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 RetweetJimmy Carter 1976 Election Ad: Change!

Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 11:34:35 am PDT

One reason why this constant mantra of “CHANGE! HOPE!” is so irritating is that they’ve been peddling this snake oil for decades.

(Hat tip: Killgore.)

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1 Adrenalyn  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:35:12am

change the racist policies of the democrat party !

2 RedSoxNation  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:35:19am

Its like deja vu all over again...

3 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:35:35am

Is change still change if it hasn't changed?

4 SalsaNChips  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:35:59am

Is that "Meat Head" in the blue shirt and pants?

5 Adrenalyn  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:36:01am

wonder how many Holloywood idiots will be in the VIP section at the Nazicrat Party convention in Denver this year ?

6 joncelli  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:36:34am

At least BO doesn't have that stupid grin (I hated it when I was 12 and I STILL hate it!).

7 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:36:36am

Look out for the rabbit, dude!

8 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:37:18am

re: #4 SalsaNChips

Is that "Meat Head" in the blue shirt and pants?

Either him or Thurman Munson.

9 vxbush  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:37:25am

So is 1970's-style change the same as 21-st century style change?

10 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:37:26am

ACCURSED MOUNTEBANKS!

11 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:37:50am

Is Obama afraid of rabbits?

12 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:38:05am
13 WrathofG-d  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:38:12am

Is it just me or...

(a) does "Change we can believe in", make no sense,
(b) does "Change we can believe in" seem straight out of "1984".

14 kcladderman  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:38:16am

But that election turned out so well for the country


/

15 coquimbojoe  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:38:27am

Smack! That's gonna leave a mark!

16 Miss Molly  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:38:57am

Oh please not more of Jimmy Carter to listen to. We had 4 years of him already. Why won't he just quietly go away?

17 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:39:02am

Wow, a Ford Bronco and two old Saabs (96s) parked in the same lot!

18 Adrenalyn  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:39:16am

re: #12 savage_nation

I'd outlaw the fucking Democrat Party. Shut their asses up permanently.

indeed and agreed

but first, we have to get everyone to adopt their new name

"The Nazicrat Party"

19 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:39:19am

It's gonna be just peachy.

20 rawmuse  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:39:24am

The more things change...

21 WrathofG-d  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:39:49am

re: #18 Adrenalyn


Take it easy there boss...as bad as the Democrats might be/seem...they are VERY VERY VERY far from Nazis.

Don't be a dumbass.

22 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:39:50am

re: #20 rawmuse

The more things change...

How is that in French?

23 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:39:53am

re: #9 vxbush

So is 1970's-style change the same as 21-st century style change?

Except in the '70s, it was double knit.

24 jcm  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:40:11am

The more things *ahem* change, the more they stay the same.

Rabbit Bait surrendered to the Soviets and Iranians.

B. Hussein will do exactly the same thing.

25 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:40:16am

And the outcome would be the same too. Misery indexes, actual recession as opposed to the talked down economic growth we continue seeing despite the doom and gloomers, appeasement, and it's all the change you hope never to see again.

26 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:41:14am

Meanwhile, Barry was walking the beach, trying to score a lid.

27 Adrenalyn  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:41:41am

re: #21 WrathofG-d

Take it easy there boss...as bad as the Democrats might be/seem...they are VERY VERY VERY far from Nazis.

Don't be a dumbass.

I have to disagree
they are very totalitarian
first thing they want to do is confiscate guns
much like the Nazi's

and stifle dissent, much like the nazis

I know it may be a bit over the top to use such a strong label
but I truly feel they are worthy of it

28 zmdavid  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:42:01am

It's like the 1955 and 1985 mayoral campaigns from Back to the Future.

29 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:42:06am

re: #25 lawhawk

And the outcome would be the same too.


I think you're right. I'm getting ready to tighten my belt and survive the Obama presidency the best I can.

30 pegcity  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:42:20am

Is it weird that i feel naseous after watching that.

Like seriously i don't feel well.

31 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:42:22am

re: #25 lawhawk

And the outcome would be the same too. Misery indexes, actual recession as opposed to the talked down economic growth we continue seeing despite the doom and gloomers, appeasement, and it's all the change you hope never to see again.

Yep, double-digit interest rates, stagflation, you name it.

32 pegcity  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:43:05am

re: #31 Ward Cleaver

THE MUSTANG II !

33 Cowardkerry  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:43:29am

Change? Be careful what you wish for. My life is so horrid right now///

34 jorline  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:43:41am

What do Jimmy and Barry have in common?

One was a peanut farmer the other has a peanut brain...no wait, both have peanut brains.

One raises nuts the is nuts.

35 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:43:41am

re: #31 Ward Cleaver

Yep, double-digit interest rates, stagflation, you name it.

VIVA LA MALAISE!

36 Zach_the_Lizard  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:43:47am

What's all this talk of "change?" I don't want change. I want dollars, not pennies.

37 Adrenalyn  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:44:02am

re: #32 pegcity

THE MUSTANG II !

no, worse

The Pinto II
The Vega II
The K Car II

38 alegrias  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:44:29am

re: #29 Killgore Trout

I think you're right. I'm getting ready to tighten my belt and survive the Obama presidency the best I can.

* * *
Relax, a Carter II presidency tightens your belt for you!

No gas, no food, no 6% mortgages, no worries!

39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:44:54am

re: #37 Adrenalyn

no, worse

The Pinto II
The Vega II
The K Car II

The Gremlin II: The Next Batch

40 pegcity  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:45:00am

re: #37 Adrenalyn

hey there bring back the ford fiesta just in time for Obama to ruin the economy.

41 jorline  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:45:05am

re: #37 Adrenalyn

no, worse

The Pinto II
The Vega II
The K Car II


oh crap

42 WrathofG-d  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:45:09am

re: #27 Adrenalyn

I'm not going to go back & forth on this issue, as I couldn't disagree more with you on this issue. They are NOT Nazis, they are NOT even like Nazis, and in fact they have very little in common with Nazis. You are just going over the top with this one. Its like when the LLL compare Bush to Hitler...complete nonsense.

Sure there might be similarities, but that doesn't mean A+B =C. I drive a car, get up in the morning, put on pants, and comb my hair...but that doesn't make me Mario Andretti.

43 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:45:30am

re: #32 pegcity

THE MUSTANG II !

The Dodge Aspen (Rex Harrison singing, "Unbelievable") and Plymouth Volare!

The Ford Granada! "It looks like a Mercedes!"

44 MadJadBad  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:46:07am

I've been waiting all my life for change. Change in the SSI program ponzi scheme. Change in income tax regulations. Change in the government's energy policy. Change in the government's deficit spending. Basically, more common sense in government and less politics. (I can dream, can't I). I don't think any of the candidates are going to bring the kind of change I've been waiting for.

45 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:46:22am
46 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:46:33am

And don't forget the Chrysler Cordoba, with its rich Corinthian leather!

47 alegrias  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:46:37am

re: #40 pegcity

hey there bring back the ford fiesta just in time for Obama to ruin the economy.

* * *
And Ford Motors is opening a Fiesta factory in MEXICO just in time then.

(Seriously, it was in the news)

48 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:47:09am

It's amazing how many videos there are of snippetes from Obama's speeches set to music and beats.

Here's a remix of Sam Cooke's A Change is Gonna Come with Obama talkin' of "change" and "hope".

Scary stuff, cultish.

49 CIA Reject  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:47:28am

re: #37 Adrenalyn

no, worse

The Pinto II
The Vega II
The K Car II

The Plymouth Volare

/'nuf said...

50 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:47:33am

re: #47 alegrias

* * *
And Ford Motors is opening a Fiesta factory in MEXICO just in time then.

(Seriously, it was in the news)

Fiestas were great rat-racers.

51 Dahveed  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:47:59am

They may pedal this "Hope-Change" message. They problem is that there are so many that buy the message. There are so many that want to change the United States so much that we will end of looking like France.

52 DownRightMeanAmerican  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:48:00am

re: #42 WrathofG-d

I'm not going to go back & forth on this issue, as I couldn't disagree more with you on this issue. They are NOT Nazis, they are NOT even like Nazis, and in fact they have very little in common with Nazis. You are just going over the top with this one. Its like when the LLL compare Bush to Hitler...complete nonsense.

Sure there might be similarities, but that doesn't mean A+B =C. I drive a car, get up in the morning, put on pants, and comb my hair...but that doesn't make me Mario Andretti.

But a guy can pretend on his way to work, cant he?

/

53 Adrenalyn  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:48:12am

re: #46 Ward Cleaver

And don't forget the Chrysler Cordoba, with its rich Corinthian leather!

you forgot to channel Ricardo Montalban...

54 CIA Reject  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:48:22am

re: #43 Ward Cleaver

re: #49 CIA Reject

GMTA!

55 jorline  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:48:31am

re: #43 Ward Cleaver


The Ford Granada! "It looks like a Mercedes!"

My parents had a Granada...double crap.

Don't forget the American Motors Pacer.

56 yochanan  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:48:37am

some one should put this one up on t.v. and not just u-tube

BEEN THERE DONE THAT.

Nothing is new under the sun. esp in politics.

57 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:48:37am

re: #53 Adrenalyn

you forgot to channel Ricardo Montalban...

"KHAAAN!"

58 jcm  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:48:46am

re: #43 Ward Cleaver

The Dodge Aspen (Rex Harrison singing, "Unbelievable") and Plymouth Volare!

The Ford Granada! "It looks like a Mercedes!"

I had a Volare. It was sitting on the lot next to a Mustang Mach I at the same price. Insurance was the killer. Body and and interior went to shit, the 225CID slant six ran forever.

59 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:49:07am

re: #53 Adrenalyn

you forgot to channel Ricardo Montalban...

You look mahvelous!

60 Izzy Dunne  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:49:11am

re: #42 WrathofG-d

I drive a car, get up in the morning, put on pants, and comb my hair...


Have you considered doing those things in a different order?

61 alegrias  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:49:17am

re: #50 Ward Cleaver

Fiestas were great rat-racers.

* * *
This is excellent news for Mexican workers, able to work on Ford Fiestas in their own country, just as people want cheap cars that use less fuel. Change!

62 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:49:27am

re: #55 jorline

The Ford Granada! "It looks like a Mercedes!"

My parents had a Granada...double crap.

Don't forget the American Motors Pacer.

And the Granada's sibling, the Mercury Monarch. More crap.

63 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:49:56am
64 Silhouette  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:49:57am

Carter had nothing to run on except he was "not Nixon", which he claimed Ford was.

Likewise, Obama-of-the-short-resume is running on "not Bush", thus "change." BUT, he is also "not Clinton", thus change "you can believe in."

Because even their fans know the Clintons are liars.

65 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:50:08am

re: #58 jcm

I had a Volare. It was sitting on the lot next to a Mustang Mach I at the same price. Insurance was the killer. Body and and interior went to shit, the 225CID slant six ran forever.

Volare', whoa-oh-oh-oh!

66 zmdavid  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:50:12am

re: #38 alegrias

* * *
Relax, a Carter II presidency tightens your belt for you!

No gas, no food, no 6% mortgages, no worries!


Sounds like the closing theme of Gilligan's Island

No phone, no lights no motor cars, not a single luxury, like Robinson Crusoe, as primitive as can be.
67 tokyobk  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:50:15am

Obama could be the worst of Clinton, Carter with a Kennedy veneer.

68 The Other Les  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:50:16am

re: #21 WrathofG-d

Take it easy there boss...as bad as the Democrats might be/seem...they are VERY VERY VERY far from Nazis.

Don't be a dumbass.

You have to look at the foundation of their ideologies and attitudes.

Adolf Hitler and the National Socialist German Worker's Party are the crazy relatives that the present day Left goes to great effort to avoid talking about.

The pragmatic brand of socialist (as opposed to the doctrinaire Marxist) will strike the pose that will have the most appeal in the target audience's minds. Thus in Germany, where the army was traditionally held in the highest esteem, the NSDAP assumed in public the form of a substitute army (ersatzarmee) with a mass of clean-cut men in spiffy uniforms marching about in disciplined formations. In the United States, where the standing military was traditionally looked upon with suspicion if not ridicule, the Left rejected the militarist paradigm. Unfortunately (for them, not necessarily for us), they assumed the form of what decent people came to call dirty-stinking hippies, a mob of unwashed savages attired in cast-off or otherwise ridiculous clothing who moved about in a sloppy mass.

The American Left in its manifestation as the Anti-war Movement had in effect taken on the modern form of a barbarian horde. But given that Socialism is essentially barbarian brigandage in modernistic makeup, why should we be surprised?

69 alegrias  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:51:01am

re: #62 Ward Cleaver

And the Granada's sibling, the Mercury Monarch. More crap.

* * *
You lizards trying to lose Michigan again, or in the general election, by offending our autoworking voters?

Sheeesh.

70 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:51:32am

re: #58 jcm

I had a Volare. It was sitting on the lot next to a Mustang Mach I at the same price. Insurance was the killer. Body and and interior went to shit, the 225CID slant six ran forever.

I used to see a Volare around here recently, a clean low mileage one. Torsion bars in the front, leaf springs in the rear. Chryslers were high tech then. Not.

71 The Other Les  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:51:40am

re: #62 Ward Cleaver

And the Granada's sibling, the Mercury Monarch. More crap.

I had a Monarch. It was truly a piece of crap.

72 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:51:47am

re: #58 jcm

I had a Volare. It was sitting on the lot next to a Mustang Mach I at the same price. Insurance was the killer. Body and and interior went to shit, the 225CID slant six ran forever.

My Dad bought a '76 Volare station wagon brand new. The DAY he brought it home, I spent 2-3 hours in it running the interior panel screws in all the way.

It was the shortest-lived car ever in our family (replacing a 14 year old Pontiac Catalina Gran Safari), and only made it to 1979 to be replaced with a Datsun B210.

73 CIA Reject  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:52:23am

re: #65 redstateredneck

Volare', whoa-oh-oh-oh!

And, of course - Newbomb Turk!

74 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:52:33am

re: #50 Ward Cleaver

Fiestas were great rat-racers.

mr redstateredneck has a Ford Fiesta he uses for a delivery vehicle. It's painted with Chrome-Illusion flip flop paint.

75 loppyd  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:52:47am

re: #63 Iron Fist

,

Don't forget price controls, gas lines, hostages in Iran (new and improved with Nukes!). And this is just if Obama does what he has promised he will do. It could get worse. Imagine if the Senate goes 60+ Democrats.

No check on Power except for the Supreme Court. And not even that if the right Justices are replaced. Carter II: revenge of the L³eft.

Good Lord.

That gave me a headache!

I think I'll go home now.

76 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:52:58am

re: #72 OldLineTexan

My Dad bought a '76 Volare station wagon brand new. The DAY he brought it home, I spent 2-3 hours in it running the interior panel screws in all the way.

It was the shortest-lived car ever in our family (replacing a 14 year old Pontiac Catalina Gran Safari), and only made it to 1979 to be replaced with a Datsun B210.

The auto unions seemed to enjoy making crappy cars.

77 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:53:09am

re: #55 jorline

The Ford Granada! "It looks like a Mercedes!"

My parents had a Granada...double crap.

Don't forget the American Motors Pacer.

AMC Pacer, the wide small car. You still see some super low mileage originals for sale on eBay occasionally.

78 rawmuse  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:53:46am

I once owned an AMC Pacer. But, I don't think much of it. I used to vote Democrat also.

79 yochanan  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:53:51am

re: #27 Adrenalyn

I will have to agree the use of the term Nazi or fascist in america has cheapened its real meaning. No American President of eather party was or is a nazi. it is meaningless use of this term that distorts it true meaning.

there have been blood thuristy mass murderes in our time, pol pot, saddam, mao and a few others but none of them are American.

one can completley or mostly disagree with the current crop of democrats or republicans without going into this swamp.

I know what the real nazi's, stalinists, and ottoman islmo facists really were because of the blood spilled in my family.

80 jorline  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:54:00am

re: #77 Ward Cleaver

AMC Pacer, the wide small car. You still see some super low mileage originals for sale on eBay occasionally.


The bubble car...crap!

81 eff plus  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:54:03am

He looks downright satanic in that end shot

82 Ma Sands  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:54:05am

Hmmm... "Change"" --another thing that Obama has "borrowed"...

83 WrathofG-d  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:54:21am

re: #64 Silhouette

Seriously, what in the world does; "Change You Can Believe In" mean?

84 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:54:23am

re: #74 redstateredneck

mr redstateredneck has a Ford Fiesta he uses for a delivery vehicle. It's painted with Chrome-Illusion flip flop paint.

Wicked. Not to be confused with the Ford Festiva, which was a Mazda design (the Mazda 121), built by Kia.

85 wolfie  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:54:42am

I have neighbors who are card-carrying Democrats. They say they will sit out the election or maybe even vote for McCain if Obama is nominated. Their daughter, who is usually a bit less left-wing than they are, is an Obama supporter.
The difference?
The parents remember Jimmy Carter. The daughter is too young.

86 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:54:51am

re: #52 DownRightMeanAmerican

But a guy can pretend on his way to work, cant he?

/


Wrath, I agree with you. I find it beyond offensive when people decide to call others they don't like Nazis. Democrats are not Nazis and I even am offended by someone suggesting that the Democratic party be outlawed. This is America and half of our population are not Nazis. My father and my uncles fought in WWII - they knew(all passed on now) what the Nazis were about and what they did- even more so because we are Jewish. I guess the person who started this really doesn't know what the Nazis did- or is not affected by it enough to refrain from throwing the word "Nazi" around.

87 alegrias  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:54:51am

re: #76 debutaunt

The auto unions seemed to enjoy making crappy cars.

* * *
We should give equal credit to the bad car designs.

88 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:55:19am

Ugh, nightmare of nightmares, it's Dhimmi Carter.

OT: Has anyone here gotten a call from a place called "Fortress Credit" asking you to authorize a $10,000 credit limit? They have one of those 877 numbers and called me about 1/2 hour ago. As I am on the Do-Not-Call List, I just reported them so they can be investigated.

It was very odd, as I've never filled out any paperwork for them.

/I think it's a scam.

89 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:55:21am

In a related note, the Warner-Lieberman is going to impose a whole new level of pain in the name of "green". Yet another indoctrination into the cult of eco-nonsense. Carbon trading is a scam, and anyone with a pulse should recognize that it's Enron writ large.

Of course, since it's a government imposed program, it's here to help you. Help you to lighten your wallet and paycheck, all while making it far more expensive to do just about anything.

And where will all that money go? Into the black hole of government accountability.

90 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:55:25am

re: #83 WrathofG-d

Seriously, what in the world does; "Change You Can Believe In" mean?

I'm guessing it will turn out to be a new and improved style of communism.

91 Adrenalyn  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:55:29am

re: #42 WrathofG-d

well, I'll try to keep a lid on it

but there are many similarities than perhaps you think of right this second, that I observe

racial policies - being a white hetero male, is getting to be as bad as being Juden in old Germany
media control - see ABC,NBC, CBS, PBS, NPR, Gannett, NYTimes Co.
etc..
gun control - self explanatory
forced labor - we pay taxes for their wild spending (a stretch...I agree)
government contract preferences - white male businesses need not apply, like Joo businesses
killing joos - let Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Gaza wipe out Israel

there are some similarites - in my opinion

92 loppyd  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:55:29am

We had a VW Bug and a Chevy Nova...

The bug had pleather seats and a crank sunroof.

93 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:55:42am

re: #80 jorline

The bubble car...crap!

Lots of glass, which required a big-ass air conditioner.

94 alegrias  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:56:03am

re: #83 WrathofG-d

Seriously, what in the world does; "Change You Can Believe In" mean?

* * *
It's like a rock lyric, or a market tested brand, that makes people swoon.

It's conditioning, you're supposed to feel better about those WORDS THAT WORK.

95 cookielady  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:56:11am

The Democrat Party has Changed so much that the old-style dems can't recognize it. It has moved steadily and stealthily leftward and left the sensible democrats behind. They have moved reluctantly toward the Republican Party, which has been pulled leftward by their influence. Today's Repubs are much like yesterday's Dems. And us conservatives are left behind by all parties.

Change! Let the Obamalaise begin...

96 joncelli  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:56:21am

re: #46 Ward Cleaver

Nonono, it's pronounced "Reech Coreeenthian layther." (Khaaan!)

97 beblebrox  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:57:03am

re: #58 jcm

To this day i will never forgive my parents back in the 80's for selling a mint condition 1968 Mustang that had been replaced with a new car exactly 1 month before i got my drivers permit. this was back 1984. my mom had been driving it as the family car for years, the only problem with it was it had a rain leak coming through that grate between the wipers. my dad at the time said that it wasn't worth fixing "a 16 year old pile of junk" and told me that I didn't really want the car.

/still resentful.

98 tfc3rid  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:57:06am

re: #85 wolfie

I have neighbors who are card-carrying Democrats. They say they will sit out the election or maybe even vote for McCain if Obama is nominated. Their daughter, who is usually a bit less left-wing than they are, is an Obama supporter.
The difference?
The parents remember Jimmy Carter. The daughter is too young.

I think that is a big key to why Obama is so successful amonfg the college-age crowd... No recall of the disaster that was Jimmy Carter...

99 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:57:24am

re: #87 alegrias

* * *
We should give equal credit to the bad car designs.

Equal credit to design and crappy manufacture. A perfect plan to lose our top standing.

100 Adrenalyn  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:57:32am

Cadillac Cimmaron
anyone get that wonderful car yet
a Malibu dolled up as a Caddy

101 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:57:37am

re: #83 WrathofG-d

Seriously, what in the world does; "Change You Can Believe In" mean?

Who the hell knows, but damn(!) don't it make you feel good?

102 zmdavid  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:57:50am

re: #83 WrathofG-d

Seriously, what in the world does; "Change You Can Believe In" mean?

Before the election, it means whatever the voter wants it to mean, after the election, it means whatever Obama wants it to mean.

103 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:57:51am

re: #87 alegrias

We should give equal credit to the bad car designs.

Very true. And, we should also remember that most of the cars from then were hit or miss. I mean, how many 1970s Civics still ply the highways?

104 jorline  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:58:01am

re: #92 loppyd

We had a VW Bug and a Chevy Nova...

The bug had pleather seats and a crank sunroof.


what about the VW Thing...crapola

105 Ma Sands  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:58:04am

re: #88 Honorary Yooper

Either that, or they must be pretty new...

106 alegrias  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:58:14am

re: #92 loppyd

We had a VW Bug and a Chevy Nova...

The bug had pleather seats and a crank sunroof.

* * *
Lucky you! Everyone wanted to ride in those bugs with sunroofs--Schiebedachs in german.

107 tripster  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:58:24am

Does this mean that my pair of baby blue angel flights are back in fashion?

Ssswwweeettt !

That and a groovy polyester long sleeve with a bitching long collar.

Man I'm so getting some at the club later.

108 loppyd  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:58:45am

In AIPAC Speech, McCain Hits Obama on Iran, Iraq

SNIP


WASHINGTON – Senator John McCain of Arizona used a speech to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the pro-Israel lobby, to lambaste Senator Barack Obama on two fronts: he charged that Mr. Obama’s calls for diplomacy with Iran were misguided and insufficient, and that his proposal to begin withdrawing United States troops from Iraq would lead to chaos in the region and endanger Israel.

“The Iranians have spent years working toward a nuclear program,’’ Mr. McCain was to say, according to excerpts from the speech provided by his campaign. “And the idea that they now seek nuclear weapons because we refuse to engage in presidential-level talks is a serious misreading of history,’’ he added, noting that previous overtures by the Clinton administration had failed.

“Even so, we hear talk of a meeting with the Iranian leadership offered up as if it were some sudden inspiration, a bold new idea that somehow nobody has ever thought of before,’’ he said in the advance text of his speech, which was provided by his campaign.

109 tfc3rid  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:59:02am

My family had a 1973 Ford Maverick when I was growing up...

It was stolen from in front of my home in 1993...

110 RTLM  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:59:03am

Obama, Carter and Iran's foreign minister all agree.

“The American people need change”

111 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:59:21am

re: #91 Adrenalyn

Sorry, I don't agree and I find it offensive that you continue this line. Dislike the policies, hate the people- but I am positive you won't find yourself being killed or your children or parents killed and half of your "people" being destroyed. Please drop it-now.

112 loppyd  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:59:29am

re: #104 jorline

what about the VW Thing...crapola

actually, it outlasted the Nova...

113 funkyfantom  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:59:40am

re: #64 Silhouette

Carter had nothing to run on except he was "not Nixon", which he claimed Ford was.

Likewise, Obama-of-the-short-resume is running on "not Bush", thus "change." BUT, he is also "not Clinton", thus change "you can believe in."

Because even their fans know the Clintons are liars.

To complete the picture - Obama's general election campaign will be based on labeling McCain as 'Bush" because Bush's poll numbers are low nowadays, just like Ford was "Nixon".

114 chinesearithmetic  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:59:41am

Seriously, what in the world does; "Change You Can Believe In" mean?

I live in the East, but I think it's a variation of the jingle for Heileman's Old Style beer.

115 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 11:59:46am
116 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:00:01pm

re: #100 Adrenalyn

Cadillac Cimmaron
anyone get that wonderful car yet
a Malibu dolled up as a Caddy

Baby Caddy.

117 yochanan  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:00:17pm

re: #86 madisonsfriend

Wrath, I agree with you. I find it beyond offensive when people decide to call others they don't like Nazis. Democrats are not Nazis and I even am offended by someone suggesting that the Democratic party be outlawed. This is America and half of our population are not Nazis. My father and my uncles fought in WWII - they knew(all passed on now) what the Nazis were about and what they did- even more so because we are Jewish. I guess the person who started this really doesn't know what the Nazis did- or is not affected by it enough to refrain from throwing the word "Nazi" around.

I AM IN 100% AGREEMENT WITH YOU IT ANGERS ME WHEN MOONBATS DO THIS TO AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT AND IT IS WRONG TO DO IT TO THE DEMS AS WELL. IT CLEARLY SHOWS A TOTAL LACK OF KNOWAGE WHAT THE REAL NAZIS WERE.

the current crop of democrats are very much like the european social democrats, the canadian liberal, green party and/or NDP. and one can disagree with them with out going into a DINGBAT/MOONBAT SWAMP.

118 tfc3rid  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:00:20pm

re: #113 funkyfantom

To complete the picture - Obama's general election campaign will be based on labeling McCain as 'Bush" because Bush's poll numbers are low nowadays, just like Ford was "Nixon".

Yes and it just might be a winning tactic...

119 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:00:25pm

re: #106 alegrias

* * *
Lucky you! Everyone wanted to ride in those bugs with sunroofs--Schiebedachs in german.

I had a '64 with a canvas covered sunroof. Some of the snaps were broken and it flapped in the breeze. Snowed inside the car too.
Bummer.

120 jorline  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:00:26pm

re: #93 Ward Cleaver

Lots of glass, which required a big-ass air conditioner.


parents had several Ramblers as well...no wonder I'm so screwed-up now...my whole childhood was spent in crappy cars.

121 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:00:30pm

re: #6 joncelli

At least BO doesn't have that stupid grin (I hated it when I was 12 and I STILL hate it!).

We must be about the same age. My house was in love with his grin. Including me. Was such a change from what I had seen before.

Thought he looked like a fun guy. Gosh, glad I grew up.

122 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:00:31pm

re: #101 redstateredneck

Oh. I thought it was "chains you can believe in"- a goth thing.

123 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:00:42pm

re: #100 Adrenalyn

Cadillac Cimmaron
anyone get that wonderful car yet
a Malibu dolled up as a Caddy

It was a J-car (Chevy Cavalier). Cadillac's still trying to live that one down.

124 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:01:27pm

re: #109 tfc3rid

My family had a 1973 Ford Maverick when I was growing up...

It was stolen from in front of my home in 1993...

I had a '71 Maverick when I was first married. It was 7 years old then.

125 jorline  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:01:33pm

re: #112 loppyd

actually, it outlasted the Nova...


LOL

126 loppyd  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:01:50pm

re: #106 alegrias

* * *
Lucky you! Everyone wanted to ride in those bugs with sunroofs--Schiebedachs in german.

I really loved that car.

127 tfc3rid  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:01:51pm

It's an advertisement for the US Mint...

The US Mint: Change You Can Believe In!

128 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:01:52pm

re: #78 rawmuse

I once owned an AMC Pacer. But, I don't think much of it. I used to vote Democrat also.

I thought of buying one used years ago. But when I put it in drive, it wouldn't go. Went fine in reverse.
Didn't buy it.

129 ethanxxx  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:02:10pm

The progressive left has been throwing the accusation of "NAZI" at the republicans for years. There isn't a Damn thing wrong with throwing it back at them. The majority of these historically challenged fools no nothing about Nazism, most don't even know that the word means National Socialist... the exact goal of their own party. In my educated opinion, the only other organization that comes close to paralleling the Nazi Party besides Democrats would be Islam, which is probably why they are such close allies.

130 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:02:19pm

My parents even had a ceramic peanut with that grin on it. Sat on their what-not shelf for years. Think it got broken. Accidently, I'm sure.

131 loppyd  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:02:41pm

re: #124 redstateredneck

I had a '71 Maverick when I was first married. It was 7 years old then.

My auntie had a Maverick. I was riding in it in Maine when they announced that Elvis was dead.

132 wolfie  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:02:48pm

re: #95 cookielady

The Democrat Party has Changed so much that the old-style dems can't recognize it. It has moved steadily and stealthily leftward and left the sensible democrats behind. They have moved reluctantly toward the Republican Party, which has been pulled leftward by their influence. Today's Repubs are much like yesterday's Dems. And us conservatives are left behind by all parties.

Change! Let the Obamalaise begin...

That's a fine, insightful summary of US political trends, IMO.

133 WrathofG-d  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:02:53pm

re: #91 Adrenalyn

Hey nothing personal against you, I just suggest you read the other posters on this topic: Yochanan, Madisonsfriend, etc.

Although there are are many reasons not to like agree or like Democrats, your comparrison of them to the Nazis, belittles the TRUE horror of what the Nazis were and did. Go to a Holocaust/WW2 memorial site, look at the pictures of the dead people, the concentration camps, the outlawing of religions/people, the terrorism on the street...then see if you really want to compare the Democrat party to the Nazis.

If you still do...then...I really don't know what to tell you. I guess read my Mario Andretti analogy over & over again until it makes sense.

134 maddogg  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:03:01pm

Some nightmares are recurring.

135 tfc3rid  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:03:06pm

re: #131 loppyd

My auntie had a Maverick. I was riding in it in Maine when they announced that Elvis was dead.

Who's Elvis?

/

136 alegrias  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:03:11pm

re: #99 debutaunt

Equal credit to design and crappy manufacture. A perfect plan to lose our top standing.

* * *

Michigan's problem (like democrats') was expecting the proletariat to keep buying poorly designed, crappily manufactured products, AS IF there weren't competitition available.

ONE United Auto Workers
ONE national healthcareprovider
ONE national teachersunion
ONE green global climate administration

They were shocked, shocked, anyone came up with better products for less $$.

137 Ma Sands  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:03:16pm

re: #124 redstateredneck

Aw, shucks...and here I'd always thought you were a lot younger than me... :)

138 Silhouette  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:03:22pm

re: #109 tfc3rid

My family had a 1973 Ford Maverick when I was growing up...

It was stolen from in front of my home in 1993...

I guarantee you it is still running.

My good bud in high school had one, and her parents said she could get a new car as soon as that one wore out.

You. Cannot. Kill. Them.

We tried.

139 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:04:13pm

re: #138 Silhouette

Sugar in the gas tank?

140 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:04:15pm

re: #37 Adrenalyn

no, worse

The Pinto II
The Vega II
The K Car II

I had a Vega, along with a couple of friends who had the same model-year. WORST CAR EVER MADE. All of our cars died beyond repair within 4 weeks of each other, approximately 3 years to the date after purchase.

141 razorbacker  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:04:19pm

That could be me on the right of that picture. Except the hair isn't long enough. And I don't see either a beer or doobie. Never mind, it probably isn't me circa 1976.

Ol' Jimmah Cahtah was a trickster, he was. I actually voted for him in '76. In my defense, it was only my second time to vote for POTUS, and that Nixon vote didn't seem to have worked out so well. JC sure enough brought change. A recession and inflation at the same time, dayum who woulda thought that possible. Chunk a decades long ally to the wolves in favor of a radical Mussulman cleric, which didn't work out so well for the sovereign territory of the US embassy. Asking your middle school daughter about what to do with all those nasty nukes, worked fine (for a fool). Lusting in his heart, and then not having enough sense not to mention it to Playboy. Gas lines and shortages. Chased down by a killer rabbit (did Monty Python steal that bit?). I don't blame JC for Billy, but who would have guessed that Billy would turn out to be the smarter Carter?

But I remember ol' JC alright. A Navy man, a nuclear scientist (not really), farmer, governor, salt-of-the-earth type guy.

And a moonbat. A barking, raving, howling-at-the-moon type bat. Kinda like the pale glimmer of the coming Obama.

142 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:04:23pm

re: #131 loppyd

My auntie had a Maverick. I was riding in it in Maine when they announced that Elvis was dead.

The timing is about the same. Elvis died the summer I was married!
Got the car the next spring.

143 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:04:26pm

re: #128 Kosh's Shadow

I thought of buying one used years ago. But when I put it in drive, it wouldn't go. Went fine in reverse.
Didn't buy it.

That's too funny! Last week a carload of high school kids drove by my house in reverse.

144 zmdavid  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:04:33pm

I think they're more likely to bring back the Maverick if McCain gets elected.

145 Mardukhai  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:04:35pm

I met Jimmy in '76 at the Young Democrats Convention in St. Louis. I thought he was an amiable nobody.

I was right about the latter, wrong about the former. Or maybe he's just a crazy old man.

146 Spider Mensch  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:04:43pm

one thing of the seventies I remember fondly...you could balance pencils on those babies...

[Link: www.blog.speculist.com...]

147 Ma Sands  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:04:57pm

re: #135 tfc3rid

I've gone to his cousin's concerts, twice-annually, lately...pretty good music... :)

148 WrathofG-d  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:05:05pm

re: #90 debutaunt

re: #102 zmdavid

re: #101 redstateredneck

I should ask a LLL friend of mine...i'll go do that now. I'd love to know what those who put it on their car think it means. (this could be very interesting).

be back with an answer.

149 wolfie  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:05:09pm

re: #89 lawhawk

Occasionally lizards will call Carter senile. He is not. He's always been a dimwit.
John Warner, on the other hand, has definitely lost a good chunk of gray matter, not to mention testosterone.

150 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:05:19pm

re: #130 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My parents even had a ceramic peanut with that grin on it. Sat on their what-not shelf for years. Think it got broken. Accidently, I'm sure.

I'm sorry - I broke it.

151 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:05:25pm

re: #137 Ma Sands

Aw, shucks...and here I'd always thought you were a lot younger than me... :)

Ma, we'se young at heart!

152 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:05:27pm

re: #12 savage_nation

Oooo, Savage... Tell us how you really feel! LOL.

153 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:05:36pm
154 tfc3rid  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:05:59pm

re: #138 Silhouette

I guarantee you it is still running.

My good bud in high school had one, and her parents said she could get a new car as soon as that one wore out.

You. Cannot. Kill. Them.

We tried.

It's probably being used as a taxi in Venezuela...

155 Ma Sands  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:06:09pm

re: #151 redstateredneck

Amen to that! :)

156 Opinionated  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:06:23pm

Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

And they are really really stupid.

157 ccrnyc  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:06:28pm

In the end, all I want, is the outcome to be the same as it was in 1980, a resounding Republican victory.

158 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:06:53pm

"Someone please make it stop!"
George Costanza

159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:07:14pm

re: #150 debutaunt

Don't be sorry. I am quite sure you didn't break it.

160 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:07:16pm

re: #157 ccrnyc

In the end, all I want, is the outcome to be the same as it was in 1980, a resounding Republican victory.

Amen to that!

161 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:07:24pm

re: #104 jorline

re: #129 ethanxxx

The progressive left has been throwing the accusation of "NAZI" at the republicans for years. There isn't a Damn thing wrong with throwing it back at them. The majority of these historically challenged fools no nothing about Nazism, most don't even know that the word means National Socialist... the exact goal of their own party. In my educated opinion, the only other organization that comes close to paralleling the Nazi Party besides Democrats would be Islam, which is probably why they are such close allies.

Sorry, but did your mommy ever say " if your friend jumped off the roof, would you?" It is wrong no matter who does it.

162 tfc3rid  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:07:31pm

re: #144 zmdavid

I think they're more likely to bring back the Maverick if McCain gets elected.

Speaking of that... Ever since he became the GOP Nominee, I haven't heard that term used to describe Senator McCain at all...

Hmmm... Wonder why that is?

163 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:07:49pm

Here's why Obama is loved by the young:

Young adults experience news fatigue from being inundated by facts and updates and have trouble accessing in-depth stories, according to a study to be unveiled at a global media conference Monday.


Read the whole thing.
"Change" and "Hope" ? Cool.
What's that other dude saying? Man, that takes too long to listen to.
/young idiot mode off

164 loppyd  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:07:55pm

re: #142 redstateredneck

The timing is about the same. Elvis died the summer I was married!
Got the car the next spring.

I was nine years shy of driving legally.

165 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:08:04pm

re: #120 jorline

parents had several Ramblers as well...no wonder I'm so screwed-up now...my whole childhood was spent in crappy cars.

We had a Rambler, a '66 American 440 4-door, with the 232 2-barrel "Torque Command" six, with 155 screaming horsepower. And the crappy Borg-Warner automatic. The factory air conditioner (semi-underdash) had the "Desert Only" setting on the thermostat knob, which we always put it on. Ironically the styling holds up better than the '66 Nova, Falcon, or Valiant.

God only knows how I managed to pass parallel parking on my driving test in that car, with its manual steering and 6-1/2 turns lock-to-lock. I had never parallel parked the thing before, and did my behind-the-wheel in a automatic Datsun B-210.

166 alegrias  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:08:17pm

re: #144 zmdavid

I think they're more likely to bring back the Maverick if McCain gets elected.

* * *
You may be right, McCain mostly drives American cars.

His 96-year old mother is the one with the red BMW, Jaguar before that, Mercedes another time...

167 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:09:04pm

re: #105 Ma Sands

Either that, or they must be pretty new...

Well, 1. I am on the Do-Not-Call List, and they're not supposed to call me. 2. When I hit "0" for the operator, the phone call suddenly ended.

Hence why I think it's not legit.

168 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:09:08pm

re: #163 Kosh's Shadow

Here's why Obama is loved by the young:

Read the whole thing.
"Change" and "Hope" ? Cool.
What's that other dude saying? Man, that takes too long to listen to.
/young idiot mode off

My 18 year old says she gets car sick if she rides with me and I have news or talk radio on.

169 tfc3rid  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:09:11pm

re: #163 Kosh's Shadow

Understanding the reasons why the IslamoFascists want to kill us just takes too much time...

Back to Grand Theft Auto IV!

170 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:09:29pm

re: #145 Mardukhai

I met Jimmy in '76 at the Young Democrats Convention in St. Louis. I thought he was an amiable nobody.

I was right about the latter, wrong about the former. Or maybe he's just a crazy old man.

Unfortunately, crazy old men can cause a lot of trouble. Jimmy and his "noble elders" are a bunch of crazy coots.

171 Silhouette  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:09:39pm

It means what it means. Change means not the Bushs or Clintons, who have been in the WH for 18 years.

"that you can believe in" is playing off the Clinton impeachment for lying and the "Bush lied" meme.

Obama's slogan is about what he is not, not what he is.

172 tfc3rid  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:09:47pm

re: #167 Honorary Yooper

Well, 1. I am on the Do-Not-Call List, and they're not supposed to call me. 2. When I hit "0" for the operator, the phone call suddenly ended.

Hence why I think it's not legit.

I doubt it is legit...

173 yochanan  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:09:51pm

If anything todays democrats are more like NEVILE CHAMBERLAIN than hitler in there defeatism, appeasement and isolationism. and frankly obama foolishness will allow the Iranians mullahs to get and try to use a nuke. John McCain gets that and if that were the only reason i agreed with John it would be enough for me to support him. no point to use the Nazi or nazicrat baloney, it belittles what my wife's and my step fathers families went through. SO PLEASE STOP IT.

174 zombie  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:10:16pm

Tech question for anyone who knows about these things:

This is a problem that has been driving me nuts for years, and I've never found a solution. It has to do with video editing.

I take a video with my digital camera. Upload to my computer. It's in "AVI" format. I want to upload it to YouTube. However, there is (for example) a three-second part at the end of the minute-long video that I want o chop off (because the camera jiggles or a car horn honks or something like that).

Is there any way to just "lop it off" while maintaining the format and file size?

Up until now, I've been using "iMovie" which comes with Macs. I "import" the video clip to iMovie, and I can lop off the last three seconds easily enough. But then my problem arises. iMovie doesn't alter the original movie file: it creates a new one. What I do is choose "export" or "share" (depending on which version of iMovie you use), and then one must select from a bewildering variety of options to export a new video -- with those last three seconds lopped off. I choose "Expert Settings" and then can export back to an AVI file easily enough. But here's the problem: The resulting video is always LOWER quality and yet MUCH LARGER file size.

Furthermore, I've experimented with all of the various formats and options iMovie allows you to export to, and they all present some sort of problem: either YouTube won't accept the format, or it creates a video with a gigantic file size, or it's low-quality, or a combination of those three. I've tried just about every possible export-format that iMovie has, and determined that "AVI" format with "Cinepak" compression is the best compromise: YouTube accepts it, the file size is only moderately huge, and the quality is slightly better than unacceptable.

But why must this be so? Isn't there a way to simply chop off the last three seconds without having to totally degrade the video quality and make a huge file? Seems like such a simple request. Shouldn't I end up with a video with a smaller file size, since it's shorter? But I've never found a program that can do that. I just want to take a pair of virtual scissors and chop off the last three seconds of film. Should that be so hard?

iMovie is overkill for my purposes, allowing all sorts of effects and subtitles and fancy editing and so forth. I just want something simple that produces high-quality videos with small file sizes. Does anybody know of a program (for Mac, obviously) or technique that can allow me to do this?

Thanks. And now back to your regular programming.

175 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:10:21pm

re: #164 loppyd

I was nine years shy of driving legally.

See, I'm old enough to be your really cool auntie!
;-)

176 DownRightMeanAmerican  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:10:24pm

re: #86 madisonsfriend

Wrath, I agree with you. I find it beyond offensive when people decide to call others they don't like Nazis. Democrats are not Nazis and I even am offended by someone suggesting that the Democratic party be outlawed. This is America and half of our population are not Nazis. My father and my uncles fought in WWII - they knew(all passed on now) what the Nazis were about and what they did- even more so because we are Jewish. I guess the person who started this really doesn't know what the Nazis did- or is not affected by it enough to refrain from throwing the word "Nazi" around.

I also completely agree.


I should have made it clear, I only pretend to be Mario Andretti.

177 WrathofG-d  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:10:33pm

re: #168 redstateredneck

What do you expect from the consumer, TV, Computer, Instant Message, Text Message, quick, fast, now, sound bite, marketed to, generation?

178 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:10:34pm

I remember seeing Jimmy Carter campaign in 1976 when he rode down 5th Avenue surrounded by Hamilton Jordan and thinking "This guy is a weird looking dude."

179 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:10:37pm

re: #98 tfc3rid

I think you are being too kind to todays batch of college age liberals. The problem with that is that Dhimmi C. has forced himself back on the world stage with his anti-Israel diatribe and his "negotiation" with terrorists. One need not remember the 70's to know that Carter is a pile of shit.

180 Mr Spiffy  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:10:49pm

re: #55 jorline

pregnant roller skate

181 alegrias  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:11:03pm

re: #149 wolfie

Occasionally lizards will call Carter senile. He is not. He's always been a dimwit.
John Warner, on the other hand, has definitely lost a good chunk of gray matter, not to mention testosterone.


* * *
There's nothing DIMwit about Carter. He let America and our allies down intentionally, for the "best" of reasons, because we weren't worth fighting for in his/democrats' book.

Carter wanted the respect of those who will never respect us and he tried to earn it by tearing us down to paper lion.

182 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:11:27pm

re: #88 Honorary Yooper

Ugh, nightmare of nightmares, it's Dhimmi Carter.

OT: Has anyone here gotten a call from a place called "Fortress Credit" asking you to authorize a $10,000 credit limit? They have one of those 877 numbers and called me about 1/2 hour ago. As I am on the Do-Not-Call List, I just reported them so they can be investigated.

It was very odd, as I've never filled out any paperwork for them.

/I think it's a scam.

I have gotten several calls recently from "877" numbers - actually, there are 2 that keep calling me. I am also on the do-not-call list, but I could find no listing for these numbers so I don't know who it is that is calling.

Contacted the phone company to see what they could do to help me get rid of these calls - nada.

183 Adrenalyn  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:12:10pm

re: #133 WrathofG-d

no, I read them (and this can serve as a reply to them as well)
(and thanks for being civil in disagreement)
but even though the democrats have not been killing people (well, except the Clintons - if you belive 'those' rumors)
I still think their policies mimic the early Nazi's
and would hate to see them get a real stranglehold on our society

the Nazi's did the same thing in Germany
and I don't think those who voted them in
forsaw the horrors they would bring

though I see horrors in the current Democrat party coming on

just not coming about the same way
but the end result could be the same
lots of people dead
worldwide misery and hatred

184 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:12:19pm

re: #182 reine.de.tout

I got two calls for credit type things on my cell phone! Luckily, they were voice mail

185 tfc3rid  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:12:22pm

re: #179 Creeping Eruption

I think you are being too kind to todays batch of college age liberals. The problem with that is that Dhimmi C. has forced himself back on the world stage with his anti-Israel diatribe and his "negotiation" with terrorists. One need not remember the 70's to know that Carter is a pile of shit.

True but do they perhaps just see him as a former US President and nothing else...

Maybe they miss the point that he is really shilling for the enemy...

186 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:12:30pm

re: #140 reine.de.tout

I had a Vega, along with a couple of friends who had the same model-year. WORST CAR EVER MADE. All of our cars died beyond repair within 4 weeks of each other, approximately 3 years to the date after purchase.

I've had two Vegas, a '75 in high school, and a '76 in the '80s and '90s. Amazingly, the '76 (GT, 5-speed) went 218k without the head ever being off, and I got $750 for it in '96. The last I heard of it, it had been sold to a collector in Lubbock.

Keep in mind I'm in Texas, and cars don't rust here. My '76 still had the original exhaust system on it, with no rust out.

187 Opinionated  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:12:45pm

With Obama I am reminded of another candidacy.

It was also supposed to usher in change. Bring a new day with the election of the first Black.

The Times was besides themselves with joy when he was elected.

Change came.

Including the first pogrom in America.

The hope, then, was David Dinkins.

188 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:12:45pm

re: #174 zombie

My initial thought was Windows MovieMaker. Not sure if you have access to Windows box though. I think it came as part of the basic OS package with XP media center edition.

189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:13:01pm

re: #164 loppyd

Elvis died on my fifteenth birthday. The same day my future wife and her family moved to town.

190 jorline  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:13:05pm

re: #161 madisonsfriend

re: #129 ethanxxx


Sorry, but did your mommy ever say " if your friend jumped off the roof, would you?" It is wrong no matter who does it.

What does that have to do with the VW Thing? Did I miss something?

191 Silhouette  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:13:12pm

re: #163 Kosh's Shadow

Here's why Obama is loved by the young:

Young adults experience news fatigue from being inundated by facts and updates and have trouble accessing in-depth stories, according to a study to be unveiled at a global media conference Monday.


Remember when young people were BETTER at learning new things than old dogs?

192 Ojoe  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:13:15pm

re: #12 savage_nation

We now may be seeing the denouement of the Democratic party, and the opening of the door to the formation of a real 3rd 2nd party.

How can the Democrats survive this debacle?

Squaking "every vote most count" for 8 years and then seating 1/2 the votes from two states ...

And on and on

It is to laugh.

193 cygnus  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:13:17pm

re: #53 Adrenalyn

you forgot to channel Ricardo Montalban...

KHAN!

194 alegrias  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:13:18pm

re: #170 madisonsfriend

Unfortunately, crazy old men can cause a lot of trouble. Jimmy and his "noble elders" are a bunch of crazy coots.

* * *
Nothing crazy here, but standard democrat talking points.

Carter's policies are STILL considered great by his party, though the American people fired Carter and his lousy policies for the pain they caused us. We did not know just how expensive in lives, blood, toil, sweat and tears and dollars and oil the Carter years would be.

195 maddogg  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:13:19pm

Seeing all these comments about the cars we drove when Jimmah was running for POTUS, reminded me I had a VW beetle, vintage 1968 (this was 1974-5). So many lizards had inexpensive cars when we were kids. I don't remember seeing kids in College with fancy cars like I see now. I think that points to one of the symptoms of our current problems. I had an old bug, some had Mavericks or Pintos or Novas. I see many new and expensive cars in College parking lots these days. WE ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM if we contribute to our children thinking they deserve a new vehicle. Like us, they should earn the right to a new vehicle, and the payments to go with it. IMHO.

196 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:13:24pm

re: #182 reine.de.tout

I have gotten several calls recently from "877" numbers - actually, there are 2 that keep calling me. I am also on the do-not-call list, but I could find no listing for these numbers so I don't know who it is that is calling.

Contacted the phone company to see what they could do to help me get rid of these calls - nada.

Well, I reported the number to the Do-Not-Call Registry. If the Feds get enough complaints, they'll investigate. I Googled this particular number, and it's got a ton of complaints on-line.

197 loppyd  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:13:27pm

re: #175 redstateredneck

See, I'm old enough to be your really cool auntie!
;-)

That's my role now.

Took the two littlest girls to Build-a-Bear this weekend. What a hoot!

198 Adrenalyn  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:13:35pm

re: #182 reine.de.tout

those companies are in Canada or the Carbbean
and outside "our" laws
yet pay very cheap phone rates

they won't go away
no need getting angry
there is nothing you can do but get irritated
and it's not worth the effort

199 Viking6  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:13:35pm

I traded in my '68 SS Camero for a 1973 lime green Vega, cuz I was getting married and needed a "family" car. I should have known better. Turned in the Vega for a 280Z in 1975 just about the same time as the wife.

200 beblebrox  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:13:43pm

re: #174 zombie

i use tmpgenc a lot. a good source to learn about video editing and get pointed at software is both [Link: www.vcdhelp.com...] and [Link: www.doom9.org...] a lot has to do with what default codec you are using to encode with. choosing different ones can result in dramatic changes in file size and quality.

201 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:14:01pm

re: #187 Opinionated

With Obama I am reminded of another candidacy.

It was also supposed to usher in change. Bring a new day with the election of the first Black.

The Times was besides themselves with joy when he was elected.

Change came.

Including the first pogrom in America.

The hope, then, was David Dinkins.

re: #187 Opinionated

With Obama I am reminded of another candidacy.

It was also supposed to usher in change. Bring a new day with the election of the first Black.

The Times was besides themselves with joy when he was elected.

Change came.

Including the first pogrom in America.

The hope, then, was David Dinkins.

And that worked out so well! Tennis anyone?

202 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:14:09pm
203 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:14:46pm

I hope the Democrats will give Jimmy Carter a prime time speaking spot at the convention and he makes some Israel bashing comments - maybe American Jews will wake up. On second thought I doubt that most American Jews will be swayed as they are reflexive Liberals (alas) but the many philo-Semitic non Jews out there will get a reminder about the stakes in this coming election.

Yesterday at the Israel Day Parade in Manhattan I got to curse out the Neturei Karta low-lives which made me feel really good after a hellish week at work!

204 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:14:46pm

re: #197 loppyd

That's my role now.

Took the two littlest girls to Build-a-Bear this weekend. What a hoot!

Who had the most fun...you or them?

205 loppyd  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:15:07pm

re: #189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Elvis died on my fifteenth birthday. The same day my future wife and her family moved to town.

One day after my brother's b-day...we were in Maine to celebrate.

I guess it was also a very lucky day for you!

206 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:15:10pm

re: #190 jorline

What does that have to do with the VW Thing? Did I miss something?

jorline said the left has been calling the republicans Nazis for years so it is okay if people here call Dems Nazis. My earlier posts/Wrath of God and Yochanan explain our objections to the use of the word nazi in this context

207 jamgarr  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:15:16pm

What does Rosalyn think of Whitey?

208 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:15:26pm

re: #199 Viking6

I traded in my '68 SS Camero for a 1973 lime green Vega, cuz I was getting married and needed a "family" car. I should have known better. Turned in the Vega for a 280Z in 1975 just about the same time as the wife.

My mom had a lime green Vega.
Uglay!

209 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:15:52pm

re: #165 Ward Cleaver

a automatic Datsun B-210.

HAH! Our '79 B210 was a five-speed. I loved that little skateboard.

Dad followed it up two years later with a 1980 rental fleet B210 with an automatic. What a joke! You could not make that car accelerate...literally unable to get on a freeway!

210 loppyd  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:15:54pm

re: #204 redstateredneck

Who had the most fun...you or them?

Them, but not by much.

Then we went to Friendly's...what a madhouse on a Sat! I had no idea.

211 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:16:09pm

re: #53 Adrenalyn

you forgot to channel Ricardo Montalban...

Worked a puzzle once and the result was this quote...

Ricardo Montalban is to improvisational acting what Mount Rushmore is to animation.

Still remember that one. I forget most of them.

212 Opinionated  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:16:13pm

re: #174 zombie

VirtualDub or VirtualDubmod if you can run Windows apps. Freeware

213 towm  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:16:24pm

#107
Ya wanna borrow my '71 Duster?

214 Endangered in MASS  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:16:37pm

re: #104 jorline

A remake of the WWII Kubelwagon.

215 beblebrox  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:16:47pm

re: #212 Opinionated

excellent choice.

216 'Nam Grunt  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:16:50pm

You guys are forgetting about that fine piece of machinery from GM the Chevy Corvair, I was almost killed in one of them when I was a teenager. LOL

217 WrathofG-d  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:17:09pm

re: #183 Adrenalyn

Ok so we disagree, and I hope for America's sake that you are wrong.

218 ethanxxx  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:17:12pm

re: #161 madisonsfriend

Sorry, but did your mommy ever say " if your friend jumped off the roof, would you?" It is wrong no matter who does it.

I jump off roofs because I want to, not because someone else does. And it's not wrong if you're right. I've studied the rise and fall of Nazi Germany and I can clearly see parallels in other groups and religions. Or... maybe I should read WrathofG-d's Mario Andretti analogy over & over again until it makes sense.

219 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:17:12pm

re: #205 loppyd

Well, she seems to think so. Heh.

220 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:17:24pm

re: #203 Joel

I hope the Democrats will give Jimmy Carter a prime time speaking spot at the convention and he makes some Israel bashing comments - maybe American Jews will wake up. On second thought I doubt that most American Jews will be swayed as they are reflexive Liberals (alas) but the many philo-Semitic non Jews out there will get a reminder about the stakes in this coming election.

Yesterday at the Israel Day Parade in Manhattan I got to curse out the Neturei Karta low-lives which made me feel really good after a hellish week at work!


The NKs didn't show up at the Israel celebration in DC but i am not sure that any of them live near here.

Carter- Kiss of Death.

221 loppyd  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:17:35pm

Senator Kennedy out of surgery


DURHAM, N.C. -- Senator Edward M. Kennedy's surgery today for a malignant brain tumor achieved its objectives, and he will experience no permanent neurological effects from the delicate procedure, his surgeon at Duke University Medical Center said this afternoon.
222 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:17:50pm
223 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:17:50pm

re: #185 tfc3rid

Probably. If you can't cram it down their throats in a 15 second sound bite, they aren't going to get it.

224 imtoast  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:18:00pm

Well, that ad didn't lie. There were multiple changes when that POS became president. Unfortunately, none of the changes were for the good. I didn't vote for him and I won't vote for Bambi either. Their kind of change will kill us.

225 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:18:13pm

re: #106 alegrias

* * *
Lucky you! Everyone wanted to ride in those bugs with sunroofs--Schiebedachs in german.

226 razorbacker  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:18:18pm

re: #186 Ward Cleaver

I've had two Vegas, a '75 in high school, and a '76 in the '80s and '90s. Amazingly, the '76 (GT, 5-speed) went 218k without the head ever being off, and I got $750 for it in '96. The last I heard of it, it had been sold to a collector in Lubbock.

Keep in mind I'm in Texas, and cars don't rust here. My '76 still had the original exhaust system on it, with no rust out.

The very best thing about Vegas was that the I-4 came right out and a 327 would slip right in. If you hid the other tailpipe so it didn't show, wouldn't let the competition look under the hood, and didn't start the thing until the bet was made, you could do quite well at those impromptu drag races that seemed to break out.

That wasn't me, that was that evil Winkle boy.

227 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:18:21pm

re: #216 'Nam Grunt

You guys are forgetting about that fine piece of machinery from GM the Chevy Corvair, I was almost killed in one of them when I was a teenager. LOL

Had a boyfriend who had one.
:-X
That's all I'm sayin'.

228 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:18:28pm

re: #189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Elvis died on my fifteenth birthday. The same day my future wife and her family moved to town.

I was on my lunch break from work (first job in high school), driving my mom's Rambler, when I heard about Elvis's death, on the radio. When I got back to work, I told my co-workers, and of course they didn't believe it.

229 cygnus  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:18:29pm

re: #92 loppyd

We had a VW Bug and a Chevy Nova...

The bug had pleather seats and a crank sunroof.

Ah, the 70s - crappy cars, tacky clothes, disco, disaster movies, Jimmy Carter. Ya gotta love it.

230 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:19:00pm

You know, you guys are so much smarter than I am.

I am LGF's version of Earth's definition in "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy".

After the concert tonight, I am going to focus on getting mad about something!

231 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:19:03pm

I got cut off. The worst car ever - a 1961 Rambler that my parents bought.

232 JustMyView  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:19:07pm

re: #129 ethanxxx

The progressive left has been throwing the accusation of "NAZI" at the republicans for years. There isn't a Damn thing wrong with throwing it back at them. The majority of these historically challenged fools no nothing about Nazism, most don't even know that the word means National Socialist... the exact goal of their own party. In my educated opinion, the only other organization that comes close to paralleling the Nazi Party besides Democrats would be Islam, which is probably why they are such close allies.

That both Repubs and Dems use it to insult each other is evidence that it's not being used in a meaningful way by either group. It's just hurling insults, as others in this thread have said.

233 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:19:16pm

re: #218 ethanxxx

Guess what- I've studied too- I did graduate work in history. You go and jump.

234 alegrias  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:19:29pm

re: #195 maddogg

Seeing all these comments about the cars we drove when Jimmah was running for POTUS, reminded me I had a VW beetle, vintage 1968 (this was 1974-5). So many lizards had inexpensive cars when we were kids. I don't remember seeing kids in College with fancy cars like I see now. I think that points to one of the symptoms of our current problems. I had an old bug, some had Mavericks or Pintos or Novas. I see many new and expensive cars in College parking lots these days. WE ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM if we contribute to our children thinking they deserve a new vehicle. Like us, they should earn the right to a new vehicle, and the payments to go with it. IMHO.

* * *
True! My clever folks kept cars till they expired or were considered antiques. I was so embarassed as a teenager I refused to drive their 1957 bubble shaped Mercedes Benz with the standard transmission and gear on the steering wheel, which no one had heard of or seen in this area anyway, before the foreign car influx!

235 Adrenalyn  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:19:56pm

re: #140 reine.de.tout

I had a Vega, along with a couple of friends who had the same model-year. WORST CAR EVER MADE. All of our cars died beyond repair within 4 weeks of each other, approximately 3 years to the date after purchase.

hate to top you (so I politely apologize, in advance)
the wife and I had a Jeep Cherokee die the day we night it in 1984
on the way home from the dealer

pow !

thank you to Lee Iacocca and Chysler
and Dhimmi for bailing them out
and me for being stupid enough to buy the thing
and not reading Consumer Reports auto review issue

was 15 years before I drove another American car after that debacle

236 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:19:59pm

re: #195 maddogg

When I turned 16 I asked my dad if I could get a car. He said "Sure, get a job and buy one." My how times have changed.

237 cygnus  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:20:07pm

re: #96 joncelli

Nonono, it's pronounced "Reech Coreeenthian layther." (Khaaan!)

And you have to roll the Rs - "Corrreeethian".

238 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:20:07pm

re: #182 reine.de.tout

I have gotten several calls recently from "877" numbers - actually, there are 2 that keep calling me. I am also on the do-not-call list, but I could find no listing for these numbers so I don't know who it is that is calling.

Contacted the phone company to see what they could do to help me get rid of these calls - nada.

I have found that I can often find out something by Googling 877-xxx-xxx. The links often are to sites that discuss these calls, so you can find out who they are, and how obnoxious they are.

239 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:20:10pm

re: #229 cygnus

Ah, the 70s - crappy cars, tacky clothes, disco, disaster movies, Jimmy Carter. Ya gotta love it.

The three worst fashion items from the 1970's
1. Bell bottom jeans
2. leisure suits
3. those big fat wide neck ties.

240 Viking6  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:20:32pm

re: #208 redstateredneck

No kidding, boy did I drink the kool aid on that one. My Camero had a 427 with all the goodies, low 11 high 10 on the strip. The Z car got really good gas mileage which was really helpful after Carter got elected.

241 azul93gt  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:20:48pm

#50 Ward Cleaver 6/02/08 11:47:33 am
Fiestas were great rat-racers.

You may be thinking of the Fox based Ford Fairmont/Mercury Zephyr. Those cars are Badass with 5.0L or stroked Windsor.

242 loppyd  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:20:55pm

re: #229 cygnus

Ah, the 70s - crappy cars, tacky clothes, disco, disaster movies, Jimmy Carter. Ya gotta love it.

I loved the Bug, hated the Nova.

I was a young kid so it all was groovy to me.

What's so tacky about embroidered jeans, Indian print tops and Dr. Scholl's anyway? :)

243 Ojoe  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:21:10pm

1962 Falcon.

1st car. The rocker arms were noisy so we put an overhead oiler on it.

244 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:21:20pm

re: #229 cygnus


Are you calling my bright red and blue striped trousers with the enormous bell bottoms tacky?

245 tfc3rid  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:21:29pm

re: #187 Opinionated

With Obama I am reminded of another candidacy.
It was also supposed to usher in change. Bring a new day with the election of the first Black.
The Times was besides themselves with joy when he was elected.
Change came.
Including the first pogrom in America.
The hope, then, was David Dinkins.

AAAHHH

NIGHTMARES!

246 bill-tb  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:21:43pm

re: #13 WrathofG-d

Or how about "we are the ones we've been waiting for". Comrade Obama is full of such inane oratory, sounds good to the kiddies. when spoken with a Harvard accent.

Collectivism, that Harvard speak for Communism.

247 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:21:49pm

During the first year of Jimmy Carter's presidency I had a 1973 Chevy Nova. A better drive then his rotten presidency!

248 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:22:09pm

My kids are making me dress appropriately tonight. Can't wear my Reagan shirt.

249 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:22:25pm

re: #209 OldLineTexan

HAH! Our '79 B210 was a five-speed. I loved that little skateboard.

Dad followed it up two years later with a 1980 rental fleet B210 with an automatic. What a joke! You could not make that car accelerate...literally unable to get on a freeway!

I floored that automatic B-210 getting on the freeway in Dallas (with the A/C on, too). What a hoot. 0-60? Eventually. Later, I had a girlfriend that had a B-210 hatchback with a 5-speed. When you put it into reverse, it beeped (inside the car). Great gas mileage, though, out of that 1.4l pushrod four.

250 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:22:35pm

re: #242 loppyd

What's so tacky about embroidered jeans, Indian print tops and Dr. Scholl's anyway? :)


And (what all you guys seem to have forgotten) NO BRAS! ! !

251 Adrenalyn  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:22:45pm

re: #239 Joel

The three worst fashion items from the 1970's
1. Bell bottom jeans
2. leisure suits
3. those big fat wide neck ties.

wait, they were offset by HOT PANTS
and sizzler mini skirts
oh, and Farah Fawcett

252 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:22:54pm

re: #248 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

what concert?

253 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:23:04pm

re: #229 cygnus

Ah, the 70s - crappy cars, tacky clothes, disco, disaster movies, Jimmy Carter. Ya gotta love it.

If Carter II wins, it won't matter how bad the cars are.
No one will be afford the gas to drive them, what with the carbon credits, and the jizzya.

254 beblebrox  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:23:10pm

as it turns out the 1st vehicle i had when i was 16 was a hand me down 1966 Jeep CJ5 that was 18 years old at the time. my parents thought that i would stay out of trouble with such a mundane vehicle. little did they realize that a topless jeep on a warm summer day was an absolute "chick magnet" when you are 16. that thing got me in so much trouble i was banned from driving to school.

255 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:23:20pm

Tackiest TV show from the Carter era - "The Love Boat" where all the has-beens and people we thought were dead would turn up.

256 loppyd  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:23:22pm

re: #250 redstateredneck

And (what all you guys seem to have forgotten) NO BRAS! ! !

For me anyway! LOL

257 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:23:34pm

re: #243 Ojoe

1962 Falcon.

1st car. The rocker arms were noisy so we put an overhead oiler on it.

Dad had a dark blue one; the very earliest car I can remember. I remember when he had seat belts installed, and how he wouldn't start the car until we had all put them on in the driveway. They were actual metal buckles, and they were hot as hell in summer.

258 alegrias  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:23:56pm

re: #229 cygnus

Ah, the 70s - crappy cars, tacky clothes, disco, disaster movies, Jimmy Carter. Ya gotta love it.

* * *
Down comforters! Heat turned off in bedrooms!
No airconditioning, because President Carter asked us to sacrifice.
My folks were such patriots, though Carter was leading us down the primrose path to laughable laughingstock weak-kneed country status. We pretended it was the great Depression, and IT WAS! The CARTER depression.

Jean Kirkpatrick was right, we were suffering no malaise, we were suffering from President Carter.

259 WrathofG-d  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:24:02pm

re: #246 bill-tb

"universal" the Leftist term for Socialized.

260 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:24:18pm

re: #255 Joel

But didn't the purser get elected?

261 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:24:41pm

re: #236 Creeping Eruption

When I turned 16 I asked my dad if I could get a car. He said "Sure, get a job and buy one." My how times have changed.

I got one from relatives who had been driving my parents around. They didn't have driver's licenses, so I got the car so I could drive them around. My mother eventually got her license, my father never did.
Great deal for me, even if it was a '67 Chevy Nova with a Powerglide 2-speed transmission.

262 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:24:42pm

re: #255 Joel

Tackiest TV show from the Carter era - "The Love Boat" where all the has-beens and people we thought were dead would turn up.

And if they survived Love Boat, they were sure to show up later on Fantasy Island.

263 RickZ  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:24:42pm

re: #216 'Nam Grunt

You guys are forgetting about that fine piece of machinery from GM the Chevy Corvair, I was almost killed in one of them when I was a teenager. LOL

Didn't the Corvair have the automatic shift push-buttons on the dash, to the right of the sterring wheel? Whoever thought that design feature up was a real [deleted].

264 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:24:45pm

re: #251 Adrenalyn

wait, they were offset by HOT PANTS
and sizzler mini skirts
oh, and Farah Fawcett

Hot pants really were a 1960's item (I think).
Leisure suits though were the pits. My father bought a lot of them and tried to get me to buy them but in my precocious wisdom I said "Hell no, I will never be seen wearing them."

265 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:24:48pm

re: #249 Ward Cleaver

I floored that automatic B-210 getting on the freeway in Dallas (with the A/C on, too). What a hoot. 0-60? Eventually. Later, I had a girlfriend that had a B-210 hatchback with a 5-speed. When you put it into reverse, it beeped (inside the car). Great gas mileage, though, out of that 1.4l pushrod four.

I "inherited" the 79 with the 5-speed in 1982 as a college kid. I used to get 37 mpg mixed, 42+ on the road to see my girlfriend at school.

266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:25:11pm

re: #252 madisonsfriend

what concert?

Boy, am I glad you asked.

Alison Krauss and Robert Plant.

My Reagan shirt there would probably go over like a...a...a...Led Zeppelin?

267 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:25:19pm

re: #253 Kosh's Shadow

Flintstone powered vehicles(i know someone posted the Youtube of this recently- but i don't know how)

268 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:25:23pm

re: #263 RickZ

Didn't the Corvair have the automatic shift push-buttons on the dash, to the right of the sterring wheel? Whoever thought that design feature up was a real [deleted].

The ultimate death trap - the Ford Pinto!

269 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:25:25pm

re: #250 redstateredneck

And (what all you guys seem to have forgotten) NO BRAS! ! !

Well, yeah, I didn't need one then, so there!

270 Ojoe  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:25:31pm

re: #257 OldLineTexan

The old belts, you could cinch them down tight.

I note that NASCAR racers have no air bags.

If we had real seat belts/harnesses, we wouldn't need air bags.

But no, we gottsa be able to wiggle around when we drive.

271 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:25:55pm

re: #262 redstateredneck

And if they survived Love Boat, they were sure to show up later on Fantasy Island.

Or are now headlining at Branson, MO.

272 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:26:01pm

re: #255 Joel

Tackiest TV show from the Carter era - "The Love Boat" where all the has-beens and people we thought were dead would turn up.

No doubt. And nobody ever watched it. But it was in the top ten every week.

273 Adrenalyn  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:26:03pm

re: #264 Joel

Hot pants really were a 1960's item (I think).
Leisure suits though were the pits. My father bought a lot of them and tried to get me to buy them but in my precocious wisdom I said "Hell no, I will never be seen wearing them."

if you say so
but can I have a substitution please ?

how about platform shoes ?

274 jcm  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:26:05pm

re: #269 OldLineTexan

Well, yeah, I didn't need one then, so there!

Choking on my lunch!
;-P

275 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:26:18pm

re: #241 azul93gt

#50 Ward Cleaver 6/02/08 11:47:33 am
Fiestas were great rat-racers.

You may be thinking of the Fox based Ford Fairmont/Mercury Zephyr. Those cars are Badass with 5.0L or stroked Windsor.

Nope, the original Fiestas, front-wheel-drive, with the 1.6l "Kent" four. I had a couple of friends that owned the base cars, and a cousin had a Ghia (top of the line, such as it was).

276 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:26:24pm

re: #186 Ward Cleaver

I've had two Vegas, a '75 in high school, and a '76 in the '80s and '90s. Amazingly, the '76 (GT, 5-speed) went 218k without the head ever being off, and I got $750 for it in '96. The last I heard of it, it had been sold to a collector in Lubbock.

Keep in mind I'm in Texas, and cars don't rust here. My '76 still had the original exhaust system on it, with no rust out.

Well, I'm next door in Louisiana. On ours, the engine block cracked (or something) in all of these cars, and they just could not be repaired. I don't recall what year they were - the 1st or 2nd year they were made.

277 alegrias  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:26:32pm

re: #247 Joel

During the first year of Jimmy Carter's presidency I had a 1973 Chevy Nova. A better drive then his rotten presidency!

* * *
No Va in Spanish means "doesn't work" or doesn't go!

Carter No Va
Obama No Va II

278 tum  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:26:34pm

Give him a break. He was talking about a change in Iran and he delivered.

279 yochanan  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:26:38pm

I DON'T AGREE WITH THE MODERN DEMOCATIC PARTY but i would worry more about the ron paulians and the troothers as both of these groups seem to have 'fascistic tendencies' BUT to call eather american party nazi or fascist just shows how little the person doing the calling really understands what nazism, fascism or stalinism really were and what they did. i will not continue beating this dead horse but i think i will down ding any one using the code words of nazi, nazicrat, or stalinist. Using the term appeaser, isolationist, or defeatist is much closer to the truth and ok.

280 Ojoe  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:26:42pm

re: #268 Joel

Three on the tree.

Four on the floor.

Trash on the dash.

BBL lunchtime.

281 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:26:45pm

"Change" and "Hope" are profoundly stupid slogans for anything - especially politics.

"Change" - Uh, yeah, that's what an election is. FYI. A scheduled change.

"Hope" - for what, exactly? If there's no hope for change, then we wouldn't be holding elections, would we?

What those two words really mean, as slogans, are "We have no frigging idea how to market ourselves, because we're intellectually bankrupt. We're relying on emotion, and we're going to rile you up into believing that something might get better, if you'd just give our guy your vote and/or money. Don't ask anything of us after the election, because we have no plan."

282 maddogg  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:26:46pm

re: #234 alegrias

* * *
True! My clever folks kept cars till they expired or were considered antiques. I was so embarassed as a teenager I refused to drive their 1957 bubble shaped Mercedes Benz with the standard transmission and gear on the steering wheel, which no one had heard of or seen in this area anyway, before the foreign car influx!


I still have my 1983 jeep j-10 4wd pickup truck I bought new in 1983. Though at a best mileage of 12mpg and on Super at that, I don't drive it much if at all. My current go-to-work car has 155,000+ miles on it and I expect it to go to 200,000. My motorcycle was bought new in 1992 and now has 100,000+ on the clock, and still going. Your parents were wise to drive them till the wheels came off, its the only way to get your moneys worth. When my dad went for a "new" car, he looked for a good clean used car with 20,000 or so on the clock. I do too.

My kids got me a T-shirt that says "embarrasing my children is just one of the services I offer", and I wore it out.

283 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:26:47pm

re: #266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm not sure that the audience would recognize his face(or the name- Reagan? hey, wasn't she in the Exorcist?)

284 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:27:05pm
285 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:27:07pm

re: #266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Boy, am I glad you asked.

Alison Krauss and Robert Plant.

My Reagan shirt there would probably go over like a...a...a...Led Zeppelin?

Get a custom Che shirt with "Have you hugged a mass murderer today?" printed on the back.

286 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:27:10pm

re: #263 RickZ

Didn't the Corvair have the automatic shift push-buttons on the dash, to the right of the sterring wheel? Whoever thought that design feature up was a real [deleted].

No, that was various Chrysler products from the early 60's. The transmissions were banned after several accidents when people pushed forward instead of reverse, or vice-versa.

287 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:27:14pm

re: #262 redstateredneck

And if they survived Love Boat, they were sure to show up later on Fantasy Island.

LOL1 Yes that show followed it on Saturday night. I remember on one episode of Fantasy Island, Jack the Ripper showed up!

How about Saturday Night with Howard Cosell!

288 JustMyView  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:27:14pm

The idea that a non-incumbent would run on the idea of change is hardly surprising. After all, the point is to be different from whatever came before. GWB, as I recall, promised to "change the tone" when he came to Washington.

289 loppyd  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:27:20pm

Time to head home...

See you all later.

290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:27:34pm

re: #277 alegrias

* * *
No Va in Spanish means "doesn't work" or doesn't go!

Carter No Va
Obama No Va II

So solly. Urban Legend.

Made the same mistake a couple of weeks ago.

291 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:28:02pm

re: #271 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

My older daughter was at the Hard Rock Casino in Biloxi Saturday night and saw Stevie Nicks. She was able to walk right up to her and start a conversation.
Daughter, "Holy shit! You're Stevie Nicks."
Stevie: "Yeah, I am."
No bodyguards, nothin'. Blew my mind.

292 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:28:06pm

re: #281 Pawn of the Oppressor

"Change" and "Hope" are profoundly stupid slogans for anything - especially politics.

"
"Hope" - for what, exactly? If there's no hope for change, then we wouldn't be holding elections, would we?

Didn't Bill come from Hope, Ark?

293 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:28:12pm

re: #274 jcm

Choking on my lunch!
;-P

If someone lobs a zeppelin across the plate, I'm gonna take a swing. ;)

294 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:28:19pm

re: #220 madisonsfriend

NK's usually live in NY. Since they are all intermarried there are not too many of them. Their headquarters is in MOnsey, NY.

295 Adrenalyn  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:28:20pm

re: #284 buzzsawmonkey

Hot pants were early '70s, about '71 or '72. Platform shoes dated from the same era.

ok, glad to hear it
now where is the link to a sample ?

296 CowardKerry  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:28:26pm

e: #83 WrathofG-d

Seriously, what in the world does; "Change You Can Believe In" mean?

It means the poor dumb bastards that vote for him will get an extra block of cheese, and the rest of us are going to get fucked.

297 Viking6  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:28:31pm

re: #251 Adrenalyn

Please do not forget the fab white shoes and belts

298 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:28:42pm

re: #275 Ward Cleaver

Nope, the original Fiestas,
front-wheel-drive, with the 1.6l "Kent" four. I had a couple of friends
that owned the base cars, and a cousin had a Ghia (top of the line,
such as it was).

Ghia? I though the VW Karrman Ghia was the only car with that name?

299 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:29:01pm

I know it's unrelated (maybe it isn't), but I just found this article on bbc about mugabe's visit to rome. check out the wonderful comments.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]


the far left has completely lost it.

300 tfc3rid  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:29:04pm

re: #292 madisonsfriend

So did Huckabee (I think...)

301 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:29:14pm

re: #287 Joel

Da Plane, boss, Da plane!

302 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:29:14pm

re: #297 Viking6

Please do not forget the fab white shoes and belts

I had a pair of the shoes. Only pair I had, had to wear them to school one day in the sixth grade.

Prolly the worst day of my life.

303 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:29:17pm

re: #235 Adrenalyn

hate to top you (so I politely apologize, in advance)
the wife and I had a Jeep Cherokee die the day we night it in 1984
on the way home from the dealer

pow !

thank you to Lee Iacocca and Chysler
and Dhimmi for bailing them out
and me for being stupid enough to buy the thing
and not reading Consumer Reports auto review issue

was 15 years before I drove another American car after that debacle

Yep, I know what you mean - I bought a Chevrolet Tahoe in 2000, and that was the first American-made car I had had since the Vega died in mid to late 70's.

304 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:29:31pm
305 cygnus  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:29:39pm

re: #199 Viking6

I traded in my '68 SS Camero for a 1973 lime green Vega, cuz I was getting married and needed a "family" car. I should have known better. Turned in the Vega for a 280Z in 1975 just about the same time as the wife.

I had a burnt-orange Chevy Chevette once. A total POS.

306 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:29:40pm

re: #260 madisonsfriend

Yes Fred (I forgot his last name) the purser who became Gopher did go to Congress from Tenn.

307 alegrias  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:29:57pm

re: #255 Joel

Tackiest TV show from the Carter era - "The Love Boat" where all the has-beens and people we thought were dead would turn up.

* * *
Hush yo mouth. Mr. Grandy (had a funny name on that show) is now a terrific astute LIZARDLY conservative radio personality in Washington DC, on WMAL 630 am from 5am to 9am. Was a Harvard educated, congressional representative from Iowa at some point.

Brilliant, humorous, full of insights about Hollywood, leftism, Congress, real-politic, history, etc.

308 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:30:06pm

re: #238 Kosh's Shadow

I have found that I can often find out something by Googling 877-xxx-xxx. The links often are to sites that discuss these calls, so you can find out who they are, and how obnoxious they are.

I didn't think of doing google. I just used a reverse-phone number look-up. thanks for the tip.

309 grumpy old codger  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:30:08pm

re: #286 Kosh's Shadow
Valiants were the first ones. Started with the 1960 year model.

310 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:30:49pm

re: #300 tfc3rid

So did Huckabee (I think...)


You're right.

311 cygnus  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:30:49pm

re: #208 redstateredneck

My mom had a lime green Vega.
Uglay!

And that's when eye bleach was first marketed.

312 itellu3times  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:30:59pm

Let's see ... I guess I drove a 1971 Fiat 124 sports coupe (hardtop) through the Carter administration. Nothing under the hood but 1600cc (or was it 1920cc?), no catalytic converter, just an afterburner. Carbueretor. Distributor w points. Solid rear axle. Wind wings.

313 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:31:00pm

re: #272 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No doubt. And nobody ever watched it. But it was in the top ten every week.

Yes but that was because there was only 3 channels (ABC ,NBC, and CBS) to choose from

314 Viking6  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:31:01pm

re: #302 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My sincerest apologizes. I never had them, only dad and his friends. I was in college so I wore bell bottoms, cowboy boots and Hawaiian shirts.

315 jorline  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:31:14pm

re: #206 madisonsfriend

jorline said the left has been calling the republicans Nazis for years so it is okay if people here call Dems Nazis. My earlier posts/Wrath of God and Yochanan explain our objections to the use of the word nazi in this context

madison...Please provide the post in which I made these comments. Everything you've referenced so far has nothing to do with your post. Please play with facts only, madison!

316 JustMyView  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:31:17pm

The Republicans, too, are pushing the idea of change. The House Republicans adopted "The Change You Deserve" as a slogan. Too bad it was already being used to market Effexor, an antidepressant.

317 yochanan  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:31:43pm

re: #273 Adrenalyn

if you say so
but can I have a substitution please ?

how about platform shoes ?

THE WORST CLOTHING TREND I BOUGHT ONE OF WAS A NEHRU JACKET put it on twice and then tossed it into the garbage, i must have been stoned to have bought a gold and black paisley jacket after that i just bought levi' jackets

318 DesertSage  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:31:46pm

re: #306 Joel

Yes Fred (I forgot his last name) the purser who became Gopher did go to Congress from Tenn.

Fred Grandy. And it was Iowa.

319 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:31:49pm

re: #292 madisonsfriend

Didn't Bill come from Hope, Ark?

Don't remind me. "The Man from Hope"

cue soaring music, show image of young Billy C shaking hands with JFK*

*barf*

How the mighty have fallen... All because Brown beats Woman on the stage, and Chicago beats NY behind closed doors. Bill must be on his way to an aneurysm by now.

320 jcm  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:31:58pm

re: #309 grumpy old codger

Valiants were the first ones. Started with the 1960 year model.

My dad had a Valiant with the push button auto trans. As a kid (3 or so) I would sit on his left between him and the door and get to push the buttons!

321 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:31:58pm

re: #273 Adrenalyn

if you say so
but can I have a substitution please ?

how about platform shoes ?

Not being a woman I did not think of them. Yeah it was always sort of funny to watch a 5'1" chick try to walk in them.

322 wolfie  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:32:32pm

I bought my first car in 1973. It was a 1961 Plymouth Valiant coupe with PUSH-BUTTON automatic transmission ! Cost me $100. Believe it or not, it was a great car, though I named him Rusty for a good reason.
I sold it for $100 in 1977, the day Elvis died. Heard about him on the radio on the way back from the DMV.

323 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:32:46pm

re: #307 alegrias

* * *
Hush
yo mouth. Mr. Grandy (had a funny name on that show) is now a terrific
astute LIZARDLY conservative radio personality in Washington DC, on
WMAL 630 am from 5am to 9am. Was a Harvard educated, congressional
representative from Iowa at some point.

Brilliant, humorous, full of insights about Hollywood, leftism, Congress, real-politic, history, etc.

'tis Gopher of whom you speak. Funny thing that as liberal as Hollywood is, the celebrities who have won public office - Mr. Grandy, Sonny Bono (PBUH)- tend to be right-of-center.

324 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:32:54pm
325 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:33:01pm

re: #317 yochanan

Its about time jean jackets came back

326 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:33:05pm

re: #316 JustMyView

The Republicans, too, are pushing the idea of change. The House Republicans adopted "The Change You Deserve" as a slogan. Too bad it was already being used to market Effexor, an antidepressant.

Actually it makes some sense considering how depressed the country will become if a Democrat is elected this November.

327 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:33:16pm

re: #306 Joel

Yes Fred (I forgot his last name) the purser who became Gopher did go to Congress from Tenn.

No. Iowa.

328 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:33:16pm

OK folks gotta run. Time to get ready for the CONCERT! Gonna be a crowd (I hope). Anyway, be nice to each other. I will try to be a little less than "Mostly Harmless" tomorrow.

329 jpfletcher  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:33:21pm

re: #189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Elvis died on my 10th birthday.

330 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:33:29pm

re: #318 DesertSage

I stand corrected. "Julie" (Lauren Tewes) became a real coke head while on the show and got canned. What the hell did "Doc" do on that ship anyway? I owuld not trust him to clip my toe nails.

331 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:33:29pm
332 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:33:36pm

I don't know what my parents drove in the 70s, but going into the 80's they had a VW Rabbit.

Carter looks every inch the bigoted fool he is in that old ad, only younger.

333 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:33:49pm
334 rawmuse  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:34:02pm

The best thing that "The Love Boat" had going for it was the theme song, which was sung by Jack Jones, a guy who has great pipes.

335 jamgarr  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:34:08pm

re: #317 yochanan

THE WORST CLOTHING TREND I BOUGHT ONE OF WAS A NEHRU JACKET put it on twice and then tossed it into the garbage, i must have been stoned to have bought a gold and black paisley jacket after that i just bought levi' jackets

My aunt and uncle actually bought me one of those Sonny Bono fur vests for Christmas one year!

336 yochanan  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:34:11pm

re: #294 Joel

NK's usually live in NY. Since they are all intermarried there are not too many of them. Their headquarters is in MOnsey, NY.

NATURI KARTI are to frum jews as the FLDS are to mormons.
total nut cases.

337 alegrias  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:34:13pm

re: #282 maddogg

I still have my 1983 jeep j-10 4wd pickup truck I bought new in 1983. Though at a best mileage of 12mpg and on Super at that, I don't drive it much if at all. My current go-to-work car has 155,000+ miles on it and I expect it to go to 200,000. My motorcycle was bought new in 1992 and now has 100,000+ on the clock, and still going. Your parents were wise to drive them till the wheels came off, its the only way to get your moneys worth. When my dad went for a "new" car, he looked for a good clean used car with 20,000 or so on the clock. I do too.

My kids got me a T-shirt that says "embarrasing my children is just one of the services I offer", and I wore it out.

* * *
Bless you, & your lucky children. "Waste not, want not" is what the old saw said.

338 cygnus  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:34:16pm

re: #244 madisonsfriend

Are you calling my bright red and blue striped trousers with the enormous bell bottoms tacky?

No, that's a crime against humanity.

339 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:34:16pm

re: #329 jpfletcher

Make sure you're around to say howdy to me on our birthday!

340 DesertSage  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:34:29pm

re: #330 Joel

I stand corrected. "Julie" (Lauren Tewes) became a real coke head while on the show and got canned. What the hell did "Doc" do on that ship anyway? I owuld not trust him to clip my toe nails.

Doc chased all the ladies...IIRC.

341 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:34:29pm

re: #235 Adrenalyn

hate to top you (so I politely apologize, in advance)
the wife and I had a Jeep Cherokee die the day we night it in 1984
on the way home from the dealer

pow !

thank you to Lee Iacocca and Chysler
and Dhimmi for bailing them out
and me for being stupid enough to buy the thing
and not reading Consumer Reports auto review issue

was 15 years before I drove another American car after that debacle

Um, that was AMC, and it was not a Cherokee if you got it in 1984.

342 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:34:33pm

re: #331 buzzsawmonkey

How Nehru-minded of you.

I had a Nehru jacket. I don't think I ever wore it out in public.

343 Adrenalyn  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:34:41pm

re: #317 yochanan

THE WORST CLOTHING TREND I BOUGHT ONE OF WAS A NEHRU JACKET put it on twice and then tossed it into the garbage, i must have been stoned to have bought a gold and black paisley jacket after that i just bought levi' jackets

well, my folks would not let me get platform shoes
when they were in vogue
BUT
they did let me get a shag haircut, a la David Cassidy
go figure...

but remember the madrass bedspreads and black light bark posters of those days

my bedroom was draped in madrass bedspreads, susended from the ceiling and bark posters and with blacks lights highlighting them
and a contonuous string of xmas lights on the perimeter

but no platform shoes dammit !
and no white belts either

344 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:34:55pm

re: #333 buzzsawmonkey

I don't know but I NEVER see them anymore - at least around here. I don't recall seeing them since the early 90's

345 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:35:00pm

re: #307 alegrias

* * *
Hush yo mouth. Mr. Grandy (had a funny name on that show) is now a terrific astute LIZARDLY conservative radio personality in Washington DC, on WMAL 630 am from 5am to 9am. Was a Harvard educated, congressional representative from Iowa at some point.

Brilliant, humorous, full of insights about Hollywood, leftism, Congress, real-politic, history, etc.

IMDB on him.

Fred is lovingly known as Gopher by his millions of fans around the world who watched him became for 9 years in the 1970s hit series "The Love Boat" (1977). But, before Fred became well known as an actor, he went to "Phillips Exeter Academy" with David Eisenhower. Later, he became David's best man when he married Julie Nixon. Then, Fred entered "Harvard University" at Cambridge, Massachusetts and graduated in 1970 with a Bachelor's Degree in English.

Fred is a well-educated man and can speak fluently in both French and Arabic.

346 Opinionated  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:35:04pm

re: #281 Pawn of the Oppressor

There is such a thing as change when something fundemenental needs changing.

Giuliani changed NYC. Absolutely and for the better.

What has to be asked of Obama is what is so wrong today that his election can change for the better.

Can he make oil cheaper?

Can he make the Jihadists surrender?

Can he end the housing slump?

When you look objectively at those concerns that actually need solutions, an Obama would make things immeasurably worse.

347 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:35:05pm

re: #317 yochanan

Wasn't Nehru jackets from the mid to late 1960's?

348 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:35:10pm

Adrenalyn
Hot pants and platforms.Yowza!

349 jorline  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:35:15pm

re: #206 madisonsfriend

jorline said the left has been calling the republicans Nazis for years so it is okay if people here call Dems Nazis. My earlier posts/Wrath of God and Yochanan explain our objections to the use of the word nazi in this context

Madison...come out of the sun.
Let me know when you want to apologize for assigning someone else's post to me.

350 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:35:22pm
351 alegrias  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:35:25pm

re: #285 OldLineTexan

Get a custom Che shirt with "Have you hugged a mass murderer today?" printed on the back.

* * *
Perfect tactic.

352 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:35:37pm

re: #258 alegrias

* * *
Down comforters! Heat turned off in bedrooms!
No airconditioning, because President Carter asked us to sacrifice.
My folks were such patriots, though Carter was leading us down the primrose path to laughable laughingstock weak-kneed country status. We pretended it was the great Depression, and IT WAS! The CARTER depression.

Jean Kirkpatrick was right, we were suffering no malaise, we were suffering from President Carter.

There was a woman who should have been president.

353 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:35:37pm

re: #325 Creeping Eruption

Its about time jean jackets came back

They never left.

354 maddogg  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:35:42pm

re: #332 Pawn of the Oppressor

I don't know what my parents drove in the 70s, but going into the 80's they had a VW Rabbit.

Carter looks every inch the bigoted fool he is in that old ad, only younger.

I bought a brand new Rabbit for my first new car. It was a lemon that spent more time in the dealer's shop than it did in my driveway. I sold it the same month the warranty ran out.

355 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:35:50pm
356 JustMyView  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:35:54pm

re: #326 JammieWearingFool

Actually it makes some sense considering how depressed the country will become if a Democrat is elected this November.

Good comeback, but I think they were referring to changes they wanted to promise in their election campaigns. I suspect that the people needing the antidepressants will be Republican House members when they realize just how much the Democratic majority has grown. Last I heard, they were expected to pick up 20 seats.

357 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:35:55pm

re: #325 Creeping Eruption

Its about time jean jackets came back

I was never allowed to own a denim jacket as a lad, so I plan on getting one now - complete with the Iron Maiden album cover patch on the back.

358 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:36:00pm

re: #347 Joel

Wasn't Nehru jackets from the mid to late 1960's?

I had one when i was a young teen in summer camp so late 60's sounds about right.

359 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:36:06pm

re: #221 loppyd

Senator Kennedy out of surgery

As much as I despise the (FRK) Fat Rich Kid - I hope he pulls through.

360 yochanan  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:36:07pm

re: #325 Creeping Eruption

they left? i still wear mine.

361 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:36:32pm

re: #358 Nevergiveup

I had one when i was a young teen in summer camp so late 60's sounds about right.

I thougth so.

362 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:36:32pm

re: #341 Honorary Yooper

Begging your pardon, but there were indeed Jeep Cherokees in 1984.

363 alegrias  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:37:20pm

re: #288 JustMyView

The idea that a non-incumbent would run on the idea of change is hardly surprising. After all, the point is to be different from whatever came before. GWB, as I recall, promised to "change the tone" when he came to Washington.

* * *
Steam clean the Oval Office. Toss the cigars.

Change the carpets.

That was the change I was looking for.

364 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:37:20pm

re: #355 buzzsawmonkey

About 1966-68.

Another weird fashion form the lat 1960's -early 1970's - those exaggerated side burns.

365 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:37:22pm
366 Adrenalyn  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:37:30pm

re: #341 Honorary Yooper

Um, that was AMC, and it was not a Cherokee if you got it in 1984.

no, that was the year of the buyout
it was indeed Chrysler
I have a letter from customer service in Detroit
where they replied to my "demand" for a new car under the 'lemon law'

they basically said, fuck off Mr. ___

the lemon law is worthless
go read it dumbass
(meaning me the dumbass, not you - dear poster)

a very evil company

I finally sent a photo of me driving it with a giant paper mache lemon on the roof rack
they fixed all the problems
gave me a 5 year warranty extension
and I traded it in for an Acura very shortly

367 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:37:46pm

re: #353 MandyManners

So I've been told. I just never see them anymore and have not worn one since the early 90's

368 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:38:15pm

re: #357 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Sweet!

369 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:38:25pm

re: #364 Joel

Another weird fashion form the lat 1960's -early 1970's - those exaggerated side burns.

Mine were from 1981 through 1988...

370 Adrenalyn  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:38:37pm

re: #365 buzzsawmonkey

Wasn't Ward Churchill claiming membership in the Jeep Cherokee tribe back then?

I thought it was the Hakawi tribe ?

oh, that was F Troop...shit, sorry, my bad

371 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:38:56pm

re: #364 Joel

Another weird fashion form the lat 1960's -early 1970's - those exaggerated side burns.

See: Joe Namath. "Very classy."

372 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:39:15pm

re: #365 buzzsawmonkey

Wasn't Ward Churchill claiming membership in the Jeep Cherokee tribe back then?

Ward Churchill founded the Jeep Cherokee tribe.

373 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:39:25pm

re: #340 DesertSage

Doc chased all the ladies...IIRC.

So did Gopher and Isaac the bartender. Most of those guys (at least Doc and Gopher) could not get over in a Hong Kong whore house with a fistful of $50.

374 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:39:40pm

re: #370 Adrenalyn

I thought it was the Hakawi tribe ?

oh, that was F Troop...shit, sorry, my bad

The Hakawi never ever would have allowed Ward SHithead to be a tribe member.

375 'Nam Grunt  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:39:56pm

I still like the no bra look on wimmen, as Richard Pryor said once " I swear one of them winked at me while staring"! ;-)

376 yochanan  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:40:03pm

re: #347 Joel

Wasn't Nehru jackets from the mid to late 1960's?


got mine in 1968 after the 68 dnc which i was at for one day and then got my lilly white ass out of there. chicago cops and rioting comies can be mean ass'd m'f'ers.

377 Endangered in MASS  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:40:04pm

re: #263 RickZ


that was a Chrylser/Dodge /Plymouth staple of the ealry 60's

378 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:40:06pm

re: #371 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

See: Joe Namath. "Very classy."

I never understood why Joe Namath was considered to be good looking.

379 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:40:16pm

re: #367 Creeping Eruption

So I've been told. I just never see them anymore and have not worn one since the early 90's

I've one from Anne Klein. Well, it's a barn jacket but, it's in denim.

380 Viking6  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:40:20pm

re: #343 Adrenalyn

I had a madras jacket and shirts from the early 60's. They were pretty cool after being exposed to the rain. I was a little less fashion concerned after 1972 when I became a police officer, just basic blue with black leather accessories..

381 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:40:31pm

re: #298 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Ghia? I though the VW Karrman Ghia was the only car with that name?

No, Ghia is a styling and coachbuilding house in Turin, that's done did work for many companies, like VW (the Karmann Ghia), Ford, Chrysler, and others. Ford licensed the name for awhile.

Karmann was the coachbuilder that built Karmann Ghias for VW. There's an old saying that goes, "Karmann invented rust, then licensed it to the Italians."

382 kansas  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:40:34pm

That'll save the RNC some production costs. Just run that on TV.

383 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:41:01pm

re: #376 yochanan

got mine in 1968 after the 68 dnc which i was at for one day and then got my lilly white ass out of there. chicago cops and rioting comies can be mean ass'd m'f'ers.

Granny glasses started becoming popular back then although it took me a while to give up my horn rimmed black glasses.

384 Eyes of Blue  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:41:12pm

re: #182 reine.de.tout

I have gotten several calls recently from "877" numbers - actually, there are 2 that keep calling me. I am also on the do-not-call list, but I could find no listing for these numbers so I don't know who it is that is calling.

Contacted the phone company to see what they could do to help me get rid of these calls - nada.


This may help.
[Link: whocalled.us...]

I am also on the do-not-call list but I still get calls for donations to various charities which is not covered under the do-not-call list policy. In other words they can legally call you all they want. I have caller ID and when I see an 877 or 800 number I don't bother answering the phone.

385 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:41:22pm

re: #378 Joel

I never understood why Joe Namath was considered to be good looking.

Because he could throw a football 75 yards on target and like a bullet.

386 beblebrox  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:41:37pm

short history of AMC: from Wikipedia

American Motors Corporation (AMC) was an American automobile company formed on January 14, 1954 by the merger of the Nash-Kelvinator Corporation and the Hudson Motor Car Company. At the time, it was the largest corporate merger in U.S. history, valued at US$198 million ($1.44 billion in 2006 dollars). Declining sales and a fiercely competitive auto market in the United States forced AMC to seek a partner in the late 1970s, which led to a tie-up with France's Renault in 1979. The arrangement lasted until March 2, 1987, when American Motors was purchased by the Chrysler Corporation, which discontinued the use of AMC and Renault brand names in the United States. The Jeep line was continued, as well as some of the models under the Eagle marque.

387 azul93gt  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:41:39pm

Since cars came up don't forget Carter's imposition of 85 mph speedometers in cars regardless of how fast said car actually went. Also remember his 'green' dictate of max 55 mph on the interstates.

388 yochanan  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:41:54pm

re: #375 'Nam Grunt

I still like the no bra look on wimmen, as Richard Pryor said once " I swear one of them winked at me while staring"! ;-)

might be ok on a younger size 6-10 but not on one of those boobies for peace crones.

389 Viking6  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:42:04pm

re: #385 Nevergiveup

and his legs looked great in panty hose

390 jcm  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:42:09pm

re: #364 Joel

Another weird fashion form the lat 1960's -early 1970's - those exaggerated side burns.

When I went into basic one guy had huge side burns. At the barber shop day he was first up, the barber ask him if he like to keep them, with a huge grin he said "I sure would." The barber zipped 'em right off and handed them to him, he looked crushed. We all cracked up. That started the whole "what you laughing at" and push up drill.

391 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:42:09pm

re: #297 Viking6

Please do not forget the fab white shoes and belts

The full Cleveland is the proper term for these accessories when worn with a pastel polyester(was there any other sort) leisure suit.

392 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:42:26pm

re: #379 MandyManners

I've one from Anne Klein. Well, it's a barn jacket but, it's in denim.

I'm talking about the good old Levi denim jean jacket. Besides, as wonderful as my wife is, I don't think she would be ok with me shopping at Anne Klien for jean jackets for me. :)

393 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:42:36pm

I've got to change my socks. I hope I have an extra pair around here somewhere...

394 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:42:37pm

Finally, remember Medal of Honor recipient P.F.C. Ross A. McGinnis tonight. Definitely thread worthy.

395 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:42:54pm

re: #369 OldLineTexan

Mine were from 1981 through 1988...

Sideburns - named after the worst American General ever - Ambrose Everett Burnside. Not too many boys are given the name Anbrose any more.

396 Viking6  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:43:04pm

re: #391 madisonsfriend

Sorry Colorado lad - thought Cleveland burned up on the lake

397 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:43:32pm

All this talk about the 70s and not one mention of the complicated man?

398 jcm  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:43:35pm

re: #393 Golem Akbar

I've got to change my socks. I hope I have an extra pair around here somewhere...

So that's what the smell is...
;-P

399 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:43:40pm

re: #378 Joel

I never understood why Joe Namath was considered to be good looking.

He played Lil' Abner on Broadway. (reeeaaallly short run).

400 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:44:07pm

re: #383 Joel

Granny glasses started becoming popular back then although it took me a while to give up my horn rimmed black glasses.

I'd kill for a pair of those.

401 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:44:16pm

re: #390 jcm

When I went into basic one guy had huge side burns. At the barber shop day he was first up, the barber ask him if he like to keep them, with a huge grin he said "I sure would." The barber zipped 'em right off and handed them to him, he looked crushed. We all cracked up. That started the whole "what you laughing at" and push up drill.

I could imagine someone like Sgt. Foley (Officer and A Gentleman)doing something like that.

402 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:44:17pm
403 ec marm  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:44:18pm

re: #304 buzzsawmonkey

My college roommate had a '63 or '64 Dodge Dart with the pushbutton transmission. Great car, despite the necessity of re-plugging in the radio cable every time you hit a major bump. To be fair, that was not one of the car's original features, but a function of age.


Hehehe - my dad had the Plymouth version of that thing and I can remember pushing the radio cable back in, too. Took my drivers test in it, the day after my 16th birthday. After passing test in that 125 hp piece of junk, pulled into the driveway, got into my 325 hp Chevelle and laughed my ass off. Probably first and only time I beat 'the man'. There was no way anyone at the DMV was gonna let me pass my drivers test in my car. When I started the car, the neighbors coffee cup would rattle off the table to the floor.

404 maddogg  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:44:19pm

re: #387 azul93gt

Since cars came up don't forget Carter's imposition of 85 mph speedometers in cars regardless of how fast said car actually went. Also remember his 'green' dictate of max 55 mph on the interstates.

I remember that stupidity. Typical of Carter's many accomplishments, totally stupid and worthless, just like Carter.

405 alegrias  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:44:45pm

re: #323 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

'tis Gopher of whom you speak. Funny thing that as liberal as Hollywood is, the celebrities who have won public office - Mr. Grandy, Sonny Bono (PBUH)- tend to be right-of-center.

* * *
Thank you lizards. Believe it or not, "Gopher"'s wonderful voice is usually the first thing I hear most mornings! Like LGF Radio, addictive commentary & witticisms.

406 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:44:50pm

re: #400 MandyManners

I'd kill for a pair of those.

You can thank the late John Lennon for popularizing granny glasses.

407 fpxr  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:44:55pm

re: #17 Ward Cleaver

Wow, a Ford Bronco and two old Saabs (96s) parked in the same lot!

Don't forget about the Brand Spankin' new White 1975 Ford Granada and the Light Gold '73 Dodge Dart sedan on the upper level!

408 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:45:43pm

re: #392 Creeping Eruption

I'm talking about the good old Levi denim jean jacket. Besides, as wonderful as my wife is, I don't think she would be ok with me shopping at Anne Klien for jean jackets for me. :)

I reckon not! I still have my Levi jacket hanging in the closet. If it weren't so blazing hot I'd wear it.

409 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:45:51pm

re: #341 Honorary Yooper

Um, that was AMC, and it was not a Cherokee if you got it in 1984.

Jeep Cherokee (XJ Platform), starting in '84. You could choose the AMC 2.5l Hurricane four, or the GM 2.8l V6 from the Chevy Citation.

410 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:46:00pm

re: #315 jorline

madison...Please provide the post in which I made these comments. Everything you've referenced so far has nothing to do with your post. Please play with facts only, madison!

Sorry! - it was ethanexx in post #129 who said what I explained.

411 Silhouette  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:46:04pm

re: #386 beblebrox

Speaking of Kelvinators, my parent's bought a Kelvinator fridge to furnish their new home when they got married. They moved 5 times and two states, and that thing was still going strong around 30 years later. They couldn't get a new one because they were both raised not to waste money and that one was still working fine.

Finally, we talked them into moving it to the garage for "overflow" and they have one from this century.

412 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:46:21pm

re: #399 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He played Lil' Abner on Broadway. (reeeaaallly short run).

And then there was that biker movie and thankfully I forgot the name.

413 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:46:33pm

re: #392 Creeping Eruption

I'm talking about the good old Levi denim jean jacket. Besides, as wonderful as my wife is, I don't think she would be ok with me shopping at Anne Klien for jean jackets for me. :)

Levi still makes 'em, only now they're called trucker jackets.

414 jamgarr  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:46:33pm

re: #395 Joel

Sideburns - named after the worst American General ever - Ambrose Everett Burnside. Not too many boys are given the name Anbrose any more.

Still, better to be the namesake of facial hair than what Gen. Hooker got attached to his name.

415 yochanan  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:46:33pm

never had sideburns mostly i have a full beard with the exception of goatee for the last 40 years. if i shaved no one would know me.

416 Viking6  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:46:45pm

re: #402 buzzsawmonkey

Right... It was about 1969 as I remember it

417 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:46:57pm

re: #406 Joel

You can thank the late John Lennon for popularizing granny glasses.

I hate the latest frames. I look like some latte-sucking Euroweenie.

418 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:47:06pm

re: #402 buzzsawmonkey

You are thinking of how the Cuyahoga River, which runs through Cleveland, caught fire back in the late '60s or so.

Great Randy Newman song.

419 kansas  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:47:07pm

AP's Charles Babington offers this report: "There's ample evidence that Obama is something special, a man who makes difficult tasks look easy, who seems to touch millions of diverse people with a message of hope that somehow doesn't sound Pollyannaish."

In other words, "Look, up in the sky, it's a bird, it's plane...able to leap tall buildings in a single bound, able to stop a speed locomotive, able to...well you know the rest. Oh and by the way, the reason the message of hope doesn't sound Pollyannaish is that it sounds like a load of bullshit.

420 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:47:10pm

re: #408 MandyManners

I had a perfectly worn one in college - it took years to get it there. I have no idea what happened to it - no doubt a casualty of one of many memorable nights I can't remember.

421 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:47:26pm

re: #399 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He played Lil' Abner on Broadway. (reeeaaallly short run).

Rememebr his great TV show about a High School basketball team "The Waverly Wonders"? Did it last moire then 3 episodes (I think Jim Bouton's "Ball Four" lasted 3 episodes).
One of my favorite TV shows from the Carter era "The White Shadow" - only what was the character "Abner Goldstein" doing on that team? He looked like he should have been captain of the chess team.

422 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:47:52pm
423 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:48:34pm

re: #419 kansas

Wasn't Charlie Babington the name in Rain Man?

424 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:48:43pm

re: #413 redstateredneck

Thanks for the link. I think I am going to have to get one.

425 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:48:48pm

re: #362 OldLineTexan

Begging your pardon, but there were indeed Jeep Cherokees in 1984.

I stand corrected on that, but it was an AMC.

426 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:49:12pm

re: #384 Eyes of Blue

This may help.
[Link: whocalled.us...]

I am also on the do-not-call list but I still get calls for donations to various charities which is not covered under the do-not-call list policy. In other words they can legally call you all they want. I have caller ID and when I see an 877 or 800 number I don't bother answering the phone.

got it bookmarked, thank you!

427 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:49:22pm

re: #424 Creeping Eruption

Thanks for the link. I think I am going to have to get one.

Go ahead on; you deserve it!

428 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:49:39pm

re: #417 MandyManners

I hate the latest frames. I look like some latte-sucking Euroweenie.

I hate people like Tina Fey who does not need glasses but wears them ( basically just a glass pane) to affect an intellectual look on TV and the movies.

429 yochanan  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:49:42pm

re: #408 MandyManners

I reckon not! I still have my Levi jacket hanging in the closet. If it weren't so blazing hot I'd wear it.

remembers when levi's were cheap now they are to f''' expansive just go buy a decent off brand. or one from tractors supply or a working mans place.

430 alegrias  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:50:05pm

re: #347 Joel

Wasn't Nehru jackets from the mid to late 1960's?

* * *
Before or after Mao jackets?

What were we thinking having this feeble love fest with totalitarian un-fashion!

Y'all know Yves Saint Laurent died in Paris? He was Mr. Fashionista himself, born in Oran, Algeria no less. He "gave" us the pantsuit for women I think.

431 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:50:16pm

re: #415 yochanan

never had sideburns mostly i have a full beard with the exception of goatee for the last 40 years. if i shaved no one would know me.

My sideburns were shaved in 1988 so I could get married.

I have a gunfighter's drooping moustache now, almost to the jaw. She hates it, but it grows that way, and I am not shaving it. I did break down and buy one of those little scissor/comb combos.

432 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:50:25pm

re: #404 maddogg

I remember that stupidity. Typical of Carter's many accomplishments, totally stupid and worthless, just like Carter.

The 55 started under Nixon, in 1974. I hated that law. I had to live under it until it was repealed in 1995.

I think the hated 55 started people on the road to a general dislike for traffic laws, like light red lights and stop signs (just my opinion).

433 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:50:41pm

re: #422 buzzsawmonkey

Must have been a revival; the original show was in the '50s.

Of course, in the 1960s Li'l Abner was out of favor because Al Capp had turned conservative; he started doing strips that lampooned SDS as SWINE (Students Wildly Indignant about Nearly Everything) and Joan Baez as Joanie Phonie, who sings about poverty and injustice for $10,000 a night.

Then, of course, Capp got caught in some sort of compromising position with a girl who, if not in fact underage, was much much younger than he, and his career tanked.

Capp's artificial leg I think was found under the bed!

434 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:50:49pm

re: #429 yochanan

I've got a Levis jacket- got it at the thrift shop. Around here, lots of people don't keep stuff long- but I do.

435 bellamags  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:51:09pm

re: #368 Creeping Eruption

monkey- OT - are you in FL?

436 cygnus  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:51:50pm

re: #419 kansas

AP's Charles Babington offers this report: "There's ample evidence that Obama is something special, a man who makes difficult tasks look easy, who seems to touch millions of diverse people with a message of hope that somehow doesn't sound Pollyannaish."

In other words, "Look, up in the sky, it's a bird, it's plane...able to leap tall buildings in a single bound, able to stop a speed locomotive, able to...well you know the rest. Oh and by the way, the reason the message of hope doesn't sound Pollyannaish is that it sounds like a load of bullshit.

Superman: Faster than a speeding bullet.
Obama: Wants a handgun ban.
Superman: More powerful than a locomotive.
Obama: Missed the train.
Superman: Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound.
Obama: Gets stuck in elevator.

437 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:52:12pm
438 jcm  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:52:12pm

Warm up that flying pig...

In the WaPo.


The Iraqi Upturn
Don't look now, but the U.S.-backed government and army may be winning the war.
Sunday, June 1, 2008; Page B06

THERE'S BEEN a relative lull in news coverage and debate about Iraq in recent weeks -- which is odd, because May could turn out to have been one of the most important months of the war. While Washington's attention has been fixed elsewhere, military analysts have watched with astonishment as the Iraqi government and army have gained control for the first time of the port city of Basra and the sprawling Baghdad neighborhood of Sadr City, routing the Shiite militias that have ruled them for years and sending key militants scurrying to Iran. At the same time, Iraqi and U.S. forces have pushed forward with a long-promised offensive in Mosul, the last urban refuge of al-Qaeda. So many of its leaders have now been captured or killed that U.S. Ambassador Ryan C. Crocker, renowned for his cautious assessments, said that the terrorists have "never been closer to defeat than they are now."
439 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:52:16pm

re: #417 MandyManners

I hate the latest frames. I look like some latte-sucking Euroweenie.

Consider it urban camo. People won't know the real you and make assumptions. I went to UW-Madison, a more liberal University is hard to find. I had long hair in a pony tail, wore sandals (Naots, not Birkenstocks) and regularly stunned people when I expressed my less than left views. It was loads of fun.

440 yochanan  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:52:25pm

re: #431 OldLineTexan

trimmed my 'stache once wife could not stand it trimmed said it felt like a wire brush when it was long it was soft.

441 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:52:34pm

re: #432 Ward Cleaver

The 55 started under Nixon, in 1974. I hated that law. I had to live under it until it was repealed in 1995.

I think the hated 55 started people on the road to a general dislike for traffic laws, like light red lights and stop signs (just my opinion).

I Can't Drive 55

442 Cognito  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:53:06pm

Well done, Killgore.

Somehow I suspect people on the right have also run on the 'change' platform in times when the left has been in power for a while. But there is a satisfying echo in Carter and Obama's vacuous promise.

443 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:53:41pm

re: #402 buzzsawmonkey

Thought it was Lake Erie.

444 Cognito  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:53:52pm

re: #438 jcm

Warm up that flying pig...

In the WaPo.


The Iraqi Upturn
Don't look now, but the U.S.-backed government and army may be winning the war.
Sunday, June 1, 2008; Page B06

Interesting.

445 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:53:58pm

re: #438 jcm
Worst possible news for the Democrat party.

446 jcm  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:54:00pm

re: #432 Ward Cleaver

The 55 started under Nixon, in 1974. I hated that law. I had to live under it until it was repealed in 1995.

I think the hated 55 started people on the road to a general dislike for traffic laws, like light red lights and stop signs (just my opinion).

IIRC the time lost driving 55 and a greater economic impact the the money saved in fuel.

447 alegrias  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:54:15pm

re: #354 maddogg

I bought a brand new Rabbit for my first new car. It was a lemon that spent more time in the dealer's shop than it did in my driveway. I sold it the same month the warranty ran out.

* * *
We had a Rabbit during Carter's presidency. It came with a lockable gas cap, so people couldn't steal your gas during gas crises! This was when gas caps were removeable, like on jars.

448 maddogg  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:54:21pm

re: #417 MandyManners

Heh. My glasses frames are large and 12 years old. I tell my kids my lack of style IS my style:)

449 'Nam Grunt  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:54:22pm

Well I see the idiot moby Cognito has blessed us , what a tool!

450 DownRightMeanAmerican  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:54:37pm

In the mid eighties I had a 74 ½ MGB, what a pile of shit that car was, to this day I hate old unreliable cars!

I just sold the first vehicle I ever purchased brand new, a 1987 GMC ½ ton PU short-bed, It had over 200,000 miles on it and I only went through 3 transmissions and one rear-end, not bad for this lead foot.

451 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:54:48pm

re: #387 azul93gt

Since cars came up don't forget Carter's imposition of 85 mph speedometers in cars regardless of how fast said car actually went. Also remember his 'green' dictate of max 55 mph on the interstates.

55 mph was imposed back in the Nixon years (started in 1974), and Carter extended it. At least is started to end during the Reagan years (to 65 mph), and came to an end with the election of a Republican House in 1994.

452 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:54:49pm

re: #446 jcm

IIRC the time lost driving 55 and a greater economic impact the the money saved in fuel.

Nixon was not very conservative. In fact he ran one of the most socially and economically liberal administrations ever.

453 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:55:07pm
454 jcm  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:55:12pm

re: #445 redstateredneck

Worst possible news for the Democrat party.

BHO, "we're winning, time to get out."
/

455 Cognito  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:55:32pm

re: #449 'Nam Grunt

Well I see the idiot moby Cognito has blessed us , what a tool!

What's your complaint exactly, NG?

(A gentle word to the ever wise: You might want to look up 'Moby' in the LGF info section.)

456 jcm  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:56:24pm

re: #452 Joel

Nixon was not very conservative. In fact he ran one of the most socially and economically liberal administrations ever.

EPA -- Nixon.
Wage & Price controls -- Nixon.

457 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:56:49pm
458 alegrias  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:56:54pm

re: #366 Adrenalyn

no, that was the year of the buyout
it was indeed Chrysler
I have a letter from customer service in Detroit
where they replied to my "demand" for a new car under the 'lemon law'

they basically said, fuck off Mr. ___

the lemon law is worthless
go read it dumbass
(meaning me the dumbass, not you - dear poster)

a very evil company

I finally sent a photo of me driving it with a giant paper mache lemon on the roof rack
they fixed all the problems
gave me a 5 year warranty extension
and I traded it in for an Acura very shortly

* * *
Best embarassing publicity stunt ever! YOu're a genius.

How do we affix lemons to democrats' lemon "change" ideas?

459 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:57:01pm

re: #385 Nevergiveup

Because he could throw a football 75 yards on target and like a bullet.

I can still remember seeing him crying on the evening news, announcing his "retirement" after Pete Rozelle told him he had to sell his stake in the Bachelors III nightclubs (they later compromised).

460 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:57:06pm

re: #432 Ward Cleaver

The 55 started under Nixon, in 1974. I hated that law. I had to live under it until it was repealed in 1995.

I think the hated 55 started people on the road to a general dislike for traffic laws, like light red lights and stop signs (just my opinion).

I agree, the NMSL was a bad idea, IMHO. By not being realistic, it taught drivers that the limits did not mean anything. Realistic highway limits get followed, unrealistic ones do not.

Another factor in people ignoring stop signs is the fact you can find them for every fricking pedestrian crossing in a shopping center or crosswalk.

461 maddogg  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:57:08pm

re: #432 Ward Cleaver

The 55 started under Nixon, in 1974. I hated that law. I had to live under it until it was repealed in 1995.

I think the hated 55 started people on the road to a general dislike for traffic laws, like light red lights and stop signs (just my opinion).

That was the end of traffic laws for safety, and the beginning of traffic laws as a liberal social experiment. I NEVER wear a seatbelt in a car, only because its none of the government's damn business to protect me from myself.

462 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:57:19pm

re: #456 jcm

Affirmative Action - Nixon
Clean Air Act - Nixon
Endangered Species Act - Nixon

463 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:57:21pm

re: #439 Creeping Eruption

Consider it urban camo. People won't know the real you and make assumptions. I went to UW-Madison, a more liberal University is hard to find. I had long hair in a pony tail, wore sandals (Naots, not Birkenstocks) and regularly stunned people when I expressed my less than left views. It was loads of fun.


I wear Birkenstocks and look kinda like an old hippy. I pass for liberal, but whoa...that's until someone asks me a political question. I love the look of confusion on people's faces when I speak out. heh
[Naots are a tad better than Birks 'cause of where they're made]

464 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:57:26pm

re: #422 buzzsawmonkey

Yeah, it was a revival. But I am not positive it even made it onto stage. Just remember Joe promoting it.

His play by play was wooden. Can't imagine his acting.

465 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:57:55pm

FOX is talking about How Ballard found the Titanic and how the search for Titanic was a cover for Ballard finding 2 sunk US Nuc sunken subs. This has been know for at least 5 years? Why is this new?

466 cygnus  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:57:57pm

re: #438 jcm

Warm up that flying pig...

In the WaPo.


The Iraqi Upturn
Don't look now, but the U.S.-backed government and army may be winning the war.
Sunday, June 1, 2008; Page B06

In the Washington Compost? Shocka!

467 jcm  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:58:00pm

re: #458 alegrias

* * *
Best embarassing publicity stunt ever! YOu're a genius.

How do we affix lemons to democrats' lemon "change" ideas?

After 4 decades and trillions of dollars on the "Great Society" lemon doesn't begin to describe it.

468 Ma Sands  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:58:01pm

re: #453 buzzsawmonkey

I just learned the lakes for the first time, when I picked up a children's book that's been on my shelves since my kids were small --fascinating! :)

469 'Nam Grunt  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:58:26pm

re: #459 Ward Cleaver

Joe Willie was the best, Dan Marino reminded me of him the way he played the position. ;-)

470 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:58:28pm

re: #451 Honorary Yooper

55 mph was imposed back in the Nixon years (started in 1974), and Carter extended it. At least is started to end during the Reagan years (to 65 mph), and came to an end with the election of a Republican House in 1994.

One of the few useful things Clinton did was signing that repeal.

471 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:58:31pm

re: #459 Ward Cleaver

I can still remember seeing him crying on the evening news, announcing his "retirement" after Pete Rozelle told him he had to sell his stake in the Bachelors III nightclubs (they later compromised).

I am a Jet fan. i was pissed.

472 Cognito  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:58:51pm

re: #463 Golem Akbar

I wear Birkenstocks and look kinda like an old hippy. I pass for liberal, but whoa...that's until someone asks me a political question. I love the look of confusion on people's faces when I speak out. heh
[Naots are a tad better than Birks 'cause of where they're made]

Are Birkenstocks still made in Germany? What about Naots?

(For what it's worth, Mephistos are great. Made in France, I think, but also Portugal. But never China, which I like.)

473 ec marm  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:58:56pm

re: #449 'Nam Grunt

Well I see the idiot moby Cognito has blessed us , what a tool!


Na, he's not a moby. He's a hard core contrarian. Who will, just to prove my point, probably argue with my assessment.

474 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:59:20pm

re: #469 'Nam Grunt

Joe Willie was the best, Dan Marino reminded me of him the way he played the position. ;-)

Namath was a great quarterback, and took a lot of punishment.

475 maddogg  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:59:21pm

re: #431 OldLineTexan

I have a gunfighter's drooping moustache now, almost to the jaw. She hates it, but it grows that way, and I am not shaving it. I did break down and buy one of those little scissor/comb combos.

Same here:)

476 Cognito  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:59:25pm

re: #473 ec marm

Na, he's not a moby. He's a hard core contrarian. Who will, just to prove my point, probably argue with my assessment.

I will NOT!

;)

477 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:59:31pm

re: #472 Cognito

Are Birkenstocks still made in Germany? What about Naots?

(For what it's worth, Mephistos are great. Made in France, I think, but also Portugal. But never China, which I like.)


Naots are made in Israel.

478 alegrias  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:59:33pm

re: #378 Joel

I never understood why Joe Namath was considered to be good looking.

* * *
Dimples? Almost a Travolta thing, nice chin, slightly Italian, dark haired, athletic, boyish, good-natured.

479 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:59:47pm

Hannity is going to interview the guy who supposedly knows about the "whitey" tape with Michelle Obama in a few minutes. You can listen free at [Link: www.hannity.com...] if you don't have a radio handy.

480 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:00:03pm

re: #474 Ward Cleaver

Namath was a great quarterback, and took a lot of punishment.

Your right. He stood in there till the last possible second and took it.

481 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:00:09pm

re: #474 Ward Cleaver

Namath was a great quarterback, and took a lot of punishment.

Best QB never to play on a really good team - Sonny Jurgensen.

482 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:00:17pm

re: #471 Nevergiveup

I am a Jet fan. i was pissed.

I'm not a big Jets fan, but I like them.

483 zombie  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:00:27pm

re: #188 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

My initial thought was Windows MovieMaker. Not sure if you have access to Windows box though. I think it came as part of the basic OS package with XP media center edition.

Nope, it's gotta be a Mac program.

484 Ojoe  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:01:02pm

re: #465 Nevergiveup

For real submerged skullduggery, check out the story of the
Glomar Explorer

485 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:01:09pm

re: #446 jcm

IIRC the time lost driving 55 and a greater economic impact the the money saved in fuel.

55 mph didn't even save all that much fuel either. The Heritage Foundation found that it saved a mere 1%.

486 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:01:10pm

re: #459 Ward Cleaver

I can still remember seeing him crying on the evening news, announcing his "retirement" after Pete Rozelle told him he had to sell his stake in the Bachelors III nightclubs (they later compromised).

One of my alltime favorite hockey players was a partner of his in that nightclub. Do you remember who it was?

(hint ,, center ,,, Boston Bruins,,, was named rookie of the year the year after Bobby Orr won it)

487 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:01:14pm

re: #481 Joel

Best QB never to play on a really good team - Sonny Jurgensen.

Maybe, but what about Daddy Manning?

488 zombie  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:01:15pm

re: #200 beblebrox

i use tmpgenc a lot. a good source to learn about video editing and get pointed at software is both [Link: www.vcdhelp.com...] and [Link: www.doom9.org...] a lot has to do with what default codec you are using to encode with. choosing different ones can result in dramatic changes in file size and quality.

I don't want to do any encoding using any codec. I want to simply lop the end off the existing file.

489 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:01:38pm

One of my best friends is from Islip, and he's a long-suffering Jets fan.

490 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:01:50pm

re: #472 Cognito

Are Birkenstocks still made in Germany? What about Naots?

(For what it's worth, Mephistos are great. Made in France, I think, but also Portugal. But never China, which I like.)


Birkenstocks are made in Germany. They're great shoes. Mine are over 15 years old, and have been resoled. I love 'em. But when they're toast, my next pair will be Naots.

491 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:01:52pm
492 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:02:04pm

re: #484 Ojoe

For real submerged skullduggery, check out the story of the
Glomar Explorer

They don't make em like Howard anymore!

493 zombie  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:02:10pm

re: #212 Opinionated

VirtualDub or VirtualDubmod if you can run Windows apps. Freeware

Can't be Windows.

494 Widow'smight  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:02:12pm

re: #453 buzzsawmonkey

Ever take the Ferry boat to South Bass Island and rent a Golf cart for the day?

495 Silhouette  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:02:12pm

re: #456 jcm

EPA -- Nixon.
Wage & Price controls -- Nixon.

Very few presidents combine a genius for domestic affairs with a genius for foriegn affairs. It's usually one or the other.

I kinda like the EPA as an idea, although like most government, it should be about 1/100th the size/influence it actually is.

496 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:02:22pm
497 'Nam Grunt  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:02:25pm

re: #473 ec marm

Charles will dispose of him post haste when he tires of his BS. ;-)

498 Ojoe  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:02:32pm

re: #485 Honorary Yooper

The accident rate went down significantly IIRC.

499 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:02:51pm

re: #487 Nevergiveup

Maybe, but what about Daddy Manning?

Yes he took a huge pounding on the Saints.

500 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:03:05pm

re: #486 sattv4u2

One of my alltime favorite hockey players was a partner of his in that nightclub. Do you remember who it was?

(hint ,, center ,,, Boston Bruins,,, was named rookie of the year the year after Bobby Orr won it)

Sanderson?

501 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:03:09pm
502 wolfie  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:03:15pm

re: #446 jcm

IIRC the time lost driving 55 and a greater economic impact the the money saved in fuel.

I remember I didn't see what was so terrible about the 55 mph limit when it first came out. I was living in the Wash DC metro area at the time.
Then I spent a couple of months in New Mexico.
Heh.

A federally imposed driving limit makes about as much sense as a federal minimum wage.

503 Ma Sands  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:03:47pm

re: #491 buzzsawmonkey

Yes...after reading it, a week or so ago, I looked up the storyline of all the others...and recommended them to my son to get the pack of them for homeschooling his little ones... :)

504 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:03:55pm

re: #500 Nevergiveup

Sanderson?

ding ding ding

505 Silhouette  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:04:12pm

re: #502 wolfie

A federally imposed driving limit makes about as much sense as a federal minimum wage.

Or centrally planned anything.

One size does not fit all.

506 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:04:15pm
507 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:04:23pm

re: #463 Golem Akbar

I wear Birkenstocks and look kinda like an old hippy. I pass for liberal, but whoa...that's until someone asks me a political question. I love the look of confusion on people's faces when I speak out. heh
[Naots are a tad better than Birks 'cause of where they're made]

Twas my fiorst week on campus and was having lunch with my then girl friend and some unwashed hippie girl she met. The hippie girl was aghast that I had avocado slices on my salad and took me to task for supporting human rights abuses in Equador (I think). She then went on to tell me how she was a vegan, didn't wear leather, etc. You know the song and dance. Anyway, in very dramatic fashion I lifted the table cloth and pointed to her Birkenstocks and asked her what they were made of - because, of course she doesn't wear leather. "Oh" she said, "those are made from the hides of diseased cows. They are not killed for their skins."
"So" I said, "you would rather let the poor suffering cow continue its miserable diseased life, etc. so you can feel good about wearing . . ."

You can imagine how the rest of the conversation went. Needless to say, I never saw unwashed hippie chick again. Libs sure can dish it out, but suck at taking it back.

I had such a spring in my step that day.

508 ec marm  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:04:37pm

re: #488 zombie

I don't want to do any encoding using any codec. I want to simply lop the end off the existing file.


I can't believe that should be so tough on a Mac. After watching the brainwashing commercials on the tube, you'd just automatically assume Mac was the best at everything.
Seriously, the process you are referring to is a two minute, with about 20 different screen resolution option, process in Windows Moviemaker. A free program with XP.

509 WrathofG-d  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:04:43pm

re: #502 wolfie

Who died and left the Fed Gov in charge of how fast I can drive?

Is there nothing they wish to controll?

510 Ojoe  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:04:59pm

re: #492 Nevergiveup

Nope. A contemporary said of him that ice water flowed in his veins.

511 joncelli  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:05:15pm

re: #481 Joel

Oh, I remember Sonny's passes -- insanely ugly, but they got there (or am I thinking of Billy Kilmer?).

512 jpfletcher  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:05:37pm

re: #488 zombie

[Link: www.google.com...]

513 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:05:56pm

re: #498 Ojoe

The accident rate went down significantly IIRC.

That's also false. The reason why the fatality rate went down was that cars were made safer, and more people were wearing seat belts. Even today, with higher limits than the NMSL era, the fatality rate continues to drop.

514 alegrias  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:06:00pm

re: #452 Joel

Nixon was not very conservative. In fact he ran one of the most socially and economically liberal administrations ever.

* * *
Nixon started Affirmative Action and Environmental Protection Agency.

515 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:06:22pm

re: #511 joncelli

Oh, I remember Sonny's passes -- insanely ugly, but they got there (or am I thinking of Billy Kilmer?).

Kilmer threw the "wounded ducks". Sonny had a very good arm

516 Ojoe  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:06:33pm

re: #513 Honorary Yooper

Yea technology !

back to work, BBL

517 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:06:37pm

re: #511 joncelli

Oh, I remember Sonny's passes -- insanely ugly, but they got there (or am I thinking of Billy Kilmer?).

You ar ethinking of Kilmer. Jurgensen could throw a lighting rod. Kilmer's passes would wobble.

518 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:06:44pm

re: #510 Ojoe

Nope. A contemporary said of him that ice water flowed in his veins.

Kinda like VP Chaney.

519 beblebrox  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:07:28pm

re: #488 zombie

well, Mac or PC there is always some sort of codec involved in the video. the real trick is to make sure when editing to make sure the video isn't re-encoded using a more cumbersome, lower quality one.

The act of lopping of a few frames by necessity requires a reevaluation of the file, for the time stamp built into an AVi file, etc.

520 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:07:32pm

re: #472 Cognito

Naots are made in Israel. Mephistos are terribly comfortable - even if made in France, I still like em.

521 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:07:36pm

re: #484 Ojoe

For real submerged skullduggery, check out the story of the
Glomar Explorer

I've got a picture of the Glomar Explorer. I saw it back in 1984, when driving through Benicia, on Suisun Bay. It was in mothballs then. Freaked me out when I saw it, 'cause I had no idea it was there.

522 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:07:53pm

re: #514 alegrias

* * *
Nixon started Affirmative Action and Environmental Protection Agency.

Yes I mentioned that. He also gave away wheat to the USSR at bargain prices and initiated "Detente" with the USSR. JFK cut taxes across the board, Nixon never did.

523 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:08:11pm

re: #488 zombie
Go to this site, and send your question via contact us. He does all of his film editing on a Mac. Friend of my daughter.

524 godfrey  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:08:21pm

re: #444 Cognito

THERE'S BEEN a relative lull in news coverage and debate about Iraq in recent weeks -- which is odd, because May could turn out to have been one of the most important months of the war.

DUH. If May was important because it was full of good news, you can bet your a** there'd be a "relative lull in news coverage."

"Odd" - *snort*

525 razorbacker  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:08:46pm

re: #474 Ward Cleaver

Namath was a great quarterback, and took a lot of punishment.

Namath didn't need any more punishment. He'd played for Bear Bryant down in Alabama. If you played for Bear, you tried to run the ball. Namath's knees were already shot by the time he got to the pros.

Had he come up when the current passing game was king, who knows what might have been.

526 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:08:53pm

re: #517 Joel

You ar ethinking of Kilmer. Jurgensen could throw a lighting rod. Kilmer's passes would wobble.

Alot of the great Quarterbacks like Sonny, Namath, etc had no fear. They would get picked off or pounded, get back up and throw it down field on the next play.

527 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:09:12pm
528 Cognito  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:09:20pm

re: #477 Golem Akbar

Naots are made in Israel.

Very cool, I didn't know that. I'll have to give them another look.

Anyone know other products made in Israel?

529 mama winger  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:09:39pm

re: #526 Nevergiveup

Brett Favre never missed a start.

530 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:09:43pm

re: #526 Nevergiveup

Another great one who never made it to the Super Bowl - Dan Fouts.

531 alegrias  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:10:01pm

re: #467 jcm

After 4 decades and trillions of dollars on the "Great Society" lemon doesn't begin to describe it.

* * *
So why can democrats keep peddling LEMONS?

Because billions of people FORGET!

We here are remembering how lemons were sold to us, how we voted for lemons, and how bad the lemonade tasted!

NEVER AGAIN, lemons policies for president.

532 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:10:33pm

re: #528 Cognito

Very cool, I didn't know that. I'll have to give them another look.

Anyone know other products made in Israel?

Intel Inside!

533 Alouette  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:10:35pm

re: #507 Creeping Eruption

"Oh" she said, "those are made from the hides of diseased cows. They are not killed for their skins."

I remember hearing a DJ back in the '60's describing the nuptials of John Lennon and Yoko Ono. "The bride and groom wore shoes and jackets made of human hair, because they are opposed to the killing of animals for their hides." Then he said, "I'm kind of opposed to the killing of humans for their hair."

534 Cognito  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:10:46pm

re: #497 'Nam Grunt

Charles will dispose of him post haste when he tires of his BS. ;-)

Do you have a specific disagreement, or are you just generally complaining?

535 'Nam Grunt  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:10:51pm

re: #530 Joel

Joe Gilliam of the Steelers would have been the greatest if he hadn't taken to drug road!

536 wolfie  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:10:54pm

re: #509 WrathofG-d

Who died and left the Fed Gov in charge of how fast I can drive?

Is there nothing they wish to controll?


We are supposed to have a limited federal government at least.
But a Constitution can protect us only if judges choose to read it plainly.
Now there's nothing the feds think they can't or shouldn't do.
Health care, light bulbs, day care...anything.

537 godfrey  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:10:56pm

re: #527 buzzsawmonkey

Your girlfriend should've said "yes, it's dyed with natural compounds."

538 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:10:56pm

re: #529 mama winger

Brett Favre never missed a start.

He is a throw back for sure

539 Adrenalyn  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:11:03pm

Nixon also gave us "ping pong diplomacy"

I still have 2 paddles from the Red Chinese Government

by today's standards
the quality is low

but that they came from the great red satan
they are priceless to me
and are enshrined in my home office bookcase

540 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:11:13pm

re: #528 Cognito

Very cool, I didn't know that. I'll have to give them another look.

Anyone know other products made in Israel?

unfotunately, human fodder for Palistinian rocket attacks

541 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:11:37pm

re: #535 'Nam Grunt

Joe Gilliam of the Steelers would have been the greatest if he hadn't taken to drug road!

Yeah, that was sad.

542 nikis-knight  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:11:46pm

re: #86 madisonsfriend

Wrath, I agree with you. I find it beyond offensive when people decide to call others they don't like Nazis. Democrats are not Nazis and I even am offended by someone suggesting that the Democratic party be outlawed. This is America and half of our population are not Nazis. My father and my uncles fought in WWII - they knew(all passed on now) what the Nazis were about and what they did- even more so because we are Jewish. I guess the person who started this really doesn't know what the Nazis did- or is not affected by it enough to refrain from throwing the word "Nazi" around.

Not even every Fascist should be called Nazis, as they added the genocide to the totalitarianism for a special, unique brand of evil.

I would say not even every communist should be called 'soviet', except that pretty much every communist DID resort to mass slaughter. A special, sadly common, brand of evil.

543 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:11:46pm

re: #535 'Nam Grunt

Joe Gilliam of the Steelers would have been the greatest if he hadn't taken to drug road!

Not sure about Gilliam. The biggest bust of all - Ryan Leaf!

544 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:11:52pm

re: #322 wolfie

I bought my first car in 1973. It was a 1961 Plymouth Valiant coupe with PUSH-BUTTON automatic transmission ! Cost me $100. Believe it or not, it was a great car, though I named him Rusty for a good reason.
I sold it for $100 in 1977, the day Elvis died. Heard about him on the radio on the way back from the DMV.

Did you assume that Elvis exploded, like I did?

545 Vergeltung  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:11:57pm

re: #528 Cognito

Very cool, I didn't know that. I'll have to give them another look.
Anyone know other products made in Israel?

some really delicious baked sesame sticks they sell here at the courthouse cafe. man, they are addicting! :)

546 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:12:10pm
547 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:12:16pm

re: #543 Joel

Not sure about Gilliam. The biggest bust of all - Ryan Leaf!

And what a pleasant guy to boot!

548 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:12:55pm

re: #539 Adrenalyn

Nixon also gave us "ping pong diplomacy"

I still have 2 paddles from the Red Chinese Government


Who are you ,, Forrest Gump ?

549 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:12:55pm

re: #524 godfrey

DUH. If May was important because it was full of good news, you can bet your a** there'd be a "relative lull in news coverage."

"Odd" - *snort*

No news is good news, especially if it comes out of Iraq.

550 mama winger  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:13:20pm

re: #546 buzzsawmonkey

Beautifeel shoes, for women, are made in Israel. They make an astonishing number of very interesting styles, many of them with nice, wide toes and intelligent heels.

Some of my drugs are made in Israel. Thank you, Israelis. You keep me sane. :)

551 Silhouette  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:13:30pm

re: #527 buzzsawmonkey

Mr. Silhouette and I laugh at the "natural" qualifier for sea salt. As if rock salt is made by DeathChemCo.

552 alegrias  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:13:32pm

re: #495 Silhouette

Very few presidents combine a genius for domestic affairs with a genius for foriegn affairs. It's usually one or the other.

I kinda like the EPA as an idea, although like most government, it should be about 1/100th the size/influence it actually is.

* * *
It's on steroids now, as climate change is now a global government industry with no one cutting back, only adding exponentially.

Corporations needs environmental lawyers to interpret & keep them from running afoul of tons of new green laws.

553 Alouette  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:13:33pm

re: #528 Cognito

Very cool, I didn't know that. I'll have to give them another look.

Anyone know other products made in Israel?

Ahava Dead Sea cosmetics.

554 godfrey  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:13:41pm

re: #546 buzzsawmonkey

Buzz, what's the vegan line on nanotechnology? "Organic compounds only"?

555 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:13:49pm

re: #547 Nevergiveup

And what a pleasant guy to boot!

From the Class of 1983 more busts - Ken O'Brien, Tony Eason, andTodd Blackledge. Other later busts - Todd Marinovich.

556 wolfie  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:14:10pm

re: #511 joncelli

Oh, I remember Sonny's passes -- insanely ugly, but they got there (or am I thinking of Billy Kilmer?).

You're thinking of Billy Kilmer.
The toughness of Bret Favre. Shrewd & effective, but hilariously awkward.

Nothing ugly about Sonny's passes, to put it mildly.
And no one before or since has run a 2-minute drill like him.

diehard Redskins fan!

557 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:14:14pm

re: #527 buzzsawmonkey

The fantasy that diseased cows are culled for hippie footwear gives one an interesting insight into the delusions of the PC.

Here's a similar story; many years ago, my girlfriend attempted to sell a red Coach handbag through the newsletter at the food co-op we were both members of. She got a call from a potential purchaser whose interest snapped off short when she got an affirmative answer to the question, "Is the leather dyed?" Apparently the would-be purchaser was under the impression that red handbags are made from the hides of red cows, or something. She didn't mind owning something of animal hide, but G-d forbid that it not be "natural."

I don't even try to understand PC-ism. I couldn't then, and I am much less patient now to try and do so. As for the red cow hide, She obviously was not up on her "old testament" was she - missing the significance of a red hefer and all. HAAA the red herfer killed for a coach bag. That sounds like the makings of a good story.

558 ec marm  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:14:21pm

re: #497 'Nam Grunt

Charles will dispose of him post haste when he tires of his BS. ;-)


I don't know. If you are ever in the mood to argue without hopes of winning, Cognito can be a good way to burn some time. He usually doesn't disintegrate into a stream of expletives or imaginary yachts, impossible IQ scores, or other fun stuff. Best to scroll over if you don't want to play his game.

559 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:14:21pm

re: #334 rawmuse

The best thing that "The Love Boat" had going for it was the theme song, which was sung by Jack Jones, a guy who has great pipes.

I've been looking for his version of 'Bewitched'. Wonderful!

560 Cognito  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:14:30pm

re: #546 buzzsawmonkey

Beautifeel shoes, for women, are made in Israel. They make an astonishing number of very interesting styles, many of them with nice, wide toes and intelligent heels.

I also think -- and I'm only half-kidding here -- that part of the animosity from surrounding countries toward Israel is jealousy over the quality and variety of their ice cream.

I've never seen or tasted such stuff in my life.

561 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:14:38pm
562 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:14:41pm

re: #543 Joel

Not sure about Gilliam. The biggest bust of all - Ryan Leaf!

He was even featured in the "Ten Biggest Draft Busts" show I saw on NFL Network, right before this year's draft. IIRC, he was Number One.

563 razorbacker  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:14:46pm

I was asst. mgr. of a Wally World the day Elvis died. I actually had to send four women home.

They were crying so hard that they couldn't work.

Man, I doubt that my wife and daughter will cry that hard when I die.

564 WrathofG-d  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:14:47pm

re: #536 wolfie

You can thank an activist judges' reinterpretation of the Commerce Clause for that.

565 beblebrox  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:14:51pm

re: #539 Adrenalyn

Nixon also gave us "ping pong diplomacy"

I still have 2 paddles from the Red Chinese Government

by today's standards
the quality is low

but that they came from the great red satan
they are priceless to me
and are enshrined in my home office bookcase


I QSL'ed the Radio Peiking back in the early 70's. i got on their mailing list and every year during the late Cultural Revolution got a calendar in the mail with such stirring monthly art as "The New Physician Goes Off To Assist The Farmers With The Harvest" and other such tripe.

566 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:15:03pm

re: #467 jcm

After 4 decades and trillions of dollars on the "Great Society" lemon doesn't begin to describe it.

Ronald Reagan, "In the sixties we waged a war on poverty, and poverty won."

Randall Cunningham could throw a ball pretty well.

567 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:15:04pm
568 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:15:33pm

re: #562 Ward Cleaver

He was even featured in the "Ten Biggest Draft Busts" show I saw on NFL Network, right before this year's draft. IIRC, he was Number One.

was Brian Bosworth on that list?

569 Widow'smight  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:15:55pm

re: #506 buzzsawmonkey

West of Cleveland, near Sandusky and Cedar Point Amusement Park.
There are 5 Islands out on the Lake, with South Bass being the most Popular. A bunch of Bars/Restaurants on the Island, and a couple other things to do.

Admiral Perry Historical Museum there also where they fire replica Cannons and rifles.

570 godfrey  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:15:56pm

re: #546 buzzsawmonkey

For pun reason, "Beautifeel" has a buzzsawmonkey ring to it.

571 bellamags  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:16:03pm

Since some of us are talking about speed limits and road rules, I have thought traffic laws and speed limits are a micro-version of liberal society.

-There are limits as to how fast you can progress.

-Drivers who drive SLOW in the left hand lane slow it down for ALL and rarely get ticketed or warned, but those who go FAST get the tickets. If you want to pass someone, they block you.

-Stop lights and stop signs (having to stop even on a deserted street) are dumbing everyone down. It seems to me the traffic moves better when the street lights are out.

-The government makes money if you follow the rules OR break them.

-If you have one limb and one working eye, you can get a license and participate.

-The driving test is too easy.

-You do NOT have the right to drive, it is a privilege.

-Insurance is REQUIRED.

572 ec marm  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:16:18pm

re: #550 mama winger

Some of my drugs are made in Israel. Thank you, Israelis. You keep me sane. :)


Self report. Notorious for inaccuracy. (Psychology 101)
:~)

573 nikis-knight  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:16:22pm

re: #163 Kosh's Shadow

Here's why Obama is loved by the young:

Read the whole thing.
"Change" and "Hope" ? Cool.
What's that other dude saying? Man, that takes too long to listen to.
/young idiot mode off

Anyone up for raising the voting age again?
Nah, why bother, they don't show up anyway. Elections are so much more boring than rallies, man! Unless Obama could get a free rock concert at every polling place?

574 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:16:31pm

re: #568 Joel

was Brian Bosworth on that list?

Oh yeah. I saw it too.

575 patrap  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:16:32pm

"bullcutter" on digg has submitted this article and completely misrepresents it. Again.

576 alegrias  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:16:38pm

re: #509 WrathofG-d

Who died and left the Fed Gov in charge of how fast I can drive?

Is there nothing they wish to controll?

* * *
If people are driving on government built roads where fellow taxpayers drive, it probably is their business.

What, we should have AUTOBAHNS and germanic road warriors?

577 Silhouette  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:16:41pm

Sara's Prints childrens pajamas are made in Israel.

578 Cognito  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:16:53pm

re: #561 taxfreekiller

On Cognito:
That and he will not say one bad thing about traitors like John F'n Kerry.

Wow. I learn something new about myself every day.

Here's an idea: Talk about something more interesting. Like Jimmy Carter's goofball advertisment. Or like Israeli products.

579 mama winger  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:17:11pm

re: #572 ec marm

:-P

580 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:17:13pm
581 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:17:15pm

re: #556 wolfie

I agree about Kilmer (see my 515)

Today, Manning (Peyton) and Brady do the 2 minute thing great

(both are so calm they look like they have 2 HOURS left, not 2 minutes)

582 Sizzlack  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:17:19pm
583 WrathofG-d  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:17:24pm

re: #570 godfrey

I like any company whose tagline is: every woman deserves a pair.

+he he he

584 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:17:37pm

re: #568 Joel

was Brian Bosworth on that list?

I forget, was he just a straight out bust or did he get hurt?

585 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:17:41pm

re: #574 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I remember Bo Jackson running right over him. Now there was a guy who threw it all way playing his "hobby". With the lousy pitching in baseball he could have hit 500 lifetime Home runs.

586 Ma Sands  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:17:47pm

re: #546 buzzsawmonkey

nice, wide toes and intelligent heels.

When I finally get to Israel, I will be sure to look them up! :)

587 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:18:03pm
588 mama winger  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:18:22pm

re: #582 Sizzlack

lol ! !

589 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:18:31pm

re: #584 Nevergiveup

I forget, was he just a straight out bust or did he get hurt?

A straight bust.

590 formercorpsman  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:18:34pm

re: #566 Fat Bastard Vegetarian


Actually could punt too.

591 wolfie  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:18:40pm

re: #544 debutaunt

Did you assume that Elvis exploded, like I did?

Blasphemy!

But since you mentioned it, it did cross my mind! :D

592 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:18:47pm
593 Racer X  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:19:10pm

Save us o-Barry-one-no-whitey! You're our only hope!

Ahmadinejad says Israel will soon disappear
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad predicted on Monday that Muslims would uproot "satanic powers" and repeated his controversial belief that Israel will soon disappear, the Mehr news agency reported.
"I must announce that the Zionist regime (Israel), with a 60-year record of genocide, plunder, invasion and betrayal is about to die and will soon be erased from the geographical scene," he said.

"Today, the time for the fall of the satanic power of the United States has come and the countdown to the annihilation of the emperor of power and wealth has started."

"I tell you that with the unity and awareness of all the Islamic countries all the satanic powers will soon be destroyed," he said to a group of foreign visitors ahead of the 19th anniversary of the death of revolutionary leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini.

Ahmadinejad also again expressed his apocalyptic vision that tyranny in the world be abolished by the return to earth of the Mahdi, the 12th imam of Shiite Islam, alongside great religious figures including Jesus Christ.

"With the appearance of the promised saviour... and his companions such as Jesus Christ, tyranny will be soon be eradicated in the world."

Ahmadinejad has always been a devotee of the Mahdi, who Shiites believe disappeared more than a thousand years ago and who will return one day to usher in a new era of peace and harmony.

594 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:19:20pm

re: #590 formercorpsman

Actually could punt too.

Think a 91 yarder? I'm a die hard cowboys fan, but Randall got my spect!

595 mama winger  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:19:31pm

re: #586 Ma Sands

When I finally get to Israel, I will be sure to look them up! :)

You and I should go together. Wouldn't that be great ?!

Someday, before I die. I swear.

596 Ma Sands  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:19:37pm

re: #561 taxfreekiller

You fillin' in for Babba...? :)

597 zombie  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:19:56pm

OK, for anyone interested:

After some searching, I tracked down this Mac program:

SimpleMovieX v. 3.7

I've already tried it on a sample video -- seems to do exactly what I wanted!

Tentatively recommended to Mac-based video YouTube users.

You can't do any fancy editing, but it seems to allow "lopping off" portions very nicely. Resulting file: small file file, quality unchanged from original!

598 alegrias  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:19:57pm

re: #522 Joel

Yes I mentioned that. He also gave away wheat to the USSR at bargain prices and initiated "Detente" with the USSR. JFK cut taxes across the board, Nixon never did.

* * *
Sock it to you? How else could Nixon afford the NASA moon travel, Vietnam War, China trips, helping Israel beat her unfriendly radically violent neighbors, and Great Society taxgobbling programs Johnson established?

599 mama winger  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:20:13pm

re: #592 buzzsawmonkey

Check out their website; I provided the link upthread. They are sold here, not just in Israel.

I like the red ones.

600 formercorpsman  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:20:29pm

re: #594 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It was far, I remember that.

601 Widow'smight  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:20:40pm

re: #563 razorbacker


All the way to the bank.

602 mama winger  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:21:33pm

OT -

Anyone here notice who is way out ahead in first place in Major League Baseball?

oh yeah - that would be my Cubbies.

603 formercorpsman  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:21:44pm

Just heard the audio of that woman mad about Hillary.

I really, really, really, hope they take to the convention.

Really.

604 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:21:46pm
605 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:21:58pm
606 Ma Sands  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:22:06pm

re: #592 buzzsawmonkey

Oh! I was so fascinated with the slide show, I forgot to look further! :)

607 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:22:06pm

re: #600 formercorpsman

He was actually pretty slight, but damn he could take a hit (or better evade a hit). He's one of my all time faves.

608 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:22:22pm
609 alegrias  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:22:35pm

re: #550 mama winger

Some of my drugs are made in Israel. Thank you, Israelis. You keep me sane. :)

* * *
Pharmaceutical generics that is!

610 mama winger  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:22:36pm

re: #605 buzzsawmonkey

I need to send you a cautionary Hans Christian Andersen tale.

I'll be okay as long as the only place I wear them to is the vet.

611 Ma Sands  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:22:41pm

re: #595 mama winger

Yes! Oh, yes! :) :) :)

612 ec marm  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:22:49pm

re: #578 Cognito

Or like Israeli products.


Their wine is good if you can find it in your area.

613 RickZ  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:22:52pm

re: #526 Nevergiveup

Alot of the great Quarterbacks like Sonny, Namath, etc had no fear. They would get picked off or pounded, get back up and throw it down field on the next play.

And Unitas. God help the lineman responsible for Unitas getting hit. The huddle afterwards was a very small place and Unitas had a big mouth.

614 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:22:55pm

re: #568 Joel

was Brian Bosworth on that list?

Yes! Along with Tony Mandarich. I was just about to post their names.

Bosworth once claimed that when he worked in the GM assembly plant in Oklahoma City that he hid glass soda bottles in inaccessible places in new cars, to drive owners crazy. What a jerk. Of course it could have been BS.

615 zombie  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:22:57pm

Thanks for all the suggestions everyone. Hope my solution keeps working! If not, I'll follow your leads.

Now the last step: will YouTube accept it? I will try now.

616 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:22:58pm

re: #602 mama winger

OT -

Anyone here notice who is way out ahead in first place in Major League Baseball?

oh yeah - that would be my Cubbies.

But managed by a Former Yankee, and powered by Another. So they have a soft spot in my heart.

617 formercorpsman  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:23:05pm

re: #602 mama winger

Ok today is 06/02/2008.

I'll give you my condolences in August.

618 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:23:08pm
619 'Nam Grunt  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:23:12pm

re: #603 formercorpsman

Although she is a flaming moonbat I kinda' like that Harriet from NY, she gave it to them good! LOL

620 mama winger  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:24:23pm

re: #611 Ma Sands

I have to scrape some major money together. Or else waith for my kids to send me. As I am astonishingly poor, I'll probably have to go with Plan B.

621 razorbacker  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:24:25pm

re: #601 Widow'smight

All the way to the bank.

Depends on how well I do on that whole "spend her inheritance" thing.

BBL. I've finally got these intraweb tubies aligned again, and I'm going outside and torque everything back down.

Consarned satellite delivered intraweb. Don't know how much you rely on internet until you don't have it for a few days.

622 Alouette  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:24:29pm

re: #612 ec marm

Their wine is good if you can find it in your area.

Golan Heights wine, buy as many cases as you can before Syria takes over.

623 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:24:30pm
624 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:24:33pm

re: #612 ec marm

Their wine is good if you can find it in your area.

And if and when you make it to Israel, do NOT forget to visit the Golan Winery and take the tour. And take a few bottles home also!

625 funkyfantom  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:24:41pm

re: #129 ethanxxx

The progressive left has been throwing the accusation of "NAZI" at the republicans for years. There isn't a Damn thing wrong with throwing it back at them. The majority of these historically challenged fools no nothing about Nazism, most don't even know that the word means National Socialist... the exact goal of their own party. In my educated opinion, the only other organization that comes close to paralleling the Nazi Party besides Democrats would be Islam, which is probably why they are such close allies.

Please would someone please flush this 'Democrat=nazi' meme out of here. People have the right to speak their mind of course, but you need a minimum standard for serious discussion.

626 godfrey  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:24:42pm

Hans says:

“Dance you shall,” said he, “dance in your red shoes till you are pale and cold, till your skin shrivels up and you are a skeleton! Dance you shall, from door to door, and where proud and wicked children live you shall knock, so that they may hear you and fear you! Dance you shall, dance—!”

“Mercy!” cried Karen. But she did not hear what the angel answered, for the shoes carried her through the gate into the fields, along highways and byways, and unceasingly she had to dance.

One morning she danced past a door that she knew well; they were singing a psalm inside, and a coffin was being carried out covered with flowers. Then she knew that she was forsaken by every one and damned by the angel of God.

She danced, and was obliged to go on dancing through the dark night. The shoes bore her away over thorns and stumps till she was all torn and bleeding; she danced away over the heath to a lonely little house. Here, she knew, lived the executioner; and she tapped with her finger at the window and said:

“Come out, come out! I cannot come in, for I must dance.”

And the executioner said: “I don’t suppose you know who I am. I strike off the heads of the wicked, and I notice that my axe is tingling to do so.”

“Don’t cut off my head!” said Karen, “for then I could not repent of my sin. But cut off my feet with the red shoes.”

A tale told by a mollah, full of sound and fury?

627 azul93gt  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:24:48pm

432 Ward Cleaver 6/02/08 12:50:25 pm

The 55 started under Nixon, in 1974. I hated that law. I had to live under it until it was repealed in 1995.

THX, I stand corrected. I remember as young person watching some lady from the Carter administration's Dept. of Trans rather arrogantly defending it to the hilt on Night-Line. IIRC One of Reagan's campaign planks was to repeal it.

628 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:24:51pm

re: #619 'Nam Grunt

Harriet is my freakin' hero. And she was absolutely right to be angry. Let's see if she gets some interviews from that. Let's hope so. Mebbe a radio show from the convention in Denver.

629 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:25:05pm

re: #614 Ward Cleaver

Yes! Along with Tony Mandarich. I was just about to post their names.

Bosworth once claimed that when he worked in the GM assembly plant in Oklahoma City that he hid glass soda bottles in inaccessible places in new cars, to drive owners crazy. What a jerk. Of course it could have been BS.

Bosworth also was a steroids guy

630 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:25:06pm

re: #602 mama winger

OT -

Anyone here notice who is way out ahead in first place in Major League Baseball?

oh yeah - that would be my Cubbies.

Hi Mama...I am going to the Cubs spring training thing next year. My friend is bringing me this time. I am hoping it will be with the World Series Champion Cubs Camp.

631 mama winger  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:25:21pm

re: #617 formercorpsman

Ok today is 06/02/2008.

I'll give you my condolences in August.

There will be NONE OF THAT negativity, my dear young man! NO NO NO !

:)

632 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:25:43pm
633 'Nam Grunt  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:25:45pm

re: #628 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

She's on Cavuto now!

634 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:26:05pm
635 mama winger  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:26:13pm

re: #630 NJDhockeyfan

Hi Mama...I am going to the Cubs spring training thing next year. My friend is bringing me this time. I am hoping it will be with the World Series Champion Cubs Camp.

Oh it will be - it will be! THIS YEAR is the Year !

636 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:26:23pm

re: #555 Joel

From the Class of 1983 more busts - Ken O'Brien, Tony Eason, andTodd Blackledge. Other later busts - Todd Marinovich.

Tony Eason was not a bust. He took the Patriots to Super Bowl XX in 1986, where they were destroyed by the Super Bowl Shufflin' Bears 48-10.

637 WrathofG-d  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:26:33pm

Are we no longer discussing Obama and Carter :+: Barak O'Carter.

638 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:26:47pm

re: #602 mama winger

It's June. Get back to us in September. :)

639 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:26:48pm

re: #633 'Nam Grunt

She's on Cavuto now!

OH SHITE! WOO HOO!

640 Ma Sands  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:26:49pm

re: #620 mama winger

Me, too...but, there's other ways, too: "With Him, all things are possible." :)

641 razorbacker  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:26:53pm

re: #631 mama winger

There will be NONE OF THAT negativity, my dear young man! NO NO NO !

:)

Those who do not study history are condemned to repeat it.

Someone famous said that. Don't remember who.

642 formercorpsman  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:27:05pm

re: #619 'Nam Grunt

I only heard the audio.

I am sure the video would be grand.

The hypocrisy with democrats complaining about what you can't say is immeasurable.

Did you ever think you would see the day?

643 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:27:08pm

re: #602 mama winger

OT -

Anyone here notice who is way out ahead in first place in Major League Baseball?

oh yeah - that would be my Cubbies.

HOLD THE WEDDIN' ,,,

Cubs ,, 36-21
Red Sox (yes ,, that would be the WORLD CHAMPION Red Sox) ,, 35-24.

By my humble calculations, that would be a 2 game difference, with the Sox playing in a far tougher division

MAMA ,, I love ya, and I would love to see a Cub/ Sos world series (imagine, Wrigley and Fenway),, BUT ,,, GO SOX ! !

644 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:27:13pm
645 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:27:20pm

re: #627 azul93gt

432 Ward Cleaver 6/02/08 12:50:25 pm


THX, I stand corrected. I remember as young person watching some lady from the Carter administration's Dept. of Trans rather arrogantly defending it to the hilt on Night-Line. IIRC One of Reagan's campaign planks was to repeal it.

Probably because Carter kept it alive. One of its biggest defenders was Sen. James Exon of Nebraska (another Dem).

646 Ma Sands  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:27:23pm

re: #623 taxfreekiller

:)

647 Cognito  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:27:48pm

re: #612 ec marm

Their wine is good if you can find it in your area.

Interesting -- I hadn't heard that. I'll have to take a look around.

648 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:27:52pm

re: #618 buzzsawmonkey

Or Moira Shearer, in The Red Shoes, the Greatest Ballet Movie Ever Made.

Based on the Hans Christian Andersen fairy tale. Scared the shit outta me when I was a little girl.

649 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:27:54pm

re: #637 WrathofG-d

Are we no longer discussing Obama and Carter :+: Barak O'Carter.

Sometimes even us die hard conservative political junkies need a little break.

650 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:28:19pm
651 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:28:26pm

re: #641 razorbacker

Those who do not study history are condemned to repeat it.

Someone famous said that. Don't remember who.

Some Cub's fan I think.

652 mama winger  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:28:26pm

No one may speak to me unless they are rooting for the Cubs.

That is all.

/

653 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:28:33pm

re: #636 Bob in Breckenridge

Tony Eason was not a bust. He took the Patriots to Super Bowl XX in 1986, where they were destroyed by the Super Bowl Shufflin' Bears 48-10.

Hey Stan Humphries of San Diego Chragers went to the Super Bowl and Trent Dilfer of the Baltimore Ravens actually won a Super Bowl.

654 Widow'smight  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:28:37pm

re: #602 mama winger

Dear,

Don't look back, the Phillies are breathing down your neck. What does that sign across the street in right field say?

655 alegrias  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:28:50pm

re: #618 buzzsawmonkey

Or Moira Shearer, in The Red Shoes, the Greatest Ballet Movie Ever Made.

* * *
Please include as dance top 10:

American in Paris, Gene Kelly & a young french woman to a George Gershwin score

Anchors Aweigh, Gene Kelly & Frank Sinatra

Gene Kelly in anything with Cid Charisse.

656 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:29:07pm

re: #602 mama winger

OT -

Anyone here notice who is way out ahead in first place in Major League Baseball?

oh yeah - that would be my Cubbies.

mw- The Cubs have the best record in baseball. The last time they had the best record in baseball in June was in 1908- When they last won the world series! And they start a 3 game series tonight against the awful San Diego Padres.

657 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:29:19pm

re: #629 Joel

Bosworth also was a steroids guy

Yeah, that got him kicked off the team at OU.

658 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:29:26pm

re: #651 Nevergiveup

Some Cub's fan I think.

I don't think history repeats itself as much as historians repeat each other.

659 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:29:34pm

Oh gosh! Harriet just let the competing networks have it for their "Obama Love".

Heh.

660 mama winger  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:29:54pm

re: #656 Bob in Breckenridge

Yes! Yes! You are now my new best friend!

ha :)

661 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:29:55pm

re: #645 Ward Cleaver

Probably because Carter kept it alive. One of its biggest defenders was Sen. James Exon of Nebraska (another Dem).

Scary thing is, we have some Dems who want it back.

As far as I am concerned, no speed limit on a freeway/tollway should ever be set until an engineering study has been performed (including the 85th percentile test). Keep the politicians out of it.

662 godfrey  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:30:03pm

re: #644 buzzsawmonkey

Those stories all sound pretty Grimm.

Still, I prefer them all to most of the idiotic, stuff-me-full-of-jellied-PC-ideological nonsense published under the guise of "children's literature" these days.

663 Catttt  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:30:08pm

Harriet Christian for Secretary of State!

664 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:30:20pm

She's clean and articulate.

665 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:30:59pm

re: #664 MandyManners

She is certainly well spoken.

666 Silhouette  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:31:02pm

OT - I did not know that the UK gave a knighthood to Mugabe in 1994.

So I should call him Sir asshole dictator scum?

667 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:31:17pm

re: #658 Joel

I don't think history repeats itself as much as historians repeat each other.

I think the correct term is steal or plagiarize. Ask Doris Kerns Goodwin?

668 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:31:20pm
669 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:31:43pm

She's also a moonbat.

670 Ma Sands  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:32:00pm

re: #666 Silhouette

Hmmm...that, for #666!

671 WrathofG-d  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:32:12pm

re: #649 Nevergiveup

Sounds like we could use an open thread then.

Until then...did you know that today is Yom Yerushalayim?

672 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:32:17pm

She oozes disappointment.

673 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:32:17pm

re: #669 MandyManners

She's also a moonbat.

Right up the Obamamessiah's alley then.

674 godfrey  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:32:26pm

re: #650 buzzsawmonkey

Rudolf Nureyev? Was he wearing shiny hose?

675 bellamags  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:32:29pm

do you think Neal was trying not to laugh at the end there?

676 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:32:31pm

re: #669 MandyManners

She's also a moonbat.

Yeah, but a moonbat who is going to vote for McCain.

677 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:32:35pm
678 stuck in california  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:32:39pm

Uncle Lou for pres!

679 alegrias  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:32:41pm

re: #628 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Harriet is my freakin' hero. And she was absolutely right to be angry. Let's see if she gets some interviews from that. Let's hope so. Mebbe a radio show from the convention in Denver.

* * *
Geraldine Ferraro keeps cool while pointing out what's not right on the left.

Ms. Ferraro has more guts than Al Gore, though she didn't get to be Vice President. She is worthy of respect for daring to challenge the koolaid drinkers in her own party.

680 Sizzlack  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:32:52pm

This woman is just one of many people who feel this way. Here in NYC I have run into at least 3 people who I know are very liberal yet have told me they simply could not in good conscience vote for someone like Obama, and will more than likely vote for McCain. And when they say that they almost shudder, but they still plan on doing so.

681 snowcrash  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:32:53pm

re: #528 Cognito
Gottex swimsuits made in Israel. High end ladies suits. Lovely styling and have been on Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition covers.

682 mama winger  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:33:01pm

re: #676 Nevergiveup

Yeah, but a moonbat who is going to vote for McCain.

Yup.

There are thousands of them just like her too. Hopefully millions.

683 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:33:05pm

re: #661 Honorary Yooper

Scary thing is, we have some Dems who want it back.

As far as I am concerned, no speed limit on a freeway/tollway should ever be set until an engineering study has been performed (including the 85th percentile test). Keep the politicians out of it.

A client of mine just got back from a trip to Germany (getting over divorce) specifically to play on the autobahn. He rented a souped up 911 and told me that he had trouble getting over 185 mph - not because of the car, but his nerves and blood pressure. I think we could learn a little from German highway engineers.

684 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:33:16pm

re: #667 Nevergiveup

I think the correct term is steal or plagiarize. Ask Doris Kerns Goodwin?

And Stephen "Eisenhower was the greatest General and President of all time" Ambrose if he were not already deceased.

685 godfrey  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:33:20pm

Ah, the Baryshnikov. There aren't many dancers of his caliber.

686 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:33:21pm

re: #671 WrathofG-d

Sounds like we could use an open thread then.

Until then...did you know that today is Yom Yerushalayim?

No I missed that. June 2? That is not the day it was reunited?

687 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:33:30pm

Figures.

A government watchdog says NASA's press office "marginalized, or mischaracterized" studies on global warming between 2004 and 2006.

The NASA inspector general's report called it "inappropriate political interference."

The report issued Monday found that the agency's top management wasn't part of censorship, nor were career officials. It blamed "political appointees."

Gee, I wonder in which direction it mischaracterized and marginalized studies. Let me get a crack at this. It mischaracterized those reports claiming that there was an increase in temps (saying it was a bigger increase than they otherwise could claim?), and it marginalized those that showed no such thing.

688 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:33:30pm

re: #650 buzzsawmonkey

I once sat two tables over from Rudolf Nureyev in a Paris restaurant. That was cool.

The Biography was fascinating.

689 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:33:48pm

re: #653 Joel

Hey Stan Humphries of San Diego Chragers went to the Super Bowl and Trent Dilfer of the Baltimore Ravens actually won a Super Bowl.

So what's your point? Neither of them are busts. They had decent careers.

Now Ryan Leaf, Todd Marinovich, Andre Ware, David Klingler and Tony Mandarich- all high first rounds picks (Although Marinovich was a supplemental draft pick by the Raiders. They WERE busts.

690 Silhouette  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:33:57pm

re: #680 Sizzlack

And when they say that they almost shudder, but they still plan on doing so.

So do I. Shudder I mean, over voting for him.

For the opposite reason though.

691 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:34:00pm

re: #659 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh gosh! Harriet just let the competing networks have it for their "Obama Love".

Heh.

Moonbats for McCain!

692 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:34:18pm

re: #667 Nevergiveup

I think the correct term is steal or plagiarize. Ask Doris Kerns Goodwin?

Ouch.

693 mattm  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:34:41pm

re: #13 WrathofG-d

Is it just me or...

(a) does "Change we can believe in", make no sense,
(b) does "Change we can believe in" seem straight out of "1984".

Yes and yes. B. Hussein Obama is an ditiot who lo0oks like a total moron once he does not have his precious teleprompter or is asked a hard question.

694 DownRightMeanAmerican  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:34:41pm

re: #652 mama winger

No one may speak to me unless they are rooting for the Cubs.

That is all.

/

Yes, I am rooting for them on Thursday.

To lose that is!

695 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:35:25pm

re: #689 Bob in Breckenridge

So what's your point? Neither of them are busts. They had decent careers.

Now Ryan Leaf, Todd Marinovich, Andre Ware, David Klingler and Tony Mandarich- all high first rounds picks (Although Marinovich was a supplemental draft pick by the Raiders. They WERE busts.

I don't think any one would call Humphries or Dilfer good Quarterbacks. Craig Morton also played in two Suepr Bowls. Hardly a good QB although he had a good yer in 1977 when he took Denver to the Super Bowl.

696 g3n3r1c  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:35:54pm

re: #543 Joel

Not sure about Gilliam. The biggest bust of all - Ryan Leaf!

As a Vikes fan we have had alot of busts Demitrus Underwood comes to mind

697 Sizzlack  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:36:11pm

re: #690 Silhouette

the lesser of two evils

698 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:37:00pm

re: #652 mama winger

No one may speak to me unless they are rooting for the Cubs.

That is all.

/

OK, what if we just don't care about MLB right now as the last game of the Stanley Cup Playoffs could very well be tonight?

/GO WINGS, make it 11!

699 wolfie  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:37:39pm

re: #694 DownRightMeanAmerican

Yes, I am rooting for them on Thursday.

To lose that is!

You are DownRight Mean !

700 Joel  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:38:46pm

re: #696 g3n3r1c

As a Vikes fan we have had alot of busts Demitrus Underwood comes to mind

Another mediocre QB to get to the Super Bowl - David Woodley of Miami.
Every team has horror stories of first round draft picks who wound up sucking. For the Giant s- Larry Jacobson and Rocky Thompson.

701 bill in tx  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:39:43pm

History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme.
- Mark Twain

702 azul93gt  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:40:47pm

I for one welcome BHS as the Dem candidate. He's going to lose in McGovern, Mondale, and Dukakis like fashion.

703 DownRightMeanAmerican  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:40:49pm

re: #699 wolfie

You are DownRight Mean !

I don’t care if they beat the Padres,
but the Dodgers I do care about!

704 Silhouette  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:40:57pm

re: #697 Sizzlack

the lesser of two evils

I watched a clip earlier today of McCain mocking Obama for wanting to meet with Ahmadinejad. At least he is right on Iran.

McCain wants worldwide sanctions, though. I don't think those work nearly as well as direct action, especially when the leaders are shielded both from the deprivations a sanction would cause and from feedback from the populace via an iron boot.

Nonetheless, McCain is right to say that the leadership of Iran would look very different if the people were allowed to freely choose it.

And then he added that we will stand with Israel, so the more and more McCain talks, the less I'm thinking my nose will have to be held on election day.

705 mama winger  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:41:31pm

re: #703 DownRightMeanAmerican

I don’t care if they beat the Padres,
but the Dodgers I do care about!

They just swept the Dodgers. :)

706 alegrias  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:42:36pm

re: #676 Nevergiveup

Yeah, but a moonbat who is going to vote for McCain.

* * *
McCain is smart to woo women dissed by dems.

McCain was smart to call Pfleger disgraceful for trashing Senator Clinton.

McCain is smart to defend people dishonored by hacks.

What MALE democrat has stood up to these embarassing creeps who only now have courage to bash the Clintons?

Dems feared the Clintons, could never stand up to them with courage. Had to wait unti they were down, like cowards.

707 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:45:10pm

re: #263 RickZ

Didn't the Corvair have the automatic shift push-buttons on the dash, to the right of the sterring wheel? Whoever thought that design feature up was a real [deleted].

No, Corvairs with a Powerglide (a simple and bulletproof tranny if there ever was one) have a little lever under the dash (early models) or a little lever on the dash (late models). No Park position. But, you can actually push start a Corvair with a 'Glide, and you can tow one at any speed with the rear wheels on the ground, because the pump runs anytime the wheels are turning.

708 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:45:30pm

re: #449 'Nam Grunt

Geeesh. He ain't a moby - just our resident OBFUSCATER.

709 alegrias  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:46:23pm

re: #691 Ward Cleaver

Moonbats for McCain!

* * *
To refute the canard he'd be a 3rd Bush term, all McCain has to do is whip out the "McCain is a pain in the Bush" buttons someone put out in 2000.

Yes, they exist.

710 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:48:28pm
711 LC LaWedgie  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:48:57pm

The Party of Democrats: Superficially Stuck on Stupid No Longer...

...We're Marinated!

712 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:50:17pm
713 Widow'smight  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:50:49pm

re: #705 mama winger

Might be out there the end of this month. I've already been to Wrigley for 4 games, actually got a free Cubs visor once. Visors don't do me any good, my bald spot will still get burned.

We'll see in August when the Phillies play there.

714 zombie  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:51:55pm

Woo-hoo! YouTube accepted the video!

Now my video problems are (mostly) gone!

715 DownRightMeanAmerican  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:52:12pm

re: #705 mama winger

They just swept the Dodgers. :)

I am going to pretend I didn’t read that.

Hopeful it will be reversed this time around.

716 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:52:42pm

I'm outta here.
Later, lizards.

717 Endangered in MASS  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:54:09pm

re: #504 sattv4u2


The Turk.

Left the NHL to play in the WHL fro a $1 million. Went broke became an alcy living under a bridge. Cleaned up became the color man on the Bruins telecasts. He can barely walk but has been the club champ at the Ridge club on the Cape.Scratch golfer.

718 Endangered in MASS  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:55:51pm

re: #652 mama winger

Long time til October.

719 Israel4ever  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:56:06pm

my mom voted for Carter.

Never voted Democrat again.

720 yochanan  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:56:36pm

re: #529 mama winger

Brett Favre never missed a start.

i am a bear fan but Brett Favre was a Iron man. hall of fame

721 grumpy old codger  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:00:05pm

OT

Did Realwest get the answers he was looking for about diabetes?

722 alegrias  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:02:20pm

re: #721 grumpy old codger

OT

Did Realwest get the answers he was looking for about diabetes?

* * *
Don't know but thought about him after coming across "Diabetes for Dummies" and a Prevention publication on Outsmarting Diabetes in the family bookshelf. There's so much to learn about this horrible sneaky disease.

723 rawmuse  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:10:08pm

re: #634 Iron Fist

,

The Uzi is made by IMI. I don't know if they have resumed production since the assault weapons ban ended, but they are fun little guns :-)

If you're going to get one, don't dawdle. I have a feeling these will be banned outright regardless of who our next President is.

724 Abu Al-Poopypants  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:15:17pm

re: #4 SalsaNChips

Is that "Meat Head" in the blue shirt and pants?

Damn! I came here to say that!

The 2nd guy he shakes hands with looks like Dukakis.

725 norar  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:22:59pm

Well, Carter delivered change - the change of regime in Iran, that brought all the Muslim world into jihad frenzy

726 right_on_target  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:38:15pm

re: #411 Silhouette

Speaking of Kelvinators, my parent's bought a Kelvinator fridge to furnish their new home when they got married. They moved 5 times and two states, and that thing was still going strong around 30 years later. They couldn't get a new one because they were both raised not to waste money and that one was still working fine.

Finally, we talked them into moving it to the garage for "overflow" and they have one from this century.

Actually, Kelvinator refrigerators were great. Their washers and dryers were junk. I changed many "baffle gaskets" and CORK clutches on Kelvinator washers that were only months old back then [in the '60s].

727 Fasternu426  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:48:48pm

Did anyone notice that the guy in the still with Carter looks a lot like Meathead from All in the Family?

728 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:53:25pm

Late on this Thread, and no time to read 700+ comments, if it hasn't been said before, let me say it now. "A Leader for a Change," was one slogan, another was "Why Not the Best," of all things. Still wondering about that one, maybe we got it in 1980!

-S-

729 Whale Watcher  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 3:01:02pm

I'd almost forgotten just how much the 70's sucked.

Thanks for the reminder, Charles.

730 Bosch Fawstin  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 3:01:20pm

If McCain had the nerve, he'd constantly paint Obama as one who can challenge Carter for Worst President status. And how about some real change in this dangerous world.

731 Bosch Fawstin  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 3:04:58pm

Broken link, here's the kind of change I was talking about.

732 right_on_target  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 3:11:28pm

re: #484 Ojoe

For real submerged skullduggery, check out the story of the
Glomar Explorer

That ship needs to be mothballed! Asbestos everywhere. I remember seeing signs in the restrooms on the rig [after it did a tour off the coast of Africa] that said "Do not stand on toilet".

Living quarters are horrible, especially in the bow section.

There are many NEWER drill ships that are FAR better.

733 grumpy old codger  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 3:52:46pm

re: #320 jcm
Backward, Oh, Backward, Oh Time in your flight,
And make me a child again, just for tonight!

734 grumpy old codger  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 3:55:28pm

re: #11 NJDhockeyfan
Well, I guess he ought to be!

735 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 4:08:19pm

I have a pair of beautifeel shoes-red ones- but older and several pairs of Gazith and my stomach medicine comes from Israel- but I bought it all here. I didn't have good luck with my shoe shopping in Israel- the shoes were narrower(or maybe my feet had swelled from the heat and endless walking?). My next trip - I am definitely going to buy more shoes.

736 Colonel Panik  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 4:11:42pm

re: #43 Ward Cleaver

The Dodge Aspen (Rex Harrison singing, "Unbelievable") and Plymouth Volare!

The Ford Granada! "It looks like a Mercedes!"

Chrysler Cordoba! With fine Corinthian leather!

/Ricardo Montalban off

737 Colonel Panik  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 4:15:46pm

re: #140 reine.de.tout

I had a Vega, along with a couple of friends who had the same model-year. WORST CAR EVER MADE. All of our cars died beyond repair within 4 weeks of each other, approximately 3 years to the date after purchase.

It had an aluminum engine block that was prone to warping. Compared to the Vega, the Pinto was a half way decent car, once they put the plastic buffer around the bolt that punctured the fuel tank in rear end collisions.

And no discourse on the subject of 1970's automotive horrors would be complete without the Gremlin and the Pacer!

738 justiceforall  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 4:39:46pm

Hey, Charles, why don’t you run for president with the slogan, “Status quo!”?

739 bubbasbbq  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 4:41:07pm

The term snake oil seems to be especially appropriate here. It seems to fit these phoney peddlers of patent medicine to a T.

740 rob.schmitt  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 4:41:34pm

Jimmy Carter' Second Term!

741 Genosaurer  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 4:50:57pm

re: #710 buzzsawmonkey

Cartoons, of course, used to deal with some of these horrors. I still remember with a shudder a cartoon that ran on the old Mickey Mouse Club, wherein a baby plays with matches and ends up being chased, in a nightmarish sequence, by a number of malevolent matches with burning heads. The Fleischer cartoons mostly deal with sex and death. The banishing of early cartoons from the airwaves on the grounds that they are no longer PC, and their replacement with the vapid Tiny Toons, was very sad.

When I was a kid I used to like watching a tape of old superhero cartoons that had, among other things, Jungle Drums on it. I can't imagine them showing anything like that on TV today - politically correct it is not!

742 Red Square  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 5:10:19pm

All your change are belong to us!
And all your paper bills too.

743 BruceKelly  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 8:57:10pm

re: #737 Colonel Panik

Don't forget the Ford Pinto, although I like saying the word. Repeat Pinto several times to yourself and it seems to loose meaning... pinto... pinto...

744 jdow-antijihad  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 12:24:20am

I heard those Jimmuh Catah ads in 1976. He promised change. The nation should have learned that change can be for the worse as well as for the better. Peanut proves the worse part.

Change for the sake of change throws away all the successes as well as all the failures. That is all Peanut promised. That's all his delayed replay promises. Is Obama worth the risk?

{^_^}


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