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The Soros-McClellan Connection

Wed, May 28, 2008 at 7:28:40 pm PDT

The hat tip for this post goes to LGF reader John Williams in Texas.

The company that published Scott McClellan’s new Bush-bashing book is PublicAffairs Books, and their Editor at Large is a guy named Peter Osnos: About The Century Foundation.

The owner of PublicAffairs Books is a company called Perseus Book Group. Here’s their ownership tree: Perseus Books Home.

The firm is owned by Perseus Funds Group (holding company Perseus LLC), a capital management firm that grew from about $20 million in 1995 to over $2 billion now. Big infusions of cash seemed to help it grow exponentially, and it closed funds almost as fast as it opened them. The board has tons of liberals from the Clinton and Carter Administrations, with far-left credentials that almost put Osnos’ to shame. Their web site is here: PERSEUS - merchant bank and private equity fund management.

If you go to the New York Department of State web site and enter “Perseus” in the “Business Organization” search, you get this on page 2 of the results:

Hi, George!

UPDATE at 5/29/08 9:20:56 am:

Here’s the direct connection between Perseus Funds Group and PublicAffairs Books: PERSEUS Portfolio - Perseus Books Group.

Perseus Books is a leading publisher of non-fiction books, publishing titles under seven distinctive imprints: Basic Books, Da Capo Press, PublicAffairs, Running Press, Basic Civitas, Counterpoint, and Westview Press.

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1 DesertSage  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:29:30pm

The cream always rises to the top.

2 gopninja  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:30:32pm

not really a big deal to me honestly, soros would be near the top of my list for people willing to sell a bush embarassment

3 Alouette  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:30:39pm

re: #1 DesertSage

The cream always rises to the top.

So does the scum.

4 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:31:35pm
5 Capitalist Tool  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:31:40pm

What does Soros have on McLellan?

6 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:31:45pm

Oh, but I'm sure this didn't affect Scotty's impartiality in any way.

/

7 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:32:15pm

They really don't think that they can't be found out. Do they?

8 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:32:26pm

No surprise: Pull a leftie thread, and you'll find him on the end of it. Jackass.

9 DistantThunder  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:32:44pm

Scum settles, and it stinks, big time.

Soros - "I thought I smelled your foul stench" -Princess Leia

10 nyc redneck  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:32:58pm

soros has the perfect puppet. after he installs him, he will pull all the strings.

11 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:33:02pm

re: #5 Capitalist Tool

What does Soros have on McLellan?

Flow of money...

12 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:33:07pm

Soros is really sure that he is right. Isn't he.

13 FrogMarch  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:33:46pm

Weird weird weird. I told myself - no way- but my first instinct was that Soros' money had gotten to McClellen.

14 Capitalist Tool  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:33:53pm

re: #11 unrealizedviewpoint

Iwouldn't selll out a friend for money...

15 wanumba  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:34:03pm

Illuminata!

Used to think that was complete conspiracy fantasy crock, but the ubiquitous Soros and the filthy rich progressive Left really make one wonder.

Does Soros own a cat?

16 blutonazi98  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:34:23pm

re: #5 Capitalist Tool

What does Soros have on McLellan?

$$$$

17 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:34:34pm

Something nice to listen to while perusing this sorosspool.

18 islandlibertarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:34:43pm

If George Soros jumped off the Empire State Building holding hands with
Ahmadenjad, how long would it take for them to hit the ground?
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Who cares..................

19 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:34:51pm

re: #15 wanumba

Does Soros own a cat?

Mr. Bigglesworth.

20 FrogMarch  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:34:52pm

re: #5 Capitalist Tool

What does Soros have on McLellan?

More than likely - nothing. But everyone has a price.

21 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:35:14pm

re: #14 Capitalist Tool

Iwouldn't selll out a friend for money...

I suspect, don't know, McClellan didn't believe he had friends. Now he knows it.

22 wanumba  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:35:48pm

Was McClellan a plant from day one?

23 DistantThunder  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:36:06pm

re: #5 Capitalist Tool

What does Soros have on McLellan?

Drag any monetary denomination through capitol hill - and around the ex's - (all my ex's live in TExas - remember that song?) see what turns up.

How did a wussy like Bartlett get the press secretary gig in the first place?

He's some kind of Omega male.

24 Syrah  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:36:13pm

re: #15 wanumba

Illuminata!

Used to think that was complete conspiracy fantasy crock, but the ubiquitous Soros and the filthy rich progressive Left really make one wonder.

Does Soros own a cat?

An evil Specter if there ever was one.

25 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:36:16pm

re: #20 FrogMarch

More than likely - nothing. But everyone has a price.

I have a price.

One million dollars.

aaaahhhh eeeemmm

Oh. One hundred pause Billion dollars.

26 patrickafir  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:36:21pm

Soros is one of the worst things to happen to America in quite some time.

27 pegcity  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:36:32pm

Soros could be the bad guy in the new Bond movie

28 ceej  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:36:35pm

But... but... Karl Rove!

29 DistantThunder  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:36:46pm

re: #18 islandlibertarian

If George Soros jumped off the Empire State Building holding hands with
Ahmadenjad, how long would it take for them to hit the ground?
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Who cares..................

Too long.....

30 wanumba  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:36:49pm

re: #19 Occasional Reader

Mr. Bigglesworth.


Yikes!

31 boocat  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:37:10pm

Thank you fellow lizard John Williams!

32 Percopius  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:37:15pm

Well or course.

33 Maximu§  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:37:27pm

Any Justice Dept. officials lurking in LGF tonight? You might want to launch an investigation into this....

34 FrogMarch  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:37:48pm

McClellen is going to be very rich man.

35 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:38:41pm

re: #26 patrickafir

Soros is one of the worst things to happen to America in quite some time.

Does the fact that Soros has not met an "unfortunate accident" prove anything? I think it does.

36 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:38:43pm

re: #27 pegcity

Soros could be the bad guy in the new Bond movie

Utterly OT, but speaking of that; I was in Panama a few months ago and everyone was abuzz because they were filming part of the new Bond flick there. Thing is, they're apparently using Panama (Colon, specifically) as a stand-in for Haiti. So know you'll know when you see it... that's not really Haiti. Impress your friends...

37 jcm  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:38:46pm

re: #34 FrogMarch

McClellen is going to be very rich man.

And not from royalties.

38 islandlibertarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:39:20pm

re: #34 FrogMarch

McClellen/Faust is going to be very rich man.


..it just came to mind.....

39 GOPninja  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:39:29pm

offtopic: can anyone see my comments? have i been magicked away?

40 jcm  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:39:55pm

re: #39 GOPninja

offtopic: can anyone see my comments? have i been magicked away?

Nope don't see a thing...
/

41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:40:04pm

re: #37 jcm

YEP!

42 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:40:23pm

re: #39 GOPninja

offtopic: can anyone see my comments? have i been magicked away?

No, we cannot see your comments. You do not exist.

43 Carridine  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:40:48pm

re: #25 Fat Bastard Vegetarian A price is a PRICE, FBV!

Remember the punchline... "...we KNOW what you are, Madam, NOW we're just haggling over your price!"

Selling out is prostitution, and we need LESS of that today, don't we?

44 wanumba  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:40:53pm
The firm is owned by Perseus Funds Group, (holding company Perseus LLC) a capital management firm that grew from about $20 million in 1995 to over $2 billion now. Big infusions of cash seemed to help it grow exponentially and it closed funds almost as fast as it opened them. The board has tons of liberals from the Clinton and Carter Administrations with credentials that almost put Osnos’ to shame as far as far left causes go


Like growing money magically. Libs are outstanding at spending money, how come a board of them suddenly makes money so fast it almost appears out of thin air?

BTW, kudos for the outstanding catch!

45 J.S.  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:41:13pm

hmmm...I wonder where the intersection between McClellan and Soros arises...(Valerie Plame affair?) who published Plame?

46 nyc redneck  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:41:22pm

he has nothing better to do w/ his money. it's a game to him.
and he thinks he's the real messiah. if b.o. gets elected, he'll crush him.

47 Maximu§  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:41:59pm

re: #22 wanumba

I wonder who brought him onboard the Bush Administration?

48 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:42:23pm

re: #39 GOPninja

Nah, you're just being ignored.

(I only understand because I have been married for 25 years.)

Doesn't mean you're not loved.

49 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:43:01pm

re: #43 Carridine

DARN STRAIGHT!

50 BGOH  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:43:03pm

I subjected myself to some of Olbermann's "show" tonight because I had a hunch about the reaction that MSNBC and it's most useful idiot would have to this book. Sure enough, it was Olbermann's idea that Obama keep this book under the podium and whip it out during debates with McCain. He and his guests asked no questions of this book, it's sources, or the validity of it's claims. They simply took it as validation of every wild moonbat conspiracy they have been able to dream up over the past seven years.

George Soros got exactly what he wanted to out of this book. It lends "credence" to lefty talking points, and the MSM is going to accept it as the gospel truth. This s**t is only going to get worse before November, folks. Be prepared.

51 jcm  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:43:29pm

re: #48 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nah, you're just being ignored.

(I only understand because I have been married for 25 years.)

Doesn't mean you're not loved.

If a man speaks, and no woman hears him, is he still lying.


*ducks*

52 wanumba  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:44:20pm

re: #47 Maximu§

I wonder who brought him onboard the Bush Administration?


Sure worth asking. Bush's biggest mistake was to have been too trusting of his fellow Americans.

53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:44:32pm

Allright guys. I have to jump onto the back of Mr. Sandman. So, I'll leave you with....

G'night Grampa!

54 obscured by clouds  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:44:56pm

McClellan is a worm...the ultimate shadow warrior. A bastard, nonetheless.

55 FrogMarch  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:45:19pm

re: #37 jcm

And not from royalties.


no - not from book sales. I do expect the left-wing media to gleefully pimp the disgruntled book and left-wing book sellers will have it stacked everywhere.

56 yitzy  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:45:31pm

Why are you surprised? Don't you guys know there's a far-reaching Left Wing Conspiracy?

57 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:45:40pm

re: #53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

58 pat  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:45:41pm

The worst press secretary in the history of the White House becomes the best traitor. This doofus was over his head the first day to the last. Ignorant, slow, and illiterate. A poor combination.

59 Percopius  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:45:51pm

McClellan was not very good at his job, I thought.

60 seekeroftruth  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:45:55pm

Charles - Thanks for posting this. Thanks also to LGF reader John Williams in Texas for your research. I think we are going to see a lot more of this nonsense in this election.

61 nyc redneck  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:46:13pm

pres. bush fired him and hired tony snow.
i bet soros bought him pretty cheap.

62 Reluctant Democrat  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:46:27pm

O'Reilly said the book really didn't break any new ground, so I'm sure Scottie felt justified in accepting his 30 pieces of silver...I mean, his book advance.

His father wrote a book alleging LBJ was part of the conspiracy to kill Kennedy, so...the nut doesn't fall far from the tree, I guess.

63 NY Nana  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:46:45pm

re: #39 GOPninja

offtopic: can anyone see my comments? have i been magicked away?

/Enough with the Inviso-Text already!

64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:46:56pm

re: #58 pat

Yeah. But, he's probably smarter than me. BOW BEFORE SCOTTIE!

65 BGOH  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:46:57pm

re: #56 yitzy

Why are you surprised? Don't you guys know there's a far-reaching Left Wing Conspiracy?

AHHHHHHH! I'M SCARED! SOMEONE HOLD ME!

/hehe

66 Sharmuta  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:47:17pm

mcclellan's a back stabbing jerk- here's some info on his book.

You know, scott- if you didn't like the people you were working for, you didn't need to stick around for 3 years.

67 pat  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:47:18pm

re: #1 DesertSage

The cream always rises to the top.

So does grease.

68 Percopius  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:47:23pm

re: #56 yitzy

Why are you surprised? Don't you guys know there's a far-reaching Left Wing Conspiracy?

Lefties project. They are guilty of what they accuse you of. Like the Palistoneagemen.

69 FrogMarch  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:47:24pm

re: #50 BGOH

This will be the new left-winger bible.

70 Bloodnok  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:48:25pm

re: #64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah. But, he's probably smarter than me. BOW BEFORE SCOTTIE!

Before or after the gallon of Grand Marnier?

71 Carridine  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:48:30pm

re: #49 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Okay, we're on the same page here...

and now for SUB-urban Bangkok, because I have a history of NOT SELLING OUT! :D

Poverty sucks, FBV, but I could not take money to be part of some students' pain... at schools that were in it for the money, solely!

Anyhoo, glad you're taking a principled stand... for now, Imowdayeer.
BBiaW

72 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:48:59pm

re: #62 Reluctant Democrat

O'Reilly said the book really didn't break any new ground, so I'm sure Scottie felt justified in accepting his 30 pieces of silver...I mean, his book advance.

His father wrote a book alleging LBJ was part of the conspiracy to kill Kennedy, so...the nut doesn't fall far from the tree, I guess.

From what I've seen so far, the book seems like a yawn. So Bush "kept an eye on the polls"... golly! Unlike, say, Bill Clinton, who would never dream of doing such a thing, right?

73 nyc redneck  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:49:08pm

re: #66 Sharmuta

mcclellan's a back stabbing jerk- here's some info on his book.

You know, scott- if you didn't like the people you were working for, you didn't need to stick around for 3 years.

yes he stayed for 3 yrs. and everything was just fine and now this.
he's bought and paid for.

74 BGOH  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:49:29pm

re: #69 FrogMarch

This will be the new left-winger bible.

I think it already is. It is absolutely amazing to me how shallow and intellectually vapid liberals are. The contents of this book make them "feel" smart, and the only prerequisite for being a lefty is possessing the ability to feel.

75 RAXTSFK  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:49:41pm

He's a frakkin cylon!

76 Maximu§  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:49:42pm

If the Republicans have any Balls, they will launch Senate hearings on this tomorrow.

77 J.S.  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:50:03pm

Valerie Plame's Hubbie wrote his own book, "The Politics of Truth: Inside the Lies that Led to War and Betrayed My Wife's CIA Identity," published by Carroll & Graf in 2004...another publisher associated with Soros.

78 Percopius  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:50:25pm

re: #76 Maximu§

If the Republicans have any Balls, they will launch Senate hearings on this tomorrow.

We don't.

79 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:50:42pm

re: #50 BGOH

I subjected myself to some of Olbermann's "show" tonight because I had a hunch about the reaction that MSNBC and it's most useful idiot would have to this book. Sure enough, it was Olbermann's idea that Obama keep this book under the podium and whip it out during debates with McCain. He and his guests asked no questions of this book, it's sources, or the validity of it's claims. They simply took it as validation of every wild moonbat conspiracy they have been able to dream up over the past seven years.

George Soros got exactly what he wanted to out of this book. It lends "credence" to lefty talking points, and the MSM is going to accept it as the gospel truth. This s**t is only going to get worse before November, folks. Be prepared.

I wasn't aware John McCain worked for George Bush and I don't see the link between McCain and Katrina. I doubt McCain was doing much blow with the president either. Also, McCain doesn't hang out too much with Dick, Scooter and Carl. I'm not so concerned about a book rehashing old stories most of the world is done with and wouldn't buy if not for a liberal publisher providing indirect air and promotion. He sold out. /end of subj.

80 hepcat  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:50:45pm

I see Richard Holbrooke shows up awfully quick...
[Link: www.perseusllc.com...]

81 Israel4ever  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:51:02pm

here's Scott's agent: [Link: www.thewileyagency.com...]

he represents conservative writers it looks like...who is Ron Silver? (sorry, gotta do wiki on that one)

82 mitthrawnurdo  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:51:04pm

re: #72 Occasional Reader

You've got it all wrong...

You see, when a Democrat follows the polls, they are just doing "the people's interest" while if a Republican does that, they are just "shamelessly pandering".

/heads I win, tales you lose.

83 gman  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:51:06pm

Perseus Books has another gem in their collection /

The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder

Famed Charles Manson prosecutor and three-time #1 New York Times bestselling author Vincent Bugliosi has written the most powerful, explosive, and thought-provoking book of his storied career. In The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder, Bugliosi presents a tight, meticulously researched legal case that puts George W. Bush on trial in an American courtroom for the murder of nearly 4,000 American soldiers fighting the war in Iraq. Bugliosi sets forth the legal architecture and incontrovertible evidence that President Bush took this nation to war in Iraq under false pretenses-a war that has not only caused the deaths of American soldiers but also over 100,000 innocent Iraqi men, women, and children; cost the United States over one trillion dollars thus far with no end in sight; and alienated many American allies in the Western world

84 jaunte  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:51:13pm

Here's another connection:
"The Politics of Truth: A Diplomat's Memoir: Inside the Lies that Led to War and Betrayed My Wife's CIA Identity"
By Joe Wilson
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
Published by PublicAffairs
[Link: www.publicaffairsbooks.com...]
Peter Osnos, Founder and Editor-at-Large

85 FrogMarch  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:51:22pm

Related quote from Glenn's:

UPDATE: Clayton Cramer: "Still, I find myself asking this rather serious question: if, as McClellan says, he could see that Bush was intentionally misleading the nation into war back then, why didn't McClellan say anything? Why didn't he quit his job and blow the whistle? . . . It makes me wonder how much of this is that McClellan is trying to sell a book." Yes, it's hard to decide whether he comes off worse if he's lying, or if he's telling the truth.

MORE: Indeed: "It's not the disloyalty that bothers me. It's the press suddenly finding wisdom in a guy they previously disregarded as stupid and unreliable. It's inevitable that critical Bush-era memoirs will come out, but written by smarter people. I'll read those."

86 BGOH  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:51:22pm

re: #76 Maximu§

If the Republicans have any Balls, they will launch Senate hearings on this tomorrow.

I think we're going to have to wait for Palin and Jindal to mature a bit before this party grows any balls.

87 MrTunes  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:51:58pm

Click on the link for Public Affairs Books and you will find a books by Soros as well as by John & Teresa Kerry.

Move along, nothing to see here.

What a joke.

88 jcm  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:52:09pm

We know this is exclusive to LGF.

How long before talk radio (Hannity) "breaks" the story.

What are the chances this will ever see a MSM outlet?

89 pat  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:52:20pm

re: #81 Israel4ever

actor, reality based, moderate

90 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:52:28pm

re: #72 Occasional Reader

From what I've seen so far, the book seems like a yawn. So Bush "kept an eye on the polls"... golly! Unlike, say, Bill Clinton, who would never dream of doing such a thing, right?

Not to mention that the idea that Bush launched the Iraq war for political gain is laugh-out-loud idiotic. In the wake of the quick takedown of the Taliban/AQ axis in Afghanistan, Bush's approval rating was, what, in the 70s or so? Rove doubtless told him that it just doesn't get any better than that. Iraq represented ONLY downside risk for Bush in terms of political gain.

91 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:52:29pm

I don't really see anything nefarious here. McLellan called it like it is.

- Bush relies on his "gut" at least as much as his brain - that's not news.
- Bush isn't reflective, and everybody suffers for it - we knew that.
- Bush doesn't plan - we knew that too.
- His advisors and cabinet suck - check.
- They BS'ed us with a WMD media blitz on Iraq because WMD was the only angle they could sell - yup. Wolfowitz admitted as much.
- They f-cked up post-victory Iraq because, like typical Americans, they assumed everyone would love us and hey, we fixed Afghanistan, right? This shit will be easy! - also not news.

Either Mcwhatever has been a Sorosian tool from the beginning, or he's telling it like he saw it, and he knew the guy who'd write the biggest paycheck for Bush-bashing would be The Other George.

His assessment is truthful. His timing and delivery is tasteless.

92 Percopius  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:52:38pm

re: #83 gman

I have seen the future, and it is ridiculous.

93 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:52:46pm

re: #69 FrogMarch

This will be the new left-winger bible.

Why because it was written by a Judas? Let's see and read the thing before jumping to conclusions. All I've heard is it's empty, rehashing the old.

94 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:52:47pm

The Emperior has no clothes on ,for real!:(

95 Capitalist Tool  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:52:48pm

re: #77 J.S.

Valerie Plame's Hubbie wrote his own book, "The Politics of Truth: Inside the Lies that Led to War and Betrayed My Wife's CIA Identity," published by Carroll & Graf in 2004...another publisher associated with Soros.

And another pack of lies!

96 solomonpanting  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:53:51pm

re: #47 Maximu§

I wonder who brought him onboard the Bush Administration?

I hear it was Karen Hughes.

97 Killian Bundy  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:53:54pm

re: #88 jcm

We know this is exclusive to LGF.

/actually, someone of Fox mentioned the Soros connection this afternoon

98 saberry0530  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:53:59pm

re: #18 islandlibertarian

If George Soros jumped off the Empire State Building holding hands with
Ahmadenjad, how long would it take for them to hit the ground?
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
Who cares..................

Too Long for most people

99 Capitalist Tool  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:54:06pm

re: #83 gman

Fuck.
Them.

100 lawhawk  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:54:12pm

You know, if McClellan hadn't taken the spin that he has, not only wouldn't he have gotten the kind of attention from publishers that he did, but he wouldn't have nearly the press he's getting now.

He had to throw this kind of nonsense out there.

Who would want to hear from someone from the Administration who not only supports what happened, but who confirms and conforms to the Bush desire for loyalty over much else (including competence).

Heck, folks aren't paying attention to Doug Feith's book, despite the fact that many consider him the architect of the Iraq pre-war strategy. You'd think that he'd get reviewed and judged accordingly, but his book will likely find itself on the discount bin before long despite his role in the administration.

All because he lacks the hook that the publishers want.

McClellan is simply giving the publishers what they want, and he's getting what he wants in return. A nice book deal.

Take it for what that's worth.

101 Dave the.....  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:54:27pm
re: #5 Capitalist Tool

What does Soros have on McLellan?

$$$$

Yeah, I always wondered about the Vietnam vets who toured with Kerry in 2004. But that was the decision I made. Not so much cash payments, but the idea that they can fly around the country in jets, eat at the best places, stay in the nicest hotels, all paid for my the Kerry campaign.

102 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:54:30pm

re: #91 Pawn of the Oppressor

Wolfowitz admitted as much.

Link, please?

103 windhorse  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:54:42pm

McClellan..... you have nothing without your honor..... and baby... you are severely lacking in honor.

104 bluegrassredstate  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:54:53pm

is mcclellan too stupid to have actually written the book?

105 pat  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:55:06pm

When you are a liberal, you do not have to work for a living. Basement, to Borders, to Politics, to the wealth amassed by Fascists.

106 The Shadow Do  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:55:08pm

I almost feel sorry foir McClellan. I think he was in way over his head from day one, in an elevated position only on the strength of his personal relationship with the President. Instead of leaving gracefully and with the gratitude he no doubt owed, he instead sold all personal honor and family dignity for a few dirty bucks. You don't outlive that kind of thing.

107 FrogMarch  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:55:13pm

re: #93 unrealizedviewpoint

Why because it was written by a Judas? Let's see and read the thing before jumping to conclusions. All I've heard is it's empty, rehashing the old.

True. I don't plan on reading it but we already know it's about a disgruntled press secretary who thought Bush bungled the war. The left live and breath for that shit. S'all I'm saying.

108 jcm  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:55:33pm

re: #83 gman

Perseus Books has another gem in their collection /

The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder

This goes right in the trash:
Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy

If the same guy reasons that GWB could be prosecuted for murder, I can't trust his reasoning re: JFK.

109 Dave the.....  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:55:40pm
re: #76 Maximu§

If the Republicans have any Balls, they will launch Senate hearings on this tomorrow.

We don't.

If President Bush had balls, he would defend his policies. Go to the public and explain why he does what he does. Instead all we hear is the Bush haters bashing the President.

110 BGOH  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:55:42pm

re: #91 Pawn of the Oppressor

I've seen snippets of this book. From the little bit that I've seen, it is chock full of half-truths and outright distortions. I don't think anyone can sit there and claim that this book is truthful, but suffers from "bad timing." That's just dumb.

111 philosoteric  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:55:43pm

They're all connected. If nothing more then by sheer dogmatism.

112 mineral  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:55:49pm

The SEC has loads of links between Soros and Perseus, but you don't even have to go that far.

Google Soros and Osmos, and let the fun begin.

Here's the first link:

Osnos/Soros ABA/BEA Do-Si-Do
by Staff, PW Daily for Booksellers -- Publishers Weekly, 2/11/2005
The keynote speaker during the ABA's day of educational programming the Thursday before BEA opens will be George Soros, the financier, who will be interviewed by Peter Osnos, publisher and CEO of PublicAffairs. The theme of the day is how booksellers can both be socially conscious and run a profitable business.

113 jcm  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:56:12pm

re: #97 Killian Bundy

/actually, someone of Fox mentioned the Soros connection this afternoon

Awwww. *snaps fingers*

114 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:56:44pm

re: #106 The Shadow Do
I think it is more ,my name in History!:(

115 Capitalist Tool  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:57:39pm

Someone said today that McLellan was shafted by his editor/ghost writer and that Scott M. hadn't meant to have it come out like that. Think it was on Hannity.
/I know you think you understand what you think I said...

116 DesertSage  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:58:08pm

This whole thing may just backfire on Soros and the Lefties.

All of this Bush bashing for the past 5 years has reached a saturation point. That's the point where you start seeing a backlash. Maybe not a big backlash, but enough of one where McCain may benefit from it and Soros will be denied the presidency once again.

117 Maximu§  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:58:10pm

Perseus Funds Group, (holding company Perseus LLC) a capital management firm

I'm wonder just how much damage this little company has done to America?

118 jcm  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:58:43pm

re: #117 Maximu§

Perseus Funds Group, (holding company Perseus LLC) a capital management firm

I'm wonder just how much damage this little company has done to America?

Pernicious Fund, more aptly named.

119 winston06  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:59:10pm

good find. Why does Comrade Soros hate the country that has sheltered him and helped him become rich?

120 mattm  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:59:19pm

I once read a book published by Persus. A LLL Professor assigned it. The authors tried to disprove any studies that disagreed with their view by saying According to the XYZ "study," which was based on false information, etc.

121 Dave the.....  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:59:31pm

There is also this idea......perhaps Pres Bush did fanagle to get Iraq invaded. But his goal was to rid the world of a ruthless dictator and supporter of terrorism.

I don't hate Roosevelt for breaking US law by "loaning" weapons to England in 1940.

122 jaunte  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:59:45pm

More from Public Affairs:
MY GUANTANAMO DIARY
The Detainees and the Stories They Told Me
MAHVISH KHAN
[Link: www.publicaffairsbooks.com...]

123 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:59:54pm

Everyone needs to put this as a news item on Drudge.

Hell yeah!

John Williams in Texas, excellent.

Charles, your the man.

124 DesertSage  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:00:42pm

re: #119 winston06

good find. Why does Comrade Soros hate the country that has sheltered him and helped him become rich?

He can afford to hate this country, all of his money is sheltered offshore.

125 nyc redneck  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:00:47pm

soros is trying to buy the presidency for obama. he wants him in that bad.
is soros even a citizen of this country?

126 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:00:51pm

re: #116 DesertSage
They are trying to say mcCAIN IS THE NEXT BUSH, Third term!:(

127 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:00:58pm

re: #116 DesertSage

This whole thing may just backfire on Soros and the Lefties.

All of this Bush bashing for the past 5 years has reached a saturation point. That's the point where you start seeing a backlash. Maybe not a big backlash, but enough of one where McCain may benefit from it and Soros will be denied the presidency once again.

He may not get in this time, but, he'll get in. Does he own a cat?

128 NY Nana  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:01:01pm

re: #1 DesertSage

The cream always rises to the top.

Is that your way of getting around posting that you are Number One? ;)

129 gman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:01:04pm

re: #108 jcm

This goes right in the trash:
Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy

If the same guy reasons that GWB could be prosecuted for murder, I can't trust his reasoning re: JFK.

Look at the editorial review of the JFK book by Publishers Weekly. Apparently, George forgot to pay them:

Bugliosi is not always temperate in his language; for example, twice he makes the nonsensical claim that some Warren Commission critics "were screaming the word conspiracy before the fatal bullet had come to rest." His decision to devote twice as many pages to critiquing Oliver Stone's movie JFK as to his chapter on organized crime (identified by the chief counsel of the House Select Committee on Assassination as the likely conspirators) is a curious one, as is the choice to open the book with a dramatic re-creation of events surrounding the assassination rather than a straightforward chronology of the relevant facts/blockquote>

I smell moonbat!

130 Capitalist Tool  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:01:16pm

re: #119 winston06

good find. Why does Comrade Soros hate the country that has sheltered him and helped him become rich?

He's a smart sociopath.

131 The Shadow Do  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:01:24pm

re: #114 beachkatie

I think it is more ,my name in History!:(

Perhaps in his imagination. Truth is he will be a very obscure footnote in less than a month. A shame really.

132 Sharmuta  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:02:00pm

re: #119 winston06

Because he's "progressive" and the goal of the progressives is to make a "better" society.

133 Shaky Louie  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:02:15pm

Q: Is it true? Is Soros the main $ behind dailykommunist?
(I mean - kos)

It wouldn't surprise me.

134 Capitalist Tool  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:02:15pm

re: #126 beachkatie

They are trying to say mcCAIN IS THE NEXT BUSH, Third term!:(

"They" are calling him McSame.

135 The Shadow Do  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:02:43pm

re: #119 winston06

good find. Why does Comrade Soros hate the country that has sheltered him and helped him become rich?

Because he doesn't own it. Yet.

136 Cognito  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:03:07pm

Interesting.

I saw the McClellan story earlier and thought, "Huh, I wonder why one of the big houses didn't publish this book..."

Guess Scott already had a buyer.

137 DesertSage  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:03:33pm

re: #128 NY Nana

Is that your way of getting around posting that you are Number One? ;)

No Nana :')

My mother always used to say that, meaning the truth always comes out.

I'm off to see PBJ and Mr. PBJ.

138 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:03:50pm

Folks, submit the link for this down on the right side of the page.

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

139 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:04:25pm

re: #131 The Shadow Do
I re: #131 The Shadow Do

fOR SURE !

140 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:04:35pm

re: #102 Occasional Reader

Transcript of Wolfowitz's interview in Vanity Fair

"Wolfowitz: No, I think it happens to be correct. The truth is that for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on which was weapons of mass destruction as the core reason, but -"

He elaborated on this elsewhere (can't find the second interview), but basically he said that everybody had a laundry list of reasons to take out Saddam, and WMD was the only one that was at the top of everybody's list.

141 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:05:04pm

re: #138 formercorpsman

Folks, submit the link for this down on the right side of the page.

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

Has Drudge ever linked to LGF?
I don't think so.

142 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:05:13pm

I told you guys earlier that the Scott McClellan book had Soros' fingerprints on it. I was only half kidding.

Just how many Perseus-Soros companies ARE there?

143 The Shadow Do  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:05:15pm

Soros is to America as a rapist is to women.

144 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:05:25pm

re: #136 Cognito

Cognito, to me, this is massive.

This is close to election tampering.

145 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:05:32pm

If we dug deep would we find
PERSEUS-SOROS PRESIDENT OBAMA LLP

146 gman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:05:33pm

re: #119 winston06

good find. Why does Comrade Soros hate the country that has sheltered him and helped him become rich?

I think he derives a tremendous sense of power and importance from bashing the most powerful country in the world. It is one- upmanship in the most perverted sense

147 Dave the.....  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:05:51pm
re: #126 beachkatie

They are trying to say mcCAIN IS THE NEXT BUSH, Third term!:(

"They" are calling him McSame.

If you want to be childish like me, I retort by referring to B Hussien Obama as Nancy Pelosi's puppet. He only does what San Fran Nan and her San Francisco values dictate. May not be true, but it makes the liberals go crazy when you say that.

148 The Shadow Do  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:06:14pm

re: #136 Cognito

Interesting.

I saw the McClellan story earlier and thought, "Huh, I wonder why one of the big houses didn't publish this book..."

Guess Scott already had a buyer.

Follow the money, as always.

149 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:07:16pm

re: #141 unrealizedviewpoint

Actually, I could be wrong, but I think Charles may have referred to it before as a drudgealanche.

Either way, this is an excellent find, and if anyone should get the credit, well that goes without saying.

As per my first comment in the thread.

150 ContraJihadi  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:07:40pm

re: #59 Percopius

McClellan was not very good at his job, I thought.

Much less effective than Ari Fleischer, but that raises the question, Why did Ari quit?

We lizards know that Bush was to be preferred over Gore or Kerry, but we must suspect that Bush is a very flawed man. Do you all remember WH news conferences with AF? It was clear that he had to say things that he knew were not the untarnished, silver-shining truth. And it became clear that he was not comfortable saying such things. (This is not, however, to diminish his excellent efforts to deflate the sheer hatefulness of the press corps.)

151 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:07:51pm

The worms and insects believe themselves safe, hiding under their rocks, but the Lizard Army will always root them out. It brings a tear to my eye, it does.

Great work Mr. Williams, thank you for your service.

/time to bring the F.O.A.D. back, I think

152 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:08:11pm

re: #147 Dave the.....You are so right on man!:0!

153 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:08:44pm

re: #110 BGOHWho said anything about bad timing? When is it a good time to disparage your former employer?

Answer: In print, with your own words and your own name, immediately after you resign in protest.

If this was totally ghost-written, I bet he got a fat check from Soros up front and might not have known who he was dealing with...

154 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:09:15pm

re: #142 really grumpy big dog Johnson

It really makes you think.

This shit is amazing.

155 NY Nana  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:09:30pm

re: #119 winston06

He is totally amoral. The definition of 'amoral' should say 'Soros'.

156 pingjockey  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:09:33pm

Scotty is a girlie man. No honor, no cajones, no nuthin'.

157 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:09:51pm

re: #149 formercorpsman

Actually, I could be wrong, but I think Charles may have referred to it before as a drudgealanche.

Either way, this is an excellent find, and if anyone should get the credit, well that goes without saying.

As per my first comment in the thread.

Maybe I'm really dense. I just don't see the magnitude of this story. Come Monday we'll all know the publisher.

158 bluegrassredstate  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:10:13pm

well here are 6 other fun books by perseus.

they have some stuff that appears to be unbiased or whatever, but it probably isn't . . .

159 Racer X  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:10:30pm

The Celtics and Pistons are putting on a clinic in futility.

The Lakers will obliterate either one of these teams.

160 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:10:43pm

John Williams, you're a great man.

161 brainwizard73  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:10:52pm

Soros probably promised McCellan a date with some Hollywood hottie...

...Geena Davis
...Madonna
...Sean Penn

162 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:10:55pm

re: #126 beachkatie

They are trying to say mcCAIN IS THE NEXT BUSH, Third term!:(

Barack has been saying that very same thing in his speeches.

163 Electron Shuffler  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:11:13pm

Thank you John Williams! Good Work!

Even tho he's on tape delay here Mark Levin ripped Scott McClellan a new one.

Time for Bed! 23:00 on the East Coast.

164 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:11:33pm

re: #140 Pawn of the Oppressor

Transcript of Wolfowitz's interview in Vanity Fair

"Wolfowitz: No, I think it happens to be correct. The truth is that for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on which was weapons of mass destruction as the core reason, but -"

He elaborated on this elsewhere (can't find the second interview), but basically he said that everybody had a laundry list of reasons to take out Saddam, and WMD was the only one that was at the top of everybody's list.

And the problem with that is...? This is a far cry from "admitting" it was "B.S.".

As John Keegan pointed out; even if the CIA had achieved 100% penetration of Saddam's general staff, they would have gotten the same information; all Saddam's generals believed that there was a secret WMD stash, they just all believed that someone else controlled it. WMD was "made" the headline reason because it WAS the headline reason. But Bush laid out the entire case, time and again.

165 pingjockey  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:11:41pm

re: #161 brainwizard73
Hah! he's gonna get a date with Spiccoli!

166 NY Nana  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:11:43pm

re: #137 DesertSage

My mother always used to say that, meaning the truth always comes out.

I'm off to see PBJ and Mr. PBJ.

So did mine!

Give them my best.....enjoy!

167 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:11:51pm

re: #154 formercorpsman
the Lizard army has to be ready in near future to take care of business in our country! Be there!:)

168 SnakeSpit  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:12:24pm

re: #3 Alouette

So does the scum.


Turds float too.

169 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:12:24pm

re: #157 unrealizedviewpoint

OK, my point about submission, is having recognition.

Correct, it will be news.

I would not know John Williams to trip over him. However, he has taken some time to do what the professionals should be doing once this became a rumor.

I see nothing wrong, at all, with trying to shine a light on Charles, and the folks here, because of it.

Is this wrong?

170 WayDownSouthInBama  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:12:33pm

Soros? Hey,turn over enough rocks.... Soros did say he was willing to spend quite a sum of money to get Bush out of office. Remember,he didn't say HOW he was going to spend it.

171 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:12:39pm

Time for bed. Good night.

172 brainwizard73  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:12:42pm

re: #165 pingjockey

Hah! he's gonna get a date with Spiccoli!

It just never gets old ripping some of these people...its like the gift that keeps on giving.

173 jaunte  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:13:42pm

More background thinking from PublicAffairs about "root causes." (Because the conflict is about what we do, you see).


"The many conflicts in the Middle East—in Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Palestine, and Israel—all have their special features, but they also interact with one another. Conveying this interaction has been one challenge of this book. Another has been to acknowledge the importance of the issues connected with American policies in the Middle East, and the strong feelings they excite, without getting lost in polemics. The polarization of opinion is often reflected in books that are seen as being for or against Israel, sympathetic to the Iraq War, or unremittingly hostile, cynical, or forgiving about official motives."


A CHOICE OF ENEMIES
America Confronts the Middle East
LAWRENCE FREEDMAN
[Link: www.publicaffairsbooks.com...]

174 ContraJihadi  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:13:53pm

re: #167 beachkatie

the Lizard army has to be ready in near future to take care of business in our country! Be there!:)

I agree with you in spirit, but I am 61 years old and never the most athletic of men. Perhaps the future resistance will need clerks.

175 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:13:53pm

re: #171 Occasional Reader
Sweet dream to ya!

176 pingjockey  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:14:19pm

re: #172 brainwizard73
It is too damn easy. Not a one of that hollyweird bunch has the smarts to pour sand out of a boot even with instructions printed on the sole.

177 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:15:02pm

re: #174 ContraJihadi
Just vote !:)

178 brainwizard73  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:15:16pm

Quick all you politico wonks out there:

What is the over under on the number of times that the phrase "speaking truth to power" will be used on MSNBC before the end of business on Sunday?

I think I would set the number at 158.

179 mich-again  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:15:52pm

This looks like Soros latest attempt to sidestep American laws. The "business" doesn't get reported as a political organization, so George can sink millions and millions into his propaganda machine without all those pesky McCain-Feingold forms to fill out.

180 The Shadow Do  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:16:01pm

re: #157 unrealizedviewpoint

Maybe I'm really dense. I just don't see the magnitude of this story. Come Monday we'll all know the publisher.

I think the import is that this is yet another note in the recurrent theme best expressed in the Dan Rather concerto of the last election. This is dirty politics, dirty money at work. McClellan is just another tool. In the old days the CIA expression was "trick fuck". We will be seeing a lot more of this and it is imperative that every instance of said TF be exposed ASAP.

181 ContraJihadi  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:16:14pm

re: #177 beachkatie

That much I can do and have done.

182 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:16:17pm

re: #155 NY Nana

He is totally amoral. The definition of 'amoral' should say 'Soros'.

Even his last name is an anagram. Soros was probably so pissed about how the Wilson-Plame affair turned out that he just had to get back at the GOP, at any cost. Notice the "liberal" mention of that affair in the news tonight?

It's no accident. Wilson-Plame was Soro's grand plan to bring down the triumphirate of Bush/Cheney/Rove, and it failed miserably.

183 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:16:19pm

re: #169 formercorpsman

Oh no. You are not, nor could you be wrong in this matter my friend.

184 brainwizard73  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:16:50pm

re: #174 ContraJihadi

I agree with you in spirit, but I am 61 years old and never the most athletic of men. Perhaps the future resistance will need clerks.

Hey, all armies need supply sarge's.

185 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:17:34pm
186 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:18:11pm

re: #150 ContraJihadi

Actually, Fleisher went held numerous press conferences just about everyday after 9/11 for what? A year?
My guess is with the Iraq war having just started a couple of months before he resigned, he could see he'd go through the same thing again, numerous press conferences on a daily basis.
MacClellan had been his deputy for 2 1/2 years, so he decided he didn't want to go through that again, especially since he had just got married.

187 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:18:46pm

re: #176 pingjockeyAmen to that! But it is Hollywood elite that are socialist!

188 brainwizard73  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:18:53pm

re: #179 mich-again

This looks like Soros latest attempt to sidestep American laws. The "business" doesn't get reported as a political organization, so George can sink millions and millions into his propaganda machine without all those pesky McCain-Feingold forms to fill out.

You obviously didn't get the memo: We have taken money out of politics.

Go back to your cave, you hill-country troglodyte, and let me eat a waffle!

189 Bill Jefferson  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:19:14pm

Scott's brother Mark, former FDA commish, landed at the left-leaning Brookings Institution and heads the Engelberg health care reform initiative there.

190 Cognito  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:19:44pm

Well, the Rachael Ray Dunkin' Donuts story has hit the front page of Yahoo...

191 gman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:20:05pm

re: #123 formercorpsman

Everyone needs to put this as a news item on Drudge.

Hell yeah!

John Williams in Texas, excellent.

Charles, your the man.

I just submitted this to Drudge. Let's get the word out!

192 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:20:14pm

I'm anxiously awaiting my 1st real meal in weeks; Lamb, taters, salad. I can't stand another microwaved single serving meal.
/Kitchen remodeling.

193 brainwizard73  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:20:36pm

re: #189 Bill Jefferson

Scott's brother Mark, former FDA commish, landed at the left-leaning Brookings Institution and heads the Engelberg health care reform initiative there.

After this dust-up, the only job Scott will be able to get will be changing urinal cakes at the Brookings Institution...oh, but they are all low-flo...don't worry.

194 ContraJihadi  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:20:47pm

re: #184 brainwizard73

re: #184 brainwizard73

Hey, all armies need supply sarge's.

Where do I sign?

Seriously, I'll soon relocate from this insane Marin County, otherwise known as Barbara Boxer land, to a somewhat more patriotic part of California (relatively speaking, you understand). There I'll welcome any lizard help in making contacts.

/Reporting for duty with pencil and clipboard in hand--or is it laptop and spreadsheet?

195 big L  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:21:00pm

73 nyc redneck- yes scott stayed 3 yrs with all these disagreements---and Obama stayed 20 yrs listening to REv Wright...only later realizing there were things said that OTHERS did not like.

196 Racer X  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:21:17pm

re: #190 Cognito

Well, the Rachael Ray Dunkin' Donuts story has hit the front page of Yahoo...

news.google too.

197 LeonidasOfSparta  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:21:21pm

re: #180 The Shadow Do

amen, Shadow. Pathetic tricks by pathetic desperate little men.

TF indeed. I surely hope, as you say, that each TF is exposed for what it is, and those perpetrating said TF are exposed for who they are, and their entire house of TF cards tumbles down before election day.

198 stevieray  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:21:53pm

re: #150 ContraJihadi

Much less effective than Ari Fleischer, but that raises the question, Why did Ari quit?

We lizards know that Bush was to be preferred over Gore or Kerry, but we must suspect that Bush is a very flawed man. Do you all remember WH news conferences with AF? It was clear that he had to say things that he knew were not the untarnished, silver-shining truth. And it became clear that he was not comfortable saying such things. (This is not, however, to diminish his excellent efforts to deflate the sheer hatefulness of the press corps.)

I think it had more to do with job burn-out than anything else. Dealing with the press on a daily basis has got to be draining... especially as the voice of a Republican administration.

199 solomonpanting  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:21:56pm

McClellan’s father had to resign from the Texas Bar. Perhaps the son inherited some ill-fitting genes.

200 BGOH  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:22:02pm

re: #153 Pawn of the Oppressor

Who said anything about bad timing? When is it a good time to disparage your former employer?

Answer: In print, with your own words and your own name, immediately after you resign in protest.

If this was totally ghost-written, I bet he got a fat check from Soros up front and might not have known who he was dealing with...

I think I may have read your post a bit hastily, and I'm sorry. Sometimes I try to read these fast moving posts too fast and I end up zoning a bit.

I honestly wonder if Scott was just hard up for cash and took a ghost-written book deal on a small lib-tard, Soros funded publishing company believing that people would be able to see right through it. I guess the appearances on the Today Show and Olbermann's nightly travesty blow that whole theory out the window, though.

There is absolutely no way McClellan comes out of this with anything even resembling a shred of credibility.

201 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:22:11pm

re: #180 The Shadow Do

I think the import is that this is yet another note in the recurrent theme best expressed in the Dan Rather concerto of the last election. This is dirty politics, dirty money at work. McClellan is just another tool. In the old days the CIA expression was "trick fuck". We will be seeing a lot more of this and it is imperative that every instance of said TF be exposed ASAP.

I follow, and agree.. I guess.
Yet, by the end of next week the traitor will have his retirement in the bag, and we and MoveOn will have moved on.

202 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:22:28pm

re: #192 Killgore Trout

Killgore, my damn reply earlier was an actual laugh with soda hitting my sinuses after reading your post.

203 big L  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:22:37pm

-time for the "blinking memo" of the Corporate management list....

204 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:22:39pm

Socialists hate McCain, endorse Obama....
Socialist Party VP nominee calls McCain “reckless” on Iran

The ongoing reckless statements by Senator McCain are another indication that the Republican presidential frontrunner is mapping a road to the White House by staying the course that has been paved by President Bush; a course that will continue to advance U.S. imperialism, a course that will continue to benefit the rich at the expense of working people, and a course that has spiraled the U.S. economy into the worst recession since the Great Depression.

Stewart A. Alexander
Nominee for Vice President Socialist Party USA
Candidate for Vice President Peace and Freedom Party

Shocka!

205 ridemedic  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:22:53pm

John Williams, well done!
They can't hide, we can find 'em . . ...
There are no caves left to hide in, lefties!

206 BGOH  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:23:29pm

re: #190 Cognito

Well, the Rachael Ray Dunkin' Donuts story has hit the front page of Yahoo...

It was just on my local 11:00 news, too. Bravo to Charles and Michelle for pushing that story out into the open!

207 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:23:50pm

re: #192 Killgore Trout
Are you on that Nutrasystem DIET? iT TAKES BALL'S TO LOSE THIS WEIGHT!

208 mich-again  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:23:59pm

re: #188 brainwizard73

You obviously didn't get the memo: We have taken money out of politics.

Ha. Really, McCain Feingold went after the grass roots organizations that get a million people to give $10 each. Special Interests: Bad! Now, as for the Billionaire who writes a check for $10 million to a political cause, hey no problem there.

209 seekeroftruth  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:24:00pm

re: #169 formercorpsman

I think you are exactly right.
Take a look at this link - Wexler wants McClellan to testify before Congress about his book. Not a big jump to see where this is going - What a great way to take the eye off of Obama the Giant Gaffe Machine.

[Link: www.palmbeachpost.com...]

U.S. Rep. Robert Wexler, who has relentlessly pushed for impeachment proceedings against Vice President Dick Cheney, says former White House press secretary Scott McClellan should be compelled to testify before a congressional committee regarding the allegations made in McClellan’s tell-all book about the Bush administration.

“The admissions made by Scott McClellan in his new book are earth-shattering and allege facts to establish that Karl Rove and Scooter Libby - and possibly Vice President Cheney - conspired to obstruct justice by lying about their role in the Plame Wilson matter and that the Bush administration deliberately lied to the American people in order to take us to war in Iraq,” Wexler said in a statement.

210 Israel4ever  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:24:17pm

reading Scott's agent's website, he says that this book deal was the "biggest in this publisher's history"

wonder how much that is?

211 jaunte  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:24:59pm

Exposing Washington's spinning permanent campaign
Didn't we read this story about the "permanent campaign" back in the Clinton years?
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

212 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:27:17pm

re: #207 beachkatie That isn;t the way i would have said it! really!:)

213 Adrenalyn  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:27:33pm

anyone else notice the editors name spelled backwards

Osnos is "so N so"
when my mamma called someone a so n' so
it meant she was saying they were a fucker

214 nyc redneck  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:27:51pm

it's essentially a soros vanity press.
how embarrassing for mcclellan

215 The Shadow Do  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:27:55pm

re: #201 unrealizedviewpoint

I follow, and agree.. I guess.
Yet, by the end of next week the traitor will have his retirement in the bag, and we and MoveOn will have moved on.

True. Though McClellan will have lost all friends and all honor. And the Lefties will have lost another talking point.

Get ready for the next one 'cause it is sure to be coming.

216 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:27:55pm

re: #210 Israel4ever

reading Scott's agent's website, he says that this book deal was the "biggest in this publisher's history"

wonder how much that is?

I'd never heard of them before. Has anybody here heard of them? What else have they published?

217 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:28:16pm

re: #209 seekeroftruth

Bingo.

And Pelosi jumped on it, Obama has commented on it.

It tells me this is all orchestrated, and you can't tell me this is not about setting up the pins, and letting them get knocked down.

I will never defend Larry Craig, or that other Republican douche with the Paige scandal, but this was information they held.

Gotcha politics, fine.

Financing by folks who manipulate currency markets, all the while those in receipt of those funds are going to clean it up.

Bullshit.

218 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:28:36pm

re: #209 seekeroftruth

I think you are exactly right.
Take a look at this link - Wexler wants McClellan to testify before Congress about his book. Not a big jump to see where this is going - What a great way to take the eye off of Obama the Giant Gaffe Machine.

[Link: www.palmbeachpost.com...]

Wexler's a useless little worm who relishes the role of the relentless persecutor. Perhaps McClellan should go under oath, however. It is a very serious crime to lie before Congress, and something tells me he's gonna have to lie or else this whole sham will be exposed.

Wait a minute, I forgot who controls the committees. This will just be another show trial.

219 Wendya  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:29:12pm

re: #34 FrogMarch

McClellen is going to be very rich man.

Great. He can buy a house next door to Valerie and Joe and lower the collective IQ of Santa Fe even further.

220 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:29:28pm

re: #214 nyc redneckHey sweety! I decided to come back today!How have you been?

221 WayDownSouthInBama  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:30:09pm

One thing Bush should have learned from Bill Clinton,the first step is to clean house. Bll Clinton,for whatever else one may think of the man,was smart enough to know that if there was anyone in your administration that you questioned,fire them fast! Bush held over people he should have got rid of and brought in people that should have never been brought in. It's cost him dearly for his entire presidency.

222 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:30:16pm

I cannot help but think of Ludlum.

223 nyc redneck  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:30:44pm

re: #220 beachkatie

Hey sweety! I decided to come back today!How have you been?

really good, and glad to see you back.

224 Cognito  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:31:22pm

re: #206 BGOH

It was just on my local 11:00 news, too. Bravo to Charles and Michelle for pushing that story out into the open!

I dunno.

I've got conflicted feelings on this. They go something like this:

1) Hm. That looks like a black-and-white koffayah. Which is a bit weird, in the context of donuts. Annoyance level: 3.

2) Then again, I've spent enough time in Arab countries to know that a koffayah just ain't a big deal. They're darned useful, actually. Annoyance level: 1.

3) Then again, this appears to be the old black-and-white Palastinian koffayah, which carries more symbolism than mere desert gear. Annoyance level: 4.

4) But WAIT, it turns out it's not a koffayah at all, but rather a black-and-white paisley scarf. Annoyance level: 6, at myself, for bothering to pay attention to this. There are real problems in the world. Rachael Ray's accessories aren't among them.

225 ContraJihadi  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:31:26pm

re: #198 stevieray

I think it had more to do with job burn-out than anything else. Dealing with the press on a daily basis has got to be draining... especially as the voice of a Republican administration.

Aye, without a doubt; but if I had the contacts of a practiced journalist and the perseverance, I'd like to test my hypothesis, that Ari became exhausted having to defend pronouncements that he knew were flawed. ... But, yes, building a new life with a spouse will cause anyone to reevaluate the old way of life.

226 seekeroftruth  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:31:40pm

re: #217 formercorpsman

Yup. This is the same crap they did with the Valerie Plame & Scooter Libby story and the CBS/ Dan Rather story. It's all coordinated, including with the damn MSM.

227 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:31:45pm

re: #220 beachkatie
Rememer i am from the South... we talk that way!

228 calcajun  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:32:36pm

re: #1 DesertSage

so does the scum

229 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:32:43pm

re: #221 WayDownSouthInBama

One thing Bush should have learned from Bill Clinton,the first step is to clean house. Bll Clinton,for whatever else one may think of the man,was smart enough to know that if there was anyone in your administration that you questioned,fire them fast! Bush held over people he should have got rid of and brought in people that should have never been brought in. It's cost him dearly for his entire presidency.

Didn't G.H.W. Bush have the same affliction?

230 seekeroftruth  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:32:56pm

re: #218 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I agree - for once I would like to see the Democrat players under oath and before the Congress.

231 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:33:09pm

re: #224 Cognito

Cog, some times ya just get it, and sometimes ya don't.

232 Charles  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:33:19pm

re: #224 Cognito

4) But WAIT, it turns out it's not a koffayah at all, but rather a black-and-white paisley scarf. Annoyance level: 6, at myself, for bothering to pay attention to this. There are real problems in the world. Rachael Ray's accessories aren't among them.

And you know it's a "paisley scarf" ... how, exactly?

233 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:33:42pm

re: #223 nyc redneck
Were you live nyc redneck

234 ethanxxx  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:33:52pm

Since Keith Olberman just called me a "Jihadist"... can I now call that little Butt-Pirate a Worthless Sack of Progressive S**T? These useful idiots are getting closer everyday to crossing that proverbial line... I'm starting to wish they would.

Olberman compares Right-Wingers to Jihadists.

235 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:34:34pm

re: #233 beachkatie NYC?

236 nyc redneck  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:35:14pm

re: #233 beachkatie

Were you live nyc redneck

well right now, i'm back in the city :(

237 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:35:14pm

re: #226 seekeroftruth

He is going to make the run for all the morning shows.

It will be cycled around the clock.

Imagine if this was Dee Dee Myers?

The story line would be her being criminal.

What is on this post, if out ahead of the dog and pony show, can at least create the element of doubt, and not just let it be put out as gospel.

238 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:35:17pm

re: #231 unrealizedviewpoint

And this is one of those that you don't. And you're pissin off Charles again too.

239 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:36:07pm

re: #224 Cognito

koffayah

KEFFIYAH.

KEFFIYAH.

Ya' fucking dolt.

240 Mich-again  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:36:24pm

The book led off the discussion at the State Department briefing today.

QUESTION: Just any comment on his harsh accusations against Secretary Rice?

MR. CASEY: You mean the accusations that are in a book that hasn’t been published yet, so therefore, at least I haven’t seen it. No, I think – I understand the White House has made a comment about it. I’d really refer to them for any comment. That’s where Scott worked and, you know, hey, everybody’s got to make a living after they leave government, so I guess he’s doing it, too.

QUESTION: Just to be a bit more specific on that, his specific comments were that no matter – that Secretary Rice was deft at protecting her reputation, he has – you know, he said, even when there were problems relating to matters under her direct purview, including, you know, weapons of mass destruction, rationale for the war in Iraq, the decision to invade Iraq, and post-war planning and implementation of the strategy in Iraq. And he also predicts that there will be a harsh, sort of, historical view or a view of Secretary Rice’s actions both as Secretary of State and of National Security Advisor. I wonder if you had any comment on this.

MR. CASEY: Gee, I’m glad he didn’t, you know, decide to take a view of how, you know, history will judge his fellow spokespeople or himself for that matter. Look, Scott’s trying to sell a book. I’m glad he’s trying to sell a book. I haven’t seen it. I don’t have any comment on it except to refer you to the White House. And they’ve already spoken to it, I think, twice today, so I’ll leave it at that.

A bit edgy. I like that guy.

241 MacGregor  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:36:41pm

... but, but Soros said he was quitting politics.

This is going to come as quite a blow to MoveOn.org and a host of other far-left moonbat groups, as their chief financier, transnational “progressive” George Soros, appears to be getting disillusioned: Anti-W Soros: I Quit Politics. (Hat tip: LawHawk.)

September 29, 2006 — Billionaire liberal financier George Soros, who spent millions of his fortune trying to oust President Bush in 2004, yesterday said he hopes to stay out of politics from now on.

“In the future, I’d very much like to get disengaged from politics,” Soros said at a Council on Foreign Relations meeting on the Upper East Side. “I’m interested in policy and not in politics.”

Charles: I’m not holding my breath, though.

242 jaunte  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:36:45pm

re: #224 Cognito

"Annoyance level: 6, at myself, for bothering to pay attention to this."

You just wrote a lot of words about something that you say doesn't matter?

243 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:36:53pm

re: #232 Charles

And you know it's a "paisley scarf" ... how, exactly?

We must never question the robomedia...

244 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:37:20pm

re: #221 WayDownSouthInBama

That's because Clinton (like Obama), will throw people, even those who were extremely loyal to him, under the bus if it's politically expedient.

President Bush is not that way, and maybe it has cost him, but he cares about the people who work for him. They're like family. He truly cares about those people, and even when it hurts him politically, he'll stick by them because of their loyalty to him.

245 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:37:32pm

re: #232 Charles

I think that is what her stylist referred to it as.

It must be true.

246 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:37:45pm

re: #239 MandyManners

And, yes,l that was harsh of me but, for fuck's sake.

Really.

I should be gentle with a Lizard old enough to know better?

247 pat  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:37:52pm

Mandy! lol

248 Cognito  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:37:55pm

re: #232 Charles

And you know it's a "paisley scarf" ... how, exactly?

I don't know diddley. But Dunkin' Donuts said it was a paisley scarf, and they had little reason to lie, since they made the statement as they were yanking the series of advertisments.

So I went and looked at the photo. And I'll be darned, it does appear to be a paisley pattern, and certainly unlike any koffayah I've ever seen.

Is it a confusing, dumb move by her stylist? Yeah. It looks like a koffayah.

Is it worth vitriol and anguish? Nah. It's Rachael Ray.

249 jaunte  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:38:01pm

re: #241 MacGregor

“I’m interested in policy and not in politics.”
Now there's a distinction without a difference.

250 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:39:03pm

*achoo*

Allergies suck.

251 seekeroftruth  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:39:05pm

re: #237 formercorpsman

He is going to make the run for all the morning shows.

It will be cycled around the clock.

Imagine if this was Dee Dee Myers?

The story line would be her being criminal.

What is on this post, if out ahead of the dog and pony show, can at least create the element of doubt, and not just let it be put out as gospel.

Absolutely. Thank goodness for the internet, Charles, bloggers, talk radio, and all of of us unwashed masses who are news junkies and aren't afraid to use google.
I lift my glass to all of the above. : - )

252 pat  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:39:07pm

I don't know the scarf orgination. The story made it clear that all the lefty moonbats THOUGHT it was a Muslim Terror Rag.

253 Cognito  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:39:39pm

re: #239 MandyManners

KEFFIYAH.

KEFFIYAH.

Ya' fucking dolt.

Uh, no. It depends where you learn to pronounce the word. There's not a particular transliteration from Arabic to English.

Clearly you've got a firm grasp of potty-to-English transliteration, though.

254 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:39:41pm

re: #239 MandyManners

KEFFIYAH.

KEFFIYAH.

Ya' fucking dolt.

Keffiyeh is often spelled kaffiyah, keffiya, kaffiya, kufiya or some other variation. There is little basis for considering any one of these more correct than the others, as the varied spellings simply show different understandings of the pronunciation in Arabic, which differs from region to region, as well as different methods of transliteration from the Arabic alphabet to the Latin alphabet.

255 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:39:46pm

re: #248 Cognito

[Link: www.middleeastfacts.com...]

256 Charles  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:40:01pm

re: #248 Cognito

I don't know diddley. But Dunkin' Donuts said it was a paisley scarf, and they had little reason to lie, since they made the statement as they were yanking the series of advertisments.

So I went and looked at the photo. And I'll be darned, it does appear to be a paisley pattern, and certainly unlike any koffayah I've ever seen.

Is it a confusing, dumb move by her stylist? Yeah. It looks like a koffayah.

Is it worth vitriol and anguish? Nah. It's Rachael Ray.

If you want to seem knowledgeable on the subject, it might help if you learn how to spell "kaffiyeh" for starters.

And you seem to be able to discern details in blown-up low-resolution images that elude most other people.

257 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:40:56pm

re: #248 Cognito

[Link: sabbah.biz...]

258 ContraJihadi  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:41:03pm

re: #234 ethanxxx

Since Keith Olberman just called me a "Jihadist"... can I now call that little Butt-Pirate a Worthless Sack of Progressive S**T? These useful idiots are getting closer everyday to crossing that proverbial line... I'm starting to wish they would.

Olberman compares Right-Wingers to Jihadists.


It's not clear to me why anybody pays any attention to this Olberman person at all. Am I so removed from the currents of obsessive popularity? Is it a case that although this person is utterly absurd, so many people are likely to believe what he says that to ignore him would be to leave a popularly accepted line of "thinking" unanswered?

Believe me, I am perplexed.

259 JeremyR  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:41:15pm

re: #239 MandyManners

Need to ding him on content, not speeling. We all can misspell, but when we get stoopid......

260 pat  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:41:22pm

Neither Dunkin Donuts or Rachel Ray are or were at fault. I am sure neither knew or thought about the scarf. It was the Media company that did the set up.

261 WayDownSouthInBama  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:41:30pm

re: #229 MandyManners

Yes he did. He also had one other fault...trusting the word of liberals (read my lips). G.H.W Bush made a deal with the leftists and they stabbed him in the back BIG TIME. That should've been a lesson for his son but it doesn't seem to have been. Now we face the prospect of a person being president,McCain,who has kissed up to the leftists more than both Bush's together ever dreamed of doing. Mark my words,if McCain does become president,the leftist he has kissed up to will be his undoing.

262 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:41:51pm

Hey all Y'all - how is everyone this evening? What have I missed?!

263 JeremyR  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:42:37pm

re: #250 MandyManners

*achoo*

Allergies suck.

Allergic to stoopid?

264 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:42:38pm

re: #248 Cognito

[Link: edition.cnn.com...]

265 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:43:09pm

re: #237 formercorpsman

Imagine if this was Dee Dee Myers?

The story line would be her being criminal

Excellent point there Corpsman.

266 Israel4ever  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:43:28pm

re: #262 realwest

Hey all Y'all - how is everyone this evening? What have I missed?!

Well, I posted Scott's agent's website, and I'm trying to figure out what "biggest deal in this publisher's history" means in dollar amounts.

And then Mandy called someone a fucking dolt.

And now we're back to Dunkin Donuts.
:)

267 NY Nana  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:43:44pm

re: #182 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Even his last name is an anagram. Soros was probably so pissed about how the Wilson-Plame affair turned out that he just had to get back at the GOP, at any cost. Notice the "liberal" mention of that affair in the news tonight?

It's no accident. Wilson-Plame was Soro's grand plan to bring down the triumphirate of Bush/Cheney/Rove, and it failed miserably.

I can't remember the original family surname, but the father changed it to Soros during the nazi takeover of Hungary, as they were Jews. To me? They were a disgrace...shandas...there have been stories re collaboration.

I agree with your assessment of the Wilson/Plame kerfuffle.

President Bush isn't perfect, but I cannot remember this many knives being put in a President's back.

And look at the selection for November...*sigh*.

I will vote for McCain for sure, but not with a giant smile on my face. He just has to win. Anyone who stays home pouting?

They can only blame themselves if the worst happens with Hussein or Shrill...she is capable of a giant 'October surprise'...

268 jaunte  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:44:33pm

re: #258 ContraJihadi

From your link:

"Is Olby still merely approaching self-parody or has he with this at last attained full-fledged self-parodic nirvana?"


...I think he saw that in the rear-view mirror a while back.

269 Adrenalyn  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:44:45pm

problem with the Dee Dee Myers supposition is simple
no one has offered her the kind of money Soros must have offered McCllelan

270 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:44:57pm

re: #263 JeremyR

Allergic to stoopid?


Hey there - nah, it can't be that Mandy is allergic to stupid since she doesn't sneeze at many of my comments!
I think it's just that time of year; Mom's been sneezing and coughing like crazy from the tree pollen down here.
How are you doing this evening?

271 JeremyR  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:45:07pm

re: #262 realwest

Hey all Y'all - how is everyone this evening? What have I missed?!

Evening RW, trying to catch up myself. Just went Telly shopping for the missus. It is now set up and she is loving it.

272 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:45:07pm

re: #234 ethanxxx

Heh, at about the 40 sec. mark he drops that fake voice he normally uses for film/recordings and reverts to his natural voice for a while. This piece must really have him flustered.
/

273 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:46:01pm

re: #253 Cognito

Uh, no. It depends where you learn to pronounce the word. There's not a particular transliteration from Arabic to English.

Clearly you've got a firm grasp of potty-to-English transliteration, though.

At least I am able to render my meaning clear when I tell you to "go fuck yourself."

Keep it up with this disdain for "potty" language.

In the meantime,

FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU

274 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:46:07pm

re: #266 Israel4ever

Well, I posted Scott's agent's website, and I'm trying to figure out what "biggest deal in this publisher's history" means in dollar amounts.

And then Mandy called someone a fucking dolt.

And now we're back to Dunkin Donuts.
:)

and most import is Charles is tearing into Cognito again.

275 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:46:14pm

re: #232 Charles

Back when I lived in Chicago, a lot of Dunkin' Donuts franchises were owned by Arabs. There was also another donut franchise called BOSA, that supposedly was an acronym for "Brothers Of Saudi Arabia".

276 Cognito  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:46:23pm

re: #256 Charles

If you want to seem knowledgeable on the subject, it might help if you learn how to spell "kaffiyeh" for starters.

And you seem to be able to discern details in blown-up low-resolution images that elude most other people.

Come on, Charles.

1) I'm not wrong on the spelling, but if you have a particular favorite transliteration, I'm happy to adopt it. For what it's worth, you seem to be giving weight to the Palestinian pronunciation there.

2) Maybe I'm off in my viewing of the scarf. But again, I'm not sure why Dunkin' Donuts would lie about it at this point -- at this point -- and it certainly doesn't look like any kaffiyeh I've ever seen.

Mainly my point is that I've had a look at the whole scuffle, and I don't feel all that worked up over it, especially in light of Dunkin' Donuts' reaction.

277 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:47:11pm

re: #266 Israel4ever Ah, well that certainly clears things up for me! Thankew very much!
How the hell did we get back to Dunkin Donuts?! Did they send out another e-mail or something?

278 JeremyR  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:47:58pm

re: #270 realwest

Hey there - nah, it can't be that Mandy is allergic to stupid since she doesn't sneeze at many of my comments!
I think it's just that time of year; Mom's been sneezing and coughing like crazy from the tree pollen down here.
How are you doing this evening?

Massive headache. We had a radiator break last winter in a place and it got a little moldy under the floor where it leaked. We tore that mess up today. Took three of us to drag the old hunk of cast out the door.
So my brain is in dull mode right now.

279 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:48:00pm

re: #269 Adrenalyn

Not my point.

The media would spin this as her in the wrong.

McClellan, he is just doing the lord's work for the democrats.

280 seekeroftruth  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:48:16pm

re: #276 Cognito


Mainly my point is that I've had a look at the whole scuffle, and I don't feel all that worked up over it, especially in light of Dunkin' Donuts' reaction.

Then stop talking about it.

281 jaunte  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:48:23pm

re: #277 realwest

Thread-diversion...

282 Cognito  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:48:33pm

re: #277 realwest

Ah, well that certainly clears things up for me! Thankew very much!
How the hell did we get back to Dunkin Donuts?! Did they send out another e-mail or something?

The Dunkin' Donuts story has hit Yahoo and Google News.

283 The Shadow Do  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:49:33pm

re: #258 ContraJihadi

I

t's not clear to me why anybody pays any attention to this Olberman person at all. Am I so removed from the currents of obsessive popularity? Is it a case that although this person is utterly absurd, so many people are likely to believe what he says that to ignore him would be to leave a popularly accepted line of "thinking" unanswered?

Believe me, I am perplexed.


I think it is like Paris running around without her panties. When you got nuthin' what you gonna' do?

/picture Keith Olberman without his panties........heh

284 Cognito  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:50:09pm

re: #280 seekeroftruth

Then stop talking about it.

okey dokey

285 Adrenalyn  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:50:22pm

re: #279 formercorpsman

Not my point.

The media would spin this as her in the wrong.

McClellan, he is just doing the lord's work for the democrats.

not to counter your point at all.....
just betting that the money McClellan is getting is far more than would have been offered to Myers

remember, the libs throw more money around on books
and don't care if they lose money
it's propaganda

286 shanester  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:50:28pm

That's some nice detective work there, Lou.

No joke... I MEAN it!

Nice going guys.
Gee... if only the MSM would report crap like that.
They would if it was funded (in a roundabout way) by Karl Rove, wouldn't they?

LOL

287 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:50:38pm

re: #279 formercorpsman

Not my point.

The media would spin this as her in the wrong.

McClellan, he is just doing the lord's work for the democrats.

I sure hope others make this point.

288 Israel4ever  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:50:54pm

ok, I'm a relatively new Lizard and can't spend every night here, so sorry to be out of the loop, but it appears that this Cognito person is not very well liked here.........

could we please refocus our energies on finding out how much cash McClellan got for his book, rather than Dunkin Donuts? lol I wanna know if Scotty's gonna be gettin a new Beamer anytime soon...

289 Charles  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:51:15pm

re: #276 Cognito

I'm not wrong on the spelling, but if you have a particular favorite transliteration, I'm happy to adopt it. For what it's worth, you seem to be giving weight to the Palestinian pronunciation there.

Yes, you are wrong on the spelling, drastically wrong. Show me one source, anywhere, that spells it the way you have ("koffayah") and I'll gladly apologize.

Maybe I'm off in my viewing of the scarf. But again, I'm not sure why Dunkin' Donuts would lie about it at this point -- at this point -- and it certainly doesn't look like any kaffiyeh I've ever seen.

I know, it's impossible to imagine a corporation ever fibbing to enhance their image. Why, that's never happened before.

Mainly my point is that I've had a look at the whole scuffle, and I don't feel all that worked up over it, especially in light of Dunkin' Donuts' reaction.

Then why bring it up?

290 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:51:37pm

re: #276 Cognito

Cognito, I have for the most part tried to be civil despite any differences.

It is no surprise what the hell these celebrities are trying to do.

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, and say they are ignorant of the fact.

The people they have around them are perhaps pushing this.

This shit is not coincidence.

Neither is the intent behind it.

291 Mich-again  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:51:51pm

re: #275 Bob in Breckenridge

There is a Dunkin Donuts at the Gas Station/Subway/Chicken Shack/Ice Cream parlor megastore between here and the Interstate. And its always been run by Pakis including the Kaliga looking old nutty Paki guy who stands by the door all the time and smokes cigs one after the other.

292 pat  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:51:52pm

Arabic has no vowels. And there is no accepted Arabic to Muslim convention. Of the major language groups, Arabic is singular in this respect. It is also worth noting two other points. One, Arabic has the least literates number of literates per speaker of any major language. Two, Arabic has the least number of books published or translated into or from any major language.

293 nyc redneck  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:52:40pm

i don't think it matters if it's a slight variation in weave or pattern on the terrorist scarf. perhaps there are a number of subtleties, the point is they all read the same. that rag around her neck says kaffeyah. (or how ever it's spelled).

294 pat  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:53:05pm

re: #291 Mich-again

Great. Feces Donuts.

295 seekeroftruth  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:53:08pm

re: #279 formercorpsman

I wonder how many AP stories are already written and ready to go in the coming days' newspapers and tv news scripts?......

296 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:53:17pm

re: #285 Adrenalyn

Agreed.

Thank goodness, those dems are for the little guy.

297 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:53:26pm

re: #281 jaunte Ah, that again. Well I suppose when a thread gets to almost 300 comments, some of that is to be expected.
How are you doing this evening?

298 Israel4ever  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:53:32pm

I'm still cracking up from someone earlier describing how to pronounce Kaffiyah "Ter ROR ist RAG"

LOL

299 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:53:33pm

re: #262 realwestMy allergies are driving me crazy! The plumber came out to day and said
my shower is leaking under house, which is driving my sneezing crazy! And coughing all night! I smell mildew!

300 gop_patriot  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:54:14pm

In what country does the spelling koffayah originate? I've never seen it spelled that way. (really asking)

Also, the only reason Dunkin Donuts had that reaction was that some a lot of people got worked up over it... if no one had said anything, they would not have pulled the ad or responded in any way whatsoever. And the kaffiyeh would have been inserted into mainstream American television by a pretty big cable television personality, thereby giving it a little bit of legitimacy. It's a game of inches...

301 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:54:35pm

re: #288 Israel4ever

It will turn back, don't worry.

It is just ritual.

302 Charles  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:54:55pm

re: #300 gop_patriot

In what country does the spelling koffayah originate? I've never seen it spelled that way. (really asking)

It originates in Cognitoland.

303 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:54:58pm

re: #295 seekeroftruth

You nailed it.

This cycle is ready to go.

304 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:55:49pm

re: #300 gop_patriot

In what country does the spelling koffayah originate? I've never seen it spelled that way. (really asking)

Also, the only reason Dunkin Donuts had that reaction was that some a lot of people got worked up over it... if no one had said anything, they would not have pulled the ad or responded in any way whatsoever. And the kaffiyeh would have been inserted into mainstream American television by a pretty big cable television personality, thereby giving it a little bit of legitimacy. It's a game of inches...

Excellent point!

305 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:55:52pm

re: #278 JeremyR

So my brain is in dull mode right now.

/Howard Dean would like to talk to you about a high-paying position with the DNC, Jeremy...

306 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:56:10pm

re: #283 The Shadow Do

MSNBC is losing the rating wars anyway. Take a peek at TV Newser's ratings for yesterday: [Link: www.mediabistro.com...]

This should only make you smile.

307 WayDownSouthInBama  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:56:30pm

re: #244 Bob in Breckenridge

I can't help but believe that if they were truly loyal,and truly your friend,they would not become a political liability. The old saying is "if you play with fire,you're going to get burned". If your put your trust in questionable friends,don't be surprised when they suddenly become your enemy.

308 gop_patriot  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:56:41pm

re: #302 Charles

LOL

309 Cognito  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:56:59pm

re: #300 gop_patriot

In what country does the spelling koffayah originate? I've never seen it spelled that way. (really asking)

It's not a matter of spelling. It's a matter of pronunciation of the word %u0643%u0648%u0641%u064A%u0629, and how you pronounce it depends where you learned it.

310 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:57:13pm

re: #303 formercorpsman
I guess it is time to go 20 miles off shore to be able to breath again !

311 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:57:20pm

re: #291 Mich-again

There is a Dunkin Donuts at the Gas Station/Subway/Chicken Shack/Ice Cream parlor megastore between here and the Interstate. And its always been run by Pakis including the Kaliga looking old nutty Paki guy who stands by the door all the time and smokes cigs one after the other.

Actually, now that you mention that, the Dunkin' Donuts by my place in Chicago was owned by Pakistanis...

312 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:57:39pm

re: #299 beachkatie Hey {beachkatie} I'm sorry to hear that - what are you going to do about that mildew?
Have y'all heard about "Black Mildew"? It isn't that, is it?

313 rednaxela  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:57:43pm

I really don't want to trample on anyone's parade, but whether or not George Sorros has anything to do with the publishers is pretty irrelevant to what Scott McClellan wrote. I am sure he would have found plenty of publishers who would have published the same material.

The conspiracy theory slope is slippery and I don't think it does this blog any credit to venture there.

314 JeremyR  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:58:22pm

re: #305 Bob in Breckenridge

/Howard Dean would like to talk to you about a high-paying position with the DNC, Jeremy...

Uuh, not nearly that dulled down. Deano needs em close to failing an EEG.

315 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:58:24pm

re: #310 beachkatie

Listen, just put some beer in the cooler, I'll stop by the piggly wiggly, get some snacks, and we'll drift down the ICWW.

316 pat  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:58:25pm

Oops. I mean Arabic to English convention. All the other major languages and a large amount of the smaller ones, like Hebrew, have conventionalized translation. China did this in the midst of the cold war. it was important. China also did it to all the other languages. As did Japan in 1880. Hawaii in 1848. French in the 1700's. Duh.

317 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:58:26pm

re: #302 Charles

It originates in Cognitoland.

318 Cognito  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:58:34pm

re: #302 Charles

It originates in Cognitoland.

Man, Charles.

319 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:59:05pm

re: #307 WayDownSouthInBama

I can't help but believe that if they were truly loyal,and truly your friend,they would not become a political liability. The old saying is "if you play with fire,you're going to get burned". If your put your trust in questionable friends,don't be surprised when they suddenly become your enemy.

This is the Clintons I was talking about. And Obama's wife Michelle seems like a younger version of Hillary.

320 jaunte  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:59:16pm

re: #297 realwest

No so good. No wine, working on a scotch, and looking at some potential layoffs.
The business climate is poor.
The family is good, however!

321 Racer X  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:59:23pm

re: #300 gop_patriot

the kaffiyeh would have been inserted into mainstream American television by a pretty big cable television personality, thereby giving it a little bit of legitimacy. It's a game of inches...

Absolutely spot on.

322 Grammy Cracker  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:59:24pm

re: #276 Cognito

I don't blame Ms. Ray (too much air in her hair), but the entire executive suite at DD, the ad agency AND the 'stylist' failed to see what was right there on the screen?

It appears to be a traditional Arabic scarf (spell it however you wish). No one could discern otherwise during a typical airing of the ad. If you have to freeze-frame and enlarge the still shot to determine what the spokeswoman is wearing.... someone has failed in his/her duties.

Also, if the 'paisley' pattern looked just like the Confederate Flag at first glance, don't you think the execs would have noticed? Don't you think the usual suspects would be picketing DD right now, demanding the racists all be fired immediately?

It's only overreacting when WE do it?

323 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:59:32pm

re: #288 Israel4ever I'd wager Scotty is gonna be getting a Ferrari at the least, and perhaps the new Mclaren if he's really getting all that much dough - how much I don't know but it's surley more than 40 pieces of sliver -even accounting for inflation.

324 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:59:52pm

re: #276 Cognito

Who knows what Rachel Ray or DDonuts were thinking? I, for one, guess that they were clueless. (Whether they should have been is another story.)
The benefit of drawing attention to the scarf, IMHO, is that it shows how easily the Palestinians have penetrated the West with their propaganda. A scarf that Arafat consciously promoted as a symbol of resistance to Israeli "oppression" and that was at first confined to moonbats has become chic. It is high time this was made known to all.
The reaction of the Left has not simply been to decry a tempest in a teapot. The comments at blogs that I have read are much more defensive than that. Why? Because they know damned well what the scarf means, and they don't mind people wearing it anymore than they mind their kids running around w/ Che Guevara t-shirts. They just don't like it when someone calls them on it.

325 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:00:05pm

re: #312 realwest
Yes, i i had no problem til i quit smoking! IT s weird!No one else has had this before! :(

326 gop_patriot  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:00:13pm

re: #304 unrealizedviewpoint

Why, thank you. I'm not into the beer yet. ;)

327 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:00:19pm

re: #313 rednaxela

I really don't want to trample on anyone's parade, but whether or not George Sorros has anything to do with the publishers is pretty irrelevant to what Scott McClellan wrote. I am sure he would have found plenty of publishers who would have published the same material.

The conspiracy theory slope is slippery and I don't think it does this blog any credit to venture there.

Folks were venturing just there today on the tube. I think we're on safe ground.

328 Mich-again  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:00:32pm

re: #293 nyc redneck

I agree. Its a Kofiyeah. And whether the "talent" knew it or not, her scarf was a political statement. Blame your wardrobe techie, but not us for noticing the handiwork. It was a dumbass thing to do like how Eric Burden wears that gigantic size 60 Che T-shirt when he yells through that pathetic concert the PBS station uses during the begathon.

329 jainphx  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:00:39pm

re: #174 ContraJihadi

I agree with you in spirit, but I am 61 years old and never the most athletic of men. Perhaps the future resistance will need clerks.

Every one will be needed, I'm 67, but I'll do what ever I can. Know you will also.

330 Cognito  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:00:39pm

re: #322 Grammy Cracker

I don't blame Ms. Ray (too much air in her hair), but the entire executive suite at DD, the ad agency AND the 'stylist' failed to see what was right there on the screen?

It appears to be a traditional Arabic scarf (spell it however you wish). No one could discern otherwise during a typical airing of the ad. If you have to freeze-frame and enlarge the still shot to determine what the spokeswoman is wearing.... someone has failed in his/her duties.

Also, if the 'paisley' pattern looked just like the Confederate Flag at first glance, don't you think the execs would have noticed? Don't you think the usual suspects would be picketing DD right now, demanding the racists all be fired immediately?

It's only overreacting when WE do it?

I agree with all that. Like I said, it was an idiotic move.

331 Israel4ever  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:00:55pm

OK about Scott's publisher.

This is a small-time house. There is no reason this book shouldn't have been bought by a larger house. So something is weird about that. I know that his agent Craig Wiley is Indianapolis and doesn't have a huge client list, nor does he make many deals. Publisher's Marketplace only has ONE deal listed under his name for all of 2007, but Scott's book isn't there. (So as of right now, this agent sold a total of two books last year)

I wonder why one of the bigger houses didn't go for this.

332 Racer X  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:01:00pm

re: #313 rednaxela

I was young and naive once.

333 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:01:12pm

re: #164 Occasional Reader

It was not "the" headline reason. There were a dozen reasons to do it, all of them more reasonable and, dare I say it, nuanced, than just a pile of chemical weapons in Saddam's basement:

1. Because we could (and this was good enough for Bush himself), or, to put it differently, we had the closest thing he could get politically to a free pass (9/11) to finally put the Middle East in line the way we wanted to. This got repackaged with a bow later as "The Bush Doctrine", a noble experiment in bringing Democracy to the world's second-most-barbaric collection of Shithole Countries, after Africa, but in Bush's own words it was a chance to scare the Arabs into line, which, while vulgar, is perfectly acceptible in modern politics.

2. Removal of Saddam meant removing our biggest and yet most easily removed antagonist in the region only months after his Muslim brethren stung us badly - given the way his regime was sliding towards religiosity to keep its hold on power, and with his budget, his track record of antagonism towards just about everybody, AND his WMDs, this was a very bad thing. Here we've been bushwacked by a bunch of camel f-ckers who somehow managed to attend college AND flight school, and there are more of them out there, and there sits Saddam with a grudge, a pile of cash, and all sorts of things that go "boom".

3. Taking him out would allow us to GTFO of Saudi Arabia, never a bad thing (This also conveniently removed one of Osama's alleged reasons for hating us, though that was a fringe benefit - I think the $80 billion spent tooling around in the no-fly zones was a bigger concern).

4. It allowed us to box in Iran using Iraqi territory and those juicy big airbases the Soviets built for him, definitely a Good Thing according to just about everybody in the Gulf, although they said this behind closed doors.

5. Oil. Not taking it, of course, but stabilizing the region to keep the supply stable, by increasing our security presence in the region (much as we do already in the shipping lanes).

Somewhere down further on this list would be humanitarian concern, but I remember very clearly that all they could say for weeks and months on end was "WMD, WMD, WMD". I remember being asked by a German friend "Yes but, why Iraq?" and I had to answer him, truthfully, "I don't know - they aren't giving us the full story." They being, the elite, the media/government complex, whatever you want to call it.

334 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:01:25pm

Google search for Soros+McClellan

[Link: digg.com...]

[Link: www.electionbid2008.com...]

[Link: www.prolifeblogs.com...]

335 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:01:33pm

I'm not sure why we are on this topic, but I can assure folks that it doesn't matter to me if the color is soft blue and it has little Huey, Louie, Dewey, Donald and Daisy's on it, I recognize the kafiyyah in the way the scarf is worn and by whom. Fashion statement? That's pathetic cover for a "statement" that is blatanly pro-palestinian (read pro-terror) and virulently anti-Israeli.

We need no translations to figure that out.

336 Mich-again  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:01:38pm

re: #294 pat

Great. Feces Donuts.

Well now I feel better for never buying anything there!

337 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:01:39pm

re: #302 Charles

It originates in Cognitoland.

Is that like Wallyworld?

338 Spiny Norman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:02:05pm

George "Goldfinger" Soros, James Bond villain come to life.

339 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:02:17pm

re: #315 formercorpsman
That is so sweet of you ! bUT I KNOW THERE IS BETTR SHAPE THAN ME RIGHT NOW!

340 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:02:49pm

re: #300 gop_patriot Well I don't know about that. I mean, yes DD got upset that so many people got upset at their ad (I do honestly beleive they are in business to make money). But I don't think you can equate DD's getting upset about it with DD "being found out at something or other". More than likely - MUCH more than likely, the sylist, photographer or - my number one choice - the Ad agency put this shit together to appear to be COOL - or just to out and out support the Pali's.

341 gop_patriot  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:02:52pm

re: #309 Cognito

It's not a matter of spelling. It's a matter of pronunciation of the word %u0643%u0648%u0641%u064A%u0629 , and how you pronounce it depends where you learned it.

So in Arabic, you can spell something any way you'd like to, based upon how you pronounce it? Every word? Or is it just certain words that differ from country to country?

Where did you learn to say koffayah, if not in Jordan, Syria, or Israel?

342 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:02:55pm

re: #306 hermeneutics

MSNBC is losing the rating wars anyway. Take a peek at TV Newser's ratings for yesterday: [Link: www.mediabistro.com...]

This should only make you smile.

Ah. Some good news! Thanks, Hermie!

343 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:03:00pm

re: #325 beachkatie

Yes, i i had no problem til i quit smoking! IT s weird!No one else has had this before! :(

Me too. Quit smoking Jan 15th. Been absolutely deathly ill since. Jeez

/exaggeration of course, but what gives?

344 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:04:08pm

[Link: sfbay.craigslist.org...]

I like this one for Craigslist.

345 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:04:15pm

re: #339 beachkatie
i KNOW BETTER SHAPE THAN ME REALLY!yOU ARE A GREAT SHAPED DUDE!

346 Israel4ever  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:04:26pm

re: #331 Israel4ever

OK about Scott's publisher.

This is a small-time house. There is no reason this book shouldn't have been bought by a larger house. So something is weird about that. I know that his agent Craig Wiley is Indianapolis and doesn't have a huge client list, nor does he make many deals. Publisher's Marketplace only has ONE deal listed under his name for all of 2007, but Scott's book isn't there. (So as of right now, this agent sold a total of two books last year)

I wonder why one of the bigger houses didn't go for this.

too add onto this, I want to say that his agent absolutely marketed this book to the bigger houses, but apparently Soros' house was the one who won the bidding (if there was bidding, speculating there) - so that means Soros must have paid huge. HUGE.

But what difference does it make if Soros prints it, rather than another house?
sorry i'm rambling to myself

347 WayDownSouthInBama  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:05:01pm

re: #319 Bob in Breckenridge

I kind of think the same. Man,this is depressing isn't it? Here it is 2008 and we are STILL using the words "Clinton" & "President" in the same sentence.

348 jcm  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:05:14pm

What's happening?

Kids feed, bathed, one monster discovered behind the toilet discovered and banished, bedtime stories read, and kids asleep.

349 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:05:41pm

re: #343 unrealizedviewpoint
dAMN IF YOU DON'T, DAMN IF YOU DO! wEIRD UNHHH?

350 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:05:41pm

re: #345 beachkatie

I'm a great shaped dude.

Buddha is jealous.

351 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:06:32pm

re: #350 formercorpsman
i KNOW !

352 Cognito  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:06:42pm

re: #341 gop_patriot

So in Arabic, you can spell something any way you'd like to, based upon how you pronounce it? Every word? Or is it just certain words that differ from country to country?

Where did you learn to say koffayah, if not in Jordan, Syria, or Israel?

You spell it properly, in Arabic. But the Arabic alphabet doesn't line up very well with the English one. That's what the 'transliteration' bit is about. And that's why newscasters walk around saying "Quatar" and "Gutter" and "Cutter" and "Cattar" when the place has a very clear, single pronunciation in Modern Standard Arabic.

(Although there are almost endless variations in Arabic dialects. Thus the current strange mini-squabble over the spelling of the ... scarf-headdress-dustmask-thing.)

353 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:06:57pm

re: #320 jaunte I'm really glad to hear the family is good - that's the most important thing. Second is if you're friends are doing well, too.
What about layoffs? Are you in "danger"?! What industry are you talking about?

354 Racer X  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:06:57pm

re: #343 unrealizedviewpoint

Me too. Quit smoking Jan 15th. Been absolutely deathly ill since. Jeez

/exaggeration of course, but what gives?

Smokers have their immune systems working full blast 24 hours a day trying to combat the smoke. Stop smoking and the immune system relaxes a bit.

355 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:07:00pm

re: #331 Israel4ever

Have you seen the book? Perhaps it is so poorly written that the reputable publishers wouldn't touch it, though I doubt it.

My hunch is this: McClellan was approached by Soros or one of his minions who offered him money to write the book. The book, then, was never shopped by the agent who may have been given a set fee simply for pretending to be Scott's agent. Scott wrote the book, presented it to the publisher and received the balance of his check.

356 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:07:02pm

re: #347 WayDownSouthInBama

Tell me about it.

357 Mich-again  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:07:31pm

re: #313 rednaxela

but whether or not George Sorros has anything to do with the publishers is pretty irrelevant to what Scott McClellan wrote. I am sure he would have found plenty of publishers who would have published the same material.

I disagree completely with that conclusion. The fact that the book was so bombastic is directly related to the lucrative deal he got for making it so bombastic.

358 J.D.  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:07:32pm

re: #269 Adrenalyn

problem with the Dee Dee Myers supposition is simple
no one has offered her the kind of money Soros must have offered McCllelan

Yep.

...Soros additionally finances groups supporting the interests of one-world government. While he has criticized the United Nations occasionally, he favors U.N. dominance in world affairs, sees the European Union as a model for "open society" and has called for a global central bank.

Anyone who doesn't agree with this vision, or who doesn't fit cozily into his multilateral model, gets a visit from Soros-backed groups.

MoveOn.org, for example, led the charge to keep John Bolton out of a permanent seat in the U.N., and Bankwatch piled on to topple Paul Wolfowitz at the World Bank.

In fact, pick any cause that seeks to weaken the U.S. and it's hard not to find Soros' name on its list of financial backers. Most of these causes are financed by relatively small amounts, but that's all that's needed to make trouble.

And without the cash, countless bad ideas would have no presence in American political debate at all.

What keeps these groups on cue, and Democrats in line, is the prospect that any funding from Soros can be stepped up to massive levels. It's probably no coincidence that Soros was a big backer of campaign finance reforms that have allowed nominally nonpartisan groups like MoveOn.org to strike with the kinds of tactics they are using.

Soros usually doesn't offer up or endorse specific candidates for office. His chief aim seems to be tearing down Bush, driving the Democrats to the far left and enforcing party discipline through fear. In fact, he seems to like keeping Democrats guessing whether or not he's offended.

The strategy seems to be working. No Democrat had the courage to cross MoveOn.org after its libelous Petraeus ad. On Thursday, a symbolic vote in Congress censuring MoveOn.org for the Petraeus ad passed, but with the notable absence of both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Election looming, neither wants to cross Soros' MoveOn.org.

Soros himself does not believe in victory in Iraq and wants to keep America from achieving it.

"The war on terror cannot be won," he has said.


George Soros: The Man, The Mind And The Money Behind MoveOn
Read the whole thing.

359 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:07:58pm

A soros connection? oh...it's the circle of corruption

360 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:08:20pm

re: #351 beachkatie
i THINK I HAVE SEEN YOU IN RALIEGH, N.C. !

361 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:08:26pm

re: #351 beachkatie

Have you seen a picture?

362 The Shadow Do  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:08:30pm

re: #313 rednaxela

I really don't want to trample on anyone's parade, but whether or not George Sorros has anything to do with the publishers is pretty irrelevant to what Scott McClellan wrote. I am sure he would have found plenty of publishers who would have published the same material.

The conspiracy theory slope is slippery and I don't think it does this blog any credit to venture there.

First, the Rather memo was not a conspiracy theory, was it?

Second, as with the Rathergate revelation, there is more to be learned about this book and its publisher/editor. There has been some talk today that the publisher ( a Soros owned subsidiary) had a heavy hand, if not the only hand, in the writing of this suspect memoir. Conspiracy? No. This story is ripe for investigation, that's all. And who will do that?

363 Israel4ever  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:08:40pm

re: #355 hermeneutics

Have you seen the book? Perhaps it is so poorly written that the reputable publishers wouldn't touch it, though I doubt it.

My hunch is this: McClellan was approached by Soros or one of his minions who offered him money to write the book. The book, then, was never shopped by the agent who may have been given a set fee simply for pretending to be Scott's agent. Scott wrote the book, presented it to the publisher and received the balance of his check.

ah! that would make sense! (I mean about his agent, except for the fact that the agent appears to represent conservatives)

huh.

364 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:08:47pm

Michael Savage is doing his PBS-like begfest. He's a multi-millionaire, as is his son, yet he begs for money like he's poor. I detest that dirtbag.

365 the_flying_pig  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:08:48pm

McCellan got owned by Soros.

Nice job, Charles and John William in Texas.

366 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:08:54pm

re: #346 Israel4ever

too add onto this, I want to say that his agent absolutely marketed this book to the bigger houses, but apparently Soros' house was the one who won the bidding (if there was bidding, speculating there) - so that means Soros must have paid huge. HUGE.

Okay, ignore my speculations then. I am wrong.

Interesting that Soros bought it through the front of this small publishing company.

367 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:09:02pm

re: #360 beachkatie

Hardee's Walnut Creek?

368 jaunte  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:09:08pm

re: #353 realwest

No not in danger; my own small business. Never been short of work for so long before, so we have to cut expenses.

369 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:09:57pm

beachkatie and Realwest,

The air purifier I have kills mildew.

370 AZfederalist  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:10:00pm

re: #283 The Shadow Do

I


I think it is like Paris running around without her panties. When you got nuthin' what you gonna' do?

/picture Keith Olberman without his panties........heh

Oh please! Why did you have to do that!?


/brain bleach is around here somewhere. flippin' comedians grumble, grumble

371 Genosaurer  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:10:32pm

Clearly this information is just viral propaganda from the vast right-wing conspiracy.

/Also, there's a conservative bias in the media.

372 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:11:05pm
373 Israel4ever  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:11:26pm

re: #366 hermeneutics

Okay, ignore my speculations then. I am wrong.

Interesting that Soros bought it through the front of this small publishing company.

ok - wait maybe *i'm* wrong and you're right. I think we are cross-posting over each other. lol

374 Dustyvet  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:11:34pm

re: #348 jcm

What's happening?

Kids feed, bathed, one monster discovered behind the toilet discovered and banished, bedtime stories read, and kids asleep.

If the monster behind the toilet name is Tiger, with gray and black stripes point the wee sod in the direction of Illinois, and instruct him to take a right when he reaches Chicago. Thanks for the smile...and sweet dreams to the children.

375 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:12:10pm

Perhaps it is time to press for legislationg that makes it illegal for foreigners to buy or influence American elections. I've got no idea how this legislation would be crafted -- WHERE ARE YOU LAWHAWK? -- but there has to be some way to eliminate the influence of foreigners. This is simply wrong.

376 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:12:36pm

Re: The Rachael Ray thing...

When some celebrity doofus wears Commie/Jihad gear in "solidarity" we always like to joke that if they really went to Gaza/China in the 60's/Cuba, etc. they'd be put to work as a slave or taken hostage by bandits.

I think, though, that Rachael Ray is the only pretty Western female hostage that the jihadists would give back, no questions asked, because they found her too annoying.

"Please take her. Her food is terrible, and she sounds like my mother. We can't stand it anymore. Achmed didn't even want to rape her, it was that bad. We have come to believe she is Allah's curse upon all mankind, and therefore, it best serves our Jihad if she remains with you to be on your cable television."

377 J.D.  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:13:35pm

Hey {realwest}.
It's getting late.
How are you today?

378 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:13:51pm

re: #361 formercorpsmannO, BUT I WAS SITTING IN THE PARKING LOT OF NORTHERN TOOLS BEFORE , AND ASKED FOR DIRECTIONS BEFORE!Very MUSCULAR DUDE! :)

379 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:14:02pm

re: #325 beachkatie NO, you're wrong there! To paraphrase Mark Twain, it's easy to quit smoking, I know cause I've done it hundreds of times. LOL.
Actually, when you do quit smoking (and I managed to quit for six months and started again, full time, on 9/11/01) your get a) hoarse and b) do a lot of coughing.
The hoarseness comes from the fact that the juiced up nicotine in cig's actually is somethng of an anesthetic - that is to say that it keeps your throat from getting irritated or feeling irritated by allergies and pollutants that you would otherwise be coughing and sneezing at. The coughing is simply your lungs clearing themselves out of all - or at least most of - the crap that has been filling it by smoking cigarettes. And it varies by individulal too. I didn't stop coughing for almost 2 whole months and my throat was sore for nearly 4 months and food did NOT taste better even after 6 months.

380 rednaxela  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:14:08pm

#327 unrealizedviewpoint
#332 Racer X

In terms of conspiracy theories, perhaps we should be looking at Scott's father, Barr, who contends that LBJ had JFK assassinated.

Now, that's an interesting proposition, as opposed to this Sorros 'story'.

381 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:14:12pm

re: #373 Israel4ever

You said that the agent shopped it, right? And that the agent represents several clients, some conservative, but isn't doing very well?

Still sounds like the agent was paid a fee -- sorta like a finder's fee. This has got to be bad for his business reputation, though. What good is an agent who can't place books in the hands of publishers?

382 jcm  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:14:41pm

Kudos to John Williams of Texas.

Damn fine work.

383 eclectic infidel  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:15:21pm

Somehow I figured it was too good to be true. Then again, it may very well be true, but the book is instantly tarnished with Soros' name. Now conservatives and Bush Bots alike can dismiss the book out of hand without taking the contents into consideration.

384 Dustyvet  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:15:54pm

re: #363 Israel4ever

ah! that would make sense! (I mean about his agent, except for the fact that the agent appears to represent conservatives)

huh.

It would be great if the check bounced...evil grin!

385 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:16:19pm

I hope Scott doesn't have children. These conspiracy-nutso tendencies need to be eliminated from the gene pool.

386 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:16:19pm

re: #378 beachkatie

Well beach, I hate to inform you, but that would have to have been Harbor Freight tools, up in Delaware.

I needed a cheap sander.

I did use to bounce some bars down on 17 in Jacksonville, and Topsail Island.

387 J.D.  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:16:33pm

Evenin', pat

Thanks for the tip!

388 ethanxxx  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:17:23pm

I've been in advertising for almost 30 years. Everything that goes in front of the camera to sell your product, especially in a high dollar national ad, is planned out. These people knew they were putting a Pro-Terrorist S**T Rag around her neck! It's hip, it's sheik, it's all the buzz, etc, etc, etc. And apparently enough people said that they don't like it, and that Dunkin can just keep their F'n donuts. We won... It's all good.

389 Mich-again  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:17:51pm

re: #375 hermeneutics

Soros = Wile E. Coyote, (aka Genius.)

As in, I have no idea what he did to generate the cash he needs to write all those checks to ACME for all the hare-brained schemes just to catch one single road runner. Truth be told, if Wile E. Coyote had all that money to buy the stupid gizmos from ACME to catch one bird, why didn't he just buy a whole side of beef and feast for weeks.

390 Grammy Cracker  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:17:51pm

re: #376 Pawn of the Oppressor

Re: The Rachael Ray thing...

When some celebrity doofus wears Commie/Jihad gear in "solidarity" we always like to joke that if they really went to Gaza/China in the 60's/Cuba, etc. they'd be put to work as a slave or taken hostage by bandits.

I think, though, that Rachael Ray is the only pretty Western female hostage that the jihadists would give back, no questions asked, because they found her too annoying.

"Please take her. Her food is terrible, and she sounds like my mother. We can't stand it anymore. Achmed didn't even want to rape her, it was that bad. We have come to believe she is Allah's curse upon all mankind, and therefore, it best serves our Jihad if she remains with you to be on your cable television."

Bwaaaahhhh! ROFL! It's that damned EVOO thing!

391 conservativeChick  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:18:01pm

I getting really sick of Putin's stooge Soros. This man is pure evil who is trying to revive the USSR and create a socialist Utopia in America.

392 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:18:25pm

re: #379 realwest
SWEETIE I QUITED 8 MONTHS AGO!My LUNGS ARE SO HAPPY , I MOST OF THE TIME DO 5 MILES ON TREAD MILL!

393 Dustyvet  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:19:13pm

re: #389 Mich-again

Soros = Wile E. Coyote, (aka Genius.)

As in, I have no idea what he did to generate the cash he needs to write all those checks to ACME for all the hare-brained schemes just to catch one single road runner. Truth be told, if Wile E. Coyote had all that money to buy the stupid gizmos from ACME to catch one bird, why didn't he just buy a whole side of beef and feast for weeks.

The thrill of the hunt?

394 Miss Molly  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:19:23pm

Something that drives the Dems crazy is when you say "Obama will be the 2nd term of Carter" They start yelling and screaming on TV over anyone else who is talking. Also, on Fox news one night someone said that Obama had only actually worked a total of 142 days in the Senate before he started running for President. The Dems went nuts and started yelling and simply did not shut up till the program was over. I suppose they do not want voters in America to realize that he has actually so few days in the Senate.

However many days he has actually worked in the Senate would be a good thing to know and have it shouted everyday on TV because the Dems seem terrified of that information. They also do not like Obama being tied to Carter! And now we get to throw George Soros into this mess --- what a deal!

395 The Shadow Do  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:19:29pm

re: #383 eclectic infidel

Somehow I figured it was too good to be true. Then again, it may very well be true, but the book is instantly tarnished with Soros' name. Now conservatives and Bush Bots alike can dismiss the book out of hand without taking the contents into consideration.

Too bad it fails to fortify your lefty talking points. They were getting really boring anyway.

396 WayDownSouthInBama  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:19:40pm

One last post then I'm out of here. It might do us all well to remember that anyone can claim anything in a book. The question is will it all hold up under examination? Will the provable FACTS support the story or not? I'm not about to get all bent out of shape over Mr. McCellan's book until the claims made in the book are compared with the facts. Get back to me in a week or two. Let's see if his claims are still holding water then.

We know the left is going to ride this like a bull out of the chute. I can understand looking into all that has been posted on here tonight. But let's not forget that claims made are just that. So,having said all of that,I say good night,and let the fact checking begin!

397 Mich-again  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:19:57pm

re: #393 Dustyvet

The thrill of the hunt?

Best explanation I have heard yet.

398 nyc redneck  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:20:19pm

mcclellan is like a witness who has too many stories,
so which one is it.
are you lying now or were you lying before.
no one respects a person like that.
soros and the msm media will use him for what he's worth and then the turncoat will be alone.

399 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:20:31pm

Doesn't it seem odd that Perseus funds are getting so much money so quickly? Can one of our "Series 7" lizards tell me if funds usually close this fast? Who is shopping these funds to prospective investors? Who are the wholesalers?

400 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:20:40pm

re: #368 jaunte Damn, I'm sorry to hear that my friend. Do you mind telling me what kind of business and do you know why you're so short of work?

401 Dustyvet  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:21:01pm

re: #397 Mich-again

Best explanation I have heard yet.

Meep, meep....zoooooooooooooom!

402 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:21:53pm

re: #371 Genosaurer That's only because Jews control the media!
/do I really need this?

403 Mich-again  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:22:14pm

re: #401 Dustyvet

Meep, meep....zoooooooooooooom!

Beware the piles of Free Food! in the middle of the road. See ya!

404 jaunte  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:22:15pm

re: #400 realwest

Graphic design; big client companies in management transition (and waiting to see which way their costs are going) are postponing work...

405 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:22:22pm

re: #386 formercorpsmanyou are not the muscle guy i have seen there?Harbor Freights?

406 gop_patriot  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:23:34pm

re: #340 realwest

I agree, I don't believe it was Dunkin Donuts, the corporation, who was trying to put this out there on purpose (but who knows). Probably, it was a stylist/ad guy/celeb that is either a fan of terrorists or completely ignorant who was responsible. In any case, the more it's inserted into commercials and TV shows, the more accepted it will become; so many people will see it and not question it. So it's good that some of us raise a fuss.

(BTW- I was responding to Cog's #276, and for some reason, didn't hit the "reply" button. He mentioned that people were worked up, and my response was to that.)

:)

407 Dustyvet  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:24:01pm

re: #401 Dustyvet

Meep, meep....zoooooooooooooom!

Coyote V. Acme
IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT,
SOUTHWESTERN DISTRICT, TEMPE, ARIZONA
CASE NO. B19294, JUDGE JOAN KUJAVA, PRESIDING
Wile E. Coyote, Plaintiff
-v.-
Acme Company, Defendant


[Link: www.torinfo.com...]

408 rednaxela  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:24:45pm

#357 Mich-again

I don't really think the book is that sensational, especially if we assume that the excerpts linked to on Drudge are as bad as it gets.

I think many of us agree that GWB blundered on Iraq and that no one thought too much about the post-war period. So there's not much new there. The Plame story is a bit more troubling, but then again, who here would vouch for Scooter Libby? So again, there's nothing to get too excited about.

At the end of the day it comes down to this: Scott was the White House Press Secretary and he wasn't particularly good at his job. Now he's doing something else at which is he is probably also not very good. So he wanted to make some $$$. So he went and published a book for which most publishers would have paid him handsomely. The Sorros thing is immaterial.

409 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:25:56pm

re: #405 beachkatie
I'm just pulling your chain ,, love all you guys!

410 J.D.  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:26:23pm

re: #407 Dustyvet

Mr. Coyote states that on occasions too numerous to list in this document he has suffered mishaps with explosives purchased of Defendant: the Acme "Little Giant" Firecracker, the Acme Self-Guided Aerial Bomb, etc. (For a full listing, see the Acme Mail Order Explosives Catalogue and attached deposition, entered in evidence as Exhibit C.) Indeed, it is safe to say that not once has an explosive purchased of Defendant by Mr. Coyote performed in an expected manner.


Pretty funny stuff.

411 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:26:48pm

re: #377 J.D. Hey J.D., yeah it is getting late and I am tired, but I'm doing ok today; spent a chunk of the afternoon sendng letters to my congresscritter, my two Senators, Bush and Ban-Ki-Moon about the information provided by Charles last night about the brutalization of women and especially female children in many countries where the UN Peacekeepers are stationed, by some of those self-same Peacekeepers.
No answers yet, but I'll keep on pushing this as long as I'm able to type and e-mail and get myself to a fax machine (for some reason, politicians seem to pay more attention to faxed letters than to e-mails, so I took no chances and sent them both ways!).
How are you doing/feeling?

412 SpartanWoman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:27:10pm

re: #408 rednaxela

Then why does Wexler want Benedict McClellan to tesify under oath about that Plame crap?

413 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:27:32pm

re: #405 beachkatie

Beachkatie, doubtful.

I left the area in 1993, and went back up north to PA.

I still get back every once in a blue moon, but not as often as I like.

During that time, I was very much into to lifting, etc. and it was evident.

I asked if you had a picture, because I might have one or two folks with them.

Nonetheless, if you need me to channel the muscular dude at Northern Tool for you, so be it.

414 NY Nana  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:28:31pm

re: #338 Spiny Norman

George "Goldfinger" Soros, James Bond villain come to life.

He isn't that good.

415 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:28:45pm

re: #409 beachkatie

Ah, too late.

I posted already.

And you were going to get my free advice on Alka Seltzer before you go to bed.

416 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:28:47pm

re: #400 realwestSweet dreams to ya real West! From Charlotte!

417 jcm  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:29:34pm

re: #411 realwest

Hey J.D., yeah it is getting late and I am tired, but I'm doing ok today; spent a chunk of the afternoon sendng letters to my congresscritter, my two Senators, Bush and Ban-Ki-Moon about the information provided by Charles last night about the brutalization of women and especially female children in many countries where the UN Peacekeepers are stationed, by some of those self-same Peacekeepers.
No answers yet, but I'll keep on pushing this as long as I'm able to type and e-mail and get myself to a fax machine (for some reason, politicians seem to pay more attention to faxed letters than to e-mails, so I took no chances and sent them both ways!).
How are you doing/feeling?

Keep up the fight! Something has to bring the UN to heel or break it.
This could be it.

418 Syrah  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:30:02pm

re: #346 Israel4ever

too add onto this, I want to say that his agent absolutely marketed this book to the bigger houses, but apparently Soros' house was the one who won the bidding (if there was bidding, speculating there) - so that means Soros must have paid huge. HUGE.

But what difference does it make if Soros prints it, rather than another house?
sorry i'm rambling to myself

It's the difference in wanting to buy a book for the purpose of making a profit, or for the purpose of making a statement.

Soros can afford to lose money the deal. The value of the book to Soros is in how it will affect public opinion, not how it will make him money.

419 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:30:04pm

re: #383 eclectic infidel
Uh, about that taking the book's contents into consideration, "That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -Christopher Hitchens. Sound familiar to you?

420 The Shadow Do  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:30:09pm

re: #408 rednaxela

At the end of the day it comes down to this: Scott was the White House Press Secretary and he wasn't particularly good at his job. Now he's doing something else at which is he is probably also not very good. So he wanted to make some $$$. So he went and published a book for which most publishers would have paid him handsomely. The Sorros thing is immaterial.

A small publisher takes control of your work. Said small publisher turns out to be George Soros. George Soros, in effect, writes your book as you too are now a wholly owned subsidiary. How is this immaterial?

421 gop_patriot  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:30:12pm

re: #352 Cognito

You spell it properly, in Arabic. But the Arabic alphabet doesn't line up very well with the English one. That's what the 'transliteration' bit is about. And that's why newscasters walk around saying "Quatar" and "Gutter" and "Cutter" and "Cattar" when the place has a very clear, single pronunciation in Modern Standard Arabic.

(Although there are almost endless variations in Arabic dialects. Thus the current strange mini-squabble over the spelling of the ... scarf-headdress-dustmask-thing.)

OK, I just think it's weird that I've never ever seen it spelled like that.

ASK.com: Your search for koffayah did not match with any Web results.

Google: Did you mean: kuffiyah

No standard web pages containing all your search terms were found.

Your search - koffayah - did not match any documents.

422 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:30:56pm
423 Racer X  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:31:20pm

re: #380 rednaxela

#327 unrealizedviewpoint
#332 Racer X

In terms of conspiracy theories, perhaps we should be looking at Scott's father, Barr, who contends that LBJ had JFK assassinated.

Now, that's an interesting proposition, as opposed to this Sorros 'story'.

So pay no attention to the publisher of this book, it is irrelevant?

424 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:31:38pm

re: #388 ethanxxx Hey my friend! With you experience, do you think DD itself had any clue about all this until we raised the issue with them?

425 ethanxxx  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:32:02pm

re: #419 realwest

Uh, about that taking the book's contents into consideration, "That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -Christopher Hitchens. Sound familiar to you?

Nice shootin Tex. What are you... a lawyer?

426 J.D.  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:32:06pm

re: #411 realwest

Well, how 'bout you? Good!
I think you're right about the faxes. Maybe I heard that here?
I'm doing pretty well, just tired.
Today, I got up at 3:30 pst and went to the airport in Burbank, then to Las Vegas, then to Columbus, then to Baltimore, and finally made it home.
I'd have 40 minutes and jump off and grab a salad (and/or a margarita) and finally managed to eat and drink my way across America!
Glad to be home!

427 Ol' flyboy  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:32:07pm

When some of the people Scottie has accused come forward with proof that Scottie was wrong will the MSM accuse these people of 'Swiftboating' poor Scottie?

428 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:32:48pm

Found this from Dunkin' Donuts at youtube. Anyone notice anything unusual about it?

429 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:32:55pm

re: #413 formercorpsmanNo sweetie! I just picture you ase him! I was in my car waiting for my husband that needed to go inside a minuted on the way back home.. he was so sweet , i just didn't know the directions he needed!

430 Promethea  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:33:49pm

re: #174 ContraJihadi

I agree with you in spirit, but I am 61 years old and never the most athletic of men. Perhaps the future resistance will need clerks.

The resistance needs all kinds of people. One of my conceits is that several extremely non-athletic men in my family have created weapons that can destroy millions of jihadists and their fancy-pants Saudi backers.

Even I, a nonremarkable woman, have important skills that can be put to use in various types of emergencies.

BTW, George Soros WILL be taken down by people like me. His days of influence are numbered.

431 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:33:57pm

re: #411 realwest

Good for you, RW !

432 ethanxxx  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:34:50pm

re: #424 realwest

Hey my friend! With you experience, do you think DD itself had any clue about all this until we raised the issue with them?

I have no idea. They sure did fold fast. I don't know much about Dunkin Donuts. I did a lot of work for Krispy Kreme though.

433 Cognito  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:34:57pm

re: #421 gop_patriot

Yes, like I said, it's not a matter of spelling. It's a matter of pronunciation. There's only one proper spelling -- %u0643%u0648%u0641%u064A%u0629 -- and I just dashed off the transliteration that's closest to my pronunciation. Honestly I'm amazed at the animus raised by the spelling of a (foreign!) word, here.

434 rorschach  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:35:06pm

mcclellan was a miserably poor excuse for a WH press agent.

...just one more example of GWB's misguided personal loyalty.

435 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:35:18pm

re: #429 beachkatie

Oh, well that could never be me.

Asking for directions?

(Southern draw. "We'll I nevah"

436 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:36:01pm

re: #430 Promethea

Boy, we got a lot of you old farts.

437 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:36:08pm

re: #428 Bob in Breckenridge

I can't get it to load, Bob.

438 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:36:32pm

re: #404 jaunte GACK!
Been there (as a partner in a law firm and when I was on my own) - management changes -especially when a client is taken over by another institution (I used to personally represent 4 banks and ultimately all 4 got taken over and I was politely told, in each instance, that the "new" bank already had law firms in NYC but thanks for the great work you did for xyz bank.
How long do you think the management shake-up, costs analyis' will take?

439 gop_patriot  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:37:32pm

re: #433 Cognito

I think it's less animus and more WTF?

LOL

440 SpartanWoman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:39:02pm

I often wonder who else Soros owns and if more in the media are on the payroll

441 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:39:07pm

re: #437 hermeneutics

I can't get it to load, Bob.

Are you on dial-up?

442 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:39:13pm

re: #416 beachkatie You're in Charlotte?!? And ya didn't tell me or nothing? How long are y'all gonna be here?

443 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:39:36pm

re: #428 Bob in Breckenridge

Found this from Dunkin' Donuts at youtube. Anyone notice anything unusual about it?

Er........not really. What did I miss?

444 Cognito  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:40:12pm

re: #440 SpartanWoman

I often wonder who else Soros owns and if more in the media are on the payroll

When you find out, let me know. My Zionist paychecks are hardly keeping up with gas prices.

Although my Saudi graft is getting better all the time.

445 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:41:14pm

re: #433 Cognito

Did it take you a long time to learn Arabic? Though I used to be almost fluent in classical greek, the thought of learning a semitic language scares me. How hard is it?

446 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:41:30pm

re: #441 Bob in Breckenridge

wifi

447 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:41:31pm

re: #436 formercorpsman

Promethea, I was just tweakin ya girl, no offense.

I think Realwest has you beat.

I'm out guys.

Great thread capture.

I'll pound it again tomorrow.

448 Cognito  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:41:33pm

re: #443 wolfie

Er........not really. What did I miss?

I was curious about that too.... is there something weird I'm not seeing?

449 joecitizen  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:41:34pm

re: #444 Cognito

When you find out, let me know. My Zionist paychecks are hardly keeping up with gas prices.

Although my Saudi graft is getting better all the time.

graft some o that my way and all will be well..

450 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:41:42pm

re: #417 jcm Well I ain't gonna break it by myself (even though, once I calm down and plan it all out - which I can't really do with Ajax! - I do write fairly good letters. But the fact is more people - LOTS more people are going to have to write before this gets much traction. I am encouraged, however, that the BBC, Rueters and the NY Times all covered the story for one day, anyway.

451 SpartanWoman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:41:45pm

re: #444 Cognito


You think he'll pay for Scottie's counsel for the Wexler hearing?

452 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:41:53pm

re: #435 formercorpsman
Sorry dude! I forgot you don't need directions! This dude did!

453 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:41:59pm

re: #443 wolfie

Er........not really. What did I miss?


In the middle of it, it sounds like the stuff muslims play to tell them it's time to pray. Don't know if it's chanting or what.

454 gop_patriot  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:42:21pm

re: #428 Bob in Breckenridge

Found this from Dunkin' Donuts at youtube. Anyone notice anything unusual about it?

That over a THOUSAND people subscribe to their channel? LOL

/what am I supposed to be seeing?

455 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:42:22pm

I think that the more people look into this Soros connection thing, the uglier the whole business will become. This is that internet variant of the law of unintended consequences.

There's some shit that's gonna fly.

On that cheery note, I'm off to bed.

456 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:43:13pm

re: #446 hermeneutics

wifi

Hmmm. Not sure then.

457 Cognito  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:43:17pm

re: #445 hermeneutics

Did it take you a long time to learn Arabic? Though I used to be almost fluent in classical greek, the thought of learning a semitic language scares me. How hard is it?

Well. It's hard. Hard enough that I can't really honestly say I've learned it. I've just picked up bits and pieces here and there. "Excuse me sir, where is the bathroom? Please? Now?"

458 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:43:33pm

re: #425 ethanxxx ROTFLMAO - well I used to be a gunslinger until I had to retire! LOL!

459 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:43:47pm

re: #430 Promethea

Unremarkable can be truly remarkable as when ordinary people do extraordinary deeds.

460 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:44:03pm

re: #453 Bob in Breckenridge

In the middle of it, it sounds like the stuff muslims play to tell them it's time to pray. Don't know if it's chanting or what.

I'll take another look......or listen..whatever!

461 Spiny Norman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:44:25pm

re: #414 NY Nana

re: #338 Spiny Norman

George "Goldfinger" Soros, James Bond villain come to life.

He isn't that good.

He DOES have that kind of money, though, and he is that single-minded. That makes him almost as dangerous.

The bastard made $3 Billion last year pushing CMOs and mortgage-backed securities over the cliff.

He is an obscene caricature of the evil capitalist pig.

462 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:44:42pm

re: #453 Bob in Breckenridge

Well, now it says: "The video is no longer available."

463 SpartanWoman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:44:46pm

re: #453 Bob in Breckenridge

A call to prayer used as a call to buy donuts? Now that would be magnificently irreverent, blasphemous even...so I doubt it.

464 joecitizen  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:44:58pm

re: #458 realwest

ROTFLMAO - well I used to be a gunslinger until I had to retire! LOL!

gunslingers NEVER get to retire,Real..someone'll drag ya back in!

465 gop_patriot  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:45:29pm

re: #459 hermeneutics

You have a new avatar! Did you take that picture?

And I never asked you but what was the avatar you had of something in a glass- was it a worm or centipede of some sort?

466 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:45:33pm

re: #426 J.D. Yup, for most folks that old adage is true: no matter how humble there is no place like home! Absolutely true; y'all just naturally feel comfortable in surroundings you've created.
Welcome Home!

467 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:45:53pm

re: #442 realwest
No sweetie, I'm in Emerald Isle, N.C. I go to Mass there occasionally!Saint Pius 10th Mass!But i know you live there!

468 Cognito  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:46:25pm

re: #453 Bob in Breckenridge

In the middle of it, it sounds like the stuff muslims play to tell them it's time to pray. Don't know if it's chanting or what.

Bob, I'd like to share a Bob Dylan lyric with you. It goes like this:

Well, I was feelin' sad and feelin' blue,
I didn't know what in the world I was gonna do,
Them Communists they wus comin' around,
They wus in the air,
They wus on the ground.
They wouldn't gimme no peace. . .

Well, I wus lookin' everywhere for them gol-darned Reds.
I got up in the mornin' 'n' looked under my bed,
Looked in the sink, behind the door,
Looked in the glove compartment of my car.
Couldn't find 'em . . .

;)

469 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:46:58pm

re: #453 Bob in Breckenridge

In the middle of it, it sounds like the stuff muslims play to tell them it's time to pray. Don't know if it's chanting or what.

Sounded more Amerindian to me!

470 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:47:46pm

re: #457 Cognito

Someone up thread mentioned there were no vowels in Arabic. Is it easier, then, to learn to read Arabic or to converse in it?

471 Timbre  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:47:52pm

Not to worry, Soros will soon be inconsequential.

472 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:48:03pm

re: #419 realwest


"That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -Christopher Hitchens.


I'm not exactly the world's biggest Hitch fan but that's a damn fine quote.

473 SpartanWoman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:48:27pm

re: #471 Timbre

Not to worry, Soros will soon be inconsequential.

Why?

474 Genosaurer  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:48:38pm

re: #428 Bob in Breckenridge

Found this from Dunkin' Donuts at youtube. Anyone notice anything unusual about it?

I didn't notice anything odd. What's in there that I'm missing?

Is it like the old Disney movies, with pornographic images in the background?

475 Egfrow  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:48:51pm

How can our countries patriots allow this type of Foreign Sedition to continue without consequences? Soros is a despicable socialist European scumbag! He is greasing the wheels of the easily corruptible, Thanks to the MSM attack of moral Decay, he has lot's of clients.

476 Dad O' Blondes  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:49:30pm

Soros?

Oh Brother. This is like a bad "Get Smart" episode.

.

477 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:49:32pm

re: #431 wolfie Thank you. But you really ought to thank Charles - most of his threads - the more serious, non-techie types, are of considerable interest, but every once in a while, he reports on a story that I just can't live with. I know I'm probably wasting time with the writing, but it makes ME feel as if I'M doing something about it.
Sure wish a bunch of other folks (hint, hint!) would do the same - and follow up, follow up and push and push.

478 RedSoxNation  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:49:57pm

Does anyone actually think McClellan wrote this book. I sure he worked with some ghost writer from the left if only to help him cash in on his one big shot to make money off of his Bush relationship. It should be noted that he did such a poor job as press secretary, he had only one shot at making money: the tell all book.

By the way, does Soros' connection violate any campaign finance laws...just wondering...

479 Cognito  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:50:31pm

re: #470 hermeneutics

Someone up thread mentioned there were no vowels in Arabic. Is it easier, then, to learn to read Arabic or to converse in it?

No, no -- there are vowels. They're just not commonly written. But they are pronounced, and in very proper Arabic -- usually used in religious context -- the vowels are added in. They look like... extra-diacritical marks... I suppose.

480 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:50:35pm

re: #465 gop_patriot

I took this pic today, GOP. On a windy mountain road in NM, I saw a roadside memorial for an accident victim. I find these memorials fascinating, to be honest, so I stopped and took some pictures. This was on the top of the cross.

At some point in our cultural history, ordinary Americans stopped going to the place of burial to grieve or pay respects, and started going to the place of death. This, to me, is absolutely fascinating. What a change in how we see death and burial!

If anyone has any experience with this, I'd love to hear it. Blue nic.

481 J.D.  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:51:25pm

re: #471 Timbre

Not to worry, Soros will soon be inconsequential.

How do you figure? He's not about to run out of money....

482 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:51:38pm

re: #472 Killgore Trout Why yes, yes it is Killgore - I took it from eclectic infidel's bio sheet (when you press on the small avatar), it's really HIS use of that quote that I was quoting.

483 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:51:39pm

re: #472 Killgore Trout
Sweet dreams to you to Kill gore Trout!

484 Timbre  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:52:42pm

re: #473 SpartanWoman

Money can't save a heart already ruptured or a soul already evaporated.

485 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:53:06pm

re: #436 formercorpsman HEY! Eff you, kid!

486 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:53:20pm

re: #464 joecitizen

gunslingers NEVER get to retire,Real..someone'll drag ya back in!

You obviously never saw

487 SpartanWoman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:53:41pm

re: #484 Timbre

um, that clears up everything....

488 Spiny Norman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:54:05pm

re: #478 RedSoxNation

Does anyone actually think McClellan wrote this book. I sure he worked with some ghost writer from the left if only to help him cash in on his one big shot to make money off of his Bush relationship. It should be noted that he did such a poor job as press secretary, he had only one shot at making money: the tell all book.

By the way, does Soros' connection violate any campaign finance laws...just wondering...

The book is being hawked by Soros' vanity publishing house, so I'm sure he had lots of help.

As to your second question, unless Bush is running for a third term, no. It's Goldfinger's last shot at his nemesis.

489 beachkatie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:54:10pm

re: #486 Bob in Breckenridge
Bob stay sweet! :)

490 Syrah  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:54:48pm

re: #453 Bob in Breckenridge

In the middle of it, it sounds like the stuff muslims play to tell them it's time to pray. Don't know if it's chanting or what.

The Adhan sounds very different.

491 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:55:04pm

re: #464 joecitizen

gunslingers NEVER get to retire,Real..someone'll drag ya back in!

Let's try again- You obviously saw this!

492 Timbre  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:56:41pm

Good night lizards, have to crawl back into my radiator, where's it's nice and dry...

493 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:56:52pm

re: #477 realwest

I think I will at least write my congressman and senators. I have a friend who has a fax machine at her office and I'm sure she'll let me use it, BTW, since you think that's more effective.

494 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:57:05pm

re: #474 Genosaurer

I didn't notice anything odd. What's in there that I'm missing?

Is it like the old Disney movies, with pornographic images in the background?

Never mind. I'm hearing strange things, lol.

495 J.D.  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:57:45pm

re: #478 RedSoxNation

Does anyone actually think McClellan wrote this book. I sure he worked with some ghost writer from the left if only to help him cash in on his one big shot to make money off of his Bush relationship. It should be noted that he did such a poor job as press secretary, he had only one shot at making money: the tell all book.

By the way, does Soros' connection violate any campaign finance laws...just wondering...

It's sort of looking as though he may have covered that. This is from 2004. A wealth of information about everything Soros.
GEORGE SOROS BACKGROUNDER

...Soros Has Reportedly Contributed A Total Of $18 Million To Campaign Finance Reform Advocacy Groups Over The Last Seven Years. “Soros has backed altering campaign finance, an aide said, donating close to $18 million over the past seven years.” (Laura Blumenfeld, “Soros’s Deep Pockets Vs. Bush,” The Washington Post, 11/11/03)...

No one I know of yet has pressed the issue so I'm guessing he hasn't.

496 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:57:52pm

re: #489 beachkatie

Bob stay sweet! :)

I try to, I swear I do.

497 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:57:54pm

re: #493 wolfie

I wrote today to two AZ representatives ... snail mail. Thought it would be more effective that way. Perhaps I should have faxed it?

498 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:58:51pm

re: #494 Bob in Breckenridge

Bob, How's the heartrate and bloodpressure today? Low?

499 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:00:04pm

An evil "Six degrees of Soros"? (in this case much less)
So when does Bush act the part of evil emperor and have Soros either whacked or thrown in jail? What? Never? Sigh... sigh... and yet the left will carry on acting like Bush is worse than Hitler/Stalin/name your favorite mass murderer all the while grandstanding with witch hunts in Congress (and anything and everything non-useful for anyone else) instead of fixing the fuel mess they've caused...

500 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:00:28pm

re: #464 joecitizen Oh hell, I've volunteered my legal services to a few LGFer's from time to time when the cause seemed just or the individual valuable to us out here, but I can't do those 65-75 workweeks, day in and day out every effin' week the way I did for over 35 years.
But working that hard, at specialized law firms or at speciality departments in law firms, plus teaching Real Estate Law to Grad students as an Adjunct Associate Professor certainly honed my skills some and I enjoy puttin them to use from time to time.
As I said, when the cause is right or the indiviudal is a person of considerable value then I gladly strap 'em on and come on out to play! LOL!

501 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:00:39pm

re: #493 wolfie

I think I will at least write my congressman and senators. I have a friend who has a fax machine at her office and I'm sure she'll let me use it, BTW, since you think that's more effective.

Faxes are so 1990's. : )

502 jcm  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:01:11pm

re: #450 realwest

Well I ain't gonna break it by myself (even though, once I calm down and plan it all out - which I can't really do with Ajax! - I do write fairly good letters. But the fact is more people - LOTS more people are going to have to write before this gets much traction. I am encouraged, however, that the BBC, Rueters and the NY Times all covered the story for one day, anyway.

I got a email list for all my congress critters. They got the message form me.

It's got to break big in the media for folks to notice.

503 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:01:30pm

re: #497 hermeneutics

I wrote today to two AZ representatives ... snail mail. Thought it would be more effective that way. Perhaps I should have faxed it?

I would think snail mail would be just as effective, but who knows?


i love snail mail
i love pens
i love paper
i am a dinosaur

504 SpartanWoman  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:01:33pm

re: #499 anotherindyfilmguy

If Soros is a Bond villain, then who the heck is gonna be Bond?

505 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:03:17pm

re: #501 Bob in Breckenridge

Faxes are so 1990's. : )

True.
I don't even know how to send one.
My friend would have to do it for me.
I am very 1890's!

506 Cognito  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:03:46pm

re: #503 wolfie

I would think snail mail would be just as effective, but who knows?


i love snail mail
i love pens
i love paper
i am a dinosaur

Mmmm. Yes.

I think one day we'll discover the dinosaurs didn't perish in tar pits. Those were ink wells.

507 Promethea  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:03:53pm

re: #333 Pawn of the Oppressor

It was not "the" headline reason. There were a dozen reasons to do it, all of them more reasonable and, dare I say it, nuanced, than just a pile of chemical weapons in Saddam's basement:

1. Because we could (and this was good enough for Bush himself), or, to put it differently, we had the closest thing he could get politically to a free pass (9/11) to finally put the Middle East in line the way we wanted to. This got repackaged with a bow later as "The Bush Doctrine", a noble experiment in bringing Democracy to the world's second-most-barbaric collection of Shithole Countries, after Africa, but in Bush's own words it was a chance to scare the Arabs into line, which, while vulgar, is perfectly acceptible in modern politics.

2. Removal of Saddam meant removing our biggest and yet most easily removed antagonist in the region only months after his Muslim brethren stung us badly - given the way his regime was sliding towards religiosity to keep its hold on power, and with his budget, his track record of antagonism towards just about everybody, AND his WMDs, this was a very bad thing. Here we've been bushwacked by a bunch of camel f-ckers who somehow managed to attend college AND flight school, and there are more of them out there, and there sits Saddam with a grudge, a pile of cash, and all sorts of things that go "boom".

3. Taking him out would allow us to GTFO of Saudi Arabia, never a bad thing (This also conveniently removed one of Osama's alleged reasons for hating us, though that was a fringe benefit - I think the $80 billion spent tooling around in the no-fly zones was a bigger concern).

4. It allowed us to box in Iran using Iraqi territory and those juicy big airbases the Soviets built for him, definitely a Good Thing according to just about everybody in the Gulf, although they said this behind closed doors.

5. Oil. Not taking it, of course, but stabilizing the region to keep the supply stable, by increasing our security presence in the region (much as we do already in the shipping lanes).

Somewhere down further on this list would be humanitarian concern, but I remember very clearly that all they could say for weeks and months on end was "WMD, WMD, WMD". I remember being asked by a German friend "Yes but, why Iraq?" and I had to answer him, truthfully, "I don't know - they aren't giving us the full story." They being, the elite, the media/government complex, whatever you want to call it.

Or, to summarize your excellent post.....Bush plucked the low-hanging fruit.

508 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:03:59pm

Just browsing through the books available at the various Perseus Books Groups publishers and I noticed Vincent Bugliosi's latest Left-wing crime fantasy: The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder

In The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder Vincent Bugliosi presents a tight, meticulously researched legal case that puts George W. Bush on trial in an American courtroom for the murder of nearly 4,000 American soldiers fighting the war in Iraq. Bugliosi sets forth the legal architecture and incontrovertible evidence that President Bush took this nation to war in Iraq under false pretenses—a war that has not only caused the deaths of American soldiers but also over 100,000 innocent Iraqi men, women, and children; cost the United States over one trillion dollars thus far with no end in sight; and alienated many American allies in the Western world. As a prosecutor who is dedicated to seeking justice, Bugliosi, in his inimitable style, delivers a non-partisan argument, free from party lines and instead based upon hard facts and pure objectivity. A searing indictment of the President and his administration, The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder also outlines a legally credible pathway to holding our highest government officials accountable for their actions, thereby creating a framework for future occupants of the oval office. Vincent Bugliosi calls for the United States of America to return to the great nation it once was and can be again. He believes the first step to achieving this goal is to bring those responsible for the war in Iraq to justice.

Sounds like just the book for the BDS sufferer in your life...something to help them sleep at night.

I also see that Pereus Books Group includes Basic Books which publishes a lot of good writers including Christopher Hitchens, Paul Johnson and Thomas Sowell, and is considered fairly conservative.

509 ethanxxx  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:04:08pm

re: #504 SpartanWoman

If Soros is a Bond villain, then who the heck is gonna be Bond?

I'll do it! license to kill? Hell Ya'!

510 Zonie  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:04:20pm

re: #158 bluegrassredstate

well here are 6 other fun books by perseus.

they have some stuff that appears to be unbiased or whatever, but it probably isn't . . .

Man, what a comedown for McLelland to be published by basically a vanity publisher. I wonder how many of those books even make back the amount invested in their original print run?

511 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:04:32pm

re: #498 hermeneutics

Bob, How's the heartrate and bloodpressure today? Low?

So far, so good, thanks. Have to see the dr. tomorrow. Fortunately she's hot, 36 yrs old, and divorced. Last time I had an appoinment. I was involved with a psycho-chick from hell.

512 ethanxxx  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:05:37pm

re: #509 ethanxxx

I'll do it! license to kill? Hell Ya'!

I meant that in the Theatrical sense.

513 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:06:03pm

re: #507 Promethea

Or, to summarize your excellent post.....Bush plucked the low-hanging fruit.

An excellent summary of Pawn's excellent post!

514 petn sandwich  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:06:05pm

biopharmaceutical?

Whoever said there wasn't money to be made in socialized medicine...

515 gop_patriot  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:06:13pm

re: #480 hermeneutics

I just thought the sign was odd, and wondered what context it was in. That's very interesting, that it was on top of a cross at an accident site.

To add another observation to your comment about people going to the site of death and not the grave to pay respects, is something that I've noticed here in Arkansas more than any other place in the South. More than a few people putting 'memorials' on their back car or truck window, to a deceased relative or friend. I mean, full blown, fill up the window, complete with "praying hands" and crosses with lilies, things like this:

Mary Smith
beloved mother, sister, daughter, friend
Gone but always remembered
b. 1950 d. 2001

Is this unusual, or do people all over the place do this?

516 joecitizen  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:06:14pm

re: #491 Bob in Breckenridge

Let's try again- You obviously saw this!

no,but I heard this..IGNORE the video,which is inexplicable..

517 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:06:31pm

re: #505 wolfie

True.
I don't even know how to send one.
My friend would have to do it for me.
I am very 1890's!

Ummm, the Pony Express is history and Western Union doesn't do telegrams anymore.

518 gop_patriot  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:06:48pm

re: #512 ethanxxx

LOL

519 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:06:58pm

re: #506 Cognito

:O !

520 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:07:25pm

re: #493 wolfie Hey Good on you wolfie! That's two of us pushing it, now if only a few more would volunteer!
And you do know that although any letter should be polite, that doesn't mean it can't be STRONG and DEMANDING action be taken!

521 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:08:24pm

re: #503 wolfie

I love books.
I love to fold a crease into the last page I read.
I love the smell of old books ... the kind found in specialty libraries.
I love the way a new book's binding crackles when first opened.
I love serif fonts.
I love to read in bed, on my side, with a little light illuminating one page.
I love to mark up books irreverently.
I love the way books line up like soldiers on my shelves.

I love books.

522 joecitizen  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:08:29pm

re: #500 realwest

Oh hell, I've volunteered my legal services to a few LGFer's from time to time when the cause seemed just or the individual valuable to us out here, but I can't do those 65-75 workweeks, day in and day out every effin' week the way I did for over 35 years.
But working that hard, at specialized law firms or at speciality departments in law firms, plus teaching Real Estate Law to Grad students as an Adjunct Associate Professor certainly honed my skills some and I enjoy puttin them to use from time to time.
As I said, when the cause is right or the indiviudal is a person of considerable value then I gladly strap 'em on and come on out to play! LOL!


gregory peck,baby,gregory peck...

523 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:09:04pm

re: #516 joecitizen

no,but I heard this..IGNORE the video,which is inexplicable..

What's wrong with it?

524 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:09:07pm

re: #517 Bob in Breckenridge

Ummm, the Pony Express is history and Western Union doesn't do telegrams anymore.

And you call THAT progress?! :)

525 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:09:38pm

re: #497 hermeneutics
Actually, faxing is better - snail mail still gets x-rayed and sometimes sniffed by special dogs and can take a while longer than even the US Post office to get to the official. That's why I used e-mail AND fax.
Just suggesting!
And thank you.

526 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:10:31pm

re: #521 hermeneutics

I love books.
I love to fold a crease into the last page I read.
I love the smell of old books ... the kind found in specialty libraries.
I love the way a new book's binding crackles when first opened.
I love serif fonts.
I love to read in bed, on my side, with a little light illuminating one page.
I love to mark up books irreverently.
I love the way books line up like soldiers on my shelves.

I love books.

You're every library patron's worst nightmare. : )

527 ContraJihadi  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:10:51pm

re: #329 jainphx

(Sorry for late reply. I was wandering other threads). Many thanks. You give me some hope that I might still be useful, should the necessity arise.

528 SpartanWoman  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:11:30pm

Well I emailed a few dozen people about this including some McCain people. This poisonous brew was injected into the campaign season for a cause and McCain stands to lose. If he won't stand up to Soros then the only hope is lizards and dittoheads

529 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:11:51pm

re: #511 Bob in Breckenridge

Well, I'm glad you got rid of the psycho-chick! Enjoy your doc appointment tomorrow ... and remember why you're there!

530 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:12:05pm

re: #521 hermeneutics

Me too.
And if it's a really good one, I like a pencil in my hand.
I deface books. I admit it.
I underline, I bracket, and I put stars and ?'s all over them.

531 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:12:19pm

re: #502 jcm Good for you for writing too! I figured since BBC, Rueters and the NY Times had written about it, it would have gotten more traction in the rest of the MSM.
Maybe we ought to send letters to at least FOX. The rest of the MSM HATES Fox News, but not enough to let a hot story go by the boards because it was covered by Fox!

532 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:12:40pm

re: #513 wolfie

An excellent summary of Pawn's excellent post!

I'm just thinking of Bush paraphrasing JFK...

"I've Decidinated to blow up these countries, not because it's smart, but because it's easy!"

533 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:13:20pm

re: #524 wolfie

And you call THAT progress?! :)

You're absolutely correct! I have two cheap stage coach tickets from Las Vegas to Los Angeles. I'll sell them to you for $60. If you don't buy them, they'll be listed on eBay.

534 ContraJihadi  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:13:41pm

re: #430 Promethea

BTW, George Soros WILL be taken down by people like me. His days of influence are numbered.

One way or another, hopefully under the rule of law, that person must be brought to account for all the mischief he has inflicted upon patriotic Americans.

535 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:14:39pm

re: #532 Pawn of the Oppressor

Bwaaahahahaha !

536 joecitizen  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:14:48pm

re: #523 Bob in Breckenridge

What's wrong with it?

the song is one of my faves but I just can't deal with tina turner for 3 minutes let alone 10...

537 ethanxxx  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:14:49pm
538 J.D.  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:15:30pm

re: #528 SpartanWoman

Well I emailed a few dozen people about this including some McCain people. This poisonous brew was injected into the campaign season for a cause and McCain stands to lose. If he won't stand up to Soros then the only hope is lizards and dittoheads


and 60,000 old white women in Ohio

539 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:15:32pm

re: #515 gop_patriot

It is here, in AZ, too -- I've noticed it primarily on cars driven by Hispanics, though. I used to teach at ASU and when a couple of my students grandparents died, they got huge memorial tattoos on their backs. I mean HUGE. Their entire upper back was an "advertisement" to grandma, or grandpa.

So sad. It has something to do about making public the private ... advertising or publicizing grief.

540 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:16:00pm

re: #529 hermeneutics

Well, I'm glad you got rid of the psycho-chick! Enjoy your doc appointment tomorrow ... and remember why you're there!

Thanks. The only bad part was she is a hair stylist, so now I have to pay for my haircuts.

541 SpartanWoman  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:16:05pm

re: #534 ContraJihadi

I wish you all the best with that endeavor and hope there are plenty of well situated lizards out there!

542 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:16:46pm

re: #526 Bob in Breckenridge

Yea, I really am. And I always lose my card.

543 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:18:07pm

re: #533 Bob in Breckenridge

Dang! Gotta find me a mule to get me over the Blue Ridge first!

544 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:18:32pm

re: #536 joecitizen

the song is one of my faves but I just can't deal with tina turner for 3 minutes let alone 10...

What song?

545 NY Nana  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:18:58pm

re: #461 Spiny Norman

He DOES have that kind of money, though, and he is that single-minded. That makes him almost as dangerous.

The bastard made $3 Billion last year pushing CMOs and mortgage-backed securities over the cliff.

He is an obscene caricature of the evil capitalist pig.

You are right...and he remains both amoral and dangerous.

I wonder what he will do next...it is the unknown in someone of his ilk that scares me..

He would never do anything himself, but can easily pay someone off...sort of reminds me of the Billaries. Consummate evil.

I wonder what McClellan will have to say now that the Soros connection has been revealed, along with his very questionable CV. How the hell did he get hired? That is really the question that needs answering..someone within the White House, like a plant?

546 joecitizen  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:18:59pm

I just killed a spider on my wall..I used ta heave 'em out the window but I guess I've gotten lazy in my conservatism...

547 solomonpanting  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:19:24pm

Well, from this article it appears as though the Bush Administration was merely more efficient at message control:

While message control has been part of many administrations, Mann said that, "They were just tougher and more disciplined about it than anyone else had been."

He doesn't say it's wrong, mind you, just better than anyone else.

McClellan recounts how Bush, as governor of Texas, spelled out his approach about the press at their very first meeting in 1998. He said Bush "mentioned some of his expectations for his spokespeople — the importance of staying on message; the need to talk about what you're for, rather than what you are against; how he liked to make the big news on his own time frame and terms without his spokespeople getting out in front of him, and, finally, making sure that public statements were coordinated internally so that everyone is always on the same page and there are few surprises."

And the problem here is what, that teamwork and cohesion are evil?

I'm surprised the article mentions the reason for McClellan's book:

As spokesman, McClellan ardently defended Bush's decision to invade Iraq and the conduct of his presidency over the course of nearly 300 briefings in two years and 10 months. Now, two years after leaving the White House and eager to make money on his book...

But you knew that.

548 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:19:26pm

re: #540 Bob in Breckenridge

Oh, cough up the 20 dollars and enjoy your freedom. No haircut is worth a bad relationship!

Seriously, take care of yourself. You scared us yesterday.

549 J.D.  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:19:26pm

re: #537 ethanxxx

Not related to the thread, but interesting.

A video that purportedly shows a living, breathing space alien will be shown to the news media Friday in Denver.

Some of the comments are hilarious!

Aliens are real? Of course they are! They are just as believable as global warming, endangered polar bears, black oppression, wi-fi allergies and Obama's love for america. I just hope we don't find that the aliens are muslims. That would be more than I could "bear."
550 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:19:49pm

re: #537 ethanxxx No doubt an advanced Scout for the aliens at the Dem National Committee!
HEY! Maybe we ought to buy up all the tinfoil in Denver two days before the convention starts! We'll be RICH beyond our Wildest dreams! LOL!

551 joecitizen  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:20:28pm

re: #544 Bob in Breckenridge

What song?


uh,Brownsville Girl? or are you just so gone fer psycho chicks that you failed to notice?

552 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:20:49pm

re: #537 ethanxxx

Not related to the thread, but interesting.

A video that purportedly shows a living, breathing space alien will be shown to the news media Friday in Denver.

No, no, no...That's in August when the Obamessiah accepts the dummycrap nomination for President.

553 wannabuyaduck  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:22:22pm

re: #480 hermeneutics

There are quite a few of the roadside memorials here in the S.F. Bay Area. Many of them also have flowers and other items along with the crosses. I was told the practice was hispanic in origin and it is common in Mexico. A quick websearch brought up this site, where they are called "descansos" -- [Link: webpages.charter.net...]

554 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:22:36pm

re: #543 wolfie

Dang! Gotta find me a mule to get me over the Blue Ridge first!

Blue Ridge Mountains?

555 gop_patriot  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:23:16pm

re: #539 hermeneutics

So sad. It has something to do about making public the private ... advertising or publicizing grief.

That's exactly what my mom said, "taking something private and making it public". An interesting phenomenon. I'm not sure what a good analogy would be, but reading your private diary/journal out loud to your co-workers, at the lunch table, whether they are interested or not, comes close.

556 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:23:51pm

re: #548 hermeneutics

Oh, cough up the 20 dollars and enjoy your freedom. No haircut is worth a bad relationship!

Seriously, take care of yourself. You scared us yesterday.

Thanks, I'm fine. The weird part is the "experts" have no idea what caused it.

557 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:23:56pm

Well y'all it's been grand, but I really gotta get to sleep!
I hope you all have a GREAT NIGHT/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Goodnight, all.

558 J.D.  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:25:00pm

Nite realwest.
Sleep well.

559 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:25:09pm

re: #551 joecitizen

uh,Brownsville Girl? or are you just so gone fer psycho chicks that you failed to notice?

Shit, I thought I posted the clip from "Blazing Saddles" of Gene Wilder as the "Waco Kid".

560 ethanxxx  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:25:09pm

re: #557 realwest

Goodnight buddy. Dream well.

561 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:25:31pm

re: #557 realwest

Well y'all it's been grand, but I really gotta get to sleep!
I hope you all have a GREAT NIGHT/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Goodnight, all.

Cya realwest.

562 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:25:32pm

re: #554 Bob in Breckenridge

Blue Ridge Mountains?

Yep. I'm smack dab in the middle of them.

563 ContraJihadi  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:25:40pm

re: #541 SpartanWoman

Many thanks, SpartanWoman. These next few months will find me resettling. Then I must update my will and have a lawyer write a trust, so that I can do my best for my son, his wife, and the grandchildren I hope to see before I die. After that I need to concentrate on contributing everything in my power to preserving our constitutional republic. This means promoting national sovereignty at home and buttressing our natural ally Israel.

564 joecitizen  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:26:56pm

re: #559 Bob in Breckenridge

Shit, I thought I posted the clip from "Blazing Saddles" of Gene Wilder as the "Waco Kid".

wow...you did man..and I threw brownsville girl by dylan back atcha..

565 William  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:27:11pm

Was always sad to see Ari Fleischer go, he was a master at handling the dimwit "mainstream" media, second only to Rumsfeld.

McLellan always seemed in over his head, and this "book" is further evidence of that.

What was your price Scott? How much cash was needed for you to undermine your country and CIC?

566 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:27:54pm

re: #553 wannabuyaduck

Great source. Thanks. I've been taking pics of these roadside memorials for about four years now and have about two or three hundred images. Although some may have hispanic origin, many are Protestant or secular. I've photographed them in the woods of Alaska and in 40 states.

I started interviewing older people who have told me differing stories about when they first saw these memorials. One man, a Lutheran from Nebraska, said he was part of a group of high school students who memorialized a friend who had been killed in a farm accident. He was devoutly Lutheran and had no contact with the Catholicism of Mexico.

Oh, and I've found them in secular countries, such as Norway.

Interesting, huh?

567 joecitizen  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:28:07pm

re: #559 Bob in Breckenridge

Shit, I thought I posted the clip from "Blazing Saddles" of Gene Wilder as the "Waco Kid".


you are living up (down?) to your avatar..heh

568 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:30:16pm

re: #562 wolfie

Yep. I'm smack dab in the middle of them.

In Kentucky?

569 J.D.  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:31:02pm
570 wannabuyaduck  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:32:53pm

The "descansos" page also has numerous links to the practice in a wide range of countries, including Ireland and Australia.

571 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:33:30pm

re: #567 joecitizen

you are living up (down?) to your avatar..heh

Actually, since I moved into my new house, I've had to go back to dial-up. There are 4 houses where I live, and I'm the only who actually lives here, so there's no cable or DSL yet, so watching youtube videos is next to impossible.

572 J.D.  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:33:34pm

re: #568 Bob in Breckenridge

Wait! Blue Ridge Mountains in Kentucky?

573 Mel Lono  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:34:21pm

re: #528 SpartanWoman

Well I emailed a few dozen people about this including some McCain people. This poisonous brew was injected into the campaign season for a cause and McCain stands to lose. If he won't stand up to Soros then the only hope is lizards and dittoheads

McCain/Feingold was a big reason Soros can do what he's doing now. Talk about chickens coming home to roost...

574 joecitizen  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:34:29pm

re: #571 Bob in Breckenridge

Actually, since I moved into my new house, I've had to go back to dial-up. There are 4 houses where I live, and I'm the only who actually lives here, so there's no cable or DSL yet, so watching youtube videos is next to impossible.


aaah,that'splains alot...

575 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:34:54pm

re: #572 J.D.

Wait! Blue Ridge Mountains in Kentucky?

Tennessee?

576 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:35:52pm

re: #548 hermeneutics

Roadside crosses w/ flowers are fairly common on the backroads of the mtns of VA and WVA. I almost see them as warnings to the living, since they naturally appear at treacherous places.
I'm pretty sure the practice is no older than the automobile, and know of no other similar memorials used in Appalachia.

577 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:36:08pm

re: #575 Bob in Breckenridge

Virginia.

578 J.D.  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:37:19pm

Well, I don't know where he lives! But if it's the Blue Ridge Mountains I think it has to be Pennsylvania, Virginia, Tennessee, North Carolina, South Carolina or Georgia. What's smack in the middle?

579 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:39:27pm

re: #576 wolfie

Roadside crosses w/ flowers are fairly common on the backroads of the mtns of VA and WVA. I almost see them as warnings to the living, since they naturally appear at treacherous places.
I'm pretty sure the practice is no older than the automobile, and know of no other similar memorials used in Appalachia.

Same thing here, wolfie, since a lot of roads have over 100 foot falls if you happen to drive off them. Some have over 1000 feet.

580 J.D.  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:39:43pm

Oh! Forgot Maryland!

581 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:40:33pm

re: #576 wolfie

Roman Catholic priest setting up missions in the Southwest would put memorials along their trails at the spot where someone had died. Now, I don't know if they immediately buried someone (that would make sense) or if they memorialzed both the place of death and that of burial. I've seen a couple of these memorials while hiking.

I've also seen them at places where someone has drowned ... along rivers and on the ocean beaches.

If you see a truly interesting memorial, would you snap a pic of it and send it to me? I'd so much appreciate that. I'll need a location, too.

582 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:40:55pm

re: #568 Bob in Breckenridge

In Kentucky?

Southwestern Virginia....Northwestern Virginia being that new state now called West Virginia.
(It is funny that Virginians still call the western part of the state Southwestern Virginia.)

583 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:40:58pm

re: #577 hermeneutics

Virginia.

I was close! Kind of...I know the Rocky Mountains.

584 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:43:59pm

re: #580 J.D.

Also (eastern) Kentucky. We usually call the mtns in Pennsylvania the Alleghenies. Don't know if that's technically correct or not!

585 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:44:52pm

Here's what bugs me ... people always, for centuries, went to the place of burial to remember, grieve, and respect. Graveyards have always been that place.

Now, people choose to go to the "Place where X took his/her last breath."

Why? Why has the place of burial diminished in importance?

I've noticed that many of these crosses/memorials are very secular. There's all sorts of crap around the memorial. Recently, rabbits are common. I'm serious. OOdles of little, ceramic rabbits. Also, painted rocks.

I've seen several unopened bottles near accident sites that may have been caused by drunk drivers. I've also seen kids go to the memorial, open up beer and drink with the deceased.

Its so weird.

586 ContraJihadi  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:44:59pm

re: #573 Mel Lono

McCain/Feingold was a big reason Soros can do what he's doing now. Talk about chickens coming home to roost...

True, McCain, like Bush, is deeply flawed, but the choice won't be between McCain and a paragon of perfection. The contestants will be a flawed but patriotic man on the one side and either an appeasing, socialistic naif or a pandering, self-aggrandizing witch on the other.

587 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:45:34pm

re: #581 hermeneutics

Will do.
Writing a note to remind myself!

588 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:46:22pm

re: #587 wolfie

Thank you so much, Wolfie!

589 LEGION  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:46:41pm

Too Arms Too Arms! Stop the evil Soros attack. Evil King George must be defeated!

590 wannabuyaduck  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:47:10pm

re: #566 hermeneutics

Just a few weeks ago when going for a walk in the hills above the town, I came across a trailside memorial a little way back from the path. It caught my eye because it included a lawn chair. On and around the lawn chair were some flowers, laminated photos, and a few paragraphs about the person it was memorializing, who had liked to go to that area to sit and contemplate (nice view of the Pacific).

591 friarstale  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:47:10pm

here's the latest chapter of Voltaire's Candide, Chapter 16
[Link: cruxy.com...]

592 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:47:14pm

re: #582 wolfie

Southwestern Virginia....Northwestern Virginia being that new state now called West Virginia.
(It is funny that Virginians still call the western part of the state Southwestern Virginia.)

Give the senior Senator from WV time. It'll be called West Byrdginia eventually. He's named everything else in the state after himself. I once took a dump in the Robert Byrd public toilet in Wheeling, WV.

593 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:48:37pm

re: #590 wannabuyaduck

Oh, please, wannabuy, if you go to that spot again, would you snap a few pics for me? I've not seen a lawnchair memorial and would like to add it to my collection of images.

594 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:49:25pm

re: #585 hermeneutics

A fascinating subject.
In so far as the ones near here are concerned, I doubt that the memorials replace the grave as a site of mourning. My own crude speculation is that they are temporary sites. I will snoop and ask.

595 J.D.  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:50:04pm

re: #582 wolfie

Virginia is a very pretty state.

596 wannabuyaduck  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:51:14pm

re: #593 hermeneutics

Certainly --

597 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:51:25pm

re: #585 hermeneutics

I would think it serves as a reminder that someone died here, and so could others, so slow down. 9 times out of 10, it's kids that die that way.

598 J.D.  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:51:50pm

re: #584 wolfie

I was born in Kentucky and lived there for ? years until 2006. I don't think there are any mountains, per se, in Kentucky. There are some hills, though!

599 Mel Lono  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:52:02pm

re: #473 SpartanWoman

Why?

More interested in How...

600 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:52:55pm

re: #592 Bob in Breckenridge

Give the senior Senator from WV time. It'll be called West Byrdginia eventually. He's named everything else in the state after himself. I once took a dump in the Robert Byrd public toilet in Wheeling, WV.

Yes, I believe I know the one. If you go north on the Robert Byrd Parkway, cross the Robert Byrd Expressway, then go west on the Robert Byrd Highway, which is just a mile beyond the Robert Byrd Overpass, I believe you will come to the Robert Byrd Rest Stop. It's about ten miles south of the Robert Byrd Bridge near the Robert Byrd Interchange, isn't it?

601 Mel Lono  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:54:42pm

re: #586 ContraJihadi

I've said enough here (not lately) that lizards know I will never, ever vote for McCain. Sitting this one out and giving thanks for the early decision.

602 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:55:05pm

re: #600 wolfie

Yes, I believe I know the one. If you go north on the Robert Byrd Parkway, cross the Robert Byrd Expressway, then go west on the Robert Byrd Highway, which is just a mile beyond the Robert Byrd Overpass, I believe you will come to the Robert Byrd Rest Stop. It's about ten miles south of the Robert Byrd Bridge near the Robert Byrd Interchange, isn't it?

Yep, just up the road from the Robert Byrd bypass, if you go past the Robert Byrd post office, it's about a quarter mile east.

603 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:55:20pm

re: #598 J.D.

I was born in Kentucky and lived there for ? years until 2006. I don't think there are any mountains, per se, in Kentucky. There are some hills, though!

Oh, there are mtns in the eastern part, near Virginia! Still not a whole lot of roads, though!

604 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:55:26pm

re: #597 Bob in Breckenridge

In some states, such as Montana, I believe, the state erects little unadorned white crosses where people die on roads. I remember being a bit spooked when I saw a dozen or so crosses on the bend of a highway. This effectively slowed me down!

Legal issues abound, by the way. Many states are trying to restrict this practice. Florida, for instance, has a circular sign (no cross for them) with the name of the deceased. But friends and family go to the sign and decorate it wth flowers, etc.

Remember when Diana died -- that princess person in England -- and the Brits covered fences and other makeshift memorials with teddybears and other kitsch?

What the heck does a beanie baby have to do with Diana? Or, your dead friend? I have no idea.

605 J.D.  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:56:14pm

re: #585 hermeneutics

I've seen those in Kentucky, too, and here. Well, and probably ever state in between. There are some places that won't allow them within the city limits.

606 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:57:28pm

re: #602 Bob in Breckenridge

Exactly!
In other states they have people voting after they're dead.
In WVA, they'll be electing Byrd after he's dead.

607 NY Nana  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:59:04pm

G'nite, all! Off to sleep to prepare for seeing our 21 month old grandson today!

He runs way too fast to keep up with! ;)

608 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:59:58pm

re: #607 NY Nana

Good night, Nana. Enjoy the little one.

609 J.D.  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:00:09pm

re: #603 wolfie

I guess there are some in the Appalachians in eastern Kentucky...

610 hermeneutics  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:01:31pm

Okay, dears ... I'm about to cuddle with my son until he sleeps. Good night!

611 J.D.  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:03:42pm

re: #609 J.D.

I guess there are some in the Appalachians in eastern Kentucky...

Then again, maybe not.

The dissected plateau area, while not actually made up of geological mountains, is popularly called "mountains", especially in eastern Kentucky and West Virginia, and while the ridges are not high, the terrain is extremely rugged.


Oh, well.
They're pretty!

612 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:04:12pm
LGF reader John Williams

The John Williams? As in, the Star Wars music guy?! He's a lizard too?!

Kidding! G'night lizards.

613 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:04:25pm

re: #602 Bob in Breckenridge

After 25 years in this area I have come to love the Appalachians and think of them as home.
But I still love to go out west. I was born and raised in Bolivia, and there are places in Colorado that are so similar it sends chills up my spine.

614 Da_Beerfreak  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:04:34pm

re: #537 ethanxxx

Not related to the thread, but interesting.

A video that purportedly shows a living, breathing space alien will be shown to the news media Friday in Denver.

Paging Art Bell...

615 pat  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:04:57pm

CNN just announced the Rachel Ray DD ad was pulled because some of us might mistake her for a terrorist. Yep.
/hahahahaha. We are all so stupid!

616 Zonie  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:05:50pm

Well, just stopped in to see all your lovely scaly faces... God bless you all and have a wonderful evening.

617 pat  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:05:52pm

re: #611 J.D.

Nite, JD.
/lol.....*

618 DesertSage  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:06:00pm

Q- What did Tennessee when he looked across the Mississippi?

A- The same thing Arkansas.

619 J.D.  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:07:36pm

re: #615 pat
Might mistake her for a terrorist? LOL

620 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:08:00pm

re: #611 J.D.

Now don't go get technical on us! We call them mountains.

Did you ever see an obscure little movie called The Man Who Went Up a Hill and Came Down a Mountain? It's based on a true story about a Welsh town that banded together to fight the reclassification of their local "mountain" as a "hill." Very funny and moving.

621 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:09:17pm

re: #618 DesertSage

What did Delaware?


dang me.........i can't remember the answer.....dang

622 wannabuyaduck  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:10:02pm

re: #620 wolfie

Now don't go get technical on us! We call them mountains.

Did you ever see an obscure little movie called The Man Who Went Up a Hill and Came Down a Mountain? It's based on a true story about a Welsh town that banded together to fight the reclassification of their local "mountain" as a "hill." Very funny and moving.

Was just thinking about that one! Loved that movie.

623 MrArchieBunker  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:10:26pm

I was just perusing the center right blogs and I'm floored this post isn't getting more traction....get on the stick folks

624 pat  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:12:19pm

pat is secret fan of Rachel Ray. Often at 'serious' meetings will exchange her recipes. lol Fast and good.

625 Stonemason  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:12:23pm

re: #618 DesertSage

Q- What did Tennessee when he looked across the Mississippi?

A- The same thing Arkansas.

Q- If Pennsylvania had a party, what would Delaware?


A- A New Jersey

626 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:13:41pm

re: #625 Stonemason

That's it !


never mind

627 Stonemason  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:14:17pm

re: #623 MrArchieBunker

This Soros news was discussed on the O'Riley radio program today (yeah, I know, but it was all that was on). He was bloviating about how the book was gonna be ignored 'cause it is all old stuff and that it was obviously Left Wing Talking Points, funded by Soros.

628 J.D.  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:15:39pm

re: #617 pat
Now, you, I suppose, would be an expert on volcanoes? Hmmmm?


re: #620 wolfie

No. I haven't seen that, but it sounds like something I'd enjoy.
I don't mean to be technical, but we've always been told there are not "technically" any mountains in Kentucky and I have always wanted to really know but never looked it up.
*sigh*
I'm still not sure.

629 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:15:42pm

re: #622 wannabuyaduck

Was just thinking about that one! Loved that movie.

Me too! That and About a Boy are the best things Hugh Grant has ever done, I think.

630 J.D.  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:16:40pm

re: #621 wolfie

What did Delaware?


dang me.........i can't remember the answer.....dang

That's exactly what happened to me! LOL!

I'd better re-order that fish oil supplement...LOL...I think it helped!

631 MrArchieBunker  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:19:21pm

I caught O'Reilly's radio show as well, but Charles (as usual) has provided the ironclad documentation. Its a judgment call I suppose, perhaps some think its not attention worthy. I disagree. Expose the spider who spins the web.

632 DesertSage  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:19:31pm

A Man, A plan, A canal. Panama.

633 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:20:21pm

re: #606 wolfie

Exactly!
In other states they have people voting after they're dead.
In WVA, they'll be electing Byrd after he's dead.

I was born and raised in Chicago. Geez, do I know that!

634 Stonemason  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:21:16pm

re: #631 MrArchieBunker

Agreed, I try that too. People call conspiracy theory immediately though, it becomes rather frustrating. Soros is behind so much, it is out there to be discovered, and still people ignore it.

635 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:21:34pm

re: #628 J.D.

I haven't a clue about their true geological classification, either. But when you get deep into western VA/eastern KY, you are really in another world. That is wild country!

We drove to Lexington KY once and thought it would be nice to try the direct route (crow-flying) along the backroads instead of going "out of our way" on the interstate. Six years later, when we rolled into Lexington, we knew we had made a mistake.


slight exaggeration

636 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:22:19pm

re: #632 DesertSage

WOW !

637 DesertSage  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:24:05pm

Obama's uncle spent six months in the attic.
John McCain spent five years in the Hanoi Hilton.

Again....why should I vote for Obama?

638 DesertSage  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:25:01pm

re: #636 wolfie

WOW !

That's an old one. I learned it when I was a kid.

639 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:26:48pm

re: #613 wolfie

After 25 years in this area I have come to love the Appalachians and think of them as home.
But I still love to go out west. I was born and raised in Bolivia, and there are places in Colorado that are so similar it sends chills up my spine.

Check out the pics on my rather pathetic 7 year old website I have linked by clicking on my avatar. I'm almost certain you'll find a couple of them familiar.

640 J.D.  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:29:46pm

re: #635 wolfie

I know! I've done the same thing only from Lexington, KY to Virginia; the "scenic" route. There were little teeny tiny towns that I had never heard of before. Mouthcard, Kentucky, for instance. Is it Grundy, Virginia that has all the kudzu?

641 LeePro  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:31:25pm

Well, {beloved Lizards}...

Here I am................... and here I go!

G'nite, y'all!





/ drive by { { {HUGS} } } for everyone!

642 redc1c4  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:35:30pm

re: #615 pat

CNN just announced the Rachel Ray DD ad was pulled because some of us might mistake her for a terrorist bimbo. Yep.
/hahahahaha. We are all so stupid!


fixed that for them......

643 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:36:17pm

re: #640 J.D.

Yeah. There are quite a few places around here that brought the dang plant in to stop erosion near roads. We've got too much of it too near our house. It ate Mr. Wolf's old motorcycle.

644 DesertSage  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:36:29pm

There's just something wrong with the way Obama holds a telephone.....I just can't put my finger on it though.

645 pat  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:37:06pm

re: #628 J.D.

JD, back for a bit. You know when I was 14, everyone in my school was woken up by the fire alarm, about 11:00 PM I would guess. We were told that Kilauea just went nuts. If anyone wanted to go, get in a bus. About 80 of us went. To Halemaumau at Kilauea Iki. 2 hour plus drive. The fountain was 1,500 feet in the air. Steam coming out of the ground all around us. Incredible. Have seen many eruptions, but nothing like that. Film used in movies a lot.

646 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:40:40pm

re: #639 Bob in Breckenridge

Check out the pics on my rather pathetic 7 year old website I have linked by clicking on my avatar. I'm almost certain you'll find a couple of them familiar.

Nice! I like the view from your deck !

647 pat  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:40:45pm

re: #637 DesertSage

Sage, there is still talk that his (great ) Uncle was not in infantry. I want a follow up. And I called my Great Uncle, 'Uncle" so that is a BS criticism. And a fool like Obama who majored in International relations could easily mistake Buchenwald for Auschwitz. Because he never took geography.

648 redc1c4  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:42:17pm

re: #641 LeePro

Well, {beloved Lizards}...

Here I am................... and here I go!

G'nite, y'all!

/ drive by { { {HUGS} } } for everyone!

lucky me! i missed the daily cootie application by *that* much.... %-)

649 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:44:52pm

re: #646 wolfie

Nice! I like the view from your deck !

Shit, I thought the Frisco pics would remind you of Bolivia.

650 DesertSage  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:44:53pm

Red totally spiked the fruitcups last night.

651 LeePro  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:45:26pm

re: #648 redc1c4

lucky me! i missed the daily cootie application by *that* much.... %-)

Nope.

{*smooch}


[Lurking has its benefits]

652 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:47:58pm

re: #644 DesertSage

To be sure, that is fauxtography (a similar hoax was perpetrated on GWB). Rumor has it that this (Obama phone hoax) was floated by the Clinton camp. Lets nail him on the real issues, shall we.
/still funny, though

653 gop_patriot  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:50:06pm

re: #651 LeePro

LOL

Hi, and bye!

654 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:50:59pm

re: #648 redc1c4

lucky me! i missed the daily cootie application by *that* much.... %-)

Not me, I catch 'em as soon as I see 'em.

/I'd swim in 'girl cooties', if I could. They smell all nice and stuff.

655 DesertSage  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:51:40pm

re: #652 Slumbering Behemoth

Lets nail him on the real issues, shall we.

Oh, we shall SB. We shall.

...as long as Red doesn't spike the fruitcups anymore

656 J.D.  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:56:16pm

re: #643 wolfie

It's interesting to see what it does, kudzu, but it looks like it's bordering on out of control...ya know?

re: #645 pat

How lucky! I think it's fascinating to watch! I can't even imagine passing up the chance to see it for real...

657 gop_patriot  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:56:38pm

I linked this in spinoffs earlier today, don't know if anyone looked, but I thought it was cool. :)

The band Disturbed invited a soldier backstage before a concert. Soldier is going back to Iraq soon, if he's not already there.

658 gop_patriot  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:59:35pm

re: #656 J.D.

Kudzu is edible. Personally, I think a better use for it would be fuel, I can't imagine running out of it... There are accounts of kudzu vines growing a foot or more in ONE DAY in the summer. Save the corn for eating, burn the damn kudzu.

659 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 12:00:43am

re: #651 LeePro

Nope.

{*smooch}


[Lurking has its benefits]

EYEWOOOOOOHHHHHHHHH....... YUCK.

/me consults pharmacopeia, discovers that ETOH is preferred treatment. when taken internally in sufficient quantities, it is excreted through the pores ala Lamasil, providing a cootiecidal effect resulting in removal of current infestations and preventing reoccurance, as long as the patients BAC remains in the therapeutic range.

"CHANGE!"

660 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 12:02:17am

re: #654 Slumbering Behemoth

Not me, I catch 'em as soon as I see 'em.

/I'd swim in 'girl cooties', if I could. They smell all nice and stuff.

/me kicks SB out of the club house.....

661 J.D.  Thu, May 29, 2008 12:02:54am

re: #649 Bob in Breckenridge

Nice pictures!
So what's it say after snowmobile? I would have to change my screen resolution to see it and [yawn] I'm about ready to go take a hot bath and call it a night. I've been from the west coast to the east coast to the gulf today.
I'm mostly dead.

662 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 12:03:19am

re: #655 DesertSage

just ferment the fruit cup before consumption.....

/basic food safety

663 DesertSage  Thu, May 29, 2008 12:03:50am

'nite all

I leave you with Death Metal Puppy

664 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, May 29, 2008 12:04:30am

re: #655 DesertSage

Don't get me wrong, I like the fruitcup, but you'll never find me complaining about Red's spiking it.

/now if he could just find a way to spike the bacon...

665 wolfie  Thu, May 29, 2008 12:05:30am

re: #649 Bob in Breckenridge

Shit, I thought the Frisco pics would remind you of Bolivia.

Actually it's more like southern Colorado...the drive from Colorado Springs to Gunnison especially. The Black Canyon area. The loop down through Lake City. Even Ouray.
But only in the summer. You are surrounded by snowcaps year round in the La Paz area, but you never touch snow. Despite the 12,000+ altitude, it never snows or even freezes. Too close to the equator.
And there are no roads that go up to the snow line of the mountains.

The Frisco pictures remind me of southern Chile! That's where rich bolivianos go in summer (winter down there.whatever!)

See, if I lived in Colorado, I could live like a rich boliviana. Bolivian scenery much of the year and then a short trip to Alpine winter! (not the loooooooong trip to Chile.)

Funny thing. Even after living at 2500 ft altitude for 25+ years, the altitudes in Colorado never bother me.
I remember going up Pikes Peak about ten years ago, back when I was a heavy smoker, no less, and not feeling a damn thing.

Anyway, be grateful to be in such a beautiful state!

666 Clemente  Thu, May 29, 2008 12:06:46am

re: #658 gop_patriot

Sounds like what's really needed is a kudzu/hops hybrid suitable for brewing.

Well, at least on my planet, where I'm king!

667 J.D.  Thu, May 29, 2008 12:07:33am

re: #658 gop_patriot

Maybe they could use it in sushi. It sounds like it should be in sushi to me...

668 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 12:08:19am

re: #661 J.D.

Nice pictures!
So what's it say after snowmobile? I would have to change my screen resolution to see it and [yawn] I'm about ready to go take a hot bath and call it a night. I've been from the west coast to the east coast to the gulf today.
I'm mostly dead.

but are you Grateful?

669 J.D.  Thu, May 29, 2008 12:09:18am

re: #664 Slumbering Behemoth

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

670 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 12:12:29am

re: #664 Slumbering Behemoth

Don't get me wrong, I like the fruitcup, but you'll never find me complaining about Red's spiking it.

/now if he could just find a way to spike the bacon...

i have a way to do that..... we call them ABT's.

you take BBQ (piggy butt, brisket, what have you) and chop it fine. mix with cream cheese, herbs, spices, bbq rub, what have you, and put the result into jalapenos that have been split in half, with the seeds & veins removed. then wrap a slice of bacon around the outside and affix with a tooth pick. place in the smoker for about 2 hours or until the bacon is cooked.

yummy.

671 J.D.  Thu, May 29, 2008 12:12:43am

re: #668 redc1c4
Oh, most assuredly.
I saw them...once...

672 gop_patriot  Thu, May 29, 2008 12:13:40am

re: #666 Clemente

re: #667 J.D.

Check out all the recipes. Wow. LOL

673 J.D.  Thu, May 29, 2008 12:14:25am

I must soak my tired...everything.
Nite y'all.

674 J.D.  Thu, May 29, 2008 12:15:45am

re: #672 gop_patriot

re: #667 J.D.

Check out all the recipes. Wow. LOL

What a relief!
I'm not the world's biggest sushi fan.

Nite!

675 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, May 29, 2008 12:16:25am

re: #660 redc1c4

/me kicks SB out of the club house.....

Fine, more girl-cooties for me.

/not only do they smell all nice and stuff, but they taste good too.

676 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 12:16:43am

re: #671 J.D.

Oh, most assuredly.
I saw them...once...

i saw them only twice, but once was at Winterland.

/pretty sure i had a good time. %-)

677 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, May 29, 2008 12:22:40am

re: #670 redc1c4

:drools:

You did that on purpose. You knew I was hungry, didn't you?

So is there an actual recipe for that, or is it just an improv type of dish?

""not kidding, Red, that stuff sounds tasty

678 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 12:23:26am

re: #675 Slumbering Behemoth

Fine, more girl-cooties for me.

/not only do they smell all nice and stuff, but they taste good too.

only if you like seafood....... %-)

679 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 12:27:24am

re: #677 Slumbering Behemoth

:drools:

You did that on purpose. You knew I was hungry, didn't you?

So is there an actual recipe for that, or is it just an improv type of dish?

""not kidding, Red, that stuff sounds tasty

i'll get you a link.... but it's no joke. i made some this weekend for company, and they scarfed them right up. it *is* an improv type dish, as i've made them with shrimp, sausage, brisket & pulled pork..... just mix what you think goes, put it in the jap, wrap it with tocina, and cook low & slow....

680 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 12:34:25am

ABT's, the extended version. everything you ever wanted to know, and a few things it never occurred to you to ask.

one guy's tutorial.....

681 american jewess in jerusalem  Thu, May 29, 2008 12:39:10am

Interesting how the trails always lead to the same place.

682 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, May 29, 2008 12:51:05am

re: #679 redc1c4

A link would be much appreciated. I dig flexible dishes, but most have certain core ingredients/preparations that are key.

I have a strange desire to include bacon and/or peanut-butter in just about everything I can. Shoot, if I could find a way to fit peanut-butter ANDbacon into every dish I would.

No bullshit here, I once BBQ'ed a turkey with peanut-butter and strips of bacon slid underneath the skin. The turkey was just fine, but my twist didn't add much to it. Next time, I'm gonna stuff it with bacon & p-nut butter.

Wow, I must be hungry. I keep focusing on this food thing.

Oh, in answer to your other question: I do very much like seafood. One could say I have an obsession. ;)

683 gop_patriot  Thu, May 29, 2008 12:51:51am

re: #681 american jewess in jerusalem

To an America-hating, election-meddling socialist?

684 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 12:52:49am

re: #681 american jewess in jerusalem

Interesting how the trails always lead to the same place.

for food or for evil?.........

"no matter how much things 'change', they remain the same, as does the song."

/drink!

685 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, May 29, 2008 12:54:05am

re: #680 redc1c4

Thanks Red, both bookmarked!

686 rednaxela  Thu, May 29, 2008 12:58:33am

re: #434 rorschach

mcclellan was a miserably poor excuse for a WH press agent.

...just one more example of GWB's misguided personal loyalty.

Now that I wholeheartedly agree with (although I still don't think the Sorros thing is relevant).

687 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 12:58:41am

re: #682 Slumbering Behemoth

A link would be much appreciated. I dig flexible dishes, but most have certain core ingredients/preparations that are key.

I have a strange desire to include bacon and/or peanut-butter in just about everything I can. Shoot, if I could find a way to fit peanut-butter ANDbacon into every dish I would.

No bullshit here, I once BBQ'ed a turkey with peanut-butter and strips of bacon slid underneath the skin. The turkey was just fine, but my twist didn't add much to it. Next time, I'm gonna stuff it with bacon & p-nut butter.

Wow, I must be hungry. I keep focusing on this food thing.

Oh, in answer to your other question: I do very much like seafood. One could say I have an obsession. ;)

if G*d had meant us to eat seafood, she wouldn't have made the land animals so easy to catch.

i'm a firm believer in the 4 basic food groups, as debated here a few nights ago:

red meat
alcohol
caffeine
stress

as for the turkey, if you're really bbqing it (225-250*F) stuffing it is a bad thing, as you'll have meat in the danger zone temp wise too long.

have you considered a brine/marinade? how about frying?

email is active, if you want to take this off line, since we're likely OT, even for an ONDT....

688 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 1:01:05am

re: #686 rednaxela

Now that I wholeheartedly agree with (although I still don't think the Sorros thing is relevant).

why not? you really think he just happened to provide support for an anti-Bush diatribe just before the final election cycle?

689 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 1:06:32am

re: #685 Slumbering Behemoth

Thanks Red, both bookmarked!

that whole site has a plethora of resources. the forum can occasionally get bogged down in competition bickering and the ilk, but i've been a member since the mid-90's and the recipes/knowledge/etc are unbeatable.

i've watched people go from FNGs, to 1st competitions, to 1st wins, to regular winners, to opening their own businesses... the search function alone is invaluable.

690 Clemente  Thu, May 29, 2008 1:07:12am

re: #682 Slumbering Behemoth

Hmm...

Beer-batter and lightly deep-fry peanut butter lumps, then wrap in bacon strips, toothpick, and toss back in the deep fry until crispy. Then sell 'em at the county fair, $13.50/half-dozen...

/I'm gonna be RICH!

691 gop_patriot  Thu, May 29, 2008 1:08:00am

re: #686 rednaxela

Now that I wholeheartedly agree with (although I still don't think the Sorros thing is relevant).

How could the fact that a Soros company is publishing the tell-all memoirs of a Bush WH Press Secretary 5 months before a Presidential election NOT be relevant?

692 rednaxela  Thu, May 29, 2008 1:10:36am

re: #688 redc1c4

If that had been the objective, I think they'd have done it later, at least wait until the Dems get their nominee mess sorted out.

Look, I just don't think its that explosive. I think most people would agree with most of what is said, i.e. war badly planned, GWB badly advised, Katrina badly managed or is speculative, i.e. Rove and Libby had a discussion. So what, big deal.

Bottom line is that the guy wasn't a good press secretary, this will blow over in a few days and that will be that.

693 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 1:16:37am

re: #692 rednaxela

If that had been the objective, I think they'd have done it later, at least wait until the Dems get their nominee mess sorted out.

Look, I just don't think its that explosive. I think most people would agree with most of what is said, i.e. war badly planned, GWB badly advised, Katrina badly managed or is speculative, i.e. Rove and Libby had a discussion. So what, big deal.

Bottom line is that the guy wasn't a good press secretary, this will blow over in a few days and that will be that.

1. the war was brilliantly planned and executed in general..... what came after, not so much, but we're getting there now. if we'd gone in 91, when we had many more troops available, maybe we'd have been better off, but that's after the fact, kinda like the book itself.

2. badly advised, no argument

3. Katrina was screwed from the bottom up: the locals did jack, and it's all the Feds fault? don't go there.

694 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 1:17:53am

re: #691 gop_patriot

How could the fact that a Soros company is publishing the tell-all memoirs of a Bush WH Press Secretary 5 months before a Presidential election NOT be relevant?

especially since the OPFOR keeps trying to duct tape the RINO to Bush.

695 Stonemason  Thu, May 29, 2008 1:18:09am

re: #670 redc1c4

That sounds incredible, will be on the menu at my next BBQ

696 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 1:20:47am

re: #695 Stonemason

That sounds incredible, will be on the menu at my next BBQ

follow the links i posted later for more details/ideas.....

they go well with beer! %-)

/Change!

697 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, May 29, 2008 1:23:06am

re: #687 redc1c4

You're right about stuffing and temp. re: BBQing a turkey, I forgot about that. I've done about five so far, and have always stuffed with either apples, onions, celery, or some combo of veggies (for moisture).

I don't normally fry anything other that breakfast, I prefer to grill meat (I am no expert though!). How do you fry a whole turkey?

I have not tried a brine yet, but what little I have read makes it sound very interesting. They all sound a bit salty for me though, how do they taste?

As far as seafood goes: I do like it quite a bit, but my previous response was based on the assumption that you were using the word as a...

...anyway, I will try to shoot you an email. I've tried this once before with another Lizard with zero success, so don't get the impression that I am snubbing you or anything if it doesn't work.

698 Karridine  Thu, May 29, 2008 1:30:03am

re: #693 redc1c4

3. Katrina was screwed from the bottom up: the locals did jack, and it's all the Feds fault? don't go there.

Most accurate and concise description I've read, to-date! Good one, Redc

699 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, May 29, 2008 1:32:28am

re: #690 Clemente

Hey! I don't want money, I just want food. If it works out, send me samples.

700 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 1:34:38am

re: #697 Slumbering Behemoth

You're right about stuffing and temp. re: BBQing a turkey, I forgot about that. I've done about five so far, and have always stuffed with either apples, onions, celery, or some combo of veggies (for moisture).

I don't normally fry anything other that breakfast, I prefer to grill meat (I am no expert though!). How do you fry a whole turkey?

I have not tried a brine yet, but what little I have read makes it sound very interesting. They all sound a bit salty for me though, how do they taste?

As far as seafood goes: I do like it quite a bit, but my previous response was based on the assumption that you were using the word as a...

...anyway, I will try to shoot you an email. I've tried this once before with another Lizard with zero success, so don't get the impression that I am snubbing you or anything if it doesn't work.

you fry a turkey *very* carefully...... hot oil is not forgiving.....

i'm not a "brine" fan, since i prefer to put my salt on after i taste the food, not before. you can, however, soak the bird in low sodium liquids or inject marinades to get similar results. last time i fried a bird, i just rubbed it up and cooked it. my buddies wife made a regular turkey as a back up. mine disappeared, her's was left overs.

i made this prime rib for the same crowd...... nothing left but bones. (i leave out the salt, but that's just me)

now i'm hungry... good thing i have some fattie pieces in the fridge. %-)

701 rednaxela  Thu, May 29, 2008 1:35:09am

Look re: #693 redc1c4

I think we're on the same page here.

I used to be excited about all what this administration promised, especially in terms of small government, less taxes, strong national security, competent governance etc. What we are left with is a lot of missed opportunities, and a lot of fuckups in the GWB administration.

In fact, the only lasting good thing coming from this administration will be Roberts and Alito and even that almost got fucked up (hadn't it been for the bloggers etc who took Bush to task on the Harriet Myers fiasco).

So overall, its a pretty disappointing picture and not much to look forward to for the next 4 years, no matter who gets in.

I am beginning to think that the complete disaster of a Carter II administration would be best because instead of just bumbling along Bush or McCain style, that would provide a lot of opportunities for a fresh start in 2012.

Just my .02¢.

702 gop_patriot  Thu, May 29, 2008 1:35:30am

Anyone care to read this?

The Capitalist Threat
by George Soros

I've really never read anything he's written, and don't know much about economics. Thoughts?

/the main page of that site is a treasure trove of links. Scroll down a bit. Document links, organizations, etc.

703 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 1:37:13am

re: #698 Karridine

Most accurate and concise description I've read, to-date! Good one, Redc

i had two friends deploy there: one from just north of there, and one from here.... the stories they tell.

SNAFU, TARFU and FUBAR all at once.

plenty of blame to go around on all sides, but if the locals had at least swung at the pitch, it wouldn't have been half so bad.

704 rednaxela  Thu, May 29, 2008 1:39:00am

Btw, I don't agree with Scott that Bush brought up the whole WMD intelligence reports rationale for war because Americans wouldn't have otherwise supported the war.

I think he did it because Tony Blair wanted it that way.

More bad advice taken.

705 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, May 29, 2008 1:46:42am

re: #700 redc1c4

last time i fried a bird, i just rubbed it up and cooked it. my buddies wife made a regular turkey as a back up. mine disappeared, her's was left overs.

Good deal! Much to my surprise (and a fairly large boost to my ego as well), I have had the same kind of response to my experimental, BBQ'ed turkeys.

I can not claim mastery, though. Everything I've done in that area has been a seat-of-the-pants sort of thing. I make it up as I go along, one year doing a cola and wheat beer basting, just 'cuz it sounded good.

I really have no idea what I'm doing, and I am just as surprised as anyone else when it turns out to be good.

706 Karridine  Thu, May 29, 2008 1:52:01am

re: #703 redc1c4

As proven out by the near-INSTANT REPLAY a few weeks later, as another hurricane hit a Republican-helmed Texas city, and had almost NO problems, IIRC...

707 Karridine  Thu, May 29, 2008 1:54:06am

re: #705 Slumbering Behemoth

I really have no idea what I'm doing, and I am just as surprised as anyone else when it turns out to be good.

Moxie, Behemoth, you gots MOXIE!

708 littleoldlady  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:00:02am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --------------------->
Help yourselves!

709 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:02:55am

re: #705 Slumbering Behemoth

Good deal! Much to my surprise (and a fairly large boost to my ego as well), I have had the same kind of response to my experimental, BBQ'ed turkeys.

I can not claim mastery, though. Everything I've done in that area has been a seat-of-the-pants sort of thing. I make it up as I go along, one year doing a cola and wheat beer basting, just 'cuz it sounded good.

I really have no idea what I'm doing, and I am just as surprised as anyone else when it turns out to be good.

well, i know a little.... and i just guess the rest. %-)

BTW: junk email should be in your in-box (filter). good copy on my end 5X5........

take 3

710 gop_patriot  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:03:44am

re: #708 littleoldlady

Thanks, and hi! :)

711 littleoldlady  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:04:27am

gop! :-)

712 gop_patriot  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:05:49am

re: #711 littleoldlady

Slow thread... ;)

How are you doing today?

713 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:06:54am

re: #706 Karridine

As proven out by the near-INSTANT REPLAY a few weeks later, as another hurricane hit a Republican-helmed Texas city, and had almost NO problems, IIRC...

there was a bit more to it than that:

the recent f*ck up was on everyone's mind, the geography is different, and, as you pointed out, they were Texans.....

still, Katrina will go down in the books as how *not* to respond to a crisis on all levels. the absolute denial of the locals is not to be believed, without either a willful suspension of belief or recognizing it as an utter condemnation of "learned helplessness" and the welfare state.

/jmho, of course.

714 littleoldlady  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:08:19am

re: #712 gop_patriot

I'm okay. Trying to get motivated.

/no luck so far

How's by you? :-)

715 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:08:44am

re: #712 gop_patriot

Slow thread... ;)

How are you doing today?

low & slow is the only way to cook......

i've got cow & piggy that needs to hit the grill, now that you remind me.

/just in time for the weekend! %-)

"CHANGE!"

716 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:09:40am

re: #714 littleoldlady

I'm okay. Trying to get motivated.

/no luck so far

How's by you? :-)

/passes fermented fruit cup

try this....... %-)

717 Karridine  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:12:52am

re: #713 redc1c4

Institutionalized in the movie, "Die Hard 4 point 0"

'It took FEMA FIVE DAYS to get water to the SuperDome!"

/woops....

718 littleoldlady  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:13:48am

re: #716 redc1c4

Okay. I'll try drugs.

/why not?

;-)

'Morning, red. :-)

And the other red...rednaxela! :-)

Slumbering! :-)

Karridine! :-)

Everyone else! :-)

719 gop_patriot  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:13:54am

re: #714 littleoldlady

I'm fading, about to head to bed... can't sleep in tomorrow, hubby is working and I'll be the only breakfast-getter for the 4 year old. :)

720 gop_patriot  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:15:40am

re: #715 redc1c4

Sounds good, you need to take pictures and post them on your blog or something. A testament to your cooking prowess. :)

721 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:15:57am

re: #707 Karridine

Moxie, Behemoth, you gots MOXIE!

That, and hunger. I've improvised a lot of weird stuff in a pinch, most of it gag-worthy.

For a time, in my early 20's, I was given to adding infernal amounts of capsaicin-type ingredients to my foods. Not because I liked it that way (fire in, fire out :ouch!:), but because my equally broke room-mates seemed to eat up everything I bought.

I won that battle by proving that I was more willing than them to suffer for a meal.

/when the idea first hit me, I so enjoyed their suffering as well. It did not take long for them to learn to leave my food alone.

722 gop_patriot  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:16:33am

Well, I'm outta here. :) Hope everyone has a great Thursday morning!

'Night...

723 littleoldlady  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:16:50am

re: #719 gop_patriot

I'm thinking....bowl of cereal. ;-)

724 littleoldlady  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:19:27am

'Night, gop! :-)

725 gop_patriot  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:21:20am

re: #721 Slumbering Behemoth

LOL! Goodnight, Slumbering. :)

re: #723 littleoldlady

Yep, he's finally learned to like cereal with milk. It's been dry cereal with a glass of milk for him for as long as he's eaten big people food. ;)

726 littleoldlady  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:21:50am

CARL! :-)

If you can hear me...what's going on over there?!

/did they throw the bum out yet?

727 yochanan  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:21:54am

re: #723 littleoldlady

I'm thinking....bowl of cereal. ;-)

WHAT NO FRUITCUP?

728 littleoldlady  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:25:56am

re: #727 yochanan

yochanan! :-)

Bon appetit!

729 yochanan  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:26:49am

re: #728 littleoldlady

THANK YOU

730 Ledger1  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:27:26am

This stinks!

Everyone knows WaPo is a NYT publication which pumps extreme leftists.

[Editor at Large] Osnos spent nearly twenty years at The Washington Post, where he was variously Indochina Bureau Chief, Moscow Correspondent... -The Century Foundation

Good Grief, Soros has bought-off another wonk to bash Bush:

[New York Department of State]

Perseus, LLC
Perseus-Soros Biopharmaceutical Fund, LP
Perseus-Soros Biopharmaceutical Investors, LP
Perseus-Soros Management, LLC

So, it is no under-statement to call it “The Soros-McClellan Connection.”

I have No Respect for McClellan and I will not be buying his book!

731 yochanan  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:28:03am

OLMERT is like a fish after three days it starts to stink.

732 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:29:15am

re: #717 Karridine

Institutionalized in the movie, "Die Hard 4 point 0"

/woops....

right up their with the anti-gun/NRA messages in the earlier episodes of this series..... much as i like John, i hate the scriptwriters and their "message', and therefore i don't see the movies.......

/sidebar
walked out in the front the other day, and there was a grip truck with a variety of movie types rigging cameras etc on it. since we hadn't recieved a notice of filming, i went over to inquire WTF?

retired cop riding shotgun said they were using the street 'cause it was quiet. i asked why they didn't use where they had a permit. he got testy, but by then they were more or less ready. they then moved over in front of my house to balance the cameras, etc.... when they were just about done i asked the crew if they could just film in Canada next time, and not block up my AO. a very touchy subject here. (the filming, not bothering locals: we're supposed to be grateful.)

predictably, they got huffy, and then one ass hat got, he thought, very witty, and said "that's not very American of you." (i fly the Flag, the POW/MIA flag and have a blue star in my window: in my AO, i stand out)

they all STFU when i said it was at least as American as lion for lambs, valley of elah, rendition, etc..... and suggested they make their anti-American crap somewhere other than America.

733 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:31:29am

re: #720 gop_patriot

Sounds good, you need to take pictures and post them on your blog or something. A testament to your cooking prowess. :)

my waist is testament enough, but know one wants to see that.....

my favorite part of a get together is when the main meal is served and all the conversations just die off as people chow down.

that's when you know you've done good.

deeds, not words.

734 itsspideyman  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:36:56am

re: #147 Dave the.....

If McCain is Bush's third term, then Obama is Carter's second. Choose which one you'd rather have.

735 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:40:25am

in case i haven't killed this thread, let me introduce the concept of "fatties"

you take your basic chub of uncooked sausage: Jimmy Dean, Farmer John, generic Italian, what have you, and roll it in the rub of your choice.

throw it on the smoker until it gets about 165* or so, then pull, and slice/chop up for snacks, with or without sauce.

Jimmy Dean Sage w*rks really well for this, IMHO. %-)

736 Stonemason  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:41:38am

re: #733 redc1c4

seconds..that is how I know I hit one out of the park, when everyone eats more than one!

737 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:42:29am

re: #734 itsspideyman

If McCain is Bush's third term, then Obama is Carter's second. Choose which one you'd rather have.

Mc Lame is Bush Lite.... Obama is Carter on steroids.

/can i get "none of the above" on the menu?

738 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:45:28am

re: #736 Stonemason

seconds..that is how I know I hit one out of the park, when everyone eats more than one!

i run into the problem of serving so many snack options that people aren't always hungry when dinner hits......

but then the smell and the "ooh... ahh... you have to try this..." drags them right back. %-)

739 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:51:52am

early, tired.................

L8r, y'all.

"Change!"

740 littleoldlady  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:53:36am

Nice. He leaves and the rest of us are just...hungry!

741 Stonemason  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:58:33am

re: #738 redc1c4

Exactly...I love the little things, 'shrooms, shrimp...I am gonna make some of those ABT's for sure!

742 Stonemason  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:59:21am

re: #740 littleoldlady

Mornin' Lil' One...Gonna be a great day here in Southeastern PA!

743 littleoldlady  Thu, May 29, 2008 3:03:23am

Stonemason! :-)

Nice already - except for the temps in the 40's right now.

/think I'll hold off on the gardening for a few hours...

Are you bringing us dinner?

744 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, May 29, 2008 3:06:27am

re: #709 redc1c4

5X5........

Heh, it did work. I'm surprised. I got it, and quickly recognized your characteristic way of spelling...umm...'occupational duties'.

I am a suspicious and secretive sort of Lizard, if you haven't already guessed. Paranoid, really. I am embarrassed to ask this, I almost feel like it is offensive to ask, but would you keep that contact info under your hat? I can guarantee that I'll do the same.

At any rate, thanks for all the info. I will check it out tomorrow. Right now, I am sho'nuff this [] close to being terminally cross-eyed and not much fer readin' (my typin' will be for shite soon as well).

"G'nite Lizards!" is probably what I should say next.

P.S., I do not capitalize out of ceremony, I do so out of respect. All Lizards get the Big Letters from me until they insist otherwise.

745 yochanan  Thu, May 29, 2008 3:12:42am

re: #658 gop_patriot

Kudzu is edible. Personally, I think a better use for it would be fuel, I can't imagine running out of it... There are accounts of kudzu vines growing a foot or more in ONE DAY in the summer. Save the corn for eating, burn the damn kudzu.

KUDZU IS A YANKEE PLANT TO TAKE OVER THE SOUTH

746 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, May 29, 2008 3:13:40am

Good morning, Lizards.

747 yochanan  Thu, May 29, 2008 3:18:54am

re: #703 redc1c4

i had two friends deploy there: one from just north of there, and one from here.... the stories they tell.

SNAFU, TARFU and FUBAR all at once.

plenty of blame to go around on all sides, but if the locals had at least swung at the pitch, it wouldn't have been half so bad.

COMPARE MISSISSIPPI REACTION TO N.O.

748 littleoldlady  Thu, May 29, 2008 3:19:25am

goddess! :-)

749 Stonemason  Thu, May 29, 2008 3:21:05am

re: #743 littleoldlady

If I get up early enough this afternoon...well, after the Little League games and my own co-ed soft ball game and...aww heck, looks like McDonalds again!

750 littleoldlady  Thu, May 29, 2008 3:23:02am

re: #749 Stonemason

So I'm making YOU dinner. ;-)

/lessee...it must include bacon
//I guess that means shrimp lejon!

751 yma o hyd  Thu, May 29, 2008 3:28:46am

re: #620 wolfie

Now don't go get technical on us! We call them mountains.

Did you ever see an obscure little movie called The Man Who Went Up a Hill and Came Down a Mountain? It's based on a true story about a Welsh town that banded together to fight the reclassification of their local "mountain" as a "hill." Very funny and moving.

Aahhhh!
It was a lovely film - with Hugh grant in it - and it was actually the other way round: the villagers wanted their hill to be classified as a mountain ...

(Quick drive-by, Lizards - BBL!)

752 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 29, 2008 3:32:12am

Mornin' all. Got up to find nothing in the house for my breakfast. Grumble, grumble, grumble.

Here kitty ... heeeeere kitty ....

753 jmwcctx  Thu, May 29, 2008 3:38:47am

I'm surprised that even some Lizards have finally caved to the "WMD Myth." Listen, WMD was the focus of the press--not President Bush or his administration. It was almost the sole focus of Europeans--not the Bush Administration. Bush's speech at the AEI in February, 2003, was typical of his speeches concerning Iraq. You'll find references to WMD, sure--but the real focus of the President is changing the Middle East for future generations. Liberals didn't find freedom, liberty, or democracy particularly compelling reasons to invade Iraq, so they glommed onto the one reason they felt would justify regime change and then projected their own preoccupation with WMD back onto the President when they became disenchanted. Just to remind you:

[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

754 JammieWearingFool  Thu, May 29, 2008 3:38:51am

Was listening to someone or reading something yesterday where it was suggested Soros was likely the money behind the McLellan book. No surprise. But now that the media has had a full-on orgasm for 24 hours, that'll be buried in search of the larger truth...

755 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 29, 2008 3:40:41am

From Daniel Henninger's column in today's WSJ:

John McCain is not bound by the rules of the Democratic primaries. He has an option not available to Hillary Clinton, John Edwards or Dennis Kucinich: Pull away the curtain of eloquence, and what the politics of Barack Obama reveal is a very standard liberal, at best.

His stated view of how to relieve the plight of young black men in failing school is what the teachers unions have had on offer for 20 years.

In July 2007 remarks on selecting judges, reprinted yesterday in the New York Times, Obama conveyed a philosophy grounded in a remarkably explicit obsession with class and incomes.

To the entitlement bombs of Social Security and Medicare, he would add expansions of Medicaid and subsidies to some businesses for health-care costs.

His desire to raise the cap on Social Security taxes will hit the $100,000 two-income families who applauded Hillary's appeal on college debt.

My friends, Sen. Obama is very eloquent, but he is also going to be very, very expensive. It may turn out that an angry, inflation-pressed America just wants to vote for an aura. Feel free, so to speak. John McCain's job will be to explain the price of voting for eloquence.

756 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 29, 2008 3:52:26am

Where'd everybody go?

757 littleoldlady  Thu, May 29, 2008 3:54:29am

i can haz yr breakfast?

758 ethanxxx  Thu, May 29, 2008 3:56:11am

Good Morning Everyone.

759 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, May 29, 2008 4:00:18am

Time for me to be off, dear Lizards. Have a great day.

But first:

His stated view of how to relieve the plight of young black men in failing school is what the teachers unions have had on offer for 20 years.

The federal government has no constitutional dog in the education fight. Students fail in schools because A. The teachers are bad/apathetic/ and/or B. The students don't do what they're supposed to do.

Money can help implement solutions, but districts have to be able to get rid of bad teachers. The NEA should take the lead to police itself.

Secondly, if the feds insist on sticking their noses in education, the should build military discipline boarding schools out in the middle of nowhere for those students who fail. Until the consequences hit them instead of the schools, they have little motivation to learn.

I'm in a hurry and probably left huge holes in this argument, but I hope my general idea is clear.

760 littleoldlady  Thu, May 29, 2008 4:03:08am

re: #759 goddessoftheclassroom

Parents. You left out the parents. :-)

761 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 29, 2008 4:03:55am

re: #759 goddessoftheclassroom

The federal government needs to get out of the education business, that's for sure.

And there are national standards for education; there always have been. They are called "college entrance requirements" and "what you need to know to get a job."

762 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 29, 2008 4:04:14am

re: #760 littleoldlady

Parents. You left out the parents. :-)

If they don't care, it's a loooooong row to hoe.

763 friarstale  Thu, May 29, 2008 4:06:48am

Free Mark Steyn!
The Canadian Human Rights Commission Ad Campaign (Satiric Poem, extended Director's Cut)
[Link: cruxy.com...]

764 littleoldlady  Thu, May 29, 2008 4:09:03am

re: #762 Lucius Septimius

Yup.

/not picking on one ethnic group; this just happens to be a great rant by one of my favorite people.

765 ethanxxx  Thu, May 29, 2008 4:09:42am

Islamic Hatred in the Heartland Tour comes to Ohio State University today, starring one of Radical Islam's brightest rising stars, Sheikh Khalid Yasin. So if you're in the area, bring the kids, or screaming babies, or anything else that might disrupt this hysterical self righteous carpet chewing Muppet with S**t for brains from spitting out his message of hate and bigotry.

Khalid Yasin

766 godfrey  Thu, May 29, 2008 4:11:42am

Good morning, lizards. What's the topic? Govmint education?

767 ethanxxx  Thu, May 29, 2008 4:17:06am

re: #766 godfrey

Good morning, lizards. What's the topic? Govmint education?

I think they're all asleep. Aren't they cute? All bundled-up with their little tails sticking out of the blankets.

768 godfrey  Thu, May 29, 2008 4:17:59am

Must be all the hard livin'.

769 godfrey  Thu, May 29, 2008 4:19:01am
770 Lucius Septimius  Thu, May 29, 2008 4:21:14am
771 Widow'smight  Thu, May 29, 2008 4:26:28am

re: #764 littleoldlady

Was talking with my wife's friend's nephew on Monday. He was doing the White Boy/Ghetto look/talk with me and explaining to me how there was no jobs around where I live. He then says, look around, there are lots of nice houses here, but nobody has a job.

I thought I was talking to Marvin the Martian. He also did the Iraq war for Oil thing, and the higher the price of gas, the more the Gubmint makes. No concept of economics and market forces, but lots of moon-on.org.

Now I know why I love my wife and kids

772 godfrey  Thu, May 29, 2008 4:26:58am

That Soros sure has it in for the Bush family, doesn't he?

773 ethanxxx  Thu, May 29, 2008 4:28:42am

re: #769 godfrey

Great picture of George Bush and a graduate from the Air Force Academy, from the Telegraph page you linked.

GRADUATION

774 godfrey  Thu, May 29, 2008 4:29:26am

re: #771 Widow'smight

Tell him to set up a lemonade stand. For starters. Then take a 30% cut for letting him use the sidewalk in front of your house, providing security, and patting him on the shoulder if the business goes under.

775 godfrey  Thu, May 29, 2008 4:30:22am

re: #773 ethanxxx

I love it. That's the kind of photo that drives an intellectuel absolutely crazy.

776 ethanxxx  Thu, May 29, 2008 4:33:19am

re: #775 godfrey

I bet of all the memories that Cadet has of his life at the Academy... That will be the one that he remembers and talks about the most.

777 godfrey  Thu, May 29, 2008 4:33:27am

re: #771 Widow'smight

So much of that stuff from kids that young can be classified as "trying on the adult posture," but it's common for them to mistake cynicism for maturity.

778 rightside  Thu, May 29, 2008 4:35:22am

Morning Lizards!

779 godfrey  Thu, May 29, 2008 4:35:38am

re: #776 ethanxxx

It will be in a frame on the wall of every apartment he lives in until he gets married and has to keep it in the "man cave" with the weights.

780 Karridine  Thu, May 29, 2008 4:35:39am

re: #721 Slumbering Behemoth

In a similar, near-stone-broke vein, SB, I recall one 'meatloaf' that my roomie and I concocted out of canned tuna, dried liver-powder and oatmeal.

Glurk!

It 'fed' us for 3 days (catsup day, mustard day, gag-it-down-as-it-is day) and we threw the rest away! Woof...

781 godfrey  Thu, May 29, 2008 4:35:55am

re: #778 rightside

Good morning, rightside! Quiet morning here.

782 littleoldlady  Thu, May 29, 2008 4:36:02am

re: #771 Widow'smight

It's pretty comical when the suburban kids around here "do ghetto", it must be hilarious when they do it in the country!

Gee, how did all those "nice houses" get there? Plopped down from Mars?

I don't know about your neighborhood, but over here at least 50% of the retailers/restaurants are looking to hire. Sure, they're $7.15/hr jobs, but if that's not good enough, do like my kid: GET TWO.

783 tapeworm  Thu, May 29, 2008 4:38:36am

HOPE - CHANGE - SOROS

784 ethanxxx  Thu, May 29, 2008 4:39:38am

re: #778 rightside

Mornin' Rightside!

785 pingjockey  Thu, May 29, 2008 4:40:11am

Morning all, from the finally unfrozen Northwest! End of May and spring has finally sprung with a vengance. Yaaaay.

786 rightside  Thu, May 29, 2008 4:40:48am

re: #781 godfrey

Morning godfrey, seems like it!

re: #784 ethanxxx

Morning ethanxxx!

787 godfrey  Thu, May 29, 2008 4:41:47am

re: #782 littleoldlady

They could get more if they work construction or in a steel mill. I did summers in a steel mill at $18/hr plus time and a half and overtime. If you double up, you take home obviously a lot more.

788 littleoldlady  Thu, May 29, 2008 4:50:50am

re: #787 godfrey

Those jobs are little harder to get these days.

My kid's job #1 is lifeguarding at a retirement community. She sits there for 6 hours @ $9/hr so that the 5 people who show up are covered. Works out great because she's taking two summer courses and she'll have plenty of time to get her reading done when there's no one at the pool. The other job is at TJMaxx - minimum wage, but she makes it up by fulling using the employee discount to feed her clothes habit.

MNT is a bad combination of lazy and greedy. This year greedy won out. ;-)

789 Widow'smight  Thu, May 29, 2008 4:52:00am

re: #774 godfrey

Any Lemonade stand at my house would have to go under, I live in the country. He also started on Walmart, saying "People didn't use to buy the cheapest stuff around, they cared about the small guy."

Oh my, yep I remember how my parents burned money when I was a kid.

790 rightside  Thu, May 29, 2008 4:54:25am

Off to teach, bbl.

791 littleoldlady  Thu, May 29, 2008 4:54:28am

re: #789 Widow'smight

S&H green stamps!

/if not for those we woulda had nuttin'! ;-)

792 Widow'smight  Thu, May 29, 2008 4:58:01am

re: #782 littleoldlady


He was shocked when I told him anyone in this country could start a small business and make a good living. He then said "How am I going to compete with Walmart and Home Depot?"

Geez, you hardly ever see landscaping, painting, plumbing contractors around.

My 19 year old is working at Dorney Park this summer in a Gift shop. She really enjoys it. Next summer, she plans on doing an internship in Pittsburgh, I'll be sad.

793 Widow'smight  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:01:53am

re: #791 littleoldlady


My mom and dad had to budget for their stamps, we never ate out and my grandmother made many of our clothes. After we moved from near Altoona to Ephrata and my parents were both teachers, it slowly got better.

Most people are not in good financial shape until their 40's or so.

Maybe that's why I don't mind driving my old 94 blazer around, although the gas prices .....

794 littleoldlady  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:02:26am

re: #792 Widow'smight

Geez, you hardly ever see landscaping, painting, plumbing contractors around.

Yeah, I forgot. She's also designing jewelry to make and sell.

Anyway, before my daughter's industriousness puts ME to shame, I'd better get to work. ;-)

Good day, ALL!™

795 Widow'smight  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:11:40am

I must get mini-mom on the bus, have a great day lady

796 doriangrey  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:15:06am

Good morning Lizards.....

797 tfc3rid  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:22:36am

Big shocker that Soros's hands are all over this, or so it seems... Follow the money...

This whole thing stinks big time... As for the book, who the hell cares... It's history... If people think that leaving Saddam in power was the best thing to do, then tell that to the people on his hit list...

McClelland, eh, whatever... Here is something I thought about though... Since he didn't say that the White House was behind 9/11, does that mean the troofers can go away and die now?

798 doriangrey  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:30:07am

re: #797 tfc3rid

McClelland, eh, whatever... Here is something I thought about though... Since he didn't say that the White House was behind 9/11, does that mean the troofers can go away and die now?

No, the troofers will just claim that the evil Booosh threatened McClelland's life were he were to reveal the evil Booosh's involvement in 9/11...

799 DistantThunder  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:30:23am

I knew there had to be more to the little Scottie story - more whining - but ask people how the administration "spun" mass graves and rape rooms.

Saddam's Mass graves filled with pregnant women, children and mothers?

Anyone remember the 700 oil wells Saddam set on fire in Kwuait? Surely, the left hates someone who hurts the environment.

800 Angry Oriole  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:33:13am

Guys, Perseus Books has published a lot of good non-partisan and conservative books.

They may tilt left (but not nearly as much as most publishing outfits).

In fact, they've recently published lots of books by people like Christopher Hitchens, Max Boot, Hernando de Soto, Richard Brookhiser, Michael Novak, and more.

I don't know if Soros had anything to do with the McClellan book in particular, but Perseus in general is not some puppet outfit.

801 seekeroftruth  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:41:13am

re: #800 Angry Oriole

Take some time and read what Charles posted and the "related to the post" links. There's a lot of information there about Soros's money & the publisher - Peter Osnos & Public Affair Books that you missed.

802 Dustyvet  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:42:55am

re: #745 yochanan

KUDZU IS A YANKEE PLANT TO TAKE OVER THE SOUTH

Yeah that great horror/sci film of the late 70's, "The Kudzu that ate Jimmy Carter"...cult classic!

803 Sunlight  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:43:16am

OT They're at it again! And not just Israelis, but Jews in general! Stay away from UK universities until they fix this situation. They haven't yet after several years of this crap.
UK union encourages Israeli academia boyocott

Anti-boycott activists say the motion demands that Jewish and Israeli academics explain their politics as a precondition to normal academic contact.

"If Jewish and Israeli academics support the UCU's view of the conflict, they will be protected from further action; if they are against it or noncommittal, then they may be considered unsuitable for continued association," said Ronnie Fraser, UCU member and director of Academic Friends of Israel.

"It beggars belief that such a blatant 'McCarthyite' demand - which clearly is discriminatory, anti-Semitic and in clear violation of the UK Race Relations act - is allowed to be published and debated by a union that prides itself on supporting academic freedom and according to its rules 'promotes equality for all' and actively opposes 'all forms of harassment, prejudice and unfair discrimination,'" he added.

805 scannit  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:44:39am

I checked out Perseus in Wikipedia, basically he is a mythical Greek hero who slays monsters.. I wonder if Soros sees himself as Perseus and that the US of A is the monster, especially GW?
For your reading pleasure..

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

806 realwest  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:48:14am

Good morning all Y'all - from a coolish (57 degrees, going up to 76 degrees) muggy and overcast Charlotte!
How is everyone this fine morning?

807 pingjockey  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:49:08am

re: #806 realwest
Jes' fine as the hair on a frogs butt. How's RW this am?

808 doriangrey  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:51:16am

re: #806 realwest

Good morning all Y'all - from a coolish (57 degrees, going up to 76 degrees) muggy and overcast Charlotte!
How is everyone this fine morning?

Good morning realwest, I hope you are feeling well this morning. Out here on the left coast things are looking mighty fine, a clear blue sky awaits me as a prepare to head off to work. Awww the horrors of driving a Corvette 37 miles through winding rural highways....

809 abolitionist  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:51:21am

re: #805 scannit

Several hundred comments ago, I went researching Perseus. That's an interesting idea.

Good morning lizards.

810 doriangrey  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:51:44am

re: #807 pingjockey

Jes' fine as the hair on a frogs butt. How's RW this am?

Good morning ping....

811 pingjockey  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:52:18am

WTF is going on in our schools? Some teacher goes on a tirade against a 6 yr old special needs kid, then has the class vote him of the "island"? WTF are they teaching in college to teach our teachers? Most teachers I know are absolutely great. Maybe cause I am out here in the sticks and we get a better quality? I don't know.

812 realwest  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:52:28am

Wow - we're on the same thread we were on when I went to bed earlier this morning! LOL!

Ari Fliesher (sp?) "Scotty's" former boss as WH Press Spokesman was just on Fox and said he felt sad for Scotty, that a great deal of what Scotty wrote "simply wasn't true" and that Scotty is enjoying being the "friend du jour" of liberals who will drop him as soon as he's no longer useful to the Left. Under some very light weight questioning, Ari said, basically, who's EVER gonna hire Scot again for anything? How could anyone trust someone who has done a hit piece on his boss?
Great interview with Ari (as long as Ari was doing the talking).

813 sparrowlake  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:52:43am

re: #800 Angry Oriole

Perseus in general is not some puppet outfit.

That is completely besides the point.
The issue is whether the publisher directly or indirectly influenced the content of the book by improper means.

814 pingjockey  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:53:24am

re: #810 doriangrey
Mornin' DG. THe better half want to take my other baby for a ride Saturday, OMG!

815 abolitionist  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:59:10am

re: #811 pingjockey

WTF is going on in our schools? Some teacher goes on a tirade against a 6 yr old special needs kid, then has the class vote him of the "island"? WTF are they teaching in college to teach our teachers? Most teachers I know are absolutely great. Maybe cause I am out here in the sticks and we get a better quality? I don't know.

Can you offer some more info?

The ancient Greeks had a tradition whereby the citizenry, by popular vote, could exile anyone for a period of ten years --sort of a reverse-popularity contest.

816 doriangrey  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:00:17am

re: #814 pingjockey

Mornin' DG. THe better half want to take my other baby for a ride Saturday, OMG!

Oh my........................ And you said?

817 ethanxxx  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:01:02am

Here's a good example of this Nazi Collaborator's mind set. Taken from a speech SoreAss gave in 2004.

"I think that the picture of torture in Abu Ghraib, in Saddam's prison, was the moment of truth for us,...I think that those pictures hit us in the same way as the terrorist attack itself, not quite with the same force because in the terrorist attack we were the victims. In the pictures we were the perpetrators, others were the victims. But there is, I'm afraid, a direct connection between those two events, because the way President Bush conducted the war on terror converted us from victims into perpetrators."

So putting underwear and a dog collar on some terrorist is like killing 3,000 people to this worthless sack of S**t? This prick shouldn't be allowed on American soil.

818 pingjockey  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:01:28am

Later all, have to go damn near to Canada today to look at the electrical system for a pool. From Wenatchee to Oroville is like driving to moonbat NW(Seattle)! You Lizards in and around Omaha look out. High risk tornado warnings put out by NWS.

819 pingjockey  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:02:00am

re: #815 abolitionist
Fox news just now. Somewhere in Fla.

820 pingjockey  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:03:27am

re: #816 doriangrey
What do you think? It is a helluva lot heavier than her little Honda but she has ridden it. They are both insured! God forbid. At least it isn't Memorial Day weekend.

821 pingjockey  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:03:52am

Really gotta go. Bye all.

822 doriangrey  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:04:29am

re: #815 abolitionist

Can you offer some more info?

The ancient Greeks had a tradition whereby the citizenry, by popular vote, could exile anyone for a period of ten years --sort of a reverse-popularity contest.

Oh but you are not suppose to manipulate kindergarten students into doing or behaving in a democratic manner... Makes for terrible anti-socialist habits that could be very difficult to brainwash out of them in later life... Besides think of the astigmatism that that poor child voted out of class will have to live with, imagine being told that being a highly disruptive individual even at age 6 is unacceptable behavior... Oh that will just never ever do.......

823 abolitionist  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:04:43am

re: #819 pingjockey

Thanks. Have a safe trip.

824 loppyd  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:04:43am

Good Morning Lizard Nation!

What's the over/under on how long it will take for Scott McClellan to be hired by MSNBC as an analyst for the presidential election?

825 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:05:50am

re: #35 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Does the fact that Soros has not met an "unfortunate accident" prove anything? I think it does.

Read "The Shadow Party"

Wouldn't do any good to get rid of Soros. His organizations like a hydra.

826 Richard Romano  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:06:47am

This book is a shameless hatchet job -- McClellan will be nothing more than a footnote (if that) in history, while President Bush will be regarded very highly in the years to come.

Enjoy your 15 minutes of fame, Scott. Once they're gone, you'll need to look in the mirror, reassess your conscience and see you lost a great many friends and gained a legion of liars who couldn't care less about truth.

827 doriangrey  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:07:23am

Later all, must head off to work, somebody has to make sure the democrats have something to steal from those who actually you know, work for a living...

828 loppyd  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:09:04am

Speaking of Rove....

Obama's Revisionist History

The ending two paragraphs:

The list goes on. Mr. Obama's problem is a campaign that's personality-driven rather than idea-driven. Thus incidents calling into question his persona and character can have especially devastating consequences.

Stripped of his mystique as a different kind of office seeker, he could become just another liberal politician – only one who parses, evades, dissembles and condescends. That narrative is beginning to take hold. If those impressions harden into firm judgments, Mr. Obama will have a very difficult time in November.

829 Endangered in MASS  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:09:58am

re: #824 loppyd

His first TV apearence is going to be on Olberman. Suplize!

What the hell is the matter with the Sox. I am kinda glad they were out west so I didn't see the sucklyness.

Wakefield allows one run in a complete game and loses. Gaaack

830 realwest  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:10:43am

Hey y'all - especially dorian and ping - sorry I'm so late getting back to you, but Microsoft didn't like me closing down my computer twice in a row without downloading some unspecified updates, but has now downloaded them for me and I gotta restart my computer!
Sonsofbitches!
See y'all in a few!

831 abolitionist  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:11:27am

re: #822 doriangrey

My guess was close. Here's the story:
Florida Teacher Allegedly Lets Kindergarteners Kick Autistic Boy Out of Class in 'Survivor'-Like Vote

Hundreds of parents of autistic children are signing an online petition to get Florida teacher Wendy Portillo fired for her alleged tactics toward a 5-year-old boy that mirror the reality show “Survivor.”

Morningside Elementary School in Port St. Lucie, Fla., alerted Melissa Barton this year that her son, Alex, suffers from a high-functioning form of autism called Asperger's Syndrome, FOX 29 reported.

Barton claims that Alex was punished for symptoms of his disability, such as humming and eating his homework. She says Portillo went too far last week when she kicked Alex out of class, and then allowed the other students to vote on whether he should be allowed back in.
[snip]

832 ethanxxx  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:12:59am

I posted this picture early this morning, it's worth a second look. It's a photo of George Bush congratulating a Graduate of the United States Air Force Academy yesterday.
I Love This Guy!... In a macho heterosexual way of course.

Congratulations Graduate!

833 sparrowlake  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:15:17am

re: #826 Richard Romano

Enjoy your 15 minutes of fame, Scott. Once they're gone, you'll need to look in the mirror, reassess your conscience and see you lost a great many friends and gained a legion of liars who couldn't care less about truth.

Yes, and he will also enjoy his share of the royalties and appearance fees. And when his pimps have finished marketing his body and soul he will be discarded like a used-up old whore.

834 loppyd  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:15:20am

Rachel Ray keffiyeh story on local Boston news last night....

Some good reaction from talk show host Jay Severin and of course a moonbat political science professor from Bentley College.

835 loppyd  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:18:42am

re: #829 Endangered in MASS

His first TV apearence is going to be on Olberman. Suplize!

What the hell is the matter with the Sox. I am kinda glad they were out west so I didn't see the sucklyness.

Wakefield allows one run in a complete game and loses. Gaaack

He was on Today this morning....you know the "news" division of NBC. LOL

The Olberdink has probably had to consult his doctor for an erection lasting longer than four hours at the prospect of his interview.

As for the Sox, I too am grateful that they have been G.A. while I sleep soundly.

836 sparrowlake  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:20:24am

re: #835 loppyd

The Olberdink has probably had to consult his doctor for an erection lasting longer than four hours at the prospect of his interview.

ROTFL

837 ishabibble  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:21:53am

re: #267 NY Nana

I can't remember the original family surname, but the father changed it to Soros during the nazi takeover of Hungary, as they were Jews. To me? They were a disgrace...shandas...there have been stories re collaboration.

I saw a 60 Minutes interview many yrs. ago with Soros featured. At the time, I did not know who he was, nor did most people. There was an old photo shown of teen Soros wearing a Nazi collaborator uniform, short pants and kerchief kind of thing. His father was the collaborator in chief, and teen Soros was his helper. I remember that he said he became an atheist during that time. It was a powerful interview, I wish I could find it and post it. Very powerful insight into the man. I came away with the impression of a very bad man who happened to be very rich.

838 realwest  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:22:11am

Well - for better or worse - I be back! Thank you VERY much Microsoft!
So again I say, how are all y'all doing today?

839 loppyd  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:22:20am

re: #832 ethanxxx

I posted this picture early this morning, it's worth a second look. It's a photo of George Bush congratulating a Graduate of the United States Air Force Academy yesterday.
I Love This Guy!... In a macho heterosexual way of course.

Congratulations Graduate!

I had the great thrill and honor of attending a rally for President Bush during the '04 campaign. I even got to shake his hand....well, actually he grabbed the tips of my fingers, but I'll take it!

It was an amazing experience. I haven't agreed with everything that has taken place during his second term (mostly immigration) but I have never faltered in my belief that he is a good man with a loving heart and has our country's security and best interests in mind.

840 madisonsfriend  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:22:31am

re: #831 abolitionist
As the mother of a child(now an adult) with a disability, I know how bad it was when kids weren't nice to him- but to think a teacher would do something like this. Some people shouldn't teach- I thought about it, student taught and then realized I didn't have the patience to be a good elementary school teacher. However,compared to this person, I am a living saint.

841 loppyd  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:23:16am

re: #838 {realwest}

Well - for better or worse - I be back! Thank you VERY much Microsoft!
So again I say, how are all y'all doing today?

Good Morning, handsome!

Hanging in there.

How's by you?

842 madisonsfriend  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:24:04am

re: #834 loppyd

made the local radio news in DC this morning

843 jcm  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:24:23am

Seattle Central Committee College is Moonbat Central in Seattle. WTO in '99 was in large part based there, frequent protests originate there.

Student threatens mass violence

SEATTLE – A 21-year-old student threatened "mass violence" at Seattle Central Community College.

College officials learned of this threat Tuesday and called Seattle Police.

Police moved in and arrested him in the school's cafeteria Wednesday morning, and now the video of his arrest is on the Internet.

Some witnesses aren't happy with the way the arrest went down and they are using the Internet to spread the video.

Darrin Hoop was handing out flyers for the socialist party and saw police officers milling about.

"They basically grabbed him and went tumbling down the steps," he described. "One of the cops is on top of him with his knee in his back."

I don't see any pummeling, I see 3 officers using good technique to control a potentially dangerous suspect.

Imagine the howls of officers had used a soft approach the the guy had lethal intents and got several rounds off.

F'in moonbats.

844 realwest  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:27:08am

re: #841 {loppyd} Hey goodlooking! I'm doing ok, just pissed off at Microsoft, though. Every damn time I use one of their updates it screws up my computer somehow.
So I DON'T hit on the turn off computer and ms will download updates to your computer, just hit turnoff without downloading updates.
Apparently Bill Gates DOES read his mail, and MS decided to download updates while I was on the computer! Sneakly s.o.b.'s! LOL!
How's things with you? And btw, I loved your line about Olberwhathisname and the four hour erection! LOL!

845 ethanxxx  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:27:47am

Olberman uses the Dunkin' Donut story as a opportunity to call Conservatives, "Jihadists". I love watching this Little Butt-Pirate increase the size of his bleeding ulcer.

Olberman. I'm important, listen to me!

846 loppyd  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:28:08am

re: #842 madisonsfriend

made the local radio news in DC this morning

Where Dunks is a MA company it has gotten a lot of play here....

847 ethanxxx  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:28:30am

re: #838 realwest

Mornin' RW. Should be a prettier day today.

848 realwest  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:29:49am

re: #845 ethanxxx Good morning my friend! Why does thou listen to him anyway? I mean that's gotta be as or more painful than listening to Al Gore!

849 loppyd  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:30:16am

re: #845 ethanxxx

Olberman uses the Dunkin' Donut story as a opportunity to call Conservatives, "Jihadists". I love watching this Little Butt-Pirate increase the size of his bleeding ulcer.

Olberman. I'm important, listen to me!

Some day he will fall from glory and I for one will be rejoicing.

850 Lively  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:30:19am

re: #833 sparrowlake

Yes, and he will also enjoy his share of the royalties and appearance fees. And when his pimps have finished marketing his body and soul he will be discarded like a used-up old whore.

Yes, I agree. Scott thinks the media is his friend because he is now saying the media's talking points.

But, poor Scott. They will always hate you deep down because you are a Republican. No book can change that.

851 realwest  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:31:00am

re: #847 ethanxxxLet us hope so! Cause it's really crappy here now!
Is the Sun out where you are?

852 yesandno  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:31:03am

I would really like to congratulate John Williams for this outstanding find (And for those wonderful movie songs as well)....


However, he is just a member of the blogosphere and therefore not qualified to comment on the news, to report the news, to make up the news. It takes a real journalist....like Mike Barnicle....to tell us the real truth.

A real journalist tells the truth all the time....read his work and then assume the opposite is true. See how easy it is to navigate the MSM!

Soros is the picture you find in the communist dictionary next to the world capitalism. It is this type of bastard capitalist, with no real regard for anything and who makes money not on labor, but on gambling on the lives and wealth of others that gives capitalism a bad name. And then he has the audacity to claim capitalists are all bad because he assumes they are all like him. Hubris.

He has financed the left, is a dictator of enormous proportions....and this latest book is just another chapter in the I HATE BUSH encyclopedia.

853 ethanxxx  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:32:58am

re: #848 realwest

Good morning my friend! Why does thou listen to him anyway? I mean that's gotta be as or more painful than listening to Al Gore!

I only listen to him when he shows up here or at Hot Air. I don't think I've watched MSNBC in... well... ever. Who is this Al Gore you speak of?

854 ethanxxx  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:33:57am

re: #851 realwest

Let us hope so! Cause it's really crappy here now!
Is the Sun out where you are?

It's trying. It's supposed to be about 76 with only a 10% chance of rain.

855 realwest  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:34:07am

re: #833 sparrowlake
Morning to you! That's what Ari was saying (see my #812) though not with quite the eloquence with which you put it! LOL!

856 Lively  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:35:03am

The quality of education here in FL is down the tubes.

My 7th grade daughter's math teacher (advanced) was arrested for child porn 2 months ago. He also admitted to taking pictures down girl's shirts with his cell phone.

There are some good teachers here, but like the rest of society many teachers are dysfunctional.

/not trying to dig on any good lizard teachers here

857 loppyd  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:35:07am

re: #844 realwest

MS is STAN. LOL

I'm ok. My step-father had to go back to the hospital yesterday....he's having a hard time eating and has gotten very weak again. They admitted him and ran a bunch of scary tests. The results that have come back have been negative, which is good. BUT he needs to get more nourishment or he's not going to get better. So....that's where it stands now. Waiting for an update from my mom a little later.

858 realwest  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:35:40am

re: #853 ethanxxx
Olberman shows up here? Oh, you mean as a topic!
I knew he couldn't be an LGFer - too stupid and arrogant for that, but I do hope he reads this thread.
Hey Keith - You Suck!

859 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:35:55am

McClellan's book published by Soros. I knew I smelled a rat yesterday.

What the hell's gotten into McClellan?

860 realwest  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:37:02am

re: #857 loppyd Ah geez
{loppyd} I'm sorry to hear that. Is he having a hard time eating cause he has no appetite or something else?
And - how old is he, again?

861 MES41067  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:37:08am

Yea what really stinks about all this is our media will never and I mean never tell the truth about any of this stuff.I think the media is the most dangerous threat to our country and our way of life.

862 Lively  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:37:18am

re: #852 yesandno

I would really like to congratulate John Williams for this outstanding find (And for those wonderful movie songs as well)....

LOL, that was my first thought yesterday when I read that!

Re: Soros. I wish he would flush all his money down the toilet like Ted Turner and give 1 billion to the UN.

863 loppyd  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:37:32am

re: #859 Ward Cleaver

McClellan's book published by Soros. I knew I smelled a rat yesterday.

What the hell's gotten into McClellan?

Bitterness and greed come to mind....

Oh and Good Morning, Ward!

864 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:38:01am

re: #852 yesandno

The good news is that Soros is old, and eventually he'll croak.

/not that i'm wishing ill will on anybody...

/looks around