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McCain: NC Republicans 'Out of Touch with Reality'

Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 10:40:46 am PDT

John McCain attacks the North Carolina GOP: McCain says N.C. Republicans out of touch over ad.

In an NBC interview aired on Friday, the Arizona senator said he has done all he can to persuade the state party to cancel the television ad that criticizes Obama as “too extreme” because of controversial remarks made by his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

“They’re not listening to me because they’re out of touch with reality and the Republican Party. We are the party of Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan and this kind of campaigning is unacceptable,” McCain told NBC’s “Today” Show.

“I’ve done everything that I can to repudiate and to see that this kind of campaigning does not continue,” he added.

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1 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:41:31am

NO MONEY FOR YOU!

2 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:41:51am
3 incanus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:42:20am

McCain supported Reagan?

4 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:42:32am

John McCain is still stuck on stupid.

5 JamesTKirk  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:42:35am

McCain has no business discussing "reality" or any other concept with which he has no experience.

6 ORD neighbor  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:43:01am

Mixed signals? Deliberate deception? Indirect maneuver inspired by Sun Tzu? "Maskirovka"? "Dezinformatsiya"? Or just plain bad idea? Wait and see. Oh well.

7 AuntAcid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:43:37am

"Can't we all just get along?"

8 brainsample  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:43:46am

Yesterday I suggested that McCain is doing this to give the ad national exposure. At this point, I'm not so sure.

9 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:44:09am

That is because they are "mavericks".

10 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:44:15am

Lincoln, T.R. and Ronald Reagan would all have been appalled by "Rev." Wright's

"God Damn America"

and they would have said so, Mr. McCain.

I have a hard time remaining civil in my comments about BHO and the Democratic Party so I'll quit now.

11 Racer X  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:44:31am

He won't be happy until Obama is president?

John, get a freakin' clue. Your main plan right now should be to let everyone else attack Obama (especially Hillary). Let them battle it out. Do not jump in. Yet.

12 Diamond Bullet  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:44:50am

This is why I have issues with (as far as I can tell) basically having no choice but voting for McCain. Obama spends 20 years dragging his family to listen to a guy who thinks the U.S. government invented AIDS to get back at black people, and it's not relevant?

13 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:44:57am

mccain is out of touch with conservatives, the Republican Party, and REALITY!

Vote R in your local elections.

14 RickZ  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:45:12am

What in the wide, wide world of sports is McCain trying to do, pull another Bob Dole?

15 Pastorius  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:45:21am

Well, you have to admit, John McCain is very mature.

16 pat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:45:23am

Everyday there is less to like about McCain.

17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:45:23am

Sigh.

Telling them to stop once and letting it rest was a strategy.

Getting into a pissing contest is McCain being a dumb ass

18 beblebrox  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:45:28am

personally i think it's politically brilliant. disavow yourself, giving yourself plausible deniability, while at the same time propelling a state ad to national prominence.

19 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:45:33am

one liberal, one socialist, and one marxist. these are our choices in 2008?

Juan McCain should STFU and let those of us in North Carolina decide what kinds of adds we need for a Gubernatorial race.

one liberal, one socialist, and one marxist, how Effin' disappointing!

20 Spiritualized  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:45:50am

Probably a calculated move, the ad will still go out and McCain can claim he's above petty name-calling or some such.

21 Pastorius  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:46:30am

Abraham Lincoln would have been a-ok with Jeremiah Wright's remarks.

/// sarc. off

22 itellu3times  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:46:30am

McCain is right on the edge of senility. I have some concerns that he doesn't disqualify himself between now and November. As to the odds of him making it through even a first four-year term, I dunno.

Yeah, his mother. Would you want her as president?

23 pyjoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:46:31am

He is an idiot.

24 pat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:46:31am

McCain/Obama 08

25 AuntAcid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:46:40am

re: #8 brainsample

Yesterday I suggested that McCain is doing this to give the ad national exposure. At this point, I'm not so sure.

"Senator, can I interest you in some bullet proof shoes?"

26 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:46:40am

"I'm a Republican and I'm a maverick, damn it, and if you don't listen to me and do as I say you're out of touch!"

/Juan McCain

27 Diamond Bullet  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:46:42am

re: #18 beblebrox

personally i think it's politically brilliant. disavow yourself, giving yourself plausible deniability, while at the same time propelling a state ad to national prominence.

See, what's what I hoped at first - it was McCain and the NC Repubs working both sides.

But I don't think that any longer.

28 Tumulus11  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:46:56am

. I want more Jeremiah Wright and more cowbell.

29 zombie  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:47:10am

The key scene in the film "The Candidate" starring Robert Redford (from the '70s) is when he is talking with a strategist, who informs Redford -- who has been recruited somewhat unwillingly to be a gubernatorial candidate -- that the reason they're conducted such a lame campaign is that the goal is for him to LOSE. I forget the plot intricacies of why, but Redford eventually shakes off his handlers and goes off to actually win.

Watching McCain's campaign, I am reminded of that film -- they seem intent on losing on purpose, as if that was some kind of clever counter-intuitive goal.

30 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:47:17am

I need to find something to cling to.

31 bosforus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:47:18am

I heard a sound clip from the head of the RNC in NC this morning say the exact same thing but in reverse. She basically said he doesn't understand the political atmosphere in NC. I'm going to have to obviously side with NC in this case. McCain's idea of 'reailty' is doing whatever he can to keep the dems happy. Hopefully, come the general election, he'll turn on 'em. But I'm definitely not counting on it.

32 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:47:38am

re: #18 beblebrox

personally i think it's politically brilliant. disavow yourself, giving yourself plausible deniability, while at the same time propelling a state ad to national prominence.

I would agree, except I'm pretty sure he's completely serious.

33 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:47:42am
they’re out of touch with reality and the Republican Party.

I believe it's called "projection".

34 brainwizard73  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:48:09am

Hold on, I have a crazy theory here.

It is possible, just possible, that McCain is mad because this material was going to feature in some great ads later and springing them now gives the Obama campaign time to wait out the effect?

...Nope.

Not possible, damn, I thought we had someone with a mind, here.

I guess people you associate with and judgment aren't important issues for the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!

35 itellu3times  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:48:12am

Give the man a waffle, and leave him in peace.

36 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:48:17am

re: #30 Killgore Trout

I need to find something to cling to.

Atheists tend to have that problem. ;)

37 chinesearithmetic  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:48:19am

What he should have said was, "I am running against Barack Obama, not Jeremiah Wright." The lecture was unnecessary.

38 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:48:31am

re: #24 pat

Spock Yoda '08

39 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:48:31am
40 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:49:10am

LanceKates: McCain 'Out of Touch with Conservatives'

41 rageman  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:49:11am

Another "diss" to the conservatives. McCain better pick a heck of a good VP.

42 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:49:15am

O'Reilly had a couple of mindreaders on last night and these learned Ph.D.'s concluded this is all a nefarious plot by McCain to stay above the fray while tacitly supporting the ad.

/They're not fooled.

43 jdun  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:49:28am

How is it worst when Obama called all Republican Voters Racist? If Obama can't take the heat he should get out of the kitchen.

44 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:49:33am

Rush said money was pouring into NC Republican HQ.
I was very proud of Ms Daves for standing up to mccain.

45 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:50:01am

re: #36 rawmuse

...but I'll always have porn.

46 Fasternu426  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:50:33am

WTF? Does he NOT want to win?

Like Barry Hussein Osama will respond in kind...

47 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:50:49am

re: #38 Ojoe

Spock Yoda '08

The Doctor/Captain Kirk '08

48 bosforus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:51:14am

re: #29 zombie

You'd think McCain would've learned a lesson or two after nearly drowning his campaign last summer.

49 mj  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:51:31am

I liked what McCain said here:

Jennifer Rubin asked if Obama has given an unhelpful signal to Hamas? McCain responded that it’s clear who Hamas wants to be President. So does Daniel Ortega. “I will be Hamas’ worst nightmare,” said McCain. McCain noted that Iran is stepping up their export of explosives to Iraq, and they wouldn’t want him to be President either. New slogan: John McCain: The candidate America’s enemies least favorite.

[Link: www.theamericanmind.com...]

50 vxbush  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:51:40am

re: #38 Ojoe

Spock Yoda '08

Hear hear! I would vote for that ticket in a heartbeat.

51 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:51:42am

re: #28 Tumulus11

. I want more Jeremiah Wright and more cowbell.

Me too! Especially the cowbell.

52 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:51:43am

re: #47 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

You know they'd be better.

53 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:51:48am

That's like the pot calling the kettle black.

/Was that racist?

54 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:52:18am
55 brainwizard73  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:52:21am

The best:

Obama says to MSM media that "McCain could pull the ad if he wanted to."

Will the MSM remember that when MoveOn.org has an and with McCain, Osama Bin Laden, a goat and three gallons of lubricant?

Sorry for the mental image, but I bet no one would remind Obama about his statement charging McCain with the task of removing an ad by another group.

56 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:52:46am

re: #50 vxbush

Can we have Teal'c as Secretary of Defense?

57 vxbush  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:52:47am

re: #47 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

The Doctor/Captain Kirk '08

Alienist!

/

58 zombie  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:52:48am

Here's an interesting possibility:

McCain is actually signalling to US -- we independent bloggers.

Here's what he's saying:

"I will take the high road -- absolutely no negative ads, and I will not attack my opponents. Strictly a positive 'message campaign.'

However, that means it is up to YOU, my unaffiliated supporters, to be my attack dogs. I want you to take Obama (or Hillary) down, yet I also want to be able to honestly disassociate myself from you."

That way, we get the best of both worlds.

We'll SwiftBlog Obama while McCain keeps his hands clean.

How about it? I'm OK with that.

59 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:52:58am

re: #43 jdun

How is it worst when Obama called all Republican Voters Racist? If Obama can't take the heat he should get out of the kitchen.

If you said that about Hillary, you'd be sexist!

60 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:53:05am

All he had to say was, "The NC Republicans acted independently of our campaign. We had no prior knowledge of the ad and we cannot prevent them from acting as they see fit."

McCain tends to be a little self-righteous about how upright and moral he is, so he felt he had to say something to protect his self-image. This is why even if McCain becomes president, he will never be the leader of the Republican Party.

61 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:53:24am

Hey, I like that ad up top with F. Lee Levin on it.

62 Acumen  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:53:27am

McCain is the one who is "out of touch with reality ". Senator McCain, let's just think of it as most of us conservative Republicans are just mavericks like you! Yes you are doing a great job of winning back the conservative base - keep up the great work.

63 brainwizard73  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:53:42am

re: #58 zombie

From your keyboard to McCain's ears...

64 Cicero05  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:53:49am

Every time I think I can cast a vote for the guy, he opens his mouth and says something stupid.

PLEASE stick to your biography and shut up about politics and policy.

65 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:53:50am

re: #52 Ojoe

You know they'd be better.

Yep.

We have a Time Lord, who doesn't give second chances to anyone and can regenerate, at the top of the ticket, and to charm the wives of foreign leaders as VP.

66 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:53:57am

He bites the hand that feeds him. Again.

This is quite the trend McCain has. He has no problem going soft on his political opponents across the aisle, but will unleash all kinds of craziness on those within the GOP who cross him - even by running accurate ads about Obama and Clinton.

No wonder so many in the GOP are going to be holding their nose when they vote in November. The stink from this election is almost too much to bear.

67 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:54:03am

re: #58 zombie

Fine with me

68 beblebrox  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:54:07am

re: #27 Diamond Bullet

See, what's what I hoped at first - it was McCain and the NC Repubs working both sides.

But I don't think that any longer.

I dunno. I have no reason to not believe it. it would take a lot to convince me that any politician wasn't a conniving S.O.B.

69 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:54:07am

re: #57 vxbush

Alienist!

/


lol

70 nyc redneck  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:54:11am

does mccain want to win this thing?
sheesh.

71 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:54:19am

re: #58 zombie

Here's an interesting possibility:

McCain is actually signalling to US -- we independent bloggers.

Here's what he's saying:

"I will take the high road -- absolutely no negative ads, and I will not attack my opponents. Strictly a positive 'message campaign.'

However, that means it is up to YOU, my unaffiliated supporters, to be my attack dogs. I want you to take Obama (or Hillary) down, yet I also want to be able to honestly disassociate myself from you."

That way, we get the best of both worlds.

We'll SwiftBlog Obama while McCain keeps his hands clean.

How about it? I'm OK with that.

Plausible.

Even if not, he's already being accused of it.

So he may as well proceed.

72 trailortrash  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:54:40am

re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sigh.

Telling them to stop once and letting it rest was a strategy.

Getting into a pissing contest is McCain being a dumb ass

agreed .

73 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:55:02am

re: #58 zombie

Swiftblogging -- is that original? I like it very much.

74 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:55:04am

re: #71 JammieWearingFool

Plausible.

Even if not, he's already being accused of it.

So he may as well proceed.

So one can have one's cake and eat it too!

75 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:55:06am

"The last thing he's qualified to give a tour of is reality."
/Seinfeld on Kramer - it works here, too.

76 hrhamilton  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:55:34am

The major disappointment that I have seen with the Republican leadership over the years, and I speak as a lifelong Republican, is that they ain't got no fight in them. They don't fight for what they believe in, which probably explains why they keep losing support. All I see from the Republicans are reasons to not vote for them. Where is a third party when you need one?

77 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:56:01am

"Swiftblogging" good rotating title.

78 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:56:32am

re: #58 zombie

I made that observation yesterday, but he's straining credulity by going after the NC GOP in this way.

79 coquimbojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:56:36am

Hey, Johnny, here's the reality, you are/were one of the worst of the republican candidates. You are only there because independent and Democrats voted for you in open primaries. They are not going to vote for you in the general. And quite frankly, many of us may not either.

80 Cognito  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:56:48am

I think John McCain simply knows what he's doing.

Obama and Hillary are slapping each other so hard and so fast right now that neither of them -- whoever wins the Democratic primary -- will emerge undamaged. McCain, meanwhile, has quietly taken the high road. Perhaps a bit too high for some people's tastes, but it's a sound strategy nonetheless: Why trade blows with your opponents when they're already pummeling each other?

81 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:57:02am

re: #74 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

So one can have one's cake and eat it too!

Mmm. Cake.

I already had some today!

82 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:57:25am

re: #58 zombie

There is something to that. After all, Bush distanced himself from the Swift Boaters, and they proved to be most effective in defeating Kerry.

BTW: it's good to see you back!

83 brainwizard73  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:57:32am

re: #76 hrhamilton

The third party is confined to the Capitol broom closet since that is about how much power third parties have in our "first past the post" election system.

Besides, the Dems should split up before the GOP.

Imagine Democrat Balkanization (without the actual violence)...

84 toomanysnax  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:57:45am

C'mon. You folks are all wrong, wrong, wrong. I got this in the mail today. We really need to ponder this.

"We in Holland cannot figure out why you are even bothering to hold an election.

"On the Democrat side, you have a bitch who is a lawyer, married to a bastard lawyer, and a lawyer who is married to a bitch who is a lawyer.

"On the Republican side, you have a true war hero married to a beautiful blond with a huge chest who owns a beer distributorship.

Is there really a contest here?"

85 Fasternu426  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:57:47am

re: #58 zombie

I sure hope so.

I'd still rather have a Ted Nugent / R Lee Ermey '08 ticket, though.

86 kayatribe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:58:07am

re: #18 beblebrox

Bingo.

If McCain, or the RNC, really wanted the ad to be pulled, the ad would be pulled.

By publicly criticizing the NC GOP, McCain offers the appearance of being above dirty politics. It helps to maintain the "Maverick" fiction. By keeping in the news cycle something that would have otherwise been largely ignored nationally, the NC ad gets played repeatedly - for free! - on major media outlets.

87 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:58:07am

Listen to what McCain said. He's disassociating from false accusations of racism which NONE of us need, since they ARE FALSE--i hope we can say that about our lizardly selves.

Since Obama supporters & campaign manager Plouffe have said only racists will vote for McCain, it's good to point out McCain's Republican party IS the party of Lincoln (Emancipators), Teddy Roosevelt (trust busting & national park building & sending the US Navy round the world) & Ronald Reagan (who had democrats defecting to Reagan republicanism).

Republicans had women & black candidates for president first, and they were spirited, respectful candidacies.

Let the Dems wallow in their swillish stuff, WE don't need to go there.

88 coquimbojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:58:18am

re: #58 zombie

Here's an interesting possibility:

McCain is actually signalling to US -- we independent bloggers.

Here's what he's saying:

"I will take the high road -- absolutely no negative ads, and I will not attack my opponents. Strictly a positive 'message campaign.'

However, that means it is up to YOU, my unaffiliated supporters, to be my attack dogs. I want you to take Obama (or Hillary) down, yet I also want to be able to honestly disassociate myself from you."

That way, we get the best of both worlds.

We'll SwiftBlog Obama while McCain keeps his hands clean.

How about it? I'm OK with that.

Dammit Zombie, you have put truth to the old saying 'a day without zombie, is like a day with out sunshine'. Good to see you back!

89 JamesTKirk  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:58:23am

re: #31 bosforus...McCain's idea of 'reailty' is doing whatever he can to keep the dems happy. Hopefully, come the general election, he'll turn on 'em...

Why? They're his constituency!

Ain't nobody in the race working for us. Nobody.

90 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:58:28am

I just wish we had a conservative to vote for.

A Conservative is not the same as 'more conservative than a socialist'

91 Sunlight  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:58:30am

Seems like MCCAIN Feingold campaign finance reform has taken leadership ability away from the candidates. If he wishes he were the repub mainly in control of the message (which always made sense to me! before MFreform), then he should get rid of the reform and let the chips fall where they may. To complain now, when it's working just as he set it up, is sort of silly. Freedom, not govt control!

92 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:58:41am

re: #80 Cognito

Somebody get me a drink... I just agreed with a Cognito post!

93 brent  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:58:52am

I wanted to think McCain is being tone deaf to the Right with this move, but I think he's playing this all kinds of smart. He gets to take the moral high ground, ala Obama, say he's running a clean, high-minded campaign.

And everyone talks about the ad, and the news outlets keep playing the clip of that tool saying "G*d D*** America..!".

Bravo sir, I may have misunderestimated you!

/W off

94 badsysop  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:58:53am

Hello. I'm John McCain and I do not support ads promoting my candidacy unless everybody is smiling, happy, and appear medicated.

95 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:58:58am

re: #85 Fasternu426

I sure hope so.

I'd still rather have a Ted Nugent / R Lee Ermey '08 ticket, though.

Hunting would not only be allowed, but required.

and we'd each get a watermelon to target practice with.

96 nyc redneck  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:59:05am

i guess it is racist to even mention the "messiah"? and any 'person of color' connected to him.

97 Cognito  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:59:17am

re: #58 zombie

Here's an interesting possibility:

McCain is actually signalling to US -- we independent bloggers.

What's the frequency, Zombie?... ;)

(Time to step away from the keyboard for a bit?)

98 zombie  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:59:18am

re: #73 doppelganglander

Swiftblogging -- is that original? I like it very much.

Yeah, I just made it up as I was typing!

99 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:59:22am
100 zombie  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:59:55am

re: #77 Ojoe

"Swiftblogging" good rotating title.

Swiftblog! Swiftblog!

101 sojerofgod  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:59:55am

Here is my official I heart McCain T-shirt.

Some people piss ya off so bad ya just gotta love'em!

He certainly does.

102 JamesTKirk  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:59:56am

re: #41 rageman

Another "diss" to the conservatives. McCain better pick a heck of a good VP.

I fail to see how that makes a significant difference. He won't listen to anyone, not even his VP, who disagrees with him. Other than breaking ties in the Senate, a VP has exactly zero power an influence beyond what the President allows him.

103 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 10:59:59am

re: #95 LanceKates

Hunting would not only be allowed, but required.

and we'd each get a watermelon to target practice with.

Ted Nugent for Secretary of Homeland Security!

104 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:00:11am
105 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:00:33am

re: #39 buzzsawmonkey

heh!

106 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:00:38am

If it isn't racist to call David Duke a racist, then it isn't racist to call "Rev" Wright a racist.

That's how it works.

107 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:00:39am

re: #80 Cognito

Why trade blows with your opponents when they're already pummeling each other?

That's all fine and good if he wants to wait until after the convention, but why attack your own supporters? That's suicide.

108 JamesTKirk  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:00:39am

re: #47 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

The Doctor/Captain Kirk '08

Wait, why am I #2?

109 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:01:12am

re: #80 Cognito

He needs to stay in the fray to remain in the public eye - or else suffer the same problem as all the other politicians who thought they could stay out of the limelight for weeks and months on end and win elections.

Had he stopped with yesterday's comments, that would have been enough (*Dayenu!*) but he's instead chosen to drop 50 and fire for effect on the NC GOP.

He's going to need the state and local GOP to get the vote out for him, and if he's so quick to go after the NC GOP, why would anyone else go out and do work for him?

110 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:01:19am

Consider this ad was targeted for NC only. In years gone by, that's only who would've seen it. Now it's viral and actually it's pointless even paying to air it now.

Obama has already suffered more damage from it, and now it appears he's in trouble in Indiana.

Operation Chaos, baby!

111 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:01:24am

re: #106 LanceKates

If it isn't racist to call David Duke a racist, then it isn't racist to call "Rev" Wright a racist.

That's how it works.

Racist!

112 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:01:27am

Is it not true that he needs disavow connection to this and the future 527 commercials soon to come? Why does he have to own them. He needs deny, to disavow. The goal is to sit them out as bystander and reap reward.

/just a driveby

113 Fasternu426  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:01:41am

re: #95 LanceKates

Hunting would not only be allowed, but required.

and we'd each get a watermelon to target practice with.

I hate watermelons!

114 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:01:41am

re: #18 beblebrox

personally i think it's politically brilliant. disavow yourself, giving yourself plausible deniability, while at the same time propelling a state ad to national prominence.

* * *
Thank you. McCain's conserving campaign war chest & staying above the fray, good things in my book. We need decent people to agree with decency & party of Lincoln's better angels of our nature.

McCain today in a blog interview did point out Hamas supports Obama, while McCain is Hamas' nightmare.

We need the American people on board to fight Hamas & Carter's crew.

115 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:01:45am

re: #103 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Ted Nugent for Secretary of Homeland Security!

I watch his show on the Outdoor Channel.

He's a friggen hoot. I'd vote for "The Nuge"

116 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:01:47am

This must have been the way it happened to the Whigs.

117 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:01:54am

re: #108 JamesTKirk

Wait, why am I #2?


No offense, but I think The Doctor is a hottie. I mean, dude, he can travel in time!

118 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:02:24am

re: #108 JamesTKirk

Wait, why am I #2?

because sleeping with green women doesn't trump having the Tardis and a sonic screwdriver.

119 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:02:36am
120 sojerofgod  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:02:37am

re: #103 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


Isn't "Pulchritude" the same as er, what the germans call
"Grossebusten"?

121 brent  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:02:57am

What was the expression (I saw here yesterday)?

If your opponents are busy trying to eat each other, pass the salt and excuse yourself from the table..(?)

122 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:03:07am

re: #111 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Racist!

NO, not racist.

Typical White Person.

Oh wait.... racist. nevermind.

*grin*

123 zombie  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:03:07am

re: #80 Cognito

I think John McCain simply knows what he's doing.

Obama and Hillary are slapping each other so hard and so fast right now that neither of them -- whoever wins the Democratic primary -- will emerge undamaged. McCain, meanwhile, has quietly taken the high road. Perhaps a bit too high for some people's tastes, but it's a sound strategy nonetheless: Why trade blows with your opponents when they're already pummeling each other?

Exactly.

The time to go negative is late in the campaign. By doing it too early, you look mean-spirited and like you have no positive message of your own.

Also, there's little purpose to attacking the Dems until they have chosen a candidate. McCain may as well hold his fire and save his money until H or O is selected at the Dem convention. THEN start pummeling the nominee in September and October.

124 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:03:08am

re: #117 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

No offense, but I think The Doctor is a hottie. I mean, dude, he can travel in time!

So can Kirk - just ask Joan Collins

125 badsysop  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:03:21am

re: #102 JamesTKirk

I fail to see how that makes a significant difference. He won't listen to anyone, not even his VP, who disagrees with him. Other than breaking ties in the Senate, a VP has exactly zero power an influence beyond what the President allows him.

According to liberal democrats, our current VP is the devil himself... able to do all kinds of crazy stuff!

I think it does matter, though. AGE. The presidency can have an impact on his health. I'd much rather see a Fred Thompson VP than a Mike Huckabee. Whoever it is HAS to have more conservative credentials than McCain. I wouldn't put anything past that guy... McCain/Feingold 2008?

126 realwest  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:03:35am

Sorry for the hit and run post (and I haven't had the chance to read the thread, either) but I'm running late.
I have to say, as a North Carolina Republican, that John McCain is the one who is out of touch with reality.
Lincoln, Teddy and Reagan would ALL have jumped over that "Goddamn America" sermon with both feet - not because of race or religion, but for the sentiments expressed ABOUT AMERICA by a long term, extremely close associate and self-confessed spritual advisor of one of the three remaining folks who may be elected President of the United States.
Senator McCain may feel that running that ad (which I haven't seen down here in N.C. btw) is hitting someone below the belt; I think it's hitting someone in their heart. Whether or not Senator Obama, as his wife has explicity said, HATES or DOES NOT RESPECT, The United States of America is a very valid and straight to the point question of a candidate for POTUS.

127 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:03:40am

re: #118 LanceKates

because sleeping with green women doesn't trump having the Tardis and a sonic screwdriver.

Got it in one!

Although the lazers are kinda cool, too. But the sonic screw driver has so many, many uses.

128 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:03:47am

re: #113 Fasternu426

no youtube at work.

129 Sunlight  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:03:48am

re: #94 badsysop

LOL!

130 Fasternu426  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:04:04am

re: #125 badsysop

McCain / JC Watts!

131 toomanysnax  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:04:07am

re: #106 LanceKates

If it isn't racist to call David Duke a racist, then it isn't racist to call "Rev" Wright a racist.

That's how it works.


Has anyone out there read Obama's first book, Dreams of my Father? I'm on page 130 in the paperback and cannot believe what I am reading! Obama thinks Macolm X had it right. If I inserted the word "white" everywhere "black" is used, the book would be banned. Please, get it, read it and pass it along. We have to stop this creep!

132 Racer X  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:04:21am

re: #84 toomanysnax

On the Democrat side, you have a bitch who is a lawyer, married to a bastard lawyer, and a lawyer who is married to a bitch who is a lawyer.

On the Republican side, you have a true war hero married to a beautiful blond with a huge chest who owns a beer distributorship.

Is there really a contest here?


Worth repeating.

133 Cognito  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:04:28am

re: #130 Fasternu426

McCain / JC Watts!

My dream team.

Where on earth is Watts, anyway?

134 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:04:37am

re: #110 JammieWearingFool

This ad is for the North Carolina Gubernatorial race and is not at all associated with McCain's run. Trust me, we have some tax and spend marxists down here that need to be called on the carpet.

McCain needs to get his nose out of this one.

135 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:04:40am

re: #113 Fasternu426

I hate watermelons!


What do you got against watermelons?

136 vxbush  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:04:51am

re: #117 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

No offense, but I think The Doctor is a hottie. I mean, dude, he can travel in time!

Heh; I just watched "City on the Edge of Forever" last night. Cosmic timing, I tell ya.

137 Fasternu426  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:04:56am

re: #128 LanceKates

Was a Mail Call commercial... had watermelons. Did I mention I hate watermelons?

138 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:04:58am

re: #114 alegrias

* * *
Thank you. McCain's conserving campaign war chest & staying above the fray, good things in my book. We need decent people to agree with decency & party of Lincoln's better angels of our nature.

McCain today in a blog interview did point out Hamas supports Obama, while McCain is Hamas' nightmare.

We need the American people on board to fight Hamas & Carter's crew.

So.... NC GOP playing clips of Obama's Spiritual Mentor = Bad

Saying that Obama is Hamas' pick = Good.

?

139 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:05:14am

re: #64 Cicero05

Every time I think I can cast a vote for the guy, he opens his mouth and says something stupid.

PLEASE stick to your biography and shut up about politics and policy.


* * *
McCain is the only one out of the three who wants to WIN against terrorists.

Why would you reject the one candidate who backed the surge in Iraq, and supports our troops, and wants our country to unite to WIN, if you are on this anti-terrorist website?

140 Fasternu426  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:05:33am

re: #133 Cognito

Earning money like a good American!

141 JamesTKirk  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:05:43am

re: #117 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

No offense, but I think The Doctor is a hottie. I mean, dude, he can travel in time!

So can I. Want to meet my humpbacked whales?

142 Fasternu426  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:06:02am

re: #135 Kenneth

What do you got against watermelons?

I stand corrected...

143 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:06:08am

re: #120 sojerofgod

Isn't "Pulchritude" the same as er, what the germans call
"Grossebusten"?


I don't understand German, but I somehow got the gist of the meaning of the word "Grosebusten", and no. In my case Pulchritudeinous is defined as: (adj) Characterized by or having great physical beauty and appeal.

An old boyfriend of mine suggested the nicname when I was angsting over what to call myself.

144 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:06:14am

re: #127 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Got it in one!

Although the lazers are kinda cool, too. But the sonic screw driver has so many, many uses.

It's nice to have another Dr. Who fan around.

:D

145 kahall  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:06:28am

What exactly is supposed to be wrong with the ad? I have seen it and it is nothing but the truth. I guess it hurts.

146 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:06:47am

re: #131 toomanysnax

Read the section about how his grandmother was harassed by an aggressive pan-handler at the bus station. It contradicts the version Obama gave in his "race" speech about his grandma being a "typical white person" (ie. afraid of Negroes)

147 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:06:52am

re: #133 Cognito

My dream team.

Where on earth is Watts, anyway?

He pulled out of Politics and is living a nice life, quiet with his family.

148 Racer X  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:06:53am

Question:

Who won NC in 2004? Bush or Kerry?

149 Eagle  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:07:10am

re: #18 beblebrox

personally i think it's politically brilliant. disavow yourself, giving yourself plausible deniability, while at the same time propelling a state ad to national prominence.

I want to believe that.

Maybe he has a strategy. Time will tell.

150 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:07:10am

re: #109 lawhawk

He's going to need the state and local GOP to get the vote out for him, and if he's so quick to go after the NC GOP, why would anyone else go out and do work for him?

Exactly. True to his maverick image, he doesn't want our help. Fine by me- he can do it himself.

151 Vinegar Joe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:07:20am

McCain's the one out of touch with reality. By pissing off the very people he needs to be elected, he's guaranteeing that this time next year, he'll be sitting in his living room in Arizona writing his memoirs and crying in his beer.

152 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:07:21am

re: #137 Fasternu426

Was a Mail Call commercial... had watermelons. Did I mention I hate watermelons?

I've eaten watermelons busted apart in many ways, but never one that was shot apart...

hmm...

153 JamesTKirk  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:07:45am

re: #139 alegrias

McCain is the only one out of the three who wants to WIN against terrorists.

He wants to win by closing Gitmo, by failing to secure our borders, etc. Not a plan that fills me with confidence.

154 nyc redneck  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:07:50am

it is very relevant who obama associated w/. all these unsavory people reflect on his character. the voter has a right to have this information.
btw,is it also 'racist' to discuss william ayers. a terrorist who wished he could have bombed more. and a good friend of abama's.

155 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:07:52am

re: #124 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

So can Kirk - just ask Joan Collins

I don't get it. Sorry.

Speaking of Star Trek...did you see the article about the glasses that help blind people see? It's so Geordi LaForge! Which is the first thing I thought of when I read the article.

156 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:08:00am

re: #141 JamesTKirk

So can I. Want to meet my humpbacked whales?

Does that pickup line even work?

157 sojerofgod  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:08:04am

re: #135 Kenneth

Man that's an old pic!

Today all the skinny minnies would be calling that chick a fat pig!

give me a girl with meat on her bones any day,
Don't need no ribs to display.

158 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:08:30am

re: #141 JamesTKirk

So can I. Want to meet my humpbacked whales?


ROFL

159 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:08:30am

re: #134 BulgarWheat

This ad is for the North Carolina Gubernatorial race and is not at all associated with McCain's run. Trust me, we have some tax and spend marxists down here that need to be called on the carpet.

McCain needs to get his nose out of this one.

That's true. It still does Bambi damage though.

160 rightside  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:08:37am

re: #123 zombie


Good to see you back, zombie.

161 JamesTKirk  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:08:51am

re: #156 LanceKates

Does that pickup line even work?

You'd be surprised.

162 Spider Mensch  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:09:02am

a quick thought on this...maybe McCain is thinking cankles still has a chance and why waste time on obamaman? personally I still think thats why cankles is in the democrat fray still, something or a combination of things may be coming up to sink the hope & change ship of obama.

/probably off base, but who knows?

163 scrapiron  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:09:04am

McCain worries me, he has since his last run in SC when he ripped the religious right. Without them he loses.

164 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:09:08am

re: #153 JamesTKirk

He wants to win by closing Gitmo, by failing to secure our borders, etc. Not a plan that fills me with confidence.

exactly. fighting overseas loses its umph if we leave the backdoor open and allow congress to disarm civilians.

165 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:09:25am

re: #144 LanceKates

It's nice to have another Dr. Who fan around.

:D


It is! I don't feel like a geek anymore.

Have you seen any of the new season yet? I just love Donna!

166 yochanan  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:09:47am

RIGHT NOW
no reason for John McCain to attack obama the hildabeast is doing it right now. Fox and others are carrying the water on the rev wright issue.

167 Cognito  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:09:50am

Well I'm glad J.C. Watts is making mad cash and all that -- I'd love to give it a whirl myself -- but I do hope that if McCain calls on him, he answers. It seems to me that at some point a sense of duty to country could preempt money-making for a little while.

And let's be honest here. Becoming VP never sent anyone to the poorhouse.

168 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:09:58am

re: #161 JamesTKirk

You'd be surprised.

I need to rehab my stuff then.

I'm still using "Nice shoes, wanna breed?"

169 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:10:22am

re: #168 LanceKates

I need to rehab my stuff then.

I'm still using "Nice shoes, wanna breed?"

~snort~ lol

170 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:10:44am

re: #165 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

The most current one I've seen was the December 2007 Christmas one with the "Titanic"

I tend to watch it on BBC America and they just finished the episodes with Master.

171 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:10:48am

For those of you who don't know or may have forgotten--how media, leftists, centrists and democrats never forgave George Bush for what some racist South Carolinians said in February of 2000 about John & Cindy McCain's adopted daughter from Bangladesh, to win that primary in South Carolina.

President Bush however innocent of the charge of racism, will have it go down in history as the dirty South Carolina primary of 2000.

Please understand why McCain prefers to remain above-board.

172 JamesTKirk  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:10:49am

re: #166 yochanan

RIGHT NOW
no reason for John McCain to attack obama

No reason for him to attack the NC GOP to this extent either; except that, in any given conflict, he'll always target the GOP before the Dems.

173 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:10:49am

re: #168 LanceKates


I love men! Ya'll are so entertaining!

174 maddogg  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:10:56am

John,.....John. Try not to work so hard at fucking up your chances.

Try, instead, to get your head out of touch with the inside of your ass..

175 Fasternu426  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:11:08am

re: #167 Cognito

I really really really would love to see him on the ticket!

176 Rogue198  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:11:12am

I'm sure had McAmnesty sat in the pews before David Duke or Mitt Romney sat in the pews of the child rapist church in Texas for the past 20 years, it would also be considered a non-issue by snOb Hussein and his leftist slime.

The only tactical move I can see of this is when the inevitable MoveOn and other lefty lib 527 attack ads come, McAmnesty, having disavowed these can with credibility call on snOb to have them shut down.

177 JamesTKirk  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:11:25am

re: #168 LanceKates

I need to rehab my stuff then.

I'm still using "Nice shoes, wanna breed?"

"Do you sleep on your stomach? Can I?"

178 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:11:32am

re: #166 yochanan

RIGHT NOW
no reason for John McCain to attack obama the hildabeast is doing it right now. Fox and others are carrying the water on the rev wright issue.

There is also NO REASON for him to attack his base. He doesn't want to go after obama now- fine, but why attack republicans?

179 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:11:43am

re: #169 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

~snort~ lol

oddly enough the women I use that on don't snort and laugh.

rings make those slaps hurt.

*grin*

(I don't use pickup lines on women.... I"m a hermit. Gotta go out to meet women to use lines on them.)

180 yochanan  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:11:51am

re: #88 coquimbojoe

Dammit Zombie, you have put truth to the old saying 'a day without zombie, is like a day with out sunshine'. Good to see you back!

i second that.

181 Fasternu426  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:11:51am

re: #173 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

We get bored easily, 'splains lots.

182 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:11:52am

re: #172 JamesTKirk

GMTA!

183 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:11:56am

re: #155 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I don't get it. Sorry.

Speaking
of Star Trek...did you see the article about the glasses that help
blind people see? It's so Geordi LaForge! Which is the first thing I
thought of when I read the article.

It's a reference to the classic episode "City on the Edge of Forever," in which Kirk & Spock travel back to Depression era NYC. Kirk falls in love with a beautiful social worker, played by Joan Collins. It turns out that she will start a pacifist movement which delays the U.S. entry into WWII & thereby let the Nazis conquer the world. Joan had to die to save the future from Nazi rule.

184 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:12:02am

The evils of three lessers, day 199....

sigh

185 brent  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:12:07am

#155 Kirk / Collins..

Kirk / Spock went back to pre-WWII earth, met Joan Collins... He had to let her get hit by a car, or else the Nazis would have won the war.

"I'm attempting to make a computer using bearskins and stone knives"....

I am so embarrassed I remember that much....

186 chinesearithmetic  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:12:13am

I saved an op-ed reprinted from The State, of Columbia, S.C., regarding McCain's loss to Bush in the 2000 S.C. primary. A Wall Street Journal columnist on The Capitol Gang dismissed Bush and urged his fellow pundits to look to Michigan, a "more real slice of life" than the Palmetto State, and the State man let him, and McCain, have it. Sad to say that McCain didn't learn that reality isn't just everybody like you. That's strike out in April. He gets three.

187 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:12:30am

re: #178 Sharmuta

There is also NO REASON for him to attack his base. He doesn't want to go after obama now- fine, but why attack republicans?

It is a long and well-documented habit with him. At his advanced years, I doubt if he will change now.

188 JamesTKirk  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:12:32am

re: #182 Sharmuta

GMTA!

And so do ours!

189 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:12:38am

re: #157 sojerofgod

It's actually a fairly recent picture of a model in Vancouver. She specializes in old-style cheescake and hippy-chick stuff. Typical Canadian left-coast culture.

But I do share your opinion on ribs.

190 sojerofgod  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:12:42am

re: #143 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
angsting?
I always knew you could have it, but I didn't know you could Do it, like that...

Perhaps in the grip if enuui?

Tell enuui to keep his filthy hands to himself!

191 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:12:50am

Rush just played the ad again.

Saturation coverage.

192 chinesearithmetic  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:12:52am

Oops, strike one in April! (Now batting, Sigmund Freud!)

193 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:13:16am

re: #170 LanceKates

The most current one I've seen was the December 2007 Christmas one with the "Titanic"

I tend to watch it on BBC America and they just finished the episodes with Master.


BitTorrent.

That said. I thought the last three with the Master were some of the best ever done. Way better than Rose's departure. Still, end of the first season (9 regenerating) was awesome too. You can't beat an episode with the Daleks. I thought that the whole Dalek/Cybermen thing was almost over the top.

I did cry when Rose said good bye to the Doctor on the beach, though. Even if she was getting annoying as a companion.

194 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:13:21am

re: #171 alegrias

For those of you who don't know or may have forgotten--how media, leftists, centrists and democrats never forgave George Bush for what some racist South Carolinians said in February of 2000 about John & Cindy McCain's adopted daughter from Bangladesh, to win that primary in South Carolina.

President Bush however innocent of the charge of racism, will have it go down in history as the dirty South Carolina primary of 2000.

Please understand why McCain prefers to remain above-board.


For those of you who don't know or may have forgotten -- how media, leftists, centrists and democrats never forgave George Bush for winning. Twice.

195 Endangered in MASS  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:13:48am

re: #143 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Grossenbusten goes "hand in hand" with that.

196 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:13:51am

re: #188 JamesTKirk

LOL!

197 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:14:06am
198 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:14:08am

re: #179 LanceKates

oddly enough the women I use that on don't snort and laugh.

rings make those slaps hurt.

*grin*

(I don't use pickup lines on women.... I"m a hermit. Gotta go out to meet women to use lines on them.)


Don't use lines...they don't work. Just be your clever self.

199 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:14:09am

re: #173 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I love men! Ya'll are so entertaining!

I do try.

*bows*

Now where'd I leave that Tardis?

stupid cybermen.

200 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:14:33am

re: #184 BabbaZee

Babba! Mah Feral Remnant Sisstah!

Ol Mama Wheat is coming home today. I'm at home watching a tummy ache mini-wheat and the lovely and formidable Mrs. Wheat is picking up the MIL to break her out.

Insane week.

one liberal, one socialist, one marxist......

the clock is indeed ticking as TFK would point out.

201 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:14:35am

re: #168 LanceKates

I like the line in the movie A Beautiful Mind:

"I'm trying to think of what to say to make you want to have sex with me."

It didn't work.

202 red satellite  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:14:59am
They’re not listening to me because they’re out of touch with reality and the Republican Party

THANK GOD- they're not listening to you!

203 beblebrox  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:15:09am

regardless of his intent on this ad, for those of you considering either not voting, or voting for a 3rd party protest candidate; i have one sentence for you:

"Middle East Special Envoy Jimmy Carter"

OK? If that isn't enough to make you not want to get out and cast a relevant vote, i don't know what will.

204 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:15:20am

re: #183 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

It's a reference to the classic episode "City on the Edge of Forever," in which Kirk & Spock travel back to Depression era NYC. Kirk falls in love with a beautiful social worker, played by Joan Collins. It turns out that she will start a pacifist movement which delays the U.S. entry into WWII & thereby let the Nazis conquer the world. Joan had to die to save the future from Nazi rule.


Oh. I didn't see that one. Thanks!

205 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:15:32am

re: #187 rawmuse

It is a long and well-documented habit with him. At his advanced years, I doubt if he will change now.

Oh- I know, believe me. Sure hope the people who voted for him in the primaries are happy with themselves.

206 brent  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:15:40am
President Bush however innocent of the charge of racism, will have it go down in history as the dirty South Carolina primary of 2000.

Please understand why McCain prefers to remain above-board.

The odd thing is that McCain turned around and hired the same team that ran that campaign for Bush. I'll be surprised if they play it all above board.

207 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:15:59am

re: #109 lawhawk

He needs to stay in the fray to remain in the public eye - or else suffer the same problem as all the other politicians who thought they could stay out of the limelight for weeks and months on end and win elections.

Had he stopped with yesterday's comments, that would have been enough (*Dayenu!*) but he's instead chosen to drop 50 and fire for effect on the NC GOP.

He's going to need the state and local GOP to get the vote out for him, and if he's so quick to go after the NC GOP, why would anyone else go out and do work for him?

* * *
McCain needs John Edwards' disaffected bitter voters to be able to vote for McCain without reservations, after their dem choices have proven themselves scoundrels.

208 kansas  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:16:19am

re: #145 kahall

What exactly is supposed to be wrong with the ad? I have seen it and it is nothing but the truth. I guess it hurts.

I think that's what they call being Swift Boated.

209 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:16:27am

re: #200 BulgarWheat

{Bulgarity}

I am glad she's coming home

one liberal, one socialist, one marxist......

clop, clop, clop.....

tick tock!

210 brainwizard73  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:16:32am

Wow, I go from hatchling to witnessing the birth (perhaps) of "swiftblogging" in a week.

Talk about 0-60.

211 Tigger2005  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:16:45am

re: #36 rawmuse

Atheists tend to have that problem. ;)

No, actually, we don't.

212 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:16:56am

re: #193 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

BitTorrent.

That said. I thought the last three with the Master were some of the best ever done. Way better than Rose's departure. Still, end of the first season (9 regenerating) was awesome too. You can't beat an episode with the Daleks. I thought that the whole Dalek/Cybermen thing was almost over the top.

I did cry when Rose said good bye to the Doctor on the beach, though. Even if she was getting annoying as a companion.

I thought the creepiest thing about Rose was how young she looked compared to how old 9 looked.

I did like how Martha left though, in comparison to Rose. You are definately correct there.

I've been watching Torchwood as well, and Martha made some appearances there. Kind of interesting to see the Dr. Who references.

213 cjstavern  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:17:05am

This North Carolina Republican is very much in touch. The way I see it we have 3 democrats running in this election, the only reason I'm voting for McCain is because he's the most conservative of the 3 democrats. I also changed my party affiliation to participate in operation chaos. Since the Republican party has imploded nothing will make me happier than to see the democrat party follow suit.

214 Ben Hur  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:17:14am

Does he actually think the Dems and their MoveOn base will abide by the same standards?

215 CLLRusso  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:17:15am

Charles, maybe if you'd stop with all the tinkering I'd stay signed in occasionally. No. It is not me.

Anyway, I wish John would be quiet. I am really not a McCain fan, and it is hard enough to support him for his good points, backs the surge and knows this country must win that war...and all that. That trumps the very long list of stuff I don't like about John.

216 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:17:39am

re: #163 scrapiron

McCain worries me, he has since his last run in SC when he ripped the religious right. Without them he loses.

* * *
McCain GOT RIPPED by the RELIGIOUS WRIGHTS in South Carolina who said horrible things about his adopted daughter.

Besides, Mike Huckabee's going to campaign for McCain, & Huckabee's not a baiter is he?

217 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:17:44am

re: #201 Kenneth

I like the line in the movie A Beautiful Mind:


It didn't work.

Heh. I'll stick with my plan:

Don't try to have sex with females unless they're hitched to me.

218 Silhouette  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:18:10am

Eh, I can't get fired up over this story.

If the everyone in the GOP agrees on everything, the LLL/MSM sneer that they are in lockstep and no one thinks for themselves.

If they disagree over a tactic, the LLL/MSM sneer that things are falling apart, in-fighting, or that McCain clearly lacks the strength to "control" his underlings.

The NC GOP thinks the Rev. Wright angle is worth an ad; McCain doesn't. So what? Either way, the MSM will paint McCain/the GOP as in the wrong, probably both at the same time.

219 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:18:13am

re: #195 Endangered in MASS

Grossenbusten goes "hand in hand" with that.


Ahhh.

220 christheprofessor  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:18:16am

This is the official McCain campaign website. If you mouse over the "Get Involved" over his head, there is a "Contact Us" option in the pop-menu that you will see. Tell him how you feel. I already have.

As I said yesterday, McCain can kiss my conservative NC Republican ass.

221 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:18:18am

re: #204 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Oh. I didn't see that one. Thanks!

Probably the best episode of the original series - yes, even better than the one with Space Lincoln!

222 sojerofgod  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:18:19am

re: #210 brainwizard73

Ya gotta keep up around here or you'll get left behind in a flash.

I been here a while and just found out who 'stan' was.

I thought he was somebody's brudder!

223 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:18:23am

re: #211 Tigger2005

No, actually, we don't.

Tell Kilgore.

224 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:19:13am

re: #213 cjstavern

cj, there's only one problem with operation Chaos in NC. We don't have a solid Republican Gubernatorial candidate yet. We need to firm that up,.....

crap, just vote against Perdue.....I guess she'd be in prison in a year or two, but think of the damage she could do.

225 WayDownSouthInBama  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:19:18am

Bolton/Petraeus 2008. Screw both loser parties. They've both screwed us over long enough. We need a party with the guts to stand AGAINST people like the one McCain hasn't got the stomach to stand against.

If McCain hasn't the backbone to take the fight to the enemy,he needs to do us all a favor and get out of the running and let someone in the running who does. Yes, our nation needs a Bolton or Petraeus to step up and kick these wussy politicians out of the picture.

226 Silhouette  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:19:40am

re: #222 sojerofgod

Stan is allan.

227 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:19:45am
228 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:20:09am

re: #212 LanceKates

I thought the creepiest thing about Rose was how young she looked compared to how old 9 looked.

I did like how Martha left though, in comparison to Rose. You are definately correct there.

I've been watching Torchwood as well, and Martha made some appearances there. Kind of interesting to see the Dr. Who references.


9 is my fave and Christopher Eccleston is on my crush list. I liked Martha because she was strong. She was great in Torchwood. Torchwood is an awesome show as well. I cried at the end of the season finale of that one as well. I've been watching it since show one.

229 vxbush  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:20:35am

re: #185 brent

#155 Kirk / Collins..

Kirk / Spock went back to pre-WWII earth, met Joan Collins... He had to let her get hit by a car, or else the Nazis would have won the war.

"I'm attempting to make a computer using bearskins and stone knives"....

I am so embarrassed I remember that much....

I *loved* that line.

230 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:20:36am

re: #195 Endangered in MASS

Grossenbusten goes "hand in hand" with that.

/no actual link to the song available

231 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:20:56am

re: #125 badsysop

According to liberal democrats, our current VP is the devil himself... able to do all kinds of crazy stuff!

I think it does matter, though. AGE. The presidency can have an impact on his health. I'd much rather see a Fred Thompson VP than a Mike Huckabee. Whoever it is HAS to have more conservative credentials than McCain. I wouldn't put anything past that guy... McCain/Feingold 2008?

* * *
Fred Thompson said NO WAY is he running for VP last night.

Feingold wants to lose the war & run. Sorry, McCain won't ask a cut & runner to be his possible replacement.

232 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:21:03am

re: #227 buzzsawmonkey

I take it, then, that you are in favor of the whoresless carriage?

I bow before you!

233 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:21:05am

re: #221 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Probably the best episode of the original series - yes, even better than the one with Space Lincoln!


No...!

Is it even better than Mudd?

234 yochanan  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:21:08am

re: #135 Kenneth

What do you got against watermelons?


EAT THE DAMN WATERMELON

235 RickZ  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:21:29am

OT:

Who is 'Rogue198', and why are they dinging down when I can't even find a post from them in the last 6 months?

236 sojerofgod  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:21:32am

re: #219 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

He means like, in the song Yankee Doodle

where the line goes,

And with the girls be handy

237 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:21:49am

re: #227 buzzsawmonkey

I take it, then, that you are in favor of the whoresless carriage?

Yup. heh. Those pesky 'prudish' morals of mine.

238 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:21:59am

re: #222 sojerofgod

Ya gotta keep up around here or you'll get left behind in a flash.

I been here a while and just found out who 'stan' was.

I thought he was somebody's brudder!

ROTF!
now you'll know what
Lizards are clam in the face of Stan!
means


(calm)

239 kansas  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:22:30am

re: #178 Sharmuta

There is also NO REASON for him to attack his base. He doesn't want to go after obama now- fine, but why attack republicans?


Who is McCain's base? I don't think he has one except by default.

240 Maximu§  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:22:33am

They’re not listening to me because they’re out of touch with reality and the Republican Party

How the Hell did we end up with this old Gluehorse?

241 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:23:06am

re: #226 Silhouette

Stan is allan.

and allan is molech

242 Rogue198  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:23:08am

re: #235 RickZ

OT:

Who is 'Rogue198', and why are they dinging down when I can't even find a post from them in the last 6 months?

I haven't dinged anyone down today...and I'm a longtime lurker, few poster...though I post spinnoffs quite often...

243 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:23:14am

re: #228 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

9 is my fave and Christopher Eccleston is on my crush list. I liked Martha because she was strong. She was great in Torchwood. Torchwood is an awesome show as well. I cried at the end of the season finale of that one as well. I've been watching it since show one.

I didn't cry, but I did stare at the tv with my mouth open in shock.

Of course, I have a thing for Tosh.

The part, though, that I thought was most emotionally moving was Jack letting them bury him.

244 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:23:15am

re: #236 sojerofgod

He means like, in the song Yankee Doodle

where the line goes,

Got ya...so in order for a woman to be Pulchritudinous, she must also be Grossebusten? (or am I mis-translating the word?)

245 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:23:44am

re: #233 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

No...!

Is it even better than Mudd?

The Mudd episodes were great for their humor, City on the Edge of Forever was great for it's poignancy (and as a veiled slap against pacifism in the middle of Vietnam).

246 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:23:46am

re: #217 LanceKates

Hitched to you?

I guessing you're talking about something more permanent than an ISDN internet connection...

247 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:23:50am

re: #151 Vinegar Joe

McCain's the one out of touch with reality. By pissing off the very people he needs to be elected, he's guaranteeing that this time next year, he'll be sitting in his living room in Arizona writing his memoirs and crying in his beer.

* * *
Even if you choose to sit it out & pout & let Totalitarian take over, McCain will still be in the Senate, back benching & supporting our troops and our fight against terrorists.

So relax, take another vacation from history and enjoy Obama/CarterII

248 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:23:54am

re: #240 Maximu§

They’re not listening to me because they’re out of touch with reality and the Republican Party

How the Hell did we end up with this old Gluehorse?

The Dems had a little Operation Chaos of their own going on.

249 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:24:25am

re: #243 LanceKates

I didn't cry, but I did stare at the tv with my mouth open in shock.

Of course, I have a thing for Tosh.

The part, though, that I thought was most emotionally moving was Jack letting them bury him.

Jack is da bomb! I liked Owen, but then I'm partial to men who need saving.

250 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:24:44am

re: #240 Maximu?

They’re not listening to me because they’re out of touch with reality and the Republican Party

How the Hell did we end up with this old Gluehorse?

The Democrat version of Operation Chaos, mixed with MSM's rooting for the most liberal candidates (I.e. Rudy, McCain, Romney, anyone but Hunter)

251 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:24:53am

re: #155 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
Got a link?

252 nyc redneck  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:25:22am

whoever gets the nomination is going skewer mccain w/ the help of the msm.
he is going to look like a stunned old fool wondering why the jackals are surrounding him.
how much does he think he can heap on his own party until they just decide to leave him to a fate he has created.

253 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:25:24am

Gotta go...work is calling. BBL

Lance...we must chat about Torchwood and Dr. Who later.

254 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:25:30am

re: #246 Kenneth

Hitched to you?

I guessing you're talking about something more permanent than an ISDN internet connection...

lol... Yes, I'm looking for a relationship with the speed of a 33.6k modem and the lasting power of gold.

255 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:25:35am

re: #225 WayDownSouthInBama

Bolton/Petraeus 2008. Screw both loser parties. They've both screwed us over long enough. We need a party with the guts to stand AGAINST people like the one McCain hasn't got the stomach to stand against.

If McCain hasn't the backbone to take the fight to the enemy,he needs to do us all a favor and get out of the running and let someone in the running who does. Yes, our nation needs a Bolton or Petraeus to step up and kick these wussy politicians out of the picture.

Well, if McCain would announce that Bolton would become Secretary of State, and Petraeus Secretary of Defense...
Bolton survived the UN brain rot; I think he can deal with the State Department.

256 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:25:43am

re: #251 newsjunkie_ky

Got a link?


Let me look....

257 Eagle  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:25:50am

re: #58 zombie

Here's an interesting possibility:

McCain is actually signalling to US -- we independent bloggers.

Here's what he's saying:

"I will take the high road -- absolutely no negative ads, and I will not attack my opponents. Strictly a positive 'message campaign.'

However, that means it is up to YOU, my unaffiliated supporters, to be my attack dogs. I want you to take Obama (or Hillary) down, yet I also want to be able to honestly disassociate myself from you."

That way, we get the best of both worlds.

We'll SwiftBlog Obama while McCain keeps his hands clean.

How about it? I'm OK with that.

But is it really the moral high ground to ignore those aspects of Obama?

258 yochanan  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:26:03am

I HAVE NO USE FOR DEFEATISM IN ANY OF ITS FORMS.

259 jcm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:26:07am

re: #235 RickZ

OT:

Who is 'Rogue198', and why are they dinging down when I can't even find a post from them in the last 6 months?

There is several lurkers / dingers.

Ignore 'em if they haven't got the guts to come out and play.

260 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:26:17am

re: #253 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Gotta go...work is calling. BBL

Lance...we must chat about Torchwood and Dr. Who later.

Anytime!

It is a nice departure from politics and gun control!

heh.

261 sojerofgod  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:26:29am

re: #244 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
Well actually.....no.

I think i like your definition better anyway cuz, while there is something to be said for the buxom class, the body of the beauty remains in the mind's eye. Afterall, the eye of the beholder is the determinant of the scale of the attraction.

(I'm trying to talk like Obama here)

262 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:26:51am

re: #257 Eagle

But is it really the moral high ground to ignore those aspects of Obama?

Nope.

All it takes for Evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing.

263 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:26:56am

re: #178 Sharmuta

There is also NO REASON for him to attack his base. He doesn't want to go after obama now- fine, but why attack republicans?

* * *
McCain asked them to cease and desist. That's not attacking but asking politely--since he can't control the RNC/GOP.

264 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:26:59am

Who will McCain pick for his VP?

Not Fred Thompson: too old
Not Mitt: won't get the religious conservative vote
Not Rice: too much a Bushbot

McCain will pick somebody younger, more conservative and from a must-win state.

265 RickZ  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:27:00am

re: #242 Rogue198

I haven't dinged anyone down today...and I'm a longtime lurker, few poster...though I post spinnoffs quite often...

Go to post 14, and click on the number. It doesn't jibe with what you wrote.

266 yochanan  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:27:10am

this thread sounds like a circular firing squad only the donks win because of this STOP IT ALREADY.

267 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:27:14am

re: #239 kansas

Who is McCain's base? I don't think he has one except by default.

All his base are belong to us.
(Couldn't resist)
And we know Obama's base is Al Qaeda.
(which means "the base")

268 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:27:21am

re: #256 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
Thanks for looking.

269 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:27:24am
270 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:27:32am

re: #259 jcm

My estimate is more than 50% are dingsock poltroons.

271 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:28:00am

re: #263 alegrias

* * *
McCain asked them to cease and desist. That's not attacking but asking politely--since he can't control the RNC/GOP.

And saying that they're 'out of touch with reality' is not asking politely, but attacking.

272 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:28:07am
273 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:28:16am

re: #254 LanceKates

Good luck to you, my friend. You'll make a fine husband to the right woman.

274 maddogg  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:28:21am

There seems to be some insidious disease of the mind that infects Republicans after a few years in Washington. The brain cells start to distort and malfunction, they drool, and become obsessed with being seen as a "nice guy". Unfortunately, as a result of the disease, they are unaware that they just come off as a smirking, clueless, dumbass, who is the butt of the nasty jokes told by our enemies. Possibly this was an offshoot of the government program to develop aids in the quest to kill off all the black folks. The incubation period seems to be somewhere between 4 and 8 years coincidentally. So, until we can find a vaccination for this horrible and debilitating disease, we should change our Republican office holders every 4 years, or at the first sign of clueless dribble dripping from the lower lip. I'm afraid John has overstayed his "Best if used by" date.

275 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:28:43am

re: #264 Kenneth

Who will McCain pick for his VP?

Not Fred Thompson: too old
Not Mitt: won't get the religious conservative vote
Not Rice: too much a Bushbot

McCain will pick somebody younger, more conservative and from a must-win state.

Republican current or former governor from a state that he might not win otherwise.

I'm thinking MItt or Huckabee... definately not Jeb.

276 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:28:49am

re: #206 brent

The odd thing is that McCain turned around and hired the same team that ran that campaign for Bush. I'll be surprised if they play it all above board.

* * *
Rick Davis is McCain's campaign manager, and Rick Davis worked for McCain in 2000, not Bush. Do you mean some local South Carolina GOP outfit, which wouldn't support Romney?

277 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:28:58am

On Rush, WRAL announced won't run the ad.

278 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:29:24am
279 RickZ  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:29:35am

re: #270 BabbaZee

My estimate is more than 50% are dingsock poltroons.

Well, this one I wrote about either 'misspoke' or is a shameless liar.

280 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:29:54am

re: #273 Kenneth

Good luck to you, my friend. You'll make a fine husband to the right woman.

and hopefully also the right husband for a fine woman.

*evil grin*

One day. I don't want to burden a wife with my college debt.

I'm not avoiding, but I'm not looking to get married until after that is paid off.

281 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:30:01am

re: #263 alegrias

* * *
McCain asked them to cease and desist. That's not attacking but asking politely--since he can't control the RNC/GOP.

That was yesterday. Today they're "out of touch". I consider that an unfair and uncalled for attack.

282 Rogue198  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:30:05am

re: #265 RickZ

Go to post 14, and click on the number. It doesn't jibe with what you wrote.

I still show it as being able to be voted on sir...

283 incanus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:30:14am

re: #194 LanceKates

For those of you who don't know or may have forgotten -- how media, leftists, centrists and democrats never forgave George Bush for winning. Cheating and getting selected. Twice.

Fixed it.

284 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:30:16am

re: #272 buzzsawmonkey

Did you ask for Acid Bass?

285 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:30:50am

re: #282 Rogue198

I still show it as being able to be voted on sir...

Minus vote: Rogue198
Plus vote: JamesTKirk

286 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:31:11am

The only difference between R & D today
is MPH and ETA


We live in a political world,
Love don't have any place.
We're living in times where men commit crimes
And crime don't have a face

We live in a political world,
Icicles hanging down,
Wedding bells ring and angels sing,
clouds cover up the ground.

We live in a political world,
Wisdom is thrown into jail,
It rots in a cell, is misguided as hell
Leaving no one to pick up a trail.

We live in a political world
Where mercy walks the plank,
Life is in mirrors, death disappears
Up the steps into the nearest bank.

We live in a political world
Where courage is a thing of the past
Houses are haunted, children are unwanted
The next day could be your last.

We live in a political world.
The one we can see and can feel
But there's no one to check, it's all a stacked deck,
We all know for sure that it's real.

We live in a political world
In the cities of lonesome fear,
Little by little you turn in the middle
But you're never why you're here.

We live in a political world
Under the microscope,
You can travel anywhere and hang yourself there
You always got more than enough rope.

We live in a political world
Turning and a'thrashing about,
As soon as you're awake, you're trained to take
What looks like the easy way out.

We live in a political world
Where peace is not welcome at all,
It's turned away from the door to wander some more
Or put up against the wall.

We live in a political world
Everything is hers or his,
Climb into the frame
and shout God's name
But you're never sure what it is.

287 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:31:13am

re: #277 newsjunkie_ky

WRAL is getting a ton of local dissent from those of us in Raleigh.

Give 'em a piece of your mind.

[Link: www.wral.com...]

288 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:31:23am

re: #283 incanus

Fixed it.

LOL... thanks.

Skull & Bones!

Fire can't melt steel!

Inside job!

289 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:31:25am

re: #258 yochanan

I HAVE NO USE FOR DEFEATISM IN ANY OF ITS FORMS.

Never give up! Never Surrender!
Cmdr. Taggart

290 RickZ  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:31:34am

re: #282 Rogue198

I still show it as being able to be voted on sir...

Well, you come up as a ding when I click the number.

291 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:31:36am

re: #279 RickZ

Well, this one I wrote about either 'misspoke' or is a shameless liar.

We get a lot of that around here.
lol

292 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:31:42am

re: #225 WayDownSouthInBama

Bolton/Petraeus 2008. Screw both loser parties. They've both screwed us over long enough. We need a party with the guts to stand AGAINST people like the one McCain hasn't got the stomach to stand against.

If McCain hasn't the backbone to take the fight to the enemy,he needs to do us all a favor and get out of the running and let someone in the running who does. Yes, our nation needs a Bolton or Petraeus to step up and kick these wussy politicians out of the picture.

* * *
McCain was Petraeus' biggest supporter & encouraged Petraeus' promotion to run the surge in Iraq.
McCain wants to take the fight to the enemy all right--only he needs the other half of the country as well to support the really big fight of our time, not the itty bitty North Carolina local fight.

(Isn't NC going for Obama by 90% anyway?)

293 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:31:55am
294 Rogue198  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:32:14am

re: #285 LanceKates

Minus vote: Rogue198
Plus vote: JamesTKirk


*shrugs* I've refreshed and everything...still reads as votable. I didn't ding ya...I did hit fav accidentally and then delete it, but that's it.

295 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:32:22am

re: #272 buzzsawmonkey

McCain would not risk alienating his base if he would use a little more acid.

He'd also have more support if he had better chemistry.

296 incanus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:32:28am

re: #216 alegrias

* * *
McCain GOT RIPPED by the RELIGIOUS WRIGHTS in South Carolina who said horrible things about his adopted daughter.

Besides, Mike Huckabee's going to campaign for McCain, & Huckabee's not a baiter is he?

He's a master ... never mind.

297 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:32:34am

re: #249 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Jack is da bomb! I liked Owen, but then I'm partial to men who need saving.

We should talk.

298 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:32:41am

re: #294 Rogue198

*shrugs* I've refreshed and everything...still reads as votable. I didn't ding ya...I did hit fav accidentally and then delete it, but that's it.

vote it up once, then, so we can see where the error lies.

In the world of the internet, one's 'word' is often insufficient.

299 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:32:48am

re: #289 Kosh's Shadow

Never give up! Never Surrender!
Cmdr. Taggart

Fear no man
Countenance no evil
Never abandon hope

~ Scroll of the Outraged Spleen

300 RickZ  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:33:02am

re: #291 BabbaZee

We get a lot of that around here.
lol

How true. But you really shouldn't laugh at my failed attempt at being diplomatic, ya know.

301 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:34:09am

re: #300 RickZ

It's a Z thing!

302 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:34:44am

Do we have a RELIABLE link for the actual ad?

A Youtube search turns up all kinds of crap claiming to be the ad; most of it is obviously false.

303 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:35:01am
304 Silhouette  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:35:03am

re: #269 ploome hineni

Did he just quote Marx?! 'Cuz Marxism has proved such a provider of health, wealth, food, and civil rights in the past, doncha know.

That aside, biofuels illustrate typical short-sightedness. THey could imagine nothing worse than a fuel-guzzling SUV. They demand alternative energy, and then are surprised when the cure is worse than the disease. Recent upswings in demand for biofuels *are* causing food shortages. Nonetheless, it is insanity to compare it to meditated murder, of course.

305 Bilgeman  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:35:34am

Charles:

Hmmm, knowing the verifiable facts about Tuvok Obama's pastor's peculiar views on America is some kind of "Forbidden Knowledge", eh?

I thought this kind of thing had been addressed with the McCain-Feingold Act.

The irony might be delicious, had it not dropped out of a dog's rear end and onto our parlor rug.

I guess we'll just have to apply the same "no-see'um, no-say'um" rule about the ginormous mound of extra-fragrant dog feces in our living room, huh?

306 Endangered in MASS  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:35:40am

re: #241 BabbaZee

coo coo ka choob.

Hi diddle diddle

307 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:35:51am

(SIGH)

308 Rogue198  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:35:54am

re: #298 LanceKates

vote it up once, then, so we can see where the error lies.

In the world of the internet, one's 'word' is often insufficient.

done...voted up, now greyed out and reads as "0"....still listed as a favorite of mine as well.

309 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:36:23am

Militant kills 2 Israeli guards at West Bank divide


A Palestinian militant, apparently pretending to be a laborer, shot and killed two middle-aged guards who were screening Palestinian workers as they entered an Israeli factory in Nitzanei Shalom, along the divide between Israel and the West Bank.

310 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:36:55am

Rush is running a very funny "Citizen McCain" bit. It sounds like an old-time newsreel.

311 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:37:07am

It's Bob Dole all over again. I wonder which old Senate fart they'll be running in 2020?

312 Ben Hur  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:37:18am

re: #309 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Factories built by Israelis specifically to give Palis work.

313 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:37:21am

re: #306 Endangered in MASS

Porcine Greetings!
snort!

314 incanus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:37:35am

re: #290 RickZ

Well, you come up as a ding when I click the number.

Honestly, who gives a shit about one ding down. If it's repeated behaviour, fine, if not, shut up and turn in your blog police baton.

315 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:37:36am

re: #280 LanceKates

and hopefully also the right husband for a fine woman.

*evil grin*

One day. I don't want to burden a wife with my college debt.

I'm not avoiding, but I'm not looking to get married until after that is paid off.

College loans take for-friggin-ever to pay off & you could let the right woman pass you by while you wait to be out of debt. Let your potential wife to be make that decision for herself - if she doesn't mind getting married to a man who is in debt (everyone has three mortgages nowadays - Ghostbusters), then you shouldn't mind letting her! Even Barack & Michelle only just recently finished paying off their college loans.

316 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:37:54am

re: #308 Rogue198

done...voted up, now greyed out and reads as "0"....still listed as a favorite of mine as well.

You show as a Minus Vote, with columboejoe and JamesTKirk as the positive votes.

still not quite in your favor, factcheckingwise.

317 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:38:06am

re: #311 Peacekeeper

It's Bob Dole all over again. I wonder which old Senate fart they'll be running in 2020?

If Obama wins, there won't be any Republicans in 2020. And there's a good chance there won't be a US, either.

318 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:38:09am

How about Governor M. Jodi Rell as McCain's running mate? I don't know anything about her, but she's from must-win Connecticut.

319 RickZ  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:38:31am

re: #308 Rogue198

done...voted up, now greyed out and reads as "0"....still listed as a favorite of mine as well.

You should talk to Charles. There appears to be something wrong somewhere. Unless you're also 'coquimbojoe".

320 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:38:42am

re: #315 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Eh, the possibility is there... I'd just feel bad starting out life together dragging her down into my debt.

321 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:39:17am

re: #318 Kenneth

How about Governor M. Jodi Rell as McCain's running mate? I don't know anything about her, but she's from must-win Connecticut.

How many Electoral votes in Conn. ?

322 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:39:30am

re: #315 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

(everyone has three mortgages nowadays - Ghostbusters),

I am downright un-American. I have no debt. (Other than current, monthly credit card debt, paid in full each month).

323 Intrepid  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:39:46am

I wonder if this primary slug-fest season will propel the Dems to change the rules for their primaries so that they stop the proportional delegates thing and go to a straight winner takes all.

But wouldn't that have Hillary as the winner already? (not sure)

324 Endangered in MASS  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:39:49am

re: #284 Kenneth

Nice

325 Silhouette  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:40:01am

That's it. I'm dinging everyone down. Or up. Or maybe I'll alternate.

Or Fibonacci?

326 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:40:02am

re: #322 Occasional Reader

Stone the Unfettered Monkey!

327 loppyd  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:40:07am

re: #322 Occasional Reader

I am downright un-American. I have no debt. (Other than current, monthly credit card debt, paid in full each month).

You and the BF would get along splendidly. LOL

328 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:40:20am

re: #203 beblebrox

regardless of his intent on this ad, for those of you considering either not voting, or voting for a 3rd party protest candidate; i have one sentence for you:

"Middle East Special Envoy Jimmy Carter"

OK? If that isn't enough to make you not want to get out and cast a relevant vote, i don't know what will.

* * *
Thank you Beblebrox. McCain denounced Carter's Hamas affair more than the other two candidates--who promise to meet without conditions Hamas & its funder, Ahmedinejad of Iran.

329 incanus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:40:31am

re: #325 Silhouette

That's it. I'm dinging everyone down. Or up. Or maybe I'll alternate.

Or Fibonacci?

Fibonacci would be awesome!

330 joecitizen  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:40:40am

Bolton/Hanson '12!

331 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:40:48am

re: #317 Kosh's Shadow

alarmist?

332 incanus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:40:48am

re: #329 incanus

Fibonacci would be awesome!

I'm going to use a BERT test pattern.

333 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:40:53am

re: #325 Silhouette

That's it. I'm dinging everyone down. Or up. Or maybe I'll alternate.

Or Fibonacci?

[BLINK]

Dingalingapalooza!
DINGHAD!


lol

334 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:40:58am

re: #322 Occasional Reader

I am downright un-American. I have no debt. (Other than current, monthly credit card debt, paid in full each month).

My only debt is my college loans.

When I buy a home, it'll be on a 30 year fixed (15 year fixed if I can afford it)

No CC debt, no car payments, nothing like that.

335 coquimbojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:41:13am

re: #309 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Militant kills 2 Israeli guards at West Bank divide

I know that's a big victory for the Palis and all, but are the other workers now a bit pissed off because their jobs are in danger? My guess is the Israelis cut their losses and look to others for their labor.

336 incanus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:41:18am

re: #334 LanceKates

My only debt is my college loans.

When I buy a home, it'll be on a 30 year fixed (15 year fixed if I can afford it)

No CC debt, no car payments, nothing like that.

Dave Ramsay, is that you?

337 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:41:34am

IAEA finds a way to blame US/Israel about Syrian Nuclear site

"The director general deplores the fact that this information was not provided to the agency in a timely manner, in accordance with the agency's responsibilities under the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, to enable it to verify its veracity and establish the facts," said an IAEA statement, issued a day after ElBaradei was briefed.

"Additionally, the director general views the unilateral use of force by Israel as undermining the due process of verification that is at the heart of the nonproliferation regime," it said.

338 RickZ  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:41:46am

re: #314 incanus

Honestly, who gives a shit about one ding down. If it's repeated behaviour, fine, if not, shut up and turn in your blog police baton.

Listen, asshole, I searched first for posts to read the person who did the ding down before I posted my comment. (I did not recognize the name, and apparently with good reason as he appears to be a self-admitted lurker.) I saw no posts for the last 6 months, until this thread. Bite me.

339 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:41:50am

re: #327 loppyd

You and the BF would get along splendidly. LOL

I just hate being in debt. (Okay, and I've been shy about getting into the DC housing market, and have a good deal on the damn nice place I'm renting.) I did double and triple payments on my student loans, and liquidated 'em within 7 years of graduating from law school.

340 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:41:54am

re: #320 LanceKates

Eh, the possibility is there... I'd just feel bad starting out life together dragging her down into my debt.

"You deserve the finest things in life, Marge, and although I can provide them for you, they'd be repossessed & I'd be hunted through the streets like a dog." Homer Simpson

341 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:41:55am

re: #321 rawmuse

Connecticut has 7. Not so many.

342 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:42:03am

I follow the Dave Ramsey plan.

"Where Debt is Dumb and the Paid off Home Mortgage takes the place of the BMW as the Status Symbol of America"

(or something like that)

343 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:42:03am

re: #322 Occasional Reader

I am downright un-American. I have no debt. (Other than current, monthly credit card debt, paid in full each month).

What about your debt to generations of brave patriots? Commie.

344 Rogue198  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:42:05am

re: #319 RickZ

You should talk to Charles. There appears to be something wrong somewhere. Unless you're also 'coquimbojoe".

I'm me...been me for sometime. If it happens again I'll bring it up, seems to me that it's just a hiccup. You have my apologies for any misunderstanding. I didn't ding ya.

345 coquimbojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:42:19am

re: #322 Occasional Reader

I am downright un-American. I have no debt. (Other than current, monthly credit card debt, paid in full each month).

I have 3500 on a credit card I haven't used in years. Yax return equals no debt. I am looking forward to experiencing it.

346 loppyd  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:42:30am

re: #337 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


The director general deplores the fact that this information was not provided to the agency in a timely manner,

As if they would have done anything about it. They sure as sh*t wouldn't have bombed it!

347 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:42:45am

re: #336 incanus

Dave Ramsay, is that you?

lol... see my 342.

348 Muadib  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:43:08am

McCain says Do As I Say, Not As I Do.

349 loppyd  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:43:09am

re: #345 coquimbojoe

I have 3500 on a credit card I haven't used in years. Yax return equals no debt. I am looking forward to experiencing it.

I got an extension on my Yaxes.

/ducking

350 coquimbojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:43:21am

re: #345 coquimbojoe

I have 3500 on a credit card I haven't used in years. Yax return equals no debt. I am looking forward to experiencing it.

Actually, that would be 'Tax' returns. My Yaks are ungrateful bastiges....

351 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:43:28am

re: #322 Occasional Reader

I am downright un-American. I have no debt. (Other than current, monthly credit card debt, paid in full each month).

Now all you have to do is hoard food, fuel and ammo. ;)

352 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:43:38am

re: #334 LanceKates

Plus, we all know that servicing debt just GOES INTO THE POCKETS OF THE JOOISH BANKERS WHO CONTROL THE WORLD, AND PAYS FOR THEIR EVIL PENIS-SHRINKING RAY GUNS!

353 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:43:41am

Oh please
don't fight with each other over the dingbat dinglethingos.

Please?

354 coquimbojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:43:52am

re: #349 loppyd

I got an extension on my Yaxes.

/ducking

If you're ducking I'm goosing.

355 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:44:02am

re: #338 RickZ

So the dingy thing gets under your skin...

356 incanus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:44:11am

re: #338 RickZ

Listen, asshole, I searched first for posts to read the person who did the ding down before I posted my comment. (I did not recognize the name, and apparently with good reason as he appears to be a self-admitted lurker.) I saw no posts for the last 6 months, until this thread. Bite me.

I am honoured to be called an asshole by you.

357 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:44:18am

re: #351 rawmuse

Now all you have to do is hoard food, fuel and ammo. ;)

WOOT!

re: #352 Occasional Reader

Plus, we all know that servicing debt just GOES INTO THE POCKETS OF THE JOOISH BANKERS WHO CONTROL THE WORLD, AND PAYS FOR THEIR EVIL PENIS-SHRINKING RAY GUNS!

Don't forget their earthquake machine.

358 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:44:34am

re: #213 cjstavern

This North Carolina Republican is very much in touch. The way I see it we have 3 democrats running in this election, the only reason I'm voting for McCain is because he's the most conservative of the 3 democrats. I also changed my party affiliation to participate in operation chaos. Since the Republican party has imploded nothing will make me happier than to see the democrat party follow suit.

* * *
Only one of the three running voted FOR the War & to WIN the war before & after it was cool.

Only one of the three has served in the military, fought communists mano a mano, and learned what a gulag is really like, from the inside for 5.5 years.

359 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:44:36am

re: #354 coquimbojoe

If you're ducking I'm goosing.

I don't want to take a gander at that.

360 coquimbojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:44:51am

re: #353 BabbaZee

Oh please
don't fight with each other over the dingbat dinglethingos.

Please?

OK, no fighty, but have you tried Pandora yet? Come on try it, so easy, so nice, tailored internet radio.....

361 jcm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:44:56am

re: #337 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

IAEA finds a way to blame US/Israel about Syrian Nuclear site

I heard that on the radio this morning. I was laughing so hard.

Like we're going to share intel with you!

362 incanus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:45:08am

re: #353 BabbaZee

Oh please
don't fight with each other over the dingbat dinglethingos.

Please?

Wilco!

363 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:45:08am
364 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:45:20am

re: #359 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I don't want to take a gander at that.

Keep that up and someone will cry fowl.

365 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:45:24am

re: #336 incanus

It's a great idea and in the long term unbeatable. When you drive a car 11/12 years at a time, you can pretty much pay cash for nearly anything you'd ever want, and 4.75% interest on a fixed rate loan ain't a bad deal either.

Dave Ramsey's pretty smart guy.

to each his own, but debt gives me a bad rash. I don't like it and I don't want it.

366 loppyd  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:45:26am

re: #354 coquimbojoe

If you're ducking I'm goosing.

Oh my....

LOL

367 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:45:34am

re: #345 coquimbojoe

Yax return

Indeed, they do.

368 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:45:43am

re: #360 coquimbojoe

OK, no fighty, but have you tried Pandora yet? Come on try it, so easy, so nice, tailored internet radio.....

No I haven't and I forgot about it.
Thanks for reminding me.

369 coquimbojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:45:44am

re: #364 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Keep that up and someone will cry fowl.

Somebody just might cry....

370 jcm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:45:48am

re: #350 coquimbojoe

Actually, that would be 'Tax' returns. My Yaks are ungrateful bastiges....

If I could put the money into Yaks, I'd get a better return.

371 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:46:08am

re: #364 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Keep that up and someone will cry fowl.

Bring it on! I'm no chicken!

372 coquimbojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:46:33am

re: #367 Occasional Reader

Indeed, they do.

The one on the right is always whining about it though.

373 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:46:41am
Keep that up and someone will cry fowl.


My Indian name is

Runs Afoul

374 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:46:48am

re: #371 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Bring it on! I'm no chicken!

Quite you Dodo!

375 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:47:00am

re: #365 BulgarWheat

It's a great idea and in the long term unbeatable. When you drive a car 11/12 years at a time, you can pretty much pay cash for nearly anything you'd ever want, and 4.75% interest on a fixed rate loan ain't a bad deal either.

Dave Ramsey's pretty smart guy.

to each his own, but debt gives me a bad rash. I don't like it and I don't want it.

Best part is that you STILL pay a car loan, but you pay it to your own savings account, so that in a few years you can pay ALOT of money for a replacement car if needed.

If you do that for just a year or two, you quickly learn why loan companies do well.

376 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:47:08am

So... is that "negatory" on a reliable link for the NC Repubs Obama ad?

377 coquimbojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:47:12am

re: #370 jcm

If I could put the money into Yaks, I'd get a better return.

BIG YAK IS RIPPING US OFF!

378 beblebrox  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:47:26am

re: #328 alegrias

* * *
Thank you Beblebrox. McCain denounced Carter's Hamas affair more than the other two candidates--who promise to meet without conditions Hamas & its funder, Ahmedinejad of Iran.

I just feel that trumps all other issues. are there things i don't like about mccain? you bet. big things. but america means more to me than getting my way on everything, and I'm not willing to throw the country away in the name of not having the perfect candidate.

379 jcm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:47:47am

re: #365 BulgarWheat

It's a great idea and in the long term unbeatable. When you drive a car 11/12 years at a time, you can pretty much pay cash for nearly anything you'd ever want, and 4.75% interest on a fixed rate loan ain't a bad deal either.

Dave Ramsey's pretty smart guy.

to each his own, but debt gives me a bad rash. I don't like it and I don't want it.

I'm with you, but I do have some secured debt. No un-secured debt. My trucks 12 years old, the van is only a couple of years but needed a kid hauler.

380 incanus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:48:00am

re: #365 BulgarWheat

It's a great idea and in the long term unbeatable. When you drive a car 11/12 years at a time, you can pretty much pay cash for nearly anything you'd ever want, and 4.75% interest on a fixed rate loan ain't a bad deal either.

Dave Ramsey's pretty smart guy.

to each his own, but debt gives me a bad rash. I don't like it and I don't want it.

I think Dave Ramsey (spelled it wrong the first time, sorry Dave) is mostly right on. I'm trying to get to debt free; not easy due to idiocy when I was younger. Really enjoyed his book, listen to the radio show when I have time, etc.

I don't understand his animus towards whole life insurance though; I'm not as excited about 401(k) plans as he is. I'd rather pay my taxes up front ... I'm nervous where income tax rates are going to be when I retire and that money is coming out as income.

381 coquimbojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:49:08am

re: #379 jcm

I'm with you, but I do have some secured debt. No un-secured debt. My trucks 12 years old, the van is only a couple of years but needed a kid hauler.

My Car just passed 200k.......

382 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:49:09am

re: #370 jcm

If I could put the money into Yaks

You can, but it's not a very comfortable experience for either them, or you.

383 loppyd  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:49:14am

I had never heard of this strange man, Dave Ramsey, until just now.

Go figure.

LOL

384 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:49:19am

re: #378 beblebrox

I just feel that trumps all other issues. are there things i don't like about mccain? you bet. big things. but america means more to me than getting my way on everything, and I'm not willing to throw the country away in the name of not having the perfect candidate.

I hear that alot. It is drivel.

That justification will be used in a few elections for Republicans to vote for a socialist instead of an out and out communist.

If the Republicans abandon conservatives for the sake of running a moderate-liberal, then they deserve to get the votes that a moderate-liberal would get.

If they lose because conservatives don't vote for him, but go third party, it is the fault of only one group: The RNC.

It is not my duty to vote RNC, it is the RNC's duty to run a conservative.

385 RickZ  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:49:28am

re: #353 BabbaZee

Oh please
don't fight with each other over the dingbat dinglethingos.
Please?

Well, my original comment wasn't insulting or picking a fight, just asking a question. Then 'incanus' stepped in. He can take my 'blog police baton' and shove it (unlubed) where the sun don't shine.

386 Ben Hur  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:49:36am
"The director general views the unilateral use of force by Israel as undermining the due process of verification that is at the heart of the non-proliferation regime," the statement said.

It's because of Israel.

Among the evidence they displayed were pictures - said to have been obtained by Israel - allegedly taken inside the facility showing the reactor core being built.

THrown in their to cast doubt.

Ulterior motive?

The White House insists it is committed to the ongoing six-nation diplomacy, between North Korea and the US, China, Japan, South Korea and Russia that led to a landmark deal with Pyongyang, in February 2007.

North Korea agreed to give up its nuclear weapons in return for aid and its removal from a blacklist of state sponsors of terrorism. But the US has accused Pyongyang of missing the deadline to make a full nuclear declaration as promised.

The CIA briefing and statement coincided with the end of a two-day meeting between US and North Korean officials on Pyongyang's nuclear programme, which both sides say went well - fuelling speculation that a deal may be imminent.

But questions are being asked whether the reactor claim is designed to reinforce those diplomatic efforts or an attempt by some in the administration to undermine them.

The BBC: ISrael and US LYING.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]


My count:

5 Alleged/Allegedlys
1 They said
1 Claims

387 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:49:51am

I DING ON YOUR GRAVE!

388 major  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:49:51am

Face it, everyone. We have three Democrats running for office.,

389 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:49:53am

re: #281 Sharmuta

That was yesterday. Today they're "out of touch". I consider that an unfair and uncalled for attack.

* * *
Republicans want black americans to consider voting for republicans interested in lower taxes, smaller government, strong defense, more freedom.

390 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:49:53am
391 RickZ  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:49:57am

re: #356 incanus

I am honoured to be called an asshole by you.

And well you should be.

392 justiceforall  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:50:00am

I wonder what would happen if Senator Barack Obama urged a state Democratic Party from running attack ads against Senator John McCain was being "too extreme" because of remarks made by the pastor John Hagee.

393 incanus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:50:02am

re: #385 RickZ

Well, my original comment wasn't insulting or picking a fight, just asking a question. Then 'incanus' stepped in. He can take my 'blog police baton' and shove it (unlubed) where the sun don't shine.

You seem to have some issues with anal sex.

394 coquimbojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:50:02am

re: #380 incanus

I think Dave Ramsey (spelled it wrong the first time, sorry Dave) is mostly right on. I'm trying to get to debt free; not easy due to idiocy when I was younger. Really enjoyed his book, listen to the radio show when I have time, etc.

I don't understand his animus towards whole life insurance though; I'm not as excited about 401(k) plans as he is. I'd rather pay my taxes up front ... I'm nervous where income tax rates are going to be when I retire and that money is coming out as income.

Who is Dave Ramsey? I could google, but anything to read you'd recommend?

395 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:50:23am

re: #380 incanus

I think Dave Ramsey (spelled it wrong the first time, sorry Dave) is mostly right on. I'm trying to get to debt free; not easy due to idiocy when I was younger. Really enjoyed his book, listen to the radio show when I have time, etc.

I don't understand his animus towards whole life insurance though; I'm not as excited about 401(k) plans as he is. I'd rather pay my taxes up front ... I'm nervous where income tax rates are going to be when I retire and that money is coming out as income.

He doesn't oppose life insurance, he just prefers term life insurance.

ALOT less expensive per month and you put the rest of the money into your own savings, rather than for the savings of the insurance agent.

396 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:50:41am

re: #381 coquimbojoe

My Car just passed 200k.......

My car is at 198k

397 coquimbojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:50:54am

re: #388 major

Face it, everyone. We have three Democrats running for office.,

It has been faced. Over and over. And shall continue to be...

398 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:51:11am

re: #375 LanceKates

Over the last 3 years, I've remodeled our kitchen and appliances, paid cash, bought my wife a new car, cash, and am having (I hope they're done this weekend) all siding, trim and painting of the house, cash.

I used a single source for all of this and it involved not a nickel of debt. I sold company stock off in each case, and supplemented the rest with savings.

We have always lived within our means, and not making some banker rich, I've been able to apply those sound rules of finance in my favor. Compounded interest is a beautiful thing.

399 incanus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:51:18am

re: #394 coquimbojoe

Who is Dave Ramsey? I could google, but anything to read you'd recommend?

[Link: www.daveramsey.com...]

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

400 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:51:21am

re: #388 major

Face it, everyone. We have three Democrats running for office.,

and how dare a conservative not vote for one of them!

... /

401 Rogue198  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:51:26am

btw RickZ, my last post before today was 3 weeks ago...I may not be a full-time lizard lounger, but I'm not a 2-poster a year either...

402 coquimbojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:51:27am

re: #396 LanceKates

My car is at 198k

Race you.... very, very gently.

403 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:52:01am

My theory on car replacement is that I throw out my car every time the ashtray gets full.

Fortunately, I don't smoke.

404 bill-tb  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:52:16am

Me, me, me, me, me ..... It's all about McCain,

I pass, I already voted for my RINO, Christ. Not going to do that again.

405 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:52:22am

re: #395 LanceKates

If your kids are grown, your mortgage is paid off, and you have your funeral plans in place, there really is not much need for life insurance. As for me, I am way out of warranty. ;)

406 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:52:27am

re: #400 LanceKates

and how dare a conservative not vote for one of them!

... /

So what are you planning to do on Election Day?

407 incanus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:52:40am

re: #395 LanceKates

He doesn't oppose life insurance, he just prefers term life insurance.

ALOT less expensive per month and you put the rest of the money into your own savings, rather than for the savings of the insurance agent.

I get the difference between term and whole life. However, as you get older term gets more expensive. Not all insurance agents are con artists. I know anyone who wants to help me invest my money wants a piece of it and as long as they're willing to be honest about how they do that, I can make a good decision.

408 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:52:54am

re: #398 BulgarWheat

Yes indeed. I'm trying to live life the same way.

Hard to do when you're having to pay for college out of pocket AND pay college loans, but what is life without sacrifice?

409 RickZ  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:52:54am

re: #401 Rogue198

btw RickZ, my last post before today was 3 weeks ago...I may not be a full-time lizard lounger, but I'm not a 2-poster a year either...

I did 30 day searches. Sorry, but I must have skipped that day.

410 cptham  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:53:12am

one liberal, one socialist, and one marxist. these are our choices in 2008?

One shot.
One bourbon.
And one beer.

One voice one goal one true religion
gimme
gimme
gimme
gimme

Fried Chicken

411 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:53:25am

re: #402 coquimbojoe

Race you.... very, very gently.

put it into drive and GENTLY accelerate to 55 over a few city blocks.

Last car to stall wins!

412 Ben Hur  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:53:42am
"All you have to do is drive down the street in your car, see the price at the pump, and you know that Americans can no longer afford George W. Bush as President and his Rubber Stamp Republican Congress."

Nancy Pelosi
April 26, 2006

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

413 coquimbojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:53:54am

re: #411 LanceKates

put it into drive and GENTLY accelerate to 55 over a few city blocks.

Last car to stall wins!

Zactly! LOL

414 loppyd  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:53:54am

re: #410 cptham

Fried Chicken


Proof there is a God.

LOL

415 Sharmuta  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:54:03am

re: #392 justiceforall

I wonder what would happen if Senator Barack Obama urged a state Democratic Party from running attack ads against Senator John McCain was being "too extreme" because of remarks made by the pastor John Hagee.

You would gloat.

416 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:54:22am

re: #380 incanus

I wish 3 Wood was here. He's our resident financial and investment guru.

I noticed after 5 or so years at my job I can depend on my 401K to grow roughly 12-14%. Not astounding from a year to year basis, but over 17 years the results are wonderful. Patience has paid off.

Compounded interest, truly the 7th wonder of the world!

417 coquimbojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:54:38am

re: #411 LanceKates

put it into drive and GENTLY accelerate to 55 over a few city blocks.

Last car to stall wins!

I sometimes have to turn of the fan to start the car....

418 jcm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:54:44am

re: #387 Peacekeeper

I DING ON YOUR GRAVE!

That is so WRONG!
;-)

419 incanus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:54:48am

re: #412 Ben Hur

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

Thanks Ben Hur, I now know who to thank for the shitload of moeny I've daved over the last two years due to gas prices dropping.

420 Dianna  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:54:54am

It's odd - my first truck has about 70,000 miles on it, and she's about 10 years old. I plan to keep it until the wheels fall off.

The fun car has about 45,000. I plan to keep it...I don't know. Until the Male is tired of it?

That's the only debt I have unless you count the house. And I don't view that as actual debt.

421 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:55:09am

re: #412 Ben Hur

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

Oh. My. God.

422 Bard  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:55:16am

I'd say this is probably genuine - fits right in with the campaign-finance bit. But he should really stop trying to come off as such a nice guy. Politics are dirty - cope.

423 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:55:20am

re: #405 rawmuse

If your kids are grown, your mortgage is paid off, and you have your funeral plans in place, there really is not much need for life insurance. As for me, I am way out of warranty. ;)

I have enough life insurance to pay for a funeral and cover all of my college loans that won't cancel upon death.

I have no dependents, so why have more?

re: #406 Occasional Reader

So what are you planning to do on Election Day?

In honesty, I'm not sure. I'm not 'staying home' by any means, but I don't know who I'm voting for in the President slot.

There is alot of stuff down the ballot I'm looking forward to voting for (we're going to have a vote on making english our official state language for government, etc.)

I guess that makes me 'undecided' (will they pander to me now?! lol)

424 loppyd  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:55:31am

re: #412 Ben Hur

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

She needs to STFU.

How about passing McCain's proposed summer break from the gasoline tax, Madame Speakah?

425 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:55:56am

re: #412 Ben Hur

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

Are they claiming that gas prices will go down with a Dem POTUS?
It is to laugh. What folly. The Dems have done nothing but excoriate, hamstring, tax silly, and ankle-bite the energy companies for the last 40 years.

426 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:56:14am

re: #407 incanus

I get the difference between term and whole life. However, as you get older term gets more expensive. Not all insurance agents are con artists. I know anyone who wants to help me invest my money wants a piece of it and as long as they're willing to be honest about how they do that, I can make a good decision.

and, hey, it is your money. Do as you wish. heh.

However, his suggestion is that your money better serves you earning more in a fund than it does in the whole life type insurance plans.

427 Dianna  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:56:24am

re: #398 BulgarWheat

Isn't it, though?

Every penny you put in savings earns interest. The interest earns interest! It is a lever.

If people would understand that, in their bones, they'd do a lot better.

428 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:56:41am

re: #408 LanceKates

You'll get there.

Good afternoon PK! Good to see you!

I see you have implemented BabbaZee's Dingahad!

ululululululululululu!

429 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:56:45am

re: #421 Occasional Reader

Oh. My. God.

There's a sale at Pennies?

430 medaura18586  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:56:51am

re: #29 zombie

Zombie!

So glad to see you're back! I missed you a lot and I'm sure many others have.

I dropped you an email. Did you by any chance get it?

431 loppyd  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:57:14am

re: #424 loppyd

She needs to STFU.

How about passing McCain's proposed summer break from the gasoline tax, Madame Speakah?

Just noticed the date on that - DUH.

What a fool.

She still should encourage the House to pass the gas tax bill.

432 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:57:16am

re: #417 coquimbojoe

I sometimes have to turn of the fan to start the car....

mine isn't that bad... my car runs well enough, though it has a BIT of a wobble at 70mph.

433 beblebrox  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:57:23am

re: #384 LanceKates

I hear that alot. It is drivel.

That justification will be used in a few elections for Republicans to vote for a socialist instead of an out and out communist.

If the Republicans abandon conservatives for the sake of running a moderate-liberal, then they deserve to get the votes that a moderate-liberal would get.

If they lose because conservatives don't vote for him, but go third party, it is the fault of only one group: The RNC.

It is not my duty to vote RNC, it is the RNC's duty to run a conservative.

great. the problem is, there isn't a conservative running. and with the national mood ATM, there isn't a snowball's chance in hell one could get elected. I'm sorry, but the Communist/Socialist argument doesn't hold water. that isn't the choice we are facing in this election, and i'll cross that bridge if and when we ever come to it. right now, all i care about is the War on Radical Islam. It cannot be postponed, or put on hold for 4 to 8 years. we cannot have the courts packed by hillary or obama and expect to survive as a nation in our current form. I will not make a Faustian bargain with America.

434 Rogue198  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:57:54am

re: #409 RickZ

I did 30 day searches. Sorry, but I must have skipped that day.

No problem, I just knew that no posts in six months didn't sound right so I did between Jan/08 and today. I found my last before today was April 2nd. *shrugs* No problem...probably just a server hiccup. I was plus-ing a bunch earlier. And like I said, I did accidently favorite, then immediately delete as favorite your post.

435 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:58:00am

re: #429 Peacekeeper

PK! Good to see you. That was the finest DingaHad I've ever seen!

"no one was safe, they said............"

436 jcm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:58:14am

re: #402 coquimbojoe

Race you.... very, very gently.

My dad had 300K on his Toyota pickup, it was going strong. Till he took a deer in the grill. The salvage almost covered the tow bill.

437 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:58:16am

Peacekeeper, lol

438 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:58:23am

I have all my savings invested in commemorative plates.
I can't miss!

439 incanus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:58:30am

re: #416 BulgarWheat

I wish 3 Wood was here. He's our resident financial and investment guru.

I noticed after 5 or so years at my job I can depend on my 401K to grow roughly 12-14%. Not astounding from a year to year basis, but over 17 years the results are wonderful. Patience has paid off.

Compounded interest, truly the 7th wonder of the world!

There are other investments where I can make compounded interest, like stocks (which is where most of your 401(k) is, really). However, you haven't paid any taxes on your 401(k) money, at all, so it's growing tax free. Assuming tax rates don't go crazy, that's a good future. What happens when Obama gets in tehre (or someone like him) and says "Ok, all these people who got rich in the 90s and 2000s need to pay their fair share, so all 401(k) withdrawals will now be taxed at 75%". Couldn't happen?

I'm feeling better about diversifying. I want a 401(k), some stocks and bonds, and whatever other investments make sense.

Still learning ...

440 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:58:43am

re: #435 BulgarWheat

PK! Good to see you. That was the finest DingaHad I've ever seen!

"no one was safe, they said............"

First they dinged the trolls...

441 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:58:52am

re: #437 BabbaZee

PK is the ultimate Dingahad Warrior!

442 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:59:14am

re: #427 Dianna

That kind of thinking is dangerous to politicians who want a permanent, dependent class!

443 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:59:23am

re: #424 loppyd

She needs to STFU.

How about passing McCain's proposed summer break from the gasoline tax, Madame Speakah?

Actually, I don't think that's a good idea. Tiny relief in price, which will take a big hit out of money needed for transport infrastructure.

444 incanus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:59:42am

re: #426 LanceKates

and, hey, it is your money. Do as you wish. heh.

However, his suggestion is that your money better serves you earning more in a fund than it does in the whole life type insurance plans.

Could be! I need to learn more.

(ROFL at PK)

445 Silhouette  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:59:43am

re: #436 jcm

My dad had 300K on his Toyota pickup, it was going strong. Till he took a deer in the grill. The salvage almost covered the tow bill.

My car after college was so worthless that it doubled in value every time I filled the 8-gallon tank.

446 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:59:43am

re: #439 incanus

good thinking. Don't put all your eggs in one basket. the law of averages are on your side.

447 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 11:59:59am
448 opnion  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:00:00pm

This old fool has a Napoleonic complex, The NC Republican party should take orders from him?
He constantly disrespect's his own party, especially conservatives.
He told Chris Matthews that he will not stand for 'Swift boating" by either side through 527's
Two things , you and your "Dear Friend" Russ Feingiold made the 527's possible. The other is , the Swifties are honorable men & told the truth.
McCain views the base much like Obama views PA crackers.
I am not being critical, but do any of you who supported him in the primaries have buyers remorse?

449 Widow'smight  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:00:23pm

re: #380 incanus

You have to be able to deal with more frequent repairs and the rattles when keeping vehicles for a long time. Gas mileage goes down after awhile too, and it seemed worth it until the Donkeys took over Congress.

450 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:00:24pm

re: #441 BulgarWheat

PK is the ultimate Dingahad Warrior!



ULULULULULLULULULLULLU!

451 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:00:41pm

re: #432 LanceKates

mine isn't that bad... my car runs well enough, though it has a BIT of a wobble at 70mph.

Mine is nominally rated to 143 mph. I've never... tested that.

452 Persian Shoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:00:48pm

OT

Shark Attack news conference on Fox now.

Dumbest question ever, " Why the the shark attack"

What a Dumbass.

It was fucking hungry.

453 Silhouette  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:00:51pm

re: #438 Occasional Reader

I have all my savings invested in commemorative plates.
I can't miss!

One of my pet peeves is the phrase, "That is going be worth money some day."

Worth money, as opposed to what?

454 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:01:27pm
455 jcm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:02:03pm

re: #445 Silhouette

My car after college was so worthless that it doubled in value every time I filled the 8-gallon tank.

I had a '76 Plymouth Volaire in school, POS rusted body, but that 223 CID slant six with 3-speed stick was bullet proof.

456 incanus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:02:19pm

re: #449 Widow'smight

You have to be able to deal with more frequent repairs and the rattles when keeping vehicles for a long time. Gas mileage goes down after awhile too, and it seemed worth it until the Donkeys took over Congress.

I live in the People's Republic of Minnesota ... I can take public transportation!

/boom

Wow, what happened, I blacked out there for a sec.

457 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:02:33pm

re: #450 BabbaZee

more ululating, less bitching, says I!

hmm, that sounded very Pirate-ish. I hope I haven't turned on the Ultra-Violet Pirate Thread Dissimilator!

458 Silhouette  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:02:33pm

re: #452 Persian Shoe

OT

Shark Attack news conference on Fox now.

Dumbest question ever, " Why the the shark attack"

What a Dumbass.

It was fucking hungry.

This could be fun.

Why did the shark attack?

Global warming?

US foreign "policies" drove him to it?

Poverty?

Humiliation?

459 loppyd  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:02:33pm

re: #443 Occasional Reader

Actually, I don't think that's a good idea. Tiny relief in price, which will take a big hit out of money needed for transport infrastructure.

MMmmkay.

English please. LOL

460 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:02:45pm

re: #452 Persian Shoe

Dumbest question ever, " Why the the shark attack"

Why do they hate us?

461 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:02:46pm

re: #455 jcm

Volare?

462 jcm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:02:56pm

re: #453 Silhouette

One of my pet peeves is the phrase, "That is going be worth money some day."

Worth money, as opposed to what?

Yaks.
The new base currency.

463 incanus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:03:05pm

re: #455 jcm

I had a '76 Plymouth Volaire in school, POS rusted body, but that 223 CID slant six with 3-speed stick was bullet proof.

I have rebuilt a slant six.

464 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:03:37pm

re: #433 beblebrox

great. the problem is, there isn't a conservative running.

Not my fault, not something I have to take responsibility for, nor is it something that convinces me to vote for a moderate-liberal when we have a democrat controlled congress.

and with the national mood ATM, there isn't a snowball's chance in hell one could get elected.

Not my fault, not something I have to take responsibility for, nor is it something that convinces me to vote for a moderate-liberal when we have a democrat controlled congress.

I'm sorry, but the Communist/Socialist argument doesn't hold water. that isn't the choice we are facing in this election, and i'll cross that bridge if and when we ever come to it.

And when that time comes, as I said, we'll have people talking about how conservatives just need to 'for the good of the country' vote for the socialist. No thanks. I'm not a socialist.

right now, all i care about is the War on Radical Islam.

Which is part of the reason that we're in this situation. We're so worried about finding someone strong on the war that we'll give up EVERY other position for it. We passed up conservatives that were stronger on the war, for the sake of a moderate, under the guise of giving conservatives the finger so as to steal votes away from the Democrats.

It cannot be postponed, or put on hold for 4 to 8 years.

But, apparently we can stall it by closing Gitmo.

we cannot have the courts packed by hillary or obama and expect to survive as a nation in our current form.

What evidence do you have that a moderate-liberal will put up conservative judges?

I will not make a Faustian bargain with America.

Such a bargain was already made and the RNC decided to sell out conservatives in order to win.

There is no guilt on my head or blood on my hands as a conservative. I didn't leave the RNC, the RNC left me.

465 jcm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:03:42pm

re: #461 BabbaZee

Volare?

Great Song.
POS car (except for the engine).

466 incanus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:04:09pm

re: #459 loppyd

MMmmkay.

English please. LOL

The price will drop by a few cents, and next year we'll find out we're hundreds of millions of dollars short in the highway fund.

They'll still have money for buses and trains though.

467 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:04:10pm

re: #461 BabbaZee

Must have been a Plymouth Voltaire, contrarian SOB's those Voltaires!

468 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:04:24pm

re: #459 loppyd

MMmmkay.

English please. LOL

If I'm not mistaken, the Federal gas tax goes into the Fed highway fund. Which really IS a "lockbox" fund, unlike Soc. Sec. Our highways and bridges, to put it mildly, NEED the money.

469 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:04:28pm

re: #444 incanus

Could be! I need to learn more.

(ROFL at PK)

I'm not an expect there. I default to 3 wood and Dave Ramsey.

470 loppyd  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:04:32pm

And the academy award for best actor in a drama goes to......

471 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:04:54pm

re: #457 BulgarWheat


hmm, that sounded very Pirate-ish

Arrrr

472 Persian Shoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:05:11pm

re: #458 Silhouette


The Shark was looking for " Hope & Change"

473 Endangered in MASS  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:05:18pm

re: #376 Occasional Reader


More like suppository.

that's a big 10-4

474 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:05:33pm

re: #467 BulgarWheat

Must have been a Plymouth Voltaire, contrarian SOB's those Voltaires!

AHHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

475 Dianna  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:05:37pm

re: #442 rawmuse

The very best reason to think!

476 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:05:42pm

re: #451 Occasional Reader

Mine is nominally rated to 143 mph. I've never... tested that.

well, I actually have a patch of highway with a speed limit of 70.

I drive a mid 90's berretta.... so TECHNICALLY it is a 'sportier' car, but I wouldn't want to race it.. heh.

477 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:05:48pm

-My Dingaling! Everybody sing...

478 Silhouette  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:06:04pm

re: #471 BabbaZee

Arrrr

What kind of car does a pirate drive?

A Yaris.

479 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:06:04pm

re: #464 LanceKates

Not my fault, not something I have to take responsibility for

The use of your vote is ALWAYS something you have to take responsibility for. And ultimately, "fault" ain't got nuttin' to do with it.

"If you choose not to decide, you've still made a choice"

-William James, lead singer for Rush

480 loppyd  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:06:05pm

re: #468 Occasional Reader

If I'm not mistaken, the Federal gas tax goes into the Fed highway fund. Which really IS a "lockbox" fund, unlike Soc. Sec. Our highways and bridges, to put it mildly, NEED the money.

Thank you!

Does all of the money go into that fund?

I say they take that money and start drilling off the Gulf of Mexico YESTERDAY!

481 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:06:42pm

re: #477 Peacekeeper

PK, Ultimate DingaHad Warrior!

ulululuulululuulululuulululuulululuulululuulululuu lululuulululuulululuulululu!

482 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:07:13pm

re: #456 incanus

I live in the People's Republic of Minnesota ... I can take public transportation!

/boom

Wow, what happened, I blacked out there for a sec.

I lived in St. Louis Park.... I had a job that was 10 minutes away by car and over an hour away by bus.

The bus took me into Uptown, where I got another bus to wait at another depot to then finally be taken about 4 blocks away from work.

I did use the bus if I were going to the Target Center or something like that.

483 Persian Shoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:07:40pm

The shark heard Al Gore was hanging five at Table Tops.

Now that would be a meal.

484 jcm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:07:58pm

re: #468 Occasional Reader

In WA they do that.
But then charge sales tax on all the materials.

485 Dianna  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:08:02pm

re: #459 loppyd

Think "bridges". Roads, even.

486 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:08:26pm

re: #378 beblebrox

I just feel that trumps all other issues. are there things i don't like about mccain? you bet. big things. but america means more to me than getting my way on everything, and I'm not willing to throw the country away in the name of not having the perfect candidate.

* * *
Thank you Beblebrox. America (and western civilization of free people) means more to me too! Our troops don't get to vote for who their commanding officer is, do they? At least we still had a choice, though not perfect. But McCain at least recognizes SOMEONE wants to terminate our country, and he staked his whole candidacy on the premise America is worth the fighting for.

487 Ben Hur  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:08:29pm
488 Widow'smight  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:08:37pm

re: #398 BulgarWheat

When it comes to checks, tis better to receive than give.

489 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:09:08pm

Damn, I just noticed. I crossed the 6k mark on this thread. Been posting since before registration and I've still to post something actually worth reading.

Hmm? I got me some work ahead of me

Heh!

490 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:09:22pm

re: #479 Occasional Reader

The use of your vote is ALWAYS something you have to take responsibility for. And ultimately, "fault" ain't got nuttin' to do with it.

"If you choose not to decide, you've still made a choice"

-William James, lead singer for Rush

I take ALOT of responsibility for my vote, which is why I don't vote for a liberal or a moderate.

NOT wanting to vote for a moderate is not the same as choosing not to decide.

491 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:09:27pm

re: #482 LanceKates

The bus took me into Uptown

Whoaaaa ohhh ohh whooaaa ahhh ohhh ahhh ohhh

492 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:09:35pm

re: #478 Silhouette

snort guffaw and chuckle
dingupacus maximus!

493 Endangered in MASS  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:09:50pm

re: #471 BabbaZee

It's Pirate talk Friday.Shiver me timbers

494 loppyd  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:10:10pm

re: #487 Ben Hur

Bush Heckler Arrested After Punching Wheelchair-Bound Girl

Change!

Lovely. I hope he has to work with the disabled as part of his sentence.

495 jcm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:10:24pm

re: #482 LanceKates

I lived in St. Louis Park.... I had a job that was 10 minutes away by car and over an hour away by bus.

The bus took me into Uptown, where I got another bus to wait at another depot to then finally be taken about 4 blocks away from work.

I did use the bus if I were going to the Target Center or something like that.

My car commute is 12 minutes, 22 if you count the time dropping off the kids. Bus would be 72 minutes without the kids.

If you calculated the value of my time the bus becomes more economical when gas hits $60.00 a gallon.

496 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:10:43pm

re: #493 Endangered in MASS

It's Pirate talk Friday.Shiver me timbers

Pirates you say!

497 Dianna  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:11:26pm

re: #487 Ben Hur

Good. Now I hope they throw the book at him.

What a dreadful thing to do!

498 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:11:57pm

re: #493 Endangered in MASS

Arrrrr you scurvy lout, get thy loins to the gird room.

499 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:12:17pm

re: #487 Ben Hur

Bush Heckler Arrested After Punching Wheelchair-Bound Girl

Change!

I'd like to meet that heckler with this Heckler.

500 bosforus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:12:21pm

re: #89 JamesTKirk

...McCain's idea of 'reailty' is doing whatever he can to keep the dems happy. Hopefully, come the general election, he'll turn on 'em...

Why? They're his constituency!

Ain't nobody in the race working for us. Nobody.

You're right. I think I've been spending too much time at Obama's website, I'm starting to believe in change.

501 jamgarr  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:12:28pm

re: #39 buzzsawmonkey

One shot. whiskey
One bourbon.
And one beer.

502 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:12:36pm

re: #491 Occasional Reader

I like that song!

503 incanus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:12:46pm

re: #482 LanceKates

I lived in St. Louis Park.... I had a job that was 10 minutes away by car and over an hour away by bus.

The bus took me into Uptown, where I got another bus to wait at another depot to then finally be taken about 4 blocks away from work.

I did use the bus if I were going to the Target Center or something like that.

I live in Roseville and work in Eagan (for now; I'm a contractor).

Not so handy.

504 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:13:05pm

re: #495 jcm

My car commute is 12 minutes, 22 if you count the time dropping off the kids. Bus would be 72 minutes without the kids.

If you calculated the value of my time the bus becomes more economical when gas hits $60.00 a gallon.

Exactly. heh.

It wasn't even a traffic issue, as much of the minneapolis metro area has special lanes for busses.

It was just a poor design issue. a bus in SLP goes to the uptown area of minneapolis, where you catch another buss to take you PAST SLP in order to go to another depot (and no, you can't pick up that bus coming FROM Uptown as it is an 'express' that doesn't stop) then wait half an hour for a bus to take you to a few blocks away from where I needed to go.

But, taking people to uptown encourages people to spend money there. Guess who's on the Met Council for busses? the landowners in the Uptown area.

505 mama winger  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:13:13pm

re: #489 BulgarWheat

Damn, I just noticed. I crossed the 6k mark on this thread. Been posting since before registration and I've still to post something actually worth reading.

Not true. I always enjoy reading your posts.

congratulations! 6000 !

506 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:13:37pm

re: #503 incanus

I live in Roseville and work in Eagan (for now; I'm a contractor).

Not so handy.

good thing you pay for it, eh?

507 jcm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:13:42pm

What Pirates drive.

The Moby Duck!

508 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:13:48pm

re: #502 BabbaZee

I like that song!

As SOON as I linked to it, it immediately occurred to me that you would. Really.

509 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:13:55pm

re: #425 rawmuse

Are they claiming that gas prices will go down with a Dem POTUS?
It is to laugh. What folly. The Dems have done nothing but excoriate, hamstring, tax silly, and ankle-bite the energy companies for the last 40 years.

* * *
They are right in that if they sink our country into a backward 7th century caliphate, the rest of the world won't be able to afford the middleclassness to which they aspire, so demand for gas & all 21st century goods will go down.

510 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:13:59pm

re: #505 mama winger

Hey mama!

511 mama winger  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:14:17pm

Peacekeeper is disturbing the peace.

Citizen's arreeeest ! Citizen's arreeeest !

512 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:14:28pm

re: #505 mama winger

you're too kind.

513 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:14:43pm

re: #489 BulgarWheat

Damn, I just noticed. I crossed the 6k mark on this thread. Been posting since before registration and I've still to post something actually worth reading.

Hmm? I got me some work ahead of me

Heh!

Don't feel alone in that!

I've been here quite a while as well, but spend a lot more time lurking than posting......It's not very often that I find a thread where my ideas are not well represented......then I pitch in.

And sometimes, there are trolls to play with.....that's always fun

514 incanus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:14:59pm

re: #506 LanceKates

good thing you pay for it, eh?

And I get to pay for the train(s), too!

At least I'll get a tax rebate this year since I pay taxes.

Nope, that didn't work out either.

515 beblebrox  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:15:03pm

re: #464 LanceKates

Such a bargain was already made and the RNC decided to sell out conservatives in order to win.

There is no guilt on my head or blood on my hands as a conservative. I didn't leave the RNC, the RNC left me.

How do you think i feel as a Libertarian/Republican (no, not a Paulistininan....ever)? I have to hold my nose each and every time i step into the booth. If there is one thing that sickens me is politicians on either side of the isle who want to use the force of government to bring about "social change".

However, I rarely, if ever vote on domestic issues, other than tax policy, as i consider it none of government's business. Foreign policy, in my mind, beats domestic squabbles every day. concerning ourselves about domestic issues right now would be like arguing about prayer in schools in the middle of WW2.

Here's my thing: Domestically, leave me alone. Don't try and help me. Don't do anything in the name of my children, or family.don't do anything in the name of trying to make my life easier, except for cutting my taxes. Just leave me alone.

516 loppyd  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:15:04pm

Check out the disgusting banner which was displayed at a Hamas rally on March 4. Reuters simply calls it an anti-Israel poster.

517 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:15:17pm

re: #510 LanceKates

Hey mama!

It's the way you move
Gonna make you sweat
gonna make you groove

518 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:15:20pm

re: #508 Occasional Reader

I know you speak true heathen man

519 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:15:21pm

I hope you all learned something from this,,,

520 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:15:36pm

re: #514 incanus

And I get to pay for the train(s), too!

At least I'll get a tax rebate this year since I pay taxes.

Nope, that didn't work out either.

Did they ever finish that elevated train that was supposed to go from the airport to the Mall of America (as though that was somehow beneficial for the community as a whole)

521 mama winger  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:15:51pm

re: #512 BulgarWheat

you're too kind.

Not on Thursdays.

522 Endangered in MASS  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:16:01pm

re: #477 Peacekeeper

Everyone loves that song..except Elvis. Kept Burning Love from #1

Although I'm guesing Chuck Berry's ding a ling felt some burning love when he did #1.

523 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:16:09pm

re: #511 mama winger

AHHAHHAAAAA

524 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:16:30pm

re: #513 eschew_obfuscation

I am a simple court jester for BabbaZee...

now if I could figure out where I left the royal bong and scepter?

(I get some weird thrill out of mis-spelling scepter. Not that there's anything wrong with that.......)

525 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:16:56pm

re: #522 Endangered in MASS

Actually, I hated that song when it was out.
Also one of my rock and roll heresies is I never thought much of Chuck Berry overall

526 Silhouette  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:17:17pm

re: #519 Peacekeeper

I hope you all learned something from this,,,

No, no, no, I refuse to learn my lesson.

527 mama winger  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:17:17pm

re: #517 Occasional Reader

It's the way you move ( I have arthritis)
Gonna make you sweat (yep - it's getting humid)
gonna make you groove ( my groove has migrated to somewhere around my ankles)

528 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:17:31pm

re: #519 Peacekeeper

I have no idea what you're talking about.........

529 brainwizard73  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:17:40pm

re: #487 Ben Hur

YES, WE CAN!

or

YES, WE WILL!

530 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:17:44pm

re: #518 BabbaZee

I know you speak true heathen man

I knew some guys who dug Billy n' Christie's car out of a snowdrift here in DC circa 1983. They said they were a very nice couple, and I think Billy hooked 'em up with concert tickets.

531 opnion  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:17:44pm

re: #490 LanceKates

I take ALOT of responsibility for my vote, which is why I don't vote for a liberal or a moderate.

NOT wanting to vote for a moderate is not the same as choosing not to decide.

This really is a no win situation.Shouldn't there be some anger that McCain never really tried to mend fences with Conservatives?
He must believe what his mother said, "They will hold their noses & vote for him."
He might have been a "foot soldier" in the Regan Revolution as he claims, bet he is hell & gone from that.He has morphed int an addled , old elitist with an outrageous temper.

532 mama winger  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:17:56pm

re: #523 BabbaZee

AHHAHHAAAAA

I knew I could count on YOU, babba ! :)

533 Kenneth  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:17:59pm

re: #487 Ben Hur

Classy! Must be that Absolute Moral Authority of the anti-war movement that allows them to assault girls in wheelchairs.

534 incanus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:18:05pm

re: #520 LanceKates

Did they ever finish that elevated train that was supposed to go from the airport to the Mall of America (as though that was somehow beneficial for the community as a whole)

Oh yeah, it goes all the way from downtown Minneapolis to the Mall! Right by the Metrodome too! Of course that won't matter in a few years, oh well.

Now they're talking about a train between the downtowns, right down University. Right through the U and everything. That should reduce congestion A LOT, don't you think?

Also we keep getting crap about this NorthStar line which is heavy rail (as opposed to light rail) up to St. Cloud.

535 Widow'smight  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:18:23pm

re: #456 incanus

I'm one of the Bitter ones Barack spoke of, can't ya tell. I can't even get cable, and unless I worked at my daughter's Elementary School, there ain't no publik wheels here.

536 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:18:39pm

re: #519 Peacekeeper

I hope you all learned something from this,,,

I learned that you're too chicken to ding ME.

"A man's got to know his limitations."

537 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:18:51pm

re: #443 Occasional Reader

Actually, I don't think that's a good idea. Tiny relief in price, which will take a big hit out of money needed for transport infrastructure.

* * *
Tax cutting gas taxes is also symbolic. That's important too.
Families can use a tax cut in their gas budget, Occasional, you Washington DC-Metro publicly funded transportation riding elitist! (I know, I know, porque no me callo, cuando yo tambien voy por Metro)

538 mama winger  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:19:11pm

re: #519 Peacekeeper

I hope you all learned something from this,,,

I haf lernt NUSSINK!

539 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:19:32pm

re: #524 BulgarWheat

I am a simple court jester for BabbaZee...

now if I could figure out where I left the royal bong and scepter?

(I get some weird thrill out of mis-spelling scepter. Not that there's anything wrong with that.......)

[CLAP CLAP]

Riff-Raff!
My Bong!

540 incanus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:19:38pm

re: #535 Widow'smight

I'm one of the Bitter ones Barack spoke of, can't ya tell. I can't even get cable, and unless I worked at my daughter's Elementary School, there ain't no publik wheels here.

You seem bitter! I am too.

=)

It's Friday, I'm going home.

541 Endangered in MASS  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:19:40pm

re: #496 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

what is that from?

542 3 wood  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:19:45pm

re: #416 BulgarWheat

I wish 3 Wood was here.


Yo, What's up?

543 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:19:46pm

re: #536 Occasional Reader

I learned that you're too chicken to ding ME.

blockquote>

Not even after six tequila shooters.

544 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:19:46pm

re: #515 beblebrox

How do you think i feel as a Libertarian/Republican (no, not a Paulistininan....ever)? I have to hold my nose each and every time i step into the booth. If there is one thing that sickens me is politicians on either side of the isle who want to use the force of government to bring about "social change".

By voting for them, you enable the RNC to put up more of their ilk.

However, I rarely, if ever vote on domestic issues, other than tax policy, as i consider it none of government's business. Foreign policy, in my mind, beats domestic squabbles every day. concerning ourselves about domestic issues right now would be like arguing about prayer in schools in the middle of WW2.

McCain believes in Gun Control, opposed Bush's Tax Cuts (until he announced he was running, then said he'd make them permanent), opposes Gitmo, wrote that horrible "McCain/Feingold" bill, tries to involve himself in what interrogaters can do (I cut him some slack here, given his time in a pow camp, I'd probably have his tone on that too if I had been through HALF of what he did.), and let's not even get started on his calls for us to 'fight global warming'

We passed over Thompson. We ridiculed Huckabee. We ignored Hunter. Now we're stuck with McCain....

Here's my thing: Domestically, leave me alone. Don't try and help me. Don't do anything in the name of my children, or family.don't do anything in the name of trying to make my life easier, except for cutting my taxes. Just leave me alone.

That's exactly what McCain DOESN'T want to do. That's part of my opposition to him. You're willing to overlook that and ignore your 'thing' for the sake of McCain.

545 jcm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:19:57pm

re: #504 LanceKates

That not even figuring in running errands at lunch or after work. Picking up kids if there's a problem at daycare.

Seattle's Mayor proposed a while back proposed making Seattle a car free down town. He did this the same day I had schlepped 3 kids to 4 different medical appointments downtown. It was raining and 38° that day. It easier to do several appointments in one day downtown than go down several days. At that time the little girl was 2 weeks out of the hospital after two months in ICU, and considered medically fragile.

I wrote hizzonor a very sarcastic letter describing my day in detail. Asking if he considered hauling a 3 kids, one a medical fragile infant on and off the bus, waiting in the cold and rain in any way shape or form a reasonable proposition.

546 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:20:10pm

re: #519 Peacekeeper

I hope you all learned something from this,,,

HA!

547 loppyd  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:20:45pm

Quitting time!

Have a good weekend, Lizard Nation.

548 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:20:47pm

re: #520 LanceKates

Did they ever finish that elevated train that was supposed to go from the airport to the Mall of America (as though that was somehow beneficial for the community as a whole)

If you're referring to the light rail system, I believe the answer is yes.

There are two lines that I know of and one runs from the mall to downtown MPLS. I use it to get from the airport to Thrivent's office downtown.

549 coquimbojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:20:59pm

re: #537 alegrias

* * *
Tax cutting gas taxes is also symbolic. That's important too.
Families can use a tax cut in their gas budget, Occasional, you Washington DC-Metro publicly funded transportation riding elitist! (I know, I know, porque no me callo, cuando yo tambien voy por Metro)

Where are you located? O mejor dicho, a donde estas?

550 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:21:30pm

re: #541 Endangered in MASS

what is that from?

Well, my brother for one. Its from a bunch of film students up in LA.

551 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:21:33pm

re: #539 BabbaZee

bong heil!

552 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:21:34pm

re: #537 alegrias

Tax cutting gas taxes is also symbolic.

Giant potholes on Interstate Highways are symbolic, too.

Sorry, this would be like eating our seed corn.

you Washington DC-Metro publicly funded transportation riding elitist!

Funny thing is, here in DC many of the elite DO take Metro!

553 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:21:46pm

re: #534 incanus

Oh yeah, it goes all the way from downtown Minneapolis to the Mall! Right by the Metrodome too! Of course that won't matter in a few years, oh well.

Now they're talking about a train between the downtowns, right down University. Right through the U and everything. That should reduce congestion A LOT, don't you think?

Also we keep getting crap about this NorthStar line which is heavy rail (as opposed to light rail) up to St. Cloud.

Way to waste money!

If I CALL myself public transportation do you think they'd throw money my way?

554 Silhouette  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:21:56pm

re: #547 loppyd

Quitting time!

Have a good weekend, Lizard Nation.

Where do you work, the middle of the Atlantic Ocean?

;-P

555 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:22:11pm

re: #530 Occasional Reader

I always liked him

556 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:22:14pm

re: #543 Peacekeeper

You dinged BulgarWheat. What has he got that I ain't got?

557 mama winger  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:22:21pm

re: #547 loppyd

Quitting time!

Have a good weekend, Lizard Nation.

Hi Loppy!

Bye Loppy!

558 incanus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:22:22pm

re: #548 eschew_obfuscation

If you're referring to the light rail system, I believe the answer is yes.

There are two lines that I know of and one runs from the mall to downtown MPLS. I use it to get from the airport to Thrivent's office downtown.

Where's the other one, or are you talking about the proposed M-SP line?

559 nikis-knight  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:22:51pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

I need to find something to cling to.

I've got a book you might be interested in... otherwise head to the local gun shop. Hatred of foreigners and trade aren't great strategies.

560 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:22:51pm

re: #551 BulgarWheat

bong heil!

Release the Bongs of War.

BONGTWA!

561 mama winger  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:22:54pm

re: #556 Occasional Reader

You dinged BulgarWheat. What has he got that I ain't got?

keeping
my
mouth
shut

562 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:22:59pm

re: #542 3 wood

they were discussing the "debt free lifestyle" and investing!

Compound interest is a beautiful and wonderful thing!

563 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:23:01pm

Big Dingre: #556 Occasional Reader

You dinged BulgarWheat. What has he got that I ain't got?

quadrotriticale

564 loppyd  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:23:11pm

re: #554 Silhouette

Where do you work, the middle of the Atlantic Ocean?

;-P

I make my own hours for the most part.

Oh and bye Mama!

Now I'm really gone.....

565 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:23:17pm
566 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:23:40pm

re: #545 jcm

I wrote hizzonor a very sarcastic letter describing my day in detail. Asking if he considered hauling a 3 kids, one a medical fragile infant on and off the bus, waiting in the cold and rain in any way shape or form a reasonable proposition.

He has people who do that for him. Why would he have considered it?

It is the same reason that people like them are against people having guns.

They have people who have guns FOR them.

567 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:23:57pm

re: #561 mama winger

keeping
my
mouth
shut

How can you think?

568 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:24:22pm

re: #563 Peacekeeper

Big Ding


quadrotriticale

Was invented in Roosiya! We transport in nuclear wessels.

569 debutaunt  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:24:28pm

re: #304 Silhouette

Did he just quote Marx?! 'Cuz Marxism has proved such a provider of health, wealth, food, and civil rights in the past, doncha know.

That aside, biofuels illustrate typical short-sightedness. THey could imagine nothing worse than a fuel-guzzling SUV. They demand alternative energy, and then are surprised when the cure is worse than the disease. Recent upswings in demand for biofuels *are* causing food shortages. Nonetheless, it is insanity to compare it to meditated murder, of course.

Pesky unintended consequenses.

570 Ben Hur  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:24:29pm

Madonna has a British accent.

571 mama winger  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:24:56pm

re: #567 Peacekeeper

How can you think?

Me ? Think?

I am neanderthal girl. I just club people over the head and take their meat.

572 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:24:57pm

.gotta go pick up the lovely and gracious Ms. Mini-Wheat from the bus. I'll never get caught back up.

573 coquimbojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:25:09pm

re: #570 Ben Hur

Madonna has a British accent.

It just sounds like it, she's really just talking out of her ass.

574 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:25:27pm

re: #565 buzzsawmonkey

You've got the lyrics completely wrong. It's:

Golllld-FINGAH!
Wider than a mile
I'm crossing you in style
some day

575 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:25:50pm

re: #566 LanceKates

He has people who do that for him. Why would he have considered it?

It is the same reason that people like them are against people having guns.

They have people who have guns FOR them.

He's onto something. they also have people to drive them, cook for them and even shop for them, if they could sub contract out pooping they would.

576 Alouette  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:25:55pm

Looks like some kind of dingfest is going on.

577 3 wood  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:26:08pm

re: #557 mama winger

Hey Mama.

How you doing?

578 Mr Chompers  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:26:33pm

Damn I wish Dick Cheney would run with Chuck Norris as VP.

579 mama winger  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:26:35pm

re: #576 Alouette

Looks like some kind of dingfest is going on.

It's a dingleberry fest.

580 kawfytawk  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:26:36pm

Gawd...I despise McCain.

581 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:26:39pm
582 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:26:46pm

re: #565 buzzsawmonkey

You are hot on shabbat

583 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:26:51pm

re: #568 Occasional Reader

Was invented in Roosiya! We transport in nuclear wessels.

In Russia wessels transport you.

584 bosforus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:27:02pm

Quit being such a dingus

585 Silhouette  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:27:06pm

re: #570 Ben Hur

Madonna has a British accent.

Cher got one too for awhile. It cracks me up. I'm sure it makes them feel smarter or more sophisticated or something. To me it smacks of a weak character to be so quick to dump who you are.

586 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:27:10pm

re: #558 incanus

Where's the other one, or are you talking about the proposed M-SP line?

I use the Hiawatha line.....I thought I'd seen reference to another line.....could be wrong on that.

587 mama winger  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:28:04pm

re: #577 3 wood

Hey Mama.

How you doing?

My arms feel like bulbous clubs. This spring transition is playing havoc with my lupus.

ON THE OTHER HAND - - - -

WHOO HOO! is this a great season so far or what!

588 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:28:20pm

a dingo oite moi baybee

589 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:28:54pm
590 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:28:56pm

Quit being such a dingus

said the common cunning linguist

591 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:29:04pm

re: #575 Peacekeeper

He's onto something. they also have people to drive them, cook for them and even shop for them, if they could sub contract out pooping they would.

That is one of the best things I do in the morning!

/ keep your hands off of my poo!

(ok, that's gross.... I'll ding myself down.)

592 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:29:11pm

re: #531 opnion

This really is a no win situation.Shouldn't there be some anger that McCain never really tried to mend fences with Conservatives?
He must believe what his mother said, "They will hold their noses & vote for him."
He might have been a "foot soldier" in the Regan Revolution as he claims, bet he is hell & gone from that.He has morphed int an addled , old elitist with an outrageous temper.

* * *
If it frightens Al Qaeda & Hamas & Iran and their sympathizers, I'm all for crazy addled temperamental America-loving President willing to die for his country, or at least take another 4 years of punishment as he did from the VietCong!

593 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:29:12pm

I can't!

594 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:29:24pm

Your Bulbousity!

595 mama winger  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:29:45pm

re: #589 buzzsawmonkey

I was a member of a bulbous club for a while. It was swell.

I just bought a bottle of Jose Cuervo. We could start our OWN club.

596 coquimbojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:29:51pm

re: #585 Silhouette

Cher got one too for awhile. It cracks me up. I'm sure it makes them feel smarter or more sophisticated or something. To me it smacks of a weak character to be so quick to dump who you are.

Britney spears and Gwyneth Paltrow too. People seem to think that the accent makes them sound smarter, unfortunately for them, we knew them before they got all fancy talkin.

Gwyneth is the only one who pulls it off.

597 beblebrox  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:29:54pm

re: #544 LanceKates

That's exactly what McCain DOESN'T want to do. That's part of my opposition to him. You're willing to overlook that and ignore your 'thing' for the sake of McCain.

well, that's the thing for me. I know that for the rest of my life, I will never see a candidate who agrees with me on domestic issues. It goes back to what I was saying this morning about evil, and the nature of government. What I really want is the opposite of those with political ambitions, which is someone who will goto Washington and pretty much do nothing, at least in terms of affecting my life. Fund the hell out of the military, no compromise on Constitutional Rights. No attempts at using policy to use government for social engineering, of any kind, regardless of outcome or goal.

I mean really; who would vote for a candidate who says "Elect me, and I'll make sure nothing is done for the next 4 years." I'm not going to get that, no matter what party is running, be they conservative, moderate, or liberal.

On a side note, it's always fun when someone brings up gun control, to read back to them what they said but to replace every reference to the 2nd amendment and replace it with the 1st. it usually reveals the ridiculousness of their argument.

598 3 wood  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:30:03pm

re: #562 BulgarWheat

Compound interest is a beautiful and wonderful thing!

It's a beautiful thing. Especially once you get a ladder structure set up on your investments and ralize a 5 year ROR every year.

That's one reason for my avatar. :)

Money may not be everything, but it will do till something better comes along.

599 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:30:12pm

re: #587 mama winger

When I was a child
I had a fever
My arms felt like two
bulbous clubs

Now I've got that feeling once again
I can't explain
you would not understand
this is not how I am

600 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:30:44pm

Charles ought to let us ding ourselves, it's a private matter.

602 jamgarr  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:30:49pm

re: #560 BabbaZee

Release the Bongs of War.

BONGTWA!


Cry Hammock!
And release the bongs of war!

603 Endangered in MASS  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:30:56pm

re: #498 BabbaZee


Girding my loins usually costs extra

604 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:31:01pm

re: #533 Kenneth

Classy! Must be that Absolute Moral Authority of the anti-war movement that allows them to assault girls in wheelchairs.

* * *
And afterwards, because they care, Dems would make the wheelchair-bound rise like Lazarus, said John Edwards.

605 opnion  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:31:04pm

re: #580 kawfytawk

Gawd...I despise McCain.

He doesn't like you either, or me or anybody here.
We do not rise to the level of his 'Dear Friend", Teddy Kennedy

606 mama winger  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:31:16pm

re: #594 BabbaZee

Your Bulbousity!

Do you have trouble when the change of seasons come? I swear I can't feel half my body, and the other half feels like Bullwinkle during hunting season.

607 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:31:28pm

re: #602 jamgarr

AHAHA

608 beblebrox  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:31:36pm

re: #568 Occasional Reader

Was invented in Roosiya! We transport in nuclear wessels.

it was inwented by a little old lady form lenningrad!

609 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:31:43pm

re: #606 mama winger

Mama, I fall apart during change of season

610 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:31:54pm

re: #600 Peacekeeper

Charles ought to let us ding ourselves, it's a private matter.

On SFGATE you get one ding for yourself. I usually take it. If I am not for me, who will be? But, if I am only for myself, who am I?

611 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:32:10pm

re: #587 mama winger

A little news from home to brighten the day (from BotW)

Zero-Tolerance Watch

A prank at Zion-Benton High School in northeastern Illinois got a group of seniors in hot water, reports the Waukegan News Sun:


After 10 students in larger-than-life banana costumes ran the halls of the high school with an eleventh student dressed as a gorilla giving chase -- the boys are on the raw end of a seven-day suspension.

The prank started innocently. Senior Andrew Leinonen, who will study criminal justice at Carthage College this fall, wanted to do something that wouldn't damage property or hurt anyone, while still being hilarious.

"What's funnier than a gorilla chasing bananas through a school? Nothing," Leinonen said. "It was a harmless prank."

Leinonen--who played the role of the gorilla--went on a recruiting mission, quickly finding 10 guys willing to pay $30 for a banana costume. The group drew up a plan and picked a route. They planned to wear black pantyhose on their heads to remain anonymous, and even planned for escape vehicles.

The boys entered the school's main entrance around noon last Thursday and made their way through the English and science hallways before running into a crowded lunch room and then out a back door. All the while they flailed their arms and yelled "Seniors '08."

The prank was quick, and almost painless.

But school officials were not amused. "We're basically enforcing our policy," superintendent Deborah Clarke told the paper. The same policy provides for only a five-day suspension for fighting in class:


In support of them, other students planned protests. A private group dedicated to "Saving the Banana Boys" was even set up on MySpace.com.

But fearing that the school may carry out its threat to keep them from prom and graduation, the "Banana Boys" said they advised others to relax and agreed to peacefully serve their punishment before returning to class May 2.

So it seems the Banana Boys are not a-peeling.

612 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:32:11pm
613 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:32:16pm

re: #549 coquimbojoe

Where are you located? O mejor dicho, a donde estas?

* * *
Estoy aqui en la capital Estadounidense, a poca distancia de la Casa Blanca.

614 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:32:24pm
615 Endangered in MASS  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:32:26pm

re: #550 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'll have to check al of those out when I have the time.Too funny.

616 beblebrox  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:32:33pm

re: #600 Peacekeeper

Charles ought to let us ding ourselves, it's a private matter.

you know they say that reduces prostate cancer in men.

617 Ben Hur  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:32:36pm

Cry Humbolt!

618 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:32:36pm

re: #597 beblebrox

well, that's the thing for me. I know that for the rest of my life, I will never see a candidate who agrees with me on domestic issues. It goes back to what I was saying this morning about evil, and the nature of government. What I really want is the opposite of those with political ambitions, which is someone who will goto Washington and pretty much do nothing, at least in terms of affecting my life. Fund the hell out of the military, no compromise on Constitutional Rights. No attempts at using policy to use government for social engineering, of any kind, regardless of outcome or goal.

I mean really; who would vote for a candidate who says "Elect me, and I'll make sure nothing is done for the next 4 years." I'm not going to get that, no matter what party is running, be they conservative, moderate, or liberal.

On a side note, it's always fun when someone brings up gun control, to read back to them what they said but to replace every reference to the 2nd amendment and replace it with the 1st. it usually reveals the ridiculousness of their argument.

Rush once said that America benefits the most when the federal government is in gridlock.

We won't have that if ANYONE wins, and the democrat congress will get its stuff passed with ANY of the candidiates.

The RNC needs to learn that it needs to embrace conservatives.

Having McCain call the NC GOP 'out of touch with reality' only shows what he thinks of conservatives.

619 mama winger  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:33:03pm

re: #609 BabbaZee

Mama, I fall apart during change of season

{babba}

we should have tea

620 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:33:05pm

re: #606 mama winger

Do you have trouble when the change of seasons come? I swear I can't feel half my body, and the other half feels like Bullwinkle during hunting season.

metaphorical malpractice. one ding.

621 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:33:38pm
622 Endangered in MASS  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:33:45pm

re: #610 rawmuse

Tis better to have dinged and lost then never dinged at all.

623 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:33:56pm

re: #609 BabbaZee

Me three, though not nearly so bad as you two. Still, I feel today like every place where bone meets bone in my body is stiff and hurts. Even where my ribs connect to the sternum.

624 3 wood  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:34:26pm

re: #587 mama winger

WHOO HOO! is this a great season so far or what!


So far so good. I like the new catcher Soto, he's the real deal behind the plate and can hit, too.

Soriano is not a lead off hitter, and I would try to trade him to the American league to be a DH for some pitching if I were Hendry.

Watching Lilly pitch makes my stomach hurt.

Watch out for the Cardinals.

625 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:34:37pm

re: #616 beblebrox

you know they say that reduces prostate cancer in men.

Wow! As soon as I show up it becomes a penis thread.

626 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:34:39pm

re: #613 alegrias

* * *
Estoy aqui en la capital Estadounidense, a poca distancia de la Casa Blanca.

Who are you calling "dense"? Eh?

627 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:34:41pm

re: #588 BabbaZee

a dingo oite moi baybee

Liar, Liar, pants on fire!re: #596 coquimbojoe

Britney spears and Gwyneth Paltrow too. People seem to think that the accent makes them sound smarter, unfortunately for them, we knew them before they got all fancy talkin.

Gwyneth is the only one who pulls it off.

I saw Hugh Laurie on one of the late night shows with what sounded like an Australian accent.....but on "House", he has no accent......good enough that until I saw him out of context of the show, I didn't know he had an accent.

628 Omni  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:34:51pm

McCain is a jerkoff and can be utterly maddening when he pulls stuff like this.

But he is the *only* responsible choice for the Presidency this election left to us.

I do not belive that electing either of the two Marxists would teach some kind of "lesson" to the Republican party or America on the whole from which we can later correct ourselves. I belive it will prove to be ultimately fatal for America and Western civilization in general.

629 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:35:02pm

re: #621 buzzsawmonkey

Totally off topic: is Hillary's voice grating enough to make potato pancakes, or what?


I've never been married, and she still reminds me of my ex-wife.

630 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:35:03pm

re: #621 buzzsawmonkey

Totally off topic: is Hillary's voice grating enough to make potato pancakes waffles, or what?

631 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:35:07pm

re: #619 mama winger

{babba}

we should have tea

At least.
lol

632 coquimbojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:35:08pm

re: #613 alegrias

* * *
Estoy aqui en la capital Estadounidense, a poca distancia de la Casa Blanca.

Y de donde eres? Nativo de EEUU u otra lugar?

633 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:35:12pm
634 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:35:32pm

re: #621 buzzsawmonkey

Totally off topic: is Hillary's voice grating enough to make potato pancakes, or what?

I'd say more like "a voice that can turn spuds into gnocchi."

635 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:35:45pm

I want the LOL! and WTF? dingers.
it would cut my comment count in half.

636 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:35:48pm

re: #627 eschew_obfuscation

I saw Hugh Laurie on one of the late night shows with what sounded like an Australian accent.....but on "House", he has no accent......good enough that until I saw him out of context of the show, I didn't know he had an accent.

yes indeed. He's a funny guy. Good piano player too.

637 formercorpsman  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:35:57pm

re: #611 Lucius Septimius

That is an awesome story.

It really does give me hope for some in that younger generation.

Man, if we were judged by then by the rules today, my buddy Dave who ran through the girls gym locker room naked with a towel wrapped around his head would have been incarcerated.

638 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:36:14pm
639 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:36:15pm

re: #621 buzzsawmonkey

Totally off topic: is Hillary's voice grating enough to make potato pancakes, or what?

Hillary's voice could be used very effectively in our missile defense program.

640 Peacekeeper  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:36:22pm

re: #632 coquimbojoe

Y de donde eres? Nativo de EEUU u otra lugar?

Viva el Ding, Viva!

641 mama winger  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:36:24pm

re: #611 Lucius Septimius

Oh fer cripes sakes! !

Harmless pranks by seniors? Banana costumes ?!? HAHAHAHA!

Mebbe I'll take a drive over there and give them a piece of my mind. Little Winger pulled just that kind of harmless crapola went he went to Christian school - don't these public school admins have other problems to worry about!

I say - FREE THE BANANAS ! ! !

642 formercorpsman  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:36:29pm

re: #629 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

fn- a

643 wolfie  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:36:41pm

re: #621 buzzsawmonkey

Totally off topic: is Hillary's voice grating enough to make potato pancakes, or what?

Yes. Especially if you add grated cheese and grated onion to the recipe.

644 joecitizen  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:36:47pm

re: #598 3 wood

It's a beautiful thing. Especially once you get a ladder structure set up on your investments and ralize a 5 year ROR every year.

That's one reason for my avatar. :)

Money may not be everything, but it will do till something better comes along.

or,as the noted philosopher David Lee Roth said,"It's true that money can't buy happiness.But it can buy you a boat big enough to sail right up next to it!"

645 beblebrox  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:36:48pm

re: #618 LanceKates

Rush once said that America benefits the most when the federal government is in gridlock.

We won't have that if ANYONE wins, and the democrat congress will get its stuff passed with ANY of the candidiates.

The RNC needs to learn that it needs to embrace conservatives.

Having McCain call the NC GOP 'out of touch with reality' only shows what he thinks of conservatives.

unfortunately, america, for wrong or right, is in a surly mood with the word conservative right now. i think wholehearted support for any candidate from the conservative movement this time around would be the kiss of death to any candidate. We may not like that, but i really see that as the case.

646 Ma Sands  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:37:01pm

re: #609 BabbaZee

re: #606 mama winger

Mama, I fall apart during change of season


Then you should relocate to here.....we're getting 6" of snow tonight, in the northwestern part of the state..... :)

647 ethanxxx  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:37:03pm

I posted a comment in a thread last night that John McCain was getting close to losing my vote... I think he may have just lost it. This country isn't Screwed... It's F**KED!

648 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:37:04pm
649 mama winger  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:37:04pm

re: #624 3 wood

I am having so much fun I can't stand myself !

650 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:37:07pm
651 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:37:21pm

re: #538 mama winger

I haf lernt NUSSINK!

* * *
That's exactly what the sweet Pope sounded like to me! Lord, how I tried to hoer auf, und I underschtand Deutsch!

652 Ben Hur  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:37:21pm

One ding only.

/Captain Marko Ramius

653 beblebrox  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:37:30pm

re: #625 Lucius Septimius

Wow! As soon as I show up it becomes a penis thread.

well i'm at work. if i were at home it would have been a drinking thread.

654 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:38:04pm

re: #627 eschew_obfuscation

I saw Hugh Laurie on one of the late night shows with what sounded like an Australian accent.....but on "House", he has no accent......good enough that until I saw him out of context of the show, I didn't know he had an accent

My jaw dropped when I watched one of those "Making of..." shows about Blackhawk Down. Practically ALL the guys playing US Rangers and Delta Force in that movie are Brits and Aussies.

655 mama winger  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:38:06pm

re: #646 Ma Sands

Then you should relocate to here.....we're getting 6" of snow tonight, in the northwestern part of the state..... :)


More snow !? Aw, Ma,........

Actually I heard we may get a mix of rain and snow in a couple of days too. I have put it a couple of perrenials, and a couple of roses, but nothing tender yet.

656 jamgarr  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:38:13pm

"Call me Francis, I'll ding you!"
"Touch my stuff, I'll ding you!"

657 coquimbojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:38:31pm

re: #650 buzzsawmonkey

Incoming missiles curl up and whimper?

They just deflate....

658 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:38:48pm

re: #645 beblebrox

unfortunately, america, for wrong or right, is in a surly mood with the word conservative right now. i think wholehearted support for any candidate from the conservative movement this time around would be the kiss of death to any candidate. We may not like that, but i really see that as the case.

Too many have learned that you can vote yourself 'free stuff'... you just have to trade away your freedoms and become dependent.

659 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:38:59pm

re: #633 buzzsawmonkey

Where the whiskey meets the sour
Where the Gin meets the fizz
Where the super meets the power
Where the show bumps the biz.

660 opnion  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:38:59pm

re: #592 alegrias

* * *
If it frightens Al Qaeda & Hamas & Iran and their sympathizers, I'm all for crazy addled temperamental America-loving President willing to die for his country, or at least take another 4 years of punishment as he did from the VietCong!

I take your point. Actually he was held five and a half years by the North Vietnamese in Hanoi. His conduct the qualifies him as a hero not to be president.
He, if Bin Laden & his pals become liberal Democrats McCain might see them as "Dear Friends"

661 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:39:36pm

Well, if you all will excuse me, I have to go reduce my risk of prostate cancer.
As usual, my experience here has been satisfactory, in the extreme.

662 wolfie  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:39:46pm

re: #627 eschew_obfuscation

I saw Hugh Laurie on one of the late night shows with what sounded like an Australian accent.....but on "House", he has no accent......good enough that until I saw him out of context of the show, I didn't know he had an accent.

I read something where Laurie said the accent difference is what got him the role. He has to concentrate so hard to do it that it gives him a weird kind of intensity.....exactly what the producers were looking for!

663 mama winger  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:39:46pm

re: #627 eschew_obfuscation

I saw Hugh Laurie on one of the late night shows with what sounded like an Australian accent.....but on "House", he has no accent......good enough that until I saw him out of context of the show, I didn't know he had an accent.

Hugh Laurie is British. He had a couple of TV shows in England before House. I have one of the shows, Jeeves and Wooster, on DVD. It's HILARIOUS !

You can find clips on Youtube.

664 beblebrox  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:39:53pm

re: #630 LanceKates

did somebody say waffles?

665 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:39:58pm

re: #654 Occasional Reader

My jaw dropped when I watched one of those "Making of..." shows about Blackhawk Down. Practically ALL the guys playing US Rangers and Delta Force in that movie are Brits and Aussies.

Are there sufficient American Actors that would take that job?

(Are those the jobs that illegal immigrants are getting when they say that they just take the jobs Americans dont want?)

666 Ma Sands  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:40:15pm

re: #655 mama winger

I had to transfer my as-yet-unbloomed tulips to the other side of the house, because the gas people came and uncovered the foundation of my house....said there was a leak they had to find.....exciting.... :)

667 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:40:24pm

re: #596 coquimbojoe

Britney spears and Gwyneth Paltrow too. People seem to think that the accent makes them sound smarter, unfortunately for them, we knew them before they got all fancy talkin.

Gwyneth is the only one who pulls it off.

* * *
Hillary can do southern when she has to, though she's a Noo Yawk Yankee from Obama's home town of Chicago, with a little Scranton Pennsylvanian thrown in for good measure.

McCain says "Warshington" like he's from Baltimore.

668 coquimbojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:40:40pm

re: #661 rawmuse

Well, if you all will excuse me, I have to go reduce my risk of prostate cancer.
As usual, my experience here has been satisfactory, in the extreme.

Just listen to Hillary's voice if you ever need to concentrate again, and, er, not reduce the risk as it were....

669 ethanxxx  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:41:15pm

re: #661 rawmuse

SOY! Eat SOY! Proven to reduce prostate cancer.

670 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:41:24pm

re: #665 LanceKates

Are there sufficient American Actors that would take that job?

They could have just cast Chuck Norris as the entire Ranger and Delta Force contingent. He could have carried out the role while napping.

671 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:41:36pm

re: #661 rawmuse

Well, if you all will excuse me, I have to go reduce my risk of prostate cancer.
As usual, my experience here has been satisfactory, in the extreme.

Ewwww.

672 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:41:44pm

re: #669 ethanxxx

SOY! Eat SOY! Proven to reduce prostate cancer.

and may only be PARTIALLY linked to feminization of babies.

673 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:41:50pm
674 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:42:01pm

re: #632 coquimbojoe

Y de donde eres? Nativo de EEUU u otra lugar?

* * *
Si y Si! Nacida en base militar Americana, en Torrejon de Ardoz.

675 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:42:08pm

re: #670 Occasional Reader

They could have just cast Chuck Norris as the entire Ranger and Delta Force contingent. He could have carried out the role while napping.

careful. He'll roundhouse kick you.

676 Sir Napsalot  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:42:22pm

My first thought was "Can somebody send a truck load of waffles to McCain, please?"

677 mama winger  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:42:33pm

re: #666 Ma Sands

I had to transfer my as-yet-unbloomed tulips to the other side of the house, because the gas people came and uncovered the foundation of my house....said there was a leak they had to find.....exciting.... :)

A gas leak? Oh Ma! Are they going to be able to fix it poperly? ARe you OK?

678 hermeneutics  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:42:36pm

Here's my $.02:

Obama has successfully portrayed himself in the MSM as someone who won't stoop to gutter politics, negative campaigning, etc. In the last couple weeks, Hillary has been trying to paint him as a typical, negative politician ... with dubious success. IN the midst of this, McCain disavows the NC ad.

Think about McCain's reputation. For several months, McCain has been portrayed in the MSM as a heroic, war-mongering, street-fighter who married "up" for access and money.

Now, McCain steals the high road from Obama cheaply. He merely says he won't stoop to associating Obama with Wright (which only has the opposite effect because people are discussing Ob and Wr. together).

Their respective portrayals in the MSM are not true, of course, but that doesn't matter: Obama is not honorable and McCain is not a war-monger. Still, lingering perceptions the MSM imparts is slowly being changed by McCain.

I frankly don't care if McCain is cleverly manipulating the MSM. Maybe he just got lucky in this strategy. Maybe he really believes that he's taking the high road. Either way, what he's doing is smart politics for the NC Repubs don't have to run the ad anymore. Their proxies in Rush, etc., are replaying their ad for them. Now, the NC Repubs can keep their money to fight again another day. An additional side benefit is that McCain gains Independent voters who see him as upright and moderate, important in the GE.

McCain is still the best of the three contenders. Sad but true. Politics is compromise.

679 ethanxxx  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:42:40pm

re: #672 LanceKates

Really?

680 beblebrox  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:42:43pm

re: #658 LanceKates

Too many have learned that you can vote yourself 'free stuff'... you just have to trade away your freedoms and become dependent.

I sadly agree. the thing that is even worse, is that many see that as a fair trade, so long as they have 500 channels of digital cable, and a new variant of american idol, or dancing with the stars on every night.

681 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:43:09pm

re: #654 Occasional Reader

My jaw dropped when I watched one of those "Making of..." shows about Blackhawk Down. Practically ALL the guys playing US Rangers and Delta Force in that movie are Brits and Aussies.

That's odd.....any idea what led to that?

682 Widow'smight  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:43:15pm

re: #571 mama winger

I think that's what happened to me. 13 years later, now she doesn't need the club anymore.

Watch out for those Phillies, Mama. Might be out in Chicago in June, wifee has a conference. If I go, I'm bringing one of the Girls to pal around with. If it's Mini-mom, I'll be making a visit to the American Girl Store.

683 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:43:15pm

re: #605 opnion

He doesn't like you either, or me or anybody here.
We do not rise to the level of his 'Dear Friend", Teddy Kennedy

* * *
Not true.

684 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:43:16pm

re: #675 LanceKates

re: #670 Occasional Reader

They could have just cast Chuck Norris as the entire Ranger and Delta Force contingent. He could have carried out the role while napping.

careful. He'll roundhouse kick you.

Actually, I sould clarify: Chuck Norris doesn't "nap". He just declines to kill things for a few minutes.

685 mama winger  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:43:24pm

please dcxuse the typos - my hands are not cooeperating anymore.

I'll be back later hopfully

686 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:43:32pm

re: #663 mama winger

Hugh Laurie is British. He had a couple of TV shows in England before House. I have one of the shows, Jeeves and Wooster, on DVD. It's HILARIOUS !

You can find clips on Youtube.

He was also on Black Adder. Funny stuff.

687 bosforus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:43:36pm

re: #640 Peacekeeper

Eek! Ape creep!

688 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:44:01pm

re: #676 Sir Napsalot

My first thought was "Can somebody send a truck load of waffles to McCain, please?"

* * *
He prefers donuts with sprinkles, and Americano coffee.

689 Ma Sands  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:44:15pm

re: #677 mama winger

Oh, yeah....I'm indestructible, until I'm not..... :)

They dug all the way back through the boulevard, and jackhammered up the street.......now the cars have to detour --all because of ME --I feel so important! :)

690 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:44:22pm

re: #669 ethanxxx

SOY! Eat SOY! Proven to reduce prostate cancer.

I'll stick with mastrubation.

691 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:44:27pm

re: #679 ethanxxx

Really?

yup. something in soy is close enough to estrogen that the body uses it as such.

In adults it isn't enough to cause an issue unless you live on it, but some have said there is a link to effiminization of babies, some said it might bring out a sickness.

692 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:44:41pm

re: #678 hermeneutics

Politics is compromise.

Yep.

btw -- I wasn't trying to be argumentative last night; actually I think we're more or less in agreement. I was way too strung out to put my thoughts together in any coherent fashion.

693 Render  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:44:43pm

re: #637 formercorpsman

He ran?

He ran naked through the girls locker room?

I woulda walked, slowly, ever so slowly...

SHOW
OFF,
R

694 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:45:07pm

re: #670 Occasional Reader

They could have just cast Chuck Norris Jack Bauer as the entire Ranger and Delta Force contingent. He could have carried out the role while napping.

.....much better ;~)

695 Ma Sands  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:45:14pm

re: #685 mama winger

I AM SO SORRY.....I did not know!

Praying.....

696 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:45:15pm

re: #685 mama winger

I'll be back later hopfully

Don't worry, be hoppy!

697 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:45:27pm

re: #680 beblebrox

I sadly agree. the thing that is even worse, is that many see that as a fair trade, so long as they have 500 channels of digital cable, and a new variant of american idol, or dancing with the stars on every night.

Every right has a responsibility. All you have to do is focus on the responsibility in a negative light, then offer something for 'free' in exchange for the government taking that responsibility for you.

When they take the responsibility, they also get the right.

and you get the shaft.

698 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:45:47pm

re: #621 buzzsawmonkey

Totally off topic: is Hillary's voice grating enough to make potato pancakes, or what?

* * *
In Pennsylvania Dutch country, we say Kartoffelpuffer mit Apfelmuss, as Hillary might say it herself when back home.

699 paxnhymn  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:45:53pm

re: #669 ethanxxx

SOY! Eat SOY! Proven to reduce prostate cancer.

(cough!) ya mean like tofu? one may as well eat SHIT!

700 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:46:00pm

re: #690 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

As Woody Allen said "Sex with someone I love."

701 redstateredneck  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:46:01pm

re: #678 hermeneutics
I just learned your nic in Bible study the other night!

702 Silhouette  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:46:06pm

re: #654 Occasional Reader

Practically ALL the guys playing US Rangers and Delta Force in that movie are Brits and Aussies.

Vivian Lee was a Brit, and when southerners were asked if they minded that the penultimate southern belle was being played by a ferriner, they said they didn't mind at all as long as it wasn't a Yankee.

703 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:46:38pm

re: #684 Occasional Reader

Actually, I sould clarify: Chuck Norris doesn't "nap". He just declines to kill things for a few minutes.


Chuck Norris doesn't sleep - he waits.

705 beblebrox  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:46:58pm

re: #697 LanceKates

Every right has a responsibility. All you have to do is focus on the responsibility in a negative light, then offer something for 'free' in exchange for the government taking that responsibility for you.

When they take the responsibility, they also get the right.

and you get the shaft.

man, you nailed that on the head.

706 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:47:08pm

re: #703 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

So that's who Stinky is in real life.

707 ethanxxx  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:47:26pm

re: #678 hermeneutics

Thank You... Well put, I needed that. It still pisses me off though, being from NC. McCain really doesn't need to say or do anything right now. He should follow his own advise:
"When your enemies are busy eating each other... Pass the salt and excuse yourself from the table."

708 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:47:33pm

re: #628 Omni

McCain is a jerkoff and can be utterly maddening when he pulls stuff like this.

But he is the *only* responsible choice for the Presidency this election left to us.

I do not belive that electing either of the two Marxists would teach some kind of "lesson" to the Republican party or America on the whole from which we can later correct ourselves. I belive it will prove to be ultimately fatal for America and Western civilization in general.

* * *
Best to think of him as a Patton, spluttering & apoplectic but tough on the enemy. And when McCain slaps his own soldiers like Patton did, it's because he LOVES US, he really loves us!

709 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:47:48pm

re: #705 beblebrox

man, you nailed that on the head.

I am young in age, but not always in mind.

Personal Responsibility is being billed as a bad thing for a reason . . .

710 paxnhymn  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:48:13pm

re: #683 alegrias

* * *
Not true.

maybe more right than not. There is now a new aristocracy in America...new "Blue bloods"...by all indications the next POTUS may be one.

711 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:48:15pm

re: #598 3 wood

what about a nice mutton lettuce and tomato sandwich, on some nice whole wheat toast?

712 opnion  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:48:39pm

re: #678 hermeneutics

That John McCain is a hero & patriot is beyond question.
I voted in the Republican primary because I wanted a Republican.
Instead, I got McCain.
Is he the best of the three? Sure , but the bar is low & not one of em would be a good president.

713 ethanxxx  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:48:50pm

re: #690 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I can masturbate at the drop of a hat. I guess that's why they don't let me into Hats Are Us anymore.

714 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:49:21pm
715 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:49:26pm

re: #699 paxnhymn

(cough!) ya mean like tofu? one may as well eat SHIT!


But soy milk is natural - even though it's processed in labs & seeing as how we're mammals, it's kinda natural for us to drink real milk.

716 Widow'smight  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:50:23pm

re: #587 mama winger


I didn't know you had wolves, I thought you liked dogs like this.

[Link: farm2.static.flickr.com...]

717 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:50:47pm

re: #84 toomanysnax

"On the Democrat side, you have a bitch who is a lawyer, married to a bastard lawyer, and a lawyer who is married to a WhineyAssBitch who is a lawyer.

Better?

718 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:50:51pm

re: #704 BabbaZee

We have two trolls on the spit in case any one is hungry.

Good night, that thread is still active?

719 hermeneutics  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:50:53pm

re: #692 Lucius Septimius

No problem. I was hoping you'd stick around to answer some questions, that's all. Another day.

720 3 wood  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:51:08pm

re: #644 joecitizen

or,as the noted philosopher David Lee Roth said,"It's true that money can't buy happiness.But it can buy you a boat big enough to sail right up next to it!"


The line I heard was "Money can't buy you love, but it sure helps at closing time."

721 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:51:28pm

re: #715 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

But soy milk is natural - even though it's processed in labs & seeing as how we're mammals, it's kinda natural for us to drink real milk.

at a time in which we're urged to eat all-natural things, we need to remember that this includes 'all-natural' things like foods processed and broken down then changed into look like other things.

tofu, soy milk, tofurky, etc.

722 hermeneutics  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:51:34pm

re: #701 redstateredneck

It took me eight years of grad school to learn my nic!

723 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:51:49pm

re: #626 Occasional Reader

Who are you calling "dense"? Eh?

* * *
At least I respect the USA's borders--No soy mejicana sin fronteras! I love & respect our hard-won borders.

And I thank the Catholic kings for sending Columbus west on the Nina, Pinta and Santa Maria.

724 Dianna  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:51:51pm

re: #623 Lucius Septimius

That sounds more like fibromyalgia than it does like arthritis. Does it hurt to breathe?

725 paxnhymn  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:51:54pm
726 UFO TOFU  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:51:57pm

re: #598 3 wood
Did you see this (sorry, old news I know)?
US Senators Grow Louder In Call For Oil-Market Probe

Klobuchar said that "the way the whole oil market is set up with the way people can speculate on the margins has contributed to this.

"We know we want to phase it out, but I think until we build the replacements for gasoline that there ought to be a prohibition on market speculation," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif. "These prices are all driven up by all kinds of different speculative practices."

727 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:52:11pm

re: #722 hermeneutics

It took me eight years of grad school to learn my nic!

isn't that the book by the scientology guy?

/ public school.

728 mama winger  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:52:12pm

re: #716 Widow'smight

I didn't know you had wolves, I thought you liked dogs like this.

[Link: farm2.static.flickr.com...]

Lurking because it's hard to typp - I LOVE that picture ! LOve it love it love it q

729 Bloodnok  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:52:19pm

re: #686 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hugh Laurie (with Emma Thompson among others) on the Young Ones in 1984. Classic University Challenge bit.

730 paxnhymn  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:53:02pm

re: #725 paxnhymn

crap. messed up. you mean pelto? Been around as long as you and I but hardly ever posts...who's the other one?

731 opnion  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:53:24pm

re: #703 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Chuck Norris doesn't do push ups.He pushes down the Earth

732 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:53:25pm
733 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:53:25pm

re: #702 Silhouette

Vivian Lee was a Brit, and when southerners were asked if they minded that the penultimate southern belle was being played by a ferriner, they said they didn't mind at all as long as it wasn't a Yankee.

Well, she was lovely.

734 jcm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:53:25pm

re: #697 LanceKates

Every right has a responsibility. All you have to do is focus on the responsibility in a negative light, then offer something for 'free' in exchange for the government taking that responsibility for you.

When they take the responsibility, they also get the right.

and you get the shaft.

DING! DING! DING!

I have in the back of my mind working on the corollary to the Bill of Rights.
The Bill of Responsibility, The Duty of Citizens when Exercising Their Rights.

735 beblebrox  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:53:53pm

re: #709 LanceKates

I am young in age, but not always in mind.

Personal Responsibility is being billed as a bad thing for a reason . . .

the libertarian in me says that in matters of living, you're on your own. the conservative in me says that you have to accept the consequences of your decisions in living like your way.

736 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:54:09pm

re: #727 LanceKates

isn't that the book by the scientology guy?

/ public school.

Ha! Nice one. I'm stealing that.

737 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:54:09pm

re: #731 opnion

Chuck Norris doesn't do push ups.He pushes down the Earth

technically, we all do.

738 hermeneutics  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:54:15pm

re: #712 opnion

I totally agree that McCain is a compromise candidate. I'm from AZ and I'm horrified at some of his political antics.

BUT HE'S THE BEST OF THE THREE.

That's the bottom line.

739 bosforus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:55:00pm

re: #737 LanceKates

technically, we all do.

technically, the earth also pushes us up

740 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:55:11pm

re: #738 hermeneutics

as Babba says, the lesser of 3 evils...........

741 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:55:12pm

re: #737 LanceKates

technically, we all do.

Yeah, but when we do it, the Earth doesn't say "Ow! Cut it out!".

742 Endangered in MASS  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:55:22pm

re: #641 mama winger


Last time I freed my banana I got in trouble.

743 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:55:27pm

re: #734 jcm

DING! DING! DING!

I have in the back of my mind working on the corollary to the Bill of Rights.
The Bill of Responsibility, The Duty of Citizens when Exercising Their Rights.

nice, I've thought about writing something up similar to that.

re: #735 beblebrox

the libertarian in me says that in matters of living, you're on your own. the conservative in me says that you have to accept the consequences of your decisions in living like your way.

The conservative in me says "Do what you want so long as it doesn't affect me or mine."

The christian in me says "after all, you're the one who has to answer to God in the end."

744 Salem  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:55:30pm

I still have no intention of voting for McCain in the membrane. No McKool-aid for me. Republicans clearly will have to learn their lesson. They should have punished McCain for being such a maggot, oops sorry--maverick.

Old fart's probably going to win, anyway. But I will not sanction this enemy of the Republican party.

745 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:55:59pm

re: #739 bosforus

technically, the earth also pushes us up

BIG EARTH IS RIPPING US OFF!

(sit on that and spin, enviro-weenies! HA!)

746 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:56:01pm

re: #742 Endangered in MASS

if you ain't gettin in trouble from time to time, you ain't tryin' mister!

747 Dianna  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:56:02pm

re: #693 Render

Ah...I remember a streaker at my high school. He was doing fine until he raced to cross the major street cutting the campus in half.

He tripped. He fell. He slid. Face down.

There was a great picture in the yearbook of Tanya somebody, a little thing with great big brown eyes. She was standing, both hands over her mouth, her eyes just huge, having witnessed this.

748 hermeneutics  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:56:15pm

re: #740 BulgarWheat

Babba says it better. Yes. The lesser of three evils.

749 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:56:20pm

re: #741 Occasional Reader

Yeah, but when we do it, the Earth doesn't say "Ow! Cut it out!".

is that a fat joke?

you're so sued!

/ scientologist

750 brainwizard73  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:56:29pm

re: #534 incanus

You probably shoot loons out of season, whiz on morrel mushrooms and hate blueberry muffins, too, you anti-green de facto cheeshead!

Whoops, self examination is a harsh thing...

751 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:56:55pm

re: #744 Salem

I still have no intention of voting for McCain in the membrane. No McKool-aid for me. Republicans clearly will have to learn their lesson. They should have punished McCain for being such a maggot, oops sorry--maverick.

Old fart's probably going to win, anyway. But I will not sanction this enemy of the Republican party.

while I agree with the gist of what you say, I think making fun of his age is poor.

752 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:57:07pm

meeting time.

753 BabbaZee  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:57:07pm

re: #718 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

sadly yes

754 3 wood  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:57:20pm

re: #711 BulgarWheat

what about a nice mutton lettuce and tomato sandwich, on some nice whole wheat toast?


Nah, I don;t like mutton, but get a good kosher hot dog from a real kosher deli, with mustard and diced onions, and you are very close to heaven on earth.

755 bosforus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:57:21pm

re: #745 LanceKates

Big Earth blows! Gravity's holding us down. If the earth wasn't so damn selfish with its mass we'd all be a little bit freer.

756 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:57:23pm

re: #724 Dianna

Some -- but most of the other symptoms don't match up.

757 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:57:24pm

re: #747 Dianna

I streaked on a bike once. Skidded in a yard, the grass stains hung around for way too long in places they should not have been.

Hey, these things happen. Hopefully they don't happen more than once.

758 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:57:43pm

re: #678 hermeneutics

Here's my $.02:

Obama has successfully portrayed himself in the MSM as someone who won't stoop to gutter politics, negative campaigning, etc. In the last couple weeks, Hillary has been trying to paint him as a typical, negative politician ... with dubious success. IN the midst of this, McCain disavows the NC ad.

Think about McCain's reputation. For several months, McCain has been portrayed in the MSM as a heroic, war-mongering, street-fighter who married "up" for access and money.

Now, McCain steals the high road from Obama cheaply. He merely says he won't stoop to associating Obama with Wright (which only has the opposite effect because people are discussing Ob and Wr. together).

Their respective portrayals in the MSM are not true, of course, but that doesn't matter: Obama is not honorable and McCain is not a war-monger. Still, lingering perceptions the MSM imparts is slowly being changed by McCain.

I frankly don't care if McCain is cleverly manipulating the MSM. Maybe he just got lucky in this strategy. Maybe he really believes that he's taking the high road. Either way, what he's doing is smart politics for the NC Repubs don't have to run the ad anymore. Their proxies in Rush, etc., are replaying their ad for them. Now, the NC Repubs can keep their money to fight again another day. An additional side benefit is that McCain gains Independent voters who see him as upright and moderate, important in the GE.

McCain is still the best of the three contenders. Sad but true. Politics is compromise.

* * *
Mwah, thank you--and it doesn't cost much money, while the Dems are spending spending spending themselves into the gutter. It's efficient and may attract people turned off by the dems' slugfest.

759 wolfie  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:58:01pm

re: #697 LanceKates

I can only give you one ding for that?!
Well said.

760 paxnhymn  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:58:31pm

re: #738 hermeneutics

I totally agree that McCain is a compromise candidate. I'm from AZ and I'm horrified at some of his political antics.

BUT HE'S THE BEST OF THE THREE.

That's the bottom line.

damn. That's like being on death row and they say, "OK. it's either firing squad, hanging, or we cut your arms and legs off and pardon you."

"wow. I;m lucky to be alive. Now I can go play third base with the neighborhood kids."

:-?

761 hermeneutics  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:59:06pm

re: #751 LanceKates

As a 40-something, I, too, wonder if all the criticism of McCain's age will help him more than hurt him. I just finished reading an article on Murdoch who is 78 years old and still plotting to take over the American MSM. No mention in that article of his age, other than he feels a bit hurried.

762 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:59:15pm
763 jcm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:59:18pm

re: #735 beblebrox

the libertarian in me says that in matters of living, you're on your own. the conservative in me says that you have to accept the consequences of your decisions in living like your way.

The libertarian in me says you on your own, and own the consequences.

The conservative in me says certain individual actions have consequences that affect more than the individual. When those actions impact society, society gets a vote.

764 Atweber  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 12:59:27pm

[Link: gizmodo.com...]


Hillary's new campaign spinner.

765 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:00:57pm

re: #754 3 wood

was thinking Billy Crystal's character from Never Ending Story.

Miracle Max.

766 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:01:04pm
767 bosforus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:01:50pm

re: #764 Atweber

[Link: gizmodo.com...]


Hillary's new campaign spinner.

Watching that thing catch its balance after getting kicked is unreal. It's jaw dropping, actually.

768 jcm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:01:54pm

re: #739 bosforus

technically, the earth also pushes us up

I recall doing the math for the effect on the earth of a person jumping up in the air....

A really, really small number.

769 Atweber  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:02:21pm

[Link: www.liberalscum.com:80...]

WMD's revisisted yet again

770 hermeneutics  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:02:32pm

re: #758 alegrias

How often can Dem's dip into their pockets to support Obama? At some point, the well runs dry. The more $$$ Obama spends in the primary, the less he'll have in the GE. Similarly, the more the parties and 502s spend in the primaries, the less they'll have in the GE.

Repubs are playing their cheaper hand well.

771 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:04:38pm

re: #768 jcm

I recall doing the math for the effect on the earth of a person jumping up in the air....

A really, really small number.

Well, that depends.

772 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:05:15pm

re: #761 hermeneutics

As a 40-something, I, too, wonder if all the criticism of McCain's age will help him more than hurt him. I just finished reading an article on Murdoch who is 78 years old and still plotting to take over the American MSM. No mention in that article of his age, other than he feels a bit hurried.

* * *
They're doing mass firings at the New York Times (was on NY Post website today), meanwhile Murdoch's beefing up the fantastic Wall Street Journal to totally humiliate the NYT! Yeehah, go Rupert you Aussie Wildman! And Thanks for FOX NEWS CABLE, for breaking my PBS McNeil-Lehrer NewsHour habit.

773 bosforus  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:05:15pm

re: #766 Lucius Septimius

Big Earth Blows indeed.

I know, how much of a carbon footprint do you think a volcano has?

774 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:05:45pm

re: #765 BulgarWheat

was thinking Billy Crystal's character from Never Ending Story.

Miracle Max.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

That's Princess Bride

775 Silhouette  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:05:48pm

OT - IAEA's ElBaradei's is whining that no one told them there was a nuclear reactor in Syria being built secretly by North Korea.

A) It is your job, scumbag, not ours, to find out and know these things and then report them to the rest of the world. That is your reason for being.

B) Don't you think you should be more angry at the actual bad guys in this, Syria and NK, for trying to create the weapons and for lying to you than you are at those that did your job for you?

776 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:06:10pm

re: #773 bosforus

I know, how much of a carbon footprint do you think a volcano has?

Naw, that's Gaia's chronic halitosis acting up again.

777 hermeneutics  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:06:25pm

re: #772 alegrias

I saw that article too. Made me smile.

778 jcm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:06:27pm

re: #769 Atweber

[Link: www.liberalscum.com:80...]

WMD's revisisted yet again

I use those on some "Impeach Bush" coworkers. Okay, who every said this, ... should be removed from office? They agreed with me, okay, lets toss 'em.

They were not amused.

779 opnion  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:07:18pm

re: #760 paxnhymn

damn. That's like being on death row and they say, "OK. it's either firing squad, hanging, or we cut your arms and legs off and pardon you."

"wow. I;m lucky to be alive. Now I can go play third base with the neighborhood kids."

:-?

You just nailed it. I don't feel like I have a dog in the fight.
How did this guy (McCain) get nominated?

780 hermeneutics  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:07:23pm

Need to write. My playtime on LGF has ended. Later, all.

781 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:07:33pm

re: #730 paxnhymn

crap. messed up. you mean pelto? Been around as long as you and I but hardly ever posts...who's the other one?

Actually, I'm seeing three: Chuckie, Age of Freedom, and some noobtroll named kuffarharbi.

/getting quite nasty, they are

782 Widow'smight  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:08:29pm

re: #728 mama winger

I am surrounded by beauty, but beauty does come with a price.

Lot of head shaking happens.

783 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:08:36pm

re: #774 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thank you! I should have caught that when I did the youtube search.

I actually like both films.

784 coquimbojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:08:48pm

re: #781 Fat Jolly Penguin

Actually, I'm seeing three: Chuckie, Age of Freedom, and some noobtroll named kuffarharbi.

/getting quite nasty, they are

Its a very tiresome thread over there.

785 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:09:10pm

re: #770 hermeneutics

How often can Dem's dip into their pockets to support Obama? At some point, the well runs dry. The more $$$ Obama spends in the primary, the less he'll have in the GE. Similarly, the more the parties and 502s spend in the primaries, the less they'll have in the GE.

Repubs are playing their cheaper hand well.

* * *

Dems can keep going back to their worshipful small contributors many many times. Plus think of the foreign contributions the dems collect from Hamas/Iran-funded admirers of Jimmy Carter, China Clinton supporters, etc.

McCain is master of the free-media, or was until they turned against him. Remember McCain was on the cover of TIMES? Those worshipful days are gone, but he still knows how to amplify his message for cheap. McCain likes being the insurgent, he didn't do well as a conventional, top heavy candidate last year.

786 coquimbojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:09:46pm

re: #784 coquimbojoe

Its a very tiresome thread over there.

There's no funny, no nothing.

787 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:10:12pm

re: #764 Atweber

[Link: gizmodo.com...]


Hillary's new campaign spinner.

THAT. IS. TRIPPY.

Check it out, folks.

788 paxnhymn  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:10:28pm

re: #772 alegrias

* * *
They're doing mass firings at the New York Times (was on NY Post website today), meanwhile Murdoch's beefing up the fantastic Wall Street Journal to totally humiliate the NYT! Yeehah, go Rupert you Aussie Wildman! And Thanks for FOX NEWS CABLE, for breaking my PBS McNeil-Lehrer NewsHour habit.

be careful. Murdoch has petitioned the gov to be able to buy two more rags in NY, effectively putting the kabash on competetion in that market. Capitalism only works well when there's HEALTHY competition, no matter what the source. Besides, you don't want one individual, no matter what side their on, to control the media; it quells any dessent.

789 3 wood  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:10:32pm

re: #726 UFO TOFU


Price has gone up mostly due to thin supply and increasing inelastic demand.

You can "speculate" a price out of whack in the market for a short time and I mean a very short time.

But what you have now is a revaluing of energy in the market.

Once demand subsides you will see prices drop.

When that will be, I have no idea. I still see people driving 75 mph in 45 mph speed zones.

790 jcm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:11:02pm

re: #786 coquimbojoe

There's no funny, no nothing.

I noted that a chose to pass.

791 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:12:03pm

re: #784 coquimbojoe

Its a very tiresome thread over there.

That it is. They don't really seem to be on topic anymore, either; just insulting...

792 yma o hyd  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:12:12pm

re: #714 buzzsawmonkey

Old joke: When Oxford was still an all-male school, there was a section of the river reserved for student swimming, where the young men would swim naked.

One day, a punt full of young ladies rounded the bend in the river; the students leapt out of the water and hurriedly wrapped towels around their waists--but one elderly professor, also in a state of nature, threw his towel over his head.

Once the boat had passed, a student asked him why he had done this. The professor looked at him with disdain, and replied, "In Oxford, young man, I am known by my face!"

Teeheehee!

793 paxnhymn  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:12:44pm

re: #779 opnion

You just nailed it. I don't feel like I have a dog in the fight.
How did this guy (McCain) get nominated?


I DON'T have a dog in this fight. If any of us think the country is going to improve under McCain, we're kidding ourselves. The only thing that is going to happen is the slide into the cesspool of socialism will be retarded a bit...

794 wolfie  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:12:49pm

re: #744 Salem

I still have no intention of voting for McCain in the membrane. No McKool-aid for me. Republicans clearly will have to learn their lesson. They should have punished McCain for being such a maggot, oops sorry--maverick.

Old fart's probably going to win, anyway. But I will not sanction this enemy of the Republican party.

The chief lesson that will be learned if Obama wins is that an anti-American, Hamas-hugging, crypto-Marxist can win a national election. It will pull all the goalposts of national politics far to the left. Before long GOP "moderates" will make McCain look pretty good.
I would prefer a reprise of the McGovern lesson.

795 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:14:43pm

re: #793 paxnhymn

I DON'T have a dog in this fight. If any of us think the country is going to improve under McCain, we're kidding ourselves. The only thing that is going to happen is the slide into the cesspool of socialism will be retarded a bit...

Charles really needs to fix the commenting system so we can give ten zillion updings at a time.

/unfortunately, you'll just have to take my one for what it's worth... :(

796 Oh no...Sand People!  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:14:53pm

re: #58 zombie

Here's an interesting possibility:

McCain is actually signalling to US -- we independent bloggers.

Here's what he's saying:

"I will take the high road -- absolutely no negative ads, and I will not attack my opponents. Strictly a positive 'message campaign.'

However, that means it is up to YOU, my unaffiliated supporters, to be my attack dogs. I want you to take Obama (or Hillary) down, yet I also want to be able to honestly disassociate myself from you."

That way, we get the best of both worlds.

We'll SwiftBlog Obama while McCain keeps his hands clean.

How about it? I'm OK with that.

I'm late to the game here, but personally, I have had it. I am sick of talk radio being the ones carrying the 'water' for the republicans. I am sick of 'surrogates' being the mouthpiece for the republicans. They want to sit on Mount Olympus Vesuvius and pretend they are taking the 'high' ground. Screw them. They have no backbone and are now using the 'msm'/Dem's as the reason they will not get anything done.

"The MSM doesn't give us as much airtime..."

The hell it doesn't...pony up the money, cheap bastards, or actually begin ranting about policy moves the libs make then you will get PLENTY of FREE exposure then.

"But...but...I am a careerist and don't dare lead anyone...I might offend the libs."

That's the point.

"Donate MORE money to us...Then we can run ads and be offended when the ad is ran though..."

Last thing we can do now is let the republicans use the blogs as an additional crutch to talk radio for them to hold onto and let's see...not build a border fence, tap toe's underneath restroom stalls, build bridges to nowhere, 'reach across the aisle' / piss at a hurricane...they are a party of empty suits. Sad they are still the better option.

Screw 'liberal unity'. The only UNITY that will exist is when we all step up and the libs choose to see things OUR way.

I want McCain to hit and hit hard. He has no 'high ground' he has sold out countless times in the past. I am not voting for theologian. I am voting for a ********* politician. If this man wants my vote as well as a significant group of other disenfranchised conservatives, he better tear his opponents apart by any means necessary within the law.

If he thinks playing nice is going to give him a pass, he is either campaigning whilst drunk, campaigning whilst stupid, or both. Then to have the audacity of hope that he can pawn off the dirty work to others and let them take the flak...weak. Hillary Clinton, the love child of the MSM, has been thrown under the bus in less than 8 months. McCain is senile and delusional if he thinks Gang of 14, McCain/Kennedy, McCain/Fiengold and other brilliant policy votes, "I was against the Bush tax cuts before I was for them..." are just going to be swept under the rug.

McCain can earn my obviously meaningless vote in his eyes if he plays his cards right. But from this current pathetic display as well as previous others...This 'big tent' is so wonderful. I love having no clue what to stand for politically. Hooray for socialism lite...

My 2 cents...

(have to rant once in a while)

797 jcm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:15:41pm

re: #793 paxnhymn

I DON'T have a dog in this fight. If any of us think the country is going to improve under McCain, we're kidding ourselves. The only thing that is going to happen is the slide into the cesspool of socialism will be retarded a bit...

I'm looking at two things.

With either (D) we surrender the offensive in the WoT.
We have Gramsician Whores appointed to Bench.

We've been dealt dirty, and have the play it out.

798 3 wood  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:16:06pm

re: #791 Fat Jolly Penguin

That it is. They don't really seem to be on topic anymore, either; just insulting...

Yes, it's just body slamming now.

799 yochanan  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:16:12pm

how is the circular firing squad going this afternoon?

can't say i would want to run for office at this point of history.

800 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:16:13pm

re: #796 Oh no...Sand People!

Very nice rant. See my #795.

801 yma o hyd  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:16:25pm

re: #773 bosforus

I know, how much of a carbon footprint do you think a volcano has?

Ginormous - simply ginormous, I tellya

802 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:16:26pm

re: #788 paxnhymn

be careful. Murdoch has petitioned the gov to be able to buy two more rags in NY, effectively putting the kabash on competetion in that market. Capitalism only works well when there's HEALTHY competition, no matter what the source. Besides, you don't want one individual, no matter what side their on, to control the media; it quells any dessent.

* * *
As if the talented & lovely Rupert Murdoch can singlehandedly smite George Soros, Move0n.Org, Hollywood, the intelligentsia, etc!

I can dream. Faster, Rupert Murdoch, Faster!
(I saw this bummed out Air America woman whining about "evil" Fox--because Hillary Clinton and Terry McAuliffe went on Fox News--with Keith Olbermann. This Maddow person actually said Fox's mission is to "destroy the democrats' party"!
Delusional persecution complex, Air America lefties can't stand that ONE news outlet isn't democrat-controlled--they must have totalitarian control to be happy.

803 Salem  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:16:47pm

Trust me, if this guy gets elected, you'll be singing my tune within a month.

804 wolfie  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:17:19pm

re: #760 paxnhymn

damn. That's like being on death row and they say, "OK. it's either firing squad, hanging, or we cut your arms and legs off and pardon you."

"wow. I;m lucky to be alive. Now I can go play third base with the neighborhood kids."

:-?

Maybe so.
But I'll still pick life.

805 paxnhymn  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:17:26pm

re: #795 Fat Jolly Penguin

Charles really needs to fix the commenting system so we can give ten zillion updings at a time.

/unfortunately, you'll just have to take my one for what it's worth... :(

bien. merci. well, you like it. wow. I've got a friend. Well, with Babba that makes...uhhh....two!


/just kidding!

806 3 wood  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:17:42pm

re: #793 paxnhymn

I DON'T have a dog in this fight. If any of us think the country is going to improve under McCain, we're kidding ourselves. The only thing that is going to happen is the slide into the cesspool of socialism will be retarded a bit...

Best Idea I've heard is give McCain to the Democrats at their convention, and then we nominate a real conservative.

807 Spirit93  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:17:58pm

re: #269 ploome hineni

...being out of touch with reality, and being fuxking insane, are prerequisites for a job at the UN

Food price rises are "mass murder" - U.N. envoy
Sun Apr 20, 2008 3:13pm IST
VIENNA (Reuters) - Global food price rises are leading to "silent mass murder" and commodities markets have brought "horror" to the world, the United Nations' food envoy told an Austrian newspaper on Sunday.

Jean Ziegler, U.N. special rapporteur on the right to food, told Kurier am Sonntag that growth in biofuels, speculation on commodities markets and European Union export subsidies mean the West is responsible for mass starvation in poorer countries.

Ziegler said he was bound to highlight the "madness" of people who think that hunger is down to fate.

"Hunger has not been down to fate for a long time -- just as (Karl) Marx thought. It is rather that a murder is behind every victim. This is silent mass murder," he said in an interview.

Ziegler blamed globalisation for "monopolising the riches of the earth" and said multinationals were responsible for a type of "structural violence".

"And we have a herd of market traders, speculators and financial bandits who have turned wild and constructed a world of inequality and horror. We have to put a stop to this," he said.

Ziegler said he believed that one day starving people could rise up against their persecutors. "It's just as possible as the French Revolution was," he said.

the more insane, the higher the position


No mention of $120/barrel OPEC oil, of course.

808 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:19:18pm

re: #779 opnion

You just nailed it. I don't feel like I have a dog in the fight.
How did this guy (McCain) get nominated?

* * *
OK, how asleep at the wheel were you while the Republican primary season went on since last year? Many complained it was interminable, some refused to participate, and now some wonder what happened? This is no way to fight terrorism.

809 Adrenalyn  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:19:30pm

re: #58 zombie

Here's an interesting possibility:

McCain is actually signalling to US -- we independent bloggers.

Here's what he's saying:

"I will take the high road -- absolutely no negative ads, and I will not attack my opponents. Strictly a positive 'message campaign.'

However, that means it is up to YOU, my unaffiliated supporters, to be my attack dogs. I want you to take Obama (or Hillary) down, yet I also want to be able to honestly disassociate myself from you."

That way, we get the best of both worlds.

We'll SwiftBlog Obama while McCain keeps his hands clean.

How about it? I'm OK with that.


How about we add a twist to it....

We all vote the senile old bastard into office
then once he is inaugurated, get him imeached and removed from office and let the Veep take over
(big assumption that he chooses a sane one, I could see him picking someone like Maxine Waters, just to spite us all)

810 UFO TOFU  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:19:45pm

Thanks 3 wood.
I'm off to pick up the chilluns.

811 jcm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:20:00pm

re: #801 yma o hyd

Ginormous - simply ginormous, I tellya

A spit in the bucket compared to Algore.
/

812 yochanan  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:20:13pm

can i have cheese with the whine?

those who don't like the gop winner had a chance in the primary,
i accept when my canidate loses in a primary

enough said

813 vxbush  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:20:17pm

re: #807 Spirit93

No mention of $120/barrel OPEC oil, of course.

You realize that this "global food shortage" meme only started like a week ago? I only started seeing articles about this in the last week. Apparently over the entire winter it didn't matter.

814 yma o hyd  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:21:49pm

re: #811 jcm

A spit in the bucket compared to Algore.
/

Too too true ...

Pity one can't stick him into such a nice, lovely, Mother-Gaia-Hickup ...

815 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:21:49pm

Hey Obama and Wright:

"While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free,
Let us all be grateful for a land so fair,
As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer. "

God Bless America,
Land that I love.
Stand beside her, and guide her
Thru the night with a light from above.
From the mountains, to the prairies,
To the oceans, white with foam
God bless America, My home sweet home.

816 jcm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:22:09pm

re: #813 vxbush

You realize that this "global food shortage" meme only started like a week ago? I only started seeing articles about this in the last week. Apparently over the entire winter it didn't matter.

Next will be it's GWB bailing on Kyoto caused it.

817 BulgarWheat  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:22:56pm

re: #799 yochanan

Wow! That was interesting.

I forgot to bring ammo...dang!

818 Adrenalyn  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:22:56pm

re: #808 alegrias

* * *
OK, how asleep at the wheel were you while the Republican primary season went on since last year? Many complained it was interminable, some refused to participate, and now some wonder what happened? This is no way to fight terrorism.

we don't have a dog in the fight, look what the choices were:

Huckabee, a crazy southern bible thumper/preacher/squirrel blender-chopper-upper

Romney, member of a sex cult who's origins were polygamy
and who's tenets still are kooky (see planet full of virgins)

Ron Paul - (fill in the blank, not enough space)

Duncan Hunter/ Tom Tancredo
sadly, neither of these two even appeared on the radar

819 yma o hyd  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:23:54pm

re: #813 vxbush

You realize that this "global food shortage" meme only started like a week ago? I only started seeing articles about this in the last week. Apparently over the entire winter it didn't matter.

Yep - as soon as it hits the MSM, everybody rushes to stockpile food staples, doesn't matter that the shelves will be full next morning.

Nothing like a good old panic to sell more newspapers ...

820 kansas  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:24:22pm

New MSM thread...Shark Attack!

821 Widow'smight  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:24:36pm

re: #804 wolfie

Reminds of a 3 stooges episode where they asked the Stooges whether they'd like to be burned at the stake or have their heads chopped off.

Curly say Burned at the stake, they ask him why, he says...

I rather have a hot steak than a cold chop.

Oh well, hope you're having a wonderful day, how's Mr.Cannibus Lupus doing?

822 redstateredneck  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:24:40pm

re: #818 Adrenalyn

Huckabee, a crazy southern bible thumper/preacher/squirrel blender-chopper-upper popcorn popper cooker
He ain't that crazy!

823 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:25:54pm

re: #799 yochanan

how is the circular firing squad going this afternoon?

can't say i would want to run for office at this point of history.

* * *
I'm with you--who wants some of these defeatists in our foxhole? People here would frag their only choice for commander in chief who's actually interested in fighting the islamist threat, or who loved his country enough to take beatings from communists until near death, and still has fight left in him.

If I were Patton, I'd be slapping some hysterical lizards who'd rather curl up in their rockers like Jimmy Carter & accomodate the Ayatollah in 1979 and until 2008.

824 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:26:09pm
825 wolfie  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:26:15pm

re: #803 Salem

Trust me, if this guy gets elected, you'll be singing my tune within a month.

Nope. Because I don't expect much. I'm not voting for McCain because I think he'll stop the red train. I'm not even voting for him because I think he'll slow it down. I'm voting for him because I think he'll drive it at a slower speed than lead-foot Obama will. That's all I got. I don't like it.

826 beblebrox  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:26:27pm

re: #744 Salem

I still have no intention of voting for McCain in the membrane. No McKool-aid for me. Republicans clearly will have to learn their lesson. They should have punished McCain for being such a maggot, oops sorry--maverick.

Old fart's probably going to win, anyway. But I will not sanction this enemy of the Republican party.

sorry. i'm an American before i'm a Republican, or a Conservative. America doesn't deserve what Hillary or Obama would do to her, even less than the damage McCain will cause. No matter what the damage, America isn't going to come running to the Conservative movement begging for forgiveness and redemption. We have to offer something positive, not simply to repair prior damage.

827 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:26:32pm

Folks, after you're watched the robotic horse/mule video in #764 (and I really do recommend it), you can watch the hilarious spoof version here.

828 jcm  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:27:58pm

re: #815 Ojoe

Hey Obama and Wright:

"While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free,
Let us all be grateful for a land so fair,
As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer. "

God Bless America,
Land that I love.
Stand beside her, and guide her
Thru the night with a light from above.
From the mountains, to the prairies,
To the oceans, white with foam
God bless America, My home sweet home.

"While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
Let us swear surrender of a land that's free,
Let us all be disdainful for a land so fair,
As we raise our voices in a solemn curse. "

God Damn America,
Land that I loathe.
Abandon her, and forsake her
Thru to night with a fire from below.
From the mountains, to the prairies,
To the oceans, white with foam
God damn America, My home damned home.

Obama / Wright version.

829 strandedsf  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:28:33pm

You know what? I never thought I'd say something like this, but I'm starting to think Hillary has bigger stones than either of those other clowns and would make a better commander in chief. Somebody said it a couple of days ago -- everyone knows she's lying about pulling our troops out of Iraq because everyone knows you have to lie to democrats to get elected because they're insane and they won't vote for anyone who talks sense to them.

McCain is just a dumbass, there's no other word for it. I'm so tired of him standing up on the mountaintop lecturing down to us mere mortals. He's got that in common with his buddy, the Obamessiah. Does he want to win this contest, or not? At least Hillary's down in the mudpit getting dirty with the rest of us.

Does McCain have any idea whatsoever how FILTHY the election of 1864 was for Lincoln? Does he have any idea the kinds of insults and accusations that were hurled back and forth on both sides? Here is a nice poster from that election:

1864 Republican/Union Party Poster

Basically, if you voted for McClellan, the Democrat candidate and Lincoln's former chief general, you would be voting for: abject surrender, slavery to come to Pennsylvania, wages to fall, invasion, tyranny, anarchy and civil war within Union territory.

And that was one of the milder publications of the RNC of its day.

All the NC Republicans are doing is saying if you support Barack Obama you support someone with the bad judgment to sit in a church pew listening to a lunatic rave about the imaginary evils of the U.S. government and greedy white Americans and then expect to get elected president. And by any standard, that is pretty piss poor judgment. Other than getting photographed with Osama on a prayer rug in his cave, I can't think of anything dumber for someone running for US President to do. Can you?

McCain, either roll like our soldiers roll every day, or STFU and get out of the race.

830 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:29:02pm

re: #806 3 wood

Best Idea I've heard is give McCain to the Democrats at their convention, and then we nominate a real conservative.

* * *
You think the electorate that was so crazy & enthused about Thompson, Duncan Hunter, etc., that they forgot to vote for them during the primaries, will miraculously overturn a demonstrated democrat Tsunami this year?

831 Joel  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:29:20pm

re: #19 BulgarWheat

one liberal, one socialist, and one marxist. these are our choices in 2008?

Juan McCain should STFU and let those of us in North Carolina decide what kinds of adds we need for a Gubernatorial race.

one liberal, one socialist, and one marxist, how Effin' disappointing!

My point exactly. I always said the choice was between a liberal and two Socialists - however Obama is actually a Marxist (as you point out).

832 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:30:04pm

re: #812 yochanan

can i have cheese with the whine?

those who don't like the gop winner had a chance in the primary,
i accept when my canidate loses in a primary

enough said

* * *
Do you like Manchego? I'm with you all the way.

833 Dianna  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:30:27pm

re: #813 vxbush

Yeah, I noticed. I'm annoyed, because I have been worried for a while.

834 Joel  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:31:07pm

re: #829 strandedsf

Hillary (against my better judgment) is starting to look better and better as POTUS material to me. I only wish she would ditch her obnoxious husband - that would cinch the deal for me.

835 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:31:14pm

re: #832 alegrias

Do you like Manchego?

Que nacionalista!

836 wolfie  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:31:58pm

re: #821 Widow'smight

:D ROFLMAO !

Mr. Wolf is fine....I think. He took the afternoon off to take the kids on a nature study. I have the audacity to hope he will come back in one piece and of sane mind. (Them I don't worry about!)

837 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:32:10pm

re: #834 Joel

re: #829 strandedsf

Hillary (against my better judgment) is starting to look better and better as POTUS material to me.

Uh, you guys have fun with that.

No thanks.

838 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:32:48pm

re: #813 vxbush

You realize that this "global food shortage" meme only started like a week ago? I only started seeing articles about this in the last week. Apparently over the entire winter it didn't matter.

* * *
Elitist!

Obama said Arugula was outta sight.
Michelle said who could afford fresh fruit.

Next thing you know, Manhattan's streets will be filled with men wearing hats selling apples like during the great Depression.
(Fuji? Gala? Golden? Granny Smith?)

839 redstateredneck  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:33:14pm

I'm with Laura Ingraham; I'd like jor just one day that McCain doesn't insult conservatives.

840 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:34:31pm

re: #838 alegrias

I had a lefty tell me today that the "food shortage in America" was a sign of "America's failing economy". Uh... but there's no food shortage in America, you know that, right? It's just filipinos buying lots of rice at Costco to send home? "Well... still, America's economy is failing." Oh. Okay.

841 Widow'smight  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:35:52pm

re: #823 alegrias

McCain is the least Worserer of the 3, many of us will end up voting for him for that reason only.

One simple thing would improve the economy and our nation's security immensely, but he wouldn't ever think of doing it. There are an estimated 1 trillion barrels of oil in this country, go get it, and watch the price of oil plummet and the lives of every American improve vastly.

My Brother-in-law was in Vietnam, Ist gulf war and other hot spots as a Lt commander in the Navy. That shit meant nothing after he left my wonderful sister for a younger woman. He's trying to get us to forgive him, we'll see his actions.

McCain's treatment of Conservatives sucks.

842 wolfie  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:35:56pm

re: #832 alegrias

* * *
Do you like Manchego? I'm with you all the way.

Oooooh! Sounds good!
What kind of whine is yochanan serving? (hint, hint)

843 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:37:53pm

re: #765 BulgarWheat

was thinking Billy Crystal's character from Never Ending Story.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Greatest case of fraudulent advertising in American history.

844 Joel  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:37:57pm

re: #837 Occasional Reader

I am not a fan of Hillary's, however McCain really makes me sick to my stomach. He is a doddering, treacherous, liberal. GOP primary voters have given us - George HW Bush, Robert Dole, George W. bush, Juan McAmesty. Lovely. McAmnesty will be so uninspiring as POTUS that the Dems will expand their control over both Houses and McAmnesty and his girlfriend Miss Lindsey Graham would be fine with that. If George W. Bush started the decline of the GOP, McCAmnesty will be the grim reaper.

1. Juan Hernandez
2. McCain - Feingold
3. Gang of 14
4. No to the tax cuts (twice)
5. Amnesty
6. "That damned fence"
7. "No water boarding"
8. "close Guantanomo to plesae the Eurotrash crowd"
9. 'Bring jihadis to mainland US jails"
10. "Alito wears his conservatism on his sleeves."

I viscerally dislike McCain.

845 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:38:15pm

re: #825 wolfie

Nope. Because I don't expect much. I'm not voting for McCain because I think he'll stop the red train. I'm not even voting for him because I think he'll slow it down. I'm voting for him because I think he'll drive it at a slower speed than lead-foot Obama will. That's all I got. I don't like it.

* * *
McCain called his trusty rusty pack of slobbering reporters sitting in his Straight Talk Bus TROTSKYITES.

McCain knows Red. McCain even yelled at Fidel Castro recently, and Fidel yelled back. McCain knows Daniel Ortega of Nicaragua supports Obama, as does Hugo Chavez.

McCain knows who are America's friends and who are not, though he jokes around with Americans of all stripes. He will use the bully pulpit to make sure we stick together when we need to unite.

846 DistantThunder  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:40:38pm

McCain pushes my buttons - I smell a Rat

847 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:41:14pm

re: #840 Occasional Reader

I had a lefty tell me today that the "food shortage in America" was a sign of "America's failing economy". Uh... but there's no food shortage in America, you know that, right? It's just filipinos buying lots of rice at Costco to send home? "Well... still, America's economy is failing." Oh. Okay.

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Selfhating Blame America First folks, shopping at Whole Foods for Arugula & chanterelles.

In Zimbabwe's failing economy, Zimbabwean women crawl to neighboring countries, under barbed wire fences, to sell themselves for food...

That's a leftist run former bread basket turned into a failing economy!

848 Widow'smight  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:41:27pm

re: #836 wolfie


As long as he know's you're there waiting for him, not to worry.

849 DistantThunder  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:41:53pm

re: #844 Joel

I am not a fan of Hillary's, however McCain really makes me sick to my stomach. He is a doddering, treacherous, liberal. GOP primary voters have given us - George HW Bush, Robert Dole, George W. bush, Juan McAmesty. Lovely. McAmnesty will be so uninspiring as POTUS that the Dems will expand their control over both Houses and McAmnesty and his girlfriend Miss Lindsey Graham would be fine with that. If George W. Bush started the decline of the GOP, McCAmnesty will be the grim reaper.

1. Juan Hernandez
2. McCain - Feingold
3. Gang of 14
4. No to the tax cuts (twice)
5. Amnesty
6. "That damned fence"
7. "No water boarding"
8. "close Guantanomo to plesae the Eurotrash crowd"
9. 'Bring jihadis to mainland US jails"
10. "Alito wears his conservatism on his sleeves."

I viscerally dislike McCain.

Hey me too - it's going to be "Vote and Vomit" for me.

850 Joel  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:42:28pm

re: #849 DistantThunder

Alas, me too!

851 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:42:45pm

re: #835 Occasional Reader

Que nacionalista!

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At $20/pound even at Shoppers Food Warehouse, if I knew how to make Manchego sheepcheese, I'd be selling & stockpiling it now!

852 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:42:52pm

re: #840 Occasional Reader

I had a lefty tell me today that the "food shortage in America" was
a sign of "America's failing economy". Uh... but there's no food
shortage in America, you know that, right? It's just filipinos buying
lots of rice at Costco to send home? "Well... still, America's economy
is failing." Oh. Okay.


Why is there a rice shortage in the Philippines anyway? Isn't the climate there ideal for growing rice?

853 right_wing2  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:43:23pm

If BHO's unspoken support of Rev. Wright over the last 20+ years while such extreme statements shows, at best, very poor judgment. A Republican candidate for office who'd attended the Phelps church (God hates f-gs) for 20 years, but claimed not to know anything about Fred Phelps' beliefs would, justifiably, be called hateful and hopefully lose every race in a landslide.

854 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:43:29pm

re: #847 alegrias

* * *
Selfhating Blame America First folks, shopping at Whole Foods for Arugula & chanterelles.

In Zimbabwe's failing economy, Zimbabwean women crawl to neighboring countries, under barbed wire fences, to sell themselves for food...

That's a leftist run former bread basket turned into a failing economy!


If they could just implement communism correctly, it'd be a paradise I tell ya.

/taggy thing just to be sure

855 DistantThunder  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:43:35pm

We're all Maverick's now McCain, trying herding us cool cats around....say pretty please....we know how badly you want this.....play nice with us....don't insult us at the very least.

856 code red 21  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:43:51pm

re: #838 alegrias

* * *
Elitist!

Obama said Arugula was outta sight.
Michelle said who could afford fresh fruit.

Next thing you know, Manhattan's streets will be filled with men wearing hats selling apples like during the great Depression.
(Fuji? Gala? Golden? Granny Smith?)

At least we have more choices of apples now.

857 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:45:43pm

re: #847 alegrias

* * *
Selfhating Blame America First folks, shopping at Whole Foods for Arugula & chanterelles.

In Zimbabwe's failing economy, Zimbabwean women crawl to neighboring
countries, under barbed wire fences, to sell themselves for food...

That's a leftist run former bread basket turned into a failing economy!

Well at least the place isn't run by racists, like it was when it was known as Rhodesia.
/

858 DistantThunder  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:47:30pm

I found this:

McCain Blog - Make Your Opinions Known

It really does say that - so opine away.

859 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:47:36pm

re: #826 beblebrox

sorry. i'm an American before i'm a Republican, or a Conservative. America doesn't deserve what Hillary or Obama would do to her, even less than the damage McCain will cause. No matter what the damage, America isn't going to come running to the Conservative movement begging for forgiveness and redemption. We have to offer something positive, not simply to repair prior damage.

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Yes! America may be swooning for pseudo-messianic lefty motivational speakers now, but America doesn't deserve to find out what happens when the Red Mask falls off.

McCain was down in New Orleans wearing his NAVY hat. Not some lame Habitat for Humanity hammer.

We have to stand strong on defense, and offer positive messages and LEAD America to conservative values, since she strays for the idol of the week/weak who panders to gender/race one issue voters.

860 Widow'smight  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:48:41pm

re: #855 DistantThunder

Funny thing about Moderates/Independents dissing Conservatives.

Without us conservatives, you'd have like 10 ? or so Reps and Senators to stand up against the Donks.

It wasn't the Conservatives that opposed drilling for Oil when President Bush pushed the effort, it was the Mod/Ids. It was the Conservatives pushing the tax cuts.

Seems to me that Conservative policies will solve this countries woes.

861 strandedsf  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:50:25pm

re: #844 Joel

I agree with your entire list. I, too, viscerally dislike McCain and would add the following:

4. No to the tax cuts (twice) -- and he's only for extending them now to cater to the blue blood Wall Street Republicans who support his McAmnesty program;
5. Amnesty -- see No. 4, above;
6. "That damned fence" -- cf Lindsey Graham's "the loud people" distorting the immigration debate. I AM SO SICK of being called a loud, obnoxious boor and a racist because I want our borders respected, and I note that we wouldn't have gotten so loud if they would have listened to us in the first place;
9. 'Bring jihadis to mainland US jails" -- and give them the legal rights of citizens.

The problem is, he buys into the lame premises of the left -- if you criticize Obama, you're a racist. If you criticize policies of untrammelled immigration, you're a racist. If you question global warming, you're a holocaust denier. If you question the rights of murderous thugs who have killed American soldiers to enjoy the privilege of endless legal appeals funded by the American taxpaper, you're a torturing fascist.

I have sent some money to the RNC and the McCain campaign this year, but every time he opens his mouth I swear I won't contribute one more penny to them. They keep writing, the solicitations keep going into the garbage can. Wonder how many other conservatives are doing the same?

862 Wino  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:51:36pm

I know a way to keep this kind of campaigning from happening again... Don't elect McCain this time.

Is it evil to hope for a calamity that simultaneously causes all the present front runners to be unable to continue their campaigns?

863 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:52:29pm

re: #841 Widow'smight

McCain is the least Worserer of the 3, many of us will end up voting for him for that reason only.

One simple thing would improve the economy and our nation's security immensely, but he wouldn't ever think of doing it. There are an estimated 1 trillion barrels of oil in this country, go get it, and watch the price of oil plummet and the lives of every American improve vastly.

My Brother-in-law was in Vietnam, Ist gulf war and other hot spots as a Lt commander in the Navy. That shit meant nothing after he left my wonderful sister for a younger woman. He's trying to get us to forgive him, we'll see his actions.

McCain's treatment of Conservatives sucks.

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You do know neither McCain nor anyone else can drill for OIL against the will of America, right? Remember how Bush was called an Oil man, yet he can't pull oil out of a hat either. Oil and everything that uses oil will have to get more expensive before liberals will allow drilling or anything to increase SUPPLY.

864 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:55:13pm

re: #842 wolfie

Oooooh! Sounds good!
What kind of whine is yochanan serving? (hint, hint)

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Actually, Yochanan and I would probably live off military K rations keeping guard in the little foxhole with McCain, looking for bad guys, while many here sit back, eat & drink Whine.

865 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:56:41pm

re: #857 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Well at least the place isn't run by racists, like it was when it was known as Rhodesia.
/

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Mugabe ran against the British this time, like David Plouffe is running against McCain...

866 strandedsf  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:57:25pm

re: #859 alegrias

I really am sorry to have to say this, but while I have admired McCain's service greatly in the past, and I especially admire the service of his sons: he was wearing his Navy hat down in New Orleans while INSULTING PRESIDENT BUSH for something that was not his fault!

According to Popular Mechanics, the emergency response to Hurricane Katrina was one of the fastest responses to a natural disaster in history. Those people were affected the way they were because they have been living in a socialist utopia since Reconstruction. Don't learn to do anything for yourself, the government will provide. I guess we all found out how wise it is to rely on the Barack Obamas of the world.

But to McCain, it was just another example of Bush f***ing up.

How exactly is he different form the Bush lied people died crowd, again?

867 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:57:34pm

Time to say good night & have a great weekend, Lizards.

868 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 1:59:02pm

re: #845 alegrias

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McCain called his trusty rusty pack of slobbering reporters sitting in his Straight Talk Bus TROTSKYITES.

McCain knows Red. McCain even yelled at Fidel Castro recently, and Fidel yelled back. McCain knows Daniel Ortega of Nicaragua supports Obama, as does Hugo Chavez.

McCain knows who are America's friends and who are not, though he jokes around with Americans of all stripes. He will use the bully pulpit to make sure we stick together when we need to unite.

I don't think you'll find many people here who are not happy with McCain for all of that. Our problem with him is not in his foreign policy, but in his domestic policy. It would sure be nice if we were to win the wars on terrorism, but if the country collapses from within due to creepy economics and political pandering, we won't be able to defend the country from without.

Here are a couple examples. We all know McCain has jumped onto the global warming bandwagon, and that because of it he wholeheartedly supports such bad ideas as government spending on dubious methods of producing energy and cap-and-trade systems for emissions. I think we've had plenty of discussion on the merits of those policies, and the severely negative effect they'll have on the economy.

Next, we know his shaky position on border security. I don't care if he's said he'll build twelve fences around the whole country; his record is against him. Time and again he has stood against methods that would secure the country's borders, with bills such as McCain-Kennedy last summer and his well-known vitriol against the fence itself (whether the fence is a good idea is another story). It's very likely he will continue the current President's tactic of blustering around and basically ignoring the issue, while more illegal immigrants continue to cross the border and Border Patrol agents are arrested or otherwise disciplined for doing their job.

There are other examples, but these two policies alone will have a tremendous effect on the economy. If the economy fails or even stumbles severely, it will be more and more difficult for the military to obtain funding for its activities; national morale will decline and drag support for the war along with it. If that continues for long enough, we'll have an election in which those who wish to give up the fight are put into power; we'll surrender and the military will come home, leaving us much more vulnerable.

This of course is an unlikely scenario, but not by much. I do have a solution for it, though: we need to focus on electing real conservatives to Congress. That way, regardless of who ends up being President, his (or her) hands will be tied to some degree. It won't entirely prevent the bad stuff from happening, but it will at least hold it off long enough for us to find a more palatable candidate for the next Presidential election.

Now I'm going into lurking mode because I have a lot to get done. I'm still reading, but I probably won't comment for a while.

869 LEGION  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 2:07:55pm

re: #779 opnion
You just nailed it. I don't feel like I have a dog in the fight.
How did this guy (McCain) get nominated?

How? By open elections where ANYONE could vote- not just Republicans. RIDICULOUS! In New Hampshire you don't even have to be a resident- they just bus in from Mass. and say they are thinking about moving there sometime and they voted. Mclame got in because of damn dem libs screwing with the vote. Illegals and dead people voting along with non party members- the country is going to hell in a handbasket! Well its payback time with Operation Chaos! They can give it but they can't take it!

870 alegrias  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 2:08:25pm

re: #866 strandedsf

I really am sorry to have to say this, but while I have admired McCain's service greatly in the past, and I especially admire the service of his sons: he was wearing his Navy hat down in New Orleans while INSULTING PRESIDENT BUSH for something that was not his fault!

According to Popular Mechanics, the emergency response to Hurricane Katrina was one of the fastest responses to a natural disaster in history. Those people were affected the way they were because they have been living in a socialist utopia since Reconstruction. Don't learn to do anything for yourself, the government will provide. I guess we all found out how wise it is to rely on the Barack Obamas of the world.

But to McCain, it was just another example of Bush f***ing up.

How exactly is he different form the Bush lied people died crowd, again?


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Stranded, it's worse! McCain could have blamed Kathleen Blanco the democrat governor who wouldn't help her own people while President Bush offered to send in the Feds. McCain could have blamed Mayor Nagin. But he's running against the democrats who call McCain McSame as Bush!

You and I know President Bush spent the weekend on TV pleading and telling New Orleans people to leave, then flew to Arizona and spent the actual day of the hurricane landfall AT McCAIN's birthday, August 29th 2005. Politico had a picture of the two of them with a birthday cake at the airport yesterday! President Bush was probably not willing to offend McCain by cancelling his AZ flight.

871 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 2:08:58pm

re: #868 Fat Jolly Penguin

Fighting Terrorism overseas, but allowing liberals to pass gun control bills is counterproductive.

It just means that we'll find fewer terrorists overseas and more of them trotting across our borders, illegally, and attacking us, who cannot defend ourselves.

EVERY republican candidate (except Ron Paul) was strong on the war on terror.

Instead of getting one who is also strong on keeping us internally strong, we've weeded out all of the conservatives and picked a liberal.

And it is my fault if I don't vote for him?

No thanks. It is the RNC's fault if they put up someone too liberal for a conservative to vote for.

872 redstateredneck  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 2:09:34pm

re: #870 alegrias

McCain could have blamed Kathleen Blanco the democrat governor who wouldn't help her own people while President Bush offered to send in the Feds. McCain could have blamed Mayor Nagin. But he's running against the democrats who call McCain McSame as Bush!


He did say that state and local officials shared the blame, but it was almost as an aside.

873 jackflash  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 2:09:35pm

I'm late to this thing, as usual (damn work!), but I kind of like what McCain's doing here. Who hasn't seen Wright raving and damning America, several times? For McCain to issue an ad with the same old clip might look like he's piling on. You know what my mom thinks? She says that he is a good man for doing this. She likes his character for these sorts of things. He's decent. That gets votes, folks, regardless of the agenda you or I would like to push. He may even make inroads to the black middle class voters. Just a thought. Now back to work....

874 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 2:10:18pm

since the RNC supports McCain, does that make ME a maverick?

Or, like a dem being too conservative for the DNC, does that make me a backstabbing traitor?

875 Widow'smight  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 2:11:12pm

re: #863 alegrias

Read my 860, and McCain was against it when the President Proposed it.

And yes, I do realize that. Please don't condescend, I've seen enough of that here being directed at us Conservatives. And if you want to come Bitch-slap me, you better be one tough Hombre.

876 LanceKates  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 2:11:36pm

re: #873 jackflash

I'm late to this thing, as usual (damn work!), but I kind of like what McCain's doing here. Who hasn't seen Wright raving and damning America, several times? For McCain to issue an ad with the same old clip might look like he's piling on. You know what my mom thinks? She says that he is a good man for doing this. She likes his character for these sorts of things. He's decent. That gets votes, folks, regardless of the agenda you or I would like to push. He may even make inroads to the black middle class voters. Just a thought. Now back to work....

McCain wasn't issuing the ad, the NC GOP was. They have multiple people running for office, not just McCain.

If he didn't want to take a stand in this issue, he could have just shut up.

Instead, he attacked the NC GOP, saying they're out of touch with reality. Which is more vigor than he reserves for Kennedy or Feingold.

877 redstateredneck  Fri, Apr 25, 2008 2:11:37pm