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Obama: 'I Have Never Said I Would Negotiate with Terrorists'

Fri, May 16, 2008 at 9:31:59 am PDT

Barack Obama just said in a speech being broadcast on Fox News: “I have never said I would negotiate with terrorists.”

From his official campaign web site:

Diplomacy: Obama is the only major candidate who supports tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions. Now is the time to pressure Iran directly to change their troubling behavior.

It’s a simple, undeniable fact that Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism. Obama says very clearly that he’s going to negotiate with them, and somehow convince them to “change their troubling behavior.” (Good luck with that.) And yet, he stands there and denies it with a straight face.

He’s now blatantly lying, even when it’s a simple matter to fact check him. He’s getting complacent about his teflon coating.

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1 jcm  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:32:54am

Hair splitting with a spin.

2 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:33:05am
Obama says very clearly that he’s going to negotiate with them

Sure, but he'll do it toughly.

Don't you feel better?

3 The Other Les  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:33:15am

Teflon can peel off.

4 loppyd  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:33:44am

That quote may miraculously disappear from his website today.

5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:33:50am

Actions speak louder than words. He already has been preparing negoitiations with terrorists (Hamas, FARC)

6 The Other Les  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:34:12am

I want to know who's pulling his strings.

7 loppyd  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:34:26am

seems like he's always got lots of 'splainin to do....

8 jcm  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:34:30am

I won't negotiate!
I plan on kissing Dinnerjacket's waffle from the start.
/B. Hussein.

9 little boomer  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:34:44am

That picture in his website make him look like he's in heaven.

10 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:35:07am
11 jcm  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:35:10am

re: #9 little boomer

That picture in his website make him look like he's in heaven.

Obamessiah!

12 Truck Monkey  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:36:06am

I don't think that it is teflon that The Obammessiah is coated with.

He is unelectable. In a year where the Dhimmicraps should wipe the floor with the repubs they (the Dhimmicraps) have found a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

13 Da Coyote  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:36:12am

Howz about placing his present and past statements side by side (in a non-animated version of your classic Rather killer memo comparison)? I just love watching libs make asses of themselves.

14 loppyd  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:36:13am

Bush hit a nerve.

That's for sure.

Off to deal with nutty client.

BBL

15 Charles  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:36:57am

Democratic spinner now on Fox: Obama's gonna tell Iran, "you can't have nuclear weapons."

Oooh. That's gonna really make em quake in their robes.

16 JammieWearingFool  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:37:04am

Facts are incovenient.

17 galloping granny  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:37:11am

Yesterday someone of Fox interviewed his "foreign policy expert" Susan Rice. She asked Rice three times if Obama would talk to Ahmadenijab and never got a straight yes or no. Instead, she got a blow off, none of your business answer about speaking with the correct people at the correct time with the correct preparation. In other words, Obama will talk to whomever he damned well pleases and if we question that, we are being "devisive."

Barrack Hussein Obama had best wise up to the fact that WE are interviewing him for the job. He is not interviewing US.

18 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:37:27am

Sound kind of similar to Kerry's: I voted for it, before I voted against it. Ahh - video tape. :)

19 wwhsv  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:37:36am

"I want a civil campaign, but if these lying, fear-mongering, selfish, hypocritical Republicans ..."

nice

20 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:37:39am

re: #15 Charles

Democratic spinner now on Fax: Obama's gonna tell Iran, "you can't have nuclear weapons."

Oooh. That's gonna really make em quake in their robes.

Hey- great idea. Works for me. OK we can all go home.

21 mean Gene  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:37:40am

So, diplomacy without negotiation.
What is that?

22 Sharmuta  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:37:44am

“I have never said I would negotiate with terrorists.”

UH- ok-aaay.... But you do understand their endorsement.

23 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:37:50am
24 galloping granny  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:37:59am

re: #4 loppyd

That quote may miraculously disappear from his website today.

Doesn't matter. That one has already been saved on multiple computers and was shown of Fox yesterday. Several times.

25 sattv4u2  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:38:06am

re: #15 Charles

Democratic spinner now on Fax: Obama's gonna tell Iran, "you can't have nuclear weapons.,,,, but you CAN get rid of Israel and I as Pres won't interfere"

Oooh. That's gonna really make em quake in their robes.

I kinda feel bad fixin Charles !

26 The Other Les  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:38:26am

re: #14 loppyd

Bush hit a nerve.

That's for sure.

Off to deal with nutty client.

BBL

Truth always does that. That's why they want to bring back the fairness doctrine.

27 Ojoe  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:38:34am

Well Obama is quite the politician, how far could public opinion push him?

Very far as long as he is still a candidate, it seems.

28 Athos  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:38:41am

Of course he's lying.

This is a play to solidify the hard left and attempt to leverage the low approval ratings of Bush by playing out the 'insult' and linking it to McCain.

Talking heads will spout off about this, the Dem leaders will spout off about this and embrace the same failed strategies that directly led to 9/11, and the majority of American people will look at all of this and do the same thing they did in 2004....decide to err on the side of obtaining peace via strength not via 'talks' or 'economic sanctions' that do not deter fanatical police states.

29 freedomplow  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:39:06am

I'll have to watch it again, approximately 4 lies in ten minutes.

1. Gates urges more nongovernment contacts with Iran

30 Athos  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:39:35am

re: #17 galloping granny

Yesterday someone of Fox interviewed his "foreign policy expert" Susan Rice. She asked Rice three times if Obama would talk to Ahmadenijab and never got a straight yes or no. Instead, she got a blow off, none of your business answer about speaking with the correct people at the correct time with the correct preparation. In other words, Obama will talk to whomever he damned well pleases and if we question that, we are being "devisive."

Barrack Hussein Obama had best wise up to the fact that WE are interviewing him for the job. He is not interviewing US.

"Let me eat my waffle."

"I answered 8 questions, that's enough"

31 paxnhymn  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:39:40am

poor dumbass hussein. here. I gotta help him:

Negotiate

verb.1. to deal or bargain with another or others, as in the preparation of a treaty or contract or in preliminaries to a business deal.

direct presidential diplomacy

sam-same, pal! I wouldv'e thought at that Ivy League school you'd have at least learned how to peruse a dictionary....

32 The Other Les  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:39:43am

re: #19 wwhsv

"I want a civil campaign, but if these lying, fear-mongering, selfish, hypocritical Republicans ..."

nice

In short. Shut up.

33 JammieWearingFool  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:39:52am

re: #15 Charles

Democratic spinner now on Fax: Obama's gonna tell Iran, "you can't have nuclear weapons."

Oooh. That's gonna really make em quake in their robes.

So in other words, he agrees with Bush now?

34 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:39:58am

re: #29 freedomplow

I'll have to watch it again, approximately 4 lies in ten minutes.

1. Gates urges more nongovernment contacts with Iran

Well one of daddy Bush's guys.

35 Iron Fist  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:40:20am

re: #12 Truck Monkey,

Well, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory is what they did in Viet Nam. It's what they want to do in Iraq. Let's hope they do it in the Presidential election instead.

36 Sharmuta  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:40:36am

re: #19 wwhsv

"I want a civil campaign, but if these lying, fear-mongering, selfish, hypocritical Republicans ..."

nice

I believe that's called "projection".

37 Dianna  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:41:20am

Why is this man a candidate?

38 paxnhymn  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:41:28am

re: #15 Charles

Democratic spinner now on Fox: Obama's gonna tell Iran, "you can't have nuclear weapons."

Oooh. That's gonna really make em quake in their robes.

that's like the unarmed security guard at Walmart...

"stop! Or I'll...(scratches head) say stop again!"

:-D

39 bulwrk  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:41:33am

re: #21 mean Gene

So, diplomacy without negotiation.
What is that?

war

40 Jonn Lilyea  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:41:41am

The hit dog yelps first. He's been saying since the beginning that he'll talk with anyone who has a beef with the US. He's even hinted that because of his heritage, terrorists will be willing to talk to him. And Hamas jumped on that bus with him. I guess he figures we forgot all that stuff that he said before Wright.

41 Athos  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:41:46am

re: #30 Athos

adding the /sarc tag.

Obama and his handlers know his policies are a non-starter with mainstream America. That's why its to their advantage to keep things as vague as possible. Although with his willingness to openly lie, and the cover that gets from the MSM, why bother. Answer the questions then deny when called on the carpet for the wrong answers.

42 seekeroftruth  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:41:52am

Wow. He's not even subtle about his lying.
Wonder if he even knows what the truth is anymore since he lies freely and often.......

43 Kenneth  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:41:58am

Obama to Ahmadinejad,

"Mahmoud, you had me at apostate!"

44 Da Coyote  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:42:00am

With respect to the Obamaloon being "unlectable", let us not forget that McKennedy is doing a fine job of alienating his entire base. I personally think he's only slightly less dense than Obama. Folks, our potential nominee is a dork. Perhaps the Repubs can regain some semblance of sense and nominate someone that we can support.

45 ContraJihadi  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:42:00am

It will be a vast, bitter storm of resentment that will roar across the whole nation when the millions who are now bedazzled by Obama's hypnotic spell finally snap out of it.

46 JohnnyReb  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:42:03am

Obama must really really hate the internet. Sucks to be him.

The MSM is dead it just doesn't know it yet, give it about 5-10 more years to go *poof*

47 The Other Les  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:42:05am

re: #36 Sharmuta

I believe that's called "projection".

They don't want to believe that anyone could be better than them.

48 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:42:13am
Obama's gonna tell Iran, "you can't have nuclear weapons."

Now why didn't Bush think of that?

49 freedomplow  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:42:32am
50 The Other Les  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:42:36am

re: #37 Dianna

Why is this man a candidate?

Because it feels good to them.

51 coquimbojoe  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:42:37am

Lying Sack of Crap.

52 mean Gene  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:42:58am

re: #39 bulwrk

war

or surrender.

53 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:42:59am
54 NoSubmission  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:43:16am

Obama makes Kerry's flip flops look like steely resolve.

55 Athos  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:43:30am

re: #37 Dianna

Why is this man a candidate?

This is the same party that has pressed McGovern, Carter, Dukakis, AlBore, and Kerry as 'viable' candidates. Competence has less to do with it as loyalty towards the ideology.

56 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:43:32am
“I have never said I would negotiate with terrorists.”

uhh.. Yes, you did Mr. Obama. A number of times in the debates with your democratic opponents. Now shut up and eat your waffle.

57 sattv4u2  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:43:45am

re: #37 Dianna

Why is this man a candidate?

HOPE ,,,, CHANGE ,,,,,, (never underestimate the stupidity of people sheeple in large numbers)

58 Lazarus  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:43:55am

Of course he can say this, because he would grovel before Iran's "democratically-elected leaders" and "members of the global community" who "can help stabilize tensions in this troubled part of the world." In his conrete-bound mentality, he would surrender to men with suits and robes and Members Club Only jackets, not men with masks and guns, so how can that be "negotiating with terrorists"?

59 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:43:57am

Once again Obama's position is being distorted.

How is it being distorted?

I have no idea.

But I do KNOW that Democrats and the media will tell me that Obama's position is being distorted.

60 pat  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:43:59am

Britt Hume has been hammering him on this, quite effectively.

61 AuntAcid  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:44:10am

Sic Michelle on'em!

62 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:44:27am
tough, direct presidential diplomacy


He's going to send them a Strongly Worded Letter himself, instead of having the UN do it.

What we need is tough, direct, presidential whoop-ass.
Speak softly and carry a big nuke,
not speak softly and carry a tune.

63 faraway  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:44:27am

He will just pray to the new Trinity.

“I forgive my sins in the name of the Barack, the Hussein, and the Holy Obama. Amen.”

[BTW,I stole this line]

64 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:44:50am

re: #37 Dianna

Why is this man a candidate?

Because Soros has spent a whole lot of money to make him one

65 NoSubmission  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:44:52am

Don't forget, die-hard Obamamites don't care what he says.

66 Lazarus  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:45:05am

And really, who will hold him to his contradiction? Americans don't care and the rest of the world is rooting for Iran.

67 Kenneth  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:45:12am

Hey Obama, negotiate this:

How Iran Is Killing U.S. Troops in Iraq

68 faraway  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:45:47am

This is what I really meant, sweetie.

69 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:45:52am

When Obama eventually secures the Democratic Nomination, I think his handlers are gonna regret this little temper tantrum of his. When he has to to that little dance back to the center and stop catering to his loonie left base, he will regret picking this fight.

70 brainwizard73  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:45:58am

re: #15 Charles

Democratic spinner now on Fox: Obama's gonna tell Iran, "you can't have nuclear weapons."

Oooh. That's gonna really make em quake in their robes.

Yeah, or what, Barack...are you going to talk them to death?

71 nyc redneck  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:46:02am

he is so used to being coddled by the msm he really thinks he can say and do anything w/ impunity.
all his lies and missteps will come in handy soon. let him keep making an ass of himself.
eventually the pile will be so big, that the stink will have to be acknowledged and seen for what it is. a testament to his foul character.

72 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:46:02am
"you can't have nuclear weapons."

Oh! We can't, we're sorry. No problem. We understand now, now that you're saying it.

73 pat  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:46:29am

I saw his chief foreign policy analyst on Fox yesterday. Typical liberal dimwit, who believes that Muslims want peace, instead of a piece of her. What is the point of talking if you are not listening? There is no shortage of word emenating from the Mid East.

74 SeattleSE  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:46:30am

I was just sitting in a hotel club lounge listening to him and I had the exact same thought. He contradicted himself within his speech. One moment he was talking about engaging them with "tough diplomacy" and the next moment he was saying that Bush and McCain were lying about his willingness to talk to terrorists.

But the thing that really got to me were the two grinning sycophants nodding and grinning with vapid delight at everything that he said.

Please, someone explain to me how educated people can be so stupid.

Cheers.

75 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:46:32am

re: #70 brainwizard73

Yeah, or what, Barack...are you going to talk them to death?

Well he's killin me.

76 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:46:43am

re: #67 Kenneth

Hey Obama, negotiate this:

How Iran Is Killing U.S. Troops in Iraq

Well, the obvious answer is to pull our troops out of Iraq so Iran can't target them.

/BHO response

77 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:46:44am
78 galloping granny  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:46:48am

re: #61 AuntAcid

Sic Michelle on'em!

Obama or Malkin?

79 Sharmuta  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:47:06am

Geeze, barack- you're pitching quite the hissy fit for not even being named directly. You really do have a guilty conscience about this, don't you?

80 JammieWearingFool  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:47:09am

re: #37 Dianna

Why is this man a candidate?

Hope, change, the media's infatuation with Marxists, sufficient quanities of melanin, and the left's desperate desire to show the world they're not racist.

81 RickZ  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:47:15am

re: #6 The Other Les

I want to know who's pulling his strings.

Oh, I quite agree. I know he comes from the Cook County political machine, where he earned his street cred sitting in a pew listening to Reverunatthemouth. But it would be interesting to know who is behind this Manchurian candidate. Because it just can't be dumb luck that got him to where he is, this close >< to becoming the President. But if it is dumb luck, then having a media carry water for him sure is a boost to his hopes. I never thought I would see our media turn into Pravda, but they have. With Obama, the party line consensus from the media is whatever he says today. The media doesn't even pretend to have a memory hole, as that would require an aspect of long term memory. I find the whole Obamasiah obamanation disconcertingly stupefying in a scary way.

82 Gat New York  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:47:15am

re: #17 galloping granny

Susan Rice - one of his anti-Israel foreign policy advisors. Would not be surprised if she was already talking with Iran the way another of Obama's anti-Israel advisors Malley was with Hamas.

Obama needs to be directly called out and told that when you are negotiating with Iran you ARE negotiating with the very people who support and train Hamas and Hezbollah. McCain needs to hammer that point.

He also needs to call out the lie that any prior U.S. President sat with enemy leaders without some preconditions. Never happened.

83 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:47:26am

re: #70 brainwizard73

Yeah, or what, Barack...are you going to talk them to death?

He will walk across the Persian Gulf and tell them that he is the hidden imam.

84 Kalak  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:47:39am

He isn't lying.

He doesn't consider Hamas and Hezbollah to be terrorists. Therefore, he will negotiate with them.

It's all in the semantics.

85 The Other Les  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:47:40am

re: #74 SeattleSE

I was just sitting in a hotel club lounge listening to him and I had the exact same thought. He contradicted himself within his speech. One moment he was talking about engaging them with "tough diplomacy" and the next moment he was saying that Bush and McCain were lying about his willingness to talk to terrorists.

But the thing that really got to me were the two grinning sycophants nodding and grinning with vapid delight at everything that he said.

Please, someone explain to me how educated people can be so stupid.

Cheers.

They haven't actually been educated. They've been indoctrinated. Major difference.

86 amphibian  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:47:42am

He never said it. And besides, it's not terrorism, it's resistance. Legitimate national resistance to oppression and stuff like that. And you're a racist for even bringing it up! Remember, folks: it all depends on what the meaning of "is" is!

On a more serious note, I guess this means that it no longer matters what Ears says any more; the voters' choices are more or less fixed, and the voters themselves are off to pay attention to something else. We remain appalled at Ears, his supporters have made up their minds, and it will take something truly amazing for the vote to shift much in either direction.

87 Kenneth  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:48:08am

Foreign policy lesson for Obama:

Syria & Iran use terrorism as a tool of their foreign policy.
Syria & Iran arm terrorists.
Syria & Iran train terrorists.
Syria & Iran are terrorists.
Negotiating with Syria & Iran is negotiating with terrorists.

Got it, waffle man?

88 galloping granny  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:48:09am

re: #67 Kenneth

Hey Obama, negotiate this:

How Iran Is Killing U.S. Troops in Iraq

Don't worry, the very second that he takes his hand off the koran at the swearing in our troops will be heading home - or surrendering to Iran.

89 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:48:17am
90 opnion  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:48:29am

Well, you see Negotiating & Diplomacy are not the same thing.
The differnce is, ah, um er. Give me the weekened, I'll get back to you.

91 cod_is_great  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:48:50am

It's hard to be "tough" when you've already ceded so much ground by being "direct."

And Obama couldn't even get Rev. Wright to change his mind about whether or not the government created AIDS to kill off minorities or about whether Jesus was a black Palestinian persecuted by Jews and Garlic noses...He's going to convince the sunked eyed money to swear off the 12th Imam?

92 Spirit93  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:49:01am

The primaries are over.

Time to start repositioning towards the center.

This is only the beginning.

93 brainwizard73  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:49:19am

He won't negotiate with "terrorists".

But he will meet with no preconditions the people that arm terrorists, fund terrorists, provide havens for terrorists, train terrorists, educate terrorists, feed terrorists, transport terrorists, pay terrorists' families when they die in attacks on American soldiers or innocent non-coms in Israel or Iraq.

No, Barack, you don't negotiate with "terrorists".

Barack better bite the head off of a gizzly bear on Hannity and Colmes tonight if he wants to have any semblance of fortitude.

94 jwpaine  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:49:45am

re: #37 Dianna

Why is this man a candidate?

Look at the two alternatives.

Bob Barr is starting to look good.

95 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:50:03am

re: #64 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Because Soros has spent a whole lot of money to make him one

Not just Soros. A lot of America's enemies have done so. There is a man by the name of Nadhmi Auchi who has been backing Obama for quite some time now. Auchi bankrolled Saddam's weaponry, and is an Iraqi-born British billionarie who helped Saddam with an assassination attempt on the Iraqi president about 40 years ago. In addition, Auchi is well connected to Rezko. Yes, that Tony Rezko who is on trial right now.

96 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:50:18am

re: #74 SeattleSE

Please, someone explain to me how educated people can be so stupid.

Cheers.

Because their history lessons came out of Howard Zinn's books.

97 brainwizard73  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:50:27am

re: #75 Nevergiveup

Well he's killin me.

Crap. You're right. We don't need new weapon systems...we need a bunch of altoids and Barack Obama's hot air...

98 pat  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:50:30am

re: #79 Sharmuta

Geeze, barack- you're pitching quite the hissy fit for not even being named directly. You really do have a guilty conscience about this, don't you?

Actually, I think he is so over his head that he has developed a faux intellectual over-response to any perceived critism. Sort of like the Clinton war room. And when he has the nomination wrapped up we will really see this over-reaction in torrents.

99 Roger  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:50:32am

re: #15 Charles

Democratic spinner now on Fox: Obama's gonna tell Iran, "you can't have nuclear weapons."

Oooh. That's gonna really make em quake in their robes.

And they will agree and then Barry will say look, the Iranians are better then Americans and will promptly start dismantling US nuclear weapons systems completely. Even before that he says he will take them all off of alert.

100 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:50:48am
101 Athos  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:51:09am

re: #74 SeattleSE

Please, someone explain to me how educated people can be so stupid.

They see only what they want to believe as opposed to believing what they see.

102 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:51:11am

re: #84 Kalak

He isn't lying.

He doesn't consider Hamas and Hezbollah to be terrorists. Therefore, he will negotiate with them.

It's all in the semantics.

Adding to that thought, all Obama has to do is signal that there are no terrorists and that the term is inherently pejorative and dehumanizing - straight from dKos.

Then he can negotiate with anyone and anything and never encounter a terrorist.

103 formercorpsman  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:51:13am

Does anyone think the speech Bush gave could have been taylored with an intent to draw such responses for all the players who have opened their mouths? Not the only reason for the speech, but certainly recognizing this is a political weak spot for the Dems, and exploiting it?

Pelosi who met with Assad, etc?

It sets the stage for their words to stand against their actions.

104 jcm  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:51:30am

Iran is the crux of a lot a problems.
Hamas.
Hezballah.
Lebanon.
Iraq Insurgency.
Syria.
Source of Hard currency to NorKo.

It is beyond naive to think talking with acolytes of the 12th Imam will result in anything other than emboldening them.
It's beyond dangerous.

IT'S SUICIDAL!

105 Alouette  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:51:47am

Osbama isn't lying, he doesn't believe Dinnerjacket is a "terrorist."

106 Kenneth  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:51:47am

Obama has vowed to pull out nearly all US troops within 6 months. He has vowed to scrap missile defense. He has signaled he will abandon Israel. He has openly stated he will concede Iraq to Iran.

By the time Obama actually meets with the Iranians, he will have given away all his sticks and his carrots. What's left to negotiate?

107 maddogg  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:51:48am

Obama continues to demonstrate a lack of character that typifies most Democratic politicians for the last 30 years.

108 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:51:48am

Obama has the magic wand for everything. One waive, and all your troubles go away. Peace, brother, and may the force be with you.

"If George Bush and John McCain want to have a debate..."

This is the kind of garbage that spews from that man's mouth.

109 BuddyG  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:51:48am

re: #93 brainwizard73

Barack better bite the head off of a gizzly bear on Hannity and Colmes tonight ...


I'd watch that!

110 brainwizard73  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:52:22am

re: #94 jwpaine

Look at the two alternatives.

Bob Barr is starting to look good.

Better watch out, those might be beer goggles you are wearing.

111 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:52:25am

re: #91 cod_is_great

It's hard to be "tough" when you've already ceded so much ground by being "direct."

And Obama couldn't even get Rev. Wright to change his mind about whether or not the government created AIDS to kill off minorities or about whether Jesus was a black Palestinian persecuted by Jews and Garlic noses...He's going to convince the sunked eyed money to swear off the 12th Imam?

No, Obama will reveal himself to be the Madhi. (I think someone else said that as well)

112 brainwizard73  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:53:27am

re: #109 BuddyG

I'd watch that!

I would too. Any man that could go "Davy Crockett" on the bit might cause me to take another look...

113 alegrias  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:54:19am

re: #44 Da Coyote

With respect to the Obamaloon being "unlectable", let us not forget that McKennedy is doing a fine job of alienating his entire base. I personally think he's only slightly less dense than Obama. Folks, our potential nominee is a dork. Perhaps the Repubs can regain some semblance of sense and nominate someone that we can support.

* * *
McCain has actually been to Iraq, unlike the other guy.
McCain has actually talked to our allies in Iraq, the presumed good guys.
McCain is a warmongering candidate, unlike the other guy.
McCain wants to win crushingly, NOT parley, with bad guys.

any more dorky lame baseless base questions?

114 adragonknowsbest  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:54:19am

re: #44 Da Coyote

I agree with you senor. Look how far this country has moved to the left. The donkey is likely to be the most liberal senator by voting record and the elephant is likely to be a moderate at best. I wonder when this shift to the left exactly occurred.

115 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:54:25am

re: #102 karmic_inquisitor

Adding to that thought, all Obama has to do is signal that there are no terrorists and that the term is inherently pejorative and dehumanizing - straight from dKos.

Then he can negotiate with anyone and anything and never encounter a terrorist.

He'll use the Arabs' definition of terrorist: Israeli who wants to defend himself. And he won't talk to them.

116 The Other Les  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:54:35am

re: #94 jwpaine

Look at the two alternatives.

Bob Barr is starting to look good.

Look again.

[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

117 Athos  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:54:46am

re: #103 formercorpsman

It sets the stage for their words to stand against their actions.

Exactly. That's why Obama and other leading Dems are counter-attacking so aggressively using the big lie. That's their mistake. The smarter move would have been to just ignore it. But then, the donks aren't as smart as they think they are.

118 stevieray  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:55:04am

The future of the world... negotiated between a marxist multiculturalist and a devotee of a violent false religion.

Golly, I feel safe.

Let's leave things up to two men who deeply believe in the two great slave systems still in existence... what could possibly go wrong?!

119 alegrias  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:55:14am

re: #67 Kenneth

Hey Obama, negotiate this:

How Iran Is Killing U.S. Troops in Iraq

* * *
Iranians are stealing night vision goggles and other technology and using it to kill our troops. Someone said on this topic yesterday at Fox that up to half our casualties in Iraq are caused by Iran.

120 galloping granny  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:55:16am

re: #106 Kenneth

Obama has vowed to pull out nearly all US troops within 6 months. He has vowed to scrap missile defense. He has signaled he will abandon Israel. He has openly stated he will concede Iraq to Iran.

By the time Obama actually meets with the Iranians, he will have given away all his sticks and his carrots. What's left to negotiate?

The overthrow of the United States Constitution and our surrender to the Ummah.

121 Athos  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:55:35am

re: #106 Kenneth

Obama has vowed to pull out nearly all US troops within 6 months. He has vowed to scrap missile defense. He has signaled he will abandon Israel. He has openly stated he will concede Iraq to Iran.

By the time Obama actually meets with the Iranians, he will have given away all his sticks and his carrots. What's left to negotiate?

The surrender of the US.

122 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:55:40am

re: #106 Kenneth

Obama has vowed to pull out nearly all US troops within 6 months. He has vowed to scrap missile defense. He has signaled he will abandon Israel. He has openly stated he will concede Iraq to Iran.

By the time Obama actually meets with the Iranians, he will have given away all his sticks and his carrots. What's left to negotiate?

That's how he'll get Iran to give up nuclear weapons. He'll weaken Israel and the US so Iran won't need them.
/do I need to?

123 galloping granny  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:56:02am

re: #111 Kosh's Shadow

No, Obama will reveal himself to be the Madhi. (I think someone else said that as well)

I think he is the AntiChrist, but same diff.

124 David Simon  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:57:16am

re: #59 karmic_inquisitor

Once again Obama's position is being distorted.

How is it being distorted?

I have no idea.

But I do KNOW that Democrats and the media will tell me that Obama's position is being distorted.

And even if it were, it's not like he's above using the tactic himself:

I don't oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income, to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.

That's what I'm opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.

[Link: 64.233.167.104...]

This whole kerfuffle reminds me of the (long ago) Illinois senate race between Charles Percy and Alex Seith. Seith began his campaign with a series of vicious character attacks, and when Percy countered, Seith whined furiously that it was a low blow. The crybaby Seith lost because of it; hopefully, crybaby Obama suffers the same fate.

125 alegrias  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:57:34am

re: #48 Ringo the Gringo

Now why didn't Bush think of that?

* * *
Well President Bush also let the Europeans handle the delicate appeasement without preconditions talks with Iran.

Mohammed El Baradei is our Man on Iran, and that hasn't worked so well but what do you expect when Inspector Clousseau is on the job?

126 galloping granny  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:57:45am

re: #119 alegrias

* * *
Iranians are stealing night vision goggles and other technology and using it to kill our troops. Someone said on this topic yesterday at Fox that up to half our casualties in Iraq are caused by Iran.

They are not just stealing them. Some people and companies here are buying them and then diverting them to Iran. Something else they pointed out on Fox: these particular goggles pick up a special patch our guys where so you can tell the good guys from the bad in the dark.

127 jwpaine  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:58:36am

re: #100 buzzsawmonkey

Babar is King of the Elephants, not President of the United States.

Good one, Buzz. Sadly, with choices like Shrillary, Hussein, and McShamnesty, even Babar looks good. Ditto Mickey Mouse. Pat Paulsen, even.

128 alegrias  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:59:33am

re: #55 Athos

This is the same party that has pressed McGovern, Carter, Dukakis, AlBore, and Kerry as 'viable' candidates. Competence has less to do with it as loyalty towards the ideology.

* * *
He is better looking than all the above dorks. An undorky Dem, that's the hope & hype.

129 amphibian  Fri, May 16, 2008 9:59:46am

re: #75 Nevergiveup

re: #70 brainwizard73

Yeah, or what, Barack...are you going to talk them to death?


Well he's killin me.

Not yet. But give him a couple of years as President and we'll see how much mischief he'll do. Hell, I've heard people slightly older than I say "we survived Carter". Maybe my generation will be able to tell its children back-in-my-day stories about "we survived Os^Hbama".

130 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:00:03am

re: #103 formercorpsman

Does anyone think the speech Bush gave could have been taylored with an intent to draw such responses for all the players who have opened their mouths? Not the only reason for the speech, but certainly recognizing this is a political weak spot for the Dems, and exploiting it?

Pelosi who met with Assad, etc?

It sets the stage for their words to stand against their actions.

Absolutely.

131 alegrias  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:02:05am

re: #70 brainwizard73

Yeah, or what, Barack...are you going to talk them to death?

* * *
Challenge them to a basketball "horse" contest in shirtsleeves.

132 brainwizard73  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:03:10am

re: #131 alegrias

* * *
Challenge them to a basketball "horse" contest in shirtsleeves.

As long as he doesn't wear the 1970's short shorts...the media would lose its mind and women would swoon all over America.

133 winston06  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:03:27am

Hussein O is a liar. Period! And ignorant people like him so much... I dont understand why.

134 adragonknowsbest  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:04:05am

re: #132 brainwizard73

When did skinny guys with big ears become sexy? I missed the memo on that one.

135 JHW  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:04:16am

I'm starting to see a lot of Obama yard signs popping up, I asked a few of my neighbors what they liked about him. The consensus seems to be, "He's a Democrat, he cares about the little guy, he's against the rich". Zero knowledge of his statements, policy pronouncements or connections. Sometimes I really worry about the complete clueless willful ignorance of a very large segment of our voting population.

136 winston06  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:04:30am

Btw, I am sure the Iranian regime s so happy to have a presidential candidate protecting their interests. Shame on Hussein O and the rest of Defeatocrats. Shame!

137 Ojoe  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:04:34am

Stupid.

138 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:04:55am
139 Armywife  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:05:08am

re: #12 Truck Monkey

Can I borrow that line?

140 alegrias  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:05:50am

re: #74 SeattleSE

I was just sitting in a hotel club lounge listening to him and I had the exact same thought. He contradicted himself within his speech. One moment he was talking about engaging them with "tough diplomacy" and the next moment he was saying that Bush and McCain were lying about his willingness to talk to terrorists.

But the thing that really got to me were the two grinning sycophants nodding and grinning with vapid delight at everything that he said.

Please, someone explain to me how educated people can be so stupid.

Cheers.

* * *
It's the ENDORPHINS, not the brain circuit.

141 Ojoe  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:06:02am

re: #135 JHW

And when I talk to some of these, in listening to their reply, it is as if some weird entity is talking, not the person as I normally know them.

142 jwpaine  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:06:05am

re: #116 The Other Les

Look again.

[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

Ah, thanks for the link. I'd only looked at Barr's own policy comments on his website, and I liked his small government (but of course, I've fallen for that line before).

Guess I'm down to writing-in Mickey Mouse. Or Pat Paulsen, even.

143 Kenneth  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:06:34am

re: #120 galloping granny
re: #121 Athos
re: #122 Kosh's Shadow

Triple bingo!

144 formercorpsman  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:08:02am

re: #130 really grumpy big dog Johnson

That has been the one theme during his time in office that keeps intriguing me.

Albeit, I can't recall specific events, it seems he has dealt a couple of trump cards when it was least expected.

A smart person is good, a smarter person surrounds themselves with smart people.

From what Charles posted up thread about the spinner speaking the language of West Virginian type of discourse, that makes me think there is some internal polling that says this is a very vulnerable area for Obama, and he is trying to make up some voting ground.

145 JHW  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:08:16am

re: #141 Ojoe

Same here, it's as if they completely close their minds to anything that challenges their wishes or preconceptions. They literally don't want to hear it.

146 Silhouette  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:08:48am

Silly bitter people, he will have unconditional diplomacy with Iran, not negotiate with terrorists. It is all in the labels.

/

147 brainwizard73  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:09:07am

re: #134 adragonknowsbest

When did skinny guys with big ears become sexy? I missed the memo on that one.

Not too sure, but it just goes to show you that personality (either real or percieved) matters...say what you will about Barack Obama, he has that lounge lizard smoothness when he is speaking in prepared remarks that makes some women, apparently, just go crazy.

I am praying for the day that some really overweight-Howard-Taft-esqe guy runs for office...so I can ride that wave.

148 Silhouette  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:10:04am

re: #134 adragonknowsbest

When did skinny guys with big ears become sexy? I missed the memo on that one.

Big ears means he is a good listener. And skinny means he is unlikely to eat all the chocolate, leaving more for her.

/as good a guess as any

149 formercorpsman  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:10:09am

re: #135 JHW


You know, what is not to like about him looking out for the little guy when he can tap some financial support from overseas, and buy some land he needs next to his house.

I'm sure that is coming my way if I just vote for him.

150 dingleB  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:11:00am

re: #37 Dianna

The blame falls squarely on Jeri Ryan.

151 Silhouette  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:11:55am

re: #135 JHW

I'm starting to see a lot of Obama yard signs popping up, I asked a few of my neighbors what they liked about him. The consensus seems to be, "He's a Democrat, he cares about the little guy, he's against the rich". Zero knowledge of his statements, policy pronouncements or connections. Sometimes I really worry about the complete clueless willful ignorance of a very large segment of our voting population.

Same ol' Dem lie for decades. The GOP is against the poor, blacks, women, Jews, students, the environment, etc.

On the other hand, the Dems must love the poor more, because they support policies guaranteed to create the maximum number of poor. What you love, you want more of, right?

152 alegrias  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:14:14am

re: #134 adragonknowsbest

When did skinny guys with big ears become sexy? I missed the memo on that one.

* * *
I loved Ross Perot who shared those characteristics signifying nothing, because Perot was a patriot who loves this country.

153 adragonknowsbest  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:14:20am

re: #147 brainwizard73

Call me a hater or what. But I have never considered BO a great orator. He pauses and uses so many "uh's" or "ummm's" that it drives me crazy. Perhaps I am too impatient for his slow, stuttering style. At his rallies I am amazed by how little he says and by how fired up the people get. Frankly that is very disturbing. Plus, he never seems to answer a question directly. When a politician choose to dodge then I consider them irrelevant.

154 David Simon  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:15:22am

re: #135 JHW

I'm starting to see a lot of Obama yard signs popping up, I asked a few of my neighbors what they liked about him. The consensus seems to be, "He's a Democrat, he cares about the little guy, he's against the rich".

He's against himself?

155 alegrias  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:15:47am

re: #142 jwpaine

Ah, thanks for the link. I'd only looked at Barr's own policy comments on his website, and I liked his small government (but of course, I've fallen for that line before).

Guess I'm down to writing-in Mickey Mouse. Or Pat Paulsen, even.

* * *
You're not helping the good guys then. GLAZE.

156 wolfie  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:18:09am

re: #49 freedomplow

2. McCain’s Hamas comments, context restored

Thank you. Thank you for linking this.
Even some lizards were suckered by the leftists' trickery on this one.

157 nyc_mike  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:18:29am

ah ah (evil laugh)

this is gonna be sweet! I can't wait for the reporters and the TV folk in the media to challenge him on this and call him on his blatant lie,

It's goon be so....

...oh...
...nevermind

158 Cap'n DOC  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:20:26am

re: #4 loppyd

Immaculate Deception - Change!

159 joncelli  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:21:20am

re: #6 The Other Les

Follow the money; it will lead you to Soros.

160 Roger  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:21:30am

How did he identify so fast with the 1939 appeasement Senator?

161 formercorpsman  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:24:06am

re: #160 Roger

Indeed.

Rookie move.

162 Terp Mole  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:25:36am

It will be difficult to illustrate Obama's stupidity on this issue when the Bush Administration has been equally stupid in negotiating with Kaddafi.

SENIOR US officials have acknowledged that the move to restore full diplomatic ties with Libya after more than 25 years is aimed in part at influencing Iran to give up uranium enrichment.

State Department officials said the message to Iran was that it would reap concrete benefits if it did likewise — although that prospect now seems remote.

The Bush Administration has re-established full diplomatic relations with Libya, rewarding a long-time foe for giving up terrorism and unconventional weapons. Completing a reversal that began three years ago, Administration officials said they would open an embassy in Tripoli and drop Libya from their list of nations that sponsor terrorism.

Kaddafi who gave up precisely... nothing.

163 tradewind  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:26:20am

Toss a rock over a fence, and only the hit dog yelps.
Time honored Southern sayin', even if some talking head did use it this morning.... and it applies here.
If he had nothing to confess, why did he open his yap?

164 brainwizard73  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:29:42am

re: #153 adragonknowsbest

Call me a hater or what. But I have never considered BO a great orator. He pauses and uses so many "uh's" or "ummm's" that it drives me crazy. Perhaps I am too impatient for his slow, stuttering style. At his rallies I am amazed by how little he says and by how fired up the people get. Frankly that is very disturbing. Plus, he never seems to answer a question directly. When a politician choose to dodge then I consider them irrelevant.

I don't pretend to understand the appeal, either. Maybe it's just the media creating the hoopla...and a bunch of under-hydrated female supporters.

165 jwpaine  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:33:13am

re: #155 alegrias

There are no good guys in this one. Only varying shades of bad guy.

166 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:33:30am
167 Steve McCullough  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:36:45am

It depends what your definition of "terrorist" is.

168 schultzw  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:38:30am

re: #167 Steve McCullough

I doubt Weather Underground would qualify in Obama's book

169 Athos  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:39:46am

One man's terrorist is a freedom fighter in Obama's book.

170 galloping granny  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:40:15am

re: #168 schultzw

I doubt Weather Underground would qualify in Obama's book

Makes you wonder what old J. Edgar might have had in his files about Obama's mama. . . .

171 ethanxxx  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:41:46am

I'm really starting to think that this boy is the Antichrist. Not just because of his actions but the actions of the mindless useful idiots that worship him. "Bush is dividing the Country"?... Really? Wholly S**T! These children can't even order lunch without ripping our country... and it is OUR Country, not theirs.

172 faraway  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:41:46am

This will go down in history as the Campaign of the Big Lie

173 galloping granny  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:43:39am

re: #171 ethanxxx

I'm really starting to think that this boy is the Antichrist. Not just because of his actions but the actions of the mindless useful idiots that worship him. "Bush is dividing the Country"?... Really? Wholly S**T! These children can't even order lunch without ripping our country... and it is OUR Country, not theirs.

I have noticed of late that ANY criticism of Obama on any grounds - his lack of experience, his associations, his own words - is instantly labeled as "devisive" and "not conducive to his goal of uniting this great country." Like we have no right at all to question him or judge his fitness for office.

174 ethanxxx  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:45:36am

re: #173 galloping granny

Agreed... and how scary is that?

175 roguejew  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:48:05am

He lies with the expertise of a Clinton and those lining up for their cup of koolaide take it as they would a gospel from their messiah or savior. Fortunately I don't drink the koolaid, I the one who pee'd in it!

176 galloping granny  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:50:34am

re: #174 ethanxxx

Agreed... and how scary is that?

I seriously - and I am not kidding in the least - wonder why on earth they are bothering to even hold an election this time around, since the outcome seems to have already been decided without any input from the American public.

177 AuntAcid  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:51:42am

re: #78 galloping granny

Obama or Malkin?

The angry 200 lb. "Marxist Harpy".

178 BIGDUKE 6  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:51:48am

re: #126 galloping granny

what to do ?
how bout a nice BIG FAT B-52 strike in Iran ?

179 funkyfantom  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:52:43am

re: #44 Da Coyote

With respect to the Obamaloon being "unlectable", let us not forget that McKennedy is doing a fine job of alienating his entire base. I personally think he's only slightly less dense than Obama. Folks, our potential nominee is a dork. Perhaps the Repubs can regain some semblance of sense and nominate someone that we can support.

Uhh... just how do you propose a scenario for that, save, heaven forbid, McCain becoming incapacitated?

180 funkyfantom  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:54:05am

re: #153 adragonknowsbest

Call me a hater or what. But I have never considered BO a great orator. He pauses and uses so many "uh's" or "ummm's" that it drives me crazy. Perhaps I am too impatient for his slow, stuttering style. At his rallies I am amazed by how little he says and by how fired up the people get. Frankly that is very disturbing. Plus, he never seems to answer a question directly. When a politician choose to dodge then I consider them irrelevant.

That doesn't leave too many in the relevant pile then, I guess.

181 AuntAcid  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:55:21am

re: #173 galloping granny

WHERE IS HIS FREAKING "GRAVITAS"?

182 funkyfantom  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:55:25am

re: #173 galloping granny

I have noticed of late that ANY criticism of Obama on any grounds - his lack of experience, his associations, his own words - is instantly labeled as "devisive" and "not conducive to his goal of uniting this great country." Like we have no right at all to question him or judge his fitness for office.

Well, yes. Hillary is dividing the far left from the radical left, while Obama is uniting them against the rest of us.

183 BIGDUKE 6  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:56:32am

re: #134 adragonknowsbest

Frank Sinatra
Humphrey Bogart
Lawrence Harvey
Will Smith (before the Ali movie)

184 galloping granny  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:57:01am

re: #178 BIGDUKE 6

what to do ?
how bout a nice BIG FAT B-52 strike in Iran ?

You'll only see that if the Israelis get their act together in a big fat hurry. WE won't do that. I would suspect to see this sometime after early November, depending on who takes the election here.

185 alegrias  Fri, May 16, 2008 10:58:35am

re: #163 tradewind

Toss a rock over a fence, and only the hit dog yelps.
Time honored Southern sayin', even if some talking head did use it this morning.... and it applies here.
If he had nothing to confess, why did he open his yap?

* * *
Fred Thompson, former presidential candidate of Tennesee said this morning on Fox & Friends, "If the shoe fits, wear it" about this very noticeable reaction in scads of dems yesterday.

They took it real personal!

186 alegrias  Fri, May 16, 2008 11:01:10am

re: #165 jwpaine

There are no good guys in this one. Only varying shades of bad guy.

* * *
I'd challenge you to a duel on this--McCain is no appeaser of Iran but a would be bomber of Iran. McCain is a good friend of Israel, which yesterday's whiners are not.

187 alegrias  Fri, May 16, 2008 11:02:30am

re: #173 galloping granny

I have noticed of late that ANY criticism of Obama on any grounds - his lack of experience, his associations, his own words - is instantly labeled as "devisive" and "not conducive to his goal of uniting this great country." Like we have no right at all to question him or judge his fitness for office.

* * *
Amen Granny--don't question, it's unpatriotic!

Don't question their unpatriotism!

188 cblesz  Fri, May 16, 2008 11:06:06am

I have said it before. This guy is so freaking full of shit. Nobody calls him on his waffling or mis-statements. As Hannity and Newt said, they (Obama and the Left) got soooo upset because they know that this is a weakness. Wait for the MSM's response, "Obama's speech was amazing...he changed the world and sent terrorists running...then a tingle went up my leg".

189 cblesz  Fri, May 16, 2008 11:07:10am

re: #173 galloping granny

I have noticed of late that ANY criticism of Obama on any grounds - his lack of experience, his associations, his own words - is instantly labeled as "devisive" and "not conducive to his goal of uniting this great country." Like we have no right at all to question him or judge his fitness for office.


Well said. I am getting so frustrated. I get a headache every freaking day now.

190 Russkilitlover  Fri, May 16, 2008 11:09:03am

Obama: "You can't have nuclear weapons."

Iran: YES WE CAN!

191 Silhouette  Fri, May 16, 2008 11:11:44am

re: #190 Russkilitlover

Obama: "You can't have nuclear weapons."

Iran: YES WE CAN!

Obama: "Well, then you are a racist!" (sits back, smiles, because this always works, man)

Iran: We fart in your general direction.

192 Russkilitlover  Fri, May 16, 2008 11:11:46am

It's nice to take some time out and watch the Democratic Party bounce around like scalded, spitting cats!

Hoist by their own petard, indeed.

193 Athos  Fri, May 16, 2008 11:13:54am

FNC now showing Barry addressing more questions on this.

Someone needs to remind Barry about the first rule when one is in a hole.

194 anubis_soundwave  Fri, May 16, 2008 12:27:44pm

I'm starting to actually LIKE McCain more....

I figure that the citizens of AZ keep electing him as their senator, so he must be doing something right.

195 katemaclaren  Fri, May 16, 2008 12:30:31pm

re: #193 Athos

Is that "Rule 1 - When in a hole, stop digging" ?

I'll bet it is. I personally hope he digs that hole all the way to China. Well, maybe not China. Pakistan.

196 Is it me?  Fri, May 16, 2008 12:34:57pm

Obamas weaknesses have been covered on other threads but this is a blatant lie that can be easily proved. That is stupid.
The whole of his attempt to be elected is based on image and no substance.
What I really like about Americans is their love of country, their patriotism. Hands on heart, lapel pins, flags flying from houses, the hoopla at baseball games where I've seen you supporting your troops etc. I don't see that in Obama at all, not just the outward signs but my sense of him (and the WAB). They don't like America, not the one that exists, so what sort of America would be acceptable to them. What would they change (no doubt for the worse).
He associates with people who are flat out racists and bombers, Wright and NOI types. He has attended a *church* that is no sort of Christian that I can understand and listened to preaching that is repellant and for 20 years did not see anything wrong in it. He only changed his mind when he saw that people objected and it might hurt his campaign. It doesn't mean he still doesn't believe it. His snide remarks about TWP show it. That is disturbing.

He seems to think that he will be good for America. He won't.
Just look at the amount of damage to the social fabric of America he has already wrought. He is the one who has flung racism into the arena and look what it has produced. It's ugly.
He would have no problems negotiating with terrorists because they are possibly more familiar to him given his associates. He is not capable of dealing with them, they will run rings round him and you will become vulnerable as a result. They will see him as one of them but weak. Imagine Obama announcing that he will go to Tehran and talk to Dinnerjacket and all problems will be solved. Do you want to imagine the warm and highly friendly greetings for the TV cameras. What will follow? Obama coming home and announcing *peace in our time* or high level coverage from the Iranian propoganda machine showing how naive and stupid he is followed by a dramatic high profile public trial for Crimes against the World. It doesn't bear thinking about.
Obama is dangerous.

197 kafir  Fri, May 16, 2008 12:43:32pm

Uh ... Mr. Obama, sir?

Uh, not quite sure if you know this ... but ...

IRAN IS A STATE SPONSOR OF TERROR, AND ARE LED BY TERRORIST MULLAHS AND A PRESIDENT WHOM SEVERAL OF THE HOSTAGES IN TEHRAN REPORT WAS IN THE GROUP THAT VIOLATED INTERNATIONAL LAW AND GRABBED THEM.

Yes Mr. Obama, this is the case.

Yes, Mr. Obama, they are terrorists.

Yes, Mr. Obama, you did state, several times, in no uncertain terms that

YOU WOULD INDEED NEGOTIATE DIRECTLY WITH THE TERRORISTS IN IRAN

I think at this point what we have is less of a credibility problem, and more of a basic comprehension problem. If you don't grasp that they are terrorists ... well ... what exactly can we do? You can disagree that they are, certainly.

IT DOESN"T CHANGE THE FACT THAT THEY ARE.

Really.

You can put lipstick on that pig Mr. Obama, but it still doesn't change its fundamental porcine essence.

198 incanus  Fri, May 16, 2008 1:04:29pm

The only logical conclusion is this: Obama does not in fact believe that Iran is a state-sponsor of terrorism. It follows therefore that he believes Iran is justified in thumbing its nose at the United States and the world community on the subject of nuclear capability, not to mention arms proliferation in Iraq and continued support of anti-government forces there.

Think for a moment: when's the last time you heard a Presidential Candidate, one who's apparently going to be the nominee of one of the major parties, take this stance? This is new territory folks.

I don't care about Obama's ears, his skin colour, or what he wore in a photo. I do care about his beliefs and policy positions.

Obama has yet to address alleged ties with FARC. Hugo Chavez is no friend of the United States either, and he's been linked to FARC. Does anyone doubt Obama would be willing to have "talks without preconditions" with Hugo as well?

199 roggie  Fri, May 16, 2008 1:10:00pm

1) when a lib or dem (same thing really) says something is divisive or unfair, you can be sure that something is true.

2) I am amazed that is still up on B. Hussein's website. Usually LGF has enough of a profile for webmasters to be a little quicker covering for their candidate.

200 Juliette  Fri, May 16, 2008 1:45:33pm
He’s getting complacent about his teflon coating.

I think he's just checking it for holes.

201 AZDave  Mon, May 19, 2008 12:30:43pm

Maybe Obama wasn't there when he said it.


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