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Obama: Israel is 'A Constant Sore'

Mon, May 12, 2008 at 5:20:28 pm PST

In an interview with Jeffrey Goldberg for The Atlantic, Barack Obama presents himself as the best friend Israel ever had.

Then he proceeds to call Israel a “constant sore” that “infects all of our foreign policy:” Obama on Zionism and Hamas.

JG: Do you think that Israel is a drag on America’s reputation overseas?

BO: No, no, no. But what I think is that this constant wound, that this constant sore, does infect all of our foreign policy.

(Hat tip: Protein Wisdom.)

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1 goddessoftheclassroom  5/12/08 5:21:22 pm reply quote 1

Why am I shocked?

2 Sharmuta  5/12/08 5:21:52 pm reply quote 44

The modern democrat party is a constant sore on the American body politic.

3 A Kiwi Infidel  5/12/08 5:21:54 pm reply quote 5

Well, no prises for guessing where your sympathies lies.

You are a constant sore as well BHO

4 experiencedtraveller  5/12/08 5:21:57 pm reply quote 12

This guy can't wait to dine with dictators.

5 wrenchwench  5/12/08 5:23:19 pm reply quote 4

He's gonna need a lot of waffles to avoid questions on that one.

6 kiwiviv  5/12/08 5:23:26 pm reply quote 31

God help us if this man ever becomes POTUS

7 mrdriven  5/12/08 5:23:35 pm reply quote 4

he was muslim by birth and then changed....

guess his views did not change....maybe his religion really did not either...

8 WrathofG-d  5/12/08 5:23:38 pm reply quote 1
9 Sharmuta  5/12/08 5:24:08 pm reply quote 24

re: #6 kiwiviv

God help us if this man ever becomes POTUS

God help Israel if this man becomes POTUS!

10 lawhawk  5/12/08 5:24:30 pm reply quote 12

If only someone would use that quote in an ad campaign in the NYC metro area. Those who are already on the fence regarding Obama and his commitment to the only steadfast ally the US has in the region are not going to like Obama's anti-Israel tripe.

11 mikeymom[deleted]  5/12/08 5:24:56 pm -1
12 Noam Sayin'  5/12/08 5:25:14 pm reply quote 0

Let's put him in charge of the country.

13 WrathofG-d  5/12/08 5:25:15 pm reply quote 0

re: #9 Sharmuta

H'S doesn't need BHO.

14 ironbill  5/12/08 5:26:09 pm reply quote 14

Every unscripted moment pulls the curtain back a little more on this guy.

He's a threat to this nation's existence and to that of our allies.

He'll make Carter look like Lincoln

15 amphibian  5/12/08 5:26:28 pm reply quote 4

Ah, just after I comment on the link to ask Charles to spawn off a thread for this, I refresh and here it is. That's service, I tellsya!

Hokay. So now Ears has admitted, in public and on the record, that he expects to bring peace in our time by tossing the Jews to the jihadniks.

When Rev. Hate-Whitey first surfaced, Ears threw Granny under the bus and he was fine. When Rev. H-W popped up again, like a slightly more entertaining jack-in-the-box, Ears threw the good reverend himself under the bus and he was still fine. Now whom will Ears blame? Looks like he's the only one left!

16 Ojoe  5/12/08 5:27:22 pm reply quote 17

I will bless those that bless.

I will curse those that curse;

I really hope for our sake that Obama does not get elected.

17 Alouette  5/12/08 5:27:31 pm reply quote 1
I want to solve the problem, and so my job in being a friend to Israel is partly to hold up a mirror and tell the truth and say if Israel is building settlements without any regard to the effects that this has on the peace process

Gah.

18 kiwiviv  5/12/08 5:27:38 pm reply quote 4

re: #11 mikeymom

Y'know - I always get so mad at the left/progressives who wish ill on others. I would hope that we would not stoop to such wishes in LGF. Hopefully we are above such talk - we can debate and argue without being hateful and crude.

19 WrathofG-d  5/12/08 5:27:58 pm reply quote 4

The Whole Quote Care Of; Israel Matzav:

BO: No, no, no. But what I think is that this constant wound, that this constant sore, does infect all of our foreign policy. The lack of a resolution to this problem provides an excuse for anti-American militant jihadists to engage in inexcusable actions, and so we have a national-security interest in solving this, and I also believe that Israel has a security interest in solving this because I believe that the status quo is unsustainable. I am absolutely convinced of that, and some of the tensions that might arise between me and some of the more hawkish elements in the Jewish community in the United States might stem from the fact that I’m not going to blindly adhere to whatever the most hawkish position is just because that’s the safest ground politically.

I want to solve the problem, and so my job in being a friend to Israel is partly to hold up a mirror and tell the truth and say if Israel is building settlements without any regard to the effects that this has on the peace process, then we’re going to be stuck in the same status quo that we’ve been stuck in for decades now, and that won’t lift that existential dread that David Grossman described in your article.

The notion that a vibrant, successful society with incredible economic growth and incredible cultural vitality is still plagued by this notion that this could all end at any moment -- you know, I don’t know what that feels like, but I can use my imagination to understand it. I would not want to raise my children in those circumstances. I want to make sure that the people of Israel, when they kiss their kids and put them on that bus, feel at least no more existential dread than any parent does whenever their kids leave their sight. So that then becomes the question: is settlement policy conducive to relieving that over the long term, or is it just making the situation worse? That’s the question that has to be asked.

20 BulgarWheat  5/12/08 5:28:21 pm reply quote 2

re: #14 ironbill

Shit! That's why Carter is so interesting in getting this cur into the office. It'll take the STANK off of his failed term.

Dang, that's cold!

21 ackomanyuki  5/12/08 5:28:42 pm reply quote 0

Will someone please give this Commie Canker a dose of penicillin.

22 jcm  5/12/08 5:28:54 pm reply quote 0

Wonder if he got the idea from Wrights Wrants on the Tuskegee Experiments.

23 mikeymom  5/12/08 5:28:54 pm reply quote -3

re: #18 kiwiviv

as my mentor mandy would say--go piss up a rope!

24 ironbill  5/12/08 5:29:12 pm reply quote 6

Hillary: Listen to me!

You're running out of cards.

Play this one

25 kiwiviv  5/12/08 5:29:20 pm reply quote 2

Thank you Charles for deleting #11 - we don't need that stuff in here.

26 MandyManners  5/12/08 5:29:35 pm reply quote 11

Glad I stayed for a minute.

OBAMA, *YOU* ARE THE ONE WHO IS A SORE AND *YOU* ARE THE ONE WHO WILL FUCK UP THIS NATION'S FOREIGN POLICY IF YOU ARE ELECTED PRESIDENT.

27 Milk Toast Intolerant  5/12/08 5:29:36 pm reply quote 24

He threw his grandma under the bus.
He threw his spiritual mentor of 20 years under the bus.
If elected President, Obama will throw Israel under the bus.

Take that to the bank.

28 loppyd  5/12/08 5:30:08 pm reply quote 15

Sorry.

Friends don't call friends sores.

29 BulgarWheat  5/12/08 5:30:47 pm reply quote 0

re: #26 MandyManners

Mandy, Obama hasn't been on this blog since Nodrog left. Everyone understands that.

30 kiwiviv  5/12/08 5:30:47 pm reply quote 1

re: #23 mikeymom

as my mentor mandy would say--go piss up a rope!

Do you REALLY want to talk like that? It seem like Charles didn;t like the comment either. The Grand Lizard is watching you.

31 Ojoe  5/12/08 5:30:59 pm reply quote 1
provides an excuse for anti-American militant jihadists to engage in inexcusable actions,

A contradiction

32 EC Marm  5/12/08 5:31:25 pm reply quote 1

re: #18 kiwiviv
Please. If the comment is offensive, just "Reply" to it. Don't include it by hitting "Quote."

33 Intrepid  5/12/08 5:31:26 pm reply quote 1

Dang - GOTC, maybe you can answer this one.

Which Shakespeare play was it in which one of the characters mentioned "...should have cauterized that festering sore.."? Was it Marc Antony's funeral speech?

Anyway, that's what Barack Obama would attempt to do to Israel - cauterize it. Burn it out. Or in other words, wipe it off the map. Drive it into the sea.

He cannot, must not be elected President.

34 Charles  5/12/08 5:31:52 pm reply quote 45

The context of the quote doesn't even matter. For him to use the terminology of disease to describe Israel is way beyond the pale, and very reminiscent of classic antisemitism.

35 ackomanyuki  5/12/08 5:32:43 pm reply quote 0

Wednesday is fly your Israeli flag day.

36 JammieWearingFool  5/12/08 5:33:04 pm reply quote 12

There's a reason he comes Hamas-approved.

37 song_and_dance_man  5/12/08 5:33:56 pm reply quote 21

I have said the following here many times in the past and will repeat it again.

The day is coming when the world will look on Israel as the cancer of the world and consider it what ails them. They will think removing this cancer will bring world peace. They are sadly mistaken.

B. Hussein is apparently almost where I suggest- no prophecy - there the policies of the nations will move.

What they fail to realize is Israel is protected by the hand of God and anyone who attempts to destroy her will find they themselves destroyed.

38 Ojoe  5/12/08 5:34:03 pm reply quote 0

re: #34 Charles

Charles can you delete part of a post? I agree with what No. 18 KIWIVIV says, but as it does repeat the deletion, maybe you can blank out the nsaty part and let the rest of his/her comment stand?

39 Milk Toast Intolerant  5/12/08 5:34:52 pm reply quote 1

Terrorists agree: 5 out of 5 Hamas members endorse Barack Hussein Obama.

40 Ojoe  5/12/08 5:35:00 pm reply quote 2

re: #37 song_and_dance_man

Not enough people realize this.

41 kiwiviv  5/12/08 5:35:26 pm reply quote 0

re: #32 EC Marm

sure - I was just offended and pushed the wrong button

42 BulgarWheat  5/12/08 5:35:40 pm reply quote 3

re: #37 song_and_dance_man

As it is written,
so let it be done.........

Folks be messin' with some real bad mojo. The ultimate big stick will be employed.

43 loppyd  5/12/08 5:35:59 pm reply quote 0

re: #36 JammieWearingFool

There's a reason he comes Hamas-approved.

Have you lost your bearings, Jammie?

LOL

44 WrathofG-d  5/12/08 5:36:15 pm reply quote 2

re: #37 song_and_dance_man

The day is coming when the world will look on Israel as the cancer of the world and consider it what ails them. They will think removing this cancer will bring world peace. They are sadly mistaken.

Israel is the Jew among the nations. (maybe its what they get for forgetting they are a Jewish nation)

45 Killian Bundy  5/12/08 5:36:18 pm reply quote 9

The bus is going to need a new suspension soon.

/Israel is a pretty big speed bump

46 WestPack  5/12/08 5:36:51 pm reply quote 3

And what would be the MSM reaction to this statement from McCain or for that matter HRC?

This very brilliant but equally self absorbed man is in no condition to be POTUS.

I'm looking forward for our nation to get through all this, and you know I think we will.

47 BulgarWheat  5/12/08 5:36:59 pm reply quote 0

re: #45 Killian Bundy

Heh! Rotating Title/Bumper Sticker material

48 Ojoe  5/12/08 5:37:56 pm reply quote 2

re: #46 WestPack

I can't wait for this election to be over. Every 4 years I want to join the Trappists.

49 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  5/12/08 5:38:18 pm reply quote 7

The more BHO talks, the worse he sounds

50 ted  5/12/08 5:38:35 pm reply quote 0

MSM will begin reporting this in 5...4...3...2.............

51 ciaospirit  5/12/08 5:38:42 pm reply quote 1

re: #27 Milk Toast Intolerant

He threw his grandma under the bus.
He threw his spiritual mentor of 20 years under the bus.
If elected President, Obama will throw Israel under the bus.

Take that to the bank.

His spiritual mentor threw himself under the bus to save Obama's ass.

52 lawhawk  5/12/08 5:38:59 pm reply quote 20

re: #19 WrathofG-d

The whole quote only makes this a nanometer better - but the use of the specific language of calling Israel's situation a constant wound/sore, suggests that he has no interest in being an honest broker between Israel and the Palestinians.

After all, the ensuing paragraph relates what Israel must do in the form of further concessions. Not one word about Palestinian terrorism or their failure to fulfill their obligations under Oslo. Not one word. It's all about what Israel must do - ridding settlements (let's just forget that this was all supposedly dealt with at Camp David in 2000, and Arafat walked out on Bill Clinton and Ehud Barak without even the common courtesy of a counterproposal - the Palestinians had no interests in peace).

It's a pervasive problem with Obama's campaign, and there's no way he can simply excuse this failing on his underlings - like the dozen or so other times he's blamed his workers for his own policy positions.

He's responsible for those words, and I hope they come back to bite him in a big way.

53 WhiteRasta  5/12/08 5:39:01 pm reply quote 13

re: #37 song_and_dance_man

...."What they fail to realize is Israel is protected by the hand of God and anyone who attempts to destroy her will find they themselves destroyed..."

Interesting point.

History has proven that every civilization that has raised their hand against Israel, has fallen.

Every one of them.

54 BulgarWheat  5/12/08 5:39:50 pm reply quote 3

re: #51 ciaospirit

Can't you just toss yourself under the bus already! This isn't helping Michelle's children!

/

55 Intrepid  5/12/08 5:40:23 pm reply quote 4

Where is the outcry from American Rabbis, I wonder?

56 mikeymom  5/12/08 5:40:24 pm reply quote 0

re: #48 Ojoe

thats the second time you've mentioned the trappists--they fascinate me too! and sorry charles for my rematk--i'm just soo infuriated by this man-and ascared odf what he will do to my beloved USA

57 amphibian  5/12/08 5:40:57 pm reply quote 0

re: #48 Ojoe

I can't wait for this election to be over. Every 4 years I want to join the Trappists.

They do make good beer.

58 Occasional Reader  5/12/08 5:41:18 pm reply quote 0

Ummm, hold up.

He appears to be referring to the "conflict" or whatever you want to call it as a "sore", not Israel itself.

59 Kosh's Shadow  5/12/08 5:41:35 pm reply quote 3

re: #9 Sharmuta

God help Israel if this man becomes POTUS!

G-d will.

60 Ojoe  5/12/08 5:42:25 pm reply quote 0

re: #56 mikeymom

It is a severe monastic order. Silence, and work, and praying, and getting up at 2 am, things like that.

61 ironbill  5/12/08 5:43:10 pm reply quote 9

I'm not Jewish but I have to make this observation.

I am friendly with a couple who are both lib and Jewish, and have discussed politics with them on occasion.

I always want to tell them bluntly, "why are you cutting your own throat?"

Can some of my fellow lizards who are Jewish explain to me what it is that would make a Jew want to hang themselves by supporting these kind of politicians?

It looks to me like suicide with a paid middle-man.

62 song_and_dance_man  5/12/08 5:43:36 pm reply quote 0

re: #44 WrathofG-d


Israel is the Jew among the nations. (maybe its what they get for forgetting they are a Jewish nation)


It is a burden to carry the blessing of God at times.

What is ironic is that blessing was to the nations and they reject it in it's true form. They want the gain but not the responsibility.

63 lawhawk  5/12/08 5:43:49 pm reply quote 22

Further thoughts - this all comes as Israel celebrates its 60th anniversary, and Obama's busy trying to find ways to stifle Israel's growth in territory captured not from Palestinians but from Jordan.

The Palestinians have had ample opportunity to do something with Gaza. Israel hasn't occupied it since 2005's disengagement, and all Hamas and the Palestinians have done is start and sustain a rocket war with no end in sight. They have no intention of peace.

Obama and other Palestinian sympathizers complain about Israel's settlements, but where are the complaints about the thousands of kassams fired at Israel, many with deadly consequences. Nothing about that - nothing about standing with the victims of a longstanding war against their existence.

Palestinians could have chosen to integrate in Jordan, but instead nearly caused a civil war. Palestinians did cause a civil war in Lebanon. And they had a civil war between their own factions that still continues to this day with occasional flareups. They are not a group with whom you can seek peace - they have no interest in it unless Israel is in pieces.

64 galloping granny  5/12/08 5:43:49 pm reply quote 3

re: #53 WhiteRasta

...."What they fail to realize is Israel is protected by the hand of God and anyone who attempts to destroy her will find they themselves destroyed..."

Interesting point.

History has proven that every civilization that has raised their hand against Israel, has fallen.

Every one of them.

Including the British Empire.

65 kenprice  5/12/08 5:43:54 pm reply quote 7

Every time this guy opens his mouth, he manages to put his foot in it. All I can say is "keep talking". If he says enough, we may see a 57 state sweep for McCain in November.

66 mikeymom  5/12/08 5:44:01 pm reply quote 0

re: #60 Ojoe

yes i know--read a bit about them--bless them--shall we reserve a cell next to each other if obama is elected? can i get a hot tub in my romm ya think?

67 Charles  5/12/08 5:44:16 pm reply quote 12

re: #58 Occasional Reader

Ummm, hold up.

He appears to be referring to the "conflict" or whatever you want to call it as a "sore", not Israel itself.

Well, you can interpret it that way, when he starts to ramble and go on about settlements. But the direct question was, "Do you think that Israel is a drag on America’s reputation overseas?"

As lawhawk points out, the full context really doesn't improve it much. And I think it's very telling that he answers such a direct question like that.

68 WhiteRasta  5/12/08 5:44:21 pm reply quote 2

re: #59 Kosh's Shadow

Could he be any worse than Jimmah Cattah?

Dear G-d, don't let us find out.......

69 kiwiviv  5/12/08 5:44:34 pm reply quote 3

re: #61 ironbill

Some of them are Israel-haters just like many on the left in this country are USA-haters

70 Dublin(CA)Dude  5/12/08 5:44:57 pm reply quote 0

What will it take to convince Jewish voters to abandon the Democrat party? Why do so many of them seem to refuse to hear what the Democrats are saying about Israel and terrorist? I'm a staunch supporter of Israel, can any Jewish lizard explain why the American Jewish vote continues to be overwhelmingly Democratic.

71 snowcrash  5/12/08 5:45:10 pm reply quote 0

Tomorrow Obama will want to re-phrase (change) his answer and the MSM will once again give him a pass. It really is just to much to tolerate.

72 Kosh's Shadow  5/12/08 5:45:18 pm reply quote 5

I've sent the link to the article, and the relevant quote, to two Chabad rabbis.
I know one already doesn't like Obama, and will forward this on.
The other sounded like he didn't know how bad Obama is, so I'm hoping this opens his eyes.

At this point, I think I might order some McCain pins. That will piss off the moonbats at work, but this article has convinced me McCain MUST win this November.

73 Naso Tang  5/12/08 5:45:26 pm reply quote 2

Clearly, Obama does not know the difference between a sore and the infection that causes it.

74 amphibian  5/12/08 5:45:32 pm reply quote 2

re: #58 Occasional Reader

Ummm, hold up.

He appears to be referring to the "conflict" or whatever you want to call it as a "sore", not Israel itself.

Quite correct. And then he implies that staying on Israel's side is deforming our foreign policy, and that the solution to this problem would be, ideally, for Israel to stop existing. I read the context before posting, and the context does not make things sound any better.

75 jcm  5/12/08 5:45:39 pm reply quote 0

re: #61 ironbill

I'm not Jewish but I have to make this observation.

I am friendly with a couple who are both lib and Jewish, and have discussed politics with them on occasion.

I always want to tell them bluntly, "why are you cutting your own throat?"

Can some of my fellow lizards who are Jewish explain to me what it is that would make a Jew want to hang themselves by supporting these kind of politicians?

It looks to me like suicide with a paid middle-man.

The Prius I saw the other day with the Obama sticker in Hebrew.

76 eschew_obfuscation  5/12/08 5:45:47 pm reply quote 3
The lack of a resolution to this problem provides an excuse for anti-American militant jihadists to engage in inexcusable actions, and so we have a national-security interest in solving this, and I also believe that Israel has a security interest in solving this because I believe that the status quo is unsustainable.

It seems to me that the status quo has been sustained for 60 years......I wonder what part is "unsustainable"?

77 Killian Bundy  5/12/08 5:45:57 pm reply quote 1

Why Jews Vote the Way They Do

If I am asked one question by my readers far more frequently than any other, it’s why do so many American Jews insist on aligning themselves with the far left. Believe me, being Jewish myself, it’s the question I most frequently ask myself.

It’s certainly not because Jews are stupid, evil, unpatriotic or dependent on government handouts for their survival, four reasons that certainly explain why millions of my fellow Americans will eagerly line up to vote for any political crackpot so long as he or she is running as a Democrat.

/Obama is so obviously dangerous to Israel, maybe this pattern will finally change

78 M. Bensson-Levi  5/12/08 5:46:09 pm reply quote 1

Howdy All,

Oboe references people being "uprooted" and "returning to a land", and I'm sure that he's laying the groundwork for endorsing the "pali" "right of return".

Anyone think that I'm being too much of a cynic here?

79 buzzsawmonkey  5/12/08 5:46:18 pm reply quote 10

re: #19 WrathofG-d

my job in being a friend to Israel is partly to hold up a mirror and tell the truth and say if Israel is building settlements without any regard to the effects that this has on the peace process

Note to Barack Obama: To the Arabs, Tel Aviv is a "settlement." If you are talking in terms of "settlements" you are talking about dismantling Israel entirely.

80 Occasional Reader  5/12/08 5:46:19 pm reply quote 2

re: #34 Charles

The context of the quote doesn't even matter.

Of course it does.

For him to use the terminology of disease to describe Israel

Well, that's the whole question, and that's exactly WHY the context matters: Was he using that language to describe Israel, or to describe the Pali-Israeli conflict? My reading is, the latter.

81 buzzsawmonkey  5/12/08 5:47:11 pm reply quote 4

re: #78 M. Bensson-Levi

Howdy All,

Oboe references people being "uprooted" and "returning to a land", and I'm sure that he's laying the groundwork for endorsing the "pali" "right of return".

Anyone think that I'm being too much of a cynic here?

No.

And frankly, the "Palestinians" have less "right of return" than an old soda bottle.

82 gop_patriot  5/12/08 5:47:16 pm reply quote 0

re: #63 lawhawk

Excellent comment. +1, and favorited. I was going to quote a part, and say "well said", but the entire thing was so good that I couldn't figure out which part was best.

83 serge GoFan  5/12/08 5:47:37 pm reply quote 0

President Obama will be constant sore for America for generations.

84 Killgore Trout  5/12/08 5:47:44 pm reply quote 2

re: #58 Occasional Reader

I tend to agree with you on that. Especially within the context of the whole interview I don't think he's calling Israel a sore.....
I think that the idea of a secure Jewish state is a fundamentally just idea, and a necessary idea, given not only world history but the active existence of anti-Semitism, the potential vulnerability that the Jewish people could still experience. I know that that there are those who would argue that in some ways America has become a safe refuge for the Jewish people, but if you’ve gone through the Holocaust, then that does not offer the same sense of confidence and security as the idea that the Jewish people can take care of themselves no matter what happens. That makes it a fundamentally just idea.

He does criticize the settlements but many Israelis do that too. I don't trust his pro-Israel credentials but I don't think this is that bad.

85 BulgarWheat  5/12/08 5:48:27 pm reply quote 0

re: #83 serge GoFan

The boil on our collective arse that will not go away.

/geez, I hate those things

86 WhiteRasta  5/12/08 5:48:38 pm reply quote 2

re: #64 galloping granny

..."Including the British Empire..."

I rest my case....Them too.

Look at the place formerly known as Great Britain is today..

87 Intrepid  5/12/08 5:48:44 pm reply quote 3

re: #58 Occasional Reader

Ummm, hold up.

He appears to be referring to the "conflict" or whatever you want to call it as a "sore", not Israel itself.

Seems to me he's saying that the lack of resolution of the conflict is the sore, but the reason it exists is because of Israel's actions in building settlements. Nothing at all is said about the possibility that perhaps some of the problem is caused by the Palestinians' constant violence against innocent Israeli citizens. Like those children on the bus Obama talks about. He would point the finger of blame at the parents of the children, and not the ones who blow up the bus.

At least, that's what it looks like to me.

88 Charles  5/12/08 5:48:52 pm reply quote 11

re: #80 Occasional Reader

Well, that's the whole question, and that's exactly WHY the context matters: Was he using that language to describe Israel, or to describe the Pali-Israeli conflict? My reading is, the latter.

I have to disagree. Even if you want to give him the benefit of the doubt here, using that kind of terminology goes way beyond a clumsy misstatement.

89 Ojoe  5/12/08 5:49:32 pm reply quote 0

re: #66 mikeymom

No Hot tubs...

Another lifetime for me, I'm married

90 Alouette  5/12/08 5:49:40 pm reply quote 0

re: #75 jcm

The Prius I saw the other day with the Obama sticker in Hebrew.

Here's another Obama sticker in Hebrew.

91 buzzsawmonkey  5/12/08 5:49:41 pm reply quote 3

It will be interesting to watch Barack eat his waffle on this one.

92 WrathofG-d  5/12/08 5:49:47 pm reply quote 8

re: #52 lawhawk

It was not my intention to clarify or justify Barak's quotes by posting their entirety. I simply wished to give the readers of LGF the entire context. Personally, I agree with you, when you read the entire thing it doesn't make the "soundbite" that much better.

As you pointed out, BO concentrates 100% on what Israel must do, and blames housebuilding instead of Murder. He completely ignores the past attempts at resolving the conflict in the exact manner he now suggests, and assures us that somehow this time HE will be able to make it happen. (just like every other failed POTUS)

I also find it interesting that he distinguishes himself from "the hawkish Jewish community" as if Israel has been "hawkish" as a standard since 1948. This dovetails into the paragraph above, where you see BO ignoring the facts, and working off the failed playbook of "if only I were in charge, then we could just negotiate 'land for peace', we will just ignore Oslo, and Gaza." Beware those who thing Olmert is "hawkish".

He also falls into the common "the status quo is unsustainable" so-the-only-choice-we-have-is-to surrender-to-the-terrorists trap. This again shows that he isn't paying attention, and will repeat the problems/failures of Bush, Clinton, and Bush, and ignore the results of trying this (Gaza, and Oslo). Then he calls the entire Jewish community "War Mongers" (in other words, end of 1st P)

Worst overall is this however:

So that then becomes the question: is settlement policy conducive to relieving that over the long term, or is it just making the situation worse? That’s the question that has to be asked.

No Barak, that is NOT the question to be asked as it was answered with Oslo and with Gaza! We have learned that the response to "occupation" is only a symptom...not the disease. The disease is the Phased Plan and the rejection of Israel's right to exist (see the Zombie Thread)

The dems talk about reviving Bush's policies?: that is exactly what BO wants to do.

93 Alouette  5/12/08 5:50:36 pm reply quote 1

re: #84 Killgore Trout

He does criticize the settlements but many Israelis do that too. I don't trust his pro-Israel credentials but I don't think this is that bad.

The problem is not the settlements, the problem is that the Arabs consider all of Israel a settlement.

But you knew that.

94 ackomanyuki  5/12/08 5:50:59 pm reply quote 2

Israel is going to have to pull the trigger on Syria/Hezbollah/Iran late this year after the US conventions and their getting a new prime minister with some mehashim. There is no way they can risk a major war with Obama at their back. Hussein will never resupply Israel with munitions when they need them. I expect there will be a lot of American ships visiting Haifa this summer to bring in spares before the che'nge becomes a reality.

95 Shay4l  5/12/08 5:51:13 pm reply quote 2

I can't wait to hear his explanation of what he really meant to say, like his Rev Wright speech.

It'll be even BETTER than the Gettysburg Address this time!

96 Ojoe  5/12/08 5:51:39 pm reply quote 1

re: #88 Charles

A person with real kindness in his heart for all people would not have used those words at all, IMHO.

97 buzzsawmonkey  5/12/08 5:51:49 pm reply quote 0

re: #95 Shay4l

I can't wait to hear his explanation of what he really meant to say, like his Rev Wright speech.

It'll be even BETTER than the Gettysburg Address this time!

I'm sure I will feel a thrill run up my leg. Not.

98 WrathofG-d  5/12/08 5:52:17 pm reply quote 1

re: #61 ironbill

Welcome to LGF: here is a primer. Reformists (ie "Reform Jews") are not Jews. They do not believe anything Jewish, don't follow Jewish ritual, and worship Liberalism over Judaism. If Judaism says X is wrong, but liberalism says X is ok...they will swear its ok. They are Jews in name only.

Pretty much same goes for most Conservative Jews. To them Judaism is nothing more than a G-dless Club to Save The World. They do some ritual but don't believe it. Like Reformists, if Judaism says X is wrong but Liberalism says X is good, they will believe it is good.

99 mikeymom  5/12/08 5:52:26 pm reply quote 0

re: #89 Ojoe

so am i --40 yrs--it can be platonic, cant it? after all, we'll be in the robes--dont the trappists also make some great grape jelly?

100 loppyd  5/12/08 5:52:29 pm reply quote 0

re: #95 Shay4l

I can't wait to hear his explanation of what he really meant to say, like his Rev Wright speech.

It'll be even BETTER than the Gettysburg Address this time!

That is assuming he will be questioned at all....

101 Killian Bundy  5/12/08 5:52:38 pm reply quote 4

Like I've said before, I sense that all of Israel's enemies are just rearming and biding their time until after Obama is inaugurated. Then, they'll launch a coordinated "river to the sea" attack on Israel in attempt to wipe her out.

/because they know President Obama won't lift a finger to intervene or otherwise materially support Israel's defense

102 jcm  5/12/08 5:52:51 pm reply quote 0

re: #91 buzzsawmonkey

It will be interesting to watch Barack eat his waffle on this one.

You man the waffle sole on the shoe that is on his foot that is his mouth.

103 Ojoe  5/12/08 5:53:19 pm reply quote 0

re: #99 mikeymom

Well they'll never let me in

104 gop_patriot  5/12/08 5:53:22 pm reply quote 6

re: #67 Charles

And I think it's very telling that he answers such a direct question like that.

I cannot imagine if I were the possible future President of the United States, being asked a question about Israel- and having as my first response a description of something so gross and disgusting as a wound or sore.

Can you imagine the outrage if he had called someplace like Iran a "sore" in an interview about the Middle East? It's just irresponsible and shows a complete lack of good judgment.

105 ciaospirit  5/12/08 5:53:41 pm reply quote 5

re: #58 Occasional Reader

Ummm, hold up.

He appears to be referring to the "conflict" or whatever you want to call it as a "sore", not Israel itself.

Almost the entire world except for the U.S. thinks Israel is the conflict. Obama goes on to say:

The lack of a resolution to this problem provides an excuse for anti-American militant jihadists to engage in inexcusable actions,

Notice how he tries to sell the idea that the "conflict" is what "provides an excuse" for jihadists. He pretends to believe that the excuses will go away once the "conflict" is resolved. Very dangerous, this man is.

106 buzzsawmonkey  5/12/08 5:53:46 pm reply quote 0

Hope! Change!

107 gitarfan  5/12/08 5:53:47 pm reply quote 1

He'll say he misspoke and blame a staffer for giving him the answer sheet for the Muslim American Society.

108 Cognito  5/12/08 5:54:24 pm reply quote -1

I don't like Obama's ideas any more than the next guy. But even a cursory read of the interview shows that he's not calling Israel a constant sore. That's just dishonest, I think.


BO: What I will say is what I’ve said previously. Settlements at this juncture are not helpful. Look, my interest is in solving this problem not only for Israel but for the United States.
JG: Do you think that Israel is a drag on America’s reputation overseas?
BO: No, no, no. But what I think is that this constant wound, that this constant sore, does infect all of our foreign policy. The lack of a resolution to this problem provides an excuse for anti-American militant jihadists to engage in inexcusable actions, and so we have a national-security interest in solving this, and I also believe that Israel has a security interest in solving this because I believe that the status quo is unsustainable.

Clearly he's talking about strife regarding settlements. That's why Israel has -- he thinks, anyway -- a 'security interest in solving this.'

Barack Obama is wrong on so, so many points, in such spectacular fashion, that there's no need to put bad words in his mouth. He's doing a fine job of it himself.

109 buzzsawmonkey  5/12/08 5:54:32 pm reply quote 1

Change we can hope for. Hope we can change as necessary.

110 Spoiled Rotten  5/12/08 5:54:42 pm reply quote 1

I've said all along. Obama will win the nomination but he can't beat McCain. No worries.

111 Charles  5/12/08 5:54:43 pm reply quote 8

re: #105 ciaospirit

Notice how he tries to sell the idea that the "conflict" is what "provides an excuse" for jihadists. He pretends to believe that the excuses will go away once the "conflict" is resolved. Very dangerous, this man is.

And that is exactly the same talking point the jihadis use, by the way.

112 jcm  5/12/08 5:55:03 pm reply quote 2

Israel is a sore to the 57 States....

113 Occasional Reader  5/12/08 5:55:25 pm reply quote 0

re: #88 Charles

Note that Goldberg does not pounce on the quote. Goldberg is on the liberal side of things, but hardly someone who would sit passively by while an interview subject called Israel - itself - a "sore" or "infection.

114 rawmuse  5/12/08 5:55:47 pm reply quote 0

Here is a relevant question:
What importance does the average American voter place on Israel?
I would be surprised if 70 percent could find it on a map.
We at LGF may be in a bubble.

115 Dr. Shalit  5/12/08 5:56:38 pm reply quote 0

Yo OBAMA -

Fear the Fraternity of Freddie's Fashion Mart. We have VERY LONG MEMORIES. That is all.

-S-

116 song_and_dance_man  5/12/08 5:56:43 pm reply quote 0

re: #53 WhiteRasta

...."What they fail to realize is Israel is protected by the hand of God and anyone who attempts to destroy her will find they themselves destroyed..."

Interesting point.

History has proven that every civilization that has raised their hand against Israel, has fallen.

Every one of them.

Every single one of them. The Jew has taken many hits (and I don't mean this lightly as though this one word can encompass the atrocity brought on it at the hand of the jealous and envious) throughout history, but this last time is for them and they will prevail. Guaranteed.

I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse...

B. Hussein seems to be leaning towards the cursers and this doesn't bode well for America if he is elected POTUS.

117 Charles  5/12/08 5:56:43 pm reply quote 5

re: #108 Cognito

No, it's not dishonest. Anyone who wants to read the full statement can click the link that's right there in the post.

I do not believe any of these excuses matter. And the full context, as several people have pointed out (and I agree) does not improve the 'infected sore' statement one bit.

118 M. Bensson-Levi  5/12/08 5:56:49 pm reply quote 2

re: #61 ironbill

I'm not Jewish but I have to make this observation.

I am friendly with a couple who a