complicit in murder?

I guess they were glad to get the 'scoop'.

Did the photographer bring his own gun?

Another shining moment for "accountability journalism".

Western journalists don't yet understand how they're being used.

Sadly, I think that these photographs are real...

"Excuse me ladies, could you move a little to the left so I could get a better shot?"

AP is morally deficient.

Are the burqas much darker in the second picture?

Whatcha wanna bet we know where Rahmatullah Naikzad's sympathies lie?

/ant hill fodder

Way to go AP. You guys are the epitome of journalistic .... something.

I feel badly for the olden days when mass murderers had to take their own pictures. Those National Socialists really had it tough, and could have used the AP.

/sarc

You couldn't expect him to interfere could you? It's not like they were acting Republican or anything.

I guess cognito should be here any minute to defend the ap photographers....sigh....time to go read yesterdays box scores from the baseball games...

Must be that empathy the Obama was yapping about.

They don't call it Allah Press for nothing.

'Two unidentified Afghan Women chat with each other a few minutes before they were executed by Taliban in Ghazni province, Afghanistan ...'

. These women were murdered, and one of the murderers is an AP photographer named Rahmatullah Naikzad.

re: #6 jaunte

Western journalists editors don't yet understand how they're being used.

Changed that to what I THINK you meant. Correct?
(ie, the home office getting used by the stringers)

I'm just speechloess at this caption with one of the photos:

Two unidentified Afghan Women chat with each other a few minutes before they were executed by Taliban

In the eyes of whoever wrote that - they're "chatting" with each other as if they've just met for coffee or something . . .

Well Obama would say the women suffered from a lack of empathy, and so were deserving of their fate at the hands of Afghanistan's poor and underprivileged.

That is absolutely depraved. If you want to see moral equivalence, AP photographer/Taliban is a good place to start.

Why is this same AP photographer, Rahmatullah Naikzad allowed so close to OUR soldiers?

re: #23 NoSubmission

I dont' understand the point of "on the spot" journalists in the 1st place.

I wonder how much he got paid for those shots.

re: #23 NoSubmission

Why is this same AP photographer, Rahmatullah Naikzad allowed so close to OUR soldiers?

That is an excellent question.

re: #9 jemima

AP is morally deficient.

As an understatement, that looks like one of those sinkholes which swallow Florida houses.

re: #19 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yes; everyone using each other; home office with no clue they're being used too.

The photos were taken at different times of the day, so this photographer came back to the scene. Still, these women, fully covered with the burkha were insufficiently Islamist for the Taliban who murdered them.

They consider it punishment and a threat - don't cross them or they'll do the same to you too.

The AP, I'm sure, is hoping that this photographer gets a Pulitzer, just as one of its guys did - for taking similar photos.

re: #20 reine.de.tout

I'm just speechloess at this caption with one of the photos:
In the eyes of whoever wrote that - they're "chatting" with each other as if they've just met for coffee or something . . .

I noticed that too. Chatting? Or crying because their children will never have mothers? Who could tell? They were already in their body bags.

Thank you Charles for spotlighting this atrocity.

How about a Riefenstahl award?

AP wants to be there like the creeps who hung around with Fidel & Che documenting Castro & Guevara's "Revolucion or Death" back in the 1950s.

All to ingratiate themselves with mass murderers.

re: #23 NoSubmission

Why is this same AP photographer, Rahmatullah Naikzad allowed so close to OUR soldiers?

You think he might be passing on intelligence to his blood brothers?

/just wonderin'

The AP is agenda driven so in their world of moral equivocation, it is not more wrong for the Taliban to commit these atrocities than it is for U.S. troops to kill "insurgents." There other argument is that they are merely providing a prism - they are not responsible.

It is all despicable but all too predictable.

I'm glad this got a thread. I posted these same 2 pics on the spinoffs this morning.

re: #20 reine.de.tout

I'm just speechloess at this caption with one of the photos:

In the eyes of whoever wrote that - they're "chatting" with each other as if they've just met for coffee or something . . .

There is a moral vacuousness in that phrase that defies comprehension.

re: #6 jaunte

Western journalists don't yet understand how they're being used.

Rahmatullah Naikzad surely did.

An Associated Press photographer embedded with the Taliban stood by and snapped pictures as they brutally murdered two women.

Scum like this should be shot when discovered.

re: #6 jaunte

Western journalists don't yet understand how they're being used.

Oh, but they do. And they're quite happy to do it. But the photographer was by no means a Western urinalist. He's one of the stringers used due to cutbacks, which shows how mind-numbingly self-defeating those cutbacks are. As if they care, though.

re: #19 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Changed that to what I THINK you meant. Correct?
(ie, the home office getting used by the stringers)

they have an iq of 10?

Hey feminists where are you? Huh? Let's hear fom you for a change. Not a peep. Thought so.

What, no outrage from the left? NOW? Amnesty Intl?

re: #34 NoSubmission

I'm glad this got a thread. I posted these same 2 pics on the spinoffs this morning.

Maybe if we were to arm the muslimas they would take care of the sick p****s that do this.

Probably were MURDERED for having an eyelash on the outside of the mask.

you know what is more despicable than these photos

the AP probably paid the Taliban for the right to be there in the first place

re: #43 Racer X

What, no outrage from the left? NOW? Amnesty Intl?

Code stink was unavailable for comment.

They weren't "murdered" you Amerikkkan cretins. They were justly punished according to their superior non-Western culture. Do you not execute criminals in the United States (regrettably so)? These muslimas defied Sharia, earning them the death penalty!

/AP apologist mode off.

#21

"Well Obama would say the women suffered from a lack of empathy, and so were deserving of their fate at the hands of Afghanistan's poor and underprivileged. "

Hee hee! Yeah, they wuz just askin fur it! Durn unempathetic lackeys o' crusaders n' zion anyways!

re: #43 Racer X

What, no outrage from the left? NOW? Amnesty Intl?

These murders were really caused by Bush, with global warming being a possible secondary cause.

/

The AP will soon be no more, especially if Fournier has his way. OTOH, he and the NYCrimes are helping pave the way for the new journalism by sending actual readers elsewhere in search of news...

Politico has a great article on what's been happening at the AP Washington bureau: [Link: www.politico.com...]

re: #38 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Scum like this should be shot when discovered.

God help us, what kind of animals are we fighting?

That whole body cover thing must make it a lot easier to murder one's fellow Muslim.
But then, a woman not in a body cover can be raped and murdered by these animals pretty easily, too.
Maybe the males are simply uncontrollable beasts.
(Apologies to all wild animals.)

OT but related (reposted from open thread)

But Cartoons Lampooning These Murderers is a ThoughtCrime

Why Islam Is Unfunny for a Cartoonist
The arrest of a controversial Dutch cartoonist has set off a wave of protests. The case is raising questions for a changing Europe about free speech, religion and art.
By ANDREW HIGGINS
July 12, 2008; Page W1

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

re: #38 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Scum like this should be shot when discovered.

Normally I can't stomach Bill O'Reily (I am "Blowhard Intolerant") but one idea he has put forward rings true: the "Global War on Terror" needs to morph into something that resembles the Baptism scene from "The Godfather".

the photos reminds me of "A Thousand Splendid Suns". good reading for any whom have not read it yet.

re: #46 VegasRick

re: #43 Racer X

All are too busy hyperventilating over the mere possibility that Conyers and the leftists in Congress might hold hearings over Bush's actions that resulted in the deposing of a genocidal dictator in Iraq.

re: #49 Occasional Reader

These murders were really caused by Bush, with global warming being a possible secondary cause.

/

Definately. I hadnt yet come to the secondary conclusion but I am certain you are correct.

More from The Associated Press of Peace™

PHOTO: A U.S. soldier controls the area from the roof of Miradenah girls' high school in the Malistan district of Ghazni province, southwest of Kabul, Afghanistan, on June 2. RAHMATULLAH NAIKZAD / ASSOCIATED PRESS

re: #41 Eowyn2

they have an iq of 10?

$10.
The price of street-corner whores has gone up.

/so I've heard, I wouldn't know

re: #54 taxfreekiller

Unpunished yet for crimes just like this.

Jane Fonda and John F. Kerry.

First things first, undo the lack of punishment for these prior crimes, get Kerry out of our Senate, take Fonda's citizenship from her.

These new improved traitors of the AP executives just could pay attention if treason had consequences.

Like it is, they think they will become U.S. Senators later.

I'd like to also remind you that CBS (Dan Rather and Mary Mapes too) should be indicted for trying to influence an election, remember that wholel guard docs show was illegal and they too should be prosecuted

There will be a reconing one day for the reprobates at AP. Such deserve no compassion.

The AP pictures reflect reality. However, to see what the BBC's concerned about check out BBC Drama Portrays Fundamentalist Christian Beheading Moderate Muslim

Well, thats the gist of Islam, isn't it? Prostitution is punishable by murder, while murder is socially acceptable, at least if the victim is female or infidel.

re: #57 lawhawk

re: #43 Racer X

All are too busy hyperventilating over the mere possibility that Conyers and the leftists in Congress might hold hearings over Bush's actions that resulted in the deposing of a genocidal dictator in Iraq.

or what part Madonna had to play in Arods divorce.

And much much more...

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re: #10 VegasRick

They're spattered with blood, and also, the angle of the sun changes their appearance.

The first photo was taken with a flash, I think, at night.

re: #6 jaunte

Western journalists don't yet understand how they're being used.

These were taken by a middle east reporter, I wouldn't call him a western journalist. The western press needs to disown AP for their sucking up to terrorism.

Any time you read an article, check the name of the writer. If they are of middle eastern descent, chances are they are performing hteir jihad duty by spreading lies.

I called the AP, got hung up on before I said a word. Called them again, got a truly bored, surly operator who transferred me to voice mail when I said I wanted to lodge a complaint. Left a message about their snuff activities.

Dammit.

It's one thing to come upon this scene independently and film/photograph it. It's quite another to be along for the ride as the whole scene unfolds and to willingly provide a propaganda outlet for what is nothing more than a snuff film.

It's instructive because we see the barbarism of the Taliban and their fellow travelers - al Qaeda.

It's also instructive because we see that there are depths of depravity that AP will not avoid plumbing. Their stringers and reporters and photographers will go with anyone, anywhere, and document anything in pursuit of a Pulitzer. They will embed with terrorists, and provide an outlet for their propaganda.

True, this provides insight into the workings of a terrorist group and reprehensible group, but the costs are simply too high - and AP should bear the burden for their transgressions. They have aligned with the enemies of humanity and look the other way as they repeatedly have their people working closely with terrorists, insurgents, jihadis, Taliban, and al Qaeda - all of whom are intent upon doing harm to others.

re: #51 Eowyn2

It is like a scene from the Lord of the Rings when Aragorn asks that very same question...

The question that lingers and lingers is when will the slumbering giant awake to this display of Evil...

re: #57 lawhawk

re: #43 Racer X

All are too busy hyperventilating over the mere possibility that Conyers and the leftists in Congress might hold hearings over Bush's actions that resulted in the deposing of a genocidal dictator in Iraq.

Of course this was caused by Bush's Islamophobia and the next step will be for Obambi to back hearings and propose reparations to the Taliban.

re: #63 tgibson1962

The AP pictures reflect reality. However, to see what the BBC's concerned about check out BBC Drama Portrays Fundamentalist Christian Beheading Moderate Muslim

Dammit! Had to correct a typo before I even got past the third paragraph.

Only the Beeb knows for sure Sharia

He probably also denounced the women to the Taliban, had something to eat while they went out and did the kidnapping, then when the "questioning" that proved their "crime" was over, strolled over and snapped the pictures. Wonder how much AP is paying him for the "scoop"?

It would be nice if he "stepped on something" soon.

re: #59 NoSubmission

More from The Associated Press of Peace™

PHOTO: A U.S. soldier controls the area from the roof of Miradenah girls' high school in the Malistan district of Ghazni province, southwest of Kabul, Afghanistan, on June 2. RAHMATULLAH NAIKZAD / ASSOCIATED PRESS

Isn't that giving out troop locations?

re: #60 pre-Boomer Marine brat

$10.
The price of street-corner whores has gone up.

/so I've heard, I wouldn't know

I think I'd prefer the company of a 10 dollar whore to the AP powers that be. At least the whore is honestly selling something real.

/so I've heard, I wouldn't know either.

That Rahmatullah really gets around...

re: #6 jaunte

Yes they do but they don't care. (pulitzer, pulitzer, pulitzer = mantra going on in their head while they stand mute witnesses to savagery).

COGNITO paging COGNITO.

I can't believe he hasn't arrived yet.

"Stood by" is a charitable way to describe it. The photographer is probably in bed with the Taliban, and just re-sells the propaganda to the AP for extra money (since, as far as I'm aware, the AP doesn't pay in goats).

re: #79 WriterMom

It is like Beetlejuice. You have to say his name one more time.

I can't begin to say how much this disgusts me. These women had families. They had lives. They were then cut down in their prime, executed like animals (in many cases, animals are treated more humanely in the West) and a photographer just stood there snapping pictures- a witness to a murder. Some will undoubtedly (and we all know who that 'some' may be) argue that this man was simply doing his job, much as those who witness an execution. However, for the small number of people we execute in the U.S., I don't ever recall their last moments splashed on paper like this.

I suppose my final question is- what religion is this stringer? Is he a Christian or something else? If he falls into the "other" category, does he indeed believe that this sentence is just? is he sympathetic to the Taliban? And if so, why on earth is he let anywhere near our troops?

I have no regard at all for the AP. Its sordid history of palming off propaganda and fakery for news is well-established.

On the other hand, I don't think that circulating photos of islamic brutality is to be criticized. It's a refreshing change of pace from the AP's usual fetish for publishing photos of supposed Israeli brutality.

Anyway, besides walking away, what should the photographer have done? Intervened physically? Good luck with that.

Bottom line is that if the RoP is going to commit atrocities, I prefer that they be publicized, no matter who does it.

Afghani policeman in this photo is giving old Rahmatullah quite a look.... wonder if he smells a rat?

So much for prostitution being a victimless crime.

These photographs and story should get much wider coverage so more people are exposed to the exact nature of what we are up against. Hiding it just makes it easier to ignore.

Execution for allegedly running a prostitution ring. Love to see anyone try to spin that as acceptable.

re: #61 Adrenalyn

I'd like to also remind you that CSeeBS (Dan Rather and Mary Mapes too) should be indicted for trying to influence an election, remember that wholel guard docs show was illegal and they too should be prosecuted

corrected it for ya ;-)

A new degree of scum.

re: #59 NoSubmission

June 2, 2008, he's with American soldiers.

re: #66 NoSubmission

And much much more...

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June 12, 2008, he's with the Taliban.

The media is the enemy.

re: #81 WrathofG-d

OK, I'll try again. And I'll do it louder.

COGNITO COGNITO COGNITO

What's you opinion about these shots (the pictures, and the murder)?

This reminds me of this article I read the other day:
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

Note to the article writer: the reason they treat you with such respect, is because you're on their side.

Disgusted by the fools. Well, the AP has done worse than just meeting up with them. Still I'm disgusted by any of them meeting with the enemies of western democracy, and sympathising with them.

re: #77 NoSubmission

He has a murder fetish.

I wonder what the one woman had in that yellow bag?

re: #86 FurryOldGuyJeans

Forgot to add:

Where are the death penalty people who are so eager to proclaim that executing someone for ANY crime is immoral?

re: #66 NoSubmission

And much much more...

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The second one is very telling.

Prostitution is a code word for a convenient allegation...who knows what these women did or did not do? - it is all at the discretion savages who could not recognize evil if it fell on them.

re: #13 WrathofG-d

I feel badly for the olden days when mass murderers had to take their own pictures. Those National Socialists really had it tough, and could have used the AP.

/sarc

Well, they did have Leni Reifenstahl.

re: #95 Dianna

I wonder what the one woman had in that yellow bag?

Based on the 2nd photo, a pink handbag and blue comb have spilled out of it. Which tells me at some point she was removed from her home and taken to a place to be held and allowed to take along some personal items.

re: #70 lawhawk

It's one thing to come upon this scene independently and film/photograph it. It's quite another to be along for the ride as the whole scene unfolds and to willingly provide a propaganda outlet for what is nothing more than a snuff film.
It's instructive because we see the barbarism of the Taliban and their fellow travelers - al Qaeda.
.

that is the key distinction, you are right.

re: #97 MandyManners

The second one is very telling.

Oh yea. He's friends with them alright.

re: #63 tgibson1962

That should be a thread.

re: #89 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That guy is a real piece of work. Those Taliban pictures are obviously staged propaganda shots. And the sickest part is if the U.S. troops try to arrest this guy the ACLU will swoop in with the blessing of the Supreme Court and force us to litigate the matter in district court. Unbelievable.

re: #100 wahabicorridor

Thanks. I didn't see those items. The locals must have found her stuff not worth looting.

re: #94 buzzsawmonkey

Put on your old grey bustle
And get out there and hustle
Tomorrow the mortgage's coming due;
Put your ass in clover
Let the boys look it over
If you can't get five take two.

--Traditional

Triva time, triggered by something or other coming out of the ether:

Charles Wesley (hymn writer, brother of John) is supposed to have said: "Unfortunately, the devil has all the good songs."

/just monkeying around
*duck*

re: #73 pre-Boomer Marine brat

re: #63 tgibson1962

The AP pictures reflect reality. However, to see what the BBC's concerned about check out BBC Drama Portrays Fundamentalist Christian Beheading Moderate Muslim

reply to complaints
"This storyline looked at religious fundamentalism within a fictional Christian group, and one character in particular who took his beliefs to an extreme. His ignorance and misguided behaviour lead to the beheading of a peaceful Asian Muslim character in the drama. His actions are clearly condemned by leading Muslim and Christian clerics. The drama also has the balance of a Christian character that has a deep faith which she uses humbly and only for good. "

So where was the Psycho Asian Muslim Rage Boy murdering Christians"
I havent seen this piece of garbage based on fact but I'll bet the White Christian male did the beheading because the White Christian Female had the hots for the Peaceful Asian Muslim.

5 bucks - any takers?

re: #90 TalkinKamel

Since Cognito has not arrived, could you stand in for him? :)

re: #83 Cicero05

Anyway, besides walking away, what should the photographer have done? Intervened physically? Good luck with that.

Why not walk away-why participate in this assignment?

re: #97 MandyManners

Yes, it would seem it takes quite a reasonable level of confidence and friendship for the photographer to be around such an arsenal.

re: #77 NoSubmission

I'm surprised there isnt a mickey mouse doll cradled in that guy's arms.

re: #111 Eowyn2

I'm surprised there isnt a mickey mouse doll cradled in that guy's arms.

Or a qu'ran.

re: #70 lawhawk

You make a good point. Was this something spontaneously documented and then 'exposed' to the world, or was it planned, were invitations extended to journalist friends and the agenda well known in advance.

Look at the young boys that watched this murder. Sick doesn't even describe it.

re: #104 Diamond Bullet

That guy is a real piece of work. Those Taliban pictures are obviously staged propaganda shots. And the sickest part is if the U.S. troops try to arrest this guy the ACLU will swoop in with the blessing of the Supreme Court and force us to litigate the matter in district court. Unbelievable.

I volunteer for Jury duty

When some scumbag terrorist murders someone, AP calls it an execution. The only people AP brands as murderers are American soldiers.

AP: Lower than whale sh*t.

re: #109 WriterMom

Anyway, besides walking away, what should the photographer have done? Intervened physically? Good luck with that.

Why not walk away-why participate in this assignment?

If he is or isn't with the Taliban, walking away when you have been told to be somewhere by them is not really an option in that neck of the woods.

And they wonder why the world looks at them as animals.

re: #112 NoSubmission

Or a qu'ran.

oh yeah, one that is spotless. no blood, no guts, and Koran is written in english:)

re: #117 JohnnyReb

If he is or isn't with the Taliban, walking away when you have been told to be somewhere by them is not really an option in that neck of the woods.

Did the Taliban also follow him to make sure he submitted the photos to the AP?

re: #20 reine.de.tout

I'm just speechloess at this caption with one of the photos:

In the eyes of whoever wrote that - they're "chatting" with each other as if they've just met for coffee or something . . .

Absolutely, I can't get over that either reine. This is creepy horror, unfortunately it's not SAW IV we're talking about. This is real and it's one of the biggest press outfits in the world doing it. Chilling to the bone.

re: #117 JohnnyReb

I don't mean walk away from the Taliban at that moment-I mean, why not walk away from the assignment if you know in advance what is going to happen.

re: #117 JohnnyReb

If he is or isn't with the Taliban, walking away when you have been told to be somewhere by them is not really an option in that neck of the woods.

Another option would have been to get close up pictures of the taliban members who are responsible for this injustice.

re: #104 Diamond Bullet

That guy is a real piece of work. Those Taliban pictures are obviously staged propaganda shots. And the sickest part is if the U.S. troops try to arrest this guy the ACLU will swoop in with the blessing of the Supreme Court and force us to litigate the matter in district court. Unbelievable.

I wonder what the US soldiers (shown in his photos) think of stringers like him.

/ant hill fodder? ... just askin'

This photograph had to know he was going to see bad stuff when he decided to embed with the Taliban. It's not like they were going to pass out candy and flowers and build roads or schools. They were going to kill people. And he should have seen the writing on the wall as those two women were held - to await execution by daylight.

Inexcusable.

However, the fact that he embedded gave him little choice once this situation developed because I'm also sure that the Taliban would have made it three bodies instead of two if he didn't participate. Yes, I know that the Taliban need to get their propaganda out, but if this photographer really had qualms about what was unfolding, he could have refused to take the photos/video. It would have been a principled stand and could have meant his own death. And instead of seeing this footage, we'd learn that the terrorists have killed yet another reporter.

The fateful decision was to embed with these thugs in the first place. Every decision thereafter only compounded the error.

I don't think he is an AP photog embedded with the Taliban.

I think he is Taliban embedded with the AP.

Did AP reporters inbed with the Nazis during world war 2?

What kind of shit is that, imbeding with terrorists. Should be a crime

re: #121 Aylios

Doesn't everyone meet to chat just before being murdered by barbarous thugs.

Look up your paper's ombudsman at this site -

Call, e-mail, or write him/her asking that your local paper step up and do something about enabling the snuff-film, terrorist-embedded AP.

Every little bit helps.

re: #124 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'm wondering if this isnt a "pool" of reporters with all the remuneration under one name and then they split it up.

A most astute posting lawhawk, thank you for providing it.

I must be weird though, my first thoughts were how bad this would reflect on them when viewed by their supporters in the West; not about how bad the AP stringer was!

SF
Bill

re: #70 lawhawk

It's one thing to come upon this scene independently and film/photograph it. It's quite another to be along for the ride as the whole scene unfolds and to willingly provide a propaganda outlet for what is nothing more than a snuff film.

It's instructive because we see the barbarism of the Taliban and their fellow travelers - al Qaeda.

It's also instructive because we see that there are depths of depravity that AP will not avoid plumbing. Their stringers and reporters and photographers will go with anyone, anywhere, and document anything in pursuit of a Pulitzer. They will embed with terrorists, and provide an outlet for their propaganda.

True, this provides insight into the workings of a terrorist group and reprehensible group, but the costs are simply too high - and AP should bear the burden for their transgressions. They have aligned with the enemies of humanity and look the other way as they repeatedly have their people working closely with terrorists, insurgents, jihadis, Taliban, and al Qaeda - all of whom are intent upon doing harm to others.

re: #91 WriterMom

Not sure if the "opinion" question was for me or Congnito but:

I see tragedy, and opportunity.

On one hand, I am shocked that these guys (the AP) would just follow the Taliban around and not tip off the Coalition forces to their whereabouts. Especially after witnessing the brutality they are inflicting on the general population.

On the other hand it is great that they are detaling the Taliban brutality. It should be on the U.S. Armed Forces and American/Western MSM to promote this story, and creat their own narrative.

That being said, they aren't; and instead the Taliban is using these photos (most likely) as a warning to the other "infidels".

I also wonder why it is that the U.S. isn't sending (assuming they aren't) C.I.A., and Special Ops to infultrate the Taliban by posing as AP stringers, etc. Or on the other hand, forcing the AP to relay information regarding where these pictures are being taken etc.

Even if he only participated in the PR event out of fear for his life, we are seeing the photos so clearly he submitted them.

And the AP approved of them. "Publish terrorist prop? Sure!"

re: #127 pegcity

I think the term is "embedded"; however, I think your term "inbed", with a strategic space, is closer to the truth.

re: #115 Eowyn2

I volunteer for Jury duty

The defense atty would take one look at your face as you filed in with the rest of the pool and ...

re: #125 lawhawk
I think he is the Taliban or a sympathiser.

There I was laughing a minute ago at the Obama thread. This one is so sad. These "people" are sick.

Last week in Atlanta a father strangled his daughter for wanting out of an arraigned marriage. Several weeks ago in Texas a father shot and killed his two daughters for being too western.

Obama, I sure hope you flip flop on that empathy thing.

And now, in deference to the forthcoming Fairness Doctrine, we turn the podium over to the National Organization of Women for their response to this vicious and lethal display of misogyny. Ms. Ireland, the podium is yours.

Ms. Ireland?

Um...Ms. Ireland?

Hello? Anyone there from NOW to speak up?

Anyone? Is this microphone working?

re: #122 WriterMom

I don't mean walk away from the Taliban at that moment-I mean, why not walk away from the assignment if you know in advance what is going to happen.

I am not defending this guy. What he did IMO is criminal. Just saying there may be a possibility that he didn't have a choice. Very low odds to be sure.

re: #108 maddogg

Since Cognito has not arrived, could you stand in for him? :)

I'll take the 2x4.

The media was simply reporting the event.

re: #138 NemoParticularis

They're all protesting at Augusta National.

re: #99 Tigger2005

Yea but they had to go and get Leni. Leni was hired by the NSDP themselves. The AP do it for free and on their own.

re: #125 lawhawk

"now I will show you how a real man dies"

Would they have killed the women anyway if he had been detained elsewhere and couldn't make it? Maybe, but maybe they were murdered only for show, and without the show, no murders.

re: #141 Silhouette

They're all protesting at Augusta National.

*smacking forehead* Of course. How careless of me to let that slip my mind.

re: #127 pegcity

There is a long history of journalists and artists being co-opted by murderous regimes for propaganda purposes.

re: #126 Silhouette

He is Taliban embedded with friends.

This is horrific, when are these people going to be made to pay for these outright murders they are allowed to perpetrate on a daily basis, with no fear of reprisal? The politically correct handcuffs need to be removed from our military, and they need to be allowed to do the job they were trained to do. Those women would likely be alive today if it was not for the democrats using every possible means to tie the hands of the US military, because they hate the President. That idiocy has a steep price, and the left has no clue. I told my husband the first week we went to war in Afghanistan, that IMO, the worst thing the government/military could do was embed MSM reporters to monitor our troops and keep them from doing the tough things that need to be done to win the war, and stop the terrorists. They should have stuck with old time military photogs, and released the price they wanted released. Freedom of the press is wonderful. But, the press today does not care if they harm the country with what they report. They don't care if innocent women are executed, as long as they get the story. Can you imagine what would have happened if it has been a US serviceman there? He would have died trying to stop it, or, if he was complicit, he would have gone to prison. This photographer seems to enjoy his work a bit too much, as he stays right there with these murderers. What's next, are the MSM here going to lend out reporters to follow a domestic serial killer around, and claim they have no obligation to stop the killings, they are just there to get a story?

Lay down with dogs, wake up with fleas. The "reporter" was there because he wanted to be there at some point. If his group gets discovered, they should be exterminated like any other terrorist cell.

re: #130 Eowyn2

I'm wondering if this isnt a "pool" of reporters with all the remuneration under one name and then they split it up.

I think that's over-thinking it.

AP is so smug. These stringers are so smug. They've (both) gotten away with ... "murder".

/choosing "discretion"

re: #135 pre-Boomer Marine brat

whats a little taqqiyya betweeen friends?
shalom
bush is evil
danish cartoons are evil
the towers self destructed do to The Elders of Zion

Here let me get you a glass of cya, um, water.

This is criminal. Aiding and abetting the enemy. Profiting from murder. This makes me sick.

re: #110 WriterMom

Yes, it would seem it takes quite a reasonable level of confidence and friendship for the photographer to be around such an arsenal.

Makes me wonder if he's ever been on the other end of the lens.

re: #138 NemoParticularis

they only care about assuring the right to terminate unique human beings is still available. this stuff, they don't care.

it boggles.

re: #132 WrathofG-d

Since the Taliban is using these photos as a warning to other, uppity infidels (and women and apostates and others who fall afoul of Islam as well), their potential for good is outweighed by the evil purposes they're being put to. Therefore, it's tragedy.

re: #146 WriterMom

There is a long history of journalists and artists being co-opted by murderous regimes for propaganda purposes.

can you even think of a time in history when it has been this bad as a world-wide event? We are not talking yellow journalism within the Khmer Rouge, we are talking international yellow journalism. It stinks. Urin soaked yellow journalism.

I feel very bad for these two women. If the AP photographer hadn't been there, we would not have known that they existed. We wouldn't have yet another example of exactly the brutality of the enemy we face. Leftists would continue to rant about the oppression that we are responsible for that CAUSES this brutality - as if, if we left them alone, they wouldn't have murdered these two women and countless others that step outside their Sharia cultural prison. These photos are a stark example of what we and our children face in this war. It is horrific but that is the nature of our enemy and it's about time some people in this country woke up. Maybe this will shock them into reality. Doubt it.
That said, I better not hear the slightest peep out of AP if this photographer becomes collateral damage when a JDAM or Hellfire finds its mark on his travelling companions. They put him there, he is their responsibility.

And neighboring Pakistan is Taliban's enabler.

And Americans send their kids to Pakistan to learn this behavior, and we bring these madrassa-trained Pakistani-Americans back to the USA.

I am sick over 9 Americans killed after Talibans "overran" their position. Why don't we have "eyes in the skies" over all of Afghanistan at this point?

US troops should never be at these goons' mercy, knowing the AP is not with our troops.

re: #149 buzzsawmonkey

NOW has changed its name to THEN; "Termagant Hens Endorsing Negativity."

Hmmm. That seems to contradict the fundraising email I receied from S.H.R.E.W. - Sorority of Harridans Relentlessly Eschewing Wisdom.

But then, I could be mistaken.

re: #141 Silhouette

They're all protesting at Augusta National.

all 950 members of NOW are at Augusta?

I'm at a loss of words, the contempt I feel toward Rahmatullah Naikzad is immeasurable. The thought of one human being taking pictures while another is murdered is indescribable.

Perhaps one of our snipers could put him out of his misery.

Naikzad is the lowest form of life in the food chain.

re: #134 tgibson1962

"inbed".

Am I REALLY having the image of one-behind-the-other?

Where's that damned link about a crow flying over Kandahar?!?

re: #63 tgibson1962

The AP pictures reflect reality. However, to see what the BBC's concerned about check out BBC Drama Portrays Fundamentalist Christian Beheading Moderate Muslim

I hear that at the BBC, they believe most dog bites are due to people biting dogs.
Not to insult dogs; they are great (and Muslims hate them - that's just an extra reason to like dogs)

re: #157 Eowyn2

Yes, I think Walter Duranty's whitewash of the Stalinist famines is definitely a prescedent, and certainly, as mentioned above Leni Riefenstahl was a master. I think that the American mainstream media also helped the VietCong tremendously as well.

Embedded with the enemy = enemy. There is no wiggle room.

re: #166 Catttt

Embedded with the enemy = enemy. There is no wiggle room.

Yup.

re: #159 alegrias

That kind of language is part of the whitewash IMHO. There is a media vocabulary of semantic moral 'neutrality' which betrays the evil at its core.

re: #158 DaChew

If the AP photographer hadn't been there, we would not have known that they existed.

Considering that their murders were for the purpose of striking fear in the hearts of others whose oppose Taliban rule, it is possible that if the AP photographer hadn't been there, they would still exist.

re: #165 WriterMom

i tip my hat and walk quietly out of the room

re: #153 Josephine

Agreed. The killings were illegal and so was filming them. A journalist couldn't embed with a serial killer, witness the crimes and expect to to be charged as an accomplice. The Afghan government should press charges.

re: #167 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Embedded with the enemy = enemy. There is no wiggle room.

On the flip side, we should remove the enemy from within - embeds on our side like "Michael Ware", et al, who are hoping against hope that we lose.

re: #161 Eowyn2

all 950 members of NOW are at Augusta?

I once did a search NOW's webpage. I got dozens of hits on the "tragedy" at Augusta, and three hits on genital mutilation, all prior to the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan.

re: #10 VegasRick

Are the burqas much darker in the second picture?

In the first picture, the flash used (nighttime) hits the burqas pretty hard. In the day, they appear normal.

re: #152 Eowyn2

Proper decorum demands that the guest gives the proffered beverage to the host's first-born male child.

/inshallah on your mother too

re: #165 WriterMom

I think that the American mainstream media also helped the VietCong tremendously as well.

The defeat of the U.S. in Vietnam had its genesis in the person of Walter Cronkite ("America's most trusted anchorman"), who falsely reported that the Tet Offensive was a disaster for the U.S. forces. In fact, it was a success, but that story never flickered into American living rooms during the evening news.

Were there no internet or cable television news today, I suspect our forces in Iraq would have met the same fate at the hands of Dan Rather and his ilk.

This thought is related to media malfeasance, but thank god, not as depraved as this story. I watch Bloomberg Business Channel a lot because I'm a day-trader. It seems like every other commercial they run is for for the New York Times "weekender' subscription deal. All these commercials have to cost major $. After last year's cut rate deal the NYT gave to Move-on for Move-On's "General Betreyus" whole page ad I'm wondering if Bloomberg gives the NYT some advertising discount? I'm not sure if anything is wrong here, but it just seems to smell, and I'm curious for any thoughts from all of you on this.

re: #171 Killgore Trout

charges

Killowatts

re: #165 WriterMom

Yes, I think Walter Duranty's whitewash of the Stalinist famines is definitely a prescedent, and certainly, as mentioned above Leni Riefenstahl was a master. I think that the American mainstream media also helped the VietCong tremendously as well.

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Yes, US & other Mainstream media got into the VietCong jails, took pictures of our POWs all beaten up & bloodied, but John McCain and hundreds others weren't given their meals, meds, or families' letters.

The world yawned & blamed Johnson & Nixon instead of the VietCong perpetrators whom the media agreed were "righteous" fighting the USA and our allies in Vietnam.

re: #166 Catttt

Embedded In-bed-with the enemy = enemy. There is no wiggle room.

fixed

re: #173 Silhouette

I've never liked NOW, the definition that the only way a woman could be a thinking person were if she were pro-abortion, anti-male, and liberal left leaning.

re: #172 islamofauxware

Embedded with the enemy = enemy. There is no wiggle room.

On the flip side, we should remove the enemy from within - embeds on our side like "Michael Ware", et al, who are hoping against hope that we lose.

Not disagreeing with that either. Aiding the enemy in any way, shape, or form should be grounds enough. I'm still waiting for a one of those 10,000 strong "Death to America" rallies to get wiped off the face of the earth. I'm pretty sure once the news get out that showing up to those is a death sentence, we'll see a lot less.

re: #171 Killgore Trout

Agreed. The killings were illegal and so was filming them. A journalist couldn't embed with a serial killer, witness the crimes and expect to to be charged as an accomplice. The Afghan government should press charges.

The Afghan government should drop charges.

Depth charges.

re: #173 Silhouette

I once did a search NOW's webpage. I got dozens of hits on the "tragedy" at Augusta, and three hits on genital mutilation, all prior to the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan.

that is astonishing. a truly morally empty organization.

Women 'enslaved' by Arab royals

Seventeen women have been taken by police from a luxury hotel in Brussels amid allegations that they had been enslaved by an Arab royal family.

Police officers and officials from Belgium's Labour Audit Authority raided the Conrad Hotel, the city's most prestigious and the preferred choice of many national leaders during European Union summits, on Tuesday evening.

The operation was triggered by the apparent escape of a maid who was among 20 servants working for the widow of a senior royal figure from the United Arab Emirates and her four daughters who have rented the entire fourth floor of the hotel for the last year.

Officials took away 17 people, from countries including the Philippines, Morocco, India, Egypt, Turkey, Iraq and Syria, amid allegations they had been held captive for eight months.

"Slaves" is such a hurtful word. They should use "freedom challenged" when describing cross-cultural issues like this. Anyway, I'm sure "poverty, ignorance, helplessness and despair" drove the royal family to keep slaves.

On a somewhat related note:

I finally abandoned my long-unfinished fauxtography master report. I posted the wreckage here, with this explanatory introduction:

THIS PAGE IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION -- permanently

I had originally hoped to post on this page the final, complete zombietime examination of the "fauxtography" scandal that emerged in the summer of 2006 during the war between Israel and Hezbollah. My Reuters Photo Scandal page was really intended to be nothing more than a rough draft for a more comprehensive essay, to be posted here. And the zombietime Red Cross Ambulance Incident page was to be merely a subset of a larger, more all-inclusive investigation here.

However, other priorities intervened, too much time passed, and in the end I never was able to complete this report. By the time of this writing, two years have elapsed since the events of the "fauxtography" scandal, and it's apparent that even if I were to complete this essay, it would be a moot point. So I've decided to set aside the project, permanently.

Unfortunately, I had set up the Web address of the Ambulance report (www.zombietime.com/fraud/ambulance/) to be a sub-page of a "parent directory" (www.zombietime.com/fraud) at this address. And the Ambulance report has gotten so well-known and has been linked to so widely that it's too late to change its address. As a result, there is an "orphaned" page at this URL, and I need to put something at this address.

So, below, you will find the very incomplete beginnings of what would have become the zombietime "Fraud" page. It's essentially the exact same information that you'll find on the Reuters Photo Scandal page, but in a different format. (In fact, the Reuters Photo Scandal page has been updated in the interim, so this page is not only woefully incomplete, but out-of-date as well.)

My original intent was to do a thorough investigation of each incidence of fraud discussed below. I started, at random, with the "Red Cross Ambulance Incident," and the resulting essay became a massive project all on its own, with international repercussions. But because that one investigation took so long, I never progressed to doing any of the other "fauxtography" cases. And the page you see below is the result -- a half-finished project.

And so, without further ado, here is the zombietime unfinished "Fraud" page:

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Fraudulent Photojournalism

Israel-Hezbollah Conflict, Lebanon, July-August 2006

A comprehensive overview of media deceptions and partisan propaganda disseminated as news

· Introduction
· Cloned Smoke
· Photoshopped Flares
· Green Helmet Guy
· The Red Cross Ambulance Incident
· The Building That Keeps Getting Destroyed
· The Unluckiest Woman in Lebanon
· The Miraculous Mannequin
· The Burning Quran
· The Passion of the Toys · The Lebanese Pieta
· The Spectacular Burning Dump
· Satellite Pictures of Beirut Bombing Damage
· The Bloodless, Armless Victim
· White T-Shirt Guy
· The Qasmiya Bridge
· Heavy Equipment Funeral
· Schoolgirl's Picture
· Theories: Possible Motivations for Media Fraud
· Additional Links

re: #172 islamofauxware

Embedded with the enemy = enemy. There is no wiggle room.

On the flip side, we should remove the enemy from within - embeds on our side like "Michael Ware", et al, who are hoping against hope that we lose.

I haven't seen that drunken liar in about a year. No more CNN. It has been great.

re: #181 Eowyn2

I've never liked NOW, the definition that the only way a woman could be a thinking person were if she were pro-abortion, anti-male, and liberal left leaning.

Let's call them what they truly are: self-hating females.

re: #176 NemoParticularis

So true. I grew up assuming it was a failure, just going by how it was always referred to in culture. I was an adult before I discovered it was a US victory. Most of the lies my parents clued me in on, but they missed that one.

I hates being lied to.

re: #176 NemoParticularis

he did the same thing to nuclear energy.

re: #182 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Not disagreeing with that either. Aiding the enemy in any way, shape, or form should be grounds enough. I'm still waiting for a one of those 10,000 strong "Death to America" rallies to get wiped off the face of the earth. I'm pretty sure once the news get out that showing up to those is a death sentence, we'll see a lot less.

Amen brother

But were they forced to listen to loud music? Were they intimidated by dogs? Underwear on the skull? No, so obviously they weren't tortured. It's all Bush's fault either way.

/moonbat

The photog didn't assist the women because he knew he could later Photoshop himself in trying to help.

Does anyone know what the moonbats want us to do in Darfur and Zimbabwe? They can't want us to invade, right? So it's sanctions or what else? More of the "soft" power that Krauthammer was talking about.

re: #181 Eowyn2

I've never liked NOW, the definition that the only way a woman could be a thinking person were if she were pro-abortion, anti-male, and liberal left leaning.

Agreed. And eerily similar to what Obama said in one of his books, that a black American can only be truly black (I think he says something about real black identity) if he hates whites with a rage.

re: #185 Kenneth

Women 'enslaved' by Arab royals

There are no Arab Royals. Just whichever ass-handed backward bedouin group happened to be on top when Westerners found oil under Easterners' feet.

re: #165 WriterMom

Yes, I think Walter Duranty's whitewash of the Stalinist famines is definitely a prescedent, and certainly, as mentioned above Leni Riefenstahl was a master. I think that the American mainstream media also helped the VietCong tremendously as well.

Leni Riefenstahl was no journalist. She was hired by the Nazis specifically to produce propaganda. She at least had honesty, in contrast to Duranty pretended to be a neutral journalist, as do the legions of biased agenda driven MSM reporters & journos today.

re: #185 Kenneth

Royal scum. I wish they could be treated to a dose of their own medicine as punishment.

re: #188 NemoParticularis

If people really knew how small their org is, they would be laughed at.

re: #108 maddogg

Heh, I'll do my best!

(Channeling Cognito) Now, before we all start jumping the gun, blaming the media and sounding like a bunch of KOS Kids again, let's just stay calm, and review the facts.

The facts are, that we see two women. Then we see that they are dead. Exactly. Or maybe they're sleeping. The AP Photographer is merely recording facts. We can't know, for sure, until all the facts come out, why they are dead, or who killed them, or what, exactly, the AP photographer was doing there? Was he embedded? That depends on the meaning of "embedded". Also, the meaning of, "of". Photographers have to be lots of places. Some of them aren't pretty. It depends on the meaning of "pretty." Do you anti-media LGFer's get upset when photographers take pictures of a crime scene? Well, do you, huh, huh, do you? I'll bet you don't, you hypocrites. Think of this a crime scene, and it all will seem nicer. For true facts, we all need the media, so let's just wait till the media tells us what really happened here.

Now, facts are excellent things, and one can never have too much of them. This AP photographer was just trying to give us facts---what's wrong with that? That's all the media anywhere tries to do for the masses, give them facts. And does anybody appreciate them for doing this? No, they rant on and on, doing this smear job of "blame the media first", and say foolish things such as these photographers should just have walked away from such an assignment, or have alerted someone as to what was happening. Rubbish! If the photographer had walked away, or tried to stop it, we wouldn't have the facts, and facts, as I said before, are excellent things. The AP is just trying to give us excellent facts, and how can you say that's not good?

:>)

re: #186 zombie

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Zombie,

You're the only photographer I "know" and respect! Thank you for all you've done to expose totalitarians here & abroad.

re: #185 Kenneth

The UAE royal family is well-known for trying its best to ameliorate "poverty, ignorance, helplessness and despair" ... uh ... by any means possible.

re: #165 WriterMom

Yes, the media helped with all those atrocities.

off to lunch

re: #200 TalkinKamel

Besides, the order of the photographs is important. How do we know that the women were not dead, then brought to life by the gunmen? We simply can't say.

re: #194 Spenser (with an S)

Does anyone know what the moonbats want us to do in Darfur and Zimbabwe?

They want us to send in a token force of Marines and restrict them to Peace Corps activities until local warlords kill them and then drag their bodies through the streets, at which point the president ("Oh, pleeeze, pretty-pleeeze let it be Barack," they chant between sips of Starbucks latte) will withdraw all military forces and proclaim a moral victory.

re: #194 Spenser (with an S)

No, they want to invade, but with phantom armies under the UN, whose mandate is nothing more than peacekeeping - the status quo - even as China, Russia, and South Africa all veto and block any attempt to impose the slightest sanctions against those heinous regimes.

re: #186 zombie

WooooHAH!
*GRIN*

re: #194 Spenser (with an S)

Does anyone know what the moonbats want us to do in Darfur and Zimbabwe? They can't want us to invade, right? So it's sanctions or what else? More of the "soft" power that Krauthammer was talking about.

They want us to "do something" in Africa only as a reason to pull out of Iraq.

When pressed on exactly what they would have Bush do in Africa, they are speechless at first, then decide the UN should do it, and if asked what to do if the UN refuses to act, decide that we shouldn't interfere in 'centuries old' rivalries in the first place. Oh, and they mix up Rwanda and Sudan, to add my trust to the expert opinion.

/Channeling Cognito again:

. . . Anyway, for all we know, those two women are just sleeping. Maybe they're not really dead. Or, if they are, maybe they weren't killed by the Taliban. We must keep an open mind, until the media gives us all the facts. What would we do without facts, and the media? Facts are good things. Remember that. And stay calm, whatever happens. The media has everything under control.

re: #205 MajorPribluda

Oh, that gets a ding up.

re: #205 MajorPribluda

LOL! Perfect!

:>)

re: #194 Spenser (with an S)

Does anyone know what the moonbats want us to do in Darfur and Zimbabwe? They can't want us to invade, right? So it's sanctions or what else? More of the "soft" power that Krauthammer was talking about.

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Wasn't Krauthammer's piece on useless "softpower" amazing!

As if on cue, and instead of engaging in some real mano-a-mano in Zimbabwe, Cindy McCain & Mike Huckabee are going to Darfur. "Hope" it helps but I'm not hopeful since no US fighting people are going along.

re: #211 Silhouette

Oh, that gets a ding up.

I'm new in this neighborhood. What is a "ding?"

re: #200 TalkinKamel
I stand in awe of your talent! Excellent! :)

re: #186 zombie

Nice work. This is the beginning of something big, I think.

re: #159 alegrias

I am sick over 9 Americans killed after Talibans "overran" their position

Yeah, I'd be sick too, if it were true.

200 Taliban surrounded on 3 sides a fortification that was barely complete, under construction fo about 2 days. CNN's euphimistic report of 'and then the Taliban melted away' is just their way of saying the Taliban lost 20% of their fighters - 40 KIA, no count I can find on wounded.

I'm sad for our nine, but we can sustain these losses. The Taliban cannot.

re: #205 MajorPribluda

Besides, the order of the photographs is important. How do we know that the women were not dead, then brought to life by the gunmen? We simply can't say.

Remember the assertion that Hezb'allah were collecting stuffed animals (to give to the children) from the rubble, not planting them for photo ops?

An Army That Learns

The U.S. Army has done something remarkable in its new history of the disastrous first 18 months of the American occupation of Iraq: It has conducted a rigorous self-critique of how bad decisions were made, so that the Army won't make them again.

Civilian leaders are still mostly engaged in a blame game about Iraq, pointing fingers to explain what went wrong and to justify their own actions. That's certainly the tone of recent memoirs by Douglas Feith, the former undersecretary of defense, and L. Paul Bremer, the onetime head of the Coalition Provisional Authority. These were the people making policy, yet they treat the key mistakes as other people's fault. Feith criticizes Bremer and the CIA, while Bremer chides former defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld and the military for ignoring his advice that the United States didn't have enough troops.

The Army can't afford this sort of retroactive self-justification. Its commanders and soldiers are the ones who got stuck with the situation in Iraq and had to make it work as best they could.

Fascinating read.

re: #214 NemoParticularis

See the plus and minus sign above each comment? (Also a number, a heart, and a !)

If you like it, hit the plus. And vice versa.

Drudge: AHMADINEJAD HEADED TO NYC AGAIN

re: #214 NemoParticularis

I'm new in this neighborhood. What is a "ding?"

Those little - + boxes to the right of your name in the comment box. People can upding or downding your comment. You can click on the score to see who dinged you. I gave you an upding for asking.

I think moonbats believe that if they and enough of their celebrity idols petition the U.N. and wear "Save Darfur" T-shirts, the problems will magically "disappear". You know, good karma and stuff.

re: #194 Spenser (with an S)

Does anyone know what the moonbats want us to do in Darfur and Zimbabwe? They can't want us to invade, right? So it's sanctions or what else? More of the "soft" power that Krauthammer was talking about.

re: #222 Kenneth

Those little - + boxes to the right of your name in the comment box. People can upding or downding your comment. You can click on the score to see who dinged you. I gave you an upding for asking.

Ah! Thanks. I was afraid to click on any of them, lest I somehow activate some arcane programming and obliterate myself from the site.

Terrorists in Afghanistan have a track record of offering foreign journalist an opportunity to film murder of innocent people and this is one of those cases.

re: #6 jaunte

Western journalists don't yet understand how they're being used.

Adjusted

re: #196 MajorPribluda

There are no Arab Royals. Just whichever ass-handed backward bedouin group happened to be on top when Westerners found oil under Easterners' feet.

I just hope the freed women don't wind up in the Middle East, where they'd risk a bullet in the head at sunrise for "prostitution."

re: #221 Killgore Trout

Drudge: AHMADINEJAD HEADED TO NYC AGAIN

Future Drudge: Plane mysteriously disappears over North Atlantic.

ohpleaseohpleaseohplease

re: #207 lawhawk

No, they want to invade, but with phantom armies under the UN, whose mandate is nothing more than peacekeeping - the status quo - even as China, Russia, and South Africa all veto and block any attempt to impose the slightest sanctions against those heinous regimes.

The problem is that everywhere the UN goes as "peacekeepers", they must be invited, and may not raise a hand against the "host" government. Even if that government is shooting civilians in the streets. The UN troops may watch, or leave. I do not see that UN getting its crap in one sock and going Article 41 any time soon.

re: #221 Killgore Trout

Drudge: AHMADINEJAD HEADED TO NYC AGAIN

OH GOD NO!

re: #132 WrathofG-d

"Wrath" -

I haven't been able to figure this Rahmatullah out. I will therefore reserve judgment. I DO have my suspicions though following 9 of ours being killed over the weekend. Thanks for posting this one Charles.

-S-

re: #226 Hard Right
re: #6 jaunte

Western journalists don'tyet understand care about how they're being used

Adjusted

re: #224 NemoParticularis

Ah! Thanks. I was afraid to click on any of them, lest I somehow activate some arcane programming and obliterate myself from the site.

Well, er......a few people have mysteriously disappeared, but.......

You gotta appreciate the fast-moving ''justice system'' in Islam.
An arrest, allegation, killing all in one day.
Who needs to be bogged down by legal representation, rules of evidence, juries, or even proof?

re: #225 winston06

Terrorists in Afghanistan have a track record of offering foreign journalist an opportunity to film murder of innocent people and this is one of those cases.

Foreign journalist shouldn't be such whores as to say yes.

re: #216 coquimbojoe

Nice work. This is the beginning of something big, I think.

No, it's the end of something big. I'm never going to finish it.

re: #218 Silhouette

Remember the assertion that Hezb'allah were collecting stuffed animals (to give to the children) from the rubble, not planting them for photo ops?

Zackly.

re: #225 winston06

winston06, I saw (and replied to) your blogpost on your friend's news from Tehran. Anything new? Thanks very much for the post.

re: #224 NemoParticularis

Ah! Thanks. I was afraid to click on any of them, lest I somehow activate some arcane programming and obliterate myself from the site.

OH GOD, DONT CLICK THAT ONE! I'M BURNING, AH IT HURTS!

re: #217 wahabicorridor

Yeah, I'd be sick too, if it were true.

200 Taliban surrounded on 3 sides a fortification that was barely complete, under construction fo about 2 days. CNN's euphimistic report of 'and then the Taliban melted away' is just their way of saying the Taliban lost 20% of their fighters - 40 KIA, no count I can find on wounded.

I'm sad for our nine, but we can sustain these losses. The Taliban cannot.

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Hola W. Corridor~

Yes, understood, and I want to believe we are winning. Yet the dems are trumpetting the 9 deaths ("More than in Iraq!"); Obama's team says Bush is in the wrong place, and Americans won't want to stay there if McCain loses to the surrender/appeaser/empathizer Bunny.

Still, I don't understand why we can't have movement sensors on the perimeter of these primitive sites even while they're under construction.

American garages & homes have movement sensors, why can't our troops have warning of crawling taliban troglodytes?

sorry to be so naive.

Two women were "chatting" before they were executed...oh I am sure they were chatting up a storm about the virtues of the taliban or how brave the reporter was for being there...

Can relatives of these women get a hold of a good lawyer and sue the Associated Press for tens of millions of dollars? This could be an unfortunate but ultimately fascinating wedge for lifting a rock and getting a good look underneath.

I am more concerned with AP's captioning and editorial treatement than with the fact that their guy on the spot took these pictures.

As lawhawk and others have pointed out, he could have intervened only at the cost of his life. He and AP are certainly accountable for accepting an arrangement with the Taliban but the photog had little choice about this particular set of pictures. Besides, (as also pointed out earlier) they do help illustrate the true depravity of our enemies.

For the editors to describe the condemned as "chatting," however, is unconcionable; as is the bland, neutral tone of the other captions. It seems designed to soften the reality of the pictures, so as to avoid a judgment about the perpetrators.
This is the sham of journalistic "neutrality," which is not the same as objectivity and which is definitely not a principled stand.
It is an objective judgment to describe these women as the pitiful victims of a barbarous kangaroo court, since that is a conclusion derived from the facts themselves. To be "neutral" in this situation is to give evil a pass, to pretend that the facts do not exist or that they are not relevant.

re: #239 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

OH GOD, DONT CLICK THAT ONE! I'M BURNING, AH IT HURTS!

LOL..................Ding

re: #242 lifeofthemind

Do you think the ACLU would take the case?

re: #148 CapeCoddah,

That idiocy has a steep price, and the left has no clue.

I disagree. The Left know exactly what they are doing. Everytime they protest against the United States, they are helping things like this happen. Everytime they call Bush Hitler, they are helping things like this happen.

Everytime they malign our Marines, they are helping things like this happen.

They know it and, at best, are indifferent to it. They simply don't care. Because when something like this happens, they can point to it and say that the US is failing. And that is what matters to them.

re: #236 zombie

No, it's the end of something big. I'm never going to finish it.

Yeah, but you got what you have done out there.
That's a lot better than holding it in storage until you have time to put together a "perfect" job.
As my dear, late father used to say,

Things done by halves are halfway done
And a halfass job is better than none.

re: #234 mean Gene

You gotta appreciate the fast-moving ''justice system'' in Islam.
An arrest, allegation, killing all in one day.
Who needs to be bogged down by legal representation, rules of evidence, juries, or even proof?

* * *
If you believe in speedy sharia, you can see why more than 24 hrs being fed, bathed & clothed in Guantanamo is considered "torture.

re: #219 Kenneth

An Army That Learns

Fascinating read.

News Flash for the WaPo--the military does this ALL THE TIME. Imagine being surprised at "An Army That Learns!" As if an Army that didn't learn would last more than a season.

Still, nice to see it said.

If you click the wrong thing in the corner, you may vote for Buchanan.

re: #230 NoSubmission

Which leftist university will he speak at this time?

re: #236 zombie

No, it's the end of something big. I'm never going to finish it.

It certainly a work in progress, but if you don't carry-on, there will always be a need for an archive of this willful malfeasance.

re: #251 Killgore Trout

Which leftist university will he speak at this time?

The DNC convention. He's introducing the VP.

The War Between the Wars
Who says we can only face our enemies in one place at a time?
By Christopher Hitchens

If there is one element of moral and political certainty that cements the liberal consensus more than any other, it is the complacent view that while Iraq is "a war of choice," it is really and only Afghanistan that is a war of necessity. The ritualistic solidity of this view is impressive. It survives all arguments and all evidence. Just in the last month, as the Iraqi-based jihadists began to beat a retreat and even (according to some reports) to attempt to relocate to Afghanistan and Pakistan, it still seemed to many commentators that this proved that no U.S. forces should have been wasted on Iraq in the first place. This simplistic view ignores, at a minimum, the following points:

1. Many of the al-Qaida forces—most notably the horrific but now deceased Abu Musab al-Zarqawi—made their way to Iraq in the first place only after being forcibly evicted from Afghanistan. Thus, if one did not want to be confronting Bin Laden fans in Mesopotamia, it was surely a mistake to invade Afghanistan rather than Iraq.

Thus Hitch destroys the central plank of the Obama foreign policy. RTWT!

re: #240 alegrias

American garages & homes have movement sensors, why can't our troops have warning of crawling taliban troglodytes?

These are foward operating bases - it's not just the bad guys coming in - it's the good guys going out and coming back - movement sensors can't distinguish

re: #6 jaunte

Western journalists don't yet understand how they're being used.

I feel fairly well assured they do know they are being used for propaganda purposes... treason against civilization in general that is far worse than this feigned ignorance of "journalistic neutrality"...

re: #215 maddogg

{maddog!}

:>)

re: #230 NoSubmission

Which leftist university will he speak at this time?

It is a perfect opportunity to perfect his arrest - the Left will be pleased , we can afford him a Guantanomo style trial and John Bolton can be lead prosecutor - he would be on the stand for days and days backpeddling over every empty threat he has blubbered about.

My God what a caption!

Two unidentified Afghan Women chat with each other a few minutes before they were executed by Taliban in Ghazni province, Afghanistan, on late Saturday, July 12, 2008. T

re: #140 Racer X

I'll take the 2x4.

The media was simply reporting the event.

I'll try, too.

Nice pictures. Great composition.

re: #255 wahabicorridor

These are foward operating bases - it's not just the bad guys coming in - it's the good guys going out and coming back - movement sensors can't distinguish

and they all dress alike anyhow. also your friend in the morning can turn out to be your enemy that night.

re: #247 wolfie

Things done by halves are halfway done
And a halfass job is better than none.

Or, in the inestimable and unforgettable words (lyrics, actually) of Sherry Bobbins and the Simpsons crowd:

Sherry: All right children, let’s clean up this room! Now, now, I know a little secret that will make the job go twice as fast

If there’s a task that must be done,
Don't turn your tail and run,
Don’t pout, don’t sob…Just do a half assed job!

If you cut every corner, it really not so bad,
Everybody does, even Mom and dad.
If nobody sees it, then nobody gets mad!

Bart: It’s the American way!

The policemen on the beat, needs some time to rest his feet…

Police Chief Wiggum: Fighting crime is not my cup of tea!

Sherry: And the clerk who runs the store, can charge a little more, for meat
Apu: For meat!
Sherry: And Milk
Apu: And milk!
Sherry and Apu: From nineteen eighty-four!

Sherry: If…You…Cut every corner, you’ll have more time to play…

Simpson Family: It’s the American way

re: #255 wahabicorridor

These are foward operating bases - it's not just the bad guys coming in - it's the good guys going out and coming back - movement sensors can't distinguish

* * *
This supposedly happened at 4am.
And,
Surely our good guys' uniforms can be treated to alert OUR movement sensors or their uniforms or helmets can signal the sensor "we are friend, not foe"!

re: #217 wahabicorridor

Yeah, I'd be sick too, if it were true.

200 Taliban surrounded on 3 sides a fortification that was barely complete, under construction fo about 2 days. CNN's euphimistic report of 'and then the Taliban melted away' is just their way of saying the Taliban lost 20% of their fighters - 40 KIA, no count I can find on wounded.

I'm sad for our nine, but we can sustain these losses. The Taliban cannot.

I'm not too sure about that, because even though we outnumber the Taliban, the latter can replace it's fighters much more easily than we can. Secondly, the west considers a thousand dead soldiers to be enormous, whereas in the muslim world they couldn't care less about 100,000 of theirs. They'd just pretend to care in order to mobilise the western left.

The AP of course knows the propaganda value that dead US soldiers have for the jihadis and the western left, this is exactly why they harp on about it so much.

re: #236 zombie

No, it's the end of something big. I'm never going to finish it.

Still, it's very good work. You have my respect.

I've just skimmed it, and will go back later for a more thorough read.

re: #197 Kenneth

I believe she had already started a career as a filmmaker before her direct work with the Nazis. And, in my post, I mentioned that both journalists and artists (of all stripes-musicians, filmmakers, etc..) have been co-opted for evil by various regimes.

That Nazi bitch lived to be over 100, may she rot in hell.