Family and marital disputes?

I presume this means stoning for adultery, Your Lordship?(spit)

Farkin' dhimmi.

The most senior judge in England yesterday gave his blessing to the use of sharia law to resolve disputes among Muslims.

I say bring back dueling.

Another nail in Great Britain's coffin?

And honour killings when the daughter rebels against the father? (a big hoik and spit)

One step closer towards the end of the United Kingdom.

The thin end of a very large wedge.

Um, take a look at his lordship, and the picture further down of the archbishop, and all is explained. Couple of ex-telephone sanitizers.

I take it he is volunteering to bag his wife and daughters when they go out to pay the jizya?

Must be lead in the wig.

And the Red Queen said,
off with her head!

i wonder who bought off "lord chief justice lord phillips?"
(and i'm sure he has a standing ticket out of there and a safe place to go.)
i hope we don't let him in.
coward.

In his speech at an East London mosque, Lord Phillips signalled approval of sharia principles as long as punishments - and divorce rulings - complied with the law of the land.

Uh- they don't, dumbass. I can't imagine anyone who has taken a serious look at shari'a could even think that.

I think we should let Eurabians have it now. They want it so bad........

Lawyers warned that family and marital disputes settled by sharia could disadvantage women or the vulnerable

You think?!? This judge is not fit for the bench.

In September, Lord Phillips is to leave the post to become the chief Law Lord and President of the new Supreme Court when it opens next year.

And what's this new Supreme Court? Anyone know?

M M M My Sharia!

I take it he's not kin to Melanie Phillips.

gay.

In his speech at an East London mosque, Lord Phillips signalled approval of sharia principles as long as punishments - and divorce rulings - complied with the law of the land.

Good luck with that one, King Solomon.

"Appalling" as the Brits would say.

......and where's my hat tip from four threads back :) ?

Lord Chief Justice Lord Phillips said that Islamic legal principles could be employed to deal with family and marital arguments

Honour killings, anyone?

re: #13 Sharmuta

Uh- they don't, dumbass. I can't imagine anyone who has taken a serious look at shari'a could even think that.

And when the first stoning occurs, it'll be the "But,but,they said they wouldn't."
Shocked, he'll be.

re: #21 Alouette

Honour killings, anyone?

I'll pass.

This is really troubling. It's elitists like this Lord Judge ignoring the sentiments of his Countrymen, and possibly English common law, that are driving the electorate into the arms of the fascist BNP.

If we are to take the vocal political voices and media voices of the UK at the face value of all the issues they've spoken of in the last 5 years, it would then appear that the UK is no longer really viable nation and has absolutely no inclination for it's own survival. That is if we accept what the loudmouth's have been saying.

I think it's time for the UK people to embrace freedom and show some testicular fortitude and take back their country from the Socialist interlopers posing as leaders and the media. If they do not then I feel the United States does not have any national interest in maintaining relations with a suicidal sick horse.

Lord Chief Justice Lord Phillips

Isn't a Lord times a Lord a bloody fool?

Well, when the other parts of sharia become law he can be a witness to the amputations and beheadings. (Cultural suicide indeed -- we're not just selling them the rope with which to hang us, we're building the scaffold!)

This keeps up much longer, and we'll see pictures of the Queen in a burqa.

How much more ammo are they going to give to the frickin' BNP?

re: #25 Egfrow

I think it's time for the UK people to embrace freedom and show some testicular fortitude and take back their country from the Socialist interlopers posing as leaders and the media.

The problem is many of them think that only the BNP is the party offering a solution.

re: #20 sbvft contributor

"Appalling" as the Brits would say.

......and where's my hat tip from four threads back :) ?

Here ya go...

He clarifies himself.

The most senior judge in England yesterday gave his blessing to the use of sharia law to resolve disputes among Muslims.

So, I'm guessing that stonings, "honor killings", and marrying seven-year-old girls is just fine and dandy with this "jurist"? What a jackass! The fact that muslims insist on a dual legal system (to be replaced with Sharia law altogether, eventually!) is simply wrong and must be stopped at all costs! Canada and the UK are capitulating rapidly in the name of multiculturalism and "getting along". They bow to their new overloards and smile as the scimitar is dropped across the back of their collective necks, with the blood of their ancestors uselessly spilled in the Great Wars of the 20th Century for freedom from tyranny, NOT the blaind acceptance of it!

This SOB needs to be removed from the bench, however the Brits accomplish this task legally. He has obviously either lost his mind, or is complicit in the islamic takeover of "Great" Britain.

Hard to believe this is the same mighty England that once ruled over Muslim territories

what a pompous, arrogant POS (Lord? not even)

re: #14 winston06

I think we should let Eurabians have it now. They want it so bad........

I'm sure with a little enlightened reasoning this can all be reversed.

/

re: #30 BignJames

why thank you my good man.

I doubt there is another example in all of human history of a culture that is in the ascendent willingly promoting its own destruction and displacement by another and far weaker culture. The West is suicidal. It's not just Europe. The same thing is happening in the US, with CAIR and all the other Islamic groups operating freely and imposing sharia, inch by inch, on the US. The West is the strongest and most successful civilization in the world, yet it is actively engineering its own destruction. Muslims are just doing their thing - they see the weakness and exploit it, because they have clearly defined goals: they imposition of sharia law on the whole world and establishment of a global caliphate. Islam uber alles. Muslims are entirely predictable and could be easily made to choose between assimilation or deportation. But instead the West goes out of its way to aid and abet Islamist goals. Political correctness and multiculturalism are suicide pills.

The final sun set continues.

"There's No England Now" --- Cue the Kinks

Fuck political correctness.

/Mandy off

I miss the days when the PUNKS were the ones taking over Britain.

This is so nuts! I have not been to London since 1995. I was nice then but I remember this Cabby telling all about how the Muslims would come there and party at the hotels doing all the things they could not do back home. I wonder is some of the Muslims miss those days too now that their sharia law has followed them to England.

It's time to finish the Revolution of 76 and extinguish the sickness of oppression found in aristocracies, theocracies, collectivism has been proven to maintain submission and high poverty levels for millenniums.

A letter from a man to his wife, this very day, 232 years ago.

Yesterday the greatest Question was decided, which ever was debated in America, and a greater perhaps, never was or will be decided among Men. A Resolution was passed without one dissenting Colony "that these united Colonies, are, and of right ought to be free and independent States, and as such, they have, and of Right ought to have full Power to make War, conclude Peace, establish Commerce, and to do all the other Acts and Things, which other States may rightfully do." You will see in a few days a Declaration setting forth the Causes, which have impell'd Us to this mighty Revolution, and the Reasons which will justify it, in the Sight of God and Man. A Plan of Confederation will be taken up in a few days.

When I look back to the Year 1761, and recollect the Argument concerning Writs of Assistance, in the Superiour Court, which I have hitherto considered as the Commencement of the Controversy, between Great Britain and America, and run through the whole Period from that Time to this, and recollect the series of political Events, the Chain of Causes and Effects, I am surprized at the Suddenness, as well as Greatness of this Revolution. Britain has been fill'd with Folly, and America with Wisdom, at least this is my judgment. -- Time must determine. It is the Will of Heaven, that the two Countries should be sundered forever. It may be the Will of Heaven that America shall suffer Calamities still more wasting and Distresses yet more dreadfull. If this is to be the Case, it will have this good Effect, at least: it will inspire Us with many Virtues, which We have not, and correct many Errors, Follies, and Vices, which threaten to disturb, dishonour, and destroy Us. -- The Furnace of Affliction produces Refinement, in States as well as Individuals. And the new Governments we are assuming, in every Part, will require a Purification from our Vices, and an Augmentation of our Virtues or they will be no Blessings. The People will have unbounded Power. And the People are extremely addicted to Corruption and Venality, as well as the Great.-- But I must submit all my Hopes and Fears, to an overruling Providence, in which, unfashionable [ as] the Faith may be, I firmly believe.

John Adams to his wife Abigail Adams. July 3, 1776.

re: #26 Timbre

Isn't a Lord times a Lord a bloody fool?

Lord Chief Justice Lord Phillips and Albert Pierrpoint should meet and have a nice quiet necktie party.

This is just plain sad.

re: #43 Egfrow

A most remarkable couple.

re: #41 xenon23

Same thing when Saudi officers come to the US for training at various bases. They drink and party here like it's their last day on Earth because "allah does not see them here" (I've heard that many times from them!). They like to drive across the bridge from Saudi to Bahrain for the very same reasons - drinking, carousing, and "allah can't see them in Bahrain, either!" What a bunch of bastards.

re: #28 Steffan

This keeps up much longer, and we'll see pictures of the Queen in a burqa.

I wouldn't mind seeing Camilla in a burqa.

re: #42 ploome hineni

....and so.... maybe the time has finally arrived to kick islam to the curb.

re: #28 Steffan

"This keeps up much longer, and we'll see pictures of the Queen Charles in a burqa."

re: #48 Alouette

Camilla desperately needs a burka. So does "Prince" Charles!

re: #48 Alouette

I wouldn't mind seeing Camilla in a burqa.

I was leaning toward a saddle, while she chews on an apple...

re: #50 ted

Hasn't he already been spotted in Islamic garb?

Get ready for refugees. Lots of them.

This kind of thing is exactly why I've started skipping the UK on holiday. It's just too depressing.

the purpose of islam is not to convert us all but to spread sharia law everywhere.
that's how they take over and tax the rest of us for not being on board w/ the screed..
in fact they want a nice percentage of infidels to finance their "religious", legal, economic, political and military system.
it is a bad move to toy w/ sharia law superseding the ancient legal system of britain, in any way whatsoever.
once they get in w/ family law, it's all over but the allah ackbarring.

In his speech at an East London mosque, Lord Phillips signalled wiggled, because of the lack of a backbone, approval of sharia principles as long as punishments - and divorce rulings - complied with the law of the land.

Fixed that...much better

re: #31 JammieWearingFool

He clarifies himself.

That doesn't make me feel much better, as incrementalism is one of the islamists favorite methodologies.

He declared: ‘Those entering into a contractual agreement can agree that the agreement shall be governed by a law other than English law.’

That's very true, stipulation of governing law is common in contracts.

/I'm guessing Muslims won't be satisfied with just contract law though

re: #54 jones

Get ready for refugees. Lots of them.

It's probably fitting to re-open Ellis Island and close the southern borders. We keep importing the uneducated illegals while brushing off those who are educated and productive.

The Canadian province of Ontario, as I recall, rejected Sharia Law after the usual flirtation, due in part to public outrage. There are still some Brits willing to get outraged and I'm pulling for them.

Rule Britannia!

Stick a fork in Great Britain. They are done.

I have less problems with this than others on this site. If two individuals wish to enter into a contract and want to stipulate that the laws of the state of Mississippi or Wyoming or New Zealand or Saudi Arabia govern the interpretation of the provisions of the contract so be it. The contract was freely and openly arrived and and entered into.

I have a problem with automatically applying Sharia law to disputes between Muslims in the absence of a specific contract. I do not see the Chief Justice saying that he advocates automatically applying Sharia law in those situations. In those situations Common law applies.

re: #60 Egfrow

just one example....

Cuban "boat" people in 1959 Buick...

"Before his speech, Lord Phillips was escorted through the Muslim centre in the East End of London."

Well, that shows he's impartial...

re: #61 Drained Brain

Rule Britannia!

There, much better.

Second Letter, This Day, July 3rd, 1776.

Had a Declaration of Independency been made seven Months ago, it would have been attended with many great and glorious Effects . . . . We might before this Hour, have formed Alliances with foreign States. -- We should have mastered Quebec and been in Possession of Canada .... You will perhaps wonder, how such a Declaration would have influenced our Affairs, in Canada, but if I could write with Freedom I could easily convince you, that it would, and explain to you the manner how. -- Many Gentlemen in high Stations and of great Influence have been duped, by the ministerial Bubble of Commissioners to treat .... And in real, sincere Expectation of this effort Event, which they so fondly wished, they have been slow and languid, in promoting Measures for the Reduction of that Province. Others there are in the Colonies who really wished that our Enterprise in Canada would be defeated, that the Colonies might be brought into Danger and Distress between two Fires, and be thus induced to submit. Others really wished to defeat the Expedition to Canada, lest the Conquest of it, should elevate the Minds of the People too much to hearken to those Terms of Reconciliation which they believed would be offered Us. These jarring Views, Wishes and Designs, occasioned an opposition to many salutary Measures, which were proposed for the Support of that Expedition, and caused Obstructions, Embarrassments and studied Delays, which have finally, lost Us the Province.

All these Causes however in Conjunction would not have disappointed Us, if it had not been for a Misfortune, which could not be foreseen, and perhaps could not have been prevented, I mean the Prevalence of the small Pox among our Troops .... This fatal Pestilence compleated our Destruction. -- It is a Frown of Providence upon Us, which We ought to lay to heart.

But on the other Hand, the Delay of this Declaration to this Time, has many great Advantages attending it. -- The Hopes of Reconciliation, which were fondly entertained by Multitudes of honest and well meaning tho weak and mistaken People, have been gradually and at last totally extinguished. -- Time has been given for the whole People, maturely to consider the great Question of Independence and to ripen their judgments, dissipate their Fears, and allure their Hopes, by discussing it in News Papers and Pamphletts, by debating it, in Assemblies, Conventions, Committees of Safety and Inspection, in Town and County Meetings, as well as in private Conversations, so that the whole People in every Colony of the 13, have now adopted it, as their own Act. -- This will cement the Union, and avoid those Heats and perhaps Convulsions which might have been occasioned, by such a Declaration Six Months ago.

But the Day is past. The Second Day of July 1776, will be the most memorable Epocha, in the History of America.

I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated, by succeeding Generations, as the great anniversary Festival. It ought to be commemorated, as the Day of Deliverance by solemn Acts of Devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized with Pomp and Parade, with Shews, Games, Sports, Guns, Bells, Bonfires and Illuminations from one End of this Continent to the other from this Time forward forever more.

You will think me transported with Enthusiasm but I am not. -- I am well aware of the Toil and Blood and Treasure, that it will cost Us to maintain this Declaration, and support and defend these States. -- Yet through all the Gloom I can see the Rays of ravishing Light and Glory. I can see that the End is more than worth all the Means. And that Posterity will tryumph in that Days Transaction, even altho We should rue it, which I trust in God We shall not.

re: #62 Dahveed

I think they're a long ways from being finished but they have some serious problems.

The loud "THUNK" you heard was the sun finally setting on the British Empire.

re: #63 Not a Yank

Except with shari'a law between a man and a woman in a marital dispute, do you really think the woman would necessarily know any better or have much of a choice?

re: #64 WindHorse

just one example....

Cuban "boat" people in 1959 Buick...

That's quite a bit more clever than jumping fences.

He just wants to be able to behead the defendants.

re: #70 Sharmuta

Except with shari'a law between a man and a woman in a marital dispute, do you really think the woman would necessarily know any better or have much of a choice?

Or chance.

re: #42 ploome hineni

The Canadian Council of Muslim Women similarly says, "We want the same laws to apply to us as to other Canadian women." But Syed Mumtaz Ali—the lawyer demanding that sharia be made available under the Arbitration Act—last month declared that Muslims cannot live under secular law alone: "Every act of your life is to be governed by [sharia]. If you are not obeying the law, you are not a Muslim. That's all there is to it."

[Link: www.slate.com...]

they are real bullshit artists. as long as they want to conduct themselves socially among themselves and not violate any of our laws. fine.

but that is not what they are after. they are forcing the issue of sharia law on us. they are pushing to change our system. not to integrate their beliefs in a benign way that doesn't harm society over all.

they are sneaky bastards using their "religious grievance" tactics to push their society and and all the ugly backward stone age debilitating shit that goes w/ it.

THe truth is that in Canada other groups have this right. For instance orthodox Jews have long chosen to have business disputes and family law issues decided by a Beit Dein or religious court. The trick is of course that the religious law must not contradict Canadian Law. I see no reason to deny muslims the same right. the trouble is I dont see how Sharia law can be consistent with the common law of Britain, particularly in areas related to family law.

re: #47 6pat6

Allah can't see them? Are they that stupid or do they really just mean that their Sharia Law police can't see them!

re: #64 WindHorse

I was also reading some letter from Thomas Jefferson to James Madison in regards to Cuba, Thomas Jefferson believed Cuba should have been made a State early on because it was the gateway to this Hemispere. This was during the conceptualization of the Monroe Doctrine.

re: #51 6pat6

Camilla is actually a gutsy lady. Read michael yon's piece regarding her.

-ron

re: #70 Sharmuta

Except with shari'a law between a man and a woman in a marital dispute, do you really think the woman would necessarily know any better or have much of a choice?

Yeah, that's a problem.

/contract law assumes that both parties understand the contract and the parties have equal bargaining power (no coercion) in negotiating the terms of the contract

re: #24 Sharmuta

This is really troubling. It's elitists like this Lord Judge ignoring the sentiments of his Countrymen, and possibly English common law, that are driving the electorate into the arms of the fascist BNP.

My understanding is that much of British law has been superseded by EU law.

re: #75 petero

If it's a shari'a contract between two men, I guess I don't have much of a problem, but I have to draw the line at shari'a family law.

re: #70 Sharmuta

Except with shari'a law between a man and a woman in a marital dispute, do you really think the woman would necessarily know any better or have much of a choice?

Agree, since women are not seen as equals under shari'a law. It's not like both parties would enter into this contract of free will.

Plus, the Muslims that support shari'a believe everyone should live under shari'a.

Shari'a Law is opposed to all secular law.

To not know this should disqualify the judge from office.

The question one should ask is, are other (non Muslim) religious laws/rulings/jurisprudence, which are not in violation with English common law, allowed to be used in family, marital, and financial disputes in Britain? If they are, then one can make the case, that Muslims should be allowed to have their own right of arbitration, because the precedent has already been set.

However, Sharia Law is such a nasty thing, that I'd rather seem them void all non secular approaches, than allow any of it to be implemented in a Western society.

re: #71 Egfrow

One wonders how many of these "types" would be: a) Whining about who had offended them, b) Whining about who owed them something, c) Whining about anything, d) Not working, e) Etc.

We are so lucky for everything we have in this country and there are so many people here who are so completely clueless about what they have and how the rest of the world "coexists".

I can no longer respect the UK nor another culture who lays down to die without a fight. If we would have know this would happen within 60 years after liberating Europe during WWII I bet many of our fallen patriots would have not wasted the lives and treasure to do so. I can imagine this now.

Sharia is inevitable in England, and the rest of the West as well. The demographics are in its favor, and the multi-culti indoctrination that passes as education in today's schools renders our societies incapable of resisting.

There are no longer any core Western values to defend... they have been deconstructed away, shredded from inside by the neo-primitives of the left, who long ago realized that civil society was their biggest enemy. The two-tiered societies of the non-Western world are perfectly suited to the needs of the socialist and the marxist... totalitarian by nature, with a needy populace looking upward to the government for sustenance and protection.

Diana West got it right. Read this interview from yesterday's NRO... she sees it all too clearly.

The left had the easy job... destruction is simpler than building, and selling "hey... nothing really matters" is a cakewalk in a wealthy society. Neglect always brings decay... convince people to accept "anything goes" as a moral position, and entropy takes care of the rest.

#31 JammieWearingFool
He clarifies himself.

Sounds like he pulled an obama.

p.s. Isn't there still someone over there with a little Churchill blood in them?

This is a quote from Michael Yon regarding Lady Camilla:

Besides, I wanted to meet her to tell her one thing. I had come to learn that these soldiers are quick to praise others but reticent on all matters relating to personal or individual acclaim. The famous British reserve is ever strong, and I wondered if it might prevent the men from telling her directly what the soldiers had told me so often. So when the commander introduced me to Lady Camilla and we had our short and very public meeting before all those cameras, I told Lady Camilla that her handwritten letters to the soldiers were very important to them. That I could tell that they were cherished in a way that went beyond polite acknowledgment. In that brief exchange it was clear to this American with no sense of Royalty that her devotion to these soldiers also went beyond the expected call of duty. She had made it a point to know what they were going through and she had made it a point to let them know how valued their service to their country was in her esteem. Once the formal ceremony concluded the press slowly evaporated but she stayed for hours in the gym, spending time talking informally with any and all the soldiers and their families, without an entourage.

re: #75 petero

I disagree with Jews and Christians using this too. Of course private disputes can be handled by a Rabbi or Imam and contracts can be drawn up any way people choose but legal disputes should be dealt with by the state not the church/mosque.

Britain committing cultural suicide plus a housing market that is crashing worse and harder then ours (This is why Northern Rock mortgage company was nationalized over there). Plus , in continental Europe there is the same creeping Islamization plus 4% inflation. Selling the Pound and Euro is going to be real profitable soon.

Well, I hate to say it, but ....
If you look at his words in context and with your "How will this work in reality" filter off, his comment isn't that controversial.
It is a simple Choice of Laws/Arbitration clause in a contract.
You usually sign the same type of thing when you sign a contract that says "this contract will be judged by the laws of Delaware" etc.

So, on your law school exam, Sharia in England under this type of thing is acceptable and the correct answer, with the limitation of judicial review for grievous error (I forget the exact words, it has been a while).

But as Cartman at #19 said, "Good luck with that one, King Solomon."

No way this is going to work on par with normal arbitration and choice of law contracts that specify Catholic or Jewish canon law. No way the Muslims are going to play their game within the limitations of British law.
These people are masters of "give me an inch, I'll take a mile".

they are too fcking vocal and obnoxious w/ their demands.
get the fck out of modern society and the civilized world.

There is only one possible response to these "reasonable" requests from the Muslim communities.

NO! Every single time, the answer should be a resounding NO!

There is no basis to trust them on. Their culture is based on hatred, oppression and treachery. This constant capitulation does nothing but lead them to the conclusion that they are winning (they are) and to keep it up.

Until such a time as they have proven they can be trusted, which means stop trying to kill everyone in sight and a putting the 24/7 seethe cycle to an end, then every "deal" worked out with them is another victory for them.

Wishing everyone a happy 4th. A warm thanks to all veterans, alive and dead, on whose shoulders we in the US of A stand. All gave some, but some gave all. This thread is a fitting reminder of why we choose Independence. I would much rather be a Citizen than a Subject.

re: #89 ballantrae

When I learned of The Duchess' kindness to the troops of her nation, my respect for her multiplied a thousand fold.

re: #95 rawmuse

It's also a reminder to keep a close eye on you pets. Make sure all of our four legged friends are inside and safe.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Given the correct literary (and modern) interpretation of "men" to mean "people", and that "all" still means "all", sharia in its modern practice is antithetical to the American nation. Would that the UK felt likewise about their nation.

re: #87 stevieray

I disagree with the "Rest of the West" portion of your argument. Not while I breathe. Not within my physical reach. The 5-4 vote on the Second has disturbed me to no end. This is a dangerous situation in human history and we will have to fight like no other generation before has ever considered.

Give them a inch and they'll take...and take...and take...and take...

re: #85 WindHorse

(I didn't mean "here" at LGF..... I meant "here" in the US....)

Far too many muslimas have no idea of the precious few rights the koran does give them, so for a muslima to "agree" to a shari'a contract and to assume she understand what she's getting herself into is both a gross assumption and a dereliction of the laws of her Western nation to protect her rights.

re: #100 jorline

Give them a inch and they'll take...and take...and take...and take...

just look around the world for proof of your statement.
and it's on going.

We should start a petition to allow the Citizens of the UK to adopt our Declaration of Independence. This will prove that there is a will to live even if it's just a scrap. That would be enough.

re: #97 Killgore Trout

I not only have all my pets, but those of my neighbors as well! The wife is with her Mom, the neighbors are all off Lord knows where. I have gigs in town this weekend, so, I get the pet duties. I have 4 dogs as charges and 2 cats. They are all being kept inside, but not all with me. I feel flattered that I have 4 neighbors that have trusted me with keys to their houses, and they are all Libs, but who cares, they are neighbors first. This one dog is a nice hound, we sing together. It is good for the soul.

Happy 4th to one of my fave posters, KT!

Stars and Stripes Forever

re: #102 Sharmuta

Far too many muslimas have no idea of the precious few rights the koran does give them, so for a muslima to "agree" to a shari'a contract and to assume she understand what she's getting herself into is both a gross assumption and a dereliction of the laws of her Western nation to protect her rights.

That's all true.

/but more often than not, she doesn't want to be protected, think FLDS in Texas

re: #103 nyc redneck

just look around the world for proof of your statement.
and it's on going.

They're never happy with muslims living under their own laws. Everyone and everything offends them; therefore they feel everyone should live under their laws...even if they're a guest or immigrant in that country.

I wonder if these women had a sharia labor contract:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

re: #105 rawmuse

Cheers!

re: #89 ballantrae

This is a quote from Michael Yon regarding Lady Camilla:

Very charming.

re: #107 Killian Bundy

FLDS Woman sell clothing on the internet

Did you see that the woman from the FLDS are selling clothing on the internet now?

re: #109 jaunte

I wonder if these women had a sharia labor contract:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Dont be silly. Everyone knows when the case is Sharia versus silly local customs, like the rule of law or basic decency, Sharia has precedence.

re: #94 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

There is only one possible response to these "reasonable" requests from the Muslim communities.

NO! Every single time, the answer should be a resounding NO!

There is no basis to trust them on. Their culture is based on hatred, oppression and treachery. This constant capitulation does nothing but lead them to the conclusion that they are winning (they are) and to keep it up.

Until such a time as they have proven they can be trusted, which means stop trying to kill everyone in sight and a putting the 24/7 seethe cycle to an end, then every "deal" worked out with them is another victory for them.

Otherwise it will be like a camel with it's nose in the tent. Smelly and large.

re: #113 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oil money talks.

re: #112 xenon23

FLDS Woman sell clothing on the internet

Did you see that the woman from the FLDS are selling clothing on the internet now?

They were told by the social workers that they had to get apartments, find jobs and put their children in day care.

Update: [Link: business.timesonline.co.uk...]

re: #105 rawmuse

I not only have all my pets, but those of my neighbors as well! The wife is with her Mom, the neighbors are all off Lord knows where. I have gigs in town this weekend, so, I get the pet duties. I have 4 dogs as charges and 2 cats. They are all being kept inside, but not all with me. I feel flattered that I have 4 neighbors that have trusted me with keys to their houses, and they are all Libs, but who cares, they are neighbors first. This one dog is a nice hound, we sing together. It is good for the soul.

Happy 4th to one of my fave posters, KT!

The most trustworthy character on the block - maybe because they also know not to trust each other.

re: #116 DistantThunder

So this is there new job? What's hairdo tips!

re: #47 6pat6

This would explain why the 9/11 hijackers spent a lot of time in various South Florida strip bars before the 11th.

re: #115 jaunte

Oil money talks.

So do big sticks.

I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, I'm not, but with all the petro dollars moving into the Muslim world has anyone else thought that maybe the Wahabbis are bribing folks like Rowan Williams, this judge and other lawmakers/people of influence to say and support nice things about Islam?

re: #119 xenon23

So this is there new job? What's hairdo tips!

They must have been getting requests. i can see how costume people and re-enactors would want them.

re: #112 xenon23

FLDS Woman sell clothing on the internet

Did you see that the woman from the FLDS are selling clothing on the internet now?

Yeah, I saw that.

/and their lifestyle is actually illegal in the U.S., go figure

re: #122 chicagodudewhotrades

I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, I'm not, but with all the petro dollars moving into the Muslim world has anyone else thought that maybe the Wahabbis are bribing folks like Rowan Williams, this judge and other lawmakers/people of influence to say and support nice things about Islam?

Very possible. Or is the guy just a dangerous naive liberal old fool, also possible.

islam is never good for women, infidels or believers either.

re: #123 DistantThunder

When follywood make a movie about then they can buy the wardrobes from this site.

re: #124 Killian Bundy

Yeah, I saw that.

/and their lifestyle is actually illegal in the U.S., go figure

Their lifestyle is not illegal if you are referring to living as polygamists because they are not officially married by a legal authority.

re: #42 ploome hineni

CTV

"McGuinty rules out use of sharia law in Ontario

"Updated Mon. Sep. 12 2005 11:31 PM ET

"Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty says there will be no sharia law in his province and that he will move to ban all faith-based arbitrations.

"Seeking to end months of debate, McGuinty said he would not let his province become the first Western government to allow the use of Islamic law to settle family disputes and that the boundaries between church and state would become clearer by banning religious arbitration completely.

"'There will be no Shariah law in Ontario. There will be no religious arbitration in Ontario. There will be one law for all Ontarians,' McGuinty told The Canadian Press..."

Democrats:

STOP THE ENERGY TORTURE!

re: #124 Killian Bundy

I am in Texas and I was shocked that we just let them have their kids back. They are lucky it was not Janet Reno who went after them!

re: #69 tyro1

The loud "THUNK" you heard was the sun finally setting on the British Empire.

The Ravens at the Tower of London where last seen by Beef eaters, packing their wee bags, and booking flights out of the United Kingdom.

re: #122 chicagodudewhotrades

I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, I'm not, but with all the petro dollars moving into the Muslim world has anyone else thought that maybe the Wahabbis are bribing folks like Rowan Williams, this judge and other lawmakers/people of influence to say and support nice things about Islam?

of course that is happening. it's 'soft jihad'.
i bet a lot of these people are being bought off.
(hoping the croc eats them last)
miserable jerks.

Jihad's Plan C, in action

Since 9/11, Islamist terror movements have been debating grand strategy. Osama bin Laden had theorized that the “infidel,” led by the United States, would crumble after a series of spectacular attacks, just as the Meccan “infidel” government did when the Prophet Muhammad launched deadly raids against its trade routes. Yet the 9/11 attacks didn’t lead to an “infidel” retreat. On the contrary, the “Great Satan” hit back hard.

That persuaded some al Qaeda leaders that a new strategy of smaller, slower but steadier attacks was needed. Ayman al-Zawahiri, al Qaeda’s No. 2, has advocated such a strategy since 2003, arguing that the jihad should first target Muslim countries where it has a chance of toppling the incumbent regimes.

Now Naji takes that analysis a step further - suggesting that low-intensity war be extended to anywhere in the world with a significant Muslim presence. Islamists in the “wilderness” must create parallel societies alongside existing ones, Naji says - but not set up formal governments, which would be subject to economic pressure or military attack. … In a notable departure from past al Qaeda strategy, Naji recommends “countless small operations” that render daily life unbearable, rather than a few spectacular attacks such as 9/11: The “infidel,” leaving his home every morning, should be unsure whether he’ll return in the evening. Naji recommends kidnappings, the holding of hostages, the use of women and children as human shields, exhibition killings to terrorize the enemy, suicide bombings and countless gestures that make normal life impossible for the “infidel” and Muslim collaborators.

Once parallel societies are established throughout the world, they would exert pressure on non-Muslims to submit. Naji believes that, subjected to constant intimidation and fear of death, most non-Muslims (especially in the West) would submit: “The West has no stomach for a long fight.”

The only Western power still capable of resisting is the United States, he believes. But that, too, will change once President Bush is gone.

re: #128 DistantThunder

Their lifestyle is not illegal if you are referring to living as polygamists because they are not officially married by a legal authority.

/underage "marriage" is a felony called child rape

Maybe we should colonize Britain...........Tomorrow. Now that would be Ironic.

re: #136 Tarkus289

Maybe we should colonize Britain...........Tomorrow. Now that would be Ironic.

Don't think I have not seriously thought about that. What we should do is what we do in other countries dominated by malaise and oppression, stoke revolution!

re: #130 DistantThunder

Democrats:

STOP THE ENERGY TORTURE!

Drill Here, Drill Now, or Look for another job come November!

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

[cont]

[cont]

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

[cont]

[cont]

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.

[cont]

[cont]

— John Hancock

New Hampshire:
Josiah Bartlett, William Whipple, Matthew Thornton

Massachusetts:
John Hancock, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Robert Treat Paine, Elbridge Gerry

Rhode Island:
Stephen Hopkins, William Ellery

Connecticut:
Roger Sherman, Samuel Huntington, William Williams, Oliver Wolcott

New York:
William Floyd, Philip Livingston, Francis Lewis, Lewis Morris

New Jersey:
Richard Stockton, John Witherspoon, Francis Hopkinson, John Hart, Abraham Clark

Pennsylvania:
Robert Morris, Benjamin Rush, Benjamin Franklin, John Morton, George Clymer, James Smith, George Taylor, James Wilson, George Ross

Delaware:
Caesar Rodney, George Read, Thomas McKean

Maryland:
Samuel Chase, William Paca, Thomas Stone, Charles Carroll of Carrollton

Virginia:
George Wythe, Richard Henry Lee, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Harrison, Thomas Nelson, Jr., Francis Lightfoot Lee, Carter Braxton

North Carolina:
William Hooper, Joseph Hewes, John Penn

South Carolina:
Edward Rutledge, Thomas Heyward, Jr., Thomas Lynch, Jr., Arthur Middleton

Georgia:
Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, George Walton

re: #137 Egfrow

Don't think I have not seriously thought about that. What we should do is what we do in other countries dominated by malaise and oppression, stoke revolution!

Personally, I'm looking south of the border. From the halls of Montezuma isn't just a snappy catch phrase. They want to come up here, we might as well just take it down there. We'll have to clean house first, of course.

re: #122 chicagodudewhotrades

I don't think so. Why bother bribing people who are inherently weak willed?

This is from the Onion, right?
Actually this is beyond mad. Why doesn't Great Britain just get rid of the monarchy, Parliament and give the country to the mullahs. This death by a thousand cuts has to be torture.

Remember, tomorrow is also the the anniversary of the EL- AL incident, those who pray, say one for the victims and families.

re: #145 pingjockey

This is from the Onion, right?
Actually this is beyond mad. Why doesn't Great Britain just get rid of the monarchy, Parliament and give the country to the mullahs. This death by a thousand cuts has to be torture.

Unfortunately, the evidence of the last 8 years is overwhelming towards this to be near true.

Why did we even bother with Normandy?

re: #146 Tarkus289
Also one of the greatest rescues ever pulled off. Entebbe, 1976.

I'm becoming more and more fond of embracing Isolationism. We have to circle the wagons.

re: #148 Egfrow
Make the mind boggle. Let's give up Western civilization to lunatic medieval morons.

re: #148 Egfrow

Why did we even bother with Normandy?

Because it was the right thing to do. We may have to do it again someday if they keep carrying on like this.

re: #148 Egfrow

Why did we even bother with Normandy?

/or Belleau Wood

re: #150 Egfrow

I'm becoming more and more fond of embracing Isolationism. We have to circle the wagons.

Your best defense is a good offense.

re: #148 Egfrow

Why did we even bother with Normandy?

It seemed like a good idea at the time.

re: #150 Egfrow

I'm becoming more and more fond of embracing Isolationism. We have to circle the wagons.

Ron Paul!
/

re: #149 pingjockey

I need to get a copy of the movie they made about that, but it would probably not be as impressive as the documentaries I've seen.

re: #150 Egfrow

I'm becoming more and more fond of embracing Isolationism. We have to circle the wagons.

I think the islamists would love nothing better than for the US to become isolationists.

re: #151 pingjockey

Make the mind boggle. Let's give up Western civilization to lunatic medieval morons.

Western Civilization is giving up on themselves. At this point in time, I don't see the Majority of "Western Civilization" actually having anything in common with Unites States Civilization despite what the MSM want us to believe. The West, which is outside the USA has no incentive to to defend themselves because they know we are here to save their asses. It's a sense of entitlement servitude.

I would much prefer to isolate them, for at least a few centuries, give them time to catch up.

Happy Quarto de Julio everyone!

Do you know how many people approve of your congress this fine Independence Day eve?

re: #150 Egfrow

I'm becoming more and more fond of embracing Isolationism. We have to circle the wagons.

It might seem the thing to do, but isolation is not the way to win. There isn't a fortress that hasn't been breached, the Maginot line didn't help the French, and three countries a year fell to communism during Carter's isolationism. If we stop engaging they will come to our shore one day.

re: #156 Cartman

Ron Paul!
/

Ron Paul is an Anarchist. He want's no government despite the rhetoric Libertarians have plagiarized and distorted, they want absolutism, aka do what you feel is good.

re: #155 itellu3times

It seemed like a good idea at the time.

/actually, it didn't at the time, although they went ahead anyway after much discussion and trepidation, despite the odds

re: #157 Tarkus289
The movie had Charles Bronson, a Very young James Woods, and a buncha folks I know and can't recall names for. It was a Movie of the Week back in the days of 3 networks!

The judiciaries of Western democracies have traditionally been the guardians of the freedom of individuals from oppressive legislative acts. This role has carried with it a natural and healthy bias in favour of the rights of individuals to deal with their property in whatever way they see fit, so long as they stay within the boundaries of the recognized criminal laws, land use statutes and civil liberties of the society.
So far so good.
But when fanatical religious elements within society seek to impose upon others property agreements and codes of conduct which are foreign and antithetical to the basic values of the larger society, such as Sharia law, these judiciaries are legally bound to refuse to enforce such agreements.
Gratuitous political pronouncements and speeches by senior judges such as the one by Britain's top judge are extremely dangerous and outside the traditional and proper role of the judiciary. Judges are not politicians or advocates - they are supposed to decide legal cases based on the evidence before them. In such cases, the judge is required to hear evidence to fairly determine whether the parties' agreements were coerced by religious leaders or family members. The judge must also determine whether the particular elements of Sharia at play in the case before him/her are outside the pale of the basic values of the larger society. None of this takes place when a judge chooses to shoot off his/her mouth in public like a common advocate or politician.
Such conduct by judges, smacking of partiality and politics, is destructive of the integrity and impartiality of the judicial system and must not be tolerated.

re: #164 Killian Bundy

/actually, it didn't at the time, although they went ahead anyway after much discussion and trepidation, despite the odds

A continental invasion is not a tea party.

BTW: This move by the judge plays right into AQ's new strategy as laid out in their recent manifesto.

re: #162 Thanos

It might seem the thing to do, but isolation is not the way to win. There isn't a fortress that hasn't been breached, the Maginot line didn't help the French, and three countries a year fell to communism during Carter's isolationism. If we stop engaging they will come to our shore one day.

I'm all about the offensive, but this is not the true state of our immediate prospects, we are already on the defense from attacks within. We have to spend our resources on a breach that has already occurred. Then we can re-focus. Right now, We have an internal cancer that needs to be removed.

I guess the white cliffs of Dover are turning to sand. Despicable, just despicable.

re: #165 pingjockey

I'm sure you know about James Woods and the 9/11 hijackers thing.

re: #167 itellu3times

A continental invasion is not a tea party.

/especially in horrendous weather that wasn't part of the plan

re: #163 Egfrow

Ron Paul is an Anarchist. He want's no government despite the rhetoric Libertarians have plagiarized and distorted, they want absolutism, aka do what you feel is good.

I agree. I was just pointing out that Ron Paul is also definitely an isolationist

re: #171 Tarkus289
No, what? I know he is not a raving leftist. How he gets work in Hollyweird is beyond me.

re: #169 Egfrow

I'm going to say it again- the islamists would love nothing more than for us to retreat from the international scene.

We fought two fronts in WWII and kept our country safe- we can do it again.

re: #169 Egfrow

I'm all about the offensive, but this is not the true state of our immediate prospects, we are already on the defense from attacks within. We have to spend our resources on a breach that has already occurred. Then we can re-focus. Right now, We have an internal cancer that needs to be removed.

Who's this we? We are still kicking ass, there's no rot from within that hasn't always been there, and it's never won over long periods of time.

I'm assuming that you are from the US from your icon, and not England.

re: #175 Sharmuta
We have no choice. Fight them over there or end up like the mess the Israelis have with bombs going off in Pizza Hut.

re: #150 Egfrow

I'm becoming more and more fond of embracing Isolationism. We have to circle the wagons.

Nothing makes you a sitting duck like a defensive position. Look at all the successes in modern times, the Maginot line for instance.
Infantry motto Shoot, Move, Communicate.
Shoot first, if you aren't shooting you'd best be reloading while you adjust your position. You sit too long, they get a bead on you and then the arty hits fast and hard. As you move, let your buds know where you are, where the enemy is, and what both are doing, it keeps the shots heading in the right direction.

My avatar is from the first Minnesota Infantry, now the 135th. The were devestated in battle several times, but always on the offensive. When sent to relieve the second Iowa who had become trapped, they accomplished their mission, bringing out the Iowa unit nearly intact. The 1st Minnesota suffered over 70% casualties.
Had they not gone in, the Iowans would have been anhilated.

the way we allow these barbarian thugs into our civilized world and make pain staking efforts to accommodate them, is just absurd.
it's like allowing an ancient extinct breed of hominid ie. homo neanderthalensis, into our world and actually give them a lot of say into how it's going to be w/ our laws, culture, society and politics.
why would we do that?

re: #176 Thanos

...there's no rot from within that hasn't always been there, and it's never won over long periods of time.

Well, massive illegal immigration might come to mind?

When al-Q says "The West has no stomach for a long fight" I have to laugh. For me, living in the world they envision is unthinkable. I have no stomach for it. The very thought of it makes me feel like I'm being asphyxiated. I will fight them as long as it takes. Surrender is simply not an option for me. Endless war ending in violent death actually seems quite pleasant compared to the slow suffocation of a liberty-less life.

What Is Patriotism?

John Sidney McCain III- "Putting The Country First"

Barack Hussein Obama II- "Faith In One Another As Americans"

Whose vision of patriotism is closest to your own?

Very sad & disturbing when you witness a Western Democracy begin to readily submit to Barbarians.
The law of the land is the law of the land. That should apply to all. Once again the darkness is emboldened

re: #160 Tarkus289

I would much prefer to isolate them, for at least a few centuries, give them time to catch up.

Thats a luagh, isolate them for a few centuries and they will kill them selves off.

re: #177 pingjockey

We have no choice. Fight them over there or end up like the mess the Israelis have with bombs going off in Pizza Hut.

Hamas and Hezbollah cells already operate freely within the United States.

/they don't attack us on our own soil because they don't want to queer their fundraising

re: #180 Cartman

Well, massive illegal immigration might come to mind?

Honestly I'm a lot more worried about our energy future, creeping socialism, missile defense, our Military budget, and taxes.

Illegal immigration is bad but it's not the worst of our woes.

re: #184 JeremyR

They've had a 1000 years to catch up and haven't done it yet.

Add this judge's opinion to that of the Archbishop of Canterbury and I see the culture, history and sovereignty of the UK eroding at an alarming rate. It appears that Europeans are not capable of assimilating the large number of immigrants in their midst. The US has it's problems with immigration from time to time, but we always seem to work it out.....If they do not start insisting on keeping their way of life, and insisting soon, the UK as we know it will cease to exist.

re: #184 JeremyR

Thats a luagh, isolate them for a few centuries and they will kill them selves off.

Like in Pakistan right now.

re: #174 pingjockey

No, not a leftist at all. He was on an airline flight a few weeks (I think) before 9/11, he witnessed some of the highjackers doing what look like a dry run, on the morning of 9/11 he called the FBI to report what he had witnessed, they told him thank you for the tip. The next morning at 7:00 am., several officers were at his house and spoke with him for a long time, when he asked if they thought it was important, they said we received tens of thousands of tips, and four of us just spent the entire morning with you. He said O.K.

I'm out for a bit, need to figure out what I am going to do about a banner...

re: #184 JeremyR

Your point?

re: #185 Killian Bundy
That is a valid point. Cut off all their damn money. However, the Majik Kingdom still funds a whole lot of shit. Drill our own oil and cut off at least our funding terrorists. Of course the Chicoms and whoever else buys SA oil will still be providing funding for lunatics.

re: #187 pingjockey

They've had a 1000 years to catch up and haven't done it yet.

And the only reason they haven't killed themselves off is because they can get out and attack civilization.

re: #175 Sharmuta

Of course, you can't keep reaching out when your footing is being eaten away by termites. You have to address that front first. My point being, I want a push outward, but our internal strength is being compromised under most Americans radar. We have to create cohesion and re-enforce what we are to give us strength to take this greater task on. It is not the responsibility for the USA to be the world's savior. But should reach out to those who reach out to us. When they resist every attempt at a life preserver we throw at them then it is just a wast of time. Our internal issues are a great danger and must be addressed before continuing on with strength. Right now the MSM is showing the world we want to be just like them, abiet not really true to us, but it is to them and this is depressing them. When re retake our own national pride back from the broadcasting of these falsehoods and deceptions we can then take control or our real message and continue our obligation at promoting and taking on the enemies. Tbis is not really isloationism but just more like a re-grouping, Being Altruist at the cost of our own needs is evil.

re: #186 Thanos

Honestly I'm a lot more worried about our energy future, creeping socialism, missile defense, our Military budget, and taxes.

Illegal immigration is bad but it's not the worst of our woes.

But it negatively impacts either directly or indirectly each one of the concerns you just outlined.

re: #190 Tarkus289
Cool. TSA has its collective head so far up its ass a oil drill couldn't find it.

re: #184 JeremyR

Agreed the only reason they are a problem is because of oil money. Within 50 years or so (hopefully sooner) that money is going to dry up. After that they will be an unfixable welfare burden like sub-Saharan Africa but they won't be a threat to Western society.

/sounds like Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan... just sayin

re: #195 Egfrow

Retreat in the eyes of the islamists is weakness! It is against our national interests to recede into isolationism.

Top nut judge.

re: #179 nyc redneck

the way we allow these barbarian thugs into our civilized world and make pain staking efforts to accommodate them, is just absurd.
it's like allowing an ancient extinct breed of hominid ie. homo neanderthalensis, into our world and actually give them a lot of say into how it's going to be w/ our laws, culture, society and politics.
why would we do that?

Cheap labour.
Politics.
Hubris.

re: #194 JeremyR
Yep. If they ever get their damn Caliphate, the bloodbath of who is actually speaking for allah(stan) will make the Holocaust seem as nothing.

re: #199 Thanos

/sounds like Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan... just sayin

What/who does?

re: #160 Tarkus289
I would much prefer to isolate them, for at least a few centuries, give them time to catch up.

re: #184 JeremyR
Thats a luagh, isolate them for a few centuries and they will kill them selves off.

I don't know about you, but that works for me. Let them solve the problem for us by doing themselves in.

re: #200 Sharmuta

It's not retreating when you are fighting inside your own lines.

re: #192 Tarkus289

Your point?

I don't think they will catch up, they have had exposure and many chances to assimilate. they are a backasswards culture. They would turn on each other if they could not find infidels to strike at. Their religion of piis commands them to attack anyone with diffrent beliefs which is why there are more Pali on Pali murders then killings of Palis by IDF and killings of IDF by palis every week.

re: #188 Desert Dog

Add this judge's opinion to that of the Archbishop of Canterbury and I see the culture, history and sovereignty of the UK eroding at an alarming rate. It appears that Europeans are not capable of assimilating the large number of immigrants in their midst. The US has it's problems with immigration from time to time, but we always seem to work it out.....If they do not start insisting on keeping their way of life, and insisting soon, the UK as we know it will cease to exist.

It certainly is a one-two punch.

I think I feel sick. What is wrong with those Brits? Do you think the average British citizen feels this way?

re: #204 Cartman

What/who does?

The call for isolationism.

re: #209 DebbieSym

I think I feel sick. What is wrong with those Brits? Do you think the average British citizen feels this way?

no, less so now more than ever.

re: #207 JeremyR

I was saying "Your point?" jokingly, It was a more polite way of saying, "so what".

re: #198 Killgore Trout

Agreed the only reason they are a problem is because of oil money. Within 50 years or so (hopefully sooner) that money is going to dry up. After that they will be an unfixable welfare burden like sub-Saharan Africa but they won't be a threat to Western society.

Unfortunately our lame assed congress will continue to subsidize their camel follies.

Muslims feel like 'Jews of Europe'

Britain's first Muslim minister has attacked the growing culture of hostility against Muslims in the United Kingdom, saying that many feel targeted like "the Jews of Europe".

/you know, except for the extermination camps

re: #206 Egfrow

I think it's the job of the government to provide our national defense.

It is the job of the citizenry to wage the culture war.

re: #186 Thanos

Honestly I'm a lot more worried about our energy future, creeping socialism, missile defense, our Military budget, and taxes.

Illegal immigration is bad but it's not the worst of our woes.

Well brace yourself. No matter who wins this election , we are scewed as far is immigration, It won't be illegal ,because it will all be legalized.
Extended families will just come in.millions & millions of a new entitled class. That money to fund these entitlements will come from the middle Class & thus we will see the erosion economicaly of the WWII miracle of a robust Middle Class.
It is not xenophobia to oppose this economic assault.

re: #209 DebbieSym

Do you think the average British citizen feels this way?

No. Some do but I'd guess most don't. Multiculturalism has been pushed on them for the past 50 years by their politicians and judges against their will. There just haven't been many good political alternatives, which is why assholes like the BNP are gaining ground.

re: #211 nyc redneck
Unfortunately a direct result of the UK gov't bending over and grabbing it ankles is the resurgence of the BNP, which is loosely disguised nazism.

re: #212 Tarkus289

I was saying "Your point?" jokingly, It was a more polite way of saying, "so what".

Well I was agreeing we should isolate them, I just expect a diffrent result.

re: #213 JeremyR

For a while, yes. But it's going to come to an end sooner or later. After that the Islamic world has nothing to fall back on.

re: #214 Killian Bundy

Muslims feel like 'Jews of Europe'

/you know, except for the extermination camps

Mr Malik said that many British Muslims now felt like 'aliens in their own country'

/gee, I wonder why?

I can hear the votes for the BNP growing even now...

Lord Phillips is just another upper class twit. The British ruling class is the enemy of the ordinary Englishman.

re: #220 Killgore Trout

For a while, yes. But it's going to come to an end sooner or later. After that the Islamic world has nothing to fall back on.

/except all the petro dollars they've been steadily investing in Western markets for decades

re: #214 Killian Bundy

I've heard Muslims on CBC Radio call-in shows claim, in all seriousness, that Muslims in Canada today are being treated the same as Jews in Nazi Germany.

Are they delusional or bald-faced liars?

I can never understand why the hosts don't just laugh them off the air.

/Tip-toe round the Muslims... (Paging Tiny Tim.)

re: #206 Egfrow

Sharm, Let me also make clear that my thought of Isolationism does not denote a lack of will to fight. It's probably the wrong word for my sentiments. I just think the fight is already here which goes with my previous comment about about fighting within my personal reach. I'm not in the Military and have already went through Desert Storm. which pissed me off then because we had to stop before reaching Iraq. But we have to have a Front here and now. It's been ignored. The political weakness growing inside is as important as the battlefield. It's time to rock the boat here. Produtive Americans who work, and support their families must take their noses out of the grinding wheel of life and take a look at what's happening around them here. When this happens, which I believe it already is, then the battle to take on our internal 5th columns has begun and will be won. The problem is not capability but willingness. This is not just an effort on the battlefield but it is also our businesses and our politics, education etc. One of my greatest hopes is that when many of our troops come home they will still fight in other ways.

re: #220 Killgore Trout

For a while, yes. But it's going to come to an end sooner or later. After that the Islamic world has nothing to fall back on.

Oh, I agree, I just think some bleeding heart libtards in congress will continue to ear mark money for them long after the oil wells have rusted into nothing.
Cut the supply of money? Jihad!

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

He's destroying Britain's long and hard fought history

#186 Thanos

Honestly I'm a lot more worried about our energy future, creeping socialism, missile defense, our Military budget, and taxes.

Illegal immigration is bad but it's not the worst of our woes.

Illegal immigration immigration is a tool used to implement socialism so yes, it is a major major issue.

re: #214 Killian Bundy

Muslims feel like 'Jews of Europe'

/you know, except for the extermination camps

Send for the waaaaaaaaaaaahmbulance.

Lord Philips just said that to get out of that Mosque in one piece. Or,

He's stark, raving, MAD!

Britain's top nut job.

Energy is the biggest problem facing us and the world in coming years, bar none. Other problems might seem more urgent, but none is so important.

This is linked above, I recommend you watch Glen:

re: #90 Killgore Trout
re: #90 Killgore Trout

I dont disagree, I am just telling you how it is here. To be clear there are areas of Jewish law around divorce which are problematic when held up to scrutiny according to Canadian law. It is not an easy marriage (pardon the pun), but the rules should apply across the board.

re: #226 Egfrow

... This is not just an effort on the battlefield but it is also our businesses and our politics, education etc. One of my greatest hopes is that when many of our troops come home they will still fight in other ways.

The pubic education system is part and parcel of the fifth column. Where do you think PC multi-culti fanaticism is incubated?

Anyone and everyone who can either afford private school or home schooling should remove their children from public education.

re: #226 Egfrow

I think there are already a number of citizens taking up this fight- one of whom is our gracious host. I think we're slowly making a difference. You can see this in the continued down trends in the bottom line of the msm papers, and in the growing numbers of home schoolers. It's not an easy fight, and it's one I think will continue to proceed slowly, but it is happening, and a number of people are doing what they can in their own ways.

re: #233 Thanos

Energy is the biggest problem facing us and the world in coming years, bar none. Other problems might seem more urgent, but none is so important.

Or water.

But you need a lot of energy to desalinate water, ...

re: #229 derkrieger

Illegal immigration immigration is a tool used to implement socialism so yes, it is a major major issue.

Honestly, I think that it is about cheap labor & the destruction of the Midlle Class. An elite is much more elite without it. Just look at Mexico.

re: #215 Sharmuta

I think it's the job of the government to provide our national defense.

It is the job of the citizenry to wage the culture war.

That all depends who and what is controlling the interests of our government. In the realm of possibility, we have to aknowledge, a modern Democratic Party, victory, In the Senate, House, Executive, and Legislative. Ie. A Marxist president and an entitelist race baiting wife, A looney liberal dominated Senate and House, and 2 freshly appointed Chicago native revolutionary justices.

On top of that if you are worried about illegal immigration, you better watch who you are electing at the local levels. (city, county, state.) The most effective, and the most inneffective things done to control illegal immigration are happening at local levels. If you are waiting for the Feds to save us somehow, you better not hold your breath.

re: #224 Killian Bundy

Even that will quickly evaporate. They have large families and each generation inherits a watered down version of previous wealth.

OK, who here is prepared to run for Congress in 2010? Come on, you know you want to! Unfortunately we've missed the window for this year. But to all and sundry LGF'rs, think about it.

re: #214 Killian Bundy

Muslims feel like 'Jews of Europe'

/you know, except for the extermination camps

Like the Jews of Europe were kidnapping Christians and sawing their heads off, crashing mass transportation into landmark structures, blowing themselves up in beer halls and kindergartens.

re: #16 Racer X

M M M My Sharia!

"Racer"

MORE SHARONA = less sha'aria. Good Move.

-S-

re: #241 Killgore Trout

Even that will quickly evaporate. They have large families and each generation inherits a watered down version of previous wealth.

Couple of trillion dollars takes a lot of watering down.

re: #237 itellu3times

Or water.

But you need a lot of energy to desalinate water, ...

Regardless of what it is, most problems go back to energy, Food, fuel, water, clean environment, education, infrastructure, wealth, and anything else we might care about become easier to gain in an energy abundant environment.

re: #243 Alouette

Like the Jews of Europe were kidnapping Christians and sawing their heads off, crashing mass transportation into landmark structures, blowing themselves up in beer halls and kindergartens.

Look, they always rush to this hyperbole. It works

re: #239 Egfrow

Imagine if the electorate thought they should just retreat into isolationism concerning elections and the government....

Oh wait- they did that two years ago and we got Speaker pelosi.

re: #214 Killian Bundy

Muslims feel like 'Jews of Europe'

/you know, except for the extermination camps

no they don't. they're liars trying to get traction off the suffering of jews.

re: #238 opnion

Honestly, I think that it is about cheap labor & the destruction of the Midlle Class. An elite is much more elite without it. Just look at Mexico.

The business elite do themselves NO favors by supporting illegal immigration. They may benefit in the short term but in the long term if illegals gain citizenship and vote Democrat, as they are wont, then socialism will continue to the detriment of the businesses that supported and encouraged illegal immigration.

Discussion of Human Rights Abuses Under Sharia Law now Banned at UN Human Rights Council:

I haven't gone through the thread, so pardon any repetition--although think I may be alone in this.

‘Those entering into a contractual agreement can agree that the agreement shall be governed by a law other than English law.’

Technically, I think he is correct, but only to a point. If you and I agree to a contract, we may include in the terms of the contract that there will be no interest charged for the loan, but that late payment will cost you an extra goat. We may not, however, substitute one of your hands as a penalty for a late payment.

This contract will be enforceable under the laws of the land because we agreed to these terms beforehand, and none of the terms are otherwise in violation of existing law.
I do not know if "arbitration" is codified in English or American law, but it is often specified in a contract as the primary method for resolving any disputes which arise from the actions contracted. That means that arbitration has been agreed to as governing the contract rather than English law.

I believe that there are two really salient points to this: First, nothing in the arbitration is allowed to violate existing law, and second, if arbitration breaks down, existing law remains available as a final recourse. I know that the contracts say "arbitration as the sole recourse" or some such thing, but lawsuits can and do arise from failed arbitration.

FINALLY, I think that this represents a great opportunity for us. A case arising on this point would offer the chance to put some real fences around creeping Sharia. This would allow Jurists to spell out the extent to which Sharia may be applied, and the nature of its interaction with English law. Or American, for that matter. Using precedents such as decisions regarding arbitration and religious law would be the perfect opportunity to limit the so-far unchecked depredations of this legal-political-religious hydra.

to paraphrase cheap trick.....

"ya (burqua clad) mama's alright, your (sharia espousing) daddy's alright, they're both just a little weird, surrender (you feckless eurowienies), SURRENDER!"

re: #249 nyc redneck

no they don't. they're liars trying to get traction off the suffering of jews.

Holocaust envy.

re: #234 Petero

re: #90 Killgore Trout
I dont disagree, I am just telling you how it is here. To be clear there are areas of Jewish law around divorce which are problematic when held up to scrutiny according to Canadian law. It is not an easy marriage (pardon the pun), but the rules should apply across the board.

Religious Jews' attempts to have the civil courts enforce religious agreements and mediations/arbitrations has been rejected by the government, at least in Ontario. Same for Sharia. At least for the time being.

re: #242 itellu3times

OK, who here is prepared to run for Congress in 2010? Come on, you know you want to! Unfortunately we've missed the window for this year. But to all and sundry LGF'rs, think about it.

I plan to run against Vic Snyder in 2010. I was going to this year but the local GOP is weak and disorganized. I hope to change that.

re: #236 Sharmuta

I perfectly agree, We got lucky because of the Internet. The Liberal planners did not see that one coming and underestimated it. This goes back to the revolutionary sentiments of Thomas J. in regards to the effect of giving many of the Colonies free reign access to Printing presses. The other lucky move was that of the Discarded medium of Radio. The got caught from both sides. The New and the Old were unforeseen. The elitists were moving away from Radio and into video and TV. The tide is indeed turning. But we are currently out organized and out manned.

re: #223 Paul

Lord Phillips is just another upper class twit. The British ruling class is the enemy of the ordinary Englishman.

Exactly, when Lord Fwillips states "Sharia Law is alright with me" what he means is "Its alright for them(muslims) as long as doesnt interfere with my gin and tonic."

When they take control by sheer demographics, and do it through the ballot box, then he gunna find a small problem in his very own back country garden, cucumber sandwiches and all.

Hi Sharmuta, howzit?

Good evening all y'all - I'm late to the party once again! How is everyone doing and what have I missed?!

re: #250 DerKrieger

The business elite do themselves NO favors by supporting illegal immigration. They may benefit in the short term but in the long term if illegals gain citizenship and vote Democrat, as they are wont, then socialism will continue to the detriment of the businesses that supported and encouraged illegal immigration.

That makes sense, but they do not & never have taken the long view.
It is about immediate margins & if they destroy capitalism,we will suffer more than them.

re: #252 MajorPribluda

I hope you read the thread and reconsider based on muslimas not fully understanding their rights and the probability of their coercion.

The judge is a wanker. This isolates the muslim population even further. It expresses bigotry in that the ruling shows a lack of interest in the muslim population(imagine if any other group, such as blacks, chinese, or women were left to fend for themselves legally). It shows a lack of compassion, especially in womens' matters. It implies retreat to those who are pushing an agenda from foreign lands. It sets a dubious precedent in that those from any other culture can now claim the right to be judged according to the laws of their homeland, out of fairness.

What a can of worms.

Some words of inspiration to those Brits who still have a backbone, words that still inspire:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. "

Happy Birthday America.

OT: Blackfive asks for messages of thanks to be sent to another Judge, who did the right thing today:
"Judge Larson has released Sergeants Nelson and Weemer to the Marine Corps." [Link: www.blackfive.net...]

re: #260 opnion Hey opnion, that has been a valid criticism of most American businesses for quite a while now: they're idea of "long term planning" is planning for the 3rd quarter while still in the first.

re: #246 Thanos

Regardless of what it is, most problems go back to energy.

True, but frankly, it's a problem easily enough fixed, once we get off our duffs.

Shale oil and coal gasification for the next century, orbital solar in the long term, fission in the short term, fusion if we can ever figure it out. There is no *technical* problem getting all the energy we need, it is all political at this point. Bites, don't it?

Windmills, biomass, these are just for style points, really low-tech and awkward. More efficient (eg, lighter weight) cars would help a lot.

In two hundred years, our descendants will look back at the current fuss about oil in total bemusement. It's also a good source of feedstock for chemicals and plastics, but for energy? Geez, great-nth grandpa, what where you thinking?

re: #259 realwest

Good evening all y'all - I'm late to the party once again! How is everyone doing and what have I missed?!

You are late, Real. Go stand in the corner. Now, if it was sharia, it would be 200 lashings, and not of whipped cream.

re: #265 realwest

Hey opnion, that has been a valid criticism of most American businesses for quite a while now: they're idea of "long term planning" is planning for the 3rd quarter while still in the first.
Hi Real, ya just nailed it.