Stupid

I vote stupid.

Birds fly.
Fish swim.
Liars lie.

Same as it ever was.

What's stupid is expecting thugs to ever behave with honor- they have none, otherwise they wouldn't be thugs.

Very stupid and naive. So I'm positive it'll be a good fit For Che Obama.

terrorists only keep their word to allah.

The word of a Muslim is meaningless. A practicing Muslim does not have to tell the truth, and history shows they don't.

No surprise there

re: #6 nyc redneck

I'm sure they only keep their word to him when it suits them as well.

Hizballah isn't playing fair and square?! What is the world coming to?

I wonder why Europe fears Obama on Iran.

Amazingly stupid.

If a group has never shown the proclivity to uphold their end of a negotiated bargain (in scores of opportunities), they should no longer be trusted to be at the bargaining table.

At the end of total military victory against these kinds of groups is the ONLY time they should be allowed to sit at the same table and have any sort of discussion.

When have results ever mattered?

So stupid it is clever. Or so clever it is stupid. Either way, it is stupid.

Pakistan is trying the same thing, and learning the same thing repeatedly: the more you deal the more you get hurt.

there is something that we seem to have forgotten...

try not to hit, but if you ever have to, do it hard... hitting softly is unexcusable

There was a time when Israel would have shot their own men rather than allow this public knife-twisting to go on for years. Back then they had no choice and knew it. Now they have been infected with the State Department disease alluded to by President Bush when last in Israel: Appeasement.
Their only response to the thugs who took the men should be "Prepare to die".

Shocka !
I'm stunned, I gotta lie down.
/

Bait & switch...surprise!

Hezbollah and Hamas will keep expanding their demands until the "Zionists" leave "Palestine." In other words, these organizations will always have genocidal positions vis-a-vis Israel. Negotiating won't ever get too much over the long term.

But they haven't sat down and talked with WINNIE THE POOH yet, that will teach em.

re: #7 pat

I dislike any generalization like that. It is xenophobic, and typically ignorant.

I have had the honor of serving next to many muslims in combat. Good, honest, truthful, patriotic muslims. People who are as disgusted by what you mentioned as much as you are.

Stupid.

But no surprise as they've done this over and over and over again.

Clever if you've got a satellite checking your position and several hundred cruise missiles in the air.

Stupid if you're trying to convince zealots not to be zealots. The only way to make zealots happy is to give them everything they want, apologize for the inconvenience, then give them things they weren't brave enough to ask before.

To Obama, Hiz-bull-allah are not terrorists but friends, as is their paymaster, Ahmedinejad.

Of course Obama will pay any price, favor any foe, to defend the indefensible, to sell out his country.

Just don't ask Obama to meet with John McCain, without preconditions and hemming and hawing or gazillions of "weapons" made by Moveon-dot-org. It's "WAR" with McCain and those who love America's original freedoms.

re: #26 buzzsawmonkey

Appease porridge hot
Appease porridge cold
Does appeasement work? No, it does not
No matter what you're told.

Catchy...

It's just a shame Arafat isn't still around to complete the specter of "negotiation".
All that would be needed is Clinton and Carter along side The Big O
and the dunce patrol would be in full swing.
Has any negotiation with the terrorist loving radicals ever produced anything that would be useful to the side that actually wants peace?

In general stupid,
except one negotiates with a big stick (loaded gun, 100 F-16's) trouble is that Israel has now a PM who is in essence a run of the mill corrupt politician, who never served in the army. I believe it's essential for Israel to look back to the times when their PM's had real credentials.

Aaarrghh. This is not fair. I lived through the Carter bunglosity in the US with our hostages in Iran, and now I'm living in Israel watching all this go down over and over and over again.

I'm getting punchy. I DO NOT deserve my leaders!

re: #26 buzzsawmonkey

Maybe you like your football, but this might work as an avatar for you.

When do we start printing the "Don't blame me, I voted for McCain" bumper stickers?

Lemme see here: Hizbollah's record on keeping it's word = NEVER.
Hizbollah's record of calling for the total destruction of Israel = ALWAYS.

It seems pretty damn clear to me that the answer to the question posed is: STUPID.

they demand that hundreds of terrorists be released in exchange for 2 israeli soldiers.
this is typical of the outrageous inequitable nature of islam.
where ever it is, and regarding whatever it seeks to do.
it is foolish to believe they will ever negotiate willingly.

It's a Darwinian world.

re: #11 Beobachter

I wonder why Europe fears Obama on Iran.

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That's funny! Obama is a go-it-alone COWBOY, going mano-a-mano with Ahmedinejad, and ditching EUrodiplomats who've been waltzing with Ahmedinejad for years with Pres. Bush's blessings.

Multiparty diplomacy is working so well (NOT) that Obama ditches & flip flops on diplomacy and wants to do it the macho BUSH way, which Bush didn't actually do!

Hundreds of Palestinian thugs for TWO Israeli soldiers. Just about right as far as value to civilization.

Hizbullah has returned to its original demand that Israel release not only several Lebanese prisoners but also hundreds of Palestinian ones...

Why not, it's always worked in the past.

/stupid

SSSTOOOPID

re: #31 Sharmuta

Maybe you like your football, but this might work as an avatar for you.

It's a .gif file -- would have to be converted.

re: #37 Posted by Post

Hundreds of Palestinian thugs for TWO Israeli soldiers. Just about right as far as value to civilization.

ooohh... ouch

Negotiating with terrorists is useless- kill them first, negotiate later. If (when) rockets fly fro Gaza once again, respond with napalm. Declare that any part of Gaza where rockets originate is a "free fire" zone, and depopulate it. The greater the range of the rockets, the larger the free fire zone. See who stops first!

re: #36 alegrias

Multiparty diplomacy is working so well (NOT)

So... what system would you prefer?

re: #25 alegrias I wish I could give you a hundred updings for that one.
Great post!
Thanks.

re: #32 BigPapa

When do we start printing the "Don't blame me, I voted for McCain" bumper stickers?

THE QUESTION WAS: Negotiating with Terrorists, stupid or clever?

re: #11 Beobachter

I wonder why Europe fears Obama on Iran.

I have been saying this for years... secretly, Europe is thankful for GWB behind closed doors.

Isn't there a fine line between clever and stupid? That's what I always thunk.

The world is trying to gift horse Iran out of building nukes while they're backing these lying, murderous bastards. Imagine the shock if we bought them off and they didn't stop. Whoa, deja vu...

re: #42 kenprice

Negotiating with terrorists is useless- kill them first, negotiate later. If (when) rockets fly fro Gaza once again, respond with napalm. Declare that any part of Gaza where rockets originate is a "free fire" zone, and depopulate it. The greater the range of the rockets, the larger the free fire zone. See who stops first!

Agreed.

Really Simple Actually -

In a Lucy van Pelt moment, the "Hizzy-Fits" have moved the ball again. And water is wet. Did have my "I have not always been wrong.." moment today with NBC's announcement of Brokaw as Meet the Press moderator through the election.

-S-

re: #48 buzzsawmonkey

Or you could go more realist with this one.

WHAT ABOUT GILAD SHALIT? ? ?

To quote Rush,

You will have peace when somebody wins.

"If you stop being a terrorist, we will stop trying to kill you. Deal?"

That's sounds like a reasonable negotiation.

re: #43 Occasional Reader Uh, alegrias was talking about Iran, not Hizbollah (although the Iranian regime funds and arms Hizbollah).
And it seems pretty clear to me that if you do believe a nuclear armed Iran would be an imminent danger to Israel and indeed the entire ME, diplomacy isn't the answer at all.

Hizbullah has returned to its original demand that Israel release not only several Lebanese prisoners but also hundreds of Palestinian ones in exchange for kidnapped soldiers Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev, Ynet has learned.

One doesn't attempt to reason w/a rabid dog.  Hisbullah can ask for anything they want, and as far as I'm concerned, can then sit and spin.

}:)     [Bunch of barbaric monsters, the lot of 'em.]

Trying to negotiate with terrorists is like trying to negotiate with Charles Manson. YOU CAN'T. The underlings taking their orders from the leaders of Hamas and Al Qeada are frikin brainwashed, so even if and agreement WAS reached? THEN what? How do we stop the OTHERS? Do they think all of the brainwashed minions will lay down their arms and say "Ok, lets go home and have some goat".

You know that the US has given it's blessing to Hizbullah's grip on the Lebanese Government. But did you know that Bush/Rice intend to transfer $400 million in arms to Lebanon?

Know what sort of arms? Hundreds of anti-tank missiles.

"Lebanon" needs these weapons to fight...Martians.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Bush/Rice with the terrorists, against all decency, till their time runs out.

The only thing that Hizb'Allah is willing to negotiate is the manner and form of the destruction of Israel.

It is beyond stupid, I would even suggest that it is suicidal for Israel to even entertain the thought of "negotiating" with those ghouls.

re: #54 NonNativeTexan

To quote Rush,

You will have peace when somebody wins.

..or when someone surrenders, unconditionally.

re: #43 Occasional Reader

So... what system would you prefer?

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Hey Occasional. I'm no expert but Pres. Bush certainly gave leftists & Euros and democrats plenty of diplomatic rope with which to lasso Iran's nuclear ambitions.

If you think it's working, who am I to disagree. As long as we & Israel are prepared to knock out Iran's offending installations--unapologetically--let the dippy games go on.

I for one find it disgusting the EU sends Javier Solana the old US-hater ("SPAIN out of NATO, YANQUIS go home") to negotiate with Iran. He has no balls, as the street coward he was back in his youth in Spain, and of course he considers rogues like Iran "misunderstood" yoots. Solana is just an older Obama. And a pathetic excuse for leadership, but that's who the EU thinks is up to the job.

Spit.

re: #43 Occasional Reader

re: #36 alegrias

Multiparty diplomacy is working so well (NOT)

So... what system would you prefer?

Alegrias... mil disculpas, I read your post too quickly and thought it was a sarcastic reference to mulitparty DEMOCRACY. Oops.

re: #60 opinionated

You know that the US has given it's blessing to Hizbullah's grip on the Lebanese Government. But did you know that Bush/Rice intend to transfer $400 million in arms to Lebanon?

Know what sort of arms? Hundreds of anti-tank missiles.

"Lebanon" needs these weapons to fight...Martians.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Bush/Rice with the terrorists, against all decency, till their time runs out.

WHY?

Anyone?

BHO will leave a huge mess in the U.S.A., even if it is for just one term. He will make Jimmy Carter look like Reagan once he is finished.

re: #62 MarkX

or until one party is dead

OK, lets say Maximu§ is the Israeli Prime Minister for a day...heres how this deal would play out.

Negotiate whatever deal Hezbollah wants...in fact, free 600 hundred Palestinian murderers, terrorists and thugs for these (2) Israeli soldiers...do the exchange and let the POS terrorist be loaded on the buses.

Ambush the buses with Apache attack helicopters and kill them all.

Done Deal.

Negotiating *anything* with Hamas was just stupid.

But negotiating and not getting the kid back was immoral.

Stupid + immoral = Olmert.

And now, all sorts of additional prices will have to be paid, as is always the lot of the stupid and immoral.

Foreign Policy for $500.

Negotiating with terrorists is:
A. Clever
B. Stupid

I'm gonna go with B.

re: #70 kansas

sorry, not in the form of a question.

Those two poor guys are either dead or "disappeared" like the IAF navigator Ron Arad, now missing for 12 years. They need to be declared killed in action, giving the beturbaned Little Pig Nasrallah and his Apocolyptarian overlords in Iran no further pretext to play with the emotions of Israelis thereby crippling the decision making of the State.

Jews Are Infidels
Muslims Are Honor Bound To Lie To Infidels
Muslims Are Honor Bound To Lie To Jews.

What part of that is over the head of PM Olmerde?
What part of Hizbollunatics lying about a truce or peace deal is surprising. Olmerde should have resigned after his incompetence in Lebanon lost the war. He should have resigned upon the bribe scandal. He is a clear and present threat to peace and security of Israel. It is a tragedy and scandel, that the Knesset doesn't remove him and call for elections.

Stupid.

re: #9 Boondock St. Bender

I'm sure they only keep their word to him when it suits them as well.

What do you expect from a fallen angel hiding in a cave pretending to be a god?

I am breathlessly awaiting Olmerts resignation. I read Shas is still hanging on for more subsidies for their leisurely life style. I guess the religious cannot pray or study while defending the country?