Fish or Pole?
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Some very cool politically informed graphics from design student Heather Mantovani, at Andy Rutledge’s place: Design in the Sociopolitical Arena.

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Images | Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 6:27:50 pm PDT
Some very cool politically informed graphics from design student Heather Mantovani, at Andy Rutledge’s place: Design in the Sociopolitical Arena.

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CynicalConservative Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:29:55pm |
Ahhh, fishing.... Maybe I don't work tomorrow...
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Cap'n DOC Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:30:12pm |
Okay, folks. Fish or cut bait! To fish one must have a pole or a seine. I prefer the pole. More sporting. Does a fish caught on a pole taste differently than one taken in a seine?
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Idle Drifter Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:30:57pm |
I don't need a fish or a fishing pole. I use dynamite, baby!
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:32:02pm |
Would have been nice if the republican candidate had a similar message.
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Cap'n DOC Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:32:32pm |
re: #6 Cap'n DOC
Damn! Forgot the sarc tag. Do I get a do-over?
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Irene NYC Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:32:43pm |
I was just thinking about this yesterday. It must be in the air.
"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."
The Chinese were onto something there...
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:33:19pm |
re: #3 Cap'n DOC
Okay, folks. Fish or cut bait! To fish one must have a pole or a seine. I prefer the pole. More sporting. Does a fish caught on a pole taste differently than one taken in a seine?
Scientific studies have discovered that fish, caught on a pole and hook, goes through much more trauma than fish caught in a seine, which causes some metabolic changes that can effect the taste of the fish when cooked.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:33:34pm |
re: #7 Killgore Trout
Would have been nice if the republican candidate had a similar message.
It's just as much 0bama's message. He wants to had out free fish. Oh- and he'll tax anyone with a pole.
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:34:04pm |
I'd like ta go fishin' and smokin' and drinkin' with Tom Waits...
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Cap'n DOC Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:35:56pm |
re: #12 Walter L. Newton
I don't know how the Game Warden would look on my cartin' a seine to my favorite fishin' spot, Walter. I've timed my retrievals through the ice, and I'd say the trauma on average lasts about 30 seconds. After that, they be dead.
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:36:02pm |
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:36:11pm |
re: #14 Sharmuta
It's just as much 0bama's message. He wants to had out free fish. Oh- and he'll tax anyone with a pole.
Should be "hand out free fish".
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ArmyWife Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:36:11pm |
re: #12 Walter L. Newton
How 'bout a big ol gun. What does that do to the metabolic levels?
/why I eat venison
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:36:28pm |
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Irene NYC Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:36:39pm |
re: #17 MandyManners
I wonder if BHO's ever fished.
I don't know about that, but his wife says he has stinky feet.
/I know there's a connection there somewhere.
;)
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zato Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:36:43pm |
Yes! No handouts! The Barry Obama socialist policies don't work in the long run.
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CynicalConservative Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:36:57pm |
re: #17 MandyManners
I wonder if BHO's ever fished.
Just in our wallets for re-distribution "donations"
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Sgt.Slappy Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:37:10pm |
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jorline Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:37:56pm |
OT...sorry, but..................
Mahoney audio, you work at my pleasure, OK...call what's her name, OK...your fired, OK?
Isn't it illegal for Mahoney to threaten her by withholding her last paycheck?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:38:07pm |
re: #21 ArmyWife
How 'bout a big ol gun. What does that do to the metabolic levels? /why I eat venison
Ah, I made that answer up. I should have used a sarc tag. But, if any scientist HAVE studied catching fist, I bet it was financed by money from a democratic rider to a bill.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:38:39pm |
re: #27 jorline
OT...sorry, but..................
Mahoney audio, you work at my pleasure, OK...call what's her name, OK...your fired, OK?
Isn't it illegal for Mahoney to threaten her by withholding her last paycheck?
Not if she didn't put out!
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:38:49pm |
re: #14 Sharmuta
Agreed. A decent conservative candidate would have embraced this (or something like it) as an ad campaign. It's hip, easy to understand and it's a marketable concept. Instead McCain is parroting Obama's 'yes we can' and "change" slogans instead of coming up with something himself. This isn't a million dollar ad campaign thought up my high paid marketing experts. This is from some idiot's blog! (apologies to the idiot and his blog, they're both fantastic I'm sure) But why isn't this McCain's core message? There are tons of great ideas out there. Pick one!
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jorline Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:38:59pm |
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Idle Drifter Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:39:07pm |
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FrogMarch Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:39:16pm |
re: #15 FrogMarch
Awesome.
I love this.
whoa - If you actually go to "youcan" dot com - you get:
YouCan.com
+ YouCan.net
+ YouCan.ws
is for Sale at $999,999.00
I don't have that kind of money.
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BakaRanger Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:40:10pm |
If you're a vegetarian is the choice a carrot or a stick?
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:40:39pm |
re: #30 Killgore Trout
This could have been McCain's campaign song: John the Fisherman
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:41:32pm |
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formercorpsman Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:41:54pm |
re: #30 Killgore Trout
Yes, thank you.
A simple, yet relevant message transcending class, education, and understanding.
Back to basics.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:42:04pm |
re: #38 Walter L. Newton
That was clever Walter.
Well, thank you. It's a little quiet in her tonight.
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jorline Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:42:23pm |
re: #29 Walter L. Newton
Not if she didn't put out!
How are you, Walter?
May be I missed the /sarc?
That's not the point of the conversation. He's telling if she doesn't call what's her name he'll withhold her last check.
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:42:34pm |
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Meremortal Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:42:38pm |
Want to see something wonderful this evening?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:42:45pm |
re: #40 Walter L. Newton
Well, thank you. It's a little quiet in her tonight.
Yes, it is. I saw Killgore, but he was talking to himself, see message #30.
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formercorpsman Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:42:48pm |
Now I am off to look at my neighbor's ankle.
Ever since Barry said it is a right, well,....
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Palandine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:43:02pm |
re: #17 MandyManners
I wonder if BHO's ever fished.
He says in his Field and Stream interview (where he stupidly [for him] let the mask slip that he's a collosal gun-grabber) that he spear-fished in Hawaii, but never in Illinois.
/Palandine's still recovering from a great episode of House. She has a huge crush on Hugh Laurie
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Gang of One Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:43:03pm |
re: #10 Irene NYC
I was just thinking about this yesterday. It must be in the air.
"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."
The Chinese were onto something there...
This is also in Pirke Avot -- Sayings of the Fathers ... Judaism 301
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FrogMarch Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:43:17pm |
re: #30 Killgore Trout
He's 72. We have to push him across the finish line so we don't have to live with a inept socialist and his inept and corrupt congress for 4-8.
Otherwise, I agree with you. McCain - heck -republicans in general - have an aversion to updating and modernizing the conservative message. It's way past time.
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ggt Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:43:34pm |
repost from downstairs:
good Evening Lizards! It was a glorious day in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicago today. The Fall colors are in full bloom.
From the posts downstairs it seems the Obama campers are feeling some competition from McCain/Palin.
How are you-all tonite and what are we talking about?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:43:36pm |
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Archimedes Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:43:42pm |
re: #36 BakaRanger
If you're a vegetarian is the choice a carrot or a stick?
Vegetarian -- an old Indian word meaning "bad hunter".
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:43:44pm |
re: #30 Killgore Trout
I'm not so certain that would work anyways. Too many people are willing to take the free fish because they don't equate it with dependence nor the dangers that dependence really means.
I still think people want cheap energy for their cars and homes. They want job security. 0bama's not going to help with either, and I think McCain should hammer him on it.
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jorline Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:44:02pm |
re: #32 MandyManners
LOL...let's hope Joe is resting comfortably in the "Villages" this time next year.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:44:16pm |
re: #39 formercorpsman
It's not complicated and it's not expensive. Great marketable versions of "conservatism" are out there. In fact they're a dime a dozen for those who know where to look. I'm not even a conservative and it's plain for me to see. What's the deal with the rest of you?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:44:30pm |
re: #41 jorline
How are you, Walter? May be I missed the /sarc?
That's not the point of the conversation. He's telling if she doesn't call what's her name he'll withhold her last check.
Yes, I was being silly. I'm in a silly mood today. I'm trying to get my dose of silly in before the debates tomorrow night.
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ggt Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:45:08pm |
re: #43 Meremortal
Internet Explorer will not display --or can't. I don't know which.
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3 wood Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:45:10pm |
OT: LIBOR rates show some signs of easing.
Money-market tensions begin to ease
LONDON (MarketWatch) -- Key short-term lending rates fell slightly again Tuesday, raising hopes that massive government bailouts and wide-ranging debt and deposit guarantees will soon begin to thaw the world's frozen interbank lending markets.
The London interbank offered rate, or Libor, for three-month dollar-denominated loans fell to 4.635% from 4.725% Monday, while the one-month rate declined to 4.46875% from 4.56%.
Tuesday's easing is welcome news, but money-market rates "are still very high," said Zach Witton, an analyst at Moody's Economy.com, in a research note.
Libor is closely followed as a measure of borrowing costs in the interbank market.
This is a good sign but the rates are still very high.
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jorline Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:45:21pm |
re: #38 Walter L. Newton
That was clever Walter.
LMAO...Walter, you scare me when you answer yourself.
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tedzilla99 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:45:47pm |
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:45:50pm |
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spidly Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:46:03pm |
re: #10 Irene NYC
I was just thinking about this yesterday. It must be in the air.
"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to
fishfill out 100 ballots for a fish thief and you feed him for alifetimefew more days."The
ChineseACORN's were onto something there...
fixed for Huffpo and Kos
other peoples fish are less tasty but the time saved allows for more Xbox
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FrogMarch Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:46:21pm |
re: #49 Meremortal
Rats, link no work...grrrrr
Try this.
[Link: www.flixxy.com...]
you had an extra . in there.
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Spider Mensch Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:46:32pm |
re: #46 Palandine
He says in his Field and Stream interview (where he stupidly [for him] let the mask slip that he's a collosal gun-grabber) that he spear-fished in Hawaii, but never in Illinois.
/Palandine's still recovering from a great episode of House. She has a huge crush on Hugh Laurie
emptying his stapler into a gold fishbowl does not qualify him as a spear fisher. but thats the obama way. just like his grandpappy/uncle liberating aushwitz...this man is the king of lies.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:46:33pm |
If they hand you a fish. It is generally a stinky, smelly, bad fish that you don't want.
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jorline Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:46:47pm |
re: #57 Walter L. Newton
Yes, I was being silly. I'm in a silly mood today. I'm trying to get my dose of silly in before the debates tomorrow night.
Silly on, brother!
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3 wood Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:46:48pm |
The Nikkei in Tokyo is down 100 points so far after the open.
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Sevoguy Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:46:57pm |
NO PLACE ELSE TO PUT THIS UNTIL AN OVERNIGHT THREAD IS CREATED.
Off Topic:
Just saw BODY OF LIES and just maybe Hollyweird is starting to understand the threat that radical Islam poses to Western Civilization. I sat watching this movie thinking that the word is finally going to get out to the public about this cancer we lizards call ISLAMISM.
Sorry-------no link to post.
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:47:08pm |
re: #51 Walter L. Newton
That's slang for "in here."
ah..you speak in the vernacular..I can dig it...
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:47:08pm |
re: #10 Irene NYC
I was just thinking about this yesterday. It must be in the air.
"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."
The Chinese were onto something there...
A friend in the Thai Army of all places is fond of saying, "Build a man a fire, you keep him warm for an hour; set a man on fire, you keep him warm for the rest of his life."
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tradewind Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:47:38pm |
Let's keep the cartoon thing going......
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:47:52pm |
re: #53 Sharmuta
I'm not so certain that would work anyways. Too many people are willing to take the free fish because they don't equate it with dependence nor the dangers that dependence really means.
Americans have a long tradition of self reliance and independence. These character traits are fading just because nobody's celebrating them anymore but they are still very relevant to our national psyche. How about conservatives embracing these values again? If I have to hear one more "conservative" whine about losing because the press isn't fair I'm going to shit a pickle!
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JohnAdams Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:48:16pm |
How old is this graphic artist?
I've been saying repeatedly that I've met no one under the age of 30 who is not in lock-step for The One.
Will she refute my bare hold on bitterness to the "utes."
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:48:52pm |
re: #71 Shiplord Kirel
A friend in the Thai Army of all places is fond of saying, "Build a man a fire, you keep him warm for an hour; set a man on fire, you keep him warm for the rest of his life."
I heard this one...
Give a man a shot of arsenic, and you...
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Palandine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:49:04pm |
re: #65 Spider Mensch
emptying his stapler into a gold fishbowl does not qualify him as a spear fisher. but thats the obama way. just like his grandpappy/uncle liberating aushwitz...this man is the king of lies.
Says something about him and his relationship with boomsticks that he couldn't even fake being a sportsman, like J F'n K tried to.
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cblesz Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:50:00pm |
OK...PLEASE McCain call out Obama on the $250,000...the commercials are evrywhere!
Anyone know what came of Corsi's damning evidence?
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saberry0530 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:50:13pm |
re: #35 FrogMarch
whoa - If you actually go to "youcan" dot com - you get:
YouCan.com
+ YouCan.net
+ YouCan.ws
is for Sale at $999,999.00I don't have that kind of money.
We can set up a payment plan if you need it.
//////
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lawhawk Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:50:25pm |
re: #59 3 wood
High as compared to when? I ran a LIBOR chart here from 2000 to 2008, and rates go from 7 in 2000 to 1 in 2003/2004, and are now around 4.5.
Going back to 1987 (earliest that that site works), the rates got over 10 in 1989.
I guess what I'm trying to figure out is the context of LIBOR and why these particular rates are considered high.
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jorline Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:50:34pm |
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tradewind Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:50:35pm |
re: #42 joecitizen
Think 'rat cheer'.
As in 'Drop your ACORN registrations in this shoe box rat cheer '. **
** right here, for yankees
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:51:00pm |
re: #76 Palandine
Says something about him and his relationship with boomsticks that he couldn't even fake being a sportsman, like J F'n K tried to.
When JFnK went into the woods and carried out those poor birds (that someone else shot for his sorry ass) for a photo op, it made me as angry as I have ever been during a campaign.
Actually pissed me off more than anything that "The One" has done. And "The One" has pissed me off before.
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Spider Mensch Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:51:02pm |
re: #76 Palandine
Says something about him and his relationship with boomsticks that he couldn't even fake being a sportsman, like J F'n K tried to.
you really know what obamas favorite sport is? whatever michele tells him his favorite sport is.
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JustMyView Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:51:24pm |
re: #17 MandyManners
I wonder if BHO's ever fished.
He says that he went fishing with his grandfather.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:51:27pm |
re: #78 cblesz
OK...PLEASE McCain call out Obama on the $250,000...the commercials are evrywhere!
Anyone know what came of Corsi's damning evidence?
I saw one tonight that claimed McCain will raise the middle-class family's taxes a HUGE amount.
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soccerdad Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:51:51pm |
wow....now it is credit card fraud. Has the discourse in this country devolved this much that not only do people (on BOTH SIDES) steal votes, but are engaging in CC fraud?
Couple Challenges $2300 Credit Card Charge to Obama Campaign
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David Simon Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:52:28pm |
re: #30 Killgore Trout
But why isn't this McCain's core message?
With over half the U.S. population reliant on the government for a significant portion of their income, it's a hard sell. To her credit, Sarah Palin brought up the subject of personal responsibility in her debate with Plugs. But she still felt the need to temper it by making "greedy Wall Street" the villainous focal point.
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cblesz Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:52:48pm |
re: #86 MandyManners
I saw one tonight that claimed McCain will raise the middle-class family's taxes a HUGE amount.
It is all just plain freaking lies and he gets away with it...if I am an average Joe and do not know any better...I think, yup Obama is MY GUY
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sharp_discernment Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:52:59pm |
It's sad, but MANY people are content just to get the fish, rotting or not.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:53:06pm |
re: #73 Killgore Trout
Americans have a long tradition of self reliance and independence. These character traits are fading just because nobody's celebrating them anymore but they are still very relevant to our national psyche. How about conservatives embracing these values again? If I have to hear one more "conservative" whine about losing because the press isn't fair I'm going to shit a pickle!
Hey- I agree. I don't know what it's been about the press in the last 8 years that's made any republican think they were going to be fair this year. These are the cards we've been dealt, and it's better to deal with them as they are than whine about the cards we wish we had.
Personally- I'd like the Eeyores to stop- to shut up, buck up and do what they can to help defeat 0bama. I'd like to see the so-called republican pundits stop- to shut up, buck up and do what they can to help defeat 0bama. Once we keep this man out of the White House, we can work on what we need to do to fix our "product" to the American people, but 3 weeks before the election is not the time to solve this problem. It's too late. We should have started dealing with it in November 2004. It's waited this long, it can go 3 more weeks, but we have to defeat 0bama first.
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:53:10pm |
re: #82 tradewind
Think 'rat cheer'.
As in 'Drop your ACORN registrations in this shoe box rat cheer '. **** right here, for yankees
like the cats from the north during the civil war who couldn't comprehend the southern boys sayin' they were 'fightin' for our rats..'
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tradewind Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:53:19pm |
You can't make this shiite up:
Fox News just ran a crawl that said
' Grateful Dead members drum up support for Obama'
The irony.....
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:53:26pm |
re: #87 soccerdad
BIG OBAMA IS RIPPING US OFF!
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soccerdad Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:53:46pm |
re: #14 Sharmuta
It's just as much 0bama's message. He wants to had out free fish. Oh- and he'll tax anyone with a pole.
So does than mean women get away untaxed?
/ducks
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FrogMarch Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:54:04pm |
re: #86 MandyManners
I saw one tonight that claimed McCain will raise the middle-class family's taxes a HUGE amount.
The left have learned that they have to lie about taxes. They finally get it .
It won't matter. Once democrats are elected, they raise taxes.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:54:13pm |
re: #90 sharp_discernment
It's sad, but MANY people are content just to get the fish, rotting or not.
As long as the one you got is rotting too.
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offendi Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:54:29pm |
re: #17 MandyManners
I wonder if BHO's ever fished.
He just makes them magically appear with wine, after he walks on water of course.
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Meremortal Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:54:39pm |
re: #62 Walter L. Newton
How are you today?
Hey Walter. I'm very well, except I'm having problems posting a link to an awesome video. And you?
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willowone Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:54:48pm |
i am praying i'm not asked to load the fish-hook.
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gmsc Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:54:52pm |
For those who missed the good news from the previous thread:
BREAKING: 6th Circuit reverses on TRO (devastation, humiliation for Jennifer Brunner)
A 3-judge panel of the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals recently vacated a temporary restraining order which would effectively make Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner follow the law - and do her job - in preventing election fraud. Tonight, the full court decided to hear the case en banc, and has reimposed the TRO. This is great news.
Here are some highlights:
"So far as this record is concerned, the Secretary has given no tenable exlanation why her current interpretation of the statute, as opposed to the office's prior implementation of the law, remotely furthers the anti-fraud objective of the law."
The Ohio Republican Party's position is "not only sensible but it is also fair - and it also furthers both objectives of HAVA ..."
The court mocks Brunner's defense as "[t]he bureaucrats' lament - that this will be difficult to do."
UPDATE: In looking at the decision, it appears the full court voted 9-6 to hear the case en banc (which means all of them). I'd say the 9-6 vote is a good sign, but doesn't necessarily mean the case will end that way. Tonight's decision has been described as the opportunity to "live and fight another day." But in the world of temporary restraining orders, if you have it, that's all that matters for the time being. And the time being is what is crucial right now.
Second point - the initial district court decision got some press because the judge found that Brunner was actually violating the law. That dialogue was snuffed out by the subsequent reversal. But now it's back. When you run into Jennifer Brunner on the street, you can ask her why she's violating federal election laws.
UPDATE 2: Here's a link to the decision (pdf).
Independent verification of this:
Temporary restraining order reimposed in Ohio voting scandal
Federal court: Ohio must check voter registrations (Warning: AP version)
Judge Rules Against Ohio Elections Official in Battle Over Voter ...
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:54:57pm |
re: #88 David Simon
With over half the U.S. population reliant on the government for a significant portion of their income, it's a hard sell. To her credit, Sarah Palin brought up the subject of personal responsibility in her debate with Plugs. But she still felt the need to temper it by making "greedy Wall Street" the villainous focal point.
Half of the population of America is on governmental assistance?
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JeremyR Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:54:57pm |
re: #10 Irene NYC
I was just thinking about this yesterday. It must be in the air.
"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."
The Chinese were onto something there...
The Minnesota version is Give a man a fish you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will be gone all afternoons and most weekends so there will be peace in the house.
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ArmyWife Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:54:58pm |
re: #35 FrogMarch
I have a paypal account. If you simply make your non-tax deductible donations to that, I promise to buy this link and make it one humdinger of a website. Trust me. Go ahead, take out your credit cards.
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Pechon Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:55:04pm |
I really like both ads and I'd love to see a similar ad campaign in the future. It's about time the GOP gets back to party basics and tells the public that we're a party about empowerment and not entitlement.
re: #12 Walter L. Newton
Technically yes, if you fight the fish too much, it builds up lactic acid in its muscles and in some cases can be deadly. That's why its important to set the drag correctly on the reel and if you're really concerned, mash down the barbs on your hooks to allow the fish to throw it if it fights too much. Most fish survive catch-and-release if an angler is careful and doesn't handle the fish too much.
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J.S. Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:55:05pm |
re: #50 ggt
Full moon tonight...Canadian election polls have closed (Harper may not have a majority -- may be back to a minority government...although may have to wait a few more hours to find out who's out/who's in...Elizabeth MoonBat May of the Green Party has conceded defeat! shocking! She's not gonna be Canada's next Prime Minister! ! !
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Jim in Virginia Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:55:19pm |
re: #59 3 wood 3wood- Brian Williams yesterday predicted two years of 8% unemployment. But gas is down to 2.75 a gallon, which is as good as a shiny new stimulus check.
Go out on a limb here- what's going to happen?
My theory: if the western economies fall off the cliff, we catch a cold, the EU falls apart, and China has a bloody new Revolution.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:55:27pm |
re: #89 cblesz
It is all just plain freaking lies and he gets away with it...if I am an average Joe and do not know any better...I think, yup Obama is MY GUY
Joe Blow's not that stupid.
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3 wood Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:55:38pm |
re: #80 lawhawk
I guess what I'm trying to figure out is the context of LIBOR and why these particular rates are considered high.
The spread between LIBOR and the US discount rate is the key. It means that the UK banks don''t want to loan money to each other and the is still freezing the credit market. The fact that the rates are dropping is a good sign, but still there is a long way to go.
Over all thought today was a great day, I shot a 74 this afternoon. with 4 birdies.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:55:43pm |
re: #95 soccerdad
So does than mean women get away untaxed?
/ducks
I didn't find this funny. Would you say this to Sarah Palin?
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David Simon Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:56:43pm |
re: #59 3 wood
OT: LIBOR rates show some signs of easing.
Money-market tensions begin to ease
This is a good sign but the rates are still very high.
Wow. At LIBOR plus 8.5%, we taxpayers are making a killing on "our" loan to AIG. ;->
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JohnAdams Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:56:58pm |
re: #73 Killgore Trout
Americans have a long tradition of self reliance and independence. These character traits are fading just because nobody's celebrating them anymore but they are still very relevant to our national psyche. How about conservatives embracing these values again? If I have to hear one more "conservative" whine about losing because the press isn't fair I'm going to shit a pickle!
You touch upon a few competing movements here. Absolutely, the America of Washington, Jefferson, Emerson, Thoreau, Whitman, formed the base of who we are as a people. This is the wildcat soul of America and especially conservatism. And yet fewer and fewer people even know what this is. They know they are "conservative," because they know inherently what is right. But they don't have the backing of the true founding spirit of this country to really hold them up. This is because this stuff is not taught in schools anymore today. It's all about "the world and our place in it."
Once we no longer teach American history, we no longer have America. It's just another part of the "international community of nations."
Among the young, the widespread ignorance is shocking and disgraceful. They are getting the world they wish, and it is because we, their elders (and not implacating anyone here, many of whom tried to do the right thing), we did not do a good enough job of educating them.
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solomonpanting Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:57:00pm |
The list of Liberal definitions on the second postcard immediately reminded me of the questionnaire in the movie The Parallax View, whereby potential assassins are screened after answering pages of a psycological profile.
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Palandine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:57:04pm |
re: #108 MandyManners
Joe Blow's not that stupid.
Amen.
McCain wins election night. I'm 75% sure of it.
/and 100% sure I'm getting drunk regardless
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Ojoe Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:57:12pm |
Well the Towercam is on the fritz, so here is some pointless fun instead.
and/or
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Shr_Nfr Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:57:37pm |
I am glad somebody finally got reel with their graphics.
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ArmyWife Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:57:47pm |
re: #102 MandyManners
I'm with you. Link please? I just do not buy this. I don't know anyone on any sort of gov't assistance, and you would think I could point to SOMEONE if 50% of the population was getting a handout.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:57:49pm |
re: #96 FrogMarch
The left have learned that they have to lie about taxes. They finally get it .
It won't matter. Once democrats are elected, they raise taxes.
I hope people think back to Carter.
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jorline Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:58:13pm |
re: #107 Jim in Virginia
3wood- Brian Williams yesterday predicted two years of 8% unemployment. But gas is down to 2.75 a gallon, which is as good as a shiny new stimulus check.
Go out on a limb here- what's going to happen?
My theory: if the western economies fall off the cliff, we catch a cold, the EU falls apart, and China has a bloody new Revolution.
Good call Brian Williams...gas is $2.56 a gallon here.
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:58:18pm |
re: #110 Sharmuta
I didn't find this funny. Would you say this to Sarah Palin?
lighten up, Francis...
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goddessoftheclassroom Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:58:56pm |
Good night, dear Lizards. I'm praying for the best outcome for America.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:59:01pm |
re: #101 gmsc
Something occurred to me today.
Are there going to be police at polling stations. Officials at polling stations are generally (in my area anyway) little old men and ladies. I can imagine the little old ladies and gentlemen who check IDs and stuff are (in many areas) going to be intimidated by voters.
Something else, why do I always try to spell voters v-o-t-o-r-s? Cause it sounds like motor?
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:59:06pm |
re: #108 MandyManners
Joe Blow's not that stupid.
I hope you are right.
It seems Alinsky has worked so far... Republicans are straight-jacketed by a need for truth. If an Obama "problem" is reported as having happened on a Tuesday but he really did it on a Wednesday, the charge itself is dismissed.
Meanwhile, Obama gets to lie with impunity.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:59:12pm |
re: #116 Palandine
Amen.
McCain wins election night. I'm 75% sure of it.
/and 100% sure I'm getting drunk regardless
I just wish it would hurry up and happen. I feel like a little kid waiting for Christmas.
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David Simon Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:59:43pm |
re: #102 MandyManners
Half of the population of America is on governmental assistance?
I wouldn't put it quite that way. The figure includes people who have government jobs.
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gmsc Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:59:51pm |
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jorline Tue, Oct 14, 2008 6:59:53pm |
re: #125 goddessoftheclassroom
Good night, dear Lizards. I'm praying for the best outcome for America.
{goddess}
How are you tonight?
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willowone Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:00:11pm |
re: #112 David Simon
does that mean we will get "stuff" or we will have a bigger gvt, to Tell us if we need money and what for?
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twincitiesgirl Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:00:13pm |
re: #129 MandyManners
I just wish it would hurry up and happen. I feel like a little kid waiting for Christmas.
or Halloween
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:00:29pm |
"Build a man a fire and he will be warm today.
Set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life."
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/Old Fire Dept proverb.
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3 wood Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:00:33pm |
re: #107 Jim in Virginia
Go out on a limb here- what's going to happen?
My theory: if the western economies fall off the cliff, we catch a cold, the EU falls apart, and China has a bloody new Revolution.
We have a recession for about 9 months to a year (longer if Obama wins and raises taxes), the European Union collapses, severe downturn in the UK and Ireland, the DOW bounces between 8500 and 9500 for the next 3 quarters, China and Japan are in a world of hurt, oil drops to around $60 a barrel and Chavez gets his in an uprising in Venezuela.
Iran's economy implodes.
An everything still gets blamed on Bush.
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JohnAdams Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:00:50pm |
re: #121 MandyManners
I hope people think back to Carter.
These people don't even know who Carter is.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:01:02pm |
re: #120 ArmyWife
I'm with you. Link please? I just do not buy this. I don't know anyone on any sort of gov't assistance, and you would think I could point to SOMEONE if 50% of the population was getting a handout.
Does drawing SS count?
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FrogMarch Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:01:09pm |
re: #104 ArmyWife
I have a paypal account. If you simply make your non-tax deductible donations to that, I promise to buy this link and make it one humdinger of a website. Trust me. Go ahead, take out your credit cards.
Well, you're an Army Wife - so sure. Where do I sign?
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arethusa Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:01:17pm |
re: #120 ArmyWife
I'm with you. Link please? I just do not buy this. I don't know anyone on any sort of gov't assistance, and you would think I could point to SOMEONE if 50% of the population was getting a handout.
"Half of Americans on government assistance" sounds like one of those states where they're including anything that could be construed as "assistance": Social Security, disability, student loans from the government, etc., etc.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:01:32pm |
re: #128 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
I hope you are right.
It seems Alinsky has worked so far... Republicans are straight-jacketed by a need for truth. If an Obama "problem" is reported as having happened on a Tuesday but he really did it on a Wednesday, the charge itself is dismissed.
Meanwhile, Obama gets to lie with impunity.
He's not gonna' win.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:01:38pm |
re: #91 Sharmuta
.....we can work on what we need to do to fix our "product" to the American people, but 3 weeks before the election is not the time to solve this problem. It's too late.
Indeed. Believe it or not I've been holding back on my criticism of McCain and Republicans. Wait until after the election, I have some things to say.
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arethusa Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:01:48pm |
re: #126 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Something else, why do I always try to spell voters v-o-t-o-r-s? Cause it sounds like motor?
Motor votor law?
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lawhawk Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:01:50pm |
re: #109 3 wood
The spread between LIBOR and the US discount rate is the key. It means that the UK banks don''t want to loan money to each other and the is still freezing the credit market. The fact that the rates are dropping is a good sign, but still there is a long way to go.
Over all thought today was a great day, I shot a 74 this afternoon. with 4 birdies.
Thanks... and nice score... haven't played golf all year... hit a few golf balls a few weeks back, but that was to get frustration out more than to work on my game...
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:01:50pm |
re: #130 David Simon
I wouldn't put it quite that way. The figure includes people who have government jobs.
Really? Link?
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Archimedes Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:01:51pm |
re: #89 cblesz
It is all just plain freaking lies and he gets away with it...if I am an average Joe and do not know any better...I think, yup Obama is MY GUY
Rush made a good point regarding the banks who are handing out the home loans. How can it be "greed" to give money to people who likely won't pay it back?
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jcm Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:02:10pm |
On of my favorite warbirds has retired.
Say goodbye to the MH-53 Pave Low, and hello to the CV-22 Osprey.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:02:25pm |
re: #134 twincitiesgirl
I just wish it would hurry up and happen. I feel like a little kid waiting for Christmas.
or Halloween
It never was agony waiting for Halloween for me.
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gmsc Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:02:29pm |
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:02:48pm |
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arethusa Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:03:36pm |
re: #142 Killgore Trout
Indeed. Believe it or not I've been holding back on my criticism of McCain and Republicans. Wait until after the election, I have some things to say.
We all will, the first time a President McCain does something McCain-ish. But I want him to be able to be McCain-ish in the White House at least.
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FrogMarch Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:03:44pm |
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:03:53pm |
re: #124 joecitizen
No. We have assholes running around in "Sarah Palin is a c***" t-shirts, and I for one am sick of sexist jokes.
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:04:09pm |
re: #137 JohnAdams
These people don't even know who Carter is.
After I had given Little Reject an extensive overview of the 1970's (when I went to college) she realized how much of a disaster a (G*d forbid) BO administration would be.
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solomonpanting Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:04:16pm |
re: #118 Shr_Nfr
I am glad somebody finally got reel with their graphics.
Especially when they're cast in a good light.
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Idle Drifter Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:04:20pm |
re: #136 3 wood
300 years from now, talking apes will dig up tome stones inscribed: "IT'S BUSH'S FAULT!"
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Occasional Reader Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:04:21pm |
This ad is racist.
Note that the fishing pole is brown.
Obama is a brown-skinned man.
This is subliminal message to racist, white Rethuglicans that Obama plans to "whip out" his long, brown pole, and ravish pure white women, in the big "Massa" house on the plantation.
Racist, racist, racist.
/Awaiting my tenured position at Columbia U. English Dept.
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PETN Sandwich Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:04:24pm |
Peace Corps (para),
Give a man a fish, he will have dinner for a day;
Teach a man to fish; he will have dinner for life.
Given that the Proclaimed One is such a fan of the Peace Corps, Its support for Bread, rather than growing crops, makes me want for the Circuses even more.
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twincitiesgirl Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:04:37pm |
re: #148 MandyManners
me either-- it's whether it will be trick or treat?
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Lively Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:05:06pm |
If you give a man a fish you feed him for a day. If you teach a man to fish, you get rid of him for the weekend.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:05:06pm |
re: #142 Killgore Trout
Indeed. Believe it or not I've been holding back on my criticism of McCain and Republicans. Wait until after the election, I have some things to say.
I've never been a McCain fan. I'm willing to give him a chance to bring the republicans back to their reforming Washington ways, but I will be holding the man's feet to the fire.
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ArmyWife Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:05:16pm |
re: #138 MandyManners
I wouldn't consider it as such Though not a fan of the SS system for philosophical reasons, its there and most who are receiving paid into it to begin with, even those getting it for a disability related reason. This is different than welfare. And honestly, there are people on welfare who legitimately need help for a bit. I wish it was handled through other private charities rather than taxes, but so be it. Its those on welfare for the twelvity-fourth time because they just had baby number 5 and aren't quite sure who to go after for child support that I struggle with the most!
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3 wood Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:05:18pm |
re: #144 lawhawk
Thanks... and nice score
With the season winding down I do not have to worry about protecting my torn rotator cuff so much, so I went back to a full swing and let it rip today. Had drives of between 260 and 300 yards all day, depending on the wind.
Driver - 9 iron is a fun way to play.
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David Simon Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:05:30pm |
re: #120 ArmyWife
I could point to SOMEONE if 50% of the population was getting a handout.
Yep. Except I didn't write "handout." Here's a link (and btw, I don't agree with the headline):
[Link: archive.newsmax.com...]
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arethusa Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:05:37pm |
I have just found the perfect remedy for my irritation at Alan Colmes/random liberal pundits on TV. I stack my cat's catnip mice (she has many) beside me, and throw them at Colmes et al. every time they misrepresent something. And my cat gets some exercise chasing the mouse. Perfect.
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:05:58pm |
re: #154 Sharmuta
No. We have assholes running around in "Sarah Palin is a c***" t-shirts, and I for one am sick of sexist jokes.
that's quite a stretch, shar..the man was goofin' fer crissake....for the record,none of those idiots would enjoy meeting me wearin' one of those, I believe violence has it's place...
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:06:00pm |
re: #153 FrogMarch
I know I do!
I was just a kid but, I remember the gas problems and hearing my dad bitch about inflation.
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Jim in Virginia Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:06:24pm |
re: #136 3 wood
We have a recession for about 9 months to a year (longer if Obama wins and raises taxes), the European Union collapses, severe downturn in the UK and Ireland, the DOW bounces between 8500 and 9500 for the next 3 quarters, China and Japan are in a world of hurt, oil drops to around $60 a barrel and Chavez gets his in an uprising in Venezuela.
Iran's economy implodes.
An everything still gets blamed on Bush.
Information dissemination (Navy blog; sorry, too tired to find the link) a month or so ago predicted the mullahs would soon need to do something (sink an oil tanker, attack a US Navy ship) to make oil prices spike. I put Putin in the same condition.
Whoever wins the election will have his hands full. shape. ran
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:06:25pm |
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:06:29pm |
re: #169 joecitizen
It's not a sexist joke to say women don't fish?
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3 wood Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:06:33pm |
re: #81 jorline
Oh yes, I saw that and linked it the other night. Great site, thanks.
Did you notice what the futures are doing?
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JohnAdams Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:06:35pm |
re: #150 MandyManners
Who are "these people"?
Jaysus, Mandy. Sorry to be so unspecific, but where I'm at, I'm SURROUNDED by them. They are sub-30 years of age, were raised by the flippin Mutant Ninja turtles, Teletubbies, Ward Churchills and Bill Ayers. Where I'm at, I'm the loneliest guy at the ball.
"Those" people. And I mean that with all due respect.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:06:36pm |
re: #161 twincitiesgirl
me either-- it's whether it will be trick or treat?
I just wish time would go faster.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:06:37pm |
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PETN Sandwich Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:06:55pm |
re: #163 Lively
Great minds read the Proclaimed One's platform.
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Noam Sayin' Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:07:01pm |
I see a whole host of rotating catch-phrases in that second one.
Are we still calling them rotating titles?
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WrathofG-d Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:07:04pm |
OT:
Although I am against the murder of anyone, and the killing of most people, I really think attacking Avigdor would be a horrible thing for both the Israelis & the Phakestinians. Some of Avigdor's friends are the types of Israelis you don't want to piss off if you are an Arab. This act could have the result of turning the Arab-Israel situation into something unbearable.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:07:06pm |
re: #169 joecitizen
And fercryingoutloud- all I said was I didn't find it funny.
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David Simon Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:07:09pm |
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arethusa Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:07:11pm |
re: #164 Sharmuta
I've never been a McCain fan. I'm willing to give him a chance to bring the republicans back to their reforming Washington ways, but I will be holding the man's feet to the fire.
I've always been a McCain fan, but I'm not as sure as I was in 2000 that he will be a good President. He'll be a decent one, though, and much better than the alternative, as you say.
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Metal Man Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:07:33pm |
Is your politician handing you a fish or a pole. The third option, they hand you dynamite and tell you to chose.
No one in this town could register any independents except the One. The Attorney asked him how he did it. The One told the attorney that he would take him registering independents the next day. Once they got to the middle of the city the One took out a stick of dynamite, lit it, and threw it to acorn. After the explosion independents started registering. The One took out a net and started picking up the voters. The Attorney told him that this was illegal. The man took out another stick of dynamite and lit it. He then handed it to the Attorney and said " Shut up and Vote!".
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Shr_Nfr Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:07:38pm |
re: #112 David Simon
Libor as reported has been under question now for a while. The rates that the banks actually charge each other and the rates that they report as the Libor have been shown to be different. As far as making money on AIG, it will happen if they get enough from the sale of the subs to pay down the uber-preferred that got issued. If you do your research very, very, very carefully, you may be able to find some preferreds issued by some of their subs that are trading at a substantial discount to par. However, you have to assure yourself that the sub is going to be one of the ones sold and you also have to make sure that the dividend is not deferrable. The last point is not as important as one might think, since the covenants on the preferred shares almost always bar the company from paying a dividend to the shareholders, here the company that bought the sub, while the preferred dividend is unpaid. However, the buying company could play the game of not taking any dividends from its sub for a long, long time and try to build the sub up. Hence, a cumulative, at a minimum, preferred is the way to go. As for the AIG stockholders, they should find someplace to put that brown drippy bag they are holding.
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3 wood Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:07:39pm |
re: #172 Jim in Virginia
Information dissemination (Navy blog; sorry, too tired to find the link) a month or so ago predicted the mullahs would soon need to do something (sink an oil tanker, attack a US Navy ship) to make oil prices spike
Their problem is they can't overcome the dropping demand. It's really plummeting.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:07:42pm |
re: #165 ArmyWife
I wouldn't consider it as such Though not a fan of the SS system for philosophical reasons, its there and most who are receiving paid into it to begin with, even those getting it for a disability related reason. This is different than welfare. And honestly, there are people on welfare who legitimately need help for a bit. I wish it was handled through other private charities rather than taxes, but so be it. Its those on welfare for the twelvity-fourth time because they just had baby number 5 and aren't quite sure who to go after for child support that I struggle with the most!
Don't most states demand a mother give a list of possible fathers before she gets the aid?
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:07:56pm |
re: #152 arethusa
We all will, the first time a President McCain does something McCain-ish. But I want him to be able to be McCain-ish in the White House at least.
McCain-ish isn't as bad as Obama-ish.
/one you can bitch about and live with, the other if you dare bitch about it you might be re-educated.
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ArmyWife Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:08:09pm |
re: #139 FrogMarch
Oh my little niave one! I am an Army wife, and a proud one. But just like Superman's Clark Kent, I have an alter ego during the day that might make you change your mind.
/BWAHAHAHAHA
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:08:24pm |
re: #168 arethusa
I have just found the perfect remedy for my irritation at Alan Colmes/random liberal pundits on TV. I stack my cat's catnip mice (she has many) beside me, and throw them at Colmes et al. every time they misrepresent something. And my cat gets some exercise chasing the mouse. Perfect.
Excellent idea! It beats throwing shoes.
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arethusa Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:09:11pm |
re: #167 David Simon
[Link: archive.newsmax.com...]
Yeah, the headline's wrong. I wouldn't call these the "dole" or "governmet assistance." Money quote:
Mr. Shilling's analysis found that about 1 in 5 Americans hold a government job or a job reliant on federal spending. A similar number receive Social Security or a government pension. About 19 million others get food stamps, 2 million get subsidized housing, and 5 million get education grants. For all these categories, Mr. Shilling counted dependents as well as the direct recipients of government income.
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:09:24pm |
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:09:28pm |
re: #176 JohnAdams
Jaysus, Mandy. Sorry to be so unspecific, but where I'm at, I'm SURROUNDED by them. They are sub-30 years of age, were raised by the flippin Mutant Ninja turtles, Teletubbies, Ward Churchills and Bill Ayers. Where I'm at, I'm the loneliest guy at the ball.
"Those" people. And I mean that with all due respect.
Goodness. Consider moving?
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jorline Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:09:29pm |
re: #175 3 wood
Oh yes, I saw that and linked it the other night. Great site, thanks.
Did you notice what the futures are doing?
No...may follow today...a lot of skeptics out there right now.
What did you think about Monday?
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:10:01pm |
re: #178 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
That's the spirit!
I'm just sickandfuckingtired of all the pissing, bitching and moaning.
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3 wood Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:10:14pm |
The DOW, NASDAQ and S&P 500 futures are all pointing down for the open tomorrow.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:10:34pm |
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HoosierHoops Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:10:54pm |
re: #104 ArmyWife
I have a paypal account. If you simply make your non-tax deductible donations to that, I promise to buy this link and make it one humdinger of a website. Trust me. Go ahead, take out your credit cards.
Is American Express ok?
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:10:56pm |
re: #174 Sharmuta
It's not a sexist joke to say women don't fish?
and, so what? we got bigger fish ta fry,so to speak...
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Mich-again Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:11:22pm |
Is your candidate the donkey or the tail with a pin.
Does your candidate hug pugs or tug plugs?
Does your candidate drive the garbage truck or does he just toss stuff in it.
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:11:34pm |
re: #191 MandyManners
Excellent idea! It beats throwing shoes.
I've found that ping-pong balls work very well, even found a gun that shoots 'em.
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jtm371 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:11:34pm |
11/1 redsox nation is going down long live the rays.BOOMER SOONER!
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3 wood Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:11:58pm |
re: #196 jorline
What did you think about Monday?
The market was oversold. Some great stocks are "stupid - cheap" out there. But just as there has been irrational selling, there was irrational buying.
We will continue to see that as long as the VIX stays as high as it is.
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:12:11pm |
re: #101 gmsc
For those who missed the good news from the previous thread:
BREAKING: 6th Circuit reverses on TRO (devastation, humiliation for Jennifer Brunner)
Independent verification of this:Temporary restraining order reimposed in Ohio voting scandal
Federal court: Ohio must check voter registrations (Warning: AP version)
Judge Rules Against Ohio Elections Official in Battle Over Voter ...
That is an amazing case, and a good indication of just how far the left is willing to go in its power-grab. Here we have an elected official, publicly sworn to uphold the law and the constitution, openly and blatantly aiding and abetting fraud for political reasons.
I am expecting real trouble on, and after, election day. Confident of media support, Obamunists will engage in massive fraud and quite possibly open violence in an effort to intimidate opposition voters. Given their record, and the institutionalized hypocricy of their attitude toward all democratic processes, there is no reason they wouldn't.
The courts could very well invalidate the result in Ohio, leading to a showdown and the usual orchestrated efforts at intimidation in the streets.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:12:23pm |
re: #204 jtm371
11/1 redsox nation is going down long live the rays.BOOMER SOONER!
I believe there's a tv in the hotel bar. hmmmm.
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Meremortal Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:12:25pm |
OK, let's try this again, if you love horses, feast your eyes...
I checked the link, it had better work.
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soccerdad Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:12:28pm |
re: #124 joecitizen
lighten up, Francis...
One of the classic lines of all time. niiiice.....and thanks for the quarter.
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Noam Sayin' Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:12:37pm |
re: #198 3 wood
The DOW, NASDAQ and S&P 500 futures are all pointing down for the open tomorrow.
As well it should. I'd hate to make up my $17k 2008 loss in just one week.
/
Made back $3,700 yesterday, probably gave some back today.
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arethusa Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:12:55pm |
re: #203 CIA Reject
I've found that ping-pong balls work very well, even found a gun that shoots 'em.
Where did you find it?
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:13:01pm |
re: #197 MandyManners
I'm just sickandfuckingtired of all the pissing, bitching and moaning.
Yeah, no kidding.
Do me a favor and give a *super whack* to any lizard that goes one the "Well, if Romney/Huckabee/Fred was the nominee..."
We get it... McCain was selected for us by cross-overs. Don't cry over it anymore... we have to make it work.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:13:11pm |
re: #203 CIA Reject
I've found that ping-pong balls work very well, even found a gun that shoots 'em.
I'm gonna' just rely on the MUTE button on my remote.
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:13:20pm |
re: #182 Sharmuta
And fercryingoutloud- all I said was I didn't find it funny.
fer the record,neither did I...kinda lame, but harmless
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:13:49pm |
Do conservatives want to win again someday? Embrace Twain, Thoreau, Franklin, Jefferson. These men were individuals who prized self reliance. Wanna save the environment? Embrace Roosevelt, Nuggent and countless other booger-eating-pickup-driving rednecks who hunt and fish. These people love the environment and use it every day. Far more than the Volvo driving progressive douche bags who drive out to look at wilderness once or twice per year. Focus on small government. lower taxes and individualism. Forget about abortions and gay rights. Those are lost causes for the "right". The American spirit is not dead but it's in retirement waiting for somebody to take up the fight.
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David Simon Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:13:52pm |
re: #165 ArmyWife
Though not a fan of the SS system for philosophical reasons, its there and most who are receiving paid into it to begin with, even those getting it for a disability related reason.
Social Security was badly misconcieved (like a lot of large-scale defined benefit pension plans that failed, it was based on faulty assumptions); it's a Ponzi scheme. The early recipients received way more than they ever contributed.
As for it "being there," I wouldn't count on it. Even Pelosi et al only talk of "shoring it up" 'til some future date.
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Idle Drifter Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:14:01pm |
re: #147 jcm
On of my favorite warbirds has retired.
Say goodbye to the MH-53 Pave Low, and hello to the CV-22 Osprey.
I have mixed feelings about it. MH-53s are some awesome aircraft, I wonder if they'll be scraped or sent to the Marines since they'll have CH-53Es for the foreseeable future. The Marines might actually be interested in the birds and their pave low systems. MV-22s are only replacing the CH-46s in the Marines last I heard.
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JohnAdams Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:14:23pm |
re: #195 MandyManners
Goodness. Consider moving?
The gazillion dollar question. I'm beginning to hate where I live, and yet all the people I treasure are here. Despite the lunatics. And yet aren't the lunatics everywhere now?
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:14:52pm |
re: #213 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Yeah, no kidding.
Do me a favor and give a *super whack* to any lizard that goes one the "Well, if Romney/Huckabee/Fred was the nominee..."
We get it... McCain was selected for us by cross-overs. Don't cry over it anymore... we have to make it work.
My whacker might wear out.
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ibmkeyboard Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:14:53pm |
The Obama campaign has condemned the reports of voter registration fraud and has called the charges leveled by the McCain campaign “completely transparent and false.”
Our founding fathers desire to have one citizen,
one vote has almost been destroyed by these traitors.
50 years ago these bastards would have been shot.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:14:53pm |
re: #201 joecitizen
and, so what? we got bigger fish ta fry,so to speak...
Yeah- because sexism in this country isn't an issue this year. Puh-lease.
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arethusa Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:15:05pm |
re: #214 MandyManners
I'm gonna' just rely on the MUTE button on my remote.
I have a deaf family member, so we always have the closed-captioning on. No escape.
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Mich-again Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:15:20pm |
Former Iran official gets 3 years for LA crime
A former Iranian official has been sentenced in Los Angeles to nearly three years in prison for violating the U.S. trade embargo against that country.Seyed Mousavi of Diamond Bar also was fined $12,500 and had his U.S. citizenship revoked Tuesday in federal court.
Wondering who his associates are.
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:15:26pm |
re: #212 arethusa
Where did you find it?
It was years ago, when I lived in Florida, but I as I recall it was hanging on a rack in a blister pack at either K-mart or Wally World. A 3-shot spring loaded pistol.
/Great fun!
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Idle Drifter Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:15:42pm |
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JeremyR Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:15:57pm |
re: #121 MandyManners
I hope people think back to Carter.
People don't need that long a memory. Clinton made hay with Bush and "Read my lips..." then promptly renigged and raised them.
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jorline Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:16:00pm |
re: #205 3 wood
The market was oversold. Some great stocks are "stupid - cheap" out there. But just as there has been irrational selling, there was irrational buying.
We will continue to see that as long as the VIX stays as high as it is.
Did you notice Iceland...index at 678 and there market was down 2326 point...77% down.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:16:06pm |
re: #219 JohnAdams
The gazillion dollar question. I'm beginning to hate where I live, and yet all the people I treasure are here. Despite the lunatics. And yet aren't the lunatics everywhere now?
The lunatics around here still will be voting for McCain/Palin.
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jcm Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:16:17pm |
re: #206 Shiplord Kirel
The WA 04 Gov. race was just a tune up for 08. Lot's of unverified registrations, determination of voter intent and malfeasance at all levels of a (D) controlled county.
Voila!
A stolen election.
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ArmyWife Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:16:21pm |
re: #188 MandyManners
yes - but if that list is 50 names and they all live at the corner of 5th and State, then what? Or if the State happens to get to the corner just at the right time and none of the prospects flees thinking its a bust, so they conduct a quick swab test, but low and behold, there isn't a match amongst them, then what? The possibilities are endless.
Lets say potential Daddy #49 is the one, but he decides stepping up to the plate is simply too much for him and won't pay, then what? In that case we have a person who I am supporting because the epitome of jerks is something unprintable here. My sympathy is a bit lower for the woman in that case rather than someone who fell in love, married, got pregnant only to discover husband is a weasel, and then Weasel won't pay child support.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:16:29pm |
re: #223 arethusa
I have a deaf family member, so we always have the closed-captioning on. No escape.
Close your eyes?
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ggt Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:17:08pm |
re: #146 Archimedes
because they turned around and sold those mortgages in a fraudulent manner.
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arethusa Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:17:17pm |
re: #221 ibmkeyboard
The Obama campaign has condemned the reports of voter registration fraud and has called the charges leveled by the McCain campaign “completely transparent and false.”
Our founding fathers desire to have one citizen,
one vote has almost been destroyed by these traitors.50 years ago these bastards would have been shot.
Think Hannity was saying earlier (before I started throwing catnip mice at Colmes) that the Obama website had been purged of any positive references to ACORN and The One's associations with them.
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the1sgjohns Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:17:39pm |
Social Security is recoverable. You just have to stop paying for things it was never intended to cover and pay back the money borrowed by Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr and the final death blow dealt by Clinton. Yeah the guy with the surplus, oh sorry it was borrowed on the back of SSA, yeah blows jobs for dentures sure why not.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:17:45pm |
re: #227 JeremyR
People don't need that long a memory. Clinton made hay with Bush and "Read my lips..." then promptly renigged and raised them.
Even though I did my best to be oblivious during Clinton's administrations, I remember that.
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jtm371 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:17:58pm |
hey FBV
i'm new to the club is that a inside joke?BOOMER SOONER!
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JohnAdams Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:18:01pm |
re: #216 Killgore Trout
Do conservatives want to win again someday? Embrace Twain, Thoreau, Franklin, Jefferson. These men were individuals who prized self reliance. Wanna save the environment? Embrace Roosevelt, Nuggent and countless other booger-eating-pickup-driving rednecks who hunt and fish. These people love the environment and use it every day. Far more than the Volvo driving progressive douche bags who drive out to look at wilderness once or twice per year. Focus on small government. lower taxes and individualism. Forget about abortions and gay rights. Those are lost causes for the "right". The American spirit is not dead but it's in retirement waiting for somebody to take up the fight.
I LOVE Ted Nugent, and mostly because he is so politically incorrect. But I saw him on HannityColmes and Smithers cut him to pieces pretty easily just by quoting his more outrageous statements back at him. Otherwise, that guy is Sarah Palin with TEETH.
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:18:04pm |
re: #214 MandyManners
I'm gonna' just rely on the MUTE button on my remote.
Yes, the MUTE button on the remote here at Casa Reject gets quite a workout, especially during the news...
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3 wood Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:18:15pm |
Hedge funds may become the new "investment bank".
Hedge funds target corporate lending as banks dry up
NEW YORK (Reuters) - An unprecedented cash crunch is choking the ability of banks to lend and creating an opportunity for hedge funds to launch, or ramp up corporate lending facilities.
Companies that have relied on bank borrowing to grow, or even maintain their business, are turning to hedge funds in a move that some say may signal a broad shift of lending from banks to asset managers.
"I have a very strong belief that the new investment banks will be the absolute return hedge funds and the managers of private equity," said Thomas Priore, Chief Executive at ICP Capital, an investment firm that manages $13 billion in fixed income assets, in New York.
You are going to see a lot of changes to how lending is done in the future.
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soccerdad Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:18:16pm |
re: #174 Sharmuta
It's not a sexist joke to say women don't fish?
You REALLY need to lighten up Shar. I told a sexist joke? YES I FRIGGIN DID. oh boo hoo.
jeez, try to have some fun .....and make people laugh with a stupid little double entendre.
/and I'll do it again when the mood strikes me.
/still luv ya shar. hope the feelin's still mutual.
/pours a BIG glass of RED
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:18:27pm |
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Idle Drifter Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:18:34pm |
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David Simon Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:18:50pm |
re: #186 Shr_Nfr
The last point is not as important as one might think, since the covenants on the preferred shares almost always bar the company from paying a dividend to the shareholders
Just how restrictive are the covenants? Say a company becomes cash flow positive; isn't there a percent that could be returned to the shareholders.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:18:52pm |
re: #220 MandyManners
My whacker might wear out.
I'll buy you a brand new one... your choice of color and options.
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gmsc Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:19:08pm |
The funniest anti-McCain ad (and the story behind it) you'll see all year:
Video: Precious moppet sells cookies to purchase vicious anti-McCain attack ad
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3 wood Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:19:36pm |
re: #211 Noam Sayin'
As well it should. I'd hate to make up my $17k 2008 loss in just one week.
/
Made back $3,700 yesterday, probably gave some back today.
Keep dollar cost averaging in. This is a buying opportunity that comes along once every 20 to 30 years.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:20:06pm |
re: #241 CIA Reject
Yes, the MUTE button on the remote here at Casa Reject gets quite a workout, especially during the news...
I try not to watch the news nowadays.
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Truck Monkey Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:20:24pm |
re: #211 Noam Sayin'
As well it should. I'd hate to make up my $17k 2008 loss in just one week.
/
Made back $3,700 yesterday, probably gave some back today.
I made back $18 large yesterday, but am still down $90 Grand since the first of the year. Let it ride.
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Archimedes Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:20:49pm |
When it comes to Obama
Hear No Evil. See No Evil. Speak No Evil.
Put your head in the sand.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:20:50pm |
re: #247 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
I'll buy you a brand new one... your choice of color and options.
With shiny brass tacks?!
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3 wood Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:21:20pm |
re: #228 jorline
Did you notice Iceland...index at 678 and there market was down 2326 point...77% down.
Yes, they were allowing leverage rates of 100 to 1 over there. We thought we were bad at 40 to 1.
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gmsc Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:21:43pm |
re: #242 3 wood
Hedge funds may become the new "investment bank".
Hedge funds target corporate lending as banks dry up
You are going to see a lot of changes to how lending is done in the future.
Interesting trivia: The mathematical principle behind hedge funds was developed by Edward O. Thorp, the same person who first popularized card counting for blackjack.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:22:00pm |
re: #240 JohnAdams
Yes. Make no mistake about it; Ted Nuggent is an idiot; his catch phrases are cliches and he says stuff just for shock value and press coverage. However, if you want a spokesman for the environment he's the man you want (and people like him). Even city dwelling concrete walking men like to fish and hunt. It's part of our genetic makeup and part of our national identity.
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:22:08pm |
re: #222 Sharmuta
Yeah- because sexism in this country isn't an issue this year. Puh-lease.
sexism IS an issue, but I think yer looking for boogeymen in every lame comment..sexism would have been a line like comparing a woman to a fish smell-wise..I respect you,shar and enjoy your passionate comments but this was looking for something wholly negative that just wasn't there..
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David Simon Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:22:32pm |
re: #193 arethusa
I'd have cut the blockquote off at the first sentence; the second at most. Subsidized housing and food stamps are definitely "government dole."
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FrogMarch Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:22:39pm |
re: #171 MandyManners
I was just a kid but, I remember the gas problems and hearing my dad bitch about inflation.
me too! I will never forget how my dad spiraled into a serious depression during the Carter years. It was real. My dad was an industrious guy who ran his own small business. During the Carter years he was totally screwed. It's as if the democrats said to my dad: "Hey - are you trying to provide a few jobs? are you trying to provide for your family? Well Fuck you".
I also vividly remember (right before the election) sitting on the school bus and watching as the neighborhood bully obnoxiously proclaimed his adoration for Carter. I knew then that anyone so foul (this kid beat up on girls) was the opposite of anything good. I didn't know it at the time, but it is in part why I am a conservative today. That early childhood moment started it all. Democrats acting like a-holes, democrats ruining my fathers life.
That is why I say to most democrats - "no - fuck you."
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:23:27pm |
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3 wood Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:23:33pm |
By the way, when Tim Wakefield threw his first few pitches tonight for the Red Sox, I wanted to go get a bat and hit.
Letter high rolling knuckleballs are fun to hit. They go a real long way, too.
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ArmyWife Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:23:37pm |
re: #217 David Simon
Oh its not - if there is anything when I retire, it will be a bonus. However, part of my "responsible" saving for the future a la my 401k has been a bit unsettling as of late! As such, I point you back to my paypal account. HoosierHoops has kindly offered up his Amex. How much shall I expect from you this evening and in what form? Cash and any credit card will be accepted for you convenience.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:24:28pm |
re: #242 3 wood
Hedge funds may become the new "investment bank".
Hedge funds target corporate lending as banks dry up
You are going to see a lot of changes to how lending is done in the future.
Capitalism will always find a way. Unless the government f**ks with it too much.
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arethusa Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:24:33pm |
re: #258 David Simon
I'd have cut the blockquote off at the first sentence; the second at most. Subsidized housing and food stamps are definitely "government dole."
Oh, yeah, but I wanted people to know that some of the claims were legitimate. (I'm not sure about the last sentence, though.)
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Sol Roth Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:24:35pm |
re: #227 JeremyR
People don't need that long a memory. Clinton made hay with Bush and "Read my lips..." then promptly renigged and raised them.
Raythisthssst! Hate Sptheeech! Rethuglican!
/
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:24:40pm |
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Throbert McGee Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:24:55pm |
re: #220 MandyManners
My whacker might wear out.
That's what V!agra is for, baby!
(Oh, wait... never mind.)
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:25:10pm |
re: #259 FrogMarch
Did your dad get better during Reagan's administrations?
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Genosaurer Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:26:05pm |
I wish I could ding this article up more than once. This type of ad is exactly the message the RNC should be pushing.
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ArmyWife Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:26:06pm |
re: #256 Killgore Trout
At his last concert here in Bal'more, he had this chick up there signing his craziness. When he got to the thousands of f-yous, she is signing it like a mad woman, getting her hands REALLY in it, then her hands and hips. I was hysterical with laughter, tears rolling down my face. I was worse than a 12 year old boy laughing at a dirty joke. I still get the giggles when I think about it!
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Palandine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:26:32pm |
I would never invade the United States, there would be a gun behind every blade of grass. --Yamamoto
The greatest gun pr0n thread EVAH!
The Zombie Squad folks are very cool. All different political views (and politics aren't allowed on their forums). Many of them are HUGE 2nd Amendment enthusiasts, and this thread (28 pages of pictures!) shows some of them have better arsenals than some 3rd-world countries. All of them perfectly legal, and all lovely in their own way.
/Makes me feel sort of...inferior...about my arsenal of democracy, but Rome wasn't built in a day.
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Throbert McGee Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:27:37pm |
re: #266 Sol Roth
then promptly renigged and raised themRaythisthssst! Hate Sptheeech! Rethuglican!
Google hits for "denigrate Obama": 3,730.
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David Simon Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:27:52pm |
re: #199 MandyManners
Even though it is their money that they paid in the first place?
Not in all cases. As I wrote previously, the first ones in got way more than they ever contributed. That's a classic Ponzi scheme.
I would also argue that our present social security system relies too much on government control. For better examples of how a social security system should be run, see Chile and Singapore. Libertarians might quibble with the annuity mandate; but they have to admit that both systems are a damn sight better than what we have now.
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sharp_discernment Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:27:57pm |
Feeling down? Leave it to the PUMAS to give some "straight talk".
Letter to the Republican Party From a Concerned PUMA
[Link: www.puma08.com...]
They may be the ones to pull us across the finish line. I say we show them support! GO PUMAS! WE GOT YOUR BACK!
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cblesz Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:28:08pm |
I just want this election over. I am truly fed up.
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jorline Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:28:47pm |
re: #262 3 wood
By the way, when Tim Wakefield threw his first few pitches tonight for the Red Sox, I wanted to go get a bat and hit.
Letter high rolling knuckleballs are fun to hit. They go a real long way, too.
LOL...pitched like that all night...11 to 2 now in the bottom of the 7th.
I thought I saw him saying something about buttmonkeys after getting dinged for the second time in the first inning.
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gmsc Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:29:30pm |
re: #277 sharp_discernment
Feeling down? Leave it to the PUMAS to give some "straight talk".
Letter to the Republican Party From a Concerned PUMA
[Link: www.puma08.com...]They may be the ones to pull us across the finish line. I say we show them support! GO PUMAS! WE GOT YOUR BACK!
Don't forget hillbuzz, another good PUMA site!
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JeremyR Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:30:42pm |
re: #232 ArmyWife
yes - but if that list is 50 names and they all live at the corner of 5th and State, then what? Or if the State happens to get to the corner just at the right time and none of the prospects flees thinking its a bust, so they conduct a quick swab test, but low and behold, there isn't a match amongst them, then what? The possibilities are endless.
Lets say potential Daddy #49 is the one, but he decides stepping up to the plate is simply too much for him and won't pay, then what? In that case we have a person who I am supporting because the epitome of jerks is something unprintable here. My sympathy is a bit lower for the woman in that case rather than someone who fell in love, married, got pregnant only to discover husband is a weasel, and then Weasel won't pay child support.
I was dealing with a tenant today whose girlfriend recently leveled charges against him of mental abuse so she could get aid from Social and Rehabilatative Services.
The facts are she is physically abusive, has been charged with it, and convicted. But she is short on money, so went to the womens shelter and told them she needed help, and voila, she has it.
She has a four year old daughter, and they found out in July that she was being molested by her cousin. This weekend she allowed the perp to stay the night, and indications are he fondled one of the little girls who spent the night.
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FrogMarch Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:30:43pm |
re: #269 MandyManners
Did your dad get better during Reagan's administrations?
Absolutely. Even though it took a while, everything started to get better for a lot of people.
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jcm Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:30:48pm |
re: #273 Palandine
The greatest gun pr0n thread EVAH!
The Zombie Squad folks are very cool. All different political views (and politics aren't allowed on their forums). Many of them are HUGE 2nd Amendment enthusiasts, and this thread (28 pages of pictures!) shows some of them have better arsenals than some 3rd-world countries. All of them perfectly legal, and all lovely in their own way.
/Makes me feel sort of...inferior...about my arsenal of democracy, but Rome wasn't built in a day.
Stayin' away from jackass half way down...
No damn trigger discipline.
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3 wood Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:32:21pm |
The yield on treasuries jumped today, which means that some money was moving out of fixed income. That signifies a growing appetite for risk taking in the market.
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nightintheruts Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:32:36pm |
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:32:41pm |
re: #257 joecitizen
sexism IS an issue, but I think yer looking for boogeymen in every lame comment..sexism would have been a line like comparing a woman to a fish smell-wise..I respect you,shar and enjoy your passionate comments but this was looking for something wholly negative that just wasn't there..
So- sexism will go away if us uppity women just don't say shit when we think a sexist joke isn't funny?
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:32:42pm |
re: #250 MandyManners
I try not to watch the news nowadays.
I know what you mean. Recently Mrs. Reject and I discovered that our DirecTV package includes XM radio. We've been listening to '40s music more and more- somehow Tommy Dorsey and Bilie Holiday sound so much better than BO sound bites and MSM cheerleading.
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Sol Roth Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:33:19pm |
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Palandine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:33:20pm |
re: #284 jcm
Stayin' away from jackass half way down...
No damn trigger discipline.
Most folks on that thread do; the poster should have replaced that pic.
BTW, folks, the gun show loophole is going away regardless of who wins, so I'd get to one before the end of January 2009 if you intend to...
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:33:27pm |
re: #287 Sharmuta
So- sexism will go away if us uppity women just don't say shit when we think a sexist joke isn't funny?
And please don't bother answering me, joe. I've had enough for one night.
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ggt Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:34:09pm |
re: #209 Meremortal
THAT was fantastic! Thanks for linking. It's been forwarded to my email list.
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J.S. Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:34:19pm |
re: #216 Killgore Trout
Hey, Kilgore -- you know who I'm getting sick of? It's whiners whining about whiners.
About the MSM, as far as I'm concerned when frigging Obamobats campaign for Obama on CNN, yet at the same time state that their program is "No bull," and yet it's "ALL Bull, All the Time" -- then it is our RIGHT to stand up and critique that LIE. Got it? When LIES are told, the LIES need to be confronted and dealt with -- NOT swept under the carpet. So, that's what we and whole hell of a lot of other people here do -- we correct the lies.
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3 wood Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:35:15pm |
re: #280 jorline
LOL...pitched like that all night...11 to 2 now in the bottom of the 7th.
I thought I saw him saying something about buttmonkeys after getting dinged for the second time in the first inning.
I noticed that he was sweating bullets when they yanked him. How do you break a sweat throwing knuckle balls?
He must really have been out of shape.
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jcm Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:35:16pm |
re: #290 Palandine
Most folks on that thread do; the poster should have replaced that pic.
BTW, folks, the gun show loophole is going away regardless of who wins, so I'd get to one before the end of January 2009 if you intend to...
Already bought my "black rifle" just in case BHO wins, used the "rebate."
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flynmudd Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:35:18pm |
re: #273 Palandine
I am so jealous! I think that one picture of the arsenal was a little over the top don't ya think? I guess the person that has the most toys wins!
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:35:38pm |
re: #287 Sharmuta
So- sexism will go away if us uppity women just don't say shit when we think a sexist joke isn't funny?
now yer gettin' uppity..heh..besides, EVERYONE knows that women COOK fish better than men..
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cblesz Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:36:29pm |
re: #285 3 wood
The yield on treasuries jumped today, which means that some money was moving out of fixed income. That signifies a growing appetite for risk taking in the market.
No. That is not why. Who told you that?
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:36:49pm |
re: #291 Sharmuta
And please don't bother answering me, joe. I've had enough for one night.
it's no bother..really!
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ArmyWife Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:36:58pm |
re: #282 JeremyR
Disgusting. Where is said 4 year old's father? I just can't comprehend a mother doing this, it defies logic. Mama bears would have NOTHING on me if some guy even thought about doing this to one of my baby girls, let alone put them in a situation like that deliberately.
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FrogMarch Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:37:00pm |
re: #216 Killgore Trout
Do conservatives want to win again someday? Embrace Twain, Thoreau, Franklin, Jefferson. These men were individuals who prized self reliance. Wanna save the environment? Embrace Roosevelt, Nuggent and countless other booger-eating-pickup-driving rednecks who hunt and fish. These people love the environment and use it every day. Far more than the Volvo driving progressive douche bags who drive out to look at wilderness once or twice per year. Focus on small government. lower taxes and individualism. Forget about abortions and gay rights. Those are lost causes for the "right". The American spirit is not dead but it's in retirement waiting for somebody to take up the fight.
and how are you a "liberal"?.. (You mean classical liberal, right?)
just out of curiosity - is there any candidate in the political arena right now, or even on the horizon, who comes close to this vision of rugged individualism?
btw - I like what you are saying.
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nightintheruts Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:37:03pm |
re: #296 flynmudd
I am so jealous! I think that one picture of the arsenal was a little over the top don't ya think? I guess the person that has the most toys wins!
The people with those toys win for sure.
They are on our side right?
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:37:12pm |
A lot of people seem to be replying to themselves tonight. Why is that?
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rawmuse Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:37:42pm |
re: #273 Palandine
Nice! My collection is not as big as some, bigger than others.
If ever my house gets raided and they put all the weapons out on a table like they do after a bust, I would not be embarrassed.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:38:07pm |
re: #293 J.S.
you know who I'm getting sick of? It's whiners whining about whiners.
Then quit yer bitchin'
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Palandine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:38:32pm |
re: #296 flynmudd
I am so jealous! I think that one picture of the arsenal was a little over the top don't ya think? I guess the person that has the most toys wins!
Only over the top because who could afford it. :)
I keep promising myself I'll only buy one more, and then another, and another.
/oh well, I don't golf, so it's my only expensive vice.
//if I'd known they were that much fun, I would have started shooting earlier.
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nightintheruts Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:38:35pm |
re: #303 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
A lot of people seem to be replying to themselves tonight. Why is that?
Insanity is the logic of an intelligent mind overtaxed.
-Oliver Wendell Holmes
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gmsc Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:38:41pm |
Unlike many other Republicans, I don't need a pep talk.
What I need is for Nov. 4th to get here quicker!
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J.S. Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:38:56pm |
re: #306 Killgore Trout
But when will you quit your bitching, eh?
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sharp_discernment Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:39:00pm |
re: #281 gmsc
Don't forget hillbuzz, another good PUMA site!
Yeah, I'm all over it. WE'RE pissed, but can you imagine how slighted THEY feel? And they have every right to feel that way, their candidate was basically SHUNNED by their own party for the "Great One". Not to mention Obama since then has never even TRIED to heal the wounds to reach out to them in a sincere way. They are DEADLY serious about their anger. That's DEFINITELY one thing we share. Hell, I would take Hillary over Obama ANY damn day of the week. At least now, I would be getting some sleep at night instead of the nightmares about Obama the Anti-Christ. (I hope that's not too "racist" to say out loud). It's just how I feel. It's like a sharp discernment about him (hence my screen name). Deep in my gut there is something TERRIBLY wrong about this guy that goes beyond the scope of politics. He's downright dangerous to everything we love and cherish......like a thief. *shivers*
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jorline Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:39:31pm |
Time to call it a night lizards...see y'all in the morning.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:39:42pm |
re: #301 FrogMarch
You mean classical liberal, right?
Yes, the "progressives' have misappropriated the term but I still cling to it like others cling to bibles and guns. It's my thing.
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Cartman Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:39:43pm |
I haven't been on all day, and forgive me if this has been discussed, but weren't intergalactic visitor overlords in hundreds of flying saucers supposed to visit us today, to save us from ourselves?
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:39:53pm |
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wright1 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:40:06pm |
re: #287 Sharmuta
So- sexism will go away if us uppity women just don't say shit when we think a sexist joke isn't funny?
I am jumping in here because the conversation, to the degree it denies what is occurring in this Presidential race, is simply absurd. If HRC was ever called the C-word, there would be a stop the presses moment. This woman who is such a wonderful role model and should be the person women aspire to rather than someone as Machiavellian as HRC who has not accomplished 1/4 of what Sarah Palin has, is being tarred and feathered to such a despicable level I find myself gasping. Sexism and for that matter racism, ageism, special needs ism, and any other protected class are only fair game if you are a conservative or republican. The double standard is sickening. I know I am not breaking new ground here. And frankly my ire is aimed at the MSM and the punditry, but for those here who do not get how sensitive women might be who are protective of SP are, well not getting it.
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3 wood Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:40:07pm |
re: #298 cblesz
No. That is not why. Who told you that?
Oh, 30 years of professionally managing a portfolio, buying and selling these instruments, reading the market and making a whole lot of money doing it.
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rawmuse Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:40:16pm |
re: #311 sharp_discernment
I agree with a lot of your remarks. Except about Hil as president. I would not like that very much either.
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fishbob Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:40:18pm |
I resemble that question.
I'd rather have a seine though.
#3 Cap'n DOC...... Does a fish caught on a pole taste differently than one taken in a seine?
Only if you don't get caught
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:40:19pm |
re: #310 J.S.
Are you bitching about my complaining?
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Occasional Reader Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:40:26pm |
re: #284 jcm
Stayin' away from jackass half way down...
No damn trigger discipline.
Yeah, whoever had his little girl wear face paint while displaying his gun... I'm steering clear there, too.
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Palandine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:40:49pm |
re: #297 joecitizen
now yer gettin' uppity..heh..besides, EVERYONE knows that women COOK fish better than men..
Joe, stop. We've had enough of the blind, naked hatred that libs have for Sarah Palin. We've seen an entire political party and the media try to destroy an uppity woman for months, and we're not in the mood for jokes. We NEED the PUMAs to win this. You're not helping. Let it go.
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rawmuse Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:41:44pm |
Hey, what was the outcome of that lawsuit filed by the Dem lawyer regarding the Obama birth certificate, or lack thereof? Wasn't that case to have been before a judge today?
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David Simon Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:41:53pm |
re: #263 ArmyWife
However, part of my "responsible" saving for the future a la my 401k has been a bit unsettling as of late!
As has mine. In the long run, we'll both be okay. We might not be able to retire as soon as we had hoped, but we're saving, and we're not afraid to work hard. In the long run, that will out.
As such, I point you back to my paypal account. HoosierHoops has kindly offered up his Amex. How much shall I expect from you this evening and in what form? Cash and any credit card will be accepted for you convenience.
I must be blind as a bat. I don't see it on your website. Seriously, where is it?
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Occasional Reader Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:41:53pm |
re: #305 rawmuse
If ever my house gets raided and they put all the weapons out on a table like they do after a bust, I would not be embarrassed.
The press will point out that you had "dozens" of rounds of ammunition...
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Archimedes Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:42:13pm |
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ggt Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:42:18pm |
re: #264 Occasional Reader
capitalism does find a way! I think it was thriving in the soviet block under dubious circumstances. Better to keep it legal and tax it. Perhaps regulate some of the dubious aspects. Outright make illegal some of them. Still, were there is a buyer, a seller will appear.
JMHO
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jorline Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:42:51pm |
One more link for you 3 wood.
Thanks CIA...glad you're back and get well soon.
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Archimedes Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:43:04pm |
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:43:08pm |
re: #316 wright1
I am jumping in here because the conversation, to the degree it denies what is occurring in this Presidential race, is simply absurd. If HRC was ever called the C-word, there would be a stop the presses moment. This woman who is such a wonderful role model and should be the person women aspire to rather than someone as Machiavellian as HRC who has not accomplished 1/4 of what Sarah Palin has, is being tarred and feathered to such a despicable level I find myself gasping. Sexism and for that matter racism, ageism, special needs ism, and any other protected class are only fair game if you are a conservative or republican. The double standard is sickening. I know I am not breaking new ground here. And frankly my ire is aimed at the MSM and the punditry, but for those here who do not get how sensitive women might be who are protective of SP are, well not getting it.
I agree..I'd do anything for Sarah..hell,I'd even hold the door for her!
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Meremortal Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:43:18pm |
re: #292 ggt
THAT was fantastic! Thanks for linking. It's been forwarded to my email list.
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it. What a beautiful and talented mare! And like the announcer said, she seems to enjoy every minute. I could tell that by watching her tail flicking...
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cblesz Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:43:29pm |
re: #317 3 wood
Oh, 30 years of professionally managing a portfolio, buying and selling these instruments, reading the market and making a whole lot of money doing it.
Um, OK. If you insist. No need to be a smartass, but you are wrong. Yields rose on Treasuries for the simple fact that somehow the Treasury is going to have to issue Treasuries to pay for it, which would increase supply. Simply because yields went up DOES not mean that people or the market have decided to become risk takers. There are also Agency securities and mortgages. Cas in point, Agencies tightened today, but you already knew that.
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J.S. Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:43:37pm |
re: #320 Killgore Trout
Look, you've written things which make it sound as if you're NOT a bitcher. Yet, if anyone reads what you write -- you're as much as a whiner and a complainer as anyone else here. You're no different. You're no better. Just admit it.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:44:05pm |
re: #301 FrogMarch
is there any candidate in the political arena right now, or even on the horizon, who comes close to this vision of rugged individualism?
No, not that I'm aware of. Conservatism has no champions at the moment. People who are looking to Bobby Jindal or an empty suit like Fred Thompson are barking up the wrong tree. Lower taxes, small government and individual freedom are easily marketable ideas if anyone wants to embrace them.
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:44:09pm |
re: #322 Palandine
Joe, stop. We've had enough of the blind, naked hatred that libs have for Sarah Palin. We've seen an entire political party and the media try to destroy an uppity woman for months, and we're not in the mood for jokes. We NEED the PUMAs to win this. You're not helping. Let it go.
bullshit..
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:44:18pm |
re: #314 Cartman
I haven't been on all day, and forgive me if this has been discussed, but weren't intergalactic visitor overlords in hundreds of flying saucers supposed to visit us today, to save us from ourselves?
I thought that was Obama
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:45:43pm |
re: #308 nightintheruts
Insanity is the logic of an intelligent mind overtaxed.
-Oliver Wendell Holmes
Not quite sure what OWH meant, but the overtaxed had to have meant Obama's future plans for those of us who work.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:45:57pm |
re: #17 MandyManners
I wonder if BHO's ever fished.
I think he would make JF'nKerry look like a good hunter in comparison.
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JeremyR Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:46:14pm |
re: #300 ArmyWife
Disgusting. Where is said 4 year old's father? I just can't comprehend a mother doing this, it defies logic. Mama bears would have NOTHING on me if some guy even thought about doing this to one of my baby girls, let alone put them in a situation like that deliberately.
Father is unknown. My friend has a 2YO with her. They got back together, (his mistake) about five months ago. He was recently diagnosed with Lupis, and several autoimmune problems.
Psudeostep dad is the only support those kids have. I was there two hours working on the furnace. He was cooking supper, she was on the couch, trying to sleep, and yelling at the girls to shaddup.
She has three kids, but her son is with his dad. He is a handfull, and she will not control him.
Step dad fell ill about two years ago while working for me. I've felt sorry for them, and am down over $15,000 helping them.
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sharp_discernment Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:47:28pm |
re: #318 rawmuse
I agree with a lot of your remarks. Except about Hil as president. I would not like that very much either.
No, what I meant is that I could sleep alot better if Hillary was the other CANDIDATE. And if the race was won LEGITIMATELY (sans voter fraud) by a democrat, I would MUCH rather have Clinton in the White House than Obama the Madman. At least she's strong on foreign policy/military and a known friend to Isreal. But let me be clear...I am supporting John McCain and would even if Hills was in the race.
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wright1 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:47:49pm |
re: #334 Killgore Trout
No, not that I'm aware of. Conservatism has no champions at the moment. People who are looking to Bobby Jindal or an empty suit like Fred Thompson are barking up the wrong tree. Lower taxes, small government and individual freedom are easily marketable ideas if anyone wants to embrace them.
I know he was not perfect but I really wish Romney was on the ticket.
That said, we have what we have. And even with McCain, this thing is winnable. I know some are doubting that but this is not over by a long shot. For me and many here no doubt, tomorrow is like a championship game that leads to the super bowl. He just needs to win. Not a blow out. Just a win is required.
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Palandine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:48:21pm |
re: #335 joecitizen
bullshit..
Whatever. Keep making sexist jokes if it works for you. Feel free to scroll by this uppity woman.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:48:50pm |
re: #333 J.S.
The difference is that I'm not blaming others for my failings. I will ppoint out press bias but I've never blamed the MSM for the failings of the Republican ticket. They deserve to be slammed. It's a pitiful ticket. However, they could easily overcome the obstacle on their own. They shouldn't require the MSM to deliver their message like the Dems do. They are capable of succeeding on their own just as they are capable of failing on their own. They are responsible for their own fate and they should take responsibility and encourage others to do the same. Why does this take a liberal to point out?
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rawmuse Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:49:29pm |
re: #341 sharp_discernment
I am someone who has met Bill Clinton and shook his hand. He is a charming person, and really talented at, er, multi-tasking.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:49:46pm |
re: #342 wright1
I wasn't a Romney fan but he was a worthy respectable candidate.
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Straitcircle Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:49:56pm |
please teach me to learn how to fish. I do not want someone forcing me to eat rotten fishes.
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:50:05pm |
re: #343 Palandine
Whatever. Keep making sexist jokes if it works for you. Feel free to scroll by this uppity woman.
if you had actually read the whole exchange between shar and I you would have gotten the point..but, as you say, whatever..
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cblesz Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:50:13pm |
Asked in another thread...anyone know what happened with Corsi? He was supposed to have some damning info on Obama?
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cblesz Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:51:00pm |
re: #345 rawmuse
I am someone who has met Bill Clinton and shook his hand. He is a charming person, and really talented at, er, multi-tasking.
Me too. I actually played gold right next to him. He is charming, but he is also a cheater....(on the golf course too)...
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jcm Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:51:02pm |
re: #344 Killgore Trout
The difference is that I'm not blaming others for my failings. I will ppoint out press bias but I've never blamed the MSM for the failings of the Republican ticket. They deserve to be slammed. It's a pitiful ticket. However, they could easily overcome the obstacle on their own. They shouldn't require the MSM to deliver their message like the Dems do. They are capable of succeeding on their own just as they are capable of failing on their own. They are responsible for their own fate and they should take responsibility and encourage others to do the same. Why does this take a liberal to point out?
RNC called for a donation, I read them the riot act for having such pathetic candidates across the board.
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Cartman Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:51:43pm |
re: #336 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
I thought that was Obama
This is not laughing matter! There was a guy on George Noury's Coast To Coast last week who said thousands of alien craft would populate the skies across the planet on October 14th, which was today. They were supposed to have a message for us. It didn't happen. This is serious stuff.
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rawmuse Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:51:49pm |
re: #344 Killgore Trout
I think your criticisms are somewhat valid, but remember that open primary states allowed clever Dems to select our ticket as well. I would abolish Open primaries immediately. There has been entirely too much mischief this particular election cycle.
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cblesz Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:52:31pm |
re: #352 joecitizen
so..how bout them redsox,eh?
yikes. I am a big Sox fan, but knew the Rays were gonna be tough.
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FrogMarch Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:52:43pm |
re: #334 Killgore Trout
No, not that I'm aware of. Conservatism has no champions at the moment. People who are looking to Bobby Jindal or an empty suit like Fred Thompson are barking up the wrong tree. Lower taxes, small government and individual freedom are easily marketable ideas if anyone wants to embrace them.
Thanks. I was just curious. I'll take Fred Thompson over any democrat candidate. I'd be open to a democrat - but as we all know the left has sold out to the far left and they are all pathetic. I'd really like to flush 80 - 90% of congress down the toilet and start fresh. It would be inspiring if some great people entered the field of politics. It seems losers who can't make it in the real world are the only ones to sign up.
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wright1 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:53:04pm |
re: #349 cblesz
Asked in another thread...anyone know what happened with Corsi? He was supposed to have some damning info on Obama?
I heard him on Steve Malzberg: some loose ties between Obama and Odinga. It does not appear that it will catch fire. You need a candidate and a campaiign manager who can articulate quickly and efficiently connecting the dots theories. McCain does not have these talents. Ironically, Bush could make this case more effectively.
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JeremyR Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:53:22pm |
re: #305 rawmuse
Nice! My collection is not as big as some, bigger than others.
If ever my house gets raided and they put all the weapons out on a table like they do after a bust, I would not be embarrassed.
Dial up sucks. All I get is red X's and captions. I just added a DPMS Panther in .223. It is a flat top without front sight, and I mounted an Aries 390 Palidine on it. The down side is, it has no forward assist. It is the sixth AR-15 in my humble collection.
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sharp_discernment Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:53:25pm |
re: #345 rawmuse
Have you ever noticed, he has some BIG hands! I don't know, for some reason that's something I always notice about him. I think it's a chick thing.
Have you notice how much he loathes Obama? He's a master of giving the obligatory and dazzling 30 minute speech while only mentioning the O once. I LOVE it!
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3 wood Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:53:28pm |
re: #332 cblesz
Um, OK. If you insist. No need to be a smartass, but you are wrong. Yields rose on Treasuries for the simple fact that somehow the Treasury is going to have to issue Treasuries to pay for it, which would increase supply. Simply because yields went up DOES not mean that people or the market have decided to become risk takers. There are also Agency securities and mortgages. Cas in point, Agencies tightened today, but you already knew that.
You are interpreting an insult where none was intended. I also did not swear at you, so I would appreciate your not doing so to me.
With the hundreds of billions of capital flowing into the US, for yields to go up 0.16, with gold also dropping $3 signifies a lot more, in my judgment.
FYI, I managed a fund of about 100 million quite successfully and a small but successful brokerage firm had me edit their quarterly newsletter to their customers.
How about we agree to disagree on this one?
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jtm371 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:53:54pm |
it is very sad to think that the USA will have the most liberal gov after nov 5th.i don't want the messiah to win but McCain might go down as one of the worst gop candidate ever.Harper is winning and gaining seats in canada.
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rawmuse Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:53:55pm |
Conservatives have a tough sell. "Elect me, I will take away your free stuff".
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:54:44pm |
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:54:47pm |
re: #358 JeremyR
Dial up sucks. All I get is red X's and captions. I just added a DPMS Panther in .223. It is a flat top without front sight, and I mounted an Aries 390 Palidine on it. The down side is, it has no forward assist. It is the sixth AR-15 in my humble collection.
mebbe sell 1 of those back and get yerself SOME REAL FRICKIN" INTERNET!?
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ggt Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:55:13pm |
re: #276 David Simon
all right, I'm reading this thread way to slow. When I refresh there will probably be another thread.
I get confused about SS about where you were explaining. It is basically an "individual" annuity administered by the US Government --right?
the money in an annunity get's split 3 ways --fees to the company; payouts to the "owner" and commission to the agent. I ran my SS payments thru the annuity calculator at my former employer's office one day and the payout wasn't any different that if the company was holding my annuity. So, the government get's the fees, I get the same payout --what is happening to the commission?
Has anyone else looked at it this way? I've tried doing research, but don't know the proper search terms.
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Palandine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:55:18pm |
re: #344 Killgore Trout
But how do you work around the media? I'll admit, ironically, that McCain is partly responsible for his own troubles because of McCain-Feingold's curbs on free speech. I listen to Palin's speeches on Fox News at work, and they're DYNAMITE. But the appearances always happen during the work day when most people can't see them. The 527s for some reason, aren't taking it to the Messiah the way they could. Yet, when you watch the news, story after biased story. Same thing if you open a newspaper. If you go to the magazine rack, you see a cover photo of Palin on Time or Newsweek designed to show every flaw. You need some humor, but the Daily Show, Colbert Report, and SNL are all dedicated to destroying Palin and McCain.
The media are putting up a terrible wall against getting the other side out. What else can we do?
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flynmudd Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:55:20pm |
re: #307 Palandine
They are addictive. Like crack cocaine. My son is going to buy me a new "toy" when he gets back from deployment. He already has it picked out. I can hardly wait for both to occur.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:55:44pm |
re: #348 joecitizen
If you had actually read the whole exchange between shar and
Ime
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rawmuse Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:56:19pm |
re: #359 sharp_discernment
The one thing I can thank Bill Clinton for is, he turned me in to a Republican.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:56:43pm |
re: #361 jtm371
it is very sad to think that the USA will have the most liberal gov after nov 5th.i don't want the messiah to win but McCain might go down as one of the worst gop candidate ever.Harper is winning and gaining seats in canada.
And Harper is? (Wish I was more knowledgeable about Canadian politics)
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:57:09pm |
re: #101 gmsc
For those who missed the good news from the previous thread:
BREAKING: 6th Circuit reverses on TRO (devastation, humiliation for Jennifer Brunner)
Independent verification of this:Temporary restraining order reimposed in Ohio voting scandal
Federal court: Ohio must check voter registrations (Warning: AP version)
Judge Rules Against Ohio Elections Official in Battle Over Voter ...
Half-hearted enforcement is no enforcement at all, especially when you are dealing with a powerful media-backed totalitarian and open outlaw like Brunner. She can find all kinds of ways to evade the order and do as little as possible to block the ACORN coup d'etat in Ohio.
The only solution is for the federal courts to take direct control, as they can do in extraordinary situations. Arrest Brunner and her chief lieutenants for conspiracy to commit election fraud and place the whole process under the direct control of federal marshals. The media will go berserk, of course, but they are likely to go berserk over any result that doesn't favor Obama anyway, so there is no point in trying to appease them.
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flynmudd Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:57:09pm |
re: #370 rawmuse
Yeah, but Clinton still has me confused with "is".
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J.S. Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:57:17pm |
re: #344 Killgore Trout
Oh please, dispense with that "I'm a liberal" crap. As if that should suddenly elevate you to some exalted status. It doesn't instantly give you credibility because you lay claim to being "a liberal." Yeah, big wow. I don't like labels, they're meaningless.
When you write: "The difference is that I'm not blaming others for my failings." Yeah, ok, so who does? Name someone. Who's "blaming others"? Then you follow with a non sequitur: "I will point out press bias but I've never blamed the MSM for the failings of the Republican ticket." Yeah, wonderful. So, who do you claim is blaming the MSM for the failings of the Republican ticket? How do you get to this? I don't see it. The MSM tells lies, smears a political candidate, yet claims "objectivity" and a host of other non-existent "standards" -- people point this discrepancy out -- now, explain how this is "blaming the media" for Republican failings. Explain it. I'm not following your "logic."
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alien_mind Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:57:31pm |
re: #356 FrogMarch
Thanks. I was just curious. I'll take Fred Thompson over any democrat candidate. I'd be open to a democrat - but as we all know the left has sold out to the far left and they are all pathetic. I'd really like to flush 80 - 90% of congress down the toilet and start fresh. It would be inspiring if some great people entered the field of politics. It seems losers who can't make it in the real world are the only ones to sign up.
if by some chance Obama gets elected, I think there will be an earthquake reaction during the midterm in 2010. I think you will see a bunch of them flushed, from both parties.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:57:50pm |
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nightintheruts Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:57:53pm |
re: #316 wright1
I agree with you and Palandine 100%.
I'm a guy right? so I can't begin to understand - but Sarah seems to me to be the perfect role model of feminism, in the true sense.
The way she's treated - I don't even have the words to convey the loathing I have for those people....
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Throbert McGee Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:58:11pm |
The "Fish or Pole?" threadline made me think of the obscene Russian proverb that plays on two similar-sounding verbs:
И рыбку съесть, и на хуй сесть.
(I ribku s'yest, i na huy sest.)
Literally "to eat one's fill of fish and sit down on a c*ck," but one could loosely translate it, for rhyme's sake:
"Here's some fish'n'chips to eat,
And a comfy penis -- have a seat!"
(Implying "to have one's cake and eat it too" or "to have the best of both worlds.")
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JeremyR Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:58:40pm |
re: #365 joecitizen
mebbe sell 1 of those back and get yerself SOME REAL FRICKIN" INTERNET!?
No chance. Dial up[ or sattelite is all I have for options, and the satsys stinks. Neighbor had it for a month, too windy for the dish.
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Cartman Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:58:52pm |
re: #362 rawmuse
Conservatives have a tough sell. "Elect me, I will take away your free stuff".
Hard to put the magic genie back in the bottle.
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jcm Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:58:57pm |
re: #362 rawmuse
Conservatives have a tough sell. "Elect me, I will take away your free stuff".
Give Me Liberty or Give Me Free Stuff!
//
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pat Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:59:16pm |
Why do I need to fish at all? Why do i have to eat fish? I will have your food.
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Palandine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 7:59:42pm |
re: #368 flynmudd
They are addictive. Like crack cocaine. My son is going to buy me a new "toy" when he gets back from deployment. He already has it picked out. I can hardly wait for both to occur.
All I have left on my wish list is a Ruger Mini 14, and then the rest of the excess spending money goes into the savings account.
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jcm Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:00:35pm |
re: #382 Cartman
Hard to put the magic genie back in the bottle.
This election.
The de Tocqueville tipping point, when more than half the voters are bribed from the public purse. Or as he put it, the beginning of the end.
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soccerdad Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:00:56pm |
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FrogMarch Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:01:03pm |
OT:
Harper heading for a win...?
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
I love this -
Liberal leader Stephane Dion, a bookish francophone who speaks hesitatingly in English, found it difficult at a time of relatively high energy prices to sell his plan for a new carbon tax to fight climate change, accompanied by income tax cuts and subsidies for the poor.
oh shut the hell up - bwaahaaaahaaaaaaa.
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sharp_discernment Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:01:17pm |
re: #372 Shiplord Kirel
Half-hearted enforcement is no enforcement at all, especially when you are dealing with a powerful media-backed totalitarian and open outlaw like Brunner. She can find all kinds of ways to evade the order and do as little as possible to block the ACORN coup d'etat in Ohio.
The only solution is for the federal courts to take direct control, as they can do in extraordinary situations. Arrest Brunner and her chief lieutenants for conspiracy to commit election fraud and place the whole process under the direct control of federal marshals. The media will go berserk, of course, but they are likely to go berserk over any result that doesn't favor Obama anyway, so there is no point in trying to appease them.
I'm wondering how far the feds are going to let this whole ACORN thing go on? I mean, HOW BIG DOES THE RED FLAG HAVE TO BE?
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jtm371 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:01:26pm |
re: #371 FurryOldGuyJeans
he is the conservative prime minister of canada.i meant to say the most liberal gov of the G-8.
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cblesz Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:01:32pm |
re: #360 3 wood
You are interpreting an insult where none was intended. I also did not swear at you, so I would appreciate your not doing so to me.
With the hundreds of billions of capital flowing into the US, for yields to go up 0.16, with gold also dropping $3 signifies a lot more, in my judgment.
FYI, I managed a fund of about 100 million quite successfully and a small but successful brokerage firm had me edit their quarterly newsletter to their customers.
How about we agree to disagree on this one?
Sure. No problem. Sorry if smartass offended you...did not mean it that way. You are entitled to your opinion as I am and I manage more than $4 billion in fixed income assets currently and manage rate strategy. Just telling you what is actually trading and why.
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wright1 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:02:07pm |
There will be time for carping and eating our own if things turn badly, some may disagree but the mood in the country for republicans in 2004 was identical to what it is now - very dour. Different players here yes. And different dynamics. But I still think that there is a very silent majority who will never ever vote for Obama. The love affiar we are watching is between the media and BHO - not the nation; rather a sliver of it who have become his disciples. Keep the faith.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:02:47pm |
re: #390 jtm371
he is the conservative prime minister of canada.i meant to say the most liberal gov of the G-8.
I understood what you meant about Lib government, but I needed a pointer to what side Harper was on. I thank you for your kind assistance. :)
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solomonpanting Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:03:27pm |
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alien_mind Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:03:31pm |
re: #379 nightintheruts
The way she's treated - I don't even have the words to convey the loathing I have for those people....
its a pretty crude world we live in when this type of behavior seems appropriate to so many.
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nightintheruts Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:04:37pm |
re: #392 wright1
I keep my fingers crossed that you are right.
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:04:42pm |
personally, I believe creationism and intelligent design are frauds..heh
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jtm371 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:04:44pm |
re: #392 wright1
all i can say i hope you are right.because the other option scares the hell out of me.i'm glad i'm 45 and not 25.
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Meremortal Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:05:50pm |
re: #391 cblesz
Hi. Do you have an opinion on Sallie Mae? I heard it is yielding 5.5%. I know what SLM does, but I'm not sure how to analyze it.
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Syrah Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:06:04pm |
re: #386 jcm
This election.
The de Tocqueville tipping point, when more than half the voters are bribed from the public purse. Or as he put it, the beginning of the end.
And then the "producers" will go on strike.
From each according to his ability, to each according to his need, makes for a beggared people.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:06:06pm |
re: #395 alien_mind
its a pretty crude world we live in when this type of behavior seems appropriate to so many.
Not only appropriate, but condoned and encouraged as well by so many that have so little tolerance for any opinion or viewpoint that differs from theirs.
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Mich-again Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:06:36pm |
Is your candidate just a breaded fish stick in the freezer. In a box labeled Gordon's.
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jcm Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:06:41pm |
re: #397 joecitizen
personally, I believe creationism and intelligent design are frauds..heh
Anything but turtles all the way down is heresy!
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:06:50pm |
re: #400 Syrah
And then the "producers" will go on strike.
From each according to his ability, to each according to his need, makes for a beggared people.
or a buggered people..
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David Simon Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:06:51pm |
re: #366 ggt
all right, I'm reading this thread way to slow. When I refresh there will probably be another thread.
I get confused about SS about where you were explaining. It is basically an "individual" annuity administered by the US Government --right?
the money in an annunity get's split 3 ways --fees to the company; payouts to the "owner" and commission to the agent. I ran my SS payments thru the annuity calculator at my former employer's office one day and the payout wasn't any different that if the company was holding my annuity. So, the government get's the fees, I get the same payout --what is happening to the commission?
Has anyone else looked at it this way? I've tried doing research, but don't know the proper search terms.
No, it's a defined benefit pension plan. You and your employer contribute, some actuarial assumptions are made and you're "guaranteed" a stream of income at retirement age. (I use scare quotes because the stream of income is predicated on there being enough money in the "pot" to pay the promised benefits.) Contrast that with, say, Chile (which is really a defined contribution plan combined with a compulsory annuity at retirement). If we had the same system, there would be no promised benefit. Your and your employer's contributions would go into a separate trust for your benefit, and you would be able to pick from a variety of investment options. When you retired, you would buy an annuity with your available funds which would provide you with an income stream for life.
As for it being the same as our current system, try this experiment: take the contributions you and your employer have made since you started working (information available from the statement the social security administration sends you annually). Run a future value calculation at a conservative return (8% isn't unreasonable considering what the stock market has averaged over extended periods of time). Unless you've been working for minimum wage your whole life, you should end up with seven figures.
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nightintheruts Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:06:52pm |
re: #395 alien_mind
its a pretty crude world we live in when this type of behavior seems appropriate to so many.
I know right?
And to see that video of how those republican marchers in Manhattan were treated. It was like watching when the bodies of our soldiers were dragged through the streets in Iraq.
I found it hard to believe those were Americans.
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jcm Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:07:22pm |
re: #400 Syrah
And then the "producers" will go on strike.
From each according to his ability, to each according to his need, makes for a beggared people.
Atlas Shrugged, writ real.
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formercorpsman Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:07:33pm |
re: #353 Cartman
Someone told me today, reading while doing number 2 on the toilet was a bad thing.
I got the message.
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wright1 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:07:39pm |
Just look at Zogby versus the CBS poll. How can they be that far apart? Answer: Polls that are unscientific and biased/rigged are designed to move the final poll numbers toward a particular direction. Zogby is generally reliable. And McCain is within striking distance. That does not mean tomorrow is not significant. It is crucial. But he will do fine.
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:08:08pm |
re: #400 Syrah
And then the "producers" will go on strike.
From each according to his ability, to each according to his need, makes for a beggared people.
Those with ability will hide it. Those with need will exaggerate it.
Not the kind of society I want to live in, or leave to my children.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:08:09pm |
re: #404 joecitizen
or a buggered people..
No, thank you very much. I get more than enough of that already relying on the Veteran's Administration for my medical care.
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Mich-again Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:08:57pm |
Is your candidate a Barracuda or a Clown Fish?
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wolfie Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:09:31pm |
After a reading a chunk of this thread, I went over and looked out the window.
And, yes! There IS a full moon !
Awhoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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jtm371 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:10:11pm |
re: #411 FurryOldGuyJeans
Thank You for your service.i spent many a day in VA hospitals in my youth my father was WW11 vet.
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Palandine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:10:36pm |
re: #409 wright1
Just look at Zogby versus the CBS poll. How can they be that far apart? Answer: Polls that are unscientific and biased/rigged are designed to move the final poll numbers toward a particular direction. Zogby is generally reliable. And McCain is within striking distance. That does not mean tomorrow is not significant. It is crucial. But he will do fine.
They're over-polling dems, and they're just plain wrong about other things. Rove, that magnificent bastard!, has Missouri up for grabs. It isn't--it will go McCain. If even smart people are getting things like that wrong, what else are they getting wrong?
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sharp_discernment Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:11:59pm |
re: #401 FurryOldGuyJeans
Not only appropriate, but condoned and encouraged as well by so many that have so little tolerance for any opinion or viewpoint that differs from theirs.
I think skanky reality shows and hollywood in general have desensitized this country to sexism. We (figuratively speaking) laugh at it and are entertained by it, and then when the issue becomes serious and some respect is called for, people are like "What's respect?"
Sarah is such a class act. I think she gets energized when people attack her. It's like rocket fuel.
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Syrah Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:12:27pm |
re: #404 joecitizen
Some may take more to your Aristophanic variation.
On a more direct line, the only winner in the game of From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs, is the person who's best ability is in persuading others of his superior needs. The best beggar wins.
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nightintheruts Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:13:32pm |
re: #411 FurryOldGuyJeans
No, thank you very much. I get more than enough of that already relying on the Veteran's Administration for my medical care.
Been there!
not too get too personal - my first prostate exam at the age of 32 by a woman with hands like Andre the friggin' giant.
I'm still in therapy. = )
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:13:47pm |
re: #418 Syrah
Some may take more to your Aristophanic variation.
On a more direct line, the only winner in the game of From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs, is the person who's best ability is in persuading others of his superior needs. The best beggar wins.
sorta like dating, as I recall...
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hermeneutics Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:14:11pm |
re: #418 Syrah
Some may take more to your Aristophanic variation.
On a more direct line, the only winner in the game of From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs, is the person who's best ability is in persuading others of his superior needs. The best beggar wins.
Sarah!
You are brilliant tonight. I'm stealing that line.
Hermy
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:14:14pm |
re: #409 wright1
Just look at Zogby versus the CBS poll. How can they be that far apart? Answer: Polls that are unscientific and biased/rigged are designed to move the final poll numbers toward a particular direction. Zogby is generally reliable. And McCain is within striking distance. That does not mean tomorrow is not significant. It is crucial. But he will do fine.
When I was in college I took a course in experiment design where this was one of the textbooks. Later I had a job where we actually did it, yeah you can prove almost anything.
Like the correlation between IQ and shoe size
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wright1 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:14:30pm |
re: #415 Palandine
Exactly. And as I have been saying, the MSM is underestimating the Hispanic vote which they are taking for granted to be in BHO's camp.
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realwest Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:15:31pm |
Well good evening all y'all! Late again, darnit, what have I missed so far?!
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Syrah Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:15:45pm |
re: #420 joecitizen
sorta like dating, as I recall...
You played that game wrong. The trick is to get the other party to beg.
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wright1 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:15:59pm |
re: #422 CIA Reject
Well this says it all doesn't it -Over the last fifty years, How to Lie with Statistics has sold more copies than any other statistical text
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hermeneutics Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:16:21pm |
re: #427 Syrah
You played that game wrong. The trick is to get the other party to beg.
Girl ... you're on a ROLL!
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sharp_discernment Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:16:30pm |
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J.S. Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:16:50pm |
re: #425 realwest
We're all whining about whiners who whine...Those dang whining whiners...
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:17:10pm |
re: #428 wright1
Well this says it all doesn't it -Over the last fifty years, How to Lie with Statistics has sold more copies than any other statistical text
It is actually quite amusing- for a math book...
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:17:15pm |
re: #367 Palandine
The media are putting up a terrible wall against getting the other side out. What else can we do?
Life isn't fair and the press isn't any better. A simple message (like the fish/pole theme on this thread) is all it would take. I'm not a McCain fan and I'm not a Palin fan and I don't expect the MSM to do their work for them. They are failing all on their own. A decent candidate would take up the pole/fish theme (or something similar) and run with it. Don't expect the MSM to deliver your message for you. Do it yourself. McCain and Palin have failed to do that. They have failed to deliver their own message and the fault belongs with them. Not the MSM or the stupid uniformed voters. They have failed and they have failed to take responsibility.
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Mich-again Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:17:28pm |
re: #425 realwest
Well good evening all y'all! Late again, darnit, what have I missed so far?!
Hello and not much far as I can figure.
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:17:31pm |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:17:48pm |
re: #419 nightintheruts
Been there!
not too get too personal - my first prostate exam at the age of 32 by a woman with hands like Andre the friggin' giant.
I'm still in therapy. = )
I myself prefer a woman doing "intimate" examinations rather than a man, especially a prostate check. Women know what it is like to be probed by a ham-fisted bozo during gynecological exams, and so in my experience a woman examiner is not as "rough".
TMI? ;)
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Meremortal Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:17:50pm |
re: #416 sharp_discernment
Sarah is such a class act. I think she gets energized when people attack her. It's like rocket fuel.
+
She's a female Davy Crockett (He served in politics too). She also knows that millions love her, no matter that some don't, heh.
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Palandine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:18:35pm |
I don't know if the media are doing it deliberately, or if they just can't help themslves, but I think they're making it look like the One's election is a foregone conclusion to hurt people's faith in the electoral process (as happened in 2000) and so they'll have a ready-made meme about how racist America let Obama down at the last minute.
Don't believe the hype. Get out and vote, and bring friends and family.
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realwest Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:18:47pm |
re: #431 J.S. Uh, any particular whiners who whine or is it just whinners in general?!
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wright1 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:18:51pm |
re: #425 realwest
Well good evening all y'all! Late again, darnit, what have I missed so far?!
Rallying the troops!
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laZardo Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:19:21pm |
re: #440 Palandine
Don't believe the hype. Get out and vote, and bring friends and family.
ACORN will do better. They'll bring in pop icons and dead family.
/
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:19:26pm |
re: #441 realwest
that was a reference to me.
/Guilty as charged
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Cartman Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:19:30pm |
re: #408 formercorpsman
Sorry, but your reference flew right over my head.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:19:34pm |
re: #439 Meremortal
Sarah is such a class act. I think she gets energized when people attack her. It's like rocket fuel.
+
She's a female Davy Crockett (He served in politics too). She also knows that millions love her, no matter that some don't, heh.
She knows that no matter what she does there will be people who totally hate the very fact of her existence with a passion that is all-consuming.
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realwest Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:19:47pm |
re: #432 laZardo
Things be ok, here my friend, even though it's late evening (Eastern Time!).
How are ya this morning?!
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wolfie Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:19:48pm |
re: #422 CIA Reject
I love that book. GREAT book to use to teach kids a thing or two about the "studies show" world we live in!
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J.S. Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:19:54pm |
re: #435 Killgore Trout
Another whine, is it? A perfect example yet again of a whiner's whine.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:20:21pm |
re: #431 J.S.
We're all whining about whiners who whine...Those dang whining whiners...
*Thump*
Quit yer whinin'!
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:20:23pm |
re: #409 wright1
Just look at Zogby versus the CBS poll. How can they be that far apart? Answer: Polls that are unscientific and biased/rigged are designed to move the final poll numbers toward a particular direction. Zogby is generally reliable. And McCain is within striking distance. That does not mean tomorrow is not significant. It is crucial. But he will do fine.
All the more reason to use the full force of the law against ACORN and free-lance Obamunist gangs like the one that recently stole McCain-Palin signs here in Lubbock and bragged about it on FaceBook. This country is full of people who are so brainwashed they really, literally, do not know the difference between right and wrong or understand the concept of equal rights for all.
This is why they can scream "racism" or "censorship" if someone disagrees with a lefty candidate or celebrity but have no problem instigating a riot outside the offices of a newspaper that had dared to endorse McCain.
The paranoid reaction of media cultists and conspiraloons to enforcement action does not matter, they are in the tank for Obama anyway.
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gmsc Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:20:48pm |
re: #439 Meremortal
Sarah is such a class act. I think she gets energized when people attack her. It's like rocket fuel.
+
She's a female Davy Crockett (He served in politics too). She also knows that millions love her, no matter that some don't, heh.
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realwest Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:20:58pm |
re: #436 Mich-again
Ah, but what about the whiners who whine?!
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:21:59pm |
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laZardo Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:22:00pm |
re: #447 realwest
Thinking about what I said about individualism earlier. It brought me to my quickly-passed-over thoughts of signing up for the Daily Kos if Obama won the election.
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realwest Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:22:10pm |
re: #444 Killgore Trout
You - a whiner? No way Killgore! Wrong, maybe, but a whiner, never! LOL!
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Throbert McGee Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:22:13pm |
re: #353 Cartman
There was a guy on George Noury's Coast To Coast last week who said thousands of alien craft would populate the skies across the planet on October 14th, which was today.
Calling occupants of interplanetary craft!
(The video is actually somewhat kick-ass... especially the opening conversation between the very, very '70s FM DJ and the extra-terrestrials on the request line! Hard to believe it's Karen Carpenter singing it, though.)
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ggt Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:22:16pm |
re: #440 Palandine
Reporting the returns during the last election, I thought Jim Leher was going to cry. I don't know why I was watching him, but it was classic. They tried to get their heads around the exit polls being so wrong.
Severe cognitive dissonence.
I wanted to tell Jim "No, Jim, your world hasn't just "gone" off kilter, it's been that way all along."
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rawmuse Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:23:27pm |
In American politics, no one voter gets every single thing that they want, which may, when you think about it, be a small comfort, because no one voter can be to blame for every single thing that results from their one vote.
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realwest Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:23:39pm |
re: #454 FurryOldGuyJeans
Hey old timer - be careful who you whack - some of us are carryin' and ain't afraid to use 'em neither!
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:23:59pm |
re: #448 wolfie
I love that book. GREAT book to use to teach kids a thing or two about the "studies show" world we live in!
I've often used the Francis Bacon quote about how "it has been conclusively proven in numerous tests that the beating of tom-toms during an eclipse will restore the sun to the sky."
/Correlation DOES NOT imply causality.
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hermeneutics Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:24:14pm |
re: #415 Palandine
They're over-polling dems, and they're just plain wrong about other things. Rove, that magnificent bastard!, has Missouri up for grabs. It isn't--it will go McCain. If even smart people are getting things like that wrong, what else are they getting wrong?
For example, the last PPP poll in North Carolina had a partisan breakdown of +13 Dems ... are you KIDDING?
CBS poll partisan weighing was 37.4 D and 29.2 R.
Obama is below 50% in many polls. In fact, I doubt he can reach plurality.
Zogby has Obama up by 4% but the internals of this poll are unknown. Supposedly Obama lost 10 percent in one day? No way.
It goes on and on, folks.
McCAIN IS CLOSE TO OBAMA AND MAY ACTUALLY BE WINNING!
I am not whistling in the dark. This is true. When the partisan IDs are corrected to +3 or +4, McCain does much, much better.
Keep the faith.
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nightintheruts Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:24:29pm |
re: #438 FurryOldGuyJeans
I myself prefer a woman doing "intimate" examinations rather than a man, especially a prostate check. Women know what it is like to be probed by a ham-fisted bozo during gynecological exams, and so in my experience a woman examiner is not as "rough".
TMI? ;)
good point. Once I had to "turn my head and cough" and the nurse stayed in the room and just...uhm...stared...downward. Finally I said, "well, I should at least know your name"....her face turned beet red and the doc had to look away to keep from laughing.
yeah, looking back, I've been much more comfortable with the female docs and nurses.
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Palandine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:25:05pm |
re: #423 wright1
Exactly. And as I have been saying, the MSM is underestimating the Hispanic vote which they are taking for granted to be in BHO's camp.
I also don't think turnout's going to be all that high, so who turns out the most will win (it's also why the dems are going to so much expense in their ACORN voter fraud efforts--if it wasn't going to even be close, they wouldn't have bothered cheating). Who does Obama turn out? African-Americans, who already vote overwhelmingly for Democrats, so no net loss for McCain. Young voters? Ditto. Women? Not as many as a Dem normally would, becuase of his ugly efforts against Hillary. Hispanics? Many will be turned off by his radical abortion views. Jews? Hopefully not as many as could previously be counted on. Blue-collar workers? Yes, but given his radical positions on life and the 2nd Amendment, not as many bitter clingers there for him. A lot of slackers will be lulled into thinking he's inevitable and won't bother voting. McCain will "reach across the aisle" and get some of these people.
Considering that he's the Messiah, he REALLY doesn't bring much to the tcket, and turns off many others. The dems have chosen poorly. He will lose.
Get out the vote!
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:25:17pm |
re: #460 realwest
Hey old timer - be careful who you whack - some of us are carryin' and ain't afraid to use 'em neither!
It stopped your whining, though, didn't it? If only for a few seconds.
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arethusa Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:25:53pm |
re: #303 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
A lot of people seem to be replying to themselves tonight. Why is that?
Please don't tempt me like that!
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flynmudd Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:25:55pm |
re: #385 Palandine
I haven't the heart to look at my IRA. I'm afraid of what I will see or not see. It doesn't matter at this point anyway. I still have to work until I either inherit or 20 years. Whichever comes first. Preferably the later. Until then, like you, I will save up for new toys.
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gman Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:26:01pm |
re: #435 Killgore Trout
Life isn't fair and the press isn't any better. A simple message (like the fish/pole theme on this thread) is all it would take. I'm not a McCain fan and I'm not a Palin fan and I don't expect the MSM to do their work for them. They are failing all on their own. A decent candidate would take up the pole/fish theme (or something similar) and run with it. Don't expect the MSM to deliver your message for you. Do it yourself. McCain and Palin have failed to do that. They have failed to deliver their own message and the fault belongs with them. Not the MSM or the stupid uniformed voters. They have failed and they have failed to take responsibility.
That's exactly the framework that the MSM has been so diligently crafting and hoping you would take on as your own.
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Mich-again Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:26:40pm |
re: #453 realwest
Ah, but what about the whiners who whine?!
No time for them. I'm busy counting blue cars.
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J.S. Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:26:44pm |
re: #456 realwest
Kilgore has been giving us his sob story of late -- in between the sobs and sniffles he cries: "McCain and Palin have failed... They have failed to deliver their own message and the fault belongs with them...[clutching a handkerchief, sobbing bitterly] They have failed and they have failed to take responsibility."
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ggt Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:26:45pm |
re: #464 Palandine
Many Hispanics are Evangelical or Catholic and very pro-life. Those that are legal, do vote. It would be stupid to discount them.
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David Simon Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:27:29pm |
re: #458 ggt
Reporting the returns during the last election, I thought Jim Leher was going to cry. I don't know why I was watching him, but it was classic. They tried to get their heads around the exit polls being so wrong.
Severe cognitive dissonence.
I wanted to tell Jim "No, Jim, your world hasn't just "gone" off kilter, it's been that way all along."
I can't wait until Lehrer retires, and he goes full-blown psycho like Moyer and Cronkite. I'm so tired of his feeble "objective" act; it's like Clay Aiken trying to deny that he isn't gay.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:27:49pm |
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Palandine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:28:13pm |
re: #458 ggt
Reporting the returns during the last election, I thought Jim Leher was going to cry. I don't know why I was watching him, but it was classic. They tried to get their heads around the exit polls being so wrong.
Severe cognitive dissonence.
I wanted to tell Jim "No, Jim, your world hasn't just "gone" off kilter, it's been that way all along."
On election night, I'm gonna drink a lot of Maker's Mark and pretend it's Keith Olbermann's tears.... ;)
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alien_mind Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:28:22pm |
re: #458 ggt
Reporting the returns during the last election, I thought Jim Leher was going to cry. I don't know why I was watching him, but it was classic. They tried to get their heads around the exit polls being so wrong.
Severe cognitive dissonence.
I wanted to tell Jim "No, Jim, your world hasn't just "gone" off kilter, it's been that way all along."
omg, can you imagine when Obama goes down this time?
oh the humanity! there will really be some tingling legs in the MSM, along with many many tears, and thats only on the MSNBC set. They'll have to put Olberman in a straight-jacket.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:28:38pm |
re: #473 David Simon
I can't wait until Lehrer retires, and he goes full-blown psycho like Moyer and Cronkite. I'm so tired of his feeble "objective" act; it's like Clay Aiken trying to deny that he isn't gay.
Ummm, you mean he is? Shucks.
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devil in baggy pants Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:28:40pm |
Could some traveling lizards help me out?
What is the best site to use to find a good price for a round-trip flight?
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ggt Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:29:08pm |
re: #473 David Simon
I used to like the news hour, but them Robin Whats-his-name retired and it just hasn't been the same since. But, that was also before I got cable.
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realwest Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:29:10pm |
re: #462 hermeneutics
Well I've been saying.................geez it seems like for a year now...............that you can only trust - a little bit - the polls starting around October 24th or so.
The reality is that everything depends on who(m?) the pollsters poll. Obviously those who poll cell phone #'s are gonna get a different demographic (mostly younger) than those who poll regular ole land line or land line and cell phone combo's. And those who do only text messages (like the damn FOX news only lets you vote after debates by text messinging) are only reaching a younger demographic.
And, historically at least, OLDER voters actuallyvote in much higher percentages than do younger voters.
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hermeneutics Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:29:50pm |
Any Arizona Lizards out tonight? If so, email me -- nic blue -- because I'm planning an election night party north of Phoenix in Carefree.
Just email soon so I can plan.
Thanks.
Hermy
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:30:10pm |
re: #462 hermeneutics
I agree with you, but it REALLY pisses me off when I just know that the MSM is touting these polls to discourage McCain supporters and make them think that the election is lost.
It will be even worse on election night when they start calling eastern states for BO with only 5% of the vote in to discourage McCain voters in western states from going out to vote.
The book about lying with statistics may be amusing, but the people who actually do it are despicable.
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stuiec Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:30:31pm |
re: #440 Palandine
I don't know if the media are doing it deliberately, or if they just can't help themslves, but I think they're making it look like the One's election is a foregone conclusion to hurt people's faith in the electoral process (as happened in 2000) and so they'll have a ready-made meme about how racist America let Obama down at the last minute.
Don't believe the hype. Get out and vote, and bring friends and family.
It isn't either/or. They are doing it deliberately, because they can't help themselves.
It USED to be that the media would at least try to put up a pretense of objectivity. Those days are dead and gone.
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jcm Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:30:47pm |
re: #478 devil in baggy pants
Could some traveling lizards help me out?
What is the best site to use to find a good price for a round-trip flight?
*okay I'm a wise ass an no help at all*
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gman Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:32:06pm |
re: #478 devil in baggy pants
Could some traveling lizards help me out?
What is the best site to use to find a good price for a round-trip flight?
I like priceline.com for air tickets
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Palandine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:32:17pm |
re: #471 ggt
Many Hispanics are Evangelical or Catholic and very pro-life. Those that are legal, do vote. It would be stupid to discount them.
I may not have been clear. you're exectly right--if this were just a regular pro-choice Dem, they'd suck it up and vote for him (shoot, I'm a pro-life Catholic and I loved Rudy, so it happens). Being on favor as voting in favor of literal infanticide is a whole 'nother story, and will turn off many Hispanics and blue-collar voters who might otherwise vote Democrat.
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cblesz Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:32:30pm |
re: #399 Meremortal
Hi. Do you have an opinion on Sallie Mae? I heard it is yielding 5.5%. I know what SLM does, but I'm not sure how to analyze it.
SLMA has had a ton of trouble in the recent past. It is also connected to the consumer (student loans)...delinquencies and defaults have increased at a much faster pace recently than they have been historically for student loans. An issuer like SLMA has FFELP loans (gov't guranteed), but again...I have been staying away from anything consumer related recently...FWIW
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Syrah Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:32:35pm |
re: #462 hermeneutics
For example, the last PPP poll in North Carolina had a partisan breakdown of +13 Dems ... are you KIDDING?
CBS poll partisan weighing was 37.4 D and 29.2 R.
Obama is below 50% in many polls. In fact, I doubt he can reach plurality.
Zogby has Obama up by 4% but the internals of this poll are unknown. Supposedly Obama lost 10 percent in one day? No way.
It goes on and on, folks.
McCAIN IS CLOSE TO OBAMA AND MAY ACTUALLY BE WINNING!
I am not whistling in the dark. This is true. When the partisan IDs are corrected to +3 or +4, McCain does much, much better.Keep the faith.
Winning this election will depend greatly on which side gets theirs to the polls.
It will be turnout that will be the deciding factor.
All of these lopsided polls will not suppress a Republican vote that would show up to the polls win or lose, but it may make many on the left so overconfident of a Dem victory that they will not make any extra effort to go to the polls.
They are playing with a double edge sword.
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stuiec Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:32:44pm |
re: #476 alien_mind
omg, can you imagine when Obama goes down this time?
oh the humanity! there will really be some tingling legs in the MSM, along with many many tears, and thats only on the MSNBC set. They'll have to put Olberman in a straight-jacket.
Straitjacket won't do it. Olbermann is going to Hulk out, full-on: swinging helicopters and the whole shebang. They'll need nets made of carbide steel cable.
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David Simon Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:33:01pm |
re: #477 FurryOldGuyJeans
Ummm, you mean he is? Shucks.
Er, yes, that should have read is, not isn't. Time for me to put down the bottle.
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nightintheruts Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:33:02pm |
re: #481 hermeneutics
Any Arizona Lizards out tonight? If so, email me -- nic blue -- because I'm planning an election night party north of Phoenix in Carefree.
Just email soon so I can plan.
Thanks.
Hermy
Hey, I was just in Tempe about 3 weeks ago for a week...business unfortunately. Went to an awesome steak house - Mario's?
Beautiful out there! too damn hot though! = )
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ggt Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:33:07pm |
I'M feeling old again.
Kid has the Sci-Fi channel on and they are reviewing some new hot video game. A whole show about it. I guess it's cool because it combines Sci-Fi and Horror. They have an animated feature-lengh film and comic book to promote it.
Who has time for this stuff?
/never lived in my Mom's basement.
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pat Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:33:15pm |
Watching the news. Charlie "ObamaHo" Gibson does not have any granny glasses on. Hope he doesn't have to think for himself.
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:33:54pm |
re: #482 CIA Reject
I agree with you, but it REALLY pisses me off when I just know that the MSM is touting these polls to discourage McCain supporters and make them think that the election is lost.
It will be even worse on election night when they start calling eastern states for BO with only 5% of the vote in to discourage McCain voters in western states from going out to vote.
The book about lying with statistics may be amusing, but the people who actually do it are despicable.
actually, this may backfire on them by convincing alot of folks (particularly young, 1st time voters) that the idiot has it wrapped up and in the bag and they can go back to the vidiotbox and cheetos and not have to make the effort..it's a helluva way to win an election, but I'll take it...
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cblesz Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:33:58pm |
re: #488 Syrah
Winning this election will depend greatly on which side gets theirs to the polls.
It will be turnout that will be the deciding factor.
All of these lopsided polls will not suppress a Republican vote that would show up to the polls win or lose, but it may make many on the left so overconfident of a Dem victory that they will not make any extra effort to go to the polls.
They are playing with a double edge sword.
True...and my wife an I already mailed our vote in...
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Mich-again Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:34:32pm |
re: #476 alien_mind
They'll have to put Olberman in a straight-jacket.
Worse yet, I say they'll have to put Olbamarant in a dinner jacket.
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laZardo Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:34:34pm |
re: #489 stuiec
"It wasn't the helicopters that killed him. It was Obama that killed the beast."
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:35:23pm |
re: #482 CIA Reject
I agree with you, but it REALLY pisses me off when I just know that the MSM is touting these polls to discourage McCain supporters and make them think that the election is lost.
It will be even worse on election night when they start calling eastern states for BO with only 5% of the vote in to discourage McCain voters in western states from going out to vote.
The book about lying with statistics may be amusing, but the people who actually do it are despicable.
The perverse that is that no matter what the polls say will in no uncertain terms discourage me from voting, period. My one Constitutional Right and Privilege I will never voluntarily give-up or allow to be abrogated. I lose the ability to choose who I believe should be in office, and the rest of my rights guaranteed by the Constitution are already lost in principle if not in fact.
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wright1 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:35:33pm |
re: #464 Palandine
As always, it will be the youth and a lot of white guilter(s) in their 30's and 40's. If the 20 something white crowd come out in large numbers, BHO will win. But that has never truly happened. I know he claims a great ground game but it might just be a house of cards when you are dealing with 20 somethings with mush between their ears.
It is ironic that those that vote more for BHO is mostly because of race. Those against generally because he is simply the wrong candidate. As Dennis Miller aptly states: I have no problem with the color of his skin - just the thinness of it.
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:35:46pm |
re: #473 David Simon
I can't wait until Lehrer retires, and he goes full-blown psycho like Moyer and Cronkite. I'm so tired of his feeble "objective" act; it's like Clay Aiken trying to deny that he isn't gay.
I'm really bummed out that Lehrer is a moonbat. After all, the guy wrote the story for "Viva Max"- one of the funniest movies ever made.
/Such a waste...
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Dasher Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:35:57pm |
re: #461 CIA Reject
I've often used the Francis Bacon quote about how "it has been conclusively proven in numerous tests that the beating of tom-toms during an eclipse will restore the sun to the sky."
/Correlation DOES NOT imply causality.
I have the matching book How to Lie with Charts
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realwest Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:36:23pm |
re: #470 J.S. Well to be honest with you, I don't think McCain and Palin (but more McCain) have been out fighting very much until this week. And yes of course they are bitchin and moaning BECAUSE the MSM is in Obama's hip pocket - fer crying out loud, he's bought two (2) thirty minute time slots on Primetime TV and McCain couldn't buy 10 minutes.
That's why I disagree with Killgore - had Obama NOT reneged on his promise to take Public Funding, then I'd be more inclined to agree with him, but geebus, Obama's spending money like crazy - course, getting donations from all those "Americans" who live in Iran, Syria, Gaza and Tunisia didn't hurt Obama either but still..................
I do think, however and have said out here, that McCain needs to ruffle Obama's feathers and not worry about being called a racist - seriously, iirc, the only ones who've mentioned "race" in this, er, race, are on Obama's side - McCain just needs to fight harder and LOUDER.
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wright1 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:36:38pm |
re: #476 alien_mind
omg, can you imagine when Obama goes down this time?
oh the humanity! there will really be some tingling legs in the MSM, along with many many tears, and thats only on the MSNBC set. They'll have to put Olberman in a straight-jacket.
I have had that thought - it is too delicious to torment myself with just yet but certainly possible...
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hermeneutics Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:37:26pm |
re: #480 realwest
Well I've been saying.................geez it seems like for a year now...............that you can only trust - a little bit - the polls starting around October 24th or so.
The reality is that everything depends on who(m?) the pollsters poll. Obviously those who poll cell phone #'s are gonna get a different demographic (mostly younger) than those who poll regular ole land line or land line and cell phone combo's. And those who do only text messages (like the damn FOX news only lets you vote after debates by text messinging) are only reaching a younger demographic.
And, historically at least, OLDER voters actuallyvote in much higher percentages than do younger voters.
Quite true. McCain's demographics -- grown-ups, not kids; middle class, not super-wealthy or stuck on welfare; some college to college educated, not Ivy; all races, not just one race; slightly more men than women; married and wannabe married, not confirmed single; midwest and south, not coastal; religious not secular -- are VOTERS. And McCain's voters will doggedly go to the polls. They understand duty and patriotism.
They'll vote.
I think, btw, that the cell phone thing is overplayed. Many of the sole-cell families are wealthy, not just kids. And many kids with cellphones have them to be safe (we have five cellphone numbers in my family so my kids will never be without one.)
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:37:31pm |
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Dasher Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:37:39pm |
re: #495 cblesz
True...and my wife an I already mailed our vote in...
It is a sad deal, but absentee ballots are often not counted at all. Too much trouble.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:37:40pm |
re: #449 J.S.
Are you looking for a free fish or do you want a pole? You have a pole already, why expect people to feed you fish. I'm not going to do it for you and don't expect the MSM to do it either. You already have the platform to deliver your own ideas, don't expect others to do it for you. Your failings and successes are your own. Take some personal responsibility.
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Smojet Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:37:55pm |
re: #74 JohnAdams
Hi all,
I am in fact the artist responsible for the fish ad, sitting here a bit delirious at being posted on the unrivaled Little Green Footballs homepage. I haven't seen all 300+ comments, but I thought I'd respond to #74 and confirm that I am in fact under 30. I'm 27, and I can vouch for the existence of an early-twenties Conservative graphic design classmate who is also interested in getting Conservatives back in the game of public persuasion. Thanks to all those offering complimentary reviews; they offer great encouragement as I launch my little Conservative Graphic Designer career. And a BIG thanks to LGF! Screen captures of the homepage this evening will be great for my resume!
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Oldasdirt Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:38:12pm |
Hi guys,just got back from our last mission tonight,all planes home and safe,I see the last thread some Tom Waits,Loved "In the neighborhood"'Trying to catch up.
Anyone got great news?Like Obama found dead in hotel room under Mistress?Or indictments have been handed out to whole democratic party?
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stuiec Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:38:48pm |
re: #499 laZardo
"It wasn't the helicopters that killed him. It was Obama that killed the beast."
My teenage daughter has discovered The Rocky Horror Picture Show. The scene at the end where Riff-Raff and Magenta kill Frankenfurter and Rocky goes all King Kong on the RKO Radio tower by the swimming pool? Picture McCain and Palin as Riff-Raff and Magenta, Obama as Frankenfurter and Olbermann as Rocky.
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arethusa Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:38:58pm |
re: #361 jtm371
it is very sad to think that the USA will have the most liberal gov after nov 5th.i don't want the messiah to win but McCain might go down as one of the worst gop candidate ever.Harper is winning and gaining seats in canada.
McCain is hardly one of the worst GOP candidates ever. Try Dole, try Bush 41, (*after* he had been President). We might have preferred someone else, but McCain hung with Obama a pretty long time in the polls, and may yet hang with him again. Even the Obama camp don't believe the polls, and think the race will be close. Inability to win, in an economic slump, after 8 years of an unpopular incumbent of his own party, both conditions that favor Obama, simply do not make McCain a bad candidate. If there is an Obama Presidency, I suspect McCain will be viewed as the best Presidential candidate who never was President in recent memory.
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realwest Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:39:07pm |
re: #482 CIA Reject
"It will be even worse on election night when they start calling eastern states for BO with only 5% of the vote in to discourage McCain voters in western states from going out to vote."
Ya know, I always thought it was literally ILLEGAL for the MSM to do that - thought somebody brought a lawsuit and won on that exact issue.
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cblesz Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:39:08pm |
re: #509 Dasher
It is a sad deal, but absentee ballots are often not counted at all. Too much trouble.
Really? Where did you hear that? I certainly hope not.
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Syrah Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:39:25pm |
re: #478 devil in baggy pants
Could some traveling lizards help me out?
What is the best site to use to find a good price for a round-trip flight?
priceline and expedia.
check both. Look at the number of connecting flights. Decide what your time is worth.
IMHO, 2 connections is almost to much. 3 are a nightmare. For every connection, the odds of your baggage arriving late on another flight will increase.
Good books in your carry on are a must. Not every Airport offers free wifi.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:39:27pm |
re: #511 Smojet
Hi all,
I am in fact the artist responsible for the fish ad, sitting here a bit delirious at being posted on the unrivaled Little Green Footballs homepage. I haven't seen all 300+ comments, but I thought I'd respond to #74 and confirm that I am in fact under 30. I'm 27, and I can vouch for the existence of an early-twenties Conservative graphic design classmate who is also interested in getting Conservatives back in the game of public persuasion. Thanks to all those offering complimentary reviews; they offer great encouragement as I launch my little Conservative Graphic Designer career. And a BIG thanks to LGF! Screen captures of the homepage this evening will be great for my resume!
EGADS! Someone young that is NOT a glassy-eyed Obamaton! :)
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hermeneutics Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:39:31pm |
re: #482 CIA Reject
I agree with you, but it REALLY pisses me off when I just know that the MSM is touting these polls to discourage McCain supporters and make them think that the election is lost.
It will be even worse on election night when they start calling eastern states for BO with only 5% of the vote in to discourage McCain voters in western states from going out to vote.
The book about lying with statistics may be amusing, but the people who actually do it are despicable.
Agreed, but the character of conservatives is skeptical by nature. We don't trust power. We don't trust the MSM. I really doubt that ordinary Republicans are discouraged to the point of not voting. In fact, this may play against the leftists in the MSM by ENCOURAGING Republicans to vote.
The Acorn thing may encourage Reps too. Who knows. Anger motivates.
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wright1 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:39:35pm |
re: #511 Smojet
Hi all,
I am in fact the artist responsible for the fish ad, sitting here a bit delirious at being posted on the unrivaled Little Green Footballs homepage. I haven't seen all 300+ comments, but I thought I'd respond to #74 and confirm that I am in fact under 30. I'm 27, and I can vouch for the existence of an early-twenties Conservative graphic design classmate who is also interested in getting Conservatives back in the game of public persuasion. Thanks to all those offering complimentary reviews; they offer great encouragement as I launch my little Conservative Graphic Designer career. And a BIG thanks to LGF! Screen captures of the homepage this evening will be great for my resume!
Congratulations on a fine piece of work. We are honored to have you and your work!
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:39:37pm |
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ggt Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:40:13pm |
re: #502 CIA Reject
I read one of his One-Eye'd whoever mysteries and enjoyed it. I read it in a day, not heavy stuff, but enjoyable.
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formercorpsman Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:40:23pm |
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stuiec Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:40:37pm |
re: #508 FurryOldGuyJeans
Obama Presidency...AH! The Horror! ;)
Especially the part where Chairman Mao pops out of Obama's chest.
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wolfie Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:41:22pm |
re: #503 Dasher
I have the matching book How to Lie with Charts
Hey. I haven't seen that one. Looks good!
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cblesz Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:41:27pm |
Sometimes I get so pissed and frustrated, I think...fine I hope he wins. Then, maybe we will only have to endure 4 years of pain never to have another whacky liberal again. But, then I come to and realize that this whack job may have the ability to appoint up to three more Ruth Bader Ginsburgs and have a majority in Congress.
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J.S. Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:41:35pm |
re: #504 realwest
Yep. The McCain campaign has its problems (but I think it should be dissected behind closed doors or perhaps after the election -- not in public and during the campaign...highlighting all of McCain's weak spots is counterproductive and just fuels the opposition.)
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stuiec Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:41:48pm |
re: #509 Dasher
It is a sad deal, but absentee ballots are often not counted at all. Too much trouble.
Absentee ballots generally get counted first. Provisional ballots don't get counted unless the election is so close that they could decide the outcome.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:42:03pm |
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jtm371 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:42:09pm |
re: #514 arethusa
i disagree what is McCain he's not a conservative ,not liberal the worst a moderate.won't go after rev wright and then tells his rally bho is really a good guy and don't worry about him.
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ggt Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:42:14pm |
re: #506 realwest
They suck! BUT, I hold out hope the weather will be chilly soon. It was much cooler today and BEAUTIFUL. All the foliage changed colors over the weekend and with the cooler temps, it really felt like Fall. Perfect Halloween weather!
Thanks for askin' --how you doin' tonite?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:42:33pm |
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:42:42pm |
re: #503 Dasher
I have the matching book How to Lie with Charts
Heh, I've done a bit of that kind of stuff myself but I didn't know there was a book about it. Thanks for the link!
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realwest Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:43:10pm |
re: #507 hermeneutics
I understand that about "cell phone families" but do you also have a landline? And do you all share the same number on your cellphone and if so, WHO answers the phone when it's some pollster calling?!
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alien_mind Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:43:27pm |
re: #511 Smojet
I like your work, especially the expression on the fishes face. that says it all.
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hermeneutics Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:43:43pm |
re: #527 J.S.
Yep. The McCain campaign has its problems (but I think it should be dissected behind closed doors or perhaps after the election -- not in public and during the campaign...highlighting all of McCain's weak spots is counterproductive and just fuels the opposition.)
Agreed. We have an election to win first ... then we can muse on what-should-have-been.
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stuiec Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:43:52pm |
re: #511 Smojet
Excellent work! The ideas behind Conservatism aren't complex, and you have a talent for making them clearly simple, understandable at a glance.
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:44:19pm |
re: #529 FurryOldGuyJeans
The difference between a reporter and a
journalistpropagandist.
Maybe a little more accurate.
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gmsc Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:44:34pm |
What would happen if we elect a Senator to the Presidency who is part of the cause of the biggest financial crisis in U.S. history?
Please, America, let's never find out.
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Cartman Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:44:54pm |
re: #526 cblesz
But, then I come to and realize that this whack job may have the ability to appoint up to three more Ruth Bader Ginsburgs and have a majority in Congress.
If given the chance, BHO's appointees will make Ginsburg seem like Barry Goldwater.
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realwest Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:44:55pm |
re: #510 Killgore Trout
Killgore, as I said above, I'd agree with you, EVEN WITH THE MSM in Obama's hip pocket, IF OBAMA HAD TAKEN PUBLIC FUNDING.
But it's kinda hard to fish with your pole, when the other fisherman has five in the water off the dock and one in his hands, ya know?
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Racer X Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:45:05pm |
Alaska glaciers grew this year, thanks to colder weatherTwo hundred years of glacial shrinkage in Alaska, and then came the winter and summer of 2007-2008.
Unusually large amounts of winter snow were followed by unusually chill temperatures in June, July and August.
"In mid-June, I was surprised to see snow still at sea level in Prince William Sound," said U.S. Geological Survey glaciologist Bruce Molnia. "On the Juneau Icefield, there was still 20 feet of new snow on the surface of the Taku Glacier in late July. At Bering Glacier, a landslide I am studying, located at about 1,500 feet elevation, did not become snow free until early August.
"In general, the weather this summer was the worst I have seen in at least 20 years."
Never before in the history of a research project dating back to 1946 had the Juneau Icefield witnessed the kind of snow buildup that came this year. It was similar on a lot of other glaciers too.
"It's been a long time on most glaciers where they've actually had positive mass balance," Molnia said.
Nooo Waaayyyy!
*he said sarcastically*
Damn, that Sarah Palin is good!
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:45:07pm |
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gmsc Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:45:25pm |
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wright1 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:45:43pm |
re: #511 Smojet
Maybe some folks missed your post - for those who did if you like the design on this post how about a hand for this very gifted artist!
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Karridine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:45:48pm |
re: #513 stuiec
My teenage daughter has discovered The Rocky Horror Picture Show. The scene at the end where Riff-Raff and Magenta kill Frankenfurter and Rocky goes all King Kong on the RKO Radio tower by the swimming pool? Picture McCain and Palin as Riff-Raff and Magenta, Obama as Frankenfurter and Olbermann as Rocky.
That's GREAT visualization, Stuie!
"McCain plays Riff-Raff! Palin NAILS Frankenbama and Olbermann ookles out of his mind!"
/want to option the screenplay, m'kay? LMAO!
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Dasher Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:45:49pm |
re: #533 CIA Reject
Heh, I've done a bit of that kind of stuff myself but I didn't know there was a book about it. Thanks for the link!
Charts can look alarming when the scales are changed, or when the x axis doesn't start at zero, or when a chart should use a log scale and it is using a linear scale.
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wolfie Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:46:06pm |
re: #511 Smojet
Keep up the good work! It is such an encouragement to know that not all young, talented people are moonbats ! :)
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neocon hippie Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:46:08pm |
My gut feeling is that McCain will win. It will be a similar situation as with Carter in 1980, although not as overwhelming. Moderate, working class, Catholic and/or women voters will cross over in sufficient numbers to overcome whatever extra black vote (not much that the Dems don't already have), youth/new vote, and ACORN fraud. And the latter is getting much more exposure than in previous elections, such that even the MSM can't ignore it.
The polls, the MSM bias, the vitriol, it's all one mass psy-op to discourage and depress us.
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realwest Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:46:25pm |
re: #511 Smojet
Hey Smojet! Great work there and thanks for trying to get younger folks to understand the fish deal!
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:46:36pm |
re: #540 CIA Reject
re: #529 FurryOldGuyJeansThe difference between a reporter and a journalist propagandist.
Maybe a little more accurate.
Maybe a little more accurate.
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stuiec Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:46:43pm |
re: #535 laZardo
...
Excuse me while I apply eye bleach.
Well, I understand that McCain wouldn't be able to pull off that vinyl spacesuit look -- but I think Sarah would be hawt in it! And Obama already is the ultimate political cross-dresser.
But we could do without Olbermann in gold lamé bikini briefs.
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hermeneutics Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:47:02pm |
re: #534 realwest
I understand that about "cell phone families" but do you also have a landline? And do you all share the same number on your cellphone and if so, WHO answers the phone when it's some pollster calling?!
No, we have five separate numbers for cell phones. We almost exclusively use cell phones. Also have a sat phone for when I travel to cell-less places, which is often.
We have a landline, but use it mostly for faxing. I did get a pollster call on the landline (and I lied to him saying I was an Obama supporter, Hispanic, etc.)
Most of my neighbors have a similar arrangement. We have landlines because it is bundled with Cox cable. Most use it for faxing.
Honestly, I think many people now use cells exclusively. I don't think it represents the youth vote but rather families and younger children.
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quickredfox Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:47:03pm |
re: #489 stuiec
Straitjacket won't do it. Olbermann is going to Hulk out, full-on: swinging helicopters and the whole shebang. They'll need nets made of carbide steel cable.
I'd even turn on the TV news again just to see that. I have been beyond disgusted by the MSM.
(Can't type more as the World's Friendliest Cat is trying to climb all over me at the moment. He wants me to think I'm his Best Friend in the Whole Wide World, but he wants anyone he meets to think that.)
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ggt Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:48:24pm |
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Meremortal Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:49:15pm |
re: #487 cblesz
Thank you, very kind of you. The student loan situation had me concerned also.
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realwest Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:49:53pm |
re: #527 J.S.
Well if I was on the McCain campaign team I'd defintely agree with you, but I'm not so I keep exercising my freedom of speech and HOPE AND PRAY that SOMEONE in the McCain campaign reads LGF everyday!
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ggt Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:50:08pm |
re: #503 Dasher
Please remember to put that in the Books category of the Spin-off links. It's handy for future reference and any purchases made from Amazon thru the LGF link counts toward the tip-jar.
BOOK CATEGORY PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT OFF
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gman Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:50:12pm |
re: #511 Smojet
Hi all,
I am in fact the artist responsible for the fish ad, sitting here a bit delirious at being posted on the unrivaled Little Green Footballs homepage. I haven't seen all 300+ comments, but I thought I'd respond to #74 and confirm that I am in fact under 30. I'm 27, and I can vouch for the existence of an early-twenties Conservative graphic design classmate who is also interested in getting Conservatives back in the game of public persuasion. Thanks to all those offering complimentary reviews; they offer great encouragement as I launch my little Conservative Graphic Designer career. And a BIG thanks to LGF! Screen captures of the homepage this evening will be great for my resume!
Young, artistic, and not an Obamabot.
You are a breath of fresh air.
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Syrah Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:50:12pm |
re: #545 Racer X
Nooo Waaayyyy!
*he said sarcastically*Damn, that Sarah Palin is good!
Can we hope for a crash in the carbon credits market? Would that be bad?
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formercorpsman Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:50:13pm |
re: #552 neocon hippie
You think the electoral college has not been polled?
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Palandine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:50:19pm |
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stuiec Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:50:22pm |
re: #553 realwest
Hey Smojet! Great work there and thanks for trying to get younger folks to understand the fish deal!
http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/10/02/funny-pic tures-he-eatz-for-a-dai/
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:50:23pm |
Breaking: Harper wins in Canada
Harper Tories win federal election
OTTAWA — Stephen Harper's Conservatives were returned to power Tuesday night as Canadian voters entrusted the prime minister with the levers of government in tough economic times.
Ontario, which has so beguiled and befuddled Harper as a national leader, proved to be fertile turf this time around while his hopes of a majority appeared endangered by Quebec.
The Liberal vote sagged badly in Central Canada, once the Grit bread basket that provided repeated majorities.
While the Bloc Quebecois romped to a landslide in Quebec, the Liberals also seemed ready to add to their small Quebec caucus.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:50:40pm |
re: #362 rawmuse
Conservatives have a tough sell. "Elect me, I will take away your free stuff".
rawmuse- I'm not sure who said it, but he said once people in a democracy realize they can vote themselves free stuff, it's doomed.
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gmsc Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:50:56pm |
re: #559 ggt
Ah, Rocky Horror! Susan Sarandon in her youth. Rolls of toilet paper all over the place, the time warp . . .
I remember that movie. Did it have a plot? Did you know they guy on the motorcycle was Meatloaf?
Did it have a plot? Not really. It was just a jump to the left.
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ggt Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:51:30pm |
AHAHAHAHAHAH--just finished listening to my Meatloaf link.
hahahahahahahahahahLOLHAHAHA ROTFLAMO!
sometimes, I'm so good and I know it.
hahahahaa
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AussieMarcus Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:51:53pm |
I keep reading that McCain and Palin are spending a lot of time in blue states like Iowa and Minnesota. Is this really true? It does seem odd that if McCain really was looking at a 200 vote defeat he wouldn't be desperately shoring up 'pink states' like Montana.
Where has obama been campaigning lately?
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hermeneutics Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:52:45pm |
re: #559 ggt
GGT, In the low desert, leaves don't change color, but when driving through the White Mountains last weekend, I saw YELLOW aspen leaves. I pulled off and picked some, putting them between pages of my book. Brought tears to my eyes.
I wish I could hold a red leaf.
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neocon hippie Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:53:14pm |
re: #565 formercorpsman
Do you mean, have the state polls been assembled into an electoral college prediction. Sure, and I don't believe those either.
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stuiec Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:53:17pm |
re: #559 ggt
Ah, Rocky Horror! Susan Sarandon in her youth. Rolls of toilet paper all over the place, the time warp . . .
I remember that movie. Did it have a plot? Did you know they guy on the motorcycle was Meatloaf?
My Mom and I went to see it when it first came out in theaters, when I was 14. In San Francisco. (I think my Mom secretly always wanted a gay son, but it didn't rub off on me.)
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:53:32pm |
re: #572 AussieMarcus
I keep reading that McCain and Palin are spending a lot of time in blue states like Iowa and Minnesota. Is this really true? It does seem odd that if McCain really was looking at a 200 vote defeat he wouldn't be desperately shoring up 'pink states' like Montana.
Where has obama been campaigning lately?
Germany, but that was a few months ago....
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:53:32pm |
re: #572 AussieMarcus
I keep reading that McCain and Palin are spending a lot of time in blue states like Iowa and Minnesota. Is this really true? It does seem odd that if McCain really was looking at a 200 vote defeat he wouldn't be desperately shoring up 'pink states' like Montana.
Where has obama been campaigning lately?
Yes- McCain has indeed been in blue states campaigning.
0bama on the other hand has been going door to door in Ohio.
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:53:44pm |
re: #550 Dasher
Charts can look alarming when the scales are changed, or when the x axis doesn't start at zero, or when a chart should use a log scale and it is using a linear scale.
Long ago when I was a young engineer had some system performance data that was supposed to be random, but when we plotted a histogram we discovered a bias that put a funny "tail" about 3 sigmas to the right of the mean. We were scared stiff because we were supposed to present the data to the customer the next day and we couldn't explain the bias.
A grizzled old PhD mathematician looked at the data, changed the size of the "buckets" on the plot, and voila! - perfect bell curve.
We found and fixed the problem later and the customer never knew.
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Racer X Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:54:33pm |
re: #558 alien_mind
"AlGore call your office"
Er, did I say global WARMING? I meant to say Climate Change™ !
Yeah, thats the ticket.
- alGore
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:54:44pm |
re: #569 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
rawmuse- I'm not sure who said it, but he said once people in a democracy realize they can vote themselves free stuff, it's doomed.
Alexis De Toqueville (sp?)
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Cartman Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:54:53pm |
re: #572 AussieMarcus
Where has obama been campaigning lately?
Ohio and Florida. He's been busy instructing the fraud brigades.
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stuiec Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:55:18pm |
re: #574 Karridine
Did YOU know they had Meatloaf for dinner?
All together now:
"Oh, no! Meatloaf AGAIN?!?!?"
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formercorpsman Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:55:32pm |
re: #570 gmsc
Alright, I am going to make some folks ill right now.
I have to say, I find Susan incredibly sexy in that film (the bra part, damn!), sexy in Bull Durham, and nice to look at now as she has matured.
If she was just not so crazy.
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realwest Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:55:46pm |
re: #528 stuiec
Ah, what the difference between Absentee and Provisional? And at least in 2000 you were incorrect: the Gore Campaign tried to get ALL military absentee votes discounted during the counting of the infamous hanging chads (cause the military ballots didn't have postmarks showing they were mailed before whatever date Absentee ballots had to be mailed by.
Thus totally disregarding the fact that, at least back then, military postmasters routinely didn't put dates on letter. Hell in Vietnam all I did was write the word "FREE" where the stamp should go and off the letter went.
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Scion9 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:56:22pm |
re: #518 FurryOldGuyJeans
EGADS! Someone young that is NOT a glassy-eyed Obamaton! :)
Another under 30 conservative here. We exist. Also take into account that most of our people in the military are both young, and not voting Obama.
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realwest Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:56:40pm |
re: #531 ggt Sorry to hear about your allergies! I'm doing ok, just getting really tired here!
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formercorpsman Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:56:50pm |
re: #575 neocon hippie
Some sarc, and some seriousness.
I hope you are right.
I would say you don't know how much I hope you are right, but I suspect you do.
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Palandine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:57:03pm |
re: #585 formercorpsman
Alright, I am going to make some folks ill right now.
I have to say, I find Susan incredibly sexy in that film (the bra part, damn!), sexy in Bull Durham, and nice to look at now as she has matured.
If she was just not so crazy.
It's all right. I find George Clooney smoking hot, I just don't watch his "serious" films. ;)
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Meremortal Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:57:23pm |
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opnion Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:57:40pm |
re: #583 Cartman
Ohio and Florida. He's been busy instructing the fraud brigades.
Obama is just the tool of the revolution. We are in serious shit!
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sadhu Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:57:44pm |
I received my OFFICIAL VOTE BY MAIL BALLOT today. I'm totally excited to vote. No way am I sitting this one out.
McCain/Palin!
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Karridine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:57:50pm |
re: #579 CIA Reject
A grizzled old PhD mathematician looked at the data, changed the size of the "buckets" on the plot, and voila! - perfect bell curve.We found and fixed the problem later and the customer never knew.
Real-world honesty, make-do, trustworthiness... I'm compelled (internally) to applaud... Its the real-world way that honest, technically-competent and principled people WORK, in the real world... :D
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Pawn of the Oppressor Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:57:50pm |
re: #511 Smojet
Hi all,
I am in fact the artist responsible for the fish ad, sitting here a bit delirious at being posted on the unrivaled Little Green Footballs homepage. I haven't seen all 300+ comments, but I thought I'd respond to #74 and confirm that I am in fact under 30. I'm 27, and I can vouch for the existence of an early-twenties Conservative graphic design classmate who is also interested in getting Conservatives back in the game of public persuasion. Thanks to all those offering complimentary reviews; they offer great encouragement as I launch my little Conservative Graphic Designer career. And a BIG thanks to LGF! Screen captures of the homepage this evening will be great for my resume!
Another artist under 30 (barely) here, we do exist... I'm not into graphic design, but rather "fine art" - and not the lameass post-modern unskilled crap, either. I like to stay Old School.
I'm not much of a debater and I like to keep my work and my politics separate. I'd love to post a link to my stuff here (big audience, more buyers!), but I don't want anybody knowing who I am... This is the one place I can go and type whatever is on my mind without starting a fight.
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hermeneutics Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:57:59pm |
re: #586 realwest
Do you think the Dems will try to discount/ignore the military vote, again? I sorta doubt it. My hunch is that they're too worried about appearing anti-military.
But then again, maybe they don't care.
Interesting about not needing postage. Good. Military men and women should not pay for mail.
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Racer X Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:58:05pm |
re: #585 formercorpsman
Alright, I am going to make some folks ill right now.
I have to say, I find Susan incredibly sexy in that film (the bra part, damn!), sexy in Bull Durham, and nice to look at now as she has matured.
If she was just not so crazy.
I hear ya. Is it wrong to want to whisper in her ear, at the exact right moment, "Ronald Reagan was a god", then hold on for a wild ride?
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cliffster Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:58:11pm |
re: #579 CIA Reject
Long ago when I was a young engineer had some system performance data that was supposed to be random, but when we plotted a histogram we discovered a bias that put a funny "tail" about 3 sigmas to the right of the mean. We were scared stiff because we were supposed to present the data to the customer the next day and we couldn't explain the bias.
A grizzled old PhD mathematician looked at the data, changed the size of the "buckets" on the plot, and voila! - perfect bell curve.
We found and fixed the problem later and the customer never knew.
Moral of the story: always listen to grizzled old guys. They may be right, they may be wrong, but they are always worth listening to.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:58:16pm |
re: #591 Meremortal
Thanks, Meremortal. That means a lot to me.
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ggt Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:58:28pm |
re: #573 hermeneutics
we got a few, my nic is blue, if you really want email me your address . .
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Intrepid Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:58:35pm |
re: #578 Sharmuta
Yes- McCain has indeed been in blue states campaigning.
0bama on the other hand has been going door to door in Ohio.
And meeting some plumbers who aren't so impressed with his wealth redistribution scheme.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:58:44pm |
re: #587 Scion9
Another under 30 conservative here. We exist. Also take into account that most of our people in the military are both young, and not voting Obama.
Nice to see there are people that are not followers of the Magic Obama Flute.
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docremulac Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:59:01pm |
I'd add a 3rd picture. A fish, a pole or a fish with a hook embedded and a line attached? (As in bait)
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formercorpsman Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:59:24pm |
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ggt Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:59:26pm |
re: #574 Karridine
DID you know I'm a vegetarian? I'd never eat Meatlof --blah.
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Dasher Tue, Oct 14, 2008 8:59:44pm |
re: #579 CIA Reject
Yep! The presentation of the data is as important as analyzing it.
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Racer X Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:00:21pm |
re: #603 docremulac
I'd add a 3rd picture. A fish, a pole or a fish with a hook embedded and a line attached? (As in bait)
How about a picture of a guy sitting on the ice - waiting for someone else to come along and cut a hole for him?
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formercorpsman Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:00:59pm |
re: #597 Racer X
Beat me up like a called your mother a bad name.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:01:04pm |
re: #606 Dasher
Yep! The presentation of the data is as important as analyzing it.
But if you gather it in a shoddy manner the outcome is frakked no matter what you do.
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:01:26pm |
re: #594 Karridine
Real-world honesty, make-do, trustworthiness... I'm compelled (internally) to applaud... Its the real-world way that honest, technically-competent and principled people WORK, in the real world... :D
Yep, but I'll never fess up to it in public :-). But that was in the old days when we actually BUILT stuff that HAD TO WORK and we made it work.
Hi Karridine! How are things in your neck of the woods?
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realwest Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:01:27pm |
re: #556 hermeneutics
"I think many people now use cells exclusively. I don't think it represents the youth vote but rather families and younger children."
Uh, oh. Neither Mom nor I have a cell phone!
I reckon that makes us old? Seriously I don't like cell phones going back to the days when I was working - there is such a thing as being "Too Available" and we don't have a cable phone cause when the cable (and my internet) goes out, we'd have no phone with which to call TIMEWARNER to tell 'em we don't have service!
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Pawn of the Oppressor Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:01:51pm |
re: #501 wright1
As always, it will be the youth and a lot of white guilter(s) in their 30's and 40's. If the 20 something white crowd come out in large numbers, BHO will win. But that has never truly happened. I know he claims a great ground game but it might just be a house of cards when you are dealing with 20 somethings with mush between their ears.
It is ironic that those that vote more for BHO is mostly because of race. Those against generally because he is simply the wrong candidate. As Dennis Miller aptly states: I have no problem with the color of his skin - just the thinness of it.
I'm not worried about BLACK. I'm worried about RED.
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ggt Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:02:04pm |
What, no one hit my Meatloaf link? Or is it old news?
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sngnsgt Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:02:17pm |
Obama tax cut 'refunds' those who don't pay
Critics call it 'welfare'
Barack Obama says he will give 95 percent of all American workers a tax cut but does not mention that his plan would send checks to tens of millions of tax filers who pay no personal income taxes - payments that critics say look "suspiciously like welfare."
Mr. Obama's campaign promise, which he has repeated in his speeches and in the presidential debates, stems from his "Making Work Pay" tax cut that will give a $500 refundable tax credit to every worker or $1,000 to each working couple. But because this provision in his economic-recovery plan is "refundable," a large number of middle- to lower-income workers who have no income-tax liability after taking tax credits and deductions the that Internal Revenue Service allows, will be given the equivalent of the tax cut in the form of direct payments from the U.S. Treasury - funded by higher-income taxpayers.
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:02:45pm |
re: #598 cliffster
Moral of the story: always listen to grizzled old guys. They may be right, they may be wrong, but they are always worth listening to.
Heh, now that I'm the grizzled old guy I wholeheartedly agree! :-).
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stuiec Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:02:59pm |
re: #586 realwest
Absentee is an ordinary vote cast by mail. It used to be a big deal -- you had to give a valid reason why you wouldn't be able to vote on Election Day at your regular polling place. Now anyone can vote by mail just for convenience.
Provisional ballots are the ones you cast when there's some issue about your registration. If you go to your polling place and you're not listed on the rolls, rather than not allowing you to vote, they give you a provisional ballot. Once you vote it, they seal it in an envelope and you sign it and give your name and address. After all other votes are counted, if the number of provisional ballots is large enough to affect the outcome, they go through the process of validating which ones belong to legitimate voters and then count those. If the provisional ballots won't make a difference, they aren't counted.
Here's a fascinating item from Mark Steyn on how the provisional ballot process was abused in Ohio in 2004: Overwhelming the System.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:03:04pm |
re: #614 sngnsgt
Obama tax cut 'refunds' those who don't pay
Critics call it 'welfare'
old Meatloaf....BLEH! ;)
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:03:08pm |
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formercorpsman Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:03:24pm |
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Karridine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:03:57pm |
re: #595 Pawn of the Oppressor
Same here! I have to market my skills as 'Karridine' lest people find me and my sons and wife... BAD NEWS!
And I do caricature and portraiture, skilled stuff, which a left-leaning liberal dismissed sniffingly as 'uhm! LINE-art!' (I always bet myself he was into collages and other unskilled, non-LINE-art stuff)
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docremulac Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:04:01pm |
re: #607 Racer X
Works for me.
By the way, Racer X was my hero growing up. Him and Johnny Quest's Dad. Dr Quest's friend Race Bannon was cool too but their relationship would be suspect in this day and age.
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realwest Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:04:14pm |
re: #572 AussieMarcus
Ah well this week McCain's been in North Carolina and Virginia and maybe South Carolina too.
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Syrah Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:04:18pm |
re: #570 gmsc
Did it have a plot? Not really. It was just a jump to the left.
Plot? Who needs a plot? Don't judge a book by its cover.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:05:03pm |
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Dasher Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:05:30pm |
re: #609 FurryOldGuyJeans
Very true. The $1,000,000 question; Why does the data look like this? What is causing this funny anomaly?
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:05:40pm |
re: #622 docremulac
Works for me.
By the way, Racer X was my hero growing up. Him and Johnny Quest's Dad. Dr Quest's friend Race Bannon was cool too but their relationship would be suspect in this day and age.
their relationship would be encouraged and celebrated in this day and age..
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quickredfox Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:05:53pm |
re: #584 stuiec
All together now:
"Oh, no! Meatloaf AGAIN?!?!?"
How to tell a cat from a meatloaf.
(World's Friendliest Cat went seeking other Best Friends Ever for a moment, so I can type again.)
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NY Nana Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:06:00pm |
Next one to mention this creep & his associates feels the wrath of NY Nana.
Can't even stand hearing it's name.
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hermeneutics Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:06:19pm |
re: #611 realwest
I have a phone that only rings when callers on my list are trying to get me. Other calls get junked. Thus, all calls are "screened." Sorta nice.
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ggt Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:06:37pm |
re: #625 FurryOldGuyJeans
did you click it and actually listen to the video?
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:06:46pm |
re: #626 Dasher
Very true. The $1,000,000 question; Why does the data look like this? What is causing this funny anomaly?
First answer is always: "Instrumentation Error"
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:07:24pm |
re: #626 Dasher
Very true. The $1,000,000 question; Why does the data look like this? What is causing this funny anomaly?
Sampling that is not a true demographic sampling would be my guess for starters. Then a heaping helping of wishful thinking to leaven the mess to make it more ideological palatable just for good measure.
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spirochete Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:08:30pm |
re: #570 gmsc
Did it have a plot? Not really. It was just a jump to the left.
And then a step to the right...
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Intrepid Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:08:54pm |
re: #620 formercorpsman
Yes, this is joe sixpack.
Literally.
Even more than all the professional voice overs and fancy graphics, a simple ad with this man saying "I asked Senator Obama why he'll raise my taxes, and he told me I have to support those who don't have the initiative and discipline I do in running my own business. That's socialism, and I want no part of it" would be fabulously effective.
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hermeneutics Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:08:55pm |
re: #621 Karridine
Same here! I have to market my skills as 'Karridine' lest people find me and my sons and wife... BAD NEWS!
And I do caricature and portraiture, skilled stuff, which a left-leaning liberal dismissed sniffingly as 'uhm! LINE-art!' (I always bet myself he was into collages and other unskilled, non-LINE-art stuff)
It is hard to imagine art without lines. Even blocks of color or shapes have defining lines or edges. I'm trying to think of art without lines.
Rothko? No. Even a rectangle is defined by lines.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:09:07pm |
re: #601 Intrepid
I guess we could call that campaign stunt an epic fail.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:09:17pm |
re: #631 ggt
did you click it and actually listen to the video?
Yes I did. I have never been a rock fan. I have always been one that listens to music that is not considered "it".
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JacksonTn Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:09:28pm |
How can Obama say he is not deeply connected with ACORN but brags about his work with Project Vote ..... if you go to Project Vote old website and click on contact ...... see what comes up in your email ...... geez ....
[Link: www.project-vote.org...]
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Karridine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:09:30pm |
re: #610 CIA Reject
Here? I'm trying to get outta the house to shoot pix of the long-entrenched Yellow-Shirt Mob of anti-gummint protesters, before and because of the arrival of 3,000-some Red-Shirted PRO-gummint supporters on the scene last night...
Thais are getting FED UP with 'Rule by Mob!' Thais elected, by the rules, the government THEY selected but The Mob keeps demanding the Prime Minister LEAVE OFFICE... hence rule by Mob... hence the arrival last night of Red-Shirts...
And you, CIA?
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gmsc Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:09:33pm |
re: #570 gmsc
Did it have a plot? Not really. It was just a jump to the left.
re: #626 Dasher
Very true. The $1,000,000 question; Why does the data look like this? What is causing this funny anomaly?
The Time Warp? Data, as in the android from Star Trek: TNG? Now that would be an interesting combination!
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joecitizen Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:09:35pm |
okeydokey..may all yer dreams be scaley..I'm off to watch a docu on Carthage,continue my re-reading of Theodore Rex and mebbe a bunch more sexist stuff...peace
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:09:44pm |
re: #635 Intrepid
We should have formed our own PAC. We could run our own ads.
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ggt Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:10:20pm |
re: #638 FurryOldGuyJeans
the whole thing? Did it show you the entire Meatloaf vid or did it cut to something else in the middle?
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realwest Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:10:31pm |
re: #593 sadhu
I got mine today too, but I ain't using it - I'd druther go to the polls, vote and then lecture all the folks standing within 50 feet of the polling place (and usually IN the polling place) about how they are violating Federal Law!
Not as much fun down here in N.C. as it was in NYC, though.
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JacksonTn Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:10:36pm |
Project Vote ......Jobs that make a difference ..... and could possibly get you to the White House ...
[Link: web.archive.org...]
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opnion Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:11:32pm |
On Hannity & Colmes , Colmes & some Dem Consultant are defending Obama as having nothing to do with Jessee Jackson who is now crowing about throwing Israel off of the sled. They are without shame.
I don't even like McCain, but vote for him.
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Racer X Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:12:17pm |
re: #622 docremulac
Works for me.
By the way, Racer X was my hero growing up. Him and Johnny Quest's Dad. Dr Quest's friend Race Bannon was cool too but their relationship would be suspect in this day and age.
You're ruining it! LOL!
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realwest Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:12:26pm |
re: #596 hermeneutics
Well we didn't need it in Vietnam ( a combat zone) don't know about now though or for those not in a combat zone!).
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formercorpsman Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:12:30pm |
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alien_mind Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:12:34pm |
re: #643 Sharmuta
We should have formed our own PAC. We could run our own ads.
"I'm the head of the lizard army, and I approved this message"
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:12:44pm |
re: #647 opnion
On Hannity & Colmes , Colmes & some Dem Consultant are defending Obama as having nothing to do with Jessee Jackson who is now crowing about throwing Israel off of the sled. They are without shame.
I don't even like McCain, but vote for him.
So the Messiah is anathemizing the Acolyte of Reverend King now, eh?
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Intrepid Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:13:15pm |
re: #643 Sharmuta
We should have formed our own PAC. We could run our own ads.
Yeah! What's a few million bucks, here and there?
I'll betcha the Plumber has already been contacted by McCain folks. I hope we do see it in an ad.
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realwest Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:13:23pm |
re: #599 Sharmuta
Hey Sharm! Good evening - where ya been today (if you don't mind me asking)?
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:13:32pm |
re: #622 docremulac
Works for me.
By the way, Racer X was my hero growing up. Him and Johnny Quest's Dad. Dr Quest's friend Race Bannon was cool too but their relationship would be suspect in this day and age.
That came up more than once on some of cartoon network's Adult Swim shows. Harvey Birdman played that up for laughs while The Venture Brothers had a thinly disguised Johnny Quest stand-in who's boy-adventurer lifestyle apparently left him traumatized and addicted to various drugs and pills (as well as alot of unresolved anger towards his father) as an adult.
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hermeneutics Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:13:36pm |
Government make-work positions are not jobs, they are pretend work ... all fantasy.
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Meremortal Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:13:56pm |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:14:22pm |
re: #622 docremulac
Works for me.
By the way, Racer X was my hero growing up. Him and Johnny Quest's Dad. Dr Quest's friend Race Bannon was cool too but their relationship would be suspect in this day and age.
I always thought there was something khinkey going on with Batman and Robin. ;)
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:14:53pm |
re: #640 Karridine
Here? I'm trying to get outta the house to shoot pix of the long-entrenched Yellow-Shirt Mob of anti-gummint protesters, before and because of the arrival of 3,000-some Red-Shirted PRO-gummint supporters on the scene last night...
Thais are getting FED UP with 'Rule by Mob!' Thais elected, by the rules, the government THEY selected but The Mob keeps demanding the Prime Minister LEAVE OFFICE... hence rule by Mob... hence the arrival last night of Red-Shirts...
And you, CIA?
WOW! Those should be some great pix, but please be careful not to get caught between the two mobs!
Things with me have been much tamer thanks- just got out of the hospital after fighting a bad soft-tissue infection in my foot, but I'm mending now and I have a few days medical leave to recuperate so no complaints.
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ggt Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:15:05pm |
When "they" talk about helping people who can't work, I wanna ask "Why can't they work" and keep probing for specific answers.
IIRC the number correctly, there are something like 3.75% of the work-aged that is considered "unemployable". Another X percentage are temporarily "unemployable". I understand the economic benefits of helping these people. But that still leaves a significant percentage that is employable. Why can't they work?
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hermeneutics Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:15:10pm |
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hermeneutics Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:16:02pm |
re: #660 ploome hineni
who makes the phone?
I don't know. It is in the car, somewhere, and I don't feel like going out to get it. Dark here.
Sorry.
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itellu3times Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:16:14pm |
re: #621 Karridine
And I do caricature and portraiture, skilled stuff, which a left-leaning liberal dismissed sniffingly as 'uhm! LINE-art!' (I always bet myself he was into collages and other unskilled, non-LINE-art stuff)
I salute you, sir! I love line art, Matisse, doncha know, and those "woodcut" portraits WSJ has used for 100 years, and Rodin sketches, and, and, um, like that. Tons of editorial cartoon types.
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Pawn of the Oppressor Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:16:15pm |
re: #651 alien_mind
"I'm the head of the lizard army, and I approved this message"
We Are Lizard. You Will Be Tolerated. Although we do find you annoying... Just... Get your hand out of our wallets, shut up, and get out of our way.
/Fascists!
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abolitionist Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:16:32pm |
OT: Hillary gives up on White House
From correspondents in Washington
October 15, 2008 03:40am
* Clinton says she won't run for president again
* She's happy being a senator for New York
* Obama can make needed changes, she saysHILLARY Clinton, who failed against Barack Obama in her bid for the Democratic presidential nomination, told US television today that this year's White House run likely will be her last.
Asked by Fox television about the chances that she will run for president again, Senator Clinton responded "probably close to zero.''
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Karridine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:16:41pm |
re: #636 hermeneutics
He was more motivated to SNEER at me... the rationale wasn't important, or even logically consistent, Hermy! He was into SNEERING... and I'd just drawn a 45-second 'line-art' caricature that captured him, to a T, so he was in no mood to cut me any slack! :D
/the Angel in my Avatar is a weak sample, Herm...
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Inquisitive Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:16:52pm |
re: #297 joecitizen
now yer gettin' uppity..heh..besides, EVERYONE knows that women COOK fish better than men..
Not my fight, but I have to add my 2 cents and I know it is late on thread......I fish.......hubby cooks. Yep, I love to fish and he hates it......I hate to cook and he loves to. Out camping...I'm off fishing and he hollers when cooking is done. I catch fish, I clean fish......he cooks them.
Of course after the meal....he sits back and drinks beer while I clean up all his cooking mess.....sigh. Life can't be all perfect.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:16:57pm |
re: #655 realwest
I've been here. We must have just been ships in the night, if you didn't see me.
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Dasher Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:17:03pm |
re: #660 ploome hineni
who makes the phone?
I'd like to know too. I am on Vonage, which has some nice features, but the caller ID is not always accurate.
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Intrepid Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:17:13pm |
re: #650 formercorpsman
30 seconds.
It would only take 30 seconds.
Get the Plumber from OH, a coal miner from WV or PA, a Detroit hockey fan (preferably a mom) who works and shares child care responsibilities with hubby, and anyone from Chicago.
Give them each 7 seconds and two sentences.
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realwest Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:18:36pm |
re: #618 Pvt Bin Jammin
Hey there PBJ - how are you doing tonight?
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Archimedes Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:18:48pm |
re: #403 jcm
Anything but turtles all the way down is heresy!
I'm thinking that's Hinduism. Is that right?
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formercorpsman Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:18:53pm |
re: #674 Intrepid
Actually they only need one.
"I don't believe in socialism"
Have them repeat it in succession.
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Pawn of the Oppressor Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:19:06pm |
re: #656 Fenway_Nation
That came up more than once on some of cartoon network's Adult Swim shows. Harvey Birdman played that up for laughs while The Venture Brothers had a thinly disguised Johnny Quest stand-in who's boy-adventurer lifestyle apparently left him traumatized and addicted to various drugs and pills (as well as alot of unresolved anger towards his father) as an adult.
I watched one episode of Venture Brothers. It was funny sometimes, but I couldn't stand the main character. He's such a... a... Boomer. A man-child. An adolescent in an adult body. I find that irritating in a main character.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:19:45pm |
re: #654 Intrepid
I'm going to be talking to some people....
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spirochete Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:19:46pm |
re: #669 abolitionist
Never believe a Clinton who tells you they are ruling out a run for office.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:20:05pm |
re: #675 realwest
I'm fine, thanks, just a little tired tonight. Hope you are doing okay.
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jcm Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:20:44pm |
re: #676 Archimedes
I'm thinking that's Hinduism. Is that right?
A well-known scientist (some say it was Bertrand Russell) once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the center of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy. At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: "What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise." The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, "What is the tortoise standing on?" "You're very clever, young man, very clever," said the old lady. "But it's turtles all the way down!"[1]
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hermeneutics Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:20:58pm |
re: #670 Karridine
This angers me, Karridine. Sneering elitists are omnipresent, but mostly on the left. I've been treated similarly in academe.
Keep your head high, okay?
I just love hearing from the artists and musicians here. It is good to know that realists succeed in the creative world.
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Karridine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:21:17pm |
re: #663 CIA Reject
Yr body's way of saying (in body symbol-speak) "I have some painful UNDERSTANDINGS that I need to heel, to get on a better footing with, so A REST is needed..."
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alien_mind Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:21:31pm |
re: #667 itellu3times
I salute you, sir! I love line art, Matisse, doncha know, and those "woodcut" portraits WSJ has used for 100 years,
i love those portraits in the journal.
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Smojet Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:21:52pm |
re: #636 hermeneutics
Unless I'm missing some extremely subtle sarcasm, Good News! Ryman Robert achieved the culmination of all the Minimalist Progress by creating... the Blank Canvass (titled Courier II). Artists were astonished and devastated, and were left with nothing but to pile candy in the corners of art museums as "installations," since painting was no longer relevant.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:21:59pm |
re: #669 abolitionist
Gee, the icing on the cake of bitter defeat McCain gets to serve Obama. Mwahahaha!
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JacksonTn Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:22:42pm |
Guess he can say his old law firm is lying about his working for Project Vote/Acorn ....... from Miner, Barnhill archived website.....
[Link: www.lawmbg.com...]
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ggt Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:22:49pm |
re: #677 formercorpsman
Unfortunately, many of the younger voters don't think/haven't been taught that socialism is a bad thing. IMHO, we need to use the word "Marxism". It sounds bad, is linked in the public conscious to Stalin and Lenin. I think it would hit more emotions than "socialism". Unfortunately, it's emotions that have to be addressed, not intellect.
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:22:53pm |
re: #684 Karridine
Yr body's way of saying (in body symbol-speak) "I have some painful UNDERSTANDINGS that I need to heel, to get on a better footing with, so A REST is needed..."
That sums it up perfectly Karridine!
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Intrepid Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:24:05pm |
North Carolina gets its slice of the ACORN investigation pie:
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hermeneutics Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:24:18pm |
re: #686 Smojet
Unless I'm missing some extremely subtle sarcasm, Good News! Ryman Robert achieved the culmination of all the Minimalist Progress by creating... the Blank Canvass (titled Courier II). Artists were astonished and devastated, and were left with nothing but to pile candy in the corners of art museums as "installations," since painting was no longer relevant.
Are you familiar with Arthur Danto's writings/reviews?
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Pvt Bin Jammin Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:24:24pm |
Refreshing to see the artwork by LGF's graphic artist, Smojet.
Here's a sample of artwork you can find here in my blue neighborhood"
[Link: www.lynnemcdaniel.com...]
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Karridine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:24:28pm |
re: #683 hermeneutics
Yes'm...
Thanks for the Attaboi! Its one of the peripheral reasons I come here...
You do any music, poetry or art?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:25:12pm |
re: #691 Intrepid
North Carolina gets its slice of the ACORN investigation pie:
This ain't a pie...it's a submerged iceberg.
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:25:22pm |
re: #689 ggt
Unfortunately, many of the younger voters don't think/haven't been taught that socialism is a bad thing. IMHO, we need to use the word "Marxism". It sounds bad, is linked in the public conscious to Stalin and Lenin. I think it would hit more emotions than "socialism". Unfortunately, it's emotions that have to be addressed, not intellect.
I explained Marxism to Little Reject by having her read Orwell's "Animal Farm".
It worked very well.
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hermeneutics Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:26:27pm |
re: #694 Karridine
Yes'm...
Thanks for the Attaboi! Its one of the peripheral reasons I come here...
You do any music, poetry or art?
Yes, but only the visual arts, not music or poetry. And it is an avocation, not a vocation.
I'm a professional nerd.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:26:57pm |
re: #689 ggt
Unfortunately, many of the younger voters don't think/haven't been taught that socialism is a bad thing. IMHO, we need to use the word "Marxism". It sounds bad, is linked in the public conscious to Stalin and Lenin. I think it would hit more emotions than "socialism". Unfortunately, it's emotions that have to be addressed, not intellect.
That's because they were taught marxism in school without it being labeled as such. Books like Howard Zinn's history, and the general PC-ishness and lack of critical thought are very dangerous, but that's what is taught in school.
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realwest Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:27:43pm |
re: #672 Sharmuta
Ah well then I reckon we were ships in the night - why do I suddenly have a Frank Sinatra tune running though my head?!?
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:28:38pm |
re: #691 Intrepid
North Carolina gets its slice of the ACORN investigation pie:
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hermeneutics Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:29:22pm |
re: #697 CIA Reject
I explained Marxism to Little Reject by having her read Orwell's "Animal Farm".
It worked very well.
Good idea. Will do this with the youngest.
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quickredfox Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:29:29pm |
"But it's turtles all the way down!"
Not turtles, plural, just one -- the Great A'Tuin
(I must be a heretic.)
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ggt Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:31:23pm |
re: #700 Kosh's Shadow
yep! But, not my kid!
/but you know "Socialism really has never been tried" --gah
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laZardo Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:31:26pm |
re: #697 CIA Reject
Amazing how all those who vote Obama because they fear 1984 may not have read Animal Farm...
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gman Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:31:35pm |
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hermeneutics Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:31:36pm |
re: #703 Sharmuta
Why would they concentrate on prosecuting INDIVIDUALS when the entire organization is corrupt? RICO anyone?
My foggy, sleeping-pill-saturated brain just remembered that someone filed a RICO suit. That's going for the entirety, not isolated individuals.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:32:15pm |
re: #701 realwest
Ah well then I reckon we were ships in the night - why do I suddenly have a Frank Sinatra tune running though my head?!?
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realwest Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:32:20pm |
re: #691 Intrepid
Yea North Carolina! From your link :
After McCoy and officials from ACORN's national office met with Mike Ashe, the Durham elections director, ACORN retrained staff and developed a system to trace problems and avoid being caught again. [emphasis added realwest]
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gman Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:34:10pm |
re: #707 laZardo
Amazing how all those who vote Obama because they fear 1984 may not have read Animal Farm...
didn't you know 1984 and Animal Farm are critiques on the mil-ind-complex.
/
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Karridine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:34:42pm |
re: #699 hermeneutics
'...professional nerd...' I like your style already, Kiddo!
Try 1-900-REALITY at the bottom of the post... Its more than an avocation, but less than full-time Voice Artist...
(script by IowaHawk)
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laZardo Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:35:26pm |
re: #712 gman
And how they aim to create militarized, mechanized windmills of society that will never really be created because they're too busy trying to get their agitprop machines to work.
/
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:35:26pm |
re: #706 ggt
yep! But, not my kid!
/but you know "Socialism really has never been tried" --gah
Good.
And the "socialism has never been tried" idea is sort of true; the implementations never matched the theory. But this shows to me that it cannot be implemented as it is theoretically described; the theory is so totally faulty as to make no sense; it cannot be implemented. Human nature just doesn't work that way.
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Syrah Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:35:31pm |
re: #711 realwest
ACORN retrained staff and developed a system to trace problems and avoid being caught again.
Intent?
Conspiracy?
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:35:55pm |
re: #707 laZardo
Amazing how all those who vote Obama because they fear 1984 may not have read Animal Farm...
Or 1984 for that matter....
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:35:59pm |
re: #707 laZardo
Amazing how all those who vote Obama because they fear 1984 may not have read Animal Farm...
And so will fulfill their worst fears.
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newsjunkie_ky Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:36:17pm |
I sure hope McCain is fired up at tonight's debate. The speech he gave today was really good.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:36:22pm |
re: #708 gman
looks like something squirrely is going on with them thar ACORN's
Some people vote like a nut, some people don't.
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realwest Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:36:52pm |
re: #709 hermeneutics
Yes some Woman's organization brought a RICO suit in Ohio (Clevland county - Cayahoga or whatever) against ACORN TODAY.
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wolfie Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:37:16pm |
If McCain wins, I would like to see him make a clean-up of voter fraud a high priority. I want voter IDs ! I want inked fingers! No absent ballots without a damned good excuse! And I want Congress to pass legislation enforcing election day. No voting in advance.
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Archimedes Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:37:22pm |
re: #682 jcm
Interesting.
From that same Wiki link you give it also says:
This version may be a reference to references in various Indian classical texts, including the myth that Vishnu's second avatar was Kurma, a tortoise on whose back the Mandara mountain rested, or that the tortoise Chukwa supports the elephant Maha-pudma who upholds the world. (Whether this is a Hindu belief or not is subject to debate.) A whimsical allusion to this myth appears in Wilfrid Sellars' 1956 Empiricism and the Philosophy of Mind:
authoritative nonverbal episodes... would constitute the tortoise on which stands the elephant on which rests the edifice of empirical knowledge.
I think John Locke addressed this Indian explanation in one of his works.
LOL ... He truly is a zombie. Maybe he's a really clever kid. Who knows.
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hermeneutics Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:37:31pm |
re: #713 Karridine
You're great! I'm listening to it now.
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ggt Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:38:02pm |
re: #716 Kosh's Shadow
yep! Another reason to use "Marxism" when talking about Obama, not "socialism"
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Desert Dog Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:38:10pm |
re: #717 Syrah
Intent?
Conspiracy?
No apologies neither......just "don't get caught again".....sounds more like the Sopranos than an Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:38:21pm |
re: #707 laZardo
One of my friends email signature says "1984 was an admonition, not a how-to manual." If he only understood.
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laZardo Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:38:53pm |
re: #716 Kosh's Shadow
I actually read The Manifesto as part of an assignment in Political Science stage. It was apparently originally written for industrialized, capitalist Germany (the feudal agrarian society as found in Russia was the stage before capitalism.)
What struck me though was that Marx didn't exactly describe the precise means to that end, and this is what's caused so many people to come up with their own ways to do so...
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Pawn of the Oppressor Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:39:19pm |
re: #683 hermeneutics
I just love hearing from the artists and musicians here. It is good to know that realists succeed in the creative world.
Well, I wouldn't say I'm succeeding in the classical sense... But I'm not going to blame that on anybody else but me!
/Obama better give me free stuff
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quickredfox Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:39:32pm |
Looking at the links up top --
"On Why 2 moderate/Libertarian pundits are voting for Obama"
What is *with* these people?
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wolfie Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:40:18pm |
Giving someone a pack of cigarettes to vote could (in some states) be a violation of minimum wage laws. Hah!
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realwest Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:40:22pm |
re: #717 Syrah Well probably, but I screwed it up! The " and avoid being caught again." is something I added - mostly for the "humor" of it, but also because it's probably true!
Sorry!
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Archimedes Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:40:37pm |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:40:40pm |
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FamHistoryGuy Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:40:42pm |
re: #586 realwest
If an APO/FPO letter did get a post mark, it was usually where it hit the stateside postal system.
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laZardo Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:40:44pm |
re: #719 FurryOldGuyJeans
Maybe they will, but I won't.
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hermeneutics Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:40:53pm |
re: #723 wolfie
If McCain wins, I would like to see him make a clean-up of voter fraud a high priority. I want voter IDs ! I want inked fingers! No absent ballots without a damned good excuse! And I want Congress to pass legislation enforcing election day. No voting in advance.
Retinal scans?
Here in AZ, we passed a proposition that forces employers to make sure their employees are legal, American citizens. (The left is trying to have it recalled with another proposition, now.) Anyway, employers call a hotline and verify SS numbers, etc. It must work.
Why can't they do that with voters? Call a hotline and verify EVERY NEW registration?
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laZardo Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:41:20pm |
re: #718 CIA Reject
Uh...it's impossible to literally have a society just like 1984! It's just a metaphor for the times!
/
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:41:27pm |
re: #712 gman
didn't you know 1984 and Animal Farm are critiques on the mil-ind-complex.
/
Yeah, and "Brave New World" is about Haliburton. Geez, no wonder satirists are out of work this stuff practically writes itself...
Seriously though, IMHO NOBODY should be allowed to graduate from High School in the U.S. without having to read, and understand "Animal Farm", "1984", and "Brave New World". If they did BO would still be stuffing ballot boxes in Chicago....
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jcm Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:41:52pm |
re: #724 Archimedes
I throw out turtles in a hot and heavy ID thread, trying to get folks to lighten up a bit.
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realwest Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:41:58pm |
re: #720 newsjunkie_ky
Hi there {newsjunkie_ky} um, the debate is tomorrow night!
How are you doing this night?
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:42:33pm |
re: #735 wolfie
Giving someone a pack of cigarettes to vote could (in some states) be a violation of minimum wage laws. Hah!
LOL!
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:42:42pm |
re: #741 hermeneutics
Retinal scans?
Here in AZ, we passed a proposition that forces employers to make sure their employees are legal, American citizens. (The left is trying to have it recalled with another proposition, now.) Anyway, employers call a hotline and verify SS numbers, etc. It must work.
Why can't they do that with voters? Call a hotline and verify EVERY NEW registration?
Too much work, discriminates...blah, blah, blah...
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JacksonTn Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:43:03pm |
You know what really pisses me off ....... there is so much information out there about ACORN/Project Vote and Obama and their attempt to really create a huge problem with registration and voting fraud ...... but it didn't start yesterday..... its been going on for decades ...... why has there never been anything done before .......geez ...... just from what I have been checking out on internet archives is enough to scare the crap of anybody ..... where have the FEDS been all this time ...... I WANT PEOPLE IN JAIL ......
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twincitiesgirl Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:43:03pm |
OT- This looks like good news....
Conservatives re-elected to power in Canada
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Steffan Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:43:11pm |
re: #707 laZardo
Amazing how all those who vote Obama because they fear 1984 may not have read Animal Farm...
Orwell intended both works to be a warning.
The Dems are using them for a blueprint.
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laZardo Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:43:13pm |
re: #743 CIA Reject
I prefer Fahrenheit 451, actually. There's a monologue where one character explains how their TV-dependent society came about because nobody wanted to be offended, and anything offensive had to be destroyed...
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Ojoe Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:43:13pm |
re: #723 wolfie
Vote by mail is open to the abuse of not being secret when several ballots are mailed to the same household. A dominate personalty in the house could determine the votes of others against their wishes.
Bogus.
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Syrah Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:43:43pm |
re: #736 realwest
Well probably, but I screwed it up! The " and avoid being caught again." is something I added - mostly for the "humor" of it, but also because it's probably true!
Sorry!
Dang.
Had my hopes up.
Thought we might have had them dead to rights.
But I think you are right. It's probably what they think and whisper amongst themselves.
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hermeneutics Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:43:44pm |
re: #747 FurryOldGuyJeans
Too much work, discriminates...blah, blah, blah...
We need a Constitutional Amendment that forces states to verify their voter's eligibility. Period.
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realwest Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:44:01pm |
re: #723 wolfie
Yeah and I'd like good health however........If McCain wins, he's likely to be facing a Dem Congress and the Dems have always fought those ideas of voter identification, so good luck with that!
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Pawn of the Oppressor Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:44:02pm |
re: #716 Kosh's Shadow
Good.
And the "socialism has never been tried" idea is sort of true; the implementations never matched the theory. But this shows to me that it cannot be implemented as it is theoretically described; the theory is so totally faulty as to make no sense; it cannot be implemented. Human nature just doesn't work that way.
I remember reading somewhere*** that the first two weeks or so of the Russian Revolution went pretty well. Labor cooperated with management, factory output was up, workers worked together, and everything was proceeding according to theory. Then the Bolsheviks showed up, and the rest is sad history.
I've also read that there were some successes with communal syndicates in the early days of the Spanish Civil War, but again, it didn't last.
*** this is all I can ever remember. I read something, somewhere, and it was interesting, but I can't say who wrote the article or even what year I read it. This is why I don't talk politics off of LGF.
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wolfie Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:44:13pm |
re: #741 hermeneutics
Absolutely. Great idea.
(I still want inked fingers, though. The only way I can think of to prevent multiple votes.)
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:45:09pm |
re: #743 CIA Reject
Yeah, and "Brave New World" is about Haliburton. Geez, no wonder satirists are out of work this stuff practically writes itself...
Seriously though, IMHO NOBODY should be allowed to graduate from High School in the U.S. without having to read, and understand "Animal Farm", "1984", and "Brave New World". If they did BO would still be stuffing ballot boxes in Chicago....
I read Brave New World, 1984, and Fahrenheit 451 within the space of a single month while I was in high school. I haven't been the same since.
Of all these, Brave New World seems the most prophetic in seeming to predict the vacuous, hedonistic, materialistic, morally bankrupt world of the mass media culture.
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quickredfox Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:45:35pm |
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cliffster Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:45:43pm |
So we don't really have any idea the extent to which voting patterns would change if true election reform were put into place. Ink fingers, fingerprint/retinal scans for voter registrations, national database for voters. We all know the stories of dead democrats voting all through the first half of this century. But what's really going on in the here and now? If we found a way to lock it down, would Republicans sweep the presidential vote? Would the democrats win the presidency but GOP take House seats that haven't been red in decades? There could be illegal voting trends that have been in place for decades. Who knows what would come from stirring the hornet's nest.
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Desert Dog Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:45:57pm |
re: #731 laZardo
I actually read The Manifesto as part of an assignment in Political Science stage. It was apparently originally written for industrialized, capitalist Germany (the feudal agrarian society as found in Russia was the stage before capitalism.)
What struck me though was that Marx didn't exactly describe the precise means to that end, and this is what's caused so many people to come up with their own ways to do so...
We've had those "grey" areas filled in by a few wonderful people....Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Mao, Kim Il-sung. None of them hardly from an industrialized or capitalist system.
I went to Marx's grave at Highgate. I dance around and on it a bit, and then, after a more than a few pints of Holsten Extra Strong, pissed all over it. So, if you make a visit, keep that in mind.
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gmsc Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:46:08pm |
re: #749 twincitiesgirl
OT- This looks like good news....
Conservatives re-elected to power in Canada
Ace of Spades: Anyway, it appears the Conservatives (don't get excited...it's Canada and Conservative is a relative term) are going to win.
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hermeneutics Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:46:34pm |
The Zobgy Tracking Poll released on Drudge:
Obama 48.2 (-.8)
McCain 44.4 (+1.6)
A 2.6 point swing toward McCain looks pretty good to me.
John Zogby told WIOD Miami radio host Jimmy Cefalo this morning that “…if Senator Obama cannot close this deal McCain could actually win a landslide, in any case it will not be a repeat of 2000 or 2004.”
From Hedgehog Report.
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jcm Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:46:36pm |
re: #758 wolfie
Absolutely. Great idea.
(I still want inked fingers, though. The only way I can think of to prevent multiple votes.)
Photo ID, vote in Person (except for real absentee need), and accounting rules tabulation.
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NY Nana Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:46:39pm |
re: #723 wolfie
I agree with you, but as I am legally disabled, my ballot is mailed to me about 3 1/2 weeks before the election, and I already mailed it back to the County Board of Elections, where it is opened that night when the polls close.
I have known since the primary who I would vote for...the Republicans.
McCain was not my first choice, but I voted for him in a nano-second, as the alternative is unthinkable, as is not voting.
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:46:46pm |
re: #751 laZardo
I prefer Fahrenheit 451, actually. There's a monologue where one character explains how their TV-dependent society came about because nobody wanted to be offended, and anything offensive had to be destroyed...
Good catch- I'd forgotten that one. I'll add it to my "required reading" list!
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odinga Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:46:48pm |
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Syrah Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:46:49pm |
re: #742 laZardo
Uh...it's impossible to literally have a society just like 1984! It's just a metaphor for the times!
/
Watch it Winston. The Ministry of Love may take an interest in you.
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realwest Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:47:15pm |
re: #739 FamHistoryGuy
Hey thanks, I didn't know that! It just felt SO GOOD to be able to write "FREE' on the envelope!
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gmsc Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:47:36pm |
re: #541 gmsc
What would happen if we elect a Senator to the Presidency who is part of the cause of the biggest financial crisis in U.S. history?
Please, America, let's never find out.
re: #768 odinga
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newsjunkie_ky Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:47:50pm |
Go to [Link: www.congress.org...] and vote in the poll for POTUS.
Results begin tomorrow at noon.
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wolfie Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:47:52pm |
re: #752 Ojoe
That had not occurred to me.
Something to think about, for sure.
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Karridine Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:48:07pm |
re: #758 wolfie
Okay, I'm taking my inky finners away from this keyboard for a while... things to do, so look for me on the Over-Night Dead Thread...
/respects and respect to all, Y'all...
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gman Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:48:40pm |
re: #743 CIA Reject
Yeah, and "Brave New World" is about Haliburton. Geez, no wonder satirists are out of work this stuff practically writes itself...
Seriously though, IMHO NOBODY should be allowed to graduate from High School in the U.S. without having to read, and understand "Animal Farm", "1984", and "Brave New World". If they did BO would still be stuffing ballot boxes in Chicago....
We need classes in logic and also we need a team of Lizards to go through school textbooks and weed out the liberal indoctrination that is spreading its malignant message to our young people.
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newsjunkie_ky Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:48:54pm |
re: #745 realwest
Hi there {newsjunkie_ky} um, the debate is tomorrow night!
How are you doing this night?
Doing good. It's past midnight in KY so the debate is tonight.
How are you doing?
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Steffan Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:49:24pm |
Have you seen this one? Ethicists Ponder Plants' Rights.
ZURICH -- For years, Swiss scientists have blithely created genetically modified rice, corn and apples. But did they ever stop to consider just how humiliating such experiments may be to plants?
That's a question they must now ask. Last spring, this small Alpine nation began mandating that geneticists conduct their research without trampling on a plant's dignity.
"Unfortunately, we have to take it seriously," Beat Keller, a molecular biologist at the University of Zurich. "It's one more constraint on doing genetic research."
What are they smoking, and why aren't they sharing?
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wolfie Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:49:49pm |
re: #756 realwest
Yes. There's a powerful reason why this nonsense is allowed to continue.
It begins with a Dem and ends with a crat.
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poopeedoo Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:50:14pm |
re: #513 stuiec
My teenage daughter has discovered The Rocky Horror Picture Show. The scene at the end where Riff-Raff and Magenta kill Frankenfurter and Rocky goes all King Kong on the RKO Radio tower by the swimming pool? Picture McCain and Palin as Riff-Raff and Magenta, Obama as Frankenfurter and Olbermann as Rocky.
Toast! (toast goes flying through the air.) Don't forget to point to the back of the theatre when they sing, "...in the back row". Oh oh oh...
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Syrah Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:50:37pm |
re: #768 odinga
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laZardo Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:50:58pm |
re: #769 Syrah
The Thought Police: Starting 'em Young since 2008.
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rawmuse Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:51:22pm |
re: #723 wolfie
If McCain wins, I would like to see him make a clean-up of voter fraud a high priority. I want voter IDs ! I want inked fingers! No absent ballots without a damned good excuse! And I want Congress to pass legislation enforcing election day. No voting in advance.
I want registering to vote to be at least as difficult as purchasing a handgun in the state of CA. Background check, waiting period, the whole bit.
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realwest Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:52:26pm |
re: #741 hermeneutics
"Anyway, employers call a hotline and verify SS numbers, etc. It must work."
Well LGFer whabicorridor once explained that to me; the employer calls, natch, the Department of Labor, who then read off what are frequently months old lists of invalid SS card numbers and if the SS number isn't on the list, then they deem it valid. Really screwed up, I tells ya. Employers are entitled to know if they are hiring illegal workers or not and should be able to call SSN directly and ask if that number was EVER ISSUED to anyone and if so to whom and when.
But they can't do that now.
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gman Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:52:44pm |
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Pawn of the Oppressor Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:53:04pm |
re: #764 hermeneutics
John Zogby told WIOD Miami radio host Jimmy Cefalo this morning that “…if Senator Obama cannot close this deal McCain could actually win a landslide, in any case it will not be a repeat of 2000 or 2004.”
Which is a fancy way of saying that they have no idea what might happen. Rumsfeld's Known Unknowns at work!
I have been wondering if perhaps there is a so-called Silent Majority waiting in the wings to flush the Phauxbamanon down the crapper. I don't dare hope, but November 5th is going to be interesting. I get a strong sense from suprising sources that a lot of people are going for McPain for a plethora of reasons.
Of course, I don't want to sound like that idiot reporter from years ago, "Nobody I knew voted for him?!"
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:53:24pm |
I just got into an argument with my Grandma, who has apparently transformed into a ridiculous moonbat. She's been listening to my idiot uncle, apparently.
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:53:46pm |
re: #759 Shiplord Kirel
I read Brave New World, 1984, and Fahrenheit 451 within the space of a single month while I was in high school. I haven't been the same since.
Of all these, Brave New World seems the most prophetic in seeming to predict the vacuous, hedonistic, materialistic, morally bankrupt world of the mass media culture.
We were required to read all four (1984, Animal Farm, Brave New World, and Farenheit 451) in junior year of high school and they contributed mightily to my world view.
Kids need to have experiences like that today!
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Intrepid Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:54:07pm |
re: #779 Steffan
Have you seen this one? Ethicists Ponder Plants' Rights.
What are they smoking, and why aren't they sharing?
It's a true paradox if they are smoking weed, when they're so concerned about the dignity of plants.
PLANTISM!
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Desert Dog Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:54:18pm |
How about we issue a Voter ID card, complete with photograph, fingerprint, and a holographic image to prevent counterfeiting to every voter. Then, at the polling station, there should be a book containing the photograph of every voter in the precinct. This book is available to the poll workers and observers from the various parties. If there’s a doubt as to someone’s identity, the poll workers can simply look up the person’s name and see if the photo matches up. Then, finally, the voter’s thumb is smudged with ink. That way, if he shows up at another polling site to vote, they know he’s already voted elsewhere. (The ink wears off after a few days.)
Could you hear the Left, La Raza, NAACP, etc howl over those requirements? We would hear cries of racism and voter disenfranchisement. After they settle down, just tell them those are the rules the Mexican Government uses for their elections. It is pretty pathetic a country as advanced as ours still votes the way we do. I know the federal system we use is partially to blame for this, but I still think it's total BS we cannot hold an election in this country without the fear of fraud and monkey business going on.
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abolitionist Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:54:33pm |
A public service announcement:
Wanted by the FBI - UNLAWFUL FLIGHT TO AVOID PROSECUTION - CAPITAL MURDER- MULTIPLE
YASER ABDEL SAID
Photograph of Yaser Abdel Said taken in 2006
Aliases: Yaser Abdel Fattah Mohammed Said, Yassein A. Said
Entry at dictionary.com - sayyid
say·yid /ˈsɑyɪd, ˈseɪɪd/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[sah-yid, sey-id] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. (in Islamic countries) a supposed descendant of Muhammad through his grandson Hussein, the second son of his daughter Fatima.
2. a title of respect, esp. for royal personages.
Also, said, sayed, sayid.[Origin: 1780–90; < Ar: lord]
So, besides armed and dangerous, I imagine this guy may be more than a little arrogant, and I hope databases include some alternate spellings.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:54:35pm |
re: #789 TheMatrix31
I just got into an argument with my Grandma, who has apparently transformed into a ridiculous moonbat. She's been listening to my idiot uncle, apparently.
Does Grandma want to pay more taxes on her Social Security?
Oh- and did your friend ever get back to you on a substantial accomplishment of 0bama's?
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realwest Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:55:04pm |
re: #748 JacksonTn
YEP! I'd LOVE to see a US Attorney bring RICO Charges against ACORN and have the judge refuse to allow ACORN or any of it's member or employee's have anything more to do with this election, for starters.
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laZardo Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:55:58pm |
re: #791 CIA Reject
I had to read those on my own time. Different classes in my K-12 had different reading lists, some of them read the dystopian classics, mine didn't.
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twincitiesgirl Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:56:12pm |
re: #779 Steffan
The rule, based on a constitutional amendment, came into being after the Swiss Parliament asked a panel of philosophers, lawyers, geneticists and theologians to establish the meaning of flora's dignity.
unbelievable
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:56:25pm |
re: #777 gman
We need classes in logic and also we need a team of Lizards to go through school textbooks and weed out the liberal indoctrination that is spreading its malignant message to our young people.
And to top it off we need teachers who are dedicated to education, not indoctrination.
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ggt Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:56:41pm |
re: #779 Steffan
This is an example of the vacuum created by lack of religion. IMHO. I'm not an overly religious person, but I can see it serves a purpose in the lives of individiuals.
Dignity of plants --ooooookkkkkkeeeeyyyyy! How about the dignity of the human soul?
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:56:51pm |
re: #793 Desert Dog
I have a cheaper method. Voters must show ID to get a ballot. After submitting their ballot, voters get a purple dyed finger, a la Iraq, with dye that will not wash off for a couple days.
Proof of citizenship, proof of submitted ballot- voter fraud next to non-existent.
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stuiec Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:57:48pm |
re: #751 laZardo
Kurt Vonnegut's short story Harrison Bergeron is a classic of the genre.
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NY Nana Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:58:30pm |
re: #776 Sharmuta
Sharm,
Whenever I see any lizard pout and say they will not vote? Do they not realize what country they live in, and what the damage could be if enough voters throw a tantrum?
I appreciate that New York only allows registered voters to vote in a primary. Any state that does allow indies invites skewering of the primary by POS like the members of ACORN...
/And I resent that Mickie Mouse was voted for, but poor Minnie Mouse was treated like a rat.
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laZardo Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:58:32pm |
re: #803 stuiec
I definitely read THAT one though. Not having a device that makes loud noises strapped to my head, that's for sure.
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ggt Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:59:05pm |
re: #786 realwest
why can't they just run the SS# thru the credit reporting services like banks etc do? I worked for a finance company in my youth and we did that automatically. Amazing how many of the people wanting financing shared the same SS# with 10-12 people at multiple addresses.
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Desert Dog Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:59:09pm |
re: #743 CIA Reject
Yeah, and "Brave New World" is about Haliburton. Geez, no wonder satirists are out of work this stuff practically writes itself...
Seriously though, IMHO NOBODY should be allowed to graduate from High School in the U.S. without having to read, and understand "Animal Farm", "1984", and "Brave New World". If they did BO would still be stuffing ballot boxes in Chicago....
If Obama wins, they will toss out those "old books" and make every child read (and memorize) Dreams from My Father and The Audacity of Hope. Much more scholarly and important than those crusty old tomes written by dead white guys.
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Pawn of the Oppressor Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:59:16pm |
What kids need, I think, is a discussion of the Rational vs. the Romantic. All of the major conflicts of culture and politics that have afflicted the human race since the late 1700s have stemmed from the differences between the two worldviews. Almost every bit of relevant recent history can be fit into that framework. Hitler was the ultimate Romantic, for example, and you can explain WW2 in mere minutes starting from that main idea.
Rational vs. Romantic, and a bit of schooling into the nature of Maritime Merchant Capitalism vs. Territorial Empire, and you can make sense of much of the last 500 years.
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laZardo Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:59:36pm |
I'm about to head out to college, but I've got one question...
Whotf is Phil Gramm and why is he being called out as one of the main instigators of the financial crisis?
/takes Wiki with a salt shaker
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spirochete Tue, Oct 14, 2008 9:59:40pm |
re: #797 laZardo
I had to read those on my own time. Different classes in my K-12 had different reading lists, some of them read the dystopian classics, mine didn't.
How about a reading list for lizards?
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:00:02pm |
re: #801 ggt
This is an example of the vacuum created by lack of religion. IMHO. I'm not an overly religious person, but I can see it serves a purpose in the lives of individiuals.
Dignity of plants --ooooookkkkkkeeeeyyyyy! How about the dignity of the human soul?
Oh, humans? You can slaughter as many of those as you want. It justified because of what they do to plants...
/MegaSarc
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stuiec Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:00:03pm |
re: #789 TheMatrix31
Never argue with Grandma. She will only dig in her heels. You need to find other methods of persuasion to make her see the light.
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gman Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:00:09pm |
re: #800 CIA Reject
And to top it off we need teachers who are dedicated to education, not indoctrination.
that means students come first, not a quality cherished by the elitist.
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cliffster Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:00:29pm |
re: #768 odinga
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Steffan Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:01:02pm |
re: #786 realwest
"Anyway, employers call a hotline and verify SS numbers, etc. It must work."
Well LGFer whabicorridor once explained that to me; the employer calls, natch, the Department of Labor, who then read off what are frequently months old lists of invalid SS card numbers and if the SS number isn't on the list, then they deem it valid. Really screwed up, I tells ya. Employers are entitled to know if they are hiring illegal workers or not and should be able to call SSN directly and ask if that number was EVER ISSUED to anyone and if so to whom and when.
But they can't do that now.
Actually, the employer can go online on the SSA business services webpage. National database. Everybody who has ever had an SSN is in it.
There are two Internet verification options you can use to verify that your employee names and Social Security numbers match Social Security's records. You can:
* Verify up to 10 names and SSNs (per screen) online and receive immediate results. This option is ideal to verify new hires.
* Upload overnight files of up to 250,000 names and SSNs and usually receive results the next government business day. This option is ideal if you want to verify an entire payroll database or if you hire a large number of workers at a time.
While the service is available to all employers and third-party submitters, it can only be used to verify current or former employees and only for wage reporting (Form W-2) purposes.
And like most government mainframes, it's the flower of 1975 technology. We have state of the art PCs pretending to be an IBM 3270.
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:01:35pm |
re: #807 Desert Dog
If Obama wins, they will toss out those "old books" and make every child read (and memorize) Dreams from My Father and The Audacity of Hope. Much more scholarly and important than those crusty old tomes written by dead white guys.
Sad but true....
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gman Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:02:17pm |
re: #800 CIA Reject
And to top it off we need teachers who are dedicated to education, not indoctrination.
btw the Lizard team will be known as
Special Lizard Operational Detachment-Tango (SLOD-T)
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realwest Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:02:20pm |
re: #761 cliffster
I don't know, but I'd sure as hell like to and I don't give a rat's ass who's ox gets gored in the end.
I'm sure y'all know - I've said it out here often enough, that to get a damn "Pedestrians License" (I can't drive cause of my meds, but needed a photo ID with my address on it once I moved down to N.C., and I had to present a valid photo ID (NYS Driver's License) birth certificate or passport AND proof of where I lived (utility bills - not photocopies of leases) and it was FREE. Why the hell is it so difficult for EVERYONE to have a free, photo ID card to be able to vote?
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Jim D Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:03:05pm |
re: #801 ggt
it's just standard stupidity and religion certainly isn't a cure for that
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CIA Reject Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:03:47pm |
re: #814 gman
that means students come first, not a quality cherished by the elitist.
Ain't that the truth! Lefties are the first to trot out the kids, not for the kid's sakes but to advance some agenda...
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laZardo Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:04:01pm |
re: #807 Desert Dog
If Obama wins, they will toss out those "old books" and make every child read (and memorize) Dreams from My Father and The Audacity of Hope. Much more scholarly and important than those crusty old tomes written by dead white guys.
They'll keep 1984 on though, just to warn of the dangers of the RIGHT WIGN CONAPSRIACY.
/typos intended.
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jcm Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:04:05pm |
re: #819 realwest
I don't know, but I'd sure as hell like to and I don't give a rat's ass who's ox gets gored in the end.
I'm sure y'all know - I've said it out here often enough, that to get a damn "Pedestrians License" (I can't drive cause of my meds, but needed a photo ID with my address on it once I moved down to N.C., and I had to present a valid photo ID (NYS Driver's License) birth certificate or passport AND proof of where I lived (utility bills - not photocopies of leases) and it was FREE. Why the hell is it so difficult for EVERYONE to have a free, photo ID card to be able to vote?
What? And have the THE MAN have a record I exist?
bogus dude!
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:04:23pm |
re: #795 Sharmuta
Does Grandma want to pay more taxes on her Social Security?
Oh- and did your friend ever get back to you on a substantial accomplishment of 0bama's?
I don't know. All she could do was parrot off talking points from MSNBC. Palin is evil, McCain is old, blah blah blah.
Meanwhile, this lady is like, a pure Christian who's been a conservative her whole life. Maybe I should tell her that Obama voted against healthcare for babies who have survived abortions. I suppose she doesn't really know what she's talking about, but it's ridiculous.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:04:39pm |
And no, my other buddy has not come up with anything.
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capitalist piglet Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:04:49pm |
re: #87 soccerdad
wow....now it is credit card fraud. Has the discourse in this country devolved this much that not only do people (on BOTH SIDES) steal votes, but are engaging in CC fraud?
Couple Challenges $2300 Credit Card Charge to Obama Campaign
Unreal!
"They said they notified Chase, their credit card bank, to report the fraud.
'(They) said that they had seen-they were familiar with this,' said Steve Larman. 'It was fraud, they believe through telemarketing but they were going to be doing some more investigations.'"
So there apparently were multiple victims of this. Wow.
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Desert Dog Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:05:03pm |
re: #810 laZardo
I'm about to head out to college, but I've got one question...
Whotf is Phil Gramm and why is he being called out as one of the main instigators of the financial crisis?
/takes Wiki with a salt shaker
Phil Gramm was a powerful Republican Senator in the 1970's - 1990's. He was heavy into the Enron nonsense in the 1990's. I also think he was part of the law that started the Sub-Prime mess. It figures Gramm is chosen as the fall guy, not all the Democrats (Bill Clinton especially) that pushed for this trend. There is plenty of blame to go around, both parties have dirty hands. But, I would say the Democrats pushed for and then maintained this mess, even when people (from both parties) started waving red flags.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:05:14pm |
re: #819 realwest
I don't know, but I'd sure as hell like to and I don't give a rat's ass who's ox gets gored in the end.
I'm sure y'all know - I've said it out here often enough, that to get a damn "Pedestrians License" (I can't drive cause of my meds, but needed a photo ID with my address on it once I moved down to N.C., and I had to present a valid photo ID (NYS Driver's License) birth certificate or passport AND proof of where I lived (utility bills - not photocopies of leases) and it was FREE. Why the hell is it so difficult for EVERYONE to have a free, photo ID card to be able to vote?
Not all states issue free IDs. Washington State charges $20.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:05:57pm |
re: #757 Pawn of the Oppressor
I remember reading somewhere*** that the first two weeks or so of the Russian Revolution went pretty well. Labor cooperated with management, factory output was up, workers worked together, and everything was proceeding according to theory. Then the Bolsheviks showed up, and the rest is sad history.
I've also read that there were some successes with communal syndicates in the early days of the Spanish Civil War, but again, it didn't last.
*** this is all I can ever remember. I read something, somewhere, and it was interesting, but I can't say who wrote the article or even what year I read it. This is why I don't talk politics off of LGF.
In the small scale, socialism can work. Look at the kibbutzim in Israel.
However, they are embedded in a capitalist system, and no one is forced to stay there. Anyone who can but won't pull their weight can be thrown out, and they are small enough that social pressure works.
It doesn't work in a large scale, where people are forced to live like that.
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Sharmuta Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:05:57pm |
re: #804 NY Nana
Nana- I'm about ready to smack some of these Eeyores.
/Maybe I should get my tiger friend to deal with them.....
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realwest Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:07:44pm |
re: #765 jcm
Uh , what are " accounting rules tabulation."?
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laZardo Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:08:57pm |
re: #827 Desert Dog
Aren't they also trying to tie him in with McCain as "guilt by association?"
/checking, checking
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realwest Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:08:58pm |
re: #773 newsjunkie_ky
Went and voted. Please remind me tomorrow where the link is for the results!
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Syrah Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:09:01pm |
re: #824 TheMatrix31
I don't know. All she could do was parrot off talking points from MSNBC. Palin is evil, McCain is old, blah blah blah.
Meanwhile, this lady is like, a pure Christian who's been a conservative her whole life. Maybe I should tell her that Obama voted against healthcare for babies who have survived abortions. I suppose she doesn't really know what she's talking about, but it's ridiculous.
jwb7605 found this and posted it yesterday.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:09:13pm |
re: #831 Sharmuta
LMAO!
Keep in mind that my Grandma's English is terrible, and that I have to communicate with her in Armenian. That being said, I can't set her straight easily.
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stuiec Tue, Oct 14, 2008 10:10:31pm |
