I wonder how long that policy will stand.

Bye, AP.

Free speech is not, evidently, free.

Shouldn't that be "leaped over that baby like Fonzie"?

How much for just two letters: F-U

I've decided to begin charging you all for copying and pasting my posts. Flat fee of US$1.00 per word.

(Man, this is gonna make me so totally popular)

Nonprofit organizations and educational institutions enjoy a discounted rate.

How generous.

Please tell me Robert Cox's response to this was "You guys are idiots."

Nonprofit organizations and educational institutions enjoy a discounted rate.

I wonder how many looney-lefty blogs will qualify as "educational". Actually, what am I talking about? This is the AP, not the NYT. They'd rather have the money than push the agenda.

What's The Drudge Retort? :)

AP, that sound you hear is the rest of the world passing you by.

Ah, see? AP still has a sense of humor! If they can still laugh at themselves, all must not be lost!

(What, they weren't joking?)

Hmmm.

This line of thinking worked out so well for the music industry.

LOL

Of course dailykoz, huffpo, and aljazeera will get a discount.

The pricing scale for excerpting AP content begins at $12.50 for 5-25 words and goes as high as $100 for 251 words and up. Nonprofit organizations and educational institutions enjoy a discounted rate.

Nobody "enjoys" shit from AP.

re: #6 Occasional Reader

I'm charging only $0.75 a word.

What if you quote someone who quoted AP?

AP: All The News That's Fit To Sell

re: #18 Beobachter

What if you quote someone who quoted AP?

They'll prorate it.

The dinosaur media commit suicide, slowly, but surely.

Good riddance.

They are the enemy.

re: #7 Ringo the Gringo

How generous.

littlegreenfootballs.edu

re: #11 bosforus

What's The Drudge Retort? :)

[Link: www.drudge.com...]

At first they came for Snapped Shot. Then they came for the Bloggers. And when they came for me, it was too late.

No problem. I'll just take their story and correct the grammar errors, and delete all the biased opinions posing as facts. They won't even recognize the story.

So what happens if someone uses an links to an AP story in the spinoff links, and pastes part of the article in the description box?...Will Charles receive a bill?

Here is the kicker though, do you believe people who work to collect and type up news, or who take photographs, should be paid?

It's crap we print

then charge a mint

/AP

I would like to see if they would also charge jihadi blogs, or do the qualify as non-profit?

re: #18 Beobachter

What if you quote someone who quoted AP?

You get double dipped. LOL

Have a good night, LN!

One more thing before I go:

BEAT L.A.!

Associated [with terrorists] Press is so September 10th.

re: #25 mich-again

No problem. I'll just take their story and correct the grammar errors, and delete all the biased opinions posing as facts. They won't even recognize the story.

There wouldn't be a story.

I messed up that sentence, let's try it again...

So what happens if someone links to an AP story in the spinoff links, and pastes part of the article in the description box?...Will Charles receive a bill?

It's a pickler.

Terrorist organizations enjoy a 100% discounted rate.

Sounds like the music industry: "Albums sales keep dropping even though we're suing music fans by the hundreds"

Who else is gonna pay Bilal Hussein to videograph beheadings of American/Canadian/Aussie/Brits?

re: #17 Yishai

You owe me two bucks! (I feel "Occasional Reader" is part of my post, and therefore proprietary; but you get a freebie on the pound sign and post number, because that's the kind of guy I am.)

I'm hoping for rebates if we fix typos and correct their grammar.

Seriously, they're out of their minds.

"Jumped The Shark" Is no longer the correct term.

The new term is now "Nuked The Fridge"

(thanks to the new Indiana Jones Movie)

Can't use the AP anymore? However will we get our fill of factual, unbiased reporting now?!

re: #36 Shug

Terrorist organizations enjoy a 100% discounted rate.

Well, they are contributors to AP

It's their version of a free market: the Associated _{with Terrorists} Press needs to keep that revenue flowing, so they can keep paying their terrorist buddies for the scoops and embeds that keep them in business.

In the AP offices that's known as the 'Circle of Peace.'

This is pretty much an open declaration of war against the blogosphere.

re: #42 rhino2

Can't use the AP anymore? However will we get our fill of factual, unbiased reporting now?!

There will always be Roto Reuters, AFP and the NYT Service.

Job Wanted: Can paraphrase 50 words a minute. Will work for free. Can labor gratis.

re: #6 Occasional Reader

I've decided to begin charging you all for copying and pasting my posts. Flat fee of US$1.00 per word.

(Man, this is gonna make me so totally popular)

do contractions count as one or two words?

i owe you somewhere between US$28-30 now. Damn.

re: #23 freetoken

[Link: www.drudge.com...]

I didn't know it actually existed, I thought it was just a typo. Ha.

re: #41 Bryantay

"Jumped The Shark" Is no longer the correct term.

The new term is now "Nuked The Fridge"

(thanks to the new Indiana Jones Movie)

Or "magnetized the gunpowder"?

can their articles be paraphrased for free?

re: #27 freetoken

Here is the kicker though, do you believe people who work to collect and type up news, or who take photographs, should be paid?

Yes, and there is a smart way to do it and a dumb way to do it. This reeks of dumb.

re: #32 Fat Jolly Penguin

I'm filling out your bill for reprinting my words. So are you a non-profit corporation? I charge them more.

re: #46 Charles

This is pretty much an open declaration of war against the blogosphere.

How to fight back other than just ignoring them?

Hey, no big deal, Sheryl Crow wipes with one sheet at a time.

You know you could cost someone a lot of money by registering on a blog you don't like and posting a shit load of AP articles.

re: #55 MandyManners

How to fight back other than just ignoring them?

VIVA LA AFP!

What if a blog took an AP quote, encoded it by inserting a few random symbols, then had a button that decoded it for the user? Technically, the blog owner didn't post the article but the exact words of the article can be seen on the blog.

re: #23 freetoken

[Link: www.drudge.com...]

he was pointing out the typo, not asking about the site...

What if the reference you cite from AP is a quote from someone else?

Say that Obama makes a speech, and AP runs it. Are they going to charge for use of Obama's own words?

re: #5 HelloDare

How much for just two letters: F-U

Shouldn't that be F - You? F-U always kind of bothered me.

Momma big dog face in banana patch.

Try to charge me for that one AP!

AP should go ask the music industry where their revenue went. (Remember that little thing called the I-Pod?)

Because the makers of intellectual property cannot defend and control the use of their product, we have entered interesting times.

AP's response is pure silliness, brought on by a board room temper tantrum. If they were serious, they'd have already invested a few $billion creating the method, structure and packaging for appropriate delivery and payment for their product in digital form.

But all the above begs the obvious question: who in their right mind would pay $12.50 for 100 words from an AP article? Especially when I can get all their current articles everyday for a buck in the local newspaper?

.

re: #50 bosforus

I didn't know it actually existed, I thought it was just a typo. Ha.

oh, nvm

re: #46 Charles

Can we still post links to their stories?

re: #46 Charles
re: #59 bosforus

Probably not a good idea.

They haff vays uf finding you out? Ja?

re: #63 Dad O' Blondes

But all the above begs the obvious question

[OR grits teeth]

Who IS the Associated Press anyway?

paying an up-front sum for excerpting online articles — as few as five words.

Long live the four word AP quote!

"Bush...did...bad...today."

That'll about cover 80% of what they write anyway.

Well, there is always reuters.

/ducks

re: #61 mama winger

What if the reference you cite from AP is a quote from someone else?

Say that Obama makes a speech, and AP runs it. Are they going to charge for use of Obama's own words?

His words are worthless, so no problem.

re: #51 Occasional Reader

Or "magnetized the gunpowder"?

Really? How the frak can someone do that?

re: #46 Charles

This is pretty much an open declaration of war against the blogosphere.

Sign me up with the Blogosphere Defense Forces, Charles !

re: #46 Charles

This is pretty much an open declaration of war against the blogosphere.

Charles, I completed and passed my "Warfighting" MCI, if you need some help let me know.

What I want to know is this: when the AP quotes someone in a story, will the AP be paying that person for the quote? Seems only fair.

re: #34 Ringo the Gringo

Or what happens if somebody at mybarackobination.crap starts to do a cut and paste. Does the Messiah have to turn the water into wine to pay them?

re: #56 ted

Hey, no big deal, Sheryl Crow wipes with one sheet at a time.

I will not shake her hand. Ever.

Whoops, I did not mean to include Charles in my post.

Sorry.

re: #72 The Other Les

Really? How the frak can someone do that?

Someone can't. Thence the point. But I love "nuked the fridge". That's perfect. But, it was lead lined.
/

I vote for a total blackout on AP. Pay for 5 words? Gimme a break. Pay 'em in Soviet Rubles.

I encourage everyone to tell AP where they can jam it:

apdigital@ap.org

I hate the AP anyway. I haven't read them in years. Their nothing but a bunch of commie windbags.

The blogosphere is an educational institution. Commentary. It doesn't make a buck by re-posting copy from AP or anyone else, unlike the newspapers [sic] that run their copy like mindless drones.

Fair use. This attempt to whack the bloggers is pathetic.

re: #61 mama winger

What if the reference you cite from AP is a quote from someone else?

Say that Obama makes a speech, and AP runs it. Are they going to charge for use of Obama's own words?

The (gulp) Supreme Court just issued an analogous ruling to this effect regarding MLB statistics. MLB tried to crush third party fantasy leagues that were using MLB statistics. The Court basically upheld the right of third parties to use MLB statistics; the league could monopolize the broadcasts of the games, but the player stats are facts that are free to all. Similarly, the AP might have a leg to stand on with regard to their editorializing (and they can have it) but the actual events themselves are not subject to ownership.

re: #66 Whiterasta

re: #59 bosforus

Probably not a good idea.

They haff vays uf finding you out? Ja?

Yeah, but couldn't the blog owner just say, "I didn't post an AP article. The user decoded it, but I didn't post it."?

Can a blog write about an AP story and link to it without actually quoting (pasting) directly from the AP story?

I have been in the news and media business for some time. The point to take from all of this- is that Ap is not expecting their revenues to come from actual direct readership. They never really have. This augments the point that they are strictly an affiliate service, and their affiliates, I.e. many newspapers and other media- already have to pay for stories or general affiliation agreements. Essentially, they have never had to sell an ad.

This is telling on a few different levels.

Firstly, it shows that their value has never been one that is "direct to consumer." There is really no "Ap" format out there (although I did work for a radio station once that had a long-form 24-hour Ap radio news feed.. so it was sort of an "Ap" station... however they do not offer this service anymore because there was not enough interest amongst stations).

Their "brand" is strictly a news affiliate product, and not exactly a brand you ever hear about in day-to-day life. i.e. "did you hear that Ap story? damn!" Or.. "Man the Ap got that story first! CBS got Pwned!"

They also of course allow their affiliates to use other sources for their general amounts of news, and are desperate enough that they never make anyone sign an exclusivity agreement in this regard.

Essentially, they are media whores. pay-per-use.. use as much as you want for a fee, use none at all. Nothing wrong with that, but it does, in a sense, speak to their diminishing quality.

They are simply a tool for media outlets who don't have reporters everywhere in a rapidly consolidating media business.

It's important that bloggers have a way to cite them, though, because their terrible bias in the middle east is un-matched as a western news provider. Keep pounding away at their ridiculousness, and news outlets will hopefully use them less. Hopefully.

re: #77 The Other Les

It would be hilarious to see some French former President kissing her hand...

re: #6 Occasional Reader

I've decided to begin charging you all for copying and pasting my posts. Flat fee of US$1.00 per word.

(Man, this is gonna make me so totally popular)

We'll be expecting some higher quality words put into interesting sentences and we'll be deducting for any uhs or you knows.

re: #84 Diamond Bullet

The (gulp) Supreme Court just issued an analogous ruling to this effect regarding MLB statistics. MLB tried to crush third party fantasy leagues that were using MLB statistics. The Court basically upheld the right of third parties to use MLB statistics; the league could monopolize the broadcasts of the games, but the player stats are facts that are free to all. Similarly, the AP might have a leg to stand on with regard to their editorializing (and they can have it) but the actual events themselves are not subject to ownership.

That makes sense to me.

I am mainly wondering how this affects comments and other things written by visitors and not written by the blog owner.

What if someone uses the same 5+ word string found in an AP article? Is the AP going to try and track them down and try and prove they took it from them?

Buzz, does AP's position have legal merit?

re: #86 Ringo the Gringo

Can a blog write about an AP story and link to it without actually quoting (pasting) directly from the AP story?

Yes, we can still make fun of them.

re: #88 Whiterasta

It would be hilarious to see some French former President kissing her hand...

Unfortunate, isn't it, that Charles de Gaulle is dead.

re: #6 Occasional Reader

I've decided to begin charging you all for copying and pasting my posts. Flat fee of US$1.00 per word.

(Man, this is gonna make me so totally popular)

Please send me a bill...

If UPI was smart they'd package themselves as the net-friendly go-to source for news. They've been a shell of their former self for a few years.

re: #93 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

What if someone uses the same 5+ word string found in an AP article? Is the AP going to try and track them down and try and prove they took it from them?

So I guess the AP never wants to be able to quote a blog.

Whatever happened to UPI?

re: #72 The Other Les

Really? How the frak can someone do that?

In Indiana Jones' world:

1) Gunpowder is magnetic
2) Gold is magnetic
3) There are Mayan temples in Peru and Brazil

re: #94 godfrey

Buzz, does AP's position have legal merit?

Yes.

Well I for one am not going to pay for this shit. I read the shit when it was free, but no way am I coughing up shit money.

What about an AP doctored photo?

Will our pals at Reuters find a way to get in the game and funnel money to their favorite rage boy stringers?

re: #88 Whiterasta

It would be hilarious to see some French former President kissing her hand...

(Grin)

re: #25 mich-again

No problem. I'll just take their story and correct the grammar errors, and delete all the biased opinions posing as facts. They won't even recognize the story.

And that's why they're pissed - bloggers have shown that just about anyone can do a better job than the so-called professionals.

re: #89 debutaunt

We'll be expecting some higher quality words put into interesting sentences and we'll be deducting for any uhs or you knows.

Yeah, yeah, laugh it up. You owe me thirty bucks.

What a progressive idea. These dinosaurs are going to be with Dan Rather and Hillary with these cutting edge ideas.

re: #85 bosforus

I dunno. Sounds like letting yourself open for a big lawsuit.

They can afford lots of lawyers...

Note: I'm not a lawyer, so don't take legal advice from me!

I have five free words for them:

“AP, you can kiss my...”

AP is not a government, it has no legislative or enforcement power other than the threat that its swinish lawyers can find a jury gullible enough to buy their claims. This is a monstrous and flagrant abuse of the First Amendment and the legal system.

The real purpose of this effort is not to protect copyright, it is to blunt criticism and review, which have taken an increasingly heavy toll on media credibility since the rise of the internet and new media.

re: #101 Occasional Reader

Who knew that the aliens would be the most plausible part of that movie?

re: #87 astronmr20

A number of friends have worked for them over the years, mostly on the sports side. My wife worked for them on the business side for several years when she got out of college. She was never more happy to find other employment.

re: #101 Occasional Reader
I was quite disappointed in the new Indiana Jones movie.

re: #100 newsjunkie_ky

Whatever happened to UPI?

[Link: www.upi.com...]

FYI:If the AP wants an interview I will begin charging after the 5th word./s

Newspaper revenues are down, so AP is scrambling to find fresh blood.

To add, more or less, to my #87, AP thinks of themselves as far too "pure" to have to sell ads to survive.

They are grasping at straws, but the reality is creeping in-- that other people are doing their job much better than they are. Namely, blogs.

re: #113 Lizard by the Bay

I thought it sa-hucked!

Zohan was worse.

Liked the Hulk tho.

I have lots of movie time.

re: #111 Whiterasta

I dunno. Sounds like letting yourself open for a big lawsuit.

They can afford lots of lawyers...

Note: I'm not a lawyer, so don't take legal advice from me!

I have no plans for carrying out my plan. Just spitballin'.

Maybe the idiots want to have a chat with the NY Times. That Times Select worked out so well it relegated their esteemed stable of opinion hacks to obscurity.

I wonder if Cognito works for AP?

Maybe he'll talk less.

re: #96 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yes, but there are lots of others still around...

I'd probably pay money to get that photo!

Link a bunch of AP stuff to Kos. The idea'll die in a heartbeat.

It is our Lizardoid duty to ban AP from the Internet, Praise Be LGF!

re: #113 Lizard by the Bay

Who knew that the aliens would be the most plausible part of that movie?

I'm not planning to see it. In a theater anyway.

I'm writing my own screenplay for a Sci-fi game movie.

pre-Boomer Marine brat
Water guns didn't go over so well with the wife. Think I'll try the balloons today.
:)

re: #100 newsjunkie_ky

Whatever happened to UPI?

EUSTIS, Fla., June 17 (UPI) -- Police said five recent high school graduates in Eustis, Fla., could face up to a year in jail after sneaking two goats into their former school.

Police Chief Fred Cobb said the five Eustis High School graduates have been charged with criminal trespass and a sixth graduate who is under the age of 18 has been referred to juvenile court, the Orlando (Fla.) Sentinel reported Tuesday.

SNIP

re: #115 newsjunkie_ky

I was quite disappointed in the new Indiana Jones movie.

I did, however, like the fact that the Commies were unambiguously depicted as bad guys. And did you note the part where Cate Blanchett's Natasha-esque baddie is saying, "we will be in your schools, teaching your children the REAL history... and you won't even know we're there." Naaah, that could never happen, right?

re: #112 shiplord kirel

I have five free words for them:

“AP, you can kiss my...”

AP is not a government, it has no legislative or enforcement power other than the threat that its swinish lawyers can find a jury gullible enough to buy their claims. This is a monstrous and flagrant abuse of the First Amendment and the legal system.

The real purpose of this effort is not to protect copyright, it is to blunt criticism and review, which have taken an increasingly heavy toll on media credibility since the rise of the internet and new media.

I believe there was a similar case regarding either music or a film in the last year or so. The distributor tried to sue groups which spoke out against the content, citing they didnt have the rights to the material. The groups cited "fair use" saying their objections were made in specific relation to the material in question. I believe the case was found in favor of the group saying they made no attempt to profit or steal the material and there use of it was protected.

re: #112 shiplord kirel

AP is not a government, it has no legislative or enforcement power other than the threat that its swinish lawyers can find a jury gullible enough to buy their claims. This is a monstrous and flagrant abuse of the First Amendment and the legal system.

And they have enough lawyers to shop for a jury in either California or New York until they get a gullible one.

re: #6 Occasional Reader

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What?

}:)     [Poor Man's Reiteration ... ]

re: #130 Occasional Reader

Huh. That was Cate Blanchett? She is a freaking chameleon! What an actress.

The movie still sa-hucked.

AP: Asshat Press

heh

Just got back from a few days without internet/LGF. This is nuts. The AP has no integrity. I hope this breaks in the mainstream media because the people have got to be informed that the AP is bonkers.

Now, if someone could write a program that automatically does this to AP stories:

Lsniece prtas of tihs aciltrle for rpenihslibug on yuor wsebtie or irentnat. Pniicrg beasd on the nebmur of wodrs epercxted.

I think they are just herding bloggers toward paying an annual licensing fee like other news sources ie. Fox, CNN. Does anyone know what it costs per year?

Hope this will be the straw that broke the camel's back for the AP.

re: #114 JammieWearingFool

A number of friends have worked for them over the years, mostly on the sports side. My wife worked for them on the business side for several years when she got out of college. She was never more happy to find other employment.

They are simply doughnut-makers... just providing a service for affiliates, that is ALWAYS cash, rather than trade. Like most MSM, the rabid left has infiltrated the organization.

That's not to say all branches of the AP have something to do with shit like Bilal Hussein. The service they provided to the station i worked for was just fine. Long-form radio news. Nothing special.. just people doing their jobs and reading what was in front of them and putting together a technical clock. But it's not offered as a service anymore..

Ap is simply part of the dinosaur media in it's death throes, and of late, they likely have been pissy from the thousands of emails they have gotten from angry readers who pay attention to blogs that have been exposing the creeping bias.

they are completely clueless --- they're just friggin aggregators
we are watching the msm crater before us --- isn't it great!

faster please

re: #136 Toasty

Just got back from a few days without internet/LGF. This is nuts. The AP has no integrity. I hope this breaks in the mainstream media because the people have got to be informed that the AP is bonkers.

integrity?

A couple of good ones:

[Link: www.somethingpositive.net...]

[Link: www.somethingpositive.net...]

re: #134 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

She is a "classic" actor in every sense of the phrase and played her part well in Indy 4.

But yes, she could not save that horrible piece of shit of a movie.

re: #140 astronmr20

Ap is simply part of the dinosaur media in it's death throes,

My thought exactly. So... how much do I owe you for re-posting your quote?

re: #46 Charles

This is pretty much an open declaration of war against the blogosphere.

Hmmm ... so tempted to quote them in pig-latin ...

}:)     [Geez, what tards!]

What happens if a lizard posts a link to an AP story in the "comments" section?

re: #146 ethanxxx

That'll be tree fitty.

Time to start a new, innovative news service,

"Honest Accurate Press"

"H.A.P"

Who needs the A.P.?

Their "news" reports have rarely been anything like accurate, and almost always tinged with a leftist bias.

Who needs them!

re: #142 akak

You're right. But I still didn't see this coming.

re: #112 shiplord kirel

Hey, AP doesn't care about the First Amendment and think all bloggers are worthless serfs.

I'm in favor of banning AP from the Internet for good, cease all server routing to and from AP and so forth. They have no business in getting into the Internet as long as they're waging war against blogosphere. They cannot hack criticism. Bunch of leftards pretending to be journalists and editors.

re: #148 Roentgen

I think links are okay... u just can't rip the text from an affiliate and re-post, even if you properly cite it (according to them).

Am I correct, Charles?

Blogger: There was just an earthquake. I felt it.
AP: Hey you owe us some cash for stealing our story.

re: #56 ted

She sure has a lot of shit on her hands...

HEY AP! FUCK YOU!

re: #116 MandyManners
Thanks, I thought they may have gone down the hole. Don't see much of their service anymore.

re: #90 mama winger

That makes sense to me.

You cannot copyright the news. Nor can AP copyright words spoken or written by others - so they have no copyright on something like an Obama quote.

For copyright to apply, the work has to be unique. Editorials would qualify. A report on an event does not. Never has. That is why the AP and other news organizations themselves are specifically allowed to violate others' copyrights in order to report the news.

I suspect that what is going on here is that the AP is going broke. They charge newspapers an annual membership fee, but there are nowhere near as many newspapers these days.

re: #46 Charles

This is pretty much an open declaration of war against the blogosphere.

I wonder if this is true? And if it is, then this is a multi-front assault on freedom of information. The elitists want their control back.

re: #120 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Have you seen 'The Happening'? think we may go see it tomorrow.

This is one issue on which the left and right sides of the blogosphere should find common cause.

I wonder what Reuters thinks of all this.

PC World gives the price breakdown.

re: #145 astronmr20

If you just think of IJ as another comic book character, it isn't so bad. After all, take away the CG from the Hulk or the Daredevil and what do you have?

re: #149 astronmr20

That'll be tree fitty.

AAHHhhh... I ain't gibbin' you no Tree Fitty. I gib' you a dollah! One of my favorite South Parks!

Drudge tease:

NEW YORK TIMES to detail how Michelle Obama will get subtle makeover; new speech in works to stress humble roots... Editors planning publication in next 48 hours, newsroom sources tell DRUDGE... Developing...

This is going to be interesting.

re: #159 newsjunkie_ky

Heard mixed reviews.

I'll still check it out, though. M. Night's movies have not been perfect as of late, but I do find some great qualities in them.

re: #157 galloping granny

You cannot copyright the news. Nor can AP copyright words spoken or written by others - so they have no copyright on something like an Obama quote.

Great point. Following AP's logic, they should have to pay everyone that they ever quote in an article.

re: #129 MandyManners

LOL! two goats and a cobb in one story. Wonder what the last names of the students might be.

re: #17 Yishai

I'm charging only $0.75 a word.

Discount words - just great!

re: #165 HelloDare

Yes it is already without a doubt the greatest speech ever!

re: #163 markie

Even the camera angles were horrible.. and even the music was silly and out of place (even though it was J.W. directing his original score).

I tried really hard to just let it wash over me, but it was so bad to me I almost started to feel silly just for being there.

re: #129 MandyManners

EUSTIS, Fla., June 17 (UPI) -- Police said five recent high school graduates in Eustis, Fla., could face up to a year in jail after sneaking two goats into their former school.

Police Chief Fred Cobb said the five Eustis High School graduates have been charged with criminal trespass and a sixth graduate who is under the age of 18 has been referred to juvenile court, the Orlando (Fla.) Sentinel reported Tuesday.

SNIP

The prom was over, and they and their dates had no business at the school!

re: #143 buzzsawmonkey

OK, I read your link.

Not all news media (newspapers, radio stations, etc), can afford to have reporters all over the world.

The AP hires and pays people all over the world to collect and report news items, and charges news outlets a fee to use the material, which, I guess, covers the cost incurred by the AP to collect the news. The AP also picks up local news stories and adds those to its "stockpile" of news items available to subscribers. Is that about right?

There is no copyright on the news, so once that news has been disseminated through the subscribing news outlets, if I am understanding correctly, then anyone is free to use it.

The AP is now - what? Trying to say that bloggers are news sites that need to either subscribe to or pay a fee for what they use from any AP news story?

re: #160 SeafoodGumbo

This is one issue on which the left and right sides of the blogosphere should find common cause.

You'd think, Don't hold your breath though.

re: #104 ethanxxx

What about an AP doctored photo?

Oh the doctoring is still free of charge. That's a service they're happy to provide.

/

AP is just tired of being constantly quoted by newsbusters, hot air and similar sites who then use their own articles to prove their whacked-out bias. This "fee" will stop being enforced just as soon as they get the messiah elected (who will then declare all those right-wing blogs "hate speech", thus making them illegal anyway). There will be no fact-checking on their October surprises. Rathergate taught them well.

re: #130 Occasional Reader

I did, however, like the fact that the Commies were unambiguously depicted as bad guys. And did you note the part where Cate Blanchett's Natasha-esque baddie is saying, "we will be in your schools, teaching your children the REAL history... and you won't even know we're there." Naaah, that could never happen, right?

I loved that. Not sure how that got past Spielberg.

re: #171 astronmr20

I have pretty low expectations...

re: #159 newsjunkie_ky

Have you seen 'The Happening'? think we may go see it tomorrow.

Isn't that the horror movie version of "An Inconvenient Truth"? If it's half as bad as M.Night Scamyouallones last couple films I think I'll pass.

re: #170 mich-again

Yes it is already without a doubt the greatest speech ever!

Healing and transcendent!

Meanwhile, they continue to provide RSS feeds for free

they also use technorati to provide links back to blogs that reference their stories.. . wouldn't linking back to a story that quoted an article be 'implied consent'?

re: #166 astronmr20
Watched 'Signs' again last week. This time with my Daughter. I had missed a lot (with my weird vision), like the first time they see the thing on the roof. My Daughter had to pause it for me so I could get close to the tv to see it. Scared the crap outta me. I've seen that movie like 4 time and I still got scared. Then I watched "Silence of the Lambs".

re: #179 Mars Needs Neocons

Isn't that the horror movie version of "An Inconvenient Truth"?

It apparently does have some wacky "Earth Mother Gaia's gonna get us unless we all learn to live in harmony with her" message. I'll pass.

re: #179 Mars Needs Neocons

Plants in distress sending out suicide commands to people? Treehugger's wetdream.

re: #172 OldLineTexan

ROFLMAO!

re: #163 markie

If you just think of IJ as another comic book character, it isn't so bad. After all, take away the CG from the Hulk or the Daredevil and what do you have?

I forgave a lot in the film that I wouldn't have forgiven in anything else. The fact it was the first one in twenty years helped.

re: #180 HelloDare

Healing and transcendent!

I am feeling hopeful and inspired already, looking forward, in a clear blue sky to a bright future.

re: #182 newsjunkie_ky

Watched 'Signs' again last week. This time with my Daughter. I had missed a lot (with my weird vision), like the first time they see the thing on the roof. My Daughter had to pause it for me so I could get close to the tv to see it. Scared the crap outta me. I've seen that movie like 4 time and I still got scared. Then I watched "Silence of the Lambs".

Couldn't really find the scary in that one. The Village had potential, but he actually ruined it by making it non-supernatural.

re: #179 Mars Needs Neocons

I thought as much as Roeper said something about that. Mother Nature's revenge?
I figured out 'The Sixth Sense' almost immediately. The only other one I really liked was 'Signs' and I loved that one.

re: #184 markie

Plants in distress sending out suicide commands to people? Treehugger's wetdream.

I thought the whole "talking plants" crap was debunked pretty solidly in the 70's. Why are we using it again.

F**k this, bring back the Triffids. Man-eating asparagus always works.

If I copyright the alphabet can I charge everyone for everything ever said ,posted ,printed ,read ?

re: #184 markie
So that's what it is about. I will still have to go with my Daughter if she doesn't have the Baby before then.

"It'll never work!"

I'm having a good chuckle here, at all the concern for the AP's financial well-being.

re: #189 newsjunkie_ky

I thought as much as Roeper said something about that. Mother Nature's revenge?
I figured out 'The Sixth Sense' almost immediately. The only other one I really liked was 'Signs' and I loved that one.

Didn't like Signs, but Unbreakable really worked for me. Of course I'm a comic book junkie.

re: #143 buzzsawmonkey

Again, the Supreme Court ruled 90 years ago that AP's work product is not covered by copyright. See the link in #33 above.

INS vs. AP is not relevant to the current issue because that case dealt with the facts of the news as gathered by AP but re-written and distributed by others. The court ruled that the facts in and of themselves were publici juris ("the history of the day") and not therefore subject to copyright. AP still won the case on grounds of unfair competition.

The current controversy deals with the exact words of AP reports, as produced by its writers. These certainly are subject to copyright, but AP's arbitrary new rules fly in the face of centuries of common-law and statutory precedent dealing with the concept of "fair use." Worse, I believe AP is trying to abolish "fair use" to blunt criticism of its practices, something it has absolutely no right to do.

re: #188 Mars Needs Neocons

When they were in the cellar is what really got me. When I was a kid we had one of those old coal cellars and I hated to go down there.

re: #174 markie

You'd think, Don't hold your breath though.

It would be awfully weird if it did happen...that's for sure.

re: #180 HelloDare

Healing and transcendent!

Timeless in style, epic in proportion, I laughed, I cried, I done fell out. It should be required reading daily for all humans and other primates and recordings of the speech should be broadcast 24/7 on every network and cable channel on the planet.

OK thats my prediction of Chris Matthews review of her upcoming speech.

re: #194 Mars Needs Neocons

I really liked it, but since the 1951 version of "The Thing" is one of my all time favorite movies, I like any sci-fi creepy movie.
I also watch 'Ghost Hunters' on the scifi channel. Love that show.

re: #194 Mars Needs Neocons

Didn't like Signs, but Unbreakable really worked for me. Of course I'm a comic book junkie.

Signs worked for me.

Lady in the water was good for Paul Giamatti, but too much suspension of disbelief overall. A tad cheesy.

The Village was mastery. To me, anyway (:

re: #196 newsjunkie_ky

When they were in the cellar is what really got me. When I was a kid we had one of those old coal cellars and I hated to go down there.

Just remember a highly advanced species would attack a planet covered in water when they are allergic to water.

/Seriously though, coal cellars are creepy in almost any situation.

re: #51 Occasional Reader

Or "magnetized the gunpowder"?

I will say that the Indiana Jones movie definatly borrowed it's physics and chemistry from fantasyland. I about died laughing at the "lead lined" refrigerator. Not the best of the franchise for certain, but better than "Temple of Doom".

I heard "The Happening" is only so-so.

My 6 year old grandson and I saw "Kung Fu Panda" this last weekend. We both laughed like crazy. Very well done movie. Highly recommend it to anyone, but especially those with 6-8 year olds.

bbl

S

And bloggers should establish a policy of charging AP a 1.00 fee everytime
a link is followed to their crap articles.

re: #199 newsjunkie_ky

I really liked it, but since the 1951 version of "The Thing" is one of my all time favorite movies, I like any sci-fi creepy movie.
I also watch 'Ghost Hunters' on the scifi channel. Love that show.

I'm still looking for a movie or PC game that uses actual ghost hunting tools and techniques.

re: #199 newsjunkie_ky

You should go to the Waverly Hills Sanatorium, if you live in KY. (I Just got back from Louisville this am).

That place is the real deal.

re: #202 SusanL

I will say that the Indiana Jones movie definatly borrowed it's physics and chemistry from fantasyland. I about died laughing at the "lead lined" refrigerator. Not the best of the franchise for certain, but better than "Temple of Doom".

I heard "The Happening" is only so-so.

My 6 year old grandson and I saw "Kung Fu Panda" this last weekend. We both laughed like crazy. Very well done movie. Highly recommend it to anyone, but especially those with 6-8 year olds.

bbl

S

The clips I saw were hilarious. Looks like Jack Black did very well as the panda.

re: #176 Lizard by the Bay

You may be speaking "tounge in cheek" but I truly fear this happening. I won't know what I would do without my daily dose of LGF.

re: #200 astronmr20

Signs worked for me.

Lady in the water was good for Paul Giamatti, but too much suspension of disbelief overall. A tad cheesy.

The Village was mastery. To me, anyway (:

I have noticed that even though we all disagree on which of his films were the best, we all liked at least one or two.

Haven't seen Lady in the Water, after being so dissapointed in Signs and The Village, I just had to take a break from his stuff.

What's a big signal a company/organization is about to go under?
Scraping for every penny they can without any thought to how badly they look/are perceived/thought to long term consequences...

re: #201 Mars Needs Neocons

Maybe our water is so full of chemicals, it was actually the 'contaminated' part that did them in. Remember what killed the 'martians' in "War of the Worlds".

re: #205 astronmr20

You should go to the Waverly Hills Sanatorium, if you live in KY. (I Just got back from Louisville this am).

That place is the real deal.

I will avoid that place with my life. And I do some ghost hunting as a hobby.

(Didn't they also film Session 9 there?)

re: #206 astronmr20

My son asked me if I was surprised that I liked Jack Black in this movie. I had to say no, as I have never seen any of his other movies. I couldn't even tell you what he has been in.

Much like most "movie stars". I could meet most of them on the street and wouldn't know who the heck they are.

S

OK really bbl, I've got to get some work done.

S

re: #204 Mars Needs Neocons

Do you watch 'Ghost Hunters'? they use thermal imaging and have caught some interesting things with it on numerous occasions.

If the AP charges other people for using their words...shouldn't people like George Bush and other frequently quoted individuals get the same deal?

re: #210 newsjunkie_ky

Maybe our water is so full of chemicals, it was actually the 'contaminated' part that did them in. Remember what killed the 'martians' in "War of the Worlds".

Didn't really think of that angle. But judging by their location I would suspect that it was well water, which is generally pretty pure.

can't believe I'm conjecturing about this. Of course Unbreakable had me doing this kind of thing for months. (Did you know that he intended Unbreakable as a trilogy?)

re: #214 DeathtotheSwiss

Especially since the mis-quote or take out of context at every opportunity.

S

They have made us an offer we can't refuse.

re: #205 astronmr20
I've always wanted to go. Do you live in KY or close?
What happened to you there?

re: #214 DeathtotheSwiss

They will claim they are public figures, and they are protected under the constitution with freedom of the press.

re: #213 newsjunkie_ky

Do you watch 'Ghost Hunters'? they use thermal imaging and have caught some interesting things with it on numerous occasions.

Quite frequently. I'm just saying I would like to see it in Film or Game. I've played a couple games that have done the ghost thing really well, but it would be seriously improved by the addition of proper equipment and technique.

re: #211 Mars Needs Neocons

Not sure, but I know some friends of theirs who do their own trips. The stuff they told me will absolutely keep me far, far away from there.

If you use Ajax to feed the AP article to the user, the blog would not owe anything.

re: #218 newsjunkie_ky

I've always wanted to go. Do you live in KY or close?
What happened to you there?

Never been to W.H... I live in Charlotte. Just flew in to Lville yesterday for a meeting, and returned today.

re: #211 Mars Needs Neocons

You do ghost hunting? COOL! Where are you located? Where have you hunted?

I loved The Sixth Sense and Signs, and liked the Village and Unbreakable.

Watching "Lady in the Water" was a bit like watching "Loose Change", in that you are allowing yourself to be bukkakied with stupid. "The Happening" looks to be in this same category.

re: #215 Mars Needs Neocons

I have not seen 'unbreakable'. I will get it.

re: #224 newsjunkie_ky

You do ghost hunting? COOL! Where are you located? Where have you hunted?

Im in MT. Haven't done anything above board yet, but my brother and I have snuck non-contact thermometers and other small equipment into a few public places that are supposed to be haunted.

Would really like to be able to afford some actual high end equipment.
I built some equipment years ago, but lost it when I went into the service (lost the book that had the schematics too.)

re: #220 Mars Needs Neocons

I'll ask my daughter what game she plays. She seemed to like it.
Perhaps you should design a game.

re: #225 Lizard by the Bay

I loved The Sixth Sense and Signs, and liked the Village and Unbreakable.

Watching "Lady in the Water" was a bit like watching "Loose Change", in that you are allowing yourself to be bukkakied with stupid. "The Happening" looks to be in this same category.

ROFL! ! ! !
"Bukkakied with stupid"

Haaahahahaha!

re: #228 newsjunkie_ky

I'll ask my daughter what game she plays. She seemed to like it.
Perhaps you should design a game.

It's actually funny, I have tons of material on game design and creation, and I have the ideas, it's a matter of putting them together.

I'm about to try a game called The Lost Crown. You might want to look it up online.

re: #225 Lizard by the Bay

I loved The Sixth Sense and Signs, and liked the Village and Unbreakable.

Watching "Lady in the Water" was a bit like watching "Loose Change", in that you are allowing yourself to be bukkakied with stupid. "The Happening" looks to be in this same category.

Oh god, that bad.

re: #227 Mars Needs Neocons

Im in MT. Haven't done anything above board yet, but my brother and I have snuck non-contact thermometers and other small equipment into a few public places that are supposed to be haunted.

Would really like to be able to afford some actual high end equipment.
I built some equipment years ago, but lost it when I went into the service (lost the book that had the schematics too.)

It's pretty easy to set up a rig to record EVP.

Here's an off the wall idea... how about all the bloggers take the time to do exactly what they can under the law and then let AP fight a losing legal battle... indeed, it is highly probable that if fair use can be demonstrated during pretrial motion the case(s) may even be dismissed... then counter sue for harassment/wrongful/malicious prosecution... tie up Al-P to the max in court fees and bad publicity... bleed the dinosaur's treasury dry and help them find a comfy spot in the dustbin of history... Hurt the MSM any way you can while you can because, imo, it is going to gear up to get blogs regulated/"fair timed"/censored (take your pick) in the traditional sense of yellow journalism...
Easy for me to say, but there it is...

re: #232 astronmr20

It's pretty easy to set up a rig to record EVP.

I know, it's just a matter of getting permissions and I don't like dealing with people. LOL. We have some pretty haunted locations here, and one of them is empty at the moment, I'd love to do something there. I went there when it was open and it was absolutely creepy.

I still think that audience, not really content, is the news industry’s $$ proposition. Content is moving toward the web and readers and advertisers are following. Maybe the AP shouldn't regard the blogosphere as an adversary but more as a building tool.

re: #233 anotherindyfilmguy

Good idea.. however, who wants to actually get sued, then defend themselves? (the whole money thing)

re: #236 snowcrash

I still think that audience, not really content, is the news industry’s $$ proposition. Content is moving toward the web and readers and advertisers are following. Maybe the AP shouldn't regard the blogosphere as an adversary but more as a building tool.

bingo.

re: #223 astronmr20
I have some friends who want to get a trip together to go to the Waverly. I'm sure it will creep me out.
I live alone and when I watch 'Ghost Hunters' I'm always checking over my back for something. lol. Lately my Daughter has been coming over to watch it with me (i dvr it) and have gotten her to really like the show. At that hotel in Eureka Springs they caught a full body thermal image which was really spooky.
I've had some paranormal experiences so I love that I found this show.

Just watched a preview for Space Chimps, laughed my ass off, my kids too.

re: #239 newsjunkie_ky

I have some friends who want to get a trip together to go to the Waverly. I'm sure it will creep me out.
I live alone and when I watch 'Ghost Hunters' I'm always checking over my back for something. lol. Lately my Daughter has been coming over to watch it with me (i dvr it) and have gotten her to really like the show. At that hotel in Eureka Springs they caught a full body thermal image which was really spooky.
I've had some paranormal experiences so I love that I found this show.

I caught that one. I also like the one where the thermal showed a number showing up hot that couldn't have been. Also a full-torso image.

re: #227 Mars Needs Neocons

Have you had some experiences?

re: #242 newsjunkie_ky

Have you had some experiences?

A few.

Before I knew the history of this one location (the one that's now empty) I told my wife I saw the shadow of a soldier in WW2 era dress standing by the hand cranked elevator.

In another location I felt someone walk through me.

And in a nearby cemetery, my brother and I have both seen a woman in a white dress.

re: #230 Mars Needs Neocons

Let me know when you get it going. I'll look up the game. Thanks.

re: #232 astronmr20

EVPs are really creepy.

Once AP or its subscribers have published an item on the internet for internet surfers to freely access and read without charge, have they not substantially abandoned their copyright in the material?
On the other hand, if a person copies material from AP's site and then uses that material in a commercial enterprise, can an argument not be made that there is a subsisting right which has been violated?
There may be a significant difference between commercial and non-commercial use.
These issues and others will no doubt be addressed by legal counsel for the bloggers association and AP.

re: #68 mama winger

Who IS the Associated Press anyway?

A bunch of terrorist-shilling stringers.

re: #234 Mars Needs Neocons
check out TAPS site. I think they can offer some assistance in setting things up.

re: #248 newsjunkie_ky

check out TAPS site. I think they can offer some assistance in setting things up.

I might.

The legitimacy of AP's case will probably stand or fall on the issue of Fair Use. See [Link: www.copyright.gov...] Copyright Basics Chapter One

Fair Use Rules:

§ 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use
Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include —

(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;

(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.

Sooo... Do the bloggers intend to profit commercially or do they intend to educate or report news? Are they reprinting a "substantial amount" of the work? (usually computed as a percentage - 5 words is a mighty small percentage) Are bloggers affecting APs potential market share?

One other thing to think about -- criticism/satire does not violate copyright.

re: #241 Mars Needs Neocons
That's the one. Man, that was really wild.

re: #251 newsjunkie_ky

That's the one. Man, that was really wild.

Loved it.

I also enjoy MonsterQuest, but get sick of the host proclaiming everything a myth after having only been there one night. Like he is the ultimate expert on Cryptozoology.

#233 anotherindyfilmguy

Here's an off the wall idea... how about all the bloggers take the time to do exactly what they can under the law and then let AP fight a losing legal battle

AP has already been effective at shutting down several smaller blogs because of Fair Use issues.

My suggestion would be that all of us bloggers simply write about stories ourselves. If we write them from our perspective and credit them mysteriously

"I saw this somewhere today, you can google it",

then, our readers can get the information

WITHOUT THE AP BIAS.

re: #209 anotherindyfilmguy

What's a big signal a company/organization is about to go under?
Scraping for every penny they can without any thought to how badly they look/are perceived/thought to long term consequences...

Exactly.
Dinosaur agencies like AP, UPI and Reuters are not long for this world and they know it. People like Michael Yon have proven that writers can market material to outlets on the other side of the world on their own, or with the assistance of genuine agents (as opposed to employers). The independent international reporter is about to make a huge comeback. The net just makes it too easy to market material directly to user publications. With a specialized agent to turn this into mass marketing, there is no longer a need for the traditional news agency like AP.

There are still some kinks to iron out, but a new type of writer's agency is about to be born. This would work just like a literary agent, but its stock in trade would be news rather than literature or features and it would work overnight rather than over weeks or months. The key difference between this new style agency and AP or Reuters is that the new agency would not be the writer's employer and the writer would retain all rights and decision making authority.

I just got off the phone after running this past my own (literary) agent. She says we are only months from seeing it work, if that long. Newspapers, TV stations and other outlets will be able to deal independently with reporters all over the world, with internet-based agents handling financial, legal, and marketing operations.

AP is doomed, and they are indeed going for every cent before the curtain falls.

I've noticed that the databases at the libraries include fewer and fewer free full-text articles...increasingly, to access an article, in full, you have to pay...and if you don't pay, you have only an abstract of the article (it really sucks.)

re: #205 astronmr20

You should go to the Waverly Hills Sanatorium, if you live in KY. (I Just got back from Louisville this am).

That place is the real deal.

Didn't they do a movie about that...if I remeber correctly.
Session # 9 or something like that.

re: #253 Pastorius

But the point is to expose the AP bias. Pants them. Put them in the light for what they are.

I think this may be partly what they are trying to stop.

re: #195 shiplord kirel

"... I believe AP is trying to abolish 'fair use' to blunt criticism of its practices, something it has absolutely no right to do."

The wire service's execs are also trying to reclaim the mainstream media's erstwhile status as a gatekeeper for news, to wrest it back from the mad blog rabble (see 14th graf) who have stolen their thunder and exposed the extent to which they have compromised their own integrity and undermined their own legitimacy.

Small men in large offices.

re: #256 Suzette

Didn't they do a movie about that...if I remeber correctly.
Session # 9 or something like that.

Scary freaking film. Don't think I could watch it again.

re: #254 Shiplord Kirel

I know this is coming, and it could be both good AND bad. They will still be stringers, weather through an agency or not, which can go either way.

If the affiliate news outlet is already biased, it won't matter much.

I could pave the way for better reporting, as well, but again, as mentioned, that depends on how the MSM uses such a service.

re: #260 astronmr20

"It"

Not "I."

PIMF.

#257 astronmr20 6/17/08 3:56:50 pm reply quote 0

But the point is to expose the AP bias. Pants them. Put them in the light for what they are.

I think this may be partly what they are trying to stop.

Good point.

Snapped Shot is not able to do that anymore. And that is a loss to the cause of truth.

Well, you know what? We bloggers can paraphrase their bias, just as well as we can dig through the story for the truth.

So, maybe we ought to do that.

Am I the only one thinking this is an attempt by the AP to disseminate their crap without it being open to criticism from bloggers?

If you can't post it, you can't Fisk the shit out of it.

re: #26 Ringo the Gringo

So what happens if someone uses an links to an AP story in the spinoff links, and pastes part of the article in the description box?...Will Charles receive a bill?

Or you will receive the bill yourself.

re: #249 Mars Needs Neocons

Good, keep me up to date on what happenes.
The house we lived in in FL was where I had some experiences. The back door (that opened to the screened porch) would come unlatched and be standing open in the mornings. I put on an extra chain lock and put an ottoman against the door. The next morning it was standing open again. One night we got home and I noticed the door was closed but the drapes were caught in the door. I opened it just enough to pull the drapes out and then closed the door. Then two loud thumps (like someone pounding on the door) hit right at my eye level. I bought died. I acutally called the police thinking someone was outside the door. 3 cars, 6 police, a dog, and a helicopter showed up. There were no footprints outside the screen porch door and it was also locked.
We closed in the screen porch and remodeled the living room and he didn't happen again. The man we bought the house from died 3 weeks after he moved from our house.
My kids and babysitter had a wild experience also.

re: #266 newsjunkie_ky

Good, keep me up to date on what happenes.
The house we lived in in FL was where I had some experiences. The back door (that opened to the screened porch) would come unlatched and be standing open in the mornings. I put on an extra chain lock and put an ottoman against the door. The next morning it was standing open again. One night we got home and I noticed the door was closed but the drapes were caught in the door. I opened it just enough to pull the drapes out and then closed the door. Then two loud thumps (like someone pounding on the door) hit right at my eye level. I bought died. I acutally called the police thinking someone was outside the door. 3 cars, 6 police, a dog, and a helicopter showed up. There were no footprints outside the screen porch door and it was also locked.
We closed in the screen porch and remodeled the living room and he didn't happen again. The man we bought the house from died 3 weeks after he moved from our house.
My kids and babysitter had a wild experience also.

Wow. Impressive.

re: #252 Mars Needs Neocons

I sometimes watch that and 'Destination Truth'. He does the same thing.
Don't know what happened to that show on A&E 'Paranormal State'. Only had a few shows but the first one scared the shiite outta me.

re: #259 Mars Needs Neocons

Yes it was. I like you have had experiences. If people could see the unseen...just saying.

re: #264 Geepers

Am I the only one thinking this is an attempt by the AP to disseminate their crap without it being open to criticism from bloggers?

If you can't post it, you can't Fisk the shit out of it.

That might be the aim, yes.

What's happening is that we as an internet community have applied pressure to a painful spot of theirs. It's either in the form of they and their affiliates simply losing readership to news blogs in general,

or

blogs like LGF and Snapped Shot exposing their bias and shoddy reporting to where both they and their affiliates are getting nasty email from actual readers... something the AP has never dealt with on this scale before.

Or both.

Does U.S. law always apply to this kind of situation?
For example, if the source site and the blog site are both foreign, or if the commenter is foreign, then why would U.S. law automatically apply?

The ASSociated Press are leftwing vermin scum.

I text this with all due respect too AP.

And I now take the previous respect back, drop dead AP. ( With all due respect... ;)