Why am I shocked?

The modern democrat party is a constant sore on the American body politic.

Well, no prises for guessing where your sympathies lies.

You are a constant sore as well BHO

This guy can't wait to dine with dictators.

He's gonna need a lot of waffles to avoid questions on that one.

God help us if this man ever becomes POTUS

he was muslim by birth and then changed....

guess his views did not change....maybe his religion really did not either...

How Barak Obama Learned To Love Israel.
/and insiders' view.

re: #6 kiwiviv

God help us if this man ever becomes POTUS

God help Israel if this man becomes POTUS!

If only someone would use that quote in an ad campaign in the NYC metro area. Those who are already on the fence regarding Obama and his commitment to the only steadfast ally the US has in the region are not going to like Obama's anti-Israel tripe.

Let's put him in charge of the country.

re: #9 Sharmuta

H'S doesn't need BHO.

Every unscripted moment pulls the curtain back a little more on this guy.

He's a threat to this nation's existence and to that of our allies.

He'll make Carter look like Lincoln

Ah, just after I comment on the link to ask Charles to spawn off a thread for this, I refresh and here it is. That's service, I tellsya!

Hokay. So now Ears has admitted, in public and on the record, that he expects to bring peace in our time by tossing the Jews to the jihadniks.

When Rev. Hate-Whitey first surfaced, Ears threw Granny under the bus and he was fine. When Rev. H-W popped up again, like a slightly more entertaining jack-in-the-box, Ears threw the good reverend himself under the bus and he was still fine. Now whom will Ears blame? Looks like he's the only one left!

I will bless those that bless.

I will curse those that curse;

I really hope for our sake that Obama does not get elected.

I want to solve the problem, and so my job in being a friend to Israel is partly to hold up a mirror and tell the truth and say if Israel is building settlements without any regard to the effects that this has on the peace process

Gah.

re: #11 mikeymom

Y'know - I always get so mad at the left/progressives who wish ill on others. I would hope that we would not stoop to such wishes in LGF. Hopefully we are above such talk - we can debate and argue without being hateful and crude.

The Whole Quote Care Of; Israel Matzav:

BO: No, no, no. But what I think is that this constant wound, that this constant sore, does infect all of our foreign policy. The lack of a resolution to this problem provides an excuse for anti-American militant jihadists to engage in inexcusable actions, and so we have a national-security interest in solving this, and I also believe that Israel has a security interest in solving this because I believe that the status quo is unsustainable. I am absolutely convinced of that, and some of the tensions that might arise between me and some of the more hawkish elements in the Jewish community in the United States might stem from the fact that I’m not going to blindly adhere to whatever the most hawkish position is just because that’s the safest ground politically.

I want to solve the problem, and so my job in being a friend to Israel is partly to hold up a mirror and tell the truth and say if Israel is building settlements without any regard to the effects that this has on the peace process, then we’re going to be stuck in the same status quo that we’ve been stuck in for decades now, and that won’t lift that existential dread that David Grossman described in your article.

The notion that a vibrant, successful society with incredible economic growth and incredible cultural vitality is still plagued by this notion that this could all end at any moment -- you know, I don’t know what that feels like, but I can use my imagination to understand it. I would not want to raise my children in those circumstances. I want to make sure that the people of Israel, when they kiss their kids and put them on that bus, feel at least no more existential dread than any parent does whenever their kids leave their sight. So that then becomes the question: is settlement policy conducive to relieving that over the long term, or is it just making the situation worse? That’s the question that has to be asked.

re: #14 ironbill

Shit! That's why Carter is so interesting in getting this cur into the office. It'll take the STANK off of his failed term.

Dang, that's cold!

Will someone please give this Commie Canker a dose of penicillin.

Wonder if he got the idea from Wrights Wrants on the Tuskegee Experiments.

re: #18 kiwiviv

as my mentor mandy would say--go piss up a rope!

Hillary: Listen to me!

You're running out of cards.

Play this one

Thank you Charles for deleting #11 - we don't need that stuff in here.

Glad I stayed for a minute.

OBAMA, *YOU* ARE THE ONE WHO IS A SORE AND *YOU* ARE THE ONE WHO WILL FUCK UP THIS NATION'S FOREIGN POLICY IF YOU ARE ELECTED PRESIDENT.

He threw his grandma under the bus.
He threw his spiritual mentor of 20 years under the bus.
If elected President, Obama will throw Israel under the bus.

Take that to the bank.

Sorry.

Friends don't call friends sores.

re: #26 MandyManners

Mandy, Obama hasn't been on this blog since Nodrog left. Everyone understands that.

re: #23 mikeymom

as my mentor mandy would say--go piss up a rope!

Do you REALLY want to talk like that? It seem like Charles didn;t like the comment either. The Grand Lizard is watching you.

provides an excuse for anti-American militant jihadists to engage in inexcusable actions,

A contradiction

re: #18 kiwiviv
Please. If the comment is offensive, just "Reply" to it. Don't include it by hitting "Quote."

Dang - GOTC, maybe you can answer this one.

Which Shakespeare play was it in which one of the characters mentioned "...should have cauterized that festering sore.."? Was it Marc Antony's funeral speech?

Anyway, that's what Barack Obama would attempt to do to Israel - cauterize it. Burn it out. Or in other words, wipe it off the map. Drive it into the sea.

He cannot, must not be elected President.

The context of the quote doesn't even matter. For him to use the terminology of disease to describe Israel is way beyond the pale, and very reminiscent of classic antisemitism.

Wednesday is fly your Israeli flag day.

There's a reason he comes Hamas-approved.

re: #34 Charles

Charles can you delete part of a post? I agree with what No. 18 KIWIVIV says, but as it does repeat the deletion, maybe you can blank out the nsaty part and let the rest of his/her comment stand?

Terrorists agree: 5 out of 5 Hamas members endorse Barack Hussein Obama.

re: #37 song_and_dance_man

Not enough people realize this.

re: #32 EC Marm

sure - I was just offended and pushed the wrong button

re: #37 song_and_dance_man

As it is written,
so let it be done.........

Folks be messin' with some real bad mojo. The ultimate big stick will be employed.

re: #36 JammieWearingFool

There's a reason he comes Hamas-approved.

Have you lost your bearings, Jammie?

LOL

re: #37 song_and_dance_man

The day is coming when the world will look on Israel as the cancer of the world and consider it what ails them. They will think removing this cancer will bring world peace. They are sadly mistaken.

Israel is the Jew among the nations. (maybe its what they get for forgetting they are a Jewish nation)

The bus is going to need a new suspension soon.

/Israel is a pretty big speed bump

And what would be the MSM reaction to this statement from McCain or for that matter HRC?

This very brilliant but equally self absorbed man is in no condition to be POTUS.

I'm looking forward for our nation to get through all this, and you know I think we will.

re: #45 Killian Bundy

Heh! Rotating Title/Bumper Sticker material

re: #46 WestPack

I can't wait for this election to be over. Every 4 years I want to join the Trappists.

The more BHO talks, the worse he sounds

MSM will begin reporting this in 5...4...3...2.............

re: #27 Milk Toast Intolerant

He threw his grandma under the bus.
He threw his spiritual mentor of 20 years under the bus.
If elected President, Obama will throw Israel under the bus.

Take that to the bank.

His spiritual mentor threw himself under the bus to save Obama's ass.

re: #19 WrathofG-d

The whole quote only makes this a nanometer better - but the use of the specific language of calling Israel's situation a constant wound/sore, suggests that he has no interest in being an honest broker between Israel and the Palestinians.

After all, the ensuing paragraph relates what Israel must do in the form of further concessions. Not one word about Palestinian terrorism or their failure to fulfill their obligations under Oslo. Not one word. It's all about what Israel must do - ridding settlements (let's just forget that this was all supposedly dealt with at Camp David in 2000, and Arafat walked out on Bill Clinton and Ehud Barak without even the common courtesy of a counterproposal - the Palestinians had no interests in peace).

It's a pervasive problem with Obama's campaign, and there's no way he can simply excuse this failing on his underlings - like the dozen or so other times he's blamed his workers for his own policy positions.

He's responsible for those words, and I hope they come back to bite him in a big way.

re: #37 song_and_dance_man

...."What they fail to realize is Israel is protected by the hand of God and anyone who attempts to destroy her will find they themselves destroyed..."

Interesting point.

History has proven that every civilization that has raised their hand against Israel, has fallen.

Every one of them.

re: #51 ciaospirit

Can't you just toss yourself under the bus already! This isn't helping Michelle's children!

/

Where is the outcry from American Rabbis, I wonder?

re: #48 Ojoe

thats the second time you've mentioned the trappists--they fascinate me too! and sorry charles for my rematk--i'm just soo infuriated by this man-and ascared odf what he will do to my beloved USA

re: #48 Ojoe

I can't wait for this election to be over. Every 4 years I want to join the Trappists.

They do make good beer.

Ummm, hold up.

He appears to be referring to the "conflict" or whatever you want to call it as a "sore", not Israel itself.

re: #9 Sharmuta

God help Israel if this man becomes POTUS!

G-d will.

re: #56 mikeymom

It is a severe monastic order. Silence, and work, and praying, and getting up at 2 am, things like that.

I'm not Jewish but I have to make this observation.

I am friendly with a couple who are both lib and Jewish, and have discussed politics with them on occasion.

I always want to tell them bluntly, "why are you cutting your own throat?"

Can some of my fellow lizards who are Jewish explain to me what it is that would make a Jew want to hang themselves by supporting these kind of politicians?

It looks to me like suicide with a paid middle-man.

Further thoughts - this all comes as Israel celebrates its 60th anniversary, and Obama's busy trying to find ways to stifle Israel's growth in territory captured not from Palestinians but from Jordan.

The Palestinians have had ample opportunity to do something with Gaza. Israel hasn't occupied it since 2005's disengagement, and all Hamas and the Palestinians have done is start and sustain a rocket war with no end in sight. They have no intention of peace.

Obama and other Palestinian sympathizers complain about Israel's settlements, but where are the complaints about the thousands of kassams fired at Israel, many with deadly consequences. Nothing about that - nothing about standing with the victims of a longstanding war against their existence.

Palestinians could have chosen to integrate in Jordan, but instead nearly caused a civil war. Palestinians did cause a civil war in Lebanon. And they had a civil war between their own factions that still continues to this day with occasional flareups. They are not a group with whom you can seek peace - they have no interest in it unless Israel is in pieces.

re: #53 WhiteRasta

...."What they fail to realize is Israel is protected by the hand of God and anyone who attempts to destroy her will find they themselves destroyed..."

Interesting point.

History has proven that every civilization that has raised their hand against Israel, has fallen.

Every one of them.

Including the British Empire.

Every time this guy opens his mouth, he manages to put his foot in it. All I can say is "keep talking". If he says enough, we may see a 57 state sweep for McCain in November.

re: #60 Ojoe

yes i know--read a bit about them--bless them--shall we reserve a cell next to each other if obama is elected? can i get a hot tub in my romm ya think?

re: #58 Occasional Reader

Ummm, hold up.

He appears to be referring to the "conflict" or whatever you want to call it as a "sore", not Israel itself.

Well, you can interpret it that way, when he starts to ramble and go on about settlements. But the direct question was, "Do you think that Israel is a drag on America’s reputation overseas?"

As lawhawk points out, the full context really doesn't improve it much. And I think it's very telling that he answers such a direct question like that.

re: #59 Kosh's Shadow

Could he be any worse than Jimmah Cattah?

Dear G-d, don't let us find out.......

re: #61 ironbill

Some of them are Israel-haters just like many on the left in this country are USA-haters

What will it take to convince Jewish voters to abandon the Democrat party? Why do so many of them seem to refuse to hear what the Democrats are saying about Israel and terrorist? I'm a staunch supporter of Israel, can any Jewish lizard explain why the American Jewish vote continues to be overwhelmingly Democratic.

Tomorrow Obama will want to re-phrase (change) his answer and the MSM will once again give him a pass. It really is just to much to tolerate.

I've sent the link to the article, and the relevant quote, to two Chabad rabbis.
I know one already doesn't like Obama, and will forward this on.
The other sounded like he didn't know how bad Obama is, so I'm hoping this opens his eyes.

At this point, I think I might order some McCain pins. That will piss off the moonbats at work, but this article has convinced me McCain MUST win this November.

Clearly, Obama does not know the difference between a sore and the infection that causes it.

re: #58 Occasional Reader

Ummm, hold up.

He appears to be referring to the "conflict" or whatever you want to call it as a "sore", not Israel itself.

Quite correct. And then he implies that staying on Israel's side is deforming our foreign policy, and that the solution to this problem would be, ideally, for Israel to stop existing. I read the context before posting, and the context does not make things sound any better.

re: #61 ironbill

I'm not Jewish but I have to make this observation.

I am friendly with a couple who are both lib and Jewish, and have discussed politics with them on occasion.

I always want to tell them bluntly, "why are you cutting your own throat?"

Can some of my fellow lizards who are Jewish explain to me what it is that would make a Jew want to hang themselves by supporting these kind of politicians?

It looks to me like suicide with a paid middle-man.

The Prius I saw the other day with the Obama sticker in Hebrew.

The lack of a resolution to this problem provides an excuse for anti-American militant jihadists to engage in inexcusable actions, and so we have a national-security interest in solving this, and I also believe that Israel has a security interest in solving this because I believe that the status quo is unsustainable.

It seems to me that the status quo has been sustained for 60 years......I wonder what part is "unsustainable"?

Why Jews Vote the Way They Do

If I am asked one question by my readers far more frequently than any other, it’s why do so many American Jews insist on aligning themselves with the far left. Believe me, being Jewish myself, it’s the question I most frequently ask myself.

It’s certainly not because Jews are stupid, evil, unpatriotic or dependent on government handouts for their survival, four reasons that certainly explain why millions of my fellow Americans will eagerly line up to vote for any political crackpot so long as he or she is running as a Democrat.

/Obama is so obviously dangerous to Israel, maybe this pattern will finally change

Howdy All,

Oboe references people being "uprooted" and "returning to a land", and I'm sure that he's laying the groundwork for endorsing the "pali" "right of return".

Anyone think that I'm being too much of a cynic here?

re: #34 Charles

The context of the quote doesn't even matter.

Of course it does.

For him to use the terminology of disease to describe Israel

Well, that's the whole question, and that's exactly WHY the context matters: Was he using that language to describe Israel, or to describe the Pali-Israeli conflict? My reading is, the latter.

re: #63 lawhawk

Excellent comment. +1, and favorited. I was going to quote a part, and say "well said", but the entire thing was so good that I couldn't figure out which part was best.

President Obama will be constant sore for America for generations.

re: #58 Occasional Reader

I tend to agree with you on that. Especially within the context of the whole interview I don't think he's calling Israel a sore.....
I think that the idea of a secure Jewish state is a fundamentally just idea, and a necessary idea, given not only world history but the active existence of anti-Semitism, the potential vulnerability that the Jewish people could still experience. I know that that there are those who would argue that in some ways America has become a safe refuge for the Jewish people, but if you’ve gone through the Holocaust, then that does not offer the same sense of confidence and security as the idea that the Jewish people can take care of themselves no matter what happens. That makes it a fundamentally just idea.

He does criticize the settlements but many Israelis do that too. I don't trust his pro-Israel credentials but I don't think this is that bad.

re: #83 serge GoFan

The boil on our collective arse that will not go away.

/geez, I hate those things

re: #64 galloping granny

..."Including the British Empire..."

I rest my case....Them too.

Look at the place formerly known as Great Britain is today..

re: #58 Occasional Reader

Ummm, hold up.

He appears to be referring to the "conflict" or whatever you want to call it as a "sore", not Israel itself.

Seems to me he's saying that the lack of resolution of the conflict is the sore, but the reason it exists is because of Israel's actions in building settlements. Nothing at all is said about the possibility that perhaps some of the problem is caused by the Palestinians' constant violence against innocent Israeli citizens. Like those children on the bus Obama talks about. He would point the finger of blame at the parents of the children, and not the ones who blow up the bus.

At least, that's what it looks like to me.

re: #80 Occasional Reader

Well, that's the whole question, and that's exactly WHY the context matters: Was he using that language to describe Israel, or to describe the Pali-Israeli conflict? My reading is, the latter.

I have to disagree. Even if you want to give him the benefit of the doubt here, using that kind of terminology goes way beyond a clumsy misstatement.

re: #66 mikeymom

No Hot tubs...

Another lifetime for me, I'm married

re: #75 jcm

The Prius I saw the other day with the Obama sticker in Hebrew.

Here's another Obama sticker in Hebrew.

re: #52 lawhawk

It was not my intention to clarify or justify Barak's quotes by posting their entirety. I simply wished to give the readers of LGF the entire context. Personally, I agree with you, when you read the entire thing it doesn't make the "soundbite" that much better.

As you pointed out, BO concentrates 100% on what Israel must do, and blames housebuilding instead of Murder. He completely ignores the past attempts at resolving the conflict in the exact manner he now suggests, and assures us that somehow this time HE will be able to make it happen. (just like every other failed POTUS)

I also find it interesting that he distinguishes himself from "the hawkish Jewish community" as if Israel has been "hawkish" as a standard since 1948. This dovetails into the paragraph above, where you see BO ignoring the facts, and working off the failed playbook of "if only I were in charge, then we could just negotiate 'land for peace', we will just ignore Oslo, and Gaza." Beware those who thing Olmert is "hawkish".

He also falls into the common "the status quo is unsustainable" so-the-only-choice-we-have-is-to surrender-to-the-terrorists trap. This again shows that he isn't paying attention, and will repeat the problems/failures of Bush, Clinton, and Bush, and ignore the results of trying this (Gaza, and Oslo). Then he calls the entire Jewish community "War Mongers" (in other words, end of 1st P)

Worst overall is this however:

So that then becomes the question: is settlement policy conducive to relieving that over the long term, or is it just making the situation worse? That’s the question that has to be asked.

No Barak, that is NOT the question to be asked as it was answered with Oslo and with Gaza! We have learned that the response to "occupation" is only a symptom...not the disease. The disease is the Phased Plan and the rejection of Israel's right to exist (see the Zombie Thread)

The dems talk about reviving Bush's policies?: that is exactly what BO wants to do.

re: #84 Killgore Trout

He does criticize the settlements but many Israelis do that too. I don't trust his pro-Israel credentials but I don't think this is that bad.

The problem is not the settlements, the problem is that the Arabs consider all of Israel a settlement.

But you knew that.

Israel is going to have to pull the trigger on Syria/Hezbollah/Iran late this year after the US conventions and their getting a new prime minister with some mehashim. There is no way they can risk a major war with Obama at their back. Hussein will never resupply Israel with munitions when they need them. I expect there will be a lot of American ships visiting Haifa this summer to bring in spares before the che'nge becomes a reality.

I can't wait to hear his explanation of what he really meant to say, like his Rev Wright speech.

It'll be even BETTER than the Gettysburg Address this time!

re: #88 Charles

A person with real kindness in his heart for all people would not have used those words at all, IMHO.

re: #61 ironbill

Welcome to LGF: here is a primer. Reformists (ie "Reform Jews") are not Jews. They do not believe anything Jewish, don't follow Jewish ritual, and worship Liberalism over Judaism. If Judaism says X is wrong, but liberalism says X is ok...they will swear its ok. They are Jews in name only.

Pretty much same goes for most Conservative Jews. To them Judaism is nothing more than a G-dless Club to Save The World. They do some ritual but don't believe it. Like Reformists, if Judaism says X is wrong but Liberalism says X is good, they will believe it is good.

re: #89 Ojoe

so am i --40 yrs--it can be platonic, cant it? after all, we'll be in the robes--dont the trappists also make some great grape jelly?

re: #95 Shay4l

I can't wait to hear his explanation of what he really meant to say, like his Rev Wright speech.

It'll be even BETTER than the Gettysburg Address this time!

That is assuming he will be questioned at all....

Like I've said before, I sense that all of Israel's enemies are just rearming and biding their time until after Obama is inaugurated. Then, they'll launch a coordinated "river to the sea" attack on Israel in attempt to wipe her out.

/because they know President Obama won't lift a finger to intervene or otherwise materially support Israel's defense

re: #91 buzzsawmonkey

It will be interesting to watch Barack eat his waffle on this one.

You man the waffle sole on the shoe that is on his foot that is his mouth.

re: #99 mikeymom

Well they'll never let me in

re: #67 Charles

And I think it's very telling that he answers such a direct question like that.

I cannot imagine if I were the possible future President of the United States, being asked a question about Israel- and having as my first response a description of something so gross and disgusting as a wound or sore.

Can you imagine the outrage if he had called someplace like Iran a "sore" in an interview about the Middle East? It's just irresponsible and shows a complete lack of good judgment.

re: #58 Occasional Reader

Ummm, hold up.

He appears to be referring to the "conflict" or whatever you want to call it as a "sore", not Israel itself.

Almost the entire world except for the U.S. thinks Israel is the conflict. Obama goes on to say:

The lack of a resolution to this problem provides an excuse for anti-American militant jihadists to engage in inexcusable actions,

Notice how he tries to sell the idea that the "conflict" is what "provides an excuse" for jihadists. He pretends to believe that the excuses will go away once the "conflict" is resolved. Very dangerous, this man is.

He'll say he misspoke and blame a staffer for giving him the answer sheet for the Muslim American Society.

I don't like Obama's ideas any more than the next guy. But even a cursory read of the interview shows that he's not calling Israel a constant sore. That's just dishonest, I think.

BO: What I will say is what I’ve said previously. Settlements at this juncture are not helpful. Look, my interest is in solving this problem not only for Israel but for the United States.
JG: Do you think that Israel is a drag on America’s reputation overseas?
BO: No, no, no. But what I think is that this constant wound, that this constant sore, does infect all of our foreign policy. The lack of a resolution to this problem provides an excuse for anti-American militant jihadists to engage in inexcusable actions, and so we have a national-security interest in solving this, and I also believe that Israel has a security interest in solving this because I believe that the status quo is unsustainable.

Clearly he's talking about strife regarding settlements. That's why Israel has -- he thinks, anyway -- a 'security interest in solving this.'

Barack Obama is wrong on so, so many points, in such spectacular fashion, that there's no need to put bad words in his mouth. He's doing a fine job of it himself.

I've said all along. Obama will win the nomination but he can't beat McCain. No worries.

re: #105 ciaospirit

Notice how he tries to sell the idea that the "conflict" is what "provides an excuse" for jihadists. He pretends to believe that the excuses will go away once the "conflict" is resolved. Very dangerous, this man is.

And that is exactly the same talking point the jihadis use, by the way.

Israel is a sore to the 57 States....

re: #88 Charles

Note that Goldberg does not pounce on the quote. Goldberg is on the liberal side of things, but hardly someone who would sit passively by while an interview subject called Israel - itself - a "sore" or "infection.

Here is a relevant question:
What importance does the average American voter place on Israel?
I would be surprised if 70 percent could find it on a map.
We at LGF may be in a bubble.

Yo OBAMA -

Fear the Fraternity of Freddie's Fashion Mart. We have VERY LONG MEMORIES. That is all.

-S-

re: #108 Cognito

No, it's not dishonest. Anyone who wants to read the full statement can click the link that's right there in the post.

I do not believe any of these excuses matter. And the full context, as several people have pointed out (and I agree) does not improve the 'infected sore' statement one bit.

re: #61 ironbill

I'm not Jewish but I have to make this observation.

I am friendly with a couple who are both lib and Jewish, and have discussed politics with them on occasion.

I always want to tell them bluntly, "why are you cutting your own throat?"

Can some of my fellow lizards who are Jewish explain to me what it is that would make a Jew want to hang themselves by supporting these kind of politicians?

It looks to me like suicide with a paid middle-man.

There are all sorts of explanations, but in the end, they are all quite unreasonable, and insane. It's beyond understanding.

It's like the Jewish American's strong anti- gun position. There is no people in the history of the world who should more appreciate the need to be armed against violence than the Jew, yet American Jews are, for the most part, vehemently anti gun. This is absolutely beyond the ability of the rational mind to comprehend. Stunning stupidity!

re: #86 WhiteRasta

..."Including the British Empire..."

I rest my case....Them too.

Look at the place formerly known as Great Britain is today..

Oh, oh... If the obamessiah is elected, we're next...

I have read quite a bit of Barry's writing. There is a certain slipperiness in all of it. Intentional vagueness, questions as to who is saying and thinking what, overly long sentences, make for an exceptionally slow read when trying to read for comprehension.

re: #108 Cognito

Clearly he's talking about strife regarding settlements. That's why Israel has -- he thinks, anyway -- a 'security interest in solving this.'

If he thinks "the settlements" are the cause of the problem, he AND YOU fail to understand that the problem existed BEFORE there were "settlements."

By the way, I *do* agree completely with Wrath's analysis... Barry is saying that all the work (i.e., piecemeal surrender) has to be done by Israel, and repeating the ridiculous canard that the "settlements" are the core problem.

But there's quite a rhetorical space between this (which is all too common, alas), and calling Israel a disease.

re: #92 WrathofG-d

As you pointed out, BO concentrates 100% on what Israel must do, and blames housebuilding instead of Murder.

Agreed. that's the real problem with his view of Israel. Has he ever condemned Palestinian terrorism? Like most leftists fools he believes that Israel can somehow negotiate peace with the Palestinians. The Palestinians are not expected to meet any of their obligations. It makes negotiations worthless. Bush is doing the same thing now.

re: #81 buzzsawmonkey

Ditto...to the nth.

re: #98 WrathofG-d

That sounds like my friend's husband's family - their meals are kosher in their home, but when they go out to eat, it's to the $6.99 all-you-can-eat Shrimp buffet.

Is that the same?

re: #101 Killian Bundy

Like I've said before, I sense that all of Israel's enemies are just rearming and biding their time until after Obama is inaugurated. Then, they'll launch a coordinated "river to the sea" attack on Israel in attempt to wipe her out.

/because they know President Obama won't lift a finger to intervene or otherwise materially support Israel's defense

Yup. And I believe that I read not long ago that we are selling the Saudis the planes to do it with.

He wasn't there when he said it.

And if he was there he didn't hear it.

And if he heard it, he thought it meant something else.

And at least he didn't say God Damn Israel.

And what we need is to change....the subject.

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re: #48 Ojoe

I can't wait for this election to be over. Every 4 years I want to join the Trappists.

I'm thinking it's the 3rd secret time ! The church never reveal all the Fatima secret..And Russia is raring it's ugly head again....

Can't we just let him eat his waffle?
/

BO: No, no, no. But what I think is that this constant wound, that this constant sore, does infect all of our foreign policy.

I think the use of the word "infect" is just as bad as "sore"...

re: #98 WrathofG-d

Uh huh. Sorry we ain't all orthodox here. Some of us conservative jews actually like wanna defend our freedoms, our family, our homeland. And not elect dangerously stupid or naive people into positions of power.

Some of us take Tikkun Olam a little too far. Leave the world a better place. But not kill our selves to do it. Or allow others to kill us. Or ever let them get into a position of power to do this.

For a bright group of people, my co-religionists are remarkably stupid. Consistently voting with and for a party that mostly passively seeks our destruction here in the US and abroad.

Maybe it is easier to believe in words than in observed actions. Maybe it is hard to believe that in this day and age, stupidity, anti-semitism, and other mental malfunctions run rampant.

But they do.

And this is why this jew ain't voting democratic no more. No party of Dhimmi Carter. No party of Al Sharpton. No party of the despicable John Conyers and John Dingle.

Don't paint us with a broad stroke ... I know reform jews whom are hawks, and orthodox jews who are anti-zionist.

The truly shocking part of this is that a man so clearly and vociferously anti-Jewish will become the presidential nominee of the Democrat party and that supposedly, 60% of people identifying themselves as Jews are saying they will vote for this Jew hating bigot.

I am not often astonished but I am now. I guess I am starting to feel like the Jews in Nazi Germany that in 1939 finally realized their leader meant what he said.

Where do I take my family now? To Israel?

Obama won't be Prez....I promise. And it ain't a racial thing...it's a waaaay too liberal thing. Why today I listened to McCain go on and on about Global Warming. Why go way left when you can go a little left?

I find it telling that our disagreement on what BHO meant even exists.

Wouldn't a good leader be able to communicate his ideas clearly?

That may not point to the problem being discussed in this thread, but I think it points to another, Bill Clinton-like problem.

re: #92 WrathofG-d

Hear, hear!

re: #130 Killgore Trout

Can't we just let him eat his waffle?
/

Really. He already answered, like eight questions!

re: #122 Occasional Reader

By the way, I *do* agree completely with Wrath's analysis... Barry is saying that all the work (i.e., piecemeal surrender) has to be done by Israel, and repeating the ridiculous canard that the "settlements" are the core problem.

But there's quite a rhetorical space between this (which is all too common, alas), and calling Israel a disease.

OK -- so then he's calling the settlements a disease? Regardless of whether you think the 'sore' comment applied to Israel or to the conflict in general, using those words displays a political tone-deafness that is just amazing.

nothin but AMEN! to say to that,,
re: #16 Ojoe

I will bless those that bless.

I will curse those that curse;

I really hope for our sake that Obama does not get elected.

re: #111 Charles

And that is exactly the same talking point the jihadis use, by the way.

It sure is. Over and over again. Including those "moderates" here in the U.S.

Obama says:

I want to solve the problem, and so my job in being a friend to Israel is partly to hold up a mirror and tell the truth

10-4 Barry, in your opinion; Israel is the problem.

" Dear Jewish Super Delegate :

Hi! It's me Hills, again. Gosh, I am just so darn confused, as I am sure you are too. First my opponent wasn't a muslim, now he was a muslim, but isn't a Muslim. Hmmmm. Bet that gives you some questions, huh? And the guy who made him a christian was that Wright character, who I personally, just me personally mind you, would think is anti-Israel and semetic. Wow, did you see those videotapes of his sermons? If you haven't, I can send you a box load.

So now my opponent, nice guy, but noooooo experience, you know, calls Israel a " sore". Well if that was me I could understand people getting really, really upset, you know? What with his background and the people he hangs out with. I know what I would do. We need a strong pro-Israel nominee.

Well, just writing to say hi and let you know I am still around. If you know, you change your mind.

Love yah,

Hills

P.S. Bill agrees about the "obliterating" Iran thing. Says that Ahmadinejad fella reminds him of some of those impeachment republicans."

So that then becomes the question: is settlement policy conducive to relieving that over the long term, or is it just making the situation worse? That’s the question that has to be asked.

Well, you freaking dumbass, it should be obvious to you that any policy that removes the genocidal arab weapon camouflaged as a 'nation', - the 'palestinians' - to a greater distance from their intended targets is good one.

The tension between that existential need of the Jews, and the arab's religious mandate to destroy Israel and subjugate the Jews IS the core conflict in the middle east.

As a Muslim, I would have thought you know that, Mr. Barak Fucking Hussein Obama.

re: #114 rawmuse

Here is a relevant question:
What importance does the average American voter place on Israel?
I would be surprised if 70 percent could find it on a map.
We at LGF may be in a bubble.

rawmuse, most probably still can't find Florida on a map! Or they're in the same intellectual class as that lovely young South Carolina girl who thinks South Africa and Asia are in desperate need of our US American maps.....

There was something so powerful and compelling for me, maybe because I was a kid who never entirely felt like he was rooted...
Because it speaks to my history of being uprooted, it speaks to the African-American story of exodus...

But his people were from Kenya and Kansas.

re: #115 Dr. Shalit

Reply to self -

AND - YES OBAMA - it is MY overseas Cousin Gilad, purportedly STILL ALIVE, being held by "Hamas" - your overseas cousins are herding Goats in Kenya.

-S-

re: #138 Charles

OK -- so then he's calling the settlements a disease? Regardless of whether you think the 'sore' comment applied to Israel or to the conflict in general, using those words displays a political tone-deafness that is just amazing.

Maybe so. But I think tone-deafness and evil are two disparate things.

It's pretty clear what he meant. The tension over settlements is a drag on international policy. Is Israel? "No, no, no."

Like I said, this dude has plenty of legitimately risible things to say. No need to torque 'em.

re: #90 Alouette

The first one makes me wretch. The second one (transliterated) says, "F*ck Obama."

Very consistent for as man who considers a baby a punishment....

re: #134 Spoiled Rotten

Obama won't be Prez....I promise. And it ain't a racial thing...it's a waaaay too liberal thing. Why today I listened to McCain go on and on about Global Warming. Why go way left when you can go a little left?

I get the Economist from Britian, and you wouldn't believe that while they have decent even coverage of the Presidential race, they are dropping the ball big time on a few issues.

(1) They repeated the "100 years" smear of McCain (dead wrong)
(2) They claim that BO will be bi-partisan in his approach (no proof)
(3) That BO (unlike HRC) will get independants from McCain (on what planet?)

What they miss, as seemingly decent observers, is that BO is so liberal that there CAN'T be that many people in the true "middle" that would buy it. Still BO's camp is crafty, so maybe he pulls it off.

re: #149 Blackacre

The second one (transliterated) says, "F*ck Obama."

I know, I Pshopped it.

re: #147 buzzsawmonkey

"buzz"

"No Reflection?" - ZOMBIES?

-S-

Ya know, he is CORRECT.

I don't know what you guys are so pissed about.
The man said what is true.
If it wasn't for Israel, and our support, then a lot of this shit would not happen to our country.

looks like people want to kill the messenger here.
He'll be the next prez... get over it.

I do support Israel and we should do so in the future as well.

re: #138 Charles

so then he's calling the settlements a disease?

Um... no, he doesn't say that, either. Nor did I claim that he said that.

re: #138 Charles

OK -- so then he's calling the settlements a disease? Regardless of whether you think the 'sore' comment applied to Israel or to the conflict in general, using those words displays a political tone-deafness that is just amazing.

Not really, Charles. Not coming from a man that called his own Grandma, the woman who raised him, a Typical White Person and a racist. Not coming from a man who announced to all and sundry that lower-end American Typical White People are bitter and thus they cling to their guns and religion. Not coming from a man who blames somebody else every single time that he sticks his foot in his mouth.

He IS politically tone-deaf, except when talking to other red diaper babies.

re: #118 M. Bensson-Levi

There are all sorts of explanations, but in the end, they are all quite unreasonable, and insane. It's beyond understanding.

It's like the Jewish American's strong anti- gun position. There is no people in the history of the world who should more appreciate the need to be armed against violence than the Jew, yet American Jews are, for the most part, vehemently anti gun. This is absolutely beyond the ability of the rational mind to comprehend. Stunning stupidity!

Yes, that is the cpre difference between the diaspora Jew and the Israeli.

In large part, this envy of the brazen ballsiness of the Israeli Jew results in feelings of deficiency in the meek but wealthy diaspora American Jew, which facilitates the detachment many diaspora Jews, at least in the US, feel towards Israel.

Interestingly, first generation Jews, of European and Mid Eastern origin (with the exception of the pansy British Jews) do not share this 2nd and 3rd generation American Jewish trait.

Wealth and success makes you soft, I guess.

Just my opinion.

ackomanyuki (#94),

Israel is going to have to pull the trigger on Syria/Hezbollah/Iran late this year after the US conventions and their getting a new prime minister with some mehashim. There is no way they can risk a major war with Obama at their back. Hussein will never resupply Israel with munitions when they need them. I expect there will be a lot of American ships visiting Haifa this summer to bring in spares before the che'nge becomes a reality.

Nice.

Of course he believes Israel has to do all the work. Pretty much the entire DC establishment thinks that way. That is the disadvantage, the burden, of being the sane and rational entity in this Arab/Muslim psychodrama. Nobody expects the Arabs to ever evolve into a genuine, mature culture capable of behaving like a civilized community. They are treated as permanently stunted brats that must be appeased, tricked, and bribed into behaving like fully formed humans.

When you think about it, its really rather insulting and pathetic.

re: #156 webkruzer

I do support Israel and we should do so in the future as well.

Sure you do.

Read the interview. He doesn't understand the Jewish relationship to Israel.

He makes the fundamental mistake where phony supporters of Israel always give away their misunderstanding.

To Jews Israel is not about the Holocaust (only or even mainly).

Israel is about history and nationhood and the cradle of the original home and it's about Judaism.

re: #148 Cognito

Connect the dots, there's lots of them out there.

/Lord Obama is not a friend of Israel

As a public speaker, President Bush using a teleprompter is a nightmare. Off the cuff he's pretty good.

Barack Obama is the opposite. With a teleprompter he's a gifted speaker. Without one, he's a nightmare.

So when is a politician likely to be telling you what he really thinks? When he's reading a speech off a teleprompter?

/just thinking out loud...

re: #156 webkruzer

Ya know, he is CORRECT.

I don't know what you guys are so pissed about.
The man said what is true.
If it wasn't for Israel, and our support, then a lot of this shit would not happen to our country.

looks like people want to kill the messenger here.
He'll be the next prez... get over it.

I do support Israel and we should do so in the future as well.

Israel is just the latest excuse to hate Jews and attack the west. Both started long before 1948.

Quit sucking down the coolaid.

I can understand OR's position that the sore/wound does not relate back to Israel, but to the situation, but this is a matter of being imprecise grammatically.

Even if we break down the exchange, the imprecise nature lends itself to considering that Israel is the sore/wound Obama speaks of. What is the object referred to by Obama. The question JG asks is whether Obama is a drag on America's reputation. Obama responds by saying "this constant wound."

BO: What I will say is what I’ve said previously. Settlements at this juncture are not helpful. Look, my interest is in solving this problem not only for Israel but for the United States.
JG: Do you think that Israel is a drag on America’s reputation overseas?
BO: No, no, no. But what I think is that this constant wound, that this constant sore, does infect all of our foreign policy. The lack of a resolution to this problem provides an excuse for anti-American militant jihadists to engage in inexcusable actions, and so we have a national-security interest in solving this, and I also believe that Israel has a security interest in solving this because I believe that the status quo is unsustainable.

This gets reinforced with successive paragraphs talking not about Palestinian terrorism, incitement, and terrorists anointed as heroes and martyrs for children to follow in their footsteps, but rather settlements, which we've repeatedly seen built and then turned over to 1) Egypt following Camp David; and 2) Gaza's disengagement.

The object of that statement is in direct response to JG's question, and it could easily be (and has been) interpreted as referring to Israel and it's place alongside the US.

Had Obama stopped with No. No. No, Dayenu (it would have been enough) and it would have been the right answer. By tacking on to that response with Palestinian sympathy and odious language, he's going to have to play serious damage control.

To reinforce an earlier point in this post - settlements have never been a barrier to peace. It didn't stop the Camp David Accords - Israel withdrew from Sinai and settlements built there. They withdrew from Gaza and the settlements there.

I figure Israel would again withdraw from areas of the West Bank if there was indeed a partner in peace to turn those territories over to. After all, it's not settlements, but housing. Palestinians could use housing after all. But it's not settlements, but symbolism that is in question here, and Obama continues to use the rhetoric of the Palestinian sympathizer when no such sympathy should be shown.

Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I think when you're asked a direct question about Israel being a "drag on America's reputation," and you immediately answer with, "No, but it's a sore that infects all our foreign policy," you just might be answering that direct question. Despite all the weasel words that follow.

Believe me -- I'm NO Obama supporter, but before you get all spun up over this one quote, read the interview, the whole thing. He's pretty clear in other places that he's a big supporter of Israel. here's one OTHER quote --

You will not see, under my presidency, any slackening in commitment to Israel’s security.

BHO will probably slither his way out of the comment Charles highlighted, not without a bit of a firestorm probably, but read the whole thing. BHO SAYS all the right things about supporting Israel. I know, I know, but you'll say "but this shows how he REALLY feels". Maybe. Just pointing out that he says an awful lot of supportive things and I'm glad I spent 5-10 minutes reading the interview.

(still ain't voting for the snake)

re: #156 webkruzer

Mythical “Palestine” wasn’t invented until 1967.

Read the Qur’an and the Al Qaeda training manual, that should set you straight.

Islam is set to dominate all us infidels, its just not the Jews they hate.

sobammma what do you say to the fact that for close to 2000 years, while the Jews were dispersed fromthe HOME land, the land that is Israel now, was nothing but a dusty desert that no one, least of all the pali's, wanted to live in, the ARAB nations, were no all gung ho to set up a "palistinen state" but the day, and we all know that it is a fact that THE DAY the Isralie state was "created" (as fortold in the Bible no less) the Arab nations conspired to destroy Israel, even attacking the brand new state when it was less than 48 hours old( (if you can find a history book that still teaches it,, look up the--- 6 days war---

no no no barak,, Israel is not the problem,, you and your muslim compatriates, who think that you will usher in the new calaphite and the return of the 12th imman, you are the problem,(obamessiah, do you really believe that JESUS will come back and convert everyone to islam and therefore bring peace to earth?)

come on America, we must not allow this man to become President, his kind of change is one kind we surly do not need

re: #156 webkruzer

Ya know, he is CORRECT.

I don't know what you guys are so pissed about.
The man said what is true.
If it wasn't for Israel, and our support, then a lot of this shit would not happen to our country.

looks like people want to kill the messenger here.
He'll be the next prez... get over it.

I do support Israel and we should do so in the future as well.

Your last line is a bunch of Bullshit.

Simple thought experiment.

How many Jewish settlements remain in Gaza?

And has the withdrawal of those "constant sores" made Gaza a happy, peaceful place?

By the way, why is a Jewish settlement a "sore"? I'm reminded of Raisin in the Sun, the play about a Black family planning to move into a nice house in an area where their neighbors would all be white... and how the white folks sent someone to bribe them not to move in. Is that the kind of "wound" or "sore" that Obama means when he refers to Jews living among Arabs? Is he hearkening back to Jimmy Carter's famous declaration that he didn't ever wish to disturb the "ethnic purity" of various European-American neighborhoods in the USA?

I think that Israel should simply point out that it is in fact the culmination of the Arab dream to bundle all of the Middle East's Jews into the ghetto -- it just happens to be a larger ghetto than the ones they used to keep their Jews in. I think it would be comforting to the Arabs to think of Israel that way -- they don't need to admit to themselves the truth that a sovereign Jewish homeland has accomplished in the same region and under the same (or worse) conditions what their own societies have failed to accomplish in terms of economic self-sufficiency, human rights and quality of life.

re: #167 Killian Bundy

Connect the dots, there's lots of them out there.

/Lord Obama is not a friend of Israel

I didn't say he is.

I'm just saying we -- people who oppose him -- should be correct in criticisms of him. After all, he offers a breathtaking choice of legitimate barbs.

re: #153 brainwizard73

I gave up on the economist years ago. Subbscribed for years before intifada 1.

Good analysis, generally, on technology and science and the financial implications, and good book reviews.

Stunk to the heavens on the Mid East.

Entirely bought in to the homoerotic fascination of old time britishers with Arabs.

In the end, life's too short to read the Economist.

re: #156 webkruzer

If it wasn't for Israel, and our support, then a lot of this shit would not happen to our country

Right, if only we'd throw the Jews to wolves, then everybody would love and respect us.

Asshat.

re: #98 WrathofG-d

The kindest thing that I can say is that you are way out of bounds. I will leave it at that.

re: #172 Charles

Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I think when you're asked a direct question about Israel being a "drag on America's reputation," and you immediately answer with, "No, but it's a sore that infects all our foreign policy," you just might be answering that direct question. Despite all the weasel words that follow.

"Clintonitis"......

Depends on what the meaning of "is" is.

I'm always surprised by my neighbors' signs "Obama"--(was once Kucinich). They visit Israel all the time--their son is there now. Their daughter (who was my student) was there for a year. They have peace signs on their Prius. I do NOT discuss politics with them because I really like them--a lot. So. This brings me to my question: what about the Jews in Germany. Did they support Hitler in the beginning? I'm curious about this parallel--and the fighting spirit of Israel compared to the--well--pussy-footing shall I call it--around Barack Obama.

There is a movie out now, The Counterfeiters, which I haven't seen yet--but intend to--about collaboration and consequences.

re: #156 webkruzer

Support pushing Israel into the sea?

re: #156 webkruzer

I do support Israel and we should do so in the future as well.

With that kind of support Israel won't last.

Just as Europe would be speaking German if we would have given them that kind of support in WWII.

Back handed platitudes piss me off it, was what Obama did and you repeated.

This guy is a nightmare. I'd call him a Manchurian candidate, except that he's more like the ultimate moby. A candidate who tells everyone exactly what he is through his actions and associations, but nobody cares because we need change and he's a good guy.

Honestly, he really needs not to be elected president. It won't be good for his career, which could be very short. And if Israel is thrown under the bus in the meantime, are we to shrug our shoulders and say "oh well"? Unbelievable.

re: #156 webkruzer

Ya know, he is CORRECT.

I don't know what you guys are so pissed about.
The man said what is true.
If it wasn't for Israel, and our support, then a lot of this shit would not happen to our country.

looks like people want to kill the messenger here.
He'll be the next prez... get over it.

I do support Israel and we should do so in the future as well.

You suck. And now you're banned, too.

re: #154 Alouette

I know, I Pshopped it.

Sweet.

re: #173 soccerdad

he's a big supporter of Israel

So he says.

/and yet he hangs with, and is endorsed by, all the world's antisemitic heavy hitters

re: #156 webkruzer

If it's about Israel why is the "shit" happening in the Philippines?

Why are trains bombed in Spain? In London?

Why are Danish cartoonist threatened?

Why do Dutch people get their throat cut in the street?

Why is there a civil war in Lebanon?

Cam we blame your ignorance and bigotry on Israel too.

re: #172 Charles

Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I think when you're asked a direct question about Israel being a "drag on America's reputation," and you immediately answer with, "No, but it's a sore that infects all our foreign policy," you just might be answering that direct question. Despite all the weasel words that follow.

Again, man. You're putting things in quotes that he didn't say. He simply didn't say, "No, but it's a sore that infects all our foreign policy." Full stop. It's not a matter of old-fashionedness.

re: #177 stuiec

It is 1968 in Obama's mind. It will be forever. True, he was a kid, but the politics/sociology of that time are his frame of reference.

re: #173 soccerdad

You will not see, under my presidency, any slackening in commitment to Israel’s security.

So he's promising to carry on the policy of arm-wrenching that's already in place with the current administration. Ain't that just peachy!

re: #156 webkruzer

TO: webkruzer
FROM: Israel

Thank you for your expression of "support". However, we have all of that kind of "support" we can handle right now, what with all the surrounding ME states wanting to push us into the sea.

Shalom,

Israel

i hated him alot less when he was pretending to be a friend of israel.

i'm telling you, if he somehow finagles' his way into the presidency, it won't be long until he denounces his faux-christian faith and redidicates himself as a loyal muslim.

then the real fun starts...

re: #150 buzzsawmonkey

He only needs one more K to really get in the groove.

Too bad he split from Wright. He could have borrowed one from him.

re: #192 Cognito

Again, man. You're putting things in quotes that he didn't say. He simply didn't say, "No, but it's a sore that infects all our foreign policy." Full stop. It's not a matter of old-fashionedness.

Oh, excuse me. He answered, "No, no, no. But what I think is that this constant wound, that this constant sore, does infect all of our foreign policy."

That's much better.

re: #156 webkruzer

If it wasn't for Israel, and our support, then a lot of this shit would not happen to our country.

Guess again, paulian.

re: #118 M. Bensson-Levi

MBL -

Not me - even in my days as a politically active "Lib-Dem," I was for "Gun Rights" and lost votes and endorsements accordingly. To my fellow Jews with US citizenship, I posit that the Talmud as the US Constitution IS NOT A SUICIDE PACT - That is all.

-S-

Samantha Power was the first red flag.

re: #8 WrathofG-d

How Barak Obama Learned To Love Israel.
/and insiders' view.

Money quote:
"Hey, I'm sorry I haven't said more about Palestine right now, but we are in a tough primary race. I'm hoping when things calm down I can be more up front." He referred to my [Ali Abunimah's] activism, including columns I was contributing to the The Chicago Tribune critical of Israeli and US policy, "Keep up the good work!"

I also don't think Obama is breathtakingly stupid enough to call Israel a "sore" or "disease" in an on-the-record interview, whether he believes it or not.

re: #177 stuiec

the Arab dream to bundle all of the Middle East's Jews into the ghetto

Actually that's not the Arab dream, the Arab dream is to EXTERMINATE all the Jews in the Middle East.

The lack of a resolution to this problem provides an excuse for anti-American militant jihadists to engage in inexcusable actions, ...

Obama rates a double-plus-good in Gramscian/Orwellian hooplewankey/double-think.

re: #98 WrathofG-d

I have to strenuously disagree with you on that - as a conservative Jew.

re: #195 Intrepid

How about an engraved invite to serve as the American consulate in Gaza City. I hear the office space is a real sh**hole.

No, seriously, it probably is.

Salman Rushdie writes a book criticizing Mohammed and gets a fatwa calling for his death.

Ibn Warraq leaves Islam and gets a fatwa.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali leaves Islam and gets a fatwa.

Barack Obama leaves Islam and gets the worldwide adulation of Muslims.

And now calls Israel a constant sore that infects.

Obama is a quasi-Muslim.

re: #156 webkruzer

and you're a fucking asshole.

I'm starting to wonder if I'm a bit nutty, here, because I can't read this any way except as a discussion about strife regarding the settlements:

JG: If you become President, will you denounce settlements publicly?
BO: What I will say is what I’ve said previously. Settlements at this juncture are not helpful. Look, my interest is in solving this problem not only for Israel but for the United States.
JG: Do you think that Israel is a drag on America’s reputation overseas?
BO: No, no, no. But what I think is that this constant wound, that this constant sore, does infect all of our foreign policy. The lack of a resolution to this problem provides an excuse for anti-American militant jihadists to engage in inexcusable actions, and so we have a national-security interest in solving this, and I also believe that Israel has a security interest in solving this because I believe that the status quo is unsustainable.

Am I going crazy, here?

Far be it for me to disagree with Charles on anything, especially regarding Omama, excuse me, Obama.

But as a writer, I know when I say or write something that needs rephrasing, and I can see when it happens to others when they speak off the cuff. It's the risk anyone takes when being recorded without looking at a teleprompter.

I tend to feel sorry for people who just plain flub their lines.

So I'll let Barry have this one. If he meant "the middle east conflict," it was a reasonable thing to say.

I prefer to pick on the deliberate lies and contradictions.

Forgive me, Charles.

re: #204 Occasional Reader

I also don't think Obama is breathtakingly stupid enough to call Israel a "sore" or "disease" in an on-the-record interview, whether he believes it or not.

Don't look now, but he did.

Sucks to be an antisemite!

Let's call it like it is. No one can sit in the pews at Jerry Wright's church for two decades and not absorb, if not already concur with, Jerry's virulent anti-Zionism, antisemitism, and anti Americanism.

Hell, the Pinball Wizard would have figured out what Wright was all about within a couple of months! Oboe knew, condoned, and by willingly steeping his children in it, endorsed this venomous world view.

At the root, there is nothing good about Obama, and the more he speaks, the more obvious this becomes.

re: #173 soccerdad

You will not see, under my presidency, any slackening in commitment to Israel’s security.

Any slackening from what exactly? I have not seen any support for Israel from the USA in a solid two years - not since the Lebanon war. If "American support" keeps up at the current level, then Israelis better start buying up every lifeboat they can lay hands on.

Another fake soldier as spokesman for the Leftys?

MoveOn.org sponsored a contest for the best 20-second pro-Barack Obama TV commercial. The winner, according to the Associated Press's article, "MoveOn ad features pro-Obama Republican," was an ad starring Air Force veteran John Weiler. The spot includes Mr. Weiler, whose military service is to be commended, saying "I've been a Republican since before I could actually vote." Not only that: "I'm a lifelong Republican and I'm voting for Barack Obama."

"He served in the Air Force from 1983 to 1989, leaving the service as a master sergeant," according to the AP. Is that not amazing? The Air Force Enlisted Promotions Fact Sheet shows promotion to Master Sergeant (E-7) requires eight years in the service. According to Military.com, "The average service wide active duty time for advancement to the rank of Master Sergeant is 17.06 years."

Any military personnel who can check this joker out?

re: #213 Mardukhai

I forgive you. I just disagree. There's too much other information out there about Obama for me to give him a pass on this.

re: #211 kirche

kruzing over to NAMBLA...

Seems to me, that Obama's chickensssssss...are coming home.....to rooooooooost!

re: #212 Cognito

I'm starting to wonder if I'm a bit nutty, here, because I can't read this any way except as a discussion about strife regarding the settlements:

Am I going crazy, here?

The strife is not about the settlements.
The strife was going on before the settlements.
The settlements are just an excuse to continue the strife.

re: #172 Charles

Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I think when you're asked a direct question about Israel being a "drag on America's reputation," and you immediately answer with, "No, but it's a sore that infects all our foreign policy," you just might be answering that direct question. Despite all the weasel words that follow.

My initial reading was that he meant that the "nakba" was the perpetual wound, which of course is the politically correct way of stating that the founding of the State of Israel caused a wound of injustice that festers to this day.

Then he went on about the settlements -- one wonders why settlements (people living in houses) are open sores, but the actual wounds of the maimed and the dead from Palestinian terror attacks don't qualify as a lingering issue to be addressed, even in the context of preventing more of them.

The notion that the way to eliminate the "existential threat to Israeli children" is for Israel to dismantle settlements, as opposed to, oh, maybe having the Palestinians simply stop murdering Israeli civilians, is itself another clue to the nature of Obama's support for Israel's security. He's totally committed to Israel's security -- an unshakeable commitment -- and thus will work tirelessly to force the Israelis to stop making the Palestininans kill them. (Sort of like when I was little and my sister grabbed my wrist and forced me to slap myself, taunting me: "Stop hitting yourself! Stop hitting yourself!")

re: #213 Mardukhai

Wait, given Obama's shots at McCain about "losing his bearings" why should he get a pass? Even if he made a simple goof, doesn't his flaying of McCain mean the sharp knives come out?

re: #190 Opinionated

Amen.

re: #177 stuiec

stuiec -

Give the Arab credit - He would never try to buy off the Jewish "Settler" - he would be Taqquiya enough to take his money and honest enough to try and kill him off AFTERWARDS.

-S-

re: #24 ironbill

Hillary: Listen to me!
You're running out of cards.
Play this one

NOW THERE IS SOLID GOOD ADVICE FOR MS. CLINTON.
BRUCE :)

re: #223 Alouette

The strife is not about the settlements.
The strife was going on before the settlements.
The settlements are just an excuse to continue the strife.

Yes, yes, yes. I know all that. I'm not supporting Obama's case, here. I'm saying we're criticizing him for saying something he didn't really say, as far as I can tell.

Let's criticize his ideas about settlements all day long -- because I do believe that's what he's referring to, here.

From the context of the article, it looks like he means the Israeli-Arab conflict rather than Israel itself, but wow, what a poor choice of words for such a "gifted" orator.

Whether that's what he meant or not, that's how it'll be spun. If it's spun at all; more than likely the MSM will just keep this under wraps.

re: #172 Charles

Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I think when you're asked a direct question about Israel being a "drag on America's reputation," and you immediately answer with, "No, but it's a sore that infects all our foreign policy," you just might be answering that direct question. Despite all the weasel words that follow.

Yes you are, it seems to me that weasel words are all that count anymore, I cant believe all the folks that say BHO speaks so well, I guess they never heard President Reagan speak, he did not use weasel words, his speeches really had a meaning, not just a group of buzz words all lumped together.

re: #214 Yankee Division Son

Don't look now, but he did.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. I don't read the interview that way. And I think the Obama campaign will have a laughably easy time knocking this down if it becomes an issue. In fact... they'd probably be happy to focus on the "he didn't call Israel a sore" point, because it lets them slide away from the substantive problems with what he DID say.

My two cents.

The settlements are the most accute reminder to the Muslims that the once weak dhimmi Jews, who they hate more than they love their children, the formerly landless Jews are settling their historic land. It drives them crazy that a Jew dare build another home in their ancestral land. That's why the settlements are a 'problem', because they make the Jew-haters go out of their minds. This no settlement, no problem bullshit is baloney as evidenced by Gaza. No more settlements, now they use Gaza as a base.

re: #210 indythinker

Salman Rushdie writes a book criticizing Mohammed and gets a fatwa calling for his death.

Ibn Warraq leaves Islam and gets a fatwa.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali leaves Islam and gets a fatwa.

Barack Obama leaves Islam and gets the worldwide adulation of Muslims.

That's the important point, not whether he flubbed his lines.

re: #219 Geepers

Another fake soldier as spokesman for the Leftys?

Any military personnel who can check this joker out?

Geepers, if the guy had claimed to make E7 in that time two decades earlier during Vietnam I might have bought that - hubby made E6 in less than two - but not in the 80's. During that time the services were shrinking hand over fist and there were wholesale base closures.

re: #98 WrathofG-d

I disagree with you as well, on this.

Are you certain you don't want to be on the same side of the line as I am?

TWO RABBI'S
THREE OPINIONS,
R

re: #61 ironbill

You put a burden on the Jews that you don't see is everywhere.

It would seem irrational for a Jew to support Obama but is it any more rational for a Catholic or Protestant? Yet you find Obama's support is ecumenical and crosses most groups.

Jews are not exempted, they can fall for false charismatic charlatans as quick as their non Jewish neighbors.

yeah, History has shown, or like someone else already said,
so it is written, so it is done!

one of these times, "his-story, says that Israel wil heat her homes for seven years off the destroyed weapons and oil from those who rise against her, wonder if we will see that?
re: #53 WhiteRasta

...."What they fail to realize is Israel is protected by the hand of God and anyone who attempts to destroy her will find they themselves destroyed..."

Interesting point.

History has proven that every civilization that has raised their hand against Israel, has fallen.

Every one of them.

re: #207 lawhawk

I don;t know.

I come form an orthodox background, but am not religious.

When I do go, I prefer orthodox ritual.

Conservative seems 'lazy', or 'easy'. Not as lazy or easy as reform, but certainly on the leisure continuum.

Not really important, if your heart's in the right place, and I know yours is.

But if you plotted dedication to Isarel against a continuum of reform, conservative, orthodox, and ultraorthodox, you would have an exponential upswing when you got to orthodox (leaving the fringe ultraorthodox satmars and neturei out of it).

It's telling, isn't it?

re: #230 BeckoningChasm

From the context of the article, it looks like he means the Israeli-Arab conflict rather than Israel itself, but wow, what a poor choice of words for such a "gifted" orator.

Indeed, it does appear that Obama is referring to the overall conflict. But still i hope he gets creamed for this...

re: #110 Spoiled Rotten

I've said all along. Obama will win the nomination but he can't beat McCain. No worries.

It's looking as though that will be the case. Each time he, his wife, or FOB (Friends of Barack) open their mouths, the camel's back gets another straw.

how far removed from a "stinking corpse" is a "constant sore", anyway?

once obama switches over to full muslim mode, he'll point back to these comments to demonstrate how in sync he was with ahmadinejad's evil choice of words...

he CHOSE these words for future use, i say.

re: #201 buzzsawmonkey

Double, triple, quadruple updings for making the analogy to "A Raisin in the Sun"--a play based in Chicago about a black family trying to better itself.

Thanks.

Apparently it's easy to understand that a Black family ought to have a right to live anywhere it can afford to, that there's no such thing as "White" land -- not in the USA, not anymore.

But of course, the same people who see that clearly are all too quick to condemn Jews for settling on "Arab" or "Muslim" land. They think nothing of the Palestinian policy, left over from the Jordanian occupation, of applying the death penalty to any Palestinian who sells "Arab" land to a Jew.

And they publish books accusing Israel of apartheid policies. Weird.

Bob Beckel has become a real asshole.
I used to think he was a decent guy.

re: #231 DownRightMeanAmerican

"DRMA" -

Could you ever Imagine BHO saying something to the Iranian Mullahs and their STOOGE "I'm In The Mood For Jihad" like "Mr. Gorbachev - TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!" Didn't think so.

-S-

re: #212 Cognito

I'm starting to wonder if I'm a bit nutty, here, because I can't read this any way except as a discussion about strife regarding the settlements:

Am I going crazy, here?

Cognito, Islam will attack no matter how you take those words. The area euphemistically called Palestine is a ghetto created by arab nations that didn't want those people and wanted to make life for Israel as uncomfortable as possible. Barack presumes that Israel should abandon all settlements as though that would make any difference in the international war against radical islamist terrorism. It won't.

The true solution is to empty the palis from those unflagged territories, and give it instead to the one country that can prevent them from becoming a perpetual sewer swamp of ethic cleansing and racial and religious hatred.

That sore BO speaks about are his own pus-filled brain cells.

Everything no one ever needed to know about Cognito's MO
but was too bored to ask

Start at #178

/Most gleeking vexation
multitudinously murmuring hooplebabble

WLGF out

Read the post title and balked out loud. Woke up my dog. WHAT?

Oh, please Obamamama please keep talking.

McCains "100 years in Iraq" has become a weapon for Democrats. Let us hope the same for Obama and this statement.

Since Obama will sit down unconditionally with our worst, most vile enemies, will he extend the same courtesy to Israel.

I won't hold my breath.

re: #245 DesertSage

Bob Beckel has become a real asshole.
I used to think he was a decent guy.

He created Super Delegates (at least he helped).....just one more of those "count every vote" kinda guys...

Let's face facts Barry is already a captive of the Zbignew-Carter foreign policy mentality, which is if you lean on Israel on the "settlements" you will move forward on a nice fake peace that you believe will guarantee your Saudi oil shipments.

Defects in this thought process are :

1) The "settlements" were originally created for Israeli security. No Palestinian facts on the ground, i.e. real desire for peace, have ever existed meaning they could or should be dismantled. They are still against Israel's very existence Barry.

2) Saudis need Israel as a military counterweight to Iran more than ever. Saudis realize they can't buy off a ideological enemy like Iran, whose President is apocalyptic, believed he gave off an aura at the U.N., and thinks he is following the wishes of a mahdi he believes is living down a well.

Barry is going to cause the Israelis to attack, maybe even nuke, the Iranian nuclear sites because they will not wish to put Israel's national security in the hands of a Jimmy Carter-like putz.

I am aghast that he's saying this to a man named GOLDBERG.

Lot O apologizing going on round here tonight.

re: #237 buzzsawmonkey

We're criticizing him for focusing on the settlements.

We're criticizing him for focusing on Israel without mentioning the Arabs.

We're criticizing him for using language that is itself indicative of an ugly attitude.

Mmm... okay. But it does look an awful lot like people seem to think he called Israel "a sore," when that's not the case.

Honestly I wish I knew more about the settlements. I've spent a little time in the area and I still don't have a good handle on the rightness or wrongness of some -- some -- settlements; I tend to come down pro-Israeli on almost every issue, but I do expect fallibility from any human construct, and I do know there's been some pretty rough treatment on both sides, in some places.

I think I need to find some good books about the issue...

re: #160 Maine's Michael

Wealth and success makes you soft, I guess.

I agree, but there's more to it than wealth. There's a core rottenness, a weakness of the soul, and spirit. A sense of shame about being a Jew. A deep, nauseating sickness.

They make me sick, anyway. Good thing that some of us are knuckle dragging unsophisticated brutes...keeps us all from having a bad name.

re: #255 Reno911

Lot O apologizing going on round here tonight.

I'm sorry.

.."this constant sore, does infect all of our foreign policy.".

Yes, because we all know that Israel (oh, I'm sorry, Messiah really meant the Israeli-Arab conflict) is the cause of:

China's aggression towards Tibet and Taiwan.
Russia's more aggressive stance toward the West.
Al-Quida killing innocent Iraqis.
Iran wanting nukes to destroy "The Great Satan", ect, ect.

Thanks for that one-size-fits-all garbage explanation of the US's foreign policy problems, Messiah!

/What do people see in that man?

"guarantees of security"

Ah, buzz.....did that hit my stomach hard! --direct description of the endings, just before the throwing of Israel under the bus.....

galloping granny (#235),

Another fake soldier as spokesman for the Leftys?

Any military personnel who can check this joker out?

Geepers, if the guy had claimed to make E7 in that time two decades earlier during Vietnam I might have bought that - hubby made E6 in less than two - but not in the 80's. During that time the services were shrinking hand over fist and there were wholesale base closures.

My thoughts too. Something really doesn't add up here.

Somehow I am not surprised. This is the logical conclusion of the democratic parties leftist marxist politics.

re: #187 Charles

I up dinged him by mistake, sorry. them dang buttons are close together...

Another reason he'll never see the inside of The White House.

re: #250 snowcrash

Fat chance - the "Driveby Media" (thanks Rush!) gets tingles up their legs regarding Messiah, thus this won't get much play there.

re: #265 BaruchAdam

We can all hope...

Hey, I'm sure Obama wasn't in the room when he said that, and this is not the Obama he thinks he's known for the last twenty years.

Anyway, you know those Israelis, clinging to their religion and guns and stuff, and afraid of people not like themselves.

Well, guys, I have some final exams to grade before I get my week off and start the summer term. Just one thing: Keep up drums beating because this guy (Obama) is either dangerously naive or just bloody dangerous. Make that all caps. Bill Ayers for Secretary of State, right?

It's freezing here (Philly). Global Warming. Are we there yet?

Goldberg was born in Brooklyn, New York and raised in Malverne, New York.[2] He attended the University of Pennsylvania, where he was editor-in-chief of The Daily Pennsylvanian.[3] He left college to move to Israel[4], where he served in the Israeli Defense Forces as a prison guard during the First Intifada.[5] He later returned to the United States to continue his journalism career, and now lives in Washington, D.C. with his wife and three children.[6]

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re: #271 katemaclaren