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Obama: 9/11 Was 'A Failure of Empathy'

Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:01:38 am PDT

Eight days after the atrocities of September 11, 2001, Barack Obama wrote a piece for the Hyde Park Herald—and blamed the attacks on “a failure of empathy.”

Even as I hope for some measure of peace and comfort to the bereaved families, I must also hope that we as a nation draw some measure of wisdom from this tragedy. Certain immediate lessons are clear, and we must act upon those lessons decisively. We need to step up security at our airports. We must reexamine the effectiveness of our intelligence networks. And we must be resolute in identifying the perpetrators of these heinous acts and dismantling their organizations of destruction.

We must also engage, however, in the more difficult task of understanding the sources of such madness. The essence of this tragedy, it seems to me, derives from a fundamental absence of empathy on the part of the attackers: an inability to imagine, or connect with, the humanity and suffering of others. Such a failure of empathy, such numbness to the pain of a child or the desperation of a parent, is not innate; nor, history tells us, is it unique to a particular culture, religion, or ethnicity. It may find expression in a particular brand of violence, and may be channeled by particular demagogues or fanatics. Most often, though, it grows out of a climate of poverty and ignorance, helplessness and despair.

We will have to make sure, despite our rage, that any U.S. military action takes into account the lives of innocent civilians abroad. We will have to be unwavering in opposing bigotry or discrimination directed against neighbors and friends of Middle Eastern descent. Finally, we will have to devote far more attention to the monumental task of raising the hopes and prospects of embittered children across the globe—children not just in the Middle East, but also in Africa, Asia, Latin America, Eastern Europe and within our own shores.

Obama’s comments display an appalling disconnect from reality.

Osama bin Laden came from one of the richest families in the world. None of the 9/11 attackers were poor; if anything, they could be considered “middle class.” Ringleader Mohammed Atta was educated as an architect in the West.

Almost everything Obama wrote in this article was proven wrong. And he gave absolutely no consideration at all to the ideology of radical Islam, which is much more to blame than any imaginary “poverty” or “lack of empathy.”

And now he’s within reach of the presidency.

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1 vxbush  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:02:23am

Why do I need to empathize with someone who wants to kill me?

2 Leonidas Hoplite  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:02:52am

Scary.

3 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:03:10am

Well, it was a failure of empathy -
the failure the terrorist had to feel empathy for anyone.
Which is quite different from the meaning Obamahdi meant.

4 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:03:10am

That comment reaches a level of stupidity your average 9/11 Troofer can only dream of.

5 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:03:20am

Like I wrote about the cover, Obama's hoping that folks concentrate on the cover, and not on the related story. It gets to the heart of the matter, which is that Obama's policy pronouncements are worse than anything the cartoonists and other left wing hacks could come up with and claim as satire (or reality).

6 astronmr20  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:04:33am

Wow.

A "root causes" piece from Obama 8 days after the attacks.

This says it all.

7 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:04:37am

re: #1 vxbush

You got those words out there before I could. We've known for awhile his moral compass was broken - this just proves it.

8 Jay777  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:05:02am

Obama's brain farts are caused by a lack of intelligence. The article also says he threatened to kick another Senator's ass when that Senator embarrassed him on the Senate floor. Another Senator had to pull them apart. Unstable!

9 thedopefishlives  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:05:11am

*deep sigh*

How many times do I have to repeat myself before people GET IT?

There can be NO NEGOTIATION with people whose only demand is "You must die."

It's either kill or be killed, and it's patently obvious which side Barack Hussein Obama (yes, I went there) is on.

10 Sizzlack  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:05:27am

Thanks for that, this adds another notch to the belt of reason I have for not liking Obama, now up to notch 3,657.

11 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:05:28am
12 tupac23x  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:05:31am

He was for empathy before he was against it.

/do I even need to bother?

13 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:05:35am

That's someone's brains gone to mush. Not a single one of the 9/11 hijackers or plotters was poor or uneducated. All were middle class and above. Osama had vast wealth as part of major Saudi construction firm. Zawahiri was a doctor. Atta and others were college grads.

No poverty or despair in that.

They despaired because Islam, and the Muslim countries had fallen so far behind, that they thought the reason was they were insufficiently Islamist. And they wanted to bring the rest of the world down to their level. To level the playing field.

14 maddogg  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:05:51am

Still think that New Yorker cover was that stupid?

15 calvin coolidge  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:05:55am

Barack mentions "Most often, though, it grows out of a climate of poverty and ignorance, helplessness and despair." So, he is calling radical Muslims ignorant? This could get interesting.

16 Leonidas Hoplite  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:06:03am

This guy is out of his effin' elitist mind. It's not lack of empathy that leads the US to be first in where there is pain and suffering and tragedy somewhere in the world while Europe and all the other rich countries stand by and twiddle their thumbs.

Empathy didn't help Neville Chamberlain avoid war, Obama, it only made it worse.

17 Gus Bailey  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:06:12am

re: #7 Cap'n DOC

Broken? He ain't got one, he replaced his with a weathervane.

18 astronmr20  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:06:17am

Why do they insist on going into "poverty" as a cause of Islamic terrorism, when the Bin Laden family is one of the most wealthy in the world?

19 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:06:23am

Empathy for terrorists, but not for the victims.

20 DistantThunder  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:06:24am

Sociopaths like all terrorists lack empathy. Sociopath cannot be rehabilitated. They must be killed. Obama certainly doesn't want them merely detained in Gitmo - neither does mccain (sigh), so they must be killed.

Rumsfeld understood that terrorists must be killed.

21 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:06:43am

The thing is, we can't make the terrorist types have empathy for us; they probably don't have empathy for anyone, not even other Muslims.
Look at the way the palis behave; they send their own children where they know the bullets will fly (like to pick up missile launchers) just so they can blame the evil joooos.

We can't do it; they're taught this way. And that is one big problem with Islam, at least the form the terrorists have.

22 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:06:53am

At least I got smarter after 9/11.

23 GreenDroll  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:07:08am

A failure of empathy indeed. Obama just has empathy for the wrong folks, that's all.
I am afraid that the Democrats have managed to nominate another in a long string of unbelievably unqualified candidates for president. Some of these morons get elected.

24 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:07:30am

re: #15 calvin coolidge

Yup. And he also thinks they were (are) penniless and ignorant, or unlearned if you will. He's wrong.

25 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:07:43am
Most often, though, it grows out of a climate of poverty and ignorance, helplessness and despair.

I thought the mastermind was filty rich, not poor, ignorant, helpless and despairing. I thought that the terrorists came from educated, middle-class backgrounds.

26 Pyrocles  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:07:45am

Give them what they want, and they won't want to kill you! Hopefully, anyway; or you're screwed... /Obama

re: #1 vxbush

Why do I need to empathize with someone who wants to kill me?

27 Dianna  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:07:49am

Yeah, Atta was a child of poverty and despair, all right.

How many times do we have to point out the 9/11 terrorists were not poor, or the children of the poor? They certainly weren't uneducated, or lacking in opportunity. Their lack of empathy wasn't exactly induced by numb despair!

28 josephjcox  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:08:26am

This is lefty, but not terrible. He wrote: "a fundamental absence of empathy on the part of the attackers: an inability to imagine, or connect with, the humanity and suffering of others." He's talking about the terrorists lack of empathy - or I would say, humanity. I think that's just about right.

Now, the actions he calls on us to do even fit what I'd recommend - raising the hopes and prospects of children around the world. Of course, I read that as providing liberty and he reads it as providing 'respect' and cash...

29 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:08:28am

What a bunch of far left kook blather.

30 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:08:36am

Translation:

"It was bad BUT they only did it because they were poor. (Ed. They weren't)

We shouldn't fight back. Uh, because civilians might get hurt. (Ed. How about the civilians here that will get hurt if we don't fight back and they can attack again because of that?)

But more than anything, we need to make sure we bigoted Americans don't look cross-eyed at someone and hurt their feelings. That's the REAL problem here, and our preventative efforts should focus on America bigots.

And in closing, as always, more socialism."

31 ciaospirit  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:08:41am
Even as I hope for some measure of peace and comfort to the bereaved families, I must also hope

To hell with your hope, Obama.

32 winston06  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:08:45am

Hussein Obama has a Marxist view of the world for darn sure

33 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:09:03am
such numbness to the pain of a child or the desperation of a parent, is not innate; nor, history tells us, is it unique to a particular culture, religion, or ethnicity
. It may find expression in a particular brand of violence, and may be channeled by particular demagogues or fanatics.

Most often, though, it grows out of a climate of poverty and ignorance, helplessness and despair.


So I become a demagogue or fanatic if I want to fight back..

Thank you Presdente Obamamma

Repression is good for the soul.

34 Joan Not of Arc  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:09:05am

I cannot believe anyone would be so stupid as to vote for this man. I fear he will ruin us all.

35 winston06  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:09:12am

re: #26 Pyrocles

Dhimmis would empathize with their own killers

36 rasachema  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:09:16am

if Obama doesn't lose this election then God help us.

37 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:09:22am

What a load of pious crap.

38 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:09:25am

He does have a point. The terrorists did lack empathy but, that was because they were adherents to a religion started by a malignant narcissist.

39 jemima  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:09:27am

His intelligence is grossly overestimated.

40 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:09:46am

re: #14 maddogg

Still think that New Yorker cover was that stupid?

ding dingle

41 Pickle  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:09:47am

Well, Obama says in the article that it was due to a complete lack of empathy on the part of the attackers... Which is partially true, at least. Psychopaths like Bin Laden are psychologically incapable of empathizing with their victims' suffering.

However, the wider reason was purely ideological. Leftists like Obama simply refuse to acknowledge that these creatures are wholly dedicated to our defeat and submission, and that their philosophical grounding is one of pure evil. Which is why, as long as they are in control, we will never defeat the enemy.

Mercy? Save it for those who believe in it themselves.

42 stevieray  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:10:05am

re: #32 winston06

Hussein Obama has a Marxist view of the world for darn sure

Bingo!

But then again, so does our entire State Department.

43 winston06  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:10:22am

re: #1 vxbush

Only Dhimmis do so and Hussein seems to be one of them

44 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:10:24am
45 winston06  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:10:43am

re: #42 stevieray

They can have each other as long as they leave us alone

46 thedopefishlives  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:10:49am

re: #38 MandyManners

He's right in that they lack empathy. He's wrong in that he thinks there's something that can be done about it. Anyone with a basic understanding of human psychology knows that there are some types that just cannot be rehabilitated.

/And people wonder why I approve of the death sentence

47 irongrampa  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:10:51am

Perhaps this lad should just sit down and let the adults administer the business at hand.

48 Sizzlack  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:10:59am
Such a failure of empathy, such numbness to the pain of a child or the desperation of a parent, is not innate;

Ah yes, if only Mohammed Atta's mom could have hugged him more as a child.

49 Gus Bailey  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:11:19am
it grows out of a climate of poverty and ignorance, helplessness and despair

It's all Bushitler's fault through global warming climate change of poverty. Er sumpin' like that.

50 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:11:24am

I now have the "monumental" task and or strecth of ever taking this mutt seriously at any thing he says!

51 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:11:32am

re: #3 Kosh's Shadow

That is sort of what Obama meant:

The essence of this tragedy, it seems to me, derives from a fundamental absence of empathy on the part of the attackers: an inability to imagine, or connect with, the humanity and suffering of others.

The failure of empathy was on the part of the "attackers". But he does turn it around an points it at America:

We will have to make sure, despite our rage, that any U.S. military action takes into account the lives of innocent civilians abroad.

And there are those words again:

we will have to devote far more attention to the monumental task of raising the hopes and prospects of embittered children across the globe

52 donbmcd  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:11:46am

You know the scary part is that most of the people in his political party agree with him. The other scary part is that except for this forum - few if any will actually read what he said.

53 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:11:52am
"Most often, though, it grows out of a climate of poverty and ignorance, helplessness and despair."


Tell that bullshit to these guys.

They see poverty, ignorance, helplessness and despair every friggin day and somehow the victims of these maladies manage to get through life without ramming airliners full of innocent people into office buildings full of innocent people.

54 aunursa  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:11:55am

Obama was saying that it was the terrorists' lack of empathy.

To which the proper response is ... well, duh!

Everything he wrote after that is just gobbledygook.

55 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:12:04am

Most often, though, it grows out of a climate of poverty and ignorance, helplessness and despair.


Osama bin Laden is rich, educated, and motavated. And he hated America. How hard is that to understand? Mohammedans have been shouting "Death to Ameirca!" all my life. There's no nuance there that I'm missing, no hidden meaning that escapes me.

How long before we decide to reply with "Death to Islam!"? How long before we fight the war that they bring us?

56 winston06  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:12:51am

re: #55 Iron Fist

All those anti-American, anti-western countries are oil rich nations. If they're poor, it is their fault. Not the west's

57 Diamond Bullet  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:12:52am

At first, Obama is saying that the terrorists lack empathy, not that we should empathize with them. But that does seem like where he ends up at the end there.

And how often do we have to debunk this particular "idea":

Most often, though, it grows out of a climate of poverty and ignorance, helplessness and despair.

Osama was an educated, multi-millionaire, and many of the recent terrorists in Britain and abroad have been trained doctors.

58 Gus Bailey  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:12:54am

One last thing, then back to the wheel:


Post Turtle
59 Cicero05  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:12:59am
Most often, though, it grows out of a climate of poverty and ignorance, helplessness and despair.

Utter liberal bullshit. They never learn.

The perpetrators of 9/11 weren't poor or disadavantaged. They were soliddly middle class or better. Feckless fools like Obama will never understand or admit that there are evil people in the world who hate the West for what it is. Period. No amount of aid dollars or empathetic hand-wringing by the civilized world is going to make these people "nice."

Obama's naivete scares the shit out of me.

60 winston06  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:13:26am

Obama presidency looks scarier day by day now

61 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:13:37am
62 pegcity  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:14:18am

Wow and this man might be president of your country, i wish we could share Stephen Harper with you guys

63 irongrampa  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:14:19am

Inasmuch as you can neither reason or negotiate with terrorists, I guess the best solution is to simply kill them as you find them.

Strikes me that this solution seems to be working rather well.

64 Sizzlack  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:14:22am
Most often, though, it grows out of a climate of poverty and ignorance, helplessness and despair.

And what the article forget to mention was that immediately after making the above statement, Obama went on to blame all of those problems on America.

65 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:14:32am

Were the terroritsts too uneducated and poor to do this?

This?

66 jemima  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:14:44am

#48

Forget the hugs. Part of the problem was that Atta's mommy diddled him as a child. It's SOP to keep babies quiet in that culture.

67 Pyrocles  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:15:16am

Yep. While the Islamist closes in wielding his dull machete, the dhimmi would be thinking:

[blockquote]What have I done to earn this fate; why does he want to kill me? I must have glanced at him incorrectly; not grovelled appropriately. I shaved off my beard last week - that's it! I should be wearing a beard to satisfy his primal and wonderful culture! Duh... I disrespected him. I deserve to die. I hurt this poor PURE human, of a culture that does NOT pollute the environment, lives in harmony with nature, and teaches nothing but love and respect for all; unlike my own miserable culture. I suck; I deserve this death.

Oh, here he comes to relieve me of my sufferering! Please, Hamid, do not make the cut clean, for I need to FEEL my esophagus severed. I deserve this, and accept my death as penance for years of colonialism and *WHACK*[/blockquote]

re: #35 winston06

Dhimmis would empathize with their own killers

68 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:15:18am
raising the hopes and prospects of embittered children

Like Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab
Like Sayyid Qutb
Like Abdullah Azzam, Omar Abd al-Rahman and Muhammad Qutb
Like Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri

OH, the pitiful CHILDREN!
*weep*

69 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:15:42am

re: #46 thedopefishlives

He's right in that they lack empathy. He's wrong in that he thinks there's something that can be done about it. Anyone with a basic understanding of human psychology knows that there are some types that just cannot be rehabilitated.

/And people wonder why I approve of the death sentence

Yep. Personality disorders cannot be cured with weekly visits to a shrink and a daily magic pill.

70 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:15:54am

re: #63 irongrampa

Inasmuch as you can neither reason or negotiate with terrorists, I guess the best solution is to simply kill them as you find them.

Strikes me that this solution seems to be working rather well.

Reminds me of a saying a friend of mine out in New Mexico has: "I'm not going to kill every rattlesnake on the mountain- just the ones I see."

71 snowcrash  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:15:58am

8 days and he was over the shock and horror? As stories about individuals who went to work that morning and never came home played on all the news channels, he was ready to empathize with the terrorists? Unfeeling bastard.

72 blueroom127  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:16:06am

Its only a distraction. And not good for Michelle's kids. Lets focus on the real issues like hope and change

73 Bloodnok  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:16:09am

This sounds like Obama-clone Deval Patrick's "9/11 Was a Failure in Human Understanding" comments last year.

74 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:16:19am

re: #60 winston06

Obama presidency looks scarier day by day now

thats why McCain is 50-50

75 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:16:32am

re: #66 jemima

#48

Forget the hugs. Part of the problem was that Atta's mommy diddled him as a child. It's SOP to keep babies quiet in that culture.

What?

76 Racer X  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:16:36am

And this man wants to give three-quarters of a TRILLION U.S. dollars to the U.N.

77 NY Nana  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:16:58am

I still cannot blot the images of that day out of my mind, nor can I forget what my kids went through that day...'a failure of empathy'? Where the hell is his empathy for the victims, their families, their friends and co-workers, and the unsung heroes that died trying to rescue people, and the First Responders?

Hussein can get stuffed, the POS. He shows clearly that if he is not actually a member of the cult of islam, that he most definitely is on their side..the side of evil, and thus is our enemy, the very people who he wants to be the President of..so help me, if I saw him? I would spit in his face.

78 SlimyBill  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:17:24am
raising the hopes and prospects of embittered children across the globe

A Jeremiah Wright sermon should to the trick.

79 Racer X  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:18:17am

Those aren't the terrorists I knew.

80 JOHNNYREB  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:18:46am

re: #76 Racer X

And this man wants to give three-quarters of a TRILLION U.S. dollars to the U.N.


That's just for starters.

81 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:19:08am
I must also hope that we as a nation draw some measure of wisdom from this tragedy.

This is the nastiest.

19 mass murdering scum killed thousands of us, and tried to kill thousands more. And he hope WE learned a lesson.

I'm fairly sure that lesson he hoped we learned was NOT, "Hey, these buggers are murderous scum bent on world domination, want to kill me, and they don't value life, even their own. We should fight this with all we're worth."

82 baxtrice  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:19:10am

"I'm Barrack Obama and I like to use big descriptive words that mean absolutely nothing to show how educated I am."

83 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:19:28am

re: #71 snowcrash

8 days and he was over the shock and horror? As stories about individuals who went to work that morning and never came home played on all the news channels, he was ready to empathize with the terrorists? Unfeeling bastard.

I can distinctly remember that we were wondering about cars left at the train station at Suffern for weeks after the attacks. Wondering if they belonged to people who went to work that morning, never to return or as it would turn out - never to have remains recovered because they were pulverized into dust in the ensuing collapses of the towers and fires that burned for months and left the stench of death over Lower Manhattan for months on end.

The police in many towns around the region didn't ticket those cars, knowing the terrible truth that had unfolded. Slowly, families would come and recover those cars, but that was one of my memories from those terrible early days after the attacks.

84 jemima  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:19:36am

#75

Yup. Shrinkwrapped has been doing an entire series on Raphael Patai's book The Arab Mind. Go read them if you're not familiar with how truly twisted they are.

85 Jauhara al Kafirah  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:20:16am

My empathy gland is all out of warm and fuzzy. I'd borrow a cup of it from someone else, but my anger gland has pretty much supplied all the missing rage hormones I clearly lacked before September 11th...when I used to believe that Islam was a religion of peace.

86 stevieray  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:20:22am

It really is a Marxist viewpoint.

Poverty and powerlessness as the root of the problem [basic Marxist economic determinism].

Religion as a non-issue [Engel's False Consciousness].

The West as responsible for fixing the problem [60's post colonial Academic Marxism].

Each and every part of his opinion is laced through with post 60's Marxism.

/and with that, back to the salt mines. later!

87 red satellite  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:20:25am
The essence of this tragedy, it seems to me, derives from a fundamental absence of empathy on the part of the attackers: an inability to imagine, or connect with, the humanity and suffering of others...

No..SFB: it's your 'inability to imagine or connect' with the 3,000 innocent Americans killed by murdering Muslim psychopaths. Be sure and call Professor Plum when you get a clue.

88 wahabicorridor  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:20:53am

I'm long past believing Obam abelieves a word he says. He just spurts out shit he thinks will sound good. The only time I've ever believed anything about him is when I see him smile at his girls - I believe he loves them deeply.

But that's it.

89 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:21:04am

Now that this position of the Obamassiah has been reported I wonder how long before he feels the need to clarify his remarks.

If this doesn't help to convince a majority of American voters that Obama is not qualified for being POTUS nothing will.

90 Stringart  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:21:21am

They have no empathy for us and it's our fault. They reject the ideas - democracy and liberty - that will eliminate their "poverty and ignorance, helplessness and despair" and that's our fault too.

It must be nice to not be responsible for anything.

91 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:21:21am
Such a failure of empathy, such numbness to the pain of a child or the desperation of a parent, is not innate; nor, history tells us, is it unique to a particular culture, religion, or ethnicity. It may find expression in a particular brand of violence, and may be channeled by particular demagogues or fanatics. Most often, though, it grows out of a climate of poverty and ignorance, helplessness and despair.

This is a classic belief of Leftist ideological nonsense. Every study of the origin of terrorism discounts the influence of "poverty, ignorance, helplessness and despair" and emphasizes the essential violent ideology taught to children. Furthermore, "lack of empathy" has been well documented by psychiatrists & psychologists as resulting from severe child abuse. Look for where child abuse and violent ideology are common and you will find terrorists.

92 'Nam Grunt  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:21:34am

My empathy is a F-22 Rapture loaded for bear, but that's just me!

93 pegcity  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:21:38am

I think Obama taught me intro Soc at UofM

94 Crusader Rabbit  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:21:47am

Doesn't "a climate of poverty and ignorance, helplessness and despair." describe the status of an average subject of every islamic regime on the planet?

95 drj  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:22:08am

This is very scary to say the least. Even if Obama loses this election - that so many in this country support and believe in his ideas is scary.

Question: Dennis Prager said, just this morning, that he believes Obama loves this country.

Maybe I'm missing something, but if my 10 year old son grew up, and became friends with Osama Bin Laden, I'm not quite sure I would believe he loves America.

What am I missing? I think this guy is a traitor, to say the least.

96 jemima  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:22:11am

Mandy, and anyone else

[Link: shrinkwrapped.blogs.com...]

97 kc8ukw  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:22:16am

I hate that stories like this will probably never be seen by the people that most need to read them. I should start printing out LGF and posting it at Jimmy Johns, or something.

98 maddogg  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:22:35am

re: #74 ibmkeyboard

thats why McCain is 50-50

I gotta give McCain credit, he is trying desperately to re-run Bob Doles lackluster campaign, and if he does win, it will be due to the gift of the public seeing what a disaster Obama would be, not because McCain ran a tough, hard fought, intelligent campaign.

99 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:22:44am
100 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:23:26am

re: #90 Stringart

It must be nice to not be responsible for anything.

Welcome to the Democratic Party!

101 jill e  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:23:35am

And then we come to find out that the majority of these murderers are in fact middle class and well educated.

102 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:23:36am

re: #92 'Nam Grunt

My empathy is a F-22 Rapture loaded for bear, but that's just me!

A Freudian slip, I believe
*grin*

103 irongrampa  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:23:39am

John McCain wasn't my 1st choice (Fred), but he's the ONLY choice now, imho.

104 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:23:43am

re: #81 Silhouette

This is the nastiest.

19 mass murdering scum killed thousands of us, and tried to kill thousands more. And he hope WE learned a lesson.

I'm fairly sure that lesson he hoped we learned was NOT, "Hey, these buggers are murderous scum bent on world domination, want to kill me, and they don't value life, even their own. We should fight this with all we're worth."

Unfortunately, too many people didn't learn the lesson this way, or they forgot it over time.

Maybe we need to have a memorial service, every 9/11, where we have some silence for the victims, remember the horror, with tapes re-played on TV to remind us, and dedicate ourselves to preventing terrorism, and wiping out those who would kill us.
But CAIR would make such a stink over a day, or even a remembrance, like that.

105 Sizzlack  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:24:31am

So for Obama, the victimization card works in every situation. McD's forgot your fries? It's because of your skin color. You grew up to dislike Mickey Mouse? Well thats due to poverty. Fly planes into buildings? Your parents didn't tell you they loved you enough as a kid.
And I'm sure if he goes on to lose the election, well its because we're all a bunch of whitey loving bigots.

106 HippieforLife  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:24:55am

re: #7 Cap'n DOC

I don't think he ever had a moral compass to break.

I hope that this article gets as much play as the New Yorker cover. This article really addresses what he thinks.

At the time he said this he was very much a minority. And now he could be our President. Spit!

107 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:24:59am

Lack of empathy also grows in groups that make an effort for their members to see the opponents as things, not people.

These groups usually repeat over and over that their opponents are animals or object.

Like, for example, sons of pigs and monkeys.

108 dolfan  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:25:06am

"Most often, though, it grows out of a climate of poverty and ignorance, helplessness and despair."

Oh, come on. What a load of crap. Excuses, excuses, excuses. They don't like the USA because it's successful, wealthy, and our citizens are free. They want to control us, our thinking, what we eat, who we talk to, etc. It's scary that BHO thinks like this.

If he is elected, we.are.so.screwed.

109 beholden  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:25:16am

First there was "Power to the people!"

...that became "Empathy to the world!"

Which undoubtedly leads to... "Accept Allah and I'll cut off your head quickly."

110 jemima  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:25:23am

#95

Dennis Prager gets it wrong lots of times (Sorry Dennis, and I'm listening to you with Natan Sharansky right now). There's a admonition in Judaism to judge the other person favorably. Dennis goes way overboard with it.

111 wahabicorridor  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:25:59am

re: #99 taxfreekiller


tfk, you forgot Soros

112 Dereck  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:26:01am

This is just Obama being Against the war before he becomes for it.

:-)

113 Penfold  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:26:02am

It's the DNC party line. It's always the victim's fault. Look at their perspective on crime. Punishment bad, rehabilitation good. The poor rapist had no choice in what he did, because of race, or social class, or lack of proper parenting or video games, etc., etc. Give him some therapy and all will be well. There was a victim? Really? Everyone is a victim.
At least BHO had the sense to realize the terrorists have no empathy. It's just everything else is so friggin' wrong. Yeah, we should minimize collateral damage as we pursue terrorists, but not popping them solely out of a concern for collateral damage is naive and dangerous. He sounds like a Miss USA contestant "as Miss USA i want to help children everywhere". JFC, your running for president, not a beauty contestant.

114 shiplord kirel  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:26:05am

Dirt like this will just keep coming out until the election. The sycophantic mainstream media will ignore it, of course, but their monopoly is over. Today, at this blog alone, tens of thousands will see it. The word will continue to filter out.
Our job is to filter the real dirt from the demonizing fantasies that serve only to prop up the left's strawmen, as we saw on the New Yorker cover.
Obama is an empty suit, what ideas he does have are recycled moonbat propaganda. He hasw many genuine connections to the far left and other enemy forces, but he is not a Muslim or a terrorist. And he is a natural born citizen.
If we can keep all that straight, and get the word out, Obama will make McGovern look like FDR.

115 Spirit93  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:26:26am

vxbush, kosh

He did say the cause was a lack of empathy was on their part, not ours. (Which is only slightly less insane).

The rest is just typical lefty unreality.

This is what created so many 9/11 republicans.

116 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:26:49am

re: #96 jemima

Mandy, and anyone else

[Link: shrinkwrapped.blogs.com...]

Thank you. I'd lost it somehow.

117 AuntAcid  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:27:17am

The hijackers spent way too much time in titty bars drinking Hennessey and Coke. Make any man embittered.

118 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:27:53am

OT:

New Kos diary...check it out before they delete it.

Leftist Lunacy
by rbprice

Let it be known, I am a conservative in the vein of Ronald Reagan. I joined DailyKos because I wanted to see for myself what had been described as liberal whack jobs venting their spleens. Having viewed for a few months, I can see that the rumors are all true. It has been said that liberalism is a mental disorder, and although I am not a certified psychologist nor psychiatrist, I can see that there are some severe issues among the vast majority of the diarists who post here. That being said, it may be impossible to penetrate the shell of implacable hatred for anyone who disagrees with those here.
I am reminded of Herman Melville's great novel,"Moby Dick". It seems that there are many Captain Ahabs here. Their undying hatred of anything or anyone who disagrees with their warped and deviant views can be expressed in the simple line..."for hate's sake, I spit at thee..."
I expect nothing but vitriol and obfuscations to be spewed in response, anything more would be so far above their limited minds, that it would effectively be a miracle. No miracles can occur here, since no one believes in God.


Heh.

119 WayDownSouthInBama  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:28:08am
"We must also engage, however, in the more difficult task of understanding the sources of such madness".

I understand the source. It's the Democrat Party.

120 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:28:21am

re: #65 MandyManners

Were the terrorists too uneducated and poor to do this?
This?


I watched Charles slide show again.
I had never seen the pictures of all those people standing on the top floors with no way out, and only one way down.
Watching that and listening to Obamas useless words and other truthers bullshit- Jessie Ventura etc.
They can
Waste their fucking words on the dead Americans whose blood still stains the ground.

I have only one word for all of them

Motherfuckers!

later/ i think i am pissed.

121 Stringart  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:28:32am

re: #100 Kenneth

Welcome to the Democratic Party left!

Fixed :)

122 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:28:47am

Khawaja's jihad e-mails to be allowed in trial: judge

E-mails written by Mohammad Momin Khawaja praising the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks as the "most effective and honorable way" of conducting "economic" jihad can used as evidence in court, the judge in his terror trial ruled Monday.

In his decision, Justice Douglas Rutherford rejected arguments from the defence that the e-mails were prejudicial. He said they offer important insight into Khawaja's state of mind.

Khawaja, 29, the first person charged under Canada's Anti-terrorism Act, is on trial on seven charges for his alleged connection to a plot to set off a fertilizer bomb in England. As part of the charges, he is accused of building the remote-control device for detonating a bomb. Khawaja has pleaded not guilty.

Five of Khawaja's alleged co-conspirators were convicted last year by a British court and sentenced to life in prison.

Rutherford's decision came as the prosecution began wrapping up its presentation against Khawaja, a former software developer who was working for the federal Foreign Affairs Department when he was arrested in 2004 as part of a joint British-Canadian investigation.

The e-mails in question were sent to the woman Khawaja was planning to marry, Zeba Khan.

In one communication in particular, Khawaja goes on at length about his interpretation of jihad. He refers to economic jihad, or holy war, as being important to cripple and bankrupt enemy governments and economies.

"We need [constant] economic J [jihad] blow after blow until they cripple and fall never to rise again," he writes.

In another e-mail, he writes: "What did Sept. 11 do to America? Because of Sept. 11 the airline industry is dead, travel and tourism dead, the U.S. dollar is dead and the economy is practically in a state of recession … Would you not say that the actions of 19 men on Sept. 11 are the most accurate, effective and honorable way of conducting economic J? Imagine if there were 10 Sept. 11's."

Khawaja also writes that he knows innocent human beings died in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, but then argues there is no other way to achieve the same objective with the same effect.

Monster.

123 guitarguy  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:28:50am

This is the same old "We have to ask ourselves WHY they did this to us!" garbage.
And I think it's a bunch of horsesh*t.
I never understood that logic.
As if we could actually get an answer that would make us go "Ohhhhhh. NOW I understand why you want us dead. It's all crystal-clear now.....makes perfect sense."
"NOW I understand why you car-jacked me!"
"NOW I understand why you raped that woman!"
"NOW I understand why you broke into my home and terrorized my family!"

%$#*! moron.

124 'Nam Grunt  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:29:05am

Obama is like Clintoon, they have no clue how the Military works because they have always been cowards and have been afraid to take part in the defense of America plain and simple! Whenever I see either one of them I see a coward.

125 MJ  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:29:09am

Here's a Harvard study that the Harvard-educated Obama evidently couldn't bother to read since it went against one of his liberal assumptions:

Poverty, Political Freedom, and the Roots of Terrorism (NBER Working Paper No. 10859)
[Link: ksghome.harvard.edu...]

Also see:
[Link: www.nber.org...]

126 zombie  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:29:28am
...raising the hopes and prospects of embittered children across the globe—children not just in the Middle East, but also in Africa, Asia, Latin America, Eastern Europe and within our own shores.

What is it with Obama and the "bitter" concept? Why is everyone alway "bitter" or "embittered" in his view?

127 kansas  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:29:40am

Is it just possible this guy is dumber than John Kerry?

128 Cicero05  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:29:55am

I'm not a doctor, but I understand that a lack of empathy can be permanently cured by a carefully-administered Hellfire missile. Many jihadis have already been successfully treated in this manner. Dr. G.W. Bush should be permitted to continue his prescribed course of treatment until the condition is fully resolved.

129 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:30:10am

I'd like to build the world a home
And furnish it with love
Grow apple trees and honey bees
And snow white turtle doves....

Well, ain't that what he's sayin?

130 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:30:15am

re: #92 'Nam Grunt

My empathy is a F-22 Rapture loaded for bear, but that's just me!

"Grunt" -

Against these fellows an F-22 Raptor is wasted. More like it would be an A-10 or a Predator with Hellfires.

-S-

131 maddogg  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:30:22am

re: #118 NJDhockeyfan

OUCH! Thats gonna leave a mark:)

132 itellu3times  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:31:00am

re: #127 kansas

Is it just possible this guy is dumber than John Kerry?

There are different kinds of dumbness.

133 tgibson1962  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:31:00am

People often compare a potential Obama presidency to the Carter years. I never thought I'd hear a comparison which actually made me feel sorry for Carter.

Obama is a disaster-waiting-to-happen in every possible sense. He would make Carter look good, if not possibly great, by comparison. That fact alone is enough to convince me to vote McCain.

134 indythinker  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:31:06am

Those "embittered children" are embittered because their families tell they are superior to all the other humans in the world, who are actually the sons of apes and pigs, and that they should be the richest most powerful people in the world, but they aren't. And so they grab onto a very radical form of Islam and start murdering.

135 'Nam Grunt  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:31:22am

re: #130 Dr. Shalit

Hey I like fire for EFFECT! HAHAHA

136 kansas  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:31:31am

Salute and honorary doctorate to Cicero05.re: #128 Cicero05

137 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:31:32am

re: #122 Kenneth

"What did Sept. 11 do to America? Because of Sept. 11 the airline industry is dead, travel and tourism dead, the U.S. dollar is dead and the economy is practically in a state of recession

Dang, it was crowded when we flew down to Disneyworld last autumn.

138 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:31:37am
139 kansas  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:32:03am

re: #132 itellu3times

There are different kinds of dumbness.


Which one is which?

140 Spider Mensch  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:32:03am

re: #118 NJDhockeyfan

OT:

New Kos diary...check it out before they delete it.

Leftist Lunacy
by rbprice


Heh.


hmmmm...I give credit to rbprice, to wade into that cesspool and brave the stink. good on him. that should be a thread here, just to see how long it stays up like you said.

141 shiplord kirel  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:32:20am

I have plenty of empathy for our enemies. It is easy for me to imagine myself in their shoes: I have no trouble imagining that if I were a crazy, superstitious, hate-filled murderer, I would expect an early and painful demise.

142 nick137  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:32:43am

Perhaps Mr Sen. Obama ought to have read some of A Q's own screeds or perhaps even those of the great grandpappy of the whole movement Sayyid Qutb who was appalled at the immorality on display at a Methodist tea-dance in ealry '50s Colorado (I kid you not). Perhaps then he might have had an inkling.

Even then though... Basically, the short version is this that he is simply not fit to even be considered as Commander-in-Chief in a quiet year let alone during a multi-front war. On foreign and military policy he couldn't get a f*&@ in a monkey whorehouse if he turned up with a sack full of bananas. Oh, and his domestic policies suck too.

143 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:32:59am

re: #118 NJDhockeyfan

OT:

New Kos diary...check it out before they delete it.

Leftist Lunacy
by rbprice


Heh.

Man, reading the comments, I can just feel the love there.

144 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:33:20am
Khawaja also writes that he knows innocent human beings died in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, but then argues there is no other way to achieve the same objective with the same effect.

So Obama thinks a "lack of empathy" is caused by "a climate of poverty and ignorance, helplessness and despair"?

Well, Momin Khawaja was the son of a college professor, lived with his parents and had a well paying job as a computer systems analyst. He wasn't poor, he wasn't ignorant, he was certainly not helpless and never complained of "despair". But he did speak often about his religious duty to wage jihad.

145 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:33:24am

re: #126 zombie

What is it with Obama and the "bitter" concept? Why is everyone alway "bitter" or "embittered" in his view?

Projection.

146 wolfie  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:33:44am

re: #126 zombie

What is it with Obama and the "bitter" concept? Why is everyone alway "bitter" or "embittered" in his view?

Have you read Dreams From My Father?

If you do, keep a pot of honey by your side. You'll need a few spoonfuls to get through some of the more acrid passages.

147 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:34:22am

re: #142 nick137

Perhaps Mr Sen. Obama ought to have read some of A Q's own screeds or perhaps even those of the great grandpappy of the whole movement Sayyid Qutb who was appalled at the immorality on display at a Methodist tea-dance in ealry '50s Colorado (I kid you not). Perhaps then he might have had an inkling.


I thought Qutb was pissed off because he couldn't get laid....

148 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:34:37am

re: #126 zombie

What is it with Obama and the "bitter" concept? Why is everyone alway "bitter" or "embittered" in his view?

That's called "projection". Obama is fundamentally bitter, so he sees it in everybody else.

149 shiplord kirel  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:34:40am
....we will have to devote far more attention to the monumental task of raising the hopes and prospects of embittered children across the globe—children not just in the Middle East, but also in Africa, Asia, Latin America, Eastern Europe and within our own shores.

So, the messiah is concerned about gun-clinging, Bible-spouting redneck kids after all? Probably just wants to send CPS after them.

150 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:34:55am

re: #145 Honorary Yooper

GMTA!

151 mean Gene  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:35:08am

Well, since Obama is a great flip/flopper he only has to learn that his old concepts had been repudiated by intervening facts emerging and he will change his views to be more in line with those more recently exposed facts.
OK, maybe not.
He touched on every single wishy-washy liberal hot button for why 9-11-01 was all our fault.
No amount of facts will lead him to now blame the perps.
(Well, not until HE's in the White House, that is.)

152 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:35:09am

re: #65 MandyManners

Were the terroritsts too uneducated and poor to do this?

This?

I could not help but notice a lot of the related videos to the second link on YouTube were moonbat videos. Why did that not surprise me?

153 Spider Mensch  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:35:47am

obama better stop reading the reader digest and cliff notes versions of "terrorism the root causes". This man may be smart, but he's not smart enough. not by a long shot is he smart enough to run my country.

154 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:35:52am

re: #113 Penfold

Yeah, we should minimize collateral damage as we pursue terrorists


I am reminded of another quote:


The guerrilla must move amongst the people as a fish swims in the sea.


This is what al Qaeda has tried to do in the Mohammedan world. The Mohammedans facilitate this by protecting the radicals behind a wall of "Religion of Peace" rhetoric. So far, we are winning, but that is only because al Qaeda is so fucking violent that they will blow up Mohammedans when they can't get Americans to blow up. Even in preference to, it seems. Our strategy in Iraq has worked primarily because al Qaeda is afraid to allow a functioning Democracy to be formed there.

Imagine if all the legions of suicide bombers had come to the United States, instead of Iraq. How would we have had to fight the insurgancy here? One way or another you have to dry up the sea. Instead of criticizing, the "Moderates", both Mohammedan and not, should be wanting our endevor in Iraq to succeed.

Of course, that is not what we see happening over here. Quite the opposite, really.

155 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:36:03am

re: #124 'Nam Grunt

Obama is like Clintoon, they have no clue how the Military works because they have always been cowards and have been afraid to take part in the defense of America plain and simple! Whenever I see either one of them I see a coward.

Amen.

Good to see you Grunt-
I worry about the futures of our grandchildren more than mine.

such shit as we have or might have in leadership.

156 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:36:27am

re: #58 Gus Bailey

One last thing, then back to the wheel:

Post Turtle

Postmodern turtle, actually.

Like a post turtle, but more nuanced.

157 jill e  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:36:35am

Also from the New Yorker article:

[Rickey] Hendon told me, “He’s [Obama's] the one that got mad, because he said I embarrassed him on the Senate floor. That’s when he came over to my desk.” Before Nottage broke them up, Obama, who had learned to box from his Indonesian stepfather, supposedly told Hendon, “I’m going to kick your ass!” Hendon said, “He said something like that.”

158 rasachema  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:36:50am

The objective is for our enemies die for their country (or religion).

159 LeatherNeckLady  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:37:00am

Proof positive that the man is WRONG for this country! Obama is a gutless wonder!

160 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:37:23am

re: #137 Silhouette

Heck, it was pretty damn busy on the GSP this weekend, despite the high gas prices. Folks were definitely out and about.

161 Tilly  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:37:50am

re: #9 thedopefishlives

*deep sigh*

How many times do I have to repeat myself before people GET IT?

There can be NO NEGOTIATION with people whose only demand is "You must die."

It's either kill or be killed, and it's patently obvious which side Barack Hussein Obama (yes, I went there) is on.

What he said....

162 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:37:58am
Finally, we will have to devote far more attention to the monumental task of raising the hopes and prospects of embittered children across the globe—children not just in the Middle East, but also in Africa, Asia, Latin America, Eastern Europe and within our own shores.


I remember a few days after 9/11 I asked my sister if the event had caused her to rethink any of her Left-wing views, her answer was NO. She told me that 9/11 only proved that the US needs to share their wealth with the world and that feeding the poor and building schools was the proper response to the attack on the World Trade Center.

Most Lefties simply can not conceive of any enemy other than ourselves....even after an attack, all they can think is what did we do to provoke such hatred?

163 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:38:12am

Sometimes I rue the day that the internal combustion engine was invented.

164 JOHNNYREB  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:38:22am

re: #148 Kenneth

He is most definitely a bitter man, and in my opinion, his wife is more bitter than he is. But he was taught to be that, both in school and his church. Obama has had opportunities that most Americans (of any race )can only dream about.

He has absolutely no reason to be bitter, yet he is. It must suck going through life like that.

165 pat  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:38:33am

What a dolt. And now he is committed to defending Islam because so many family members are Muslim.

166 coquimbojoe  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:38:38am

Problem is many will eat this up with a spoon. Their knees will go weak.

167 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:38:59am

re: #156 Dar ul Harb

They can be on both sides of the fence at once.

168 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:38:59am
169 SanDiegoReasoner  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:39:28am

Perhaps American children, under Obama's leadership, should be forced to spend part of their education at a madrassa so that we could all "empathize" with the hate towards us.

170 wolfie  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:39:36am

re: #156 Dar ul Harb

Postmodern turtle™ - Dar ur Harb

171 ciaospirit  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:39:50am

re: #115 Spirit93

He did say the cause was a lack of empathy was on their part, not ours. (Which is only slightly less insane).

No, it's not slightly less insane. He went on to excuse the lack and put the burden on us. In effect, the terrorists had no empathy because we haven't done enough to lift them out of their misery. It's a roundabout way to blame America.

Most often, though, it grows out of a climate of poverty and ignorance, helplessness and despair.

Finally, we will have to devote far more attention to the monumental task of raising the hopes and prospects of embittered children across the globe—children not just in the Middle East, but also in Africa, Asia, Latin America, Eastern Europe and within our own shores.

172 kalvinb  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:39:50am

Obama is losing ground rather fast. He's losing the Obamicans. He's trying to pander to the evangelicals but his record on abortion makes that an exercise in hypocricy. It's one thing to fail in upholding your moral values, which is why you need Christ in the first place, it's quite another to be lacking in them to begin with. It's pretty ridiculous that he's trying to buy them off with promises of money for social programs run by religious organizations.

The far left has been reduced him to the lesser of two evils.

He used to be the honest, well spoken candidate. Now he's a bumbling flip flopping fool.

If he was still a rockstar I'd be far more worried about November. But he's not. The young voters will probably continue to lose interest as he continues on. He can't rely on the black vote, caucuses or proportional delegates to get him a win in the general election.

His values simply are not the values of the majority of Americans and those values are what compel people to vote.

173 Timbre  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:40:00am
"We will have to be unwavering in opposing bigotry or discrimination directed against neighbors and friends of Middle Eastern descent."

Hey, Obama, Jews are of Middle Eastern descent. And the Muslims have been trying to kill them ever since they outraged Muhammad by refusing to submit to his supremacist, self-anointed, "prophet-hood." But history doesn't faze you does it?

174 Abu Al-Poopypants  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:40:40am

Bloodnok :

This sounds like Obama-clone Deval Patrick's "9/11 Was a Failure in Human Understanding" comments last year.

Seeing as how Cadillac Deval's speeches and slogans are being recycled to get the Messiah in the White House, I'd say that Osama, uh, heh heh er Obama is the one who's the clone.

175 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:40:42am

The Audacity of Moral Equivalence.

176 Charles  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:40:50am

re: #172 kalvinb

It's one thing to fail in upholding your moral values, which is why you need Christ in the first place, it's quite another to be lacking in them to begin with.

I do NOT agree that only Christians can be moral human beings.

177 wolfie  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:41:00am

re: #164 JOHNNYREB

His whole family was bitter. (I exclude his father, who left too early to be part of his actual family.)

178 Opinionated  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:41:29am

Slowly, but on a trajectory that may come to its summit in Nov ,I seem to be switching places with Michele Obama.

That this guy could likely be the next President, particularly just years after 9/11, makes me if not despise America, despise many of its dumb-ass citizens.

179 jill e  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:41:36am

re: #168 buzzsawmonkey

Comments by the New Yorker cover artist and his contemporaries here and here.

One commenter was asking if the artist will have to ask Salman Rushdie about hiding spots! LOL!

180 MJ  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:42:12am

Another university study which says there is no link between terrorism and poverty:


"...available evidence is nearly unanimous in rejecting either material deprivation or inadequate educa­tion as important causes of support for terrorism or participation in terrorist activities. Such explana­tions have been embraced almost entirely on faith, not scientific evidence."

[Link: www.american.com...]

181 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:42:22am

re: #144 Kenneth

Actually (and people here already know this) there have been several studies to indicate quite the opposite. It is the more affluent fanatic Muslims who become terrorists-I believe engineers and doctors are the most common.

182 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:42:34am

re: #147 CIA Reject

I thought Qutb was pissed off because he couldn't get laid....

Nope, because he couldn't get a decent haircut.

/no lie

183 Abu Al-Poopypants  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:43:01am

I agree with Charles... In fact you could argue that people who are moral absent any threats of punishment by invisible sky wizards could be considered more moral, but that sort of thing gets people upset, so I won't.

184 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:43:22am
185 vagabond trader  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:43:23am

Just watched a bio of Zawahiri partnerof OBL. The only thing these madmen care about is their vision of Islam dominating the world. It matters not one iota to them how many die, rich, poor, or whether they are infidel or Muslims. It's the old power at all costs trip. Much as it is with socialists like the Obama.

186 Timbre  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:43:31am

Count the "we must" and "we will" terms. Barack Obama is a liberal totalitarian of the first degree.

187 rightwinger3  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:43:40am

re: #169 SanDiegoReasoner

Perhaps American children, under Obama's leadership, should be forced to spend part of their education at a madrassa so that we could all "empathize" with the hate towards us.

How can they when they'll be doing "community service"? They won't have time unless that's the community service.

188 wolfie  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:44:04am

re: #182 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Nope, because he couldn't get a decent haircut.

/no lie

Well, okay. I have to admit that's a better excuse for murder and mayhem than most.


/

189 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:44:49am

re: #164 JOHNNYREB

Obama's bitterness was taught very young by his mother & father. Have you watched him talk about how his father left him & his mom? He was very scarred by that, and by his mother's subsequent wandering, first to Indonesia and then, dropping Obama with her parents, when she left him to travel the world. This is the root of Obama's narcissism and bitterness.

190 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:45:17am

re: #126 zombie

Without being embittered and 'misunderstood', there would be nothing for the left to opine upon and 'fix'. They require real, or supposed malaise-it's their raison d'etre.

Just like the racketerring "Human Rights Commissions" here in Canada. Without "racism" and "hate", they are out of jobs.

191 'Nam Grunt  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:45:27am

Although I believe in the Lord, it was dedication to Country that motivated me to join the Army in time of war and volunteer twice to go across the pond to a fate I knew not what, but Duty, Honor, Country were my morals and still are!

192 Shaky Louie  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:45:28am

re: #35 winston06

Dhimmis would empathize with their own killers


"Stockholm syndrom", anyone?

The croc will always be hungry.

193 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:45:40am

re: #176 Charles

I do NOT agree that only Christians can be moral human beings.

On a related note it is interesting to note that islam is unique among world religions as it has no concept of the "Golden Rule"- which is an expression of the categorical imperative that defines morality.

Hence while people of any religion can behave morally those who practice islam are not bound by their religion to do so.

194 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:45:58am

re: #162 Ringo the Gringo

I remember a few days after 9/11 I asked my sister if the event had caused her to rethink any of her Left-wing views, her answer was NO. She told me that 9/11 only proved that the US needs to share their wealth with the world and that feeding the poor and building schools was the proper response to the attack on the World Trade Center.

Most Lefties simply can not conceive of any enemy other than ourselves....even after an attack, all they can think is what did we do to provoke such hatred?

When lefties talk of the "US sharing its wealth", they are talking about the government taking your money, and mine, and redistributing it around the world.

Lefties talk about the "wealth of the U.S." as if it's owned by all, instead of privately earned wealth.

195 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:45:58am

re: #180 MJ

Another university study which says there is no link between terrorism and poverty:


"...available evidence is nearly unanimous in rejecting either material deprivation or inadequate educa­tion as important causes of support for terrorism or participation in terrorist activities. Such explana­tions have been embraced almost entirely on faith, not scientific evidence."

[Link: www.american.com...]

Shhhhh! Don't confuse people with facts. It just forces them to think.

196 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:46:15am

re: #96 jemima

Mandy, and anyone else

[Link: shrinkwrapped.blogs.com...]

I had that bookmarked from the other day. Thank you for the reminder.

197 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:46:15am
198 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:46:24am

re: #172 kalvinb

why you need Christ in the first place

With respect, be VERRRRY careful with that.

199 wolfie  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:46:45am

re: #189 Kenneth

Exactly. But his family taught him to blame Others.

200 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:47:39am
201 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:47:40am

re: #163 MandyManners,

I rue the day Jimmy Carter was elected President. The internal combustion engine is one of the primary driving forces of modernization and growth in the 20th Century. This makes oil central to our economy. We just haven't acted like it, really, ever.

We needed to be drilling and developing 30 years ago when Jimmah was telling us to wear a sweater.

202 LeatherNeckLady  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:48:09am

Do my eyes deceive me? Or is that dust and rubble that I see falling from the pedestal that Obama has been placed on. *crumble....crumble...crumble*

Barack Obama sat on a wall...
Barack Obama had a great fall...
All the Democrats money and all the Democrats Obamanites couldn't put Barack Obama back together again!

203 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:48:12am

re: #183 Abu Al-Poopypants

You'd probably get a fair hearing if you didn't use terms like "invisible sky wizards." That kind of language is more suitable for Fark. Oh, and I agree with Charles.

204 rightwinger3  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:48:44am

re: #191 'Nam Grunt

Although I believe in the Lord, it was dedication to Country that motivated me to join the Army in time of war and volunteer twice to go across the pond to a fate I knew not what, but Duty, Honor, Country were my morals and still are!

I'm with you, brother.

205 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:48:58am

re: #181 WriterMom

Yup.

Yasser Arafat: engineer
Osama bin Laden: engineer
Ayman Zawhiri: doctor
Mohammed Atta: engineer
Dr Abdel al-Rantissi: pediatrician
Bashir Assad: optometrist
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: PhD in civil engineering

206 realwest  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:49:20am

As others have pointed out, this is essentially just so much bullshit.
The Terrorists were led by well-educated (by Muslim ME standards) men of means. Their only philosophy was (and remains) WE WANT POWER AND WE WANT IT NOW!
That tens of thousands, indeed, on 9/12/01 possibly millions of innocent civilians would die in their thirst for POWER mattered to them not at all; in fact, I'd be greatly surprised if they even took note of that possibility.
Senator Obama, to the extent you gave any "cover" to those terrorists with your remarks - which were NOT off-the-cuff - proves that you are absolutely morally and intellectually unfit to serve as President of The United States and Leader of the Free World.

207 wolfie  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:49:26am

re: #194 reine.de.tout

When lefties talk of the "US sharing its wealth", they are talking about the government taking your money, and mine, and redistributing it around the world.

Lefties talk about the "wealth of the U.S." as if it's owned by all, instead of privately earned wealth.

Exactly. That's why tax cuts are a "giveaway."

Like a thief who has stolen your silverware mails you a teaspoon as a "gift."

208 Anna  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:49:27am

Obama is merely projecting the meme that explains inner city violence onto the international stage.

Just another reason, about 4.535.013, why Obama should not be leader of anything including a fan club.

209 NoSubmission  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:49:31am

He under estimates the terrorists. They knew full well what pain they would bring.
This is why our enemies cheer Obama.

210 'Nam Grunt  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:49:51am

Addendum: God Bless these Brave Warriors that are so self sacrificing to defend our Country with their Bravery! We owe them more than a spit that I endured when I came home the 1st time a 70 year old man in a 21 year old body!

211 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:50:03am

re: #183 Abu Al-Poopypants
There is no call to use derogatory terms for some lizards beliefs.

212 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:50:34am

re: #182 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Nope, because he couldn't get a decent haircut.

/no lie

OMG! Somebody get BO HQ on the line! I've got his newest talking point: 9/11 was the fault of western BARBERS!
////////////////////////

213 jcbunga  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:50:36am

Well if he's gonna go all Deanna Troi on me to explain acts of war, let's see if he can guess what I'm thinking now....I've seen people twist themselves into pretzels to avoid the obvious, but this is a big pretzel BO has proposed.

214 songbird  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:50:44am

Well, let BO keep talking like that and watch McCain win. BO and MO show is a losing venture.

215 abilene  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:51:12am

Hussain Obama is the definition of the Peter Principle.

216 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:51:16am

re: #38 MandyManners

The terrorists did lack empathy but, that was because they were adherents to a religion started by a malignant narcissist murdering pedophile.

Historically correct optional ending.

217 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:51:42am

re: #201 Iron Fist

,

I rue the day Jimmy Carter was elected President. The internal combustion engine is one of the primary driving forces of modernization and growth in the 20th Century. This makes oil central to our economy. We just haven't acted like it, really, ever.

We needed to be drilling and developing 30 years ago when Jimmah was telling us to wear a sweater.

I just hate the fact that we ever needed those oil ticks in the first place.

218 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:51:43am

re: #163 MandyManners

Sometimes I rue the day that the internal combustion engine was invented.

Mandy -

The IC engine in a vehicle beats the hell out of stepping around Horse Poop on Main Street. Beyond that, gasoline is NOT the only way to fuel it.
Don't just take my word for it - listen to T. Boone Pickens' self-financed commercials. Apart from range, CNG is a great replacement, and it can be generated from Domestic Coal.

-S-

219 akak  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:52:03am

AP pulls a CNN!

[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

220 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:52:09am

re: #209 NoSubmission

I wonder if he actually used the word "terrorists" to describe the perpetrators? Or, were they just "attackers"?

221 NoSubmission  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:52:28am

I wonder if Obama shed one tear that day.

222 Abu Al-Poopypants  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:52:35am

OK, I'll retract the "invisible sky wizard" term and substitute "IMO imaginary supernatural being". Sorry to offend.

223 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:52:38am

re: #183 Abu Al-Poopypants

In fact you could argue that people who are moral absent any threats of punishment by invisible sky wizards could be considered more moral, but that sort of thing gets people upset, so I won't.

Good. Don't.

224 NoSubmission  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:53:10am

re: #220 WriterMom

I wonder if he actually used the word "terrorists" to describe the perpetrators? Or, were they just "attackers"?


Good catch. I'm surprised he didn't refer to them as just embittered.

225 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:53:14am

re: #222 Abu Al-Poopypants

Just as bad.

226 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:53:20am

re: #199 wolfie

We all heard that in school, or in the media, or from family & friends. Most of us rejected the notion as logically absurd and morally offensive, because that is how we were raised. Obama, and the millions of other Western leftists, swallowed the self-loathing doctrines of "progressivism" because it confirmed the dysfunctional psychology they were raised with and the values they were inculcated with.

227 tgibson1962  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:53:25am

re: #183 Abu Al-Poopypants

I'm pretty sure that absent the threat of punishment, temporal or eternal, there'd be a LOT less moral people. For example, if murder weren't punished how many more murders would there be? I don't think not doing something out of fear of punishment, whatever the source, qualifies as morality; it's just self-interest.

228 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:53:27am

re: #183 Abu Al-Poopypants

I agree with Charles... In fact you could argue that people who are moral absent any threats of punishment by invisible sky wizards could be considered more moral, but that sort of thing gets people upset, so I won't.

With respect, I think I see what you meant, however, your choice of language might be blocking perception of your point.

229 The Other Les  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:53:30am

re: #18 astronmr20

Why do they insist on going into "poverty" as a cause of Islamic terrorism, when the Bin Laden family is one of the most wealthy in the world?

Can you say, "Marxism"?

230 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:53:35am

re: #222 Abu Al-Poopypants
That ain't much better.

231 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:53:36am
232 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:53:41am

re: #216 Cap'n DOC

The terrorists did lack empathy but, that was because they were adherents to a religion started by a malignant narcissist murdering pedophile.

Historically correct optional ending.

I guarantee you narcissism or some other personality disorder lies at the root of pedophilia.

233 Abu Al-Poopypants  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:54:09am

How is it "just as bad" if I say "IMO"? You're being disrespectful of my (lack of) beliefs.

234 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:54:50am

re: #218 Dr. Shalit

Mandy -

The IC engine in a vehicle beats the hell out of stepping around Horse Poop on Main Street. Beyond that, gasoline is NOT the only way to fuel it.
Don't just take my word for it - listen to T. Boone Pickens' self-financed commercials. Apart from range, CNG is a great replacement, and it can be generated from Domestic Coal.

-S-

From what I've gathered from Pickens' commercials, he is not calling for more domestic drilling to cut the dependence on oil ticks.

235 Abu Al-Poopypants  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:54:53am

buzzsawmonkey , thanks.

236 WrathofG-d  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:55:33am

re: #1 vxbush

The empahthy for one that wants to kill you is an acceptance of their right to kill you.

How this makes sense to anyone is beyond my comprehension.

Obama is going to put his feelings into action: Obama to emphasize with the PLO.

237 David Simon  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:55:39am

re: #126 zombie

What is it with Obama and the "bitter" concept? Why is everyone alway "bitter" or "embittered" in his view?

He's playing to his audience. It's an expansion of the race-hustling theme: Obama needs "bitterness" the same way charlatans like Jackson and Sharpton need racism.

238 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:56:11am
239 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:56:30am
Finally, we will have to devote far more attention to the monumental task of raising the hopes and prospects of embittered children across the globe

Ah, yes. The children. "Will someone please think about the children?"

This is the liberal rhetorical equivalent of duct tape. Use it patch over the holes in content-free thought.

240 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:56:43am
241 The Other Les  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:57:13am

re: #23 GreenDroll

A failure of empathy indeed. Obama just has empathy for the wrong folks, that's all.
I am afraid that the Democrats have managed to nominate another in a long string of unbelievably unqualified candidates for president. Some of these morons get elected.

We, the rational and productive, are the enemy. We must be disarmed and controlled. We and the work that we do are the key to their survival and well being.

"They need us. We do not need them."

-- Ayn Rand.

242 songbird  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:57:19am

re: #222 Abu Al-Poopypants

re: #225 Cap'n DOC

re: #231 buzzsawmonkey

The population of Lizardia is wondrously diverse.

243 Hard Right  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:57:24am

re: #209 NoSubmission

He under estimatesinsists on making excuses for the terrorists. He Does not have the guts to fight them. They knew full well what pain they would bring.
This is why our enemies cheer Obama.

Adjusted

244 Colonel Panik  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:57:30am

re: #200 buzzsawmonkey

Stalin referred to Jews, which he hated, as "rootless cosmopolitans." Obama the Marxist actually is a rootless cosmopolitan.

I think he hates and envies those who do have roots in an America to which he does not feel connected, and that is one of the reasons that he is so often found rooting for the other side.

That is a very perceptive post.

245 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:57:35am

re: #220 WriterMom

I wonder if he actually used the word "terrorists" to describe the perpetrators? Or, were they just "attackers"?

"Terrorist" is a hurtful word & value judgment. Hurtful words cause profound psychic harm on the victims of word-crime. Better to use value neutral and non-judgmental words like "activist" when describing the "differently moraled".

246 wolfie  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:57:42am

re: #200 buzzsawmonkey

Stalin referred to Jews, which he hated, as "rootless cosmopolitans." Obama the Marxist actually is a rootless cosmopolitan.

I think he hates and envies those who do have roots in an America to which he does not feel connected, and that is one of the reasons that he is so often found rooting for the other side.


As far as his feelings for most Americans, I think it's contempt, not envy.

I do think he envies black Americans, though.

247 Darwin Akbar  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:57:45am

Subsequently, Obama did, however, criticise Muslim terrorists as "bitter people" who "cling to their guns and religion" to justify their acts of terrorism.....

Oh that's right...he was speaking about Christians.....my mistake!

For the Obamas of this world, there are no enemies, only friends whose grievances we have yet to accomodate.

And in case anyone thinks that he's changed his opinions since then, just recently, he said that it was important to engage Hamas and Hezbolla to "listen to their grievances."

248 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:57:56am

re: #207 wolfie

Exactly. That's why tax cuts are a "giveaway."

Like a thief who has stolen your silverware mails you a teaspoon as a "gift."

One of Hillary's ads, last December or so I think, showed her at home wrapping "Christmas gifts" that she wanted to "give".

They were labelled with tags like "Heath Care" and other such programs - notice, it wasn't Hillary using her own resources as "gifts" - her "gifts" were gifts consisting of the use of other people's resources.

A most telling ad, IMHO.

249 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:58:17am

re: #233 Abu Al-Poopypants

You could just say "supernatural beings" without the editorial "IMO imaginary." I think we'd get the point.

And may I commend the lizardim on the civilized nature of our discourse on this topic.

250 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:58:34am

re: #225 Cap'n DOC

Just as bad.

No, it really wasn't.

251 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:58:51am

re: #222 Abu Al-Poopypants

"A great many of those who 'debunk' traditional...values have in the background values of their own which they believe to be immune from the debunking process."

--C.S.Lewis

252 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:59:39am

re: #233 Abu Al-Poopypants,

I recognize that you believe in nothing, and consider that this makes you superior to those who believe in something. Why you feel the need to bring people to your faith is somewhat confusing to me. I must admit, I've never understood Evangelical Atheists.

253 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:59:39am

re: #222 Abu Al-Poopypants

OK, I'll retract the "invisible sky wizard" term and substitute "IMO imaginary supernatural being". Sorry to offend.

It's a matter of coming in to Charles' house and then being crass and boorish enough to insult the other guests. Most impolite. And unnecessary, you can make your point without it.

254 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:00:03am

re: #222 Abu Al-Poopypants

OK, I'll retract the "invisible sky wizard" term and substitute "IMO imaginary supernatural being". Sorry to offend.

People of faith believe in truths which cannot be proved (ie the existence of "imaginary" supernatural beings).

Is it your position that one should only believe in truths which can be proved?

255 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:00:20am

re: #249 doppelganglander

You could just say "supernatural beings" without the editorial "IMO imaginary." I think we'd get the point.

Why is it offensive for an atheist to offer his opinion that supernatural beings are imaginary?

256 Muadib  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:00:20am

Note to Obama.

We have plenty of empathy. We are working and fighting to free millions upon millions of people from the grip of tyranny all over the world.

257 wolfie  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:00:24am

re: #226 Kenneth

Very good point. :)

258 kansas  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:00:27am

Does empathy mean knowing there are Muslim males learning to fly jetliners, express no interest in taking off or landing and then not doing anything about it? That kind of empathy?

259 Abu Al-Poopypants  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:00:45am

"If you want to get together in any exclusive situation and have people love you, fine - but to hang all this desperate sociology on the idea of The Cloud-Guy who has The Big Book, who knows if you've been bad or good - and CARES about any of it - to hang it all on that, folks, is the chimpanzee part of the brain working." F. Zappa

260 'Nam Grunt  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:01:18am

Water is almost the same price as gas, liberal moonbats gotta love them, we live in an insane world, I remember as a kid opening a faucet at a neighbors house for a drink when I was thirsty while playing!

261 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:01:29am

re: #232 MandyManners

Narcissism & pedophilia

262 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:01:32am

re: #252 Iron Fist

I must admit, I've never understood Evangelical Atheists.

To me, personally, it's all about the non-snake non-handling.

263 realwest  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:01:32am

re: #219 akak You should forward that or report it to Charles - it's an absolutely disgusting display of journalistic "ethics" and "morals" or rather the lack thereof.

264 kyjed  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:01:35am

“Finally, we will have to devote far more attention to the monumental task of raising the hopes and prospects of embittered children across the globe…”

As they cling to their Korans and empty food bowls, we can promise them one thing: Change!

265 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:01:39am

re: #233 Abu Al-Poopypants

LOL. See my #251.

266 WrathofG-d  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:01:55am

Since "empathy" is on the table, what can I get for 3,000 years of persecution?

~Me thinks I deserve more than just 26,990 sq. km of oilless desert and the right to defend myself.

267 Racer X  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:02:10am

re: #218 Dr. Shalit
Checking Pickens' site now. Interesting:

America is addicted to foreign oil.

It's an addiction that threatens our economy, our environment and our national security. It touches every part of our daily lives and ties our hands as a nation and a people.

The addiction has worsened for decades and now it's reached a point of crisis.

In 1970, we imported 24% of our oil.
Today it's nearly 70% and growing.

As imports grow and world prices rise, the amount of money we send to foreign nations every year is soaring. At current oil prices, we will send $700 billion dollars out of the country this year alone — that's four times the annual cost of the Iraq war.

Projected over the next 10 years the cost will be $10 trillion — it will be the greatest transfer of wealth in the history of mankind.

268 NoSubmission  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:02:16am

re: #260 'Nam Grunt

Water is almost the same price as gas, liberal moonbats gotta love them, we live in an insane world, I remember as a kid opening a faucet at a neighbors house for a drink when I was thirsty while playing!


Your neighbors should have been arrested!
/

269 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:02:40am

re: #259 Abu Al-Poopypants

Piss up a rope.

270 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:03:08am

re: #259 Abu Al-Poopypants

Now that guy has to be one of the world's most profound philosophers.

/S

271 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:03:22am

re: #259 Abu Al-Poopypants

I retract my:
re: #228 pre-Boomer Marine brat

272 Abu Al-Poopypants  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:03:27am

I gotta get back to work... I'm sorry for derailing the thread.

This should be about how Obama is a LLL moron.

273 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:03:39am

re: #261 Kenneth

Narcissism & pedophilia

NAMBLA: The Society of Malignant Narcissists.

274 'Nam Grunt  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:03:49am

Obama is not going to be President, that's a fact!

275 realwest  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:04:09am

re: #242 songbird
"The population of Lizardia is wondrously diverse.
There, fixed that for you.

276 WrathofG-d  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:04:11am

re: #272 Abu Al-Poopypants

I gotta get back to work... I'm sorry for derailing the thread.

This should be about how Obama is a LLL moron.

Exactly, and not about how Abu is a moron.

277 Abu Al-Poopypants  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:04:15am

Mandy... nice. Thanks.

278 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:04:25am
We will have to make sure, despite our rage, that any U.S. military action takes into account the lives of innocent civilians abroad.

Leaving aside the already-noted "blame the victim" mentality, note the dodge as well, as young Obama was already learning to skate between the nutroot left and the more moderate left: He's not saying there should be military action... nor that there shouldn't be... just that, IF we do it, we should be nice about it.

279 realwest  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:04:58am

Well I'm off to eat lunch all y'all - I do hope that you all have a GREAT day and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

280 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:05:13am

re: #277 Abu Al-Poopypants
If you wish to hurl insults with believers see the previous ID thread.

281 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:05:19am

re: #233 Abu Al-Poopypants

I swear there are some people here who are taking the Islamic Correspondence Course on Being Perpetually Aggrieved About Religion.

And don't assume to know what my religious beliefs are; any that have tried have usually failed abysmally. I just don't and won't talk about something that is intensely personal to and for me.

282 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:05:40am

re: #259 Abu Al-Poopypants

[BONG]

283 wolfie  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:05:45am

re: #228 pre-Boomer Marine brat

With respect, I think I see what you meant, however, your choice of language might be blocking perception of your point.

Well, the main point may be to demonstrate some imaginary superiority.

284 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:07:09am

Completely on-topic, my dad sent me this e-mail just now.


Welcome to Toastmasters, June 13, 2033. That's right: 2033.

Today Rick Campbell, one of our senior members at age 87, is here to reminisce a bit and give us a history lesson. He says he is so old that he learned to drive an internal combustion engine car (remember those) with a manual transmission. He once owned a typewriter. He remembers when bicycles had one speed, phones had two-party lines, and cameras had something called film. As incredible as this may seem, he says that when he was young, it was common for people to smoke in restaurants and public places. He is from a different time; almost a different world.

I'm sure all of us are far too familiar with the tragic events of 2010, so Rick is not going to plow that fertile field again. Instead, he is going to give us a personal look back at the conditions which led up to that fateful year, in a speech titled "2010 Was Not A Good Year To Be President."

"2010 Was Not A Good Year To Be President"

Yes, 2010 was long ago and far away.

As we look back on history, it appears that some Presidents had an easy ride- times of growth and stability. Teddy Roosevelt, Warren G. Harding, Dwight Eisenhower, Bill Clinton come to mind. Those were good years to be President.

Others were elected just when the Republic was facing terrible crises: Abraham Lincoln, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, George W. Bush. They rose to the occasion, even though they were controversial and widely hated while in office. Not such good years to be President.

Just a few years prior, in 2008, the country began foundering. We were in the sixth year of the Iraqi Occupation, and the economy was flat. The mainstream press clearly wanted a Democrat elected.

Although we didn't know it until some years later, oil producing nations had colluded to secretly buy their own oil on the open market, driving oil prices to shocking levels above the true demand price- reaching a high of $162 a barrel in October, 2008, just before the general elections.

Their purpose was simple: to effect regime change in the United States. And of course, the U.S. economy was already in a real estate slump and also suffering the curse of stagflation; slow growth and high inflation.

There were a million home foreclosures. Independent truckers went under by the thousands. Airlines failed. Airlines with names now long-forgotten: United, Delta, Northwestern, American. All now merged, of course, into the one lone U.S. carrier we love so much: Southwest.

Against this backdrop of weariness of the war on terror, and economic distress, the American people were ripe for a demagogue, and they certainly got one in Barack Hussein Obama. He and his running mate Kathlene Sibelius inspired them with vague notions of hope and change; of a world in which diplomacy settled all international problems, of free universal health care, of abundant alternative energy, of peace and love. It was a vision too good to resist.

The Republican nominee, a name you probably haven't heard in years? Yes, it was John McCain, an obscure Senator from Arizona had no clue how to run a national campaign, and a platform nearly as liberal as Obama's. The selection of Condoleeza Rice as his running mate looked brilliant at first. Unfortunately, black voters viewed her as white, and women voters viewed her as one of the guys. Even so, the McCain/Rice ticket would have won the election if it weren't for the fact that 16 percent of conservative Republicans voted for anyone remember? That's right, Bob Barr, another name that's a footnote in history.

After Obama's narrow win, thanks to recounts in Broward County, Florida, the country was positively giddy. A Democrat House, Senate, and President. At last an end to gridlock in Washington.

Camelot!

When Congress convened in January, 2009, the 44th President of the United States did something unique in history: he made good on his campaign promises.

(continued)

285 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:07:57am

(continuing)

Certainly most Americans never really thought he was serious during the campaign. But whether because of inexperience, idealism, or simply incompetence, he followed through.

In Obama's first One Hundred Days, the Congress passed his initiatives, and he signed them into law as he said he would. He repealed the Bush tax cuts, and increased capital gains taxes. He enacted a windfall profits tax, and instituted price controls on gasoline and diesel fuel. He passed universal health care, which added an additional 10 percent tax increase on all working Americans. He signed the Immigrant Amnesty bill which created 12 million new citizens instantly, each with entitlements. He closed the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, and summarily released all the detainees. He repealed the Patriot Act, and cut funding for espionage, and eliminated all terrorist listening and wiretaps.

Most important, he began the complete and immediate withdrawal of all American troops from Iraq. He ignored the advice of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who wanted to retain bases in Kuwait and Qatar. Instead, he went with the recommendation of Secretary of Defense Dennis Kucinich, and ordered all troops back to U.S. soil.

Voila! In One Hundred Days, by May of 2009, it was all done, and the vision was complete. He did exactly what he said he would do.

And so it was in the summer of 2009 that things began to unravel for Obama.

Of course, the economy needed a tax cut, not an increase, and unemployment quickly rose to 12 percent. Even attorneys and economists were put in the bread lines. Price controls on gasoline immediately led to shortages and gas lines. The global cooling trend we have seen for the past 25 years first became obvious in 2009, exposing the CO2 global warming fraud. Federal deficits increased massively because thousands of baby boomers, facing job loss and much higher taxes, simply gave up and took social security.

Although the superb U.S. health care system was thrown into disarray, the bright spot was the creation of the Federal Department of Health care, and the immediate hiring of 250,000 administrators, inspectors and auditors, the only job growth in any economic sector in 2009.

By February 2010, the U.S. military withdrawal from Iraq was complete. It was a very expensive undertaking.

And then in March, the gradual Shiite insurgencies from Iran turned into a true Iraqi civil war. In May, Iranian tanks crossed the border and quickly took Baghdad. Although the exact number is not known, at least 230,000 Sunni Iraqis died as we stood by.

Iran also quickly moved into undefended Kuwait. President Obama did exactly what he said he would. He sent Secretary of State, Maria Cantwell, to Tehran to meet with Iranian President Ahmadinejad. After two weeks of high level talks, the United States agreed to allow Iran to retain Iraq and Kuwait to create stability in the Middle East, with the understanding that Israel would not be disturbed.
Cantwell returned to Washington, and explained the agreement in her famous speech, in which she proudly noted that the Obama administration had finally achieved "peace in our time" in the
Middle East.

So there was some surprise at the rocket attacks on Tel Aviv on August 14th.

President Obama said, "This is not the Mahmoud Ahmadinejad I knew." The Obama administration decided it would be de-stabilizing to take sides in the conflict, and approximately 29,000 Israeli civilians died during the summer and fall.

American Jews were appalled at the inaction. Yes, in 2010 most American Jews were Democrats, but because of 2010, they are solid Republicans today.

(continued)

286 wolfie  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:08:20am

re: #248 reine.de.tout

Whoa! Telling, indeed !

287 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:08:28am

(finishing)

As awkward as it was, everything might have turned out all right for the Obama administration going into the fall mid-term elections of 2010, if it hadn't been for the dirty bomb in the Port of Long Beach. The administration had cut funding for the inspection of containers, because they felt it showed a "lack of trust" in the international trading community.

It wasn't really a very big bomb, and thank goodness, not a real nuclear device, but nonetheless it contaminated some expensive real estate-Newport Beach, Palos Verdes Estates- and ultimately
caused the death of 14,000 Americans. People were especially annoyed that Disneyland had to be closed for decontamination.

And so, in the midterm elections, Republicans regained control of both the House and Senate, and the rest is history. The impeachment proceedings against President Obama for "failure to protect and defend" were swift and nearly unanimous. Vice President Sibelius resigned. Newly-elected Speaker of the House, J.C. Watts, became the 45th President of the United States.

But you know the rest of the story well. Republicans finished the war on Islamic fundamentalists, largely by aiming ICBM's at Mecca and Medina. No Democrat has been elected President since. Republicans have held both Houses of Congress. History of Western Civilization and Economics are now taught in all public schools, and in English only. Marriage is defined as one man and one woman. And there are border fences, north and south.

We old codgers remember the ancient Confucian curse: "May you live in interesting times." Well, 2010 was an interesting year, but it was not a good year to be president."

288 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:09:22am

re: #283 wolfie

Well, the main point may be to demonstrate some imaginary superiority.

Automated Response from the LGF Copy Editor:
Your comment has been edited to remove unneeded verbiage.

289 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:09:56am

re: #283 wolfie

(And notice that I later retracted it)

290 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:09:58am

re: #266 WrathofG-d

But have you thought about how you upset the world all those thousands of years. And no, you don't have the right to defend yourself. The UN said so.

/deep, deep sarc

291 Opinionated  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:10:29am

Obama empathizing:

PARIS (AP) -- Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama will visit the West Bank next week as part of a swing through the Middle East, a Palestinian official said Monday, giving an important diplomatic boost to the Palestinians at a sensitive time in peace talks.

The Palestinians expressed satisfaction over the planned meeting with the presumed Democratic nominee, which comes months after Obama's likely Republican opponent, John McCain, passed on meeting with the Palestinians during a brief visit to Israel.

[Link: breakingnews.nypost.com...]

292 brakes  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:11:49am

Okay, I just came to LGF and read this. My blood pressure has gone through the roof. How could anyone vote for this idiot?

293 mbabbitt  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:11:52am

Obama and many of the multiculturists are stuck on the level of "minimization of differences" (Milton Bennet's level of intercultural sensitivity). They believe we are all alike, wanting peace and only angry and hurtful when we are misunderstood, oppressed, and poor. He cannot conceive of well-off religious fanatics who want to kill us just because we are different from them-- not wanting to live under Sharia. His form of cultural imperialism is that he automatically imposes an Oprahfied lens/perspective onto other peoples of various ideologies and sees them as victims of circumstance and or ignorance; and it is up to us enlightened westerners to gently hug them into changing their minds. There is no room in his narrow self-help centric viewpoint that could conceive of people who just want to kill us because they take it as their religious mission. The man is a highly schooled fool. May G_d spare us from his well-spoken stupidity.

294 WrathofG-d  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:12:41am

re: #290 Kenneth

That cannot be posted enough. (I believe) as he pretty much sums it up.

Its funny how "empathy" is only advised in certain situations and discouraged it others.

295 Penfold  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:13:16am

re: #154 Iron Fist

Yeah, Mao Tse Tung. His book is the bible on modern guerrilla warfare. The US, coalition and Iraqi forces, through intelligent counter-insurgency warfare, have made it such that AQ cannot swim in the Muslim ocean in Iraq without fear of being eaten by a shark. Have you read "Eating soup with a knife"[Link: www.amazon.com...] Great book and highly recommended. The author just (within the past six months) resigned his commission from the Army. Also recommend "The Sling and the Stone".

I don't think we are disagreeing about anything here.

296 Stringart  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:13:24am

They may not have empathy but they do have gratitude. I got this by email this morning:

The OPEC minister will look you in the eyes and state:

" We are at war with you infidels. Have been since the embargo in the 1970s. You are so arrogant you haven't even recognized it. You have more missiles, bombs, and technology; so we are fighting with the best weapon we have and extracting on a net basis about $700 billion/year out of your economy. We will destroy you! Death to the infidels!

While I am here I would like to thank you for the following:

*Not developing your 250-300 year supply of oil shale and tarsands. We know if you did this, it would create millions of jobs for US citizens, expand your engineering capabilities, and keep the wealth in the US instead of sending it to us to finance our war against you bastards.

*Thanks for limiting defense department purchases of oilsands product from your neighbors to the north. We love it when you confuse your allies.

*Thanks for over regulating every segment of your economy and thus delaying, by decades, the development of alternate fuel technologies.

*Thanks for limiting drilling off your coasts, in Alaska, and anywhere there is a bug, bird, fish, or plant that might be inconvenienced. Better that your people suffer! Glad to see our lobbying efforts have been so effective.

*Corn-based Ethanol. Praise Allah for this sham program! Perhaps you will destroy yourself from the inside with these types of policies. This is a gift from Allah, praise his name! We never would have thought of this one! This is better than when you pay your farmers NOT TO GROW FOOD. Have them use more energy to create less energy, and simultaneously drive food prices through the roof. Thank you US Congress!

*And finally, we appreciate you letting us fleece you without end. You will be glad to know we have been accumulating shares in your banks, real estate, and publicly held companies. We also finance a good portion of your debt and now manipulate your markets, currency, and economies to our benefit.

THANK YOU AMERICA !"

297 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:13:30am

re: #292 brakes

I believe he will win the Presidential election.

298 Dianna  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:13:53am

re: #227 tgibson1962

I have a very different perspective: While there have been a number of people I would have cheerfully murdered at one or another point in my life, I discovered that, a year later, that person was utterly irrelevant.

Usually, they'd managed to do something to make themselves utterly miserable, too.

It's not the penalty. It's not even morality. It's experience.

299 just another four-letter word  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:13:54am

re: #141 shiplord kirel

I have plenty of empathy for our enemies. It is easy for me to imagine myself in their shoes: I have no trouble imagining that if I were a crazy, superstitious, hate-filled murderer, I would expect an early and painful demise.

If you were a crazy, superstitious, hate-filled murderer, there would be no room in your head for expecting an early and painful demise, since you'd be so whacked out that such a (well deserved!) fate wouldn't be on your radar. These looney tunes don't think that way.

Just goes to show that it's difficult to think like they do, since they aren't rational in the first place...

JAFLW

300 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:14:20am

re: #267 Racer X

Since I know one of the folks at this company, I'd suggest we move to something like this process and stop sending our money elsewhere.

301 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:14:29am

re: #287 Fat Jolly Penguin

That was terrific! I would hate to see it come to that, but I do believe our Constitution is strong enough to withstand even the Obamessiah.

302 cpuller  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:16:27am

This guy is a disaster.

303 jcbunga  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:16:28am

My $0.02, which I read someplace:

"Why is it a man can look at a pocket watch and have absolute faith that somewhere a skilled watchmaker must have existed to make the watch, yet the same person may look upon the infinite complexities of the universe and find reason to doubt that some power greater than himself must be responsible?"

I think faith is defined in there someplace.

There are varying degrees of faith. If you believe the earth is flat and it turns out to be round, no harm done. You just keep sailing along wondering when you'll fall off. On the other hand, if you have faith the earth is round and it turns out to be flat, you're going to lose some boats.

You can also have faith that the people who flew the planes into the Towers really just need a hug and if we empathize with them we'll be OK. The penalty for being wrong on that one would cost us a lot more than a few boats. I don't have faith in them needing a hug, so I put my faith in God and the Marines...and the Army....and the Navy...and the Air Force...and the Coast Guard...and the NSA since they're watching...keep up the good work, by the way boys.

304 itellu3times  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:16:46am

When Obama is president, he will direct the Joint Chiefs to develop a variety of empathy munitions, from small grenades to fifty-megaton whoppers, and they will not fail!

305 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:17:22am

You SOB

306 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:17:36am

re: #297 WriterMom

I believe he will win the Presidential election.

I dinged you down, just for making my hair stand on end.

307 brakes  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:17:45am

re: #297 WriterMom

I'm afraid he will, but then I live in a blue state and see Obama bumper stickers everywhere. My husband and I are the only non-moonbats in our family. (Of course, I love them all dearly).

308 The Other Les  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:17:51am

re: #287 Fat Jolly Penguin

Can you say "Civil War"?

A bunch of parasites whose survival and well being depends on power over the productive others is not going to give up that power without a fight. Their lives depend on it.

309 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:19:08am

re: #83 lawhawk

I can distinctly remember that we were wondering about cars left at the train station at Suffern for weeks after the attacks. Wondering if they belonged to people who went to work that morning, never to return or as it would turn out - never to have remains recovered because they were pulverized into dust in the ensuing collapses of the towers and fires that burned for months and left the stench of death over Lower Manhattan for months on end.

The police in many towns around the region didn't ticket those cars, knowing the terrible truth that had unfolded. Slowly, families would come and recover those cars, but that was one of my memories from those terrible early days after the attacks.

That's heartbreaking.

310 tgibson1962  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:19:28am

re: #298 Dianna

You are so right! The problem is in the heat of the moment, experience is still waiting in the wings. I guess patience really is a virtue...

311 Arbalest  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:20:31am

We need to start preparing a series of video-fiskings Barak Hussein Obama’s speeches, and post them all over YouTube, LiveLeak and similar sites.

This speech is an excellent example; BHO says “poverty”, a cut o details about OBL’s fabulous wealth, AlZ’s, Atta’s (and Atta’s sisters) education, the Glasgow Bombers (a couple of MDs).

Each wrong point BHO makes is to be corrected, in much the same way a first grade teacher corrects a sloppy student’s work.

Then the questions need to be asked:

Why is US Senator Barak Hussen Obama wrong?"

Why is US Senator Barak Hussen Obama unaware of the truth?"

Who provides US Senator Barak Hussen Obama with his facts and writes his speeches?"

This isn’t mud-slinging, smearing or dirty politics. It is simply an examination of the truth, in the light of day. I fear that McCain will not do this, but it needs to be done.

Remember, if you do not cast a real ballot for McCain this November, you will get BHO.

312 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:21:14am
Most often, though, it grows out of a climate of poverty and ignorance, helplessness and despair.

Idiot.

Prosperity comes from good behavior.

Good behavior does not come from prosperity

313 brakes  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:23:43am

re: #311 Arbalest

Good idea, but you know it will be called mud-slinging, smearing or dirty politics.

314 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:24:19am
315 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:24:23am

re: #295 Penfold,

I haven't read "Eating Soup With a Knife". It sounds like it should be on my reading list. Thanks.

No, I don't think we are disagreeing. I was just expanding on the "minimize collateral damage" thought. Some "collateral damage" is not only necessary, it is desirable. Some of the "water" surrounding the "fish" is hostile.

316 songbird  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:24:52am

re: #275 realwest

I guess it's not that wondrous!

317 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:25:48am

re: #314 buzzsawmonkey

Big Iron(y).

318 just another four-letter word  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:26:36am

re: #218 Dr. Shalit

Mandy -

The IC engine in a vehicle beats the hell out of stepping around Horse Poop on Main Street. Beyond that, gasoline is NOT the only way to fuel it.
Don't just take my word for it - listen to T. Boone Pickens' self-financed commercials. Apart from range, CNG is a great replacement, and it can be generated from Domestic Coal.

-S-

...and short-haul electric commuter cars are even better. LNG for longer-haul cars makes sense, especially if we don't send more money to the Oil Ticks.

T. Boone Pickens is in it for himself. Follow the money. Guess what T. Boone has large investments in?

JAFLW

319 songbird  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:29:02am

re: #315 Iron Fist

,

I haven't read "Eating Soup With a Knife". It sounds like it should be on my reading list. Thanks.

Eating something with a knife!

320 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:31:39am

re: #319 songbird,

:-P

321 Penfold  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:32:45am

re: #315 Iron Fist

One never catches a dry fish.

322 beach lover  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:33:13am

If you have time, (cause it is a long article)...read the New Yorker article about the man that wants to be the next president. I thought Clinton was calculating, but this guy is appalling! I know the article is supposed to show the man in a good light, but what is all too obvious to me, is how he got where he is by associating with those who could help him to become president, then the whole 'bus theory" was used. What scares me, is that we will not get the truth about this man, before it is too late.
and I don't trust McCain to do it

323 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:33:32am

re: #306 Occasional Reader

Heh. I notice that sentiment is not very popular. I think that's the most DING DOWNS I have ever received on LGF. I hate the idea, but that's my prediction. I think McCain has been running a pretty lame campaign.

324 just another four-letter word  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:34:42am

re: #273 MandyManners

NAMBLA: The Society of Malignant Narcissists.

And, like a cancer, they should be excised from the community body.

JAFLW

325 Arbalest  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:35:50am

re: #313 brakes

If such videos and questions become widespread, then even if there is an attempt to label them as smears, mud-slinging, at least the fundamental truth of the videos will still get through.

This worked for the "Proud of America" video response to M.O.

Come to think of it, we haven't heard from M.O. since the video ...

If the video producers do not back down and allow the label to stand, then the label will be seen to be wrong, and itself a smear.

As long as the videos are factually correct and honest in their approach, many people will listen and dismissing them will be tough.

I expect BHO to melt, given his political and educational background.

326 Capitalistincharge  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:36:16am

It would be wonderful if Drudge ran Obama's remarks in entirety and then a rebuttal from Hillary pointing out why these remarks are nonsense. Or at least someone the leftists can relate to so they will engage their brains....if that's possible.

327 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:39:25am

re: #30 Silhouette


"And in closing, as always, more socialism."


Rotating Title Nomination.

328 brakes  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:39:42am

There's still time before the election so anything could happen. As it stands now, I think it would be close.

329 Abu Al-Poopypants  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:41:16am

^
^

Sorry about some of the loaded language I used. I should be a more respectful lizard, lest some lump me in with the moonbats. Feel free to ding me.

(Back to work...)

330 filetandrelease  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:42:34am

Two months ago I was going to vote for this guy.

Now I know what it feels like to go to your first AA meeting.

331 Racer X  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:47:23am

re: #330 filetandrelease

Two months ago I was going to vote for this guy.

Now I know what it feels like to go to your first AA meeting.

Congratulations. Here's your pin.

Be strong.

332 just another four-letter word  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:48:14am

re: #330 filetandrelease

Two months ago I was going to vote for this guy.

Now I know what it feels like to go to your first AA meeting.

Welcome back to reality, I'm glad you woke up (sobered up?). Was it us Lizards that changed your mind?

LIZARD POWER!

JAFLW

333 Opinionated  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:50:55am

If the McCain campaign really wanted to win.

On Sept 19, 2001, while the nation was still in shock and the families were painfully mourning their dead, Barack Obama was explaining that the killers had understandable grievances.

I'm John McCain and I approve of this message.

334 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:54:39am
335 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:56:32am

re: #334 buzzsawmonkey

I prefer cowbell.

Fine, but the state must pay for it, regulate it, and hire fed-trained cowbell ringers.

336 Beach Lover  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:58:21am

re: #333 Opinionated

there are times I wonder

337 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:58:49am

re: #323 WriterMom

Heh. I notice that sentiment is not very popular. I think that's the most DING DOWNS I have ever received on LGF. I hate the idea, but that's my prediction. I think McCain has been running a pretty lame campaign.

To be fair, the media is doing all it can to ignore & distort McCain's campaign. Has anybody done a count of the number of Obama vs McCain stories? I bet it's 100:1

338 bombarafat  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 12:02:14pm

IF we empathize with people who want to kill us, doesn't that make us suicidal?
I think so

339 filetandrelease  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 12:03:14pm

re: #332 just another four-letter word

Actually, that is not far off the mark. I come here frequently to get grounded. Sometimes I am too much an emotional thinker. As in "McCain pisses me off, I am not voting for him".

Also, Obama was a bit of an unknown, and here, the onions get peeled to the core.

340 big L  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 12:03:34pm

that is the same kind of goofy thinking that M'Cains captors exhibited. At the debate M'cain sheould knee him in the groin, figuratively speaking...
/of course

341 HippieforLife  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 12:05:24pm

re: #337 Kenneth

Well, if you just google the name of each, the count is currently
56,200,000 to 38,600,000.

Something very wrong there. John McCain has been in public service for a very long time.

I didn't check, but I am also curious about how many of these stories about Obama are more than 10 years old. Not too many I would think.

I read his words and I am reminded of the President's response to 9/11: "wanted, dead or alive."

342 Right Brain  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 12:07:34pm

Obama did a great job avoiding a paper trail, voting "present" 130 times in a row, but on this one he made a mistake, playing for his audience at the Hyde Park Freak Show, safe from the hell that was lower Manhattan. I know where I was when he was writing it: picking up body parts. I didn't find any root causes, though, just lots of mangled humans in business clothes.

343 Racer X  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 12:11:05pm

McCain is doing OK just sitting back and letting Obama implode. Let Obama sink himself - he has been doing a great job at that.

McCain should bring out the heavy guns in October - when those on the fence - and there are many - decide.

344 big L  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 12:11:24pm

I was sure glad that GWB went after the murderers
instead of calling for a police arrest of an imaginary foe.

And here we are in 2008, with Iran bracketted between Iraq with lots of skillful,successful Coalition/USA forces and Afghanistan with lots of terrific Coalition and USA forces.
/"obama so dumb and doesn't care about what he don't know."

345 GGMac  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 12:14:17pm

re: #38 MandyManners

He does have a point. The terrorists did lack empathy but, that was because they were adherents to a religion started by a malignant narcissist.

I'll take that further - the terrorists' lack of empathy. "Lack of empathy" implies indifference, and the islamists are anything but "indifferent" regarding their actions.

You all - please remember; please don't ever forget what the islamists did to our soldiers in Somalia; what they did to those Americans at the bridge in [whatever the name of that Iraq town was]; how they left those other two soldiers' bodies at the roadside - with their genitals stuffed down their own throats.

This is not "lack of empathy" - this is horrendous, vile, inhuman, perverted pleasure in the torture of non-muslims. That is the calling of islamists - they've been called, and they answer - with sickening, revolting pride of purpose.

Obama is a red diaper baby - he has his goals, and will cowtow to anyone who will ease his path to glory. He, and the rest of his marxist sympathizers - including the MSM, and all who are too "leg-tingled" to see reality, will sit in the corner sucking their thumbs while the enemy inch by inch continues in it's quest to destroy Israel - and the rest of the infidel world.

[rant not directed at you, Mandy! {MandyManners}

Some days Obamamessiahness really pisses me off.

346 big L  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 12:15:21pm

343 racer X- -I sure wish he'd pick a gregarious, hatchett man like John Bolton that would a) challenge Oby on all these error messages and b) teach the USA that the USA is worth saving and is a great country.
When I go out having coffee with my freinds t here are always America-haters in the next table...
/sick of the America-haters.

347 big L  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 12:18:22pm

OT I read that one of the reasons for the Nurenberg-style rally in Denver Stadium was to block out the Hillary (or Other groups) from demonstrations or walking out.

348 docremulac  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 12:21:16pm

In other words, we need to raise taxes and send these guys money so they won't kill us any more.

Any other problems you want liberals to solve for you? Incidentally, the above solution of raising taxes is also applicable to any other problem you can think of.

349 RememberSekhmet?  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 12:23:23pm

You can't compromise with people who want you dead. So what's the point of empathizing with them?

350 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 12:36:29pm

The War Between the Wars

So, the question for Sen. Barack Obama and his glib supporters is this: Would they solve this problem by removing the American forces from Iraq and putting the thereby-enhanced contingent there to patrol a frontier where one of our main "allies" is continually engaged in stabbing them in the back? (At one point last year, Obama himself appeared to accept the illogic of his own position and spoke hotly of the possibility of following the Taliban onto Pakistani soil. We haven't heard much of that lately. Did he mean to say that, come to think of it, we had enough troops to occupy three countries instead of the stipulated and solitary one? Or would he just exchange Iraq for Pakistan? At least we do know for sure that Pakistan has nuclear weapons acquired mainly by piracy and is the host and patron of the Taliban and al-Qaida.)

Hitch destroys Obama's foreign policy nonsense.

351 Chuba  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 12:38:57pm

Failure of empathy.........Bwaahahahahahahaaahahaaaaa!

Sure, it was a failure of empathy all right, because Lord knows terrorists have more than enough of it to pass around.

What a putz.

352 Ben F  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 12:45:19pm

You write that Obama

gave absolutely no consideration at all to the ideology of radical Islam, which is much more to blame than any imaginary “poverty” or “lack of empathy.”

I would put it differently. I suggest that lack of empathy is indeed an important factor at work, but that radical Islam fuels this lack of empathy, most significantly towards the kuffar but also even towards fellow Muslims (against whom much jihadi violence is directed, in Iraq, Darfur, and elsewhere). The fatalism inherent in Islam (inshallah) surely plays a role in the latter.

353 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 12:50:13pm

re: #352 Ben F

Child abuse plus a violent ideology causes a lack of empathy & terrorism.

354 Sacred Plants  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 12:51:58pm

He´s right - would Afghanistan be wealthy, free to trade the native crops of the land with the rest of the world, it could not have been taken hostage by a gang of spoiled rich kids lacking empathy.

355 mrcombi  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 1:06:01pm

When you see one dhimmi you have seen them all...

356 FamHistoryGuy  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 1:06:09pm

re: #264 kyjed

Take away the korans, give them a survival diet and teach them the work ethic.

357 lostlakehiker  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 1:15:03pm

re: #284 Fat Jolly Penguin

There is no stockpiling of oil. Nobody other than the U.S. [strategic petroleum reserve, which we are no longer stocking] owns a big enough place to put much of it, except to leave it in the ground rather than pump it. The pumps of OPEC are still pumping. They export about as much as ever. The difference is that there are new buyers. China and India are the big ones.

When demand goes up and supply cannot cheaply be upped to track that demand, the price goes up. If demand is what technicians call inelastic, that is, if people really really don't want to just walk away from their cars rather than pay to refuel, then the price goes way up.

No conspiracy theory is needed to explain high oil prices. It's not speculators. It's not OPEC. It's us, the consumers, bidding the price higher because we don't have plug-in electric cars, we don't have light rail that will take us to work, we don't want to bicycle to work or there aren't safe routes in, and we're stuck driving. And yes, because we won't drill offshore or in ANWR, though both those things would only moderate the inevitable price spike in oil as the wells run dry, and they wouldn't take effect for a few years if we did get cracking.

We're in for some hard times, until we get our new wind, solar, and nuclear infrastructure up and running, together with heavy-duty transmission lines to carry all the extra current. And we're in for some very hard times if we piss away the time we have left to do this before oil prices go through the roof.

358 CommonCents  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 1:16:59pm
And he gave absolutely no consideration at all to the ideology of radical Islam

And that is why 99% of conservatives who can count don't like him. The ones that say it's because "he's a Muslim", I won't correct them because if it keeps them from voting for him that is fine by me. Whatever works to keep our infrastructure safe from suicide bombers.

359 KalvinB  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 1:30:00pm

"I do NOT agree that only Christians can be moral human beings."

To be a Christian is to need Christ due to your personal failings and believe in certain moral values. Obama wants everyone to believe he is a Christian and yet doesn't hold basic Christian moral values. And on top of that, thinks he can buy off people who do hold those values.

That was the point. I wasn't making a point about morality in general. I was speaking in terms of Obama's alledged moral views and the assumed moral views of Christians.

I find it hard to believe that Christians (esp the Evangelical brand) would overlook his support of late term abortions just because he's promising to toss them some money.

He voted against legislation that would make it a felony for a doctor to allow a baby to die after it was born in the case of a failed abortion.

As long as you were at least trying to kill it in the womb, infanticide is A-OK with Obama.

There was a pastor interviewed after the Iraq war started that claimed that Saddam wasn't really that bad. He had bought the church a new organ.

So I could be wrong. Some people don't need much money to look past the piles of dead bodies.

360 Charles  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 1:31:21pm

re: #359 KalvinB

To be a Christian is to need Christ due to your personal failings and believe in certain moral values. Obama wants everyone to believe he is a Christian and yet doesn't hold basic Christian moral values. And on top of that, thinks he can buy off people who do hold those values.

That was the point. I wasn't making a point about morality in general. I was speaking in terms of Obama's alledged moral views and the assumed moral views of Christians.

So you do believe that people can be moral if they aren't Christian?

361 MJBrutus  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 1:34:15pm

Every single day this clown barfs up another hair ball. He recently wrote this absolutely ridiculous op-ed, rebutted masterfully here about his Iraq plan and how "responsible" he is. Before that, was his pronouncement of how we all need to learn to speak French (merci beacoup doesn't cut it for him). And on and on. I wish I could say that today's insight in on how we could have avoided 9/11 if we just got Bin Laden to appear on Oprah is the bottom of the barrel, but I'm afraid it doesn't qualify as a personal low for this sap.

362 MJBrutus  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 1:37:58pm

re: #348 docremulac

We don't need to raise taxes on everyone, just on the rich. You know, those earning above $75k or so.

363 del  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 1:39:40pm

"...the ideology of radical Islam..."

It is a mistake to use the phrase "radical islam", which implies an actual existence of a "non-radical islam". Realistically, there is "islam", or there is "unbelief". Bin Laden and his cohorts and sympathizers were and are pious orthodox muslims acting on their pious belief in the texts of islam and the example and words of their supposed prophet. It is however true that not all pious muslims agree with any particular tactic, or attack. This disagreement (e.g. yusuf al-Qaradawi's criticism of Bin Laden after 9/11) does not mean that the disagreers are "moderate" in any realistic western sense. They, as muslims, must agree with the same goal: the supremacy of islam and the killing, or conversion, or subjugation of non-muslims across the planet. Their disagreement is with the method, which they perceive as not-the-best approach. Jihad or struggle or kampf can take many forms, besides direct violence or combat. The cleverer muslims understand that direct violence antagonizes. They use immigration, proselytization and taqiyya/kitman, mindful of the thought: "what is best for islam and the ummah?"

There are also people who identify themselves as muslim, who do not agree with the muslim supremacism so obvious in the texts of islam and the friday khutbas. However, those people are powerless in islam precisely because their disagreement defines them as impious. They are also far less numerous than apparently assumed.

Horrible but simple. Ugly but true.

364 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 1:42:22pm

re: #281 FurryOldGuyJeans

I swear there are some people here who are taking the Islamic Correspondence Course on Being Perpetually Aggrieved About Religion.

And don't assume to know what my religious beliefs are; any that have tried have usually failed abysmally. I just don't and won't talk about something that is intensely personal to and for me.

You can't be a JW - they never stop talking.

365 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 1:43:50pm

A Failure of Empathy - rotating title nominee

366 cavallino_rampante  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 1:45:52pm

I like the part at the end of the article where he's quoted talking about his awesome speech.

What arrogance.

367 tedzilla99  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 1:47:56pm

9/11 was staged, sheeple! Stop drinking your blood for oil milkshakes and follow the Messiah, the being made of light.

Someone is out there thinking that word for word. I have a failure of empathy for morons like that.

368 ladycatnip  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 1:52:57pm

#345 GGMac

This is not "lack of empathy" - this is horrendous, vile, inhuman, perverted pleasure in the torture of non-muslims. That is the calling of islamists - they've been called, and they answer - with sickening, revolting pride of purpose.

The name we give people who behave this way is: psychopath.

369 Shay4l  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 2:05:11pm

Because- everything must be stuffed into the Marxist box of oppression, whether it fits the facts or not.

370 twincitiesgirl  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 2:14:46pm

Someone told me there's a bumper sticker that says
"The only difference between Obama and Osama is the bs."

371 kansas  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 2:15:14pm

I clicked on the link. Anybody have time to read all that?

372 Shay4l  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 2:15:49pm

re: #83 lawhawk

I can distinctly remember that we were wondering about cars left at the train station at Suffern for weeks after the attacks. Wondering if they belonged to people who went to work that morning, never to return or as it would turn out - never to have remains recovered because they were pulverized into dust in the ensuing collapses of the towers and fires that burned for months and left the stench of death over Lower Manhattan for months on end.

The police in many towns around the region didn't ticket those cars, knowing the terrible truth that had unfolded. Slowly, families would come and recover those cars, but that was one of my memories from those terrible early days after the attacks.


People forget that it was only luck, bravery of the first-responders, and not much else that prevented 3000 from being 30,000 that day.

Everybody within 60 miles of Manhattan new someone that was affected by 9/11, whether family, neighbor or longtime friend.

373 hazzyday  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 2:21:18pm

The failure is not one of empathy. It's failing to draw a line in the sand in regards to corruption. Corruption most notably evidenced by the Rev. Wright. And by Obama's many other friends. The short term solution for the ignorant violence flowing out of islam is force. The long term solution is education, the longer term solution is empathy. In that order.

Obama has never wielded power. If president he will succumb to his inexperience. He make glaring destructive errors and spend a lot of time backpedaling and being reactionary. All the while trying to cover up and gloss over the deficiencies of his hand selected staff.

I had to laugh at Wesley Clark the other day when I saw his critique of McCain again as unfit to lead. It seemed to me that he was actually saying that Wesley Clark was the only man fit to lead the country. Neither McCain nor Obama is as qualified as Wesley. So I kinda assume he thinks his weight will loom larger than life in an Obama Presidency.

374 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 2:27:05pm

re: #372 Shay4l

Everybody within 60 miles of Manhattan new someone that was affected by 9/11, whether family, neighbor or longtime friend.

I don't know anyone who isn't affected at least second-hand (Ex. They know a guy at work whose nephew was killed, etc.) and I'm hundreds of miles away.

375 quickjustice  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 2:33:00pm

I lost twelve friends and neighbors in the Towers. Two days after the attacks, I was still in shock, channel-surfing through cable TV stations, when I stumbled across a "Town Hall" meeting being run by the NDP in Toronto. It was an hour of anti-American diatribe, in which speaker of speaker bashed America for its arrogance, even as the fires at Ground Zero and the Pentagon continued to burn.

Obama wrote this piece not knowing the facts. That he was prepared to make rash and ignorant judgments about the attackers, repeating the liberal echo chamber's cliches about the attackers as poverty-stricken "victims" displays how singularly immature, ill-informed, and reckless he is. With such poor judgment overtly displayed, do we want to hand this man control over sending our soldiers into harm's way?

376 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 2:33:52pm

re: #374 Silhouette

I don't know anyone who isn't affected at least second-hand (Ex. They know a guy at work whose nephew was killed, etc.) and I'm hundreds of miles away.

I live in California, but my SIL was in Washington DC and couldn't get a flight out. He had to drive across country to get home. We were all affected in different ways.

377 Shay4l  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 2:35:29pm

re: #202 LeatherNeckLady

Do my eyes deceive me? Or is that dust and rubble that I see falling from the pedestal that Obama has been placed on. *crumble....crumble...crumble*

Barack Obama sat on a wall...
Barack Obama had a great fall...
All the Democrats money and all the Democrats Obamanites couldn't put Barack Obama back together again!

Here lies a toppled god His fall was not a small one. We did but build his pedestal, A narrow and tall one. Tleilaxu Epigram , Dune Messiah

378 frodolives  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 3:07:57pm

Eight days after 9/11 and he already had the script ready. The rest of us were barely coming out of shock, very much concerned about fellow Americans. The only lack of empathy is Obama's. His perfunctory sympathy to the victims and families while blaming America - eight days after the attacks - incredible. This, more than anything else - more than his Muslim childhood and questionable birth certificate, more than MO's lack of respect and pride for the US (she wasn't proud of how Americans responded on 9/11 and the days after?), more than his willingness to meet our enemies but not our military - this statement eight days after the attacks makes me think of Fifth column or a mole - definitely not someone who has America's best interests at heart.

Yes, he seems psychologically warped, but that in itself does not explain this statement eight days after the attacks.

379 Irish Rose  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 3:22:27pm
Most often, though, it grows out of a climate of poverty and ignorance, helplessness and despair.

I call bullshit.

380 angst  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 3:25:17pm

This is some scary stuff.
I wonder if Charles would do the world a favor and post this story on the main page every single day until November 2. I'm not kidding.

381 angst  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 3:29:05pm

Oh, this also reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw yesterday.
"Terrorism is the symptom not the disease." Being as it was on a Lexus, and not accompanied by the usual leftist bumper stickers- in fact there were no others- and since I live in a pretty conservative area of the country, the meaning wasn't clear. One of my kids asked me about it.

I said the owner either means the disease is us- our failure to empathize- or it's radical Islam.

I really don't know.

382 GGMac  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 3:37:37pm

re: #360 Charles

So you do believe that people can be moral if they aren't Christian?


Assuming that by "moral" you mean 'good' morality as opposed to 'bad' morality, in the generally accepted definitions -

I offer as proof that one does not have to be a Christian to be moral, the following:

Jesus' mother, Mary, was selected by God to be his mother on the basis of her goodness, ie, her morality.

Christianity did not exist until roughly 30 years later.

/humble opinion of a Christian woman :)

383 Charles  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 3:40:09pm

re: #382 GGMac

Not to mention that there are a lot of people in this world who are not Christians. They can't all be amoral, can they?

I do notice that kalvinb got awfully quiet, though.

384 GGMac  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 3:58:39pm

re: #383 Charles

Not to mention that there are a lot of people in this world who are not Christians. They can't all be amoral, can they?

I do notice that kalvinb got awfully quiet, though.

Indeed he did.

385 Billy Hank  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 4:34:07pm

Lack of empathy = demented Progressive rationalization to explain why their little darlings were not at fault and it was all someone else's fault for being so mean and ugly to them.

My prayer is that Obama loses 270 - 268 in the Electoral College. He then clings so bitterly to his "empathic higher self" that he eats his own liver.

386 Is it me?  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 4:41:29pm

Barak Hussein Obamas' moral compass isn't broken. It's just pointing in entirely the wrong direction.
This article reveals where Obamas true allegiances lie. It is not with America. A little over a week after 9/11 when Americans were still in shock (and many others in the world) he was penning this miserable piece of nonsense. When he should have been grieving for those lost in such terrible circumstances he was finding ways to excuse/explain/justify those responsible. When he should have been standing four square facing down your enemies and showing determination to find those responsible and punishing them he was trying to make America and Americans responsible for what had happened to them. He even tried using the white guilt trip of the suffering children around the world, the oppressed and helpless people whose plight was your fault. It doesn't seem to have occured to him that people and countries are responsible for their own condition subject to their environment and good fortune in natural resources. In too many places peoples woes are self inflicted. Whether by ideology (religious or political),ignorance, or by greed and corruption. Corruption is a terrible thing, it is selfish and indifferent in equal measure. Where it flourishes misery and suffering follow as surely as night follows day. Where is it written that America has to be responsible? You cannot police the world, or change people to have a more compassionate view of their fellow man. Only they can do that. All you can do is reassure, encourage and support them. Giving aid should depend on their willingness to work to help all, not just those in charge.
Obama doesn't understand any of this. He isn't just alienated from America by his upbringing (Africa, Indonesia and Hawaii) but his choices to reject his mother/grandmother and embrace his totally absent father. He made that decision many years ago and in the process rejected that part of him that was American and to embrace his father and his childhood in Indonesia. Once that decision was made it should not be surprising that he joined a *christian* church that preaches racial hatred and had a mentor that is suspiciously islamic/NOI. His choices of friends and political aides speaks volumes. He has even said that the islamic call to prayer is the most beautiful sound in the world.
Perhaps he didn't understand just how bright the light would be on him when he chose to run for POTUS. There will be nowhere to hide. He is so intent on being all things to all men to get votes that he is changing his attitudes almost on a daily basis. He stands for nothing because he has no solid inner core of standards. He sees himself as a messiah called to save America from itself. He is not grounded in reality. He is deluding himself as to who he truely is.
His attitude to patriotism shown by his refusal to wear the flag pin for instance, and his internal policies will punish the hard working and successful (quite probably white) to his foreign policies to *talk* to your enemies who have no intentions of negotiating with him but to use him to weaken you further or to renage on any agreements. Subconsciously he sees himself as heroic but his plans and actions all speak of someone who will destroy you. It's what I call verbal leakage, he cannot stop his real intentions from leaking out they are too powerful. He is like a 20 stone woman trying to squeeze into a size 12 corset. No matter how tightly you pull the laces the fat doesn't disappear, it's got to come out somewhere!
Apply more and more pressure on him to explain his policies and cross examine him on his flip flopping, all based on cold facts; he should start to come apart at the seams and then you may, finally, get a good look at who he really is. I doubt that it will be pretty.

387 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 4:57:26pm

Obama was just expressing the depth of the progressives ability to fathom 9/11. It wasn't terrorists - no no - it was our self-inflicted wound.
That's why so many on the left give Islam a blanket excuse.

388 Radboss  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:16:59pm

I sure hope the undecided voters realize how truly dangerous this man is. I try not to look at polls. The sad truth is that most BHO supporters I have talked to have no idea what he has accomplished (or not) and cannot articulate a single proposal of his that would accomplish the change (whatever that means) that they are so enamored with. It is maddening to try and have a debate with an Obama supporter. They are in love with an idea and it is impossible to reason with them.

389 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:23:19pm

"There is no terrorist threat"

--Michael Moore - meme maker to the proggies

390 Richard Romano  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:44:47pm
And now he’s within reach of the presidency.

Sigh :(

391 grahamski  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:54:19pm

Yeah, but do his children speak Spanish?

392 Pigtown Water Dog  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:24:15pm

re: #376 debutaunt

Sorry if I've mentioned this here, but I have computer-generated signs on my car that say, "Remember 9-11-01."

In 2007, I was pulling into my supermarket parking lot, as was another car. A couple, in their 60s, came over to me to say that they had "lost someone in 9-11." Pentagon, Towers, Pa. They didn't say. They thanked me for the signage. We all pressed our hands together for a second or two. Then, we all walked into the grocery store to shop. Just another ordinary day.

I'm sending up a little prayer for them as I type this.

393 eclectic infidel  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:24:39pm

Many people I know personally are voting for Barak Hussen Obama. My parents, my sister, immediate relatives on my mother's side, my ex & her new man, and friends. Barak is certainly the new and improved teflon presidential candidate. Regardless of criticism, people are not willing to consider for a moment that he isn't what he seems. All critique is easily brushed off as 'right wing attacks' and it's left at that, without question.

394 eclectic infidel  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:39:12pm

re: #183 Abu Al-Poopypants

I agree with Charles... In fact you could argue that people who are moral absent any threats of punishment by invisible sky wizards could be considered more moral, but that sort of thing gets people upset, so I won't.

Although the use of the phrase "invisible sky wizards" does not in the least offend me, this post does strike me as something reminiscent of being passive aggressive. It would have behooved you, IMO, to actually explain your stance on morality instead of taking a shot at theists and then walking away without providing further detail. I say this as constructive criticism, not as an insult to you or your intellect. Capice?

395 ctrlL  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:55:27pm

It seems to me that Obama's pastor and mentor for most of his adult life, Jeremiah Wright, had an odd technique of raising the hopes of his own congregation for +20 years while B.O. (and family) attended TUCC.

we will have to devote far more attention to the monumental task of raising the hopes and prospects of embittered children across the globe—children not just in the Middle East, but also in Africa, Asia, Latin America, Eastern Europe and within our own shores.

Is whitey-bashing Barack's definition of raising the hopes ?

WTF

396 mattm  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:58:46pm

And people are willing to Vote for this moron. That is scary.

397 elrushbuni  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:59:07pm

The ignorance part I definitely agree with. The only virtue they see in knowledge is when it is of the Koran, and Then it is only rote memorization and not of analysis, interpretation. Only blind faith. There is no moderate muslim as everyone should have gathered by now. Sunni & Shia differences aside, they all mostly believe the same because it is a sin to do otherwise, a sin to analyze, a sin to use your own brain to think, to differ from what is taught Literally in the Koran. I daresay there is even little room for symbolism.

398 nyc redneck  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:26:27pm

libs always want to appear so understanding and noble.
here, b.o. basically focuses on and sides w/ the enemy and hardly mentions the innocent victims who were murdered by these monsters.
he is a blithering idiot.
and yes, way too close to the presidency.
he will be defeated.

399 Suzette  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:28:28pm

re: #153 Spider Mensch

obama better stop reading the reader digest and cliff notes versions of "terrorism the root causes". This man may be smart, but he's not smart enough. not by a long shot is he smart enough to run my country.

I don't think he is as smart as he is more power hungry and driven to
for the need of power.

400 Suzette  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:32:11pm

re: #389 FrogMarch

"There is no terrorist threat"

--Michael Moore - meme maker to the proggies


Michael Moore is purely anti-American.
And Clint Eastwood said in an article that if he ever saw Michael Moore on his door step he would deck him. (Actually he used harsher words but I shall refrain from putting them on Charles Blog!)

401 quickjustice  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:45:50pm

re: #383 Charles

Morality as understood in Western civilization started with the ancient Greeks, Hebrews, and Romans. It antedates Christianity, because those cultures and religions antedate Christianity.

Jesus, after all, was a Jew, as was Paul of Tarsus. Their metaphysical roots are in Judaism, including the Jewish prophetic understanding of Meshiach, a messiah whom G-d would send to redeem Israel.

The two Jewish groups identified in the New Testament as Pharisees and Sadducees divided on this issue. The Pharisees were messianic Jews who believed in resurrection of the dead. The Sadducees disagreed.

A few messianic Jewish sects continue in existence today. The rest were wiped out by the Romans. The most successful surviving messianic group in terms of sheer numbers are the Christians.

402 Macker  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:59:56pm

re: #16 Leonidas Hoplite

This guy is out of his effin' elitist mind. It's not lack of empathy that leads the US to be first in where there is pain and suffering and tragedy somewhere in the world while Europe and all the other rich countries stand by and twiddle their thumbs.

Empathy didn't help Neville Chamberlain avoid war, Obama, it only made it worse.

I'm glad you put it this way Leonidas...I wanted to Fix It For Ya, but I thought better of it.

403 mobaby  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 8:22:47pm

Come on, some a little compassion, empathy even. Obama had no idea he would have an actual shot at the presidency in 2008 or he would have been modifying his positions (or at least obscuring them) back in 2001. Give the guy a break - he didn't realize he needed to hide his true beliefs back then, which is an understandable human mistake. He's not saying things like this now is he? He's learned his lesson (and is really trying to pander and hide now).

404 Dreadnaught  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 8:29:00pm

To be fair to the guy I'm not going to vote for, this was eight days after the attack. It's not as if much biographical information of the hijackers was known.

405 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 8:53:54pm

re: #14 maddogg

Still think that New Yorker cover was that stupid?

No, now I don't. Obama is a fool, and the power he might win would make him a very dangerous fool.

406 earthwirm  Tue, Jul 15, 2008 5:42:53am

Where did we fail in our empathy when Tim McVeigh and Padilla bombed the Murrah Building in OKC?

Where did we fail in our empathy when the Unabomber was mailing bombs?

Where did we fail in our empathy when Yousef and the Blind Sheikh bombed the WTC in 1993?

Where did we fail in our empathy when the Marine barracks were bombed in 1983?

Obama scares the dickens out of me. If he becomes presidente with Pelosi and Reid in the House and Senate I fear for our future.

I think the markets fear for our future too.

407 Gutneshama  Tue, Jul 15, 2008 7:38:46am

OMG...there are no words to describe the depth of depravity of this far-left lunatic. G-d save America.

408 jetziger  Tue, Jul 15, 2008 8:06:19am

Obama is a trojan horse.

Americans need to turn off the TV and get back to thinking straight. If we really want to be a Third World country, let's elect this Third World President!

409 leereyno  Tue, Jul 15, 2008 8:06:22am

This is just a repeat of the same old bullshit.

Leftists love to pretend that the social pathologies that plague urban ghettos are due to poverty and racism. The truth of course is that civilization itself has broken down in these communities.

There are few real families in these communities, only women having children to men who promptly abandon them. Men with one foot in the jailhouse and the other in the grave. Without strong families to raise the children, and without good values being taught to them, they grow up feral. These children, by repeating the same bad decisions and bad behavior of their parents, perpetuate the ills of their society into a new generation.

Unable or unwilling to take responsibility for their own bullshit, they blame everyone else. They pretend that they are victims of a vast conspiracy against them by people who in truth are only vaguely aware of their very existence.

The Arab world is much the same. It too represents a breakdown of civilization. Many of the pathologies that plague them are different from those plaguing people from the ghetto, but their reaction to those pathologies is stunningly similar. Instead of taking responsibility for their own bullshit, they pretend that there is a vast conspiracy against them by people who are only vaguely aware of their very existence.

So now along comes Obama to pretend that Islamic terrorism is, lo and behold, caused by poverty and racism.

Leftists really are delusional. They're unable to accurately analyze a problem, and then declare that 3rd parties to the problem as they have described it are responsible for its continued existence.

It is almost as if they're TRYING to get stuff wrong on purpose.

The social ills within urban ghettos are not caused by poverty. The poverty is caused by the social ills, which also have many other negative effects such as substance abuse, crime, illegitimacy, poor to non-existent academic performance, etc ,etc, etc. The source of these social ills is a lack of functional values within the community itself and the absence of functional families to pass those values on. These problems are not the result of a conspiracy. They are not caused by what Bill Cosby has described as "mythical white people."

The social ills within Islamic societies are likewise not caused by poverty. Poverty does exist within them to be sure, but it is caused by the culture and values of the society itself. Whether the dysfunctional values and beliefs that plague these societies is inherent to Islam is debatable. At the end of the day it does not matter. These problems are not caused by a conspiracy. The US and Israel are not responsible for the abysmal state of affairs in the Muslim world. The Muslims who live there are, along with the values and beliefs that inspire and influence their decisions.

People like Obama will never understand this, or at least never allow themselves to. To do so would go against their religion.

Unfortunately when people like this are put into a position of power, their delusions become manifest in public policy. What follows from there can be understood by anyone who has ever seen a train wreck. The real problems aren't solved. They are usually made worse in fact, and new problems are created along the way.

If he does get elected just remember, in a Democracy the people get the government they deserve. In other words don't blame Obama, blame the people who voted him into office.

410 Rishonah  Tue, Jul 15, 2008 5:01:56pm

In the more than thirty years since I became eligible to vote, I have never not voted for the Democrat. I even voted for Jimmy Carter, twice, although I hated doing it. (If Gerald Ford had not pardoned that wretch, Richard Nixon, I would have voted for him in 1976.) If I knew then, what I know now, I would not have voted for Carter, either time, I would have left it blank. In the same way, I cannot bring myself to vote for Barak Obama. There is no there, there. The man has no center, and less sense.

I think I will go bake some cookies and forget about politics.


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