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Nation of Islam to Police Miami

Wed, May 28, 2008 at 7:52:33 am PDT

Now, this sounds like a fantastic idea; put one of the most virulent hate groups operating openly in the US in charge of fighting crime in Miami: Muslim group to help keep peace in Miami’s Overtown.

What could possibly go wrong?

Seeking a balance between outreach and enforcement, Miami is launching a nearly $1 million crime-fighting initiative in Overtown that will mix police patrols, video cameras — and suit-and-tie wearing Muslims.

The stepped-up policing seeks to deter would-be lawbreakers without making Overtown residents feel “invaded,” in the words of Miami Commissioner Michelle Spence-Jones. Which is where the Muslims come in.

Along with budgeting hundreds of thousands of dollars for increased police patrols and the installation of surveillance cameras, Miami is spending $150,000 on a “Peacemakers” pilot program run by a nonprofit with ties to the Nation of Islam.

Under the proposed contract, which should be finalized in the coming weeks, the Peacemakers would function as a liaison between police and the community. ...

New Orleans police in 2005 rescinded a $15,000 police-sensitivity training contract with a longtime security director for Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan — after facing widespread criticism from local religious leaders and officers over that group’s reputation as anti-Semitic.

Though Miami’s Peacemakers say they will not advocate any religion and are not officially aligned with the Nation of Islam, the Peacemakers’ corporate offices are at the religious group’s Miami mosque. Rasul Muhammad is a prominent Nation of Islam member and the son of former leader Elijah Muhammad.

Asked about the Peacemakers’ planned role in Miami, the Anti-Defamation League raised concerns.

“While we appreciate the city of Miami’s efforts to improve conditions in the Overtown area,” wrote Andrew Rosenkranz, Florida regional director for the Anti-Defamation League, “we are concerned that it did not fully understand the nature of the organization that it chose to provide these services.”

Muhammad responded, “We are not anti-Jewish people. We are not anti-Catholic people. We are not anti-white people. The whole Peacemakers project is being based on being anti-crime, anti-immorality . . . . Are they saying that they don’t want peace?”

(Hat tip: WriterMom.)

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1 laZardo  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:54:02am

They already got their first suspect.

2 lawhawk  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:54:21am

Hmmm.. that's about as good an idea as Al Sharpton patrolling Harlem looking for criminals.

3 Honorary Yooper  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:54:38am

Dang, that's even worse than having the Chicago PD protect the Gangster Disciples on a march.

4 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:54:41am

Stunned disbelief.

5 WriterMom  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:54:52am

Hmmm...I am experiencing very good hat tip karma lately..thanks, Charles.

6 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:55:45am

In a related story, Commissioner Gordon has started an outreach to The Joker & Two-Face in an effort to police Gotham City.

7 loppyd  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:55:46am
Muhammad responded, “We are not anti-Jewish people. We are not anti-Catholic people. We are not anti-white people. The whole Peacemakers project is being based on being anti-crime, anti-immorality . . . . Are they saying that they don’t want peace?”

Well, actually they are saying just that, Muhammad.

8 bitsy  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:55:51am

"The Miami Muttawa" has a better ring to it.

9 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:55:58am
Though Miami’s Peacemakers say they will not advocate any religion and are not officially aligned with the Nation of Islam, the Peacemakers’ corporate offices are at the religious group’s Miami mosque. Rasul Muhammad is a prominent Nation of Islam member and the son of former leader Elijah Muhammad.

Sheer coincidence, I tellya.

This is a bad idea on SO many levels, it's hard to really summarize them.

10 Jimmy The Clam  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:57:11am

Yes, those N.O.I. types sure know how to keep that Jewish crime problem in check.
WTF!?

11 alegrias  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:57:32am

Florida Governor Charlie Crist just lost his chance as Vice Presidential candidate with McCain.

They do call Miami the capital of Latin America, on the other hand. Great way to guard our southern border, with NOI sympathizers watching the henhouse.

12 loppyd  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:57:35am

Lots of angry youths ripe for recruitment in Overtown.

13 laZardo  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:57:52am

There'd be spring break riots to high hell if they policed the Beaches...

14 Milk Toast Intolerant  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:58:00am

The whole Peacemakers project is being based on being anti-crime, anti-immorality . . . . Are they saying that they don’t want peace?”

Peace through Islamic religious culture is actually hell.

15 loppyd  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:58:07am

re: #11 alegrias

Florida Governor Charlie Crist just lost his chance as Vice Presidential candidate with McCain.

They do call Miami the capital of Latin America, on the other hand. Great way to guard our southern border, with NOI sympathizers watching the henhouse.

Goody. You know why. :~)

16 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:58:31am

In a related story, the Gary, IN police department will partner up with "Brown Shirts for Peace" in order to patrol predominantly white neighborhoods in that city. BSP just happens to be headquartered in the local KKK branch office, but shares no formal affiliation with the group.

/

17 D. Lapin  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:59:05am

anti-immorality?

Uh...whose immorality? The prophet's? So I guess it's going to be okay to have intercourse with children.

18 loppyd  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:59:17am

re: #16 Occasional Reader

In a related story, the Gary, IN police department will partner up with "Brown Shirts for Peace" in order to patrol predominantly white neighborhoods in that city. BSP just happens to be headquartered in the local KKK branch office, but shares no formal affiliation with the group.

/

LOL

Now I have to at least make some copies to look like I did something all morning.

BBAL

19 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:59:19am

re: #9 Occasional Reader "This is a bad idea on SO many levels, it's hard to really summarize them."

Hey, are you still home with that virus or whatever? Are you feeling better today?
If the answer to those two questions is "Yes" then go ahead and summarize them!
LOL!

20 antishock8  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:59:41am

Are you saying we don't want peace? Huh? HUH? You dirty Kafir scumbag Zionist tool?!?! Huh?

21 WriterMom  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:59:51am

Sharia Enforcement Committee of Florida.

22 alegrias  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:59:59am

But I am all in favor of suit & tie wearing men.

Sartorially, the NOI is ok.

23 EC Marm  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:00:06am

What could go wrong?

/ won't take long

24 jcm  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:00:15am

Inmates....Asylum

25 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:00:19am

This represents the city government of Miami practically admitting that it's a "failed state". Such that they're having to cut deals with religious militias in order to try to maintain a semblance of "order".

26 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:00:45am
The whole Peacemakers project is being based on being anti-crime, anti-immorality


Muttawa!

27 lawhawk  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:00:50am

re: #16 Occasional Reader

I hate the Indiana Nazis. /jake and elwood

28 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:01:04am

re: #19 realwest

Hey, are you still home with that virus or whatever?

Nope, at work, feeling somewhat better.

29 madisonsfriend  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:01:10am

uh, oh, NOI is going to catch my friend's mom taking two sweet and lows at her early bird dinner!

30 alegrias  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:01:11am

Charlie Crist, you have a lot of 'splainin' to do!

No se puede NOI!

31 republic  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:01:11am

Did the people of Miami not vote the clowns into office who make these decisions?

People vote clowns into office, and then sit back on their fat asses and bitch about the decisions these clowns make.

If you don't like it, participate in voting these clowns out of all political office, otherwise, enjoy the consequences.

32 WriterMom  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:01:21am

re: #25 Occasional Reader

Bbbbbbut, they are just "seeking a balance between outreach and enforcement".

33 WriterMom  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:01:34am

re: #26 Killgore Trout

DING DING DING DING!

34 EC Marm  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:01:36am

The Madhi Army comes to Miami...

35 maddogg  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:01:56am

So why not just make Louis Farrakhan chief of Miami police and get it over with?

36 looking closely  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:02:10am

How @#$$ed does the situation in Miami have to be for the Miami PD to even consider this move?

37 sattv4u2  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:02:11am

As a proud member of the MAFIA (Mothers And Fathers Italian Association) I lodge a complaint that we weren't given the opportunity to bid on this protection racket, ummm,, err ,,, chance to help out

38 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:02:18am

Oh. Boy. The Cuban-American community is gonna go for this in a BIG WAY - NOT!
WTF is wrong with Miami?Do they have a Republican Mayor (just curious is all)?
Do they have a Republican-controlled "City-Council" or it's equivalent?

39 WriterMom  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:02:37am

I think Miami deserves a 1,000,000 Bikinis March in protest (chicks only-no speedos allowed).

40 yitzy  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:02:42am

OY VEY!

41 madisonsfriend  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:02:57am

They are not anti-Jewish. It is just clearly that we Jews are members of a gutter religion.

42 smokefire  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:03:18am

....I could not resist this. First attempt by NOI police force to apprehend criminal.

43 WriterMom  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:03:23am

re: #29 madisonsfriend

HAHAHAHHAHA

And the jam!

44 alegrias  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:03:47am

Dhimmi Jose Luis Zapatero of Spain has made the same arrangement with the caliphate--we'll pay to maintain your mosques if you promise not to hurt us.

And the caliphate says bwahaha, Si Se puede, Senyor Zapatero. What's in your wallet?

45 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:03:49am
46 firebreather  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:04:07am

One day in the near future:

Social scientists, media commentators, academics, and politicians will tell the American public that the best way to demonstrate good faith & intentions towards our woebegone Muslim friends...and the best way to co-opt the Islamists...will be for all of us to convert to Islam.

You know, to demonstrate tolerance & respect, and honor the rainbow-hued wonders of diversity.

47 laZardo  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:04:17am

re: #27 lawhawk

I hate Florida NOIs.

48 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:04:21am

Maybe they could get NOI to patrol South Beach, too. Then things would get REALLY interesting, what with that "anti-immorality" mandate and all. What's that phrase Mark Steyn likes to use? "The internal contradictions of multiculturalism" or something like that.

49 smokefire  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:04:30am

re: #39 WriterMom

I think Miami deserves a 1,000,000 Bikinis March in protest (chicks only-no speedos allowed).

OH, MOM, I'm on board with that.

50 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:04:31am

re: #28 Occasional Reader Glad to hear you're feeling better, but wish you coulda taken another day off, just to be sure!

51 leboaz  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:04:40am

'Police spokesman Islamic Rage Boy says"Jews -who are all criminals- not welcomed in Flaaarida" today' -Roiders

52 Honorary Yooper  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:04:44am

re: #4 MandyManners

Stunned disbelief.

I'm getting less stunned, and just more angry. You have this, and you have the Chicago PD told to protect the GD on a freaking march.

What in the hell is wrong with these pitcures!?!

53 WriterMom  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:04:59am
54 looking closely  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:05:22am

Why am I reminded of this incident?

[Link: findarticles.com...]

[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

55 vxbush  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:05:59am

Are you fricking kidding me? Do these people know ANYTHING of the recent past? I know, I know: obviously, no.

This could drive me to drink, sometimes.

56 WriterMom  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:06:47am

Or this.

57 republic  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:07:01am
Though Miami’s Peacemakers say they will not advocate any religion and are not officially aligned with the Nation of Islam, the Peacemakers’ corporate offices are at the religious group’s Miami mosque

They would be APOSTATES if they don't preach of their cult of deceit and murder!

What about separation of "Church and state"?

If it were the "1st Evangelical Church" who were the liason, the ACLU would have a lawsuit up in a matter of hours!

I'm starting to enjoy the thought of what is coming.

58 jamgarr  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:07:01am

It has nothing to do with religion because he said it has nothing to do with religion. Simple. And there are no American soldiers in Baghdad.

59 madisonsfriend  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:07:04am

Will they also be able to arrest people who don't buy their racist, anti-semitic newspaper?

60 SpartanWoman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:07:32am

Where is the charming little ACLU to deal with these morality police?

Shaking in their Birks

61 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:07:34am
62 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:07:38am

re: #39 WriterMom Why that's an absolutely SPLENDID idea! Wonder why O.R. didn't think of it first?!

63 republic  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:07:57am

re: #52 Honorary Yooper

I'm getting less stunned, and just more angry. You have this, and you have the Chicago PD told to protect the GD on a freaking march.

What in the hell is wrong with these pitcures!?!


The consequences of a simple vote.

64 looking closely  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:08:00am

re: #54 looking closely

Better link on Oakland liquor store incident, including some video footage.

Note the dark-suited bow-tie wearing "son of a prominent Muslim leader". . .hence the Deja Vu, perhaps.

[Link: cbs5.com...]

65 WriterMom  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:08:08am
66 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:09:08am

re: #59 madisonsfriend

Will they also be able to arrest people who don't buy their racist, anti-semitic newspaper?

By not buying their anti-semitic newspaper, you're violating NOI's 1st Amendment right to force their opinion on you. So of COURSE they can arrest you. You're violating the Constitution, fer Pete's sake.

67 republic  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:09:24am

re: #60 SpartanWoman

Where is the charming little ACLU to deal with these morality police?

Shaking in their Birks

islam gets a free pass from the ACLU.

islam is shoved down the throats of public school children everywhere in this country, but any pictures of Jesus must be removed immediately.

68 kansas  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:09:41am

My head just exploded. Please call 911 for me.

69 eon  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:10:15am
Muhammad responded, "We are not anti-Jewish people. We are not anti-Catholic people. We are not anti-white people. The hole Paecemakers' project is being based on being anti-crime, anti-immorality....... Are they saying that they don't want peace?"

Not anti-Jewish, anti-Catholic, anti-white? I'm not sure Louis Farrakhan would agree with that. (Maybe this gentleman didn't get the memo.)

This sort of thing has been tried before- read Radical Chic and Mau-Mauing the Flak-Catchers by Tom Wolfe. Not to mention when the Weimar government in Germany brought a certain Austrian corporal in, on the basis of his promise to get the mobs of young men off the streets. It wasn't hard for him to do, as those young men had been sent out into the streets by said Austrian corporal to begin with.

As for the idea of the rest of the people around there, "not wanting peace"- considering that the Nation of Islam, like mainstream Islam, divides the world into the Dar al-Islam and the Dar al-Harb, meaning the "Land of Peace (or Submission)" and the "Land of War", respectively, I suspect the locals are a bit concerned about exactly what brand of "peace" this bunch is peddling. I know I am.

Just as I am concerned about the possibility of such a group gaining de facto control of a major U.S. Port of Entry. With all that implies from a security standpoint.

cheers

eon

70 Steffan  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:10:41am

I am reminded that George Lincoln Rockwell was a great admirer of Elijah Muhammad and Malcolm X. To the point that Rockwell gave a speech to the NOI, in full Nazi regalia. IIRC, the speech was quite favorably received by the NOI.

Hey, they shared the same goals, so why not?

71 Jimmy The Clam  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:10:58am

re: #59 madisonsfriend

Will they also be able to arrest people who don't buy their racist, anti-semitic newspaper?

I used buy the N.O.I. newspaper every time I can.
I haven't had one in a good 10-years, but it's like reading the Weekly World News, just with whitey and 'those darn Joooos' behind every nefarious plot imaginable.

72 David Simon  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:11:12am

And if they need reserves, they can call up the New Black Panther Party.

73 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:12:26am
The stepped-up policing seeks to deter would-be lawbreakers without making Overtown residents feel ''invaded,'' in the words of Miami Commissioner Michelle Spence-Jones.


Let me know how that works out for ya.

74 laZardo  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:12:49am

re: #12 loppyd

It currently has a population of approximately 8,000, of which more than 90% are African American.

Source: Wikipedia.

I bet they're thinking "Jackpot!" right about now...

75 CEQAttorney  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:12:57am

re: #6 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

In a related story, Commissioner Gordon has started an outreach to The Joker & Two-Face in an effort to police Gotham City.

Actually, Harvey Dent (aka Two-Face) recently protected Gotham City when Batman, Robin and Nightwing were on hiatus.

(Yes, I am a LotR nerd and comic book nerd).

76 madisonsfriend  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:13:17am

[Link: www.noi.org...]

Read this- It is easily found on the net but I guess Miami doesn't get the internet

77 Iron Fist  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:13:38am
The whole Peacemakers project is being based on being anti-crime, anti-immorality . . . . Are they saying that they don’t want peace?”

Soooooo, we have the Committee to Suppress Vice and Promote Virtue starting to operate in Miami just like in Saudi Arabia. Can burning schoolgirls to death because they don't have their hair covered be far behind?

I wonder where the "Seperation of Church and State" people are on this. Islamic Religious police in America. This is what multiculturalism is bringing us.

78 Golem Akbar  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:14:06am

re: #61 savage_nation

college age, I hope... :)

No codepinkos, thanks


No one over the age of 30 allowed, either [my 2 cents].
No one under the age of 16. Let's keep it legal...
No men.
I think that covers it...

79 Sponge  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:14:17am
Muhammad responded, “We are not anti-Jewish people. We are not anti-Catholic people. We are not anti-white people. The whole Peacemakers project is being based on being anti-crime, anti-immorality . . . . Are they saying that they don’t want peace?”


This coming from a top member of one of the most racist, anti-jew, anti-whitey organizations on the planet.

80 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:14:19am
81 jcm  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:14:23am

re: #68 kansas

My head just exploded. Please call 911 for me.

911 Miami Operator - Please state you emergency?
Kansas - My head just exploded.
911 Miami Operator - please hold it the mandatory pray time.

82 akak  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:15:06am

I used to like going to Miami.

83 looking closely  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:15:24am

re: #71 Jimmy The Clam

I used buy the N.O.I. newspaper every time I can.
I haven't had one in a good 10-years, but it's like reading the Weekly World News, just with whitey and 'those darn Joooos' behind every nefarious plot imaginable.

Reminds me of that old joke about the old Jew sitting on the train reading the German newspaper in 1937.

Another Jew sees him and says "Why are you reading that trash"?

Older Jew replies, "In our newspapers, the Jews are poor, we're being persecuted, killed, and run out of town. But in the German papers, the Jews are fantastically wealthy, and control all the banks, the press, and the government! Of course I'm going to read those papers!".

84 amphibian  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:15:44am
We are not anti-Jewish people. We are not anti-Catholic people. We are not anti-white people. The whole Peacemakers project is being based on being anti-crime, anti-immorality . . . . Are they saying that they don’t want peace?

Anti-immorality. As in, let your women out of the house without bags over their heads and it's the Big Whacking Stick for you? I heard they've got that kind of anti-immorality in Saudi Arabia.

Which deep thinker came up with this idea (or likely, which deep thinker agreed when NOI approached him with it), and what was he smoking at the time?

85 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:15:56am

re: #75 CEQAttorney

Actually, Harvey Dent (aka Two-Face) recently protected Gotham City when Batman, Robin and Nightwing were on hiatus.

(Yes, I am a LotR nerd and comic book nerd).


What, The Huntress wasn't available?

/I see your nerdom & raise you!

86 rabidsquirrel  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:16:05am

I'm guessing their version of "Take Back the Night" will bear a striking resemblance to Krystallnacht.

87 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:16:15am

re: #80 buzzsawmonkey

that rather than having them read or study something challenging, they will be incapable of understanding anything unless it is watered down to match their already existing knowledge and experience

You mean like... oh, say, having one's senior thesis at a putatively Ivy League university be on "The Experience of [people of my complexion] at [my university]"? That sort of thing?

88 laZardo  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:16:50am

re: #81 jcm

911 Miami Operator - Please state you emergency?
Kansas - My head just exploded.
911 Miami Operator - please hold it the mandatory pray time. Could you describe the conditions in which your head exploded so we can ensure the proper amount of virgins in the afterlife?

/fix'd, also see my #710 in previous thread

89 Ward Cleaver  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:17:21am

Hey, what's that flushing sound? Oh, it's just the U.S. going down the toilet.

90 astronmr20  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:18:07am

All your criminals are belong to us (to convert).

91 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:18:24am

re: #74 laZardo

re: #12 loppyd

It currently has a population of approximately 8,000, of which more than 90% are African American.

Source: Wikipedia.

I bet they're thinking "Jackpot!" right about now...

Bingo. No joke about it. That is exactly why they are happy to "help". Prime recruiting grounds for young toughs who they can brainwash "straighten out" and use to swell their ranks.

92 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:18:48am

They'll be beating up elderly Jews for keeping their left turn signals on and ignoring the drug deals on the corner.

93 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:19:03am
94 leboaz  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:19:09am

lemme see, guys. Maybe we can get the Hells Angels to help out with secirity at the concert!
Cool, man, deep inhale

95 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:19:16am

re: #78 Golem Akbar

No one over the age of 30 allowed, either [my 2 cents].
No one under the age of 16. Let's keep it legal...
No men.
I think that covers it...

There's a lot of women over the age of 30 who would still look great in a bikini.

96 leboaz  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:20:15am

re: #95 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Cindy McCain

97 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:22:00am
98 laZardo  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:22:32am

re: #91 Occasional Reader

Of course, now that the NoI are the "po-leece..." that just won't be "gangsta," yo.

/

99 Roger  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:24:22am

re: #57 republic

They would be APOSTATES if they don't preach of their cult of deceit and murder!

What about separation of "Church and state"?

If it were the "1st Evangelical Church" who were the liason, the ACLU would have a lawsuit up in a matter of hours!

I'm starting to enjoy the thought of what is coming.

The separation gap between is not only narrowing but for islam it now overlaps again.

100 IPLaw  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:24:33am

The government shouldn't allow, much less pay for, any private group to police the streets, period. First, it's an outright abdication of the government's police power that is akin to the unconstitutional "company cops" of old. Second, there are numerous and very serious questions of liability - who's responsible if one of the NOI "peacekeepers" assaults someone? Is the state going to step in and pay for a wrongful death settlement costing millions of dollars? What if one of the NOI "peacekeepers" is killed? Third, using a private force that clearly belongs to, and it motivated by, a religious ideology clearly violates the establishment clause.

I could go on, but the most basic issue to me is that Miami's plan is an attack on the rule of law itself.

Any first year law student would point out all of the above issues, and more, on a Con law exam. So, what kind of dipshit attorneys work for Miami?

101 CEQAttorney  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:26:37am

re: #85 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

What, The Huntress wasn't available?

/I see your nerdom & raise you!

She was running Birds of Prey.

/call

102 mean Gene  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:27:13am

It worked so well in Sacramento.
/

103 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:27:23am
104 WriterMom  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:27:29am

re: #87 Occasional Reader

Yes...you can get a degree in Navel Gazing. Amazing.

105 Sunlight  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:29:04am

I'm imagining we'll hear the URJ social justice types squawking as loudly about this as they did about Bush's "faith based initiative" ideas to help stem addiction, homelessness, etc. They pontificated at length about the separation of church and state, proselytizing, evil right wingers, etc. I'd like to hear a similarly loud response to this NOI involvement in public roles. However, Bush wasn't crafty enough to say something like, "Are they saying they don't want peace?" That will shut down the URJ social justice contingent immediately. Weak.

106 Montaigne's Cat  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:29:21am

Kind of like having Hell's Angels police a rock concert. What could possibly go wrong?

107 maddogg  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:29:37am

Heh. Wrote a 3 paragraph rant and then deleted it.

/whats the point?

108 Cap'n DOC  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:29:57am
Are they saying that they don’t want peace?

Not at your price, bub. mohammedans - they're of one mind.

109 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:29:58am
110 TalkinKamel  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:31:26am

re: #100 IPLaw

I have a sneaking suspicion that any attorneys working for Miami might be getting Saudi and/or Nation of Islam money to perpetrate this sham.

By the way, isn't this a violation of separation of church and state? And why isn't the ACLU on this? Suppose a Christian group calling themselves "The New Knights Templars" were hired to help Miami keep law and order? Think anybody'd be "debating" this? Or would they be screaming bloody murder?

It's all part of pushing the envelope, and getting America to accept Moslem domination, and shari'a law. It's also, as others have pointed out, a great way for the Nation of Islam to proselytize the very thugs and criminals who make up their ranks.

111 lurking faith  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:32:08am
Muhammad responded, “We are not anti-Jewish people. We are not anti-Catholic people. We are not anti-white people. The whole Peacemakers project is being based on being anti-crime, anti-immorality . . . . Are they saying that they don’t want peace?”

The thin edge of the wedge.

On the other hand, perhaps I should lay in a supply of popcorn for the resulting civil rights violation lawsuits.

112 mean Gene  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:32:18am

Didn't the Dutch sort of allow this in Amsterdam?
It lead to an editor of a gay US magazine and his partner being beated badly right on the street.
The Dutch response?
Gays in Amsterdam should stop all forms of public displays of affection, lest they also get beaten to within an inch of their lives.

If 90% of this area in Miami is black who can non-muslim blacks complain to?

113 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:32:32am

Balkanization of the United States.

Think about it.

We all pay taxes to different layers of government for things like law enforcement.

One central theme that keeps running through my head every time I read something like this, is how far the triangulation has gone.

Of course, this will be defended to the likes of the Guardian Angels, when contested.

How long will it be, before the ACLU is petitioning for funding?

Was this decision ever put on a ballot before the voting public?

I would guarantee, if you look at the inner circle behind this, you will also find the same folks responsible for the oversight of the influence in the prison system for mentoring.

They know exactly where to hit us.

114 CEQAttorney  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:33:42am

Seriously, isn't this just the start of introducing Sharia law in the United States?

115 TalkinKamel  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:33:44am

re: #99 Roger

Where Islam is concerned, separation of church and state just doesn't seem to apply. We've already seen that with state supported Islamic charter schools, and Moslem student groups being supported by tax funds at universities such as UCI.

This is just the next step. We may be winning in Iraq, but we're losing the battle here at home. . .

116 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:34:01am

re: #104 WriterMom

Yes...you can get a degree in Navel Gazing. Amazing.

Even if you write your thesis in 7th grade level English... even more amazing.

117 TalkinKamel  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:34:35am

re: #114 CEQAttorney

Yes.

118 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:35:07am
119 Orbit Rain  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:35:27am
The whole Peacemakers project is being based on being anti-crime, anti-immorality

...and who decides what is moral or not? I look forward to the first lawsuit that pulls millions out of Miami citizen's pockets...

Are they saying that they don’t want peace?

...depends on what you agree the definition of "peace" is...

ARE YOU SAYING YOU DON'T WANT FRIES WITH THAT ! ? ! ?

120 Sunlight  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:35:34am

re: #110 TalkinKamel

See 105

121 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:35:48am
122 leboaz  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:36:22am

re: #112 mean Gene

The moving van

123 laZardo  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:36:29am

re: #111 lurking faith

The thin edge of the wedge.

On the other hand, perhaps I should lay in a supply of popcorn for the resulting civil rights violation lawsuits.

Yeah. From the NoI, claiming that people brutalized them on the streets.

124 Buck  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:36:36am

Why the Peacekeepers... was the UN not available?

125 coquimbojoe  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:37:53am

The Mutaween come to Miami. Wonder what's gonna happen to the liquor stores there?

126 cygnus  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:37:59am

re: #1 laZardo

They already got their first suspect.

Hey! You said 'first'!

127 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:39:06am

re: #101 CEQAttorney

She was running Birds of Prey.


/call

Can't I just finish my waffle?

128 TalkinKamel  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:39:13am

re: #111 lurking faith

I'd hold off on the popcorn, if I were you.

An ordinary cop might get hauled into court merely for looking cross-eyed at somebody he arrests, or not reading him every single jot and title of his rights, but I suspect these guys, because of their politically correct status, will be allowed to---literally---get away with murder. Who'se going to dare bring a lawsuit against them? They'll be intimidated by the NOT into silence, and, anyway, anybody who criticizes these fine fellow in their quest to bring law and order to Miami's troubled streets is probably just anti peace and anti justice! Shame on them!

(You know that's how it's gonna be played.)

OT---Speaking of UCI, now that radical Islam is firmly ensconced in Orange County, how long do you think it's going to take before we see clashes of Moslems and beach-goers on OC beaches, just like the ones in Australia? The OC has a pretty strong beach culture too. Anybody want to make any bets as to when the first attacks start? I'm thinking this coming summer, myself. . .

129 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:40:32am
130 TalkinKamel  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:41:00am

re: #105 Sunlight

Uh-huh. Anybody who dares criticize the NOT will be smeared as being "anti-peace".

The NOT will be able to get away with murder. Nobody's going to dare go after them.

131 gman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:41:38am

This plan smells funny. There are connections going on behind the scenes here.

132 TalkinKamel  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:42:00am

re: #127 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I want to eat my waffle too.

Furthermore, this isn't helping my kids.

:>)

133 WriterMom  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:43:25am

re: #132 TalkinKamel

Is it making you truly proud to be an American, for the first time in your adult life?

134 Roger  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:43:46am

This is sanctioning one nasty group's dominance of an unprotected group

135 TalkinKamel  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:44:07am

re: #131 gman

Oh, definitely.

Somebody wants this to happen, and might be paying somebody else off, to make it happen.

136 TalkinKamel  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:45:59am

re: #133 WriterMom

Yes, for the first time in my Kamel Kareer, I am proud to be an American waffle----er, flan! An American, waffle-eating flan!

Whatever I am, I'm proud to be it! So is are my kids!

137 yochanan  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:46:00am

adding overton to my NO GO LIST.

138 WriterMom  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:46:25am
139 Roger  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:46:55am

re: #137 yochanan

You typical white person you!

140 MoonbatBane  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:47:03am

Great. Muslims enforcing "peace" (submission) while looking for "immorality" (violations of sharia law) in Miami.

So, raping of infidels OK, but women in bikinis mean they get stoned or have acid thrown on them, right? Miami becoming Malmo now. Wonder if that will be enough to rattle some of the Hollywood scum who like to vacation in Miami?

141 TalkinKamel  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:47:49am

OT---We've actually had a pretty chilly spring so far, in California. Once it warms up, however, I'm beginning to wonder if we're going to start seeing "youths" creating Australian-style beach attacks on So-Cal beaches, starting in the OC? Betcha a plate of waffles at IHOP, it's gonna happen!

142 Peter Verkooijen  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:47:51am

This is also the fruits of three decades radical black liberation theology/ideology that turned violent crime into a revolutionary act against The Man, introduced the whole f*** the police/no snitching culture, turned "ghettoes" into gang-controlled no go areas. Now the Miami police is capitulating to these groups.

143 smokefire  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:48:43am

I'm back, and while yard cleaning, this came to me, in a vision,
lol.

who would of thunk this


cmon some of you must of thought it.

144 TalkinKamel  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:49:25am

re: #140 MoonbatBane

Nothing rattles Hollywood scum. Nothing. They will defend NOT, and Islam, even as they're being stoned for "immorality." It's because of the oppressed Palestinian olive trees, and all the PC myths they thrive on.

OT---Hmmm, maybe the beach attacks are going to start in Florida, not California.

145 TalkinKamel  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:51:04am

re: #140 MoonbatBane

I'm afraid there are going to be lots of attacks on gays, too.

(Not to mention people with dogs, drinking alcohol, "immodest" women, and, of course, Jews. This is going to get very, very bad.)

146 yochanan  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:51:43am

re: #139 Roger

You typical white person you!

T. W. J. P. thank you

147 gman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:52:27am

Michelle Spence- Jones, the Miami Commissioner is no stranger to trouble:

Miami Commissioner Michelle Spence-Jones may soon be facing criminal charges, according to a report by our news partner, The Miami Herald.

According to their report, state prosecutors are investigating the commissioner and are looking at $75,000 that an anti-poverty agency gave to a business owned by Spence-Jones's mother and brothers.

Thursday, Spence-Jones had vehemently denied taking payoffs in exchange for her vote on a controversial Coconut Grove condo project next to Mercy Hospital. She expressed outrage to CBS4's Peter D'Oench during her interview, and cut a family trip to Orlando short to address allegations made in a city memo that she traded her votes for money."First of all I'd like to say that this is an absolute lie," said Spence-Jones.

148 TalkinKamel  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:52:36am

Should have said NOI, in my earlier post, not NOT; blood sugar falling. . . must---have---breakfast. . . waffles. . . WAFFLES. . . .

OT---I do think the beach attacks are coming soon, to either Florida or California, and I'm thinking this summer. . .

149 smokefire  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:52:59am

any truth to the rumor that a wall is being considered around Miami Beach, and Boca?

150 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:55:41am
151 laZardo  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:57:20am

re: #126 cygnus

What I meant to say was that they're already embarking on their primary objective to help reduce lawlessness on Miami streets.

/BHO

152 dukiecon  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:58:31am

Anyone ever see those episodes of The Wire featuring the Nation of Islam hitman? Nothing more to say on this now.

153 The Albatross  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:01:14am

Hey, I know... let's put MS-13 in suits and ties and let them help police LA.

154 Spiny Norman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:01:38am

Late to the thread, but,

Has anyone compared this to the Gambinos "keeping the peace" in Little Italy?

155 rorschach  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:05:19am

It sounds to me like we're arming our own islamist militia.

Next thing you know, we'll have hiz-boo-lah setting up cameras at Miami Int'l.

156 The Albatross  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:06:44am

re: #11 alegrias

It's a shame too, because Charlie Crist isn't a bad guy.

157 rob.schmitt  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:07:29am

No problem with seperation of Church and State. That only applies to Cristians.

158 rob.schmitt  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:08:58am

Make that *Christians!*

159 BingoBunny  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:09:59am

See Peacekeepers story a few threads back.. Peacemakers sounds a lot of the same old same old.

/2010 news story Miami: the 54th murdered drunk was dragged out of the canal northeast of Miami.. Police and Peacemakers representatives present say they can't understand whats going on.. since crime and "immorality" is way down on Miami streets.

160 cookielady  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:11:40am
Are they saying that they don’t want peace?”

You mean, as opposed to the WAR that Islam has brought to the entire world? You mean, when we figure out that if we just SUBMIT, the war is over and there is 'peace?'

Here's a clue, buddy-boy... NO, I DON'T WANT 'PEACE' WITH YOU!

161 cookielady  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:12:18am

re: #158 rob.schmitt

Please, make it separation, too. Spell Check!

162 cygnus  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:12:20am

re: #75 CEQAttorney

Actually, Harvey Dent (aka Two-Face) recently protected Gotham City when Batman, Robin and Nightwing were on hiatus.

(Yes, I am a LotR nerd and comic book nerd).

I guess even Batman needs time off once in a while.

163 cygnus  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:14:19am

re: #72 David Simon

And if they need reserves, they can call up the New Black Panther Party.

And if that doesn't work, they can contact the Mothership.

164 TalkinKamel  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:14:47am

OT---Somebody should make an Indiana Jones movie out of this: [Link: news.yahoo.com...]

165 TalkinKamel  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:16:36am

re: #159 BingoBunny

/. . . meanwhile, there was more violence on Florida beaches today, as roving bands of "youths" attacked surfers, and harassed women in bikinis. A man who uses a seeing-eye dog to get around was chased away from a popular beach, and. . .

166 Wetfun  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:17:27am

Send a note of encouragement to Mission Foods at :
[Link: qa.missionmenus.com...]

167 TalkinKamel  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:21:18am

By the way, does anybody know anything about this group, "Progessive Land Development" that's going to be in charge of these "peacekeeprs", and what their connections are?

168 bald headed geek  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:24:46am

Why not just have the KKK do patrols, too? Better yet, let's reach out to al Qaeda to see if it's available.

Geez............

BHG

169 TalkinKamel  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:26:46am

Here's another article about this: [Link: www.miamisunpost.com...]

170 TalkinKamel  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:28:40am

Looks like the head of Progressive Land Development is a guy named Rasul Mohammed, who'se headquartered at NOT's mosque #29.

171 Reluctant Democrat  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:30:52am

They're basically paying off the warlords to keep the violence down in the hood.

Not much different from Afghanistan... or Los Angeles.

172 TalkinKamel  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:39:05am

re: #171 Reluctant Democrat

Well, there are some big differences.

Don't know just what the situation is in Afghanistan (who are we paying off there?) but, in L.A., the Crips, the Bloods, the M-13 gang, whatever their other flaws, are not affiliated with a particular religion; they are not volunteering to go out and hunt for "immorality." And, while it's bad if and when the cops work with them, there's no danger of pushing somebody's religion agenda, as there is with NOT. Working with NOT is kinda like asking the Spanish Inquisition (no one expects it!) to help you with law enforcement.

This is just one more attempt to establish Shari'a law in infidel lands.

173 TalkinKamel  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:42:06am

re: #171 Reluctant Democrat

Also, I'm not so sure myself that it's ever a good idea to pay off warlords, just to keep peace in the 'hood (or anyplace else), whether NOT is involved or not. Maybe this is a strategy law enforcement really ought to reconsider. It certainly doesn't seem towork, in L.A., or anyplace else.

174 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:56:16am
The whole Peacemakers project is being based on being anti-crime, anti-immorality . . . .

Yeah, because that's just what an American city needs, Morality Police.

Remind me again just what part of the U.S. Constitution that's from.

175 Roger  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:09:27am

The Department of Vice and Virtue, DVV, eh?

176 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:19:44am

re: #175 Roger

The Department of Vice and Virtue, DVV, eh?

Just when I was sure there could not be an departmental abbreviation more odious than the DMV.

What kind of license(s) would the DVV issue? What sort of apparatus would a person have to register with them annually? Would I have to show proof of insurance for :ahem:? How many hours would I have to wait in line for said services if they were state mandated?

177 psaturn  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:19:48am

Where is ACLU decrying separation between mosques and state?

178 TalkinKamel  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:24:05am

re: #174 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, yes, you do rise a very good point. American law enforcement is not supposed to concern itself with "morality" per se, and the Constitution certainly doesn't countenance any sort of virtue militia, snooping into people's private lives, and decreeing how they should behave.

As I said, I suspect the NOI police are going to be more concerned with scantily clad women, alcohol and gays than they are with actual law and order stuff.

179 TalkinKamel  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:24:49am

re: #177 psaturn

Silly boy! The ACLU only cares about separation of CHURCH (or synagogue) and state;

It's got no problem whatsoever with mosques.

180 TalkinKamel  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:26:55am

re: #177 psaturn

Of course, if some church, say, the Church of Blessed Baldwin the Leper King, were to announce that it was going to help out to the local cops by forming a band of militant monks calling themselves "The peaceable guys" or "The Pacifist Crusaders" to keep order, and watch out for immorality, you know the ACLU would be on them like a ton of bricks. . .

181 IPLaw  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:28:13am

"Muhammad said the Peacemakers Project was going to be implemented with or without the $150,000 grant from the CRA. However, the funds will enable participants to “get paid” for their work. Five peacemakers, or squad leaders, will coordinate with more than nine volunteers to help patrol the streets “six, seven or eight hours a day,” he said."

If they get paid, all my points above are valid.

"The operators of the Peacemakers Project, according to Villacorta, “promise a reduction in drug-related activity, illegal dumping and vandalism, while increasing drug rehabilitation and community involvement.” Muhammad said the project, which was patterned after a similar program in Detroit, also consists of “knocking on doors.”"

So, tax dollars are paying to have a vile, racists, bigoted organization knock on doors? No thanks, stay the F* away from my door.

"At least four people spoke in favor of the project, including Loren Daniel, a city of Miami administrator with the Overtown Neighborhood Enhancement Team Office, who said the Peacemakers Project will provide male role models for Overtown teenagers."

So, what exactly are the values of these state-sponsored "role models"?

"Regalado said he liked that the Peacemakers Project wasn’t directly affiliated with the city of Miami. At one point, he suggested waiving the insurance requirement so it could be up and running immediately.

“They are not doing anything that could [get the city sued]?” he asked. “They are doing good things. What are they going to do, break down the doors to talk to someone?”"

Wow. Sheer, aggressive, stupidity.

182 TS  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:28:33am

OH MY GOD!

There is a kidnap/torture case involving the NOI right now. Where they pretended to be police and kidnapped some ladies after bingo night.

And notice how he said it was not only anti-crime but anti-immorality?!

Watch your backs Jews and whites! Better carry your own anti-crime prevention with ya!

183 TalkinKamel  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:33:40am

re: #182 TS

And if this program goes ahead, there'll be more incidents like this.

184 TS  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:35:11am

Oh and ABC store clerks and Quick Stop clerks....you REALLY need to watch your backs! Did they already forget these nutjobs going into stores and trashing the places because they think alcohol is immoral?

Get ready for the religious police Miami!

185 TalkinKamel  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:35:36am

re: #181 IPLaw

By the way, I'm curious, can any legal Lizards clear this up?

If one of these guys did come knocking on somebody's door, and your refused to open it to them, could that be construed as "resisting arrest", or "refusing to cooperate with the law?" Are these guys going to get badges, and/or search warrants? Seriously, how much legal authority will they actually have over ordinary citizens?

186 TalkinKamel  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:37:46am

re: #184 TS

Yes, store clerks, do watch your backs.

Reiterating my question from the above post---if these guys are just acting as ordinary citizens, are you obligated to open your door to talk them any more than you're obligated to talk to the Seven Day Adventist Missionary, or the guy trying to sell you hairbrushes? Do you have the right to turn them away? Just how far does their authority extend? If you refuse to let them in, can they come in anyway? Will they get search warrants? Are they going to be deputized?

187 lostlakehiker  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:46:53am

This will not work. Five years later, we'll be reading about the Overtown intifada, and how we need to negotiate with the insurgents rather than treat them as common criminals.

188 IPLaw  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:06:07am

#185 TalkinKamel

No, you don't have to open your door. But, what if you don't open your door because they are NOI? Is that a hate crime? What if you tell them to go jump because you think Mo was a murderous pedophile? What if they see a big I-Luv-Bush poster, or worse, an Israeli flag? If people think that lower-level NOI members are going to take insults in a polite, professional manner, they are mistaken.

What's really interesting, though, is what happens when a NOI "peacekeeper" injects himself into either a bad situation or into a crime in progress? Then ball really gets rolling then - assault, false imprisonment, false arrest, impersonating a police officer, hate crimes, liability issues, accomplice liability, state immunity, establishment clause . . . and on and on.

189 Soccer Fan  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:13:28am

My USA residence is a suburb of Fort Lauderdale and it has been about 2 years since I've been out of the country. I have a feeling that when I get back later this year things will be very different. Shouldn't be that way.

190 campisi  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:15:35am

Bad idea.
Anyone else tired of the incorrect use of the word "Peace" in this context? There's War and there's Peace - are they saying there is now War in Overtown? If so then the authorities definitely need to INVADE with the frickin army. Otherwise it's just a bunch of criminals and crime and we don't need the NOI in there to take care of criminals. Remember what the NOI did to the liquor stores in Oakland.

191 Roger  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:16:31am

re: #188 IPLaw

Where there is no oversight your door has a high probability of involuntarily opening with a jack boot.

192 Soccer Fan  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:16:34am

re: #181 IPLaw

"At least four people spoke in favor of the project, including Loren Daniel, a city of Miami administrator with the Overtown Neighborhood Enhancement Team Office, who said the Peacemakers Project will provide male role models for Overtown teenagers."

A whole 4 people? Well there's a landslide of support, we should have these teams all over the place.

193 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:37:04am

re: #191 Roger

Where there is no oversight your door has a high probability of involuntarily opening with a jack boot.

And in Florida, gun laws being what they are there, the wearer of that jack boot has a high probability of being involuntary ventilated.

194 G. Haad  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:42:57am

this good starting. next year is maybe community court with Sharia only, yes?

195 marjoriemoon  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:43:43am

re: #150 buzzsawmonkey

The Hollywood types vacation in Miami Beach, which is a spit of land connected to the mainland--and the separate city of Miami--by causeways. It is nowhere near Overtown, which is a self-enclosed enclave north of downtown Miami.

Just for the record, the Miami Herald is one of the worst written papers on the country. Not that I doubt the veracity of this particular story, but the Herald has a history of getting things quite wrong, omitting information, etc. Just saying.

Overtown is about 5-10 minute drive from the Beach and is one of Miami's poorest slums. I drive around the outskirts every day. I've only been through it once in my 30 years here, by making a wrong turn in an area tourists would most likely never be (courthouse on 2nd Ave). So they needn't worry. OTOH, Miami residents should probably worry for what it means for our future.

I wonder what influence Chief Timoney has in this. Doesn't seem like any. [Link: www.miami-police.org...]

You may remember the Miami riots back in the 80's. The Miami River Cop stories. Timoney was brought in later on to clean up an extremely corrupt department and I think he's done that. My worry would be if these Peacekeepers got into areas like Little Haiti, another densely populated Black community although much better off than Overtown. And Little Haiti is much closer to wealthier neighborhoods.

A story to follow.

196 TalkinKamel  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:48:31am

re: #188 IPLaw

And, if you do resist them, or "dis" them, are you one of those bad people who doesn't support "peace"?

You bring up some good points. These are all questions that need to be asked.

Somebody really needs to come down hard on this, and point out it's unconstitutional.

197 TalkinKamel  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:50:58am

re: #188 IPLaw

Also, what if they happen on a crime in progress---and the crime is being committed by one of their NOI brothers? Are they going to intervene, call 9/11, or just look the other way, because he is, after all, a fellow Moslem, and one of their "brothers". . .

198 thebronze  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:57:55am
Nation of Islam to Police Miami

What an EXCELLENT idea!

199 IPLaw  Wed, May 28, 2008 12:09:55pm

Mostly for fun, and because they are being paid by taxpayers to "keep the peace", they should be required to pledge an oath to uphold the Constitution.

I wonder what they'd say to that?

200 Ariana  Wed, May 28, 2008 12:26:13pm

Didn't Mussolini's Black Shirts and Hitler's Brown Shirts start off with the PR stunt of "helping" to maintain law and order? They ended up gaining greater status and the reputation of accomplishing what their governments failed to do.

We should all be suspecious whenever some fascist-type group offers to "help" establish control over a community.

201 fpxr  Wed, May 28, 2008 12:39:55pm

Yeah, this is a good idea...

Just like the time the Hell's Angels were hired by the Stones for security at Altamont in '69.

I imagine it will turn out just as well...

202 jenv  Wed, May 28, 2008 1:24:20pm

re: #38 realwest


WTF is wrong with Miami?Do they have a Republican Mayor (just curious is all)?
Do they have a Republican-controlled "City-Council" or it's equivalent?


No. Miami-Dade County is a stronghold of the Democratic Party, as are (for the most part) Broward and Palm Beach Counties.

203 jenv  Wed, May 28, 2008 1:26:52pm

re: #182 TS


There is a kidnap/torture case involving the NOI right now. Where they pretended to be police and kidnapped some ladies after bingo night.

And notice how he said it was not only anti-crime but anti-immorality?!


Raping infidel women isn't immoral or criminal under Sharia law, you racist anti-Muslim bigot! (sarcasm).

204 jenv  Wed, May 28, 2008 1:30:29pm

Does anybody else see this as government-subsidized da'wa? It's slick of the NOI to get the Miami government to pay for its campaign to convert poor blacks to NOI's brand of Islam.

205 jenv  Wed, May 28, 2008 1:32:26pm

re: #47 laZardo

I hate Florida NOIs.


The crazy's at CAIR-Tampa are even scarier.

206 stormy  Wed, May 28, 2008 1:43:37pm
Miami is spending $150,000 on a “Peacemakers” pilot program run by a nonprofit

You'd think a nonprofit would cost a little less...

207 the_flying_pig  Wed, May 28, 2008 2:49:14pm

I propose sending an email to the Miami Police Dept. requesting a formal name-change for the Peacemakers program: request that it be changed to the Commission for the Prevention of Vice and the Promotion of Virtue. Give the members turban-hats, real swords, overall clothings and required they grow beards.

208 jrbaugh  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:50:09pm

someone may have already commented on this, I didn't quite make it all the way to the end of the comments in my reading, but wasn't the media up in arms about the "vigilante" minutemen project in Texas?

209 MoonbatBane  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:57:09pm

re: #150 buzzsawmonkey

The Hollywood types vacation in Miami Beach, which is a spit of land connected to the mainland--and the separate city of Miami--by causeways. It is nowhere near Overtown, which is a self-enclosed enclave north of downtown Miami.

Ah, got it. My bad. Hollywood types DEFINITELY won't care, then, either, since they can't see past their own egos...

210 jc59  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:22:03pm

This is nothing... by Miami standards.

Back in the early 1980's the Major of Miami gave the keys to the city to a homicidal cult leader who, if I remember correctly, claimed to be God. Ever hear of the Yahweh sect?

The cult was praised by city "leaders" for being a force for good in the black community.

211 jc59  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:28:43pm

[Link: www.miamiherald.com...]

"...Oct. 7, Miami Mayor Xavier Suarez proclaimed a 'Yahweh Ben Yahweh Day.'..."

212 jc59  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:36:55pm

The link makes me nostalgic, so many familiar names, so many warm fuzzy memories.

[Link: www.miamiherald.com...]

"Yahweh told the magistrate he is represented by Miami lawyers Ellis Rubin and Alcee Hastings , the impeached federal judge."

"Dade State Attorney Janet Reno said Wednesday, however, that the federal charges do not preclude Florida murder prosecutions."

213 norar  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:02:40pm
Muhammad responded, “We are not anti-Jewish people. We are not anti-Catholic people. We are not anti-white people. The whole Peacemakers project is being based on being anti-crime, anti-immorality . . . . Are they saying that they don’t want peace?”

Is Mohammad saying that only Muslims "want peace" and are "anti-crime, anti-immorality"?

214 DoubleU  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:15:41pm

In Palm Beach county I have noticed a lot of signs that are asking people to join the Guardian Angels.

215 Ban Draoi  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:37:12pm

Do any of you remember "The turner dairies"?

The opening chapter describes a raid on the narrator's home by a group of blacks called "equality police" (if I recall correctly); that raid sets off the events that follow.

This nonsense may have the same effect.

216 kemaste  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:28:14am
Nation of Islam to Police Miami

Maybe it's their annual recruitment campaign.


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