Any friends of Obama on them?

And of course there will be an uproar @ You tube.
not

Are they able to book a speaker at the Trinity Church? I hear there's a large welcoming crowd there.

I had a friend in college in the 80's who wrote a letter to the school paper in protest to minority groups getting more money from the University for their clubs than any other groups. A lot more money.

He got death threats.

This kind of thing has gone from the prank phone call to the mainstream. Hate is a campus activity as long as you're hating the 'right groups.'

Even with documentation, it's ignored. Because of the thin-skinned, hysterical rhetoric of those in charge of the haters, nobody wants to take them on. As a result they eat up ground until the rest of us have nowhere to stand.

Taken uncut but with no sound and put up again with a voice-over, these could be powerful ammunition against them.

Background on MSU, an article from 2004.

Nauseating, yes.

Surprising? Not in the least.

re: #7 victor_yugo

Nauseating, yes.

Surprising? Not in the least.

Illegal, No.

UC Irvine used to be famous for being the most boring, irrelevant, out-of-the-loop campus in the entire UC system, where nothing ever happened. Everybody wants to get admitted to UCLA or Berkeley, and if not, then Santa Barbara. Santa Cruz if you're a hippie. Davis if you want to be a veterinarian.

But Irvine? That was like exile to Siberia.

Bizarre how it has turned into the hotspot for radicalism.

Now if any UCI equipment or infrastructure was used, UCI could take action.

*crickets*

The American Jihad has a home base.

Do college students have classes anymore?

re: #8 realwest

Freedom of speech. The only thing we can do is make our voices heard above theirs.

Someday YouTube will deplete the Earth of all the gigabyte deposits and it will be because they allowed so much of this redundant blubbering crapola.

MMMMM I'm hung over and want pancakes now. Look out cracker barrell, here I come.

re: #9 zombie Hi zombie!

"But Irvine? That was like exile to Siberia.

Bizarre how it has turned into the hotspot for radicalism."

Maybe that explains how the Muslim Students have been getting away with this - out of sight, out of mind (clearly out of their minds!)?

Your tax dollars at work...

re: #12 pat

Do college students have classes anymore?

Introduction to Advanced Chompskyitus.
Further readings of Ward Churchill.
With weekly meetings in the Che Chapel.

re: #17 Wumpus Hunter

Your tax dollars at work...

Exactly. You always get more of whatever you subsidize and as long as taxpayers pay for crap like this, we should expect more and more of it.

I wonder how many of them are Republicans.

Anti-Americanism, antisemitism, Holocaust denial, open advocacy of armed insurrection in the US, support for terrorist groups, Rachel Corrie’s parents, they’re all here.

Allah and moveon.org have a lot in common

re: #21 Shug

Anti-Americanism, antisemitism, Holocaust denial, open advocacy of armed insurrection in the US, support for terrorist groups, Rachel Corrie’s parents, they’re all here.

Allah and moveon.org have a lot in common

Stan's cast of characters.

Maybe it's time to try out the Smith Act again:

Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or

Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or

Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof--

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

Why Irvine? Are the rest of the UC schools the same or is Irvine particularly hateful and antisemitic?

re: #9 zombie

UC Irvine used to be famous for being the most boring, irrelevant, out-of-the-loop campus in the entire UC system, where nothing ever happened. Everybody wants to get admitted to UCLA or Berkeley, and if not, then Santa Barbara. Santa Cruz if you're a hippie. Davis if you want to be a veterinarian.

But Irvine? That was like exile to Siberia.

Bizarre how it has turned into the hotspot for radicalism.

* * *
Dear Zombie,

Some of this stuff has been happening and hiding in plain view, like the keffiyeh terrorist gear (since 1967!), so Americans busy polishing their granite kitchen counters & opining on fine olive oil & California vintages or playing virtual video games, won't wake up and smell the Keffiyeh!

Here in Northern Virginia, how did this go from Republican conservative country to having the terrorists next door? (Yes, all three boys next door to my folks' went to the Islamic Saudi Academy, hated women, said antisemitic things they learned in school as children, and their mother was a blue eyed blond American woman from Colorado!

It's happened in all our communities while we focused inwards & retreated from history thanks to Jimmy Carter's cowardice and navel gazing and guilt-inducing self hatred.

Irvine, CALIF, is full of AQs

The story is spreading and will be at critical mass by the Sunday Morning pundit shows. Vieira Punts on Possible McClellan-Soros Connection
By Mark Finkelstein

Put it all together, and there's every reason to wonder whether Soros isn't behind McClellan's manifesto. But given the golden opportunity to pursue the matter, Meredith chose to move on. Here's the relevant exchange, which came during the second half-hour of this morning's Today.... VIEIRA: But what about this charge that some people have that you're just trying to make a buck?

MCCLELLAN: Well, I don't think they're familiar with PublicAffairs, the publisher that I worked with, that's not the way they operate. I don't think they're familiar with why I wrote this book. You know, I have a higher loyalty than my loyalty, necessarily, to my past work. That's a loyalty to the truth, and it’s a loyalty to the values I was raised on.

So McClellan served up the issue to Vieira on a silver platter. He mentions PublicAffairs, and even says people aren't familiar with it or the way it operates. Fine! Why not tell us, Scott? But Meredith never asked him to do so. A failure of NBC staff to have provided Vieira with the Soros-related facts, or Meredith's reluctance to undermine the impact of McClellan's allegations? We don't know, but hopefully someone will get to the bottom of the Soros connection soon. Don't count on Keith Olbermann getting into it, though, when McClellan appears this evening on Countdown.

oops wrong thread. I hate when I do that.

re: #25 alegrias "....from Colorado!"
Well that explains it all! LOL!

re: #16 realwest

Yes, though this has given me a bit of an idea -- an insight into why Irvine of all places.

Not to be an intellectual elitist or anything, just telling the facts:

If you're a top-flight admittee to the UC system, you get your choice of campuses to attend. Most choose UCLA or Berkeley for the prestige. The second-tier students might choose Santa Barbara, San Diego, and so on down the list.

Only those students who barely squeaked in to the UC system end up getting the dregs of the campuses, at Irvine.

So the Muslim students who are truly outstanding end up at the other campuses, where (for the most part) they just study for their engineering degrees and whatnot.

It's the ones who are disgruntled, and who feel slighted, and who aren't quite as sharp that end up at Irvine. So a culture of resentment has developed, and they've built that resentment into a political movement.

/It's an interesting theory, at least.

re: #23 Sharmuta Do you know if it's been used at all - or at least after WWII?

re: #31 zombie

Of course, that doesn't explain the same mentality in the Ivy institutions, Zombie.

re: #8 realwest

Illegal, No.

United States Constitution, III 3:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

re: #34 victor_yugo
"adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort"
And those enemies are whom?

re: #32 realwest

Here's the wiki information on it- looks like mid-50s. My previous research on it shows it is still on the books- if jihadis on America soil isn't cause enough to try this law again, I don't know what is.

Sorry to be off-topic, but I'm listening to the horsecrap from the DNC conference to determine whether or not the Florida and Michigan primary votes can count, and it's strictly a dog and pony show. Right now it's being asserted that Obama really had WAY more votes in Michigan (he had none) than was previously thought. This guy Brewer is saying "we advised" those who were for Obama and Edwards to vote uncommitted, and "exit polls" showed that 75% of the uncommitted vote was for Obama, therefore they should once again shaft the Hill and annoint the Obamamessiah, as obviously directed by the mad knightess of capitol hill, Nancy "butt-face" Pelosi.

I love the way the dems are ripping their party to shreds right now. The glorious grand coalition party is turning out to be a road to ultimate ruin.

Nobody can blame that on us.

Part of the increased presence of Muslims on US campuses is due to the funding for professors in Islamic studies by the government.

Just recently, the head of a religious studies deparment asked me if I wanted to be considered for a fully-tenured chair of Islamic studies ... I couldn't believe it.

re: #34 victor_yugo

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The dems and aclu will argue and argue and 'Aid and Comfort' will no longer be defined as it was originally intended.

re: #33 hermeneutics

Of course, that doesn't explain the same mentality in the Ivy institutions, Zombie.

At the Ivy league institutions the anti-Americanism and anti-Israel bias seems to be derived from "ivory tower communism," an effete dabbling in revolution as an intellectual exercise (and to get chicks).

At Irvine, in contrast, it's like the "Arab street": blind hatred, simmering jealousy, a revolution of the underclass.

re: #35 realwest

"adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort"
And those enemies are whom?

al-Qaeda.

Hamas.

Hiz'b'Ullah.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Azzam al-Amriki.

Hassan Nasrallah.

Need I go on?

re: #30 realwest

"....from Colorado!"
Well that explains it all! LOL!

* * *
Realwest, I love you Sir, but there's plenty of Americans from all over living here in Metropolitan Washington, DC, or Michigan, or California or New York or Florida or Georgia or Tennesee where all these communities of people who promote their inner & outer jihad are well rooted.

Consider Catholic Priest Pfleger hating in plain sight for 20 years in Chicago and no one outed that pervert. Where were fellow Catholics, fellow priests, fellow persons of faith while this malignant minister spouted sick stuff?

We know this happens all around us in schools, churches, workplaces and we're only noticing now? That's just not right so many are complacent about horrific ideas floating all around us.

re: #26 winston06

Irvine, CALIF, is full of AQs

Hi Winston! What are 'AQs'?

re: #37 really grumpy big dog johnson Hey there grumpy! Why on earth are you listening to/watching those "proceedings"?

re: #40 zombie

At the Ivy league institutions the anti-Americanism and anti-Israel bias seems to be derived from "ivory tower communism," an effete dabbling in revolution as an intellectual exercise (and to get chicks).

At Irvine, in contrast, it's like the "Arab street": blind hatred, simmering jealousy, a revolution of the underclass.

Small minds, not daring to stretch farther than their comfort zones will allow.

In both cases.

re: #37 really grumpy big dog johnson
They'll blame Bush. It's always his fault, ever since '00./

re: #41 victor_yugo No, but to invoke that part of the Constitution you'd need to have either an Act of War against them passed by Congress or something similar. That we are at war with SOME Muslims, doesn't mean we're at war with ALL Muslims or their friends.

re: #40 zombie

With affirmative action admission policies and the underlying desire for cultural diversity on Ivy campuses, their "effete communism" is looking more like the "Arab street." Among the profs, it is "effete;" among students, more street.

re: #44 realwest

Hey there grumpy! Why on earth are you listening to/watching those "proceedings"?

It's a slow morning.

re: #46 newsjunkie_ky

They'll blame Bush. It's always his fault, ever since '00./

The Civil War was Bush's fault.

Why stop at double-aught?

In order to bring some one to account for treasonous activities, you first have to find someone with a back bone, and the belief.

Charge radical islamic groups with the Smith Act, and maybe sites like youtube would think twice about allowing them to post videos due to possible legal entanglements.

re: #9 zombie

UC Irvine used to be famous for being the most boring, irrelevant, out-of-the-loop campus in the entire UC system, where nothing ever happened. Everybody wants to get admitted to UCLA or Berkeley, and if not, then Santa Barbara. Santa Cruz if you're a hippie. Davis if you want to be a veterinarian.

But Irvine? That was like exile to Siberia.

Bizarre how it has turned into the hotspot for radicalism.

The Detroit of the UC system. Mold gets a foothold on the damaged plants first.

Kaffiyeh update:

While kaffiyeh is great for personal sanitation purposes, I think it may be clogging the plumbing, so I'll have to find another use for it. This is a shame, considering how I figured out a really neat way to get it wound around the TP holder.

re: #28 Mich-again

The story is spreading and will be at critical mass by the Sunday Morning pundit shows. Vieira Punts on Possible McClellan-Soros Connection
By Mark Finkelstein

Viera is cotton candy. She couldn't handle real news.

re: #40 zombie

At the Ivy league institutions the anti-Americanism and anti-Israel bias seems to be derived from "ivory tower communism," an effete dabbling in revolution as an intellectual exercise (and to get chicks).

At Irvine, in contrast, it's like the "Arab street": blind hatred, simmering jealousy, a revolution of the underclass.

* * *
Remember Sirhan Sirhan the "disgruntled" Palestinian living in California who murdered Robert F. Kennedy was this kind of anti-Semite, living in the USA.

John Kennedy was killed by a disgruntled dabler in Communism with a Soviet wife.

It's weird America doesn't hold disgruntled communists and anti-semites responsible for these two Kennedy deaths.

re: #43 NoSubmission

Hi Winston! What are 'AQs'?

Al Qaedans = AQs

re: #47 realwest

No, but to invoke that part of the Constitution you'd need to have either an Act of War against them passed by Congress or something similar. That we are at war with SOME Muslims, doesn't mean we're at war with ALL Muslims or their friends.

al-Qaeda declared war against us. Congress' inaction does not mean there is no war.

re: #56 MandyManners

Viera is cotton candy. She couldn't handle real news.

Meredith the bobble-head doll...

C Span has Rules and Bylaws committee meeting LIVE, now.

[Link: c-span.org...]

re: #57 savage_nation

Double-aught can go all the way back to the time of Jesus.

It's George Bush's fault that Pilate hung Jesus on the cross! eek!

Technically there was no year 0. The calendar goes from 1 B.C. to 1 A.D.

GUFFAWWW!
One of the speakers was introduced as " The Imam for the Institute of Contemporary Islamic Thought"..

That's the funniest oxymoron I think I've ever heard!

:-D

re: #58 alegrias

* * *
Remember Sirhan Sirhan the "disgruntled" Palestinian living in California who murdered Robert F. Kennedy was this kind of anti-Semite, living in the USA.

John Kennedy was killed by a disgruntled dabler in Communism with a Soviet wife.

It's weird America doesn't hold disgruntled communists and anti-semites responsible for these two Kennedy deaths.

Who says we don't?

re: #12 pat

Do college students have classes anymore?

Well, considering how late my daughters starts and then how early in the year she gets done, I don't think so. Of course the tuition only keeps going up.

re: #42 alegrias "That's just not right so many are complacent about horrific ideas floating all around us."
You are absolutely correct and I love you too (but PLEASE don't call me "Sir" - I know you mean it as a sign of respect, but it just makes me feel old more mature!
And I shouldn't, I guess, have given you a flippant answer to your question. You are of course correct; unfortunately, as I've said out here before, we are fighting a GWoT which, insofar as shooting goes, involves only Iraq and Iran and most Americans, unless they have family or friends in the miliary, don't feel any pain from those fights.
Unless and until the President involves ALL Americans in the fight, I'm afraid that complaceny will continue.

re: #57 savage_nation

Double-aught can go all the way back to the time of Jesus.

It's George Bush's fault that Pilate hung Jesus on the cross! eek!

Bush caused the extinction of the dinosaurs! Google it!
/

re: #28 Mich-again

re: #56 MandyManners

Viera is cotton candy. She couldn't handle real news.

I stated it on the last thread. Mclellan is on Russerts show tomorrow. Russert usually shows some guts, regardless of party. I'm sure he'll ask about it. If Mclellan does the "I wasn;t aware of who owend it" act, I'm not sure how far Russert will push it

re: #47 realwest

No, but to invoke that part of the Constitution you'd need to have either an Act of War against them passed by Congress or something similar. That we are at war with SOME Muslims, doesn't mean we're at war with ALL Muslims or their friends.

naw..real...we are kidding ourselves to think that. We ARE at war with all moslems. The ones who are peaceful are by the kookrans own admission not true moslems.

re: #48 hermeneutics

With affirmative action admission policies and the underlying desire for cultural diversity on Ivy campuses, their "effete communism" is looking more like the "Arab street." Among the profs, it is "effete;" among students, more street.

* * *
Thank you everyone for exposing the "effete" kefiyeh wearers trying oh so stylishly to "keep it real" and show solidarity with street jihadists, instead of those who bring peace through STRENGTH & liberty & freedom.

I love you guys for keeping the camel nose out of the freedom tent.

re: #66 Nevergiveup

No kidding -- my daughter ended her spring term in APRIL.

re: #38 hermeneutics

Just recently, the head of a religious studies deparment asked me if I wanted to be considered for a fully-tenured chair of Islamic studies ... I couldn't believe it.

Are you considering that position? It would be good to have one sane patriot in that department and I think the students would benefit from hearing the truth about Islam at least once.

re: #49 really grumpy big dog johnson Must be! LOL!
Glad you decided to come out to LGF and play!
And I still don't know why many "important Dems" and the DNC and the MSM came out SO EARLY for Obama.

re: #58 alegrias

As a follow-on to my #65 above:

I do hold the effete idiots in our university towers responsible for the deaths of JFK, the same way I hold them responsible for the Ukrainian genocide and the mass "disappearances" under Mao.

The term "Gramscian whore" should be tattooed on their foreheads.

re: #12 pat

Do college students have classes anymore?

classes? they don't need no stinkin classes!

They already know everything they need to know... Bush is the enemy...obama is the the "A.N.S.W.E.R.

Sue

re: #76 savage_nation

Bush caused the Big Bang too...

It was a controlled demolition!

re: #24 hermeneutics

Why Irvine? Are the rest of the UC schools the same or is Irvine particularly hateful and antisemitic?

I've seen Nabka signs and meetings at UCLA for several years.

As well as commie agitprop stuff could be right out of the 1960s - or 1920's. Not a lot, and no reason to think anyone pays it serious attention, but it's there.

re: #74 Neo Con since 9-11

No. I wouldn't touch it. I'm not an Islamicist and shouldn't have been considered.

re: #76 savage_nation

Bush caused the Big Bang too...

He made me break my arm when I was 6. Bastard!
/

re: #76 savage_nation

Bush caused the Big Bang too...

No, that was Bill Clinton...

re: #75 realwest

Must be! LOL!
Glad you decided to come out to LGF and play!
And I still don't know why many "important Dems" and the DNC and the MSM came out SO EARLY for Obama.

The first two friggin primaries, and lo-and-behold, Obama was an overnight sensation not for the votes he received, but for those he did not receive.

Let's face it, it's not possible to simulate the logic of democrats, because there's no logic there.

re: #60 victor_yugo I agree completely. I'm just giving you a legal interpretation; frankly Iran declared war on us in 1979 when they took over American territory (to say nothing of the Kidnapped hostages) and we didn't do anything.
Legally it really does require an Act of Congress either declaring war or acknowledging that a State of War exists (think of FDR's speech and Congress' action vs Japan after Pearl Harbor).

re: #58 alegrias

It's weird America doesn't hold disgruntled communists and anti-semites responsible for these two Kennedy deaths.

Isn't it?

I actually was gobsmacked when I first learned that Sirhan Sirhan was a Palestinian radical. I never really knew much about the RFK killing, but in nothing I ever saw did it mention that he was Palestinian. Just a "nutcase."

it was not actually until about five years ago that I first learned of it (on the Internet, of course.) I was like, "Holy cow! Why does no one ever discuss this?"

I once even watched an hour-long TV documentary about the assassination, and it didn't mention the word "Palestinian" even once.

Amazing. The DNC sets up a 'rule". Michigan and Florida break the "rule". Michigan and Florida now appeal to not be punished.

PREDICTION,, the DNC will seat the delegates!

"son, if you stay up past 10, you can't play video games tomorrow"
"dad, I stayed up until 12"
"son, have fun playing video games tomorrow"

I am getting hungry and I want to diet, so periodically I turn the TV channel to the DNC rules committee. Instant nausea. And it is a free diet!

re: #86 realwest

That's why I'm advocating the Smith Act. It doesn't require a state of war.

re: #20 Luigi

I wonder how many of them are Republicans.

How many of who - UCI Palis, or UCI students generally?

Certainly there's a big Vietnamese contingent from the nearby Little Saigon, and they tend right of center.

Orange County as a whole now is pretty mixed.

re: #83 victor_yugo

No, that was Bill Clinton...

No your thinking of that big "sucking sound" I think.

re: #79 Occasional Reader

It was a controlled demolition!

It was an inside job!

re: #88 sattv4u2

Amazing. The DNC sets up a 'rule". Michigan and Florida break the "rule". Michigan and Florida now appeal to not be punished.

PREDICTION,, the DNC will seat the delegates!

"son, if you stay up past 10, you can't play video games tomorrow"
"dad, I stayed up until 12"
"son, have fun playing video games tomorrow"

Who is the DNC to dictate to the Secretaries of State how they will carry out their duties under the United States Constitution?

F*%k the DNC and their pathetic "rules."

UC Irvine is most likely a state-funded University. Can taxpayers appeal to the state legislature to reform this "educational institution" or cut off its funding?

re: #38 hermeneutics

Just recently, the head of a religious studies deparment asked me if I wanted to be considered for a fully-tenured chair of Islamic studies ... I couldn't believe it.

The scarf is working for you?

/kidding

re: #93 rockdad

It was an inside job!

Jews were all warned to stay home from the proto-Universe that morning.

According to my research, the Smith Act is the closest thing we have to sedition laws in America, and I think it's high past time we get serious about islamic sedition in this country.

re: #94 victor_yugo

Who is the DNC to dictate to the Secretaries of State how they will carry out their duties under the United States Constitution?

F*%k the DNC and their pathetic "rules."

These are only democratic primaries so the Sec. Of States are not involved.

re: #85 ploome hineni

I'm not sure why I was considered. I was sitting in the department chair's office, chatting about nuthin,' and he brought up the search committee for this position. I asked him how it was going, off-handedly, and he became both animated and defensive. He asked me why I wanted to know about the search ... I didn't really have a good answer. Just curious. Then he asked me to apply.

He knows my vita -- No Arabic language (though I'm studying it now, just for me); No publications in this field; No background; No courses, even as an undergrad.

I am supremely unqualified.

re: #50 savage_nation

They play that wordgame and it can be construed that they are giving aid and comfort themselves by all their bullshit.

* * *
"Aid and Comfort: Jane Fonda in Vietnam" by Henry Mark Holzer and Erika Holzer is something I started reading just last night.

It has a foreword by Col. George "Bud" Day, who took John Kerry to court for slandering US POWs.

I recommend this book. It holds Tom Hayden the California politician and rioter at the 1968 Democrat convention, responsible for much treason against the US.

It discusses the US law of treason.

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or, in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court." (Constitution of the United States of America, Article III, Section 3, paragraph 1)

re: #97 Occasional Reader

Jews were all warned to stay home from the proto-Universe that morning.

Bush knew! The universe blew!

re: #94 victor_yugo

Who is the DNC to dictate to the Secretaries of State how they will carry out their duties under the United States Constitution?

F*%k the DNC and their pathetic "rules."

Had to.

re: #71 paxnhymn Well, again, I was speaking of legalities (Please see my #
86). I know it's not popular to say the things I've said, but I'm afraid that's what the law says.

And as I've said to my good friend alegrias at #67, Most Americans are not involved in the WoT. They just aren't, even though folks like us on LGF understand that war and the nature of it, no one has asked the American people to sacrifice ANYTHING (except of course for those in the military and their friends and families.).

I just love it. The DNC asks Michigan to foot the bill to have a new dem primary in the state, and the state rightly refuses. The DNC damn well won't pay for it, so it's all the fault of the state that the primary was "faulty".

Carl Levin is a jerk.

re: #87 zombie

I once even watched an hour-long TV documentary about the assassination, and it didn't mention the word "Palestinian" even once.

Because there is no such thing as a 'palestinian.'

Jonathan Constantine, who got the hat tip for the posting up top of this thread, said also, "Some of the videos are sloppy..."

.....which is nice to know --off-putting to casual, perhaps-unswayed-as-yet viewers.

re: #100 hermeneutics

I'm not sure why I was considered. I was sitting in the department chair's office, chatting about nuthin,' and he brought up the search committee for this position. I asked him how it was going, off-handedly, and he became both animated and defensive. He asked me why I wanted to know about the search ... I didn't really have a good answer. Just curious. Then he asked me to apply.

He knows my vita -- No Arabic language (though I'm studying it now, just for me); No publications in this field; No background; No courses, even as an undergrad.

I am supremely unqualified.

I think the two basic qualifications are can you point your ass in the air five times a day, and can you load a Kalishnikov...

re: #65 victor_yugo

Who says we don't?

* * *
Seriously, now. You tell me or guess how many Americans remember murdering Sirhan Sirhan was a Palestinian pissed off Robert F. Kennedy supported Israel instead of the Palis in the 1967 war?

re: #88 sattv4u2

Amazing. The DNC sets up a 'rule". Michigan and Florida break the "rule". Michigan and Florida now appeal to not be punished.

PREDICTION,, the DNC will seat the delegates!

"son, if you stay up past 10, you can't play video games tomorrow"
"dad, I stayed up until 12"
"son, have fun playing video games tomorrow"

No Democrat has ever met a rule that they thought pertained to them once it got in their way.

C'mon Hillary, pass the bra and panties over to Obama already.

re: #100 hermeneutics

He knows my vita -- No Arabic language (though I'm studying it now, just for me); No publications in this field; No background; No courses, even as an undergrad.

I am supremely unqualified.

Maybe your application would be the "proof" that he wasn't trying to sabotage the search?

re: #50 savage_nation
Agree.

re: #97 Occasional Reader

Jews were all warned to stay home from the proto-Universe that morning.

The Big Bang never happened. It was all propaganda by the Jooos!

Sen. Levin is talking now at the Dem meeting. He's asking for the FULL SEATING of Michigan's delegates. Fun. Here's a transcript as I hear it. Good stuff.

"We have united the Michigan democratic party on this allocation formula. ... We are very close to the ground in Michigan ... Michigan decided long ago that we've got an irrational system of nominating our president ... Iowa and NH has taken a privileged position that has a dominating effect ... Michigan decided that no state should have a privileged position. In 2004 MI said we'll hold it the same day as NH ... we understand the rules ... but we'll take our case to the convention. The chair of the deparment said 'don't do that please.' They had hearing and debates for a year. Heated. We studied the history and precendent and we came up with a recommendation that created history, a minor change ... historic significant recommendation: that the first caucus be in IO and the first primary in NH, but there be an additional first-tier caucuses between IO and NH. NH voted NO. They wanted to maintain their privileged status right after Iowa. Perpetual privilege. The commission said that one or two caucuses between IO and NH ... Michigan accepted it and praised it.

We applied to be one of the four. (Rejected). NH didn't accept it and jumped ahead of the rules. The Committe did not enforce the rule against NH.

re: #67 realwest

"That's just not right so many are complacent about horrific ideas floating all around us."
You are absolutely correct and I love you too (but PLEASE don't call me "Sir" - I know you mean it as a sign of respect, but it just makes me feel old more mature!
And I shouldn't, I guess, have given you a flippant answer to your question. You are of course correct; unfortunately, as I've said out here before, we are fighting a GWoT which, insofar as shooting goes, involves only Iraq and Iran and most Americans, unless they have family or friends in the miliary, don't feel any pain from those fights.
Unless and until the President involves ALL Americans in the fight, I'm afraid that complaceny will continue.

* * *
You know and I know and the American people know, they'll only laugh at a president who says "The Russians are coming, The Russians are coming!".

Liberals laugh at the threat and embrace the hateful ideologies instead of dissecting & rejecting them.

They would rather wear kefiyehs & nooses & burqas than FIGHT them.

re: #98 Sharmuta I wished we'd invoked the Logan Act too, but the fact that we think it's high time we invoked it, doesn't mean the powers that be do.

re: #113 Racer X

C'mon Hillary, pass the bra and panties over to Obama already.

Where'd Hillary get the panties from?

re: #114 victor_yugo

Maybe. The position has been filled ... by a Islamic radical. Sigh.

The democrats in Michigan and Florida all knew that if they held their primaries early, their votes would not be counted. They did it anyway.

They were warned. Now it is time to pay the consequences and guess what? They are crying like little girls at how it's not fair and the rules need to be changed.

Sound familiar?

Can't blame this mess on the GOP.

re: #111 alegrias

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Seriously, now. You tell me or guess how many Americans remember murdering Sirhan Sirhan was a Palestinian pissed off Robert F. Kennedy supported Israel instead of the Palis in the 1967 war?

Enough to mention it in the Wikipedia article.

re: #122 sattv4u2

Where'd Hillary get the panties from?

Overstock.com

"F*%k the DNC and their pathetic "rules."""

That's what Clinton says.

re: #126 really grumpy big dog johnson

Overstock.com

could be ,, but how to get them Overthemthighs?

re: #122 sattv4u2

Where'd Hillary get the panties from?

Boxers?

re: #118 hermeneutics

"we understand the rules ... but we'll take our case to the convention." Now THAT put a smile on my face!

re: #124 Racer X

The democrats in Michigan and Florida all knew that if they held their primaries early, their votes would not be counted. They did it anyway.

They were warned. Now it is time to pay the consequences and guess what? They are crying like little girls at how it's not fair and the rules need to be changed.

Sound familiar?

Can't blame this mess on the GOP.

Rove is a magnificent bastard isn't he?
/

re: #89 Nevergiveup

I am getting hungry and I want to diet, so periodically I turn the TV channel to the DNC rules committee. Instant nausea. And it is a free diet!

* * *
Thanks for keeping a lookout on that circus.

Good luck with your weight, just breath slowly, drink water, cycle like Charles Johnson--please don't do the Jane Fonda bulimia thing~

Levin ... warming up.

" We ask you, the rules commitee, to enforce the new rule, but if you are not going to enforce the rule and give NH a waver, but not us a waver.

But you didn't give us a waver.

Michigan said they'd follow the rules if every other state follows the rules. We aren't going to sit back when one or two states have a god-given right to go first."

Don't punish us for that. Our candidates support the key issue that all of our candidates be seated with a full vote. ... If you decide to leave the allocation to the credentials committe, we urge you to do what both candidates urge you to do.

SEAT the full delegation with full voting rights."

Is that why they were hanging out on Joopiter?

Yes, and Iona all of you!

Finally, Levin gets to his main point:

Seat Florida and Michigan delegations with full voting credentials at the convention.

Juicy stuff!

Carl Levin,,, "The issiue here isn't that the rules were broken, the issue is party unity. Thats what we all want"

EARTH TO CARL ,,, if you didn't BREAK the rules, you wouldn't BE THERE TODAY !

re: #106 realwest

otay, buckwheat. Gotcha.

;-)

waiver, not waver. Sorry.

OT
Can anyone here do a good photoshop for me? Need the head in one picture, put on a dog in another picture and on the body of a person in another.
Bueller, anyone?

Email me.

Ben Johnson brings out the RACE card

re: #138 hermeneutics

waiver, not waver. Sorry.

"Who checks the spell checker?"

re: #139 newsjunkie_ky

heh,,, I can barely use my instamatic camera !

re: #141 rockdad

"Who checks the spell checker?"

I don't acept checks ,,, cash, credit or debit only

re: #140 sattv4u2

Ben Johnson brings out the RACE card

I bet he's not part of the 92% of black democrats who would sell their firstborns for Obama...

re: #100 hermeneutics

I'm not sure why I was considered. I was sitting in the department chair's office, chatting about nuthin,' and he brought up the search committee for this position. I asked him how it was going, off-handedly, and he became both animated and defensive. He asked me why I wanted to know about the search ... I didn't really have a good answer. Just curious. Then he asked me to apply.

He knows my vita -- No Arabic language (though I'm studying it now, just for me); No publications in this field; No background; No courses, even as an undergrad.

I am supremely unqualified.

* * *
Islamic faculty think you could be a useful "idiot"! A tool! Bwahahah, you could report back to us from inside the caliphate madrassa headbangers brain trust.

re: #38 hermeneutics

I 'll teach Islamic Studies. They won't like what I would teach:

A. Historical background of Islam.
B. Philosophical and Pagan Influences on Islam.
C. Patterns of thought in the Koran and other Islamic Teaching.
D. Islam as a religious movement.
E. Islam as a political movement.
F. The theme of Conquest in Islam.
G. Islam and Christianity- A Comparative Study.

I could go on.

re: #142 sattv4u2
I understand. I have no clue.

re: #142 sattv4u2

heh,,, I can barely use my instamatic camera !

Did you replace the flash bulbs? Remember only 4 clicky. Almost forgot about those.

re: #119 alegrias Well you may very well be right (you usually are) but Congress didn't vote to declare war on Iraq, just agreed that the POUTUS should enforce the UN Resolutions.
I hate to second guess anyone, including - maybe especially - a sitting President, but it seems to me that Iraq was not our #1 enemy then or now; Iran was. I would much rather have gone into Iran than Iraq (even though we did stop the mass slaughter of Iraqi's by the Hussein regime). Iran has been in a state of (undeclared) war with us since 1979.
I haven't forgotten that fact and after meeting with one of the hostages, my feelings against Iran went completely into a war footing.
But our best President, Ronald Reagan, just as our worst President (so far) Jimmy Carter, and Bush I and II and President Clinton regrettably didn't agree with me (yes, beleive it or not I wrote to Reagan and all the others except Carter).

I still kinda hope barack hussein obama gets the nom. I know a lot of dems that will not vote for him but would LOVE to vote for the hildebeast. They are voting for mccain, if obamassiah is the dem choice.

Alice Germond
DNC Rules and Bylaws Cmte Member

"UNCOMMITED Superdelegate"

Why not just have a VOTE FOR SALE sign on your forehead

re: #124 Racer X Nope, but if the DNC doesn't seat the delegates from Michigan and Florida, I think they just handed Michigan and Florida to the GOP in November.

Ben Johnson. Hillary supporter. Talking now. DIdn't say much.

Levin again. "says they wanted diversity. A rule was adopted with a sequence which was critically important to this debate so it wasn't Iowa and NH first. The sequence was to be changed ... finally."

Levin looks pissed.

Nasel-sounding woman -- Alice Germond (related to Jack?) -- "The DNC did not ask the candidates off the ballot, we had already said this was a non-binding event so it didn't matter if names were on the ballot. Now we are retroactively giving out delegates for an event that wasn't going to count.

The data from this event is clearly incomplete. Made more vivid from the write-in votes.

My question is: 69-59-50 ... How did you arrive at the 69/59 number?"

re: #151 savage_nation

Yeah, the technology seemed to sophisticated back then. Always had to marvel at the genius engineering Ha!

re: #157 hermeneutics

My question is: 69-59-50 ... How did you arrive at the 69/59 number

They are talking about # of delegates designated per candidate, not percentage of actual vote

re: #147 hrhamilton

Wish you would offer to teach it.....even as far as you could get before each different college would shut you down..... :)

re: #143 savage_nation
Hi ya Savage! Yeah, take that with a mountain of salt. He did it. Period.

I say keep the roaches out where we can see them. As much socialist stifiling of our freedoms as we now live with, do we want to continue down the road where as in Germany it is a crime to deny the Holocaust? We already have hate(thought) crimes being devined by our masters in government, just how far do we want to go in this direction?

re: #152 realwest

Concur Yr Analysis.

However, I'll offer the counterpoint that it's smart to choose your battles carefully. Having a presence in Iraq and Afghanistan puts us on better footing to enter Iran if/when necessary.

Levin again.

He says the primary was flawed. Clinton wants 73 delegates. Obama wants X. Levin wants to split the difference.

Incredible. (No one will be happy about this. This is really fun, guys. The D's look more rational than usual, but I don't see how anyone will be happy with their compromise.)

re: #156 ploome hineni

Thanks. I'll go find that book and read it.

re: #120 realwest

I wished we'd invoked the Logan Act too, but the fact that we think it's high time we invoked it, doesn't mean the powers that be do.

*sigh* I know. Maybe if we retain the White House and get a gutsy A.G. we'll see something, but until then, I'll guess I'll have to keep dreaming.

re: #147 hrhamilton

I showed the danish cartoons in class and my chair supported me. That was as gutsy as I get.

re: #122 sattv4u2

Where'd Hillary get the panties from?

That's easy -- Huma

re: #155 realwest

Nope, but if the DNC doesn't seat the delegates from Michigan and Florida, I think they just handed Michigan and Florida to the GOP in November.

The Price Isn't Right.

Levin look to be the heavyweight at the meeting. I would predict that he gets everything he wants.

re: #161 Ma Sands

Actually I do teach this, but in a church setting, not a university setting.

re: #133 hermeneutics
Alice Germond, DNC Secretary, is now responding to Levin's appeal to seat the entire MI delegates, specifically, how Levin comes up with how to split the delegates. Reducing the delegate count is not an issue as of yet.

FYI: Alice is Jack Germond's, Fat Man Fed Up: How American Politics Went Bad, second wife. Jack is one of my favorite old-school LLL

re: #100 hermeneutics

I suspect you would do a better job than what the current crop of islamic teachers. All the students are getting now is Taqiyya.

re: #165 hermeneutics

Levin again.

He says the primary was flawed. Clinton wants 73 delegates. Obama wants X. Levin wants to split the difference.

Incredible. (No one will be happy about this. This is really fun, guys. The D's look more rational than usual, but I don't see how anyone will be happy with their compromise.)

They only look rational because they know the cameras are on right now. I would LOVE to be a fly on the wall later when the group breaks up into little rooms

re: #167 Sharmuta

But I thought BushCo already had everybody locked up?

/

One gets the feeling that UC Irvine is "the Berkely of Islamo-fascism".

re: #152 realwest

Hiya RW!

I agree with you on Iran. When we first went in to Iraq in 2003 Syria and Iran were shitting bricks. They had no idea how far we would go.

re: #174 hrhamilton

Good enuff! :)

If Clinton doesn't get votes reflective of those who voted for her in the Florida and Michigan primaries, there will be credentials fight on the floor of the DNC.

No way are they going to be able to conclude business in four short days.

re: #159 savage_nation

That was the first camera I had when I was little. I LOVED my instamatic!

I had one that took actual film you had to load, and thread onto the take-up spool. It took one flashbulb at a time.
I still have a couple of my father's old cameras, Kodaks that have bellows, one I think is from before 1920 and the other is from the 20's. I've seen ones like them on display at a camera store, and was told they aren't worth much. No film available. I also have a Polaroid 250, I think; consumer top-of-the-line from the late 1960's. Can't even get a battery for it. Also worth little.
I compare them with my Canon 10 megapixel digital.

re: #106 realwest

Well, again, I was speaking of legalities (Please see my #
86). I know it's not popular to say the things I've said, but I'm afraid that's what the law says.

And as I've said to my good friend alegrias at #67, Most Americans are not involved in the WoT. They just aren't, even though folks like us on LGF understand that war and the nature of it, no one has asked the American people to sacrifice ANYTHING (except of course for those in the military and their friends and families.).

* * *
Realwest, leftists think Americans have sacrifice ENOUGH already! Liberals say we are now living in a gulag, that we have no freedoms anymore, that we cannot wear terrorist keffiyehs so we are deprived of our liberty.

If you can't talk with Al Qaeda on your own phone, you've given up too much pursuit of happiness. Liberals say.

re: #164 victor_yugo Yes, you're correct. Unfortunately we need a Commander-in-Chief who's willing to "withdraw" from Iraq THROUGH Iran (and Syria, might as well take 'em all down) and I don't see anyone in the running who would be willing to do that.
I'm sad to say that the majority of the American People are just totally univolved with what's going on in the World around them.
Damnit.

re: #175 Just Above Average

HI JAA again! Good to see you online. Are Jack and Alice still married or is he on #3 or #4?

No wonder Jack has such inside info on elections.

re: #185 alegrias

* * *
Realwest, leftists think Americans have sacrifice ENOUGH already! Liberals say we are now living in a gulag, that we have no freedoms anymore, that we cannot wear terrorist keffiyehs so we are deprived of our liberty.

If you can't talk with Al Qaeda on your own phone, you've given up too much pursuit of happiness. Liberals say.

Of course the fact that they can say all these things without getting locked up puts a lie to it all. But they have such bad cognitive dissonance they don't realize it.

Well y'all it's been grand as usual, but I have to go help out my Mom with some "chores". I hope you all have a GREAT DAY and that I get the chance to see you down the road!

re: #189 savage_nation

My hands were too little to thread the camera, thats why I was forced to used the cartridge.

Instamatics weren't out when I got the camera.

re: #169 hermeneutics

I understand completely. The situation has gotten so post modern, even in some Christian universities, that a fellow can not teach some courses as they should be taught, and still expect to have a livelihood. I could tell some tales, but I will not here.

Harold Ickes (pronounced ICKYs)(has anyone ever had a more appropriate last name) looks like a guy that you would buy black market VIAGRA from

(NOT that I know anything about that !)

re: #188 ploome hineni

I had a brownie

remember them?

I also have 2 of these, one is a little longer than the other

I still have somewhere a Minolta 16mm. Bigger and not as sophisticated, but a lot cheaper. It still freaked people out back then.

re: #185 alegrias

* * *
Realwest, leftists think Americans have sacrifice ENOUGH already! Liberals say we are now living in a gulag, that we have no freedoms anymore, that we cannot wear terrorist keffiyehs so we are deprived of our liberty.

And the fact that they say that, and aren't arrested on the spot for it, puts the lie to their own words.

Ayn Rand knew them well. And she died before many of them were born.

re: #193 hrhamilton

I understand completely. The situation has gotten so post modern, even in some Christian universities, that a fellow can not teach some courses as they should be taught, and still expect to have a livelihood. I could tell some tales, but I will not here.

I'm a gal, not a fellow, but thanks ... and I'd love to hear those tales someday, off-line.

I had an old Agfa. Great lens.

re: #187 hermeneutics

Jack's first wife, Barbara, is the one I knew. Alice "Travis" Germond is the most recent acquisition. I don't know when Barbara divorced Jack, but it's likely he was served these papers while playing the ponies at the track. I still like the guy.

re: #130 realwest

"we understand the rules ... but we'll take our case to the convention." Now THAT put a smile on my face!

* * *
If Obama invites Father Pfleger to sit in the Denver presidential box, Democrats will implode! Hillary's people will tear that priest into communion wafers & whine.

re: #198 hermeneutics

I'm a gal, not a fellow

"Fellow," as in "colleague."

re: #202 victor_yugo

Is that a Go board for an avatar?

re: #23 Sharmuta

Carter. That's Carter. Take his passport. Turn his library into a landfill.

re: #76 savage_nation

That would mean that he is 'The Prime Mover'... That would mean that he is 'God'... hmm, I don't think they would want to go that far!

SF
Bill

Ickes -- I am right where you are on full delegation and full votes, but Senator when you think about fair-reflection ... as a matter of law, in order to help with harmony and unity, I did not raise a parlimentary issue at the outset because I do not think that this committee has the jurisdiction to entertain the challenge as drafted.

Oh boy, its getting hotter at the committee. It is Ickes v. Levin. MAJOR power struggle. Ickes seems to be saying that whatever the committee says won't be binding. He wants the power.

Harold Ickes -- 73-55 (Clinton v. Obama). That's what he wants.

Someone should complain to Ahhnold. The school has a state board of regents, or something like that, doesn't it?

re: #204 mrsoc

They could pulp his essays and books into compost, if that would make them feel better.

re: #206 hermeneutics

Has there ever been a more suitably named guy than Harold Ickes? You would think he'd pronounce it Icks, or Eyekees, but noooo, it's Ickys. Really.

re: #198 hermeneutics

I should have guessed from her-maneutics and not his-maneutics. That is a joke, no offense meant.

I have to be careful with what I say, since when I signed up here, I was too ignorant to not use my name. So if I tell tales out of school, I'll probably get some people mad at me.

re: #147 hrhamilton

I 'll teach Islamic Studies. They won't like what I would teach:

A. Historical background of Islam.
B. Philosophical and Pagan Influences on Islam.
C. Patterns of thought in the Koran and other Islamic Teaching.
D. Islam as a religious movement.
E. Islam as a political movement.
F. The theme of Conquest in Islam.
G. Islam and Christianity- A Comparative Study.

I could go on.

* * *
More power to you! Thank you for a great syllabus, if only real educators would use you as a resource.

re: #206 hermeneutics

Ickes -- I am right where you are on full delegation and full votes, but Senator when you think about fair-reflection ... as a matter of law, in order to help with harmony and unity, I did not raise a parlimentary issue at the outset because I do not think that this committee has the jurisdiction to entertain the challenge as drafted.

Oh boy, its getting hotter at the committee. It is Ickes v. Levin. MAJOR power struggle. Ickes seems to be saying that whatever the committee says won't be binding. He wants the power.

Harold Ickes -- 73-55 (Clinton v. Obama). That's what he wants.

73-55 won't fly, for many reasons.

Oh Goody ,,,,, David Bonior ,,, It just gets sleazier and sleazier

re: #141 rockdad

"Who checks the spell checker?"

Scripps.

re: #203 godfrey

Is that a Go board for an avatar?

No, it's the Glider pattern on Conway's Game of Life.

This will explain it better.

re: #204 mrsoc

I don't think carter has called for the armed overthrowing of the American government. I would charge carter with the Logan Act, but the MSA and their ilk I would use the Smith Act.

OT - What media bias?

AP reporters sharp drop in military deaths in Iraq. How? See the headline.

Iraq deaths down, but for how long?

Putting the "BUT" in the headline now.

re: #210 tradewind

see my #195

re: #215 debutaunt

Scripps.

Isn't this weekend the Speling Beee finals?

re: #38 hermeneutics

Part of the increased presence of Muslims on US campuses is due to the funding for professors in Islamic studies by the government.

Just recently, the head of a religious studies deparment asked me if I wanted to be considered for a fully-tenured chair of Islamic studies ... I couldn't believe it.

Fully Tenured?

If you were to get the post, would there be any controls on you, or would you be free to do and write as your conscience would guide you?

re: #218 Silhouette

The headline you'll never see from al-AP or al-Reuters:

Iraq deaths up, BUT for how long?

re: #211 hrhamilton

How about 'her-MEN-neutics'? It's SO confusing in this PC republic

re: #201 alegrias

* * *
If Obama invites Father Pfleger to sit in the Denver presidential box, Democrats will implode! Hillary's people will tear that priest into communion wafers & whine.

how about "communion waffles and whine"...
that has a obama kind of ring to it

re: #218 Silhouette

We will never hear the truth... that Al Q in Iraq is all but defeated, either.... the Dems will make sure of that.
Their entire platform re the war would be tanked.

re: #222 victor_yugo

The headline you'll never see from al-AP or al-Reuters:

Even if you did, you'd never see it on Google. They only publish the news that is "fit to read".

re: #207 tradewind

Here's the relevant article from the Cali constitution:

SEC. 9. (a) The University of California shall constitute a public
trust, to be administered by the existing corporation known as "The
Regents of the University of California," with full powers of
organization and government, subject only to such legislative control
as may be necessary to insure the security of its funds and
compliance with the terms of the endowments of the university and
such competitive bidding procedures as may be made applicable to the
university by statute for the letting of construction contracts,
sales of real property, and purchasing of materials, goods, and
services. Said corporation shall be in form a board composed of
seven ex officio members, which shall be: the Governor, the
Lieutenant Governor, the Speaker of the Assembly, the Superintendent
of Public Instruction, the president and the vice president of the
alumni association of the university and the acting president of the
university, and 18 appointive members appointed by the Governor and
approved by the Senate, a majority of the membership concurring;
provided, however that the present appointive members shall hold
office until the expiration of their present terms.
[snip - omitting terms, vacancy issue, advisory committee]
(f) The Regents of the University of California shall be vested
with the legal title and the management and disposition of the
property of the university and of property held for its benefit and
shall have the power to take and hold, either by purchase or by
donation, or gift, testamentary or otherwise, or in any other manner,
without restriction, all real and personal property for the benefit
of the university or incidentally to its conduct; provided, however,
that sales of university real property shall be subject to such
competitive bidding procedures as may be provided by statute. Said
corporation shall also have all the powers necessary or convenient
for the effective administration of its trust, including the power to
sue and to be sued, to use a seal, and to delegate to its committees
or to the faculty of the university, or to others, such authority or
functions as it may deem wise. The Regents shall receive all funds
derived from the sale of lands pursuant to the act of Congress of
July 2, 1862, and any subsequent acts amendatory thereof. The
university shall be entirely independent of all political or
sectarian influence and kept free therefrom in the appointment of its
regents and in the administration of its affairs, and no person
shall be debarred admission to any department of the university on
account of race, religion, ethnic heritage, or sex.
(g) Meetings of the Regents of the University of California shall
be public, with exceptions and notice requirements as may be provided
by statute.

re: #223 Just Above Average

That's too funny.

re: #224 MarineMomSue

He won't. Obama has learned one thing, and that is to run away quickly and do the Peter/Denial thing when he realizes he's screwed.
(On second thought, not comparing him to Peter, who was remorseful).

re: #152 realwest

Well you may very well be right (you usually are) but Congress didn't vote to declare war on Iraq, just agreed that the POUTUS should enforce the UN Resolutions.
I hate to second guess anyone, including - maybe especially - a sitting President, but it seems to me that Iraq was not our #1 enemy then or now; Iran was. I would much rather have gone into Iran than Iraq (even though we did stop the mass slaughter of Iraqi's by the Hussein regime). Iran has been in a state of (undeclared) war with us since 1979.
I haven't forgotten that fact and after meeting with one of the hostages, my feelings against Iran went completely into a war footing.
But our best President, Ronald Reagan, just as our worst President (so far) Jimmy Carter, and Bush I and II and President Clinton regrettably didn't agree with me (yes, beleive it or not I wrote to Reagan and all the others except Carter).

* * *
Thank you for writing to our presidents about your concerns. Yes Iran has been our undeclared enemy since they committed acts of war against us & Jimmy Carter & others gave them a pass thanks to our post Vietnam reluctance to engage.

Saddam's 1990 invasion of Kuwait should have been a better opening to take him out forever, and teach Iran what this paper lion could do, but we wimped out. I never forgave Bush I for doing the UN's bidding, nor Colin Powell & his generals for letting Saddam live to fight another day.

We're in it now, we got to win it now, and give Iran a big black eye by letting fellow neighboring Shiites develop & prosper while Iran stays stuck on stupid. With Israel's help, we can finish Iran's terrorizing & export of terror. God knows we need all the brains we can muster on this world war, and long war.

Obama's campaign person is talking now, Former Congressman David Bonier (MI):

"O wants a compromise that will allow the DNC to preserve its nominating process and at the same time let Michigan delegates be seated."

Lots of resentment against IO and NH. They don't have enough AA, labor, etc. So NV and SC were added to the primary calendar.

Clinton told NH public radio that the MI primary would not count and her name was on the ballot so she didn't offend voters in MI.

Uncommitted -- he's trying to claim them -- 40% of total.
AA -- 68% for uncommitted
Youth voter -- 43% for uncommitted

"Obama voters were struggling to have their voices heard."

re: #211 hrhamilton

You should change your nic, Sir. Anonymity is important.
I loved the joke, by the way, but that's because I'm a hystorian.

UC Regents bylaws re: their standing committees. You want the Ed Policy committee.

UC Regents' meetings are public:

Members of the public are invited to address The Regents of the University of California whenever The Regents or any of its Committees meets in open session in accordance with the guidelines below. In addition, written communications to The Regents are always welcome.

I've heard people read statements at meetings like this. Not a problem. Gets into the record.

re: #169 hermeneutics

I showed the danish cartoons in class and my chair supported me. That was as gutsy as I get.

* * *
The Kefiyeh Kartoon Kerfuffle is also a teachable moment! You go, professor! Opening minds, how subversive in academia.

re: #221 Syrah

HI Syrah ... its good to see your nic again. Hope you are well.

There is no way that I could have spoken my mind about Islam. Yes, it was a fully-tenured position but they probably would have made me tenure track at a low-to-mid-level. I still think I did the right thing. I don't know enough.

re: #232 hermeneutics

You are going to laugh with this one, but I am a missiologist. It has to do with the Christian mission.

UC Regents policy affecting the MSA.

re: #237 hrhamilton

My FIL was a missionary with SIM. Started schools in Nigeria. Administrated the Billy Graham center at Wheaton College for a while.

Very familiar with missiology! Hope to know you better. First, though, please change the nic. Fast.

re: #220 victor_yugo

Isn't this weekend the Speling Beee finals?

The finals were on last night. It's so much fun to watch the kids spelling their hearts out.

I lost the audio for the meeting. Would Just Above Average do the summarizing for us?

re: #228 hrhamilton
I try, despite misspelling 'hermeneutics'. He/She seems to be quite intelligent...perhaps by design?

Lots of wind up here at 10,000 feet ... my connection is on and off. Must go.

Later, Lizards. Please watch the committee meeting so we can correct the MSM's distortions later.

re: #12 pat

Do college students have classes anymore?

Well it doesn't help when the Professors teach them the PC/moonbat version of US history, world History, etc.

re: #195 sattv4u2

Harold Ickes (pronounced ICKYs)(has anyone ever had a more appropriate last name) looks like a guy that you would buy black market VIAGRA from

(NOT that I know anything about that !)

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Ickes may be Icky but the Ickes are a "distinguished" democrat family going back to Franklin Delano Roosevelt's administration. There's even a "Roosevelt" involved in this DNC Kerfuffle right now. His name might be Kermit!

re: #241 hermeneutics

'Hermy' Sorry, even though I have nothing better to do, I can't stand watching this any more. I wish there was one more Celtics/Pistons game...that would be interesting. Oh wait, it's Saturday morning, there are cartoons to watch.

re: #236 hermeneutics

Oh well.

I would sure like to see some honest scholarship about Islam come out of the Islamic Studies Departments. I think that there would be an ironic justice in having Islam exposed for what it is with Saudi money.

re: #239 hermeneutics

I just went to change it and I could see no way to do that. Any suggestions?

If you would like to see my current location, shoot me an email and I will give you the web page.

re: #242 Just Above Average

Most likely she is quite intelligent. Puts us just above average guys to shame, doesn't it?

re: #224 MarineMomSue

how about "communion waffles and whine"...
that has a obama kind of ring to it

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Bless Father Pfleger, for he has sinned. And thank heaven he did it on tv, again and again and again, like the serial sinning swine he is! I hope Father Pfleger turns off lots of democrats who really believed democrats were better than that.

I pray the Catholic church grows some balls and defrocks this disgraceful excuse for a social worker and spiritual leader. Pfleger is not fit to be around children or innocents.

these moslem thugs, in the m.s.u. at u.c. irvine, are too loud, raucous, and demanding.
i have seen videos where they threaten and assault jewish and other students at events on campus..
someone is afraid to do their job at that university. afraid to confront these aggressive moslems. allowing this kind of intimidation to continue unbridled means it will only get worse.
these moslem trouble makers need a reality check. they need to be expelled. and even arrested and prosecuted for assault and hate crimes. let's turn the tables and pursue them w/ a vengeance. they are the wrong doers.
doing nothing in the face of this egregious behavior is like allowing the nazis to start rampaging in the '30's, w/ no push back at all.

re: #249 hrhamilton
Agreed. Occasionally, (every other day or so) I have an original thought

re: #252 Just Above Average

All my ideas are original. It's just that most of them are not reasonable.

re: #251 nyc redneck

these moslem thugs, in the m.s.u. at u.c. irvine, are too loud, raucous, and demanding.
i have seen videos where they threaten and assault jewish and other students at events on campus..
someone is afraid to do their job at that university. afraid to confront these aggressive moslems. allowing this kind of intimidation to continue unbridled means it will only get worse.
these moslem trouble makers need a reality check. they need to be expelled. and even arrested and prosecuted for assault and hate crimes. let's turn the tables and pursue them w/ a vengeance. they are the wrong doers.
doing nothing in the face of this egregious behavior is like allowing the nazis to start rampaging in the '30's, w/ no push back at all.

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You'd think California's Republican Governor Schwartzenegger, having been born in Austria the Heimat of Herr Adolf, would have some historical perspective on HOW totalitarians take over countries by democratic means at first, then become too powerful to overthrow.

You'd think Schwartzenegger might learn about Ronald Reagan's legacy in California, of opposing the infiltration by leftists of his actors' unions', Screen Actors Guild, and other unions. Opposing totalitarians was the right thing to do for acting, for California and for the USA. Certainly our schools should be freedom zones, not leftist gulags.

re: #241 hermeneutics

I lost the audio for the meeting. Would Just Above Average do the summarizing for us?

Status quo in convulsions might be a better description. This meeting is rapidy descending into chaos.

re: #253 hrhamilton

To change your nic, wait for an open registration. You may have to use a different email account - I can't remember. I changed my nic about two years ago.

re: #239 hermeneutics

Do you know the Oksnevads?

re: #254 alegrias

i agree, the failure of the authorities to do anything abt, this mess is infuriating. it's a hostile zone for students there. i know a hindu woman. she said to me once, 'it takes a hundred people to push back one moslem'. (this statement in regard to her families' homes in bangladesh that were just taken by moslems.) the growing problem at uc irvine reflects events in the greater world. aggressive islamists pushing everywhere and no one pushing back. the students who are being intimidated and abused at that university are 'civilized' and nice. the abusers are barbaric and crude. and those in control have abdicated their responsibility. this is a terrible breach in how our society is supposed to function. our laws and moral traditions are supposed to protect the innocent and weak. not cave to the savages.

re: #258 nyc redneck

i agree, the failure of the authorities to do anything abt, this mess is infuriating. it's a hostile zone for students there. i know a hindu woman. she said to me once, 'it takes a hundred people to push back one moslem'. (this statement in regard to her families' homes in bangladesh that were just taken by moslems.) the growing problem at uc irvine reflects events in the greater world. aggressive islamists pushing everywhere and no one pushing back. the students who are being intimidated and abused at that university are 'civilized' and nice. the abusers are barbaric and crude. and those in control have abdicated their responsibility. this is a terrible breach in how our society is supposed to function. our laws and moral traditions are supposed to protect the innocent and weak. not cave to the savages.

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Not too joke about the seriousness of things, but I'm enjoying feisty Geraldine Ferraro standing up to the "savages" trying to intimidate Hillary Clinton, at least on Fox News Cable interviews!

It's tragic that California which has two women senators and the First Female Speaker of the House, and emancipated achieving successful women in all levels of society, allows the most barbaric anti-woman culture to take root & thrive there. It's idiotic, head in the sand backwards, but passes for enlightened in their gated communities.

re: #31 zombie

Yes, though this has given me a bit of an idea -- an insight into why Irvine of all places.

Not to be an intellectual elitist or anything, just telling the facts:

If you're a top-flight admittee to the UC system, you get your choice of campuses to attend. Most choose UCLA or Berkeley for the prestige. The second-tier students might choose Santa Barbara, San Diego, and so on down the list.

Only those students who barely squeaked in to the UC system end up getting the dregs of the campuses, at Irvine.

So the Muslim students who are truly outstanding end up at the other campuses, where (for the most part) they just study for their engineering degrees and whatnot.

It's the ones who are disgruntled, and who feel slighted, and who aren't quite as sharp that end up at Irvine. So a culture of resentment has developed, and they've built that resentment into a political movement.

/It's an interesting theory, at least.

Come on stop making excuses or trying to rationalize a reason for hatred & bigotry. Lots of folks have been slighted or "mistreated in some way" Hate is hate pure and simple and Ass hats is ass hats.

re: #250 alegrias

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Bless Father Pfleger, for he has sinned. And thank heaven he did it on tv, again and again and again, like the serial sinning swine he is! I hope Father Pfleger turns off lots of democrats who really believed democrats were better than that.

I pray the Catholic church grows some balls and defrocks this disgraceful excuse for a social worker and spiritual leader. Pfleger is not fit to be around children or innocents.

I also think it's long past time for the church to have taken action against this guy. He has a long history of thumbing his nose at the warnings of Cardinal George to dial it down.

I was gone from the Chicago area about this time but if I recall correctly, years ago, there was a (lame) attempt to reassign Pfleger. Pfleger ginned up his parishioners to protest the reassignment. I assume in an attempt to quell a very public spat about it, the Chicago archdiocese backed down.

Maybe some of our current Chicago area residents can correct me, if I am 'misremembering' the events.

re: #261 MarineMomSue

Seriously, this guy acts like he's on crack. Or some form of cocaine, at the least.

Are these individuals American citizens, or are they actually foreigners who are in the USA on student visas? And if some of each, what is the split?

Don't taze me bro.

re: #9 zombie

Bizarre how it has turned into the hotspot for radicalism.

I would argue it isn't bizarre. UCI was targeted by jihadists precisely because it was a backwater, where they wouldn't be noticed until it was far too late to quickly and cheaply remove them.

re: #9 zombie

But Irvine? That was like exile to Siberia.

Bizarre how it has turned into the hotspot for radicalism.

Might be a good time to send the whole faculty, student body and crazy administration off to the real Siberia and build a refinery on the existing campus.re: #42 alegrias

Oops Delete 're:#42 alegrias' from the end my last post. My bad.

re: #201 alegrias

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If Obama invites Father Pfleger to sit in the Denver presidential box, Democrats will implode! Hillary's people will tear that priest into communion wafers & whine.

Funny! But while we're waiting for the show, maybe some sane Catholics could whisper the excommunication word to the Cardinal.

re: #168 savage_nation

Cause its IMPORTANT!

Some more RFK assassination trivia.

The lead prosecutor in the case was Lynn "Buck" Compton. More now know Buck Compton from the HBO series, Band of Brothers.

And of course, Sirhan Sirhan shot Kennedy because he supported Israel in the 1967 war (the assassination took place one year after the commencement of that war).

Symmetry can be strange.

re: #269 RickZ

Some more RFK assassination trivia.

The lead prosecutor in the case was Lynn "Buck" Compton. More now know Buck Compton from the HBO series, Band of Brothers.

And of course, Sirhan Sirhan shot Kennedy because he supported Israel in the 1967 war (the assassination took place one year after the commencement of that war).

Symmetry can be strange.

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Thank you for researching, I did not know this. I wish more Americans and liberals were aware radical palestinians murdered their 1968 icon, and held it against that radical ideology, instead of against their own country or NIXON for heaven's sake.