Pandering to your enemies never works.

Fine go talk to

THE RACE

Diversity - shut up and embrace it.

He's reaching out!
/

Social peace in our time!

Occupation Chic never fails.

Every time I start to like McCain, I start to hate him again.

Next up? A speech to MeCHa (sp?).

El Klan.

Not expecting a 'whole lot of love' on this thread.

re: #3 Ward Cleaver

Diversity - shut up and embrace it.

Celebrate Diversity!

Wonderful.

By the way, which "race" is that, exactly?

Next thing you know he'll be reaching out to Al Qaeda

I can't beleive this group has gotten so far with a name like "The Race."

What race are Hispanics?

I'm pretty sure they are Caucasions, technically.

re: #10 EC Marm

Not expecting a 'whole lot of love' on this thread.

We got stuck with 'im.
Damn well gonna' let him know when hes outta' line.

When is he scheduled to speak to some anti-illegal alien groups?

/Not holding breath...

This man has an obsession with doing the wrong thing at the wrong time.

KFYI.com is a radio station in Phoenix. Don't have it on right now but my guess is that they're tearing McCain a new one right about now.

Why is John McCain lending legitimacy to a rabidly racist Mexican-American group with an open agenda to turn the Western states of the US into “Aztlan?”

To avoid being called racist.

re: #1 JammieWearingFool

Pandering to your enemies never works.

They aren't McCain's enemy.

re: #12 Occasional Reader

Wonderful.

By the way, which "race" is that, exactly?

La Raza Principal

re: #14 Ben Hur

I can't beleive this group has gotten so far with a name like "The Race."

What race are Hispanics?

I'm pretty sure they are Caucasions, technically.

Ask 50 people on the street what "La Raza" means......

I wonder if Absolut is sponsoring the event.

re: #12 Occasional Reader

Wonderful.

By the way, which "race" is that, exactly?

I remember seeing "White Non-Hispanic" on various forms so I reckon "Hispanic" is a race. Huh?

For the love of God. Why does McCain think pandering to people who are politically vested in his defeat will somehow benefit him?

Who in the f**k is running this sham McCain is calling a "campaign?" That is a question that I think we all need to begin asking very, very loudly...

re: #7 Pastorius

Every time I start to like McCain, I start to hate him again.

*sigh* It just shows you how bad our choices are this year, McCain or one of the two socialists

Say anything bad about an illegal or Obama and you will see McNasty with a quickness.

useful idiot
*spit*

WTF.

Big mistake. Does he need hispanic votes that badly?

re: #14 Ben Hur

99.9 percent think they are full blooded Aztec, Inca, Maya, etc. They have no idea that their bloodlines come from Spain.

Shame on the AP for a ridculous headline and perpetuating old myths.

Turning 60, Israelis feel pride, Palestinians pain

McCain will enable illegal immigration to a greater degree than even Bush. With Juan Hernandez on his campaign staff this move shouldn't come as a surprise.

Vote 3rd party. I'm deciding between Libertarian and Constitution parties.

McCain is not conservative, and neither it the GOP leadership.

Vote for conservatives down ticket, GOP if you must, but don't go for McCain for President.

The local radio station had McCain's advisor on this morning. After a couple of minutes of her dodging the questions from the host I had to turn it off. It left me with a very strong urge to vote for the Demonrat this November.
// {:-(™

Maybe Mexico can send it's 'operatives' here and set up some 'illegal infrastructure'...

Phone lines, High Speed Internet...something aside from the current 'illegal infrastructure'...Iran is doing it for Lebanon.

/

Hispanic

The term now refers to the culture and peoples of the Spanish-speaking countries of Hispanic America and Spain; or countries with a historical legacy from Spain including the Southwestern United States; the African nations of Equatorial Guinea, Western Sahara; the Asia-Pacific nations of the Philippines, Guam, Northern Mariana Islands; and to the ethnic individuals of those cultures. It can also refer to the Hispanosphere geographical distribution, the same way Latin (Latino) refers to the Romance languages in general.

It's a cultural linguistic classification.

re: #31 trdlgmsr

McCain will enable illegal immigration to a greater degree than even Bush. With Juan Hernandez on his campaign staff this move shouldn't come as a surprise.

Vote 3rd party. I'm deciding between Libertarian and Constitution parties.

McCain is not conservative, and neither it the GOP leadership.

Vote for conservatives down ticket, GOP if you must, but don't go for McCain for President.

Right, because Obama would be such a better choice.

Because John "Lettuce" McCain is my sock puppet.

Mwahahahahahahahaha!

re: #2 jcm

Fine go talk to

THE RACE

NB: "Race" isn't the only translation of "raza," or even necessarily the most correct.

re: #34 jcm

Hispanic

It's a cultural linguistic classification.

Then can we call ourselves Hispanic? I just listened to a recording in Spanish....

Ugh! Dammit John! Not cool! As far as I'm concerned, ya may as well be pandering to the KKK.

Give 'em the ol' Raza-Gaza.

A groups called The Race can't be racist.

/

After watching the Dems for awhile, I really begin to admire McCain.
Then I watch McCain again, and all I am left with is contempt for the Dems.
Lesser of two evils is less evil, so no regrets in nov, though.

re: #36 HugoChavez

Because John "Lettuce" McCain is my sock puppet.

Mwahahahahahahahaha!

At $55 bucks an hour...that's a job 98% of American's would do...the man is a fiscal travesty.

re: #23 MandyManners

I just like to mark "Other." Just for the kicks.

re: #31 trdlgmsr

McCain sucks less than the other two. 3rd parties never get elected, they just act as a spoiler.

re: #31 trdlgmsr

Vote 3rd party. I'm deciding between Libertarian and Constitution parties.

Great idea.

/

I just saw that inaccurate "100 years" commercial from the DNC run on Fox.

FOX, YOU SUCK.

Can we get some new presidential candidates please. They all SUCK.

re: #34 jcm

It can also refer to the Hispanosphere geographical distribution, the same way Latin (Latino) refers to the Romance languages in general.

The French, Italians and Romanians are Latinos?

He's just going to witness to them.

/

re: #23 MandyManners

I remember seeing "White Non-Hispanic" on various forms so I reckon "Hispanic" is a race. Huh?

No. The way that the US government uses it, Hispanic is an ethnic term, not a racial one. The OMB defines a Hispanic as "a person of Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race".

re: #29 Charlie Martel

99.9 percent think they are full blooded Aztec, Inca, Maya, etc. They have no idea that their bloodlines come from Spain.

Why on earth would someone want to claim the savage Aztecs as their ancestors? Sure, all people can be good or bad regardless of their ancestors, but to associate with any connections to that bloodthirsty culture? huh?
Oh yeah, the victim thing...

SHHH! McCain is a good conservative Republican and if someone won't vote for him because he openly meets with racists and illegal immigration supporters, they they just don't live America enough!

/

I gotta chose between the evil of two lessers' in November.

re: #29 Charlie Martel

99.9 percent think they are full blooded Aztec, Inca, Maya, etc. They have no idea that their bloodlines come from Spain.

Or from France, or Portugal, or...

re: #31 trdlgmsr

McCain will enable illegal immigration to a greater degree than even Bush. With Juan Hernandez on his campaign staff this move shouldn't come as a surprise.

Vote 3rd party. I'm deciding between Libertarian and Constitution parties.

McCain is not conservative, and neither it the GOP leadership.

Vote for conservatives down ticket, GOP if you must, but don't go for McCain for President.

This is an entirely ignorant, irrational stance. I'm sick of people who think that voting for an irrelevant third party is going to in any way change the current system.

The only way this two party system will be altered is by one or both parties splitting and creating a third party in it's ashes. Those two splinters will create one, and we're back to two parties again. That is the way our government is structured. Period. There is a reason we don't have a PM or a parliament.

Until then, change the party of your choice from within. You don't teach a party a lesson by damning it to defeat. The last time we tried that we earned ourselves Nancy "for the children" Pelosi, and Dingy Harry.

Think a little bit.

re: #24 BGOH

For the love of God. Why does McCain think pandering to people who are politically vested in his defeat will somehow benefit him?

Who in the f**k is running this sham McCain is calling a "campaign?" That is a question that I think we all need to begin asking very, very loudly...

Since he knows he has the conservative vote he doesn't care what he does.

re: #50 Silhouette

He's just going to witness to them.

/

It would redeem him somewhat if he criticized them to their faces. I don't see it happening though. I'm not even sure he's pandering, he might genuinely agree with them.

re: #37 Ben-Ami

NB: "Race" isn't the only translation of "raza," or even necessarily the most correct.

From La Raza.

We have a Spanish term in our name, “La Raza” (meaning “the people” or “community”), which is often mistranslated. Furthermore, we are engaged in some of the most controversial issues of our time, which we believe is essential if we are to stay true to our mission.

Okay, THE RACE is intentional provocative.

Let's flip the table. I propose and English based group called THE PEOPLE.

Let's do a re-rewrite of there own statement:
We proudly represent nearly 300 Affiliates – community-based organizations providing a range of essential services to millions of English speaking and others in need. Since 1997, NCLR and its Affiliates have helped more than 22,000 low-income English speaking families purchase their first homes. In addition, NCLR’s network of 115 charter schools provides quality education to more than 25,000 English children every year. The health clinics we help build and the lay health educators we train provided care and information about prevention and detection of serious illnesses to nearly 100,000 people in 2006. Our Affiliates are working every day to help English speaking immigrants integrate fully into American society by providing language classes, civics courses, or naturalization assistance.

How's that gonna fly?

re: #35 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Personally, I'd rather the next 4 years be the Dem's fault.

However, I see little difference between the GOP of today and the Dems of my youth - other than judicial selections. Being a conservative, I'll vote my conscience and for someone or some party that matches my philosophy more closely. No more will I vote for the lesser of evils.

If everyone voted the conscience we might have a different outcome. It'll be difficult for a while, but it has to start somewhere....

re: #49 zmdavid

I once saw this "Hecho En Mexico" shirt that read "Hispanics are from Spain, Latinos are from Italy!"

re: #47 MandyManners

I just saw that inaccurate "100 years" commercial from the DNC run on Fox.

FOX, YOU SUCK.

Which is why I don't watch any of the TV news channels.

The only difference
between R & D today
is the MPH
and the ETA

/I remain not insane, most excellent Festus!

re: #56 BGOH

Sounds like Goldstein's Book from 1984. "The Middle will over throw the High, become the High, and a group will splinter off from the High to become the New Middle."

re: #30 Mike in Boulder

Shame on the AP for a ridculous headline and perpetuating old myths.

Turning 60, Israelis feel pride, Palestinians pain

As violence on both sides killed thousands in the months after a U.N. decision in 1947 to partition Palestine into Jewish and Arab states, the Shamali family and their neighbors crammed into a truck bound further down the Mediterranean coast to Gaza, outside the zone designated to Jewish control.

AAAARRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHH!

Historic LIE!

5 Arab armies INVADED ISRAEL.

There was none of this fake BALANCE of "violence on both sides!"

This article is utter BS.

For Shamali, that means relinquishing his dream of return to Jaffa. But perhaps, he says, it is worth it for the sake of his young grandson who wanders into his office as he reminisces.

Is this article claiming that Arabs don't live in Jaffa any longer?

It's either that or a Trojan Horse arguement for the faux "right of return" to destroy Israel.

I want right of return for the MILLIONS of Germans bussed out of the SUdetenland.

I want the right of return for the 10s of millions of Hindus to "Pakistan."

I want to right of return of the Chinese to Indonesia.

I want the right of return for Japanese in Manchu Quo!

AARRGH!

MORONS!

re: #59 jcm

more than 25,000 English children

Works for England.

re: #56 BGOH

This is an entirely ignorant, irrational stance. I'm sick of people who think that voting for an irrelevant third party is going to in any way change the current system.

And I'm sick of the belittlement of anyone who doesn't have a "Vote GOP always no matter what!" mentality.

Remember that the Republicans were once a 'third party'

Tell me the benefit of voting for McCain as a conservative? (And no, "IT isn't Obama or Clinton!" doesn't work. That is a sad and last ditch effort to make McCain look conservative by comparing him to a marxist and a socialist)

Tell me how the GOP stands up for conservative people and then tell me why I should support a group that is drifting to the left in an effort to steal DEMOCRAT votes, all the while browbeating anyone who thinks McCain is liberal.

You want to talk about ignorant an irrational? Justify the GOP as the conservative party.

re: #48 FrogMarch

Can we get some new presidential candidates please. They all SUCK.

If ever there was a time when a "None of the above" choice was needed, this is it!
// {:-(™

Your average "La Raza" member is about as Hispanic as Taco Bell. Its a brand name for their particular claim to victimhood.

Charles:

La Raza is as anti-American and radical as you think, but not as racist as you think. When we literally translate the word raza from Spanish we get "race". That naturally grates on our ears.

But in colloquial Spanish as it's spoken in Mexico la raza translates more to "my people" or, as an Italian might say, paisano. I've even heard my Mexican in-laws use raza to kiddingly disparage other Mexicans for stereotypical behavior.

Mexicans themselves may describe themselves as racists. Indeed, within Mexico dark-skinned Mexicans are definitely on the bottom rung of society. But the offensive-to-us use of raza isn't really racist to them.

None of this explains why McCain would visit them, though.

Yours for accuracy,

Craig

WHAAAA WHAAA WHAAAA

As if we haven't heard it all before.

Off to lunch.

Have a nice whine fest.

a liberal, a socialist, and a marxist.

bummer

re: #38 loppyd

Then can we call ourselves Hispanic? I just listened to a recording in Spanish....

I've posted this before, and I will again.

We go to Puerto Rico alot, and have since I was a guppy.

Suddenly, historic sites refer to the HISPANIC/American War of the 1800s.

Because, you know, to free the Puerto Ricans from the Spanish Empire, the United States fought the......... Puerto Ricans?

The new face of the Republican Party.

They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast.

What's his ''friend,'' (amigo) named?
You know the one.
The smarmy Mexican who goes on TV (used to before he joined the McCain campaign) all the time always tossing around the phrase, "my friend."
I think he used to be part of the Fox administration.
A map of America like Absolut Vodka would please him no end.

There is a term in English known as "White Power", it is often translated to mean 'white supremacy' or a racist term...but in actuality...oh wait!

/

Quetzalcoatl will be pleased.

Ein Raza?

re: #31 trdlgmsr

Then I have to suffer four years of Clinton or Obama.

Thanks, but no thanks.

re: #77 Oh no...Sand People!

Love the avatar.

re: #63 BabbaZee

You are not insane, Most Excellent Babba.

re: #59 jcm

From La Raza's odd explanation of their name:

Mistranslating “La Raza” to mean “the race” implies that it is a term meant to exclude others.

Oh... so it DOESN'T "exclude others"? We can ALL be members of La Raza? Really?

(BTW, this is taqqiya, methinks... there are other perfectly good Spanish words for "community" or "the people" that wouldn't drag in the "race" aspect of the word)

La Raza = Al Shabab.

re: #63 BabbaZee

Babba dear,

Why don't they ever ask us "Real" husbands these questions?

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

Hmmm... Babel Fish gives only one translation, as does my little pocket dictionary.

re: #72 BulgarWheat

a liberal, a socialist, and a marxist.

bummer

That almost seems to need "walks into a bar" added.

re: #70 clgood

Charles:

La Raza is as anti-American and radical as you think, but not as racist as you think. When we literally translate the word raza from Spanish we get "race". That naturally grates on our ears.

But in colloquial Spanish as it's spoken in Mexico la raza translates more to "my people" or, as an Italian might say, paisano. I've even heard my Mexican in-laws use raza to kiddingly disparage other Mexicans for stereotypical behavior.

Mexicans themselves may describe themselves as racists. Indeed, within Mexico dark-skinned Mexicans are definitely on the bottom rung of society. But the offensive-to-us use of raza isn't really racist to them.

None of this explains why McCain would visit them, though.

Yours for accuracy,

Craig

It's as much it's "race" based ideologoly that grates...
It's its Gramscian Whoredom based ideology that grates.

El Centro de la Raza (translated: “The Center of the Race") has been, since its inception, a project for Cultural Marxism, working to achieve both socialism and race-based preferences for Hispanics. The group, an integral part of the revolutionary anti-American movement of the late '60s and '70s was economically extablished in 1972 by forcefully and illegally seizing Beacon Hill (Public) School, occupying it, and daring the police to fight a battle to remove them. They later occupied Seattle City Council Chambers and were finally arrested, but Seattle's Liberal Democrat Mayor Wes Uhlman (Later, a member of Dino Rossi's Transition Team) caved in and La Raza was given a lease of the building for ONE DOLLAR A YEAR. (Crime does seem to pay for Hispanic radicals). Their primary founder, Roberto Maestas, one of the Marxist guiding lights of Democrat Seattle, was, and is, a follower of the terrorist Revolutionary Che Guevara (1928-1967) and a supporter of the Nicaraguan Communist murderer/torturer dictator Daniel Ortega.

Maybe John McCain thought that "the race" was a reference to the race for the White House.

C'mon folks...Let's give him the benefit of the doubt here.

re: #81 MandyManners

Love the avatar.

Thanks...I need to get the black eye and bloody nose more defined.

The Evil of Three Lessers.

We live in a political world,
Love don't have any place.
We're living in times where men commit crimes
And crime don't have a face

We live in a political world,
Icicles hanging down,
Wedding bells ring and angels sing,
clouds cover up the ground.

We live in a political world,
Wisdom is thrown into jail,
It rots in a cell, is misguided as hell
Leaving no one to pick up a trail.

We live in a political world
Where mercy walks the plank,
Life is in mirrors, death disappears
Up the steps into the nearest bank.

We live in a political world
Where courage is a thing of the past
Houses are haunted, children are unwanted
The next day could be your last.

We live in a political world.
The one we can see and can feel
But there's no one to check, it's all a stacked deck,
We all know for sure that it's real.

We live in a political world
In the cities of lonesome fear,
Little by little you turn in the middle
But you're never why you're here.

We live in a political world
Under the microscope,
You can travel anywhere and hang yourself there
You always got more than enough rope.

We live in a political world
Turning and a'thrashing about,
As soon as you're awake, you're trained to take
What looks like the easy way out.

We live in a political world
Where peace is not welcome at all,
It's turned away from the door to wander some more
Or put up against the wall.

We live in apolitical world
Everything is hers or his,
Climb into the frame and shout God's name
But you're never sure what it is.

re: #67 LanceKates

Tell me how the GOP stands up for conservative people and then tell me why I should support a group that is drifting to the left in an effort to steal DEMOCRAT votes, all the while browbeating anyone who thinks McCain is liberal.

Because unfortunately, Republicans currently make up a minority of the vote?

re: #31 trdlgmsr

McCain will enable illegal immigration to a greater degree than even Bush. With Juan Hernandez on his campaign staff this move shouldn't come as a surprise.

Vote 3rd party. I'm deciding between Libertarian and Constitution parties.

McCain is not conservative, and neither it the GOP leadership.

Vote for conservatives down ticket, GOP if you must, but don't go for McCain for President.

Ah!
Yes, Juan Hernandez.
Thanks.
I remember when he first joined the McCain camp, John went on TV and said "my friend" all the time for a while.
Somebody around him must have told him to cut it out.
Thank goodness he listened.
But old Juan is still whispering in John's ear.

re: #64 laZardo

Sounds like Goldstein's Book from 1984. "The Middle will over throw the High, become the High, and a group will splinter off from the High to become the New Middle."

Well, it is the way our system has worked since 1787. No "third" party has ever won national office, and one never will. The Republicans were born of the Whig's disintegration in the 1850's, and that is the only way that one of the two current parties is going to meet it's demise.

I know too many people who believe that acting ideologically in the voting booth is going to somehow benefit them, even though every historical indicator indicates that the exact opposite will be the case. These are the same idiots that voted for Perot in '92 and handed this country eight years of bubba ignoring growing international threats and getting his knob slobbed in the oval office. Slick move, there.

re: #83 laZardo

lol!

re: #88 MrSilverDragon

that makes me want to walk into a bar

Everytime you begin to have the slightest bit of faith in him, he yanks it away...

Pandering, pure and simple...

He's a politician...

re: #76 mean Gene

The smarmy guy on McCain's staff is none other than Juan Hernandez.

re: #86 Widow'smight

Oh lawdy lol

re: #91 Oh no...Sand People!

Thanks...I need to get the black eye and bloody nose more defined.

The black eye is pretty well defined.

re: #70 clgood

Even so, it grates. It grates badly, particularly when paired with the notion of "Aztlan."

The last thing in the world any sensible person wants to see is the American Southwest turned into another failed state. That's exactly what would happen if these groups got their way.

Volcano in Chile
Where's coquimbojoe?

I call Mr. McCain John "Let's make a deal" McCain.
He will bend over backwards to cut a deal and say that he has done something.
It leaves him open to a High / Low gambit. The dems know they can work a deal with McCain, so they start negotiations at the high point. What they really want is the low one, and work their way down. Hoping for any bonus points they can get above the low mark.

I'm exceptionally unimpressed with McCain.

Will a real Conservative please stand up!

re: #70 clgood

But in colloquial Spanish as it's spoken in Mexico la raza translates more to "my people" or, as an Italian might say, paisano. I've even heard my Mexican in-laws use raza to kiddingly disparage other Mexicans for stereotypical behavior.

Correct. My faithful _Pequeño Larousse ilustrado_ (1996) gives the following as some of the definitions for "raza":

5. Mex. Fam. Grupo de gente. 6. Mex. Fam. Plebe.

re: #74 Ringo the Gringo

The new face of the Republican Party.

And we're Who fans, too? Cool.

re: #99 trdlgmsr

Thanks again.
He sure had kept a low profile for a while, hadn't he?
I actually couldn't even think of his name.

re: #93 laZardo

Because unfortunately, Republicans currently make up a minority of the vote?

Which is why Republicans are trying to become more liberal.

They think that popularity is what will save our country.

IT's ironic that McCain war hero status comes from fighting the Communist take-over of Vietnam, yet.........

re: #97 BulgarWheat

that makes me want to walk into a bar

Amen to that.

phone rang on my way out the door and now I'm on hold....

Babba this is for you:

I am a Patriot

And the river opens for the righteous, someday

I was walking with my brother
And he wondered what was on my mind
I said what I believe in my soul
It ain't what I see with my eyes
And we can't turn our backs this time

I am a patriot and I love my country
Because my country is all I know
I want to be with my family
With people who understand me
I got nowhere else to go
I am a patriot

And the river opens for the righteous, someday

I was talking with my sister
She looked so fine
I said baby what's on your mind
She said I want to run like the lion
Released from the cages
Released from the rages
Burning in my heart tonight

I am a patriot and I love my country
Because my country is all I know

And I ain't no communist, and I ain't no capitalist
And I ain't no socialist
and I sure ain't no imperialist
And I ain't no democrat
And I ain't no republican either
And I only know one party
and its name is freedom
I am a patriot

And the river opens for the righteous, someday

re: #95 BGOH

Of course, the transition from whig to Republican was clean and smooth and didn't involve people actually voting for a third party called Republican.

Right?

/

re: #1 JammieWearingFool

Pandering to your enemies never works.

These are no McCain's enemies. In fact he received an award from La Raza. He actually is La Raza's most prominent supporter.

RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUUUUUUU

Aw, nutz.

re: #90 Ringo the Gringo

Maybe John McCain thought that "the race" was a reference to the race for the White House.

C'mon folks...Let's give him the benefit of the doubt here.

Maybe he thinks it is an after party for the Kentucky Derby? Hell, if Obama didn't hear a negative word out of Wright's mouth in 20 years, I can go with the after party thing.

And so much for the whole "special interests" thing.

re: #98 tfc3rid

Everytime you begin to have the slightest bit of faith in him, he yanks it away...

Pandering, pure and simple...

He's a politician...

and SHAME on us for not liking him!

McCain's going to be a disaster. His platform is this:

"Copy the exact same platform that George W ran on which is try to be nice to the liberals and leftists so we can all be friends."

Yea, that worked. Liberals just looooove George W Bush.

I'll be surprised if he gets elected anyway. I think he's the Bob Dole of our time.

re: #104 Electron Shuffler

I call Mr. McCain John "Let's make a deal" McCain.
He will bend over backwards to cut a deal and say that he has done something.
It leaves him open to a High / Low gambit. The dems know they can work a deal with McCain, so they start negotiations at the high point. What they really want is the low one, and work their way down. Hoping for any bonus points they can get above the low mark.

I'm exceptionally unimpressed with McCain.

Will a real Conservative please stand up!

Some did. the msm and GOP ignored them, even though they are currently sitting in the House as Republicans.

re: #89 jcm

It's as much it's "race" based ideologoly that grates...

And note that, of course, this is all a project to convince hispanics that you can only be part of the "raza"/people/tribe/whatever IF YOU THINK THE WAY WE DO... quite similar to how conservative black Americans are denounced as being "not really black".

re: #108 LanceKates

Democracy wouldn't work if it weren't a majority vote.

re: #111 loppyd

too bad Jackson Brown doesn't understand himslef lol
Thanks!

re: #47 MandyManners

I just saw that inaccurate "100 years" commercial from the DNC run on Fox.

FOX, YOU SUCK.

Yes, what is it with FOX lately? Last night FOX showed footage of a Mike Tobin piece on the "Palestinian" terrorists lauching rockets into Israel. He was taken to one of their safehouses where the rockets were constructed just prior to launch. In one segment, it almost appeared that he was helping them pour the exposives into the warhead. I felt utter outrage watching this.

re: #121 laZardo

Democracy wouldn't work if it weren't a majority vote.

There's a difference between winning an election and pandering to liberals, racists, and generally anti-american scum.

re: #80 Dianna

Then I have to suffer four years of Clinton or Obama.

Thanks, but no thanks.

Will Clinton or Obama last four years? How long will it take the mooonbat contingent to: "impeach,impeach,impeach,impeach"?

re: #123 Burkha, Flies and a Shiekh

They are partly owned by a Saudi Prince

it has not been lately it has been declining for years

re: #123 Burkha, Flies and a Shiekh

They want to be 'fair and balanced' so they're making up for being the only ones to show Wright in a negative light.

re: #120 Occasional Reader

And note that, of course, this is all a project to convince hispanics that you can only be part of the "raza"/people/tribe/whatever IF YOU THINK THE WAY WE DO... quite similar to how conservative black Americans are denounced as being "not really black".

IF YOU THINK THE WAY WE DO...

Bingo!

Why is La Raza as an organization even allowed to exist? they openly want to usurp the constitution. Anyone affiliated should be tried for treason and either exiled or deported. For god's sake,UPHOLD AND ENFORCE OUR LAWS!

Which candidate doesn't endorse breaking the law?

re: #129 chukardog

Why is La Raza as an organization even allowed to exist? they openly want to usurp the constitution. Anyone affiliated should be tried for treason and either exiled or deported. For god's sake,UPHOLD AND ENFORCE OUR LAWS!

They'll get to that. It is on the 'to do list' right after 'ACTUALLY secure the borders."

re: #131 akak

Which candidate doesn't endorse breaking the law?

Lance Kates for President in 2016.

re: #122 BabbaZee

too bad Jackson Brown doesn't understand himslef lol
Thanks!

Isn't it Little Steven (AKA Sil on Sopranos).....?

re: #95 BGOH

Well, it is the way our system has worked since 1787. No "third" party has ever won national office, and one never will. The Republicans were born of the Whig's disintegration in the 1850's, and that is the only way that one of the two current parties is going to meet it's demise.

So - how do you propose we cause this splintering? I certainly won't vote for the party, especially this candidate, who not only walked away from me but hold's my philosophy (basically the conservative base) in open contempt.

I'm all for a viable 3rd party. We need an open revolt in the GOP. Perhaps guys like Jeff Flake are fed up enough. Bring back Bob Barr (who left the GOP in disgust), add in a bit of Gingrich and maybe even a little Santorum. Hell, what's Bob Dornan's phone number? :)

Regardless, I've held my nose and voted for the lesser of evils too many times. No more - it stops with this election.

Somebody tell me again why I should vote for the white-haired chipmunk.

Prince al-Walid bin Talal Fox News

Would that be the La Raza that pulled their conference out of Kansas City because a member of our Parks Board, a 70ish year old woman, is a member of the Minutemen? You should have heard the bitching and moaning, and they have the nerve to call their group "The Race". I guess if its in Spanish its OK. How about La Raza Blanca?

re: #133 LanceKates

so, you're assuming that America will exist in 2016?

fascinating.............

re: #134 loppyd

never seen the sopranos

re: #135 trdlgmsr

Newt Gingrich who dumped his sick wife for another woman?

rush!

re: #136 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Somebody tell me again why I should vote for the white-haired chipmunk.

'Cause we don't need either HRC or BHO in the White House.

re: #136 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Somebody tell me again why I should vote for the white-haired chipmunk.

Wright, Avery, Doran, Michelle, Rezko, Black Liberation Theology, Hearing loss for 20 years, Jimmy Carter, Iran, Atomic Weapons, and other good stuff like that. Buy some nose plugs like I did.

Embrace the Dark Side,
vote Hillary this November.
You know you really want to.
Deep down, you KNOW we're right!

// We haz cookies to...

re: #141 MandyManners

Newt Gingrich who dumped his sick wife for another woman?

Don't play that game.

McCain is on his 2nd wife - his first had some not so nice things to say about her ex.... Nancy was Reagan's 2nd wife.

re: #119 LanceKates

I've been trying to keep track of them, but for the current crop of presidential candidates, all leave me with a funky taste in my mouth. The least is McCain.

I really don't want to vote for him if I have to. Ick.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

EXCLUSIVE VIDEO: FOX News' Mike Tobin gets first-hand look at Gaza rocket-making

Mike Tobin Visits Where Deadly Rockets Are Made

I. Am. Done. With. Fox.

I should have been done with them back when Jennifer Griffin was reporting by phone about "violent protests" and "tear gas" and other such craziness by the fence, only to suddenly have her camera come on and she's standing there on the phone smoking a cigarette with no action around whatsoever.

The deception is EVERYWHERE.

Staying sane is like trying to ride an elephant through the eye of a needle.

re: #135 trdlgmsr

each time we 'hold our nose' we only enable the Party to grow in its stench.

People are willing to do that, but I find "ANybody but Clinton/Obama!" to be as out of touch with rationality as "Anybody but Bush!"

When you're willing to accept 'anybody but" you tend to get pretty awful 'anybody's.

re: #149 Ben Hur

I was done about 3 years ago

re: #138 kansas

I just realized that Casablanca essentially means White House. o_O

re: #139 BulgarWheat

so, you're assuming that America will exist in 2016?

fascinating.............

Well, I'm a little low on ammo now, but I just got my 'stimulus' check, so I should have enough to hold over until then.

re: #140 BabbaZee

never seen the sopranos

I think you would like it. It's on A&E now....

re: #144 MandyManners

"HRC or BHO in the White House"

*shivers*

re: #133 LanceKates

Use any combination of either of the words Hope and Change in your campaign slogans and you will not have my vote. LOL.

re: #112 LanceKates

Of course, the transition from whig to Republican was clean and smooth and didn't involve people actually voting for a third party called Republican.

Right?

/

Well of course not. But, the Whigs went through some pretty protracted death throes in the decade leading up to it's disintegration. Right now, the Republican party shows no sign of dying, despite losing one midterm election cycle. And the truth of the matter is that there has never been a true "conservative" party as someone up thread was looking for. Yes, Ronald Reagan did, temporarily, infuse the Republican Party with the healthiest dose of base conservatism that has ever existed in American politics, but it was (unfortunately) temporary. The blue bloods have reasserted their authority, and conservatives have lost their short-lived foothold. That isn't a party dying, that is a party making an historically precedented realignment.

Go out and support someone like Bobby Jindal. Make a name for him and force the blue bloods to accept him. Don't be an idiot and force us all to live under a Marxist Obama regime simply because you can't face reality. With Marxism making a resurgence around the world, this is no time to sit in the hall and wet yourself in protest.

re: #149 Ben Hur

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

EXCLUSIVE VIDEO: FOX News' Mike Tobin gets first-hand look at Gaza rocket-making

Mike Tobin Visits Where Deadly Rockets Are Made

I. Am. Done. With. Fox.

I should have been done with them back when Jennifer Griffin was reporting by phone about "violent protests" and "tear gas" and other such craziness by the fence, only to suddenly have her camera come on and she's standing there on the phone smoking a cigarette with no action around whatsoever.

THREAD ME!

re: #130 taxfreekiller

Thing is McLame is barking up the wrong tree once more, soon the wage slaves he and the evil money cult have been using to over supply the home market and drive YOUR home price down will have no work to wage slave at.

Funny you should mention that. I checked zillow dot com this morning on the value of my home. It dropped 57,000 dollars in the past month. Who the hell would sign a contract to have a home built not knowing what the value of it would be at the end?

RON PAUL! 08

/

re: #147 trdlgmsr

I'll play any freakin' game I want and don't you dare to tell me otherwise. The simple fact is that Newt left his wife when she was sick.

McCain '08!

/yawn

re: #140 BabbaZee

re: #155 loppyd

That reminds me...I did something for a videography class...

re: #151 LanceKates

each time we 'hold our nose' we only enable the Party to grow in its stench.

People are willing to do that, but I find "ANybody but Clinton/Obama!" to be as out of touch with rationality as "Anybody but Bush!"

When you're willing to accept 'anybody but" you tend to get pretty awful 'anybody's.

Amen

leaving now before the phone rings again....

BBL

re: #149 Ben Hur

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

EXCLUSIVE VIDEO: FOX News' Mike Tobin gets first-hand look at Gaza rocket-making

Mike Tobin Visits Where Deadly Rockets Are Made

I. Am. Done. With. Fox.

I should have been done with them back when Jennifer Griffin was reporting by phone about "violent protests" and "tear gas" and other such craziness by the fence, only to suddenly have her camera come on and she's standing there on the phone smoking a cigarette with no action around whatsoever.

Scum Ball statement of the day:

Good Guys? Bad Guys? That’s not for the messenger to decide. My job is just to get it to the viewers and let them decide.

re: #165 laZardo

re: #155 loppyd

That reminds me...I did something for a videography class...

I will watch when I get back. Promise!

re: #148 Electron Shuffler

I've been trying to keep track of them, but for the current crop of presidential candidates, all leave me with a funky taste in my mouth. The least is McCain.

I really don't want to vote for him if I have to. Ick.

what current crop? we have 1. McCain.

We USED to have a crop, but the MSM worked hard to ignore Duncan Hunter.... painted Thompson as an aloof bafoon, made sure EVERYONE knew about Romney's religion (and made sure to always mention that christians are too bigoted to vote for a mormon) and worked hard to write off Huckabee as a 'fundie' hick.

They rooted for Rudy and they rooted for McCain.

Rudy (as I said LONG LONG ago when he started his run) is a provincial candidate and wouldn't win. (I caught alot of hell for that statement, but I was right.)

That leaves McCain... the one republican that the MSM doesn't mind, because he is to the left of Liberman on many things.

Heck, until he announced he was running as a republican, he opposed the Tax Cuts.

won't fight illegal immigration, supports amnesty, wants to close Gitmo, accepts gun control, sides with the dems on many issues.....

We are going to have him as the roadblock to keep the democrat congress from having its way?

and people believe that he'll stand up to the democrat congress?

re: #95 BGOH

Forget about a third party.
We need another Tea Party!

re: #160 EC Marm

Everyone who partook of the housing boom only to inadvertently make it go bust and create the "subprime crisis..."

re: #125 Conservative in Liberal Hands

It wouldn't happen. Particularly not to Obama.

Look, no one is happy. Partly, that's because the Republican field was so fractured to begin with, and that allowed the MSM to create momentum for McCain, and here we are. The other part is that the candidates who seemed at least somewhat worthwhile - like Rudy - didn't appeal to hard-core social conservatives, and those who appealed to social conservatives never caught fire or raised money.

We're stuck. I'm not happy. But every time I look at Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, I figure at least McCain believes in this country and fighting for it. We'll have to rely on our congressional and senatorial picks to keep McCain from giving away the store.

So, well...I guess we did it to ourselves, and now we have to suck it up.

re: #135 trdlgmsr

So - how do you propose we cause this splintering? I certainly won't vote for the party, especially this candidate, who not only walked away from me but hold's my philosophy (basically the conservative base) in open contempt.

I'm all for a viable 3rd party. We need an open revolt in the GOP. Perhaps guys like Jeff Flake are fed up enough. Bring back Bob Barr (who left the GOP in disgust), add in a bit of Gingrich and maybe even a little Santorum. Hell, what's Bob Dornan's phone number? :)

Regardless, I've held my nose and voted for the lesser of evils too many times. No more - it stops with this election.

Listen, I admire your passion and I definately sympathize with you. But good God man, you sound like a Che t-shirt wearing lib! "Open revolt" is your solution? I'm sorry, but this just is not a rational stance.

As I said, there are realistic ways to change the party, and this is not one of them. Neither is punishing the nation by ensuring that willful idiots win national office.

re: #168 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I'm sure that includes al-Queda and the like.

re: #150 BabbaZee

bare-back or saddle?

re: #162 MandyManners

I'll play any freakin' game I want and don't you dare to tell me otherwise. The simple fact is that Newt left his wife when she was sick.

Newt added to the sell out when he popped up on the 'Climate Change' crapwagon with Queen Bee Pelosi in those friggin commercials.

I spit on "Climate Change".

re: #157 laZardo

Use any combination of either of the words Hope and Change in your campaign slogans and you will not have my vote. LOL.

lol.. no.

My campaign slogan is "No More Liberal Rule"

I'm going to vote for Mccain, but I'm going to grumble every day until then.

re: #159 Ben Hur

THREAD ME!

I dumped Fox after their "speaking truth to power" coverage of Katrina.

re: #158 BGOH

It seems to me that moving to the left to steal Democrat votes is a sign that the CONSERVATIVE party is dying, trying to morph into a liberal party.

You still haven't explained why a conservative should vote for a liberal.

"Do you know why Chelsea Clinton is so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father." --
John McCain at a 1998 Republican fundraiser

Maybe there is hope.

re: #181 LanceKates

It seems to me that moving to the left to steal Democrat votes is a sign that the CONSERVATIVE party is dying, trying to morph into a liberal party.

You still haven't explained why a conservative should vote for a liberal.

Because we hate America? We hate Freedom? We want our Socialist Utopia of misery? We can't stand living unless some slovenly bureaucrat is telling us how to live?

Those are the only reasons I can think of...

re: #179 Silhouette

I'm going to vote for Mccain, but I'm going to grumble every day until then.

I am gonna get an absentee ballot and vote as soon as I can, and then go on with my life. And of course I will stock on the booze for Election Night.

Stephen Harper is losing conservative allies by the minute.

re: #174 BGOH

We could tell the RNC how we feel.

Of course, when RNC phone bank employees started reporting that people weren't donating because the RNC was moving to the left, the RNCs response was to fire the employees.

It doesn't sound like they're interested in our point of view.

They want us to just vote for them.

Republicans: Pandering to the Left and browbeating conservatives.

Later Lizards.

re: #181 LanceKates

It seems to me that moving to the left to steal Democrat votes is a sign that the CONSERVATIVE party is dying, trying to morph into a liberal party.

You still haven't explained why a conservative should vote for a liberal.

And you completely missed the part where I said that there has never been a "conservative" party. Despite Reagan. If you and I want a conservative party, then we need to force the Republican party to become it. If you and I represent a minority in the Republican Party, how in the hell can you realistically propose that we will be able to create a conservative party out of nothing? And believe me, you and I are in ideological agreement.

re: #179 Silhouette

I'm going to vote for Mccain, but I'm going to grumble every day until then.

and probably every day after if he wins.

Democrat Congress. No one at the helm to stop them.

re: #136 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Somebody tell me again why I should vote for the white-haired chipmunk.

re: #144 MandyManners

'Cause we don't need either HRC or BHO in the White House.

Sorry, but that tired old line isn't going cut it anymore.

re: #158 BGOH

Well of course not. But, the Whigs went through some pretty protracted death throes in the decade leading up to it's disintegration. Right now, the Republican party shows no sign of dying, despite losing one midterm election cycle. And the truth of the matter is that there has never been a true "conservative" party as someone up thread was looking for. Yes, Ronald Reagan did, temporarily, infuse the Republican Party with the healthiest dose of base conservatism that has ever existed in American politics, but it was (unfortunately) temporary. The blue bloods have reasserted their authority, and conservatives have lost their short-lived foothold. That isn't a party dying, that is a party making an historically precedented realignment.

Problem is, the party *should* die (and we should help it along). I'm also not sure we are seeing a mere realignment this time around.

Go out and support someone like Bobby Jindal. Make a name for him and force the blue bloods to accept him. Don't be an idiot and force us all to live under a Marxist Obama regime simply because you can't face reality. With Marxism making a resurgence around the world, this is no time to sit in the hall and wet yourself in protest.

We should all support guys like Jindal. He's great. What I hope is that the new guard can do an end run around the blue bloods and essentially form a new party in the ashes of the GOP. Keep the name, I really don't care, but just stop being liberals in disguise.

I love John Bolton;

John Bolton: US should bomb Iranian camps

Mr Bolton said that striking Iran would represent a major step towards victory in Iraq. While he acknowledged that the risk of a hostile Iranian response harming American’s overseas interests existed, he said the damage inflicted by Tehran would be “far higher” if Washington took no action.

“This is a case where the use of military force against a training camp to show the Iranians we’re not going to tolerate this is really the most prudent thing to do,” he said. “Then the ball would be in Iran’s court to draw the appropriate lesson to stop harming our troops.”

Mr Bolton, an influential former member of President George W Bush’s inner circle, dismissed as “dead wrong” reported British intelligence conclusions that the US military had overstated the support that Iran was providing to Iraqi fighters.

Midnight approaches, and my recently-acquired internship (here referred to as OJT or On-The-Job Training) is picky about punctuality. G'night!

re: #168 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I saw that this morning... I scratched my head and thought, "uhhh.Mikey? The only reason blood is not squirting from your neck right now you idiot is that it's on the national news. Try and sit down to dinner with your new friends!"...

can you say....lemmings?

re: #180 AmeriDan

I dumped Fox after their "speaking truth to power" coverage of Katrina.

Yeah, but if you want to hear even close to both sides on TV, you got someplace else to recommend?

re: #70 clgood,

It sounds better in German: ein Volk. More accurate as to what they mean anyway.

re: #151 LanceKates

Except that it was attitudes like yours that got us McCain.

Politics is the art of the possible. It's not pretty, and it's not pleasant, but if you want utter moral purity, the company you'll find yourself in will not be very pleasant, either.

re: #89 jcm

Yes, to be clear, La Raza is a radical, Marxist group. I am in no way defending them. I'm just pointing out that, ironically perhaps, their name isn't really offensive. When you stop to think about it, lots of Marxist groups choose inoffensive, soft or noble-sounding names. This is just yet another one.

I point it out in the interest of accuracy, and to avoid potential misunderstandings with non-Marxist Mexicans who may use the word quite properly and innocently.

re: #176 BulgarWheat

bare-back or saddle?

Bareback

History is going to reflect on the 2008 Presidential race, in particular February through November as the race between Dumb, Dumber, and Dumbest.

Each of the candidates seem focused on winning that race as well as the Presidential race.

The key gaffes - Sniper fire in Bosnia, Wright / Michelle Obama, and McCain @ LaRaza.

Our alternatives - LuapNor, Bob Barr, or Ralph Nader.....

It sounds like a good year for Mickey Mouse or Pat Paulson.

re: #190 Da_Beerfreak

Sorry, but that tired old line isn't going cut it anymore.

Hope you like paying more taxes.

re: #56 BGOH

This is an entirely ignorant, irrational stance. I'm sick of people who think that voting for an irrelevant third party is going to in any way change the current system.

The only way this two party system will be altered is by one or both parties splitting and creating a third party in it's ashes. Those two splinters will create one, and we're back to two parties again. That is the way our government is structured. Period. There is a reason we don't have a PM or a parliament.

Until then, change the party of your choice from within. You don't teach a party a lesson by damning it to defeat. The last time we tried that we earned ourselves Nancy "for the children" Pelosi, and Dingy Harry.

Think a little bit.

BGOH - What you and some of the others here are experiencing is the Republican version of "Battered Wives Syndrome." - The thinking is "oh, he really loves me and he'll change and maybe he only broke my arm because maybe I was a little mouthy."

Bull. Shit.

The leadership of the Republican party wants power, pure and simple. Anything they do that corresponds towards your ideological leanings is purely coincidental. They're playing a game of moving the tent around trying to "cover" the maximum number of votes. If the tent moves from over your head, well, that's too darned bad because they think that the group they just moved it over to is larger than yours. Even with a huge issue like border control and a massive uprising of not just their base but over half of the Democrat base as well, the course correction (if it even holds) was a snarling "OK you idiotic little people, you'll get your f*#%ng fence." That's reasonably close to McCain's actual quote.

Yes, some of the great leaders of the past have enlarged the tent keeping everyone reasonably happy rather than moving it around. The Republican party doesn't have any great leaders at the top right now. Sorry.

So the question becomes - what's the greater evil? Four years of Obama or Clinton, or letting the Republican Party's leadership continue to drift to the left? If you continue to vote for Republican candidates, all you've shown them is that they can screw you and you'll still vote for them. This doesn't offer hope for the future; this invites more screwing. If you need proof, just look at the behavior of Congress under Republican control for the last 10 years or so. They swept in with the Contract for America, but after a few years it was back to business as usual (pork, pork, pork, etc).

Of course there are some significant differences between McCain and his eventual opponent, but there are some very significant similarities as well. Look at the record and not the rhetoric. Personally, I can live with four years of pain if it bitch-slaps the Republicans back to the right. However, I live in a deeply blue state so my vote woulnd't count towards McCain anyway. I'll probably vote third party or write in "Zombie Reagan."

Anyway, McCain supporters should give this some hard thought: if he and the Republican Party leadership only represent you on a small handful of issues, how much are you willing to put up with before you gain some intestinal fortitude and stand up for what you believe in? The corrections will only get harder as time goes on. It's just my $.02 and everyone needs to make up their own mind on this, but I strongly believe that if you vote for McCain the Republican Party leadership is using you like a roll of toilet paper, and once he's elected will flush your used ass down the toilet.

The Republican Party members are still great people. The people claiming to be representing us in Washington need to be changed like a baby's diaper, and for the same reason.

re: #188 BGOH

And you completely missed the part where I said that there has never been a "conservative" party. Despite Reagan. If you and I want a conservative party, then we need to force the Republican party to become it. If you and I represent a minority in the Republican Party, how in the hell can you realistically propose that we will be able to create a conservative party out of nothing? And believe me, you and I are in ideological agreement.

So the solution is to shut up and vote for a liberal who meets with La Raza?

When we tell the RNC how we feel, they fire the people who pass along the message?

The RNC is not interested in the opinion of conservatives. They're content with letting people 'guilt' a conservative into voting Republican.

THANKFULLY, I have some GOOD conservatives representing Oklahoma in Congress.

However for President? There isn't even a quasi-conservative there.

People have let the 'anybody but Clinton/Obama' rhetoric lead them to choose the LEAST qualified....

McCain has made the calculation that he will get more Democrats and Independents than he will lose Republicans with his liberal/moderate stances.

I suspect he might be correct.

re: #197 Dianna

Except that it was attitudes like yours that got us McCain.

Politics is the art of the possible. It's not pretty, and it's not pleasant, but if you want utter moral purity, the company you'll find yourself in will not be very pleasant, either.

[Link: marklevinfan.com...]

re: #173 Dianna

I figure at least McCain believes in this country and fighting for it.

yeah, but meeting with Laraza? The question in my mind is ....exactly which country does he believe in?

re: #170 LanceKates

I agree, all of them are horrible.
All of you are sharp, I can't get a word in edgewize.

I feel better when I support those with a proven track record, and not focus myself on the three nitwits running for presedent.

re: #168 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I think the viewers have decided. At least, the viewers here.

re: #199 BabbaZee

Bareback

You can take the girl outta the Bronx, but......................

re: #197 Dianna

And just how did me saying "WE need a conservative!" get us McCain?

Because I didn't support Rudy, the gun control advocate who supported (and indeed as mayor, launched) lawsuits against gun manufacturers for crimes commited with their firearms?

Don't lay this at my doorstep.

From the beginning I have done nothing but say we need a hard conservative to off-set congress and voting for anyone squishy will only further allow liberals to rule.

Tell me how McCain is my fault.

re: #199 BabbaZee

YipppeeeeeKiiiiiiYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY, M'FERs!

re: #174 BGOH

Listen, I admire your passion and I definately sympathize with you. But good God man, you sound like a Che t-shirt wearing lib! "Open revolt" is your solution? I'm sorry, but this just is not a rational stance.

As I said, there are realistic ways to change the party, and this is not one of them. Neither is punishing the nation by ensuring that willful idiots win national office.

Actually, a Reagan t-shirt wearing conservative is less insulting.... ;)

Without open revolt in a party that openly despises a large part of it's base, how do you affect change? How would you describe the birth of the Republicans from the Whigs? My guess is that the Whig loyalists were less than pleased, and thought those that broke away were in open revolt.

I think you need to rethink your use of the phrase "not a rational stance". And, perhaps be a little more accepting of other points of view.

One thing I am surprised is why La Raza would even invite a WASP to speak at their conference...maybe there are certain agendas on both McCain and La Raza behind the scene that we don't know...

I remember that McCain wanted to give what amounts to amnesty to illegals already in this country.

One local state Republican running for office came and spoke to us and said that the illegal immigration control would be more effective if we built a stronger border. Without that, most thing we do is useless. The issue of what we do with illegals, with some who have stayed here for many years, the practical thing is to give them residency (he said that). If we deported all of them, we could cause quite a bit of distress in every way (apparently business owners rely on them for cheap labor, paying cash) and also family breakage as children born in this country are now American citizens..In other words, a stronger border wall would be the most pressing immediate solution...

I wonder when we`ll start seeing groups in Alaska or perhaps northern California calling themselves something along the lines of "Rossiya Narodny" and demanding their old homeland back.

re: #195 kansas

Yeah, but if you want to hear even close to both sides on TV, you got someplace else to recommend?

Nope, not a one. So I guess you could say I don't watch any TV news.
As far as breaking news, anyway.

They can give me the spin later... but when it's happening... just give me the fricking news.

re: #204 zmdavid

McCain has made the calculation that he will get more Democrats and Independents than he will lose Republicans with his liberal/moderate stances.

I suspect he might be correct.

I think you are right too...but they are still trying to associate McCain with President Bush.

re: #192 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I miss John Bolton at the UN too.

re: #179 Silhouette

You, too?

I'm trying to keep my grumbling to a minimum. But he's not making it easy.

re: #185 akak

Stephen Harper is losing conservative allies by the minute.

One has to wonder if there is a latent fear of success that in infecting many conservatives. Once they get there, they don't seem to avoid stomping on their own crank with some degree of frequency?

Why is it conservatives achieve office and then appease and pander to those who wouldn't think twice of eviserating them in order to not be demonized? They're going to be demonized regardless, so one might as well stick to the Conservative principles and get demonized for those principles than to appease the left.

Perhaps its because Conservatives think of politics as secondary to life - and the left thinks life is secondary to power.

guess I better take those Spanish lessons I've been puttin' off...

how to you say, "McCain is a sellout" in Spanish, anyway?

:-?

If McCain is elected president, everyday of his term must be made a living hell by the conservatives of this country. We deserve better than he has to offer. Don't condescend and grin the liberal grin and expect to have a free ride to the retirement home, Mr. Senator McCain.

re: #203 LanceKates

I think the other thing that you have to bear in mind is that this shouldn't be an election in which Republicans stand a chance given current perceptions of Republicans and the resulting historical indicators. I'm not thrilled with McCain - to say the very least - but I recognize that, even with the infighting among the Dems, a less "centrist" candidate than McCain wouldn't stand a snocone's chance in hell in November.

I know that isn't much consolation, but while McCain makes my stomach turn, the alternatives make me create copious amounts of projectile vomit.

re: #198 clgood

When you stop to think about it, lots of Marxist groups choose inoffensive, soft or noble-sounding names. This is just yet another one.

'The Race' is an inoffensive, soft or noble-sounding name? 'Everything for the race' is an inoffensive, soft or noble-sounding motto?

As marxist organizations go, this one is rather upfront with what they are seeking.

re: #222 paxnhymn

McCain es un sellout

re: #201 MandyManners

Hope you like paying more taxes.

I agree Mandy. Although I do not trust McCain and his pandering it's better than higher taxes and a socialist state.

re: #224 BGOH

Of what value is a republican win if they are liberal republicans.

Republican bills aren't good bills just because they're Republican bills.

Republicans do bad things too, especially when they dip into liberalism.

I don't want a REPUBLICAN to win, I want a conservative to win.

Of course, that doesn't seem to be popular, not when there's a chance to elect a Moderate who won't stand up to the Democrats!

re: #210 LanceKates

I repeat - your attitude (that certain candidates weren't pure enough) got us McCain. It contributed to the fractured nature of the support that Duncan Hunter - or Rudy - could have gotten, and landed us with McCain.

It's not you personally that did it, but your attitude was pretty wide-spread.

And here we are.

Don't bother re-hashing your points. I read them ad nauseam before. It's not even that you're wrong, it's that you took a position that frankly didn't help much in staving off McCain.

re: #220 Dianna

You, too?

I'm trying to keep my grumbling to a minimum. But he's not making it easy.

after I vote in November, I'll probably have to spend the rest of the day in the shower to get that nasty feelin' off of me...

re: #216 taxfreekiller

Look on the bright side, no matter which of the three gets elected,

first day in office, any of the three, "lame duck" for four years.

That is clear.

BINGO! You are sooooo right.

re: #227 jorline

Why do you think that McCain wouldn't sign Tax increases purposed by the Democrat Congress?

People seem to think that if we just get an R in office, suddenly everything will be roses and sunshine.

We don't need an R in office, we need a conservative who has enough of a spine to tell the Democrats to take a hike.

He doesn't do that now as a congressman, why would he do that then as a president?

McCain no es un conservador!

re: #227 jorline

I agree Mandy. Although I do not trust McCain and his pandering it's better than higher taxes and a socialist state.

Ohh, it'll still happen, but it'll be backdoor vis-a-vis higher insurance costs due to the upswell of illegals coming into our country for the healthcare smorgasborg at your local ERs...

re: #31 trdlgmsr

Error.

McCain n'est pas un conservateur!

re: #216 taxfreekiller

Look on the bright side, no matter which of the three gets elected,

first day in office, any of the three, "lame duck" for four years.

That is clear.

Total agreement here killer

re: #229 Dianna

who the heck said anything about being 'pure' ? Using kind of charged words there.

I said they aren't conservatives.

it's that you took a position that frankly didn't help much in staving off McCain.

I still don't see how calling for a conservative isn't what we're supposed to do to ward off a liberal.

What do you suggest?

McCain ist nicht eine konservative!

re: #232 LanceKates

Ummm. Because he can?

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re: #227 jorline

I agree Mandy. Although I do not trust McCain and his pandering it's better than higher taxes and a socialist state.

Um.... from the guy who fought against the Bush tax cuts "for the rich." And yes, he was complaining about the lack of spending offsets but he through in plenty of stomach-turning populist rhetoric in the process. Anyway, good luck with that! When McCain raises our taxes I'll be rolling my eyes (the only consolation left to me).

re: #240 Cap'n DOC

Ummm. Because he can?

I'm not confident that he has the ability.

He seem to only find his backbone when he's calling NC GOP people 'out of touch with reality'

only to waffle when Obama says that it's ok to mention Wright.

re: #243 LanceKates

It's all rhetoric at this point.

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re: #206 paxnhymn

Write to him and ask.

Remember, politicians tend to be surrounded by people who tell them they're great. It's up to us to remind him that he's not.

re: #241 BulgarWheat

common. You got at least a couple dozen to go..

You don't like McCain? Fine. You are worried that the Republican party is drifting to the left? Fine. However, the time to pull out the engine and retool it is not seven months before the general election! If you want to overhaul the party, overhaul it, but let's not do it when so much is at stake. Any talk of a third party--so close before the '08 election--is only going to allow the real threat (Hillary or Obama) to have a chance at winning.

re: #244 Cap'n DOC

It's all rhetoric at this point.

which is what it remains until we see President McCain signing a bill to increase taxes in order to pay for an expanding 'child healthcare program'

which he will gladly sign in exchange for war funding.

which the democrats will not give him.

followed by a new gun control bill, which he will gladly sign in exchange for war funding.

which the democrats will not give him.

n liberal, un socialista y un marxista. El infierno de una elección

re: #248 Pater Coop

Some of us have been calling for this for years now. Not really good form to condemn us now for not giving up.

re: #247 paxnhymn

Hey, I can't help it. Being a new toy and all.

re: #234 paxnhymn

Ohh, it'll still happen, but it'll be backdoor vis-a-vis higher insurance costs due to the upswell of illegals coming into our country for the healthcare smorgasborg at your local ERs...

I lived for 15 years in far south Texas, seven miles from the border. I lived and witnessed first hand what the future of our country will look like without checked immigration. One out of four cars dropping off kids at school had Mexico license plates.

Republicans want my vote for President in 2008?

Perhaps they should start pandering to the conservative undecided voter, rather than pandering to just the liberal undecided voters.

re: #212 trdlgmsr

Actually, a Reagan t-shirt wearing conservative is less insulting.... ;)

Without open revolt in a party that openly despises a large part of it's base, how do you affect change? How would you describe the birth of the Republicans from the Whigs? My guess is that the Whig loyalists were less than pleased, and thought those that broke away were in open revolt.

I think you need to rethink your use of the phrase "not a rational stance". And, perhaps be a little more accepting of other points of view.

Well, the t-shirt bit was just for effect. LOL

Like I said earlier, we can affect change by pushing true conservatives like Jindal, that hottie up in Alaska, and others like them to national prominence. Remember, the blue bloods have only reasserted themselves becasue conservatives have failed to produce anyone capable of leading the party at the national level. Remember - the blue bloods are the DEFAULT position within the Republican Party. Conservatives are the exception to the historical rule. That sucks, I know, but it is reality.

And believe me, the only thing an "open revolt" in the Republican Party would do right now is ensure another 40 years of national dominance by the Democrats. I'm sure we all have a friend or two who we beleive could use a swift kick to the nads, but I don't think taking such action while that friend is bleeding profusely from the head is probably the worst idea ever.

Alright, with that, I'm off to the golf course to continue to peck away at my rebate check. And maybe to kill a goose or two, if I'm lucky. Have a great day everyone!

re: #253 jorline

don't forget crime.

Oklahoma has seen two groups at the cause of much rise in crime:

'displaced' Katrina survivors and illegal immigrant gangs.

re: #232 LanceKates

Why do you think that McCain wouldn't sign Tax increases purposed by the Democrat Congress?

People seem to think that if we just get an R in office, suddenly everything will be roses and sunshine.

We don't need an R in office, we need a conservative who has enough of a spine to tell the Democrats to take a hike.

He doesn't do that now as a congressman, why would he do that then as a president?

I'll take john Bolton.

re: #230 paxnhymn

Yeah, me, too.

I think I'm going to vote, and then make absolutely certain I neither see nor hear any news until the next morning.

re: #257 jorline

I think he'd do a decent job, at least as VP.

This one's for Babba if she's out there.

No estoy loco, excelentísimo Festus

How to get elected

You step to the right
You step to the left
You step to right
And you shake it all about

You do the hokey pokey
and you turn yourself around
That's what's all about

well...stick a fork in me folks. I'm done. I'm gonna grow a "once we were victorious" garden (so I can remenisc about the Victory Gardens of the Greatest Generation) just so Mrs. Pax and I can afford to eat, learn to ride a bike all over the place like the friggin' Chinese, learn Spanish just so I can interact in the government and long for the country I once knew...

I'll give Thompson this credit:

He pushed for Term Limits and was largely laughed at by Congress.

He had a chance to be reelected, but declined, as he believed in what he pushed.

That's more than too many in congress.