything you'd ever want, and 4.75% interest on a fixed rate loan ain't a bad deal either.

Dave Ramsey's pretty smart guy.

to each his own, but debt gives me a bad rash. I don't like it and I don't want it.

I'm with you, but I do have some secured debt. No un-secured debt. My trucks 12 years old, the van is only a couple of years but needed a kid hauler.

380 incanus  4/25/08 11:48:00 am reply quote

re: #365 BulgarWheat

It's a great idea and in the long term unbeatable. When you drive a car 11/12 years at a time, you can pretty much pay cash for nearly anything you'd ever want, and 4.75% interest on a fixed rate loan ain't a bad deal either.

Dave Ramsey's pretty smart guy.

to each his own, but debt gives me a bad rash. I don't like it and I don't want it.

I think Dave Ramsey (spelled it wrong the first time, sorry Dave) is mostly right on. I'm trying to get to debt free; not easy due to idiocy when I was younger. Really enjoyed his book, listen to the radio show when I have time, etc.

I don't understand his animus towards whole life insurance though; I'm not as excited about 401(k) plans as he is. I'd rather pay my taxes up front ... I'm nervous where income tax rates are going to be when I retire and that money is coming out as income.

381 coquimbojoe  4/25/08 11:49:08 am reply quote

re: #379 jcm

I'm with you, but I do have some secured debt. No un-secured debt. My trucks 12 years old, the van is only a couple of years but needed a kid hauler.

My Car just passed 200k.......

382 Occasional Reader  4/25/08 11:49:09 am reply quote

re: #370 jcm

If I could put the money into Yaks

You can, but it's not a very comfortable experience for either them, or you.

383 loppyd  4/25/08 11:49:14 am reply quote

I had never heard of this strange man, Dave Ramsey, until just now.

Go figure.

LOL

384 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:49:19 am reply quote

re: #378 beblebrox

I just feel that trumps all other issues. are there things i don't like about mccain? you bet. big things. but america means more to me than getting my way on everything, and I'm not willing to throw the country away in the name of not having the perfect candidate.

I hear that alot. It is drivel.

That justification will be used in a few elections for Republicans to vote for a socialist instead of an out and out communist.

If the Republicans abandon conservatives for the sake of running a moderate-liberal, then they deserve to get the votes that a moderate-liberal would get.

If they lose because conservatives don't vote for him, but go third party, it is the fault of only one group: The RNC.

It is not my duty to vote RNC, it is the RNC's duty to run a conservative.

385 RickZ  4/25/08 11:49:28 am reply quote

re: #353 BabbaZee

Oh please
don't fight with each other over the dingbat dinglethingos.
Please?

Well, my original comment wasn't insulting or picking a fight, just asking a question. Then 'incanus' stepped in. He can take my 'blog police baton' and shove it (unlubed) where the sun don't shine.

386 Ben Hur  4/25/08 11:49:36 am reply quote
"The director general views the unilateral use of force by Israel as undermining the due process of verification that is at the heart of the non-proliferation regime," the statement said.

It's because of Israel.

Among the evidence they displayed were pictures - said to have been obtained by Israel - allegedly taken inside the facility showing the reactor core being built.

THrown in their to cast doubt.

Ulterior motive?

The White House insists it is committed to the ongoing six-nation diplomacy, between North Korea and the US, China, Japan, South Korea and Russia that led to a landmark deal with Pyongyang, in February 2007.

North Korea agreed to give up its nuclear weapons in return for aid and its removal from a blacklist of state sponsors of terrorism. But the US has accused Pyongyang of missing the deadline to make a full nuclear declaration as promised.

The CIA briefing and statement coincided with the end of a two-day meeting between US and North Korean officials on Pyongyang's nuclear programme, which both sides say went well - fuelling speculation that a deal may be imminent.

But questions are being asked whether the reactor claim is designed to reinforce those diplomatic efforts or an attempt by some in the administration to undermine them.

The BBC: ISrael and US LYING.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]


My count:

5 Alleged/Allegedlys
1 They said
1 Claims

387 Peacekeeper  4/25/08 11:49:51 am reply quote

I DING ON YOUR GRAVE!

388 major  4/25/08 11:49:51 am reply quote

Face it, everyone. We have three Democrats running for office.,

389 alegrias  4/25/08 11:49:53 am reply quote

re: #281 Sharmuta

That was yesterday. Today they're "out of touch". I consider that an unfair and uncalled for attack.

* * *
Republicans want black americans to consider voting for republicans interested in lower taxes, smaller government, strong defense, more freedom.

390 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  4/25/08 11:49:53 am reply quote
391 RickZ  4/25/08 11:49:57 am reply quote

re: #356 incanus

I am honoured to be called an asshole by you.

And well you should be.

392 justiceforall  4/25/08 11:50:00 am reply quote

I wonder what would happen if Senator Barack Obama urged a state Democratic Party from running attack ads against Senator John McCain was being "too extreme" because of remarks made by the pastor John Hagee.

393 incanus  4/25/08 11:50:02 am reply quote

re: #385 RickZ

Well, my original comment wasn't insulting or picking a fight, just asking a question. Then 'incanus' stepped in. He can take my 'blog police baton' and shove it (unlubed) where the sun don't shine.

You seem to have some issues with anal sex.

394 coquimbojoe  4/25/08 11:50:02 am reply quote

re: #380 incanus

I think Dave Ramsey (spelled it wrong the first time, sorry Dave) is mostly right on. I'm trying to get to debt free; not easy due to idiocy when I was younger. Really enjoyed his book, listen to the radio show when I have time, etc.

I don't understand his animus towards whole life insurance though; I'm not as excited about 401(k) plans as he is. I'd rather pay my taxes up front ... I'm nervous where income tax rates are going to be when I retire and that money is coming out as income.

Who is Dave Ramsey? I could google, but anything to read you'd recommend?

395 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:50:23 am reply quote

re: #380 incanus

I think Dave Ramsey (spelled it wrong the first time, sorry Dave) is mostly right on. I'm trying to get to debt free; not easy due to idiocy when I was younger. Really enjoyed his book, listen to the radio show when I have time, etc.

I don't understand his animus towards whole life insurance though; I'm not as excited about 401(k) plans as he is. I'd rather pay my taxes up front ... I'm nervous where income tax rates are going to be when I retire and that money is coming out as income.

He doesn't oppose life insurance, he just prefers term life insurance.

ALOT less expensive per month and you put the rest of the money into your own savings, rather than for the savings of the insurance agent.

396 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:50:41 am reply quote

re: #381 coquimbojoe

My Car just passed 200k.......

My car is at 198k

397 coquimbojoe  4/25/08 11:50:54 am reply quote

re: #388 major

Face it, everyone. We have three Democrats running for office.,

It has been faced. Over and over. And shall continue to be...

398 BulgarWheat  4/25/08 11:51:11 am reply quote

re: #375 LanceKates

Over the last 3 years, I've remodeled our kitchen and appliances, paid cash, bought my wife a new car, cash, and am having (I hope they're done this weekend) all siding, trim and painting of the house, cash.

I used a single source for all of this and it involved not a nickel of debt. I sold company stock off in each case, and supplemented the rest with savings.

We have always lived within our means, and not making some banker rich, I've been able to apply those sound rules of finance in my favor. Compounded interest is a beautiful thing.

399 incanus  4/25/08 11:51:18 am reply quote

re: #394 coquimbojoe

Who is Dave Ramsey? I could google, but anything to read you'd recommend?

[Link: www.daveramsey.com...]

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

400 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:51:21 am reply quote

re: #388 major

Face it, everyone. We have three Democrats running for office.,

and how dare a conservative not vote for one of them!

... /

401 Rogue198  4/25/08 11:51:26 am reply quote

btw RickZ, my last post before today was 3 weeks ago...I may not be a full-time lizard lounger, but I'm not a 2-poster a year either...

402 coquimbojoe  4/25/08 11:51:27 am reply quote

re: #396 LanceKates

My car is at 198k

Race you.... very, very gently.

403 Occasional Reader  4/25/08 11:52:01 am reply quote

My theory on car replacement is that I throw out my car every time the ashtray gets full.

Fortunately, I don't smoke.

404 bill-tb  4/25/08 11:52:16 am reply quote

Me, me, me, me, me ..... It's all about McCain,

I pass, I already voted for my RINO, Christ. Not going to do that again.

405 rawmuse  4/25/08 11:52:22 am reply quote

re: #395 LanceKates

If your kids are grown, your mortgage is paid off, and you have your funeral plans in place, there really is not much need for life insurance. As for me, I am way out of warranty. ;)

406 Occasional Reader  4/25/08 11:52:27 am reply quote

re: #400 LanceKates

and how dare a conservative not vote for one of them!

... /

So what are you planning to do on Election Day?

407 incanus  4/25/08 11:52:40 am reply quote

re: #395 LanceKates

He doesn't oppose life insurance, he just prefers term life insurance.

ALOT less expensive per month and you put the rest of the money into your own savings, rather than for the savings of the insurance agent.

I get the difference between term and whole life. However, as you get older term gets more expensive. Not all insurance agents are con artists. I know anyone who wants to help me invest my money wants a piece of it and as long as they're willing to be honest about how they do that, I can make a good decision.

408 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:52:54 am reply quote

re: #398 BulgarWheat

Yes indeed. I'm trying to live life the same way.

Hard to do when you're having to pay for college out of pocket AND pay college loans, but what is life without sacrifice?

409 RickZ  4/25/08 11:52:54 am reply quote

re: #401 Rogue198

btw RickZ, my last post before today was 3 weeks ago...I may not be a full-time lizard lounger, but I'm not a 2-poster a year either...

I did 30 day searches. Sorry, but I must have skipped that day.

410 cptham  4/25/08 11:53:12 am reply quote

one liberal, one socialist, and one marxist. these are our choices in 2008?

One shot.
One bourbon.
And one beer.

One voice one goal one true religion
gimme
gimme
gimme
gimme

Fried Chicken

411 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:53:25 am reply quote

re: #402 coquimbojoe

Race you.... very, very gently.

put it into drive and GENTLY accelerate to 55 over a few city blocks.

Last car to stall wins!

412 Ben Hur  4/25/08 11:53:42 am reply quote
"All you have to do is drive down the street in your car, see the price at the pump, and you know that Americans can no longer afford George W. Bush as President and his Rubber Stamp Republican Congress."

Nancy Pelosi
April 26, 2006

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

413 coquimbojoe  4/25/08 11:53:54 am reply quote

re: #411 LanceKates

put it into drive and GENTLY accelerate to 55 over a few city blocks.

Last car to stall wins!

Zactly! LOL

414 loppyd  4/25/08 11:53:54 am reply quote

re: #410 cptham

Fried Chicken


Proof there is a God.

LOL

415 Sharmuta  4/25/08 11:54:03 am reply quote

re: #392 justiceforall

I wonder what would happen if Senator Barack Obama urged a state Democratic Party from running attack ads against Senator John McCain was being "too extreme" because of remarks made by the pastor John Hagee.

You would gloat.

416 BulgarWheat  4/25/08 11:54:22 am reply quote

re: #380 incanus

I wish 3 Wood was here. He's our resident financial and investment guru.

I noticed after 5 or so years at my job I can depend on my 401K to grow roughly 12-14%. Not astounding from a year to year basis, but over 17 years the results are wonderful. Patience has paid off.

Compounded interest, truly the 7th wonder of the world!

417 coquimbojoe  4/25/08 11:54:38 am reply quote

re: #411 LanceKates

put it into drive and GENTLY accelerate to 55 over a few city blocks.

Last car to stall wins!

I sometimes have to turn of the fan to start the car....

418 jcm  4/25/08 11:54:44 am reply quote

re: #387 Peacekeeper

I DING ON YOUR GRAVE!

That is so WRONG!
;-)

419 incanus  4/25/08 11:54:48 am reply quote

re: #412 Ben Hur

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

Thanks Ben Hur, I now know who to thank for the shitload of moeny I've daved over the last two years due to gas prices dropping.

420 Dianna  4/25/08 11:54:54 am reply quote

It's odd - my first truck has about 70,000 miles on it, and she's about 10 years old. I plan to keep it until the wheels fall off.

The fun car has about 45,000. I plan to keep it...I don't know. Until the Male is tired of it?

That's the only debt I have unless you count the house. And I don't view that as actual debt.

421 Occasional Reader  4/25/08 11:55:09 am reply quote

re: #412 Ben Hur

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

Oh. My. God.

422 Bard  4/25/08 11:55:16 am reply quote

I'd say this is probably genuine - fits right in with the campaign-finance bit. But he should really stop trying to come off as such a nice guy. Politics are dirty - cope.

423 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:55:20 am reply quote

re: #405 rawmuse

If your kids are grown, your mortgage is paid off, and you have your funeral plans in place, there really is not much need for life insurance. As for me, I am way out of warranty. ;)

I have enough life insurance to pay for a funeral and cover all of my college loans that won't cancel upon death.

I have no dependents, so why have more?

re: #406 Occasional Reader

So what are you planning to do on Election Day?

In honesty, I'm not sure. I'm not 'staying home' by any means, but I don't know who I'm voting for in the President slot.

There is alot of stuff down the ballot I'm looking forward to voting for (we're going to have a vote on making english our official state language for government, etc.)

I guess that makes me 'undecided' (will they pander to me now?! lol)

424 loppyd  4/25/08 11:55:31 am reply quote

re: #412 Ben Hur

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

She needs to STFU.

How about passing McCain's proposed summer break from the gasoline tax, Madame Speakah?

425 rawmuse  4/25/08 11:55:56 am reply quote

re: #412 Ben Hur

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

Are they claiming that gas prices will go down with a Dem POTUS?
It is to laugh. What folly. The Dems have done nothing but excoriate, hamstring, tax silly, and ankle-bite the energy companies for the last 40 years.

426 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:56:14 am reply quote

re: #407 incanus

I get the difference between term and whole life. However, as you get older term gets more expensive. Not all insurance agents are con artists. I know anyone who wants to help me invest my money wants a piece of it and as long as they're willing to be honest about how they do that, I can make a good decision.

and, hey, it is your money. Do as you wish. heh.

However, his suggestion is that your money better serves you earning more in a fund than it does in the whole life type insurance plans.

427 Dianna  4/25/08 11:56:24 am reply quote

re: #398 BulgarWheat

Isn't it, though?

Every penny you put in savings earns interest. The interest earns interest! It is a lever.

If people would understand that, in their bones, they'd do a lot better.

428 BulgarWheat  4/25/08 11:56:41 am reply quote

re: #408 LanceKates

You'll get there.

Good afternoon PK! Good to see you!

I see you have implemented BabbaZee's Dingahad!

ululululululululululu!

429 Peacekeeper  4/25/08 11:56:45 am reply quote

re: #421 Occasional Reader

Oh. My. God.

There's a sale at Pennies?

430 medaura18586  4/25/08 11:56:51 am reply quote

re: #29 zombie

Zombie!

So glad to see you're back! I missed you a lot and I'm sure many others have.

I dropped you an email. Did you by any chance get it?

431 loppyd  4/25/08 11:57:14 am reply quote

re: #424 loppyd

She needs to STFU.

How about passing McCain's proposed summer break from the gasoline tax, Madame Speakah?

Just noticed the date on that - DUH.

What a fool.

She still should encourage the House to pass the gas tax bill.

432 LanceKates  4/25/08 11:57:16 am reply quote

re: #417 coquimbojoe

I sometimes have to turn of the fan to start the car....

mine isn't that bad... my car runs well enough, though it has a BIT of a wobble at 70mph.

433 beblebrox  4/25/08 11:57:23 am reply quote

re: #384 LanceKates

I hear that alot. It is drivel.

That justification will be used in a few elections for Republicans to vote for a socialist instead of an out and out communist.

If the Republicans abandon conservatives for the sake of running a moderate-liberal, then they deserve to get the votes that a moderate-liberal would get.

If they lose because conservatives don't vote for him, but go third party, it is the fault of only one group: The RNC.

It is not my duty to vote RNC, it is the RNC's duty to run a conservative.

great. the problem is, there isn't a conservative running. and with the national mood ATM, there isn't a snowball's chance in hell one could get elected. I'm sorry, but the Communist/Socialist argument doesn't hold water. that isn't the choice we are facing in this election, and i'll cross that bridge if and when we ever come to it. right now, all i care about is the War on Radical Islam. It cannot be postponed, or put on hold for 4 to 8 years. we cannot have the courts packed by hillary or obama and expect to survive as a nation in our current form. I will not make a Faustian bargain with America.

434 Rogue198  4/25/08 11:57:54 am reply quote

re: #409 RickZ

I did 30 day searches. Sorry, but I must have skipped that day.

No problem, I just knew that no posts in six months didn't sound right so I did between Jan/08 and today. I found my last before today was April 2nd. *shrugs* No problem...probably just a server hiccup. I was plus-ing a bunch earlier. And like I said, I did accidently favorite, then immediately delete as favorite your post.

435 BulgarWheat  4/25/08 11:58:00 am reply quote

re: #429 Peacekeeper

PK! Good to see you. That was the finest DingaHad I've ever seen!

"no one was safe, they said............"

436 jcm  4/25/08 11:58:14 am reply quote

re: #402 coquimbojoe

Race you.... very, very gently.

My dad had 300K on his Toyota pickup, it was going strong. Till he took a deer in the grill. The salvage almost covered the tow bill.

437 BabbaZee  4/25/08 11:58:16 am reply quote

Peacekeeper, lol

438 Occasional Reader  4/25/08 11:58:23 am reply quote

I have all my savings invested in commemorative plates.
I can't miss!

439 incanus  4/25/08 11:58:30 am reply quote

re: #416 BulgarWheat

I wish 3 Wood was here. He's our resident financial and investment guru.

I noticed after 5 or so years at my job I can depend on my 401K to grow roughly 12-14%. Not astounding from a year to year basis, but over 17 years the results are wonderful. Patience has paid off.

Compounded interest, truly the 7th wonder of the world!

There are other investments where I can make compounded interest, like stocks (which is where most of your 401(k) is, really). However, you haven't paid any taxes on your 401(k) money, at all, so it's growing tax free. Assuming tax rates don't go crazy, that's a good future. What happens when Obama gets in tehre (or someone like him) and says "Ok, all these people who got rich in the 90s and 2000s need to pay their fair share, so all 401(k) withdrawals will now be taxed at 75%". Couldn't happen?

I'm feeling better about diversifying. I want a 401(k), some stocks and bonds, and whatever other investments make sense.

Still learning ...

440 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  4/25/08 11:58:43 am reply quote

re: #435 BulgarWheat

PK! Good to see you. That was the finest DingaHad I've ever seen!

"no one was safe, they said............"

First they dinged the trolls...

441 BulgarWheat  4/25/08 11:58:52 am reply quote

re: #437 BabbaZee

PK is the ultimate Dingahad Warrior!

442 rawmuse  4/25/08 11:59:14 am reply quote

re: #427 Dianna

That kind of thinking is dangerous to politicians who want a permanent, dependent class!

443 Occasional Reader  4/25/08 11:59:23 am reply quote

re: #424 loppyd

She needs to STFU.

How about passing McCain's proposed summer break from the gasoline tax, Madame Speakah?

Actually, I don't think that's a good idea. Tiny relief in price, which will take a big hit out of money needed for transport infrastructure.

444 incanus  4/25/08 11:59:42 am reply quote

re: #426 LanceKates

and, hey, it is your money. Do as you wish. heh.

However, his suggestion is that your money better serves you earning more in a fund than it does in the whole life type insurance plans.

Could be! I need to learn more.

(ROFL at PK)

445 Silhouette  4/25/08 11:59:43 am reply quote

re: #436 jcm

My dad had 300K on his Toyota pickup, it was going strong. Till he took a deer in the grill. The salvage almost covered the tow bill.

My car after college was so worthless that it doubled in value every time I filled the 8-gallon tank.

446 BulgarWheat  4/25/08 11:59:43 am reply quote

re: #439 incanus

good thinking. Don't put all your eggs in one basket. the law of averages are on your side.

447 buzzsawmonkey  4/25/08 11:59:59 am reply quote

Peacekeeper--got that dingfinger stuck on stupid?

448 opnion  4/25/08 12:00:00 pm reply quote

This old fool has a Napoleonic complex, The NC Republican party should take orders from him?
He constantly disrespect's his own party, especially conservatives.
He told Chris Matthews that he will not stand for 'Swift boating" by either side through 527's
Two things , you and your "Dear Friend" Russ Feingiold made the 527's possible. The other is , the Swifties are honorable men & told the truth.
McCain views the base much like Obama views PA crackers.
I am not being critical, but do any of you who supported him in the primaries have buyers remorse?

449 Widow'smight  4/25/08 12:00:23 pm reply quote

re: #380 incanus

You have to be able to deal with more frequent repairs and the rattles when keeping vehicles for a long time. Gas mileage goes down after awhile too, and it seemed worth it until the Donkeys took over Congress.

450 BabbaZee  4/25/08 12:00:24 pm reply quote

re: #441 BulgarWheat

PK is the ultimate Dingahad Warrior!



ULULULULULLULULULLULLU!

451 Occasional Reader  4/25/08 12:00:41 pm reply quote

re: #432 LanceKates

mine isn't that bad... my car runs well enough, though it has a BIT of a wobble at 70mph.

Mine is nominally rated to 143 mph. I've never... tested that.

452 Persian Shoe  4/25/08 12:00:48 pm reply quote

OT

Shark Attack news conference on Fox now.

Dumbest question ever, " Why the the shark attack"

What a Dumbass.

It was fucking hungry.

453 Silhouette  4/25/08 12:00:51 pm reply quote

re: #438 Occasional Reader

I have all my savings invested in commemorative plates.
I can't miss!

One of my pet peeves is the phrase, "That is going be worth money some day."

Worth money, as opposed to what?

455 jcm  4/25/08 12:02:03 pm reply quote

re: #445 Silhouette

My car after college was so worthless that it doubled in value every time I filled the 8-gallon tank.

I had a '76 Plymouth Volaire in school, POS rusted body, but that 223 CID slant six with 3-speed stick was bullet proof.

456 incanus  4/25/08 12:02:19 pm reply quote

re: #449 Widow'smight

You have to be able to deal with more frequent repairs and the rattles when keeping vehicles for a long time. Gas mileage goes down after awhile too, and it seemed worth it until the Donkeys took over Congress.

I live in the People's Republic of Minnesota ... I can take public transportation!

/boom

Wow, what happened, I blacked out there for a sec.

457 BulgarWheat  4/25/08 12:02:33 pm reply quote

re: #450 BabbaZee

more ululating, less bitching, says I!

hmm, that sounded very Pirate-ish. I hope I haven't turned on the Ultra-Violet Pirate Thread Dissimilator!

458 Silhouette  4/25/08 12:02:33 pm reply quote

re: #452 Persian Shoe

OT

Shark Attack news conference on Fox now.

Dumbest question ever, " Why the the shark attack"

What a Dumbass.

It was fucking hungry.

This could be fun.

Why did the shark attack?

Global warming?

US foreign "policies" drove him to it?

Poverty?

Humiliation?

459 loppyd  4/25/08 12:02:33 pm reply quote

re: #443 Occasional Reader

Actually, I don't think that's a good idea. Tiny relief in price, which will take a big hit out of money needed for transport infrastructure.

MMmmkay.

English please. LOL

460 Occasional Reader  4/25/08 12:02:45 pm reply quote

re: #452 Persian Shoe

Dumbest question ever, " Why the the shark attack"

Why do they hate us?