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Totten: An Israeli in Kosovo

Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 8:38:41 pm PST

Another must-read piece from Michael Totten: An Israeli in Kosovo.

Imagine what would happen to a handful of Jewish veterans of the Israel Defense Forces who tried to move from Tel Aviv to an Arab country to open a bistro and bar. In only a few countries could they even get through the airport without being deported or, more likely, arrested. If they were somehow able to finagle a permit from the bureaucracy and operate openly as Israelis in an Arab capital, they wouldn’t last long. Somebody would almost certainly kill them even if the state left them alone.

Kosovo is a Muslim-majority country, but it isn’t Arab. The ethnic Albanians who make up around 90 percent of the population reject out of hand the vicious war-mongering anti-Semitism that still boils in the Middle East. Israelis can open a bistro and bar in Kosovo without someone coming to get them or even harassing them. Shachar Caspi, co-owner of the Odyssea Bistro and the Odyssea Bakery, proves it.

Caspi’s bistro is in the hip, bohemian, and stylish Pejton neighborhood in the city center of Kosovo’s capital Prishtina. A huge number of café bars that look expensive but are actually cheap make up the core of the area. The hyper-local economy in Pejton is apparently based on fashionably dressed young people selling espresso and alcoholic beverages to each other. If you ever visit Prishtina, book a hotel room in that neighborhood. ...

The Israeli contribution to the local food and drink scene isn’t a secret. I found Caspi’s establishment in the Bradt Guide which lists Odyssea as Israeli-owned. I knew already that Kosovo is friendlier to Israel than most countries in the world – especially compared with other Muslim-majority countries – but I was still slightly surprised to see this. It only takes one Islamist fanatic to blow up a bistro. And it would only take a small amount of the right kind of threatening pressure to drive Caspi, his business partners, and his employees out of town or at least underground. But nothing like this has happened.

“People know you are Israeli?” I said.

“Of course,” he said. “Of course. Everybody knows we are Israelis.”

“Nobody cares?” I said.

“On the contrary,” he said, “people like it. They come to speak to us. They want to be in contact. Here I didn’t see anybody that was negative. On the contrary the people are very warm, very nice. They take Islam to a beautiful place. Not a violent place. When they hear I am from Israel they react very warmly.”

Lots of Kosovar Albanians confirmed what Caspi is saying.

“Kosovars used to identify with the Palestinians because we Albanians are Muslims and Christians and we saw Serbia and Israel both as usurpers of land,“ a prominent Kosovar recent told journalist Stephen Schwartz. ”Then we looked at a map and woke up. Israelis have a population of six million, their backs to the sea, and 300 million Arab enemies. Albanians have a total population of eight million, our backs to the sea, and 200 million Slav enemies. So why should we identify with the Arabs?”

“Israelis are okay,” said a waiter named Afrim Kostrati at a cafe named Tirana. “The conflict is not our problem. We are Muslims, but not really. We have respect for Israelis because of the U.S. I have good friends from there.”

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#1 Sharmuta 8/04/08 8:40:20 pm 5

This is a must read. I dearly wish I had known some of this information the other night. Lizards- please read it all!

#2 Shug 8/04/08 8:42:29 pm 0
Then we looked at a map and woke up.

Quick : Maps to College Campuses STAT!

#3 Mars Needs Neocons 8/04/08 8:43:51 pm 0

This is just incredible.

#4 experiencedtraveller 8/04/08 8:44:34 pm 9

Islam is not monolithic.

#5 ggt 8/04/08 8:44:59 pm 0

Good Evening Lizards! The conditions on Lake Superior are calm and serene.

How are you-all this evening?

#6 Macker 8/04/08 8:46:29 pm 0

I sure hope that waiter has Fatwa Insurance....

#7 Yankee Division Son 8/04/08 8:46:59 pm 7

On this day in History, August 4th, 1944..

NETHERLANDS: Amsterdam: The Gestapo, acting on tip from a Dutch informer, captures 15-year-old Jewish diarist Anne Frank and her family in a sealed-off area of an Amsterdam warehouse at Prinsengracht 263; two of the Christians who had helped shelter them are also arrested. The Franks had taken shelter there in 1942 out of fear of deportation to a concentration camp. They occupied the small space with another Jewish family and a single Jewish man, and were aided by former Christian employees of Otto Frank and other Dutch friends who brought them food and supplies. Anne spent much of her time in the "secret annex" working on her diary which survived the war, overlooked by the Gestapo that discovered the hiding place. They are sent to a concentration camp in Holland, and in September Anne and most of the others are shipped to Auschwitz in Poland. In the fall of 1944, Anne and her sister Margot are moved to Bergen-Belsen in Germany; both sisters catch typhus and die in early March 1945, two months before the camp was liberated by British forces. Anne's father Otto Frank is the only one of the 10 to survive. After the war, he returns to Amsterdam via the Soviet Union, and is reunited with Miep Gies, one of his former employees who had helped shelter him. She handed him Anne's diary and in 1947, the diary is published by Otto in its original Dutch as "Diary of a Young Girl." (Jack McKillop)

#8 karmic_inquisitor 8/04/08 8:47:23 pm 4
“Israelis are okay,” said a waiter named Afrim Kostrati at a cafe named Tirana. “The conflict is not our problem. We are Muslims, but not really. We have respect for Israelis because of the U.S. I have good friends from there.”

But we are hated by the world.

Quick - someone get an Obama sticker and place it over that guy's mouth.

/

#9 Macker 8/04/08 8:47:28 pm 0

re: #5 ggt

Good Evening Lizards! The conditions on Lake Superior are calm and serene.

And colder than shit too I'll bet!

#10 Syrah 8/04/08 8:47:50 pm 0

A canary in a coal mine.

#11 Karridine 8/04/08 8:49:08 pm 0

Israelis happily answering questions in Muslim Prishtina?

GREAT!

"What's that golden-domed building on Mount Carmel?"

#12 jaunte 8/04/08 8:51:01 pm 0

re: #5 ggt

Hi ggt. In Houston right now it's 86 degrees, 61% humidity, and we're just sitting and waiting for Hurricane Ed(ouard) to come and knock the power out for awhile.

#13 Mich-again 8/04/08 8:51:16 pm 2

Great story. My neighbors across the street are secular Muslim Albanians from Montenegro and they are a really cool family. The parents are immigrants. The kids are completely American. When the relatives from the old world come to visit, they always seem to enjoy it here. I think the olny part of Islam they hold on to is that the kids won't eat pepperonis on Pizza. When they come and we are having Pizza, we order a cheese only for them.

#14 Sharmuta 8/04/08 8:51:33 pm 7
Albanians did shelter Jews during the Nazi occupation, more than any other people in Europe.

More than half survived the Nazi occupation of Kosovo because so many Albanians sheltered them from the Nazi authorities. According to Dan Michman, Chief Historian at Yad Vashem in Jerusalem, there were three times as many Jews in Albania at the end of the Holocaust than at the beginning. Albanians were well-known at the time as a friendly population who could be trusted. They refused to surrender Albanian Jews, and they refused to surrender Jewish refugees from elsewhere in Europe.

This is very impressive.

#15 Yankee Division Son 8/04/08 8:51:45 pm 0

Also on this day, August 4th, 1892

Andrew and Abby Borden of Fall River Massachusetts were axed to death in their home. Lizzie Borden, Andrew's daughter from a previous marriage was accused, tried, and later acquitted of the crime.

#16 jcm 8/04/08 8:55:22 pm 4

Such things give one hope.

(the real deal, not the snake oil version)

#17 Cartman 8/04/08 8:58:33 pm 6

On this day, in 1923, my Dad was born. He's with God now.

Happy Birthday, Pop!

#18 Sharmuta 8/04/08 8:59:49 pm 5

re: #4 experiencedtraveller

Islam is not monolithic.

Indeed- if islam is ever going to moderate, is it places like Kosovo where we should look and offer support and encouragement.

#19 Ojoe 8/04/08 9:00:17 pm 2
We are Muslims, but not really. We have respect for Israelis because of the U.S. I have good friends from there.”

But not really.

This says a lot.

#20 Slumbering Behemoth 8/04/08 9:00:20 pm 1
“Israelis are okay,” said a waiter named Afrim Kostrati at a cafe named Tirana. “The conflict is not our problem. We are Muslims, but not really. We have respect for Israelis because of the U.S. I have good friends from there.”

When reached for comment, Pat Buchanan had this to say: "Git offa my gotdamn lawn, ya fuckin' neo-cons"!

///

#21 Syrah 8/04/08 9:01:01 pm 0

re: #19 Ojoe

But not really.

This says a lot.

It shouts it.

#22 Ojoe 8/04/08 9:01:45 pm 0

re: #15 Yankee Division Son

Lizzie Borden took an ax
And gave her father 40 whacks
And when she saw what she had done
She gave her mother 41

(schoolyard rhyme)

#23 buzzsawmonkey 8/04/08 9:02:08 pm 0

re: #15 Yankee Division Son

Also on this day, August 4th, 1892

Andrew and Abby Borden of Fall River Massachusetts were axed to death in their home. Lizzie Borden, Andrew's daughter from a previous marriage was accused, tried, and later acquitted of the crime.

Now it wasn't done for pleasure
And it wasn't done for spite
And it wasn't done because their daughter wasn't very bright
She always did most everything that Mom and Papa bid
They said, "Lizzie, cut it out!" And that's exactly what she did

But you can't chop your mama up in Massachusetts
Not even if you're tired of her cuisine
No, you can't chop your mama up in Massachusetts
You know it's almost sure to cause a scene.

--from some musical comedy or other

#24 yochanan 8/04/08 9:02:15 pm 1

the albanians seem to be pro american they even gave President Bush a great reception last year as they know it was america that created kosava. problem is that the saudi are also spreading there hate. look at macadonia were the saudi are pushing out the sufi who were the majority in the albanian muslim population

#25 brainwizard73 8/04/08 9:03:42 pm 0

re: #19 Ojoe

You mean liking the US and Israel and Islam could be mutually exclusive?

You know what is coming here, right?

#26 ggt 8/04/08 9:03:57 pm 0

re: #9 Macker

No not really, warmish and humid. It cooled off from today, which was hotter than h@ll.

#27 yochanan 8/04/08 9:04:12 pm 0

re: #9 Macker

and you know the temp. of shit?

#28 JSK1121 8/04/08 9:04:26 pm 4

An article like this is just begging the Saudis to start exporting Wahhabism to a seemingly moderate place like this. In 20 years, those Jews will either be out of there or dead because of Wahhabism.

#29 itellu3times 8/04/08 9:04:35 pm 0

I'm sure a care package is even now on its way from our partners in peace in Riyadh to celebrate this lovely, peaceful scenario.

#30 itellu3times 8/04/08 9:05:01 pm 0

lordy, everyone with the same ugly thought, how sad

#31 ggt 8/04/08 9:05:02 pm 0

re: #12 jaunte

hey jaunte -- hope it fizzles out before it reaches you.

#32 JSK1121 8/04/08 9:05:42 pm 2

re: #30 itellu3times

lordy, everyone with the same ugly thought, how sad

I know! We're far too cynical here (probably for the better).

#33 Yankee Division Son 8/04/08 9:07:03 pm 0

re: #22 Ojoe

Lizzie Borden took an ax
And gave her father 40 whacks
And when she saw what she had done
She gave her mother 41

(schoolyard rhyme)

The rhyme was made up by a writer as a way to sell newspapers even though in reality her stepmother suffered 19 blows, her father 11.

#34 yochanan 8/04/08 9:07:08 pm 1

totten had a piece about Macadonia which isn't even majority muslim were the saudi are sending big bucks and have major effects. were the local muslims who are sufi are being oppressed by the saudi funded jihadists.

#35 jaunte 8/04/08 9:07:46 pm 0

re: #31 ggt

Oh, I think it'll be wind and heavy rain all the way up to Austin, but we usually just call that 'Fall.'

#36 ggt 8/04/08 9:07:54 pm 0

WEll, it's been short and weet --

Have a great evening all, I have an early wake-up call to tour a lighthouse on the Apostle Islands.

Report tomorrow night.

#37 Ojoe 8/04/08 9:08:40 pm 0

re: #25 brainwizard73

Conversions to some sensible religion I think.

Or hope.

(Hope and Change.)

OT
Today's Astronomy Picture of the Day

Good Night All.

#38 Sharmuta 8/04/08 9:09:10 pm 9

re: #28 JSK1121

In order for that to succeed, there has to be an audience. Reading this article, it seems as though the wahabbis will have a difficult time convincing the Kosovars that America and Israel are not their friends. We should work to keep it that way.

#39 brainwizard73 8/04/08 9:09:20 pm 0

re: #37 Ojoe

Well put. Good evening, then.

#40 Ojoe 8/04/08 9:09:43 pm 0

re: #33 Yankee Division Son

40 whacks has a nice ring to it...

G'nite

#41 StudSupreme 8/04/08 9:10:49 pm 4

Kosovo may indeed be very secular.
However - I understand that Hezbollah started infiltrating Bosnia in the mid 90's and started to radicalize some of the muslims there. I would bet that their influence is still felt.
Also: from what I hear, the Umma loves to spread the myth that the Western powers and in particular the USA strongly sided with the Serbians and supported them in their attempt to exterminate Muslims in Bosnia, when of course the exact opposite is true.

#42 Attaboid 8/04/08 9:10:50 pm 4

A salami, I like' um.
/cynic

#43 itellu3times 8/04/08 9:12:00 pm 0

re: #37 Ojoe

OT Today's Astronomy Picture of the Day

I keep a link to apod on my home page.

Great picture, what a beautiful universe this can be ... when you're a sufficient number of light years from the violence!

#44 JSK1121 8/04/08 9:13:12 pm 0

re: #38 Sharmuta

In order for that to succeed, there has to be an audience. Reading this article, it seems as though the wahabbis will have a difficult time convincing the Kosovars that America and Israel are not their friends. We should work to keep it that way.

Money talks, diplomacy walks...Or something like that.

#45 jcm 8/04/08 9:13:49 pm 0

re: #37 Ojoe

OT
Today's Astronomy Picture of the Day

Good Night All.

The lack of globular clusters and turtles......

#46 Edouard 8/04/08 9:13:59 pm 9

Hello. My name is Edouard. I’m a nasty tropical storm.

My purpose on this earth has been to test your offshore oil production technology and to demonstrate that America’s Gulf of Mexico oil industry need not fear the likes of me.

I'm blasting and crashing and blowing. And the rigs off the Gulf Coast are coming through like champs. Don't worry.

Above all, by all means don't allow the deranged, technologically illiterate enviro-wackos of America derail the vital work of increasing domestic oil production merely out of fear of me or my brother and sister storms. You are Americans, and your offshore rigs are the world's best.

--Sincerely, Edouard

P.S. I was not created by "man-made global warming"

#47 Yankee Division Son 8/04/08 9:16:21 pm 0

re: #40 Ojoe

It does ryme better, have to admit..

nite!

#48 Macker 8/04/08 9:16:28 pm 0

re: #43 itellu3times

I keep a link to apod on my home page.

Great picture, what a beautiful universe this can be ... when you're a sufficient number of light years from the violence!

Have I been watching too much Battlestar Galactica?

/snicker

#49 jcm 8/04/08 9:16:33 pm 0

re: #46 Edouard

Hello. My name is Edouard. I’m a nasty tropical storm.

My purpose on this earth has been to test your offshore oil production technology and to demonstrate that America’s Gulf of Mexico oil industry need not fear the likes of me.

I'm blasting and crashing and blowing. And the rigs off the Gulf Coast are coming through like champs. Don't worry.

Above all, by all means don't allow the deranged, technologically illiterate enviro-wackos of America derail the vital work of increasing domestic oil production merely out of fear of me or my brother and sister storms. You are Americans, and your offshore rigs are the world's best.

--Sincerely, Edouard

P.S. I was not created by "man-made global warming"

But we know Rove controls Bush's weather machine!

#50 Palandine 8/04/08 9:17:01 pm 2

re: #7 Yankee Division Son

Reading The Diary of Anne Frank was so powerful for me in my youth. I could just imagine the fear, the silence, the claustrophobia. It's an astonishing book.

#51 Pawn of the Oppressor 8/04/08 9:17:05 pm 0

"Then we looked at a map"

It is just delicious to hear common sense now and again. G-d bless the hard-nosed, sensible people of the world...

Michael should have gotten pictures of the guy with his girlfriend. If she's so hot, we want to see! ;)

#52 talon_262 8/04/08 9:17:22 pm 0

re: #46 Edouard

What a fortunate (or unfortunate, in regards to TS Edouard) nick you have...

;-)

#53 brainwizard73 8/04/08 9:17:42 pm 0

re: #46 Edouard

You must not have gotten the memo:

President Obama says "this is the moment" that the seas and sky will begin to heal, so you'll have to head south of the border where they are still to ignorant to elect Barack Obama as their leader.

#54 Ledger1 8/04/08 9:17:45 pm 0

This article gives hope.

But, I notice that Totten explains that Israel owes the USA for help given to them. Further, a lot of Muslims have now seen what the US Armed Forces can do in an Islamic country.

I wonder exactly how much of the USA show of force has tempered Muslims who do business with Israel.

A little? A lot? Somewhere in between? Who knows?

Totten’s article is uplifting but I suspect there are other factors in play.

#55 jaunte 8/04/08 9:18:36 pm 2

re: #50 Palandine

I visited the Frank house, in Amsterdam. A very moving experience; it was difficult to breathe inside.

#56 Sharmuta 8/04/08 9:20:18 pm 2

re: #44 JSK1121

You'll forgive me if I don't join you in your pessimistic outlook. I don't think these people want to be radicalized. They are sympathetic to Israel and love America. If you read the article, clearly there are Israelis in Kosovo providing jobs- I think that will go further than saudi money offering death for a cause the Kosovars are not sympathetic to.

#57 pat 8/04/08 9:20:40 pm 0

Cool story.

#58 Cartman 8/04/08 9:20:48 pm 0

re: #49 jcm

But we know Rove controls Bush's weather machine!

I'll bet GWB winces a little each hurricane season. He knows that no matter what happens, the left will blame it on him. He's probably relieved this is his last one.

#59 faraway 8/04/08 9:21:17 pm 0

OT, but who are we at war with in Iraq? Can't be the Iraqis, they're our ally.

Is the war over and they forgot to tell us?

/rotating title?

#60 MandyManners 8/04/08 9:24:26 pm 0

Thought-provoking article, Totten!

#61 JSK1121 8/04/08 9:25:01 pm 0

re: #56 Sharmuta

You'll forgive me if I don't join you in your pessimistic outlook. I don't think these people want to be radicalized. They are sympathetic to Israel and love America. If you read the article, clearly there are Israelis in Kosovo providing jobs- I think that will go further than saudi money offering death for a cause the Kosovars are not sympathetic to.

I'd love to think that you're right, but history has shown me that violent, Islamic forces have been very convincing in radicalizing historically moderate populations. With Islam's sexually repressive ideology, penchant for violence and vast quantities of oil money, I can't imagine Kosovo's moderate men would be that high of a hurdle to climb for the Wahhabis.

#62 Killgore Trout 8/04/08 9:25:16 pm 4

Pamela and Robert Spencer have been railing against Totten's discussion of moderate Muslims. I expected as much from Pamela but hoped for better from Mr. Spencer.
/I hope I'm not causing trouble here. Just sayin'.

#63 wannabuyaduck 8/04/08 9:27:15 pm 0

re: #23 buzzsawmonkey

--from some musical comedy or other

The Fall River Historical Society says it is from the Broadway musical "New Faces of 1952." I remember hearing it on a Chad Mitchell Trio recording during the days of Folk Music. "You know how neighbors love to criticize."

#64 judahsabre 8/04/08 9:29:02 pm 2

There is something else behind this that neither Totten nor his interviewees mention (unless it's in the full piece, which I haven't read). In the late 1990's, after the peace was signed, and Muslims were still living in refugee camps, Israel sent aid of all kinds, and people to administer it. (I have a friend who participated in this and described the work in some detail at the time; it involved everything from distributing food, blankets and shoes to playing basketball with the teenage kids and finding ways to entertain the younger ones.) They did not fly an Israeli flag in deference to potential sensitivities, but pretty much everyone knew where they were from, and deeply appreciated what they were doing. Clearly that feeling lingers.

#65 itellu3times 8/04/08 9:30:38 pm 2

re: #62 Killgore Trout

Pamela and Robert Spencer have been railing against Totten's discussion of moderate Muslims. I expected as much from Pamela but hoped for better from Mr. Spencer.
/I hope I'm not causing trouble here. Just sayin'.

Hmm.

Well, it's right around what we were all saying above.

Saudis with too much money instituting a jihad against peace and tolerance. So, in Kosovo, we have temporarily outbid them. Will it last?

#66 Mars Needs Neocons 8/04/08 9:30:46 pm 2

re: #62 Killgore Trout

Pamela and Robert Spencer have been railing against Totten's discussion of moderate Muslims. I expected as much from Pamela but hoped for better from Mr. Spencer.
/I hope I'm not causing trouble here. Just sayin'.

It does seem a bit off. But, I've read Spencer and he really pulls the veil away from Islam, maybe he sees something we don't. Or he doesn't want people in this country confusing a rare abberation with the general behavior of Islam. After all, many here in this country still think its the "Religion of Peace"

#67 stevieray 8/04/08 9:33:25 pm 2

re: #62 Killgore Trout

Once upon a time, America was the Greatest Place on Earth to the Kuwaitis. That lasted for what... about a year? Maybe two?

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...

Friendship between nations can be a fickle thing. I hope the Kosovars keep the love alive... but I'll wait and see what time brings.

#68 Mars Needs Neocons 8/04/08 9:36:10 pm 0

re: #67 stevieray

Once upon a time, America was the Greatest Place on Earth to the Kuwaitis. That lasted for what... about a year? Maybe two?

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...

Friendship between nations can be a fickle thing. I hope the Kosovars keep the love alive... but I'll wait and see what time brings.

My friends that are over there say that in general the Kuwaitis still love us. There's always going to be nuts in the trail mix.

#69 Killgore Trout 8/04/08 9:37:22 pm 6

re: #66 Mars Needs Neocons

I find it odd that he would give space to a article attacking Totten. I really think Totten is right on this one; he's been to the area and know what's going on. For Spencer to give space to some arm chair idiot who's never been to the region seems odd to me. Kosovo is going to be a strong a reliable ally to the US, I don't think there'