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More Presidential Seal Imagery at Obama Site

Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 4:43:40 pm PDT

One of those posts we pointed out earlier at the official Barack Obama Community Blogs site has now vanished down the memory hole.

But if you watch closely as the now-vanished page loads, you can see something else that’s very interesting: Barack Obama : : Change We Can Believe In | Invalid URL.

The page background image is quickly covered up by a content box, but the image they’re using is actually another version of the Obama faux Presidential Seal. Subliminal imagery? Say it ain’t so, BHO!

Whether or not they intended this to subtly hypnotize the masses (maybe that explains the glassy eyes and Chris Matthews’ tingling legs?), this is clear evidence that the knock-off of the Presidential Seal was no accident, and no fluke—it’s a theme.

(Click the picture to see the full background image.)

(Hat tip: LGF readers.)

UPDATE at 6/24/08 5:24:06 pm:

From a web design standpoint this is interesting, because there’s no reason to put an image in that area when it’s only going to be quickly covered up by the page content. A complex background image adds significantly to page download time and bandwidth. At a site intended to handle millions of page views a day, these unnecessary bytes just don’t make a lot of sense. Unless they’re for a purpose.

Are they really going for a subliminal effect?

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1 Macker  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:45:24pm

Sneaky Bastards.

2 bellamags  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:45:40pm

unbelievable.

3 psyop  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:45:57pm

Ooooohhhh....

Sneaky

4 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:46:55pm

Is that an eagle or a dove?
Chicken?

5 psyop  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:46:58pm

What did they think?

That no one would notice?

Unbelievable!

6 vxbush  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:47:11pm

Narcissism will out, I suppose.

7 The Other Les  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:47:32pm

Their memory hole isn't deep enough.

8 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:47:50pm

I...must.....vote.....obambi.........

9 Shug  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:47:55pm

Obama giving us the bird, again

10 JeremyR  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:48:06pm

The Obama Nation of desolation.

11 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:48:24pm

That has been on there for awhile btw.

12 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:48:29pm

Hey, everybody gets one! Except TWP's, I guess.

13 The Other Les  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:48:29pm

re: #5 psyop

What did they think?

That no one would notice?

Unbelievable!

They believe that they are smarter than the rest of us.

Never mind the evidence to the contrary.

14 bellamags  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:48:35pm

I think this is appropriate.

losing my religion

15 Charles  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:48:52pm

Notice - in this version we're looking up the eagle's ass.

And it has the ring of stars from the real Seal.

16 Macker  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:49:41pm

Does that mean Obama's Eagle will shit on us all, Charles?

17 The Other Les  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:50:04pm

re: #15 Charles

Notice - in this version we're looking up the eagle's ass.

And it has the ring of stars from the real Seal.

We are getting the bird, aren't we?

18 bellamags  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:50:15pm

re: #15 Charles

Notice - in this version we're looking up the eagle's ass.

And it has the ring of stars from the real Seal.

and notice its right wing is touching its ass, kinda like "kiss this"

19 realwest  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:50:19pm

OT - but I'm having trouble posting on LGF tonight:
Hey all y'all - the Democrats showed today just how much they care for the demographic group that some pollsters believe is among McCain's strongest supporters: the elderly and the infirm, by reducing by billions of dollars the amount which Medciare will reimburse doctors (story and link in the spin-off links in the prior thread).
Just for those of you lucky enough to NOT have to rely on Medicare - Medicare ALREADY "allows" payments for virtually every doctor, surgical, prescription, and hospital visit, procedure or stay which are significantly below the amount normally charged by those doctors and hospitals - to the point where some doctors are just not taking Medicare patients at all. For example, I went on Medicare this calendar year and before the month of January was out, my internist sent me a note asking me to schedule a physical exam as soon as possible as he was already "booked" with his medicare patients through October of this year.
Bill was co-sponsored in the House by Charles Rangel (D-NY) and John Dingel (D-Michigan).
Congress has until June 30th to block legislation that would cut Doctor reimbursements by 11%.

20 jamgarr  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:50:21pm

Sealiminal

21 FlyingTigress  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:50:23pm

#8

All glory to the Hypnobama!

/Futurama

22 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:50:26pm

re: #15 Charles


It also has E Pluribus Unum

23 jaunte  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:50:43pm

Subliminobama!

24 faraway  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:50:45pm

Just like Obama. The ugly truth lies buried beneath beautiful phrases.

25 Russkilitlover  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:50:49pm

I dunno....that subliminal "eagle" looks more like a turkey vulture.

26 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:51:15pm

That looks like the seal of one of those government agencies that no one knows that it exists and no one knows what it does.

The edge of the shield looks a bit like a scythe, but I don't see a hammer.

27 Noam Chumpski  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:51:25pm

Politics aside: As a graphic designer, I have to say that that is some very nice work. Subtle, but strong... but Commies have always had great design.

28 psyop  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:51:26pm

re: #15 Charles

Notice - in this version we're looking up the eagle's ass.

And it has the ring of stars from the real Seal.

lol!

Are they saying they are mooning the country for daring to criticize their seal?

Interesting observation, Charles....

29 Aussie Infidel  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:51:51pm

If you yanks actually elect this guy then your lot will get what's coming to you for being terminally stupid.

Has the United States really slipped a cog to THAT extent. If so then God help us all where ever we live.

This is like an Twilight Zone series.

30 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:52:05pm

re: #15 Charles

And it has the ring of stars from the real Seal.

Of course it does -- there are 53 states ... or is it 59 ... I can never remember.

31 Alouette  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:52:25pm

The eagle looks like a penis with wings.

32 jaunte  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:52:46pm

In the middle of it all, there's a zero.

33 faraway  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:52:51pm

Obamessiah

And He will raise you up on eagle's wings,
Bear you on the breath of dawn,
Make you to shine like the sun,
And hold you in the palm of His Hand.
34 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:53:05pm

re: #28 psyop

re: #31 Alouette

So we're getting mooned and shafted at the same time? Classy.

35 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:53:10pm

re: #31 Alouette

The eagle looks like a penis with wings.

Uh oh, has the Obama site been pwned?

36 LC LaWedgie  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:53:41pm

It's Uncle Eagle sh*tting entitlements.

37 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:53:48pm

re: #22 Typicalwhitey

It also has E Pluribus Unum

Shucks. I can't make possum jokes about "E Pluribus Unum." Can't make jokes about that at all.

38 calvin coolidge  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:53:53pm

Look closer. The eagle is laying an OBAMA EGG.

39 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:53:54pm

This has been on his site for awhile.

I bet he got a lot of positive feedback, which is why he rolled out the obama seal.

Then when real people saw that seal, not just the obamatrons, I am sure he was shocked at the ridicule he received.

He operates inside an echo chamber, more gaffes will be committed, rest assured of that.

40 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:54:10pm

re: #31 Alouette

The eagle looks like a penis with wings.

By Jove, you're right!

41 Gozer the Carpathian  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:54:16pm

re: #27 Noam Chumpski

Politics aside: As a graphic designer, I have to say that that is some very nice work. Subtle, but strong... but Commies have always had great design.

QFT!

42 bellamags  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:54:41pm

re: #31 Alouette

OMG. Phallic!

43 LeePro  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:54:42pm

re: #22 Typicalwhitey

It also has E Pluribus Unum

Should be E Pluribus Fuckum

44 razorbacker  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:55:05pm

re: #29 Aussie Infidel

If you yanks actually elect this guy then your lot will get what's coming to you for being terminally stupid.

Has the United States really slipped a cog to THAT extent. If so then God help us all where ever we live.

This is like an Twilight Zone series.

The jury's still out. Thankfully, the only poll that counts isn't taken until November. I suspect it will turn out a mite different than the ones you're seeing now.

If it doesn't, got room for a housebroken redneck? (I'm joking. Aussieland looks like a fine place, but I'm not leaving America 'till they throw me out.)

45 JeremyR  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:55:15pm

re: #31 Alouette

The eagle looks like a penis with wings.

Well, Obama is a prick with ears, whadda ya expect?

46 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:55:22pm

re: #40 Lucius Septimius

By Jove, you're right!


It looks like a squirrel or chipmunk with wings to me lol

47 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:55:42pm

I'm sure if it weren't monochrome, the stripes wouldn't be red and white, but the "rainbow" flag.

Diversity Über Alles!

48 jetprop  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:55:54pm

Whoa..It's kinda' hypnotic..I stared at it and felt my self getting sleepy...

::chants in dull monotone..hope..change..progress..::

49 psyop  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:55:57pm

re: #34 Fat Jolly Penguin

re: #31 Alouette

So we're getting mooned and shafted at the same time? Classy.

It is our sad lot....

50 thepresenceusmc  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:56:05pm

I like their graphic designs. Too bad they're socialists.

Seriously, though, this isn't too over-the-top. Calling McCain's bus the "Straight-Talk Express" is more of an outrage.

51 bellamags  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:56:10pm

You have to squint to see the penis.

52 EC Marm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:56:30pm

re: #31 Alouette

The eagle looks like a penis with wings.


I was comparing it a day or so ago to the "Blind Faith" album over of about 30 years ago. Which was borderline pedophilic(sp?). So warning. Before clicking, here.

53 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:57:02pm

re: #51 bellamags

You have to squint to see the penis.

I used to date a guy like that.........

Just sayin'

54 Attaboid  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:57:21pm
ERROR: invalid page requested

They took it down.

55 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:57:22pm
56 The Shadow Do  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:57:47pm

Just what is the message in a pigeon taking a crap? I'm from the slow class, sorry.

57 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:57:53pm

The eagle from the seal is also on his My Space page.

58 bellamags  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:58:06pm

re: #53 Typicalwhitey

i started laughing after i hit post this comment. i really didn't mean it that way.

/lol

59 stevieray  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:58:10pm

A setting sun on the central shield, as the eagle looks away. I think he's saying America's time is past, and valor is looking for a new home.

60 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:58:14pm

re: #50 thepresenceusmc

I like their graphic designs. Too bad they're socialists.

Seriously, though, this isn't too over-the-top. Calling McCain's bus the "Straight-Talk Express" is more of an outrage.


Hmmm, fake presidential seal that everyone (but you apparently) is laughing their asses off

VS.

A war hero who names his bus.

I choose door number two.

61 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:58:23pm

Looks like an elitist, snobby, Michellish idea to me.

62 bill-tb  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:58:47pm

Comrade Obama is a post turtle.

63 ted  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:59:00pm

Bus-ted !

64 coquimbojoe  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:59:01pm

Its a pantload of arrogance....

65 gman  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:59:11pm

Before, the eagle had the flag on its chest and now the eagle's perched on top of the flag, so it can shit all over it.

66 MrC_5150  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:59:18pm

Well, I grabbed a screen shot but I see it's already up.

67 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:59:19pm

re: #58 bellamags

i started laughing after i hit post this comment. i really didn't mean it that way.

/lol

It wasn't too funny at the time..............


;)

68 StinkHammer  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:59:23pm

re: #27 Noam Chumpski

Commies have always had great design.

And ya gotta admit, those old Nazi uniforms were pretty snazzy, too (the bastards). The whole Bauhaus-ness of things.

What is it with totalitarians and aesthetics?

69 razorbacker  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:59:28pm

I can't believe no one has mentioned the bumper sticker.

It's hard to soar with the eagles when you hang out with a bunch of turkeys.

70 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:59:51pm

I prefer this one.

71 coquimbojoe  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:59:51pm

re: #15 Charles

Notice - in this version we're looking up the eagle's ass.

And it has the ring of stars from the real Seal.

How many newbies yesterday? Any trollishness?

72 Macker  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 4:59:58pm
73 MacGregor  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:00:15pm
Well, I hope were not too messianic
Or a trifle too satanic

-Mick Jagger

74 Josephine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:00:43pm

re: #31 Alouette

That's what it looks like to me, too.

75 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:00:54pm

re: #69 razorbacker

I can't believe no one has mentioned the bumper sticker.

I like this one.

It's hard to soar with the eagles when you're surrounded by weasels.

76 coquimbojoe  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:00:57pm

re: #72 Macker

FWIW: a monochrome rendition...

Its got those rays of light that make him a lightworker....

77 coquimbojoe  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:01:27pm

re: #75 jcm

I like this one.

It's hard to soar with the eagles when you're surrounded by weasels.

Hey there mister, how are the little ones? Everything well?

78 Yankee Division Son  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:01:32pm

OT-

Yet another epic failure in Iraq:


BAGHDAD – One senior-level al-Qaeda in Iraq leader was killed and a dozen suspects were detained when Coalition forces conducted operations striking terrorist networks around Iraq on Tuesday.

Coalition forces killed the al-Qaeda in Iraq “emir” of Mosul as they continued to disrupt terrorist operations there. When they reached the target building, the force was confronted by several terrorists committing hostile acts and exhibiting hostile intent, and they were forced to respond, killing one terrorist who reached for a pistol, one terrorist who attempted to detonate his suicide vest, and one female terrorist who tried to detonate the dead terrorist’s suicide vest

/AndThenBLAMMO!

79 JeremyR  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:01:47pm

re: #62 bill-tb

Comrade Obama is a post turtle.

Fixed it for ya!

80 Alouette  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:01:56pm

re: #31 Alouette

The eagle looks like a penis with wings.

An uncirc'ed penis.

81 psyop  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:02:02pm

re: #60 Typicalwhitey

Amen to that.

82 Charles  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:02:21pm

This is interesting - because from a web design standpoint, there's no reason at all to put an image in that area; it's only going to be quickly covered up by the page content. A rather complex background image like that adds significantly to the page download time and the bandwidth. It just doesn't make a lot of sense, unless it's for a purpose.

Are they really going for a subliminal effect?

83 Meremortal  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:02:33pm

I see lots of olive branches, but no arrows. I also see a very droopy flag with no spirit. And an eagle that is turned away from us?

This is really bad.

84 debutaunt  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:02:34pm

re: #4 Killgore Trout

Is that an eagle or a dove?
Chicken?

I was surprised that they previously used a right wing eagle.

85 thepresenceusmc  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:03:16pm

re: #60 Typicalwhitey

Well, I'm having a hard time distinguishing McCain from Obama these days, hence the crack about the bus. Who's for raising taxes, global warming, and such, after all?

I'm voting Barr, so these idiots are both fair game: McCain the dotard political prostitute and Nobama the Fascist. :)

86 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:03:49pm

It worked. I'm now a certified Obamaton.

Change!

/

87 LSD  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:04:00pm

Isn't Subliminal Imagery illegal?
Orwell in da house ...

88 Smilin' Jack  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:04:04pm

Where's the possum? I don't see any mention of the possum. Is the possum under the bus? Maybe the possum is roadkill. That's it, roadkill on Obama's road to the Whitehouse. I got first dibs on the possum's l'il carcass; he's goin' into the stew!

Maybe the l'il critter's just playin' possum.....

Beg pardon, I got's to go read scripture.
SJ

89 Ojoe  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:04:06pm
90 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:04:17pm

re: #82 Charles

This is interesting - because from a web design standpoint, there's no reason at all to put an image in that area; it's only going to be quickly covered up by the page content. A rather complex background image like that adds significantly to the page download time and the bandwidth. It just doesn't make a lot of sense, unless it's for a purpose.

Are they really going for a subliminal effect?

I think they are.
Every time you click on something and it changes pages, that image comes up for a second.

91 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:04:20pm

re: #77 coquimbojoe

Hey there mister, how are the little ones? Everything well?

Everything well, guys are watching a fire engine video while I putter around the kitchen getting dinner ready.

92 coquimbojoe  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:04:29pm

re: #80 Alouette

An uncirc'ed penis.

So the eagle isn't Jewish...Who knew? Get him a moyle, anybody know some good bris music?

93 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:04:44pm

re: #85 thepresenceusmc

Well, I'm having a hard time distinguishing McCain from Obama these days, hence the crack about the bus. Who's for raising taxes, global warming, and such, after all?

I'm voting Barr, so these idiots are both fair game: McCain the dotard political prostitute and Nobama the Fascist. :)

Still hurtin' from Luap Nor's withdrawl?

94 coquimbojoe  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:05:12pm

re: #89 Ojoe

They should actually use this

Don't. Desecrate. Krusty.

95 The Shadow Do  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:05:15pm

re: #85 thepresenceusmc

Are you from the slow class too?

96 bellamags  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:05:17pm

Notice how the left wing is very robust and the right wing is non-descript, therefore it looks like a penis?

97 Nightlight  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:05:29pm

This image shows up briefly on lots of other pages too. This is from the Generation Obama page. I do believe this was intentionally placed for subliminal reasons.

[Link: go.barackobama.com...]

98 VegasRick  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:05:36pm

re: #85 thepresenceusmc

Well, I'm having a hard time distinguishing McCain from Obama these days, hence the crack about the bus. Who's for raising taxes, global warming, and such, after all?

I'm voting Barr, so these idiots are both fair game: McCain the dotard political prostitute and Nobama the Fascist. :)

Waste of a vote.

99 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:05:37pm

re: #82 Charles

This is interesting - because from a web design standpoint, there's no reason at all to put an image in that area; it's only going to be quickly covered up by the page content. A rather complex background image like that adds significantly to the page download time and the bandwidth. It just doesn't make a lot of sense, unless it's for a purpose.

Are they really going for a subliminal effect?

The Obama campaign will get tons of mail on how slow the site is. BHO will then use this to promise free fiber optic for everyone!

100 bellamags  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:05:43pm

re: #89 Ojoe

rofl

101 Aussie Infidel  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:05:43pm

re: #44 razorbacker 6/24/08 4:55:05 pm

Actually I currently live in the Peoples' Democratic Republik of Helengrad (otherwise known as New Zealand). We are about to toss comrade Clark under the bus in October. Still after 9 years being 'ruled' and i use that objectively, the socialists have already done their job and are at a loss about what to do now.


Here we get to vote Socialist Conservative (Faux-right wing / dry economics and wet social policy) or Conservative socialist (VERY wet social policy and just damp economics)
Comrade Clark has just said that there ..."isn't enough time '... to get a non-binding citizens initiated referendum on the ballot paper for the next election, on the criminalization of parental discipline of children. Here in 'Helengrad' NZ we now suffer criminalization if we smack our child for running on the road.

Likewise the Labour party has severely restricted free speech in an election year by mandating highly partisan laws governing election financing.


You think it can't happen in a mature democracy mate. New Zealand is the proof that it CAN!

Be afraid... Be VERY afraid... in November!

102 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:06:16pm

re: #85 thepresenceusmc

I'm voting Barr...

Which means that you're essentially voting for Obama.

103 bellamags  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:06:24pm

re: #97 Nightlight

WOW

104 GFinOaktown  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:06:35pm

Looks like it's laid an egg.

105 BFSkinner  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:07:11pm

Again at Dk. You are not going to believe this. The white house is controlled by those wacky Jews since they have dual citizenship and of course the url to support is a 9-11 truth site

106 smfoushee  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:07:36pm

I actually like that one far better than the spoof on the seal. It reminds me of some post-revolutionary artwork, and at least they got the slogan right this time.

107 Ojoe  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:07:52pm
108 coquimbojoe  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:08:07pm

re: #104 GFinOaktown

Looks like it's laid an egg.

Or crapped.

I here that Oakland is a great place to live, if you're a bullet! Any good back to school sales at the gun shops?

/;-)

109 gman  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:08:14pm

According to this article, you can download the "Obama Seal" from the Obama website.

110 Ojoe  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:08:34pm

re: #82 Charles

I think so.

111 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:08:37pm

re: #85 thepresenceusmc

Well, I'm having a hard time distinguishing McCain from Obama these days, hence the crack about the bus. Who's for raising taxes, global warming, and such, after all?

I'm voting Barr, so these idiots are both fair game: McCain the dotard political prostitute and Nobama the Fascist. :)

BHO
1st Amend, here comes the fairness doctrine back to radio and to the blogosphere.

2nd Amend, what 2nd Amend.

Get ready to welcome a Canadian style Human Rights commission.

Surrender in the war on terror.

Surrender to the Mad Mullahs.

Yeah right! No f'in difference.

Wake up and smell the commie.

112 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:08:48pm

re: #85 thepresenceusmc

Well, I'm having a hard time distinguishing McCain from Obama these days, hence the crack about the bus. Who's for raising taxes, global warming, and such, after all?

I'm voting Barr, so these idiots are both fair game: McCain the dotard political prostitute and Nobama the Fascist. :)


Hope this helps:

Obama : govt can spend your money better
McCain: you can spend your money better

Obama: Lets sit around the campfire and talk our problems away
McCain: Protect and Preserve

Obama: terrorists are sooo misunderstood
McCain: Ready, aim....

Obama: lets leave iraq, last one out turn out the lights
McCain: lets win first and then leave

I have to admit that I choose the war hero over the empty suit.
And I am proud of that choice.

113 LeePro  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:09:11pm

re: #33 faraway

Obamessiah

Sorry, I had to down-ding you on that one. That's one of my most favorite, most inspiring hymns. Please don't associate the Obamanation with Isaiah! ! !

/rant

114 Ojoe  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:09:18pm

re: #94 coquimbojoe

OK

115 Shug  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:09:19pm

I am not surprised the Left wing is so large.

the beak is dull and weak looking

those aren't olive branches. they are marijuana plants

a perfect bird for this birdbrained candidate

116 thepresenceusmc  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:09:26pm

re: #93 wrenchwench

Nope, not hurting. I was ready for it and just kept fighting.

I don't know how people will vote for McCain or Nobama. They're so stale and yesteryear. Obama's exciting until you read his policies. McCain's flip-flops are epic and his temper is legendary. (Try that for subliminal marketing.)

No thanks.

117 Gjergj Skënderbeu  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:09:51pm

re: #4 Killgore Trout

Is that an eagle or a dove?
Chicken?


It's the new American White-Dove of surrender. Courtesy of Barry O.

118 EC Marm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:09:54pm

re: #82 Charles


Are they really going for a subliminal effect?


I don't think the average citizen/voter nowadays understands subliminal influences/images. I find it amazing how, day after day, the top blog posting I have, traffic wise, is based on a Google search of that word. You should try it yourself.

119 Yankee Division Son  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:09:59pm

The failures just keep getting worse..

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN)-- Iraq's Anbar province -- once dominated by Sunni insurgents but now a bastion of tribal opposition against the militants -- will soon be run by the Iraqi military.

The U.S. military said it would transfer security responsibility for Anbar this week to the Iraqi military, a bellwether event that illustrates what Iraq and the United States describe as a profound stride in their efforts to foster stability.

120 6pat6  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:10:00pm

B-HO is a pathetic fucknut, bought and paid for by Soros and the Chicago goonsquad.

He must be defeated at the polls!

People are still getting mesmerized by this hack, and I just don't understand how voters can be so fooled by his greasy used-car salesman/ambulance-chasing lawyer schtick!

121 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:10:03pm
122 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:10:06pm

re: #85 thepresenceusmc

Well, I'm having a hard time distinguishing McCain from Obama these days, hence the crack about the bus.

Maybe it's the crack that won't allow you to distinguish the difference.

123 The Shadow Do  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:10:28pm

re: #85 thepresenceusmc

Well, I'm having a hard time distinguishing McCain from Obama these days, hence the crack about the bus. Who's for raising taxes, global warming, and such, after all?

I'm voting Barr, so these idiots are both fair game: McCain the dotard political prostitute and Nobama the Fascist. :)

Please don't waste your vote. Write in Micky Mouse! Power to the vermin!

124 WhiteRasta  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:10:40pm

re: #116 thepresenceusmc

Are you implying that you won't vote?

125 MacGregor  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:10:52pm

re: #82 Charles

It only needs to be downloaded once then it's in the cache.

Also, Look at the upper right of the graphic - it resembles flourishes in our currency.

126 coquimbojoe  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:11:00pm

re: #114 Ojoe

OK

Besides, weren't we gonna put that up to vote as the Great Seal of the Axis of Joe?

127 VegasRick  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:11:07pm

re: #116 thepresenceusmc

Nope, not hurting. I was ready for it and just kept fighting.

I don't know how people will vote for McCain or Nobama. They're so stale and yesteryear. Obama's exciting until you read his policies. McCain's flip-flops are epic and his temper is legendary. (Try that for subliminal marketing.)

No thanks.

You're not welcome.

128 Summer  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:11:09pm

And it says: E Pluribus Unum.

He is a Pretender.

129 Ojoe  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:11:18pm

re: #121 jcm

Yep.

130 razorbacker  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:11:57pm

Warning...warning...warning.

I have an ... interesting...sense of humor. It's not for everyone.

But the clip from the ONN here is funny.

scroll down. It's under Monday's blogposts.

131 snowcrash  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:12:24pm

Maybe it's a reverse side of a piece of "change".

132 kosherkevin  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:12:30pm

As others have pointed out the "Eagle" is showing us it's hind quarters. Perhaps it is a comment on BO's Iraq policy . . . TURN TAIL AND RUN!

I can't believe people like this guy.

133 galloping granny  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:12:41pm

This is more of a take off on the real Presidential Seal than the one Obama has thrown under the bus. Unbelievable hubris, since the man is not yet officially even the democrat's candidate from President of the United States of America.

134 Summer  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:12:48pm

It is, however, a beautiful graphic. I do admit that. But only a Pretender would make that the logo for their campaign.

135 Ojoe  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:13:03pm

re: #126 coquimbojoe

OK again. that's 2 of 3 is it not?

Time to cook dinner. BBL

136 The Shadow Do  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:13:08pm

re: #116 thepresenceusmc

McCain's flip-flops are epic and his temper is legendary.

Where in the heck do you get your news?

137 Silhouette  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:13:11pm

Is it just me or is his fantasy presidential seal in United Nations blue?

He has a dream.

138 Shug  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:13:11pm
139 BFSkinner  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:13:42pm
Another one for LGF. nt (3+ / 0-)
140 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:14:14pm

re: #135 Ojoe

OK again. that's 2 of 3 is it not?

Time to cook dinner. BBL

I keep telling you; I am not eating with you again.

141 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:15:02pm

re: #136 The Shadow Do

Where in the heck do you get your news?

kos/myddd etc

142 ypnxjkb  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:15:03pm

"E PLURIBUS SCREWEM" thats meeeshell's motto,WORD.

143 coquimbojoe  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:15:05pm

re: #132 kosherkevin

As others have pointed out the "Eagle" is showing us it's hind quarters. Perhaps it is a comment on BO's Iraq policy . . . TURN TAIL AND RUN!

I can't believe people like this guy.

Maybe its not an eagle, it could be a chicken hawk?

144 Silhouette  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:15:17pm

re: #116 thepresenceusmc

Obama's exciting until you read his policies.

Without knowing what he stood for, what were you excited about, his haircut?

145 Aussie Infidel  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:15:52pm

#120 6pat6
.......'People are still getting mesmerized by this hack, and I just don't understand how voters can be so fooled by his greasy used-car salesman/ambulance-chasing lawyer schtick!..........

I'm with you 6pat6

146 galloping granny  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:15:59pm

re: #134 Summer

It is, however, a beautiful graphic. I do admit that. But only a Pretender would make that the logo for their campaign.

Note the 13 stars, the olive leaves and the motto. This is not the logo of Obama's campaign, this is his new and "improved" version of the Official Seal of the President of the United States. Do not fail to notice the glaring omission - no arrows.

147 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:16:00pm

re: #102 Ringo the Gringo

Which means that you're essentially voting for Obama.

I wish they would put two boxes by each person's name: One for Yes and one for No. You can check either one for each person. (Checking Yes and No for the same person is not a vote for Gore, Floridians.) For each person, add up all the yeses and subtract the nos for the final tally. All the candidates would no doubt have negative results. The least negative wins, with Electoral College approval, of course.

I wonder if it would work or if it the result of sleep deprivation...

148 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:16:10pm

re: #144 Silhouette

Without knowing what he stood for, what were you excited about, his haircut?

his leg was tingling

149 coquimbojoe  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:16:22pm
150 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:16:26pm

re: #116 thepresenceusmc

Nope, not hurting. I was ready for it and just kept fighting.

I don't know how people will vote for McCain or Nobama. They're so stale and yesteryear. Obama's exciting until you read his policies. McCain's flip-flops are epic and his temper is legendary. (Try that for subliminal marketing.)

No thanks.

Obama's already said he's going to surrender.

McCain doesn't know that word, and wouldn't know how if he did.

Maybe we need a CinC who will make the Mad Mullahs, Jung Il, Castro, Chavez, Mugabe and that ilk CRAP THEIR FUCKING PANTS!

151 Shug  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:16:32pm

e. pluribus fool'em

152 Silhouette  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:16:36pm

I count 15 stars.

Those must have been the 15 colonies before we became the 57 states.

153 thepresenceusmc  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:17:16pm

re: #136 The Shadow Do

Where in the heck do you get your news?

Not from the DNC and RNC, I promise. The list is entirely too long to post here, but suffice to say that if McCain and Nobama were the only names on the ballot, I'd write in "None of the Above." As it is, I'll vote for Bob Barr.

I will always thank Bush for driving me far enough from the GOP to become a Libertarian.

154 gman  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:17:53pm

Funny, the images found on links in this article are no longer available at the download section of Obama's website. I guess the presidential seal idea wasn't just a one time thing after all.

155 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:17:57pm

Each group has their own OBAMA SEAL!

I can't believe this!

156 Tarkus289  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:17:59pm

Quick question,
I've installed Firefox3, and retained Firefox2, now every time I open either one, I still get the Firefox tab, it is only supposed to come up the first time
you open it. Does anybody know how to prevent this. Thanks in advance.

157 BigJohn  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:18:11pm
158 Alouette  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:18:14pm

re: #96 bellamags

Notice how the left wing is very robust and the right wing is non-descript, therefore it looks like a penis?

That's a right wing? I thought it was the eagle's head.

Now looking closely, what I thought was a crumpled, disabled left wing is really the eagle's head.

So they made the right wing look like a penis?

If that's not subliminal then I don't know what is.

159 Shug  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:18:14pm

re: #152 Silhouette

I count 15 stars.

Those must have been the 15 colonies before we became the 57 states.

Option A : no attention to detail at their design studio. Forgot to count out 13

Option B : No knowledge of history.


answer_____ B

Correct

160 itellu3times  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:18:43pm

Eagle is set to leave Iraq immediately.

161 thepresenceusmc  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:18:43pm

re: #144 Silhouette

I'm speaking figuratively. I do enjoy his speaking ability. He's probably the best rhetorician since Reagan. Sadly, he's a full-fledged leftist wingnut. Where are our "great communicators?"

162 GoatGuy  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:18:51pm

How interesting...

[Channeling that dope who sued Foster's Freeze for having a cone design that when viewed sideways looked 99% unlike "allah", yet the 1% was enough to get the company to change the logo...]

Isn't that an Allah under the Waves-of-Grain (or "crop circle")?

But I thought Barry O'Bambam is a Christian...
Wait. Krazy Uncle Moahmar Khaddaffaiegh sez Bambam is from Kenya and is the 29th Imam. Or something like that.

163 coquimbojoe  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:19:14pm

re: #135 Ojoe

OK again. that's 2 of 3 is it not?

Time to cook dinner. BBL

3 for 3.

164 cybermonk  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:19:38pm

re: #68 StinkHammer

those spiffy Nazi uniforms were designed by Hugo Boss, he had an eye for fashion

165 Shug  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:19:40pm

re: #155 Typicalwhitey


hey, where is the muslim seal ?

166 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:19:48pm

re: #155 Typicalwhitey

Each group has their own OBAMA SEAL!

I can't believe this!

We can some fun with that!

The Jidahist Seal, with a white flag in the middle.

167 Summer  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:19:54pm

re: #146 galloping granny

Oh I agree, and it's definitely his "vision" of....something. I was just commenting on the quality of the graphic. It is very nicely done. The soft white on blue etc...very nice quality job.

But for choosing that, he is a Pretender. He is a Pretender to the throne, and I won't have it.

And I'm not being facetious. It is absolutely intolerable that he does this.

168 bellamags  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:20:12pm

re: #155 Typicalwhitey

wheres the one for regular white guys?

169 The Other Les  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:20:18pm

re: #82 Charles

This is interesting - because from a web design standpoint, there's no reason at all to put an image in that area; it's only going to be quickly covered up by the page content. A rather complex background image like that adds significantly to the page download time and the bandwidth. It just doesn't make a lot of sense, unless it's for a purpose.

Are they really going for a subliminal effect?

Do they really believe that they are smarter than the rest of us?

Yes!

170 MrC_5150  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:20:27pm

re: #65 gman

Before, the eagle had the flag on its chest and now the eagle's perched on top of the flag, so it can shit all over it.

Looks like a couple arrows were shot through it. Hard to tell for sure though.

171 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:20:36pm

re: #165 Shug

hey, where is the muslim seal ?


No seals for "white folks" or "Men"
Seriously, everyone else but whites and men.

172 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:20:39pm

re: #128 Summer

And it says: E Pluribus Unum.

He is a Pretender.

I think there is a rule somewhere that you don't put on the crown until the old king is dead.

173 Silhouette  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:20:44pm

re: #148 Typicalwhitey

his leg was tingling

What I was worried about.

Liking someone without knowing anything about their policies implies liking them for how they look or something else superficial. At best, this could be shallow, at worst.... There are those that are excited over electing him because of his racial mixture.

The technical term for that is racism.

174 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:20:53pm

I give up believing the people surrounding this man think that he's actually taken a shit in his life.

175 Racer X  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:21:01pm

re: #153 thepresenceusmc

As it is, I'll vote for Bob Barr.


Ha!

And you call McCain a flip flopper.

176 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:21:22pm

re: #155 Typicalwhitey

Each group has their own OBAMA SEAL!

I can't believe this!

Jeeeez -- the Balkanization of America.

177 Shug  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:21:42pm

re: #51 bellamags

You have to squint to see the penis.

That's Michelle's line

178 Suzette  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:21:45pm

re: #85 thepresenceusmc

Well, I'm having a hard time distinguishing McCain from Obama these days, hence the crack about the bus. Who's for raising taxes, global warming, and such, after all?

I'm voting Barr, so these idiots are both fair game: McCain the dotard political prostitute and Nobama the Fascist. :)

You can not tell the difference from McCain and Obama?
/big difference....McCain at least respects America and our troops.
Does Obama? No.

179 The Shadow Do  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:21:49pm

re: #153 thepresenceusmc

I will always thank Bush for driving me far enough from the GOP to become a Libertarian.

Dope is good. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Barr. CIC. Have a big, big doob my friend. Carry on.

crimeinitely, what a world.

180 bellamags  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:22:09pm

re: #153 thepresenceusmc

are you a Paulastinian?

181 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:22:32pm

re: #168 bellamags

wheres the one for regular white guys?

They are fated to be the exploited underclass under the Great Father and Teacher's new regime of "social justice."

Pack light. The boxcars will be crowded.

182 bellamags  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:22:37pm

re: #177 Shug

LOL

183 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:22:40pm
re: #153 thepresenceusmc

I will always thank Bush for driving me far enough from the GOP to become a Libertarian.


The GOP is not one man.

184 Summer  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:22:59pm

re: #172 David IV of Georgia

Totally.

This makes me mad. Seriously.

185 LeePro  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:23:06pm

re: #85 thepresenceusmc

Well, I'm having a hard time distinguishing McCain from Obama these days, hence the crack about the bus. Who's for raising taxes, global warming, and such, after all?

I'm voting Barr, so these idiots are both fair game: McCain the dotard political prostitute and Nobama the Fascist. :)

Yeah, way to go...

Vote Barr = Elect Obama

We will remember you!

186 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:23:08pm

re: #181 Lucius Septimius

They are fated to be the exploited underclass under the Great Father and Teacher's new regime of "social justice."

Pack light. The boxcars will be crowded.


Whites and Men are not included.
Seriously

187 HelloDare  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:23:12pm

Obama deep-sixed the seal. That's a shot of it at 6 fathoms down.

188 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:23:16pm

re: #153 thepresenceusmc

Not from the DNC and RNC, I promise. The list is entirely too long to post here, but suffice to say that if McCain and Nobama were the only names on the ballot, I'd write in "None of the Above." As it is, I'll vote for Bob Barr.

I will always thank Bush for driving me far enough from the GOP to become a Libertarian.

I don't know what BB thinks he is doing, but I do what he is doing. He is making it easier for Obama to win. Don't fool yourself thepresenceusmc, you have the choice of two candidates in this election, McCain or Obama. No other candidate has a hope of winning, so if you feel you must 'make your statement', go right ahead, but realize that you and others like you may very well be ushering in someone that you really, really, do not want as CinC. Go ask the DNC about Ralph Nader and see what they think about spoiler candidates.

189 gman  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:23:28pm

Looks like the eagle in this seal is facing left. hmmmm, wonder why?

190 HoosierHoops  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:24:04pm

During the month of May.. Indiana was deluged in Obama Ad's.
They were done very well..I guess you could look them up on youtube.
The ads were done very professionally and did have a wide appeal to the democrats. My point is this.. Don't underestimate the power of the media..Barack has like a zillion dollars.. Without 527 money McCain has no chance..This guy is a superStar..and the only way to bring him down to size is legal individual groups to proclaim the truth about this man..Just like Kerry...Don't stretch the truth..just tell the truth..
/baby jesus couldn't win indiana in a 100 years...but i'm just say'n for the rest of you states..

191 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:24:11pm

re: #159 Shug

Option A : no attention to detail at their design studio. Forgot to count out 13

Option B : No knowledge of history.


answer_____ B

Correct

It may not be a lack of knowledge of, it's more a total disregard for.

192 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:24:13pm

re: #176 Lucius Septimius

Jeeeez -- the Balkanization Barackanization of America.


Fixed it for ya.

193 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:24:15pm

re: #171 Typicalwhitey

No seals for "white folks" or "Men"
Seriously, everyone else but whites and men.

We weren't they when they handed out seals.
Either in church or at the gun range.

194 The Shadow Do  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:24:27pm

re: #161 thepresenceusmc

I'm speaking figuratively. I do enjoy his speaking ability. He's probably the best rhetorician since Reagan. Sadly, he's a full-fledged leftist wingnut. Where are our "great communicators?"

Gasbag one trick elocutionist. Uh, uh, uh.....

195 bellamags  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:24:39pm

re: #181 Lucius Septimius

really, that kind of stuff bothers me. The media and the current culture are totally neutering our men.
They make them look stupid or out of touch, harsh, closed minded, you name it.

it makes me sad.

196 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:25:34pm

re: #176 Lucius Septimius

Jeeeez -- the Balkanization of America.

Barackanization?

197 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:25:36pm

re: #193 jcm

We weren't they when they handed out seals.
Either in church or at the gun range.


Stop being so damn bitter...........
;)

198 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:25:50pm

re: #186 Typicalwhitey

Whites and Men are not included.
Seriously

Oh, I'm serious as well. Their vision of "justice" means the aggressive punishment of those people they define as the "oppressors."

If Obama gets elected, reparations will be the least of the evils we will have to put up with.

199 thepresenceusmc  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:26:01pm

re: #175 Racer X

Flip-flopping is McCain (1999-2002) getting together with McCain (2006-Today) trying to hide McCain (2003-2005).

Barr converted to the better angels of his nature, the Libertarians. I can accept a conversion, but not a soulless political gigolo like McCain. He'll say what he needs to to get elected.

I'll end on this note: How do you guys like the $300 million for car batteries that McCain threw out to the greens yesterday? Goodnight!

200 Blackacre  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:27:16pm

Subliminal messages? Why this charge is just downright mean, low class, and detestable. The Obamessiah demands that you shed your cynicism.
/Need I?

201 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:27:20pm

re: #199 thepresenceusmc

Flip-flopping is McCain (1999-2002) getting together with McCain (2006-Today) trying to hide McCain (2003-2005).

Barr converted to the better angels of his nature, the Libertarians. I can accept a conversion, but not a soulless political gigolo like McCain. He'll say what he needs to to get elected.

I'll end on this note: How do you guys like the $300 million for car batteries that McCain threw out to the greens yesterday? Goodnight!


Hey you know what?
If it keeps our money out of the terrorists pockets and bankrupts those countries that support them, then I am all for it.

202 The Shadow Do  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:27:42pm

re: #199 thepresenceusmc

Barr converted to the better angels of his nature, the Libertarians.

good grief.

203 Render  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:28:07pm

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

You’re disgusted with the GOP for giving us such a “crappy” candidate?

You think that your little political issues are more important than winning this war?

So you’re going to send the GOP a “message” by not voting in this election?

Your null vote is a vote for Obama and the DNC.

The same Obama that said this...

"I'm the only major candidate who opposed this war from the beginning; and as president, I will end it.

"Second, I will cut tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending. I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems. I will not weaponize space. I will slow our development of future combat systems.

"I will institute an independent defense priorities board to ensure that the Quadrennial Review is not used to justify unnecessary defense spending.

"Third, I will set a goal for a world without nuclear weapons. To seek that goal, I will not develop nuclear weapons; I will seek a global ban on the production of fissile material; and I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert, and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenal."

[Link: www.ibdeditorials.com...]

Obama did not say “win” this war he clearly said “end it.”

In war the only opposite of the word “win” is “lose” because a draw is only a postponement.

An Obama who has said this repeatedly...

“Bringing Our Troops Home

Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.”

[Link: www.barackobama.com...]

As if a crushed and rapidly disolving al Qaeda in Iraq was Iraq’s only problem in the post Saddam world. What message does this send to those nations, (Turkey, Qatar, and Dijibouti), in that region that already have large US bases? What happens 15 months later to the last one or two US brigades in Iraq as the resurgent Iranian trained, supplied, and led Shia militias close down Iraq’s only ports of access to the sea? What happens to the US allied Iraqi military when they are cut off from their American sources of supply?

What message has Obama sent to the enemy by revealing his timetable like this? Not just to the enemy who now knows that if Obama is elected they only have to wait 16 months to retake all that they have lost over the last eight years. Not just to those nations in the region still sitting on the fence, what has Obama’s 16 months until enemy victory message sent to our tenuous allies in the region?

And you think you’re sending a message to the GOP by not pulling the right lever?

[Link: www.ford.utexas.edu...]

I can’t hear your message, it’s drowned out by other messages.

THAT’S
THE
WAY,
R

204 Smilin' Jack  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:28:14pm

Ah knowed it! Ah knowed it! Thet ding dang wurthless iggle done et the possum! Prolly while the pore l'il critter wuz playin' possum. Whar's ma shootin' iron!? Thet iggle is gonna meet his Maker!

Now what am ah gonna do with all these possum stew fixins....?

205 Palandine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:28:31pm

re: #116 thepresenceusmc

Nope, not hurting. I was ready for it and just kept fighting.

I don't know how people will vote for McCain or Nobama. They're so stale and yesteryear. Obama's exciting until you read his policies. McCain's flip-flops are epic and his temper is legendary. (Try that for subliminal marketing.)

No thanks.

Good luck with your ideological purity.

I voted for Harry Browne* in 2000. Didn't like Bush, thought Gore was a hypocritical dope. Thankfully, Bush won Missouri without me. I had heap big buyer's remorse for that vote on September 11, 2001, when I imagined how Gore would have handled the situation. That was the last stand of my idealism.

So, feel free to vote for a guy who'll get 1% of the vote if he has an awesome day. I hope you don't have reason to regret your ideological purity later, as I did when reality intruded.

*At least he was a real Libertarian. Barr's an embittered Republican.

206 beavereater  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:28:35pm

That's a great seal! It fits right in with the Democrat talking points when their shitting and squawking like a "seagull" in heat.

207 jaunte  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:28:58pm

Every vote for Bob Barr is in effect a vote for Obama.

208 bellamags  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:29:04pm

re: #199 thepresenceusmc

I bet if it was obamas idea, it would be printed as an addendum to Revelations.

209 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:29:32pm

re: #161 thepresenceusmc

I'm speaking figuratively. I do enjoy his speaking ability. He's probably the best rhetorician since Reagan. Sadly, he's a full-fledged leftist wingnut. Where are our "great communicators?"

Florida 2000 529 votes.

Washington 2004 Governors race, 129 votes on the third recount.

I pity you sitting in the state that give the election to Obama by a handful of votes.

A lot of us are less than thrilled with McCain.

Fine use your vote to protest. But in 3 years when gas is $15 bucks a gallon, interest rates on mortgages are 22%, unemployment is 12%.

DO NOT SAY A SINGLE WORD!

210 StinkHammer  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:29:55pm

re: #120 6pat6

People are still getting mesmerized by this hack, and I just don't understand how voters can be so fooled by his greasy used-car salesman/ambulance-chasing lawyer schtick!

It's no exaggeration to say that hardcore Obamatons actually believe in his saviour-like abilities.

True anecdote: my girlfriend recently told me that she was talking to her father (a BDS-afflicted Obamaton of First Degree) and happened to mention that things were a bit tight monetarily since gas prices were climbing and effecting foodstuff prices and whatnot.

His reply? "Well, just hang in there for a while -- if Obama gets elected, he'll straighten things out pretty quick."

He truly believes that an Obama presidency will amount to spreading magical Social Justice dust all over the legislative process which will undo all the supposed horrors of the Bush administration (clouds will recede, birds will sing again, perpetual rainbows everywhere).

He's that deluded.

211 yochanan  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:30:04pm

re: #199 thepresenceusmc


IF BARR GIVES US OBAMA I FOR ONE WILL NOT FORGET IT

212 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:30:19pm

re: #153 thepresenceusmc

It's a Paulian. Don't address It, and maybe It will go elsewhere and find some poll to skew.

213 Thanos  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:30:24pm

If you zoom way in on the eagle's head it has teeth and looks rabid.

214 galloping granny  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:30:40pm

re: #167 Summer

Oh I agree, and it's definitely his "vision" of....something. I was just commenting on the quality of the graphic. It is very nicely done. The soft white on blue etc...very nice quality job.

But for choosing that, he is a Pretender. He is a Pretender to the throne, and I won't have it.

And I'm not being facetious. It is absolutely intolerable that he does this.

I agree. And illegal. The seal he threw under the bus could perhaps marginally be claimed otherwise - not so this.

215 valdez  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:31:00pm

hey, that's kind of cool. If he gets elected its gonna be a really cool new surreal type of fascism...

216 Racer X  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:31:25pm

re: #199 thepresenceusmc

I can accept a conversion, but not a soulless political gigolo like McCain. He'll say what he needs to to get elected.


I completely disagree with you on that one. A politician he is; a political whore he is not.

217 2by2  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:32:02pm

re: #31 Alouette

The eagle looks like a penis with wings.

you're right, once you see it there's no other way to look at it, you keep wondering what the eagles head is doing in this nice Shvanz picture.

218 LeePro  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:32:26pm

re: #146 galloping granny

Note the 13 stars, the olive leaves and the motto. This is not the logo of Obama's campaign, this is his new and "improved" version of the Official Seal of the President of the United States. Do not fail to notice the glaring omission - no arrows.

Look more closely... I see 15 stars - 6 left, 6 right, and 3 top.

57 states, 15 colonies... ?

219 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:32:28pm

re: #203 Render

Righteous rant!
Thank you from a gold star family!

220 bellamags  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:32:56pm

re: #210 StinkHammer

I HEARD THE SAME THING. Test driving a car I was trying to decide between a 4 or 6 cylinder. The salesman said "its not going to matter once obama is elected, gas prices will go down and everyone will be happy". I about wrecked.

221 Silhouette  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:33:13pm

re: #195 bellamags

really, that kind of stuff bothers me. The media and the current culture are totally neutering our men.
They make them look stupid or out of touch, harsh, closed minded, you name it.

Watch commercials. Count how many times the woman and the man disagree and the MAN is right. Never. Men are always buffoons, saved by the long-suffering woman.

And every person who makes these commercials thinks they are fighting a stereotype against women, no doubt.

A friend mentioned to me about 5 years ago that in children's books, the doctor/vet is always a woman, and the nurse always a man. So far, I haven't found a book written in the last 20 years that disproves her.

222 The Shadow Do  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:33:38pm

re: #207 jaunte

Every vote for Bob Barr is in effect a vote for Obama.

There is about a 100 to one chance this person votes at all, ever. A maturbator, that's all.

223 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:33:42pm
224 Maleficia  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:33:57pm

re: #199 thepresenceusmc

I'll end on this note: How do you guys like the $300 million for car batteries that McCain threw out to the greens yesterday? Goodnight!

They are all turning into clowns in a parade passing out candy to see the little smile on our faces. BHO and his pointless rebate, McCain and his prizes. I will be voting against BHO, but it is too bad it will be for McGreen. On the ever so slight upside, if BHO get's it, I won't have him as a senator anymore.

225 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:34:03pm

re: #199 thepresenceusmc

Flip-flopping is McCain (1999-2002) getting together with McCain (2006-Today) trying to hide McCain (2003-2005).

Barr converted to the better angels of his nature, the Libertarians. I can accept a conversion, but not a soulless political gigolo like McCain. He'll say what he needs to to get elected.

I'll end on this note: How do you guys like the $300 million for car batteries that McCain threw out to the greens yesterday? Goodnight!

Go for it tool.

But like I said, don't say a fucking word of complaint during the BHO administration.

226 unclassifiable  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:34:15pm

Is Generation Oboma like the Young Pioneers?

227 Thanos  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:34:19pm

re: #213 Thanos

If you zoom way in on the eagle's head it has teeth and looks rabid.

Wait a minute.... that's not an eagle, That's RODAN!

228 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:35:22pm

re: #146 galloping granny

Note the 13 stars, the olive leaves and the motto. This is not the logo of Obama's campaign, this is his new and "improved" version of the Official Seal of the President of the United States. Do not fail to notice the glaring omission - no arrows.

There is a spear—but I'm afraid we only get the shaft...

229 LSD  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:35:59pm

re: #199 thepresenceusmc
RON PAUL!

230 Dolphin  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:36:11pm

OT - What program can I use to post a picture so that you all can see it?

231 VegasRick  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:36:29pm

re: #229 LSD

RON PAUL!

I think it ran away.

232 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:36:31pm

re: #230 Dolphin

OT - What program can I use to post a picture so that you all can see it?

photobucket

233 thepresenceusmc  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:36:51pm

re: #209 jcm

JCM, I respect your position. Palandine, you, too. The thing is...

Gas is $4 and headed to $5.
Inflation is making it impossible to keep afloat.
I'm tired of Iraq and the phony War on Terror.
I'm tired of an open border and expiring tax cuts.
I'm tired of new entitlements and the nanny state.

I was there in 1994, helping "conservatives" get elected, and look where that got me. I wasted a decade with the GOP, and all I got was this lousy t-shirt. Time to move on...now, I'm in the LP. Yeah, I may lose, but at least they'll pick a message I like and be loyal to it.

234 psyop  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:37:07pm

re: #207 jaunte

Every vote for Bob Barr is in effect a vote for Obama.

That is absolutely, positively, 100% true.

If you think you hate McCain, Obama would be worse.

If you think that "showing up" McCain by not voting for him and allowing Obama to be elected would actually be a GOOD result, you are a complete idiot.

235 2by2  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:37:07pm

re: #155 Typicalwhitey

Each group has their own OBAMA SEAL!

I can't believe this!

I like the GO (Generation Obama) one, didn't know that there's a whole generation of retards. None for the Jooos, tough, is that good or bad for us?

236 joan  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:37:11pm

The Reverse Seal, if the Presidential Seal was 3D, this would be the "dorsal" "anterior" view. And, the Obama White O orb is like an egg, isn't it. We are out-gunned in artistry, sophistry, charisma, star power. Platform: Bread and Circuses.

237 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:37:25pm

re: #223 buzzsawmonkey

The people who think that the President has Awesome Powers to, say, decree the price of gasoline terrify and bewilder me.

It is clear that students in high school are no longer taught how the government functions.

It is a belief in magic, or worse, a form of idolatry.

Either way, they work from the belief that purely on the basis of his personal charisma he can cure all ills. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that he cures sick children with his touch.

The worship of politicians is a sin against the Republic, not to mention God.

238 StinkHammer  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:37:29pm

re: #220 bellamags

The salesman said "its not going to matter once obama is elected, gas prices will go down and everyone will be happy". I about wrecked.

I learned quite some time ago that it does no good to attempt engaing such individuals in any semblence of reasoned conversation at such moments. For example, were I to feel the absolute need to respond to such nonsense, I would offer up something along the lines of, "Really? How does he plan to take care of it?"

But then, experience has taught me that the type of ridiculous non-answer, flatulent horseshit that would engender would simply enrage me further. So anymore I simply let such things pass.

239 The Shadow Do  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:37:58pm

re: #233 thepresenceusmc

Ron Paul!

240 psyop  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:38:37pm

re: #209 jcm

I was in Iraq when the '04 WA gov race happened. I didn't get my ballot until it was too late.

Ask me if I am bitter.

241 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:38:39pm
242 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:38:56pm

re: #233 thepresenceusmc


..I'm tired of Iraq and the phony War on Terror...

Okay Paul. Cya.

243 Yankee Division Son  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:39:06pm

re: #233 thepresenceusmc

JCM, I respect your position. Palandine, you, too. The thing is...

Gas is $4 and headed to $5.
Inflation is making it impossible to keep afloat.
I'm tired of Iraq and the phony War on Terror.
I'm tired of an open border and expiring tax cuts.
I'm tired of new entitlements and the nanny state.

I was there in 1994, helping "conservatives" get elected, and look where that got me. I wasted a decade with the GOP, and all I got was this lousy t-shirt. Time to move on...now, I'm in the LP. Yeah, I may lose, but at least they'll pick a message I like and be loyal to it.

Bill won because of Ross Perot. (yes, a third candidate threw the election)

244 The Other Les  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:39:16pm

A question that a certain Presidential Candidate doesn't want Mr. Welch (yes, that one) to ask:

When did Obama flunk economics 101?

It's real simple. Any expense forced on companies by the government gets passed on by increased prices. So if he doubles the tax on oil companies, gas prices go up. If he raises the minimum wage, all prices go up. But that's what he wants to do. Of course, my wages don't go up.

245 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:39:16pm

re: #236 joan

The Reverse Seal, if the Presidential Seal was 3D, this would be the "dorsal" "anterior" view. And, the Obama White O orb is like an egg, isn't it. We are out-gunned in artistry, sophistry, charisma, star power. Platform: Bread and Circuses.

The Bolshevik platform in 1917 was "peace and bread" -- end the war and make unilateral peace with the Kaiser's Germany and seize the property or starve anyone who didn't agree with them.

Pretty much the same plan for Vladimir Illyich Obama.

246 Dolphin  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:39:28pm

re: #232 Typicalwhitey

Ok, that's where I have it - now, how do I link to it. The only option I am seeing is e-mail or phone.

[Link: s302.photobucket.com...]

Does this work?

247 bellamags  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:39:32pm

re: #238 StinkHammer

I just floored the gas pedal. It was an 08 Altima coupe 3.5. He had to grab onto the "oh shit" handle.

/snicker.

248 opnion  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:39:38pm

Obama is truly somebody who is impossible to underestimate.
The counter culture forces, as well as hard core racists and Islamists that have rallied to him & the fawning MSM , have made this guy viable.

249 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:39:53pm
250 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:40:51pm

re: #246 Dolphin

Ok, that's where I have it - now, how do I link to it. The only option I am seeing is e-mail or phone.

[Link: s302.photobucket.com...]

Does this work?

Is that a picture of you?

251 Silhouette  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:41:00pm

re: #233 thepresenceusmc

I'm tired of Iraq and the phony War on Terror.

You have been mislead.


The threat is real.

252 Proud to be American  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:41:27pm

re: #227 Thanos

"From Hell It Comes"....can't get much more appropriate than that, can ya?

lmao

253 USBeast  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:41:39pm

It looks like a stylized eagle laying an egg.

254 Dolphin  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:42:06pm

re: #250 Typicalwhitey

No, it is a screen capture of some joker on the Celebrity Family Feud that was on NBC earlier. Look closely at his shirt. What is it?

255 Uncle Joe  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:42:27pm

Interesting that they reverted back to "e pluribus unum" over the "si, se puede" (in Latin) of the original seal.

256 GeeWiz  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:42:29pm

When you are an empty suit, you reach for anything that may provide you credence of your ability to be POTUS. DUH!

257 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:42:35pm

re: #233 thepresenceusmc

JCM, I respect your position. Palandine, you, too. The thing is...

Gas is $4 and headed to $5.
Inflation is making it impossible to keep afloat.
I'm tired of Iraq and the phony War on Terror.
I'm tired of an open border and expiring tax cuts.
I'm tired of new entitlements and the nanny state.

I was there in 1994, helping "conservatives" get elected, and look where that got me. I wasted a decade with the GOP, and all I got was this lousy t-shirt. Time to move on...now, I'm in the LP. Yeah, I may lose, but at least they'll pick a message I like and be loyal to it.

That's just the point. With McCain we can patch and keep afloat, till we can get a conservative.

With BHO, were blowing a bigger hole in the boat.

As a attractive as it may be we have a two party system, operate outside the system you vote and voice is lost.

It is what it is, major reform is a long term task. Right now in front of us is the fact that the next President will deal with a nuclear Tehran.

You don't get the whine, and go home, this ain't grade school. It the real world with lives on the line.

Who's it gonna' be.
Barr=Obama
or
McCain.

You don't get another option. Tough shit. Life ain't fair. Make a choice, make a good one. Cause we don't have any other options.

258 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:42:47pm
259 Silhouette  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:43:34pm

re: #254 Dolphin

No, it is a screen capture of some joker on the Celebrity Family Feud that was on NBC earlier. Look closely at his shirt. What is it?

It is an Islamic crescent and star, and a nice peaceful, internal sword.

260 bellamags  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:43:42pm

re: #254 Dolphin

What exactly is that?

261 Silhouette  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:44:18pm

Click on the teeny picture on Dolphin's link to make it bigger.

262 Kenneth  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:44:26pm

Yet more evidence of the central fact of the Obama campaign: narcissism.

263 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:44:34pm

re: #241 buzzsawmonkey

The Libertarians, like any party that attempts to fit human beings onto the Procrustean Bed of a free-standing philosophy, are idiots. Human beings to not mold themselves to fit party philosophy.

The genius of being conservative (adjectival form, not noun form), as the best of the Republicans are, is that it does not mandate that people conform to some manifesto, but merely that they view New! Improved! with caution.

New! Improved!: Now made with lead-based paint by child labor in China?

264 jaunte  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:44:35pm

Even Libertarians are affected by Supreme Court decisions.

265 Suzette  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:44:53pm

re: #203 Render

Render excellent post.....but I also think this has cut and run.
/Bailed out ......

266 psyop  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:45:04pm

re: #233 thepresenceusmc

JCM, I respect your position. Palandine, you, too. The thing is...

Gas is $4 and headed to $5.
Inflation is making it impossible to keep afloat.
I'm tired of Iraq and the phony War on Terror.
.

Gas is that expensive because of regulation by U.S. democrats. The only thing that has kept us alive without drilling and exploiting our own resources is the awesome trade relations we have with other countries.

As to the "phony war on terror", you are obviously completely ill-informed. I don't know if you think that there are no terrorists with a desire to hurt the U.S. and kill Americans, or you think that Iraq has nothing to do with the war on terror, but in either case you would be so completely wrong as to be laughable.

267 bellamags  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:45:22pm

re: #264 jaunte

ooooooooooooooo. good one.

268 Dolphin  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:45:23pm

re: #259 Silhouette

I know! How disgusting. Was just wondering if it had any specific group associated with it.

269 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:45:45pm

re: #240 psyop

I was in Iraq when the '04 WA gov race happened. I didn't get my ballot until it was too late.

Ask me if I am bitter.

Good 'ole KC elections, didn't send out ballots until the last minute, knowing full well the military vote couldn't get back in time.

270 Thanos  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:46:05pm

re: #255 Uncle Joe

Interesting that they reverted back to "e pluribus unum" over the "si, se puede" (in Latin) of the original seal.

I'm thinking that this subliminal waterprint image preceded the seal birth and subsequent clubbing.

271 Silhouette  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:46:16pm

re: #268 Dolphin

What celebrity is this? I do not know him.

272 StinkHammer  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:46:39pm

re: #248 opnion

Obama is truly somebody who is impossible to underestimate.
The counter culture forces, as well as hard core racists and Islamists that have rallied to him & the fawning MSM , have made this guy viable.

Well, that and the fact that the political winds just seem to be blowing leftward for this election cycle.

Electoral politics are reactionary, and since the voting populace seems to garner the perception (manifested in low approval ratings) that George W. Bush's presidency has been a "failed" one (regardless of any objective truth or falseness to that perception), things simply look positive for the competing Party's candidate.

Which utterly blows, I know -- but that's how I'm sensing this election turning out. (Dammit.)

273 thepresenceusmc  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:46:57pm

re: #251 Silhouette

I know the threat is real. That's why I can't figure out why we're leaving the border open. It doesn't follow. McCain wants amnesty and open borders (or fences, depending on the day). I don't want this to turn into the war on drugs (twenty years of failure), the war on abortion (thirty years of failure), and all the other GOP projects that never succeed. Whatever happened to the Contract with America? They're using us by controlling our fears.

At least Chuck Baldwin and Bob Barr are consistent: protect America, seal the border. No waffling.

274 yochanan  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:47:23pm

re: #223 buzzsawmonkey

OBAMA has said he wants gas to go up just not so fast. his whole program is to make it go up so people have to go green.

275 opnion  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:47:31pm

Ya know after the election I think that Lizards will have on of two reactions.
Obama wins. Damn!
McCain wins. Fantastic! Three days later, this guy wants comprehensive immigration reform. Damn!
McCain is what we have,but damn!

276 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:47:42pm
277 CoCo  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:47:53pm

re: #268 Dolphin

I know! How disgusting. Was just wondering if it had any specific group associated with it.

According to my tivo guide, that is either someone in Ice T's family or Raven-Symoné's family...the former was to play against Joan River's family and the latter against Wayne Newton...do you know which it was?

278 Dolphin  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:48:55pm

re: #271 Silhouette

They said it was the "family" of Ice-T. Don't know either. It was on in the background and I happened to see it and get it captured. Usually I am not that good! LOL.

I have another picture, but it is not as clear.

279 Racer X  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:49:07pm

re: #266 psyop

Gas is that expensive because of regulation by U.S. democrats. The only thing that has kept us alive without drilling and exploiting our own resources is the awesome trade relations we have with other countries.

Imagine how much oil would cost if we weren't stealing tankers full of it from Iraq every day.

/

280 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:49:08pm

re: #276 taxfreekiller

Of some note:

Obama was a community organizer in Chicago's south side.

You will note that the south side of Chicago sure as hell is not organized.

something like that

organized enough to get the dead and nearly dead out to pull the (D) lever every time.

281 bellamags  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:49:10pm

re: #272 StinkHammer

Did you happen to see the poll that was on AOL the other day. It was a mock presidential poll. Over 65,000 votes and it was 69% McCain and 31% Obama. I can't find it anywhere now, but I hope that was a better cross section than the phone polls. I personally haven't ever been called by a pollster.

282 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:49:11pm

re: #276 taxfreekiller

Of some note:

Obama was a community organizer in Chicago's south side.

You will note that the south side of Chicago sure as hell is not organized.

something like that

I got mugged there once twice.

283 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:49:18pm

Of course, this seal was agreed upon after much brainstorming in The Ovoidal Office

284 thepresenceusmc  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:49:28pm

re: #258 buzzsawmonkey

No offense, but society's already going to hell. All one has in this day and age is an ideal. I see a deficit, a collapsing economy, and a nation grinding down to socialism. Let me assure you, the idealism is desperation and exasperation from fighting a losing war against collapse.

285 yochanan  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:49:36pm

re: #241 buzzsawmonkey

liberatrians are iolationist fools.

286 StinkHammer  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:49:57pm

re: #276 taxfreekiller

Obama was a community organizer in Chicago's south side.

Now THERE's a helluva resume item recommending the guy for the Presidency....

/Rookie

287 Llanite  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:50:03pm

And now, for some broken Obama seal haiku:

Obama flip flop
Seal controversy: subliminal romp
Eagle takes a dump

288 The Other Les  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:50:12pm

re: #280 Lucius Septimius

organized enough to get the dead and nearly dead out to pull the (D) lever every time.

I once said that I'll die before I vote for a Democrat...

289 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:50:48pm

re: #288 The Other Les

I once said that I'll die before I vote for a Democrat...

And you'd be right on two counts, so long as you live in Cook County.

290 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:50:49pm

re: #284 thepresenceusmc

No offense, but society's already going to hell. All one has in this day and age is an ideal. I see a deficit, a collapsing economy, and a nation grinding down to socialism. Let me assure you, the idealism is desperation and exasperation from fighting a losing war against collapse.

Have you considered suicide?

291 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:51:17pm
292 Render  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:51:21pm

re: #233 thepresenceusmc

Have you already decided which two Marine Expeditionary Brigades you're willing to condemn to attempt a Dunkirk-Wonsan-Saigon style evacuation operation from Basra, Iraq 16 months after Obama is elected?

Will you explain to the survivors of that operation why the victory they fought five years to achieve was cast away in just 16 months?

SEMPER
FI?,
R

293 Silhouette  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:51:39pm

re: #269 jcm

Good 'ole KC elections, didn't send out ballots until the last minute, knowing full well the military vote couldn't get back in time.

That's what it looks like when people are truly disenfranchised.

Gore sent lawyers to FL with specific instructions to find every way to disqualify absentee (military) votes. They defended the order by pointing out they insisted on every LEGAL way. As if the GOP would have been given a pass if they had instructions to find every legal way to disqualify votes from any group or area that votes majority dem.

294 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:51:40pm

re: #290 Occasional Reader

Have you considered suicide?

Cleaning keyboard now......

295 bellamags  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:51:52pm

re: #290 Occasional Reader

This guy has to be a moonbat. Only libs are this depressed.

296 Thanos  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:52:23pm

Hrmmm.

The USN seal is an eagle carrying a shield, but viewed from front. Is this USPS rip or what? I"m looking

297 Palandine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:52:42pm

re: #233 thepresenceusmc

You can only act according to your conscience. However, speaking as someone who has voted Libertarian, I do hope you realize that by giving your vote to someone you know has no chance of winning, indeed, no chance of even breaking 10%, you're really just opting out and being lazy. As the philosopher Geddy Lee once said "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."

Gas is $4 and headed to $5.


And unless we can drill in the US, it'll go higher than that. So, given that Barr cannot win and Obama will tax the oil companies until they leave the US, while McCain has at least changed his mind on this, who's the best choice?

Inflation is making it impossible to keep afloat.


If you're truly a Libertarian, it wouldn't matter to you because you wouldn't believe in the government fiddling with the free market. Barr cannot win, and Obama's never managed a more complex economy than his own checkbook. By the way, I take a very Dave Ramsey approach on that--YOU affect YOUR individual economy. If you can't stay afloat, you better deliver piazzs or mow grass untilyou learn to swim.

I'm tired of Iraq and the phony War on Terror.


You may be tired of it, but it's not tired of you. Barr cannot win, Obama will surrender, McCain's a war hero.

I'm tired of an open border and expiring tax cuts.


Well, with President Obama and a democrat congress, the tax cuts will expire and the borders will remain wide open. McCain's terrible on this--what's astounding is how much worse Obama is.

I'm tired of new entitlements and the nanny state.

Better drink some caffeine, then. When you give a vote to Obama by throwing yours away, the entitlements and curbs on personal freedom will come hot and heavy.

298 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:52:46pm

re: #270 Thanos

I'm thinking that this subliminal waterprint image preceded the seal birth and subsequent clubbing.

YES it did.
This has been on the website for awhile.

I think he got atta boys from his echo chamber, hence the real seal he put out for one day.

299 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:52:50pm

re: #284 thepresenceusmc

No offense, but society's already going to hell. All one has in this day and age is an ideal. I see a deficit, a collapsing economy, and a nation grinding down to socialism. Let me assure you, the idealism is desperation and exasperation from fighting a losing war against collapse.

Let me guess....you are a Ron Paul supporter.

300 NoSubmission  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:52:51pm

I'm sure its been said already, but that page load eagle has been on his site for months. I'm not surprised it is still there even after the faux Presidential Seal fallout.

301 eaglewingz08  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:53:00pm

Is that bird a chicken hawk? Or just a turkey?

302 thepresenceusmc  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:53:08pm

re: #290 Occasional Reader

303 Shug  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:53:11pm
The Obama seal
Now you see it now you don't
Just like his father

OOOOAAH
-Dice Man

304 StinkHammer  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:53:13pm

re: #281 bellamags

Did you happen to see the poll that was on AOL the other day.... Over 65,000 votes and it was 69% McCain and 31% Obama..

I did not see it, but I hope it's an accurate predictor.

I personally haven't ever been called by a pollster.

Neither have I -- but then, Pauline Kael didn't know anyone who voted for Nixon in his landslide over McGovern....

305 VegasRick  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:53:17pm

re: #290 Occasional Reader

Have you considered commited suicide?

I think so.

306 neocon hippie  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:53:18pm

The polls aren't worth paying much attention to. It's way too early, and it's the electoral politics that matter. It's still two months away before the conventions. Gonna be a long summer and then a long fall. Anything could happen.

307 Racer X  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:53:21pm

re: #281 bellamags

Here is the AOL poll.

308 NoSubmission  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:53:38pm

E Pluribus Obama

309 Jed 1899  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:54:25pm

BO's eagle has dropped his arrows and olive branches and is flying the hell out.

310 CoCo  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:54:34pm

OT: For Your Listening Enjoyment

Back Door Slam - Come Home

Most Excellent....

311 psyop  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:54:56pm

re: #269 jcm

Good 'ole KC elections, didn't send out ballots until the last minute, knowing full well the military vote couldn't get back in time.

Out of our 15 person Detachment, at least 10 would have voted for Rossi, that I know of.

And that was just me, the entire brigade we were attached to was from Ft. Lewis. Do you think there were 200 votes that could have been made up from that group?

Hooray for the KC elections committee!

312 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:55:09pm

re: #293 Silhouette

That's what it looks like when people are truly disenfranchised.

Gore sent lawyers to FL with specific instructions to find every way to disqualify absentee (military) votes. They defended the order by pointing out they insisted on every LEGAL way. As if the GOP would have been given a pass if they had instructions to find every legal way to disqualify votes from any group or area that votes majority dem.

In King Co. WA the (R)s focus was following the rules, the law etc... While the opposition was running every dirty trick and the (D) controlled elections board assisted.

The (R)s where just left in the dust.

313 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:55:36pm

re: #294 jcm

Cleaning keyboard now......

I'm reminded of a scene from Woody Allen's Play It Again, Sam:

Allan Felix: That's quite a lovely Jackson Pollack, isn't it?
Girl in museum: Yes, it is.
Allan Felix: What does it say to you?
Girl in museum: It restates the negativeness of the universe. The hideous lonely emptiness of existence. Nothingness. The predicament of man forced to live in a barren, godless eternity like a tiny flame flickering in an immense void with nothing but waste, horror and degradation, forming a useless bleak straitjacket in a black absurd cosmos.
Allan Felix: What are you doing Saturday night?
Girl in museum: Committing suicide.
Allan Felix: What about Friday night?

314 clgood  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:56:13pm

Charles notes that this is odd from a web design standpoint. But, then again, these are the same people who left directory permissions open. I think we don't ascribe to malice what can be explained by incompetence.

Deciding which to fear most, Obama's malice or Obama's incompetence, is a difficult task.

315 The Other Les  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:56:19pm

re: #292 Render

Let's face it. What Obama is promising is to commit an act of Treason.

There's no other rational way to see it.

316 rawmuse  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:56:26pm

re: #233 thepresenceusmc

"phony War on Terror"

What part is phony? Which part would that be, exactly?

317 NoSubmission  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:56:45pm

re: #309 Jed 1899

BO's eagle has dropped his arrows and olive branches and is flying the hell out.


Surrender eagle.

318 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:56:48pm

re: #308 NoSubmission

E Pluribus Obama

Pro Magis McCain.

319 psyop  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:57:03pm

re: #279 Racer X

I hope that was sarcasm, or I could relate to you the real story on the Iraq oil fields, if you need it.

320 StinkHammer  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:57:09pm

re: #313 Occasional Reader

Allan Felix: What are you doing Saturday night?
Girl in museum: Committing suicide.
Allan Felix: What about Friday night?

Classic Woody Allen. Good stuff.

321 bellamags  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:57:15pm

re: #307 Racer X

thanks. I'll bookmark it.

322 VegasRick  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:57:23pm

re: #316 rawmuse

"phony War on Terror"

What part is phony? Which part would that be, exactly?

The part where our scumbag dems say that we are losing.

323 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:57:24pm

re: #311 psyop

Out of our 15 person Detachment, at least 10 would have voted for Rossi, that I know of.

And that was just me, the entire brigade we were attached to was from Ft. Lewis. Do you think there were 200 votes that could have been made up from that group?

Hooray for the KC elections committee!

I'm already seeing
Reelect Rossi bumper stickers.

324 Dolphin  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:58:04pm

Well, got to go finish dinner. I am recording via Tivo and will be able to get it to the computer eventually if anyone is interested in pursuing. Wish I could stick around and chat but stomach is growling.

Spaghetti. yum..

Later folks.

325 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:58:08pm

re: #297 Palandine

You may be tired of it, but it's not tired of you. Barr cannot win, Obama will surrender, McCain's a war hero.

Thank you.

326 markie  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:58:23pm

I sorta wish our tax-anything government would raise the fuel taxes for non-commercial use. Maybe then we could get the roads fixed.

327 Racer X  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:58:28pm

re: #319 psyop

I hope that was sarcasm, or I could relate to you the real story on the Iraq oil fields, if you need it.

YES. Sarcasm.

328 Luigi  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:58:33pm

9PM on Frontline in NY area, Channel 13:

Frontline/World (New) Documentary, Newsmagazine, Jesus in China China's underground churches; the Chinese ruling party races to control the wave of Christianity sweeping across China;

329 rawmuse  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:58:35pm

re: #322 VegasRick

Pretty damn small part.

330 Sharmuta  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:58:39pm

re: #233 thepresenceusmc

JCM, I respect your position. Palandine, you, too. The thing is...

Gas is $4 and headed to $5.
Inflation is making it impossible to keep afloat.
I'm tired of Iraq and the phony War on Terror.
I'm tired of an open border and expiring tax cuts.
I'm tired of new entitlements and the nanny state.

I was there in 1994, helping "conservatives" get elected, and look where that got me. I wasted a decade with the GOP, and all I got was this lousy t-shirt. Time to move on...now, I'm in the LP. Yeah, I may lose, but at least they'll pick a message I like and be loyal to it.

I see- so instead of fighting to take your party back- you cut and run. That's an easy out, plus it allows you the ability to continue complaining instead of putting in hard work of convincing your fellow travelers here's a problem, much less offering a solution.

"Phony War on Terror"? That "phony war" has kicked al-qaeda's ass- who is now relegated to caves and hiding instead of sweeping camps hosted by a nefarious regime. That "phoney war" has put an enemy who attacked us repeatedly in a position where they can't attack our interests anymore except at our troops who are busy hunting them down. This "phony war" has made our country safe, and you insult our troops in the theaters as well as their fallen brothers with your ignorant, cowardly rhetoric.

331 Neo Con since 9-11  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:58:39pm

re: #290 Occasional Reader

I rarely find suicide jokes funny, this is no exception.

332 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:58:43pm

re: #313 Occasional Reader

I'm reminded of a scene from Woody Allen's Play It Again, Sam:

Allan Felix: That's quite a lovely Jackson Pollack, isn't it?
Girl in museum: Yes, it is.
Allan Felix: What does it say to you?
Girl in museum: It restates the negativeness of the universe. The hideous lonely emptiness of existence. Nothingness. The predicament of man forced to live in a barren, godless eternity like a tiny flame flickering in an immense void with nothing but waste, horror and degradation, forming a useless bleak straitjacket in a black absurd cosmos.
Allan Felix: What are you doing Saturday night?
Girl in museum: Committing suicide.
Allan Felix: What about Friday night?

LOL!
Never much of a Woody Allen fan, that has a sick sense of humor to it.

333 Thanos  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:58:47pm

re: #319 psyop

I hope that was sarcasm, or I could relate to you the real story on the Iraq oil fields, if you need it.

It was sarcasm.

Standard sarcasm denotation here is a slash. There's a slash after his comment.

334 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:58:55pm

re: #85 thepresenceusmc

Well, I'm having a hard time distinguishing McCain from Obama these days, hence the crack about the bus. Who's for raising taxes, global warming, and such, after all?

I'm voting Barr, so these idiots are both fair game: McCain the dotard political prostitute and Nobama the Fascist. :)

Enjoy the socialist rule of the Obama. That's why we are going to be dealing with his shit for 4 or more years. I don't plan on spending my life hiding in my basement because I couldn't bite the bullet and go for the lesser of two evils.

335 The Other Les  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:59:07pm

re: #320 StinkHammer

Classic Woody Allen. Good stuff.

Where would we be without optimism?

336 VegasRick  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:59:33pm

re: #329 rawmuse

Pretty damn small part.

The only phoney part.

337 The Shadow Do  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 5:59:57pm

re: #273 thepresenceusmc

You really are easily influenced, no?

338 HoosierHoops  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:00:22pm

re: #251 Silhouette

You have been mislead.


The threat is real.


I'm tired of Iraq and the phony War on Terror.

How are you tired? exactly.. My 21 year old son just returned from Iraq as a member of the 3/5th marines, kilo co. 1st platoon.
How are you tired.. Our family lived on the edge for 7 months.. There were too many times the phone rang at 4am and everybody in the house ran top speed to answer it.
And there would be Jordan on some roof somewhere in Fallujah calling his family..just to say hello..i love you.
How are you tired?
This year will be the first year in 3 years that jordan will be home for christmas..
Then in Jan. the 3/5th goes on another deployment..Can't say where yet..
How are you tired?
The last weekend Jordan was at home he came up to me and kissed me on the forehead and said this..
Every morning i wake up i think about you and mom and my brothers and sisters.. I wake up because of you..to protect our family.
That's my boy...
/ the 3/5th marines arrived home last month with all hands..

339 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:01:00pm

re: #307 Racer X

Here is the AOL poll.

This shows that people who use computers are smart, but that's about it. I get polled by pollsters all the time, but I think it has to do with the population. Namely, there's not that many other people here to call.

It's fun to play mind games with the push-pollsters.

Still, I think there is something fundamentally flawed with phone polls, and this may be why it skews Democratic. Not everyone has a land line anymore. I have never been polled on my cell phone. And I hang around the house a lot.

340 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:01:44pm

Hmmm.. I think you've hit on something Charles about Obama.

He's sending subliminal messages, but not the ones you think. Consider:

A clunky website design.
Pseudo-seal.
Dimwitted response.
Backtracking, followed by a run under the bus.

I'd say he's telling us exactly how he's going to govern. A bloated operation that believes more in image than results and will cast aside anyone who gets in his way.

341 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:02:02pm

re: #330 Sharmuta

Tell It ! 100%.

342 Racer X  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:02:06pm

re: #338 HoosierHoops

Wow.

*stands and applauds*

343 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:02:08pm

re: #338 HoosierHoops

Wow.

Amazing post.

Amazing.

Thank you, thank your son, thank you thank you thank you.

344 Silhouette  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:02:21pm

Just because someone's name is on the ballot, doesn't mean they are one of your choices.

There are two choices. And only two choices.

Not voting, or voting third party aren't really other choices. They are just alternative ways of voting for Obama.

345 USBeast  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:02:27pm

Both McCain and Bush were fighter pilots. (Yeah, I know, Bush never saw combat...yada, yada.) My point is that stupid people are not put in the cockpit of that kind of very expensive machinery. They may not be Churchillian in their intellectual achievements, but they aren't stupid.

Obama is a Chicago party hack. He is glib (when he has a script). He may be charismatic (though I don't see it). He has made mistakes in his campaign that would have sunk any other candidate in past elections. He has been extremely lucky so far. He has not impressed me with his intellect.

My bet (hope/prayer) is that he will self-destruct.

346 StinkHammer  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:02:31pm

Here's a little levity from David Frum's blog at NRO: Commie Joke

After the Soviet invasion in 1968, a Czech calls the police on the phone and says, "Two Swiss soldiers just stole my Russian watch."

The policeman, puzzled, asks: "You mean two Russian soldiers just stole your Swiss watch?"

"You said it, not me," the Czech replies.

347 VegasRick  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:02:54pm

re: #338 HoosierHoops

I'm tired of Iraq and the phony War on Terror.

How are you tired? exactly.. My 21 year old son just returned from Iraq as a member of the 3/5th marines, kilo co. 1st platoon.
How are you tired.. Our family lived on the edge for 7 months.. There were too many times the phone rang at 4am and everybody in the house ran top speed to answer it.
And there would be Jordan on some roof somewhere in Fallujah calling his family..just to say hello..i love you.
How are you tired?
This year will be the first year in 3 years that jordan will be home for christmas..
Then in Jan. the 3/5th goes on another deployment..Can't say where yet..
How are you tired?
The last weekend Jordan was at home he came up to me and kissed me on the forehead and said this..
Every morning i wake up i think about you and mom and my brothers and sisters.. I wake up because of you..to protect our family.
That's my boy...
/ the 3/5th marines arrived home last month with all hands..

Tell your son that we are proud of him and his service. They are in our prayers nightly and they are doing a magnificent job. Screw this Ronpaulian asshole.

348 Sharmuta  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:03:00pm

re: #284 thepresenceusmc

No offense, but society's already going to hell. All one has in this day and age is an ideal. I see a deficit, a collapsing economy, and a nation grinding down to socialism. Let me assure you, the idealism is desperation and exasperation from fighting a losing war against collapse.

It's unfortunate there wasn't someone like you at the Continental Congress to inform the Founders of their folly of believing in ideals in the face of such an overwhelming task as defeating the greatest imperial force on Earth.

349 eaglewingz08  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:03:01pm

OT the Senate appears to have passed by 83 votes, which means with about thirty Republican Senators, Sen Dodd's Housing Bill which he calls the Obama Housing Act. Why are repubs supporting a bill reflecting Obama's philosophy rather than their party's nominee, McCain? Second this bill is a trojan horse for the most radical takeover of financial transactions ever enacted in US History and passed without a peep from the public or from talk radio. Hidden in the 600 page bill is the requirement that every financial transaction be reported to the government, whether credit card, paypal,internet, whatever. That the government will be given the power to approve or disapprove the way people use their credit cards and to determine whether or not such credit purchases are proper and appropriate by the government. There is no protection in the bill for privacy, as most small businesses use social security numbers for transactions, thus hundreds of millions of social security numbers will be unsecured, as will any transaction for drugs medicine, erotica, political expenditures, books, magazine, media purchases. Who will have this info besides the IRS, the bill does not limit its transmission.
The full impact of the bill may not come into effect until 2011, and at that time the public may wake up and vote these idiots out of Congress. However, it is curious that libs who are aghast at the government listening in on phone calls made in foreign countries between terrorists are silent about their government's listening into ALL OF THEIR FINANCIAL TRANSACTIONS.
Welcome the 1984.

350 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:03:09pm
351 Shug  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:04:02pm

re: #338 HoosierHoops

Tell Jordan Thanks from me for the freedom he provides for me and my family.

352 Palandine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:04:12pm

Current inflation rate: 4.18%

Inflation rates

Woo! Zimbabwe and Weimar Germany, here we come!

/Palandine feels a sudden distrubance in the Force, as if she's about to get a lecture about the evils of fiat currency and the need to return to the gold standard...

353 DistantThunder  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:04:30pm

Bush has kept us safe since 2001.
Bush gave us tax cuts.
Bush gave us great Supreme court justices.

I don't see how the war was phoney when real people with real weapons were trying to kill Americans, and succeeded time after time after time culminating in 911.

354 CoCo  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:04:50pm

re: #338 HoosierHoops

I'm tired of Iraq and the phony War on Terror.

How are you tired? exactly.. My 21 year old son just returned from Iraq as a member of the 3/5th marines, kilo co. 1st platoon.
How are you tired.. Our family lived on the edge for 7 months.. There were too many times the phone rang at 4am and everybody in the house ran top speed to answer it.
And there would be Jordan on some roof somewhere in Fallujah calling his family..just to say hello..i love you.
How are you tired?
This year will be the first year in 3 years that jordan will be home for christmas..
Then in Jan. the 3/5th goes on another deployment..Can't say where yet..
How are you tired?
The last weekend Jordan was at home he came up to me and kissed me on the forehead and said this..
Every morning i wake up i think about you and mom and my brothers and sisters.. I wake up because of you..to protect our family.
That's my boy...
/ the 3/5th marines arrived home last month with all hands..

Please tell Jordan that I thank him and that I will pray for him every day. I am not too tired to do that.

355 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:05:21pm

re: #338 HoosierHoops

I thank your son and your family. Terrific post.

356 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:05:36pm

re: #285 yochanan

liberatrians are iolationist fools.

" But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be liable to the hell of fire . " Matthew 5:22

....I'm just letting you know...........

357 psyop  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:06:18pm

re: #323 jcm

LOL!

Don't blame me! I voted for Rossi.

He would have kept the Sonics....

358 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:06:21pm

re: #348 Sharmuta

It's unfortunate there wasn't someone like you at the Continental Congress to inform the Founders of their folly of believing in ideals in the face of such an overwhelming task as defeating the greatest imperial force on Earth.

Well, there were, but the Founders were willing to risk their lives that such people were wrong.

359 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:06:37pm

re: #302 thepresenceusmc

Your nic indicates USMC service.

That is appreciated by me, and all here.

What did you learn in the USMC?

When things have gone to shit, you're laying have submerged in a stinking ditch, surrounded and low on ammo.

Give up?
or go the Chesty Puller route,
We're surrounded, well that simplifies things!

Fight's on Marine, get your shit together.

360 tokyobk  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:06:44pm

This was the 'watermark' I was refering to yesterday and in the first post about the seal. When they came out with the one time only excuse it rang hollow precisely because of this. I think another poster mentioned it was the eagle running away.

361 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:06:50pm

re: #352 Palandine

Current inflation rate: 4.18%

Inflation rates

Woo! Zimbabwe and Weimar Germany, here we come!

/Palandine feels a sudden distrubance in the Force, as if she's about to get a lecture about the evils of fiat currency and the need to return to the gold standard...

To hell with gold. Cattle.

362 2by2  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:07:20pm

I might be paranoid, but growing up in post war Germany as a Jew, I have some hyper sensitivities towards the whole iconography of the Obama campaign.
Aside the fact that he does not have any real positions and the fact that he disassociates with everyone who could harm his chance to win the election, the imagery the campaign produces gives me the creeps.
The sunrise logo, the low angle shots against the sky, the subtle image of the seal on his site, the logos for all different groups, ethnicities are all hinting at something more sinister. It smells like the subtle rise of a dictator to me.

363 FrogMarch  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:07:24pm

Obama: The post post 9/11 candidate.

well researched article.
Hat tip: Mike Rosen.

364 psyop  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:07:25pm

re: #327 Racer X

Excellent.
No harm, no foul.

365 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:07:38pm

re: #357 psyop

LOL!

Don't blame me! I voted for Rossi.

He would have kept the Sonics....

Maybe we can give 'em the Mariners instead!
/ ;-P

366 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:07:50pm

re: #361 Lucius Septimius

To hell with gold. Cattle.

Canned food and ammunition!

367 Thanos  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:08:18pm

I quit being a libertarian when they went to the non-aggression pledge pact. That was sheer stupidity.

When has defense only ever worked? How'd the maginot line help France?

Back on topic, the Illinois state seal is an Eagle carrying a shield, but the other direction...

368 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:08:31pm

re: #362 2by2

It smells like the subtle rise of a dictator to me.

Not all that subtle to my nostrils.

369 EC Marm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:08:45pm

re: #290 Occasional Reader

Have you considered suicide?


Not funny. A dead voter would translate to TWO votes for Obama.

/ Considering it's almost certainly a troll, you made me laugh.

370 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:08:52pm

So am I the only one who sees a WTC tower under that bird?

371 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:08:55pm

LIZARDS, IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY DONE SO, GO UPDING "HOOSIER HOOPS" #338.

372 Sharmuta  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:09:07pm

re: #358 angst

Well, there were, but the Founders were willing to risk their lives that such people were wrong.

Yes- and their names are relegated to the dust bin of history's cowards.

373 Neo Con since 9-11  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:09:29pm

re: #363 FrogMarch

My computer Vista/ff3 has that listed as an "Attack Site"

374 Palandine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:09:40pm

re: #356 IslandLibertarian

" But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be liable to the hell of fire . " Matthew 5:22

....I'm just letting you know...........

Heh. I can see a guy in Hell having a conversation with another guy:

"What are you in for?"
"I was the BTK killer. You?"
"Called a guy a fool."

Reminds me of a bit George Carlin (RIP) did about eating meat during Lent. Something along the lines of "How would you like to be the guy in Hell for having a cheeseburger on March 6, 1963?" Funnier, of course. ;)

375 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:09:49pm

re: #144 Silhouette

Without knowing what he stood for, what were you excited about, his haircut?

Don't laugh. We had a dumbass in MT that got elected because his buzzcut made him look conservative. Plus his east coast backers paid for slanderous attacks on his opponent.

376 Alouette  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:10:04pm

re: #370 funky chicken

So am I the only one who sees a WTC tower under that bird?

I also see the Ron Paul blimp lurking behind the shield.

377 VegasRick  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:10:27pm

re: #371 Occasional Reader

LIZARDS, IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY DONE SO, GO UPDING "HOOSIER HOOPS" #338.

Done. You are right, thanks for the reminder (I always forget about the dingy thingy).

378 Kathleen  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:11:36pm

"Are they really going for a subliminal effect?"

Of course they are. What troubles me, though, is this: Does Obama believe he's being clever and can gather more votes this way, or are voters actually stupid enough to be so easily manipulated?

On second thought, I withdraw the question. After all, we're talking about liberals here.

379 1SG(ret)  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:11:37pm

Anyone that calls any war phony, sure has never had to fight one.
Two words for you "thepresenceusmc", FUCK YOU!

HoosierHoops, Tell your son thanks, from an Old Soldier!

Top

380 Shug  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:11:41pm

re: #371 Occasional Reader

already cracked the top 10, where it belongs

381 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:12:08pm

re: #338 HoosierHoops

I'm tired of Iraq and the phony War on Terror.

How are you tired? exactly.. My 21 year old son just returned from Iraq as a member of the 3/5th marines, kilo co. 1st platoon.
How are you tired.. Our family lived on the edge for 7 months.. There were too many times the phone rang at 4am and everybody in the house ran top speed to answer it.
And there would be Jordan on some roof somewhere in Fallujah calling his family..just to say hello..i love you.
How are you tired?
This year will be the first year in 3 years that jordan will be home for christmas..
Then in Jan. the 3/5th goes on another deployment..Can't say where yet..
How are you tired?
The last weekend Jordan was at home he came up to me and kissed me on the forehead and said this..
Every morning i wake up i think about you and mom and my brothers and sisters.. I wake up because of you..to protect our family.
That's my boy...
/ the 3/5th marines arrived home last month with all hands..

God bless you and your family.

We cannot let you down.

382 NoSubmission  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:12:23pm

Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., talks during a town hall style meeting at the Springs Preserve, a cultural and historic attraction, in Las Vegas, Nevada Tuesday, June 24, 2008.

383 Silhouette  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:13:01pm

The only thing I don't like about #338 is it looks like, to the casual observor, that I am the one in need of a lecture. ;-)

Bravo, HHoops. Tell Jordan that we are all most grateful, proud, and prayful.

384 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:13:03pm

re: #372 Sharmuta

Yes- and their names are relegated to the dust bin of history's cowards.

Lucky for us. Hopefully, there are still folks around that realize some things aren't negotiable- though sometimes it seems like there are fewer every day.

385 Thanos  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:13:05pm

Presence, you sound just like Justin Raimondo, why don't you go hang with your buds at the hit n' run blog? That's who you are siding with.

386 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:13:09pm

re: #363 FrogMarch

Has Rosen talked about oil shale yet? I emailed him about it, but can't catch his show where I live now. Wayne Allard and Orrin Hatch are really fighting to get that oil shale moratorium (democrat passed, of course) struck down. The oil shale issue could be huge in the CO and NM races for the US senate this year.

387 rawmuse  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:13:33pm

Well, I got a nephew deployed. The War on Terror is sure as hell not phony to him. It ain't phony to me. I'm ready to join now if they'd have me. What good are my dreams in a world that is not peaceful? People that call the war phony best avoid me.

388 Thanos  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:14:02pm

Hoosier Hoops, Thank you and please pass our thanks to your son and his brothers in arms.

389 psyop  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:14:07pm

re: #333 Thanos

Ah.

As far as I knew, a slash denoted the end of any line of code. It was then bastardized to compliment english based comment as in /sarc or /rant or /night

If I see a slash (end line) with nothing following, I just think that someone forget to put what is was they were ending.

390 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:14:18pm

re: #374 Palandine

Do I really believe in "Hellfire Damnation"?
Absolutely NOT!
It was meant in fun, even though I don't care to be called a fool.

And, Oh yeah, NObama!

391 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:14:25pm

re: #375 Mars Needs Neocons

Don't laugh. We had a dumbass in MT that got elected because his buzzcut made him look conservative. Plus his east coast backers paid for slanderous attacks on his opponent.

Oooh! Jon Tester! He wasn't even conservative enough to be named John!

392 Render  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:14:43pm

[Link: thepresenceusa.typepad.com...]

Doesn't appear to have been updated in quite a while.

And since "thepresenceusmc" doesn't appear to have the courage to respond to either of my comments on the matter...

LATER,
R

393 FrogMarch  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:15:08pm

re: #373 Neo Con since 9-11

My computer Vista/ff3 has that listed as an "Attack Site"

vista! eeek..... - It's the American Spectator. Hardly an attack site. However - frightened intolerant mind-crime leftists mind find it offensive.

394 J.S.  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:15:18pm

With regard to the "subliminal content" -- well, I would not be surprised (in the least) if they are attempting to influence potential voters. There was an editorial the other day in the National Post about "Fast Eddie". The thesis of the article was that Obama was not at all "naive". (I actually don't recall any conservatives making the case that the ObamaMessiah was "naive.") Anyway, "Fast Eddie" is a hustler and apt to do virtually anything so as to attain power (including, as conservatives all over have noted, throwing his grandma under the bus). The question becomes who won't Obama discard due to political expediency? What does Obama stand for, other than the naked striving for the attainment of power? (i probably shouldn't continue here -- Obama reminds me too much of a certain kind of person -- and if anyone's had the misfortune of having close, personal dealings with such personality types -- all I can do is give them my condolences...and offer the warning to beware of these types and stay as far away from them as you can...) oh, and never, ever trust them...they are extremely beguiling, clever, charming and convincing (also extremely superficial, glib) -- but their "niceness" is all a sham...all a fraud...

395 psyop  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:15:22pm

re: #338 HoosierHoops

Thank you for your families service.

396 Thanos  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:15:29pm

re: #389 psyop

Ah.

As far as I knew, a slash denoted the end of any line of code. It was then bastardized to compliment english based comment as in /sarc or /rant or /night

If I see a slash (end line) with nothing following, I just think that someone forget to put what is was they were ending.

I'm rarely sarcastic myself, so when I am I use multiple slashes just so folks don't miss it and get the wrong impression.

397 Silhouette  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:15:37pm

I have a cousin hit by an IED in Iraq. After some hospital time, he is back in the US.

It seems pretty real to me, too. Another cousin in missed her flight on Sept 11. The one that went into the Pentagon.

398 VegasRick  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:16:03pm

re: #387 rawmuse

Well, I got a nephew deployed. The War on Terror is sure as hell not phony to him. It ain't phony to me. I'm ready to join now if they'd have me. What good are my dreams in a world that is not peaceful? People that call the war phony best avoid me.

Just for clarification, I agree 100% with you, but you knew that no?

399 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:16:14pm

re: #396 Thanos

I'm rarely sarcastic myself, so when I am I use multiple slashes just so folks don't miss it and get the wrong impression.

I'm sarcastic so much of the time I get confused myself.

400 yochanan  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:16:17pm

re: #356 IslandLibertarian

I AM NOT LIBEL TO THE NEW TESTAMENT nice try though.

401 beachkatie  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:16:25pm

re: #236 joannice to meet you Joan!

402 USBeast  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:16:26pm

Before I pack it in tonight I would like to thank you all for being here on the 54th anniversary of Ye Olde Beastie's nativity. It's been a helluva ride so far and as near as I can tell I'm still ten years away from my midlife crisis.

God bless you all.

403 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:16:43pm

re: #377 VegasRick

Done. You are right, thanks for the reminder (I always forget about the dingy thingy).

But do you remember to ringy the dingy thingy ?

404 yochanan  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:16:50pm

re: #363 FrogMarch

obama is a sept 10 canidate.

405 StinkHammer  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:17:04pm

re: #363 FrogMarch

Obama: The post post 9/11 candidate.

well researched article.
Hat tip: Mike Rosen.

I heard Rosen's interview with Philip Klein this morning! Really engaging and informative (as is usual with Rosen's show)....

406 2by2  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:17:29pm

re: #368 Lucius Septimius

I praise your nose

407 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:17:35pm

re: #402 USBeast

Before I pack it in tonight I would like to thank you all for being here on the 54th anniversary of Ye Olde Beastie's nativity. It's been a helluva ride so far and as near as I can tell I'm still ten years away from my midlife crisis.

God bless you all.

you're doing well. I'm 53 and at least 10 years PAST mine !

408 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:17:40pm

re: #233 thepresenceusmc

JCM, I respect your position. Palandine, you, too. The thing is...

Gas is $4 and headed to $5.
Inflation is making it impossible to keep afloat.
I'm tired of Iraq and the phony War on Terror.
I'm tired of an open border and expiring tax cuts.
I'm tired of new entitlements and the nanny state.

I was there in 1994, helping "conservatives" get elected, and look where that got me. I wasted a decade with the GOP, and all I got was this lousy t-shirt. Time to move on...now, I'm in the LP. Yeah, I may lose, but at least they'll pick a message I like and be loyal to it.

I don't give a damn if I get your respect, myself. I was in one of the early phases of this "phony war on terror". Many of my friends are giving their time and their lives in this "phony war on terror". If you cannot even grasp the simple concept that there is nothing fake about this war, and the importance of fighting it BEFORE it reaches our shores again, then you are too delusional to even address. F**k you and Bob Barr, if you want to go all freaking isolationist, fine. But, be aware all Obama is going to do is make us MORE vulnerable. McCain at least understands this one important fact.

409 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:17:50pm

re: #406 2by2

I praise your nose

The nose knows.

410 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:18:01pm

re: #234 psyop

That is absolutely, positively, 100% true.

If you think you hate McCain, Obama would be worse.

If you think that "showing up" McCain by not voting for him and allowing Obama to be elected would actually be a GOOD result, you are a complete idiot.

If you loved Blackhawk Down, Khobar Towers, and the USS Cole bombings, vote against McCain.

If you like the Haditha investigations, vote against McCain.

If you actually give a damn about the lives of the people in harm's way, vote for McCain.

It's just that simple.

411 Sharmuta  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:18:51pm

re: #384 angst

Lucky for us. Hopefully, there are still folks around that realize some things aren't negotiable- though sometimes it seems like there are fewer every day.

I hate to think what the course of human history would look like if there were no men (and women) who never had the courage to stand up for better ideals than the status quo. You could kiss the Enlightenment good bye. Same with the Renaissance. And maybe even the Crusades to stop islamic imperialism.

I don't recall the line going, "I'm mad as Hell and I'm just going to lie down and take it". Screw that.

412 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:18:52pm

re: #350 taxfreekiller

The real bad of all this.

The f'n lame ass Republicans who have RINO'd the party go around saying, we may not win in Nov. , its like they have no idea of how to f'n fight this little lawyer prick commie. So many of them have never been in a real fight, just money fights on who has the most re-election money, and that just not a real deal like this thug deal.

Call it like it is R's or you are going to get your ass kicked by these commies and then by "We the People", for a royal f'up.

True. I just wish we didn't have to do something that feels wrong, to make things right.

413 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:19:20pm

re: #338 HoosierHoops

Wow your post made me cry.
Tell your son thank you!

414 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:19:31pm

re: #394 J.S.

With regard to the "subliminal content" -- well, I would not be surprised (in the least) if they are attempting to influence potential voters. There was an editorial the other day in the National Post about "Fast Eddie". The thesis of the article was that Obama was not at all "naive". (I actually don't recall any conservatives making the case that the ObamaMessiah was "naive.") Anyway, "Fast Eddie" is a hustler and apt to do virtually anything so as to attain power (including, as conservatives all over have noted, throwing his grandma under the bus). The question becomes who won't Obama discard due to political expediency? What does Obama stand for, other than the naked striving for the attainment of power? (i probably shouldn't continue here -- Obama reminds me too much of a certain kind of person -- and if anyone's had the misfortune of having close, personal dealings with such personality types -- all I can do is give them my condolences...and offer the warning to beware of these types and stay as far away from them as you can...) oh, and never, ever trust them...they are extremely beguiling, clever, charming and convincing (also extremely superficial, glib) -- but their "niceness" is all a sham...all a fraud...

Psychopaths. Most of them aren't killers. But they all are supreme manipulators in search of power, with no conscience whatsoever.

415 FrogMarch  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:19:34pm

re: #386 funky chicken

Has Rosen talked about oil shale yet? I emailed him about it, but can't catch his show where I live now. Wayne Allard and Orrin Hatch are really fighting to get that oil shale moratorium (democrat passed, of course) struck down. The oil shale issue could be huge in the CO and NM races for the US senate this year.

I've been too busy to listen to Rosen's show lately. I did catch a small portion today. BEST show on the radio - IMHO.

But to answer your question - no - I don't know if Rosen has talked about oil Shale. The leftist democrats are going to take over Colorado. The Republicans need help framing issues - they have no clue how to hit back.

416 Suzette  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:20:06pm

re: #338 HoosierHoops

Damn fine post. Tell your son thanks for protecting all Americans too.
/you have the "right" to be tired....not this other poster. He's just tired of getting up from the bed to the computer.

417 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:20:29pm

re: #402 USBeast

Before I pack it in tonight I would like to thank you all for being here on the 54th anniversary of Ye Olde Beastie's nativity. It's been a helluva ride so far and as near as I can tell I'm still ten years away from my midlife crisis.

God bless you all.

Happy one to you.

/I hit my midlife crisis at 25, you're doing good. Heading up to 40 I don't know what the hell to call my current crisis.

418 Beobachter  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:20:32pm

re: #338 HoosierHoops

HoosierHoops, thank you, your family, and especially Jordan for your service to this country.

419 StinkHammer  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:21:07pm

re: #415 FrogMarch

I've been too busy to listen to Rosen's show lately. I did catch a small portion today. BEST show on the radio - IMHO.

I second that evaluation %100.

Bernard Goldberg called it one of the smartest shows on radio.

420 2by2  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:21:10pm

re: #409 Lucius Septimius

lol, wish that more were equipped with one like yours

421 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:21:14pm

re: #399 Lucius Septimius

I'm sarcastic so much of the time I get confused myself.

Yep, I think some of us need a symbol for "this time I'm not being sarcastic... no, really."

422 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:22:05pm

re: #417 Mars Needs Neocons

Happy one to you.

/I hit my midlife crisis at 25, you're doing good. Heading up to 40 I don't know what the hell to call my current crisis.

ANSWER,,,, compared to me and my advanced age,,,, SPRY!

423 BrianA  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:22:07pm

Looks like a chicken laying a big obamagooseegg.

Imagine the imagery:

Libtards like Michael Moore with a big L on their foreheads. (losers!)

Obamatards with a big ZERO on their foreheads. (speaks for itself!)

424 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:22:30pm

re: #212 unrealizedviewpoint

It's a Paulian. Don't address It, and maybe It will go elsewhere and find some poll to skew.

perfect response

425 StinkHammer  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:22:30pm

re: #415 FrogMarch

BTW, you can always check out Rosen's archived podcasts here.

426 Palandine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:23:05pm
My brothers. I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me! A day may come, when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of Fellowship, but it is not this day! An hour of wolves and shattered shileds when the age of men comes crashing down! But it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you, stand, men of the West!
427 FrogMarch  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:23:10pm

re: #405 StinkHammer

I heard Rosen's interview with Philip Klein this morning! Really engaging and informative (as is usual with Rosen's show)....

Hi StinkHammer! I caught most of it too. It was excellent as usual.

428 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:23:11pm

re: #391 angst

Oooh! Jon Tester! He wasn't even conservative enough to be named John!

Yeah, but what the f**k is wrong with us that the only opponent we field against Baucus is Captain Eyebrows?

I personally am starting a Michael Lange write in campaign. It would be funny if Eyebrows loses to a write in (since we know Baucus will win anyway, thank you seniors.)

429 J.S.  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:23:19pm

re: #414 angst

exactly.

430 Cartman  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:23:27pm

Everything about the Obamassiah is cabalistic.

431 FreethinkerNYC  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:23:41pm

Obama News Alert:

Obama Apology to Muslim Women Orchestrated by Muslim U.S. House Rep. (Keith Ellison)

An apology issued by Barack Obama to two Muslim women booted from the front lines of a public appearance by the Democratic presidential candidate last week was orchestrated by Rep. Keith Ellison, the first Muslim ever elected to Congress.

Multiple congressional sources confirm that it was Ellison, D-Minn., who confronted Obama over the issue during a meeting with the Congressional Black Caucus.

[Link: elections.foxnews.com...]

The 2 women are radical Muslim activists.

Hebba Aref, was an official of the Muslim Students Association (MSA), in charge of proselytizing. The Chicago Tribune identified the MSA as part of the American manifestation of the Sunni terrorist group, Al-Ikhwan Al-Muslimeen--The Muslim Brotherhood. Aref served on the executive board of the University of Michigan-Dearborn's MSA, which demanded and obtained tax-funded Muslim foot baths at that university,

Shimaa Abdelfadeel, the other woman allegedly excluded by the Obama campaign, was chair of SAFE, a University of Michigan-Ann Arbor group that hosted the 2002 Divestment Conference against Israel at which "Annihilate the Jews!" was chanted and Islamic Jihad founder Sami Al-Arian was keynote speaker. She's the author of vehement anti-Israel propaganda.

432 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:24:06pm

Getting back to the seal deal, while I've scanned through this thread pretty fast, I've noticed that all the seal discussion has been about the larger features located nearer the center of the seal.

Has anyone discussed the very faintly visible lines of text at the top of the seal image that fade into obscurity as you focus on the more noticeable features?

I saw that right away. I can't read the words, it's too faint. But with image manipulation the contrast could be enhanced to bring out the lettering.

Just saying...

433 EC Marm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:24:22pm

Pat Buchanan, responding to Christopher Hitchens, is at it again:

Late 1940 was a full year before the mass deportations from the Polish ghettos to Treblinka and Sobibor began. Churchill had ordered the indiscriminate bombing of German cities and civilians before the Nazis had begun to execute the Final Solution. [Link: www.humanevents.com...]


Hey Pat, take a look at this, or read a book on the topic. Look at the date.

434 VegasRick  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:25:03pm

re: #428 Mars Needs Neocons

Yeah, but what the f**k is wrong with us that the only opponent we field against Baucus is Captain Eyebrows?

I personally am starting a Michael Lange write in campaign. It would be funny if Eyebrows loses to a write in (since we know Baucus will win anyway, thank you seniors.)

Thurston Howell III is running for office? I'd vote for Ginger.

435 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:25:06pm

re: #411 Sharmuta

I hate to think what the course of human history would look like if there were no men (and women) who never had the courage to stand up for better ideals than the status quo. You could kiss the Enlightenment good bye. Same with the Renaissance. And maybe even the Crusades to stop islamic imperialism.

I don't recall the line going, "I'm mad as Hell and I'm just going to lie down and take it". Screw that.

Or: "I'm mad as hell but I'm sure it's because I'm not sufficiently sensitive to the needs and wants of my enemy."

436 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:25:54pm

re: #426 Palandine

I do fantasy almost as well as scifi.

437 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:26:08pm

I saw this picture at Rooters today.
He was killed by "Suspected Muslim rebels" *Spit* in Thailand.
I have no idea who this man was. This man probably had a family. Maybe a wife, a couple of kids, brothers, sisters, parents. All suffering for their loss.

This war against terrorism isn't the least bit phony to them. We are fighting the same ideology. Kill,Kill,Kill is all it knows. When there's no "infidels" to kill, they redefine the term. Phony War on Terror ?

Kiss MY Ass.

438 loppyd  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:27:12pm

re: #233 thepresenceusmc

Please tell me what was phony about:

The WTC bombing in 1993
The Khobar Tower bombing in 1996
The US Embassy bombings in Kenya/Tanzania in 1998
The USS Cole bombing in 2000
9/11/01 WTC, Pentagon, Flight 93 headed to crash into the Capitol?
The Bali night club bombing in 2002
The London bombings

439 FrogMarch  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:27:20pm

re: #419 StinkHammer

I second that evaluation %100.

Bernard Goldberg called it one of the smartest shows on radio.

Bernie is right.
Hasn't Bernie been a guest on Mike's show? Now that's an awesome combination. Mike and Bernie - I could listen to that all day long!

440 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:27:22pm

re: #422 sattv4u2

ANSWER,,,, compared to me and my advanced age,,,, SPRY!

LOL, unfortunately I've been told I have the body of a healthy 70 year old.

441 StinkHammer  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:27:28pm

re: #427 FrogMarch

I've learned a helluva lot about Economics listening to Rosen -- the cat knows his onions.

442 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:27:49pm

Now, this is not without a sense of irony. One of the wealthiest men in the world, Lev Leviev of Israel, who the UN wants to have no more business with because he's into building housing on the West Bank, has moved on to buy a few other properties.

Including the old New York Times headquarters in Midtown.

Give Leviev time. He might come up with an even better solution to the UN... buy it outright and send it packing.

443 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:28:15pm

It's really sad to see an idiot Bob Barr supporter saying he's for closing the border. Yeah, Barr was for that in 1999. Now? He's changed his tune to fit with the LP.

flip flop? No, apparently the fish lipped moron has become a hero like Obama...if he ever once said something creditable, that's the end of the story.

444 VegasRick  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:28:16pm

re: #437 SasquatchOnSteroids

re: #438 loppyd

It left.

445 Lee Coller  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:28:23pm

re: #338 HoosierHoops

I'm tired of Iraq and the phony War on Terror.

How are you tired? exactly.. My 21 year old son just returned from Iraq as a member of the 3/5th marines, kilo co. 1st platoon.
How are you tired.. Our family lived on the edge for 7 months.. There were too many times the phone rang at 4am and everybody in the house ran top speed to answer it.
And there would be Jordan on some roof somewhere in Fallujah calling his family..just to say hello..i love you.
How are you tired?
This year will be the first year in 3 years that jordan will be home for christmas..
Then in Jan. the 3/5th goes on another deployment..Can't say where yet..
How are you tired?
The last weekend Jordan was at home he came up to me and kissed me on the forehead and said this..
Every morning i wake up i think about you and mom and my brothers and sisters.. I wake up because of you..to protect our family.
That's my boy...
/ the 3/5th marines arrived home last month with all hands..

Your Boy is now a Man. Thank him for his service.

446 loppyd  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:28:26pm

re: #442 lawhawk

Karma's a bitch. LOL

447 Thanos  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:28:53pm

Anyone have a link to that fake memo from an Embassy that had an Eagle statue pic photoshopped onto it?

448 Sharmuta  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:28:59pm

re: #435 angst

I'm mad as hell and I'm going to use it as an excuse to whine.

449 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:29:09pm

re: #432 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Has anyone discussed the very faintly visible lines of text at the top of the seal image

it says, in sanscrpit

"shhhhhh,,,,, I'm young, inexperienced, have a funny name, and oh did I mention I'm black !"

450 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:29:13pm

re: #433 EC Marm

Pat Buchanan, responding to Christopher Hitchens, is at it again:


Hey Pat, take a look at this, or read a book on the topic. Look at the date.

What a scumbag. And a historically illiterate one, at that.

451 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:30:01pm

re: #434 VegasRick

Thurston Howell III is running for office? I'd vote for Ginger.

I wish, nope we get this.

452 Palandine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:30:05pm

re: #436 angst

I do fantasy almost as well as scifi.

I've got my Irish up. Geez, I'm a woman and a preparedness person. I tend to be pessimistic. But men like thepresence who are all doom and gloom before it's time irk me. It's so emo and melodramatic.

And I just read the Pat Buchanan quote above. Shoot, we have to fight jihadis, socialists, and fans of Nazis, and yet we have people who are so ideologoically pure that they're going to cast their lot with Bob Barr. Great.

453 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:30:25pm

re: #432 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Getting back to the seal deal, while I've scanned through this thread pretty fast, I've noticed that all the seal discussion has been about the larger features located nearer the center of the seal.

Has anyone discussed the very faintly visible lines of text at the top of the seal image that fade into obscurity as you focus on the more noticeable features?

I saw that right away. I can't read the words, it's too faint. But with image manipulation the contrast could be enhanced to bring out the lettering.

Just saying...

Hmmm. I'm not technical, so can't do it myself. But it would be interesting.

I still think it's weird to have a skyscraper under the bird. It just doesn't look like a flag to me.

454 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:30:37pm

re: #448 Sharmuta

I'm mad as hell and I'm going to use it as an excuse to whine.

"Welcome to the garden; I'll be your server tonight; the special is worms."

455 VegasRick  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:30:37pm

re: #451 Mars Needs Neocons

I wish, nope we get this.

OMG! What is that?!

456 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:30:42pm

re: #426 Palandine

"Was it 'over' when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell, no! It wasn't over then! And it isn't over now! 'Cause when the going gets tough....

....


...

... the tough get going! Now, who's with me? AYYYYOOHHHHHHH...."

457 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:30:45pm

re: #444 VegasRick

re: #438 loppyd

It left.

#1, I'm still here
#2, I prefer Mister IT, if you don;t mind !

458 loppyd  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:30:55pm

re: #338 HoosierHoops

May God protect your son and his brothers in arms always and may He provide you and your family with strength and comfort while he is on foreign shores protecting our freedom.

459 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:31:00pm
460 StinkHammer  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:31:29pm

re: #439 FrogMarch

Hasn't Bernie been a guest on Mike's show? Now that's an awesome combination.

He's been on quite a few times -- it's very entertaining/insightful radio. Most recently they were discussing things political and media-oriented, natch. I think it revolved around Bernie's most recent book being printed in a paperback edition. You could probably find it in the "Rosen Replay" audio files (unless it happened further back than they archive . . .)

461 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:31:31pm
462 Shug  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:31:34pm

hoosier-hoop's up-ding count is rising faster than the National Debt

463 Palandine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:32:13pm

re: #456 Occasional Reader

"Was it 'over' when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell, no! It wasn't over then! And it isn't over now! 'Cause when the going gets tough....

....


...

... the tough get going! Now, who's with me? AYYYYOOHHHHHHH...."

"Germans?"
"Forget it, he's rolling."

464 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:32:14pm

re: #449 sattv4u2

Has anyone discussed the very faintly visible lines of text at the top of the seal image

it says, in sanscrpit

"shhhhhh,,,,, I'm young, inexperienced, have a funny name, and oh did I mention I'm black !"

That's the funny answer, but I may download that image later and manipulate it to see what I come up with. It doesn't appear to be random, but there does appear to be text. Whether or not it's in English I can't tell without a closer look.

465 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:32:38pm

re: #459 buzzsawmonkey

Babar = cool.

Bob Barr = not cool.

Though the first one was a bit authoritarian, ne c'est pas?

466 VegasRick  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:33:13pm

re: #457 sattv4u2

#1, I'm still here
#2, I prefer Mister IT, if you don;t mind !

I always wondered what "Mrs. T" looked like.

467 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:33:18pm

re: #455 VegasRick

OMG! What is that?!

Oh, I'm sorry is this more flattering.

That is a republican for expanding the entitlement state, nationalizing the oil industry, and creating an American parliamentary system.

He's been asked repeatedly to leave the party, but he refuses.

Look what happens when you have five conservative candidates running against each other, and one insane assclown.

468 Venezuela lover  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:33:29pm

Obama's logo looks like a take off of the USDA logo and the USDA National Agricultural Statistics Service logo.Look at the top of the page here: USDA and NASS logos

Is this a sublimal farm background for Obama. Or did he steal someone's logo?

469 FrogMarch  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:34:08pm

re: #441 StinkHammer

I've learned a helluva lot about Economics listening to Rosen -- the cat knows his onions.

I hear you. I wish I could argue like Rosen. I love it when he gets all pissy with "Steve the socialist". Not only is he armed with economic and historical facts; he 's funny. It would be nice if certain republican candidates would consult with him.

470 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:34:09pm

re: #465 Lucius Septimius

ARGGGGHHH PIMP n'est ce pas.

I need to drink more.

471 loppyd  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:34:17pm

re: #459 buzzsawmonkey

Babar = cool.

Bob Barr = not cool.

I was always partial to the Zephyr the monkey. :~)

472 Suzette  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:34:22pm

re: #417 Mars Needs Neocons

Happy one to you.

/I hit my midlife crisis at 25, you're doing good. Heading up to 40 I don't know what the hell to call my current crisis.

Fatigue. By the time I hit my 40's that is when it hit from all the battles and making sure my kids were raised correctly.....

473 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:34:26pm

re: #457 sattv4u2

#1, I'm still here
#2, I prefer Mister IT, if you don;t mind !

Umm, they were talking about presenceusmc, or is there something sockpuppety we don't know?

474 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:34:29pm

re: #465 Lucius Septimius

Though the first one was a bit authoritarian, ne c'est pas?

And some doubts linger about his claimed life story. A Peruvian elephant? Helloooo?

475 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:34:38pm

re: #470 Lucius Septimius

PIMP = Preview is my Pal.

476 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:34:48pm

re: #456 Occasional Reader

re: #463 Palandine

I spent the better part of 3 years after that movie practicing playing the William Tell Overture on my neck with my fingers !

477 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:34:53pm

Dr. Ahmad Al-Mub'i, a Saudi Marriage Officiant: It Is Allowed to Marry a Girl at the Age of One, If Sex Is postponed. The Prophet Muhammad, Whose Model We Follow, Married 'Aisha When She Was Six and Had Sex with Her When She Was Nine

MemriTV video.

478 VegasRick  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:34:56pm

re: #467 Mars Needs Neocons

Oh, I'm sorry is this more flattering.

That is a republican for expanding the entitlement state, nationalizing the oil industry, and creating an American parliamentary system.

He's been asked repeatedly to leave the party, but he refuses.

Look what happens when you have five conservative candidates running against each other, and one insane assclown.

Is he anti - barbers as well?

479 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:35:16pm

re: #474 Occasional Reader

And some doubts linger about his claimed life story. A Peruvian elephant? Helloooo?

And let's not forget his sudden incestuous marriage to his underage cousin.

480 abolitionist  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:35:19pm

re: #432 really grumpy big dog Johnson

It's been mentioned (with sarcastic twists by some), but it says
E PLURIBUS UNUM

481 loppyd  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:35:28pm

re: #475 Lucius Septimius

PIMP = Preview is my Pal.

Keeping your pimp hand strong, Lucius?

482 bellamags  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:35:28pm

bbl

483 yochanan  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:35:53pm

re: #433 EC Marm

PAT PUKANAN anti semite.

484 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:36:01pm

re: #452 Palandine

I've got my Irish up. Geez, I'm a woman and a preparedness person. I tend to be pessimistic. But men like thepresence who are all doom and gloom before it's time irk me. It's so emo and melodramatic.

And I just read the Pat Buchanan quote above. Shoot, we have to fight jihadis, socialists, and fans of Nazis, and yet we have people who are so ideologoically pure that they're going to cast their lot with Bob Barr. Great.

Well, that's why that quote was so perfect (and it really is a pretty cool scene). The Trilogy of the Ring was influenced by the evils of facism afoot in the world when Tolkein wrote it.

485 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:36:06pm

re: #481 loppyd

Keeping your pimp hand strong, Lucius?

Mack Daddy; dat's me.

Just tryin' to keep it Obama.

486 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:36:15pm

re: #472 Suzette

Fatigue. By the time I hit my 40's that is when it hit from all the battles and making sure my kids were raised correctly.....

I'm just at the start of the raising thing. 4 and 6 and many years of indoctrination bullshit ahead of them. Wish I could just forget looking for work and start homeschooling.

487 psyop  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:36:55pm

re: #410 funky chicken

If you loved Blackhawk Down, Khobar Towers, and the USS Cole bombings, vote against McCain.

If you like the Haditha investigations, vote against McCain.

If you actually give a damn about the lives of the people in harm's way, vote for McCain.

It's just that simple.

I was slated to stay in Khobar Towers for a PATRIOT deployment in 1997. Before we got on the C-5's and C-17's to go the Dhaharan, we learned that they had been blown up.

We spent our deployment in trailers and tents....

488 Thanos  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:37:04pm

Ok found the fake memo eagle here, forgot that Slimey Larry Johnson was part of that...

489 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:37:06pm

re: #478 VegasRick

Is he anti - barbers as well?

That ain't hair, it's an eyebrow combover.

490 Inquisitive  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:37:11pm

re: #146 galloping granny

Note the 13 stars, the olive leaves and the motto. This is not the logo of Obama's campaign, this is his new and "improved" version of the Official Seal of the President of the United States. Do not fail to notice the glaring omission - no arrows.
It looks like there is one arrow and it looks like it is through the flag.

491 Palandine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:37:44pm

re: #477 jcm

Dr. Ahmad Al-Mub'i, a Saudi Marriage Officiant: It Is Allowed to Marry a Girl at the Age of One, If Sex Is postponed. The Prophet Muhammad, Whose Model We Follow, Married 'Aisha When She Was Six and Had Sex with Her When She Was Nine

MemriTV video.

And with apologies to Napier, it is allowed to geld guys who marry 1-year-olds with a 12-gauge where I come from. You follow your traditions, and we'll follow ours.

492 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:37:48pm

re: #486 Mars Needs Neocons

I'm just at the start of the raising thing. 4 and 6 and many years of indoctrination bullshit ahead of them. Wish I could just forget looking for work and start homeschooling.

45, Fibromyalgia, plus all kinds of other crap that hit me post 40.

We've got four kids ages 9 to 4 months and started homeschooling this year. It's a lot of work, but at least we're not doing damage control any more.

493 2by2  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:38:01pm

nite lizards, I'm off to Eurabia tomorrow evening

494 FrogMarch  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:38:33pm

re: #460 StinkHammer

...You could probably find it in the "Rosen Replay" audio files (unless it happened further back than they archive . . .)

I will check that out. Thanks for the reminder.

495 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:38:34pm

re: #484 angst

Well, that's why that quote was so perfect (and it really is a pretty cool scene). The Trilogy of the Ring was influenced by the evils of facism afoot in the world when Tolkein wrote it.

Yeah, and then damn Aragorn comes out and says war is never the answer, when interviewed. Didn't f-ing Viggo learn anything from the trilogy?

496 loppyd  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:38:36pm

re: #485 Lucius Septimius

Mack Daddy; dat's me.

Just tryin' to keep it Obama.

Got DOPE

497 VegasRick  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:38:51pm

re: #489 Mars Needs Neocons

That ain't hair, it's an eyebrow combover.

Nice.

498 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:39:04pm

re: #493 2by2

nite lizards, I'm off to Eurabia tomorrow evening

Safe trip!

499 Kirly  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:39:34pm

re: #385 Thanos

Presence, you sound just like Justin Raimondo, why don't you go hang with your buds at the hit n' run blog? That's who you are siding with.

who died and made you head lizard?
where do you get off inviting people to leave?

i would think that would be reserved for the owner of the site.

i know i don't come around here much anymore so do tell.

500 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:39:36pm

re: #487 psyop

I was slated to stay in Khobar Towers for a PATRIOT deployment in 1997. Before we got on the C-5's and C-17's to go the Dhaharan, we learned that they had been blown up.

We spent our deployment in trailers and tents....

I did stay in Khobar in 91. My best friend was there at that time and then again when the bombs went off. Purple Heart for glass in the ass.

501 opnion  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:39:41pm

re: #353 DistantThunder

Bush has kept us safe since 2001.
Bush gave us tax cuts.
Bush gave us great Supreme court justices.

I don't see how the war was phoney when real people with real weapons were trying to kill Americans, and succeeded time after time after time culminating in 911.

I am with you. This crap, "Bush lied & people died" is tedious.
Clinton thought that they had WMD's, the French did , The Israelis did.
I don't know that Iraq was the right call.
They had that debate & the Dem's were onboard.
We can not afford a humiliation there. It is where we are.
God bless our troops. Change the rules of engagement so that they can win & come home alive & kick Obamas ass until it is a pool of blood.
OK, I feel better.

502 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:39:51pm

re: #495 Mars Needs Neocons

Yeah, and then damn Aragorn comes out and says war is never the answer, when interviewed. Didn't f-ing Viggo learn anything from the trilogy?

No, but John Rhys-Davies did- or maybe he already knew!

503 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:40:02pm

LOL about Babar.

Rosen fans, email him about Wayne Allard and Orrin Hatch. Hatch in particular is royally POd about the oil shale. The #1 opponent is that douche Ken Salazar that Coloradans elected in 2004. Hatch is usually kinda boring and bland, but he's so angry that it really animates him on this issue.

Read this interview to see Hatch kicking butt and naming names:

[Link: money.cnn.com...]

504 Catttt  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:40:04pm

At least this one has "e pluribus unum" on it instead of "Vera Possum" (here at DisneyWorld). Here Mrs. Possum is with her daughter, Chloe.
/

505 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:40:48pm

re: #499 Kirly

who died and made you head lizard?
where do you get off inviting people to leave?

i would think that would be reserved for the owner of the site.

i know i don't come around here much anymore so do tell.

very 5th grade-ish!

506 psyop  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:41:44pm

re: #500 Mars Needs Neocons

I did stay in Khobar in 91. My best friend was there at that time and then again when the bombs went off. Purple Heart for glass in the ass.

If you are going to get a P.H., glass in the ass isn't a bad way to go.

507 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:41:48pm

re: #480 abolitionist

It's been mentioned (with sarcastic twists by some), but it says
E PLURIBUS UNUM

That's well below what I'm talking about.

508 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:41:49pm

re: #495 Mars Needs Neocons

Yeah, and then damn Aragorn comes out and says war is never the answer, when interviewed. Didn't f-ing Viggo learn anything from the trilogy?

Oh, he did, but he thinks we're Mordor. (Really. He said so on Charlie Rose, I heard it.)

509 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:42:13pm

re: #492 Lucius Septimius

45, Fibromyalgia, plus all kinds of other crap that hit me post 40.

We've got four kids ages 9 to 4 months and started homeschooling this year. It's a lot of work, but at least we're not doing damage control any more.

That's always rough. I'm being checked now for some mystery problems in my shoulder (left arm goes completely dead) and a reoccurring back pain that hits, drops me to my knees, and then is gone in about a minute.
Problem is that Neurology didn't run any tests other than blood, came up empty and is sending me to Physical Therapy. (I would have thought Osteo would have been the next stop, but what do I know I'm not a PA.)

510 Kirly  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:42:16pm

re: #349 eaglewingz08

what Senate Bill is this? what it's number? was it already passed in the house? or does this mean that it's been passed in both the house and the senate and now goes to conference committee?

i've looked and can't find these details. maybe i'm not the best searcher of interwebz. throw me a bone.

511 Thanos  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:42:25pm

re: #499 Kirly

who died and made you head lizard?
where do you get off inviting people to leave?

i would think that would be reserved for the owner of the site.

i know i don't come around here much anymore so do tell.

Piss on the libertarians who hang with anti semites and paulists and who call the war phony. Tough if you don't like it. Why don't you read the thread before you butt in?

512 loppyd  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:42:39pm

re: #499 Kirly

Actually, he/she appears to have left when people asked him questions he didn't want to answer.

513 Kirly  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:43:03pm

re: #505 sattv4u2

very 5th grade-ish!

well then it should be very simple to answer.

514 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:43:09pm

re: #487 psyop

Didja ever get to Al's Garage?

515 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:43:22pm

re: #502 angst

No, but John Rhys-Davies did- or maybe he already knew!

JRD always struck me as a classy guy.

516 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:43:38pm

re: #512 loppyd

LOPPY ,,,,,, The Red Sox ,,, FIX EM !

517 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:43:50pm
518 Kirly  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:43:57pm

re: #508 Occasional Reader

Oh, he did, but he thinks we're Mordor. (Really. He said so on Charlie Rose, I heard it.)

'tis true. viggo mortensen is a complete idiot. supported ron paul IIRC.

519 philosoteric  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:44:06pm

re: #4 Killgore Trout

I think it's a phoenix - you notice how the bird is seemingly rebirthing itself from Obama's New World Order Crest faux Presidential Seal II?

520 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:44:19pm

re: #506 psyop

If you are going to get a P.H., glass in the ass isn't a bad way to go.

I'm just ripped I didn't get mine for being thrown from a vehicle during GW1.

521 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:44:23pm

re: #499 Kirly

who died and made you head lizard?
where do you get off inviting people to leave?

i would think that would be reserved for the owner of the site.

i know i don't come around here much anymore so do tell.

Whack-a-troll is the official LGF sport. That was a good clean whack.

522 Kirly  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:44:38pm

re: #511 Thanos

Piss on the libertarians who hang with anti semites and paulists and who call the war phony. Tough if you don't like it. Why don't you read the thread before you butt in?

butt in? i'm just as registered as you. tough if you don't like it.

523 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:45:05pm

re: #517 buzzsawmonkey

Well, he was a symbol of oppressive European colonial hegemony, but aside from that I always thought he was kind of a nice guy.

The first book does have a certain edge of that, aside from being a really weird story. But that element is largely missing in the later books. Besides, unless you were French and grew up in the 1930s, about 90% of the imperialist stuff would totally elude you.

524 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:45:37pm

re: #508 Occasional Reader

Oh, he did, but he thinks we're Mordor. (Really. He said so on Charlie Rose, I heard it.)

Utter delusion. Which side again wants to institute a new dark age? Which side just throws its people into the meat grinder without any pause? Which side...I think everyone but dipshit Viggo gets the point. I guess his role as Satan in The Prophecy went to his head.

525 nyc redneck  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:45:50pm

i just wonder if his little devious plan is working.
i resent deceptive advertising. i guess it has to be that way.
he is the defective product they are trying to market.

526 Suzette  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:45:53pm

re: #486 Mars Needs Neocons

I'm just at the start of the raising thing. 4 and 6 and many years of indoctrination bullshit ahead of them. Wish I could just forget looking for work and start homeschooling.

I understand that....I'm in my late 40's and have two son's in mid 20's and I am still teaching them. But getting through the teen-age years....aaarrrgghhh! Made it though.
(still intend to send you that e-mail....my cat of 14 years died and I am just now starting to come out of my shell ..plus it will be a hard e-mail to write too. :)

527 psyop  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:46:15pm

re: #514 funky chicken

No, where was that?

I did go to the ARAMCO facility for Thanksgiving, which was awesome. I also went over the King Fahd Causeway to Bahrain. Which was also awesome.

528 loppyd  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:46:55pm

re: #516 sattv4u2

LOPPY ,,,,,, The Red Sox ,,, FIX EM !

Pathetic.

529 Thanos  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:47:03pm

So Kirly, do you agree and think the war on terror is phony? Are you supporting what presence said?

530 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:47:08pm
531 Shug  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:47:08pm

Poll question

If BHO is elected, what are the chances he will abolish the 100,000 cap on social security taxes?

Will it pass?

532 beachkatie  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:47:36pm

re: #493 2by2
Really?

533 DoubleU  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:47:46pm

Personally I don't think it is anything more than poor page design.

But if you want to get yourselves wound up, notice that the stars are gone on the flag and replaced with the O for Obama.

534 Kirly  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:48:00pm

re: #524 Mars Needs Neocons

Utter delusion. Which side again wants to institute a new dark age? Which side just throws its people into the meat grinder without any pause? Which side...I think everyone but dipshit Viggo gets the point. I guess his role as Satan in The Prophecy went to his head.

no, not really. the entire cast was a bunch of moonbats with the noted exception of John Rhys-Davies (sp?).

535 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:48:08pm

re: #526 Suzette

I understand that....I'm in my late 40's and have two son's in mid 20's and I am still teaching them. But getting through the teen-age years....aaarrrgghhh! Made it though.
(still intend to send you that e-mail....my cat of 14 years died and I am just now starting to come out of my shell ..plus it will be a hard e-mail to write too. :)

Take your time, you know where to find me. Still hoping someday to get a collection of military, police, and hospital ghost stories to publish. (Really want to start with military, and thanks to a fellow lizard I have one if they let me)

536 yochanan  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:48:17pm

kirly we were playing wack a troll sorry if some got a little ruough and hit the wrong target.

BE SWEET just kidding kirly
you know i am just kidding you.

537 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:48:28pm

re: #526 Suzette

Sorry to hear about the kitty -- that's always rough.

538 Kirly  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:48:28pm

re: #529 Thanos

i used very simply words. i'm sure you understood what i meant.

539 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:48:43pm
540 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:48:49pm

re: #527 psyop

No, where was that?

I did go to the ARAMCO facility for Thanksgiving, which was awesome. I also went over the King Fahd Causeway to Bahrain. Which was also awesome.

Never made it there, bet it was nice. I know some guys that I served with that went to ARAMCO several times to party.

541 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:48:49pm

re: #531 Shug

It might. I was reading up on that this weekend, it's a very goofy plan but I think it might pass.

542 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:49:03pm

re: #535 Mars Needs Neocons

OOOOh I love ghost stories.

543 opnion  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:49:25pm

re: #531 Shug

Poll question

If BHO is elected, what are the chances he will abolish the 100,000 cap on social security taxes?

Will it pass?

Yes & yes. Obama is out to get even for paternal abandonment,
his mixed race & being a dweeb through tax terrorism.

544 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:49:34pm

re: #539 buzzsawmonkey

Glass of wine here. It's been a long day.

545 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:49:44pm

re: #526 Suzette

I understand that....I'm in my late 40's and have two son's in mid 20's and I am still teaching them. But getting through the teen-age years....aaarrrgghhh! Made it though.
(still intend to send you that e-mail....my cat of 14 years died and I am just now starting to come out of my shell ..plus it will be a hard e-mail to write too. :)

I just got a cat for the kids. (thinkin of packing it up and mailing it away) Just kidding, but it is really learning to hate the spray bottle of water.

546 blue_like_jazz  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:51:08pm

LINK, PLEASE?

anyone?


re: #349 eaglewingz08

OT the Senate appears to have passed by 83 votes, which means with about thirty Republican Senators, Sen Dodd's Housing Bill which he calls the Obama Housing Act. Why are repubs supporting a bill reflecting Obama's philosophy rather than their party's nominee, McCain? Second this bill is a trojan horse for the most radical takeover of financial transactions ever enacted in US History and passed without a peep from the public or from talk radio. Hidden in the 600 page bill is the requirement that every financial transaction be reported to the government, whether credit card, paypal,internet, whatever. That the government will be given the power to approve or disapprove the way people use their credit cards and to determine whether or not such credit purchases are proper and appropriate by the government. There is no protection in the bill for privacy, as most small businesses use social security numbers for transactions, thus hundreds of millions of social security numbers will be unsecured, as will any transaction for drugs medicine, erotica, political expenditures, books, magazine, media purchases. Who will have this info besides the IRS, the bill does not limit its transmission.
The full impact of the bill may not come into effect until 2011, and at that time the public may wake up and vote these idiots out of Congress. However, it is curious that libs who are aghast at the government listening in on phone calls made in foreign countries between terrorists are silent about their government's listening into ALL OF THEIR FINANCIAL TRANSACTIONS.
Welcome the 1984.

547 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:51:11pm

re: #539 buzzsawmonkey

Je me ne importe pas

"I don't me matter"? How many of those aperitifs have you finished off, Monsieur?

548 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:51:28pm

re: #544 Lucius Septimius

Glass of wine here. It's been a long day.

Bottle of wine here, it's been an easy one.

549 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:51:36pm

re: #538 Kirly

i used very simply words. i'm sure you understood what i meant.

I understood what you meant in your #513 (well then it should be very simple to answer.) I just decided not to stoop to your amatuerish level of discourse and await till you evolve enough to play with the adults !

(see ,, I can be just as snarky as you try to be ! )

:)

550 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:52:03pm

re: #526 Suzette

I'm very sorry to hear about your cat.

551 opnion  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:52:06pm

re: #548 Killgore Trout

Bottle of wine here, it's been an easy one.


Now thats funny!

552 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:52:11pm
553 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:52:19pm

re: #542 Lucius Septimius

OOOOh I love ghost stories.

Me too, and it always irritated me that their are all these specialized books on ghosts, but I haven't found any like I want to do. I know the military has great ones, because I had a couple of experiences, and many people I served with did too.

554 Thanos  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:52:36pm

Yeah Kirly, I get it, you don't think others are allowed to express their opinion.

The point is Bob Barr is not the salvation of the Libertarian party, they lost it way back with the non agression pact. They've been infiltrated by anti semite populists and anarchists, Justin Raimondo just being one example. Presence says he's going to vote for Barr, so he's siding with Buchanan, Ron Paul, Justin, and the other protectionist crybabies.

555 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:52:49pm

re: #544 Lucius Septimius

Glass of wine here. It's been a long day.

re: #548 Killgore Trout

Bottle of wine here, it's been an easy one.

Vodka Martini, straight up with olives ,,, just because this day ends in a "Y"

556 Da_Beerfreak  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:53:12pm

re: #522 Kirly

butt in? i'm just as registered as you. tough if you don't like it.

It's official policy here now, according to a certain group of noobs;
if you don't drink the McCoolaid you're a Troll.

557 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:53:16pm
558 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:53:31pm

re: #555 sattv4u2

Vodka Martini, straight up with olives ,,, just because this day ends in a "Y"

Still recovering from the martinis this weekend.

559 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:54:02pm

re: #507 really grumpy big dog Johnson


Where grump?
I have blown it up to 400 percent and dont see anything.
The eagle does have teeth though

560 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:54:09pm

re: #553 Mars Needs Neocons

Me too, and it always irritated me that their are all these specialized books on ghosts, but I haven't found any like I want to do. I know the military has great ones, because I had a couple of experiences, and many people I served with did too.

Are there any standard patterns in the military ghost stories? Care to share one?

561 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:54:29pm

re: #558 Lucius Septimius

Still recovering from the martinis this weekend.

simple solution ,,,,, DON'T LET THE END OF THE WEEKEND STOP YA !

562 Thanos  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:54:48pm

re: #557 buzzsawmonkey

Justin Raimondo is something that any right-thinking person scrapes off their shoe.

Absolutely right, and you'll find the phrase "phony war on terror" in several of his essays, exactly what brought him to mind.

563 psyop  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:54:55pm

re: #540 Mars Needs Neocons

Never made it there, bet it was nice. I know some guys that I served with that went to ARAMCO several times to party.

It was. After hanging out in the sand, going through those gates and the first thing I see is a baseball diamond with a perfectly manicured field. It was like any suburb you might see in America.

After 3 months in country, it nearly made me cry.

564 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:55:14pm

re: #561 sattv4u2

Meanwhile, how was the beach?

565 loppyd  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:55:24pm

re: #546 blue_like_jazz


Here you go Blue!

566 opnion  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:55:25pm

re: #552 buzzsawmonkey

Aw, hell. I knew I'd forgotten most of my French, but I didn't think it had gone quite so far.

And in the meantime, Ricard rules!


The funniest French ever was John Wayne as Davey Crocket in the Alamo, 'Well git down off of that horse monsewer, & have some of these friholie beans" Classic! I miss the Duke.

567 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:55:30pm

re: #560 Lucius Septimius

Speaking of which, BTW ,,,, wanna get together some night this week after work for a snort?!?!

568 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:55:30pm

re: #527 psyop

No, where was that?

I did go to the ARAMCO facility for Thanksgiving, which was awesome. I also went over the King Fahd Causeway to Bahrain. Which was also awesome.

It was the Khobar Towers replacement. Al's Garage is what my husband called it, but it had a Saud name Al Karj? shrug. It's closed now, of course. No great loss apparently.

569 Josephine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:55:42pm

re: #362 2by2

I might be paranoid, but growing up in post war Germany as a Jew, I have some hyper sensitivities towards the whole iconography of the Obama campaign.
Aside the fact that he does not have any real positions and the fact that he disassociates with everyone who could harm his chance to win the election, the imagery the campaign produces gives me the creeps.
The sunrise logo, the low angle shots against the sky, the subtle image of the seal on his site, the logos for all different groups, ethnicities are all hinting at something more sinister. It smells like the subtle rise of a dictator to me.

I get that feeling, too.

570 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:56:17pm

re: #564 Lucius Septimius

Meanwhile, how was the beach?

lust got back today,, will be going back down Sunday or Monday ,, see my #567

571 melinwy  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:56:20pm

re: #203 Render

well said!

572 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:56:51pm

re: #567 sattv4u2

Possibly, though this week is tight -- I've got an event at Emory on Thursday night, and Friday is "date night" with the Missus.

Next week perhaps? Send me an email.

573 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:56:51pm
574 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:57:15pm

There DEFINITELY is an arrow going through it

575 blue_like_jazz  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:58:02pm

re: #565 loppyd


thanks, loppster =)

576 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:58:05pm

re: #570 sattv4u2

Hmmm -- just saw that. Tomorrow night is a possibility, though I have to check on a couple of things.

577 Kirly  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:58:10pm

re: #554 Thanos

Yeah Kirly, I get it, you don't think others are allowed to express their opinion.blockquote>

i never said that.

"crybabies"

oh the irony.

578 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:58:16pm

re: #560 Lucius Septimius

Are there any standard patterns in the military ghost stories? Care to share one?

I don't think there really are any standard stories, but consider how many bases are located on the sites of historical events (forts, battles, even some german bases are located on french sites that were Nazi prior to that) I think that kind of thing leaves an imprint.

Common things are shadows with no people, objects dissappearing from one spot only to reappear somewhere else, cold spots, doors opening and closing. My favorite ones (mainly because I was an SP, locked doors being open on the second time around with no one on the flight line.)

579 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:58:26pm

re: #572 Lucius Septimius

Possibly, though this week is tight -- I've got an event at Emory on Thursday night, and Friday is "date night" with the Missus.

Next week perhaps? Send me an email.

will do. Looks like we'll have to do it when I get back (again) from the beach. I'm leaving Sunday or Monday and staing until the 16th

580 Catttt  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:58:40pm

re: #530 buzzsawmonkey

If I were given a brief stint of dictatorial powers, I would mandate that foreigners who come here to suck up wealth and then bite the hand that feeds them would pay a really whopping fat surtax on their gains.

His dad is Danish, and he's lived all over the place, but Viggo Mortensen was born in NYC, and his mom is an American. He was graduated from Watertown HS. I know he's a moonbat, but he's a dandy actor. If he could only keep his mouth shut when he's not acting. Oh well.

581 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:59:03pm
582 ec marm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:59:16pm

re: #570 sattv4u2

lust got back today,,


&#9834 Viva Viagra! &#9834

583 Alouette  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:59:18pm

re: #442 lawhawk

Now, this is not without a sense of irony. One of the wealthiest men in the world, Lev Leviev of Israel, who the UN wants to have no more business with because he's into building housing on the West Bank, has moved on to buy a few other properties.

Including the old New York Times headquarters in Midtown.

Give Leviev time. He might come up with an even better solution to the UN... buy it outright and send it packing.

Lev Leviev = the anti Soros

584 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 6:59:24pm

re: #563 psyop

It was. After hanging out in the sand, going through those gates and the first thing I see is a baseball diamond with a perfectly manicured field. It was like any suburb you might see in America.

After 3 months in country, it nearly made me cry.

Sweet. (Most of the guys I knew just were going because they thought they could get booze.)

585 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:00:14pm

re: #576 Lucius Septimius

e-mail me. I'll give you my work # and we'll touch base tomorrow (I'm there from 10 am )

586 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:00:27pm

re: #585 sattv4u2

Willdo.

587 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:00:28pm

re: #533 DoubleU

Personally I don't think it is anything more than poor page design.

But if you want to get yourselves wound up, notice that the stars are gone on the flag and replaced with the O for Obama.

Huh. Maybe that's why I think it looks like a skyscraper with the sun setting and a bird on top of it. weird

588 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:00:47pm

re: #582 ec marm

♪ Viva Viagra! ♪

damn thumbs ,,, I KNEW someone would be spell checker tonight !

589 loppyd  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:00:48pm
590 psyop  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:01:49pm

re: #568 funky chicken

It was the Khobar Towers replacement. Al's Garage is what my husband called it, but it had a Saud name Al Karj? shrug. It's closed now, of course. No great loss apparently.

No, then. When I got there, we could still see the ruins that used to be Khobar Towers from the Saudi airbase we were staying on. We lived in crappy 40 foot trailers, with 20 rooms per end and a communal bathroom in the middle.

It wasn't what I would call the greatest living conditions. I had a better place in Iraq.

591 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:02:05pm

re: #586 Lucius Septimius

What time do you finish up at Emory? Thats less than a stones throw from me !?!?!

592 CoCo  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:02:33pm
593 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:02:47pm

re: #589 loppyd
Love the first one. LOL

594 Shug  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:02:52pm

re: #557 buzzsawmonkey

Justin Raimondo is something that any right-thinking person scrapes off their shoe.

actually I'd throw those shoes in the garbage

595 jaunte  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:03:16pm

Bob Barr thread at the dailypaul:
[Link: www.dailypaul.com...]
I see troofers.

596 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:03:23pm

re: #590 psyop

No, then. When I got there, we could still see the ruins that used to be Khobar Towers from the Saudi airbase we were staying on. We lived in crappy 40 foot trailers, with 20 rooms per end and a communal bathroom in the middle.

It wasn't what I would call the greatest living conditions. I had a better place in Iraq.

Khobar was a sweet setup. Everything nice cool marble, air conditioning, indoor plumbing (with bidet). The Saudis built it for the nomads, (trying to get them to move in to the cities and become "more islamic".) The nomads gave the Saudis the fickle finger of fate.

597 opnion  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:03:24pm

re: #590 psyop

No, then. When I got there, we could still see the ruins that used to be Khobar Towers from the Saudi airbase we were staying on. We lived in crappy 40 foot trailers, with 20 rooms per end and a communal bathroom in the middle.

It wasn't what I would call the greatest living conditions. I had a better place in Iraq.


Well, thank you for your service!

598 loppyd  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:03:25pm

re: #593 Pvt Bin Jammin

Love the first one. LOL

I might have to get my credit card out....

599 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:04:08pm

re: #598 loppyd

Sox have tied it up !

600 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:04:59pm

re: #598 loppyd

I might have to get my credit card out....

whats the number ,,, (and don;t forget to give me that code thingy on the back too, as well as the expiration date !)

601 Catttt  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:05:06pm

re: #526 Suzette

My sympathies on your loss - and one virtual hug for you.

602 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:05:07pm

re: #559 Typicalwhitey

Where grump?
I have blown it up to 400 percent and dont see anything.
The eagle does have teeth though

It's toward the top in the background. There's something that looks very much like text, quite possibly mirrored left-to-right. It appears that a blurring tool may have been used to render the text unreadable, but I've fiddled around with my meager image manipulation tools, and have been unable to extract anything.

If you take the image as presented in IE, and click on the expand button that will appear in the lower right corner if your monitor resolution isn't high enough, the text should appear, although still unintelligible. Maybe we need a CIA operative or a slick graphics person to chase this down.

On the seventh line of text from the top, in the middle is where the E PLURIBUS UNUM appears. I'm not making this up.

603 beachkatie  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:05:10pm

re: #553 Mars Needs Neocons
Thank you for your service! I love ghost stories to! My mom told me a few.... One was one that happen to my grandfather when he was dating my grandmother.....A lady in white with long dark hair running along side the carriage..Great grandfather!

604 psyop  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:05:37pm

re: #584 Mars Needs Neocons

Sweet. (Most of the guys I knew just were going because they thought they could get booze.)

Well, the wine was pretty neat, too....

The group of guys I went with (about 12 young soldiers) didn't even know there would be booze. We just wanted something other than crappy chow hall food prepared by Third Country Nationals....

605 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:05:54pm

Enhanced photo of the seal

I changed it to black and white.

606 opnion  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:06:10pm

Good night dear Lizards. Sleep tight. Don't let the Obama bite.
If he does, kick the livin shit out of him!

607 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:06:30pm
608 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:07:11pm

re: #604 psyop

Well, the wine was pretty neat, too....

The group of guys I went with (about 12 young soldiers) didn't even know there would be booze. We just wanted something other than crappy chow hall food prepared by Third Country Nationals....

The chow hall food in Kuwait was amazing. Going from MRE's and field tent chow to that was like upgrading to a five star restaurant.

609 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:07:38pm

re: #590 psyop

Sounds...lovely. People ask me what I have my husband bring back from all these trips to the middle east. My answer? NOTHING. Why would I want momentos of all the years I've played part time single mother because of that f'ed up culture?

610 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:07:49pm

The flag isn't right, there is a spear in it and the stars are off

611 psyop  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:08:03pm

re: #597 opnion

Well, thank you for your service!

Don't thank me, thank my wife for putting up with it.

612 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:08:27pm

re: #607 ploome hineni

because Leviev lived communism,

and Soros is a wannabe communist, who lives in the freedom others died to give him

Which is amazing considering that Soros lived under the Nazis and Communists, and has a reputation as a commie fighter. (Though strangely enough, his velvet revolutions put an awful lot of ex-kgb into power.)

613 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:08:38pm
614 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:08:40pm

re: #598 loppyd

4 runs in the bottom of the 8th. The Sox now lead 5-4. Boy ,,,, you're good.. I asked you to fix em , and BINGO !

615 abolitionist  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:08:47pm

re: #507 really grumpy big dog Johnson

That's well below what I'm talking about.

The E PLURIBUS UNUM is well below what you're talking about? I don't see any other obvious text, altho I've looked with IrfanView, tweeking magnification, contrast, gamma, effects (like embossing), negative, etc.

I do see faint traces of something, possibly very large text, that runs all the way from left to right, near the top of the image, in the "dark" area, but I can't make out any of it. It that what you're asking about?

616 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:08:53pm

re: #605 Typicalwhitey

Enhanced photo of the seal

I changed it to black and white.

That's just the center of the background image. The image is roughly four times as large.

617 psyop  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:08:54pm

re: #606 opnion

G'night!

618 Lightworker  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:09:06pm

Do not question the essence of my master plan, only I know the way, the truth and the .....
/Not

619 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:09:36pm

re: #609 funky chicken

Sounds...lovely. People ask me what I have my husband bring back from all these trips to the middle east. My answer? NOTHING. Why would I want momentos of all the years I've played part time single mother because of that f'ed up culture?

There are some things I brought back and many others I wanted to. Hell, if I could get around import laws, there is a lot of stuff there a hell of a lot cheaper than here, I could set up several nice profitable businesses.
LOL

620 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:09:39pm

re: #591 sattv4u2

It'll be a late event -- doesn't start until 6:30 and then if previous events of this sort are any measure will go on until the wee hours.

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy meeting.

621 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:09:42pm
622 VegasRick  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:09:59pm

re: #617 psyop

G'night!

Me too.

623 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:10:12pm

re: #613 ploome hineni

#583 Alouette

you notice, there are no former communists living in the west, fighting to bring socialism to America

only assholes like Hillary and Jane Fonda and Sarandon and Kerry and Obamanation

who have no idea what that life really is

Actually Soros did live under communist rule for a while.

624 jaunte  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:10:21pm

re: #621 buzzsawmonkey

"This plan intentionally left blank."

625 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:10:29pm

re: #605 Typicalwhitey

Enhanced photo of the seal

I changed it to black and white.

That's not an Eagle...
It a Turkey Vulture!

626 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:10:37pm

re: #621 buzzsawmonkey

Put... on... the glasses!

627 psyop  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:10:38pm

re: #609 funky chicken

You and my wife would certainly get along....

628 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:10:46pm

re: #595 jaunte

Bob Barr thread at the dailypaul:
[Link: www.dailypaul.com...]
I see troofers.

Yep. I don't worry that Barr will get that much traction beyond the Stormfront and troofer folks who supported Paul. I could be wrong as folks like Glenn Beck are shilling for him big time. I caught a quick bit of Dennis Miller's show intro yesterday and he was having Barr as a guest.

shaking head.

Sorry, to repeat, but if you support McCain's defeat, you by definition have lost your right to claim to "support the troops."

period.

629 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:11:07pm

re: #616 really grumpy big dog Johnson


Yeah I know
I was just trying to enhance the center part.
I can't see any text at the top

630 Carridine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:11:10pm

re: #437 SasquatchOnSteroids

Sas, that man in the Rooters picture was killed by Thai security forces... he may have had family, but having a gun puts him OUTSIDE legal bounds in Thailand, and if security forces shot him, he was probably identified as Muslim terrorist...

Which again underlines your larger point, this is a REAL war, not a phony war, even if the Free World is not fighting with all we have.

631 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:11:14pm

re: #620 Lucius Septimius

It'll be a late event -- doesn't start until 6:30 and then if previous events of this sort are any measure will go on until the wee hours.

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy meeting.

DAMN ,,, I KNEW I should have given more $$$$$$. Thats why I didn;t get an invite !

Ah well, hit me with an e-mail and in the morning I'll reply with my work #

632 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:11:18pm

re: #625 jcm

That's not an Eagle...
It a Turkey Vulture!

Kind of looks like James Carville ...

633 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:11:52pm

re: #626 Occasional Reader

Put... on... the glasses!

While he's drinking out of them? That would be a mess ...

634 Josephine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:11:59pm

re: #394 J.S.

Too true.

I lived with a guy like that (not for long, though).

One day I was trying to figure out why he had changed so drastically after we moved in together. I said to him, "When we were dating, we went out for dinner all the time."

He chuckled and said, "I was wooing you."

Obama has already admitted to lying through his teeth because he is wooing the voters. I hope his followers stop being blinded by limmerance and listen to what he is really saying and doing.

635 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:12:20pm

re: #625 jcm

re: #632 Lucius Septimius

Kind of looks like James Carville ...

Why insult Turkey Vultures ?

636 Suzette  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:12:25pm

re: #535 Mars Needs Neocons

You are collecting the stories?
/don't know where mine will fit in but you may use it when I finally get around to typing it up for you. It's a bit difficult..... :)

637 loppyd  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:12:28pm

re: #614 sattv4u2

4 runs in the bottom of the 8th. The Sox now lead 5-4. Boy ,,,, you're good.. I asked you to fix em , and BINGO !

I aim to please....

638 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:12:33pm

re: #602 really grumpy big dog Johnson

You've never been the making it up kinda guy before :-)

639 loppyd  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:12:54pm

Yooooooooooooouk is in the game.

Pap is on the mound.

640 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:13:15pm

re: #637 loppyd

I aim to please....

thats why I lift the seatie, sweety !

641 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:13:39pm

re: #615 abolitionist

The E PLURIBUS UNUM is well below what you're talking about? I don't see any other obvious text, altho I've looked with IrfanView, tweeking magnification, contrast, gamma, effects (like embossing), negative, etc.

I do see faint traces of something, possibly very large text, that runs all the way from left to right, near the top of the image, in the "dark" area, but I can't make out any of it. It that what you're asking about?

It may depend on the monitor. I cannot absolutely guarantee that it is text, but I can't imagine a random process that would look like that. The very top of the image is white, and it gets darker as you look down. A little ways down is the first line of what appears to be obscured text. The lines dip down in the middle more and more until you get to the seventh line with the E PLURIBUS UNUM text.

The overall image is not at a high resolution. If it was created at some scale such as 4096 by 3072 and scaled down, that may have been the unreadably corrupted result.

642 Thanos  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:13:45pm

DOJ has an eagle in similar stance, but it's standing on the shield, still searching.

643 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:14:07pm

re: #635 sattv4u2

re: #632 Lucius Septimius

Why insult Turkey Vultures ?

My sincere apologizes to Turkey Vultures every where.
I don't know what I was thinking!

644 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:14:17pm

re: #636 Suzette
So very sorry to hear about your cat. Take care {Suzette}.

645 Suzette  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:14:37pm

re: #601 Catttt


Thank you { Catttt } ! ! She was a great and beautiful cat...I will miss her dearly.

646 blue_like_jazz  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:14:39pm

re: #641 really grumpy big dog Johnson


"corrupted result"


... that sounds about right

647 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:14:44pm

re: #627 psyop
:-)

648 abolitionist  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:15:02pm

re: #615 abolitionist

PIMF, "dark" area - should be "light" area, near the top.

649 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:15:14pm

re: #639 loppyd

Yooooooooooooouk is in the game.

Pap is on the mound.

one down

650 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:15:14pm

re: #630 Carridine

You know, I misread the caption, you are correct.

651 sparrowlake  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:15:33pm

Evenin' lizards - have some REAL crybaby.

652 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:15:37pm
653 loppyd  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:16:01pm

re: #649 sattv4u2

one down

0-2 count in the sissy boy

654 suboptimal  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:16:24pm

OT: Possible Mexican military involvement in Phoenix home invasion, homicide, and attempted ambush of police?

If true, this is big.

Reporting is still scarce on this, but there are allegedly Phoenix Police Dept documents describing an incident Sunday night/Monday morning where there was a home invasion, homicide, and an attempt to ambush Phoenix police when they arrived on scene. It is also alleged that the bad guys were dressed in full tactical gear, including Phoenix Police Dept "RAID" shirts.

The ambush apparently only failed when the bad guys ran out of ammunition for their AR-15s. It is not known how many were captured, at least three bad guys are on the loose.

It is known that at least one person inside the house was killed.

Finally, it has also been alleged that at least one of the captured bad guys is current or former Mexican military.

Hopefully we'll see something more about this over the next few days.

655 Macker  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:16:35pm

re: #534 Kirly

You got the spelling right....link

656 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:16:39pm

re: #652 buzzsawmonkey

What creeps me out is the pathetic rush of humanity looking to glean a quasi-religious experience from a limp sock puppet--and the obvious hunger of so many for Somebody Who Will Take Care Of It All For Them.

It is nauseating and frightening all at once.

657 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:16:51pm
658 jaunte  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:16:51pm

Mickey Kaus:
"The seal probably started out as a bit of fun. But unless David Axelrod is insane, the thing will never be seen again."
[Link: www.slate.com...]

659 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:17:59pm

re: #636 Suzette

You are collecting the stories?
/don't know where mine will fit in but you may use it when I finally get around to typing it up for you. It's a bit difficult..... :)

I only will collect what people say I can. Of course I only have one, but it's a start.

660 loppyd  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:18:20pm

re: #653 loppyd

0-2 count in the sissy boy

damn 2-2 now

661 seekeroftruth  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:18:46pm

re: #628 funky chicken

Don't mean to to butt in - but this article on Barr was enough for me.

[Link: www.spectator.org...]

In condemning the Bush administration's bellicose stance toward Tehran, the Libertarian presidential candidate was joined at a Capitol Hill press conference by a liberal roster that included Democratic Reps. Lynn Woolsey and Barbara Lee of California, Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas and Marcy Kaptur of Ohio. There was even an appearance by a contingent of activists from Code Pink, the distaff demonstrators infamous for their disruptive tactics.
662 Thanos  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:19:04pm

Grumpy,

I do see something faintly there above the end of the gradient lines near the top.

663 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:19:07pm
664 Josephine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:19:32pm

re: #443 funky chicken

...the fish lipped moron...

How did I get on the fish-evolution thread?

/

665 Palandine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:20:09pm

re: #621 buzzsawmonkey

THEY LIVE.

I'm here to chew bubblegum and kick ass. And I'm all out of bubblegum.

666 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:20:30pm

re: #659 Mars Needs Neocons


what kind of stories are you looking for?

667 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:20:48pm

re: #663 ploome hineni

Esperanto youth congress?

668 Suzette  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:20:58pm

re: #550 Occasional Reader

Thank you too { Occasional Reader }! :)
/it means a lot to me.

669 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:21:00pm
670 mattm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:21:03pm

Sneaky little bastards. Now it has the stars in it.

Obama is one big fraud and liar. His followers seem to be brainwashed to believing everything he says.

671 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:21:04pm

re: #651 sparrowlake

Evenin' lizards - have some REAL crybaby.

I prefer this crybaby

672 Josephine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:21:14pm

re: #454 Lucius Septimius

"Welcome to the garden; I'll be your server tonight; the special is worms."

My mother used to sing that song. ; )

673 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:21:37pm

re: #654 suboptimal

OT: Possible Mexican military involvement in Phoenix home invasion, homicide, and attempted ambush of police?

If true, this is big.

Reporting is still scarce on this, but there are allegedly Phoenix Police Dept documents describing an incident Sunday night/Monday morning where there was a home invasion, homicide, and an attempt to ambush Phoenix police when they arrived on scene. It is also alleged that the bad guys were dressed in full tactical gear, including Phoenix Police Dept "RAID" shirts.

The ambush apparently only failed when the bad guys ran out of ammunition for their AR-15s. It is not known how many were captured, at least three bad guys are on the loose.

It is known that at least one person inside the house was killed.

Finally, it has also been alleged that at least one of the captured bad guys is current or former Mexican military.

Hopefully we'll see something more about this over the next few days.

I've heard that a lot of these gangs and drug smugglers are current and former mexican military.

674 Ojoe  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:21:38pm

Mt. Wilson Towercam tonight, the sunset upon a 100 year old riveted steel telescope tower with the dome open at the moment.

Here's the photo caption:

South view. Left of center is the 60 Foot Solar Tower, operated by the University of Southern California. One hundred years ago, on June 25, 1908, George Ellery Hale discovered magnetic fields in sunspots with this telescope. To the right of center, is the Snow Telescope, currently in use for the CUREA summer program.

675 Suzette  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:21:58pm

re: #644 Pvt Bin Jammin

Thanks { PBJ }! Good to see you and hope you are doing well. :)

676 Carridine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:22:39pm

re: #663 ploome hineni

The demeaning, demoralizing lines every day...

long lines for shoddy, grey commodities...

equality for all comrades, but Commissar Comrade is ... SPECIAL!


/15-yr olds CAN pick up a lot, Ploome

677 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:23:00pm
678 Suzette  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:23:23pm

re: #659 Mars Needs Neocons

I will let you collect mine. When I get it done. Might turn out to be a book for you! ;)

679 Thanos  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:23:54pm

re: #654 suboptimal

OT: Possible Mexican military involvement in Phoenix home invasion, homicide, and attempted ambush of police?

If true, this is big.

Reporting is still scarce on this, but there are allegedly Phoenix Police Dept documents describing an incident Sunday night/Monday morning where there was a home invasion, homicide, and an attempt to ambush Phoenix police when they arrived on scene. It is also alleged that the bad guys were dressed in full tactical gear, including Phoenix Police Dept "RAID" shirts.

The ambush apparently only failed when the bad guys ran out of ammunition for their AR-15s. It is not known how many were captured, at least three bad guys are on the loose.

It is known that at least one person inside the house was killed.

Finally, it has also been alleged that at least one of the captured bad guys is current or former Mexican military.

Hopefully we'll see something more about this over the next few days.

The Mexican border gangs have been recruiting paramilitaries.

680 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:24:10pm

re: #654 suboptimal

OT: Possible Mexican military involvement in Phoenix home invasion, homicide, and attempted ambush of police?

If true, this is big.

Reporting is still scarce on this, but there are allegedly Phoenix Police Dept documents describing an incident Sunday night/Monday morning where there was a home invasion, homicide, and an attempt to ambush Phoenix police when they arrived on scene. It is also alleged that the bad guys were dressed in full tactical gear, including Phoenix Police Dept "RAID" shirts.

The ambush apparently only failed when the bad guys ran out of ammunition for their AR-15s. It is not known how many were captured, at least three bad guys are on the loose.

It is known that at least one person inside the house was killed.

Finally, it has also been alleged that at least one of the captured bad guys is current or former Mexican military.

Hopefully we'll see something more about this over the next few days.

Here is a report:

Former Mexican Military Launched Hit Squad in Phoenix

681 Carridine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:25:11pm

re: #667 Lucius Septimius
A man-made language, Esperanto bears within its name HOPE (espere, Lat.), Lucius

As made-up languages go, its pretty good FOR European-language people to have one, non-nationalistic, language to unify them.

As a WORLD Auxiliary language, it sucks.

682 loppyd  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:25:28pm

Red Sox Win!

683 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:25:59pm

re: #680 NJDhockeyfan

It is also alleged that the bad guys were dressed in full tactical gear

Note to self; continue practicing head shots.

684 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:26:12pm
685 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:26:12pm

re: #663 ploome hineni

so SOros was 15 or 16 when he escaped Soviet Occupation

what could he have experienced of communism?

He claims that in Hungary he suffered Soviet Oppression. I guess a couple years as a teenager was enough for him. I think he was given the money to go to England by the KGB. (Consider that this is a guy who claims he opposed the Nazis...by collaborating with them)

686 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:26:21pm

re: #682 loppyd

Red Sox Win!

DRINK ,, and sleep,,

G'Night, Lizards

687 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:26:32pm

re: #681 Carridine

Oh I knew what Esperanto was, but the idea that he defected in 1946 while attending an Esperanto youth conference .... just a really odd set of circumstances.

688 Palandine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:27:20pm

re: #674 Ojoe

CNN was on at work today, and there was a story about how much oil drilling is currently going in the CITY OF LOS ANGELES, well hidden. They showed how derricks were surrounded with fake buildings, there's one at Beverly Hills High School that's surrounded by a sculpture.

I was dumbfounded. I'd never heard of this before.

Why are conservatives so bad at getting this kind of information out? Los Angeles is pumping oil in the city limits right now, with no apparent ill effects, and yet we have to fight for every new well and can't get a new refiniery built.

Amazing. I'd love for them to sink a well in my back yard, if it would make a difference.

689 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:27:45pm
690 sparrowlake  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:28:02pm

re: #671 SasquatchOnSteroids

I prefer this crybaby

Stevie Ray is not bad at all.
Have another crybaby.

691 Carridine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:28:25pm

re: #684 ploome hineni

Perhaps you misunderestimate my efforts here... I truly doubt that Soros experienced MUCH at all, and used his loophole to get himself out... I was only answering yr question, 'what could he have known of Communism?'

Succinctly? "Not much!"

692 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:28:49pm
693 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:28:58pm

Just got here. About to go to bed.

One word.

Pretty.

(just like the campaign)

694 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:29:13pm

re: #666 Typicalwhitey

what kind of stories are you looking for?

I have been looking for a long time for ghost stories of veterans and active military. I then expanded the idea to police, because they work the same kind of hours in a variety of locations, and then someone suggested Hospital employees too. (Then I also started thinking about the experiences I had working in the hotel industry)

695 Carridine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:30:15pm
696 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:30:29pm

re: #678 Suzette

I will let you collect mine. When I get it done. Might turn out to be a book for you! ;)

Take your time. I want to make sure that you're yourself when you do it. I'm not going anywhere anytime soon.

697 mattm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:30:43pm

re: #688 Palandine

CNN was on at work today, and there was a story about how much oil drilling is currently going in the CITY OF LOS ANGELES, well hidden. They showed how derricks were surrounded with fake buildings, there's one at Beverly Hills High School that's surrounded by a sculpture.

I was dumbfounded. I'd never heard of this before.

Why are conservatives so bad at getting this kind of information out? Los Angeles is pumping oil in the city limits right now, with no apparent ill effects, and yet we have to fight for every new well and can't get a new refiniery built.

Amazing. I'd love for them to sink a well in my back yard, if it would make a difference.

I have heard of the BHS operation, but no the others. It came up when BHS showed or planned on showing Algore movie, er, propaganda film.

698 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:30:46pm

re: #652 buzzsawmonkey

I don't mind politician lies--they come as part of the package.

What creeps me out is the pathetic rush of humanity looking to glean a quasi-religious experience from a limp sock puppet--and the obvious hunger of so many for Somebody Who Will Take Care Of It All For Them.

Creepy indeed. Just listening to that pathetic fool Dick Dirtbin on the new Laura Ingraham show today, I wished he would just go away.

Is there some secret place dems go to recite and memorize their pathetic talking points? Laura asked him why it is that in spite of the persistent good news coming out of Iraq and Afghanistan, that the dems continued to talk about failure and the abject failure of our interventions.

Dirtbin replied roughly as follows:

"When Bush took us to war in Iraq to get rid of Saddam's WMD's, which were never found, we were told that the invasion would last a few weeks and cost a few billion dollars. Now it's been all these years and we still haven't found WMD's, and the war has cost [enter your own obscenely exaggeraged cost here] and thousands of American lives and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives have been lost, al-Qaeda has only become stronger in Iraq and around the world, and in Afghanistan, the country is in ruin, and the Taliban have never been stronger.

I cannot express the extent of my contempt for that man.

My words are only an approximation of what Dustbin said, but it's right out of the dem propaganda book. These people are incapable of reason and the rational arrival at the truth.

They want change, and the change they want is to turn every American into an unhappy robot like all of them have become.

699 loppyd  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:31:38pm

Off to bed.

Good Night, Lizard Nation....

700 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:32:26pm

re: #684 ploome hineni

it took a few years for the transition from nazi control to SOviet 'occupation'

SOros let in 46...

lol

you want the history of the incremental Sovietization of Hungary?

the war ended in 45

he left in 46

whatever you say

Thank you for that info, it puts it a little more into perspective. I still think he recieved a nice chunk of seed money to go to England (KGB or whatever they were at that time). Read his history, he go involved in finance really quickly, not to ignore how easily he got into school.

701 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:32:40pm

re: #692 ploome hineni

blowback

we are becoming a 3rd world country..a dumping ground

consumers not citizens

bring us your killers and drug dealiers and human bombs

/spit

Here's some of their mules...

Mother helps family smuggle drugs into U.S.

A Mexican woman and her three American daughters have been caught smuggling $1.16 million worth of cocaine into Texas from Mexico.

A sniffer dog alerted customs agents to the smell of cocaine emanating from the car and agents also noted unusual bulges under their clothes, finding cocaine packages on three of the four women.

702 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:33:00pm

re: #662 Thanos

Grumpy,

I do see something faintly there above the end of the gradient lines near the top.

Thanks, Thanos. I wonder if anyone can pull out the actual text. It may not be in English.

703 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:33:14pm

re: #661 seekeroftruth

Don't mean to to butt in - but this article on Barr was enough for me.

[Link: www.spectator.org...]

Not butting in. Damn, I never even saw that article. A joint appearance with

Democratic Reps. Lynn Woolsey and Barbara Lee of California, Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas and Marcy Kaptur of Ohio. There was even an appearance by a contingent of activists from Code Pink

Yowza. Thanks for that. That information really needs to get out there. The problem is that lots of righty commentators are letting their MDS stop them from publicizing any of that crap.

704 CoCo  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:33:53pm

re: #688 Palandine

CNN was on at work today, and there was a story about how much oil drilling is currently going in the CITY OF LOS ANGELES, well hidden. They showed how derricks were surrounded with fake buildings, there's one at Beverly Hills High School that's surrounded by a sculpture.

I was dumbfounded. I'd never heard of this before.

Why are conservatives so bad at getting this kind of information out? Los Angeles is pumping oil in the city limits right now, with no apparent ill effects, and yet we have to fight for every new well and can't get a new refiniery built.

Amazing. I'd love for them to sink a well in my back yard, if it would make a difference.

I remember the first time I visited LA that I was shocked to see all of oil derricks in and around the city.

705 mattm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:33:55pm

re: #698 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Creepy indeed. Just listening to that pathetic fool Dick Dirtbin on the new Laura Ingraham show today, I wished he would just go away.

Is there some secret place dems go to recite and memorize their pathetic talking points? Laura asked him why it is that in spite of the persistent good news coming out of Iraq and Afghanistan, that the dems continued to talk about failure and the abject failure of our interventions.

Dirtbin replied roughly as follows:

"When Bush took us to war in Iraq to get rid of Saddam's WMD's, which were never found, we were told that the invasion would last a few weeks and cost a few billion dollars. Now it's been all these years and we still haven't found WMD's, and the war has cost [enter your own obscenely exaggeraged cost here] and thousands of American lives and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives have been lost, al-Qaeda has only become stronger in Iraq and around the world, and in Afghanistan, the country is in ruin, and the Taliban have never been stronger.

I cannot express the extent of my contempt for that man.

My words are only an approximation of what Dustbin said, but it's right out of the dem propaganda book. These people are incapable of reason and the rational arrival at the truth.

They want change, and the change they want is to turn every American into an unhappy robot like all of them have become.

Not only elected officials but regular dems. If you bring up some rational explanation or other point of view it is "well global warming caused that bad storm" or whatever it may be.

706 Cartman  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:33:58pm

re: #683 Occasional Reader

Note to self; continue practicing head shots.

With double-taps.

707 Suzette  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:34:03pm

re: #696 Mars Needs Neocons

I will be { Mars }.... getting there everyday. :)
/plus it stays on my mind that I need to write it and send it to you every day. Don't know why...

708 Catttt  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:34:04pm

re: #688 Palandine

CNN was on at work today, and there was a story about how much oil drilling is currently going in the CITY OF LOS ANGELES, well hidden. They showed how derricks were surrounded with fake buildings, there's one at Beverly Hills High School that's surrounded by a sculpture.

I was dumbfounded. I'd never heard of this before.

Why are conservatives so bad at getting this kind of information out? Los Angeles is pumping oil in the city limits right now, with no apparent ill effects, and yet we have to fight for every new well and can't get a new refiniery built.

Amazing. I'd love for them to sink a well in my back yard, if it would make a difference.

I don't see why they hide them. I think they look industrial-coolish.

I love industrial. I have a picture of a chemical plant mounted over my couch. (No mount or hung jokes, please/thankyou.)
I'm looking for an oil platform at night for over my desk.

709 NY Nana  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:34:21pm

That seal thing is spooky, just like Hussein. I prefer Charles' throbbing memo.

I can't seem to decide whether Hussein is the Manchurian Candidate, or Mr. Roboto.

710 Thanos  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:34:24pm

re: #702 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Thanks, Thanos. I wonder if anyone can pull out the actual text. It may not be in English.

I'm not sure it's not dithers from the fancy work above, hard to tell because my eyes are not the greatest.

711 swamprat  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:34:46pm

re: #687 Lucius Septimius

Oh I knew what Esperanto was, but the idea that he defected in 1946 while attending an Esperanto youth conference .... just a really odd set of circumstances.

Met a guy who transfered to Poland from Hungary (filed a simple form, said he wanted to be with his girlfriend) Then got on the correct trolley-line and hid in the john in back. Hungary, where he was, had barbed wire, dogs, machine guns. The city he went to had a divided city, with one side free and one side not. Doesn't seem like they tried very hard. Never checked out his claim, I am only repeating it.

712 Thanos  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:35:07pm

The clouds around it remind me of the republic pictures logo

713 uncleFuzzy  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:35:24pm

re: #12 wrenchwench

Sorry so late to respond, but I think that when you are nothing in particular you can more easily be something for everyone.

Also, and again, sorry if this has already been pointed out, but where is the European group and how about Men.

Change we can pander to!

714 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:35:30pm

re: #707 Suzette

I will be { Mars }.... getting there everyday. :)
/plus it stays on my mind that I need to write it and send it to you every day. Don't know why...

Catharsis.

715 Catttt  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:36:04pm

re: #709 NY Nana

That seal thing is spooky, just like Hussein. I prefer Charles' throbbing memo.

I can't seem to decide whether Hussein is the Manchurian Candidate, or Mr. Roboto.

That's weird - just today I was trying to write new lyrics (in my head) to Mr. Roboto to fit Senator Obama. Synchronicity.

716 Palandine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:36:25pm

re: #708 Catttt

It's a flyover-country thing, but when I drive through Illinois, I love to see the little oil wells going on the farms.

I love oil wells. They look like...independence. ;)

717 Suzette  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:36:40pm

re: #714 Mars Needs Neocons

Probably. :)

718 Alouette  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:36:53pm

re: #663 ploome hineni

so SOros was 15 or 16 when he escaped Soviet Occupation

what could he have experienced of communism?

At the Esperanto Youth Conference?

719 Ojoe  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:38:37pm

re: #688 Palandine

There was a big early oil boom in Southern California & there's a lot left for 2ndary recovery & maybe more if they look for it.

Here is a photo of Signal Hill in the early days (1920s). I used to work there in the early 1970's, the pumps were going slowly then; some even still had wooden rocker beams.


Signal Hill California ca. 1955

720 Kulhwch  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:38:42pm

re: #82 Charles

This is interesting - because from a web design standpoint, there's no reason at all to put an image in that area; it's only going to be quickly covered up by the page content. A rather complex background image like that adds significantly to the page download time and the bandwidth. It just doesn't make a lot of sense, unless it's for a purpose.

Are they really going for a subliminal effect?

Just a thought, but I wonder if steganography could be involved.  Because, you're right, it wouldn't be there except to be seen, but by who and why?  Maybe a nice subtle message hidden in the image ... and as we know from Poe, what better place to hide something than in plain sight?

}:)     [Maybe messages to his Islamic overlords?]

721 Thanos  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:39:44pm

Heh, looking for logos I remembered the republic pictures logo, which took me to


Crash Corrigan...

722 Carridine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:39:44pm

re: #705 mattm

...hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives have been lost, al-Qaeda has only become stronger in Iraq and around the world, and in Afghanistan, the country is in ruin, and the Taliban have never been stronger.


I note how, up until this point, it was fairly innocuous, THEN he jumps to 'hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives lost' (how? where? Link, please?); and

'...al-Qaeda has only gotten stronger...' (Source? its nearly all DEAD!)
and
'...Afghanistan is in ruin...' (What? Who told you that? Source?)
and
'...Taliban have never been stronger...' (What? You mean their weakness IS their strength? How much brown acid did you eat?)

Oh, and Dirtbin? We found the Saddam WMDs in Syria... and Israel bombed them a few months ago!

723 Macker  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:39:47pm

re: #695 Carridine

World Esperanto Conference, Switzerland, 1946

I wonder if George Soros attended this...

724 sparrowlake  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:40:28pm

re: #672 Josephine

My mother used to sing that song. ; )

Nobody likes me, everybody hates me
I'm goin' to the garden to eat some worms
Big fat juicy ones,
Itsy bitsy teeny ones,
Goin' to the garden to eat some worms.

725 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:40:37pm
726 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:40:54pm

re: #720 Kulhwch

Just a thought, but I wonder if steganography could be involved.  Because, you're right, it wouldn't be there except to be seen, but by who and why?  Maybe a nice subtle message hidden in the image ... and as we know from Poe, what better place to hide something than in plain sight?

}:)     [Maybe messages to his Islamic overlords?]

Maybe it's the go signal. Or maybe it's just that Obama is delusional.

Have to sleep on that...

727 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:41:08pm

The pitcher for Baltimore has a strange pitching throw.

728 abolitionist  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:42:06pm

re: #641 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Considering that the shading varies horizontally as well as vertically, it is my opinion that anything faintly seen above the E PLURIBUS UNUM is entirely artifacts, from the digitization.
(BS physics; 3.5 years working in a modern printshop, and I know stuff about A/D and D/A converters)

729 Suzette  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:42:51pm

re: #725 ploome hineni

The Holy Ghost doesn't have teeth. That thing looks like it has teeth.

730 Palandine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:43:19pm

re: #719 Ojoe

While watching it, I was thinking "no way!" And then I thought--of course, the LaBrea Tar Pits are there. Yep, there's petroleum.

I'm a well-educated person. I'd never heard of this. Why don't the people in favor of drilling in the US use this as a talking point every single time? Just don't get it. We do lack in rhetorical flourishes, it seems.

731 Cartman  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:43:43pm

re: #724 sparrowlake

Nobody likes me, everybody hates me
I'm goin' to the garden to eat some worms
Big fat juicy ones,
Itsy bitsy teeny ones,
Goin' to the garden to eat some worms.

Put them on the grill first.

732 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:43:53pm

You should read the NYT editorial today where the GOP bigshots in NJ were screaming AGAINST offshore drilling and criticizing McCain for deciding to stop opposing it.

idiots.

Anyway, here's a good article about oil shale....an excellent read.

[Link: money.cnn.com...]

733 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:43:54pm

re: #729 Suzette

The Holy Ghost doesn't have teeth.

Neither does Obama's foreign policy.

734 Kulhwch  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:44:12pm

re: #726 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I favor both theories, myself ...

}:)     [He is a changeable guy, after all ... ]

735 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:44:59pm
736 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:45:24pm

Stupid athlete of the day...

Alabama LB Johns arrested for selling cocaine

TUSCALOOSA, Ala. — Alabama linebacker Jimmy Johns was arrested on felony drug charges Tuesday and kicked off the team, the latest in a string of off-the-field problems for coach Nick Saban's squad.

Johns, who moved to defense for his senior year after playing running back and receiver in 2007, was "pretty wide open" selling cocaine to students on and around the University of Alabama campus but tried to hide what he was doing from teammates, police said.

Dumbass.

737 Carridine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:45:39pm

Its always possible that we're reading FAR too much into a bit of arrogant, ignorant symbolic overreach...

Who was it said, "Never attribute to malice or planning what is more easily described as bumbling stupidity"?

738 BuddyG  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:46:22pm

Now here's a politician that thrills my leg. And a Republican t'boot.

739 Ojoe  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:46:31pm

re: #730 Palandine

If you go to the beach in So Cal even today, bits of "natural" tar float in on the tide from nearby underwater tar seeps. When we were kids in the 1950s, grandpa had a beer bottle full of kerosene at the beach house, and a rag, so we could get the sticky black stuff off our feet before we went in the little house.

The tide pools didn't seem dead either.

BBL

740 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:46:34pm
741 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:46:53pm
Perhaps when a man has special knowledge and special powers like my own, it rather encourages him to seek a complex explanation when a simpler one is at hand.

Sherlock Holmes

742 Carridine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:47:37pm

re: #736 NJDhockeyfan

"Oooh, wow! Cocaine! Cool, Johns, WAY cool..."

***
Slam! "Okay, Johns, you're in the cooler for a LONG TIME. Busted!"

How UN-kewl...

743 Josephine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:47:40pm

The bird's beak is almost touching a star. If you follow those stars down, it looks like a 3 after the last star. Or is it a partly obscured B?

744 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:48:10pm

re: #728 abolitionist

Considering that the shading varies horizontally as well as vertically, it is my opinion that anything faintly seen above the E PLURIBUS UNUM is entirely artifacts, from the digitization.
(BS physics; 3.5 years working in a modern printshop, and I know stuff about A/D and D/A converters)

It would not surprise me, but I've gotten so cynical about the dems and their grand conspiracy plots in the last few years, that I really don't trust much of anything they say.

I'm listening to the Pelosi-hag right now. She's the lead propagandist.

BTW, it's not faintly seen, It's clearly there, just illegible. If it wasn't there prior to image reduction, I can't imagine that kind of noise migration, unless reduction was done in multiple stages. Unless and of course if the image reduction was done from a digital scan of a somewhat dirty analog image, like a photograph or something like an offset print.

But that's just me.

745 Catttt  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:48:11pm

Mr. Soros actually has quite a background and was a very VERY successful trader (just ask the Bank of England). He has been very generous to a lot of what can only be called worthy causes (anti-Communist, pro-democracy in Eastern Europe, anti-poverty and pro-education grants in Africa, etc).

If he weren't being such a nitwit vis a vis US politics, I'd be impressed with him.

746 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:48:21pm

re: #743 Josephine

The bird's beak is almost touching a star. If you follow those stars down, it looks like a 3 after the last star. Or is it a partly obscured B?

I think I detect a lot of BO from that site.

747 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:49:03pm

re: #744 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Read my 741. With your insight lately it describes you beautifully.

748 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:49:13pm

re: #730 Palandine

While watching it, I was thinking "no way!" And then I thought--of course, the LaBrea Tar Pits are there. Yep, there's petroleum.

I'm a well-educated person. I'd never heard of this. Why don't the people in favor of drilling in the US use this as a talking point every single time? Just don't get it. We do lack in rhetorical flourishes, it seems.

And bring up the articles about the fish loving the rigs in the Gulf of Mexico, and show pictures of the beautiful beaches in Gulf Shores, AL and the oil rigs you can see off in the distance, etc.

We used to go to Corpus Christi when I was a kid and I remember seeing rigs there. I'm pretty sure lots of folks still go to those TX beaches too.

etc, etc sigh

749 Catttt  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:49:20pm

re: #735 ploome hineni

you're right, Obama's is an eagle

but the unconcious identification is with the Holy Ghost

Obama is the deliverer

who will take America to new heights

blah blah blah

I'll bet 10 bucks that Senator Obama wouldn't know the Holy Ghost if it bit him on the - neck.

750 yochanan  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:49:28pm

re: #700 Mars Needs Neocons

hungary was a willing nazi allie, the german nazi's did not invade it.

the more you look as soros the more you see 'kapo'

751 Ojoe  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:50:00pm

re: #745 Catttt

He help fund the 'decade of Rom inclusion' to help the Gypsies. He does good things too.

752 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:50:02pm

re: #735 ploome hineni

Now that's a very unpleasant thought.

I'll try that one out on some people I know, and see what they say.

Speaking of things that could badly backfire.

753 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:50:06pm

re: #745 Catttt

Mr. Soros actually has quite a background and was a very VERY successful trader (just ask the Bank of England). He has been very generous to a lot of what can only be called worthy causes (anti-Communist, pro-democracy in Eastern Europe, anti-poverty and pro-education grants in Africa, etc).

If he weren't being such a nitwit vis a vis US politics, I'd be impressed with him.

But, if you look at the history of his anti-communist activities (velvet revolutions) most ended with hardcore ex-kgb running the show.

754 opinionated  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:50:09pm

It has stars, it has stripes-even if vertical- it has some sort of misshapen bird, and it has something resembling the symbol of Ford Mercury and a Moon.

It would make for an interesting Rorschach test.

755 Carridine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:50:52pm

re: #741 Mars Needs Neocons
Yes. I can dig it!

Thanks, Needs...

756 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:50:58pm
757 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:51:12pm

re: #750 yochanan

hungary was a willing nazi allie, the german nazi's did not invade it.

the more you look as soros the more you see 'kapo'

Agreed. But a man born as a jew (even a secular one as he says) selling out his neighbors willingly...and as a teenager...disgusting.

758 yochanan  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:51:21pm

re: #738 BuddyG

that is a MILF

759 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:51:57pm

re: #675 Suzette
Thanks, I'm well. Just back from an Alaskan Cruise. It's beautiful up there!

BBL got to go out to get some dinner.

760 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:52:03pm

well, good night all :-)

761 BuddyG  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:52:11pm

re: #758 yochanan

Thrillin' MILF

762 itellu3times  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:52:12pm

re: #688 Palandine

CNN was on at work today, and there was a story about how much oil drilling is currently going in the CITY OF LOS ANGELES, well hidden. They showed how derricks were surrounded with fake buildings, there's one at Beverly Hills High School that's surrounded by a sculpture.

I was dumbfounded. I'd never heard of this before.

Why are conservatives so bad at getting this kind of information out? Los Angeles is pumping oil in the city limits right now, with no apparent ill effects, and yet we have to fight for every new well and can't get a new refiniery built.

Amazing. I'd love for them to sink a well in my back yard, if it would make a difference.

You must not be from around here! You can Google it
[Link: www.google.com...]
but oil wells and refineries are not news in Los Angeles! The basin is flat except for a row of salt domes over oil deposits from Beverly Hills to Baldwin Hills to Dominguez Hills to Signal Hill, then out to sea and down the coast onshore and offshore Huntington Beach, where there are two or three big old oil islands maybe a mile offshore. As late as the 1960s there were hundreds of derricks and thousands of wells pumping away around the basin, especially along the Huntington Beach coastline. Now 90% of these are gone, but a few remain, here and there. There are huge refineries all around the harbor area for Arco, Chevron, Mobil, 76, and I'm not sure who else, a dozen smaller refineries are mostly closed now. The 405 freeway along the south bay curve runs right along several of the big refineries they're not hidden, with burn-off towers launching plumes of flame from ten stories up, as pollution laws allow. They've done a remarkable job of cleaning up the pollution, the last twenty years, they stunk like hell for a long, long time.

763 Ojoe  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:52:12pm
764 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:52:20pm

re: #728 abolitionist

Considering that the shading varies horizontally as well as vertically, it is my opinion that anything faintly seen above the E PLURIBUS UNUM is entirely artifacts, from the digitization.
(BS physics; 3.5 years working in a modern printshop, and I know stuff about A/D and D/A converters)

BTW, I also once worked in a printshop, all the way from content creation and composition, to photoimage creation and transfer to ink-transfer media, and including pretty decent knowledge of the actual printing itself.

Goss Suburban, operating at anthything from high speed newsprint to high quality glossy transfer in four-color process.

765 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:52:38pm

re: #751 Ojoe

The question on that one - in my mind, knowing the little I do - is how much the Rom want to be included.

766 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:52:43pm

80 Mexican migrants deported from Vancouver

Eighty Mexicans who were cheated into paying up to $3,000 each on the promise of a job in Canada were deported from Vancouver yesterday after spending a weekend in detention centres. The migrants arrived at Vancouver International Airport on a flight from Mexico on Friday, but didn't have the proper documentation to enter the country, Canada Border Services Agency spokeswoman Faith St. John confirmed. "All 80 Mexican nationals were refused admission to Canada," St. John said yesterday.

I wonder if they can get a refund?

767 BuddyG  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:52:45pm
768 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:52:49pm

re: #745 Catttt

Mr. Soros actually has quite a background and was a very VERY successful trader (just ask the Bank of England). He has been very generous to a lot of what can only be called worthy causes (anti-Communist, pro-democracy in Eastern Europe, anti-poverty and pro-education grants in Africa, etc).

If he weren't being such a nitwit vis a vis US politics, I'd be impressed with him.

Don't forget how often we hear of the "good" things Hamas and Osama have done. I have to believe, given his behavior, there are always ulterior motives. Ernesto Blofeld does nothing for no gain.

769 yochanan  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:52:54pm

re: #757 Mars Needs Neocons

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT 'KAPO'S DID

770 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:53:01pm
771 Thanos  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:53:25pm

Hmm. Maybe they just got the idea from Michelle (no, the Michelle we like...)

772 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:53:37pm
773 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:53:38pm

re: #751 Ojoe

He help fund the 'decade of Rom inclusion' to help the Gypsies. He does good things too.

That one I did not know about. I wonder what that was done for.

774 Ojoe  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:53:45pm

re: #765 Dianna

As human beings they do

Most all of us humans want respect

775 CoCo  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:53:46pm

Oh, for an open thread...Cruising through youtube....

Welcome Back, Carter

776 Catttt  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:53:54pm

re: #751 Ojoe

He help fund the 'decade of Rom inclusion' to help the Gypsies. He does good things too.

Yes, indeed - it cannot be denied that he has done good things. I didn't know he had a hand in for the Rom - good for him.

777 Cartman  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:54:29pm

I wouldn't put too much weight behind Soros' "altruistic" side. The man is an evil manipulator.

778 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:55:19pm

re: #763 Ojoe

The Decade of Roma inclusion

This talks about mainstreaming, as I understand Rom culture they wouldn't have any interest in that kind of thing...too Giorgio. Or do I misunderstand?

779 Dan G.  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:56:08pm

re: #213 Thanos

Thanos,

Yer site's kerplunk'd...

780 Catttt  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:56:28pm

re: #768 Mars Needs Neocons

Don't forget how often we hear of the "good" things Hamas and Osama have done. I have to believe, given his behavior, there are always ulterior motives. Ernesto Blofeld does nothing for no gain.

I don't think Mr. Soros is evil. I think he has Western ideals, not "kill everyone who isn't ....... (fill in the blank)" motives, as do Islamofascists. I think Mr. Soros is wrong about things, but not evil.

781 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:56:36pm

re: #770 ploome hineni

agreed

but that is what the nazis did

forced Jews to choose

even choose which child would be killed first

The thing is, reading about him, and what he has even said about himself, it wasn't a choice forced on him, he gladly volunteered.

782 Ojoe  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:56:53pm

re: #773 Mars Needs Neocons

Well I don't know all the history behind it but I suspect it is just simple caring

What do the gypsies have to give that a klepto would want to take

They can offer music and some ways to look at life and live freely

things not diminished by sharing

Jan Yoor's books about them are instructive, he lived as one of them

BBL, have to get some work done.

783 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:57:01pm

re: #774 Ojoe

Yes, but Gypsy/Romany tradition and culture are not exactly brimming with the desire to be just like settled people. It's not part of their world. It was one of the great crimes of the Romanian Stalinist system under Ceaucescue (I'm tired and don't want to look up the spelling) to force the Gypsies to live in "model villages."

784 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:57:19pm

re: #769 yochanan

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT 'KAPO'S DID

My point. It's just that some seem to want to find sunshine and lollipops with this guy, and I just don't see it yet.

785 NY Nana  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:57:46pm

re: #715 Catttt

That's weird - just today I was trying to write new lyrics (in my head) to Mr. Roboto to fit Senator Obama. Synchronicity.

There is something about him that actually gives me the creeps.

The STYX version sounds a lot better, but I loved the video I used, as my sons had Japanes robots when they were kids, and the memories...here are the original lyrics. Have fun!

786 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:58:07pm
787 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:58:15pm

re: #778 Mars Needs Neocons

I don't think so; but I suppose it's a slightly better option than the whole "Gypsies are thieves and swindlers" meme.

788 Thanos  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:58:53pm

re: #779 Dan G.

Yeah I know, I was going to write about the housing bill crap, but now I can't so I'm hanging here.

789 sparrowlake  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:58:55pm

Don't cry baby.
G'nite all.

790 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:59:03pm

re: #780 Catttt

I don't think Mr. Soros is evil. I think he has Western ideals, not "kill everyone who isn't ....... (fill in the blank)" motives, as do Islamofascists. I think Mr. Soros is wrong about things, but not evil.

I wouldn't even say that. Read about how he has destroyed the economies of entire countries, he gloats about the destruction and suffering he causes. That is not the behavior of someone who is just wrong.

791 Dan G.  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:59:45pm

re: #788 Thanos

I was trying to read the "Al Gore lied..." piece. Have you got it posted anywhere else?

792 Thanos  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 7:59:47pm

Dan G,

Also thanks kindly for letting me know, it's appreciated.

793 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:00:04pm

re: #786 ploome hineni

Former because he divorced your sister, or because you divorced his brother?

794 big L  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:00:06pm

423--Brian A---hey, be careful how you use "big L"...

s/ big L

795 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:00:21pm

Bottom of the 9th, Cubs down by 2, one man on, no outs, can they keep the home streak alive?

796 Dan G.  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:00:27pm

re: #792 Thanos

No problem.

797 Thanos  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:00:47pm

re: #791 Dan G.

Nope, not on any other sites. Looks like the server is hard down, I can't hit other sites that are on it. They upgraded Apache and PHP last weekend, I was kinda expecting this.

798 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:01:00pm

re: #786 ploome hineni

yes

he is psychopath

like my former brother in law

lol

LOL

I don't think he's a psychopath, though. I'd have to go through my DSM IV for a while till I find what fits. Some Sociopathic tendencies I think.

799 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:01:42pm

2 on, no outs. Here come the Cubs!

800 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:02:11pm
801 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:02:17pm

re: #790 Mars Needs Neocons

I wouldn't even say that. Read about how he has destroyed the economies of entire countries, he gloats about the destruction and suffering he causes. That is not the behavior of someone who is just wrong.

ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ... ping ping ping ping

His currency manipulations are evil and have led to major hardship for folks in developing nations.

OK, good night now :-)

802 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:02:22pm

re: #787 Dianna

I don't think so; but I suppose it's a slightly better option than the whole "Gypsies are thieves and swindlers" meme.

It is, but the Rom have always resisted attempts to reshape their culture. They believe their culture is one of the oldest in the world that has existed unchanged.

And I don't know where the hell I'm getting this info, somehow I remember it from something I once read,but I'll be damned if I know what.

803 JeremyR  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:02:46pm

re: #739 Ojoe

If you go to the beach in So Cal even today, bits of "natural" tar float in on the tide from nearby underwater tar seeps. When we were kids in the 1950s, grandpa had a beer bottle full of kerosene at the beach house, and a rag, so we could get the sticky black stuff off our feet before we went in the little house.

The tide pools didn't seem dead either.

BBL

You're just being a tool for the repugs. Everyone knows that tar stuff is spills from evil Haliburton oil tankers that leak all over the place and hence the reason no one want them near Alaska.

Seriously folks this is so over the top is a /sarc tag necessary?

804 Thanos  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:03:18pm

re: #796 Dan G.

No problem.

I just got an email update from them:

We will begin changing over the server between 8:30 - 9:00 PM EDT and should be done in aprox 1 - 1 1/2 Hours. There will be intermittent up and down time..........

So try hitting it periodically

805 yochanan  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:03:39pm

re: #784 Mars Needs Neocons

The difference is that in the death camps the 'kapo's were part of the evil but did not really have a choice the majority were murdered as well but it offen was a case of hoping the 'nazi aligator' would eat them last.

806 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:03:42pm

re: #800 ploome hineni

you know

I find it very difficult to judge anything Jews did to survive the nazis

the nazis did everything in their power to prove Jews were animals

in fact show that Jews were vermin

there was no degradation the nazis and their willing helpers would not inflict on the JEW

some Jews became insane, and laughed as they did whatever they were told to do

I find it very difficult to judge Jews in those circumstances

Good point. But, what of him who states that he never saw himself as a Jew.

807 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:03:45pm

re: #802 Mars Needs Neocons

Probably Bury Me Standing, one of the best books on the gypsies that I'm aware of.

808 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:04:20pm
809 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:04:55pm

Bases loaded...nobody out.

810 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:05:07pm

re: #808 ploome hineni

Sorry - that was overly personal - a joke that didn't come out right.

811 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:05:10pm

re: #805 yochanan

The difference is that in the death camps the 'kapo's were part of the evil but did not really have a choice the majority were murdered as well but it offen was a case of hoping the 'nazi aligator' would eat them last.

As now with the left. May the great Islamic Crocodile eat my enemies first.
/moonbat

812 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:05:37pm

re: #807 Dianna

Probably Bury Me Standing, one of the best books on the gypsies that I'm aware of.

Nope, never heard of it. Will have to find it now though.

813 NY Nana  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:06:07pm

re: #750 yochanan

Yochanan,

Soros *spit* was worse than a kapo...he collaborated, as did his Dad....and I will bet, that like Notbright, his family left their parents behind as they left.

814 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:06:57pm

I think I remember so much about the Rom, because I prefer fiction over non-fiction (except in politics and now some history) and the history of the Gypsies always read like something out of High Fantasy.

815 Catttt  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:07:34pm

re: #778 Mars Needs Neocons

This talks about mainstreaming, as I understand Rom culture they wouldn't have any interest in that kind of thing...too Giorgio. Or do I misunderstand?

Traditionally, Roms were the travellers, but everything in modern life tries to interfere. Modern life views that as poverty and shiftlessness instead of freedom, especially in a nanny state Europe.

I got to know several Hungarian Romani guys in the 70s. This one guy had been a young boy during WW II in Hungary, and he saw the Communists as saviors, because they saved him for sure. He was an orphan, and he was raised by them, so he had a different outlook. Yet he was still Romani at heart, even so.

I have to say - gorgio/gaijo (non-travellers). This is Giorgio (on the right, obviously). :D

816 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:08:10pm

re: #814 Mars Needs Neocons

It does!

De Lint did a book about the Gypsies and magic. It wasn't as good as some of his, but it was a good afternoon read.

817 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:08:31pm

re: #813 NY Nana

Yochanan,

Soros *spit* was worse than a kapo...he collaborated, as did his Dad....and I will bet, that like Notbright, his family left their parents behind as they left.

Mr. SOROS: Right. I was 14 years old. And I would say that that's when my character was made. KROFT: In what way? Mr. SOROS: That one should think ahead. One should understand and–and anticipate events and when–when one is threatened. It was a tremendous threat of evil. I mean, it was a–a very personal experience of evil. KROFT: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson. Mr. SOROS: Yes. Yes. KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.

I fully agree, that is when his character was made. And we see what his character is.

818 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:09:09pm

re: #803 JeremyR

You're just being a tool for the repugs. Everyone knows that tar stuff is spills from evil Haliburton oil tankers that leak all over the place and hence the reason no one want them near Alaska.

Seriously folks this is so over the top is a /sarc tag necessary?

Many a time I returned from barefoot sojourns in (once) oil-rich Oklahoma with oil tar all over my feet.

And that beach tar? I hasn't gone anywhere. It's still there, on many beaches and not just in California.

The dems desperately want us to believe that more oil isn't part of the solution. It's a useable resource that doesn't have many other uses other than diesel oils and gasoline and aviation fuels and kerosine and plastics and a few thousand other things.

But we can run our power plants and airliners on batteries or "biodiesel" or solar any day now.

819 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:09:28pm
820 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:09:29pm

re: #815 Catttt

Traditionally, Roms were the travellers, but everything in modern life tries to interfere. Modern life views that as poverty and shiftlessness instead of freedom, especially in a nanny state Europe.

I got to know several Hungarian Romani guys in the 70s. This one guy had been a young boy during WW II in Hungary, and he saw the Communists as saviors, because they saved him for sure. He was an orphan, and he was raised by them, so he had a different outlook. Yet he was still Romani at heart, even so.

I have to say - gorgio/gaijo (non-travellers). This is Giorgio (on the right, obviously). :D

This is so much like my earlier points on Khobar Towers. It was built to house people that had no use for houses. So they never came.

821 mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:09:58pm

Regarding Obama's pet seal..

Does it say E Possumus Unum in the background? I believe that translates to "Lets all play dead"

822 Cartman  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:10:10pm

If for no other reason, Soros should be despised by Lizard Nation for actively (and financially) attempting to usher in socialism into this country. He may have once been "anti-communist", but he sure appears to be fond of the watered down version.

823 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:10:11pm

re: #816 Dianna

It does!

De Lint did a book about the Gypsies and magic. It wasn't as good as some of his, but it was a good afternoon read.

I like De Lint. Urban fairytales, brilliant idea. I need to look up that one.

824 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:10:33pm
825 Macker  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:10:54pm

re: #822 Cartman

If for no other reason, Soros should be despised by Lizard Nation for actively (and financially) attempting to usher in socialism into this country. He may have once been "anti-communist", but he sure appears to be fond of the watered down version.

That's what EurSoc is, right?

826 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:11:02pm

re: #819 ploome hineni

everytime I see this, it breaks my heart

big strong young germans...no humanity...none.. human waste

amalek

worse than satan

Agreed. That's one area that we covered in psych class that seemed to hit dead on. How normal people can commit utter evil.

827 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:11:16pm

Damn

828 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:11:59pm

re: #822 Cartman

If for no other reason, Soros should be despised by Lizard Nation for actively (and financially) attempting to usher in socialism into this country. He may have once been "anti-communist", but he sure appears to be fond of the watered down version.

Agreed. Except he is not for Socialism for himself. For Thee, not for I.

829 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:12:29pm

re: #824 ploome hineni

he is a sick man

lived with terror and fear all his young life

Then he should have sought help, instead of trying to make the rest of the world a sicker place.

830 mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:12:53pm

re: #822 Cartman

You would think a guy with all that money would be a little better at clandestine ops. But instead he's more like a Wile E Coyote. Always scheming with some clever new trick but everything blows up in his face.

831 lummox  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:13:03pm

re: #737 Carridine

Its always possible that we're reading FAR too much into a bit of arrogant, ignorant symbolic overreach...

Who was it said, "Never attribute to malice or planning what is more easily described as bumbling stupidity"?

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequatly explined by stupidity.

832 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:13:47pm

And more from Georgie Boys Greatest Hits.


KROFT: I mean, that's–that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult? Mr. SOROS: Not–not at all. Not at all. Maybe as a child you don't–you don't see the connection. But it was–it created no–no problem at all. KROFT: No feeling of guilt? Mr. SOROS: No.
833 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:14:09pm
834 Catttt  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:14:17pm

re: #782 Ojoe

Well I don't know all the history behind it but I suspect it is just simple caring

What do the gypsies have to give that a klepto would want to take

They can offer music and some ways to look at life and live freely

things not diminished by sharing

Jan Yoor's books about them are instructive, he lived as one of them

BBL, have to get some work done.

I read a Jan Yoors book when I was in high school - always found the Romani fascinating.

And I will BBL too, unless I fall asleep. :D

835 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:14:50pm

re: #830 mich-again

You would think a guy with all that money would be a little better at clandestine ops. But instead he's more like a Wile E Coyote. Always scheming with some clever new trick but everything blows up in his face.

That's only because his lackeys are fools. The people he throws his money behind are incompetent boobs, but still he managed to overthrow Congress.

He's Blofeld and we're without a Bond.

836 Thanos  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:14:52pm

re: #802 Mars Needs Neocons

It is, but the Rom have always resisted attempts to reshape their culture. They believe their culture is one of the oldest in the world that has existed unchanged.

And I don't know where the hell I'm getting this info, somehow I remember it from something I once read,but I'll be damned if I know what.

There's always been a lot of speculation that there were several migrations from India, including during the Dravidian Diaspora.

Of course the Paleos try to make the Jews also Roma with slander to disassociate them from the land, the latest agitprop being the ridiculous Khazar accusation.

837 mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:15:01pm

Obama's presidential seal would feature a pigeon, not an eagle.

Looking for a handout and crapping on the statues of American heroes.

838 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:15:07pm
839 suboptimal  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:15:09pm

re: #677 ploome hineni

you have a linky for that?

Sorry for the hit 'n' run, had a phone call.

The only "reputable" MSM reporting I've been able to find, at all, is here:AZFamily.com

840 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:15:52pm

re: #823 Mars Needs Neocons

While you're at it, if you like urban fantasy, try T.A. Pratt, Blood Engines and Poison Sleep. They're quite good.

841 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:15:53pm

re: #833 ploome hineni

the history of the Gypsies has been reconstructed by analysing their language (maybe their DNA but I forget)

apparently, they originated in India and probably as mercenary fighting forces

Interesting.

I seem to remember that they themselves believed they were descended from the Romans I think, thus Rom. But, I may be wrong.

842 ggt  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:16:06pm

Good Evening Lizards! It was rather nice, a little warm, in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland this evening.

My, this thread took a long time to load. What's going on?

and How are you all this evening?

843 Cartman  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:16:12pm

Soros has no worries - none - regarding his viability as an obscenely wealthy man. He is entirely insulated, economically and otherwise. He is conducting his own perverse social experiment. I believe he sees the toppling of capitalism as his ultimate challenge.

844 mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:16:34pm

re: #835 Mars Needs Neocons

That's only because his lackeys are fools.

They think everyone is as stupid as their own sheeple.

845 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:16:38pm
846 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:16:43pm

Good lord, the pitching has blown up for Georgia and Fresno State.

College World Series game 2, 18-10 Fresno in the bottom of the eight.

If Fresno doesn't blow an eight run lead, game three and the championship is tomorrow.

847 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:16:48pm

re: #836 Thanos

There's always been a lot of speculation that there were several migrations from India, including during the Dravidian Diaspora.

Of course the Paleos try to make the Jews also Roma with slander to disassociate them from the land, the latest agitprop being the ridiculous Khazar accusation.

I've heard of that. A bunch of revisionist gobbledygook. Doesn't stand up to close scrutiny.

848 Carridine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:17:43pm

re: #831 lummox

Thank you, Lummox.

Because THAT seems to apply to this whole Shazama Obama campaign!

849 RTLM  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:18:05pm

/Obama's new seal logo looks frighteningly familiar.

(any photo shop humorists around)

850 swamprat  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:18:29pm

re: #823 Mars Needs Neocons My sister related a story of two gypsies assigned as nazi slave labor. ......they didn't..... They were supposed to push ore carts at a mine; Laughed, joked, talked....got beat....pushed a cart.....stopped, talked a bit, joked.....got beaten badly;.....pushed a cart.... stopped..... Talked, joked a bit, sat......
.got shot
The man who told my sister this said it was the bravest thing he had ever seen

851 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:18:38pm

re: #838 ploome hineni

normal?

maybe in your culture

not in mine

Nor mine, the idea was that the average German was just as sane as you or I, but was too programmed to respect authority to stop and use their own mind.

IE the Milgram Experiment.

852 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:18:51pm
853 mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:18:55pm

re: #846 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Aluminum bats don't belong at the college level.

854 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:19:05pm

re: #850 swamprat

My sister related a story of two gypsies assigned as nazi slave labor. ......they didn't..... They were supposed to push ore carts at a mine; Laughed, joked, talked....got beat....pushed a cart.....stopped, talked a bit, joked.....got beaten badly;.....pushed a cart.... stopped..... Talked, joked a bit, sat......
.got shot
The man who told my sister this said it was the bravest thing he had ever seen

It fits what I understand of their culture.

855 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:19:20pm

re: #841 Mars Needs Neocons

One story, very common, of their origin - call it an origin legend - is that they are the descendants of the repentant thief from the crucifixion. That, or - in the more pessimistic version - they are descended from the smith who made the nails.

856 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:19:41pm

re: #702 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Thanks, Thanos. I wonder if anyone can pull out the actual text. It may not be in English.

I don't think there's any text up there. I just pasted it into GIMP and did a little enhancing sharpen by 50, then by 100 and nothing materializes. Of course, I'm an absolute novice so don't go by me. If there's something you'd suggest I try I'll give it a whirl.

857 nyc redneck  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:19:55pm

re: #843 Cartman

Soros has no worries - none - regarding his viability as an obscenely wealthy man. He is entirely insulated, economically and otherwise. He is conducting his own perverse social experiment. I believe he sees the toppling of capitalism as his ultimate challenge.

it could be that simple. he has picked a stooge he can use to manipulate the system. he may just be seeing what he can get away with.

858 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:20:57pm

re: #840 Dianna

While you're at it, if you like urban fantasy, try T.A. Pratt, Blood Engines and Poison Sleep. They're quite good.

I will. Always get great book lists from here.

Currently reading...The Secret Histories - Man with the Golden Torque, A Conservative History of the American Left.

Just Finished...10 Books that Screwed Up the World, The Orc King, Baldurs Gate 2 - Shadows of Amn.

859 lummox  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:21:13pm

re: #853 mich-again

Aluminum bats don't belong at the college level.

The only place one should find an aluminum bat is in a loan sharks car trunk.

860 Yankee Division Son  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:22:03pm

re: #849 RTLM

OMG! so that's what it reminded me of.. I couldn't quite place it..

861 solomonpanting  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:22:42pm

Just like Obama's campaign come November...
The Eagle has Crash-Landed

862 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:22:43pm
863 Thanos  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:22:45pm

Tonight I"m looking for logos in all the wrong places, so instead it's time to spend some time with my wife, see you all later.

Dravidian Dithyramb

864 Carridine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:22:49pm

re: #850 swamprat
Brilliant, Swampy, because in those few moments they ELOQUENTLY REFUTED and CASTRATED all the Nazi's brutality!

"You CAN kill us, but we are humans, and we CHOOSE to live OUR LIVES AS WE CHOOSE, despite your beatings!"

865 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:23:10pm

re: #845 ploome hineni

you need to be spoon fed, I see

if he were able to see he needed help, he would be on the way to being healed

hopefully you will be able to join some thoughts as you mature

I understand that. Trust me, I am mature, it is clear his sickness will not allow him to understand that he is sick. My observation was more for society, not him. I have yet to disagree with you on this, I'm not sure why your showing me hostility.

866 NY Nana  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:23:22pm

re: #817 Mars Needs Neocons

I fully agree, that is when his character was made. And we see what his character is.

He has no character. I consider him a sociopath. He is amoral, and is a despicable POS. But he will be judged...and not by us.

867 mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:25:04pm

re: #859 lummox

My 13 YO cracked a triple over the right fielder's head yesterday using an aluminum bat. I don't mind them so much for the younger kids because otherwise the parents would be buying a bunch of $75 wooden bats every year. But at the College level, the players are grown men and you almost have to have a death threat to play 3rd base.

868 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:25:10pm

re: #852 ploome hineni

I said I could be wrong. I don't even remember my freaking source. It may have helped if my memory hasn't suffered huge holes in it since shortly after the gulf war, but I will strive for perfection.

869 Carridine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:25:21pm

re: #863 Thanos

That is BEAUTIFUL!

Thank you, Thanos!

870 JeremyR  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:25:29pm

re: #818 really grumpy big dog Johnson

When they drilled my well, there was oily gunk in the sludge. Two hgundred feet through limestone. At first I thought the drill rigs was leaking, but the driller informed me it was coming from the limestone. The rig has no oil in the hole.
By the time he was done, the entire area had a coating of oil.

871 mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:26:02pm

re: #861 solomonpanting

With Robert Byrd campaigning for him, its more like "The Kleagle has landed"

872 swamprat  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:26:04pm

re: #864 Carridine

Brilliant, Swampy, because in those few moments they ELOQUENTLY REFUTED and CASTRATED all the Nazi's brutality!

"You CAN kill us, but we are humans, and we CHOOSE to live OUR LIVES AS WE CHOOSE, despite your beatings!"

You cannot enslave a truly free man. ....You can kill him, but you cannot enslave him!

873 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:26:31pm

re: #871 mich-again

Ow!

874 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:26:43pm

re: #853 mich-again

Aluminum bats don't belong at the college level.

Aluminum and the DH are the two worst things in baseball. Besides the ego-inflated drug users, that is.

875 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:27:08pm

re: #862 ploome hineni

no they were not

they have totally different culture, beliefs, and society

base, degraded and pagan

the Europeons still are

not my culture at all

Note I said "the idea" Four years with the "average" German was more than enough for me. I thought I might have something in common with them since I have a lot of German blood, but it was like looking into a dark past that we have long since moved away from.

876 Carridine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:27:20pm

re: #872 swamprat
A thousand updings, through tears of joy!

YES!

/part of what Jesus was teaching...

877 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:27:26pm
878 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:28:01pm

re: #867 mich-again

My 13 YO cracked a triple over the right fielder's head yesterday using an aluminum bat. I don't mind them so much for the younger kids because otherwise the parents would be buying a bunch of $75 wooden bats every year. But at the College level, the players are grown men and you almost have to have a death threat to play 3rd base.

They make nearly indestructable composition bats these days that closely mimic hardwood. There's no excuse for metal bats any more.

879 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:28:27pm

re: #866 NY Nana

He has no character. I consider him a sociopath. He is amoral, and is a despicable POS. But he will be judged...and not by us.

I thought possibly APD, but there isn't enough info about his personal life as a child to verify that. It wouldn't be possible, especially since APD tend to exaggerate.

880 mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:28:42pm

re: #874 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Watching the game and hearing that loud "Klank" from the aluminum bat instead of the "Crack" from a wooden bat is most annoying.

881 Carridine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:29:02pm

re: #876 Carridine

I didn't mean to sneer at Americans:
"Give me liberty, or give me death!" --- Patrick Henry

882 ggt  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:29:32pm

Did anyone read this article on PJMedia? Fast Times at Glouchester High.

I agree with the author.

Sometimes, I think the world is turning into a Robert Heinlein novel.

883 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:30:16pm

re: #877 ploome hineni

Very slightly. I can't claim any really intimate knowledge.

884 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:30:37pm

re: #878 really grumpy big dog Johnson

They make nearly indestructable composition bats these days that closely mimic hardwood. There's no excuse for metal bats any more.

What's the reason for using an Al bat? I assume there is one, or they wouldn't be using them. I saw the cost on the wood ones above, are they really that much?

885 mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:31:08pm

re: #877 ploome hineni

do you know any Gypsies?

Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves!

/Cher

886 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:31:36pm
887 yochanan  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:31:47pm

re: #834 Catttt

I remember back in college i ran into a few guys who were Romani when they discouvered my wife was a child of holocoust survivors they let me into there world more than they would normally let non-romani. Because their parents had also been in the camps.. Unlike other groups in the camps the Romani like the jews were there just because of who they were. And they were murdered at about the same % as we were.

888 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:32:48pm

re: #886 ploome hineni

Do they tell you stories? I'm never sure if they're trying to see how much I'll swallow, or what.

889 yochanan  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:33:48pm

re: #862 ploome hineni

I FEEL NO CONECTION TO EUROPA

890 mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:34:15pm

re: #884 CyanSnowHawk

A Drop-3 aluminum bat costs about $250. (that means it weighs 3 ounces less than the length in inches.)

Wooden bats go for $60 to $80.

891 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:34:26pm
892 JeremyR  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:34:45pm

re: #889 yochanan

I FEEL NO CONECTION TO EUROPA

For me its like Minnesota, a nice place to be FROM.

893 solomonpanting  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:34:47pm

ploome hineni

Good evening...what happened in your day in court?

894 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:35:41pm
895 Cartman  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 8:35:43pm