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Open | Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 11:21:32 am PDT

Here’s an open thread as we wrestle with the CSS code. We’re experimenting with a table-less CSS design, but running into a problem that causes the left sidebar to disappear off the left side of the screen when the window is smaller than the width of the content. Tried setting a min-width on the body, but it has no effect. Back to the salt mine...

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1 nigella  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:22:10am

Thanks Charles, I was getting depressed!

2 Gang of One  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:22:38am

It's Sunday afternoon here in NJ.

3 Sparkizzy  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:23:26am

What happened to the Buzz link? Not that I'll miss it, to be honest...

4 Gang of One  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:24:24am

I have to write lesson plans for my English 10 RR. I also have to decode the previous teacher's grade-book and figure out how she wanted to weight exams and all that neat stuff. Can we turn this into the Sunday Brunch & Drinking Thread?

5 Racer X  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:24:59am

I am so racist for enjoying this guy's rants.

I'm voting for McCain / Palin

6 WhiteRasta  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:25:13am

Wild horses could not get me to drink this coffee!

Disgusting! Spit!

[Link: www.truthorfiction.com...]

7 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:25:29am

Why would I not have anything on the sidebars showing?

It was okay here this morning for me, now it's just the thread or just comments on this page.

TIA

8 Charles  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:25:42am

I took the buzz links off the front page, because their code isn't suited for multiple links; it has to load a Javascript file for every post, which was too much overhead.

They're still there on the individual pages.

9 Sparkizzy  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:26:06am

re: #5 Racer X

I am so racist for enjoying this guy's rants.

I'm voting for McCain / Palin

That guy is awesome.

10 moe katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:27:02am

Hey Charles,

Now that you're around, I've always wondered if you're a fingerstyle player or a flatpicker.

11 arethusa  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:27:30am

If it is any help, I lose the left sidebar when switching threads.

12 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:27:42am

Thank you.

13 snopercod  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:28:17am

Yup, the left sidebar is off the edge of my screen.

14 cblesz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:28:46am

Fox News just ran a piece that explains the financial crisis for anyone who does not have any clue as to what is going on. It is basically "for dummies". The MSM will not run something like this because it points the finger at the CRA, Clinton, Obama, Frank, Dodd, Schumer. I am sickened by the way the MSM has covered their fraking eyes on this.

McCain better speak of this clearly and forcefully Tuesday.

15 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:29:31am

re: #14 cblesz

Fox News just ran a piece that explains the financial crisis for anyone who does not have any clue as to what is going on. It is basically "for dummies". The MSM will not run something like this because it points the finger at the CRA, Clinton, Obama, Frank, Dodd, Schumer. I am sickened by the way the MSM has covered their fraking eyes on this.

McCain better speak of this clearly and forcefully Tuesday.

I really hope a little of Palin's fearlessness rubs off on McCain.

16 lawhawk  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:29:51am

Hmmm.. sticky situation indeed. Something for the guys and gals. I'm really liking Daniel Craig as the new Bond, but Mrs. Lawhawk really digs him. Alot. Can't blame her. He gets all the hot gals (even though they all seemingly end up dead).

17 DeafDog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:31:09am

re: #14 cblesz

I saw it last night. It was a very good at connecting all the various dots. I know you were just joking, but Fox did a good job...the piece is not for 'dummies' at all.

18 arethusa  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:31:23am

re: #15 reine.de.tout

I really hope a little of Palin's fearlessness rubs off on McCain.

I don't think it's fear that's holding McCain back. It never has before. Rather, I think either he plans such attacks himself later or he really does want to run an honorable campaign. Unfortunately he is not playing with people who do.

19 Racer X  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:31:55am

re: #5 Racer X

I am so racist for enjoying this guy's rants.

I'm voting for McCain / Palin

"The price John McCain paid for his country, you couldn't even pay the taxes on".

20 nigella  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:32:11am

Reuters headline"Obama accuses McCain of a smear campaign."This is rich..... who's been smearing who in this campaign?Palin is , a book banner, racist, idiot, bad mother, illegal firing,unqualified, rube.......

21 debutaunt  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:32:56am

re: #9 Sparkizzy

That guy is awesome.

HA! He escaped the plantation!

22 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:32:59am

re: #16 lawhawk

Hmmm.. sticky situation indeed. Something for the guys and gals. I'm really liking Daniel Craig as the new Bond, but Mrs. Lawhawk really digs him. Alot. Can't blame her. He gets all the hot gals (even though they all seemingly end up dead).

Daniel Craig is the hottest Bond since Sean Connery was young, imo.

23 zerodamage  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:33:09am

Yeah, CSS is a pain in the ass. It is still better than dealing with the messy Tables way of doing layout but still can be a pain in the ass.

Charles, try using that Firefox plugin called "Firebug" which can help you figure out what is causing the problem.

24 Luigi  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:33:31am

Just in case anyone has forgotten, here's Obama giving Hillary the finger some months back.

[Link: hotair.com...]

Real class.

25 cblesz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:33:32am

re: #17 DeafDog

I saw it last night. It was a very good at connecting all the various dots. I know you were just joking, but Fox did a good job...the piece is not for 'dummies' at all.


Well, it is. I work in the business and have bought and sold HEL's, MBS and CMO's. The average Joe has no idea how we got here...other than it is George Bush's fault.

26 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:33:39am

re: #18 arethusa

I don't think it's fear that's holding McCain back. It never has before. Rather, I think either he plans such attacks himself later or he really does want to run an honorable campaign. Unfortunately he is not playing with people who do.

You are probably correct.

I hope he "sees the light" and starts playing hard.

27 nigella  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:34:03am

Oh, talking about smears.... McCain is an old, angry, senile,racist,right-wing, nut......

28 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:34:46am

re: #26 reine.de.tout

You are probably correct.

I hope he "sees the light" and starts playing hard.

Has he ever played hard when campaigning?

29 DeafDog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:34:59am

re: #16 lawhawk

Hmmm.. sticky situation indeed. Something for the guys and gals. I'm really liking Daniel Craig as the new Bond, but Mrs. Lawhawk really digs him. Alot. Can't blame her. He gets all the hot gals (even though they all seemingly end up dead).


The new Bond wasn't quite up to Sean Connery standards, but he was way better than Dalton/Bronson or Moore (and that other flunky who played the role).

30 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:35:13am

re: #16 lawhawk

Hmmm.. sticky situation indeed. Something for the guys and gals. I'm really liking Daniel Craig as the new Bond, but Mrs. Lawhawk really digs him. Alot. Can't blame her. He gets all the hot gals (even though they all seemingly end up dead).


I really like that they toned down the cartoony-ness and gagetry. like that when he fights he gets cut and bruised and stays injured - though he still heals rapidly

31 Desert Dog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:35:19am

The MSM will be spinning it like this all the way to Nov. 4th. Then, if their man wins, they will excuse, explain away and gloss over the coming disaster that will be his Presidency. I want to barf just thinking about it!

32 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:36:02am

My left sidebar isn't gone, it's just clear in the hell down at the bottom of the page...

33 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:36:33am

The Giants are abusing the Seahawks so badly it's almost criminal.

34 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:36:54am

re: #31 Desert Dog

The MSM will be spinning it like this all the way to Nov. 4th. Then, if their man wins, they will excuse, explain away and gloss over the coming disaster that will be his Presidency. I want to barf just thinking about it!

MSM meme for BO's presidential failures
GeorgeBushes!
GeorgeBushes!
GeorgeBushes!
GeorgeBushes!

35 Syrah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:37:03am

re: #5 Racer X

I am so racist for enjoying this guy's rants.

I'm voting for McCain / Palin

That was fun.

That was great!

36 Perry  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:37:13am

re: #18 arethusa

I don't think it's fear that's holding McCain back. It never has before. Rather, I think either he plans such attacks himself later or he really does want to run an honorable campaign. Unfortunately he is not playing with people who do.

I don't think he's fearful. I think he's a hero who's seen war, been tortured, held his place with honor. Nothing else can ever be that bad, even politics. I used to work in a really stressful job, with people's lives in my hands. Nothing else has ever been terribly stressful since then, when I stop and think about it.

37 lawhawk  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:37:24am

re: #29 DeafDog

That would be George Lazenby. Connery was excellent, and I thought that Pierce Brosnan was very good (should have been Bond instead of Dalton but for the Remington Steele run), and Moore was a more humorous take on Bond (fun when growing up the late 70s early 80s.

Craig is far more dangerous and menacing than any of the other Bonds. You never quite got that with even Connery. Sure, you've got the cold determination, but Craig's Bond is relentless in pursuit of his objectives.

38 lawhawk  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:38:05am

re: #33 JammieWearingFool

It's one of the most dominating performances from the Giants in a long time - clearly on top of their game and Manning was sharp. Real sharp.

39 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:38:19am

re: #20 nigella

Reuters headline"Obama accuses McCain of a smear campaign."This is rich..... who's been smearing who in this campaign?Palin is , a book banner, racist, idiot, bad mother, illegal firing,unqualified, rube.......


The msm has been doing most of the smearing for obambi/plugs.

40 arethusa  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:39:28am

re: #28 gettinby

Has he ever played hard when campaigning?

I don't know...anybody remember him in 2000? My impression is, no.

41 DeafDog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:40:44am

re: #25 cblesz

Well, it is. I work in the business and have bought and sold HEL's, MBS and CMO's. The average Joe has no idea how we got here...other than it is George Bush's fault.

Is there anything about the piece that you would correct or add to?

I thought they did a good job of showing a well-intentioned program spinning out of control.

42 tedzilla99  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:41:11am

Charles, I noticed your wrapper has a neg margin - why not just set the margin to auto which will center it?

43 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:41:54am

re: #38 lawhawk

It's one of the most dominating performances from the Giants in a long time - clearly on top of their game and Manning was sharp. Real sharp.


342 yards used to be an offensive explosion for an entire game. Now they have that in the first half.

It could actually be worse than 27-6 right now. Of course, a whole half to go, but it's looking good.

I'm starting to think this team has potential.

:D

44 cblesz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:41:54am

re: #41 DeafDog

Is there anything about the piece that you would correct or add to?

I thought they did a good job of showing a well-intentioned program spinning out of control.

No. I thought it was pretty good. Heard most of it on the radio on the way home from the supermarket...did not get to see the visuals, but it sounded good.

45 Drained Brain  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:42:12am

I really think that bit of AP "analysis" is just one more indicator that the MSM era is largely over. Thank goodness for the Internet.

46 Charles  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:42:40am

re: #42 tedzilla99

Charles, I noticed your wrapper has a neg margin - why not just set the margin to auto which will center it?

It is using auto margins now. But the "no scroll bars" problem is still there.

47 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:43:04am

re: #32 Fat Jolly Penguin

My left sidebar isn't gone, it's just clear in the hell down at the bottom of the page...

OMG! You're right!

48 DeafDog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:46:00am

re: #37 lawhawk

The Moore movies were got to be too campy for me....they took a good campiness and went to far. The Space Shuttle adventure (Octopussy?) was way far fetched.

The last bond flick (with Craig) had a totally different feel to it than the Moore movies. The chase scene in the construction site was awesome! It reminded me of the "Bourne Identity" movies with Matt (good actor, hate his polities) Damon. You got the feeling that it just might be real.

49 Desert Dog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:46:01am

re: #37 lawhawk

I agree, Craig is much more dangerous. Bond has always been suave and all that, but beginning with Roger Moore and then Pierce Brosnan, the character became more like a Super Hero than a real guy. I think casting Craig was the best thing that has happened to this franchise in a long time. He get's beat up, makes mistakes and misjudges. Of course, in the end, he still gets the bad guys, but it's not so predetermined as previous versions of Bond. Mrs. Desert Dog has voted Craig as the best Bond ever, too - for different reasons, no doubt.

50 tedzilla99  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:46:47am

re: #46 Charles

It is using auto margins now. But the "no scroll bars" problem is still there.

not seeing that one - you're probably changing it faster than I can refresh it heheh

I'll probably be more of an interruption than a help so I'll quiet down. I do have lots of experience in breaking stuff with CSS haha

51 arethusa  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:47:23am

Aah! Why didn't someone tell me the Phillies are on now?

*leaves in haste*

52 Charles  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:47:53am

re: #50 tedzilla99

not seeing that one - you're probably changing it faster than I can refresh it heheh

I'll probably be more of an interruption than a help so I'll quiet down. I do have lots of experience in breaking stuff with CSS haha

You can see the scroll bar problem if you resize the window to a smaller width than the content. The left sidebar disappears off the left side.

53 cblesz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:49:03am

OH, and Obama is running ads, "economy in turmoil, thousands of jobs lost, yada yada yada...and John McCain wants to change the subject"...YES, he does jackass. Nobody has pushed you on your CHARACTER and YOUR BUDDIES...freaking retard. Unreal. How about someone in the MSM push him on it? Does he not think it is about his judgement and character?

54 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:49:21am

I'm trying to figure out a way to completely ignore any/all polls and/or predictions. Any suggestions?

55 Oldasdirt  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:49:24am

re: #5 Racer X

I am so racist for enjoying this guy's rants.

I'm voting for McCain / Palin

Thanks for that,Damn dude,Racer X,you just made my day.I wouldn't call it a rant,seem very enlightened.

56 DeafDog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:49:44am

re: #39 newsjunkie_ky

The msm has been doing most of the smearing for obambi/plugs.

The MSM is spoon fed. The age of "investigative journalis" has passed. Case in point, the MSM in Iraq is stuck in the green zone (has been for years) and they consider going to press conferences as 'reporting.' Meanwhile, Michael Yon gives you facts from the field...totally different and more real from what you will hear in the MSM. That was a bit of a rant, but my point is that the MSM may be reporting, but the mud is comming from the campaign itself, because the reporters are nothing but faces.

57 Syrah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:50:31am

re: #54 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm trying to figure out a way to completely ignore any/all polls and/or predictions. Any suggestions?

Chocolate.

58 vagabond trader  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:50:33am

Europeans scrambling to save failing banks. Nothing better on a dreary Sunday than watching Europeans scrambling for any reason.

59 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:50:33am

re: #54 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm trying to figure out a way to completely ignore any/all polls and/or predictions. Any suggestions?

Just stay here, hon, and don't read those other things.

60 Colonel Panik  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:50:43am

re: #22 reine.de.tout

Daniel Craig is the hottest Bond since Sean Connery was young, imo.

My favorite MTV Celebrity Death Match is the one where Sean Connery and Roger Moore are fighting for the title of "Baddest Bond" with gadgets from the Sharper Image catalog.

61 moe katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:50:54am

Anyone that participates in the Eurofascism threads and hasn't read this article yet that I've been posting ought to read it now. It's very important to understand what the left-right continuum means in the continental European tradition. I see a lot of posters who don't get it at all; who don't understand the differences between the American and European traditions, and the discussion gets hopelessly muddled. It's a bit of a heavy read, but worthwhile, so here it is again.

[Link: www.worldandi.com...]

62 debutaunt  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:51:32am

re: #57 Syrah

Chocolate.

I wish you could be my Mom.

63 doppelganglander  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:51:42am

re: #49 Desert Dog

I agree, Craig is much more dangerous. Bond has always been suave and all that, but beginning with Roger Moore and then Pierce Brosnan, the character became more like a Super Hero than a real guy. I think casting Craig was the best thing that has happened to this franchise in a long time. He get's beat up, makes mistakes and misjudges. Of course, in the end, he still gets the bad guys, but it's not so predetermined as previous versions of Bond. Mrs. Desert Dog has voted Craig as the best Bond ever, too - for different reasons, no doubt.

Mr. Doppelganger liked Casino Royale a lot. I have never been a big Bond fan, but I would have chosen Clive Owen over Daniel Craig. Mmm, Clive Owen...

64 itellu3times  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:52:40am

Now what have you done, I can't select any text from anywhere?!?!?

65 debutaunt  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:53:24am

Wow!

Curmudgeon-Online daily e-mail for October 5, 2008

-------------------------------------------------- ------------

The universe is a big place, perhaps the biggest. - Kilgore Trout

My dog is worried about the economy because Alpo is up to 99 cents a can. That's almost $7.00 in dog money. - Joe Weinstein

It does not matter much what a man hates provided he hates something. - Samuel Butler (1835 - 1902)

In England, any man who wears a sword and a powdered wig is ashamed to be illiterate. I believe it is not so in France. - Dr. Samuel Johnson (1707 - 1784)

From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is a rule up with which I shall not put. - Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)

66 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:54:01am

re: #60 Colonel Panik

My favorite MTV Celebrity Death Match is the one where Sean Connery and Roger Moore are fighting for the title of "Baddest Bond" with gadgets from the Sharper Image catalog.

That was hilarious!

67 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:54:06am

re: #56 DeafDog

The MSM is spoon fed. The age of "investigative journalis" has passed. Case in point, the MSM in Iraq is stuck in the green zone (has been for years) and they consider going to press conferences as 'reporting.' Meanwhile, Michael Yon gives you facts from the field...totally different and more real from what you will hear in the MSM. That was a bit of a rant, but my point is that the MSM may be reporting, but the mud is comming from the campaign itself, because the reporters are nothing but faces.


You are right but this keeps the perception that obambi is running a 'nice' campaign, while that evillllll McCain/Palin are running a mean, dishonest campaign.

68 itellu3times  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:54:16am

But on the positive side, the ctrl-F search function now works again for me, for the first time in a year!

69 BBev  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:54:38am

re: #1 nigella

Thanks Charles, I was getting depressed!

Why are you depressed?

70 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:54:41am
The Way I See It #287

"There is a special place in hell for women who don't help other women."

Madeleine K. Albright
Secretary of State and Ambassador to the UN

71 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:55:07am

re: #70 Noam Sayin'

hat tip: Powerline

72 Colonel Panik  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:56:14am

re: #48 DeafDog

You cannot mention his name without posting the link.

MAAAAAT DAAAAAMON!

73 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:56:37am

re: #54 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm trying to figure out a way to completely ignore any/all polls and/or predictions. Any suggestions?

Go to a dark and quiet space.

Sit or lie down.

Close your eyes.

Ask yourself, 'Where's the pain?'

Describe to yourself exactly where it is. (center of stomach, back of head, left side of neck, etc.)

Once you pinpoint the pain, ask yourself, "What does it look like?"
(shape of a ball, pencil, door, etc.)

Then ask, "How much fluid can it hold?" (1 oz., 6 oz. ?)

Then ask, "What color is the fluid?"

Then wait a few seconds...and ask again, "Where's the pain?"

It will either move or disappear. If it moves, start over. It'll finally go away.

You will never be bothered again by a poll or prediction. The information will just bounce off of you.

/This is my prediction. :)

74 Syrah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:56:58am

re: #62 debutaunt

Chocolate doesn't really solve anything, but for a fleeting moment, you can taste contentment.

Sometimes that is enough to remember blessing in life that we all to easily overlook in the frustrations and worries of the everyday.

75 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:57:14am

I've started looking at puppies online. I want another pek-a-poo. How do you know it's not a puppy mill? And aren't you rescuing a puppy if you get it away from a puppy mill? My daughter adopted (bought) a puppy from a 'rescue foster mom' but as she had 50 dogs in cages isn't this almost like a puppy mill?

/I feel so guilty for looking.

76 itellu3times  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:57:17am

So hey, look at this:

SEC charges 5 L.A. brokers on subprime mortgages
By Robert Daniel, MarketWatch

Last update: 4:28 a.m. EDT Oct. 5, 2008
TEL AVIV (MarketWatch) - The Securities and Exchange Commission charged that five Los Angeles-area brokers "put their customers at risk by refinancing their homes with subprime mortgages that they could not afford."

The agency, in a statement on Friday, said it charged the five with securities fraud, saying that the brokers executed the refinancings to "fraudulently sell [the homeowners] unsuitable securities." It filed the case in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles.
...

The SEC is going to prosecute bad mortgage lenders? A mortgage is a security?

I don't think so.

The SEC, late to the party, but already drunk.

77 WhiteRasta  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:57:25am

re: #55 Oldasdirt

I love that guy!

78 tedzilla99  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:57:27am

I noticed div id=#maincontentdiv doesn't have any properties?

79 Charles  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:58:19am

I put the old design (with tables, yech) back until this is debugged a bit more.

Reload the page and you'll be back to normal.

80 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:58:33am

American Thinker has a good post today on MSM and how we should view them.

THEY ARE THE ENEMY!

Conservatives have to realize one simple truth: the Big Media is not the enemy's ally who can be won over; it is the enemy itself. The U.S. Big Media is every bit the propaganda arm of the Democratic Party's left wing as Dr. Goebbels' organization was the propaganda arm of the Nazi regime.

81 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:58:48am

BBIAM,
gotta go babysit Granddaughter for a few min.

82 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:59:48am

re: #81 newsjunkie_ky

BBIAM,
gotta go babysit Granddaughter for a few min.

let her post. We could use a new perspective!

83 BBev  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 11:59:55am

re: #75 newsjunkie_ky

I've started looking at puppies online. I want another pek-a-poo. How do you know it's not a puppy mill? And aren't you rescuing a puppy if you get it away from a puppy mill? My daughter adopted (bought) a puppy from a 'rescue foster mom' but as she had 50 dogs in cages isn't this almost like a puppy mill?

/I feel so guilty for looking.

I'm getting my wife a new puppy for her birthday next week.

84 itellu3times  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:00:05pm

re: #79 Charles

I put the old design (with tables, yech) back until this is debugged a bit more.

Reload the page and you'll be back to normal.

Oh goody, I can select text again. But strangely, the ctrl-F is still working, too! And yes, the left column is top-aligned again, hurrah.

85 stuiec  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:00:28pm

Saw "An American Carol" Friday night. Flashes of the Airplane! brand of parody humor, and a couple of flashes of genuine Why We Fight sentiment. I recommend it highly.

86 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:00:56pm

re: #83 BBev

I'm getting my wife a new puppy for her birthday next week.

what a coincidnece. i'm thinking of getting my puppy a new wife (okay ,, it would relly be for me ,, but shhhhhhh)

87 BBev  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:02:24pm

re: #86 sattv4u2

what a coincidnece. i'm thinking of getting my puppy a new wife (okay ,, it would relly be for me ,, but shhhhhhh)

You own me a new comp screen. I just spit wine all over it.

88 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:03:46pm

re: #87 BBev

You own me a new comp screen. I just spit wine all over it.

hehehehehe,,,

thats what you get for drinking while I'm working !

89 itellu3times  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:03:56pm

Tom Brokaw this Tuesday, Bob Schieffer next Tuesday, for whoever was asking about the remaining debates the other day.

[Link: www.swamppolitics.com...]

90 stuiec  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:03:58pm

re: #80 Intrepid

American Thinker has a good post today on MSM and how we should view them.

THEY ARE THE ENEMY!

They need to be made into the story: there need to be opinion pieces and Fox News items asking why CNN, MSNBC and the New York Times censor themselves of any facts that might reflect badly on Obama. Make the MSM have to answer to the charge that they refuse to present the full truth, make them defend their self-stated reputation for telling the whole story without bias.

91 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:04:26pm
92 itellu3times  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:05:21pm

re: #91 taxfreekiller

The days are getting shorter, too, I think it's a plot by Cheney to make us burn more oil.

93 Desert Dog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:05:29pm

Obama endorsements that John McCain would never get:

The Taliban
Hamas
Hezbollah
Hugo Chavez
Fidel Castro
The surviving members of the Weather Underground
Black Liberation Theology supporters
Louis Farrakhan
Jane Fonda, Sean Penn, Susan Surrender, et al
Al Qaida
Muammar Gaddafi
Communist Party of the USA
Vladimir Putin
The entire MSM of the USA, Canada, Europe and Asia

I am sure I miss some other obvious ones too.

94 DeafDog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:05:33pm

re: #90 stuiec

In fairness to the often lampooned Bill Oreilly, he's been doing that for months now.

95 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:06:25pm

re: #92 itellu3times

The days are getting shorter, too, I think it's a plot by Cheney to make us burn more oil.

Where do you live? every day here in Atlanta is still 24 hours long !

96 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:06:26pm

re: #75 newsjunkie_ky

I've started looking at puppies online. I want another pek-a-poo. How do you know it's not a puppy mill? And aren't you rescuing a puppy if you get it away from a puppy mill? My daughter adopted (bought) a puppy from a 'rescue foster mom' but as she had 50 dogs in cages isn't this almost like a puppy mill?

/I feel so guilty for looking.

Wouldn't there be some kind of an organization that keeps a watchout list for these things? Maybe your local animal shelter would know.

Maybe, if it is indeed a puppymill that you've contacted, your local animal shelter would want to know that also.

The reputation of these mills (my understanding) is that the dog you've saved by buying it from the mill will/may be diseased or inbred so badly that it will have genetic problems.

If you see mama winger, she might know.

97 itellu3times  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:06:30pm

re: #93 Desert Dog

90%+ of blacks, just because.

98 tedzilla99  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:07:12pm

Charles,

It might be the position: relative you had on the wrapper and the topdiv - unless you took those off. You could probably just set the topdiv to width: 100% and then have the wrapper underneath with margin: 0 auto; without your positioning. With the specific width wrapper your left and right columns will not resize with the window.


If I'm way off, just say I'm off and I'll go away :)

99 Miss Trixie  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:07:21pm

&#9834 &#9836 Good afternoon {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

:D

100 itellu3times  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:07:48pm

re: #95 sattv4u2

Where do you live? every day here in Atlanta is still 24 hours long !

That's why it's Hot-lanta, but it does make the peaches sweet.

101 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:08:12pm

re: #93 Desert Dog

re: #97 itellu3times

90%+ of blacks, just because.

and I wonder what percent of "white guilt" Caucasians

102 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:08:42pm

re: #80 Intrepid

Great article, Mr. Volsky breaks it down. My favorite line...Attempts to shame the Big Media into objectivity will go nowhere, it will not be moved by gentle rebukes and reminders of the precepts supposedly taught at journalism schools.

103 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:09:06pm

[Link: www.cbc.ca...]

Speaking of lizards....

104 tedzilla99  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:09:36pm

re: #96 gettinby

Wouldn't there be some kind of an organization that keeps a watchout list for these things? Maybe your local animal shelter would know.

Maybe, if it is indeed a puppymill that you've contacted, your local animal shelter would want to know that also.

The reputation of these mills (my understanding) is that the dog you've saved by buying it from the mill will/may be diseased or inbred so badly that it will have genetic problems.

If you see mama winger, she might know.

I would go to [Link: www.petfinder.com...] -- you can search for the size and age of the pet you want, and they have lots of rescue organizations and shelters listed. I got my puppy from a rescue listed there.

105 itellu3times  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:10:12pm

re: #93 Desert Dog

rustlers, cutthroats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperadoes, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, half-wits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswagglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass kickers, shit kickers and Methodists

106 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:10:14pm

We? I'm supposed to be helping? Charles! I don't know nuthin about CSS table-less design. Lawdy Lawdy!

107 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:10:18pm

re: #101 sattv4u2

re: #97 itellu3times

and I wonder what percent of "white guilt" Caucasians

Condi Rice had a few comments on this subject. She's one AA that isn't likely to support the Dem ticket.

108 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:10:22pm
109 itellu3times  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:11:28pm

re: #107 Moe Katz

Condi Rice had a few comments on this subject. She's one AA that isn't likely to support the Dem ticket.

Are you so sure of that? Colin Powell was still mulling the issue, last I heard.

110 Syrah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:12:34pm

Alright Lizards.

I just sent off some money to the campaign.

It is time to put up.

111 Oldasdirt  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:12:56pm

re: #103 Moe Katz

[Link: www.cbc.ca...]

Speaking of lizards....

Was the croc hungry? maybe the boy was croc whisper and the croc asked him to do it.

112 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:13:22pm

re: #107 Moe Katz

Condi Rice had a few comments on this subject. She's one AA that isn't likely to support the Dem ticket.

re: #109 itellu3times

I have a friend of mine here in ga who is an African American running as a REPUBLICAN for the Georgai House of Reps. He tells me that every day, he is out speaking to the AA community AGAINST Obama, and is getting a good response (as always, we shall see coem election day)

113 BBev  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:13:41pm

re: #88 sattv4u2

hehehehehe,,,

thats what you get for drinking while I'm working !

Dude why are you working while I'm drinking. Come here to NH and join us. Life is good up here in NH

114 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:13:59pm

re: #109 itellu3times

Are you so sure of that? Colin Powell was still mulling the issue, last I heard.

Sorry I don't have the link, but Condi was really deconstructing the whole idea of Obie as the black candidate. Powell is an honest fellow---if he says he's mulling the issue I believe him.

115 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:14:24pm

re: #110 Syrah

Alright Lizards.

I just sent off some money to the campaign.

It is time to put up.

my wife and I already maxed what we can give !

116 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:14:49pm

re: #104 tedzilla99

I would go to [Link: www.petfinder.com...] -- you can search for the size and age of the pet you want, and they have lots of rescue organizations and shelters listed. I got my puppy from a rescue listed there.

Very good information.

newsjunkie_ky - who was inquiring - hopefully will see this.

117 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:15:09pm

re: #115 sattv4u2

my wife and I already maxed what we can give !

Then give your time.

118 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:15:18pm

re: #113 BBev

Dude why are you working while I'm drinking. Come here to NH and join us. Life is good up here in NH

Been There/ Done Tha/ Got the long underwear

I don;'t even OWN a snow shovel now !

119 Miss Trixie  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:15:48pm

{ { {news junkie} } }

/I feel so guilty for looking.

Hon, it's obvious to me that you have a lot of love to give and a huge capacity to receive. Guilt? Nope. Love for a fuzzy friend? In spades.

:)

120 Desert Dog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:15:52pm

re: #102 MrPaulRevere

The inmates run the asylum. I think I read somewhere that the percentage of journalism professors registered as Democrats hovers around 90%. I also believe that is the same percentage of editors of major newspapers in the USA as well. I am not sure of TV news figures, but you can see just by simple observation the majority of them look at life through a leftward leaning and slighty red lense. They live in a little cocoon where they all march in lock-step to the drum beat of liberal ideology. They also believe they are objective, but maybe not so this election cycle. They are actually coming out of the closest this time around. Not that it will matter. They will churn out a new supply of brainwashed, smug know-it-alls to continue their warped worldview

These are the same guys that sit around and cannot understand why their circulation number are dropping like a lead balloon or why FOX News kicks their asses so bad...if you tell yourself the same lie over and over, eventually, you will start believing it yourself.

121 yma o hyd  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:16:03pm

re: #80 Intrepid

American Thinker has a good post today on MSM and how we should view them.

THEY ARE THE ENEMY!

Verrrrrry good!

Mail it to the McCain campaign, to Sarah Palin's HQ, and to all RNC set-ups!

122 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:16:04pm

re: #117 Sharmuta

Then give your time.

doing that also. AND, holding house parties for my friend that is running locally!

123 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:16:07pm

re: #103 Moe Katz

[Link: www.cbc.ca...]

Speaking of lizards....

I see no positive outcome of this.

124 gettinby  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:16:10pm

re: #99 Miss Trixie

♪ ♬ Good afternoon {lizards!} ♬ ♪

:D

Hi there!

125 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:16:14pm

re: #22 reine.de.tout

Daniel Craig is the hottest Bond since Sean Connery was young, imo.


He is indeed.... so yummy. He can take his angst out on me anyday.

126 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:16:31pm

re: #112 sattv4u2

re: #109 itellu3times

I have a friend of mine here in ga who is an African American running as a REPUBLICAN for the Georgai House of Reps. He tells me that every day, he is out speaking to the AA community AGAINST Obama, and is getting a good response (as always, we shall see coem election day)

It's easy to see how the whole meme of an AA being elected POTUS is so appealing. It's like national reconciliation, a healing of the slavery wound in America's soul, etc., etc. Not such a bad idea, really, but the AA candidate in this particular case is such a poor choice.

127 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:17:26pm

re: #111 Oldasdirt

Was the croc hungry? maybe the boy was croc whisper and the croc asked him to do it.

Quite the little devil of a 7-year-old, though, isn't he?

128 Occasional Reader  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:17:26pm

re: #103 Moe Katz

[Link: www.cbc.ca...]

Speaking of lizards....

The director of an Australian zoo said on Friday he is "horrified" after a seven-year-old boy broke into the zoo, fed an assortment of animals to a crocodile and clubbed various lizards to death with a rock.

Sounds like we have the makings of a Peter Shaffer play. Croquus?

129 jcw46  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:17:40pm

re: #80 Intrepid

American Thinker has a good post today on MSM and how we should view them.

THEY ARE THE ENEMY!

I'm not angry that the msm is biased, I can deal with that. It's that they will not admit to it.
Of course they can't. To do so would remove the last thin cover they try to wrap themselves in when anyone accuses them of false reporting.
They've completely lost all respect of the average American and it has hurt their bottom line. Advertisers have found better more targeted platforms to get buyers attention. I stopped buying the NYT. What was the point. Tell me I can't name a topic and you couldn't write the headline and the first paragraph as slanted by them. When you can predict what a NEWS paper will print then it's no longer NEWS it's a fairy tale.

"once upon a time the big bad racist republicans used mean words against a brave black man who was just trying to save the world".

Now you fill in the rest. Hey we're all J School grads now.

They're also responsible for the anger from the left. They dole out their left-leaning opinions and stories that create the impression that being progressive/liberal/leftist is cool, intelligent, what the majority of the universe believes.
Then when reality rises up in the form of the conservative half of this country, they have a fit: "How can this be? Conservatism isn't cool, it's not good, the people who believe in Conservatism are hillbilly, redneck, incestuous morons from the backwoods." They are no longer equipped to accept anyone else's viewpoint. I blame our indoctrinaire educational system run by Union hacks and the mass media who have a vested interest in manipulating what people think.

130 Oldasdirt  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:18:05pm

re: #99 Miss Trixie

♪ ♬ Good afternoon {lizards!} ♬ ♪

:D

Welcome to the place that will make you laugh sometimes,,and think all the time.

131 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:18:13pm

re: #123 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I see no positive outcome of this.

For the crocodile the outcome seems entirely positive....

132 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:18:22pm

re: #63 doppelganglander

Mr. Doppelganger liked Casino Royale a lot. I have never been a big Bond fan, but I would have chosen Clive Owen over Daniel Craig. Mmm, Clive Owen...


Casino Royale was the best Bond movie made in a long, long while.

133 Occasional Reader  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:18:41pm

re: #127 Moe Katz

Quite the little devil of a 7-year-old, though, isn't he?

Ah, he sounds more like a budding sociopath, quite frankly.

134 Wishing  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:19:00pm

re: #90 stuiec

They need to be made into the story: there need to be opinion pieces and Fox News items asking why CNN, MSNBC and the New York Times censor themselves of any facts that might reflect badly on Obama. Make the MSM have to answer to the charge that they refuse to present the full truth, make them defend their self-stated reputation for telling the whole story without bias.

Actually, McCain fought them * on their own turf* when he secluded Palin from their leering eyes for a few weeks after her introduction to the American people. The result: a hunger for ANYTHING Palin.
It works, folks.

135 Syrah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:19:15pm

re: #115 sattv4u2

my wife and I already maxed what we can give !

Very good. I am maxing out on what I can afford, which isn't much, but I will do what I can whenever I can.

I will be harassing a few people I know to put there money where their mouth is. This is a team effort. We will all have to encourage as many people as we can to contribute what time and and money they can for the cause.

136 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:19:47pm

re: #133 Occasional Reader

Ah, he sounds more like a budding sociopath, quite frankly.

My thoughts exactly. It would be interesting to find out what happened to him 10, 20 years later.

137 J.S.  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:19:48pm

re: #92 itellu3times

Just the other day there was a blizzard warning for the Dempsey Highway (for anyone headed up to the Yukon...)

138 jcw46  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:20:07pm

re: #93 Desert Dog

Obama endorsements that John McCain would never get:

The Taliban
Hamas
Hezbollah
Hugo Chavez
Fidel Castro
The surviving members of the Weather Underground
Black Liberation Theology supporters
Louis Farrakhan
Jane Fonda, Sean Penn, Susan Surrender, et al
Al Qaida
Muammar Gaddafi
Communist Party of the USA
Vladimir Putin
The entire MSM of the USA, Canada, Europe and Asia

I am sure I miss some other obvious ones too.


Tom Hayden, Ho Chi Minh, Lenin.

139 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:20:09pm

re: #128 Occasional Reader

Sounds like we have the makings of a Peter Shaffer play. Croquus?

ROFL!

I want to see Dan Radcliffe in Equiuus (sp?) though.....he's a pretty damn good actor outside of his Potter role'. Not hard on the eyes, either.

140 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:20:19pm

re: #126 Moe Katz

It's easy to see how the whole meme of an AA being elected POTUS is so appealing. It's like national reconciliation, a healing of the slavery wound in America's soul, etc., etc. Not such a bad idea, really, but the AA candidate in this particular case is such a poor choice.

so it's okay to vote for someone just because of skin color? Is it then okay to NOT vote for someone for the same reason? What about sex? No woman has ever been Pres. Should we vote for the 1st nominee just because she's a Female? What about Albinoes? Puerto Ricans? Someone with a physical disability? Should all those be considered just because their group has at one time or another, in some degree or another been mistreated?

141 Opinionated  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:20:26pm

You won't believe this. And you may be frightened.

Because of Obama

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

142 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:20:57pm

re: #133 Occasional Reader

Ah, he sounds more like a budding sociopath, quite frankly.


Budding? No, he's made it into the land of Sociopathology already.

143 Scion9  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:22:05pm

re: #16 lawhawk


He gets all the hot gals (even though they all seemingly end up dead).

There is a South African stand up (can't remember his name right now) that does a James Bond/extreme methods of abortion routine.

144 Occasional Reader  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:22:15pm

re: #132 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Casino Royale was the best Bond movie made in a long, long while.

I think Casino Royale (the 2006 one) was the best Bond movie, hands down; and Daniel Craig rivals and perhaps surpasses Connery as the best Bond.

Among other things, the movie's writing was a quantum leap better than any other Bond movie. If you see it again, listen to, for instance, the dialogue when Bond first meets Vesper Lynd on the train. Compared to Bond dialogue from other movies, it's Shakespeare.

145 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:22:29pm

re: #140 sattv4u2

so it's okay to vote for someone just because of skin color? Is it then okay to NOT vote for someone for the same reason? What about sex? No woman has ever been Pres. Should we vote for the 1st nominee just because she's a Female? What about Albinoes? Puerto Ricans? Someone with a physical disability? Should all those be considered just because their group has at one time or another, in some degree or another been mistreated?

I see it as analogous to affirmative action. There's a place for it if the person is really qualified. But I think we're heading into a debate on affirmative action per se, which I have no taste for.

146 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:22:36pm
147 doppelganglander  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:23:22pm

re: #95 sattv4u2

Where do you live? every day here in Atlanta is still 24 hours long !

There's going to be an ATL lizard meet-up next Sunday. Email me for more information.

148 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:23:27pm

Just got back from the McCain-Palin rally in Burlingame. It seemed fairly civil, about 1000 on either side. Of course some Obama supporters felt the need to stand in our crowd. We just tried to make them as uncomfortable as possible. I bugged out after she got inside.

149 yma o hyd  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:23:34pm

Gotta go, Lizards - that little madam, Miss Dog, is demanding my atention!

Seeya tomorrow - and keep laughing!

150 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:23:53pm

Since this is the OT, I was wondering f anyone could advise me on how to clean the cage of an untamed hamster?

I have leather gloves, and the little bitch bites...will the gloves (kid) protect my digits? Or, should I just chase the little bugger around the cage as I scoop out the old bedding?

I can't believe I allowed my daughter to talk me into this little tailess rodent, but both the daughter and the hamster are cute.....

151 shibumi  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:24:06pm

re: #85 stuiec

Saw "An American Carol" Friday night. Flashes of the Airplane! brand of parody humor, and a couple of flashes of genuine Why We Fight sentiment. I recommend it highly.

Lizards looking for something to do this Sunday should DEFINITELY go see American Carol. I just got back from a matinee and can't recommend it highly enough. Very, very, VERY worthwhile film, with (spoiler alert!) ACLU Zombies.

The film is worth it just for that.

Go see it now Now NOW! Support conservative filmmakers!

/we now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

152 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:24:29pm

re: #103 Moe Katz

[Link: www.cbc.ca...]

Speaking of lizards....

Oh yeah. Harry Reid is just a little worse person than this kid.

153 alien_mind  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:24:30pm

Awec Balwinre: #72 Colonel Panik

You cannot mention his name without posting the link.

MAAAAAT DAAAAAMON!


well you can't mention maaat daaaaamon with mentioning
Awec Balwin

154 WhiteRasta  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:24:42pm

re: #146 Wyatt Earp

Backwards idiot think from the U.N. as usual. Parroted by a compliant media.

155 Occasional Reader  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:24:51pm

re: #142 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Budding? No, he's made it into the land of Sociopathology already.

I hope that can be diverted. I mean, look, like many young boys, I did my share of "wow! Look what happens when you pour salt on a slug!", too. And I turned out okay. (My Mom says so, anyway.) But I think what this kid did was way beyond that.

156 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:25:37pm

re: #54 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm trying to figure out a way to completely ignore any/all polls and/or predictions. Any suggestions?

Sensory deprivation tank?

157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:25:40pm

re: #151 shibumi

My favorite line, belonged to Bill O'Reilly.

158 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:25:56pm

re: #144 Occasional Reader

I think Casino Royale (the 2006 one) was the best Bond movie, hands down; and Daniel Craig rivals and perhaps surpasses Connery as the best Bond.

Among other things, the movie's writing was a quantum leap better than any other Bond movie. If you see it again, listen to, for instance, the dialogue when Bond first meets Vesper Lynd on the train. Compared to Bond dialogue from other movies, it's Shakespeare.


Too true, and I also liked thelack of fancy schmancy weaponry. The chase scene in the beginning was ART! I still hold my breath when I watch it. Plus, this was more of a cerebral film, although when the action came it was faboo. I loved Judy Dench in this one as well. I can't wait for Quantum to come out!

159 itellu3times  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:26:11pm

re: #114 Moe Katz

Sorry I don't have the link, but Condi was really deconstructing the whole idea of Obie as the black candidate.

So, he isn't authentically black enough to be down for the struggle, was that her argument?

I just don't know what to expect out of Condi any more, she has been so far off on the Israeli/Palestinian thing. Actually, she's been entirely out of sight for months, hasn't she? Good.

160 Occasional Reader  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:26:13pm

re: #148 rawmuse

Just got back from the McCain-Palin rally in Burlingame. It seemed fairly civil, about 1000 on either side.

Wait a minute. You mean, at a McCain-Palin rally, there were equal numbers of M-P supporters and Obama supporters?

161 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:26:34pm

re: #145 Moe Katz

I see it as analogous to affirmative action. There's a place for it if the person is really qualified. But I think we're heading into a debate on affirmative action per se, which I have no taste for.

no ,, there's NOT (IMHO)
A1) You're qualified, you get my vote
B1) You're NOT qualified, you do NOT get my vote
A2) You're qualified and happen to be black, you get my vote
B2) You're NOT qualified and happen to be black, you do NOT get my vote

162 Oldasdirt  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:26:39pm

My grandfather was a farmer,had about 80 acres.Every year he would read the Farmers almanac and plant by it.Always said that they were 70% right.
This year the farmers almanac says we are heading to a 50 year cooling cycle.
Please do not tell Gore,he may get depressed.

163 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:27:28pm

re: #160 Occasional Reader

Yeah, I have pics. Have not down loaded them yet.
McCain Palin had more supporters, but the other side had, you know, big giant puppets.

And I forgot my sunblock, so I am pinkish.

164 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:27:28pm

re: #104 tedzilla99

I would go to [Link: www.petfinder.com...] -- you can search for the size and age of the pet you want, and they have lots of rescue organizations and shelters listed. I got my puppy from a rescue listed there.

What a cool use of the Internet.

165 doppelganglander  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:27:41pm

re: #155 Occasional Reader

I hope that can be diverted. I mean, look, like many young boys, I did my share of "wow! Look what happens when you pour salt on a slug!", too. And I turned out okay. (My Mom says so, anyway.) But I think what this kid did was way beyond that.

If this kid is doing something on such a large scale at age 7, it may be too late. I'd be interested to know if he also wets the bed and starts fires.

166 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:27:59pm

re: #159 itellu3times

So, he isn't authentically black enough to be down for the struggle, was that her argument?

I just don't know what to expect out of Condi any more, she has been so far off on the Israeli/Palestinian thing. Actually, she's been entirely out of sight for months, hasn't she? Good.

No, sorry, I meant she was deconstructing the idea of having a black president for just the sake of it.

167 DeafDog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:28:00pm

re: #150 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Since this is the OT, I was wondering f anyone could advise me on how to clean the cage of an untamed hamster?

Maybe you could check the Barney Frank web page for hints?

////bad, deafdog, bad!

168 itellu3times  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:28:25pm

re: #162 Oldasdirt

My grandfather was a farmer,had about 80 acres.Every year he would read the Farmers almanac and plant by it.Always said that they were 70% right.
This year the farmers almanac says we are heading to a 50 year cooling cycle.
Please do not tell Gore,he may get depressed.

He's been putting on enough fat, that he may sleep through the 50 years.

169 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:28:37pm

Russian troops start dismantling Georgia posts

The war began Aug. 7 when Georgian troops launched an offensive to regain control of South Ossetia, one of two Georgian separatist regions where Russia has troops stationed as peacekeepers...
....Russia recognized the independence of both regions after the fighting. So far, only Nicaragua and the Hamas government in Gaza have followed suit with recognition.


meanwhile
Merkel to Russia: Georgia territory non-negotiable

ST PETERSBURG, Russia, Oct 2 (Reuters) - German Chancellor Angela Merkel told her Russian hosts during a visit on Thursday that Georgia's territorial integrity was non-negotiable, implicitly rebuking Moscow for recognising two Georgian regions as independent states.

Merkel also said in opening remarks at a joint news conference with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev that countries should be able to decide freely if they wanted to join the NATO military alliance.

I think BO probably said screw 'em when asked

170 debutaunt  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:28:48pm

re: #160 Occasional Reader

Wait a minute. You mean, at a McCain-Palin rally, there were equal numbers of M-P supporters and Obama supporters?

Close to SF - cool!

171 Occasional Reader  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:28:56pm

re: #158 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Too true, and I also liked thelack of fancy schmancy weaponry. The chase scene in the beginning was ART! I still hold my breath when I watch it. Plus, this was more of a cerebral film, although when the action came it was faboo. I loved Judy Dench in this one as well. I can't wait for Quantum to come out!

Yep, it was relatively gadget-free, and the plot wasn't over the top; no moon bases or giant lasers. Much more realistic. And despite the lack of gadgetry, that chase scene was absolutely classic. The guy being pursued is, if I'm not mistaken, one of the inventors of parkour.

172 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:29:25pm

re: #155 Occasional Reader

I hope that can be diverted. I mean, look, like many young boys, I did my share of "wow! Look what happens when you pour salt on a slug!", too. And I turned out okay. (My Mom says so, anyway.) But I think what this kid did was way beyond that.


Sociopaths are born that way....if you catch them in time they make good politicians, ceo's or spies...if you don't get to them in time they turn into Dahmers, Bundys etc.

Pouring salt on a slug is normal behavior...you likely only did it once to satisfy your curiosoty...these kids do it over and over because they enjoy it.

173 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:29:27pm

re: #170 debutaunt

Close to SF - cool!

Burlingame is in San Mateo County, not exactly moonbat country. But close.

174 Occasional Reader  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:30:13pm

re: #163 rawmuse

And I forgot my sunblock, so I am pinkish.

Another redneck Palin supporter...

175 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:30:41pm

re: #147 doppelganglander

There's going to be an ATL lizard meet-up next Sunday. Email me for more information.

e-mail got bounced back to me as unapproved SPAM

176 FrogMarch  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:30:41pm

Lizards! I would like to report that AN AMERICAN CAROL is great! The movie trailer doesn't do the movie justice. The movie is
very funny and clever and well worth seeing!


Highlights: Rosie O'Donnell makes a documentary about the episcopalian suppository bomber and Hilter sings kumbaya to Nevil Chamberlain. Good stuff. Trace Adkins is a tall drink of water.

177 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:31:07pm

re: #171 Occasional Reader

Yep, it was relatively gadget-free, and the plot wasn't over the top; no moon bases or giant lasers. Much more realistic. And despite the lack of gadgetry, that chase scene was absolutely classic. The guy being pursued is, if I'm not mistaken, one of the inventors of parkour.

Parkour is breathtaking!
IMO, the most over the top Bond film was Moonraker...it sucked.

178 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:31:08pm

Palin defends terrorist comment against Obama

"The comments are about an association that has been known but hasn't been talked about," she said. "It's important to talk about how Barack Obama kicked off his political career in the guy's living room."

You GO, Sarah!

179 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:31:11pm

re: #161 sattv4u2

no ,, there's NOT (IMHO)
A1) You're qualified, you get my vote
B1) You're NOT qualified, you do NOT get my vote
A2) You're qualified and happen to be black, you get my vote
B2) You're NOT qualified and happen to be black, you do NOT get my vote

What I'm talking about is basically a one-time act of national psychological significance---a kind of collective catharsis, healing, ethnic reconciliation. The symbolic importance of electing a black POTUS would be pretty much confined to the first time it happened.

180 Occasional Reader  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:31:48pm

re: #172 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

you likely only did it once to satisfy your curiosoty...

Um... sure, just once... that's the ticket...

(No, more than once, and again, I think that in terms of Boys' Life, I'm in pretty good company. But it was definitely a Goofus thing to do, not a Gallant one.)

181 Shug  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:31:55pm

The Detroit Lions...........they're not good

182 Desert Dog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:32:06pm

re: #162 Oldasdirt

My grandfather was a farmer,had about 80 acres.Every year he would read the Farmers almanac and plant by it.Always said that they were 70% right.
This year the farmers almanac says we are heading to a 50 year cooling cycle.
Please do not tell Gore,he may get depressed.

Doesn't matter, they have already dropped the "Global Warming" tag, it's now "Climate Change". So, if the temps go up or down, it's still man's fault and we will still need to curtail our economies, have massive amounts of money transferred to some unaccountable bureaucracy, and, as Mr. Gore hopes, but lots lots of carbon indulgences to cleanse our troubles souls.

183 BBev  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:32:17pm

re: #118 sattv4u2

Been There/ Done Tha/ Got the long underwear

I don;'t even OWN a snow shovel now !

I hear y, I lost 30 pounds last year plowing and shoveling that dam snow, I worked so much that I did not have time to go skiing.

184 Occasional Reader  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:32:22pm

re: #177 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Parkour is breathtaking!
IMO, the most over the top Bond film was Moonraker...it sucked.

But was it worse than Octopussy?

Discuss.

185 vagabond trader  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:32:35pm

re: #75 newsjunkie_ky

KNJ, first my condolences. As my animal loving MD told me after the loss of my best bud, a cat-dog, "To love a pet is to know loss." No need to feel guilt, you'll be giving a deserving pet a loving home. Have you thought of checking out canine rescue sites? Try googling the breed with rescue in the search.A well meaning acquaintance foisted an abused abandoned cat on me after we lost our boy, knowing what a soft touch I am. It was an adjustment, but the best thing we could have done. He's the sweetest most loving fat boy who knows he hit the lottery.Always purring, drooling and doing some silliness to amuse us.

186 J.S.  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:32:50pm

re: #172 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Well, I don't know -- a seven year old, in terms of moral/emotional development -- who's to say the kid isn't yet able to distinguish fantasy from reality? (way too early to write the kid off as some kind of psycho..imo..and certainly not enough info about the kid...)

187 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:33:19pm

re: #178 Sharmuta

Palin defends terrorist comment against Obama

You GO, Sarah!

Also- the more she talks about it, even defending it, it's getting more press time. So the "controversy" of discussing it kinda backfires on the msm & 0bama because it's just getting more play.

188 Occasional Reader  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:33:28pm

re: #178 Sharmuta

Palin defends terrorist comment against Obama

You GO, Sarah!

Oh, Thank God. At last.


It's like maybe, maybe, a portal is opening to take us BACK OUT of the Bizarro Universe? Please?

189 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:33:28pm

re: #172 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Sociopaths are born that way....if you catch them in time they make good politicians, ceo's or spies...if you don't get to them in time they turn into Dahmers, Bundys etc.

Pouring salt on a slug is normal behavior...you likely only did it once to satisfy your curiosoty...these kids do it over and over because they enjoy it.

I concur.

190 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:33:52pm

re: #171 Occasional Reader

Chase Scene, "Casino Royale"

191 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:34:24pm

re: #181 Shug

The Detroit Lions...........they're not good

It could be worse. They could be in Giants Stadium today.

192 Shug  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:34:51pm

re: #184 Occasional Reader

But was it worse than Octopussy?

Discuss.


octopussy was bad. But nothing is as bad as everything that followed Roger Moore. Totally unwatchable drivel, and the worst is this new gay guy Craig who is afraid of guns


Moonraker was great. But not as good as Man with the golden gun

Spy Who loved me is my favorite bond film.

193 Shug  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:35:20pm

re: #191 JammieWearingFool

It could be worse. They could be in Giants Stadium today.

yes, that would be worse

194 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:35:23pm

re: #186 J.S.

Well, I don't know -- a seven year old, in terms of moral/emotional development -- who's to say the kid isn't yet able to distinguish fantasy from reality? (way too early to write the kid off as some kind of psycho..imo..and certainly not enough info about the kid...)

I think the boldness of breaking into the zoo like that, evading the alarm systems, etc. shows one of the key psychological characteristics of the sociopath---the extreme cool, lack of fear of punishment.

195 USA  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:35:26pm

re: #178 Sharmuta

Palin defends terrorist comment against Obama

You GO, Sarah!

Excellent! I'm trying to remember, have I ever chosen to announce an important decision in my life in the living room of an unrepentant domestic terrorist?
Let. Me. Think.

196 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:35:44pm

re: #179 Moe Katz

What I'm talking about is basically a one-time act of national psychological significance---a kind of collective catharsis, healing, ethnic reconciliation. The symbolic importance of electing a black POTUS would be pretty much confined to the first time it happened.

What you're talking about is assuaging WHITE GUILT. Overcompensating for what SOME whites did back a century and a half ago will only make matters worse just so sopme whites can now "feel good', IMHO

197 jcw46  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:35:51pm

re: #150 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Since this is the OT, I was wondering f anyone could advise me on how to clean the cage of an untamed hamster?

I have leather gloves, and the little bitch bites...will the gloves (kid) protect my digits? Or, should I just chase the little bugger around the cage as I scoop out the old bedding?

I can't believe I allowed my daughter to talk me into this little tailess rodent, but both the daughter and the hamster are cute.....

Vacuum cleaner :> then sadly inform dna investment that "the vacuum cleaner went off by accident. It's in hamster heaven now".
Then get kitten. (if older than about 4).
If that's too blood thirsty, yes gloves will work but use thicker work gloves and use a hamster ball or other container to isolate it in while cleaning. Getting hamster ball and tiring the little bugger out might improve it's attitude. Get cat/kitten; solves all the problems.

198 BaseballMom57  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:35:55pm

re: #5 Racer X

That was awesome! Thanks for the linky! I just forwarded it to everyone in my address book! I'm sure to get some fireballs from my moonbat friends!

199 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:36:06pm

re: #187 Sharmuta

Also- the more she talks about it, even defending it, it's getting more press time. So the "controversy" of discussing it kinda backfires on the msm & 0bama because it's just getting more play.

As it gets more play, we will see the "rehabilitated college professor" whitewash.

The proper response to the "Ayers is mainstream now" defense is to discuss the particulars of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge: how it funded ethnic over academic studies, and the overall improvement in the Chicago schools (or lack thereof).

200 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:36:15pm

re: #180 Occasional Reader

Um... sure, just once... that's the ticket...

(No, more than once, and again, I think that in terms of Boys' Life, I'm in pretty good company. But it was definitely a Goofus thing to do, not a Gallant one.)


Well I did plenty of stupid, nornal crap too as a girl..my point is the line that seperates normal people from Sociopaths is the fact that the true Sociopath must control everything....and he/she take pleasure in seeing the suffering of others...they start on animals almost 100% of the time.

There is a big difference from pouring salt on slugs and feeding live animals to crocs. That boy crossed the line. Hopefully his parents willget him help, but if they are like the average parent today, they are in a full state of denial...I don't know why my son did this...he's such a good boy!

Not to say that they may not be frightened. They may well be. Imagine if this were your child. How difficult would it be for you, or me, to face the fact that you birthed a monster with no conscience?

201 Occasional Reader  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:37:22pm

re: #190 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Chase Scene, "Casino Royale"

Here's that same guy, Sebastian Foucan.

I'm in reasonably good shape, but I think I'd wind up with a concussion and several torn ligaments if I tried to anything remotely like that.

202 Colonel Panik  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:37:42pm

re: #153 alien_mind


well you can't mention maaat daaaaamon with mentioning
Awec Balwin


Don't you mean, "Arec Bahwin"? LOL.

203 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:38:01pm

re: #196 sattv4u2

What you're talking about is assuaging WHITE GUILT. Overcompensating for what SOME whites did back a century and a half ago will only make matters worse just so sopme whites can now "feel good', IMHO

White guilt is not entirely unjustified IMHO.

204 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:38:08pm

re: #184 Occasional Reader

But was it worse than Octopussy?

Discuss.


Waaaay worse then Octopussy.


I mean James Bond in space....puleeze.

Besides, why didn't that blanket float off during the obligatory, shock the boss implied sex scene, at the end of the movie?

205 Occasional Reader  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:38:13pm

re: #192 Shug

and the worst is this new gay guy Craig who is afraid of guns

Umm, we'll have to disagree, to put it mildly. See my previous remarks.

206 USA  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:38:20pm

Show of hands: How many Americans announce their important life plans in the living rooms of unrepentant domestic terrorists?

207 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:38:32pm

re: #191 JammieWearingFool

It could be worse. They could be in Giants Stadium today.

If I were the type to complain a lot, I'd note the Giants have had to punt once today and have settled for three field goals. Other than that, a nice effort.

208 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:38:42pm

re: #199 Who Watches the Watchmen?

As it gets more play, we will see the "rehabilitated college professor" whitewash.

The proper response to the "Ayers is mainstream now" defense is to discuss the particulars of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge: how it funded ethnic over academic studies, and the overall improvement in the Chicago schools (or lack thereof).

I don't know how the American people will feel about spinning Ayers as "reformed" if he's unapologetic, which he is. The msm is free to try, but his own words would refute that spin.

209 J.S.  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:38:47pm

re: #194 Moe Katz

well, from the article, the "evading the alarm system" arose 'cause the kid is short...the sensors, I'm assuming, were arranged to detect taller (as opposed to the 3 foot tall) crowd...

210 TheMatrix31  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:38:51pm

I have such an incredible crush on Sarah Palin.

211 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:39:06pm

re: #183 BBev

I hear y, I lost 30 pounds last year plowing and shoveling that dam snow, I worked so much that I did not have time to go skiing.

global warming climate change

212 debutaunt  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:39:31pm

re: #182 Desert Dog

Doesn't matter, they have already dropped the "Global Warming" tag, it's now "Climate Change". So, if the temps go up or down, it's still man's fault and we will still need to curtail our economies, have massive amounts of money transferred to some unaccountable bureaucracy, and, as Mr. Gore hopes, but lots lots of carbon indulgences to cleanse our troubles souls.

The amazing GWB has actually changed the climate on Mars.

213 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:39:43pm

re: #197 jcw46

Vacuum cleaner :> then sadly inform dna investment that "the vacuum cleaner went off by accident. It's in hamster heaven now".
Then get kitten. (if older than about 4).
If that's too blood thirsty, yes gloves will work but use thicker work gloves and use a hamster ball or other container to isolate it in while cleaning. Getting hamster ball and tiring the little bugger out might improve it's attitude. Get cat/kitten; solves all the problems.


I have a cat. She looks at the cage, when the hamster (Sprinkles) is out and running about on her wheel. I have caught myself wondering if the cat (Jungles) thinks that Sprinkles is a toy or an HorDeVores.

214 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:39:44pm

I could've sworn I was responding to shug and not myself.

215 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:39:50pm

re: #209 J.S.

well, from the article, the "evading the alarm system" arose 'cause the kid is short...the sensors, I'm assuming, were arranged to detect taller (as opposed to the 3 foot tall) crowd...

Okay. I still think that, for a 7-year-old, he showed the kind of fearlessness that you so often find in career criminals.

216 Bobibutu  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:40:05pm

Ha - a note from an old Navy shipmate - I have been feeding my email list with LGF discoveries ... had to share.
-------
BTW... got a note from one of my sons last week;...

"Thank your buddy Bob nnnnn for churning up the dirt on Obama; there was a time I would've voted for him months ago ..."

Apparently you accomplished something I didn't think I was going to "get done"... so, "thanks" from me too.

JL

217 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:40:37pm

re: #210 TheMatrix31

I have such an incredible crush on Sarah Palin.

Keep it up. Before long The Enquirer will report on the torrid affair the two of you are having.

218 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:40:50pm

re: #209 J.S.

well, from the article, the "evading the alarm system" arose 'cause the kid is short...the sensors, I'm assuming, were arranged to detect taller (as opposed to the 3 foot tall) crowd...

how many heads will this kid have in a freezer by the time he's 25?

219 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:40:56pm

re: #210 TheMatrix31

I have such an incredible crush on Sarah Palin.


Me too, and I'm female.

I'm jealous of her shoe wardrobe, too.

220 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:41:52pm

re: #203 Moe Katz

White guilt is not entirely unjustified IMHO.

Why ,,, were you or your forefathers slave owners?
All 4 of my grandparents were born in Europe. All 4 came over when they were yuong-late teens. Non of them owned a slave. All 4 of them worked hard, FROM SCRATCH (my patrenal grandmother came over to be met by signs IRISH NEED NOT APPLY)

Keep your guilt to yourself. Don't burden me or my country with the consequences of it.
As I stated, I will ( and do ) support and vote for AA candidates that are QUALIFIED for the position

221 FrogMarch  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:41:58pm

McCain and Palin have nothing to lose. Pull out all the stops.
Obama is a communist
Obama and his campaign are breaking election laws
Obama is a Soros puppet
Obama is not a liberal - he is a far left-wing progressive
Obama uses brown shirt tactics to stifle free speech
Obama has wasted millions of tax payer dollars in a very short time.
Obama will devastate our military
Obama will be a joke leading our troops
Obama has done everything he can to back stab the efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan
Obama is Nancy Pelosi's personal choice

222 ladycatnip  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:42:36pm

This story on re-defining death makes the ramifications of an Obama election all the more horrifying.

If O becomes POTUS, we'll be living in a Steven King novel.

223 JeremyR  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:42:44pm

re: #6 WhiteRasta

Wild horses could not get me to drink this coffee!

Disgusting! Spit!

[Link: www.truthorfiction.com...]

It has a distinct flavor? I though all coffee tasted like crap.

224 jcw46  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:43:07pm

re: #206 USA

Show of hands: How many Americans announce their important life plans in the living rooms of unrepentant domestic terrorists?


Jane Fonda

225 Desert Dog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:43:18pm

re: #215 Moe Katz

Okay. I still think that, for a 7-year-old, he showed the kind of fearlessness that you so often find in career criminals.

What he did after getting past the alarm system shows he is mentally ill. A boy that does that kind of stuff grows up to beat his wife and children. He will also always abuse animals. And, that is just the beginning. He apparently has no conscience or sense of right and wrong. That kids needs some serious help. And, I am guessing that his parents need some help too. I have a 7 year old and I know exactly where he is at all times....

226 J.S.  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:43:40pm

re: #215 Moe Katz

I think the act was definitely disturbed -- have to look into it -- determine whether the child is subject to abuse (?); are his parents ok?; does the child play lots and lots of violent video games (?); what was the child thinking at the time (?); etc...

227 shibumi  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:43:47pm

re: #181 Shug

The Detroit Lions...........they're not good

That's why we have the Red Wings.

And occasionally the Pistons.

228 Occasional Reader  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:43:52pm

re: #203 Moe Katz

White guilt is not entirely unjustified IMHO.

Guilt is not carried in skin color, blood, or DNA.

I am responsible for MY actions, and mine alone.

Or should I vicariously blame Obama for the actions of those two black guys who tried to mug me in NYC back in '93?

229 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:44:21pm

re: #178 Sharmuta

It's so nice to have a predator as a running mate.

MSM = Media Socialist Mooses

230 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:44:48pm

re: #194 Moe Katz

I think the boldness of breaking into the zoo like that, evading the alarm systems, etc. shows one of the key psychological characteristics of the sociopath---the extreme cool, lack of fear of punishment.

His family has a history with that zoo. Chances are that he his home life is encouraging this sort of behavior.

231 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:44:59pm

re: #228 Occasional Reader

I like that you said, "Tried" to mug you.

232 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:45:14pm

Additionally- the beauty of having Palin discussing this issue is that it will be difficult for the truth squad to stop her. What are they going to do? Threaten the VP candidate? Good luck with that.

233 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:47:14pm

re: #220 sattv4u2

Why ,,, were you or your forefathers slave owners?
All 4 of my grandparents were born in Europe. All 4 came over when they were yuong-late teens. Non of them owned a slave. All 4 of them worked hard, FROM SCRATCH (my patrenal grandmother came over to be met by signs IRISH NEED NOT APPLY)

Keep your guilt to yourself. Don't burden me or my country with the consequences of it.
As I stated, I will ( and do ) support and vote for AA candidates that are QUALIFIED for the position


All of my forefathers were planters, and thus slave owners. Am I proud of it? No. But I refuse to feel guilty about it....it was their lives not mine. I think that we more than attoned for the evils of slavery when we lost our fortunes in the Civil War. Am I bitching about that? No.

Why can't people just move the hell on? It was 150 plus years ago, for fuck sake...get over it. The constant bitching and moaning about the supposed inequality just pisses me off.

I'm not arguing with you, I just get frustrated about the whole race matter. Bigots and racists are FAR outnumbered by colorblind humans.

234 Occasional Reader  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:47:25pm

re: #231 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I like that you said, "Tried" to mug you.

I knocked both of them out cold with my ninja skillz.

Well, okay, not exactly.

Actually, I slapped away the hand of the one guy who had grabbed my jacket lapel, shouted "HEY!" in his face, and they both turned around and walked away.

235 Desert Dog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:47:34pm

re: #232 Sharmuta

Additionally- the beauty of having Palin discussing this issue is that it will be difficult for the truth squad to stop her. What are they going to do? Threaten the VP candidate? Good luck with that.

The MSM has already tried to portray her as a lightweight and a fool. They did that so when she does attack, they can dismiss it. What needs to happen is from McCain on down, the entire Republican apparatus needs to start hammering all of this stuff home. Obama has gotten a pass and that is not right. If he was a white man, he would have been tossed aside a long time ago as too radical, too inexperienced and too wild.

236 Miss Trixie  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:47:55pm

{gettinby} {oldasdirt}

Hey there - what snoo?

237 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:47:59pm

re: #232 Sharmuta

Additionally- the beauty of having Palin discussing this issue is that it will be difficult for the truth squad to stop her. What are they going to do? Threaten the VP candidate? Good luck with that.

They might get Joe after her. Let's hope.

238 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:48:33pm

re: #225 Desert Dog

What he did after getting past the alarm system shows he is mentally ill. A boy that does that kind of stuff grows up to beat his wife and children. He will also always abuse animals. And, that is just the beginning. He apparently has no conscience or sense of right and wrong. That kids needs some serious help. And, I am guessing that his parents need some help too. I have a 7 year old and I know exactly where he is at all times....

Yep. But there's not much that can be done with a kid that's a real sadistic psychopath. Just be thankful yours isn't!

239 J.S.  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:48:47pm

re: #218 spidly

Ok, now...(that would be lizard heads in the freezer, right?) (Once read about Anna Freud's work with children -- there was an orphanage where children, survivors from WWII, who had never had experienced parental love,etc. -- they were all written off as "incurables"...yet, remarkable, incredible success was achieved...)

240 Gorgon Zola  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:49:08pm
241 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:50:04pm

re: #233 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

All of my forefathers were planters, and thus slave owners. Am I proud of it? No. But I refuse to feel guilty about it....it was their lives not mine. I think that we more than attoned for the evils of slavery when we lost our fortunes in the Civil War. Am I bitching about that? No.

Why can't people just move the hell on? It was 150 plus years ago, for fuck sake...get over it. The constant bitching and moaning about the supposed inequality just pisses me off.

I'm not arguing with you, I just get frustrated about the whole race matter. Bigots and racists are FAR outnumbered by colorblind humans.

Isn't your argument with Moe Katz, not me? HE's the one that's promoting voting for a black POTUS just becuase he's a black POTUS candidate!

242 Desert Dog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:50:14pm

re: #240 Gorgon Zola

Test of link tool

If you linked to "Hot Babes with large breasts", it worked!

243 stuiec  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:50:20pm

re: #151 shibumi

Lizards looking for something to do this Sunday should DEFINITELY go see American Carol. I just got back from a matinee and can't recommend it highly enough. Very, very, VERY worthwhile film, with (spoiler alert!) ACLU Zombies.

The film is worth it just for that.

Go see it now Now NOW! Support conservative filmmakers!

/we now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

Yep, the three best segments: ACLU zombies, Cuban healthcare and George Washington in St. Paul's church.

I will admit that I laughed more at Tropic Thunder, but An American Carol is a very good movie.

244 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:50:50pm

Hey everyone!
See Twenglish's spinoff link:
RNC Challenges Obama Campaign Funding

245 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:51:06pm

re: #241 sattv4u2

Isn't your argument with Moe Katz, not me? HE's the one that's promoting voting for a black POTUS just becuase he's a black POTUS candidate!

Yes, it is....sorry, I'm coming in and out of the thread...

246 Colonel Panik  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:51:30pm

re: #126 Moe Katz

I went back and forth on whether I should ding you down or up on this one.

In favor of up: At least you recognize that Obama is the wrong AA candidate for Pres.

In favor of down: This whole "healing America's soul" nonsense sounds like a load of moonbat drivel. And with regards to your other post about "white guilt" I'd have to say I've about had my fill of that concept. Why should any American or Briton feel guilty. Out of 6000 years of recorded human history, where nations and races of all races and creeds enslaved their own or other nations and races, only two nations have acted to end slavery and they did it through military action, the British Royal Navy put an end to the Atlantic slave trade and the American Union Army crushed the Confederacy and ended slavery in America.

Save the guilt for the Arab slave traders who started the whole African trade to begin with.

Net result. Ding down.

247 jcw46  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:51:47pm

re: #213 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I have a cat. She looks at the cage, when the hamster (Sprinkles) is out and running about on her wheel. I have caught myself wondering if the cat (Jungles) thinks that Sprinkles is a toy or an HorDeVores.

Sprinkles? As in those tiny nuggets of "chocolate like material" that it leaves all over?
Who named it?
If child; bonus points for sense of humor. If you; hint to child of what a hamster's main preoccupation's are: IN -- OUT. (oh and sleeping)

Also; cat in residence before procurring hamster? Hmmm. Child selected hamster perhaps in anticipation of reenactment of favorite cartoon? Perhaps "survival of the fittest" as seen on PBS's NOVA.

248 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:52:19pm

re: #234 Occasional Reader

Sounds ninja enough for me.

249 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:52:20pm

re: #228 Occasional Reader

Guilt is not carried in skin color, blood, or DNA.

I am responsible for MY actions, and mine alone.

Or should I vicariously blame Obama for the actions of those two black guys who tried to mug me in NYC back in '93?

Oh, boy, I'm going to the gym and I don't want to get into an acrimonious debate here besides. Let's agree to cordially disagree on this...

250 jcw46  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:52:49pm

re: #220 sattv4u2

Why ,,, were you or your forefathers slave owners?
All 4 of my grandparents were born in Europe. All 4 came over when they were yuong-late teens. Non of them owned a slave. All 4 of them worked hard, FROM SCRATCH (my patrenal grandmother came over to be met by signs IRISH NEED NOT APPLY)

Keep your guilt to yourself. Don't burden me or my country with the consequences of it.
As I stated, I will ( and do ) support and vote for AA candidates that are QUALIFIED for the position

Fixed that for yah!

251 Occasional Reader  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:53:24pm

re: #233 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

All of my forefathers were planters, and thus slave owners

Your Reparations Supplemental Assessment Tax estimate is in the mail.

Please pay promptly. Or else.

Very Truly Yours,

Internal Obama Revenue Service 2009

"We'll leave you with nothing more than CHANGE... you can believe in!"

252 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:53:46pm

re: #239 J.S.

I self deleted my earlier post regarding this child.

253 MartinLeaf  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:53:52pm

McCain is in LaLa land. He thinks sanctions will work against Iran. That is scary.

Of course he is better by far than Obama Bin Biden, but "yet and still", the idea of sanctioning Iran is scary. Only a strike against Irans nuke and missile facilities will work. And btw, Iran is far smarter than the US or Israel, because they have had a law for a year that requires cng for all vehicles. Why aren't we doing that ?

254 Irene NYC  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:53:55pm

re: #203 Moe Katz

White guilt is not entirely unjustified IMHO.


Well, glad to see your racist credentials are out for everyone to see.

You wanna talk Arab and African guilt viz-a-viz slavery. And I'm talking about ongoing slavery. Like TODAY. Oh yeah. Nonexistent topic.

255 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:54:11pm

re: #246 Colonel Panik

I went back and forth on whether I should ding you down or up on this one.

Net result. Ding down.

Ding in good health.

256 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:54:35pm

re: #247 jcw46

Sprinkles? As in those tiny nuggets of "chocolate like material" that it leaves all over?
Who named it?
If child; bonus points for sense of humor. If you; hint to child of what a hamster's main preoccupation's are: IN -- OUT. (oh and sleeping)

Also; cat in residence before procurring hamster? Hmmm. Child selected hamster perhaps in anticipation of reenactment of favorite cartoon? Perhaps "survival of the fittest" as seen on PBS's NOVA.

ROFL...Kid picked name of Hamster...the cat was adopted with her name. I think kiddo thought that a hamster would be a cuddly friend who she could hold and pet....this was short lived when I got the crap bit out of me on day one (chinese dwarf...but BIG teeth). We are taming her now. She actually comes out a couple of times during the day, but her favorite ecercise time is at 3am, on the "noiseless" exercise wheel.


The WD40 will be employed whilst I clean the cage.

257 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:54:58pm

An AP writer faces the blank screen of his laptop.

"Controversial Republican vice-presidential candida..."

Thought balloon: *nah.*

*hmmm...*

"Embattled Republican vice-presidential candidate Saran Palin..."

*nah. too sympathetic.*

"Scandal-plagued G.O.P. vice-presidential hopeful..."

*better. but the scandals aren't really sticking to her...*

"Republican vice-presidential hopeful Sarah Palin today repeated her racist allegation that..."

*Yearrrrggghhh!*

258 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:55:21pm

re: #250 jcw46

Fixed that for yah!

read my #161 where I fixed it myself !

259 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:55:33pm

re: #239 J.S.

Ok, now...(that would be lizard heads in the freezer, right?) (Once read about Anna Freud's work with children -- there was an orphanage where children, survivors from WWII, who had never had experienced parental love,etc. -- they were all written off as "incurables"...yet, remarkable, incredible success was achieved...)

cruelty to animals good warning sign for future Dahmer Jeffrey

260 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:55:38pm

Dammit. San Diego just gave away the game to Miami.

I'm going to have to go get an Arby's Bacon Cheddar Roast Beef sandwich to recover from this one.

261 Sharmuta  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:55:46pm

re: #253 MartinLeaf

Because coming out and saying we're going to strike them is beneficial?

262 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:56:12pm

re: #251 Occasional Reader

Your Reparations Supplemental Assessment Tax estimate is in the mail.

Please pay promptly. Or else.

Very Truly Yours,

Internal Obama Revenue Service 2009

"We'll leave you with nothing more than CHANGE... you can believe in!"


To the Internal Obama Revenue Service:

Stick it!

Sincerely,

The Pulchritudinous Patriot

LOL

263 stuiec  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:56:15pm

re: #203 Moe Katz

White guilt is not entirely unjustified IMHO.

"White guilt" is entirely unjustified. Guilt based on one's own skin color and not based on any of one's own actions is not only unjustified, it's damaging to society.

264 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:56:38pm

re: #260 CyanSnowHawk

I used to love the Beef-N-Cheddar.

265 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:57:27pm

re: #260 CyanSnowHawk

Dammit. San Diego just gave away the game to Miami.

I'm going to have to go get an Arby's Bacon Cheddar Roast Beef sandwich to recover from this one.

OOOOOO! Have a chocolate shake for me! I love their chocolate shakes and I'm on a Cosmo diet!

266 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:58:22pm

re: #264 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I used to love the Beef-N-Cheddar.

You should try it with bacon on it. They managed to find the only way to make it better.

267 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:58:30pm
268 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:58:35pm

re: #206 USA

Show of hands: How many Americans announce their important life plans in the living rooms of unrepentant domestic terrorists?

As opposed to Sarah Palin, who started her political career going door to door in those Wasilla neighborhoods talking to her fellow citizens, while pulling a wagon containing her two small children.

Now who do you most want to see in the halls of presidential power in DC?

269 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:58:45pm

re: #263 stuiec

"White guilt" is entirely unjustified. Guilt based on one's own skin color and not based on any of one's own actions is not only unjustified, it's damaging to society.

I'm a pinkish beige most of the time so I don't have to worry about it

270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:59:08pm

re: #266 CyanSnowHawk

You should try it with bacon on it. They managed to find the only way to make it better.

No. Really. I shouldn't.

271 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:59:28pm

I think I may wait till the hamster is asleep before changing the litter box (yes, they have them! and Sprinkles uses it! Yay!) and the bedding.

The little bitch just nipped me again and I was talking all nice to her and giving her food!

272 JeremyR  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 12:59:31pm

re: #186 J.S.

Well, I don't know -- a seven year old, in terms of moral/emotional development -- who's to say the kid isn't yet able to distinguish fantasy from reality? (way too early to write the kid off as some kind of psycho..imo..and certainly not enough info about the kid...)

Willie hung his little sister
She was dead before we missed her.
Willie's always up to tricks
Aint he cute? He's only six.

273 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:00:05pm

re: #210 TheMatrix31

I have such an incredible crush on Sarah Palin.

Huge girl crush going on here, myself.

;-)

274 uptight  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:00:24pm

Jackie Mason on the vapidity of Obama and Hollywood's support for him.

Primarily this is a response to Sarah Silverman's reasoning that Jews who don't vote for Obama are racist.

275 ladycatnip  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:00:33pm

#226 J.S.

I think the act was definitely disturbed -- have to look into it -- determine whether the child is subject to abuse (?); are his parents ok?; does the child play lots and lots of violent video games (?); what was the child thinking at the time (?); etc...

This child is a classic psychopath, which means he has no conscience, nor feels guilt or empathy. Unfortunately, these are not learned traits - you either have them or you don't. His parents may or may not have had anything to do with it; he also may have been adopted. Good friends of ours adopted a drug addict's baby, had him from birth, nurtured him, loved him, cared for him - but nothing they did could change him, not even the therapy he had most of his childhood. He has no conscience. His behavior finally destroyed their marriage, and he's now in jail.

276 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:00:50pm

re: #270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No. Really. I shouldn't.


Well, since you are a vegetarian, I suppose that , as a fellow lizard and good human, I could make the sacrifice and try one for you.

Cause I love you and all.

277 J.S.  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:01:19pm

re: #259 spidly

Actually, I don't think we really know that. What we do know is that convicted sociopaths/psychopaths (greater than average) do have histories of torturing animals...However (I don't want to sound too pedantic here), that stat tells you absolutely nothing about whether or not those who torture animals go on to commit violent crimes against people...One stat is based on a fact (ie, convicted psychos have histories of torturing animals); the other stat would be based on a prediction (those who torture animals go on to commit violent crimes)...do you see the difference?

278 DeafDog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:01:26pm

re: #263 stuiec

"White guilt" is entirely unjustified. Guilt based on one's own skin color and not based on any of one's own actions is not only unjustified, it's damaging to society.

In 2008, that is correct.

If this were the 1950, however, there might have been something to it. Irony of ironies, however, is that the policies that were put in place to assuage 'white guilt' actually destroyed the black families, creating a semi-permenant underclass.

279 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:02:16pm

re: #270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No. Really. I shouldn't.

Oh. I suppose, given your nic that I failed to notice before, you're not so hot on them anymore.

280 Racer X  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:02:28pm

re: #267 taxfreekiller

The "O" Hole

LOL!

281 DeafDog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:02:30pm

re: #267 taxfreekiller

If the "O" hole cheats his way into the Pres.

lawyer his ass for four years 24/7

How will that help the Ukraine when Russia invades?

282 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:02:36pm

re: #275 ladycatnip

#226 J.S.


This child is a classic psychopath, which means he has no conscience, nor feels guilt or empathy. Unfortunately, these are not learned traits - you either have them or you don't. His parents may or may not have had anything to do with it; he also may have been adopted. Good friends of ours adopted a drug addict's baby, had him from birth, nurtured him, loved him, cared for him - but nothing they did could change him, not even the therapy he had most of his childhood. He has no conscience. His behavior finally destroyed their marriage, and he's now in jail.


Yep...like I said further up the thread.

Sociopaths are a hobby of mine.

283 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:02:54pm

Check out this disgusting ad the California Nurses Union is running:

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

284 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:03:13pm

re: #278 DeafDog

Irony of ironies, however, is that the policies that were put in place to assuage 'white guilt' actually destroyed the black families, creating a semi-permenant underclass.

And could scarcely have done a better job of it than if that was the intent all along...

285 Lively  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:03:18pm

re: #214 JammieWearingFool

I could've sworn I was responding to shug and not myself.

You know what they say. It's okay to talk to yourself, but when you start answering....

286 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:03:39pm
287 rawmuse  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:04:18pm

re: #283 Pvt Bin Jammin

Check out this disgusting ad the California Nurses Union is running:

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

They are pretty high up in the list of reasons why CA. is in the hole.

288 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:04:50pm

re: #274 uptight

Jackie Mason on the vapidity of Obama and Hollywood's support for him.

Primarily this is a response to Sarah Silverman's reasoning that Jews who don't vote for Obama are racist.

She directly refutes the "all Jews are smart" impression. Just can't get into her 3rd grade poo poo pee pee "humor"

289 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:04:53pm

re: #283 Pvt Bin Jammin

Check out this disgusting ad the California Nurses Union is running:

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

Charles, could that be worthy of a thread all its own?

290 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:05:24pm

re: #283 Pvt Bin Jammin

Check out this disgusting ad the California Nurses Union is running:

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

Check out this comment, though:

druu222 said...
Putting out the message that a vote for McCain could result in Sarah Palin being President?

Ummm, which side are these folks on again?

11:02 AM

291 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:05:36pm
292 USA  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:05:53pm
293 Gorgon Zola  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:06:00pm

re: #242 Desert Dog

If you linked to "Hot Babes with large breasts", it worked!

hmmm,,I hadn't thought of that Desert Dog!,,thanks,

294 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:07:10pm

re: #263 stuiec

"White guilt" is entirely unjustified. Guilt based on one's own skin color and not based on any of one's own actions is not only unjustified, it's damaging to society.

I'm off to the gym. My final word here: I think electing a black POTUS, as a one-off symbolic act, would be quite therapeutic for the country. Obama, however, is the wrong individual for the job.

295 Lively  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:07:11pm

re: #275 ladycatnip

#226 J.S.


This child is a classic psychopath, which means he has no conscience, nor feels guilt or empathy. Unfortunately, these are not learned traits - you either have them or you don't. His parents may or may not have had anything to do with it; he also may have been adopted. Good friends of ours adopted a drug addict's baby, had him from birth, nurtured him, loved him, cared for him - but nothing they did could change him, not even the therapy he had most of his childhood. He has no conscience. His behavior finally destroyed their marriage, and he's now in jail.

I know someone else with a similar story (they did not get divorced). They had to give the child back to the state after adopting him because they couldn't take care of him/handle him.

296 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:07:15pm

re: #277 J.S.

Actually, I don't think we really know that. What we do know is that convicted sociopaths/psychopaths (greater than average) do have histories of torturing animals...However (I don't want to sound too pedantic here), that stat tells you absolutely nothing about whether or not those who torture animals go on to commit violent crimes against people...One stat is based on a fact (ie, convicted psychos have histories of torturing animals); the other stat would be based on a prediction (those who torture animals go on to commit violent crimes)...do you see the difference?

Well there is also the bedwetting at an older age and a facination with fire to consider as well. The underlying factor is the feeling that the subject gets when torturing. Also the motivation behind the torturing. The torturing of an animal by a sociopath is often the first step...they know the animal is helpless and they torture for the pure pleasure and power they get from the torture. Normal people are horrified at this behavior and aside from the normal experimentation with salt and slugs, or magnifying glasses and ants,don't engage in this behavior.

Jeffery Dahmer first started with road kill and moved up to killing animals then humans.

297 arethusa  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:07:18pm

I'm watching Fox, and they just showed a clip of McCain attacking Obama by...*quoting Palin on his association with Ayers.*

Huh? He can't say it himself?

298 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:07:21pm

re: #283 Pvt Bin Jammin

Check out this disgusting ad the California Nurses Union is running:

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

was on previous thread too. needs its own thread.

CNU Contact page

press office:
press@calnurses.org

299 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:07:27pm

re: #287 rawmuse

"They are pretty high up in the list of reasons why CA. is in the hole."

I'm sure you're right.

300 Desert Dog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:07:36pm

re: #281 DeafDog

How will that help the Ukraine when Russia invades?

He will get out the silver platter and polish it up for Vlad the Impaler. What will Obama do when Iran closes the Straight of Hormuz? What will he do when Hezbollah start launching missiles into Israel? What will he do when anything like this happens. I can guess with a fair amount of certainty that something like the events mentioned above (or worse) will happen during his first 4 years. And, I can also guess that he will not handle these things well. Unless of course, what he is saying now is just a load of BS so he can get elected. Nothing he has written, done or accomplished tells me he is ready for this position. Nothing.

301 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:08:25pm

re: #292 USA

You won't believe this Palin endorsement!
Go Sarah!

Uh oh - Shelly will probably get the ol' heave ho from the national NOW leaders for that, since they endorsed the O.

302 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:08:37pm

re: #290 Dar ul Harb

I'll have to go back and read the comments....didn't do that yet.

303 babes  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:08:38pm

re: #283 Pvt Bin Jammin

Check out this disgusting ad the California Nurses Union is running:

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

This ad is DISGUSTING! The LOWEST!

304 Sloppy  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:08:47pm

One voice is conspicuously missing in the Ayers controversy: that of Ayers himself. MSM afraid of what he might say?

305 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:09:55pm

Gotta go get the kiddos from their aunt's house. BRB

306 jcw46  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:10:42pm

re: #256 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
Highly recommend hamster ball. Very amusing for everyone; you, the child, the cat AND even the hamster. can put ball in old child playpen = exercise wo banging in walls and stuff plus bigger area than cage. (i dislike cages, they are necessary but they bother me too much)

BTW to other readers; all comments about demise of hamster meant to be humorous. altho am no peta-nut, do strive to avoid accidental life taking of any living beings. (exceptions: mosquitoes; kill on sound, cockroaches; kill on sight. All other living things get care taken and avoidance of being dealt death. biting flies get 1 warning.)

And yes the 7 year old is in need of help. No. 1 priority; removal from family as they are root of actions.

307 Desert Dog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:10:57pm

re: #304 Sloppy

My guess is they have a muzzle on him. Plus, he is keeping his yap shut for his own good too. He probably thought he could leave his past alone. Just wait and see what happens if Obama does get elected. We will hear spews of crap from him, Rev. Wright, et al......they are all holding their tongues until Obama get the win.

308 spidly  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:11:21pm

re: #294 Moe Katz

I'm off to the gym. My final word here: I think electing a black POTUS, as a one-off symbolic act, would be quite therapeutic for the country. Obama, however, is the wrong individual for the job.

sure he'd make it difficult for another black to be elected for a good long while
Jimmah II

309 switter  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:11:47pm

CSS positioning can be a royal pain to get right but once you do it is the way to go, and much easier to maintain. I didn't abandoned tables altogether though. I use them for laying out certain controls like inputs with labels, etc.

310 HD Woman  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:12:27pm

re: #292 USA

You won't believe this Palin endorsement!
Go Sarah!

You're right, had to watch it twice! She must be a PUMA.

311 USA  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:12:29pm

re: #301 Intrepid

Uh oh - Shelly will probably get the ol' heave ho from the national NOW leaders for that, since they endorsed the O.

This could help immensely with undecided Hillary supporters. Good on you, Sarah!

312 FrogMarch  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:12:56pm

re: #5 Racer X

I am so racist for enjoying this guy's rants.

I'm voting for McCain / Palin

I love that guy. Love him.

313 J.S.  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:13:24pm

re: #275 ladycatnip

So you want to label a seven-year-old as a "psychopath"? (In the literature there's currently a huge debate as to whether or not adolescents should ever be given that label -- since it does translate into "incurable". I'm opposed to a loose, any-and-all, labeling of adolescent offenders -- the term will lose all meaning if everyone who does something despicable in the eyes of the public suddenly becomes "an incurable psychopath.")

314 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:13:30pm

re: #306 jcw46

Highly recommend hamster ball. Very amusing for everyone; you, the child, the cat AND even the hamster. can put ball in old child playpen = exercise wo banging in walls and stuff plus bigger area than cage. (i dislike cages, they are necessary but they bother me too much)

BTW to other readers; all comments about demise of hamster meant to be humorous. altho am no peta-nut, do strive to avoid accidental life taking of any living beings. (exceptions: mosquitoes; kill on sound, cockroaches; kill on sight. All other living things get care taken and avoidance of being dealt death. biting flies get 1 warning.)


And yes the 7 year old is in need of help. No. 1 priority; removal from family as they are root of actions.


Well, Am also off to PetSmart to get a ball for the hamster....and gloves, nice thick gloves.

315 right_on_target  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:13:33pm

re: #307 Desert Dog

My guess is they have a muzzle on him. Plus, he is keeping his yap shut for his own good too. He probably thought he could leave his past alone. Just wait and see what happens if Obama does get elected. We will hear spews of crap from him, Rev. Wright, et al......they are all holding their tongues until Obama get the win.

____________________
Obama will probably make Ayers head of the Dept of Education.

316 jcw46  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:14:26pm

re: #258 sattv4u2
YES!
Which is why I felt I was justified in correcting what you wrote. (I don't usually do that).
Just to make the point clearer to any that might miss your previous enumeration of choices.

317 Archimedes  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:14:30pm

re: #208 Sharmuta

I don't know how the American people will feel about spinning Ayers as "reformed" if he's unapologetic, which he is. The msm is free to try, but his own words would refute that spin.


I wonder if the msm agrees with Ayers. Shudder.

318 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:14:58pm

re: #315 right_on_target

____________________
Obama will probably make Ayers head of the Dept of Education Expodification.


/more in tune with his skills

319 alien_mind  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:16:03pm

re: #202 Colonel Panik
haha, yeah yours is better.

320 Bobibutu  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:16:08pm

re: #303 babes

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

This ad is DISGUSTING! The LOWEST!

Ah ... our California Nurses Union at work again.

They redefine the meaning of professionalism.

321 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:16:52pm

re: #318 sattv4u2

Probably 0bama would make Ayers the outreach ambassador to Al Qaeda.

322 DeafDog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:17:31pm

re: #315 right_on_target

____________________
Obama will probably make Ayers head of the Dept of Education.

Speculating on the Obama cabinet is too depressing.

Please, Johnny Mac, come with your best stuff on Tuesday!

323 kevinmumaw  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:17:35pm

So the Obama campaign is getting a challenge on fraudulent campaign donations, finally.

This summer, watchdog groups asked both campaigns to share more information about its small donors. The McCain campaign agreed; the Obama campaign did not. "They could've done themselves a service" by heeding the suggestions, said Massie Ritsch of the Center for Responsive Politics.

Interesting how you make it a central theme of your campaign to boast of all the small donors contributing to your campaign, then when asked exactly who these "small donors" are, they discover modesty. Color me shocked. Does this make me a racist? I need someone from Harvard to make that determination, apparently.

324 Archimedes  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:17:37pm

re: #321 Dar ul Harb

Probably 0bama would make Ayers the outreach ambassador to Al Qaeda.

Ayers would do more than reach out, he'd plan the next attack.

325 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:18:06pm

re: #321 Dar ul Harb

Probably 0bama would make Ayers the outreach ambassador to Al Qaeda.

naahh ,, thats promised to rev. Wright

326 J.S.  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:18:08pm

re: #296 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

You have to put aside anecdotal incidents...they count for Zero, if you want to make a case for using "animal torture" as a predictor variable for deviant, sociopathic behavior...(you'd have to figure out the number of all those people who torture animals, yet who don't go on to become sociopaths...what's that number? the answer is, "we don't know.")

327 looking closely  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:19:47pm

re: #201 Occasional Reader

Here's that same guy, Sebastian Foucan.

I'm in reasonably good shape, but I think I'd wind up with a concussion and several torn ligaments if I tried to anything remotely like that.

I always get a good chuckle that the most popular French sport ("Le Parkour") was designed by the French military as a way to RUN AWAY most efficiently!

328 centerofu  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:20:19pm

re: #264 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nope - a cheeseburger with their special sauce from Bill Grey's. We took a road trip from CA to Vermont to take our daughter back to school, and stopped in Rochester NY specifically to get that burger. And it was just as yummy as I remembered.

329 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:20:20pm

re: #308 spidly

sure he'd make it difficult for another black to be elected for a good long while
Jimmah II

Perhaps, but it would be truly racist to become suspicious of other black candidates because one particular AA president was a jerk, right? Are you suspicious of McCain because he's a WASP, as was Carter?

330 DeafDog  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:20:38pm

re: #323 kevinmumaw

So the Obama campaign is getting a challenge on fraudulent campaign donations, finally.


Interesting how you make it a central theme of your campaign to boast of all the small donors contributing to your campaign, then when asked exactly who these "small donors" are, they discover modesty. Color me shocked. Does this make me a racist? I need someone from Harvard to make that determination, apparently.

It's notable that this is Newsweek.

The Obama Campaign response - We return it whenever we get caught red-handed, but otherwise we spend it.

331 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:20:49pm

re: #292 USA

You won't believe this Palin endorsement!
Go Sarah!

WOOOOOOOO HAH!
Heard about earlier today, but this is the first video of it I've seen!
Thanks!

If there are any PUMAs on the fence after this gets out, they will probably get a bit lonely.

MSM or no, the PUMAs will see that this gets out to the Democratic voters.

332 Shug  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:21:30pm

re: #297 arethusa

I'm watching Fox, and they just showed a clip of McCain attacking Obama by...*quoting Palin on his association with Ayers.*

Huh? He can't say it himself?

Somebody tell Sen McCain what watching him go out of his way to lose as a "nice guy" is torturing me.

and I know how he feels about torture

333 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:23:44pm

re: #329 Moe Katz

Perhaps, but it would be truly racist to become suspicious of other black candidates because one particular AA president was a jerk, right? Are you suspicious of McCain because he's a WASP, as was Carter?

But YOU want us to ELECT a black as President just because of the ills placed upon blacks in our history!

wow ,,,,,, just wow !

334 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:24:19pm
335 kevinmumaw  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:25:10pm

If you need any more proof that Al Qaida has lost its effectiveness, this may be it.

"A crisis whose primary cause, in addition to the abortive and unsustainable crusades they are waging in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iraq, is their turning their backs on Allah's revealed laws, which forbid interest-bearing transactions, exploitation, greed and injustice in all its forms."

Seriously.

336 michael.098762001  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:25:18pm

Useful Idiots of the Academic Left get 633 signatures so far on this petition. [Link: www.supportbillayers.org...]
My fave is H. Bruce Franklin, editor of, "The Essential Stalin, " a mass market pb. from '72.

337 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:25:35pm

re: #323 kevinmumaw

So the Obama campaign is getting a challenge on fraudulent campaign donations, finally.


Interesting how you make it a central theme of your campaign to boast of all the small donors contributing to your campaign, then when asked exactly who these "small donors" are, they discover modesty. Color me shocked. Does this make me a racist? I need someone from Harvard to make that determination, apparently.

And that's not all, see Twenglish's spinoff link listed in my:
re: #244 pre-Boomer Marine brat

338 BBev  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:26:05pm

re: #210 TheMatrix31

I have such an incredible crush on Sarah Palin.

Ya me too.

339 jcw46  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:27:17pm

re: #269 spidly

I'm a pinkish beige most of the time so I don't have to worry about it


YES! My thoughts exactly for quite some time. I look in the mirror and I'm not WHITE. In summer some parts of me even get a slight brown tone. Otherwise I'm beige or in those secret places where the sun don't get to; it's beigish white.

I would like to start a push back on the term "White People". Who exactly do they mean? They're not black just like I'm not white. Having lived in the poorer sections of most towns, I have discovered that many "people of color" are more race conscious among themselves than the "whites" that they point fingers at. What most folks encounter as far as prejudice is "not-like-what-we're-comfortable-with" reactions and also the perceptions in majority/minority situations. If you're in the minority then you will come up against more bad/hurtful majority people. Except in the realm of crime. There, sadly, minorities are about 11-15% of pop. but commit 30-45% of crime. These are not conviction stats, these are from eyewitness and victim accounts. Recall Jesse Jackson's comment about being relieved to see 3 white guys behind him at night and not 3 black guys.

340 Moe Katz  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:27:52pm

re: #333 sattv4u2

But YOU want us to ELECT a black as President just because of the ills placed upon blacks in our history!

wow ,,,,,, just wow !

I am going to print this and ponder it while I'm on the treadmill. Perhaps the increased circulation to the brain will enable me to make sense of it.

341 right_on_target  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:28:47pm

re: #323 kevinmumaw

So the Obama campaign is getting a challenge on fraudulent campaign donations, finally.

Interesting how you make it a central theme of your campaign to boast of all the small donors contributing to your campaign, then when asked exactly who these "small donors" are, they discover modesty. Color me shocked. Does this make me a racist? I need someone from Harvard to make that determination, apparently.

_____________________________
Read the comments on Newsweek's website. The one I like is ......


Posted By: jimster @ 10/05/2008 3:51:31 PM

Comment: How come when I order something online, I have to specifiy my "real" NAME & ADDRESS exactly as it is onfile with my Credit Card Company or the order is not processed, but the Obama types just take the numbers and run the charge "no questions asked"?

This sounds like either incompetence (in which case he's not qualified to be president), or (in the style of Chicago mob politics) is willfully turning a blind eye to these schemes in order to get more money (in which case someone should be going to jail-- either from the campaign or the "real" donors-- which can be found very easily with their credit card number).

Think about this a little further. Because of the way the Obama types accept donations-- people could even be using STOLEN CREDIT CARDS... Why would they setup a donation system that would encourage something like this?


He makes a valid point. Can you imagine getting a Credit Card statement with a charge from the Obama campaign because your number was stolen and used without your name attached?

342 kevinmumaw  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:28:59pm

Oh, who saw the Colts-Texans game today? Wow.

343 kevinmumaw  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:29:42pm

re: #341 right_on_target

I think I would have a minor coronary.

344 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:29:51pm
345 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:30:45pm

re: #344 buzzsawmonkey

I tried putting on the endorsement of Lavrenti Beria, of GPU, but who knows whether it will make it through.

LOL!

346 TheMatrix31  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:31:10pm

re: #342 kevinmumaw

Oh, who saw the Colts-Texans game today? Wow.

I'm a Texans fan.

347 Intrepid  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:31:35pm

Oooh - skeery. Obama's surrogates are mad as hell at Sarah Palin for dissin' the O by bringing up the Ayers association.

"This is going to be a month, I think, of character assassination," Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., an Obama supporter, said on CBS's "Face the Nation."

Wow, Dianne, you're a bit slow on the uptake, aren't ya? The last six weeks have been absolutely filled with smears, only they were against Sarah Palin, Todd Palin, Bristol Palin and Baby Trig Palin by extension.

But those don't count in Dem-land because they were against the conservative, regardless of whether or not they were true.

Bringing up Obama's association with Bill Ayers is unacceptable, even if it is true. It's racism.

Please, folks - let's roll up our sleeves these last four weeks and do all we can to drag Mac over the finish line first! SarahCuda will protect our six.

348 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:31:39pm

re: #340 Moe Katz

I am going to print this and ponder it while I'm on the treadmill. Perhaps the increased circulation to the brain will enable me to make sense of it.

For what you propose, I do recommend you take a long walk!

349 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:32:25pm

re: #344 buzzsawmonkey

I tried putting on the endorsement of Lavrenti Beria, of GPU, but who knows whether it will make it through.

Did you use your shoe to hit the Enter key?

350 wright1  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:33:04pm

I hope that we begin to hear a lot about this meeting between Michelle, BHO and Ayers so that we can better understand how BHO "hardly knows him".

[Link: sweetness-light.com...]

And, what the heck is this? Some kindo of Lord of the Flies training camp for Obama Youth? (Militant Obama youth march to 'Alpha, Omega' chant
Teen boys in uniform drill, shout, profess, 'Yes we can')

351 jcw46  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:33:40pm

re: #315 right_on_target

____________________
Obama will probably make Ayers head of the Dept of Education.


Homeland Security.

352 FrogMarch  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:33:50pm

re: #176 FrogMarch

Lizards! I would like to report that AN AMERICAN CAROL is great! The movie trailer doesn't do the movie justice. The movie is
very funny and clever and well worth seeing!


Highlights: Rosie O'Donnell makes a documentary about the episcopalian suppository bomber and Hilter sings kumbaya to Nevil Chamberlain. Good stuff. Trace Adkins is a tall drink of water.

Bump.

Other highlights include: the Columbia university left-wing indoctrination dance scene - and the ACLU lawyers as zombies scene.

353 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:34:05pm

re: #351 jcw46

Homeland Security.

whose homeland?

354 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:35:15pm
355 wright1  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:35:21pm

Here is the link for Obama boot camp - [Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

356 jcw46  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:35:21pm

re: #327 looking closely

I always get a good chuckle that the most popular French sport ("Le Parkour") was designed by the French military as a way to RUN AWAY most efficiently!

Isn't "French Military" a contradiction in terms?

357 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:36:04pm

re: #341 right_on_target

I wonder how many Obama donations came from people facing foreclosure. They couldn't make the house note, but had enough to send some cash to Obama.

358 jcw46  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:36:24pm

re: #344 buzzsawmonkey

I tried putting on the endorsement of Lavrenti Beria, of GPU, but who knows whether it will make it through.


Isn't that GRU?

359 Dasher  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:37:14pm

re: #80 Intrepid

American Thinker has a good post today on MSM and how we should view them.

THEY ARE THE ENEMY!

I was at a congressional debate last week. I was sitting right behind a row of the press. I don't recall the comment that precipitated my remark which was "The press IS the enemy!" in a low voice (my voice carries) but loud enough for those near me to hear. I got quite a look for the row in front of me.

360 Tamron  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:37:29pm

re: #315 right_on_target

Obama will probably make Ayers head of the Dept of Education.


--Or Secretary of State.
.

361 kevinmumaw  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:37:40pm

re: #346 TheMatrix31

I'm a Texans fan.

Ooh, ouch. Rosenfels is lacking in all-around awareness. Houston played a damned good game, the QB lost it almost single-handedly, unfortunately, IMO. On the last Texans' touchdown drive, I watched as he stretched the ball out while on his back with one hand. That's when I knew something wasn't right with that guy. That's a move out of junior high.

362 looking closely  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:38:28pm

re: #132 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Casino Royale was the best Bond movie made in a long, long while.

I just dusted off someold copies of Dr.No (1962) and From Russia with Love (1963), and not only is it amazing how well they hold up 45 years later (though with some shades of "Austin Powers"), but how much better they are then most of the crap Bond action movies from the 80s and 90s.

A little plot and character depth goes a lot further than fancier explosions and ridiculous gadgets.

363 Archimedes  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:38:32pm

re: #334 buzzsawmonkey


Here's what happens when Palin doesn't ask Biden why, if global warming is "manmade," they have global warming on Mars.

Global warming is one of those issues I've studied quite a bit, which is why I'm not happy with McCain for jumping on this bandwagon. You're right about the Mars point, but in addition the idea that most scientists believe in it (the catastrophic kind, which is the only kind that counts) is highly dubious.

You may have seen the petition project on the matter, signed by some 31 thousand scientists: [Link: www.petitionproject.org...]

Also, try geologist Bob Carter's lecture. This is the best lecture I've seen on AGW:

364 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:38:58pm

re: #354 buzzsawmonkey

Unfortunately, the heel mashed too many other keys. I had to give the Enter key the finger instead.

I notice at least three people on that list who are apparently currently affiliated with my old high school, which is not pleasing.

So the shoe is a Crushchev? ... right ... forgot about that.

My condolences on the HS.
Would I be bragging to say that I'd be safe?
(Camp LeJeune HS, heh)

365 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:38:59pm
366 wright1  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:39:01pm

re: #360 Tamron

--Or Secretary of State.
.

The Department of Child Indoctrination

367 Shug  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:40:11pm

re: #315 right_on_target

____________________
Obama will probably make Ayers head of the Dept of Re-Education.

fixed.

coming to a camp near you, Spring and Summer 2009

368 Tamron  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:40:17pm

re: #300 Desert Dog

What will Obama do when Iran closes the Straight of Hormuz?


Let me guess. Uhhhh, advise America to increase the tire pressure in our cars?
.

369 BBev  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:40:21pm

re: #338 BBev

Ya me too.

My Mom who is now 80 wants to have the same glasses as Sarah, my Mom knew Jackie O and had spent time at the Kennedy compound with my Dad is elated that we have such a good person running for VP . I never took her for a feminist , I love you Mom and thank you for crossing the isle.

370 SurferDoc  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:41:34pm

re: #269 spidly

I'm a pinkish beige most of the time so I don't have to worry about it

I'm a nice, toasty California Desert Beige, myself, about a half-shade darker than one of my AA friends (not to mention she is my part-time boss). Once in a while someone will remark that I am darker that she is. Me, I just keep my mouth shut about it for a few good reasons.

371 TheMatrix31  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:41:37pm

re: #361 kevinmumaw

Ooh, ouch. Rosenfels is lacking in all-around awareness. Houston played a damned good game, the QB lost it almost single-handedly, unfortunately, IMO. On the last Texans' touchdown drive, I watched as he stretched the ball out while on his back with one hand. That's when I knew something wasn't right with that guy. That's a move out of junior high.

I don't even have the words to describe what I feel right now.

372 looking closely  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:41:53pm

re: #339 jcw46

You may be "white", but I'm "European American".

As ridiculous as that sounds, it makes a certain sense given the increase in numbers of Americans from all over the planet of various skin hues.

373 Scion9  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:42:01pm

re: #203 Moe Katz

White guilt is not entirely unjustified IMHO.

Any guilt that one has over things that they are not actually responsible for is always entirely unjustified. The only people that should feel guilty over historic injustice is those that feel that those things were justified and morally acceptable. By default, those people are racists, and are not going to feel guilty anyway. That shame is on them, not me. Even then, that shame is only extended to those living and breathing today, and not their ancestors nor should it be passed down to their descendants.

The entire concept of racial inclusiveness is racist. There were white abolitionists from the inception of institutionalized slavery. Given time, they won that fight. In the end, the side of good triumphed over evil, and it is triumphing more and more, every day of every year. I'm no more connected to those abolitionist ancestors than I am the slavers of the past, but given the opportunity to in life I have certainly ideologically and morally sided with the former, not the latter. I shoulder no burden of guilt because harbor not hatred.

The injustices of the past are there as lessons for us to move forward, not as wounds to slow us down. Those that sow discord with racially divisive rhetoric; those that need the catharsis of a black President above all things are morally on the same side as those that committed those historical injustices they claim to want to 'correct'.

Saying Affirmative Action is 'ok' as long as both parties are qualified itself is just as bad. So, if you put up two candidates for a position, and both are equally qualified, the white one should be disqualified because of the color of his skin?

Affirmative Action isn't combating racism. It's just additional racism. You can't legislate away hatred. You can't pass laws that tell people to respect each other and act as decent human-beings. The vast majority of the time, there should not be political solutions to cultural problems.

MLK did more to bridge gaps than Affirmative Action, the NAACP, Scholarship programs ever did. He did it by winning hearts and minds. He didn't write anything into law that would force people to pretend to respect him. He just flat out earned their respect.

Forcing my hand into hiring someone based on quotas rather than my judgement, and denying me education and employment based on the color of my skin by the federal government doesn't earn my respect. Quite the opposite. Do you really think that if people like Sharpton, Jackson, Obama, etc really have their way in terms of getting recompense and forcing equality that it will heal anything? Do you really think that a single black President in 230 years will really be enough?

I grew up in Baltimore, and I know my fair share of Sharptons and Michelle Obamas and other Community Organizer types. Its not about correcting historic injustices. It's about revenge. The same world view that makes Fisk believe that he deserved to get beat by Muslim thugs, is the same exact world view that fuels white guilt.

That world view has absolutely nothing to do with taking the lessons of history to heart. It is all about hatred. I don't feel I need to, or should want to feel commiseration with those that hate and I certainly don't feel guilty for that perspective either. Anyone who does, has not taken the lessons of history to heart in my opinion.

374 wahabicorridor  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:42:58pm

What the hell is going on? Iceland has just crashed. Yeah. The country.

Iceland is on the brink of collapse. Inflation and interest rates are raging upwards. The krona, Iceland's currency, is in freefall and is rated just above those of Zimbabwe and Turkmenistan. One of the country's three independent banks has been nationalised, another is asking customers for money, and the discredited government and officials from the central bank have been huddled behind closed doors for three days with still no sign of a plan. International banks won't send any more money and supplies of foreign currency are running out.

Party's over, turn out the lights

375 kevinmumaw  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:43:26pm

re: #355 wright1

Here is the link for Obama boot camp - [Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

What planet is this?

376 Dasher  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:43:27pm

re: #369 BBev

My mom, who is 93 (94 next month) kept wondering all summer who to vote for. She didn't want to vote for McCain, and would never vote for Obama. I advised her to just vote for those down ticket. When Sarah Palin came on board, she said, thank god, I am going to vote for McCain now.

377 rightymouse  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:43:49pm

re: #369 BBev

My Mom who is now 80 wants to have the same glasses as Sarah, my Mom knew Jackie O and had spent time at the Kennedy compound with my Dad is elated that we have such a good person running for VP . I never took her for a feminist , I love you Mom and thank you for crossing the isle.

OMG! My MIL just ordered a pair of Palin glasses. She is the most non-political person I know but is adamantantly supportive of Sarah. She's one of the women that the Donks badly underestimate - a smart woman who worked, raised three children, has her own business now and still plays tennis several times a week and she's in her mid 70's.

378 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:44:19pm
379 Caplady  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:44:32pm

I have not gotten to see A C yet--hope too this week. BUT I know that I will be buying it for Christmas to replace a tradition of watching NL Christmas Vacation---Chevy is definitely off my viewing list!

380 rightymouse  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:45:14pm

PIMF - adamantly. Am really having trouble typing today. lol!

381 Dasher  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:45:30pm

re: #379 Caplady

I have not gotten to see A C yet--hope too this week. BUT I know that I will be buying it for Christmas to replace a tradition of watching NL Christmas Vacation---Chevy is definitely off my viewing list!

I have no idea what you just said.

382 SlartyBartfast  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:45:48pm

By the MSM's logic, Charles Manson could have hosted BHO's first fund raiser! After all, BHO was only 8 years old when Charles Manson's "family" murdered a half dozen people in Los Angeles...and Charlie didn't kill anybody!

383 wright1  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:46:07pm

re: #375 kevinmumaw

What planet is this?

If I knew that, I would be part of the Alpha & Omega - only selected individuals have been imparted the knowledge and wisdom of Barakus.

384 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:46:07pm

re: #373 Scion9

UP-DING ... with a regret that I can only give ONE!

Well said!

385 Peter Verkooijen  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:47:17pm

I use the following for a table-less three column layout:

.header {
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
height: 100px;
width: 100%;
}
.leftbar {
float: left;
margin: 0;
padding: 0 1% 1% 2.9%;
width: 24%;
overflow: hidden;
}
.mainbar {
float: right;
margin: 0;
padding: 0 1% 1% 1%;
width: 70%;
overflow: hidden;
}
#left {
float: left;
width: 59%;
margin: 0;
padding: 0 2% 2% 2%;
overflow:hidden;
}
#right {
float: right;
width: 31%;
margin: 0 1% 0 0;
padding: 0 2% 2% 2%;
overflow:hidden;
}
.footer {
clear: both;
width: 85%;
min-height: 150px;
}

With id="left" and id="right" used to split the mainbar or any other div in two.

386 BBev  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:47:22pm

re: #374 wahabicorridor

What the hell is going on? Iceland has just crashed. Yeah. The country.

Party's over, turn out the lights

I was thinking of going there for a vacation soon, I have friends that live there also, what can we do to help?

387 jcw46  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:47:49pm

re: #372 looking closely

You may be "white", but I'm "European American".

As ridiculous as that sounds, it makes a certain sense given the increase in numbers of Americans from all over the planet of various skin hues.


Well no, I'm BEIGE! Don't get me started, hyphenated Americans is another pet peeve!

Anyone born here = citizen of U.S.A. = American
Anyone naturalized citizen = citizen of U.S.A. = American
If you came here from another country and
are not a citizen of U.S.A. = Not An American

I hope that clears that up.

388 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:48:06pm

re: #385 Peter Verkooijen

I'll have to take your word for that,,, whatever the hell that word means !

389 arethusa  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:48:35pm

Rasmussen has a new poll out...59% of voters would replace ALL of Congress if they could.

I'm with them.

390 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:49:29pm

re: #389 arethusa

Rasmussen has a new poll out...59% of voters would replace ALL of Congress if they could.

I'm with them.

and i'll wager if all those were asked, they would replace YOUR congressperson, not theirs !

391 right_on_target  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:49:41pm

re: #355 wright1

Here is the link for Obama boot camp - [Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

_________________________
What's really scary is the "Alpha - Omega", elevating Obama to diety status.

392 wahabicorridor  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:49:42pm

re: #386 BBev

I was thinking of going there for a vacation soon, I have friends that live there also, what can we do to help?

Apparently, you can give the banks all your money. Jeez. It looks like they are literally broke. I remember reading a few articles in the Financial Times some months ago about currency troubles in Iceland, but the gov't kept insisting it was due to predatory short sellers.

Guess not.

393 BBev  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:49:42pm

re: #376 Dasher

and Rightmouse.

So can we trust the polls? I think not!

394 TheMatrix31  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:50:35pm

re: #381 Dasher

I have no idea what you just said.

They has not seen "An American Carol" yet, but they will buy it around Christmas to replace "National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation" as their Christmas-film tradition, because Chevy Chase is off their viewing list.

395 wright1  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:50:37pm

re: #386 BBev

I was thinking of going there for a vacation soon, I have friends that live there also, what can we do to help?

Keep contributing to global warming and their economy will be more suitable for tourism

/not

396 HD Woman  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:51:22pm

re: #352 FrogMarch
A great movie makes you laugh, and cry and THINK. American Carol is a great movie. I laughed almost all the way through, walked out with wet cheeks.... made it all the way to the restroom before the almost uncontrollable sobbing started. I will be haunted a long time by the unnamed ghosts scene at the end - so I'm giving money to all my younger relatives to go and watch this movie.

397 kevinmumaw  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:51:24pm

re: #371 TheMatrix31

I don't even have the words to describe what I feel right now.

Well, on the plus side, Mario Williams looks like a one man wrecking crew.

398 stuiec  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:51:41pm

re: #278 DeafDog

In 2008, that is correct.

If this were the 1950, however, there might have been something to it. Irony of ironies, however, is that the policies that were put in place to assuage 'white guilt' actually destroyed the black families, creating a semi-permenant underclass.

Let's get down to cases. If "white guilt" is a valid concept in any sense, then isn't "Democrat guilt" even more powerful? After all, it was the Democrat Party that created Jim Crow and protected the lynch mobs of the South. The Democrats were perfectly happy to include in their number Orval Faubus (standing in the schoolhouse door in Little Rock), George Wallace ("Segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever!") and Robert Byrd (the former Grand Kleagle who is now the Democrat's choice for President Pro-Tempore of the U.S. Senate).

If people whose skin happens to be white today (or happened to be white in 1950) are culpable for everything evil done in the name of White supremacy, how much more so the people who VOLUNTARILY joined the political party that stood for that very brand of evil?

399 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:51:49pm
400 wright1  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:52:04pm

re: #391 right_on_target


Well, he always was a G-d - don't ya know?

401 yah  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:52:55pm

re: #350 wright1
They are the first of the new national militia that Obama wants to be at least as large as our military. They will be the ones that take away our guns, radios, and Bibles.

And I am not making a joke.

402 arethusa  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:53:06pm

re: #390 sattv4u2

and i'll wager if all those were asked, they would replace YOUR congressperson, not theirs !

My Congressman is Keith Ellison. I definitely want him replaced.

403 kevinmumaw  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:54:45pm

re: #391 right_on_target

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What's really scary is the "Alpha - Omega", elevating Obama to diety status.

I just watched the Omega Man for the first time a coupple days ago. These kids look like "the Family". I guess that makes Obama Mathias.

404 Archimedes  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:55:03pm

re: #385 Peter Verkooijen

I use the following for a table-less three column layout:


With id="left" and id="right" used to split the mainbar or any other div in two.

Very exciting. :D

405 BBev  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:55:11pm

re: #392 wahabicorridor

Apparently, you can give the banks all your money. Jeez. It looks like they are literally broke. I remember reading a few articles in the Financial Times some months ago about currency troubles in Iceland, but the gov't kept insisting it was due to predatory short sellers.

Guess not.

That really sucks. Looks like we are all in a world of troubled times.

406 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:55:13pm
407 kevinmumaw  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:55:25pm

re: #399 buzzsawmonkey

Obama will rebuild the country from the ground up.

Of course, it'll have to be ground up first.

Just like The Family, in The Omega Man?

408 Tamron  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:55:31pm

re: #387 jcw46

Well no, I'm BEIGE! Don't get me started, hyphenated Americans is another pet peeve!

Anyone born here = citizen of U.S.A. = American
Anyone naturalized citizen = citizen of U.S.A. = American
If you came here from another country and
are not a citizen of U.S.A. = Not An American

I hope that clears that up.


Ho-kay, then where does Obama fit in that description?

[Link: www.obamacrimes.com...]


...Obama would have been required to file applications with the U. S. State Department and follow the legal procedures to become a naturalized citizen in the United States, when he returned from Indonesia. If Obama and/or his family failed to follow these procedures, then Obama is an illegal alien.

Regardless of whether Obama was officially adopted, (which required a Court process), by his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, or his birth was acknowledged (which only required the signing of a birth acknowledgement form), by Lolo Soetoro, one of which had to occur in order for Obama to have the name Barry Soetoro and his citizenship status listed as “Indonesian”, in either and/or both cases Obama’s name was required to be changed to the Indonesian father’s name, and Obama became a natural citizen of Indonesia. This is proven by the school records in Jakarta, Indonesia showing

Obama’s name as Barry Soetoro and his citizenship as Indonesian. Again, the registration of a child in the public schools in Jakarta, Indonesia was verified with the Government Records on file with the Governmental Agencies...


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409 stuiec  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:55:55pm

re: #379 Caplady

I have not gotten to see A C yet--hope too this week. BUT I know that I will be buying it for Christmas to replace a tradition of watching NL Christmas Vacation---Chevy is definitely off my viewing list!

Please do see it this week -- today would be the best, if at all possible. The box office numbers for the opening weekend and the first entire week will have a huge impact on whether the film stays in theaters and whether similar films get made in future.

410 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Oct 5, 2008 1:55:59pm