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The Soros-McClellan Connection

Wed, May 28, 2008 at 7:28:40 pm PDT

The hat tip for this post goes to LGF reader John Williams in Texas.

The company that published Scott McClellan’s new Bush-bashing book is PublicAffairs Books, and their Editor at Large is a guy named Peter Osnos: About The Century Foundation.

The owner of PublicAffairs Books is a company called Perseus Book Group. Here’s their ownership tree: Perseus Books Home.

The firm is owned by Perseus Funds Group (holding company Perseus LLC), a capital management firm that grew from about $20 million in 1995 to over $2 billion now. Big infusions of cash seemed to help it grow exponentially, and it closed funds almost as fast as it opened them. The board has tons of liberals from the Clinton and Carter Administrations, with far-left credentials that almost put Osnos’ to shame. Their web site is here: PERSEUS - merchant bank and private equity fund management.

If you go to the New York Department of State web site and enter “Perseus” in the “Business Organization” search, you get this on page 2 of the results:

Hi, George!

UPDATE at 5/29/08 9:20:56 am:

Here’s the direct connection between Perseus Funds Group and PublicAffairs Books: PERSEUS Portfolio - Perseus Books Group.

Perseus Books is a leading publisher of non-fiction books, publishing titles under seven distinctive imprints: Basic Books, Da Capo Press, PublicAffairs, Running Press, Basic Civitas, Counterpoint, and Westview Press.

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1 DesertSage  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:29:30pm

The cream always rises to the top.

2 gopninja  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:30:32pm

not really a big deal to me honestly, soros would be near the top of my list for people willing to sell a bush embarassment

3 Alouette  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:30:39pm

re: #1 DesertSage

The cream always rises to the top.

So does the scum.

4 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:31:35pm
5 Capitalist Tool  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:31:40pm

What does Soros have on McLellan?

6 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:31:45pm

Oh, but I'm sure this didn't affect Scotty's impartiality in any way.

/

7 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:32:15pm

They really don't think that they can't be found out. Do they?

8 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:32:26pm

No surprise: Pull a leftie thread, and you'll find him on the end of it. Jackass.

9 DistantThunder  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:32:44pm

Scum settles, and it stinks, big time.

Soros - "I thought I smelled your foul stench" -Princess Leia

10 nyc redneck  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:32:58pm

soros has the perfect puppet. after he installs him, he will pull all the strings.

11 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:33:02pm

re: #5 Capitalist Tool

What does Soros have on McLellan?

Flow of money...

12 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:33:07pm

Soros is really sure that he is right. Isn't he.

13 FrogMarch  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:33:46pm

Weird weird weird. I told myself - no way- but my first instinct was that Soros' money had gotten to McClellen.

14 Capitalist Tool  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:33:53pm

re: #11 unrealizedviewpoint

Iwouldn't selll out a friend for money...

15 wanumba  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:34:03pm

Illuminata!

Used to think that was complete conspiracy fantasy crock, but the ubiquitous Soros and the filthy rich progressive Left really make one wonder.

Does Soros own a cat?

16 blutonazi98  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:34:23pm

re: #5 Capitalist Tool

What does Soros have on McLellan?

$$$$

17 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:34:34pm

Something nice to listen to while perusing this sorosspool.

18 islandlibertarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:34:43pm

If George Soros jumped off the Empire State Building holding hands with
Ahmadenjad, how long would it take for them to hit the ground?
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Who cares..................

19 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:34:51pm

re: #15 wanumba

Does Soros own a cat?

Mr. Bigglesworth.

20 FrogMarch  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:34:52pm

re: #5 Capitalist Tool

What does Soros have on McLellan?

More than likely - nothing. But everyone has a price.

21 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:35:14pm

re: #14 Capitalist Tool

Iwouldn't selll out a friend for money...

I suspect, don't know, McClellan didn't believe he had friends. Now he knows it.

22 wanumba  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:35:48pm

Was McClellan a plant from day one?

23 DistantThunder  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:36:06pm

re: #5 Capitalist Tool

What does Soros have on McLellan?

Drag any monetary denomination through capitol hill - and around the ex's - (all my ex's live in TExas - remember that song?) see what turns up.

How did a wussy like Bartlett get the press secretary gig in the first place?

He's some kind of Omega male.

24 Syrah  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:36:13pm

re: #15 wanumba

Illuminata!

Used to think that was complete conspiracy fantasy crock, but the ubiquitous Soros and the filthy rich progressive Left really make one wonder.

Does Soros own a cat?

An evil Specter if there ever was one.

25 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:36:16pm

re: #20 FrogMarch

More than likely - nothing. But everyone has a price.

I have a price.

One million dollars.

aaaahhhh eeeemmm

Oh. One hundred pause Billion dollars.

26 patrickafir  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:36:21pm

Soros is one of the worst things to happen to America in quite some time.

27 pegcity  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:36:32pm

Soros could be the bad guy in the new Bond movie

28 ceej  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:36:35pm

But... but... Karl Rove!

29 DistantThunder  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:36:46pm

re: #18 islandlibertarian

If George Soros jumped off the Empire State Building holding hands with
Ahmadenjad, how long would it take for them to hit the ground?
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Who cares..................

Too long.....

30 wanumba  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:36:49pm

re: #19 Occasional Reader

Mr. Bigglesworth.


Yikes!

31 boocat  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:37:10pm

Thank you fellow lizard John Williams!

32 Percopius  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:37:15pm

Well or course.

33 Maximu§  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:37:27pm

Any Justice Dept. officials lurking in LGF tonight? You might want to launch an investigation into this....

34 FrogMarch  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:37:48pm

McClellen is going to be very rich man.

35 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:38:41pm

re: #26 patrickafir

Soros is one of the worst things to happen to America in quite some time.

Does the fact that Soros has not met an "unfortunate accident" prove anything? I think it does.

36 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:38:43pm

re: #27 pegcity

Soros could be the bad guy in the new Bond movie

Utterly OT, but speaking of that; I was in Panama a few months ago and everyone was abuzz because they were filming part of the new Bond flick there. Thing is, they're apparently using Panama (Colon, specifically) as a stand-in for Haiti. So know you'll know when you see it... that's not really Haiti. Impress your friends...

37 jcm  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:38:46pm

re: #34 FrogMarch

McClellen is going to be very rich man.

And not from royalties.

38 islandlibertarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:39:20pm

re: #34 FrogMarch

McClellen/Faust is going to be very rich man.


..it just came to mind.....

39 GOPninja  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:39:29pm

offtopic: can anyone see my comments? have i been magicked away?

40 jcm  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:39:55pm

re: #39 GOPninja

offtopic: can anyone see my comments? have i been magicked away?

Nope don't see a thing...
/

41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:40:04pm

re: #37 jcm

YEP!

42 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:40:23pm

re: #39 GOPninja

offtopic: can anyone see my comments? have i been magicked away?

No, we cannot see your comments. You do not exist.

43 Carridine  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:40:48pm

re: #25 Fat Bastard Vegetarian A price is a PRICE, FBV!

Remember the punchline... "...we KNOW what you are, Madam, NOW we're just haggling over your price!"

Selling out is prostitution, and we need LESS of that today, don't we?

44 wanumba  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:40:53pm
The firm is owned by Perseus Funds Group, (holding company Perseus LLC) a capital management firm that grew from about $20 million in 1995 to over $2 billion now. Big infusions of cash seemed to help it grow exponentially and it closed funds almost as fast as it opened them. The board has tons of liberals from the Clinton and Carter Administrations with credentials that almost put Osnos’ to shame as far as far left causes go


Like growing money magically. Libs are outstanding at spending money, how come a board of them suddenly makes money so fast it almost appears out of thin air?

BTW, kudos for the outstanding catch!

45 J.S.  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:41:13pm

hmmm...I wonder where the intersection between McClellan and Soros arises...(Valerie Plame affair?) who published Plame?

46 nyc redneck  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:41:22pm

he has nothing better to do w/ his money. it's a game to him.
and he thinks he's the real messiah. if b.o. gets elected, he'll crush him.

47 Maximu§  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:41:59pm

re: #22 wanumba

I wonder who brought him onboard the Bush Administration?

48 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:42:23pm

re: #39 GOPninja

Nah, you're just being ignored.

(I only understand because I have been married for 25 years.)

Doesn't mean you're not loved.

49 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:43:01pm

re: #43 Carridine

DARN STRAIGHT!

50 BGOH  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:43:03pm

I subjected myself to some of Olbermann's "show" tonight because I had a hunch about the reaction that MSNBC and it's most useful idiot would have to this book. Sure enough, it was Olbermann's idea that Obama keep this book under the podium and whip it out during debates with McCain. He and his guests asked no questions of this book, it's sources, or the validity of it's claims. They simply took it as validation of every wild moonbat conspiracy they have been able to dream up over the past seven years.

George Soros got exactly what he wanted to out of this book. It lends "credence" to lefty talking points, and the MSM is going to accept it as the gospel truth. This s**t is only going to get worse before November, folks. Be prepared.

51 jcm  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:43:29pm

re: #48 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nah, you're just being ignored.

(I only understand because I have been married for 25 years.)

Doesn't mean you're not loved.

If a man speaks, and no woman hears him, is he still lying.


*ducks*

52 wanumba  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:44:20pm

re: #47 Maximu§

I wonder who brought him onboard the Bush Administration?


Sure worth asking. Bush's biggest mistake was to have been too trusting of his fellow Americans.

53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:44:32pm

Allright guys. I have to jump onto the back of Mr. Sandman. So, I'll leave you with....

G'night Grampa!

54 obscured by clouds  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:44:56pm

McClellan is a worm...the ultimate shadow warrior. A bastard, nonetheless.

55 FrogMarch  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:45:19pm

re: #37 jcm

And not from royalties.


no - not from book sales. I do expect the left-wing media to gleefully pimp the disgruntled book and left-wing book sellers will have it stacked everywhere.

56 yitzy  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:45:31pm

Why are you surprised? Don't you guys know there's a far-reaching Left Wing Conspiracy?

57 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:45:40pm

re: #53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

58 pat  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:45:41pm

The worst press secretary in the history of the White House becomes the best traitor. This doofus was over his head the first day to the last. Ignorant, slow, and illiterate. A poor combination.

59 Percopius  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:45:51pm

McClellan was not very good at his job, I thought.

60 seekeroftruth  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:45:55pm

Charles - Thanks for posting this. Thanks also to LGF reader John Williams in Texas for your research. I think we are going to see a lot more of this nonsense in this election.

61 nyc redneck  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:46:13pm

pres. bush fired him and hired tony snow.
i bet soros bought him pretty cheap.

62 Reluctant Democrat  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:46:27pm

O'Reilly said the book really didn't break any new ground, so I'm sure Scottie felt justified in accepting his 30 pieces of silver...I mean, his book advance.

His father wrote a book alleging LBJ was part of the conspiracy to kill Kennedy, so...the nut doesn't fall far from the tree, I guess.

63 NY Nana  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:46:45pm

re: #39 GOPninja

offtopic: can anyone see my comments? have i been magicked away?

/Enough with the Inviso-Text already!

64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:46:56pm

re: #58 pat

Yeah. But, he's probably smarter than me. BOW BEFORE SCOTTIE!

65 BGOH  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:46:57pm

re: #56 yitzy

Why are you surprised? Don't you guys know there's a far-reaching Left Wing Conspiracy?

AHHHHHHH! I'M SCARED! SOMEONE HOLD ME!

/hehe

66 Sharmuta  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:47:17pm

mcclellan's a back stabbing jerk- here's some info on his book.

You know, scott- if you didn't like the people you were working for, you didn't need to stick around for 3 years.

67 pat  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:47:18pm

re: #1 DesertSage

The cream always rises to the top.

So does grease.

68 Percopius  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:47:23pm

re: #56 yitzy

Why are you surprised? Don't you guys know there's a far-reaching Left Wing Conspiracy?

Lefties project. They are guilty of what they accuse you of. Like the Palistoneagemen.

69 FrogMarch  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:47:24pm

re: #50 BGOH

This will be the new left-winger bible.

70 Bloodnok  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:48:25pm

re: #64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah. But, he's probably smarter than me. BOW BEFORE SCOTTIE!

Before or after the gallon of Grand Marnier?

71 Carridine  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:48:30pm

re: #49 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Okay, we're on the same page here...

and now for SUB-urban Bangkok, because I have a history of NOT SELLING OUT! :D

Poverty sucks, FBV, but I could not take money to be part of some students' pain... at schools that were in it for the money, solely!

Anyhoo, glad you're taking a principled stand... for now, Imowdayeer.
BBiaW

72 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:48:59pm

re: #62 Reluctant Democrat

O'Reilly said the book really didn't break any new ground, so I'm sure Scottie felt justified in accepting his 30 pieces of silver...I mean, his book advance.

His father wrote a book alleging LBJ was part of the conspiracy to kill Kennedy, so...the nut doesn't fall far from the tree, I guess.

From what I've seen so far, the book seems like a yawn. So Bush "kept an eye on the polls"... golly! Unlike, say, Bill Clinton, who would never dream of doing such a thing, right?

73 nyc redneck  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:49:08pm

re: #66 Sharmuta

mcclellan's a back stabbing jerk- here's some info on his book.

You know, scott- if you didn't like the people you were working for, you didn't need to stick around for 3 years.

yes he stayed for 3 yrs. and everything was just fine and now this.
he's bought and paid for.

74 BGOH  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:49:29pm

re: #69 FrogMarch

This will be the new left-winger bible.

I think it already is. It is absolutely amazing to me how shallow and intellectually vapid liberals are. The contents of this book make them "feel" smart, and the only prerequisite for being a lefty is possessing the ability to feel.

75 RAXTSFK  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:49:41pm

He's a frakkin cylon!

76 Maximu§  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:49:42pm

If the Republicans have any Balls, they will launch Senate hearings on this tomorrow.

77 J.S.  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:50:03pm

Valerie Plame's Hubbie wrote his own book, "The Politics of Truth: Inside the Lies that Led to War and Betrayed My Wife's CIA Identity," published by Carroll & Graf in 2004...another publisher associated with Soros.

78 Percopius  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:50:25pm

re: #76 Maximu§

If the Republicans have any Balls, they will launch Senate hearings on this tomorrow.

We don't.

79 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:50:42pm

re: #50 BGOH

I subjected myself to some of Olbermann's "show" tonight because I had a hunch about the reaction that MSNBC and it's most useful idiot would have to this book. Sure enough, it was Olbermann's idea that Obama keep this book under the podium and whip it out during debates with McCain. He and his guests asked no questions of this book, it's sources, or the validity of it's claims. They simply took it as validation of every wild moonbat conspiracy they have been able to dream up over the past seven years.

George Soros got exactly what he wanted to out of this book. It lends "credence" to lefty talking points, and the MSM is going to accept it as the gospel truth. This s**t is only going to get worse before November, folks. Be prepared.

I wasn't aware John McCain worked for George Bush and I don't see the link between McCain and Katrina. I doubt McCain was doing much blow with the president either. Also, McCain doesn't hang out too much with Dick, Scooter and Carl. I'm not so concerned about a book rehashing old stories most of the world is done with and wouldn't buy if not for a liberal publisher providing indirect air and promotion. He sold out. /end of subj.

80 hepcat  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:50:45pm

I see Richard Holbrooke shows up awfully quick...
[Link: www.perseusllc.com...]

81 Israel4ever  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:51:02pm

here's Scott's agent: [Link: www.thewileyagency.com...]

he represents conservative writers it looks like...who is Ron Silver? (sorry, gotta do wiki on that one)

82 mitthrawnurdo  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:51:04pm

re: #72 Occasional Reader

You've got it all wrong...

You see, when a Democrat follows the polls, they are just doing "the people's interest" while if a Republican does that, they are just "shamelessly pandering".

/heads I win, tales you lose.

83 gman  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:51:06pm

Perseus Books has another gem in their collection /

The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder

Famed Charles Manson prosecutor and three-time #1 New York Times bestselling author Vincent Bugliosi has written the most powerful, explosive, and thought-provoking book of his storied career. In The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder, Bugliosi presents a tight, meticulously researched legal case that puts George W. Bush on trial in an American courtroom for the murder of nearly 4,000 American soldiers fighting the war in Iraq. Bugliosi sets forth the legal architecture and incontrovertible evidence that President Bush took this nation to war in Iraq under false pretenses-a war that has not only caused the deaths of American soldiers but also over 100,000 innocent Iraqi men, women, and children; cost the United States over one trillion dollars thus far with no end in sight; and alienated many American allies in the Western world

84 jaunte  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:51:13pm

Here's another connection:
"The Politics of Truth: A Diplomat's Memoir: Inside the Lies that Led to War and Betrayed My Wife's CIA Identity"
By Joe Wilson
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
Published by PublicAffairs
[Link: www.publicaffairsbooks.com...]
Peter Osnos, Founder and Editor-at-Large

85 FrogMarch  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:51:22pm

Related quote from Glenn's:

UPDATE: Clayton Cramer: "Still, I find myself asking this rather serious question: if, as McClellan says, he could see that Bush was intentionally misleading the nation into war back then, why didn't McClellan say anything? Why didn't he quit his job and blow the whistle? . . . It makes me wonder how much of this is that McClellan is trying to sell a book." Yes, it's hard to decide whether he comes off worse if he's lying, or if he's telling the truth.

MORE: Indeed: "It's not the disloyalty that bothers me. It's the press suddenly finding wisdom in a guy they previously disregarded as stupid and unreliable. It's inevitable that critical Bush-era memoirs will come out, but written by smarter people. I'll read those."

86 BGOH  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:51:22pm

re: #76 Maximu§

If the Republicans have any Balls, they will launch Senate hearings on this tomorrow.

I think we're going to have to wait for Palin and Jindal to mature a bit before this party grows any balls.

87 MrTunes  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:51:58pm

Click on the link for Public Affairs Books and you will find a books by Soros as well as by John & Teresa Kerry.

Move along, nothing to see here.

What a joke.

88 jcm  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:52:09pm

We know this is exclusive to LGF.

How long before talk radio (Hannity) "breaks" the story.

What are the chances this will ever see a MSM outlet?

89 pat  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:52:20pm

re: #81 Israel4ever

actor, reality based, moderate

90 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:52:28pm

re: #72 Occasional Reader

From what I've seen so far, the book seems like a yawn. So Bush "kept an eye on the polls"... golly! Unlike, say, Bill Clinton, who would never dream of doing such a thing, right?

Not to mention that the idea that Bush launched the Iraq war for political gain is laugh-out-loud idiotic. In the wake of the quick takedown of the Taliban/AQ axis in Afghanistan, Bush's approval rating was, what, in the 70s or so? Rove doubtless told him that it just doesn't get any better than that. Iraq represented ONLY downside risk for Bush in terms of political gain.

91 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:52:29pm

I don't really see anything nefarious here. McLellan called it like it is.

- Bush relies on his "gut" at least as much as his brain - that's not news.
- Bush isn't reflective, and everybody suffers for it - we knew that.
- Bush doesn't plan - we knew that too.
- His advisors and cabinet suck - check.
- They BS'ed us with a WMD media blitz on Iraq because WMD was the only angle they could sell - yup. Wolfowitz admitted as much.
- They f-cked up post-victory Iraq because, like typical Americans, they assumed everyone would love us and hey, we fixed Afghanistan, right? This shit will be easy! - also not news.

Either Mcwhatever has been a Sorosian tool from the beginning, or he's telling it like he saw it, and he knew the guy who'd write the biggest paycheck for Bush-bashing would be The Other George.

His assessment is truthful. His timing and delivery is tasteless.

92 Percopius  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:52:38pm

re: #83 gman

I have seen the future, and it is ridiculous.

93 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:52:46pm

re: #69 FrogMarch

This will be the new left-winger bible.

Why because it was written by a Judas? Let's see and read the thing before jumping to conclusions. All I've heard is it's empty, rehashing the old.

94 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:52:47pm

The Emperior has no clothes on ,for real!:(

95 Capitalist Tool  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:52:48pm

re: #77 J.S.

Valerie Plame's Hubbie wrote his own book, "The Politics of Truth: Inside the Lies that Led to War and Betrayed My Wife's CIA Identity," published by Carroll & Graf in 2004...another publisher associated with Soros.

And another pack of lies!

96 solomonpanting  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:53:51pm

re: #47 Maximu§

I wonder who brought him onboard the Bush Administration?

I hear it was Karen Hughes.

97 Killian Bundy  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:53:54pm

re: #88 jcm

We know this is exclusive to LGF.

/actually, someone of Fox mentioned the Soros connection this afternoon

98 saberry0530  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:53:59pm

re: #18 islandlibertarian

If George Soros jumped off the Empire State Building holding hands with
Ahmadenjad, how long would it take for them to hit the ground?
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
Who cares..................

Too Long for most people

99 Capitalist Tool  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:54:06pm

re: #83 gman

Fuck.
Them.

100 lawhawk  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:54:12pm

You know, if McClellan hadn't taken the spin that he has, not only wouldn't he have gotten the kind of attention from publishers that he did, but he wouldn't have nearly the press he's getting now.

He had to throw this kind of nonsense out there.

Who would want to hear from someone from the Administration who not only supports what happened, but who confirms and conforms to the Bush desire for loyalty over much else (including competence).

Heck, folks aren't paying attention to Doug Feith's book, despite the fact that many consider him the architect of the Iraq pre-war strategy. You'd think that he'd get reviewed and judged accordingly, but his book will likely find itself on the discount bin before long despite his role in the administration.

All because he lacks the hook that the publishers want.

McClellan is simply giving the publishers what they want, and he's getting what he wants in return. A nice book deal.

Take it for what that's worth.

101 Dave the.....  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:54:27pm
re: #5 Capitalist Tool

What does Soros have on McLellan?

$$$$

Yeah, I always wondered about the Vietnam vets who toured with Kerry in 2004. But that was the decision I made. Not so much cash payments, but the idea that they can fly around the country in jets, eat at the best places, stay in the nicest hotels, all paid for my the Kerry campaign.

102 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:54:30pm

re: #91 Pawn of the Oppressor

Wolfowitz admitted as much.

Link, please?

103 windhorse  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:54:42pm

McClellan..... you have nothing without your honor..... and baby... you are severely lacking in honor.

104 bluegrassredstate  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:54:53pm

is mcclellan too stupid to have actually written the book?

105 pat  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:55:06pm

When you are a liberal, you do not have to work for a living. Basement, to Borders, to Politics, to the wealth amassed by Fascists.

106 The Shadow Do  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:55:08pm

I almost feel sorry foir McClellan. I think he was in way over his head from day one, in an elevated position only on the strength of his personal relationship with the President. Instead of leaving gracefully and with the gratitude he no doubt owed, he instead sold all personal honor and family dignity for a few dirty bucks. You don't outlive that kind of thing.

107 FrogMarch  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:55:13pm

re: #93 unrealizedviewpoint

Why because it was written by a Judas? Let's see and read the thing before jumping to conclusions. All I've heard is it's empty, rehashing the old.

True. I don't plan on reading it but we already know it's about a disgruntled press secretary who thought Bush bungled the war. The left live and breath for that shit. S'all I'm saying.

108 jcm  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:55:33pm

re: #83 gman

Perseus Books has another gem in their collection /

The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder

This goes right in the trash:
Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy

If the same guy reasons that GWB could be prosecuted for murder, I can't trust his reasoning re: JFK.

109 Dave the.....  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:55:40pm
re: #76 Maximu§

If the Republicans have any Balls, they will launch Senate hearings on this tomorrow.

We don't.

If President Bush had balls, he would defend his policies. Go to the public and explain why he does what he does. Instead all we hear is the Bush haters bashing the President.

110 BGOH  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:55:42pm

re: #91 Pawn of the Oppressor

I've seen snippets of this book. From the little bit that I've seen, it is chock full of half-truths and outright distortions. I don't think anyone can sit there and claim that this book is truthful, but suffers from "bad timing." That's just dumb.

111 philosoteric  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:55:43pm

They're all connected. If nothing more then by sheer dogmatism.

112 mineral  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:55:49pm

The SEC has loads of links between Soros and Perseus, but you don't even have to go that far.

Google Soros and Osmos, and let the fun begin.

Here's the first link:

Osnos/Soros ABA/BEA Do-Si-Do
by Staff, PW Daily for Booksellers -- Publishers Weekly, 2/11/2005
The keynote speaker during the ABA's day of educational programming the Thursday before BEA opens will be George Soros, the financier, who will be interviewed by Peter Osnos, publisher and CEO of PublicAffairs. The theme of the day is how booksellers can both be socially conscious and run a profitable business.

113 jcm  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:56:12pm

re: #97 Killian Bundy

/actually, someone of Fox mentioned the Soros connection this afternoon

Awwww. *snaps fingers*

114 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:56:44pm

re: #106 The Shadow Do
I think it is more ,my name in History!:(

115 Capitalist Tool  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:57:39pm

Someone said today that McLellan was shafted by his editor/ghost writer and that Scott M. hadn't meant to have it come out like that. Think it was on Hannity.
/I know you think you understand what you think I said...

116 DesertSage  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:58:08pm

This whole thing may just backfire on Soros and the Lefties.

All of this Bush bashing for the past 5 years has reached a saturation point. That's the point where you start seeing a backlash. Maybe not a big backlash, but enough of one where McCain may benefit from it and Soros will be denied the presidency once again.

117 Maximu§  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:58:10pm

Perseus Funds Group, (holding company Perseus LLC) a capital management firm

I'm wonder just how much damage this little company has done to America?

118 jcm  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:58:43pm

re: #117 Maximu§

Perseus Funds Group, (holding company Perseus LLC) a capital management firm

I'm wonder just how much damage this little company has done to America?

Pernicious Fund, more aptly named.

119 winston06  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:59:10pm

good find. Why does Comrade Soros hate the country that has sheltered him and helped him become rich?

120 mattm  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:59:19pm

I once read a book published by Persus. A LLL Professor assigned it. The authors tried to disprove any studies that disagreed with their view by saying According to the XYZ "study," which was based on false information, etc.

121 Dave the.....  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:59:31pm

There is also this idea......perhaps Pres Bush did fanagle to get Iraq invaded. But his goal was to rid the world of a ruthless dictator and supporter of terrorism.

I don't hate Roosevelt for breaking US law by "loaning" weapons to England in 1940.

122 jaunte  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:59:45pm

More from Public Affairs:
MY GUANTANAMO DIARY
The Detainees and the Stories They Told Me
MAHVISH KHAN
[Link: www.publicaffairsbooks.com...]

123 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:59:54pm

Everyone needs to put this as a news item on Drudge.

Hell yeah!

John Williams in Texas, excellent.

Charles, your the man.

124 DesertSage  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:00:42pm

re: #119 winston06

good find. Why does Comrade Soros hate the country that has sheltered him and helped him become rich?

He can afford to hate this country, all of his money is sheltered offshore.

125 nyc redneck  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:00:47pm

soros is trying to buy the presidency for obama. he wants him in that bad.
is soros even a citizen of this country?

126 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:00:51pm

re: #116 DesertSage
They are trying to say mcCAIN IS THE NEXT BUSH, Third term!:(

127 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:00:58pm

re: #116 DesertSage

This whole thing may just backfire on Soros and the Lefties.

All of this Bush bashing for the past 5 years has reached a saturation point. That's the point where you start seeing a backlash. Maybe not a big backlash, but enough of one where McCain may benefit from it and Soros will be denied the presidency once again.

He may not get in this time, but, he'll get in. Does he own a cat?

128 NY Nana  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:01:01pm

re: #1 DesertSage

The cream always rises to the top.

Is that your way of getting around posting that you are Number One? ;)

129 gman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:01:04pm

re: #108 jcm

This goes right in the trash:
Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy

If the same guy reasons that GWB could be prosecuted for murder, I can't trust his reasoning re: JFK.

Look at the editorial review of the JFK book by Publishers Weekly. Apparently, George forgot to pay them:

Bugliosi is not always temperate in his language; for example, twice he makes the nonsensical claim that some Warren Commission critics "were screaming the word conspiracy before the fatal bullet had come to rest." His decision to devote twice as many pages to critiquing Oliver Stone's movie JFK as to his chapter on organized crime (identified by the chief counsel of the House Select Committee on Assassination as the likely conspirators) is a curious one, as is the choice to open the book with a dramatic re-creation of events surrounding the assassination rather than a straightforward chronology of the relevant facts/blockquote>

I smell moonbat!

130 Capitalist Tool  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:01:16pm

re: #119 winston06

good find. Why does Comrade Soros hate the country that has sheltered him and helped him become rich?

He's a smart sociopath.

131 The Shadow Do  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:01:24pm

re: #114 beachkatie

I think it is more ,my name in History!:(

Perhaps in his imagination. Truth is he will be a very obscure footnote in less than a month. A shame really.

132 Sharmuta  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:02:00pm

re: #119 winston06

Because he's "progressive" and the goal of the progressives is to make a "better" society.

133 Shaky Louie  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:02:15pm

Q: Is it true? Is Soros the main $ behind dailykommunist?
(I mean - kos)

It wouldn't surprise me.

134 Capitalist Tool  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:02:15pm

re: #126 beachkatie

They are trying to say mcCAIN IS THE NEXT BUSH, Third term!:(

"They" are calling him McSame.

135 The Shadow Do  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:02:43pm

re: #119 winston06

good find. Why does Comrade Soros hate the country that has sheltered him and helped him become rich?

Because he doesn't own it. Yet.

136 Cognito  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:03:07pm

Interesting.

I saw the McClellan story earlier and thought, "Huh, I wonder why one of the big houses didn't publish this book..."

Guess Scott already had a buyer.

137 DesertSage  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:03:33pm

re: #128 NY Nana

Is that your way of getting around posting that you are Number One? ;)

No Nana :')

My mother always used to say that, meaning the truth always comes out.

I'm off to see PBJ and Mr. PBJ.

138 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:03:50pm

Folks, submit the link for this down on the right side of the page.

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

139 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:04:25pm

re: #131 The Shadow Do
I re: #131 The Shadow Do

fOR SURE !

140 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:04:35pm

re: #102 Occasional Reader

Transcript of Wolfowitz's interview in Vanity Fair

"Wolfowitz: No, I think it happens to be correct. The truth is that for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on which was weapons of mass destruction as the core reason, but -"

He elaborated on this elsewhere (can't find the second interview), but basically he said that everybody had a laundry list of reasons to take out Saddam, and WMD was the only one that was at the top of everybody's list.

141 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:05:04pm

re: #138 formercorpsman

Folks, submit the link for this down on the right side of the page.

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

Has Drudge ever linked to LGF?
I don't think so.

142 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:05:13pm

I told you guys earlier that the Scott McClellan book had Soros' fingerprints on it. I was only half kidding.

Just how many Perseus-Soros companies ARE there?

143 The Shadow Do  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:05:15pm

Soros is to America as a rapist is to women.

144 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:05:25pm

re: #136 Cognito

Cognito, to me, this is massive.

This is close to election tampering.

145 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:05:32pm

If we dug deep would we find
PERSEUS-SOROS PRESIDENT OBAMA LLP

146 gman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:05:33pm

re: #119 winston06

good find. Why does Comrade Soros hate the country that has sheltered him and helped him become rich?

I think he derives a tremendous sense of power and importance from bashing the most powerful country in the world. It is one- upmanship in the most perverted sense

147 Dave the.....  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:05:51pm
re: #126 beachkatie

They are trying to say mcCAIN IS THE NEXT BUSH, Third term!:(

"They" are calling him McSame.

If you want to be childish like me, I retort by referring to B Hussien Obama as Nancy Pelosi's puppet. He only does what San Fran Nan and her San Francisco values dictate. May not be true, but it makes the liberals go crazy when you say that.

148 The Shadow Do  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:06:14pm

re: #136 Cognito

Interesting.

I saw the McClellan story earlier and thought, "Huh, I wonder why one of the big houses didn't publish this book..."

Guess Scott already had a buyer.

Follow the money, as always.

149 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:07:16pm

re: #141 unrealizedviewpoint

Actually, I could be wrong, but I think Charles may have referred to it before as a drudgealanche.

Either way, this is an excellent find, and if anyone should get the credit, well that goes without saying.

As per my first comment in the thread.

150 ContraJihadi  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:07:40pm

re: #59 Percopius

McClellan was not very good at his job, I thought.

Much less effective than Ari Fleischer, but that raises the question, Why did Ari quit?

We lizards know that Bush was to be preferred over Gore or Kerry, but we must suspect that Bush is a very flawed man. Do you all remember WH news conferences with AF? It was clear that he had to say things that he knew were not the untarnished, silver-shining truth. And it became clear that he was not comfortable saying such things. (This is not, however, to diminish his excellent efforts to deflate the sheer hatefulness of the press corps.)

151 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:07:51pm

The worms and insects believe themselves safe, hiding under their rocks, but the Lizard Army will always root them out. It brings a tear to my eye, it does.

Great work Mr. Williams, thank you for your service.

/time to bring the F.O.A.D. back, I think

152 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:08:11pm

re: #147 Dave the.....You are so right on man!:0!

153 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:08:44pm

re: #110 BGOHWho said anything about bad timing? When is it a good time to disparage your former employer?

Answer: In print, with your own words and your own name, immediately after you resign in protest.

If this was totally ghost-written, I bet he got a fat check from Soros up front and might not have known who he was dealing with...

154 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:09:15pm

re: #142 really grumpy big dog Johnson

It really makes you think.

This shit is amazing.

155 NY Nana  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:09:30pm

re: #119 winston06

He is totally amoral. The definition of 'amoral' should say 'Soros'.

156 pingjockey  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:09:33pm

Scotty is a girlie man. No honor, no cajones, no nuthin'.

157 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:09:51pm

re: #149 formercorpsman

Actually, I could be wrong, but I think Charles may have referred to it before as a drudgealanche.

Either way, this is an excellent find, and if anyone should get the credit, well that goes without saying.

As per my first comment in the thread.

Maybe I'm really dense. I just don't see the magnitude of this story. Come Monday we'll all know the publisher.

158 bluegrassredstate  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:10:13pm

well here are 6 other fun books by perseus.

they have some stuff that appears to be unbiased or whatever, but it probably isn't . . .

159 Racer X  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:10:30pm

The Celtics and Pistons are putting on a clinic in futility.

The Lakers will obliterate either one of these teams.

160 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:10:43pm

John Williams, you're a great man.

161 brainwizard73  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:10:52pm

Soros probably promised McCellan a date with some Hollywood hottie...

...Geena Davis
...Madonna
...Sean Penn

162 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:10:55pm

re: #126 beachkatie

They are trying to say mcCAIN IS THE NEXT BUSH, Third term!:(

Barack has been saying that very same thing in his speeches.

163 Electron Shuffler  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:11:13pm

Thank you John Williams! Good Work!

Even tho he's on tape delay here Mark Levin ripped Scott McClellan a new one.

Time for Bed! 23:00 on the East Coast.

164 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:11:33pm

re: #140 Pawn of the Oppressor

Transcript of Wolfowitz's interview in Vanity Fair

"Wolfowitz: No, I think it happens to be correct. The truth is that for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on which was weapons of mass destruction as the core reason, but -"

He elaborated on this elsewhere (can't find the second interview), but basically he said that everybody had a laundry list of reasons to take out Saddam, and WMD was the only one that was at the top of everybody's list.

And the problem with that is...? This is a far cry from "admitting" it was "B.S.".

As John Keegan pointed out; even if the CIA had achieved 100% penetration of Saddam's general staff, they would have gotten the same information; all Saddam's generals believed that there was a secret WMD stash, they just all believed that someone else controlled it. WMD was "made" the headline reason because it WAS the headline reason. But Bush laid out the entire case, time and again.

165 pingjockey  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:11:41pm

re: #161 brainwizard73
Hah! he's gonna get a date with Spiccoli!

166 NY Nana  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:11:43pm

re: #137 DesertSage

My mother always used to say that, meaning the truth always comes out.

I'm off to see PBJ and Mr. PBJ.

So did mine!

Give them my best.....enjoy!

167 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:11:51pm

re: #154 formercorpsman
the Lizard army has to be ready in near future to take care of business in our country! Be there!:)

168 SnakeSpit  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:12:24pm

re: #3 Alouette

So does the scum.


Turds float too.

169 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:12:24pm

re: #157 unrealizedviewpoint

OK, my point about submission, is having recognition.

Correct, it will be news.

I would not know John Williams to trip over him. However, he has taken some time to do what the professionals should be doing once this became a rumor.

I see nothing wrong, at all, with trying to shine a light on Charles, and the folks here, because of it.

Is this wrong?

170 WayDownSouthInBama  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:12:33pm

Soros? Hey,turn over enough rocks.... Soros did say he was willing to spend quite a sum of money to get Bush out of office. Remember,he didn't say HOW he was going to spend it.

171 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:12:39pm

Time for bed. Good night.

172 brainwizard73  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:12:42pm

re: #165 pingjockey

Hah! he's gonna get a date with Spiccoli!

It just never gets old ripping some of these people...its like the gift that keeps on giving.

173 jaunte  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:13:42pm

More background thinking from PublicAffairs about "root causes." (Because the conflict is about what we do, you see).


"The many conflicts in the Middle East—in Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Palestine, and Israel—all have their special features, but they also interact with one another. Conveying this interaction has been one challenge of this book. Another has been to acknowledge the importance of the issues connected with American policies in the Middle East, and the strong feelings they excite, without getting lost in polemics. The polarization of opinion is often reflected in books that are seen as being for or against Israel, sympathetic to the Iraq War, or unremittingly hostile, cynical, or forgiving about official motives."


A CHOICE OF ENEMIES
America Confronts the Middle East
LAWRENCE FREEDMAN
[Link: www.publicaffairsbooks.com...]

174 ContraJihadi  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:13:53pm

re: #167 beachkatie

the Lizard army has to be ready in near future to take care of business in our country! Be there!:)

I agree with you in spirit, but I am 61 years old and never the most athletic of men. Perhaps the future resistance will need clerks.

175 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:13:53pm

re: #171 Occasional Reader
Sweet dream to ya!

176 pingjockey  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:14:19pm

re: #172 brainwizard73
It is too damn easy. Not a one of that hollyweird bunch has the smarts to pour sand out of a boot even with instructions printed on the sole.

177 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:15:02pm

re: #174 ContraJihadi
Just vote !:)

178 brainwizard73  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:15:16pm

Quick all you politico wonks out there:

What is the over under on the number of times that the phrase "speaking truth to power" will be used on MSNBC before the end of business on Sunday?

I think I would set the number at 158.

179 mich-again  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:15:52pm

This looks like Soros latest attempt to sidestep American laws. The "business" doesn't get reported as a political organization, so George can sink millions and millions into his propaganda machine without all those pesky McCain-Feingold forms to fill out.

180 The Shadow Do  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:16:01pm

re: #157 unrealizedviewpoint

Maybe I'm really dense. I just don't see the magnitude of this story. Come Monday we'll all know the publisher.

I think the import is that this is yet another note in the recurrent theme best expressed in the Dan Rather concerto of the last election. This is dirty politics, dirty money at work. McClellan is just another tool. In the old days the CIA expression was "trick fuck". We will be seeing a lot more of this and it is imperative that every instance of said TF be exposed ASAP.

181 ContraJihadi  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:16:14pm

re: #177 beachkatie

That much I can do and have done.

182 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:16:17pm

re: #155 NY Nana

He is totally amoral. The definition of 'amoral' should say 'Soros'.

Even his last name is an anagram. Soros was probably so pissed about how the Wilson-Plame affair turned out that he just had to get back at the GOP, at any cost. Notice the "liberal" mention of that affair in the news tonight?

It's no accident. Wilson-Plame was Soro's grand plan to bring down the triumphirate of Bush/Cheney/Rove, and it failed miserably.

183 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:16:19pm

re: #169 formercorpsman

Oh no. You are not, nor could you be wrong in this matter my friend.

184 brainwizard73  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:16:50pm

re: #174 ContraJihadi

I agree with you in spirit, but I am 61 years old and never the most athletic of men. Perhaps the future resistance will need clerks.

Hey, all armies need supply sarge's.

185 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:17:34pm
186 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:18:11pm

re: #150 ContraJihadi

Actually, Fleisher went held numerous press conferences just about everyday after 9/11 for what? A year?
My guess is with the Iraq war having just started a couple of months before he resigned, he could see he'd go through the same thing again, numerous press conferences on a daily basis.
MacClellan had been his deputy for 2 1/2 years, so he decided he didn't want to go through that again, especially since he had just got married.

187 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:18:46pm

re: #176 pingjockeyAmen to that! But it is Hollywood elite that are socialist!

188 brainwizard73  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:18:53pm

re: #179 mich-again

This looks like Soros latest attempt to sidestep American laws. The "business" doesn't get reported as a political organization, so George can sink millions and millions into his propaganda machine without all those pesky McCain-Feingold forms to fill out.

You obviously didn't get the memo: We have taken money out of politics.

Go back to your cave, you hill-country troglodyte, and let me eat a waffle!

189 Bill Jefferson  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:19:14pm

Scott's brother Mark, former FDA commish, landed at the left-leaning Brookings Institution and heads the Engelberg health care reform initiative there.

190 Cognito  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:19:44pm

Well, the Rachael Ray Dunkin' Donuts story has hit the front page of Yahoo...

191 gman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:20:05pm

re: #123 formercorpsman

Everyone needs to put this as a news item on Drudge.

Hell yeah!

John Williams in Texas, excellent.

Charles, your the man.

I just submitted this to Drudge. Let's get the word out!

192 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:20:14pm

I'm anxiously awaiting my 1st real meal in weeks; Lamb, taters, salad. I can't stand another microwaved single serving meal.
/Kitchen remodeling.

193 brainwizard73  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:20:36pm

re: #189 Bill Jefferson

Scott's brother Mark, former FDA commish, landed at the left-leaning Brookings Institution and heads the Engelberg health care reform initiative there.

After this dust-up, the only job Scott will be able to get will be changing urinal cakes at the Brookings Institution...oh, but they are all low-flo...don't worry.

194 ContraJihadi  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:20:47pm

re: #184 brainwizard73

re: #184 brainwizard73

Hey, all armies need supply sarge's.

Where do I sign?

Seriously, I'll soon relocate from this insane Marin County, otherwise known as Barbara Boxer land, to a somewhat more patriotic part of California (relatively speaking, you understand). There I'll welcome any lizard help in making contacts.

/Reporting for duty with pencil and clipboard in hand--or is it laptop and spreadsheet?

195 big L  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:21:00pm

73 nyc redneck- yes scott stayed 3 yrs with all these disagreements---and Obama stayed 20 yrs listening to REv Wright...only later realizing there were things said that OTHERS did not like.

196 Racer X  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:21:17pm

re: #190 Cognito

Well, the Rachael Ray Dunkin' Donuts story has hit the front page of Yahoo...

news.google too.

197 LeonidasOfSparta  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:21:21pm

re: #180 The Shadow Do

amen, Shadow. Pathetic tricks by pathetic desperate little men.

TF indeed. I surely hope, as you say, that each TF is exposed for what it is, and those perpetrating said TF are exposed for who they are, and their entire house of TF cards tumbles down before election day.

198 stevieray  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:21:53pm

re: #150 ContraJihadi

Much less effective than Ari Fleischer, but that raises the question, Why did Ari quit?

We lizards know that Bush was to be preferred over Gore or Kerry, but we must suspect that Bush is a very flawed man. Do you all remember WH news conferences with AF? It was clear that he had to say things that he knew were not the untarnished, silver-shining truth. And it became clear that he was not comfortable saying such things. (This is not, however, to diminish his excellent efforts to deflate the sheer hatefulness of the press corps.)

I think it had more to do with job burn-out than anything else. Dealing with the press on a daily basis has got to be draining... especially as the voice of a Republican administration.

199 solomonpanting  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:21:56pm

McClellan’s father had to resign from the Texas Bar. Perhaps the son inherited some ill-fitting genes.

200 BGOH  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:22:02pm

re: #153 Pawn of the Oppressor

Who said anything about bad timing? When is it a good time to disparage your former employer?

Answer: In print, with your own words and your own name, immediately after you resign in protest.

If this was totally ghost-written, I bet he got a fat check from Soros up front and might not have known who he was dealing with...

I think I may have read your post a bit hastily, and I'm sorry. Sometimes I try to read these fast moving posts too fast and I end up zoning a bit.

I honestly wonder if Scott was just hard up for cash and took a ghost-written book deal on a small lib-tard, Soros funded publishing company believing that people would be able to see right through it. I guess the appearances on the Today Show and Olbermann's nightly travesty blow that whole theory out the window, though.

There is absolutely no way McClellan comes out of this with anything even resembling a shred of credibility.

201 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:22:11pm

re: #180 The Shadow Do

I think the import is that this is yet another note in the recurrent theme best expressed in the Dan Rather concerto of the last election. This is dirty politics, dirty money at work. McClellan is just another tool. In the old days the CIA expression was "trick fuck". We will be seeing a lot more of this and it is imperative that every instance of said TF be exposed ASAP.

I follow, and agree.. I guess.
Yet, by the end of next week the traitor will have his retirement in the bag, and we and MoveOn will have moved on.

202 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:22:28pm

re: #192 Killgore Trout

Killgore, my damn reply earlier was an actual laugh with soda hitting my sinuses after reading your post.

203 big L  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:22:37pm

-time for the "blinking memo" of the Corporate management list....

204 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:22:39pm

Socialists hate McCain, endorse Obama....
Socialist Party VP nominee calls McCain “reckless” on Iran

The ongoing reckless statements by Senator McCain are another indication that the Republican presidential frontrunner is mapping a road to the White House by staying the course that has been paved by President Bush; a course that will continue to advance U.S. imperialism, a course that will continue to benefit the rich at the expense of working people, and a course that has spiraled the U.S. economy into the worst recession since the Great Depression.

Stewart A. Alexander
Nominee for Vice President Socialist Party USA
Candidate for Vice President Peace and Freedom Party

Shocka!

205 ridemedic  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:22:53pm

John Williams, well done!
They can't hide, we can find 'em . . ...
There are no caves left to hide in, lefties!

206 BGOH  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:23:29pm

re: #190 Cognito

Well, the Rachael Ray Dunkin' Donuts story has hit the front page of Yahoo...

It was just on my local 11:00 news, too. Bravo to Charles and Michelle for pushing that story out into the open!

207 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:23:50pm

re: #192 Killgore Trout
Are you on that Nutrasystem DIET? iT TAKES BALL'S TO LOSE THIS WEIGHT!

208 mich-again  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:23:59pm

re: #188 brainwizard73

You obviously didn't get the memo: We have taken money out of politics.

Ha. Really, McCain Feingold went after the grass roots organizations that get a million people to give $10 each. Special Interests: Bad! Now, as for the Billionaire who writes a check for $10 million to a political cause, hey no problem there.

209 seekeroftruth  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:24:00pm

re: #169 formercorpsman

I think you are exactly right.
Take a look at this link - Wexler wants McClellan to testify before Congress about his book. Not a big jump to see where this is going - What a great way to take the eye off of Obama the Giant Gaffe Machine.

[Link: www.palmbeachpost.com...]

U.S. Rep. Robert Wexler, who has relentlessly pushed for impeachment proceedings against Vice President Dick Cheney, says former White House press secretary Scott McClellan should be compelled to testify before a congressional committee regarding the allegations made in McClellan’s tell-all book about the Bush administration.

“The admissions made by Scott McClellan in his new book are earth-shattering and allege facts to establish that Karl Rove and Scooter Libby - and possibly Vice President Cheney - conspired to obstruct justice by lying about their role in the Plame Wilson matter and that the Bush administration deliberately lied to the American people in order to take us to war in Iraq,” Wexler said in a statement.

210 Israel4ever  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:24:17pm

reading Scott's agent's website, he says that this book deal was the "biggest in this publisher's history"

wonder how much that is?

211 jaunte  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:24:59pm

Exposing Washington's spinning permanent campaign
Didn't we read this story about the "permanent campaign" back in the Clinton years?
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

212 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:27:17pm

re: #207 beachkatie That isn;t the way i would have said it! really!:)

213 Adrenalyn  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:27:33pm

anyone else notice the editors name spelled backwards

Osnos is "so N so"
when my mamma called someone a so n' so
it meant she was saying they were a fucker

214 nyc redneck  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:27:51pm

it's essentially a soros vanity press.
how embarrassing for mcclellan

215 The Shadow Do  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:27:55pm

re: #201 unrealizedviewpoint

I follow, and agree.. I guess.
Yet, by the end of next week the traitor will have his retirement in the bag, and we and MoveOn will have moved on.

True. Though McClellan will have lost all friends and all honor. And the Lefties will have lost another talking point.

Get ready for the next one 'cause it is sure to be coming.

216 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:27:55pm

re: #210 Israel4ever

reading Scott's agent's website, he says that this book deal was the "biggest in this publisher's history"

wonder how much that is?

I'd never heard of them before. Has anybody here heard of them? What else have they published?

217 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:28:16pm

re: #209 seekeroftruth

Bingo.

And Pelosi jumped on it, Obama has commented on it.

It tells me this is all orchestrated, and you can't tell me this is not about setting up the pins, and letting them get knocked down.

I will never defend Larry Craig, or that other Republican douche with the Paige scandal, but this was information they held.

Gotcha politics, fine.

Financing by folks who manipulate currency markets, all the while those in receipt of those funds are going to clean it up.

Bullshit.

218 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:28:36pm

re: #209 seekeroftruth

I think you are exactly right.
Take a look at this link - Wexler wants McClellan to testify before Congress about his book. Not a big jump to see where this is going - What a great way to take the eye off of Obama the Giant Gaffe Machine.

[Link: www.palmbeachpost.com...]

Wexler's a useless little worm who relishes the role of the relentless persecutor. Perhaps McClellan should go under oath, however. It is a very serious crime to lie before Congress, and something tells me he's gonna have to lie or else this whole sham will be exposed.

Wait a minute, I forgot who controls the committees. This will just be another show trial.

219 Wendya  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:29:12pm

re: #34 FrogMarch

McClellen is going to be very rich man.

Great. He can buy a house next door to Valerie and Joe and lower the collective IQ of Santa Fe even further.

220 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:29:28pm

re: #214 nyc redneckHey sweety! I decided to come back today!How have you been?

221 WayDownSouthInBama  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:30:09pm

One thing Bush should have learned from Bill Clinton,the first step is to clean house. Bll Clinton,for whatever else one may think of the man,was smart enough to know that if there was anyone in your administration that you questioned,fire them fast! Bush held over people he should have got rid of and brought in people that should have never been brought in. It's cost him dearly for his entire presidency.

222 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:30:16pm

I cannot help but think of Ludlum.

223 nyc redneck  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:30:44pm

re: #220 beachkatie

Hey sweety! I decided to come back today!How have you been?

really good, and glad to see you back.

224 Cognito  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:31:22pm

re: #206 BGOH

It was just on my local 11:00 news, too. Bravo to Charles and Michelle for pushing that story out into the open!

I dunno.

I've got conflicted feelings on this. They go something like this:

1) Hm. That looks like a black-and-white koffayah. Which is a bit weird, in the context of donuts. Annoyance level: 3.

2) Then again, I've spent enough time in Arab countries to know that a koffayah just ain't a big deal. They're darned useful, actually. Annoyance level: 1.

3) Then again, this appears to be the old black-and-white Palastinian koffayah, which carries more symbolism than mere desert gear. Annoyance level: 4.

4) But WAIT, it turns out it's not a koffayah at all, but rather a black-and-white paisley scarf. Annoyance level: 6, at myself, for bothering to pay attention to this. There are real problems in the world. Rachael Ray's accessories aren't among them.

225 ContraJihadi  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:31:26pm

re: #198 stevieray

I think it had more to do with job burn-out than anything else. Dealing with the press on a daily basis has got to be draining... especially as the voice of a Republican administration.

Aye, without a doubt; but if I had the contacts of a practiced journalist and the perseverance, I'd like to test my hypothesis, that Ari became exhausted having to defend pronouncements that he knew were flawed. ... But, yes, building a new life with a spouse will cause anyone to reevaluate the old way of life.

226 seekeroftruth  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:31:40pm

re: #217 formercorpsman

Yup. This is the same crap they did with the Valerie Plame & Scooter Libby story and the CBS/ Dan Rather story. It's all coordinated, including with the damn MSM.

227 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:31:45pm

re: #220 beachkatie
Rememer i am from the South... we talk that way!

228 calcajun  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:32:36pm

re: #1 DesertSage

so does the scum

229 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:32:43pm

re: #221 WayDownSouthInBama

One thing Bush should have learned from Bill Clinton,the first step is to clean house. Bll Clinton,for whatever else one may think of the man,was smart enough to know that if there was anyone in your administration that you questioned,fire them fast! Bush held over people he should have got rid of and brought in people that should have never been brought in. It's cost him dearly for his entire presidency.

Didn't G.H.W. Bush have the same affliction?

230 seekeroftruth  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:32:56pm

re: #218 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I agree - for once I would like to see the Democrat players under oath and before the Congress.

231 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:33:09pm

re: #224 Cognito

Cog, some times ya just get it, and sometimes ya don't.

232 Charles  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:33:19pm

re: #224 Cognito

4) But WAIT, it turns out it's not a koffayah at all, but rather a black-and-white paisley scarf. Annoyance level: 6, at myself, for bothering to pay attention to this. There are real problems in the world. Rachael Ray's accessories aren't among them.

And you know it's a "paisley scarf" ... how, exactly?

233 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:33:42pm

re: #223 nyc redneck
Were you live nyc redneck

234 ethanxxx  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:33:52pm

Since Keith Olberman just called me a "Jihadist"... can I now call that little Butt-Pirate a Worthless Sack of Progressive S**T? These useful idiots are getting closer everyday to crossing that proverbial line... I'm starting to wish they would.

Olberman compares Right-Wingers to Jihadists.

235 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:34:34pm

re: #233 beachkatie NYC?

236 nyc redneck  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:35:14pm

re: #233 beachkatie

Were you live nyc redneck

well right now, i'm back in the city :(

237 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:35:14pm

re: #226 seekeroftruth

He is going to make the run for all the morning shows.

It will be cycled around the clock.

Imagine if this was Dee Dee Myers?

The story line would be her being criminal.

What is on this post, if out ahead of the dog and pony show, can at least create the element of doubt, and not just let it be put out as gospel.

238 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:35:17pm

re: #231 unrealizedviewpoint

And this is one of those that you don't. And you're pissin off Charles again too.

239 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:36:07pm

re: #224 Cognito

koffayah

KEFFIYAH.

KEFFIYAH.

Ya' fucking dolt.

240 Mich-again  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:36:24pm

The book led off the discussion at the State Department briefing today.

QUESTION: Just any comment on his harsh accusations against Secretary Rice?

MR. CASEY: You mean the accusations that are in a book that hasn’t been published yet, so therefore, at least I haven’t seen it. No, I think – I understand the White House has made a comment about it. I’d really refer to them for any comment. That’s where Scott worked and, you know, hey, everybody’s got to make a living after they leave government, so I guess he’s doing it, too.

QUESTION: Just to be a bit more specific on that, his specific comments were that no matter – that Secretary Rice was deft at protecting her reputation, he has – you know, he said, even when there were problems relating to matters under her direct purview, including, you know, weapons of mass destruction, rationale for the war in Iraq, the decision to invade Iraq, and post-war planning and implementation of the strategy in Iraq. And he also predicts that there will be a harsh, sort of, historical view or a view of Secretary Rice’s actions both as Secretary of State and of National Security Advisor. I wonder if you had any comment on this.

MR. CASEY: Gee, I’m glad he didn’t, you know, decide to take a view of how, you know, history will judge his fellow spokespeople or himself for that matter. Look, Scott’s trying to sell a book. I’m glad he’s trying to sell a book. I haven’t seen it. I don’t have any comment on it except to refer you to the White House. And they’ve already spoken to it, I think, twice today, so I’ll leave it at that.

A bit edgy. I like that guy.

241 MacGregor  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:36:41pm

... but, but Soros said he was quitting politics.

This is going to come as quite a blow to MoveOn.org and a host of other far-left moonbat groups, as their chief financier, transnational “progressive” George Soros, appears to be getting disillusioned: Anti-W Soros: I Quit Politics. (Hat tip: LawHawk.)

September 29, 2006 — Billionaire liberal financier George Soros, who spent millions of his fortune trying to oust President Bush in 2004, yesterday said he hopes to stay out of politics from now on.

“In the future, I’d very much like to get disengaged from politics,” Soros said at a Council on Foreign Relations meeting on the Upper East Side. “I’m interested in policy and not in politics.”

Charles: I’m not holding my breath, though.

242 jaunte  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:36:45pm

re: #224 Cognito

"Annoyance level: 6, at myself, for bothering to pay attention to this."

You just wrote a lot of words about something that you say doesn't matter?

243 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:36:53pm

re: #232 Charles

And you know it's a "paisley scarf" ... how, exactly?

We must never question the robomedia...

244 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:37:20pm

re: #221 WayDownSouthInBama

That's because Clinton (like Obama), will throw people, even those who were extremely loyal to him, under the bus if it's politically expedient.

President Bush is not that way, and maybe it has cost him, but he cares about the people who work for him. They're like family. He truly cares about those people, and even when it hurts him politically, he'll stick by them because of their loyalty to him.

245 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:37:32pm

re: #232 Charles

I think that is what her stylist referred to it as.

It must be true.

246 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:37:45pm

re: #239 MandyManners

And, yes,l that was harsh of me but, for fuck's sake.

Really.

I should be gentle with a Lizard old enough to know better?

247 pat  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:37:52pm

Mandy! lol

248 Cognito  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:37:55pm

re: #232 Charles

And you know it's a "paisley scarf" ... how, exactly?

I don't know diddley. But Dunkin' Donuts said it was a paisley scarf, and they had little reason to lie, since they made the statement as they were yanking the series of advertisments.

So I went and looked at the photo. And I'll be darned, it does appear to be a paisley pattern, and certainly unlike any koffayah I've ever seen.

Is it a confusing, dumb move by her stylist? Yeah. It looks like a koffayah.

Is it worth vitriol and anguish? Nah. It's Rachael Ray.

249 jaunte  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:38:01pm

re: #241 MacGregor

“I’m interested in policy and not in politics.”
Now there's a distinction without a difference.

250 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:39:03pm

*achoo*

Allergies suck.

251 seekeroftruth  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:39:05pm

re: #237 formercorpsman

He is going to make the run for all the morning shows.

It will be cycled around the clock.

Imagine if this was Dee Dee Myers?

The story line would be her being criminal.

What is on this post, if out ahead of the dog and pony show, can at least create the element of doubt, and not just let it be put out as gospel.

Absolutely. Thank goodness for the internet, Charles, bloggers, talk radio, and all of of us unwashed masses who are news junkies and aren't afraid to use google.
I lift my glass to all of the above. : - )

252 pat  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:39:07pm

I don't know the scarf orgination. The story made it clear that all the lefty moonbats THOUGHT it was a Muslim Terror Rag.

253 Cognito  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:39:39pm

re: #239 MandyManners

KEFFIYAH.

KEFFIYAH.

Ya' fucking dolt.

Uh, no. It depends where you learn to pronounce the word. There's not a particular transliteration from Arabic to English.

Clearly you've got a firm grasp of potty-to-English transliteration, though.

254 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:39:41pm

re: #239 MandyManners

KEFFIYAH.

KEFFIYAH.

Ya' fucking dolt.

Keffiyeh is often spelled kaffiyah, keffiya, kaffiya, kufiya or some other variation. There is little basis for considering any one of these more correct than the others, as the varied spellings simply show different understandings of the pronunciation in Arabic, which differs from region to region, as well as different methods of transliteration from the Arabic alphabet to the Latin alphabet.

255 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:39:46pm

re: #248 Cognito

[Link: www.middleeastfacts.com...]

256 Charles  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:40:01pm

re: #248 Cognito

I don't know diddley. But Dunkin' Donuts said it was a paisley scarf, and they had little reason to lie, since they made the statement as they were yanking the series of advertisments.

So I went and looked at the photo. And I'll be darned, it does appear to be a paisley pattern, and certainly unlike any koffayah I've ever seen.

Is it a confusing, dumb move by her stylist? Yeah. It looks like a koffayah.

Is it worth vitriol and anguish? Nah. It's Rachael Ray.

If you want to seem knowledgeable on the subject, it might help if you learn how to spell "kaffiyeh" for starters.

And you seem to be able to discern details in blown-up low-resolution images that elude most other people.

257 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:40:56pm

re: #248 Cognito

[Link: sabbah.biz...]

258 ContraJihadi  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:41:03pm

re: #234 ethanxxx

Since Keith Olberman just called me a "Jihadist"... can I now call that little Butt-Pirate a Worthless Sack of Progressive S**T? These useful idiots are getting closer everyday to crossing that proverbial line... I'm starting to wish they would.

Olberman compares Right-Wingers to Jihadists.


It's not clear to me why anybody pays any attention to this Olberman person at all. Am I so removed from the currents of obsessive popularity? Is it a case that although this person is utterly absurd, so many people are likely to believe what he says that to ignore him would be to leave a popularly accepted line of "thinking" unanswered?

Believe me, I am perplexed.

259 JeremyR  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:41:15pm

re: #239 MandyManners

Need to ding him on content, not speeling. We all can misspell, but when we get stoopid......

260 pat  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:41:22pm

Neither Dunkin Donuts or Rachel Ray are or were at fault. I am sure neither knew or thought about the scarf. It was the Media company that did the set up.

261 WayDownSouthInBama  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:41:30pm

re: #229 MandyManners

Yes he did. He also had one other fault...trusting the word of liberals (read my lips). G.H.W Bush made a deal with the leftists and they stabbed him in the back BIG TIME. That should've been a lesson for his son but it doesn't seem to have been. Now we face the prospect of a person being president,McCain,who has kissed up to the leftists more than both Bush's together ever dreamed of doing. Mark my words,if McCain does become president,the leftist he has kissed up to will be his undoing.

262 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:41:51pm

Hey all Y'all - how is everyone this evening? What have I missed?!

263 JeremyR  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:42:37pm

re: #250 MandyManners

*achoo*

Allergies suck.

Allergic to stoopid?

264 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:42:38pm

re: #248 Cognito

[Link: edition.cnn.com...]

265 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:43:09pm

re: #237 formercorpsman

Imagine if this was Dee Dee Myers?

The story line would be her being criminal

Excellent point there Corpsman.

266 Israel4ever  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:43:28pm

re: #262 realwest

Hey all Y'all - how is everyone this evening? What have I missed?!

Well, I posted Scott's agent's website, and I'm trying to figure out what "biggest deal in this publisher's history" means in dollar amounts.

And then Mandy called someone a fucking dolt.

And now we're back to Dunkin Donuts.
:)

267 NY Nana  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:43:44pm

re: #182 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Even his last name is an anagram. Soros was probably so pissed about how the Wilson-Plame affair turned out that he just had to get back at the GOP, at any cost. Notice the "liberal" mention of that affair in the news tonight?

It's no accident. Wilson-Plame was Soro's grand plan to bring down the triumphirate of Bush/Cheney/Rove, and it failed miserably.

I can't remember the original family surname, but the father changed it to Soros during the nazi takeover of Hungary, as they were Jews. To me? They were a disgrace...shandas...there have been stories re collaboration.

I agree with your assessment of the Wilson/Plame kerfuffle.

President Bush isn't perfect, but I cannot remember this many knives being put in a President's back.

And look at the selection for November...*sigh*.

I will vote for McCain for sure, but not with a giant smile on my face. He just has to win. Anyone who stays home pouting?

They can only blame themselves if the worst happens with Hussein or Shrill...she is capable of a giant 'October surprise'...

268 jaunte  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:44:33pm

re: #258 ContraJihadi

From your link:

"Is Olby still merely approaching self-parody or has he with this at last attained full-fledged self-parodic nirvana?"


...I think he saw that in the rear-view mirror a while back.

269 Adrenalyn  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:44:45pm

problem with the Dee Dee Myers supposition is simple
no one has offered her the kind of money Soros must have offered McCllelan

270 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:44:57pm

re: #263 JeremyR

Allergic to stoopid?


Hey there - nah, it can't be that Mandy is allergic to stupid since she doesn't sneeze at many of my comments!
I think it's just that time of year; Mom's been sneezing and coughing like crazy from the tree pollen down here.
How are you doing this evening?

271 JeremyR  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:45:07pm

re: #262 realwest

Hey all Y'all - how is everyone this evening? What have I missed?!

Evening RW, trying to catch up myself. Just went Telly shopping for the missus. It is now set up and she is loving it.

272 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:45:07pm

re: #234 ethanxxx

Heh, at about the 40 sec. mark he drops that fake voice he normally uses for film/recordings and reverts to his natural voice for a while. This piece must really have him flustered.
/

273 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:46:01pm

re: #253 Cognito

Uh, no. It depends where you learn to pronounce the word. There's not a particular transliteration from Arabic to English.

Clearly you've got a firm grasp of potty-to-English transliteration, though.

At least I am able to render my meaning clear when I tell you to "go fuck yourself."

Keep it up with this disdain for "potty" language.

In the meantime,

FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU

274 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:46:07pm

re: #266 Israel4ever

Well, I posted Scott's agent's website, and I'm trying to figure out what "biggest deal in this publisher's history" means in dollar amounts.

And then Mandy called someone a fucking dolt.

And now we're back to Dunkin Donuts.
:)

and most import is Charles is tearing into Cognito again.

275 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:46:14pm

re: #232 Charles

Back when I lived in Chicago, a lot of Dunkin' Donuts franchises were owned by Arabs. There was also another donut franchise called BOSA, that supposedly was an acronym for "Brothers Of Saudi Arabia".

276 Cognito  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:46:23pm

re: #256 Charles

If you want to seem knowledgeable on the subject, it might help if you learn how to spell "kaffiyeh" for starters.

And you seem to be able to discern details in blown-up low-resolution images that elude most other people.

Come on, Charles.

1) I'm not wrong on the spelling, but if you have a particular favorite transliteration, I'm happy to adopt it. For what it's worth, you seem to be giving weight to the Palestinian pronunciation there.

2) Maybe I'm off in my viewing of the scarf. But again, I'm not sure why Dunkin' Donuts would lie about it at this point -- at this point -- and it certainly doesn't look like any kaffiyeh I've ever seen.

Mainly my point is that I've had a look at the whole scuffle, and I don't feel all that worked up over it, especially in light of Dunkin' Donuts' reaction.

277 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:47:11pm

re: #266 Israel4ever Ah, well that certainly clears things up for me! Thankew very much!
How the hell did we get back to Dunkin Donuts?! Did they send out another e-mail or something?

278 JeremyR  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:47:58pm

re: #270 realwest

Hey there - nah, it can't be that Mandy is allergic to stupid since she doesn't sneeze at many of my comments!
I think it's just that time of year; Mom's been sneezing and coughing like crazy from the tree pollen down here.
How are you doing this evening?

Massive headache. We had a radiator break last winter in a place and it got a little moldy under the floor where it leaked. We tore that mess up today. Took three of us to drag the old hunk of cast out the door.
So my brain is in dull mode right now.

279 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:48:00pm

re: #269 Adrenalyn

Not my point.

The media would spin this as her in the wrong.

McClellan, he is just doing the lord's work for the democrats.

280 seekeroftruth  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:48:16pm

re: #276 Cognito


Mainly my point is that I've had a look at the whole scuffle, and I don't feel all that worked up over it, especially in light of Dunkin' Donuts' reaction.

Then stop talking about it.

281 jaunte  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:48:23pm

re: #277 realwest

Thread-diversion...

282 Cognito  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:48:33pm

re: #277 realwest

Ah, well that certainly clears things up for me! Thankew very much!
How the hell did we get back to Dunkin Donuts?! Did they send out another e-mail or something?

The Dunkin' Donuts story has hit Yahoo and Google News.

283 The Shadow Do  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:49:33pm

re: #258 ContraJihadi

I

t's not clear to me why anybody pays any attention to this Olberman person at all. Am I so removed from the currents of obsessive popularity? Is it a case that although this person is utterly absurd, so many people are likely to believe what he says that to ignore him would be to leave a popularly accepted line of "thinking" unanswered?

Believe me, I am perplexed.


I think it is like Paris running around without her panties. When you got nuthin' what you gonna' do?

/picture Keith Olberman without his panties........heh

284 Cognito  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:50:09pm

re: #280 seekeroftruth

Then stop talking about it.

okey dokey

285 Adrenalyn  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:50:22pm

re: #279 formercorpsman

Not my point.

The media would spin this as her in the wrong.

McClellan, he is just doing the lord's work for the democrats.

not to counter your point at all.....
just betting that the money McClellan is getting is far more than would have been offered to Myers

remember, the libs throw more money around on books
and don't care if they lose money
it's propaganda

286 shanester  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:50:28pm

That's some nice detective work there, Lou.

No joke... I MEAN it!

Nice going guys.
Gee... if only the MSM would report crap like that.
They would if it was funded (in a roundabout way) by Karl Rove, wouldn't they?

LOL

287 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:50:38pm

re: #279 formercorpsman

Not my point.

The media would spin this as her in the wrong.

McClellan, he is just doing the lord's work for the democrats.

I sure hope others make this point.

288 Israel4ever  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:50:54pm

ok, I'm a relatively new Lizard and can't spend every night here, so sorry to be out of the loop, but it appears that this Cognito person is not very well liked here.........

could we please refocus our energies on finding out how much cash McClellan got for his book, rather than Dunkin Donuts? lol I wanna know if Scotty's gonna be gettin a new Beamer anytime soon...

289 Charles  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:51:15pm

re: #276 Cognito

I'm not wrong on the spelling, but if you have a particular favorite transliteration, I'm happy to adopt it. For what it's worth, you seem to be giving weight to the Palestinian pronunciation there.

Yes, you are wrong on the spelling, drastically wrong. Show me one source, anywhere, that spells it the way you have ("koffayah") and I'll gladly apologize.

Maybe I'm off in my viewing of the scarf. But again, I'm not sure why Dunkin' Donuts would lie about it at this point -- at this point -- and it certainly doesn't look like any kaffiyeh I've ever seen.

I know, it's impossible to imagine a corporation ever fibbing to enhance their image. Why, that's never happened before.

Mainly my point is that I've had a look at the whole scuffle, and I don't feel all that worked up over it, especially in light of Dunkin' Donuts' reaction.

Then why bring it up?

290 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:51:37pm

re: #276 Cognito

Cognito, I have for the most part tried to be civil despite any differences.

It is no surprise what the hell these celebrities are trying to do.

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, and say they are ignorant of the fact.

The people they have around them are perhaps pushing this.

This shit is not coincidence.

Neither is the intent behind it.

291 Mich-again  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:51:51pm

re: #275 Bob in Breckenridge

There is a Dunkin Donuts at the Gas Station/Subway/Chicken Shack/Ice Cream parlor megastore between here and the Interstate. And its always been run by Pakis including the Kaliga looking old nutty Paki guy who stands by the door all the time and smokes cigs one after the other.

292 pat  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:51:52pm

Arabic has no vowels. And there is no accepted Arabic to Muslim convention. Of the major language groups, Arabic is singular in this respect. It is also worth noting two other points. One, Arabic has the least literates number of literates per speaker of any major language. Two, Arabic has the least number of books published or translated into or from any major language.

293 nyc redneck  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:52:40pm

i don't think it matters if it's a slight variation in weave or pattern on the terrorist scarf. perhaps there are a number of subtleties, the point is they all read the same. that rag around her neck says kaffeyah. (or how ever it's spelled).

294 pat  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:53:05pm

re: #291 Mich-again

Great. Feces Donuts.

295 seekeroftruth  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:53:08pm

re: #279 formercorpsman

I wonder how many AP stories are already written and ready to go in the coming days' newspapers and tv news scripts?......

296 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:53:17pm

re: #285 Adrenalyn

Agreed.

Thank goodness, those dems are for the little guy.

297 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:53:26pm

re: #281 jaunte Ah, that again. Well I suppose when a thread gets to almost 300 comments, some of that is to be expected.
How are you doing this evening?

298 Israel4ever  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:53:32pm

I'm still cracking up from someone earlier describing how to pronounce Kaffiyah "Ter ROR ist RAG"

LOL

299 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:53:33pm

re: #262 realwestMy allergies are driving me crazy! The plumber came out to day and said
my shower is leaking under house, which is driving my sneezing crazy! And coughing all night! I smell mildew!

300 gop_patriot  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:54:14pm

In what country does the spelling koffayah originate? I've never seen it spelled that way. (really asking)

Also, the only reason Dunkin Donuts had that reaction was that some a lot of people got worked up over it... if no one had said anything, they would not have pulled the ad or responded in any way whatsoever. And the kaffiyeh would have been inserted into mainstream American television by a pretty big cable television personality, thereby giving it a little bit of legitimacy. It's a game of inches...

301 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:54:35pm

re: #288 Israel4ever

It will turn back, don't worry.

It is just ritual.

302 Charles  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:54:55pm

re: #300 gop_patriot

In what country does the spelling koffayah originate? I've never seen it spelled that way. (really asking)

It originates in Cognitoland.

303 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:54:58pm

re: #295 seekeroftruth

You nailed it.

This cycle is ready to go.

304 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:55:49pm

re: #300 gop_patriot

In what country does the spelling koffayah originate? I've never seen it spelled that way. (really asking)

Also, the only reason Dunkin Donuts had that reaction was that some a lot of people got worked up over it... if no one had said anything, they would not have pulled the ad or responded in any way whatsoever. And the kaffiyeh would have been inserted into mainstream American television by a pretty big cable television personality, thereby giving it a little bit of legitimacy. It's a game of inches...

Excellent point!

305 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:55:52pm

re: #278 JeremyR

So my brain is in dull mode right now.

/Howard Dean would like to talk to you about a high-paying position with the DNC, Jeremy...

306 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:56:10pm

re: #283 The Shadow Do

MSNBC is losing the rating wars anyway. Take a peek at TV Newser's ratings for yesterday: [Link: www.mediabistro.com...]

This should only make you smile.

307 WayDownSouthInBama  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:56:30pm

re: #244 Bob in Breckenridge

I can't help but believe that if they were truly loyal,and truly your friend,they would not become a political liability. The old saying is "if you play with fire,you're going to get burned". If your put your trust in questionable friends,don't be surprised when they suddenly become your enemy.

308 gop_patriot  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:56:41pm

re: #302 Charles

LOL

309 Cognito  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:56:59pm

re: #300 gop_patriot

In what country does the spelling koffayah originate? I've never seen it spelled that way. (really asking)

It's not a matter of spelling. It's a matter of pronunciation of the word %u0643%u0648%u0641%u064A%u0629, and how you pronounce it depends where you learned it.

310 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:57:13pm

re: #303 formercorpsman
I guess it is time to go 20 miles off shore to be able to breath again !

311 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:57:20pm

re: #291 Mich-again

There is a Dunkin Donuts at the Gas Station/Subway/Chicken Shack/Ice Cream parlor megastore between here and the Interstate. And its always been run by Pakis including the Kaliga looking old nutty Paki guy who stands by the door all the time and smokes cigs one after the other.

Actually, now that you mention that, the Dunkin' Donuts by my place in Chicago was owned by Pakistanis...

312 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:57:39pm

re: #299 beachkatie Hey {beachkatie} I'm sorry to hear that - what are you going to do about that mildew?
Have y'all heard about "Black Mildew"? It isn't that, is it?

313 rednaxela  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:57:43pm

I really don't want to trample on anyone's parade, but whether or not George Sorros has anything to do with the publishers is pretty irrelevant to what Scott McClellan wrote. I am sure he would have found plenty of publishers who would have published the same material.

The conspiracy theory slope is slippery and I don't think it does this blog any credit to venture there.

314 JeremyR  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:58:22pm

re: #305 Bob in Breckenridge

/Howard Dean would like to talk to you about a high-paying position with the DNC, Jeremy...

Uuh, not nearly that dulled down. Deano needs em close to failing an EEG.

315 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:58:24pm

re: #310 beachkatie

Listen, just put some beer in the cooler, I'll stop by the piggly wiggly, get some snacks, and we'll drift down the ICWW.

316 pat  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:58:25pm

Oops. I mean Arabic to English convention. All the other major languages and a large amount of the smaller ones, like Hebrew, have conventionalized translation. China did this in the midst of the cold war. it was important. China also did it to all the other languages. As did Japan in 1880. Hawaii in 1848. French in the 1700's. Duh.

317 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:58:26pm

re: #302 Charles

It originates in Cognitoland.

318 Cognito  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:58:34pm

re: #302 Charles

It originates in Cognitoland.

Man, Charles.

319 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:59:05pm

re: #307 WayDownSouthInBama

I can't help but believe that if they were truly loyal,and truly your friend,they would not become a political liability. The old saying is "if you play with fire,you're going to get burned". If your put your trust in questionable friends,don't be surprised when they suddenly become your enemy.

This is the Clintons I was talking about. And Obama's wife Michelle seems like a younger version of Hillary.

320 jaunte  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:59:16pm

re: #297 realwest

No so good. No wine, working on a scotch, and looking at some potential layoffs.
The business climate is poor.
The family is good, however!

321 Racer X  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:59:23pm

re: #300 gop_patriot

the kaffiyeh would have been inserted into mainstream American television by a pretty big cable television personality, thereby giving it a little bit of legitimacy. It's a game of inches...

Absolutely spot on.

322 Grammy Cracker  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:59:24pm

re: #276 Cognito

I don't blame Ms. Ray (too much air in her hair), but the entire executive suite at DD, the ad agency AND the 'stylist' failed to see what was right there on the screen?

It appears to be a traditional Arabic scarf (spell it however you wish). No one could discern otherwise during a typical airing of the ad. If you have to freeze-frame and enlarge the still shot to determine what the spokeswoman is wearing.... someone has failed in his/her duties.

Also, if the 'paisley' pattern looked just like the Confederate Flag at first glance, don't you think the execs would have noticed? Don't you think the usual suspects would be picketing DD right now, demanding the racists all be fired immediately?

It's only overreacting when WE do it?

323 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:59:32pm

re: #288 Israel4ever I'd wager Scotty is gonna be getting a Ferrari at the least, and perhaps the new Mclaren if he's really getting all that much dough - how much I don't know but it's surley more than 40 pieces of sliver -even accounting for inflation.

324 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:59:52pm

re: #276 Cognito

Who knows what Rachel Ray or DDonuts were thinking? I, for one, guess that they were clueless. (Whether they should have been is another story.)
The benefit of drawing attention to the scarf, IMHO, is that it shows how easily the Palestinians have penetrated the West with their propaganda. A scarf that Arafat consciously promoted as a symbol of resistance to Israeli "oppression" and that was at first confined to moonbats has become chic. It is high time this was made known to all.
The reaction of the Left has not simply been to decry a tempest in a teapot. The comments at blogs that I have read are much more defensive than that. Why? Because they know damned well what the scarf means, and they don't mind people wearing it anymore than they mind their kids running around w/ Che Guevara t-shirts. They just don't like it when someone calls them on it.

325 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:00:05pm

re: #312 realwest
Yes, i i had no problem til i quit smoking! IT s weird!No one else has had this before! :(

326 gop_patriot  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:00:13pm

re: #304 unrealizedviewpoint

Why, thank you. I'm not into the beer yet. ;)

327 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:00:19pm

re: #313 rednaxela

I really don't want to trample on anyone's parade, but whether or not George Sorros has anything to do with the publishers is pretty irrelevant to what Scott McClellan wrote. I am sure he would have found plenty of publishers who would have published the same material.

The conspiracy theory slope is slippery and I don't think it does this blog any credit to venture there.

Folks were venturing just there today on the tube. I think we're on safe ground.

328 Mich-again  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:00:32pm

re: #293 nyc redneck

I agree. Its a Kofiyeah. And whether the "talent" knew it or not, her scarf was a political statement. Blame your wardrobe techie, but not us for noticing the handiwork. It was a dumbass thing to do like how Eric Burden wears that gigantic size 60 Che T-shirt when he yells through that pathetic concert the PBS station uses during the begathon.

329 jainphx  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:00:39pm

re: #174 ContraJihadi

I agree with you in spirit, but I am 61 years old and never the most athletic of men. Perhaps the future resistance will need clerks.

Every one will be needed, I'm 67, but I'll do what ever I can. Know you will also.

330 Cognito  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:00:39pm

re: #322 Grammy Cracker

I don't blame Ms. Ray (too much air in her hair), but the entire executive suite at DD, the ad agency AND the 'stylist' failed to see what was right there on the screen?

It appears to be a traditional Arabic scarf (spell it however you wish). No one could discern otherwise during a typical airing of the ad. If you have to freeze-frame and enlarge the still shot to determine what the spokeswoman is wearing.... someone has failed in his/her duties.

Also, if the 'paisley' pattern looked just like the Confederate Flag at first glance, don't you think the execs would have noticed? Don't you think the usual suspects would be picketing DD right now, demanding the racists all be fired immediately?

It's only overreacting when WE do it?

I agree with all that. Like I said, it was an idiotic move.

331 Israel4ever  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:00:55pm

OK about Scott's publisher.

This is a small-time house. There is no reason this book shouldn't have been bought by a larger house. So something is weird about that. I know that his agent Craig Wiley is Indianapolis and doesn't have a huge client list, nor does he make many deals. Publisher's Marketplace only has ONE deal listed under his name for all of 2007, but Scott's book isn't there. (So as of right now, this agent sold a total of two books last year)

I wonder why one of the bigger houses didn't go for this.

332 Racer X  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:01:00pm

re: #313 rednaxela

I was young and naive once.

333 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:01:12pm

re: #164 Occasional Reader

It was not "the" headline reason. There were a dozen reasons to do it, all of them more reasonable and, dare I say it, nuanced, than just a pile of chemical weapons in Saddam's basement:

1. Because we could (and this was good enough for Bush himself), or, to put it differently, we had the closest thing he could get politically to a free pass (9/11) to finally put the Middle East in line the way we wanted to. This got repackaged with a bow later as "The Bush Doctrine", a noble experiment in bringing Democracy to the world's second-most-barbaric collection of Shithole Countries, after Africa, but in Bush's own words it was a chance to scare the Arabs into line, which, while vulgar, is perfectly acceptible in modern politics.

2. Removal of Saddam meant removing our biggest and yet most easily removed antagonist in the region only months after his Muslim brethren stung us badly - given the way his regime was sliding towards religiosity to keep its hold on power, and with his budget, his track record of antagonism towards just about everybody, AND his WMDs, this was a very bad thing. Here we've been bushwacked by a bunch of camel f-ckers who somehow managed to attend college AND flight school, and there are more of them out there, and there sits Saddam with a grudge, a pile of cash, and all sorts of things that go "boom".

3. Taking him out would allow us to GTFO of Saudi Arabia, never a bad thing (This also conveniently removed one of Osama's alleged reasons for hating us, though that was a fringe benefit - I think the $80 billion spent tooling around in the no-fly zones was a bigger concern).

4. It allowed us to box in Iran using Iraqi territory and those juicy big airbases the Soviets built for him, definitely a Good Thing according to just about everybody in the Gulf, although they said this behind closed doors.

5. Oil. Not taking it, of course, but stabilizing the region to keep the supply stable, by increasing our security presence in the region (much as we do already in the shipping lanes).

Somewhere down further on this list would be humanitarian concern, but I remember very clearly that all they could say for weeks and months on end was "WMD, WMD, WMD". I remember being asked by a German friend "Yes but, why Iraq?" and I had to answer him, truthfully, "I don't know - they aren't giving us the full story." They being, the elite, the media/government complex, whatever you want to call it.

334 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:01:25pm

Google search for Soros+McClellan

[Link: digg.com...]

[Link: www.electionbid2008.com...]

[Link: www.prolifeblogs.com...]

335 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:01:33pm

I'm not sure why we are on this topic, but I can assure folks that it doesn't matter to me if the color is soft blue and it has little Huey, Louie, Dewey, Donald and Daisy's on it, I recognize the kafiyyah in the way the scarf is worn and by whom. Fashion statement? That's pathetic cover for a "statement" that is blatanly pro-palestinian (read pro-terror) and virulently anti-Israeli.

We need no translations to figure that out.

336 Mich-again  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:01:38pm

re: #294 pat

Great. Feces Donuts.

Well now I feel better for never buying anything there!

337 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:01:39pm

re: #302 Charles

It originates in Cognitoland.

Is that like Wallyworld?

338 Spiny Norman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:02:05pm

George "Goldfinger" Soros, James Bond villain come to life.

339 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:02:17pm

re: #315 formercorpsman
That is so sweet of you ! bUT I KNOW THERE IS BETTR SHAPE THAN ME RIGHT NOW!

340 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:02:49pm

re: #300 gop_patriot Well I don't know about that. I mean, yes DD got upset that so many people got upset at their ad (I do honestly beleive they are in business to make money). But I don't think you can equate DD's getting upset about it with DD "being found out at something or other". More than likely - MUCH more than likely, the sylist, photographer or - my number one choice - the Ad agency put this shit together to appear to be COOL - or just to out and out support the Pali's.

341 gop_patriot  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:02:52pm

re: #309 Cognito

It's not a matter of spelling. It's a matter of pronunciation of the word %u0643%u0648%u0641%u064A%u0629 , and how you pronounce it depends where you learned it.

So in Arabic, you can spell something any way you'd like to, based upon how you pronounce it? Every word? Or is it just certain words that differ from country to country?

Where did you learn to say koffayah, if not in Jordan, Syria, or Israel?

342 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:02:55pm

re: #306 hermeneutics

MSNBC is losing the rating wars anyway. Take a peek at TV Newser's ratings for yesterday: [Link: www.mediabistro.com...]

This should only make you smile.

Ah. Some good news! Thanks, Hermie!

343 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:03:00pm

re: #325 beachkatie

Yes, i i had no problem til i quit smoking! IT s weird!No one else has had this before! :(

Me too. Quit smoking Jan 15th. Been absolutely deathly ill since. Jeez

/exaggeration of course, but what gives?

344 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:04:08pm

[Link: sfbay.craigslist.org...]

I like this one for Craigslist.

345 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:04:15pm

re: #339 beachkatie
i KNOW BETTER SHAPE THAN ME REALLY!yOU ARE A GREAT SHAPED DUDE!

346 Israel4ever  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:04:26pm

re: #331 Israel4ever

OK about Scott's publisher.

This is a small-time house. There is no reason this book shouldn't have been bought by a larger house. So something is weird about that. I know that his agent Craig Wiley is Indianapolis and doesn't have a huge client list, nor does he make many deals. Publisher's Marketplace only has ONE deal listed under his name for all of 2007, but Scott's book isn't there. (So as of right now, this agent sold a total of two books last year)

I wonder why one of the bigger houses didn't go for this.

too add onto this, I want to say that his agent absolutely marketed this book to the bigger houses, but apparently Soros' house was the one who won the bidding (if there was bidding, speculating there) - so that means Soros must have paid huge. HUGE.

But what difference does it make if Soros prints it, rather than another house?
sorry i'm rambling to myself

347 WayDownSouthInBama  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:05:01pm

re: #319 Bob in Breckenridge

I kind of think the same. Man,this is depressing isn't it? Here it is 2008 and we are STILL using the words "Clinton" & "President" in the same sentence.

348 jcm  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:05:14pm

What's happening?

Kids feed, bathed, one monster discovered behind the toilet discovered and banished, bedtime stories read, and kids asleep.

349 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:05:41pm

re: #343 unrealizedviewpoint
dAMN IF YOU DON'T, DAMN IF YOU DO! wEIRD UNHHH?

350 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:05:41pm

re: #345 beachkatie

I'm a great shaped dude.

Buddha is jealous.

351 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:06:32pm

re: #350 formercorpsman
i KNOW !

352 Cognito  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:06:42pm

re: #341 gop_patriot

So in Arabic, you can spell something any way you'd like to, based upon how you pronounce it? Every word? Or is it just certain words that differ from country to country?

Where did you learn to say koffayah, if not in Jordan, Syria, or Israel?

You spell it properly, in Arabic. But the Arabic alphabet doesn't line up very well with the English one. That's what the 'transliteration' bit is about. And that's why newscasters walk around saying "Quatar" and "Gutter" and "Cutter" and "Cattar" when the place has a very clear, single pronunciation in Modern Standard Arabic.

(Although there are almost endless variations in Arabic dialects. Thus the current strange mini-squabble over the spelling of the ... scarf-headdress-dustmask-thing.)

353 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:06:57pm

re: #320 jaunte I'm really glad to hear the family is good - that's the most important thing. Second is if you're friends are doing well, too.
What about layoffs? Are you in "danger"?! What industry are you talking about?

354 Racer X  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:06:57pm

re: #343 unrealizedviewpoint

Me too. Quit smoking Jan 15th. Been absolutely deathly ill since. Jeez

/exaggeration of course, but what gives?

Smokers have their immune systems working full blast 24 hours a day trying to combat the smoke. Stop smoking and the immune system relaxes a bit.

355 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:07:00pm

re: #331 Israel4ever

Have you seen the book? Perhaps it is so poorly written that the reputable publishers wouldn't touch it, though I doubt it.

My hunch is this: McClellan was approached by Soros or one of his minions who offered him money to write the book. The book, then, was never shopped by the agent who may have been given a set fee simply for pretending to be Scott's agent. Scott wrote the book, presented it to the publisher and received the balance of his check.

356 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:07:02pm

re: #347 WayDownSouthInBama

Tell me about it.

357 Mich-again  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:07:31pm

re: #313 rednaxela

but whether or not George Sorros has anything to do with the publishers is pretty irrelevant to what Scott McClellan wrote. I am sure he would have found plenty of publishers who would have published the same material.

I disagree completely with that conclusion. The fact that the book was so bombastic is directly related to the lucrative deal he got for making it so bombastic.

358 J.D.  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:07:32pm

re: #269 Adrenalyn

problem with the Dee Dee Myers supposition is simple
no one has offered her the kind of money Soros must have offered McCllelan

Yep.

...Soros additionally finances groups supporting the interests of one-world government. While he has criticized the United Nations occasionally, he favors U.N. dominance in world affairs, sees the European Union as a model for "open society" and has called for a global central bank.

Anyone who doesn't agree with this vision, or who doesn't fit cozily into his multilateral model, gets a visit from Soros-backed groups.

MoveOn.org, for example, led the charge to keep John Bolton out of a permanent seat in the U.N., and Bankwatch piled on to topple Paul Wolfowitz at the World Bank.

In fact, pick any cause that seeks to weaken the U.S. and it's hard not to find Soros' name on its list of financial backers. Most of these causes are financed by relatively small amounts, but that's all that's needed to make trouble.

And without the cash, countless bad ideas would have no presence in American political debate at all.

What keeps these groups on cue, and Democrats in line, is the prospect that any funding from Soros can be stepped up to massive levels. It's probably no coincidence that Soros was a big backer of campaign finance reforms that have allowed nominally nonpartisan groups like MoveOn.org to strike with the kinds of tactics they are using.

Soros usually doesn't offer up or endorse specific candidates for office. His chief aim seems to be tearing down Bush, driving the Democrats to the far left and enforcing party discipline through fear. In fact, he seems to like keeping Democrats guessing whether or not he's offended.

The strategy seems to be working. No Democrat had the courage to cross MoveOn.org after its libelous Petraeus ad. On Thursday, a symbolic vote in Congress censuring MoveOn.org for the Petraeus ad passed, but with the notable absence of both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Election looming, neither wants to cross Soros' MoveOn.org.

Soros himself does not believe in victory in Iraq and wants to keep America from achieving it.

"The war on terror cannot be won," he has said.


George Soros: The Man, The Mind And The Money Behind MoveOn
Read the whole thing.

359 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:07:58pm

A soros connection? oh...it's the circle of corruption

360 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:08:20pm

re: #351 beachkatie
i THINK I HAVE SEEN YOU IN RALIEGH, N.C. !

361 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:08:26pm

re: #351 beachkatie

Have you seen a picture?

362 The Shadow Do  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:08:30pm

re: #313 rednaxela

I really don't want to trample on anyone's parade, but whether or not George Sorros has anything to do with the publishers is pretty irrelevant to what Scott McClellan wrote. I am sure he would have found plenty of publishers who would have published the same material.

The conspiracy theory slope is slippery and I don't think it does this blog any credit to venture there.

First, the Rather memo was not a conspiracy theory, was it?

Second, as with the Rathergate revelation, there is more to be learned about this book and its publisher/editor. There has been some talk today that the publisher ( a Soros owned subsidiary) had a heavy hand, if not the only hand, in the writing of this suspect memoir. Conspiracy? No. This story is ripe for investigation, that's all. And who will do that?

363 Israel4ever  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:08:40pm

re: #355 hermeneutics

Have you seen the book? Perhaps it is so poorly written that the reputable publishers wouldn't touch it, though I doubt it.

My hunch is this: McClellan was approached by Soros or one of his minions who offered him money to write the book. The book, then, was never shopped by the agent who may have been given a set fee simply for pretending to be Scott's agent. Scott wrote the book, presented it to the publisher and received the balance of his check.

ah! that would make sense! (I mean about his agent, except for the fact that the agent appears to represent conservatives)

huh.

364 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:08:47pm

Michael Savage is doing his PBS-like begfest. He's a multi-millionaire, as is his son, yet he begs for money like he's poor. I detest that dirtbag.

365 the_flying_pig  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:08:48pm

McCellan got owned by Soros.

Nice job, Charles and John William in Texas.

366 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:08:54pm

re: #346 Israel4ever

too add onto this, I want to say that his agent absolutely marketed this book to the bigger houses, but apparently Soros' house was the one who won the bidding (if there was bidding, speculating there) - so that means Soros must have paid huge. HUGE.

Okay, ignore my speculations then. I am wrong.

Interesting that Soros bought it through the front of this small publishing company.

367 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:09:02pm

re: #360 beachkatie

Hardee's Walnut Creek?

368 jaunte  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:09:08pm

re: #353 realwest

No not in danger; my own small business. Never been short of work for so long before, so we have to cut expenses.

369 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:09:57pm

beachkatie and Realwest,

The air purifier I have kills mildew.

370 AZfederalist  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:10:00pm

re: #283 The Shadow Do

I


I think it is like Paris running around without her panties. When you got nuthin' what you gonna' do?

/picture Keith Olberman without his panties........heh

Oh please! Why did you have to do that!?


/brain bleach is around here somewhere. flippin' comedians grumble, grumble

371 Genosaurer  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:10:32pm

Clearly this information is just viral propaganda from the vast right-wing conspiracy.

/Also, there's a conservative bias in the media.

372 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:11:05pm
373 Israel4ever  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:11:26pm

re: #366 hermeneutics

Okay, ignore my speculations then. I am wrong.

Interesting that Soros bought it through the front of this small publishing company.

ok - wait maybe *i'm* wrong and you're right. I think we are cross-posting over each other. lol

374 Dustyvet  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:11:34pm

re: #348 jcm

What's happening?

Kids feed, bathed, one monster discovered behind the toilet discovered and banished, bedtime stories read, and kids asleep.

If the monster behind the toilet name is Tiger, with gray and black stripes point the wee sod in the direction of Illinois, and instruct him to take a right when he reaches Chicago. Thanks for the smile...and sweet dreams to the children.

375 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:12:10pm

Perhaps it is time to press for legislationg that makes it illegal for foreigners to buy or influence American elections. I've got no idea how this legislation would be crafted -- WHERE ARE YOU LAWHAWK? -- but there has to be some way to eliminate the influence of foreigners. This is simply wrong.

376 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:12:36pm

Re: The Rachael Ray thing...

When some celebrity doofus wears Commie/Jihad gear in "solidarity" we always like to joke that if they really went to Gaza/China in the 60's/Cuba, etc. they'd be put to work as a slave or taken hostage by bandits.

I think, though, that Rachael Ray is the only pretty Western female hostage that the jihadists would give back, no questions asked, because they found her too annoying.

"Please take her. Her food is terrible, and she sounds like my mother. We can't stand it anymore. Achmed didn't even want to rape her, it was that bad. We have come to believe she is Allah's curse upon all mankind, and therefore, it best serves our Jihad if she remains with you to be on your cable television."

377 J.D.  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:13:35pm

Hey {realwest}.
It's getting late.
How are you today?

378 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:13:51pm

re: #361 formercorpsmannO, BUT I WAS SITTING IN THE PARKING LOT OF NORTHERN TOOLS BEFORE , AND ASKED FOR DIRECTIONS BEFORE!Very MUSCULAR DUDE! :)

379 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:14:02pm

re: #325 beachkatie NO, you're wrong there! To paraphrase Mark Twain, it's easy to quit smoking, I know cause I've done it hundreds of times. LOL.
Actually, when you do quit smoking (and I managed to quit for six months and started again, full time, on 9/11/01) your get a) hoarse and b) do a lot of coughing.
The hoarseness comes from the fact that the juiced up nicotine in cig's actually is somethng of an anesthetic - that is to say that it keeps your throat from getting irritated or feeling irritated by allergies and pollutants that you would otherwise be coughing and sneezing at. The coughing is simply your lungs clearing themselves out of all - or at least most of - the crap that has been filling it by smoking cigarettes. And it varies by individulal too. I didn't stop coughing for almost 2 whole months and my throat was sore for nearly 4 months and food did NOT taste better even after 6 months.

380 rednaxela  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:14:08pm

#327 unrealizedviewpoint
#332 Racer X

In terms of conspiracy theories, perhaps we should be looking at Scott's father, Barr, who contends that LBJ had JFK assassinated.

Now, that's an interesting proposition, as opposed to this Sorros 'story'.

381 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:14:12pm

re: #373 Israel4ever

You said that the agent shopped it, right? And that the agent represents several clients, some conservative, but isn't doing very well?

Still sounds like the agent was paid a fee -- sorta like a finder's fee. This has got to be bad for his business reputation, though. What good is an agent who can't place books in the hands of publishers?

382 jcm  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:14:41pm

Kudos to John Williams of Texas.

Damn fine work.

383 eclectic infidel  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:15:21pm

Somehow I figured it was too good to be true. Then again, it may very well be true, but the book is instantly tarnished with Soros' name. Now conservatives and Bush Bots alike can dismiss the book out of hand without taking the contents into consideration.

384 Dustyvet  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:15:54pm

re: #363 Israel4ever

ah! that would make sense! (I mean about his agent, except for the fact that the agent appears to represent conservatives)

huh.

It would be great if the check bounced...evil grin!

385 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:16:19pm

I hope Scott doesn't have children. These conspiracy-nutso tendencies need to be eliminated from the gene pool.

386 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:16:19pm

re: #378 beachkatie

Well beach, I hate to inform you, but that would have to have been Harbor Freight tools, up in Delaware.

I needed a cheap sander.

I did use to bounce some bars down on 17 in Jacksonville, and Topsail Island.

387 J.D.  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:16:33pm

Evenin', pat

Thanks for the tip!

388 ethanxxx  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:17:23pm

I've been in advertising for almost 30 years. Everything that goes in front of the camera to sell your product, especially in a high dollar national ad, is planned out. These people knew they were putting a Pro-Terrorist S**T Rag around her neck! It's hip, it's sheik, it's all the buzz, etc, etc, etc. And apparently enough people said that they don't like it, and that Dunkin can just keep their F'n donuts. We won... It's all good.

389 Mich-again  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:17:51pm

re: #375 hermeneutics

Soros = Wile E. Coyote, (aka Genius.)

As in, I have no idea what he did to generate the cash he needs to write all those checks to ACME for all the hare-brained schemes just to catch one single road runner. Truth be told, if Wile E. Coyote had all that money to buy the stupid gizmos from ACME to catch one bird, why didn't he just buy a whole side of beef and feast for weeks.

390 Grammy Cracker  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:17:51pm

re: #376 Pawn of the Oppressor

Re: The Rachael Ray thing...

When some celebrity doofus wears Commie/Jihad gear in "solidarity" we always like to joke that if they really went to Gaza/China in the 60's/Cuba, etc. they'd be put to work as a slave or taken hostage by bandits.

I think, though, that Rachael Ray is the only pretty Western female hostage that the jihadists would give back, no questions asked, because they found her too annoying.

"Please take her. Her food is terrible, and she sounds like my mother. We can't stand it anymore. Achmed didn't even want to rape her, it was that bad. We have come to believe she is Allah's curse upon all mankind, and therefore, it best serves our Jihad if she remains with you to be on your cable television."

Bwaaaahhhh! ROFL! It's that damned EVOO thing!

391 conservativeChick  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:18:01pm

I getting really sick of Putin's stooge Soros. This man is pure evil who is trying to revive the USSR and create a socialist Utopia in America.

392 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:18:25pm

re: #379 realwest
SWEETIE I QUITED 8 MONTHS AGO!My LUNGS ARE SO HAPPY , I MOST OF THE TIME DO 5 MILES ON TREAD MILL!

393 Dustyvet  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:19:13pm

re: #389 Mich-again

Soros = Wile E. Coyote, (aka Genius.)

As in, I have no idea what he did to generate the cash he needs to write all those checks to ACME for all the hare-brained schemes just to catch one single road runner. Truth be told, if Wile E. Coyote had all that money to buy the stupid gizmos from ACME to catch one bird, why didn't he just buy a whole side of beef and feast for weeks.

The thrill of the hunt?

394 Miss Molly  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:19:23pm

Something that drives the Dems crazy is when you say "Obama will be the 2nd term of Carter" They start yelling and screaming on TV over anyone else who is talking. Also, on Fox news one night someone said that Obama had only actually worked a total of 142 days in the Senate before he started running for President. The Dems went nuts and started yelling and simply did not shut up till the program was over. I suppose they do not want voters in America to realize that he has actually so few days in the Senate.

However many days he has actually worked in the Senate would be a good thing to know and have it shouted everyday on TV because the Dems seem terrified of that information. They also do not like Obama being tied to Carter! And now we get to throw George Soros into this mess --- what a deal!

395 The Shadow Do  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:19:29pm

re: #383 eclectic infidel

Somehow I figured it was too good to be true. Then again, it may very well be true, but the book is instantly tarnished with Soros' name. Now conservatives and Bush Bots alike can dismiss the book out of hand without taking the contents into consideration.

Too bad it fails to fortify your lefty talking points. They were getting really boring anyway.

396 WayDownSouthInBama  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:19:40pm

One last post then I'm out of here. It might do us all well to remember that anyone can claim anything in a book. The question is will it all hold up under examination? Will the provable FACTS support the story or not? I'm not about to get all bent out of shape over Mr. McCellan's book until the claims made in the book are compared with the facts. Get back to me in a week or two. Let's see if his claims are still holding water then.

We know the left is going to ride this like a bull out of the chute. I can understand looking into all that has been posted on here tonight. But let's not forget that claims made are just that. So,having said all of that,I say good night,and let the fact checking begin!

397 Mich-again  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:19:57pm

re: #393 Dustyvet

The thrill of the hunt?

Best explanation I have heard yet.

398 nyc redneck  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:20:19pm

mcclellan is like a witness who has too many stories,
so which one is it.
are you lying now or were you lying before.
no one respects a person like that.
soros and the msm media will use him for what he's worth and then the turncoat will be alone.

399 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:20:31pm

Doesn't it seem odd that Perseus funds are getting so much money so quickly? Can one of our "Series 7" lizards tell me if funds usually close this fast? Who is shopping these funds to prospective investors? Who are the wholesalers?

400 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:20:40pm

re: #368 jaunte Damn, I'm sorry to hear that my friend. Do you mind telling me what kind of business and do you know why you're so short of work?

401 Dustyvet  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:21:01pm

re: #397 Mich-again

Best explanation I have heard yet.

Meep, meep....zoooooooooooooom!

402 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:21:53pm

re: #371 Genosaurer That's only because Jews control the media!
/do I really need this?

403 Mich-again  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:22:14pm

re: #401 Dustyvet

Meep, meep....zoooooooooooooom!

Beware the piles of Free Food! in the middle of the road. See ya!

404 jaunte  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:22:15pm

re: #400 realwest

Graphic design; big client companies in management transition (and waiting to see which way their costs are going) are postponing work...

405 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:22:22pm

re: #386 formercorpsmanyou are not the muscle guy i have seen there?Harbor Freights?

406 gop_patriot  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:23:34pm

re: #340 realwest

I agree, I don't believe it was Dunkin Donuts, the corporation, who was trying to put this out there on purpose (but who knows). Probably, it was a stylist/ad guy/celeb that is either a fan of terrorists or completely ignorant who was responsible. In any case, the more it's inserted into commercials and TV shows, the more accepted it will become; so many people will see it and not question it. So it's good that some of us raise a fuss.

(BTW- I was responding to Cog's #276, and for some reason, didn't hit the "reply" button. He mentioned that people were worked up, and my response was to that.)

:)

407 Dustyvet  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:24:01pm

re: #401 Dustyvet

Meep, meep....zoooooooooooooom!

Coyote V. Acme
IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT,
SOUTHWESTERN DISTRICT, TEMPE, ARIZONA
CASE NO. B19294, JUDGE JOAN KUJAVA, PRESIDING
Wile E. Coyote, Plaintiff
-v.-
Acme Company, Defendant


[Link: www.torinfo.com...]

408 rednaxela  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:24:45pm

#357 Mich-again

I don't really think the book is that sensational, especially if we assume that the excerpts linked to on Drudge are as bad as it gets.

I think many of us agree that GWB blundered on Iraq and that no one thought too much about the post-war period. So there's not much new there. The Plame story is a bit more troubling, but then again, who here would vouch for Scooter Libby? So again, there's nothing to get too excited about.

At the end of the day it comes down to this: Scott was the White House Press Secretary and he wasn't particularly good at his job. Now he's doing something else at which is he is probably also not very good. So he wanted to make some $$$. So he went and published a book for which most publishers would have paid him handsomely. The Sorros thing is immaterial.

409 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:25:56pm

re: #405 beachkatie
I'm just pulling your chain ,, love all you guys!

410 J.D.  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:26:23pm

re: #407 Dustyvet

Mr. Coyote states that on occasions too numerous to list in this document he has suffered mishaps with explosives purchased of Defendant: the Acme "Little Giant" Firecracker, the Acme Self-Guided Aerial Bomb, etc. (For a full listing, see the Acme Mail Order Explosives Catalogue and attached deposition, entered in evidence as Exhibit C.) Indeed, it is safe to say that not once has an explosive purchased of Defendant by Mr. Coyote performed in an expected manner.


Pretty funny stuff.

411 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:26:48pm

re: #377 J.D. Hey J.D., yeah it is getting late and I am tired, but I'm doing ok today; spent a chunk of the afternoon sendng letters to my congresscritter, my two Senators, Bush and Ban-Ki-Moon about the information provided by Charles last night about the brutalization of women and especially female children in many countries where the UN Peacekeepers are stationed, by some of those self-same Peacekeepers.
No answers yet, but I'll keep on pushing this as long as I'm able to type and e-mail and get myself to a fax machine (for some reason, politicians seem to pay more attention to faxed letters than to e-mails, so I took no chances and sent them both ways!).
How are you doing/feeling?

412 SpartanWoman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:27:10pm

re: #408 rednaxela

Then why does Wexler want Benedict McClellan to tesify under oath about that Plame crap?

413 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:27:32pm

re: #405 beachkatie

Beachkatie, doubtful.

I left the area in 1993, and went back up north to PA.

I still get back every once in a blue moon, but not as often as I like.

During that time, I was very much into to lifting, etc. and it was evident.

I asked if you had a picture, because I might have one or two folks with them.

Nonetheless, if you need me to channel the muscular dude at Northern Tool for you, so be it.

414 NY Nana  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:28:31pm

re: #338 Spiny Norman

George "Goldfinger" Soros, James Bond villain come to life.

He isn't that good.

415 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:28:45pm

re: #409 beachkatie

Ah, too late.

I posted already.

And you were going to get my free advice on Alka Seltzer before you go to bed.

416 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:28:47pm

re: #400 realwestSweet dreams to ya real West! From Charlotte!

417 jcm  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:29:34pm

re: #411 realwest

Hey J.D., yeah it is getting late and I am tired, but I'm doing ok today; spent a chunk of the afternoon sendng letters to my congresscritter, my two Senators, Bush and Ban-Ki-Moon about the information provided by Charles last night about the brutalization of women and especially female children in many countries where the UN Peacekeepers are stationed, by some of those self-same Peacekeepers.
No answers yet, but I'll keep on pushing this as long as I'm able to type and e-mail and get myself to a fax machine (for some reason, politicians seem to pay more attention to faxed letters than to e-mails, so I took no chances and sent them both ways!).
How are you doing/feeling?

Keep up the fight! Something has to bring the UN to heel or break it.
This could be it.

418 Syrah  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:30:02pm

re: #346 Israel4ever

too add onto this, I want to say that his agent absolutely marketed this book to the bigger houses, but apparently Soros' house was the one who won the bidding (if there was bidding, speculating there) - so that means Soros must have paid huge. HUGE.

But what difference does it make if Soros prints it, rather than another house?
sorry i'm rambling to myself

It's the difference in wanting to buy a book for the purpose of making a profit, or for the purpose of making a statement.

Soros can afford to lose money the deal. The value of the book to Soros is in how it will affect public opinion, not how it will make him money.

419 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:30:04pm

re: #383 eclectic infidel
Uh, about that taking the book's contents into consideration, "That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -Christopher Hitchens. Sound familiar to you?

420 The Shadow Do  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:30:09pm

re: #408 rednaxela

At the end of the day it comes down to this: Scott was the White House Press Secretary and he wasn't particularly good at his job. Now he's doing something else at which is he is probably also not very good. So he wanted to make some $$$. So he went and published a book for which most publishers would have paid him handsomely. The Sorros thing is immaterial.

A small publisher takes control of your work. Said small publisher turns out to be George Soros. George Soros, in effect, writes your book as you too are now a wholly owned subsidiary. How is this immaterial?

421 gop_patriot  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:30:12pm

re: #352 Cognito

You spell it properly, in Arabic. But the Arabic alphabet doesn't line up very well with the English one. That's what the 'transliteration' bit is about. And that's why newscasters walk around saying "Quatar" and "Gutter" and "Cutter" and "Cattar" when the place has a very clear, single pronunciation in Modern Standard Arabic.

(Although there are almost endless variations in Arabic dialects. Thus the current strange mini-squabble over the spelling of the ... scarf-headdress-dustmask-thing.)

OK, I just think it's weird that I've never ever seen it spelled like that.

ASK.com: Your search for koffayah did not match with any Web results.

Google: Did you mean: kuffiyah

No standard web pages containing all your search terms were found.

Your search - koffayah - did not match any documents.

422 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:30:56pm
423 Racer X  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:31:20pm

re: #380 rednaxela

#327 unrealizedviewpoint
#332 Racer X

In terms of conspiracy theories, perhaps we should be looking at Scott's father, Barr, who contends that LBJ had JFK assassinated.

Now, that's an interesting proposition, as opposed to this Sorros 'story'.

So pay no attention to the publisher of this book, it is irrelevant?

424 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:31:38pm

re: #388 ethanxxx Hey my friend! With you experience, do you think DD itself had any clue about all this until we raised the issue with them?

425 ethanxxx  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:32:02pm

re: #419 realwest

Uh, about that taking the book's contents into consideration, "That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -Christopher Hitchens. Sound familiar to you?

Nice shootin Tex. What are you... a lawyer?

426 J.D.  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:32:06pm

re: #411 realwest

Well, how 'bout you? Good!
I think you're right about the faxes. Maybe I heard that here?
I'm doing pretty well, just tired.
Today, I got up at 3:30 pst and went to the airport in Burbank, then to Las Vegas, then to Columbus, then to Baltimore, and finally made it home.
I'd have 40 minutes and jump off and grab a salad (and/or a margarita) and finally managed to eat and drink my way across America!
Glad to be home!

427 Ol' flyboy  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:32:07pm

When some of the people Scottie has accused come forward with proof that Scottie was wrong will the MSM accuse these people of 'Swiftboating' poor Scottie?

428 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:32:48pm

Found this from Dunkin' Donuts at youtube. Anyone notice anything unusual about it?

429 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:32:55pm

re: #413 formercorpsmanNo sweetie! I just picture you ase him! I was in my car waiting for my husband that needed to go inside a minuted on the way back home.. he was so sweet , i just didn't know the directions he needed!

430 Promethea  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:33:49pm

re: #174 ContraJihadi

I agree with you in spirit, but I am 61 years old and never the most athletic of men. Perhaps the future resistance will need clerks.

The resistance needs all kinds of people. One of my conceits is that several extremely non-athletic men in my family have created weapon