Pandering to your enemies never works.

Fine go talk to

THE RACE

Diversity - shut up and embrace it.

He's reaching out!
/

Social peace in our time!

Occupation Chic never fails.

Every time I start to like McCain, I start to hate him again.

Next up? A speech to MeCHa (sp?).

El Klan.

Not expecting a 'whole lot of love' on this thread.

re: #3 Ward Cleaver

Diversity - shut up and embrace it.

Celebrate Diversity!

Wonderful.

By the way, which "race" is that, exactly?

Next thing you know he'll be reaching out to Al Qaeda

I can't beleive this group has gotten so far with a name like "The Race."

What race are Hispanics?

I'm pretty sure they are Caucasions, technically.

re: #10 EC Marm

Not expecting a 'whole lot of love' on this thread.

We got stuck with 'im.
Damn well gonna' let him know when hes outta' line.

When is he scheduled to speak to some anti-illegal alien groups?

/Not holding breath...

This man has an obsession with doing the wrong thing at the wrong time.

KFYI.com is a radio station in Phoenix. Don't have it on right now but my guess is that they're tearing McCain a new one right about now.

Why is John McCain lending legitimacy to a rabidly racist Mexican-American group with an open agenda to turn the Western states of the US into “Aztlan?”

To avoid being called racist.

re: #1 JammieWearingFool

Pandering to your enemies never works.

They aren't McCain's enemy.

re: #12 Occasional Reader

Wonderful.

By the way, which "race" is that, exactly?

La Raza Principal

re: #14 Ben Hur

I can't beleive this group has gotten so far with a name like "The Race."

What race are Hispanics?

I'm pretty sure they are Caucasions, technically.

Ask 50 people on the street what "La Raza" means......

I wonder if Absolut is sponsoring the event.

re: #12 Occasional Reader

Wonderful.

By the way, which "race" is that, exactly?

I remember seeing "White Non-Hispanic" on various forms so I reckon "Hispanic" is a race. Huh?

For the love of God. Why does McCain think pandering to people who are politically vested in his defeat will somehow benefit him?

Who in the f**k is running this sham McCain is calling a "campaign?" That is a question that I think we all need to begin asking very, very loudly...

re: #7 Pastorius

Every time I start to like McCain, I start to hate him again.

*sigh* It just shows you how bad our choices are this year, McCain or one of the two socialists

Say anything bad about an illegal or Obama and you will see McNasty with a quickness.

useful idiot
*spit*

WTF.

Big mistake. Does he need hispanic votes that badly?

re: #14 Ben Hur

99.9 percent think they are full blooded Aztec, Inca, Maya, etc. They have no idea that their bloodlines come from Spain.

Shame on the AP for a ridculous headline and perpetuating old myths.

Turning 60, Israelis feel pride, Palestinians pain

McCain will enable illegal immigration to a greater degree than even Bush. With Juan Hernandez on his campaign staff this move shouldn't come as a surprise.

Vote 3rd party. I'm deciding between Libertarian and Constitution parties.

McCain is not conservative, and neither it the GOP leadership.

Vote for conservatives down ticket, GOP if you must, but don't go for McCain for President.

The local radio station had McCain's advisor on this morning. After a couple of minutes of her dodging the questions from the host I had to turn it off. It left me with a very strong urge to vote for the Demonrat this November.
// {:-(™

Maybe Mexico can send it's 'operatives' here and set up some 'illegal infrastructure'...

Phone lines, High Speed Internet...something aside from the current 'illegal infrastructure'...Iran is doing it for Lebanon.

/

Hispanic

The term now refers to the culture and peoples of the Spanish-speaking countries of Hispanic America and Spain; or countries with a historical legacy from Spain including the Southwestern United States; the African nations of Equatorial Guinea, Western Sahara; the Asia-Pacific nations of the Philippines, Guam, Northern Mariana Islands; and to the ethnic individuals of those cultures. It can also refer to the Hispanosphere geographical distribution, the same way Latin (Latino) refers to the Romance languages in general.

It's a cultural linguistic classification.

re: #31 trdlgmsr

McCain will enable illegal immigration to a greater degree than even Bush. With Juan Hernandez on his campaign staff this move shouldn't come as a surprise.

Vote 3rd party. I'm deciding between Libertarian and Constitution parties.

McCain is not conservative, and neither it the GOP leadership.

Vote for conservatives down ticket, GOP if you must, but don't go for McCain for President.

Right, because Obama would be such a better choice.

Because John "Lettuce" McCain is my sock puppet.

Mwahahahahahahahaha!

re: #2 jcm

Fine go talk to

THE RACE

NB: "Race" isn't the only translation of "raza," or even necessarily the most correct.

re: #34 jcm

Hispanic

It's a cultural linguistic classification.

Then can we call ourselves Hispanic? I just listened to a recording in Spanish....

Ugh! Dammit John! Not cool! As far as I'm concerned, ya may as well be pandering to the KKK.

Give 'em the ol' Raza-Gaza.

A groups called The Race can't be racist.

/

After watching the Dems for awhile, I really begin to admire McCain.
Then I watch McCain again, and all I am left with is contempt for the Dems.
Lesser of two evils is less evil, so no regrets in nov, though.

re: #36 HugoChavez

Because John "Lettuce" McCain is my sock puppet.

Mwahahahahahahahaha!

At $55 bucks an hour...that's a job 98% of American's would do...the man is a fiscal travesty.

re: #23 MandyManners

I just like to mark "Other." Just for the kicks.

re: #31 trdlgmsr

McCain sucks less than the other two. 3rd parties never get elected, they just act as a spoiler.

re: #31 trdlgmsr

Vote 3rd party. I'm deciding between Libertarian and Constitution parties.

Great idea.

/

I just saw that inaccurate "100 years" commercial from the DNC run on Fox.

FOX, YOU SUCK.

Can we get some new presidential candidates please. They all SUCK.

re: #34 jcm

It can also refer to the Hispanosphere geographical distribution, the same way Latin (Latino) refers to the Romance languages in general.

The French, Italians and Romanians are Latinos?

He's just going to witness to them.

/

re: #23 MandyManners

I remember seeing "White Non-Hispanic" on various forms so I reckon "Hispanic" is a race. Huh?

No. The way that the US government uses it, Hispanic is an ethnic term, not a racial one. The OMB defines a Hispanic as "a person of Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race".

re: #29 Charlie Martel

99.9 percent think they are full blooded Aztec, Inca, Maya, etc. They have no idea that their bloodlines come from Spain.

Why on earth would someone want to claim the savage Aztecs as their ancestors? Sure, all people can be good or bad regardless of their ancestors, but to associate with any connections to that bloodthirsty culture? huh?
Oh yeah, the victim thing...

SHHH! McCain is a good conservative Republican and if someone won't vote for him because he openly meets with racists and illegal immigration supporters, they they just don't live America enough!

/

I gotta chose between the evil of two lessers' in November.

re: #29 Charlie Martel

99.9 percent think they are full blooded Aztec, Inca, Maya, etc. They have no idea that their bloodlines come from Spain.

Or from France, or Portugal, or...

re: #31 trdlgmsr

McCain will enable illegal immigration to a greater degree than even Bush. With Juan Hernandez on his campaign staff this move shouldn't come as a surprise.

Vote 3rd party. I'm deciding between Libertarian and Constitution parties.

McCain is not conservative, and neither it the GOP leadership.

Vote for conservatives down ticket, GOP if you must, but don't go for McCain for President.

This is an entirely ignorant, irrational stance. I'm sick of people who think that voting for an irrelevant third party is going to in any way change the current system.

The only way this two party system will be altered is by one or both parties splitting and creating a third party in it's ashes. Those two splinters will create one, and we're back to two parties again. That is the way our government is structured. Period. There is a reason we don't have a PM or a parliament.

Until then, change the party of your choice from within. You don't teach a party a lesson by damning it to defeat. The last time we tried that we earned ourselves Nancy "for the children" Pelosi, and Dingy Harry.

Think a little bit.

re: #24 BGOH

For the love of God. Why does McCain think pandering to people who are politically vested in his defeat will somehow benefit him?

Who in the f**k is running this sham McCain is calling a "campaign?" That is a question that I think we all need to begin asking very, very loudly...

Since he knows he has the conservative vote he doesn't care what he does.

re: #50 Silhouette

He's just going to witness to them.

/

It would redeem him somewhat if he criticized them to their faces. I don't see it happening though. I'm not even sure he's pandering, he might genuinely agree with them.

re: #37 Ben-Ami

NB: "Race" isn't the only translation of "raza," or even necessarily the most correct.

From La Raza.

We have a Spanish term in our name, “La Raza” (meaning “the people” or “community”), which is often mistranslated. Furthermore, we are engaged in some of the most controversial issues of our time, which we believe is essential if we are to stay true to our mission.

Okay, THE RACE is intentional provocative.

Let's flip the table. I propose and English based group called THE PEOPLE.

Let's do a re-rewrite of there own statement:
We proudly represent nearly 300 Affiliates – community-based organizations providing a range of essential services to millions of English speaking and others in need. Since 1997, NCLR and its Affiliates have helped more than 22,000 low-income English speaking families purchase their first homes. In addition, NCLR’s network of 115 charter schools provides quality education to more than 25,000 English children every year. The health clinics we help build and the lay health educators we train provided care and information about prevention and detection of serious illnesses to nearly 100,000 people in 2006. Our Affiliates are working every day to help English speaking immigrants integrate fully into American society by providing language classes, civics courses, or naturalization assistance.

How's that gonna fly?

re: #35 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Personally, I'd rather the next 4 years be the Dem's fault.

However, I see little difference between the GOP of today and the Dems of my youth - other than judicial selections. Being a conservative, I'll vote my conscience and for someone or some party that matches my philosophy more closely. No more will I vote for the lesser of evils.

If everyone voted the conscience we might have a different outcome. It'll be difficult for a while, but it has to start somewhere....

re: #49 zmdavid

I once saw this "Hecho En Mexico" shirt that read "Hispanics are from Spain, Latinos are from Italy!"

re: #47 MandyManners

I just saw that inaccurate "100 years" commercial from the DNC run on Fox.

FOX, YOU SUCK.

Which is why I don't watch any of the TV news channels.

The only difference
between R & D today
is the MPH
and the ETA

/I remain not insane, most excellent Festus!

re: #56 BGOH

Sounds like Goldstein's Book from 1984. "The Middle will over throw the High, become the High, and a group will splinter off from the High to become the New Middle."

re: #30 Mike in Boulder

Shame on the AP for a ridculous headline and perpetuating old myths.

re: #59 jcm

more than 25,000 English children

Works for England.

re: #56 BGOH

This is an entirely ignorant, irrational stance. I'm sick of people who think that voting for an irrelevant third party is going to in any way change the current system.

And I'm sick of the belittlement of anyone who doesn't have a "Vote GOP always no matter what!" mentality.

Remember that the Republicans were once a 'third party'

Tell me the benefit of voting for McCain as a conservative? (And no, "IT isn't Obama or Clinton!" doesn't work. That is a sad and last ditch effort to make McCain look conservative by comparing him to a marxist and a socialist)

Tell me how the GOP stands up for conservative people and then tell me why I should support a group that is drifting to the left in an effort to steal DEMOCRAT votes, all the while browbeating anyone who thinks McCain is liberal.

You want to talk about ignorant an irrational? Justify the GOP as the conservative party.

re: #48 FrogMarch

Can we get some new presidential candidates please. They all SUCK.

If ever there was a time when a "None of the above" choice was needed, this is it!
// {:-(™

Your average "La Raza" member is about as Hispanic as Taco Bell. Its a brand name for their particular claim to victimhood.

Charles:

La Raza is as anti-American and radical as you think, but not as racist as you think. When we literally translate the word raza from Spanish we get "race". That naturally grates on our ears.

But in colloquial Spanish as it's spoken in Mexico la raza translates more to "my people" or, as an Italian might say, paisano. I've even heard my Mexican in-laws use raza to kiddingly disparage other Mexicans for stereotypical behavior.

Mexicans themselves may describe themselves as racists. Indeed, within Mexico dark-skinned Mexicans are definitely on the bottom rung of society. But the offensive-to-us use of raza isn't really racist to them.

None of this explains why McCain would visit them, though.

Yours for accuracy,

Craig

WHAAAA WHAAA WHAAAA

As if we haven't heard it all before.

Off to lunch.

Have a nice whine fest.

a liberal, a socialist, and a marxist.

bummer

re: #38 loppyd

Then can we call ourselves Hispanic? I just listened to a recording in Spanish....

I've posted this before, and I will again.

We go to Puerto Rico alot, and have since I was a guppy.

Suddenly, historic sites refer to the HISPANIC/American War of the 1800s.

Because, you know, to free the Puerto Ricans from the Spanish Empire, the United States fought the......... Puerto Ricans?

The new face of the Republican Party.

They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast.

What's his ''friend,'' (amigo) named?
You know the one.
The smarmy Mexican who goes on TV (used to before he joined the McCain campaign) all the time always tossing around the phrase, "my friend."
I think he used to be part of the Fox administration.
A map of America like Absolut Vodka would please him no end.

There is a term in English known as "White Power", it is often translated to mean 'white supremacy' or a racist term...but in actuality...oh wait!

/

Quetzalcoatl will be pleased.

Ein Raza?

re: #31 trdlgmsr

Then I have to suffer four years of Clinton or Obama.

Thanks, but no thanks.

re: #77 Oh no...Sand People!

Love the avatar.

What with Obama, and La Raza
Here, there and everyplace
There's color, but not character
In the Presidential race.

re: #63 BabbaZee

You are not insane, Most Excellent Babba.

re: #59 jcm

From La Raza's odd explanation of their name:

Mistranslating “La Raza” to mean “the race” implies that it is a term meant to exclude others.

Oh... so it DOESN'T "exclude others"? We can ALL be members of La Raza? Really?

(BTW, this is taqqiya, methinks... there are other perfectly good Spanish words for "community" or "the people" that wouldn't drag in the "race" aspect of the word)

La Raza = Al Shabab.

re: #63 BabbaZee

Babba dear,

Why don't they ever ask us "Real" husbands these questions?

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

Hmmm... Babel Fish gives only one translation, as does my little pocket dictionary.

re: #72 BulgarWheat

a liberal, a socialist, and a marxist.

bummer

That almost seems to need "walks into a bar" added.

re: #70 clgood

Charles:

La Raza is as anti-American and radical as you think, but not as racist as you think. When we literally translate the word raza from Spanish we get "race". That naturally grates on our ears.

But in colloquial Spanish as it's spoken in Mexico la raza translates more to "my people" or, as an Italian might say, paisano. I've even heard my Mexican in-laws use raza to kiddingly disparage other Mexicans for stereotypical behavior.

Mexicans themselves may describe themselves as racists. Indeed, within Mexico dark-skinned Mexicans are definitely on the bottom rung of society. But the offensive-to-us use of raza isn't really racist to them.

None of this explains why McCain would visit them, though.

Yours for accuracy,

Craig

It's as much it's "race" based ideologoly that grates...
It's its Gramscian Whoredom based ideology that grates.

El Centro de la Raza (translated: “The Center of the Race") has been, since its inception, a project for Cultural Marxism, working to achieve both socialism and race-based preferences for Hispanics. The group, an integral part of the revolutionary anti-American movement of the late '60s and '70s was economically extablished in 1972 by forcefully and illegally seizing Beacon Hill (Public) School, occupying it, and daring the police to fight a battle to remove them. They later occupied Seattle City Council Chambers and were finally arrested, but Seattle's Liberal Democrat Mayor Wes Uhlman (Later, a member of Dino Rossi's Transition Team) caved in and La Raza was given a lease of the building for ONE DOLLAR A YEAR. (Crime does seem to pay for Hispanic radicals). Their primary founder, Roberto Maestas, one of the Marxist guiding lights of Democrat Seattle, was, and is, a follower of the terrorist Revolutionary Che Guevara (1928-1967) and a supporter of the Nicaraguan Communist murderer/torturer dictator Daniel Ortega.

Maybe John McCain thought that "the race" was a reference to the race for the White House.

C'mon folks...Let's give him the benefit of the doubt here.

re: #81 MandyManners

Love the avatar.

Thanks...I need to get the black eye and bloody nose more defined.

The Evil of Three Lessers.

We live in a political world,
Love don't have any place.
We're living in times where men commit crimes
And crime don't have a face

We live in a political world,
Icicles hanging down,
Wedding bells ring and angels sing,
clouds cover up the ground.

We live in a political world,
Wisdom is thrown into jail,
It rots in a cell, is misguided as hell
Leaving no one to pick up a trail.

We live in a political world
Where mercy walks the plank,
Life is in mirrors, death disappears
Up the steps into the nearest bank.

We live in a political world
Where courage is a thing of the past
Houses are haunted, children are unwanted
The next day could be your last.

We live in a political world.
The one we can see and can feel
But there's no one to check, it's all a stacked deck,
We all know for sure that it's real.

We live in a political world
In the cities of lonesome fear,
Little by little you turn in the middle
But you're never why you're here.

We live in a political world
Under the microscope,
You can travel anywhere and hang yourself there
You always got more than enough rope.

We live in a political world
Turning and a'thrashing about,
As soon as you're awake, you're trained to take
What looks like the easy way out.

We live in a political world
Where peace is not welcome at all,
It's turned away from the door to wander some more
Or put up against the wall.

We live in apolitical world
Everything is hers or his,
Climb into the frame and shout God's name
But you're never sure what it is.

re: #67 LanceKates

Tell me how the GOP stands up for conservative people and then tell me why I should support a group that is drifting to the left in an effort to steal DEMOCRAT votes, all the while browbeating anyone who thinks McCain is liberal.

Because unfortunately, Republicans currently make up a minority of the vote?

re: #31 trdlgmsr

McCain will enable illegal immigration to a greater degree than even Bush. With Juan Hernandez on his campaign staff this move shouldn't come as a surprise.

Vote 3rd party. I'm deciding between Libertarian and Constitution parties.

McCain is not conservative, and neither it the GOP leadership.

Vote for conservatives down ticket, GOP if you must, but don't go for McCain for President.

Ah!
Yes, Juan Hernandez.
Thanks.
I remember when he first joined the McCain camp, John went on TV and said "my friend" all the time for a while.
Somebody around him must have told him to cut it out.
Thank goodness he listened.
But old Juan is still whispering in John's ear.

re: #64 laZardo

Sounds like Goldstein's Book from 1984. "The Middle will over throw the High, become the High, and a group will splinter off from the High to become the New Middle."

Well, it is the way our system has worked since 1787. No "third" party has ever won national office, and one never will. The Republicans were born of the Whig's disintegration in the 1850's, and that is the only way that one of the two current parties is going to meet it's demise.

I know too many people who believe that acting ideologically in the voting booth is going to somehow benefit them, even though every historical indicator indicates that the exact opposite will be the case. These are the same idiots that voted for Perot in '92 and handed this country eight years of bubba ignoring growing international threats and getting his knob slobbed in the oval office. Slick move, there.

re: #83 laZardo

lol!

re: #88 MrSilverDragon

that makes me want to walk into a bar

Everytime you begin to have the slightest bit of faith in him, he yanks it away...

Pandering, pure and simple...

He's a politician...

re: #76 mean Gene

The smarmy guy on McCain's staff is none other than Juan Hernandez.

re: #86 Widow'smight

Oh lawdy lol

re: #91 Oh no...Sand People!

Thanks...I need to get the black eye and bloody nose more defined.

The black eye is pretty well defined.

re: #70 clgood

Even so, it grates. It grates badly, particularly when paired with the notion of "Aztlan."

The last thing in the world any sensible person wants to see is the American Southwest turned into another failed state. That's exactly what would happen if these groups got their way.

Volcano in Chile
Where's coquimbojoe?

I call Mr. McCain John "Let's make a deal" McCain.
He will bend over backwards to cut a deal and say that he has done something.
It leaves him open to a High / Low gambit. The dems know they can work a deal with McCain, so they start negotiations at the high point. What they really want is the low one, and work their way down. Hoping for any bonus points they can get above the low mark.

I'm exceptionally unimpressed with McCain.

Will a real Conservative please stand up!

re: #70 clgood

But in colloquial Spanish as it's spoken in Mexico la raza translates more to "my people" or, as an Italian might say, paisano. I've even heard my Mexican in-laws use raza to kiddingly disparage other Mexicans for stereotypical behavior.

Correct. My faithful _Pequeño Larousse ilustrado_ (1996) gives the following as some of the definitions for "raza":

5. Mex. Fam. Grupo de gente. 6. Mex. Fam. Plebe.

re: #74 Ringo the Gringo

The new face of the Republican Party.

And we're Who fans, too? Cool.

re: #99 trdlgmsr

Thanks again.
He sure had kept a low profile for a while, hadn't he?
I actually couldn't even think of his name.

re: #93 laZardo

Because unfortunately, Republicans currently make up a minority of the vote?

Which is why Republicans are trying to become more liberal.

They think that popularity is what will save our country.