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One Third of UK Muslim Students OK with Killing for Islam

Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 5:38:17 pm PDT

This Religion of Peace Moment is brought to you by Muslims attending British universities: Third of Muslim students back killings.

ALMOST a third of British Muslim students believe killing in the name of Islam can be justified, according to a poll. The study also found that two in five Muslims at university support the incorporation of Islamic sharia codes into British law.

The YouGov poll for the Centre for Social Cohesion (CSC) will raise concerns about the extent of campus radicalism. “Significant numbers appear to hold beliefs which contravene democratic values,” said Han-nah Stuart, one of the report’s authors. “These results are deeply embarrassing for those who have said there is no extremism in British universities.”

The report was criticised by the country’s largest Muslim student body, Fosis, but Anthony Glees, professor of security and intelligence studies at Buckingham University, said: “The finding that a large number of students think it is okay to kill in the name of religion is alarming. ...

In addition to its poll of 1,400 Muslim and nonMuslim students, the centre visited more than 20 universities to interview students and listen to guest speakers. It found that extremist preachers regularly gave speeches that were inflammatory, homophobic or bordering on antisemitic.

The researchers highlighted Queen Mary college, part of London University, as a campus where radical views were widely held. Last December, a speaker named Abu Mujahid encouraged Muslim students to condemn gays because “Allah hates” homosexuality. In November, Azzam Tamimi, a British-based supporter of Hamas, described Israel as the most “inhumane project in the modern history of humanity”.

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1 GregInSeattle  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:39:56pm

Religion of Peace? Not so much.

2 jeremybi  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:40:05pm

Religion of Tolerance (of killing Kafirs)

3 elpresidente  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:40:26pm

Correction:

Islam--the most “inhumane project in the modern history of humanity.”

4 Timbre  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:41:12pm

But only 2% of the one-third are radical radicals.

5 JohnnyReb  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:41:22pm

Sickening.

6 stevieray  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:41:42pm

... and these are the educated, Westernized ones! I wonder what the isolated, marginalized ones think?

7 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:42:54pm

LORD NAPIER - Where are You when We NEED YOU?

-S-

8 grumpy old codger  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:45:08pm

I expect the Archbishop of Canterbury to immediately call for the implementation of sharia to help the ROP fulfill its dreams of world conquest.

9 Silhouette  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:45:47pm

Hey Britain, at least in Russian Roulette you only have a 1 out of 6 chance of it killing you.

You're living with a gun at your head.

10 solomonpanting[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:46:09pm
11 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:46:33pm

re: #7 Dr. Shalit

Reply To Self -

Feed those nutters back a "HOOLIGAN POLL." Seems to me 2/3 of Hooligans would Kill a Muslim for laughs if they could get away with it. Like Jack Lemmon in "How To Murder Your Wife" - Here is the "Button" - PUSH IT! Let THEM BE SCARED - VERY SCARED!

-S-

12 Sharmuta  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:47:29pm

When it comes to islam, tolerating the intolerable is more than just cowardice- it's suicidal.

13 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:47:44pm
In November, Azzam Tamimi, a British-based supporter of Hamas, described Israel as the most “inhumane project in the modern history of humanity”.

Is this what they call "bordering on antisemitic"?

14 LoFlyer  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:47:58pm

My prediction is that the UK either has to assimilate Muslim population to western values or fight a bloody civil war 10 or 20 years down the road. Every Euro nation loves to dis America but we are the only country successfully assimilating the Muslims. Europeans have historically been racist and intolerant of other religions. Why is the US assimilating and the UK isn't?

15 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:48:01pm
16 Shug  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:48:05pm
The report was criticised by the country’s largest Muslim student body, Fosis

They argued that the number is actually closer to 70%

17 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:48:28pm

wow. only 1/3rd. There may be hope after all!

18 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:48:57pm
19 JohnnyReb  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:50:18pm

This is the enemy my son will have to fight here in the US one day if these touchy feel laws keep geting past. I hope me and his mother have given him the strength, as I will not be able to help him due to age or death.

20 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:50:31pm

re: #16 Shug

They argued that the number is actually closer to 70%

"Shug" -

If that is SO - my HOOLIGAN POLL just lit up at 95% Explain to me - Pray Tell - why native Britons should put up with this POOP in THEIR COUNTRY?
Discussion?

-S-

21 USA  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:50:37pm

I suspect another third silently agrees. Tick, tick, tick....

22 Dread Cthulhu  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:50:39pm

Just another day in Londonistan. Nothing to see here.

23 Shug  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:50:46pm
“Allah hates” homosexuality

He tried it. Didn't like it

24 Shr_Nfr  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:51:03pm

re: #9 Silhouette

I got a S&W chief's special where there are only 4 rounds. Special made for Bwitain I guess. Hate to say this gang, but the end of this is going to be very, very ugly. Its going to be the soccer louts versus the mohead louts. My money is on the soccer louts. When it comes to being a lout, nothing beats a drunken Bwitish soccer fan.

25 Cognito  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:52:10pm

re: #10 solomonpanting

Not cool.

The aim is to be better, not the same.

26 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:52:28pm
27 Shay4l  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:52:45pm

In July, Shay4l, a US-based poster on LGF, described radical Islamists as the most “inhumane product of a tribal death-cult in the modern history of humanity”.

28 solomonpanting  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:53:15pm
It found that extremist preachers regularly gave speeches that were inflammatory, homophobic or bordering on antisemitic.

Whatever. Just as long as nobody is smoking.

29 USA  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:53:32pm

re: #20 Dr. Shalit

Explain to me - Pray Tell - why native Britons should put up with this POOP in THEIR COUNTRY?
Discussion?

-S-


The value of citizenship among many native Brits (and Americans) has diminished as too many immigrants with no emotional ties to their host country has risen. Big problem.

30 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:53:54pm
31 LoFlyer  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:54:18pm

re: #24 Shr_Nfr

I got a S&W chief's special where there are only 4 rounds. Special made for Bwitain I guess. Hate to say this gang, but the end of this is going to be very, very ugly. Its going to be the soccer louts versus the mohead louts. My money is on the soccer louts. When it comes to being a lout, nothing beats a drunken Bwitish soccer fan.

Got to agree with you, the soccer fans may have the numbers, but the radical Islamists have all the bombs. Which will piss off all the soccer fans and the Islamists do not have enough bombs to kill half of England!

32 Shug  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:54:34pm

re: #20 Dr. Shalit

They are too busy with Man United to notice that their country is wilting right before their eyes.

not that most americans are any better

33 solomonpanting  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:54:50pm

re: #25 Cognito

Not cool.

The aim is to be better, not the same.


The aim will be better, with practice.

(Yankin' yer chain)

34 sonofsheldon  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:55:02pm

In other news that will come as a surprise to nobody, British officials will find a way to discount these poll results and sweep them under the rug. After all, these poll results are clearly Islamophobic and will lead to Brits having a negative view of Islam. Not that it matters, since British officials are doing their best to force their citizenry to either convert or live as dhimmis.

Time to arrest the report's authors.

35 Pshawalaw  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:55:03pm

I have a problem with Islam being called a religion. Clearly it is a homicidal cult, not a religion.

36 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:55:39pm
37 Cognito  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:55:55pm

From the ellipses'd portion:


The report was criticised by the country’s largest Muslim student body, Fosis, but Anthony Glees, professor of security and intelligence studies at Buckingham University, said: “The finding that a large number of students think it is okay to kill in the name of religion is alarming.

“There is a wide cultural divide between Muslim and nonMuslim students. The solution is to stop talking about celebrating diversity and focus on integration and assimilation.”

Quite an assertion. I'll be curious to see what comes of it.

38 Cognito[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:56:28pm
39 Pastorius  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:56:45pm

This isn't a surprise. I seem to recall another survey three years ago which showed that 40% of those British Muslims (under 30) were in favor of Sharia law.

40 pegcity  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:57:05pm

Once they hit 10% of the population, well lets just say im glad i don't live in England, cause once people start fleeing it won't be too long till they make up 50+% and if you don't believe me look at wonderful Lebanon.

41 Pshawalaw  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:57:38pm

re: #37 Cognito

The solution is to stop talking about celebrating diversity and focus on integration and assimilation

Hallelujah, common sense is not dead afterall.

42 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:57:58pm
43 Pastorius  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:58:48pm

40% of Muslims in Britain want Sharia law - from the Telegraph.

[Link: 209.85.141.104...]

44 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:59:03pm
45 LoFlyer  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 5:59:37pm

The UK has refused to investigate radical Mosques and Imaams preaching death and destruction to Infidels. The US has the same policy but fortunately we have a lot less radicals than the UK.

46 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:00:14pm
47 Shay4l  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:00:56pm

re: #42 ploome hineni


If you're in a room with 9 other people, and 3 of them want to kill the other 7 of you, you should just let them slay you, because "you're better than them."

48 solomonpanting  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:00:56pm

re: #43 Pastorius

40% of Muslims in Britain want Sharia law - from the Telegraph.


That's fine. I hear Saudi Arabia fits the bill.

49 David IV of Georgia[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:01:13pm
50 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:01:16pm

re: #26 ploome hineni

Ploomie -

GOOD GETUN - And let CAIR keep spending money on Legal Counsel against someone who is their "size" - as they create lawsuits against people without two nickels to rub together.

-S-

51 Cognito  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:01:35pm

re: #42 ploome hineni

lol

whatever it takes cog..what do you suggest?

I suggest something other than wholesale murder, for starters.

Integration and assimilation, as the good Professor Glees said. And if that fails, then something else.

But if you're stuck on the notion that the only way to go is killing a third on principle... well. Watch out for the people helping you. Because next time you'll be in the 'third.'

52 GregInSeattle  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:01:47pm

Lets not suggest killing anyone. The world watches, looking for kooky right wing comments like those. Lets pray the Muslims of Europe eventual assimilate and adopt Western values like freedom of speech and religion. Civil War would be ugly- very ugly.

53 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:02:00pm
54 troonbop  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:02:28pm

"The solution is to stop talking about celebrating diversity and focus on integration and assimilation.”

What a great idea! And people have been screaming it at you for decades! Sigh. Too bad they were those nasty rightwingers that one should never listen to...until it's too late.

55 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:02:34pm

re: #38 Cognito

I'd go for deport.after a fair hearing.(it's ok to kill for YOUR or ANY religion?byebye

56 Cognito  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:02:39pm

And here we go.

Another 'worst-of' night on LGF.

57 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:02:53pm
58 ratherdashing  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:03:13pm

What you'll get is Muslims saying they support killing in self-defense or if the religion is "attacked." They'll try to knock down the number of killer-minded Muslims.

More importantly, the report says 1/3 of Muslim students support a world-wide caliphate or Muslim state. You can't massage that number. That's a clear yes or no question.

59 USA  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:03:56pm

Iran now operating 6,000 centrifuges for uranium enrichment
link

60 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:03:57pm
61 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:04:04pm

Think first, then type.

62 Cognito  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:04:33pm

re: #57 ploome hineni

do you realize COgnito is suggesting genocide?

No, Ploome. I'm not. I'm arguing against it, as suggested by someone else.

63 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:04:38pm
64 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:05:01pm
65 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:05:09pm

re: #45 LoFlyer

The UK has refused to investigate radical Mosques and Imaams preaching death and destruction to Infidels. The US has the same policy but fortunately we have a lot less radicals than the UK.

"Lo" -

The US has the Second Amendment - Tends to Keep THE LOONIES on THE PATH! (Apologies to Pink Floyd).

-S-

66 Shug  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:05:14pm

re: #64 ploome hineni

nobody did

67 George guy  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:05:14pm

Not as many as I thought.

Draw them out with cartoons.

68 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:05:34pm

re: #51 Cognito

Integration and assimilation, as the good Professor Glees said

I wonder if anyone bothered to ask the "good professor" weather he means that Muslims should assimilate to their Western environes, or if Britain should assimilate Muslim law/ values/ culture

69 USA  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:05:42pm

re: #63 ploome hineni

I don't think so.

70 Shug  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:05:47pm

re: #67 George guy

Not as many as I thought.

Draw them out with cartoons.

and pictures of dogs

71 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:06:03pm

Let's make this thread a do over.

72 Crimsonfisted  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:06:04pm

re: #67 George guy

Not as many as I thought.

Draw them out with cartoons.

haha. Draw them out.... good one.

73 Cognito  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:06:07pm

re: #64 ploome hineni

who suggested it?

please show the post

No need. It received the treatment it deserved, and is deleted.

74 Opilio  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:06:24pm

re: #64 ploome hineni

who suggested it?

please show the post

Perhaps #10 ?

75 Cognito  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:06:33pm

re: #66 Shug

nobody did

Yes, someone did.

76 ratherdashing  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:07:02pm

re: #66 Shug

It was post #10. It was deleted.

77 Shug  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:07:12pm

re: #75 Cognito

you are correct

78 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:07:16pm

re: #66 Shug

actually, POST # 10 (now deleted ) did

79 Cognito  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:07:21pm

re: #67 George guy


Draw them out with cartoons.

That may be the finest pun I've seen in a long time.

Was it on purpose?

Bravo.

80 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:07:28pm
81 Van Helsing  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:07:29pm

Why do the Brits still allow such a high level of immigration when they are already struggling with unemployment and the number of citizens on the dole?

Is it an EU mandate? I just don't get it.

82 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:08:05pm

re: #75 Cognito

could you please answer my #68?

83 Geepers  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:08:18pm

Hey ratherdashing!

How's tricks?

84 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:08:21pm
85 pegcity  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:08:50pm

re: #81 Van Helsing

Because Nu Labor is insane and wants to run the country into the ground so everyone is dependent on them to survive.

86 solomonpanting  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:09:05pm

re: #84 ploome hineni

well, I did not read/see it

I did not read up the thread

'Twas me and it was rightly deleted.

87 ratherdashing  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:09:43pm

re: #83 Geepers

Tricks are good! Or, is it "Trix are for kids" ?

88 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:09:46pm
89 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:10:16pm
90 Sharmuta  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:10:41pm

Wow- what a total disconnect going on- it's fascinating to watch.

91 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:10:49pm
92 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:10:53pm

re: #81 Van Helsing

Much of their native population is unwilling to work so they have to import people actually willing to work. They lose a lot of skilled labor (doctors, scientists, etc) to America and Australia where they can work in the private sector instead of being government employees.

93 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:11:06pm

re: #68 sattv4u2

Integration and assimilation, as the good Professor Glees said

I wonder if anyone bothered to ask the "good professor" weather he means that Muslims should assimilate to their Western environes, or if Britain should assimilate Muslim law/ values/ culture

"satt" -

If there is any doubt, lets go like this - For any who wish to live under sha'aria in the UK rather than the Common Law of England, and identify themselves as such, A DEPORTATION ORDER and ONE WAY TICKET. That is all.

-S-

94 ratherdashing  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:11:13pm

re: #91 ploome hineni

:)

95 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:11:21pm
96 George guy  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:11:39pm

It actually said two in five, not a third, so this is really consistent with previous polls in all kinds of Muslim populations.

97 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:12:09pm

I think it is fine for immigrants to keep the trappings of their former country and to speak their former language. They, however, need to also be well acquainted with their new culture and its language. If they want to cling to their former country and way of life to the detriment of their new country, if they will not integrate and assimilate, if they insist that their new host country pander to their idiosyncrasies, they should have their visa/residency revoked and be "asked" to leave. That they are refugees or asylum seekers should not matter—join us or leave us. We're happy to have them all, if they don't spit on us.

98 stevieray  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:12:13pm

re: #81 Van Helsing

Why do the Brits still allow such a high level of immigration when they are already struggling with unemployment and the number of citizens on the dole?

Is it an EU mandate? I just don't get it.

"The Brits" don't allow it... their government does. Surveys going back to the 70's show Brits want immigration curbed, usually by 2 to 1 margins. But like here in the states, as soon as someone begins lobbying for immigration restraints, the cries of "racism" ring out, and the movement dies.

99 George guy  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:12:20pm

Oh, wait a minute: two in five support Sharia, a third support violent jihad. Nevermind.

100 Van Helsing  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:12:33pm

re: #85 pegcity

Well it seems to be the one thing that is working for them. Do they not understand that they will end up destroying their economy and then regardless of who is in power that the free stuff will end?

101 Shug  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:13:02pm

the Centre for Social Cohesion

The fact that this centre even exists is the f'ing problem

102 Shug  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:13:36pm

re: #99 George guy

Oh, wait a minute: two in five support Sharia, a third support violent jihad. Nevermind.

3 in 5 are lying

and 2 in 3 are lying

103 ratherdashing  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:13:51pm

re: #93 Dr. Shalit

I think that is the "caliphate" question. These students are openly (in a poll at least) expressing their desire to live under Islamic law and not British Law. They want the replacement of British Law with koranic interpretations. If this isn't subversion, then what is?

104 grumpy old codger  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:14:20pm

re: #23 Shug
You ought to see all the "good" moslems in Iraq and Afghanistan on Man-Boy Thursdays.

105 pegcity  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:14:29pm

re: #100 Van Helsing

end up?

Have you seen the numbers, they are fuct.

106 Cognito  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:14:35pm

re: #68 sattv4u2

Integration and assimilation, as the good Professor Glees said

I wonder if anyone bothered to ask the "good professor" weather he means that Muslims should assimilate to their Western environes, or if Britain should assimilate Muslim law/ values/ culture

It's pretty clear he means into British culture.

107 Shay4l  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:14:46pm

I was going to wish Islam could reform, but then I realized returning them to their roots seems to be just as violent and dangerous as their current state.

108 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:14:50pm

re: #96 George guy

Killing for religion is justified, say third of Muslim students


Although 53 per cent said that killing in the name of religion was never justified, compared with 94 per cent of non-Muslims, 32 per cent said that it was. Of these, 4 per cent said killing could be justified to "promote or preserve" religion, while 28 per cent said it was acceptable if that religion were under attack.

They are interviewing students so the numbers are slightly different than previous polls. Younger Muslims are far more radical than their elders.

109 Sharmuta  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:14:50pm

re: #95 ploome hineni

No ploome- I'm not disconnecting. But I am fascinated watching people oblivious to their erecting of strawmen. Carry on.

110 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:14:56pm
111 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:15:24pm

re: #57 ploome hineni

do you realize COgnito is suggesting genocide?

I Wasn't Serious. It was a jest. Genocide or "mere" mass-murder is an abhorrent evil, not matter what the cause or purpose.

112 grumpy old codger  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:15:34pm

re: #28 solomonpanting

Whatever. Just as long as nobody is smoking.

well, smoking tobacco, that is.

113 Van Helsing  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:15:58pm

re: #92 Killgore Trout

Much of their native population is unwilling to work so they have to import people actually willing to work. They lose a lot of skilled labor (doctors, scientists, etc) to America and Australia where they can work in the private sector instead of being government employees.

That makes a perverse sort of sense. With the public benefits that are available, you're right. Why work? What a great de-motivator.

And when they no longer have Ants to support the Grasshoppers?

114 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:16:02pm
115 ajackson  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:18:19pm

I expect the local police will soon be paying a visit to the authors of the study. Political incorrectness is a fairly serious offense in Britain these days.

116 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:18:57pm
117 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:18:58pm

re: #106 Cognito

this is the professors entire quote

"“There is a wide cultural divide between Muslim and nonMuslim students. The solution is to stop talking about celebrating diversity and focus on integration and assimilation.”

please show me where it is "clear'. Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying he IS calling for Britain to assimilate muslim culture and law. i'm saying that it COULD mean that, and with the state of academia today both here and in GB, it's not far fetched

118 Sharmuta  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:20:10pm

Serial blasts in Ahmedabad, 29 killed

On Saturday evening, Ahmedabad was rocked by 17 precisely planned blasts in crowded markets, bus stands, residential areas and hospitals, leaving 29 dead and 88 injured, some of them seriously.

When polled, 1/3 of UK muslims students approved.

119 BBev  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:20:30pm

re: #100 Van Helsing

Well it seems to be the one thing that is working for them. Do they not understand that they will end up destroying their economy and then regardless of who is in power that the free stuff will end?

When an Ideal is doing the slow creep on global domination in the end do they really care about the free stuff or global domination?

120 Amy  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:20:56pm

Islam: the indigestible lump in the body politic of the free world.

121 Shay4l  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:20:58pm

Sorry for the OT, but I was just wondering if Nobama felt the slightest bit embarrassed that the only thing he could say in a native language while on his tour was Merci beaucoup, or would the irony of that thought have made his head explode?

122 Geepers  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:21:09pm

And what says the UN:

Treat Muslims better, Britain told by UN

Britain has been told by the United Nations to challenge negative public views towards the Muslim community.

Maybe they should stop publishing polls showing their muslim population wants to murder them.

The nine-member human rights committee composed of legal experts, said it was concerned "negative public attitudes towards Muslim members of society" continued to be allowed in Britain.

Yes, we can't allow that now can we?

123 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:22:08pm
124 Cognito  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:22:12pm

re: #117 sattv4u2

this is the professors entire quote

"“There is a wide cultural divide between Muslim and nonMuslim students. The solution is to stop talking about celebrating diversity and focus on integration and assimilation.”

please show me where it is "clear'. Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying he IS calling for Britain to assimilate muslim culture and law. i'm saying that it COULD mean that, and with the state of academia today both here and in GB, it's not far fetched

No. That's not his entire quote. His entire quote, and a bit of context, is here:


The report was criticised by the country’s largest Muslim student body, Fosis, but Anthony Glees, professor of security and intelligence studies at Buckingham University, said: “The finding that a large number of students think it is okay to kill in the name of religion is alarming.

“There is a wide cultural divide between Muslim and nonMuslim students. The solution is to stop talking about celebrating diversity and focus on integration and assimilation.”

He's clearly arguing that people should be alarmed by this pattern in Muslim student thinking, and suggesting a way to change that thinking.

If you insist otherwise, so be it.

125 mossley  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:22:15pm

Call me a cynic, but I think it's one-third willing to admit they think this way.

126 Silhouette  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:22:59pm

re: #100 Van Helsing

Do they not understand that they will end up destroying their economy and then regardless of who is in power that the free stuff will end?

That is exactly what they do not understand.

From university LLL dreaming of taxing our way to solve world hunger and "like, peace and stuff" to dyed-in-the-wool union guys believing that the business owners are the bad guys keeping them down to self-defined victims who think life's impossible to succeed at and no one has ever had an obstacle to overcome but them, they all do and support exactly the policies that hurt them the most.

127 pat  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:23:07pm

No surprise here. In Italt Berlusconi was mailed a bullet along with the usual Allah babble.
[Link: islamineurope.blogspot.com...]

128 LoFlyer  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:23:08pm

re: #63 ploome hineni

I think you can file that along with the pictures of the toy planes

they are lying

Prove it! No offense, but Iran has shown no sign of reducing their nuclear enrichment program..

129 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:23:36pm
130 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:24:07pm

re: #106 Cognito

This is the type of thinking that got Germany (and then the world) in trouble in the mid to late 30's

'When they came for the Jews, I said nothing, because I wasn't Jewish. Then they came for the gypsies, but I wasn't a gypsie, so I said nothing. When they finally came for me, there was nobody left to say anything!"

131 grumpy old codger  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:24:14pm

re: #122 Geepers

What the UN is saying is that dhimmis should act like dhimmis. Period. After all, the evil white man has caused all of the world's problems, so it's time to atone by public breast-beating, adoption of PC codes, etc..

132 kevinmumaw  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:24:20pm

Seems that the US does not also lost another dominant position in the world, College Idiots.

133 Cognito  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:24:40pm

re: #130 sattv4u2

What does that have to do with what the professor said? At all?

134 Van Helsing  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:24:49pm

re: #119 BBev

No. No, I don't imagine they do. They are patient enough and canny enough to use the host's own system to subvert it and remake to their liking.

Damn. I think I just described a virus.

It's a great method, too. Attempts to stop it are meant with 'help, I'm being repressed!'.

Crap.

135 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:25:22pm
136 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:26:42pm

re: #123 taxfreekiller

Fox News today.

"Islamic Honor Killings in America."

sick

I read that. It was posted on the front page of the FoxNews website. Perhaps some people will realize that Islam is not quite the Religion of Peace™ it is made out to be.

137 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:27:13pm

re: #133 Cognito

What does that have to do with what the professor said? At all?

he, and many like him are willing to do NOTHING. Wow, he was "alarmed". What did he do after that? Go back to his study, put on his tweed jacket, light his pipe and open the Koran so he could better "understand" these "youtes" ?

138 pat  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:27:41pm

re: #135 taxfreekiller

They hide the truth of Illegals felony arrests. 28% of Federal inmates. ^ times that of national average. A fucking crime wave. Because they get amnesty in Mexico.

139 Geepers  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:28:38pm

ajackson (#115),

I expect the local police will soon be paying a visit to the authors of the study. Political incorrectness is a fairly serious offense in Britain these days.

Yes.

From my link at #122:

It recommended the Government "should take energetic measures to eliminated this phenomenon and ensure that authors of such acts of discrimination on the basis of religion are adequately deterred and sanctioned."

Off to the re-education camps for them.

140 USA  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:28:41pm

Anyone ordering Domino's tonight?

141 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:29:05pm

re: #133 Cognito

the professor was "alarmed'. How many Muslim minds do you think he changed because he is "alarmed'. Do you think he'll confront students with his "alarm"?

142 Shay4l  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:29:13pm

Punished how?

143 Cognito  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:29:59pm

re: #137 sattv4u2

he, and many like him are willing to do NOTHING. Wow, he was "alarmed". What did he do after that? Go back to his study, put on his tweed jacket, light his pipe and open the Koran so he could better "understand" these "youtes" ?

Seems to me that you're writing fiction now. Tweed jacket? Pipe? You've hardly missed a cliche.

The professor said, "The solution is to stop talking about celebrating diversity and focus on integration and assimilation." That's a bold statement.

What would you have preferred?

And please. Don't trot out the Niemoller poem like that. You only reduce it to yet another cliche.

144 RubyTuesday  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:30:25pm

Sorry if this has been asked in a previous post, but I want a similar poll taken in the US. I live in a college town with a large Muslim student population, and I'm very curious about their views, although secretly I believe if they were told to "act" - they would.

145 pat  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:30:44pm

Of course the younger are more blood thirsty. They have never faced the deprivations of the home country except for holiday. And learn everywhere that everything in the world was stolen from Muslims by white people.

146 theparson  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:31:08pm

I stop Mexican drivers every week that can't speak English. They present a Mexican DL as their only ID. They even have their Texas address on their Mexican DL! Think the border is porous?

147 ratherdashing  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:31:10pm
Wes Streeting, president of the National Union of Students, condemned the study. “This disgusting report is a reflection of the biases and prejudices of a right-wing think tank – not the views of Muslim students across Britain,” he said. “Only 632 Muslim students were asked vague and misleading questions, and their answers were wilfully misinterpreted.”


I wish the question bank was released when these "polls" come out. Why not a referral to the web site for the list of questions? We can spot bias ourselves. We are big boys and girls.

148 grumpy old codger  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:31:26pm

re: #137 sattv4u2

he, and many like him are willing to do NOTHING. Wow, he was "alarmed". What did he do after that? Go back to his study, put on his tweed jacket, light his pipe and open the Koran so he could better "understand" these "youtes" ?


No, he'd probably go back to his gated community, put on his non-organic clothing (tweed violates the rigths of sheep, you know), smoke (?) well not tobacco, that's evil, carcinogenic, Carbon producing, etc., read the koran, well maybe in an unauthorized nonArabic version, with explanations by CAIR. And after resting up, he go out to protest some US policy.

149 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:31:48pm

re: #144 RubyTuesday

Numbers among young American Muslims would be considerably lower but still not very good.

150 USA  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:31:53pm

re: #144 RubyTuesday

Sorry if this has been asked in a previous post, but I want a similar poll taken in the US. I live in a college town with a large Muslim student population, and I'm very curious about their views, although secretly I believe if they were told to "act" - they would.

No poll needed. You know the answer.

151 Silhouette  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:32:10pm

re: #122 Geepers

So, the UN doesn't have a problem with the Muslims that want to kill non-Muslims. Their beef is with thinking badly of Muslims.

152 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:32:21pm
153 BBev  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:33:28pm

re: #134 Van Helsing

No. No, I don't imagine they do. They are patient enough and canny enough to use the host's own system to subvert it and remake to their liking.

Damn. I think I just described a virus.

It's a great method, too. Attempts to stop it are meant with 'help, I'm being repressed!'.

Crap.

Now you've got it. It is a virus and it is spreading and like a human body sometimes it grows to big before the body starts fight back

154 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:33:37pm

OT: Video: Penn & Teller versus … creationism


With due thanks and praise to the Lizard King, I give you the ultimate lazy-Saturday flame-war starter. If this thread doesn’t do a thousand comments then the terrorists have already won.

AP is a good egg.

155 Cognito  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:34:08pm

re: #148 grumpy old codger

No, he'd probably go back to his gated community, put on his non-organic clothing (tweed violates the rigths of sheep, you know), smoke (?) well not tobacco, that's evil, carcinogenic, Carbon producing, etc., read the koran, well maybe in an unauthorized nonArabic version, with explanations by CAIR. And after resting up, he go out to protest some US policy.

What are you banging on about?

The professor in this story makes perfect sense. He's a good guy. Do you just make your assumptions -- 'non-organic clothing' and 'not tobacco' and 'CAIR' and 'protest some US policy' -- just because he's a teacher?

156 bosforus  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:34:27pm
One Third of UK Muslim Students OK with Killing for Islam

Wonder if DouDou takes that into account while deciding if America is Islamophobic.

157 Dustyvet  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:34:42pm

re: #16 Shug

They argued that the number is actually closer to 70%


The United Kingdom needs to start addressing this issue, and damn soon.

158 grumpy old codger  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:35:24pm

re: #155 Cognito

No, because I'm an ex-academic who has seen a lot of this the "US is wrong, western civilization is a crime" sort of BS.

159 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:35:41pm

Hot Air comment....

As a side note, has anyone else noticed that LGF should more properly be called EGF (Evolutionary Green Footballs) these days? Hey Charles, we get it. Thanx.


Heh.

160 Cognito  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:36:12pm

re: #158 grumpy old codger

No, because I'm an ex-academic who has seen a lot of this the "US is wrong, western civilization is a crime" sort of BS.

Well then you've not reading very closely. Because this professor says nothing of the sort. To the contrary, he says it's time for more western civilization.

161 grumpy old codger  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:36:35pm

re: #160 Cognito
Fine.

162 bosforus  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:37:13pm

re: #159 Killgore Trout

Hot Air comment....

Heh.

Methinks there's a dissenter at Hot Air.

163 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:37:24pm

re: #143 Cognito

good google skills. I "trotted it out" because its aprapos. What I would prefer is to confront Muslim leaders (read Imam W. Deen Mohammed amongst others) with world (read west) and non mulsim religious (read Pope Benedict XVI, Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew, Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, Dalai Lama,Billy Graham as well as Jewish leaders) to have an OPEN meeting and dialog about the threat of RADICAL Muslims

164 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:37:37pm
165 jaunte  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:37:59pm

re: #159 Killgore Trout

I see some people at HotAir still haven't gotten over not being able to post here.

166 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:39:20pm

re: #165 jaunte

Yeah, Kinda funny kinda sad. I've lost some good friends in this debate but life goes on.

167 willowone  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:39:25pm

mealnie phillips also does a series on this topic, well done with statistics

168 Cognito  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:40:50pm

re: #164 taxfreekiller

Coginto,

Here is a littlegreenfootball cliche, any time Cognito comments its to defend the no good liars of the msm who are enabling the loon commie Democrats to over throw our constitution, enabling the Mexican drug cartels to invade our country illegally and kill any one they want and flee back to Mexico and never receive the punishment they deserve, they enable these Islamics to practice the honor killings of their own children and never, never tell the truth of what evil it is..

Service to evil is all they now do, daily in bold print.

You're a treat, taxfreekiller. Not everyone can be pack so much wrong into one fantastically long sentence.

169 jaunte  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:41:33pm

re: #168 Cognito

Pick one wrong thing from the sentence.

170 solomonpanting  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:42:05pm

ploome hineni


Hi. I'm between here and helping my wife move funiture for cleaning purposes.

171 grumpy old codger  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:43:09pm

re: #170 solomonpanting
now if you were a moslem you could have all your wives move the furniture and jusat sit back and relax

172 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:43:19pm
173 BBev  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:43:23pm

re: #166 Killgore Trout

Yeah, Kinda funny kinda sad. I've lost some good friends in this debate but life goes on.

I'm still here.

174 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:43:47pm

re: #103 ratherdashing

I think that is the "caliphate" question. These students are openly (in a poll at least) expressing their desire to live under Islamic law and not British Law. They want the replacement of British Law with koranic interpretations. If this isn't subversion, then what is?

"r-d" -

Exactly - and to state the case further - I am from "Hebrew Stock." We observe our customs, including arbitration by Rabbinic Courts. We expect and get tolerance. We also:

1. DO NOT wish the Overthrow of the US Government.

2. DO NOT expect or wish the Imposition of "Halachic Law" on the US.

That is the BOTTOM LINE DIFFERENCE - Why Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, and Bhuddism can easily co-exist in a generally secular state.
To take the Christian, and most easily understood take on this, "the coin" is Caesar's and is to be given to Caesar. What is G-d's is G-d's.
If/when ISLAM understands this they they too are welcome to the club.

-S-

175 Shay4l  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:44:48pm

LOL!

Searched coginto on Live Search

176 Dale in Atlanta  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:44:50pm

Speaking of your new Messiah: Barack HUSSEIN Obama (PBUH)(SWT)(SAW):

Another inconvenient Muslim relative turned up today, a Brother:
[Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]

And, here's an interesting story from today's UK Telegraph, where in the very first sentence, it says the Obama's do not give "Christmas" nor "Birthday" presents to their children?

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

Interesting, isn't it?

What kind of "Christians" ban Christmas presents to their children?

I know, I know, Jehovah Witnesses, correct? Do you have evidence that Obama and family, suddenly converted to The Watch Tower group?

Huh?

Obviously, Jews don't celebrate Christmas, but I doubt that's the Obama's excuse, especially since they've belonged to a patentedly Anti-Semitic "Church" for 20+ years!

There is one other "group" in America however, that neither celebrates Christmas nor Birthdays, but which has approved the giving of "Seasonal Gifts"; which is what the Obama's now do; read about it here:

[Link: www.masnet.org...]

Interesting, isn't it?

Can you say: "Taqiyah"? [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]


Which is worse? Willful Ignorance or Stupidity?

177 willowone  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:45:14pm

or to obey the law of the land you are in.

178 Cognito  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:45:15pm

re: #169 jaunte

Pick one wrong thing from the sentence.

Well, its whole premise:

any time Cognito comments its to defend the no good liars of the msm who...

That's a bold claim, especially on a thread where I did exactly not that.

179 solomonpanting  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:46:13pm

re: #171 grumpy old codger

now if you were a moslem you could have all your wives move the furniture and jusat sit back and relax


I'd be wary of them conspiring to kill me:
"I'll do it."
"No, I'll do it. It would be an honor."

180 ratherdashing  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:47:04pm

re: #175 Shay4l

... and what did you find that was funny?

181 jaunte  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:47:33pm

re: #178 Cognito

Is it untrue to say you have a tendency to defend the work of the msm in general, when others are compaining bout that work?

182 godfrey  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:47:56pm

re: #167 willowone

Melanie Phillips packs more truth into 8:14 than the MSM does in a year.

183 jaunte  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:47:56pm

Complaining, in a pained way...

184 Cognito  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:48:07pm

re: #181 jaunte

Is it untrue to say you have a tendency to defend the work of the msm in general, when others are compaining bout that work?

Who knows. That's not what taxfreekiller said, though.

185 willowone  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:48:20pm

re: #179 solomonpanting

186 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:48:47pm

re: #173 BBev

Thanks for sticking around.

187 willowone  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:49:13pm

re: #182 godfrey

godfrey she does indeed, i have only learned of her in last months but i admire her greatly, well informed intelligent discourse.

188 willowone  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:50:17pm

ouch solomon panting, i lost text, my question was whats in it for the mother, wife or muslim woman, in life or death as a martyr

189 Seraphym  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:51:59pm

Doh, not quick enough on the draw!

I posted this exact link in the Spinoffs in the thread on Hamas hunting down Fatah - with a very similar title - but I hadn't refreshed the front page in over 20 minutes at that point.

I know, if the great and fearsome Lizard sees it himself first, versus it being brought to attention by a worthy underling, los sombreros no se muevan.

I'll work on my sight-acquire-fire reaction time.

190 grumpy old codger  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:52:33pm

re: #179 solomonpanting

I'd be wary of them conspiring to kill me:
"I'll do it."
"No, I'll do it. It would be an honor."


To my mind, I can almost understand why they're pissed off. I've got one wife. Imagine being hen pecked by more!

191 BBev  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:55:03pm

re: #186 Killgore Trout

Thanks for sticking around.

It got rough there for a bit but I'm in construction and as the boss just about everything has been said to and about me and you have your own beliefs that I respect also.

192 solomonpanting  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 6:57:27pm

re: #188 willowone

ouch solomon panting, i lost text, my question was whats in it for the mother, wife or muslim woman, in life or death as a martyr

In death, I'm not sure.
In life, freedom and liberation.

193 solomonpanting  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 7:01:38pm

re: #190 grumpy old codger

To my mind, I can almost understand why they're pissed off. I've got one wife. Imagine being hen pecked by more!

One wife is enough for me, thank you very much. Imagine a polygamous situation where multiple wives file for divorce simultaneously. The legal obligations would be staggering!

194 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 7:04:08pm
195 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 7:06:00pm
196 paybacktime  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 7:06:17pm

re: #15 ploome hineni

Or anti Hindu, anti Buddhist.

197 wiffersnapper  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 7:11:08pm

where are these so called moderate muslims?

198 grumpy old codger  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 7:13:39pm

re: #197 wiffersnapper

Sharpening their knives.

199 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 7:14:06pm

re: #166 Killgore Trout

Yeah, Kinda funny kinda sad. I've lost some good friends in this debate but life goes on.

And haven't you made any new friends?

200 solomonpanting  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 7:14:22pm

re: #195 ploome hineni

but muslim men have no problem

their women are disposable.and they do not usually file for divorce.they have nowhere to go, no income, no job skills

and lastly, if they don;t behave

they get killed


I was commenting more from a non-Muslim POV.
Good thing I'm not Muslim. Better yet, good thing I'm not a Muslim woman.

201 paybacktime  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 7:18:53pm

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions and accommodation of islamofascism.

202 ciaospirit  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 7:22:35pm

re: #26 ploome hineni

She also said no evidence was presented to show that advertising on the show's broadcast was affected by CAIR's actions.

How the hell did that happen when CAIR posted and bragged on their website each time they got an advertiser to drop Savage's show?

203 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 7:24:13pm
204 vapig  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 7:29:44pm

re: #202 ciaospirit

Hello? San Francisco Judge....

205 Gretchen  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 8:15:32pm

Well clearly it is poverty and inequality in education that makes people (even nice Muslims) hate and kill. These British university students need increased aide because they must be poor and uneducated. More government funding for Muslims and soon they will all love the rest of us - even the Jews. Really, it works every time.

Or just elect Barak and they will see that we are super-duper nice and stop all this killing us nonsense. ;-). Just like on the old 1970's Coke commercial - we'll sing as one and stuff. I can't wait, it will be so happy and FUN.

(There are actually people who believe this crap.)

206 excel  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 8:31:21pm

re the poll: should we take this to mean that one third were dumb enough to admit that this is what they believe? or was it already taken into consideration in the methodology that some who believe it will lie about it to a pollster?

207 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 8:33:34pm
208 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 8:37:13pm
209 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 8:38:15pm
210 Syrah  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 9:02:20pm

re: #14 LoFlyer

My prediction is that the UK either has to assimilate Muslim population to western values or fight a bloody civil war 10 or 20 years down the road. Every Euro nation loves to dis America but we are the only country successfully assimilating the Muslims. Europeans have historically been racist and intolerant of other religions. Why is the US assimilating and the UK isn't?

Can we be that confident that US Muslims would not respond in the same way on the same survey?

211 JSK1121  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 9:09:36pm

re: #40 pegcity

Once they hit 10% of the population, well lets just say im glad i don't live in England, cause once people start fleeing it won't be too long till they make up 50+% and if you don't believe me look at wonderful Lebanon.

Or Kosovo, Sudan, Kashmir, etc.

212 elrushbuni  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 9:10:08pm

Next, it will be the same as in the Phillippines. ....give them a state and when that happens they will tell all the bishops to convert or pay jizya. Bend over Brits.

213 anotherindyfilmguy  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 9:16:38pm

re: #125 mossley

Call me a cynic, but I think it's one-third willing to admit they think this way.

That's not being cynical... after all their cult's rulebook states they can lie to the infidel to deceive and defeat them... personally I think one third of those surveyed simply failed the IQ test before them...

214 Syrah  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 9:27:03pm

re: #63 ploome hineni

I think you can file that along with the pictures of the toy planes

they are lying

Lets play a game. . .

You are a cop.

A perp has what looks like a gun and it is pointed at you .

He tells you it is a real gun.

He tells you he wants you dead.

He tells you that he is going to pull the trigger.

You . . . do what?

215 Mr Krabs  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 9:35:32pm

Funny how you never hear of similar polls of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists etc. Do they only ask Muslims if they approve of killing? Can't imagine why that would be.

216 Syrah  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 9:44:16pm

re: #197 wiffersnapper

where are these so called moderate muslims?

The more important question might be "What IS a moderate Muslim?"

217 Captain Morgan  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 9:53:58pm

Someone might have already said this, but I like the fact that the article says "Almost a third", even though 2/5 is actually 40%, which is not only more than a third -- not "almost" -- but can legitimately be said "almost half".

218 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 9:54:04pm

re: #214 Syrah

In my case his was a clunky beat up .22. Mine was a .38 with live ammo. Officer who looked at the perps gun before the CSI got there said the .22 was not loaded. No wonder the perp had that surprised look on his face. P****d me off to be insulted like that.

219 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 9:55:17pm
220 Syrah  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 9:59:58pm

re: #218 FamHistoryGuy

In my case his was a clunky beat up .22. Mine was a .38 with live ammo. Officer who looked at the perps gun before the CSI got there said the .22 was not loaded. No wonder the perp had that surprised look on his face. P****d me off to be insulted like that.

Sorry to hear that you had to do that.

Were/are you a cop or a civilian?

221 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 10:01:32pm

re: #219 taxfreekiller

TFK:

Were you around Savaneket or Pakse? Down by the Cambodian border?

I was in and out of VTE on a daily basis and up to BHS in the triangle for a couple of weeks. Lao AF aircraft armament systems support. Got about 120 hours of passenger time in Air America aircraft. This was in 67/68. RVN 69/70. Ubon 71. U_T 71, Ubon 72/73 for Mayaguez and Udorn for 74/75.

222 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 10:05:17pm

re: #220 Syrah

Convenience store manager in Houston in 91. He lived. CSI was a klutz that the beat cops knew. They made sure their reports were detailed enough to pick up anything he might have missed. Took near two years to actually get the perp in front of a judge.

223 docremulac  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 10:06:02pm

re: #216 Syrah

re: #197 wiffersnapper

where are these so called moderate muslims?

The more important question might be "What IS a moderate Muslim?"


One who cuts your head off quickly and mercifully.


I think I'm gonna get an armored Humvee and drive through downtown Islamabad passing out Bibles, booze and porno mags.

224 Syrah  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 10:07:49pm

re: #222 FamHistoryGuy

Convenience store manager in Houston in 91. He lived. CSI was a klutz that the beat cops knew. They made sure their reports were detailed enough to pick up anything he might have missed. Took near two years to actually get the perp in front of a judge.

It must have been an ordeal for you.

Justice delayed is no justice at all.

225 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 10:13:36pm

re: #224 Syrah

Mostly annoying about the delay. As a retired AF NCO with a lot of time in SEA, I had something of an attitude about people who point guns at me. Just had a short session with my NLP trainer about it and I was fine.

226 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 10:30:19pm
227 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 10:43:51pm

re: #226 taxfreekiller

In 71 at Ubon RTAFB, we were flying gravel and trees. The gravel was the little packets that blew up when stepped on or driven over. The trees were the sensors that picked up ground vibrations and truck ignition signals. The sensor was dropped from the F-4s and buried the sensor part in the ground. The antenna was designed to look like vegitation. Signals were picked up by orbiting C-130s and relayed to Igloo White at NKP where they were crunched and used for targeting. There was a tape floating around of a signal from a sensor that the NVA discovered and put in a signals shack as they did not know the sensor was still active. Some NVA grunt was taped putting the make on a female NVA/VC com specialist.

They could track a specific truck by it's ignition signature. A lot of truck parks got tagged by the T-28 and A-26 night interdiction crews. The O-1 night FACS had brass ones to fly low and slow at night over the trail to direct the slow and fast movers onto targets. Some of those NVA gunners were 9-levels at their trade.

228 Oingo Boingo  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 10:53:40pm

Well, using the reasoning of the moron's supporting slaughter in the name of their religion, they wouldn't be to upset if all pretense were tossed and they became "sport," if you will , in the name of some other religion. A Crusades that are more than just a wrongly-applied name.

After all, fair is fair and all that rot. Eh, wot?

229 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 10:55:50pm

re: #228 Oingo Boingo

Perhaps they should take lessons from what happened to the followers of Kali.

230 Manster  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 4:17:09am

Death cults usually are okay with killing.

231 Shemesh  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 4:53:32am

Here's the full survey:
[Link: www.socialcohesion.co.uk...]

Here's the 3 page executive summary:
[Link: www.socialcohesion.co.uk...]

232 quickjustice  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 5:35:54am

This outcome probably is the result of social pressure from their parents, peers, and teachers. That the Brits tolerate this makes it even more alarming, and they already are paying for their tolerance in fear, social unrest, and violent Muslim attacks on their society.

233 Jed  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:25:34am

I wonder what the results would be with a similar poll of Muslim students in America. I suspect that there wild be a significant number who would justify killing, as in Britain.

234 J'accuzzi  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:52:21am

I seem to be missing something. If you live in a clan based time warp six centuries behind everyone else where extremists reach for knives or guns to ensure correct interpretation of your holy book it would seem prudent to uphold their views when involved in a survey.

The great danger represented by the 40% is that there is every possibility that it represents a generation that is British born of mostly south Asian descent that is faced every day with the huge gulf between their place in the real world and the supremacy their frozen in place religion asserts is theirs. Even they must understand reality will prevail after a few generations.

235 NR Pax  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:04:30am
It found that extremist preachers regularly gave speeches that were inflammatory, homophobic or bordering on antisemitic.

It sounds like the Brits are starting to get some more moderate preachers in place if they are only bordering on antisemitism. Give it another century, and they'll grudgingly admit that non-Muslims are human too.

236 Egfrow  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:22:57am

The other 2/3rds of Students knew they were taking a survey and were practicing Taquiya.

237 nyc redneck  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:36:56am

i hope the british people are waking up, organizing, preparing,
silently readying themselves to defend their country.
obviously their gov't officials are shamelessly selling them out.

238 soccerdad  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:46:54am
The report was criticised by the country’s largest Muslim student body, Fosis,

..There's a shocker...

but Anthony Glees, professor of security and intelligence studies at Buckingham University, said: “The finding that a large number of students think it is okay to kill in the name of religion is alarming. ...

uhhh...ya think?

Wake up Britannia...it is not too late.

239 rhythman  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:49:45am

harrowing, sad, dangerous, very dangerous and spreading like fucking cancer.

240 mayweed  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 9:05:01am

For many years now, our political elite has been peddling the line that 'extremist' Muslims who support violence are only a tiny minority of the islamic population as a whole. I think we're all getting a pretty good idea now of just how 'tiny' this 'minority' actually is.

241 EE  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 9:41:52am

If we cannot call them "jihadists", and must think of them only as a few scattered individuals who, according to Obama, are unable to visualize pain, then we underestimate the threat, we underestimate the wide support that the actual killers of the jihad movement, the point men, have from people and from Islamic scripture, and we are handicapped in fighting them. Let's call a jihadi a jihadi, and not blind ourselves to what is going on. We need to take the mask off our eyes and see what the threat is.

242 barry the baptist  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 10:11:25am

Poll question in UK for Muslims:

Killing in the name of Islam is jusitfied:

Sharia law should be introduced within Englsih law code:

If any of the above 2 are answered 'yes' then interviewee is immediately arrested as is all family members, assets/bank accounts seized and then deported to home country.

As a caveat, I would also suggest a brief moment of 'anesthesia' and said subject be 'tagged' for surveillance purposes. Perhaps, during this procedure said subject(s) should also have a digestive poison capsule implanted that can be activated from afar so as to 'prohibit' further radicalization/subversion overseas.

That would be a more efficient use of UK taxpayer money as opposed to subsidizing the very elements that wish to do them harm.

Where is Edward 1st when you need him?

243 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 10:13:49am
244 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 10:15:37am
245 offendi  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 5:44:48pm

Wondering if Gordon Brown's wife got fitted with her burkha yet?

Missed whether the survey also asked if it was ok to marry a 9 year old girl too, like Mohammed married Aiesha.

246 rupert  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:46:01pm

I'm ok with smearing Muslims in bacon and pork products!

Show of hands?

247 Dread Cthulhu  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 9:13:21pm

offendi: "Missed whether the survey also asked if it was ok to marry a 9 year old girl too, like Mohammed married Aiesha."

Now, now... if you're going to go there, get it right...

The Prophet (PToooooie) married her at *six*, but in his infinite wisdom and mercy, *consummated* their marriage at nine, iirc.

248 tsionguy  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 9:24:12pm

"extremist preachers regularly gave speeches that were inflammatory, homophobic or bordering on antisemitic"
Why is it always "bordering" on antisemitism? Why can't they just call it antisemitism?

249 Land Shark  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 7:26:33am

One of the most frustrating things about Islam's war against non-Muslims to me is how clearly many Muslims voice support for Jihad and killing in the name of Islam yet so many useful idiots continue to parrot the fantasy that Islam is a religion of peace. On a virtually daily basis somewhere in the world Muslims kill Infidels and other Muslims while their apologists continue their endless hand wringing.

It helps that the MSM reports few if any of these attacks, otherwise Infidels might start to wise up. Even as it is, enough gets through that you would figure after a while more people would start to ask more impertinent questions about this violent and intolerant cult. Yet many will read the latest barbarity from Muslims and go back to sleep, so to speak, and tune in the latest idiot "reality" show confident it's "radicals" and "fundamentalists" and ignore the fact they just keep a 'coming and the so called moderate Muslims keep carrying on about how we shouldn't conclude Islam is violent. It reminds so much of Monty Python's Black Knight sketch in The Holy Grail.

"You stupid bastard, your arm's cut off!"

"No it isn't, it's only a flesh wound."

250 hellosnackbar  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 8:16:52am

Muslims in the UK are an unpopular minority with an unpopular high profile: They dress differently,they are interminably whining for special privilege,they seek to change our culture,they have been guilty of serious atrocities,and far from feeling shame about the latter have
reaffirmed their belief that murder is justified if it furthers the cause of Islam.
In short most brits (and that includes everybody who is non muslim) are starting to see muslims in the same way that Pat Condell sees them:ie."a fucking nuisance".
I believe that in a few years the unpoular minority will be forced to exercise a little more tolerance with respect to the"Kufar".
They piss everybody off! and that's dangerous for them as their sypathysers become less by the day.

251 Land Shark  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 8:57:21am

re: #250 hellosnackbar

I certainly hope the average British citizen is getting tired of being marginalized in his/her own country. And it isn't just the Muslims, their own government and it's mouthpiece, the Al-BBC, are doing everything possible to portray Muslims in a positive light while degrading England's culture and heritage. Can you believe the Beeb did a show about CHRISTIAN fundamentalists beheading a Muslim? Talk about turning reality completely upside down!

The British citizens need to vote those Labour useful idiots out of office ASAP!


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