Fish or Pole?
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Some very cool politically informed graphics from design student Heather Mantovani, at Andy Rutledge’s place: Design in the Sociopolitical Arena.

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Images | Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 6:27:50 pm PDT
Some very cool politically informed graphics from design student Heather Mantovani, at Andy Rutledge’s place: Design in the Sociopolitical Arena.

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CynicalConservative Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:29:55pm |
Ahhh, fishing.... Maybe I don't work tomorrow...
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Cap'n DOC Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:30:12pm |
Okay, folks. Fish or cut bait! To fish one must have a pole or a seine. I prefer the pole. More sporting. Does a fish caught on a pole taste differently than one taken in a seine?
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Idle Drifter Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:30:57pm |
I don't need a fish or a fishing pole. I use dynamite, baby!
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:32:02pm |
Would have been nice if the republican candidate had a similar message.
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Cap'n DOC Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:32:32pm |
re: #6 Cap'n DOC
Damn! Forgot the sarc tag. Do I get a do-over?
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Irene NYC Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:32:43pm |
I was just thinking about this yesterday. It must be in the air.
"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."
The Chinese were onto something there...
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:33:19pm |
re: #3 Cap'n DOC
Okay, folks. Fish or cut bait! To fish one must have a pole or a seine. I prefer the pole. More sporting. Does a fish caught on a pole taste differently than one taken in a seine?
Scientific studies have discovered that fish, caught on a pole and hook, goes through much more trauma than fish caught in a seine, which causes some metabolic changes that can effect the taste of the fish when cooked.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:33:34pm |
re: #7 Killgore Trout
Would have been nice if the republican candidate had a similar message.
It's just as much 0bama's message. He wants to had out free fish. Oh- and he'll tax anyone with a pole.
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:34:04pm |
I'd like ta go fishin' and smokin' and drinkin' with Tom Waits...
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Cap'n DOC Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:35:56pm |
re: #12 Walter L. Newton
I don't know how the Game Warden would look on my cartin' a seine to my favorite fishin' spot, Walter. I've timed my retrievals through the ice, and I'd say the trauma on average lasts about 30 seconds. After that, they be dead.
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:36:02pm |
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:36:11pm |
re: #14 Sharmuta
It's just as much 0bama's message. He wants to had out free fish. Oh- and he'll tax anyone with a pole.
Should be "hand out free fish".
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ArmyWife Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:36:11pm |
re: #12 Walter L. Newton
How 'bout a big ol gun. What does that do to the metabolic levels?
/why I eat venison
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:36:28pm |
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Irene NYC Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:36:39pm |
re: #17 MandyManners
I wonder if BHO's ever fished.
I don't know about that, but his wife says he has stinky feet.
/I know there's a connection there somewhere.
;)
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zato Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:36:43pm |
Yes! No handouts! The Barry Obama socialist policies don't work in the long run.
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CynicalConservative Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:36:57pm |
re: #17 MandyManners
I wonder if BHO's ever fished.
Just in our wallets for re-distribution "donations"
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Sgt.Slappy Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:37:10pm |
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jorline Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:37:56pm |
OT...sorry, but..................
Mahoney audio, you work at my pleasure, OK...call what's her name, OK...your fired, OK?
Isn't it illegal for Mahoney to threaten her by withholding her last paycheck?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:38:07pm |
re: #21 ArmyWife
How 'bout a big ol gun. What does that do to the metabolic levels? /why I eat venison
Ah, I made that answer up. I should have used a sarc tag. But, if any scientist HAVE studied catching fist, I bet it was financed by money from a democratic rider to a bill.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:38:39pm |
re: #27 jorline
OT...sorry, but..................
Mahoney audio, you work at my pleasure, OK...call what's her name, OK...your fired, OK?
Isn't it illegal for Mahoney to threaten her by withholding her last paycheck?
Not if she didn't put out!
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:38:49pm |
re: #14 Sharmuta
Agreed. A decent conservative candidate would have embraced this (or something like it) as an ad campaign. It's hip, easy to understand and it's a marketable concept. Instead McCain is parroting Obama's 'yes we can' and "change" slogans instead of coming up with something himself. This isn't a million dollar ad campaign thought up my high paid marketing experts. This is from some idiot's blog! (apologies to the idiot and his blog, they're both fantastic I'm sure) But why isn't this McCain's core message? There are tons of great ideas out there. Pick one!
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jorline Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:38:59pm |
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Idle Drifter Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:39:07pm |
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FrogMarch Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:39:16pm |
re: #15 FrogMarch
Awesome.
I love this.
whoa - If you actually go to "youcan" dot com - you get:
YouCan.com
+ YouCan.net
+ YouCan.ws
is for Sale at $999,999.00
I don't have that kind of money.
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BakaRanger Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:40:10pm |
If you're a vegetarian is the choice a carrot or a stick?
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:40:39pm |
re: #30 Killgore Trout
This could have been McCain's campaign song: John the Fisherman
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:41:32pm |
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formercorpsman Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:41:54pm |
re: #30 Killgore Trout
Yes, thank you.
A simple, yet relevant message transcending class, education, and understanding.
Back to basics.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:42:04pm |
re: #38 Walter L. Newton
That was clever Walter.
Well, thank you. It's a little quiet in her tonight.
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jorline Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:42:23pm |
re: #29 Walter L. Newton
Not if she didn't put out!
How are you, Walter?
May be I missed the /sarc?
That's not the point of the conversation. He's telling if she doesn't call what's her name he'll withhold her last check.
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:42:34pm |
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Meremortal Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:42:38pm |
Want to see something wonderful this evening?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:42:45pm |
re: #40 Walter L. Newton
Well, thank you. It's a little quiet in her tonight.
Yes, it is. I saw Killgore, but he was talking to himself, see message #30.
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formercorpsman Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:42:48pm |
Now I am off to look at my neighbor's ankle.
Ever since Barry said it is a right, well,....
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Palandine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:43:02pm |
re: #17 MandyManners
I wonder if BHO's ever fished.
He says in his Field and Stream interview (where he stupidly [for him] let the mask slip that he's a collosal gun-grabber) that he spear-fished in Hawaii, but never in Illinois.
/Palandine's still recovering from a great episode of House. She has a huge crush on Hugh Laurie
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Gang of One Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:43:03pm |
re: #10 Irene NYC
I was just thinking about this yesterday. It must be in the air.
"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."
The Chinese were onto something there...
This is also in Pirke Avot -- Sayings of the Fathers ... Judaism 301
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FrogMarch Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:43:17pm |
re: #30 Killgore Trout
He's 72. We have to push him across the finish line so we don't have to live with a inept socialist and his inept and corrupt congress for 4-8.
Otherwise, I agree with you. McCain - heck -republicans in general - have an aversion to updating and modernizing the conservative message. It's way past time.
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ggt Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:43:34pm |
repost from downstairs:
good Evening Lizards! It was a glorious day in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicago today. The Fall colors are in full bloom.
From the posts downstairs it seems the Obama campers are feeling some competition from McCain/Palin.
How are you-all tonite and what are we talking about?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:43:36pm |
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Archimedes Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:43:42pm |
re: #36 BakaRanger
If you're a vegetarian is the choice a carrot or a stick?
Vegetarian -- an old Indian word meaning "bad hunter".
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:43:44pm |
re: #30 Killgore Trout
I'm not so certain that would work anyways. Too many people are willing to take the free fish because they don't equate it with dependence nor the dangers that dependence really means.
I still think people want cheap energy for their cars and homes. They want job security. 0bama's not going to help with either, and I think McCain should hammer him on it.
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jorline Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:44:02pm |
re: #32 MandyManners
LOL...let's hope Joe is resting comfortably in the "Villages" this time next year.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:44:16pm |
re: #39 formercorpsman
It's not complicated and it's not expensive. Great marketable versions of "conservatism" are out there. In fact they're a dime a dozen for those who know where to look. I'm not even a conservative and it's plain for me to see. What's the deal with the rest of you?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:44:30pm |
re: #41 jorline
How are you, Walter? May be I missed the /sarc?
That's not the point of the conversation. He's telling if she doesn't call what's her name he'll withhold her last check.
Yes, I was being silly. I'm in a silly mood today. I'm trying to get my dose of silly in before the debates tomorrow night.
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ggt Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:45:08pm |
re: #43 Meremortal
Internet Explorer will not display --or can't. I don't know which.
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3 wood Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:45:10pm |
OT: LIBOR rates show some signs of easing.
Money-market tensions begin to ease
LONDON (MarketWatch) -- Key short-term lending rates fell slightly again Tuesday, raising hopes that massive government bailouts and wide-ranging debt and deposit guarantees will soon begin to thaw the world's frozen interbank lending markets.
The London interbank offered rate, or Libor, for three-month dollar-denominated loans fell to 4.635% from 4.725% Monday, while the one-month rate declined to 4.46875% from 4.56%.
Tuesday's easing is welcome news, but money-market rates "are still very high," said Zach Witton, an analyst at Moody's Economy.com, in a research note.
Libor is closely followed as a measure of borrowing costs in the interbank market.
This is a good sign but the rates are still very high.
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jorline Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:45:21pm |
re: #38 Walter L. Newton
That was clever Walter.
LMAO...Walter, you scare me when you answer yourself.
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tedzilla99 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:45:47pm |
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:45:50pm |
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spidly Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:46:03pm |
re: #10 Irene NYC
I was just thinking about this yesterday. It must be in the air.
"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to
fishfill out 100 ballots for a fish thief and you feed him for alifetimefew more days."The
ChineseACORN's were onto something there...
fixed for Huffpo and Kos
other peoples fish are less tasty but the time saved allows for more Xbox
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FrogMarch Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:46:21pm |
re: #49 Meremortal
Rats, link no work...grrrrr
Try this.
[Link: www.flixxy.com...]
you had an extra . in there.
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Spider Mensch Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:46:32pm |
re: #46 Palandine
He says in his Field and Stream interview (where he stupidly [for him] let the mask slip that he's a collosal gun-grabber) that he spear-fished in Hawaii, but never in Illinois.
/Palandine's still recovering from a great episode of House. She has a huge crush on Hugh Laurie
emptying his stapler into a gold fishbowl does not qualify him as a spear fisher. but thats the obama way. just like his grandpappy/uncle liberating aushwitz...this man is the king of lies.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:46:33pm |
If they hand you a fish. It is generally a stinky, smelly, bad fish that you don't want.
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jorline Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:46:47pm |
re: #57 Walter L. Newton
Yes, I was being silly. I'm in a silly mood today. I'm trying to get my dose of silly in before the debates tomorrow night.
Silly on, brother!
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3 wood Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:46:48pm |
The Nikkei in Tokyo is down 100 points so far after the open.
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Sevoguy Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:46:57pm |
NO PLACE ELSE TO PUT THIS UNTIL AN OVERNIGHT THREAD IS CREATED.
Off Topic:
Just saw BODY OF LIES and just maybe Hollyweird is starting to understand the threat that radical Islam poses to Western Civilization. I sat watching this movie thinking that the word is finally going to get out to the public about this cancer we lizards call ISLAMISM.
Sorry-------no link to post.
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:47:08pm |
re: #51 Walter L. Newton
That's slang for "in here."
ah..you speak in the vernacular..I can dig it...
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:47:08pm |
re: #10 Irene NYC
I was just thinking about this yesterday. It must be in the air.
"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."
The Chinese were onto something there...
A friend in the Thai Army of all places is fond of saying, "Build a man a fire, you keep him warm for an hour; set a man on fire, you keep him warm for the rest of his life."
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tradewind Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:47:38pm |
Let's keep the cartoon thing going......
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:47:52pm |
re: #53 Sharmuta
I'm not so certain that would work anyways. Too many people are willing to take the free fish because they don't equate it with dependence nor the dangers that dependence really means.
Americans have a long tradition of self reliance and independence. These character traits are fading just because nobody's celebrating them anymore but they are still very relevant to our national psyche. How about conservatives embracing these values again? If I have to hear one more "conservative" whine about losing because the press isn't fair I'm going to shit a pickle!
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JohnAdams Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:48:16pm |
How old is this graphic artist?
I've been saying repeatedly that I've met no one under the age of 30 who is not in lock-step for The One.
Will she refute my bare hold on bitterness to the "utes."
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:48:52pm |
re: #71 Shiplord Kirel
A friend in the Thai Army of all places is fond of saying, "Build a man a fire, you keep him warm for an hour; set a man on fire, you keep him warm for the rest of his life."
I heard this one...
Give a man a shot of arsenic, and you...
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Palandine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:49:04pm |
re: #65 Spider Mensch
emptying his stapler into a gold fishbowl does not qualify him as a spear fisher. but thats the obama way. just like his grandpappy/uncle liberating aushwitz...this man is the king of lies.
Says something about him and his relationship with boomsticks that he couldn't even fake being a sportsman, like J F'n K tried to.
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cblesz Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:50:00pm |
OK...PLEASE McCain call out Obama on the $250,000...the commercials are evrywhere!
Anyone know what came of Corsi's damning evidence?
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saberry0530 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:50:13pm |
re: #35 FrogMarch
whoa - If you actually go to "youcan" dot com - you get:
YouCan.com
+ YouCan.net
+ YouCan.ws
is for Sale at $999,999.00I don't have that kind of money.
We can set up a payment plan if you need it.
//////
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lawhawk Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:50:25pm |
re: #59 3 wood
High as compared to when? I ran a LIBOR chart here from 2000 to 2008, and rates go from 7 in 2000 to 1 in 2003/2004, and are now around 4.5.
Going back to 1987 (earliest that that site works), the rates got over 10 in 1989.
I guess what I'm trying to figure out is the context of LIBOR and why these particular rates are considered high.
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jorline Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:50:34pm |
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tradewind Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:50:35pm |
re: #42 joecitizen
Think 'rat cheer'.
As in 'Drop your ACORN registrations in this shoe box rat cheer '. **
** right here, for yankees
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:51:00pm |
re: #76 Palandine
Says something about him and his relationship with boomsticks that he couldn't even fake being a sportsman, like J F'n K tried to.
When JFnK went into the woods and carried out those poor birds (that someone else shot for his sorry ass) for a photo op, it made me as angry as I have ever been during a campaign.
Actually pissed me off more than anything that "The One" has done. And "The One" has pissed me off before.
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Spider Mensch Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:51:02pm |
re: #76 Palandine
Says something about him and his relationship with boomsticks that he couldn't even fake being a sportsman, like J F'n K tried to.
you really know what obamas favorite sport is? whatever michele tells him his favorite sport is.
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JustMyView Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:51:24pm |
re: #17 MandyManners
I wonder if BHO's ever fished.
He says that he went fishing with his grandfather.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:51:27pm |
re: #78 cblesz
OK...PLEASE McCain call out Obama on the $250,000...the commercials are evrywhere!
Anyone know what came of Corsi's damning evidence?
I saw one tonight that claimed McCain will raise the middle-class family's taxes a HUGE amount.
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soccerdad Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:51:51pm |
wow....now it is credit card fraud. Has the discourse in this country devolved this much that not only do people (on BOTH SIDES) steal votes, but are engaging in CC fraud?
Couple Challenges $2300 Credit Card Charge to Obama Campaign
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David Simon Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:52:28pm |
re: #30 Killgore Trout
But why isn't this McCain's core message?
With over half the U.S. population reliant on the government for a significant portion of their income, it's a hard sell. To her credit, Sarah Palin brought up the subject of personal responsibility in her debate with Plugs. But she still felt the need to temper it by making "greedy Wall Street" the villainous focal point.
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cblesz Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:52:48pm |
re: #86 MandyManners
I saw one tonight that claimed McCain will raise the middle-class family's taxes a HUGE amount.
It is all just plain freaking lies and he gets away with it...if I am an average Joe and do not know any better...I think, yup Obama is MY GUY
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sharp_discernment Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:52:59pm |
It's sad, but MANY people are content just to get the fish, rotting or not.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:53:06pm |
re: #73 Killgore Trout
Americans have a long tradition of self reliance and independence. These character traits are fading just because nobody's celebrating them anymore but they are still very relevant to our national psyche. How about conservatives embracing these values again? If I have to hear one more "conservative" whine about losing because the press isn't fair I'm going to shit a pickle!
Hey- I agree. I don't know what it's been about the press in the last 8 years that's made any republican think they were going to be fair this year. These are the cards we've been dealt, and it's better to deal with them as they are than whine about the cards we wish we had.
Personally- I'd like the Eeyores to stop- to shut up, buck up and do what they can to help defeat 0bama. I'd like to see the so-called republican pundits stop- to shut up, buck up and do what they can to help defeat 0bama. Once we keep this man out of the White House, we can work on what we need to do to fix our "product" to the American people, but 3 weeks before the election is not the time to solve this problem. It's too late. We should have started dealing with it in November 2004. It's waited this long, it can go 3 more weeks, but we have to defeat 0bama first.
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:53:10pm |
re: #82 tradewind
Think 'rat cheer'.
As in 'Drop your ACORN registrations in this shoe box rat cheer '. **** right here, for yankees
like the cats from the north during the civil war who couldn't comprehend the southern boys sayin' they were 'fightin' for our rats..'
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tradewind Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:53:19pm |
You can't make this shiite up:
Fox News just ran a crawl that said
' Grateful Dead members drum up support for Obama'
The irony.....
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:53:26pm |
re: #87 soccerdad
BIG OBAMA IS RIPPING US OFF!
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soccerdad Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:53:46pm |
re: #14 Sharmuta
It's just as much 0bama's message. He wants to had out free fish. Oh- and he'll tax anyone with a pole.
So does than mean women get away untaxed?
/ducks
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FrogMarch Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:54:04pm |
re: #86 MandyManners
I saw one tonight that claimed McCain will raise the middle-class family's taxes a HUGE amount.
The left have learned that they have to lie about taxes. They finally get it .
It won't matter. Once democrats are elected, they raise taxes.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:54:13pm |
re: #90 sharp_discernment
It's sad, but MANY people are content just to get the fish, rotting or not.
As long as the one you got is rotting too.
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offendi Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:54:29pm |
re: #17 MandyManners
I wonder if BHO's ever fished.
He just makes them magically appear with wine, after he walks on water of course.
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Meremortal Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:54:39pm |
re: #62 Walter L. Newton
How are you today?
Hey Walter. I'm very well, except I'm having problems posting a link to an awesome video. And you?
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willowone Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:54:48pm |
i am praying i'm not asked to load the fish-hook.
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gmsc Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:54:52pm |
For those who missed the good news from the previous thread:
BREAKING: 6th Circuit reverses on TRO (devastation, humiliation for Jennifer Brunner)
A 3-judge panel of the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals recently vacated a temporary restraining order which would effectively make Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner follow the law - and do her job - in preventing election fraud. Tonight, the full court decided to hear the case en banc, and has reimposed the TRO. This is great news.
Here are some highlights:
"So far as this record is concerned, the Secretary has given no tenable exlanation why her current interpretation of the statute, as opposed to the office's prior implementation of the law, remotely furthers the anti-fraud objective of the law."
The Ohio Republican Party's position is "not only sensible but it is also fair - and it also furthers both objectives of HAVA ..."
The court mocks Brunner's defense as "[t]he bureaucrats' lament - that this will be difficult to do."
UPDATE: In looking at the decision, it appears the full court voted 9-6 to hear the case en banc (which means all of them). I'd say the 9-6 vote is a good sign, but doesn't necessarily mean the case will end that way. Tonight's decision has been described as the opportunity to "live and fight another day." But in the world of temporary restraining orders, if you have it, that's all that matters for the time being. And the time being is what is crucial right now.
Second point - the initial district court decision got some press because the judge found that Brunner was actually violating the law. That dialogue was snuffed out by the subsequent reversal. But now it's back. When you run into Jennifer Brunner on the street, you can ask her why she's violating federal election laws.
UPDATE 2: Here's a link to the decision (pdf).
Independent verification of this:
Temporary restraining order reimposed in Ohio voting scandal
Federal court: Ohio must check voter registrations (Warning: AP version)
Judge Rules Against Ohio Elections Official in Battle Over Voter ...
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:54:57pm |
re: #88 David Simon
With over half the U.S. population reliant on the government for a significant portion of their income, it's a hard sell. To her credit, Sarah Palin brought up the subject of personal responsibility in her debate with Plugs. But she still felt the need to temper it by making "greedy Wall Street" the villainous focal point.
Half of the population of America is on governmental assistance?
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JeremyR Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:54:57pm |
re: #10 Irene NYC
I was just thinking about this yesterday. It must be in the air.
"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."
The Chinese were onto something there...
The Minnesota version is Give a man a fish you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will be gone all afternoons and most weekends so there will be peace in the house.
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ArmyWife Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:54:58pm |
re: #35 FrogMarch
I have a paypal account. If you simply make your non-tax deductible donations to that, I promise to buy this link and make it one humdinger of a website. Trust me. Go ahead, take out your credit cards.
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Pechon Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:55:04pm |
I really like both ads and I'd love to see a similar ad campaign in the future. It's about time the GOP gets back to party basics and tells the public that we're a party about empowerment and not entitlement.
re: #12 Walter L. Newton
Technically yes, if you fight the fish too much, it builds up lactic acid in its muscles and in some cases can be deadly. That's why its important to set the drag correctly on the reel and if you're really concerned, mash down the barbs on your hooks to allow the fish to throw it if it fights too much. Most fish survive catch-and-release if an angler is careful and doesn't handle the fish too much.
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J.S. Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:55:05pm |
re: #50 ggt
Full moon tonight...Canadian election polls have closed (Harper may not have a majority -- may be back to a minority government...although may have to wait a few more hours to find out who's out/who's in...Elizabeth MoonBat May of the Green Party has conceded defeat! shocking! She's not gonna be Canada's next Prime Minister! ! !
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Jim in Virginia Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:55:19pm |
re: #59 3 wood 3wood- Brian Williams yesterday predicted two years of 8% unemployment. But gas is down to 2.75 a gallon, which is as good as a shiny new stimulus check.
Go out on a limb here- what's going to happen?
My theory: if the western economies fall off the cliff, we catch a cold, the EU falls apart, and China has a bloody new Revolution.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:55:27pm |
re: #89 cblesz
It is all just plain freaking lies and he gets away with it...if I am an average Joe and do not know any better...I think, yup Obama is MY GUY
Joe Blow's not that stupid.
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3 wood Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:55:38pm |
re: #80 lawhawk
I guess what I'm trying to figure out is the context of LIBOR and why these particular rates are considered high.
The spread between LIBOR and the US discount rate is the key. It means that the UK banks don''t want to loan money to each other and the is still freezing the credit market. The fact that the rates are dropping is a good sign, but still there is a long way to go.
Over all thought today was a great day, I shot a 74 this afternoon. with 4 birdies.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:55:43pm |
re: #95 soccerdad
So does than mean women get away untaxed?
/ducks
I didn't find this funny. Would you say this to Sarah Palin?
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David Simon Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:56:43pm |
re: #59 3 wood
OT: LIBOR rates show some signs of easing.
Money-market tensions begin to ease
This is a good sign but the rates are still very high.
Wow. At LIBOR plus 8.5%, we taxpayers are making a killing on "our" loan to AIG. ;->
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JohnAdams Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:56:58pm |
re: #73 Killgore Trout
Americans have a long tradition of self reliance and independence. These character traits are fading just because nobody's celebrating them anymore but they are still very relevant to our national psyche. How about conservatives embracing these values again? If I have to hear one more "conservative" whine about losing because the press isn't fair I'm going to shit a pickle!
You touch upon a few competing movements here. Absolutely, the America of Washington, Jefferson, Emerson, Thoreau, Whitman, formed the base of who we are as a people. This is the wildcat soul of America and especially conservatism. And yet fewer and fewer people even know what this is. They know they are "conservative," because they know inherently what is right. But they don't have the backing of the true founding spirit of this country to really hold them up. This is because this stuff is not taught in schools anymore today. It's all about "the world and our place in it."
Once we no longer teach American history, we no longer have America. It's just another part of the "international community of nations."
Among the young, the widespread ignorance is shocking and disgraceful. They are getting the world they wish, and it is because we, their elders (and not implacating anyone here, many of whom tried to do the right thing), we did not do a good enough job of educating them.
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solomonpanting Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:57:00pm |
The list of Liberal definitions on the second postcard immediately reminded me of the questionnaire in the movie The Parallax View, whereby potential assassins are screened after answering pages of a psycological profile.
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Palandine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:57:04pm |
re: #108 MandyManners
Joe Blow's not that stupid.
Amen.
McCain wins election night. I'm 75% sure of it.
/and 100% sure I'm getting drunk regardless
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Ojoe Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:57:12pm |
Well the Towercam is on the fritz, so here is some pointless fun instead.
and/or
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Shr_Nfr Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:57:37pm |
I am glad somebody finally got reel with their graphics.
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ArmyWife Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:57:47pm |
re: #102 MandyManners
I'm with you. Link please? I just do not buy this. I don't know anyone on any sort of gov't assistance, and you would think I could point to SOMEONE if 50% of the population was getting a handout.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:57:49pm |
re: #96 FrogMarch
The left have learned that they have to lie about taxes. They finally get it .
It won't matter. Once democrats are elected, they raise taxes.
I hope people think back to Carter.
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jorline Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:58:13pm |
re: #107 Jim in Virginia
3wood- Brian Williams yesterday predicted two years of 8% unemployment. But gas is down to 2.75 a gallon, which is as good as a shiny new stimulus check.
Go out on a limb here- what's going to happen?
My theory: if the western economies fall off the cliff, we catch a cold, the EU falls apart, and China has a bloody new Revolution.
Good call Brian Williams...gas is $2.56 a gallon here.
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:58:18pm |
re: #110 Sharmuta
I didn't find this funny. Would you say this to Sarah Palin?
lighten up, Francis...
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goddessoftheclassroom Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:58:56pm |
Good night, dear Lizards. I'm praying for the best outcome for America.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:59:01pm |
re: #101 gmsc
Something occurred to me today.
Are there going to be police at polling stations. Officials at polling stations are generally (in my area anyway) little old men and ladies. I can imagine the little old ladies and gentlemen who check IDs and stuff are (in many areas) going to be intimidated by voters.
Something else, why do I always try to spell voters v-o-t-o-r-s? Cause it sounds like motor?
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:59:06pm |
re: #108 MandyManners
Joe Blow's not that stupid.
I hope you are right.
It seems Alinsky has worked so far... Republicans are straight-jacketed by a need for truth. If an Obama "problem" is reported as having happened on a Tuesday but he really did it on a Wednesday, the charge itself is dismissed.
Meanwhile, Obama gets to lie with impunity.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:59:12pm |
re: #116 Palandine
Amen.
McCain wins election night. I'm 75% sure of it.
/and 100% sure I'm getting drunk regardless
I just wish it would hurry up and happen. I feel like a little kid waiting for Christmas.
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David Simon Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:59:43pm |
re: #102 MandyManners
Half of the population of America is on governmental assistance?
I wouldn't put it quite that way. The figure includes people who have government jobs.
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gmsc Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:59:51pm |
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jorline Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:59:53pm |
re: #125 goddessoftheclassroom
Good night, dear Lizards. I'm praying for the best outcome for America.
{goddess}
How are you tonight?
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willowone Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:00:11pm |
re: #112 David Simon
does that mean we will get "stuff" or we will have a bigger gvt, to Tell us if we need money and what for?
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twincitiesgirl Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:00:13pm |
re: #129 MandyManners
I just wish it would hurry up and happen. I feel like a little kid waiting for Christmas.
or Halloween
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:00:29pm |
"Build a man a fire and he will be warm today.
Set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life."
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/Old Fire Dept proverb.
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3 wood Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:00:33pm |
re: #107 Jim in Virginia
Go out on a limb here- what's going to happen?
My theory: if the western economies fall off the cliff, we catch a cold, the EU falls apart, and China has a bloody new Revolution.
We have a recession for about 9 months to a year (longer if Obama wins and raises taxes), the European Union collapses, severe downturn in the UK and Ireland, the DOW bounces between 8500 and 9500 for the next 3 quarters, China and Japan are in a world of hurt, oil drops to around $60 a barrel and Chavez gets his in an uprising in Venezuela.
Iran's economy implodes.
An everything still gets blamed on Bush.
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JohnAdams Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:00:50pm |
re: #121 MandyManners
I hope people think back to Carter.
These people don't even know who Carter is.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:01:02pm |
re: #120 ArmyWife
I'm with you. Link please? I just do not buy this. I don't know anyone on any sort of gov't assistance, and you would think I could point to SOMEONE if 50% of the population was getting a handout.
Does drawing SS count?
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FrogMarch Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:01:09pm |
re: #104 ArmyWife
I have a paypal account. If you simply make your non-tax deductible donations to that, I promise to buy this link and make it one humdinger of a website. Trust me. Go ahead, take out your credit cards.
Well, you're an Army Wife - so sure. Where do I sign?
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arethusa Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:01:17pm |
re: #120 ArmyWife
I'm with you. Link please? I just do not buy this. I don't know anyone on any sort of gov't assistance, and you would think I could point to SOMEONE if 50% of the population was getting a handout.
"Half of Americans on government assistance" sounds like one of those states where they're including anything that could be construed as "assistance": Social Security, disability, student loans from the government, etc., etc.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:01:32pm |
re: #128 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
I hope you are right.
It seems Alinsky has worked so far... Republicans are straight-jacketed by a need for truth. If an Obama "problem" is reported as having happened on a Tuesday but he really did it on a Wednesday, the charge itself is dismissed.
Meanwhile, Obama gets to lie with impunity.
He's not gonna' win.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:01:38pm |
re: #91 Sharmuta
.....we can work on what we need to do to fix our "product" to the American people, but 3 weeks before the election is not the time to solve this problem. It's too late.
Indeed. Believe it or not I've been holding back on my criticism of McCain and Republicans. Wait until after the election, I have some things to say.
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arethusa Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:01:48pm |
re: #126 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Something else, why do I always try to spell voters v-o-t-o-r-s? Cause it sounds like motor?
Motor votor law?
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lawhawk Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:01:50pm |
re: #109 3 wood
The spread between LIBOR and the US discount rate is the key. It means that the UK banks don''t want to loan money to each other and the is still freezing the credit market. The fact that the rates are dropping is a good sign, but still there is a long way to go.
Over all thought today was a great day, I shot a 74 this afternoon. with 4 birdies.
Thanks... and nice score... haven't played golf all year... hit a few golf balls a few weeks back, but that was to get frustration out more than to work on my game...
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:01:50pm |
re: #130 David Simon
I wouldn't put it quite that way. The figure includes people who have government jobs.
Really? Link?
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Archimedes Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:01:51pm |
re: #89 cblesz
It is all just plain freaking lies and he gets away with it...if I am an average Joe and do not know any better...I think, yup Obama is MY GUY
Rush made a good point regarding the banks who are handing out the home loans. How can it be "greed" to give money to people who likely won't pay it back?
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jcm Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:02:10pm |
On of my favorite warbirds has retired.
Say goodbye to the MH-53 Pave Low, and hello to the CV-22 Osprey.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:02:25pm |
re: #134 twincitiesgirl
I just wish it would hurry up and happen. I feel like a little kid waiting for Christmas.
or Halloween
It never was agony waiting for Halloween for me.
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gmsc Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:02:29pm |
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:02:48pm |
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arethusa Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:03:36pm |
re: #142 Killgore Trout
Indeed. Believe it or not I've been holding back on my criticism of McCain and Republicans. Wait until after the election, I have some things to say.
We all will, the first time a President McCain does something McCain-ish. But I want him to be able to be McCain-ish in the White House at least.
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FrogMarch Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:03:44pm |
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:03:53pm |
re: #124 joecitizen
No. We have assholes running around in "Sarah Palin is a c***" t-shirts, and I for one am sick of sexist jokes.
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:04:09pm |
re: #137 JohnAdams
These people don't even know who Carter is.
After I had given Little Reject an extensive overview of the 1970's (when I went to college) she realized how much of a disaster a (G*d forbid) BO administration would be.
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solomonpanting Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:04:16pm |
re: #118 Shr_Nfr
I am glad somebody finally got reel with their graphics.
Especially when they're cast in a good light.
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Idle Drifter Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:04:20pm |
re: #136 3 wood
300 years from now, talking apes will dig up tome stones inscribed: "IT'S BUSH'S FAULT!"
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Occasional Reader Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:04:21pm |
This ad is racist.
Note that the fishing pole is brown.
Obama is a brown-skinned man.
This is subliminal message to racist, white Rethuglicans that Obama plans to "whip out" his long, brown pole, and ravish pure white women, in the big "Massa" house on the plantation.
Racist, racist, racist.
/Awaiting my tenured position at Columbia U. English Dept.
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PETN Sandwich Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:04:24pm |
Peace Corps (para),
Give a man a fish, he will have dinner for a day;
Teach a man to fish; he will have dinner for life.
Given that the Proclaimed One is such a fan of the Peace Corps, Its support for Bread, rather than growing crops, makes me want for the Circuses even more.
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twincitiesgirl Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:04:37pm |
re: #148 MandyManners
me either-- it's whether it will be trick or treat?
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Lively Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:05:06pm |
If you give a man a fish you feed him for a day. If you teach a man to fish, you get rid of him for the weekend.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:05:06pm |
re: #142 Killgore Trout
Indeed. Believe it or not I've been holding back on my criticism of McCain and Republicans. Wait until after the election, I have some things to say.
I've never been a McCain fan. I'm willing to give him a chance to bring the republicans back to their reforming Washington ways, but I will be holding the man's feet to the fire.
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ArmyWife Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:05:16pm |
re: #138 MandyManners
I wouldn't consider it as such Though not a fan of the SS system for philosophical reasons, its there and most who are receiving paid into it to begin with, even those getting it for a disability related reason. This is different than welfare. And honestly, there are people on welfare who legitimately need help for a bit. I wish it was handled through other private charities rather than taxes, but so be it. Its those on welfare for the twelvity-fourth time because they just had baby number 5 and aren't quite sure who to go after for child support that I struggle with the most!
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3 wood Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:05:18pm |
re: #144 lawhawk
Thanks... and nice score
With the season winding down I do not have to worry about protecting my torn rotator cuff so much, so I went back to a full swing and let it rip today. Had drives of between 260 and 300 yards all day, depending on the wind.
Driver - 9 iron is a fun way to play.
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David Simon Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:05:30pm |
re: #120 ArmyWife
I could point to SOMEONE if 50% of the population was getting a handout.
Yep. Except I didn't write "handout." Here's a link (and btw, I don't agree with the headline):
[Link: archive.newsmax.com...]
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arethusa Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:05:37pm |
I have just found the perfect remedy for my irritation at Alan Colmes/random liberal pundits on TV. I stack my cat's catnip mice (she has many) beside me, and throw them at Colmes et al. every time they misrepresent something. And my cat gets some exercise chasing the mouse. Perfect.
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:05:58pm |
re: #154 Sharmuta
No. We have assholes running around in "Sarah Palin is a c***" t-shirts, and I for one am sick of sexist jokes.
that's quite a stretch, shar..the man was goofin' fer crissake....for the record,none of those idiots would enjoy meeting me wearin' one of those, I believe violence has it's place...
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:06:00pm |
re: #153 FrogMarch
I know I do!
I was just a kid but, I remember the gas problems and hearing my dad bitch about inflation.
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Jim in Virginia Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:06:24pm |
re: #136 3 wood
We have a recession for about 9 months to a year (longer if Obama wins and raises taxes), the European Union collapses, severe downturn in the UK and Ireland, the DOW bounces between 8500 and 9500 for the next 3 quarters, China and Japan are in a world of hurt, oil drops to around $60 a barrel and Chavez gets his in an uprising in Venezuela.
Iran's economy implodes.
An everything still gets blamed on Bush.
Information dissemination (Navy blog; sorry, too tired to find the link) a month or so ago predicted the mullahs would soon need to do something (sink an oil tanker, attack a US Navy ship) to make oil prices spike. I put Putin in the same condition.
Whoever wins the election will have his hands full. shape. ran
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:06:25pm |
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:06:29pm |
re: #169 joecitizen
It's not a sexist joke to say women don't fish?
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3 wood Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:06:33pm |
re: #81 jorline
Oh yes, I saw that and linked it the other night. Great site, thanks.
Did you notice what the futures are doing?
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JohnAdams Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:06:35pm |
re: #150 MandyManners
Who are "these people"?
Jaysus, Mandy. Sorry to be so unspecific, but where I'm at, I'm SURROUNDED by them. They are sub-30 years of age, were raised by the flippin Mutant Ninja turtles, Teletubbies, Ward Churchills and Bill Ayers. Where I'm at, I'm the loneliest guy at the ball.
"Those" people. And I mean that with all due respect.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:06:36pm |
re: #161 twincitiesgirl
me either-- it's whether it will be trick or treat?
I just wish time would go faster.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:06:37pm |
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PETN Sandwich Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:06:55pm |
re: #163 Lively
Great minds read the Proclaimed One's platform.
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Noam Sayin' Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:07:01pm |
I see a whole host of rotating catch-phrases in that second one.
Are we still calling them rotating titles?
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WrathofG-d Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:07:04pm |
OT:
Although I am against the murder of anyone, and the killing of most people, I really think attacking Avigdor would be a horrible thing for both the Israelis & the Phakestinians. Some of Avigdor's friends are the types of Israelis you don't want to piss off if you are an Arab. This act could have the result of turning the Arab-Israel situation into something unbearable.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:07:06pm |
re: #169 joecitizen
And fercryingoutloud- all I said was I didn't find it funny.
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David Simon Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:07:09pm |
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arethusa Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:07:11pm |
re: #164 Sharmuta
I've never been a McCain fan. I'm willing to give him a chance to bring the republicans back to their reforming Washington ways, but I will be holding the man's feet to the fire.
I've always been a McCain fan, but I'm not as sure as I was in 2000 that he will be a good President. He'll be a decent one, though, and much better than the alternative, as you say.
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Metal Man Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:07:33pm |
Is your politician handing you a fish or a pole. The third option, they hand you dynamite and tell you to chose.
No one in this town could register any independents except the One. The Attorney asked him how he did it. The One told the attorney that he would take him registering independents the next day. Once they got to the middle of the city the One took out a stick of dynamite, lit it, and threw it to acorn. After the explosion independents started registering. The One took out a net and started picking up the voters. The Attorney told him that this was illegal. The man took out another stick of dynamite and lit it. He then handed it to the Attorney and said " Shut up and Vote!".
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Shr_Nfr Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:07:38pm |
re: #112 David Simon
Libor as reported has been under question now for a while. The rates that the banks actually charge each other and the rates that they report as the Libor have been shown to be different. As far as making money on AIG, it will happen if they get enough from the sale of the subs to pay down the uber-preferred that got issued. If you do your research very, very, very carefully, you may be able to find some preferreds issued by some of their subs that are trading at a substantial discount to par. However, you have to assure yourself that the sub is going to be one of the ones sold and you also have to make sure that the dividend is not deferrable. The last point is not as important as one might think, since the covenants on the preferred shares almost always bar the company from paying a dividend to the shareholders, here the company that bought the sub, while the preferred dividend is unpaid. However, the buying company could play the game of not taking any dividends from its sub for a long, long time and try to build the sub up. Hence, a cumulative, at a minimum, preferred is the way to go. As for the AIG stockholders, they should find someplace to put that brown drippy bag they are holding.
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3 wood Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:07:39pm |
re: #172 Jim in Virginia
Information dissemination (Navy blog; sorry, too tired to find the link) a month or so ago predicted the mullahs would soon need to do something (sink an oil tanker, attack a US Navy ship) to make oil prices spike
Their problem is they can't overcome the dropping demand. It's really plummeting.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:07:42pm |
re: #165 ArmyWife
I wouldn't consider it as such Though not a fan of the SS system for philosophical reasons, its there and most who are receiving paid into it to begin with, even those getting it for a disability related reason. This is different than welfare. And honestly, there are people on welfare who legitimately need help for a bit. I wish it was handled through other private charities rather than taxes, but so be it. Its those on welfare for the twelvity-fourth time because they just had baby number 5 and aren't quite sure who to go after for child support that I struggle with the most!
Don't most states demand a mother give a list of possible fathers before she gets the aid?
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:07:56pm |
re: #152 arethusa
We all will, the first time a President McCain does something McCain-ish. But I want him to be able to be McCain-ish in the White House at least.
McCain-ish isn't as bad as Obama-ish.
/one you can bitch about and live with, the other if you dare bitch about it you might be re-educated.
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ArmyWife Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:08:09pm |
re: #139 FrogMarch
Oh my little niave one! I am an Army wife, and a proud one. But just like Superman's Clark Kent, I have an alter ego during the day that might make you change your mind.
/BWAHAHAHAHA
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:08:24pm |
re: #168 arethusa
I have just found the perfect remedy for my irritation at Alan Colmes/random liberal pundits on TV. I stack my cat's catnip mice (she has many) beside me, and throw them at Colmes et al. every time they misrepresent something. And my cat gets some exercise chasing the mouse. Perfect.
Excellent idea! It beats throwing shoes.
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arethusa Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:09:11pm |
re: #167 David Simon
[Link: archive.newsmax.com...]
Yeah, the headline's wrong. I wouldn't call these the "dole" or "governmet assistance." Money quote:
Mr. Shilling's analysis found that about 1 in 5 Americans hold a government job or a job reliant on federal spending. A similar number receive Social Security or a government pension. About 19 million others get food stamps, 2 million get subsidized housing, and 5 million get education grants. For all these categories, Mr. Shilling counted dependents as well as the direct recipients of government income.
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:09:24pm |
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:09:28pm |
re: #176 JohnAdams
Jaysus, Mandy. Sorry to be so unspecific, but where I'm at, I'm SURROUNDED by them. They are sub-30 years of age, were raised by the flippin Mutant Ninja turtles, Teletubbies, Ward Churchills and Bill Ayers. Where I'm at, I'm the loneliest guy at the ball.
"Those" people. And I mean that with all due respect.
Goodness. Consider moving?
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jorline Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:09:29pm |
re: #175 3 wood
Oh yes, I saw that and linked it the other night. Great site, thanks.
Did you notice what the futures are doing?
No...may follow today...a lot of skeptics out there right now.
What did you think about Monday?
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:10:01pm |
re: #178 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
That's the spirit!
I'm just sickandfuckingtired of all the pissing, bitching and moaning.
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3 wood Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:10:14pm |
The DOW, NASDAQ and S&P 500 futures are all pointing down for the open tomorrow.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:10:34pm |
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HoosierHoops Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:10:54pm |
re: #104 ArmyWife
I have a paypal account. If you simply make your non-tax deductible donations to that, I promise to buy this link and make it one humdinger of a website. Trust me. Go ahead, take out your credit cards.
Is American Express ok?
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:10:56pm |
re: #174 Sharmuta
It's not a sexist joke to say women don't fish?
and, so what? we got bigger fish ta fry,so to speak...
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Mich-again Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:11:22pm |
Is your candidate the donkey or the tail with a pin.
Does your candidate hug pugs or tug plugs?
Does your candidate drive the garbage truck or does he just toss stuff in it.
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:11:34pm |
re: #191 MandyManners
Excellent idea! It beats throwing shoes.
I've found that ping-pong balls work very well, even found a gun that shoots 'em.
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jtm371 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:11:34pm |
11/1 redsox nation is going down long live the rays.BOOMER SOONER!
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3 wood Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:11:58pm |
re: #196 jorline
What did you think about Monday?
The market was oversold. Some great stocks are "stupid - cheap" out there. But just as there has been irrational selling, there was irrational buying.
We will continue to see that as long as the VIX stays as high as it is.
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:12:11pm |
re: #101 gmsc
For those who missed the good news from the previous thread:
BREAKING: 6th Circuit reverses on TRO (devastation, humiliation for Jennifer Brunner)
Independent verification of this:Temporary restraining order reimposed in Ohio voting scandal
Federal court: Ohio must check voter registrations (Warning: AP version)
Judge Rules Against Ohio Elections Official in Battle Over Voter ...
That is an amazing case, and a good indication of just how far the left is willing to go in its power-grab. Here we have an elected official, publicly sworn to uphold the law and the constitution, openly and blatantly aiding and abetting fraud for political reasons.
I am expecting real trouble on, and after, election day. Confident of media support, Obamunists will engage in massive fraud and quite possibly open violence in an effort to intimidate opposition voters. Given their record, and the institutionalized hypocricy of their attitude toward all democratic processes, there is no reason they wouldn't.
The courts could very well invalidate the result in Ohio, leading to a showdown and the usual orchestrated efforts at intimidation in the streets.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:12:23pm |
re: #204 jtm371
11/1 redsox nation is going down long live the rays.BOOMER SOONER!
I believe there's a tv in the hotel bar. hmmmm.
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Meremortal Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:12:25pm |
OK, let's try this again, if you love horses, feast your eyes...
I checked the link, it had better work.
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soccerdad Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:12:28pm |
re: #124 joecitizen
lighten up, Francis...
One of the classic lines of all time. niiiice.....and thanks for the quarter.
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Noam Sayin' Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:12:37pm |
re: #198 3 wood
The DOW, NASDAQ and S&P 500 futures are all pointing down for the open tomorrow.
As well it should. I'd hate to make up my $17k 2008 loss in just one week.
/
Made back $3,700 yesterday, probably gave some back today.
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arethusa Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:12:55pm |
re: #203 CIA Reject
I've found that ping-pong balls work very well, even found a gun that shoots 'em.
Where did you find it?
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:13:01pm |
re: #197 MandyManners
I'm just sickandfuckingtired of all the pissing, bitching and moaning.
Yeah, no kidding.
Do me a favor and give a *super whack* to any lizard that goes one the "Well, if Romney/Huckabee/Fred was the nominee..."
We get it... McCain was selected for us by cross-overs. Don't cry over it anymore... we have to make it work.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:13:11pm |
re: #203 CIA Reject
I've found that ping-pong balls work very well, even found a gun that shoots 'em.
I'm gonna' just rely on the MUTE button on my remote.
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:13:20pm |
re: #182 Sharmuta
And fercryingoutloud- all I said was I didn't find it funny.
fer the record,neither did I...kinda lame, but harmless
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:13:49pm |
Do conservatives want to win again someday? Embrace Twain, Thoreau, Franklin, Jefferson. These men were individuals who prized self reliance. Wanna save the environment? Embrace Roosevelt, Nuggent and countless other booger-eating-pickup-driving rednecks who hunt and fish. These people love the environment and use it every day. Far more than the Volvo driving progressive douche bags who drive out to look at wilderness once or twice per year. Focus on small government. lower taxes and individualism. Forget about abortions and gay rights. Those are lost causes for the "right". The American spirit is not dead but it's in retirement waiting for somebody to take up the fight.
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David Simon Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:13:52pm |
re: #165 ArmyWife
Though not a fan of the SS system for philosophical reasons, its there and most who are receiving paid into it to begin with, even those getting it for a disability related reason.
Social Security was badly misconcieved (like a lot of large-scale defined benefit pension plans that failed, it was based on faulty assumptions); it's a Ponzi scheme. The early recipients received way more than they ever contributed.
As for it "being there," I wouldn't count on it. Even Pelosi et al only talk of "shoring it up" 'til some future date.
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Idle Drifter Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:14:01pm |
re: #147 jcm
On of my favorite warbirds has retired.
Say goodbye to the MH-53 Pave Low, and hello to the CV-22 Osprey.
I have mixed feelings about it. MH-53s are some awesome aircraft, I wonder if they'll be scraped or sent to the Marines since they'll have CH-53Es for the foreseeable future. The Marines might actually be interested in the birds and their pave low systems. MV-22s are only replacing the CH-46s in the Marines last I heard.
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JohnAdams Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:14:23pm |
re: #195 MandyManners
Goodness. Consider moving?
The gazillion dollar question. I'm beginning to hate where I live, and yet all the people I treasure are here. Despite the lunatics. And yet aren't the lunatics everywhere now?
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:14:52pm |
re: #213 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Yeah, no kidding.
Do me a favor and give a *super whack* to any lizard that goes one the "Well, if Romney/Huckabee/Fred was the nominee..."
We get it... McCain was selected for us by cross-overs. Don't cry over it anymore... we have to make it work.
My whacker might wear out.
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ibmkeyboard Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:14:53pm |
The Obama campaign has condemned the reports of voter registration fraud and has called the charges leveled by the McCain campaign “completely transparent and false.”
Our founding fathers desire to have one citizen,
one vote has almost been destroyed by these traitors.
50 years ago these bastards would have been shot.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:14:53pm |
re: #201 joecitizen
and, so what? we got bigger fish ta fry,so to speak...
Yeah- because sexism in this country isn't an issue this year. Puh-lease.
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arethusa Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:15:05pm |
re: #214 MandyManners
I'm gonna' just rely on the MUTE button on my remote.
I have a deaf family member, so we always have the closed-captioning on. No escape.
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Mich-again Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:15:20pm |
Former Iran official gets 3 years for LA crime
A former Iranian official has been sentenced in Los Angeles to nearly three years in prison for violating the U.S. trade embargo against that country.Seyed Mousavi of Diamond Bar also was fined $12,500 and had his U.S. citizenship revoked Tuesday in federal court.
Wondering who his associates are.
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:15:26pm |
re: #212 arethusa
Where did you find it?
It was years ago, when I lived in Florida, but I as I recall it was hanging on a rack in a blister pack at either K-mart or Wally World. A 3-shot spring loaded pistol.
/Great fun!
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Idle Drifter Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:15:42pm |
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JeremyR Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:15:57pm |
re: #121 MandyManners
I hope people think back to Carter.
People don't need that long a memory. Clinton made hay with Bush and "Read my lips..." then promptly renigged and raised them.
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jorline Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:16:00pm |
re: #205 3 wood
The market was oversold. Some great stocks are "stupid - cheap" out there. But just as there has been irrational selling, there was irrational buying.
We will continue to see that as long as the VIX stays as high as it is.
Did you notice Iceland...index at 678 and there market was down 2326 point...77% down.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:16:06pm |
re: #219 JohnAdams
The gazillion dollar question. I'm beginning to hate where I live, and yet all the people I treasure are here. Despite the lunatics. And yet aren't the lunatics everywhere now?
The lunatics around here still will be voting for McCain/Palin.
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jcm Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:16:17pm |
re: #206 Shiplord Kirel
The WA 04 Gov. race was just a tune up for 08. Lot's of unverified registrations, determination of voter intent and malfeasance at all levels of a (D) controlled county.
Voila!
A stolen election.
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ArmyWife Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:16:21pm |
re: #188 MandyManners
yes - but if that list is 50 names and they all live at the corner of 5th and State, then what? Or if the State happens to get to the corner just at the right time and none of the prospects flees thinking its a bust, so they conduct a quick swab test, but low and behold, there isn't a match amongst them, then what? The possibilities are endless.
Lets say potential Daddy #49 is the one, but he decides stepping up to the plate is simply too much for him and won't pay, then what? In that case we have a person who I am supporting because the epitome of jerks is something unprintable here. My sympathy is a bit lower for the woman in that case rather than someone who fell in love, married, got pregnant only to discover husband is a weasel, and then Weasel won't pay child support.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:16:29pm |
re: #223 arethusa
I have a deaf family member, so we always have the closed-captioning on. No escape.
Close your eyes?
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ggt Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:17:08pm |
re: #146 Archimedes
because they turned around and sold those mortgages in a fraudulent manner.
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arethusa Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:17:17pm |
re: #221 ibmkeyboard
The Obama campaign has condemned the reports of voter registration fraud and has called the charges leveled by the McCain campaign “completely transparent and false.”
Our founding fathers desire to have one citizen,
one vote has almost been destroyed by these traitors.50 years ago these bastards would have been shot.
Think Hannity was saying earlier (before I started throwing catnip mice at Colmes) that the Obama website had been purged of any positive references to ACORN and The One's associations with them.
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the1sgjohns Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:17:39pm |
Social Security is recoverable. You just have to stop paying for things it was never intended to cover and pay back the money borrowed by Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr and the final death blow dealt by Clinton. Yeah the guy with the surplus, oh sorry it was borrowed on the back of SSA, yeah blows jobs for dentures sure why not.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:17:45pm |
re: #227 JeremyR
People don't need that long a memory. Clinton made hay with Bush and "Read my lips..." then promptly renigged and raised them.
Even though I did my best to be oblivious during Clinton's administrations, I remember that.
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jtm371 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:17:58pm |
hey FBV
i'm new to the club is that a inside joke?BOOMER SOONER!
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JohnAdams Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:18:01pm |
re: #216 Killgore Trout
Do conservatives want to win again someday? Embrace Twain, Thoreau, Franklin, Jefferson. These men were individuals who prized self reliance. Wanna save the environment? Embrace Roosevelt, Nuggent and countless other booger-eating-pickup-driving rednecks who hunt and fish. These people love the environment and use it every day. Far more than the Volvo driving progressive douche bags who drive out to look at wilderness once or twice per year. Focus on small government. lower taxes and individualism. Forget about abortions and gay rights. Those are lost causes for the "right". The American spirit is not dead but it's in retirement waiting for somebody to take up the fight.
I LOVE Ted Nugent, and mostly because he is so politically incorrect. But I saw him on HannityColmes and Smithers cut him to pieces pretty easily just by quoting his more outrageous statements back at him. Otherwise, that guy is Sarah Palin with TEETH.
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:18:04pm |
re: #214 MandyManners
I'm gonna' just rely on the MUTE button on my remote.
Yes, the MUTE button on the remote here at Casa Reject gets quite a workout, especially during the news...
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3 wood Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:18:15pm |
Hedge funds may become the new "investment bank".
Hedge funds target corporate lending as banks dry up
NEW YORK (Reuters) - An unprecedented cash crunch is choking the ability of banks to lend and creating an opportunity for hedge funds to launch, or ramp up corporate lending facilities.
Companies that have relied on bank borrowing to grow, or even maintain their business, are turning to hedge funds in a move that some say may signal a broad shift of lending from banks to asset managers.
"I have a very strong belief that the new investment banks will be the absolute return hedge funds and the managers of private equity," said Thomas Priore, Chief Executive at ICP Capital, an investment firm that manages $13 billion in fixed income assets, in New York.
You are going to see a lot of changes to how lending is done in the future.
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soccerdad Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:18:16pm |
re: #174 Sharmuta
It's not a sexist joke to say women don't fish?
You REALLY need to lighten up Shar. I told a sexist joke? YES I FRIGGIN DID. oh boo hoo.
jeez, try to have some fun .....and make people laugh with a stupid little double entendre.
/and I'll do it again when the mood strikes me.
/still luv ya shar. hope the feelin's still mutual.
/pours a BIG glass of RED
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:18:27pm |
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Idle Drifter Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:18:34pm |
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David Simon Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:18:50pm |
re: #186 Shr_Nfr
The last point is not as important as one might think, since the covenants on the preferred shares almost always bar the company from paying a dividend to the shareholders
Just how restrictive are the covenants? Say a company becomes cash flow positive; isn't there a percent that could be returned to the shareholders.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:18:52pm |
re: #220 MandyManners
My whacker might wear out.
I'll buy you a brand new one... your choice of color and options.
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gmsc Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:19:08pm |
The funniest anti-McCain ad (and the story behind it) you'll see all year:
Video: Precious moppet sells cookies to purchase vicious anti-McCain attack ad
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3 wood Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:19:36pm |
re: #211 Noam Sayin'
As well it should. I'd hate to make up my $17k 2008 loss in just one week.
/
Made back $3,700 yesterday, probably gave some back today.
Keep dollar cost averaging in. This is a buying opportunity that comes along once every 20 to 30 years.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:20:06pm |
re: #241 CIA Reject
Yes, the MUTE button on the remote here at Casa Reject gets quite a workout, especially during the news...
I try not to watch the news nowadays.
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Truck Monkey Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:20:24pm |
re: #211 Noam Sayin'
As well it should. I'd hate to make up my $17k 2008 loss in just one week.
/
Made back $3,700 yesterday, probably gave some back today.
I made back $18 large yesterday, but am still down $90 Grand since the first of the year. Let it ride.
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Archimedes Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:20:49pm |
When it comes to Obama
Hear No Evil. See No Evil. Speak No Evil.
Put your head in the sand.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:20:50pm |
re: #247 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
I'll buy you a brand new one... your choice of color and options.
With shiny brass tacks?!
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3 wood Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:21:20pm |
re: #228 jorline
Did you notice Iceland...index at 678 and there market was down 2326 point...77% down.
Yes, they were allowing leverage rates of 100 to 1 over there. We thought we were bad at 40 to 1.
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gmsc Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:21:43pm |
re: #242 3 wood
Hedge funds may become the new "investment bank".
Hedge funds target corporate lending as banks dry up
You are going to see a lot of changes to how lending is done in the future.
Interesting trivia: The mathematical principle behind hedge funds was developed by Edward O. Thorp, the same person who first popularized card counting for blackjack.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:22:00pm |
re: #240 JohnAdams
Yes. Make no mistake about it; Ted Nuggent is an idiot; his catch phrases are cliches and he says stuff just for shock value and press coverage. However, if you want a spokesman for the environment he's the man you want (and people like him). Even city dwelling concrete walking men like to fish and hunt. It's part of our genetic makeup and part of our national identity.
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:22:08pm |
re: #222 Sharmuta
Yeah- because sexism in this country isn't an issue this year. Puh-lease.
sexism IS an issue, but I think yer looking for boogeymen in every lame comment..sexism would have been a line like comparing a woman to a fish smell-wise..I respect you,shar and enjoy your passionate comments but this was looking for something wholly negative that just wasn't there..
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David Simon Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:22:32pm |
re: #193 arethusa
I'd have cut the blockquote off at the first sentence; the second at most. Subsidized housing and food stamps are definitely "government dole."
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FrogMarch Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:22:39pm |
re: #171 MandyManners
I was just a kid but, I remember the gas problems and hearing my dad bitch about inflation.
me too! I will never forget how my dad spiraled into a serious depression during the Carter years. It was real. My dad was an industrious guy who ran his own small business. During the Carter years he was totally screwed. It's as if the democrats said to my dad: "Hey - are you trying to provide a few jobs? are you trying to provide for your family? Well Fuck you".
I also vividly remember (right before the election) sitting on the school bus and watching as the neighborhood bully obnoxiously proclaimed his adoration for Carter. I knew then that anyone so foul (this kid beat up on girls) was the opposite of anything good. I didn't know it at the time, but it is in part why I am a conservative today. That early childhood moment started it all. Democrats acting like a-holes, democrats ruining my fathers life.
That is why I say to most democrats - "no - fuck you."
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:23:27pm |
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3 wood Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:23:33pm |
By the way, when Tim Wakefield threw his first few pitches tonight for the Red Sox, I wanted to go get a bat and hit.
Letter high rolling knuckleballs are fun to hit. They go a real long way, too.
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ArmyWife Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:23:37pm |
re: #217 David Simon
Oh its not - if there is anything when I retire, it will be a bonus. However, part of my "responsible" saving for the future a la my 401k has been a bit unsettling as of late! As such, I point you back to my paypal account. HoosierHoops has kindly offered up his Amex. How much shall I expect from you this evening and in what form? Cash and any credit card will be accepted for you convenience.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:24:28pm |
re: #242 3 wood
Hedge funds may become the new "investment bank".
Hedge funds target corporate lending as banks dry up
You are going to see a lot of changes to how lending is done in the future.
Capitalism will always find a way. Unless the government f**ks with it too much.
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arethusa Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:24:33pm |
re: #258 David Simon
I'd have cut the blockquote off at the first sentence; the second at most. Subsidized housing and food stamps are definitely "government dole."
Oh, yeah, but I wanted people to know that some of the claims were legitimate. (I'm not sure about the last sentence, though.)
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Sol Roth Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:24:35pm |
re: #227 JeremyR
People don't need that long a memory. Clinton made hay with Bush and "Read my lips..." then promptly renigged and raised them.
Raythisthssst! Hate Sptheeech! Rethuglican!
/
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:24:40pm |
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Throbert McGee Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:24:55pm |
re: #220 MandyManners
My whacker might wear out.
That's what V!agra is for, baby!
(Oh, wait... never mind.)
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:25:10pm |
re: #259 FrogMarch
Did your dad get better during Reagan's administrations?
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Genosaurer Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:26:05pm |
I wish I could ding this article up more than once. This type of ad is exactly the message the RNC should be pushing.
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ArmyWife Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:26:06pm |
re: #256 Killgore Trout
At his last concert here in Bal'more, he had this chick up there signing his craziness. When he got to the thousands of f-yous, she is signing it like a mad woman, getting her hands REALLY in it, then her hands and hips. I was hysterical with laughter, tears rolling down my face. I was worse than a 12 year old boy laughing at a dirty joke. I still get the giggles when I think about it!
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Palandine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:26:32pm |
I would never invade the United States, there would be a gun behind every blade of grass. --Yamamoto
The greatest gun pr0n thread EVAH!
The Zombie Squad folks are very cool. All different political views (and politics aren't allowed on their forums). Many of them are HUGE 2nd Amendment enthusiasts, and this thread (28 pages of pictures!) shows some of them have better arsenals than some 3rd-world countries. All of them perfectly legal, and all lovely in their own way.
/Makes me feel sort of...inferior...about my arsenal of democracy, but Rome wasn't built in a day.
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Throbert McGee Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:27:37pm |
re: #266 Sol Roth
then promptly renigged and raised themRaythisthssst! Hate Sptheeech! Rethuglican!
Google hits for "denigrate Obama": 3,730.
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David Simon Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:27:52pm |
re: #199 MandyManners
Even though it is their money that they paid in the first place?
Not in all cases. As I wrote previously, the first ones in got way more than they ever contributed. That's a classic Ponzi scheme.
I would also argue that our present social security system relies too much on government control. For better examples of how a social security system should be run, see Chile and Singapore. Libertarians might quibble with the annuity mandate; but they have to admit that both systems are a damn sight better than what we have now.
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sharp_discernment Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:27:57pm |
Feeling down? Leave it to the PUMAS to give some "straight talk".
Letter to the Republican Party From a Concerned PUMA
[Link: www.puma08.com...]
They may be the ones to pull us across the finish line. I say we show them support! GO PUMAS! WE GOT YOUR BACK!
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cblesz Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:28:08pm |
I just want this election over. I am truly fed up.
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jorline Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:28:47pm |
re: #262 3 wood
By the way, when Tim Wakefield threw his first few pitches tonight for the Red Sox, I wanted to go get a bat and hit.
Letter high rolling knuckleballs are fun to hit. They go a real long way, too.
LOL...pitched like that all night...11 to 2 now in the bottom of the 7th.
I thought I saw him saying something about buttmonkeys after getting dinged for the second time in the first inning.
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gmsc Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:29:30pm |
re: #277 sharp_discernment
Feeling down? Leave it to the PUMAS to give some "straight talk".
Letter to the Republican Party From a Concerned PUMA
[Link: www.puma08.com...]They may be the ones to pull us across the finish line. I say we show them support! GO PUMAS! WE GOT YOUR BACK!
Don't forget hillbuzz, another good PUMA site!
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JeremyR Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:30:42pm |
re: #232 ArmyWife
yes - but if that list is 50 names and they all live at the corner of 5th and State, then what? Or if the State happens to get to the corner just at the right time and none of the prospects flees thinking its a bust, so they conduct a quick swab test, but low and behold, there isn't a match amongst them, then what? The possibilities are endless.
Lets say potential Daddy #49 is the one, but he decides stepping up to the plate is simply too much for him and won't pay, then what? In that case we have a person who I am supporting because the epitome of jerks is something unprintable here. My sympathy is a bit lower for the woman in that case rather than someone who fell in love, married, got pregnant only to discover husband is a weasel, and then Weasel won't pay child support.
I was dealing with a tenant today whose girlfriend recently leveled charges against him of mental abuse so she could get aid from Social and Rehabilatative Services.
The facts are she is physically abusive, has been charged with it, and convicted. But she is short on money, so went to the womens shelter and told them she needed help, and voila, she has it.
She has a four year old daughter, and they found out in July that she was being molested by her cousin. This weekend she allowed the perp to stay the night, and indications are he fondled one of the little girls who spent the night.
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FrogMarch Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:30:43pm |
re: #269 MandyManners
Did your dad get better during Reagan's administrations?
Absolutely. Even though it took a while, everything started to get better for a lot of people.
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jcm Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:30:48pm |
re: #273 Palandine
The greatest gun pr0n thread EVAH!
The Zombie Squad folks are very cool. All different political views (and politics aren't allowed on their forums). Many of them are HUGE 2nd Amendment enthusiasts, and this thread (28 pages of pictures!) shows some of them have better arsenals than some 3rd-world countries. All of them perfectly legal, and all lovely in their own way.
/Makes me feel sort of...inferior...about my arsenal of democracy, but Rome wasn't built in a day.
Stayin' away from jackass half way down...
No damn trigger discipline.
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3 wood Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:32:21pm |
The yield on treasuries jumped today, which means that some money was moving out of fixed income. That signifies a growing appetite for risk taking in the market.
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nightintheruts Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:32:36pm |
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:32:41pm |
re: #257 joecitizen
sexism IS an issue, but I think yer looking for boogeymen in every lame comment..sexism would have been a line like comparing a woman to a fish smell-wise..I respect you,shar and enjoy your passionate comments but this was looking for something wholly negative that just wasn't there..
So- sexism will go away if us uppity women just don't say shit when we think a sexist joke isn't funny?
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:32:42pm |
re: #250 MandyManners
I try not to watch the news nowadays.
I know what you mean. Recently Mrs. Reject and I discovered that our DirecTV package includes XM radio. We've been listening to '40s music more and more- somehow Tommy Dorsey and Bilie Holiday sound so much better than BO sound bites and MSM cheerleading.
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Sol Roth Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:33:19pm |
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Palandine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:33:20pm |
re: #284 jcm
Stayin' away from jackass half way down...
No damn trigger discipline.
Most folks on that thread do; the poster should have replaced that pic.
BTW, folks, the gun show loophole is going away regardless of who wins, so I'd get to one before the end of January 2009 if you intend to...
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:33:27pm |
re: #287 Sharmuta
So- sexism will go away if us uppity women just don't say shit when we think a sexist joke isn't funny?
And please don't bother answering me, joe. I've had enough for one night.
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ggt Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:34:09pm |
re: #209 Meremortal
THAT was fantastic! Thanks for linking. It's been forwarded to my email list.
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J.S. Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:34:19pm |
re: #216 Killgore Trout
Hey, Kilgore -- you know who I'm getting sick of? It's whiners whining about whiners.
About the MSM, as far as I'm concerned when frigging Obamobats campaign for Obama on CNN, yet at the same time state that their program is "No bull," and yet it's "ALL Bull, All the Time" -- then it is our RIGHT to stand up and critique that LIE. Got it? When LIES are told, the LIES need to be confronted and dealt with -- NOT swept under the carpet. So, that's what we and whole hell of a lot of other people here do -- we correct the lies.
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3 wood Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:35:15pm |
re: #280 jorline
LOL...pitched like that all night...11 to 2 now in the bottom of the 7th.
I thought I saw him saying something about buttmonkeys after getting dinged for the second time in the first inning.
I noticed that he was sweating bullets when they yanked him. How do you break a sweat throwing knuckle balls?
He must really have been out of shape.
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jcm Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:35:16pm |
re: #290 Palandine
Most folks on that thread do; the poster should have replaced that pic.
BTW, folks, the gun show loophole is going away regardless of who wins, so I'd get to one before the end of January 2009 if you intend to...
Already bought my "black rifle" just in case BHO wins, used the "rebate."
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flynmudd Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:35:18pm |
re: #273 Palandine
I am so jealous! I think that one picture of the arsenal was a little over the top don't ya think? I guess the person that has the most toys wins!
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:35:38pm |
re: #287 Sharmuta
So- sexism will go away if us uppity women just don't say shit when we think a sexist joke isn't funny?
now yer gettin' uppity..heh..besides, EVERYONE knows that women COOK fish better than men..
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cblesz Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:36:29pm |
re: #285 3 wood
The yield on treasuries jumped today, which means that some money was moving out of fixed income. That signifies a growing appetite for risk taking in the market.
No. That is not why. Who told you that?
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:36:49pm |
re: #291 Sharmuta
And please don't bother answering me, joe. I've had enough for one night.
it's no bother..really!
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ArmyWife Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:36:58pm |
re: #282 JeremyR
Disgusting. Where is said 4 year old's father? I just can't comprehend a mother doing this, it defies logic. Mama bears would have NOTHING on me if some guy even thought about doing this to one of my baby girls, let alone put them in a situation like that deliberately.
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FrogMarch Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:37:00pm |
re: #216 Killgore Trout
Do conservatives want to win again someday? Embrace Twain, Thoreau, Franklin, Jefferson. These men were individuals who prized self reliance. Wanna save the environment? Embrace Roosevelt, Nuggent and countless other booger-eating-pickup-driving rednecks who hunt and fish. These people love the environment and use it every day. Far more than the Volvo driving progressive douche bags who drive out to look at wilderness once or twice per year. Focus on small government. lower taxes and individualism. Forget about abortions and gay rights. Those are lost causes for the "right". The American spirit is not dead but it's in retirement waiting for somebody to take up the fight.
and how are you a "liberal"?.. (You mean classical liberal, right?)
just out of curiosity - is there any candidate in the political arena right now, or even on the horizon, who comes close to this vision of rugged individualism?
btw - I like what you are saying.
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nightintheruts Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:37:03pm |
re: #296 flynmudd
I am so jealous! I think that one picture of the arsenal was a little over the top don't ya think? I guess the person that has the most toys wins!
The people with those toys win for sure.
They are on our side right?
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:37:12pm |
A lot of people seem to be replying to themselves tonight. Why is that?
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rawmuse Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:37:42pm |
re: #273 Palandine
Nice! My collection is not as big as some, bigger than others.
If ever my house gets raided and they put all the weapons out on a table like they do after a bust, I would not be embarrassed.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:38:07pm |
re: #293 J.S.
you know who I'm getting sick of? It's whiners whining about whiners.
Then quit yer bitchin'
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Palandine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:38:32pm |
re: #296 flynmudd
I am so jealous! I think that one picture of the arsenal was a little over the top don't ya think? I guess the person that has the most toys wins!
Only over the top because who could afford it. :)
I keep promising myself I'll only buy one more, and then another, and another.
/oh well, I don't golf, so it's my only expensive vice.
//if I'd known they were that much fun, I would have started shooting earlier.
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nightintheruts Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:38:35pm |
re: #303 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
A lot of people seem to be replying to themselves tonight. Why is that?
Insanity is the logic of an intelligent mind overtaxed.
-Oliver Wendell Holmes
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gmsc Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:38:41pm |
Unlike many other Republicans, I don't need a pep talk.
What I need is for Nov. 4th to get here quicker!
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J.S. Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:38:56pm |
re: #306 Killgore Trout
But when will you quit your bitching, eh?
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sharp_discernment Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:39:00pm |
re: #281 gmsc
Don't forget hillbuzz, another good PUMA site!
Yeah, I'm all over it. WE'RE pissed, but can you imagine how slighted THEY feel? And they have every right to feel that way, their candidate was basically SHUNNED by their own party for the "Great One". Not to mention Obama since then has never even TRIED to heal the wounds to reach out to them in a sincere way. They are DEADLY serious about their anger. That's DEFINITELY one thing we share. Hell, I would take Hillary over Obama ANY damn day of the week. At least now, I would be getting some sleep at night instead of the nightmares about Obama the Anti-Christ. (I hope that's not too "racist" to say out loud). It's just how I feel. It's like a sharp discernment about him (hence my screen name). Deep in my gut there is something TERRIBLY wrong about this guy that goes beyond the scope of politics. He's downright dangerous to everything we love and cherish......like a thief. *shivers*
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jorline Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:39:31pm |
Time to call it a night lizards...see y'all in the morning.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:39:42pm |
re: #301 FrogMarch
You mean classical liberal, right?
Yes, the "progressives' have misappropriated the term but I still cling to it like others cling to bibles and guns. It's my thing.
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Cartman Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:39:43pm |
I haven't been on all day, and forgive me if this has been discussed, but weren't intergalactic visitor overlords in hundreds of flying saucers supposed to visit us today, to save us from ourselves?
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:39:53pm |
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wright1 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:40:06pm |
re: #287 Sharmuta
So- sexism will go away if us uppity women just don't say shit when we think a sexist joke isn't funny?
I am jumping in here because the conversation, to the degree it denies what is occurring in this Presidential race, is simply absurd. If HRC was ever called the C-word, there would be a stop the presses moment. This woman who is such a wonderful role model and should be the person women aspire to rather than someone as Machiavellian as HRC who has not accomplished 1/4 of what Sarah Palin has, is being tarred and feathered to such a despicable level I find myself gasping. Sexism and for that matter racism, ageism, special needs ism, and any other protected class are only fair game if you are a conservative or republican. The double standard is sickening. I know I am not breaking new ground here. And frankly my ire is aimed at the MSM and the punditry, but for those here who do not get how sensitive women might be who are protective of SP are, well not getting it.
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3 wood Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:40:07pm |
re: #298 cblesz
No. That is not why. Who told you that?
Oh, 30 years of professionally managing a portfolio, buying and selling these instruments, reading the market and making a whole lot of money doing it.
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rawmuse Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:40:16pm |
re: #311 sharp_discernment
I agree with a lot of your remarks. Except about Hil as president. I would not like that very much either.
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fishbob Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:40:18pm |
I resemble that question.
I'd rather have a seine though.
#3 Cap'n DOC...... Does a fish caught on a pole taste differently than one taken in a seine?
Only if you don't get caught
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:40:19pm |
re: #310 J.S.
Are you bitching about my complaining?
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Occasional Reader Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:40:26pm |
re: #284 jcm
Stayin' away from jackass half way down...
No damn trigger discipline.
Yeah, whoever had his little girl wear face paint while displaying his gun... I'm steering clear there, too.
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Palandine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:40:49pm |
re: #297 joecitizen
now yer gettin' uppity..heh..besides, EVERYONE knows that women COOK fish better than men..
Joe, stop. We've had enough of the blind, naked hatred that libs have for Sarah Palin. We've seen an entire political party and the media try to destroy an uppity woman for months, and we're not in the mood for jokes. We NEED the PUMAs to win this. You're not helping. Let it go.
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rawmuse Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:41:44pm |
Hey, what was the outcome of that lawsuit filed by the Dem lawyer regarding the Obama birth certificate, or lack thereof? Wasn't that case to have been before a judge today?
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David Simon Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:41:53pm |
re: #263 ArmyWife
However, part of my "responsible" saving for the future a la my 401k has been a bit unsettling as of late!
As has mine. In the long run, we'll both be okay. We might not be able to retire as soon as we had hoped, but we're saving, and we're not afraid to work hard. In the long run, that will out.
As such, I point you back to my paypal account. HoosierHoops has kindly offered up his Amex. How much shall I expect from you this evening and in what form? Cash and any credit card will be accepted for you convenience.
I must be blind as a bat. I don't see it on your website. Seriously, where is it?
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Occasional Reader Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:41:53pm |
re: #305 rawmuse
If ever my house gets raided and they put all the weapons out on a table like they do after a bust, I would not be embarrassed.
The press will point out that you had "dozens" of rounds of ammunition...
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Archimedes Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:42:13pm |
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ggt Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:42:18pm |
re: #264 Occasional Reader
capitalism does find a way! I think it was thriving in the soviet block under dubious circumstances. Better to keep it legal and tax it. Perhaps regulate some of the dubious aspects. Outright make illegal some of them. Still, were there is a buyer, a seller will appear.
JMHO
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jorline Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:42:51pm |
One more link for you 3 wood.
Thanks CIA...glad you're back and get well soon.
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Archimedes Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:43:04pm |
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:43:08pm |
re: #316 wright1
I am jumping in here because the conversation, to the degree it denies what is occurring in this Presidential race, is simply absurd. If HRC was ever called the C-word, there would be a stop the presses moment. This woman who is such a wonderful role model and should be the person women aspire to rather than someone as Machiavellian as HRC who has not accomplished 1/4 of what Sarah Palin has, is being tarred and feathered to such a despicable level I find myself gasping. Sexism and for that matter racism, ageism, special needs ism, and any other protected class are only fair game if you are a conservative or republican. The double standard is sickening. I know I am not breaking new ground here. And frankly my ire is aimed at the MSM and the punditry, but for those here who do not get how sensitive women might be who are protective of SP are, well not getting it.
I agree..I'd do anything for Sarah..hell,I'd even hold the door for her!
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Meremortal Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:43:18pm |
re: #292 ggt
THAT was fantastic! Thanks for linking. It's been forwarded to my email list.
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it. What a beautiful and talented mare! And like the announcer said, she seems to enjoy every minute. I could tell that by watching her tail flicking...
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cblesz Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:43:29pm |
re: #317 3 wood
Oh, 30 years of professionally managing a portfolio, buying and selling these instruments, reading the market and making a whole lot of money doing it.
Um, OK. If you insist. No need to be a smartass, but you are wrong. Yields rose on Treasuries for the simple fact that somehow the Treasury is going to have to issue Treasuries to pay for it, which would increase supply. Simply because yields went up DOES not mean that people or the market have decided to become risk takers. There are also Agency securities and mortgages. Cas in point, Agencies tightened today, but you already knew that.
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J.S. Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:43:37pm |
re: #320 Killgore Trout
Look, you've written things which make it sound as if you're NOT a bitcher. Yet, if anyone reads what you write -- you're as much as a whiner and a complainer as anyone else here. You're no different. You're no better. Just admit it.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:44:05pm |
re: #301 FrogMarch
is there any candidate in the political arena right now, or even on the horizon, who comes close to this vision of rugged individualism?
No, not that I'm aware of. Conservatism has no champions at the moment. People who are looking to Bobby Jindal or an empty suit like Fred Thompson are barking up the wrong tree. Lower taxes, small government and individual freedom are easily marketable ideas if anyone wants to embrace them.
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:44:09pm |
re: #322 Palandine
Joe, stop. We've had enough of the blind, naked hatred that libs have for Sarah Palin. We've seen an entire political party and the media try to destroy an uppity woman for months, and we're not in the mood for jokes. We NEED the PUMAs to win this. You're not helping. Let it go.
bullshit..
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:44:18pm |
re: #314 Cartman
I haven't been on all day, and forgive me if this has been discussed, but weren't intergalactic visitor overlords in hundreds of flying saucers supposed to visit us today, to save us from ourselves?
I thought that was Obama
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:45:43pm |
re: #308 nightintheruts
Insanity is the logic of an intelligent mind overtaxed.
-Oliver Wendell Holmes
Not quite sure what OWH meant, but the overtaxed had to have meant Obama's future plans for those of us who work.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:45:57pm |
re: #17 MandyManners
I wonder if BHO's ever fished.
I think he would make JF'nKerry look like a good hunter in comparison.
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JeremyR Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:46:14pm |
re: #300 ArmyWife
Disgusting. Where is said 4 year old's father? I just can't comprehend a mother doing this, it defies logic. Mama bears would have NOTHING on me if some guy even thought about doing this to one of my baby girls, let alone put them in a situation like that deliberately.
Father is unknown. My friend has a 2YO with her. They got back together, (his mistake) about five months ago. He was recently diagnosed with Lupis, and several autoimmune problems.
Psudeostep dad is the only support those kids have. I was there two hours working on the furnace. He was cooking supper, she was on the couch, trying to sleep, and yelling at the girls to shaddup.
She has three kids, but her son is with his dad. He is a handfull, and she will not control him.
Step dad fell ill about two years ago while working for me. I've felt sorry for them, and am down over $15,000 helping them.
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sharp_discernment Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:47:28pm |
re: #318 rawmuse
I agree with a lot of your remarks. Except about Hil as president. I would not like that very much either.
No, what I meant is that I could sleep alot better if Hillary was the other CANDIDATE. And if the race was won LEGITIMATELY (sans voter fraud) by a democrat, I would MUCH rather have Clinton in the White House than Obama the Madman. At least she's strong on foreign policy/military and a known friend to Isreal. But let me be clear...I am supporting John McCain and would even if Hills was in the race.
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wright1 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:47:49pm |
re: #334 Killgore Trout
No, not that I'm aware of. Conservatism has no champions at the moment. People who are looking to Bobby Jindal or an empty suit like Fred Thompson are barking up the wrong tree. Lower taxes, small government and individual freedom are easily marketable ideas if anyone wants to embrace them.
I know he was not perfect but I really wish Romney was on the ticket.
That said, we have what we have. And even with McCain, this thing is winnable. I know some are doubting that but this is not over by a long shot. For me and many here no doubt, tomorrow is like a championship game that leads to the super bowl. He just needs to win. Not a blow out. Just a win is required.
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Palandine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:48:21pm |
re: #335 joecitizen
bullshit..
Whatever. Keep making sexist jokes if it works for you. Feel free to scroll by this uppity woman.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:48:50pm |
re: #333 J.S.
The difference is that I'm not blaming others for my failings. I will ppoint out press bias but I've never blamed the MSM for the failings of the Republican ticket. They deserve to be slammed. It's a pitiful ticket. However, they could easily overcome the obstacle on their own. They shouldn't require the MSM to deliver their message like the Dems do. They are capable of succeeding on their own just as they are capable of failing on their own. They are responsible for their own fate and they should take responsibility and encourage others to do the same. Why does this take a liberal to point out?
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rawmuse Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:49:29pm |
re: #341 sharp_discernment
I am someone who has met Bill Clinton and shook his hand. He is a charming person, and really talented at, er, multi-tasking.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:49:46pm |
re: #342 wright1
I wasn't a Romney fan but he was a worthy respectable candidate.
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Straitcircle Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:49:56pm |
please teach me to learn how to fish. I do not want someone forcing me to eat rotten fishes.
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:50:05pm |
re: #343 Palandine
Whatever. Keep making sexist jokes if it works for you. Feel free to scroll by this uppity woman.
if you had actually read the whole exchange between shar and I you would have gotten the point..but, as you say, whatever..
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cblesz Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:50:13pm |
Asked in another thread...anyone know what happened with Corsi? He was supposed to have some damning info on Obama?
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cblesz Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:51:00pm |
re: #345 rawmuse
I am someone who has met Bill Clinton and shook his hand. He is a charming person, and really talented at, er, multi-tasking.
Me too. I actually played gold right next to him. He is charming, but he is also a cheater....(on the golf course too)...
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jcm Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:51:02pm |
re: #344 Killgore Trout
The difference is that I'm not blaming others for my failings. I will ppoint out press bias but I've never blamed the MSM for the failings of the Republican ticket. They deserve to be slammed. It's a pitiful ticket. However, they could easily overcome the obstacle on their own. They shouldn't require the MSM to deliver their message like the Dems do. They are capable of succeeding on their own just as they are capable of failing on their own. They are responsible for their own fate and they should take responsibility and encourage others to do the same. Why does this take a liberal to point out?
RNC called for a donation, I read them the riot act for having such pathetic candidates across the board.
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Cartman Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:51:43pm |
re: #336 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
I thought that was Obama
This is not laughing matter! There was a guy on George Noury's Coast To Coast last week who said thousands of alien craft would populate the skies across the planet on October 14th, which was today. They were supposed to have a message for us. It didn't happen. This is serious stuff.
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rawmuse Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:51:49pm |
re: #344 Killgore Trout
I think your criticisms are somewhat valid, but remember that open primary states allowed clever Dems to select our ticket as well. I would abolish Open primaries immediately. There has been entirely too much mischief this particular election cycle.
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cblesz Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:52:31pm |
re: #352 joecitizen
so..how bout them redsox,eh?
yikes. I am a big Sox fan, but knew the Rays were gonna be tough.
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FrogMarch Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:52:43pm |
re: #334 Killgore Trout
No, not that I'm aware of. Conservatism has no champions at the moment. People who are looking to Bobby Jindal or an empty suit like Fred Thompson are barking up the wrong tree. Lower taxes, small government and individual freedom are easily marketable ideas if anyone wants to embrace them.
Thanks. I was just curious. I'll take Fred Thompson over any democrat candidate. I'd be open to a democrat - but as we all know the left has sold out to the far left and they are all pathetic. I'd really like to flush 80 - 90% of congress down the toilet and start fresh. It would be inspiring if some great people entered the field of politics. It seems losers who can't make it in the real world are the only ones to sign up.
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wright1 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:53:04pm |
re: #349 cblesz
Asked in another thread...anyone know what happened with Corsi? He was supposed to have some damning info on Obama?
I heard him on Steve Malzberg: some loose ties between Obama and Odinga. It does not appear that it will catch fire. You need a candidate and a campaiign manager who can articulate quickly and efficiently connecting the dots theories. McCain does not have these talents. Ironically, Bush could make this case more effectively.
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JeremyR Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:53:22pm |
re: #305 rawmuse
Nice! My collection is not as big as some, bigger than others.
If ever my house gets raided and they put all the weapons out on a table like they do after a bust, I would not be embarrassed.
Dial up sucks. All I get is red X's and captions. I just added a DPMS Panther in .223. It is a flat top without front sight, and I mounted an Aries 390 Palidine on it. The down side is, it has no forward assist. It is the sixth AR-15 in my humble collection.
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sharp_discernment Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:53:25pm |
re: #345 rawmuse
Have you ever noticed, he has some BIG hands! I don't know, for some reason that's something I always notice about him. I think it's a chick thing.
Have you notice how much he loathes Obama? He's a master of giving the obligatory and dazzling 30 minute speech while only mentioning the O once. I LOVE it!
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3 wood Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:53:28pm |
re: #332 cblesz
Um, OK. If you insist. No need to be a smartass, but you are wrong. Yields rose on Treasuries for the simple fact that somehow the Treasury is going to have to issue Treasuries to pay for it, which would increase supply. Simply because yields went up DOES not mean that people or the market have decided to become risk takers. There are also Agency securities and mortgages. Cas in point, Agencies tightened today, but you already knew that.
You are interpreting an insult where none was intended. I also did not swear at you, so I would appreciate your not doing so to me.
With the hundreds of billions of capital flowing into the US, for yields to go up 0.16, with gold also dropping $3 signifies a lot more, in my judgment.
FYI, I managed a fund of about 100 million quite successfully and a small but successful brokerage firm had me edit their quarterly newsletter to their customers.
How about we agree to disagree on this one?
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jtm371 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:53:54pm |
it is very sad to think that the USA will have the most liberal gov after nov 5th.i don't want the messiah to win but McCain might go down as one of the worst gop candidate ever.Harper is winning and gaining seats in canada.
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rawmuse Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:53:55pm |
Conservatives have a tough sell. "Elect me, I will take away your free stuff".
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:54:44pm |
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:54:47pm |
re: #358 JeremyR
Dial up sucks. All I get is red X's and captions. I just added a DPMS Panther in .223. It is a flat top without front sight, and I mounted an Aries 390 Palidine on it. The down side is, it has no forward assist. It is the sixth AR-15 in my humble collection.
mebbe sell 1 of those back and get yerself SOME REAL FRICKIN" INTERNET!?
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ggt Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:55:13pm |
re: #276 David Simon
all right, I'm reading this thread way to slow. When I refresh there will probably be another thread.
I get confused about SS about where you were explaining. It is basically an "individual" annuity administered by the US Government --right?
the money in an annunity get's split 3 ways --fees to the company; payouts to the "owner" and commission to the agent. I ran my SS payments thru the annuity calculator at my former employer's office one day and the payout wasn't any different that if the company was holding my annuity. So, the government get's the fees, I get the same payout --what is happening to the commission?
Has anyone else looked at it this way? I've tried doing research, but don't know the proper search terms.
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Palandine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:55:18pm |
re: #344 Killgore Trout
But how do you work around the media? I'll admit, ironically, that McCain is partly responsible for his own troubles because of McCain-Feingold's curbs on free speech. I listen to Palin's speeches on Fox News at work, and they're DYNAMITE. But the appearances always happen during the work day when most people can't see them. The 527s for some reason, aren't taking it to the Messiah the way they could. Yet, when you watch the news, story after biased story. Same thing if you open a newspaper. If you go to the magazine rack, you see a cover photo of Palin on Time or Newsweek designed to show every flaw. You need some humor, but the Daily Show, Colbert Report, and SNL are all dedicated to destroying Palin and McCain.
The media are putting up a terrible wall against getting the other side out. What else can we do?
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flynmudd Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:55:20pm |
re: #307 Palandine
They are addictive. Like crack cocaine. My son is going to buy me a new "toy" when he gets back from deployment. He already has it picked out. I can hardly wait for both to occur.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:55:44pm |
re: #348 joecitizen
If you had actually read the whole exchange between shar and
Ime
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rawmuse Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:56:19pm |
re: #359 sharp_discernment
The one thing I can thank Bill Clinton for is, he turned me in to a Republican.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:56:43pm |
re: #361 jtm371
it is very sad to think that the USA will have the most liberal gov after nov 5th.i don't want the messiah to win but McCain might go down as one of the worst gop candidate ever.Harper is winning and gaining seats in canada.
And Harper is? (Wish I was more knowledgeable about Canadian politics)
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:57:09pm |
re: #101 gmsc
For those who missed the good news from the previous thread:
BREAKING: 6th Circuit reverses on TRO (devastation, humiliation for Jennifer Brunner)
Independent verification of this:Temporary restraining order reimposed in Ohio voting scandal
Federal court: Ohio must check voter registrations (Warning: AP version)
Judge Rules Against Ohio Elections Official in Battle Over Voter ...
Half-hearted enforcement is no enforcement at all, especially when you are dealing with a powerful media-backed totalitarian and open outlaw like Brunner. She can find all kinds of ways to evade the order and do as little as possible to block the ACORN coup d'etat in Ohio.
The only solution is for the federal courts to take direct control, as they can do in extraordinary situations. Arrest Brunner and her chief lieutenants for conspiracy to commit election fraud and place the whole process under the direct control of federal marshals. The media will go berserk, of course, but they are likely to go berserk over any result that doesn't favor Obama anyway, so there is no point in trying to appease them.
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flynmudd Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:57:09pm |
re: #370 rawmuse
Yeah, but Clinton still has me confused with "is".
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J.S. Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:57:17pm |
re: #344 Killgore Trout
Oh please, dispense with that "I'm a liberal" crap. As if that should suddenly elevate you to some exalted status. It doesn't instantly give you credibility because you lay claim to being "a liberal." Yeah, big wow. I don't like labels, they're meaningless.
When you write: "The difference is that I'm not blaming others for my failings." Yeah, ok, so who does? Name someone. Who's "blaming others"? Then you follow with a non sequitur: "I will point out press bias but I've never blamed the MSM for the failings of the Republican ticket." Yeah, wonderful. So, who do you claim is blaming the MSM for the failings of the Republican ticket? How do you get to this? I don't see it. The MSM tells lies, smears a political candidate, yet claims "objectivity" and a host of other non-existent "standards" -- people point this discrepancy out -- now, explain how this is "blaming the media" for Republican failings. Explain it. I'm not following your "logic."
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alien_mind Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:57:31pm |
re: #356 FrogMarch
Thanks. I was just curious. I'll take Fred Thompson over any democrat candidate. I'd be open to a democrat - but as we all know the left has sold out to the far left and they are all pathetic. I'd really like to flush 80 - 90% of congress down the toilet and start fresh. It would be inspiring if some great people entered the field of politics. It seems losers who can't make it in the real world are the only ones to sign up.
if by some chance Obama gets elected, I think there will be an earthquake reaction during the midterm in 2010. I think you will see a bunch of them flushed, from both parties.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:57:50pm |
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nightintheruts Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:57:53pm |
re: #316 wright1
I agree with you and Palandine 100%.
I'm a guy right? so I can't begin to understand - but Sarah seems to me to be the perfect role model of feminism, in the true sense.
The way she's treated - I don't even have the words to convey the loathing I have for those people....
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Throbert McGee Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:58:11pm |
The "Fish or Pole?" threadline made me think of the obscene Russian proverb that plays on two similar-sounding verbs:
И рыбку съесть, и на хуй сесть.
(I ribku s'yest, i na huy sest.)
Literally "to eat one's fill of fish and sit down on a c*ck," but one could loosely translate it, for rhyme's sake:
"Here's some fish'n'chips to eat,
And a comfy penis -- have a seat!"
(Implying "to have one's cake and eat it too" or "to have the best of both worlds.")
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JeremyR Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:58:40pm |
re: #365 joecitizen
mebbe sell 1 of those back and get yerself SOME REAL FRICKIN" INTERNET!?
No chance. Dial up[ or sattelite is all I have for options, and the satsys stinks. Neighbor had it for a month, too windy for the dish.
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Cartman Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:58:52pm |
re: #362 rawmuse
Conservatives have a tough sell. "Elect me, I will take away your free stuff".
Hard to put the magic genie back in the bottle.
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jcm Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:58:57pm |
re: #362 rawmuse
Conservatives have a tough sell. "Elect me, I will take away your free stuff".
Give Me Liberty or Give Me Free Stuff!
//
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pat Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:59:16pm |
Why do I need to fish at all? Why do i have to eat fish? I will have your food.
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Palandine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:59:42pm |
re: #368 flynmudd
They are addictive. Like crack cocaine. My son is going to buy me a new "toy" when he gets back from deployment. He already has it picked out. I can hardly wait for both to occur.
All I have left on my wish list is a Ruger Mini 14, and then the rest of the excess spending money goes into the savings account.
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jcm Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:00:35pm |
re: #382 Cartman
Hard to put the magic genie back in the bottle.
This election.
The de Tocqueville tipping point, when more than half the voters are bribed from the public purse. Or as he put it, the beginning of the end.
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soccerdad Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:00:56pm |
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FrogMarch Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:01:03pm |
OT:
Harper heading for a win...?
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
I love this -
Liberal leader Stephane Dion, a bookish francophone who speaks hesitatingly in English, found it difficult at a time of relatively high energy prices to sell his plan for a new carbon tax to fight climate change, accompanied by income tax cuts and subsidies for the poor.
oh shut the hell up - bwaahaaaahaaaaaaa.
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sharp_discernment Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:01:17pm |
re: #372 Shiplord Kirel
Half-hearted enforcement is no enforcement at all, especially when you are dealing with a powerful media-backed totalitarian and open outlaw like Brunner. She can find all kinds of ways to evade the order and do as little as possible to block the ACORN coup d'etat in Ohio.
The only solution is for the federal courts to take direct control, as they can do in extraordinary situations. Arrest Brunner and her chief lieutenants for conspiracy to commit election fraud and place the whole process under the direct control of federal marshals. The media will go berserk, of course, but they are likely to go berserk over any result that doesn't favor Obama anyway, so there is no point in trying to appease them.
I'm wondering how far the feds are going to let this whole ACORN thing go on? I mean, HOW BIG DOES THE RED FLAG HAVE TO BE?
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jtm371 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:01:26pm |
re: #371 FurryOldGuyJeans
he is the conservative prime minister of canada.i meant to say the most liberal gov of the G-8.
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cblesz Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:01:32pm |
re: #360 3 wood
You are interpreting an insult where none was intended. I also did not swear at you, so I would appreciate your not doing so to me.
With the hundreds of billions of capital flowing into the US, for yields to go up 0.16, with gold also dropping $3 signifies a lot more, in my judgment.
FYI, I managed a fund of about 100 million quite successfully and a small but successful brokerage firm had me edit their quarterly newsletter to their customers.
How about we agree to disagree on this one?
Sure. No problem. Sorry if smartass offended you...did not mean it that way. You are entitled to your opinion as I am and I manage more than $4 billion in fixed income assets currently and manage rate strategy. Just telling you what is actually trading and why.
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wright1 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:02:07pm |
There will be time for carping and eating our own if things turn badly, some may disagree but the mood in the country for republicans in 2004 was identical to what it is now - very dour. Different players here yes. And different dynamics. But I still think that there is a very silent majority who will never ever vote for Obama. The love affiar we are watching is between the media and BHO - not the nation; rather a sliver of it who have become his disciples. Keep the faith.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:02:47pm |
re: #390 jtm371
he is the conservative prime minister of canada.i meant to say the most liberal gov of the G-8.
I understood what you meant about Lib government, but I needed a pointer to what side Harper was on. I thank you for your kind assistance. :)
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solomonpanting Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:03:27pm |
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alien_mind Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:03:31pm |
re: #379 nightintheruts
The way she's treated - I don't even have the words to convey the loathing I have for those people....
its a pretty crude world we live in when this type of behavior seems appropriate to so many.
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nightintheruts Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:04:37pm |
re: #392 wright1
I keep my fingers crossed that you are right.
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:04:42pm |
personally, I believe creationism and intelligent design are frauds..heh
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jtm371 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:04:44pm |
re: #392 wright1
all i can say i hope you are right.because the other option scares the hell out of me.i'm glad i'm 45 and not 25.
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Meremortal Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:05:50pm |
re: #391 cblesz
Hi. Do you have an opinion on Sallie Mae? I heard it is yielding 5.5%. I know what SLM does, but I'm not sure how to analyze it.
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Syrah Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:06:04pm |
re: #386 jcm
This election.
The de Tocqueville tipping point, when more than half the voters are bribed from the public purse. Or as he put it, the beginning of the end.
And then the "producers" will go on strike.
From each according to his ability, to each according to his need, makes for a beggared people.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:06:06pm |
re: #395 alien_mind
its a pretty crude world we live in when this type of behavior seems appropriate to so many.
Not only appropriate, but condoned and encouraged as well by so many that have so little tolerance for any opinion or viewpoint that differs from theirs.
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Mich-again Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:06:36pm |
Is your candidate just a breaded fish stick in the freezer. In a box labeled Gordon's.
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jcm Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:06:41pm |
re: #397 joecitizen
personally, I believe creationism and intelligent design are frauds..heh
Anything but turtles all the way down is heresy!
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:06:50pm |
re: #400 Syrah
And then the "producers" will go on strike.
From each according to his ability, to each according to his need, makes for a beggared people.
or a buggered people..
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David Simon Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:06:51pm |
re: #366 ggt
all right, I'm reading this thread way to slow. When I refresh there will probably be another thread.
I get confused about SS about where you were explaining. It is basically an "individual" annuity administered by the US Government --right?
the money in an annunity get's split 3 ways --fees to the company; payouts to the "owner" and commission to the agent. I ran my SS payments thru the annuity calculator at my former employer's office one day and the payout wasn't any different that if the company was holding my annuity. So, the government get's the fees, I get the same payout --what is happening to the commission?
Has anyone else looked at it this way? I've tried doing research, but don't know the proper search terms.
No, it's a defined benefit pension plan. You and your employer contribute, some actuarial assumptions are made and you're "guaranteed" a stream of income at retirement age. (I use scare quotes because the stream of income is predicated on there being enough money in the "pot" to pay the promised benefits.) Contrast that with, say, Chile (which is really a defined contribution plan combined with a compulsory annuity at retirement). If we had the same system, there would be no promised benefit. Your and your employer's contributions would go into a separate trust for your benefit, and you would be able to pick from a variety of investment options. When you retired, you would buy an annuity with your available funds which would provide you with an income stream for life.
As for it being the same as our current system, try this experiment: take the contributions you and your employer have made since you started working (information available from the statement the social security administration sends you annually). Run a future value calculation at a conservative return (8% isn't unreasonable considering what the stock market has averaged over extended periods of time). Unless you've been working for minimum wage your whole life, you should end up with seven figures.
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nightintheruts Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:06:52pm |
re: #395 alien_mind
its a pretty crude world we live in when this type of behavior seems appropriate to so many.
I know right?
And to see that video of how those republican marchers in Manhattan were treated. It was like watching when the bodies of our soldiers were dragged through the streets in Iraq.
I found it hard to believe those were Americans.
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jcm Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:07:22pm |
re: #400 Syrah
And then the "producers" will go on strike.
From each according to his ability, to each according to his need, makes for a beggared people.
Atlas Shrugged, writ real.
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formercorpsman Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:07:33pm |
re: #353 Cartman
Someone told me today, reading while doing number 2 on the toilet was a bad thing.
I got the message.
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wright1 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:07:39pm |
Just look at Zogby versus the CBS poll. How can they be that far apart? Answer: Polls that are unscientific and biased/rigged are designed to move the final poll numbers toward a particular direction. Zogby is generally reliable. And McCain is within striking distance. That does not mean tomorrow is not significant. It is crucial. But he will do fine.
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:08:08pm |
re: #400 Syrah
And then the "producers" will go on strike.
From each according to his ability, to each according to his need, makes for a beggared people.
Those with ability will hide it. Those with need will exaggerate it.
Not the kind of society I want to live in, or leave to my children.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:08:09pm |
re: #404 joecitizen
or a buggered people..
No, thank you very much. I get more than enough of that already relying on the Veteran's Administration for my medical care.
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Mich-again Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:08:57pm |
Is your candidate a Barracuda or a Clown Fish?
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wolfie Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:09:31pm |
After a reading a chunk of this thread, I went over and looked out the window.
And, yes! There IS a full moon !
Awhoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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jtm371 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:10:11pm |
re: #411 FurryOldGuyJeans
Thank You for your service.i spent many a day in VA hospitals in my youth my father was WW11 vet.
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Palandine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:10:36pm |
re: #409 wright1
Just look at Zogby versus the CBS poll. How can they be that far apart? Answer: Polls that are unscientific and biased/rigged are designed to move the final poll numbers toward a particular direction. Zogby is generally reliable. And McCain is within striking distance. That does not mean tomorrow is not significant. It is crucial. But he will do fine.
They're over-polling dems, and they're just plain wrong about other things. Rove, that magnificent bastard!, has Missouri up for grabs. It isn't--it will go McCain. If even smart people are getting things like that wrong, what else are they getting wrong?
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sharp_discernment Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:11:59pm |
re: #401 FurryOldGuyJeans
Not only appropriate, but condoned and encouraged as well by so many that have so little tolerance for any opinion or viewpoint that differs from theirs.
I think skanky reality shows and hollywood in general have desensitized this country to sexism. We (figuratively speaking) laugh at it and are entertained by it, and then when the issue becomes serious and some respect is called for, people are like "What's respect?"
Sarah is such a class act. I think she gets energized when people attack her. It's like rocket fuel.
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Syrah Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:12:27pm |
re: #404 joecitizen
Some may take more to your Aristophanic variation.
On a more direct line, the only winner in the game of From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs, is the person who's best ability is in persuading others of his superior needs. The best beggar wins.
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nightintheruts Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:13:32pm |
re: #411 FurryOldGuyJeans
No, thank you very much. I get more than enough of that already relying on the Veteran's Administration for my medical care.
Been there!
not too get too personal - my first prostate exam at the age of 32 by a woman with hands like Andre the friggin' giant.
I'm still in therapy. = )
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:13:47pm |
