Ahhh, fishing.... Maybe I don't work tomorrow...

Okay, folks. Fish or cut bait! To fish one must have a pole or a seine. I prefer the pole. More sporting. Does a fish caught on a pole taste differently than one taken in a seine?

I love that!

I don't need a fish or a fishing pole. I use dynamite, baby!

re: #5 Idle Drifter

Is your name Ayers by any chance?

Would have been nice if the republican candidate had a similar message.

Some fishermen troll.

re: #6 Cap'n DOC

Damn! Forgot the sarc tag. Do I get a do-over?

I was just thinking about this yesterday. It must be in the air.

"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."

The Chinese were onto something there...

re: #8 jorline

Heh. And some fish for trolls.

re: #3 Cap'n DOC

Okay, folks. Fish or cut bait! To fish one must have a pole or a seine. I prefer the pole. More sporting. Does a fish caught on a pole taste differently than one taken in a seine?

Scientific studies have discovered that fish, caught on a pole and hook, goes through much more trauma than fish caught in a seine, which causes some metabolic changes that can effect the taste of the fish when cooked.

Fisht!

er, wait.

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Would have been nice if the republican candidate had a similar message.

It's just as much 0bama's message. He wants to had out free fish. Oh- and he'll tax anyone with a pole.

Awesome.
I love this.

I'd like ta go fishin' and smokin' and drinkin' with Tom Waits...

I wonder if BHO's ever fished.

re: #12 Walter L. Newton

I don't know how the Game Warden would look on my cartin' a seine to my favorite fishin' spot, Walter. I've timed my retrievals through the ice, and I'd say the trauma on average lasts about 30 seconds. After that, they be dead.

re: #17 MandyManners

I wonder if BHO's ever fished.

only fer donations and cigarette butts..

re: #14 Sharmuta

It's just as much 0bama's message. He wants to had out free fish. Oh- and he'll tax anyone with a pole.

Should be "hand out free fish".

re: #12 Walter L. Newton

How 'bout a big ol gun. What does that do to the metabolic levels?

/why I eat venison

re: #17 MandyManners

I wonder if BHO's ever fished.

That's racist!

re: #17 MandyManners

I wonder if BHO's ever fished.

I don't know about that, but his wife says he has stinky feet.
/I know there's a connection there somewhere.
;)

Yes! No handouts! The Barry Obama socialist policies don't work in the long run.

re: #17 MandyManners

I wonder if BHO's ever fished.

Just in our wallets for re-distribution "donations"

Fishy fishy fish?

OT...sorry, but..................

Mahoney audio, you work at my pleasure, OK...call what's her name, OK...your fired, OK?

Isn't it illegal for Mahoney to threaten her by withholding her last paycheck?

re: #21 ArmyWife

How 'bout a big ol gun. What does that do to the metabolic levels? /why I eat venison

Ah, I made that answer up. I should have used a sarc tag. But, if any scientist HAVE studied catching fist, I bet it was financed by money from a democratic rider to a bill.

re: #27 jorline

OT...sorry, but..................

Mahoney audio, you work at my pleasure, OK...call what's her name, OK...your fired, OK?

Isn't it illegal for Mahoney to threaten her by withholding her last paycheck?

Not if she didn't put out!

re: #14 Sharmuta

Agreed. A decent conservative candidate would have embraced this (or something like it) as an ad campaign. It's hip, easy to understand and it's a marketable concept. Instead McCain is parroting Obama's 'yes we can' and "change" slogans instead of coming up with something himself. This isn't a million dollar ad campaign thought up my high paid marketing experts. This is from some idiot's blog! (apologies to the idiot and his blog, they're both fantastic I'm sure) But why isn't this McCain's core message? There are tons of great ideas out there. Pick one!

re: #11 Cap'n DOC

Heh. And some fish for trolls.

Well...yes they do, DOC.

How are you tonight, DOC?

I think Joe has fished.

re: #6 Cap'n DOC

Is your name Ayers by any chance?

Uh, no.

re: #12 Walter L. Newton

Tastes fine to me.

re: #15 FrogMarch

Awesome.
I love this.

whoa - If you actually go to "youcan" dot com - you get:

YouCan.com
+ YouCan.net
+ YouCan.ws
is for Sale at $999,999.00

I don't have that kind of money.

If you're a vegetarian is the choice a carrot or a stick?

re: #30 Killgore Trout

This could have been McCain's campaign song: John the Fisherman

re: #22 Walter L. Newton

That's racist!

That was clever Walter.

re: #30 Killgore Trout

Yes, thank you.

A simple, yet relevant message transcending class, education, and understanding.

Back to basics.

re: #38 Walter L. Newton

That was clever Walter.

Well, thank you. It's a little quiet in her tonight.

re: #29 Walter L. Newton

Not if she didn't put out!

How are you, Walter?

May be I missed the /sarc?

That's not the point of the conversation. He's telling if she doesn't call what's her name he'll withhold her last check.

re: #40 Walter L. Newton

Well, thank you. It's a little quiet in her tonight.

IN HER?!?

Want to see something wonderful this evening?

One incredible horse...

re: #40 Walter L. Newton

Well, thank you. It's a little quiet in her tonight.

Yes, it is. I saw Killgore, but he was talking to himself, see message #30.

Now I am off to look at my neighbor's ankle.

Ever since Barry said it is a right, well,....

re: #17 MandyManners

I wonder if BHO's ever fished.

He says in his Field and Stream interview (where he stupidly [for him] let the mask slip that he's a collosal gun-grabber) that he spear-fished in Hawaii, but never in Illinois.

/Palandine's still recovering from a great episode of House. She has a huge crush on Hugh Laurie

re: #10 Irene NYC

I was just thinking about this yesterday. It must be in the air.

"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."

The Chinese were onto something there...

This is also in Pirke Avot -- Sayings of the Fathers ... Judaism 301

re: #30 Killgore Trout

He's 72. We have to push him across the finish line so we don't have to live with a inept socialist and his inept and corrupt congress for 4-8.
Otherwise, I agree with you. McCain - heck -republicans in general - have an aversion to updating and modernizing the conservative message. It's way past time.

Rats, link no work...grrrrr

repost from downstairs:

good Evening Lizards! It was a glorious day in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicago today. The Fall colors are in full bloom.

From the posts downstairs it seems the Obama campers are feeling some competition from McCain/Palin.

How are you-all tonite and what are we talking about?

re: #42 joecitizen

IN HER?!?

That's slang for "in here."

re: #36 BakaRanger

If you're a vegetarian is the choice a carrot or a stick?

Vegetarian -- an old Indian word meaning "bad hunter".

re: #30 Killgore Trout

I'm not so certain that would work anyways. Too many people are willing to take the free fish because they don't equate it with dependence nor the dangers that dependence really means.

I still think people want cheap energy for their cars and homes. They want job security. 0bama's not going to help with either, and I think McCain should hammer him on it.

re: #32 MandyManners

I think Joe has fished.

LOL...let's hope Joe is resting comfortably in the "Villages" this time next year.

re: #52 Archimedes

LOL

re: #39 formercorpsman

It's not complicated and it's not expensive. Great marketable versions of "conservatism" are out there. In fact they're a dime a dozen for those who know where to look. I'm not even a conservative and it's plain for me to see. What's the deal with the rest of you?

re: #41 jorline

How are you, Walter? May be I missed the /sarc?
That's not the point of the conversation. He's telling if she doesn't call what's her name he'll withhold her last check.

Yes, I was being silly. I'm in a silly mood today. I'm trying to get my dose of silly in before the debates tomorrow night.

re: #43 Meremortal

Internet Explorer will not display --or can't. I don't know which.

OT: LIBOR rates show some signs of easing.

Money-market tensions begin to ease

LONDON (MarketWatch) -- Key short-term lending rates fell slightly again Tuesday, raising hopes that massive government bailouts and wide-ranging debt and deposit guarantees will soon begin to thaw the world's frozen interbank lending markets.
The London interbank offered rate, or Libor, for three-month dollar-denominated loans fell to 4.635% from 4.725% Monday, while the one-month rate declined to 4.46875% from 4.56%.
Tuesday's easing is welcome news, but money-market rates "are still very high," said Zach Witton, an analyst at Moody's Economy.com, in a research note.
Libor is closely followed as a measure of borrowing costs in the interbank market.

This is a good sign but the rates are still very high.

re: #38 Walter L. Newton

That was clever Walter.

LMAO...Walter, you scare me when you answer yourself.

re: #17 MandyManners

I wonder if BHO's ever fished.

He wanted to but his bike had flat tires.

re: #43 Meremortal

Want to see something wonderful this evening?

One incredible horse...

How are you today?

re: #10 Irene NYC

I was just thinking about this yesterday. It must be in the air.

"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish fill out 100 ballots for a fish thief and you feed him for a lifetime few more days."

The Chinese ACORN's were onto something there...

fixed for Huffpo and Kos

other peoples fish are less tasty but the time saved allows for more Xbox

re: #49 Meremortal

Rats, link no work...grrrrr

Try this.

[Link: www.flixxy.com...]

you had an extra . in there.

re: #46 Palandine

He says in his Field and Stream interview (where he stupidly [for him] let the mask slip that he's a collosal gun-grabber) that he spear-fished in Hawaii, but never in Illinois.

/Palandine's still recovering from a great episode of House. She has a huge crush on Hugh Laurie

emptying his stapler into a gold fishbowl does not qualify him as a spear fisher. but thats the obama way. just like his grandpappy/uncle liberating aushwitz...this man is the king of lies.

If they hand you a fish. It is generally a stinky, smelly, bad fish that you don't want.

re: #57 Walter L. Newton

Yes, I was being silly. I'm in a silly mood today. I'm trying to get my dose of silly in before the debates tomorrow night.

Silly on, brother!

The Nikkei in Tokyo is down 100 points so far after the open.

NO PLACE ELSE TO PUT THIS UNTIL AN OVERNIGHT THREAD IS CREATED.

Off Topic:

Just saw BODY OF LIES and just maybe Hollyweird is starting to understand the threat that radical Islam poses to Western Civilization. I sat watching this movie thinking that the word is finally going to get out to the public about this cancer we lizards call ISLAMISM.

Sorry-------no link to post.

re: #51 Walter L. Newton

That's slang for "in here."

ah..you speak in the vernacular..I can dig it...

re: #10 Irene NYC

I was just thinking about this yesterday. It must be in the air.

"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."

The Chinese were onto something there...

A friend in the Thai Army of all places is fond of saying, "Build a man a fire, you keep him warm for an hour; set a man on fire, you keep him warm for the rest of his life."

Let's keep the cartoon thing going......

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

re: #53 Sharmuta

I'm not so certain that would work anyways. Too many people are willing to take the free fish because they don't equate it with dependence nor the dangers that dependence really means.

Americans have a long tradition of self reliance and independence. These character traits are fading just because nobody's celebrating them anymore but they are still very relevant to our national psyche. How about conservatives embracing these values again? If I have to hear one more "conservative" whine about losing because the press isn't fair I'm going to shit a pickle!

How old is this graphic artist?
I've been saying repeatedly that I've met no one under the age of 30 who is not in lock-step for The One.
Will she refute my bare hold on bitterness to the "utes."

re: #71 Shiplord Kirel

A friend in the Thai Army of all places is fond of saying, "Build a man a fire, you keep him warm for an hour; set a man on fire, you keep him warm for the rest of his life."

I heard this one...

Give a man a shot of arsenic, and you...

re: #65 Spider Mensch

emptying his stapler into a gold fishbowl does not qualify him as a spear fisher. but thats the obama way. just like his grandpappy/uncle liberating aushwitz...this man is the king of lies.

Says something about him and his relationship with boomsticks that he couldn't even fake being a sportsman, like J F'n K tried to.

We know with Obama we all get the shaft.

OK...PLEASE McCain call out Obama on the $250,000...the commercials are evrywhere!

Anyone know what came of Corsi's damning evidence?

re: #35 FrogMarch

whoa - If you actually go to "youcan" dot com - you get:

YouCan.com
+ YouCan.net
+ YouCan.ws
is for Sale at $999,999.00

I don't have that kind of money.

We can set up a payment plan if you need it.

//////

re: #59 3 wood

High as compared to when? I ran a LIBOR chart here from 2000 to 2008, and rates go from 7 in 2000 to 1 in 2003/2004, and are now around 4.5.

Going back to 1987 (earliest that that site works), the rates got over 10 in 1989.

I guess what I'm trying to figure out is the context of LIBOR and why these particular rates are considered high.

re: #68 3 wood

The Nikkei in Tokyo is down 100 points so far after the open.

Hey, 3 wood...hope you're well tonight.

You'll love this site...Global Stock Markets....refresh to update.

re: #42 joecitizen

Think 'rat cheer'.
As in 'Drop your ACORN registrations in this shoe box rat cheer '. **

** right here, for yankees

re: #76 Palandine

Says something about him and his relationship with boomsticks that he couldn't even fake being a sportsman, like J F'n K tried to.

When JFnK went into the woods and carried out those poor birds (that someone else shot for his sorry ass) for a photo op, it made me as angry as I have ever been during a campaign.

Actually pissed me off more than anything that "The One" has done. And "The One" has pissed me off before.

re: #76 Palandine

Says something about him and his relationship with boomsticks that he couldn't even fake being a sportsman, like J F'n K tried to.

you really know what obamas favorite sport is? whatever michele tells him his favorite sport is.

re: #17 MandyManners

I wonder if BHO's ever fished.

He says that he went fishing with his grandfather.

re: #78 cblesz

OK...PLEASE McCain call out Obama on the $250,000...the commercials are evrywhere!

Anyone know what came of Corsi's damning evidence?

I saw one tonight that claimed McCain will raise the middle-class family's taxes a HUGE amount.

wow....now it is credit card fraud. Has the discourse in this country devolved this much that not only do people (on BOTH SIDES) steal votes, but are engaging in CC fraud?

Couple Challenges $2300 Credit Card Charge to Obama Campaign

re: #30 Killgore Trout

But why isn't this McCain's core message?

With over half the U.S. population reliant on the government for a significant portion of their income, it's a hard sell. To her credit, Sarah Palin brought up the subject of personal responsibility in her debate with Plugs. But she still felt the need to temper it by making "greedy Wall Street" the villainous focal point.

re: #86 MandyManners

I saw one tonight that claimed McCain will raise the middle-class family's taxes a HUGE amount.

It is all just plain freaking lies and he gets away with it...if I am an average Joe and do not know any better...I think, yup Obama is MY GUY

It's sad, but MANY people are content just to get the fish, rotting or not.

re: #73 Killgore Trout

Americans have a long tradition of self reliance and independence. These character traits are fading just because nobody's celebrating them anymore but they are still very relevant to our national psyche. How about conservatives embracing these values again? If I have to hear one more "conservative" whine about losing because the press isn't fair I'm going to shit a pickle!

Hey- I agree. I don't know what it's been about the press in the last 8 years that's made any republican think they were going to be fair this year. These are the cards we've been dealt, and it's better to deal with them as they are than whine about the cards we wish we had.

Personally- I'd like the Eeyores to stop- to shut up, buck up and do what they can to help defeat 0bama. I'd like to see the so-called republican pundits stop- to shut up, buck up and do what they can to help defeat 0bama. Once we keep this man out of the White House, we can work on what we need to do to fix our "product" to the American people, but 3 weeks before the election is not the time to solve this problem. It's too late. We should have started dealing with it in November 2004. It's waited this long, it can go 3 more weeks, but we have to defeat 0bama first.

re: #82 tradewind

Think 'rat cheer'.
As in 'Drop your ACORN registrations in this shoe box rat cheer '. **

** right here, for yankees

like the cats from the north during the civil war who couldn't comprehend the southern boys sayin' they were 'fightin' for our rats..'

You can't make this shiite up:
Fox News just ran a crawl that said
' Grateful Dead members drum up support for Obama'
The irony.....

re: #87 soccerdad

BIG OBAMA IS RIPPING US OFF!

re: #14 Sharmuta

It's just as much 0bama's message. He wants to had out free fish. Oh- and he'll tax anyone with a pole.

So does than mean women get away untaxed?

/ducks

re: #86 MandyManners

I saw one tonight that claimed McCain will raise the middle-class family's taxes a HUGE amount.

The left have learned that they have to lie about taxes. They finally get it .
It won't matter. Once democrats are elected, they raise taxes.

re: #90 sharp_discernment

It's sad, but MANY people are content just to get the fish, rotting or not.

As long as the one you got is rotting too.

re: #17 MandyManners

I wonder if BHO's ever fished.

He just makes them magically appear with wine, after he walks on water of course.

re: #62 Walter L. Newton

How are you today?

Hey Walter. I'm very well, except I'm having problems posting a link to an awesome video. And you?

i am praying i'm not asked to load the fish-hook.

For those who missed the good news from the previous thread:

BREAKING: 6th Circuit reverses on TRO (devastation, humiliation for Jennifer Brunner)

A 3-judge panel of the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals recently vacated a temporary restraining order which would effectively make Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner follow the law - and do her job - in preventing election fraud. Tonight, the full court decided to hear the case en banc, and has reimposed the TRO. This is great news.

Here are some highlights:

"So far as this record is concerned, the Secretary has given no tenable exlanation why her current interpretation of the statute, as opposed to the office's prior implementation of the law, remotely furthers the anti-fraud objective of the law."

The Ohio Republican Party's position is "not only sensible but it is also fair - and it also furthers both objectives of HAVA ..."

The court mocks Brunner's defense as "[t]he bureaucrats' lament - that this will be difficult to do."

UPDATE: In looking at the decision, it appears the full court voted 9-6 to hear the case en banc (which means all of them). I'd say the 9-6 vote is a good sign, but doesn't necessarily mean the case will end that way. Tonight's decision has been described as the opportunity to "live and fight another day." But in the world of temporary restraining orders, if you have it, that's all that matters for the time being. And the time being is what is crucial right now.

Second point - the initial district court decision got some press because the judge found that Brunner was actually violating the law. That dialogue was snuffed out by the subsequent reversal. But now it's back. When you run into Jennifer Brunner on the street, you can ask her why she's violating federal election laws.

UPDATE 2: Here's a link to the decision (pdf).

Independent verification of this:

Temporary restraining order reimposed in Ohio voting scandal
Federal court: Ohio must check voter registrations (Warning: AP version)
Judge Rules Against Ohio Elections Official in Battle Over Voter ...

See Google News for more on this story.

re: #88 David Simon

With over half the U.S. population reliant on the government for a significant portion of their income, it's a hard sell. To her credit, Sarah Palin brought up the subject of personal responsibility in her debate with Plugs. But she still felt the need to temper it by making "greedy Wall Street" the villainous focal point.

Half of the population of America is on governmental assistance?

re: #10 Irene NYC

I was just thinking about this yesterday. It must be in the air.

"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."

The Chinese were onto something there...

The Minnesota version is Give a man a fish you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will be gone all afternoons and most weekends so there will be peace in the house.

re: #35 FrogMarch

I have a paypal account. If you simply make your non-tax deductible donations to that, I promise to buy this link and make it one humdinger of a website. Trust me. Go ahead, take out your credit cards.

I really like both ads and I'd love to see a similar ad campaign in the future. It's about time the GOP gets back to party basics and tells the public that we're a party about empowerment and not entitlement.

re: #12 Walter L. Newton

Technically yes, if you fight the fish too much, it builds up lactic acid in its muscles and in some cases can be deadly. That's why its important to set the drag correctly on the reel and if you're really concerned, mash down the barbs on your hooks to allow the fish to throw it if it fights too much. Most fish survive catch-and-release if an angler is careful and doesn't handle the fish too much.

re: #50 ggt

Full moon tonight...Canadian election polls have closed (Harper may not have a majority -- may be back to a minority government...although may have to wait a few more hours to find out who's out/who's in...Elizabeth MoonBat May of the Green Party has conceded defeat! shocking! She's not gonna be Canada's next Prime Minister! ! !

re: #59 3 wood 3wood- Brian Williams yesterday predicted two years of 8% unemployment. But gas is down to 2.75 a gallon, which is as good as a shiny new stimulus check.
Go out on a limb here- what's going to happen?
My theory: if the western economies fall off the cliff, we catch a cold, the EU falls apart, and China has a bloody new Revolution.

re: #89 cblesz

It is all just plain freaking lies and he gets away with it...if I am an average Joe and do not know any better...I think, yup Obama is MY GUY

Joe Blow's not that stupid.

re: #80 lawhawk

I guess what I'm trying to figure out is the context of LIBOR and why these particular rates are considered high.

The spread between LIBOR and the US discount rate is the key. It means that the UK banks don''t want to loan money to each other and the is still freezing the credit market. The fact that the rates are dropping is a good sign, but still there is a long way to go.

Over all thought today was a great day, I shot a 74 this afternoon. with 4 birdies.

re: #95 soccerdad

So does than mean women get away untaxed?

/ducks

I didn't find this funny. Would you say this to Sarah Palin?

classic

re: #59 3 wood

OT: LIBOR rates show some signs of easing.

Money-market tensions begin to ease

This is a good sign but the rates are still very high.

Wow. At LIBOR plus 8.5%, we taxpayers are making a killing on "our" loan to AIG. ;->

re: #73 Killgore Trout

Americans have a long tradition of self reliance and independence. These character traits are fading just because nobody's celebrating them anymore but they are still very relevant to our national psyche. How about conservatives embracing these values again? If I have to hear one more "conservative" whine about losing because the press isn't fair I'm going to shit a pickle!

You touch upon a few competing movements here. Absolutely, the America of Washington, Jefferson, Emerson, Thoreau, Whitman, formed the base of who we are as a people. This is the wildcat soul of America and especially conservatism. And yet fewer and fewer people even know what this is. They know they are "conservative," because they know inherently what is right. But they don't have the backing of the true founding spirit of this country to really hold them up. This is because this stuff is not taught in schools anymore today. It's all about "the world and our place in it."

Once we no longer teach American history, we no longer have America. It's just another part of the "international community of nations."

Among the young, the widespread ignorance is shocking and disgraceful. They are getting the world they wish, and it is because we, their elders (and not implacating anyone here, many of whom tried to do the right thing), we did not do a good enough job of educating them.

The list of Liberal definitions on the second postcard immediately reminded me of the questionnaire in the movie The Parallax View, whereby potential assassins are screened after answering pages of a psycological profile.

re: #71 Shiplord Kirel
That's good.

re: #108 MandyManners

Joe Blow's not that stupid.

Amen.

McCain wins election night. I'm 75% sure of it.

/and 100% sure I'm getting drunk regardless

Well the Towercam is on the fritz, so here is some pointless fun instead.

Rocket bowling.

and/or

Bowling Pin Rocket.

I am glad somebody finally got reel with their graphics.

re: #35 FrogMarch

You can call it a day?

re: #102 MandyManners

I'm with you. Link please? I just do not buy this. I don't know anyone on any sort of gov't assistance, and you would think I could point to SOMEONE if 50% of the population was getting a handout.

re: #96 FrogMarch

The left have learned that they have to lie about taxes. They finally get it .
It won't matter. Once democrats are elected, they raise taxes.

I hope people think back to Carter.

re: #101 gmsc

Hallelujah!

re: #107 Jim in Virginia

3wood- Brian Williams yesterday predicted two years of 8% unemployment. But gas is down to 2.75 a gallon, which is as good as a shiny new stimulus check.
Go out on a limb here- what's going to happen?
My theory: if the western economies fall off the cliff, we catch a cold, the EU falls apart, and China has a bloody new Revolution.

Good call Brian Williams...gas is $2.56 a gallon here.

re: #110 Sharmuta

I didn't find this funny. Would you say this to Sarah Palin?

lighten up, Francis...

Good night, dear Lizards. I'm praying for the best outcome for America.

re: #101 gmsc

Something occurred to me today.

Are there going to be police at polling stations. Officials at polling stations are generally (in my area anyway) little old men and ladies. I can imagine the little old ladies and gentlemen who check IDs and stuff are (in many areas) going to be intimidated by voters.

Something else, why do I always try to spell voters v-o-t-o-r-s? Cause it sounds like motor?

Guns or Butter?

re: #108 MandyManners

Joe Blow's not that stupid.

I hope you are right.

It seems Alinsky has worked so far... Republicans are straight-jacketed by a need for truth. If an Obama "problem" is reported as having happened on a Tuesday but he really did it on a Wednesday, the charge itself is dismissed.

Meanwhile, Obama gets to lie with impunity.

re: #116 Palandine

Amen.

McCain wins election night. I'm 75% sure of it.

/and 100% sure I'm getting drunk regardless

I just wish it would hurry up and happen. I feel like a little kid waiting for Christmas.

re: #102 MandyManners

Half of the population of America is on governmental assistance?

I wouldn't put it quite that way. The figure includes people who have government jobs.

re: #110 Sharmuta

I didn't find this funny. Would you say this to Sarah Palin?

re: #124 joecitizen

lighten up, Francis...

I didn't find this funny. Would you say this to Obama?

re: #125 goddessoftheclassroom

Good night, dear Lizards. I'm praying for the best outcome for America.

{goddess}

How are you tonight?

re: #112 David Simon

does that mean we will get "stuff" or we will have a bigger gvt, to Tell us if we need money and what for?

re: #129 MandyManners

I just wish it would hurry up and happen. I feel like a little kid waiting for Christmas.

or Halloween

"Build a man a fire and he will be warm today.
Set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life."

///////////
/Old Fire Dept proverb.

re: #107 Jim in Virginia

Go out on a limb here- what's going to happen?
My theory: if the western economies fall off the cliff, we catch a cold, the EU falls apart, and China has a bloody new Revolution.

We have a recession for about 9 months to a year (longer if Obama wins and raises taxes), the European Union collapses, severe downturn in the UK and Ireland, the DOW bounces between 8500 and 9500 for the next 3 quarters, China and Japan are in a world of hurt, oil drops to around $60 a barrel and Chavez gets his in an uprising in Venezuela.

Iran's economy implodes.

An everything still gets blamed on Bush.

re: #121 MandyManners

I hope people think back to Carter.

These people don't even know who Carter is.

re: #120 ArmyWife

I'm with you. Link please? I just do not buy this. I don't know anyone on any sort of gov't assistance, and you would think I could point to SOMEONE if 50% of the population was getting a handout.

Does drawing SS count?

re: #104 ArmyWife

I have a paypal account. If you simply make your non-tax deductible donations to that, I promise to buy this link and make it one humdinger of a website. Trust me. Go ahead, take out your credit cards.

Well, you're an Army Wife - so sure. Where do I sign?

re: #120 ArmyWife

I'm with you. Link please? I just do not buy this. I don't know anyone on any sort of gov't assistance, and you would think I could point to SOMEONE if 50% of the population was getting a handout.

"Half of Americans on government assistance" sounds like one of those states where they're including anything that could be construed as "assistance": Social Security, disability, student loans from the government, etc., etc.

re: #128 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I hope you are right.

It seems Alinsky has worked so far... Republicans are straight-jacketed by a need for truth. If an Obama "problem" is reported as having happened on a Tuesday but he really did it on a Wednesday, the charge itself is dismissed.

Meanwhile, Obama gets to lie with impunity.

He's not gonna' win.

re: #91 Sharmuta

.....we can work on what we need to do to fix our "product" to the American people, but 3 weeks before the election is not the time to solve this problem. It's too late.

Indeed. Believe it or not I've been holding back on my criticism of McCain and Republicans. Wait until after the election, I have some things to say.

re: #126 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Something else, why do I always try to spell voters v-o-t-o-r-s? Cause it sounds like motor?

Motor votor law?

re: #109 3 wood

The spread between LIBOR and the US discount rate is the key. It means that the UK banks don''t want to loan money to each other and the is still freezing the credit market. The fact that the rates are dropping is a good sign, but still there is a long way to go.

Over all thought today was a great day, I shot a 74 this afternoon. with 4 birdies.

Thanks... and nice score... haven't played golf all year... hit a few golf balls a few weeks back, but that was to get frustration out more than to work on my game...

re: #130 David Simon

I wouldn't put it quite that way. The figure includes people who have government jobs.

Really? Link?

re: #89 cblesz

It is all just plain freaking lies and he gets away with it...if I am an average Joe and do not know any better...I think, yup Obama is MY GUY

Rush made a good point regarding the banks who are handing out the home loans. How can it be "greed" to give money to people who likely won't pay it back?

On of my favorite warbirds has retired.

Say goodbye to the MH-53 Pave Low, and hello to the CV-22 Osprey.

re: #134 twincitiesgirl

I just wish it would hurry up and happen. I feel like a little kid waiting for Christmas.

or Halloween

It never was agony waiting for Halloween for me.

re: #137 JohnAdams

These people don't even know who Carter is.

Then it's time to remind them again!

re: #137 JohnAdams

These people don't even know who Carter is.

Who are "these people"?

re: #136 3 wood

3 wood...go back to my #81 for you.

re: #142 Killgore Trout

Indeed. Believe it or not I've been holding back on my criticism of McCain and Republicans. Wait until after the election, I have some things to say.

We all will, the first time a President McCain does something McCain-ish. But I want him to be able to be McCain-ish in the White House at least.

re: #121 MandyManners

I hope people think back to Carter.

I know I do!

re: #124 joecitizen

No. We have assholes running around in "Sarah Palin is a c***" t-shirts, and I for one am sick of sexist jokes.

re: #137 JohnAdams

These people don't even know who Carter is.

After I had given Little Reject an extensive overview of the 1970's (when I went to college) she realized how much of a disaster a (G*d forbid) BO administration would be.

re: #118 Shr_Nfr

I am glad somebody finally got reel with their graphics.

Especially when they're cast in a good light.

re: #136 3 wood

300 years from now, talking apes will dig up tome stones inscribed: "IT'S BUSH'S FAULT!"

This ad is racist.

Note that the fishing pole is brown.

Obama is a brown-skinned man.

This is subliminal message to racist, white Rethuglicans that Obama plans to "whip out" his long, brown pole, and ravish pure white women, in the big "Massa" house on the plantation.

Racist, racist, racist.

/Awaiting my tenured position at Columbia U. English Dept.

Your text to link...Carter.

Peace Corps (para),

Give a man a fish, he will have dinner for a day;
Teach a man to fish; he will have dinner for life.

Given that the Proclaimed One is such a fan of the Peace Corps, Its support for Bread, rather than growing crops, makes me want for the Circuses even more.

re: #148 MandyManners

me either-- it's whether it will be trick or treat?

Carter.

If you give a man a fish you feed him for a day. If you teach a man to fish, you get rid of him for the weekend.

re: #142 Killgore Trout

Indeed. Believe it or not I've been holding back on my criticism of McCain and Republicans. Wait until after the election, I have some things to say.

I've never been a McCain fan. I'm willing to give him a chance to bring the republicans back to their reforming Washington ways, but I will be holding the man's feet to the fire.

re: #138 MandyManners

I wouldn't consider it as such Though not a fan of the SS system for philosophical reasons, its there and most who are receiving paid into it to begin with, even those getting it for a disability related reason. This is different than welfare. And honestly, there are people on welfare who legitimately need help for a bit. I wish it was handled through other private charities rather than taxes, but so be it. Its those on welfare for the twelvity-fourth time because they just had baby number 5 and aren't quite sure who to go after for child support that I struggle with the most!

re: #144 lawhawk

Thanks... and nice score

With the season winding down I do not have to worry about protecting my torn rotator cuff so much, so I went back to a full swing and let it rip today. Had drives of between 260 and 300 yards all day, depending on the wind.

Driver - 9 iron is a fun way to play.

re: #120 ArmyWife

I could point to SOMEONE if 50% of the population was getting a handout.

Yep. Except I didn't write "handout." Here's a link (and btw, I don't agree with the headline):

[Link: archive.newsmax.com...]

I have just found the perfect remedy for my irritation at Alan Colmes/random liberal pundits on TV. I stack my cat's catnip mice (she has many) beside me, and throw them at Colmes et al. every time they misrepresent something. And my cat gets some exercise chasing the mouse. Perfect.

re: #154 Sharmuta

No. We have assholes running around in "Sarah Palin is a c***" t-shirts, and I for one am sick of sexist jokes.

that's quite a stretch, shar..the man was goofin' fer crissake....for the record,none of those idiots would enjoy meeting me wearin' one of those, I believe violence has it's place...

re: #162 MandyManners

Carter.

Rabbit Bait.

re: #153 FrogMarch

I know I do!

I was just a kid but, I remember the gas problems and hearing my dad bitch about inflation.

re: #136 3 wood

We have a recession for about 9 months to a year (longer if Obama wins and raises taxes), the European Union collapses, severe downturn in the UK and Ireland, the DOW bounces between 8500 and 9500 for the next 3 quarters, China and Japan are in a world of hurt, oil drops to around $60 a barrel and Chavez gets his in an uprising in Venezuela.

Iran's economy implodes.

An everything still gets blamed on Bush.

Information dissemination (Navy blog; sorry, too tired to find the link) a month or so ago predicted the mullahs would soon need to do something (sink an oil tanker, attack a US Navy ship) to make oil prices spike. I put Putin in the same condition.
Whoever wins the election will have his hands full. shape. ran

re: #162 MandyManners

Carter.

So, there I was...covered in vaseline

re: #169 joecitizen

It's not a sexist joke to say women don't fish?

re: #81 jorline

Oh yes, I saw that and linked it the other night. Great site, thanks.

Did you notice what the futures are doing?

re: #150 MandyManners

Who are "these people"?

Jaysus, Mandy. Sorry to be so unspecific, but where I'm at, I'm SURROUNDED by them. They are sub-30 years of age, were raised by the flippin Mutant Ninja turtles, Teletubbies, Ward Churchills and Bill Ayers. Where I'm at, I'm the loneliest guy at the ball.

"Those" people. And I mean that with all due respect.

re: #161 twincitiesgirl

me either-- it's whether it will be trick or treat?

I just wish time would go faster.

re: #141 MandyManners

He's not gonna' win.

That's the spirit!

re: #163 Lively

Great minds read the Proclaimed One's platform.

I see a whole host of rotating catch-phrases in that second one.

Are we still calling them rotating titles?

OT:

PFLP (Popular Front For Liberation of Palestine) Announces Its Intentions To Murder Avigdor Lieberman.

Although I am against the murder of anyone, and the killing of most people, I really think attacking Avigdor would be a horrible thing for both the Israelis & the Phakestinians. Some of Avigdor's friends are the types of Israelis you don't want to piss off if you are an Arab. This act could have the result of turning the Arab-Israel situation into something unbearable.

re: #169 joecitizen

And fercryingoutloud- all I said was I didn't find it funny.

re: #138 MandyManners

Does drawing SS count?

Yes.

re: #164 Sharmuta

I've never been a McCain fan. I'm willing to give him a chance to bring the republicans back to their reforming Washington ways, but I will be holding the man's feet to the fire.

I've always been a McCain fan, but I'm not as sure as I was in 2000 that he will be a good President. He'll be a decent one, though, and much better than the alternative, as you say.

Is your politician handing you a fish or a pole. The third option, they hand you dynamite and tell you to chose.

No one in this town could register any independents except the One. The Attorney asked him how he did it. The One told the attorney that he would take him registering independents the next day. Once they got to the middle of the city the One took out a stick of dynamite, lit it, and threw it to acorn. After the explosion independents started registering. The One took out a net and started picking up the voters. The Attorney told him that this was illegal. The man took out another stick of dynamite and lit it. He then handed it to the Attorney and said " Shut up and Vote!".

re: #112 David Simon
Libor as reported has been under question now for a while. The rates that the banks actually charge each other and the rates that they report as the Libor have been shown to be different. As far as making money on AIG, it will happen if they get enough from the sale of the subs to pay down the uber-preferred that got issued. If you do your research very, very, very carefully, you may be able to find some preferreds issued by some of their subs that are trading at a substantial discount to par. However, you have to assure yourself that the sub is going to be one of the ones sold and you also have to make sure that the dividend is not deferrable. The last point is not as important as one might think, since the covenants on the preferred shares almost always bar the company from paying a dividend to the shareholders, here the company that bought the sub, while the preferred dividend is unpaid. However, the buying company could play the game of not taking any dividends from its sub for a long, long time and try to build the sub up. Hence, a cumulative, at a minimum, preferred is the way to go. As for the AIG stockholders, they should find someplace to put that brown drippy bag they are holding.

re: #172 Jim in Virginia

Information dissemination (Navy blog; sorry, too tired to find the link) a month or so ago predicted the mullahs would soon need to do something (sink an oil tanker, attack a US Navy ship) to make oil prices spike

Their problem is they can't overcome the dropping demand. It's really plummeting.

re: #165 ArmyWife

I wouldn't consider it as such Though not a fan of the SS system for philosophical reasons, its there and most who are receiving paid into it to begin with, even those getting it for a disability related reason. This is different than welfare. And honestly, there are people on welfare who legitimately need help for a bit. I wish it was handled through other private charities rather than taxes, but so be it. Its those on welfare for the twelvity-fourth time because they just had baby number 5 and aren't quite sure who to go after for child support that I struggle with the most!

Don't most states demand a mother give a list of possible fathers before she gets the aid?

re: #152 arethusa

We all will, the first time a President McCain does something McCain-ish. But I want him to be able to be McCain-ish in the White House at least.

McCain-ish isn't as bad as Obama-ish.

/one you can bitch about and live with, the other if you dare bitch about it you might be re-educated.

re: #139 FrogMarch

Oh my little niave one! I am an Army wife, and a proud one. But just like Superman's Clark Kent, I have an alter ego during the day that might make you change your mind.

/BWAHAHAHAHA

re: #168 arethusa

I have just found the perfect remedy for my irritation at Alan Colmes/random liberal pundits on TV. I stack my cat's catnip mice (she has many) beside me, and throw them at Colmes et al. every time they misrepresent something. And my cat gets some exercise chasing the mouse. Perfect.

Excellent idea! It beats throwing shoes.

re: #179 PETN Sandwich

;)

re: #167 David Simon

[Link: archive.newsmax.com...]

Yeah, the headline's wrong. I wouldn't call these the "dole" or "governmet assistance." Money quote:

Mr. Shilling's analysis found that about 1 in 5 Americans hold a government job or a job reliant on federal spending. A similar number receive Social Security or a government pension. About 19 million others get food stamps, 2 million get subsidized housing, and 5 million get education grants. For all these categories, Mr. Shilling counted dependents as well as the direct recipients of government income.

re: #173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So, there I was...covered in vaseline

ah..college...

re: #176 JohnAdams

Jaysus, Mandy. Sorry to be so unspecific, but where I'm at, I'm SURROUNDED by them. They are sub-30 years of age, were raised by the flippin Mutant Ninja turtles, Teletubbies, Ward Churchills and Bill Ayers. Where I'm at, I'm the loneliest guy at the ball.

"Those" people. And I mean that with all due respect.

Goodness. Consider moving?

re: #175 3 wood

Oh yes, I saw that and linked it the other night. Great site, thanks.

Did you notice what the futures are doing?

No...may follow today...a lot of skeptics out there right now.

What did you think about Monday?

re: #178 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

That's the spirit!

I'm just sickandfuckingtired of all the pissing, bitching and moaning.

The DOW, NASDAQ and S&P 500 futures are all pointing down for the open tomorrow.

re: #183 David Simon

Yes.

Even though it is their money that they paid in the first place?

re: #104 ArmyWife

I have a paypal account. If you simply make your non-tax deductible donations to that, I promise to buy this link and make it one humdinger of a website. Trust me. Go ahead, take out your credit cards.

Is American Express ok?

re: #174 Sharmuta

It's not a sexist joke to say women don't fish?

and, so what? we got bigger fish ta fry,so to speak...

Is your candidate the donkey or the tail with a pin.

Does your candidate hug pugs or tug plugs?

Does your candidate drive the garbage truck or does he just toss stuff in it.

re: #191 MandyManners

Excellent idea! It beats throwing shoes.

I've found that ping-pong balls work very well, even found a gun that shoots 'em.

11/1 redsox nation is going down long live the rays.BOOMER SOONER!

re: #196 jorline

What did you think about Monday?

The market was oversold. Some great stocks are "stupid - cheap" out there. But just as there has been irrational selling, there was irrational buying.

We will continue to see that as long as the VIX stays as high as it is.

re: #101 gmsc

For those who missed the good news from the previous thread:

BREAKING: 6th Circuit reverses on TRO (devastation, humiliation for Jennifer Brunner)

Independent verification of this:

Temporary restraining order reimposed in Ohio voting scandal
Federal court: Ohio must check voter registrations (Warning: AP version)
Judge Rules Against Ohio Elections Official in Battle Over Voter ...

See Google News for more on this story.

That is an amazing case, and a good indication of just how far the left is willing to go in its power-grab. Here we have an elected official, publicly sworn to uphold the law and the constitution, openly and blatantly aiding and abetting fraud for political reasons.

I am expecting real trouble on, and after, election day. Confident of media support, Obamunists will engage in massive fraud and quite possibly open violence in an effort to intimidate opposition voters. Given their record, and the institutionalized hypocricy of their attitude toward all democratic processes, there is no reason they wouldn't.
The courts could very well invalidate the result in Ohio, leading to a showdown and the usual orchestrated efforts at intimidation in the streets.

re: #193 arethusa

That's freakin' insane.

re: #204 jtm371

11/1 redsox nation is going down long live the rays.BOOMER SOONER!

I believe there's a tv in the hotel bar. hmmmm.

OK, let's try this again, if you love horses, feast your eyes...

One incredible horse...

I checked the link, it had better work.

re: #124 joecitizen

lighten up, Francis...

One of the classic lines of all time. niiiice.....and thanks for the quarter.

re: #198 3 wood

The DOW, NASDAQ and S&P 500 futures are all pointing down for the open tomorrow.

As well it should. I'd hate to make up my $17k 2008 loss in just one week.

/

Made back $3,700 yesterday, probably gave some back today.

re: #203 CIA Reject

I've found that ping-pong balls work very well, even found a gun that shoots 'em.

Where did you find it?

re: #197 MandyManners

I'm just sickandfuckingtired of all the pissing, bitching and moaning.

Yeah, no kidding.

Do me a favor and give a *super whack* to any lizard that goes one the "Well, if Romney/Huckabee/Fred was the nominee..."

We get it... McCain was selected for us by cross-overs. Don't cry over it anymore... we have to make it work.

re: #203 CIA Reject

I've found that ping-pong balls work very well, even found a gun that shoots 'em.

I'm gonna' just rely on the MUTE button on my remote.

re: #182 Sharmuta

And fercryingoutloud- all I said was I didn't find it funny.

fer the record,neither did I...kinda lame, but harmless

Do conservatives want to win again someday? Embrace Twain, Thoreau, Franklin, Jefferson. These men were individuals who prized self reliance. Wanna save the environment? Embrace Roosevelt, Nuggent and countless other booger-eating-pickup-driving rednecks who hunt and fish. These people love the environment and use it every day. Far more than the Volvo driving progressive douche bags who drive out to look at wilderness once or twice per year. Focus on small government. lower taxes and individualism. Forget about abortions and gay rights. Those are lost causes for the "right". The American spirit is not dead but it's in retirement waiting for somebody to take up the fight.

re: #165 ArmyWife

Though not a fan of the SS system for philosophical reasons, its there and most who are receiving paid into it to begin with, even those getting it for a disability related reason.

Social Security was badly misconcieved (like a lot of large-scale defined benefit pension plans that failed, it was based on faulty assumptions); it's a Ponzi scheme. The early recipients received way more than they ever contributed.

As for it "being there," I wouldn't count on it. Even Pelosi et al only talk of "shoring it up" 'til some future date.

re: #147 jcm

On of my favorite warbirds has retired.

Say goodbye to the MH-53 Pave Low, and hello to the CV-22 Osprey.

I have mixed feelings about it. MH-53s are some awesome aircraft, I wonder if they'll be scraped or sent to the Marines since they'll have CH-53Es for the foreseeable future. The Marines might actually be interested in the birds and their pave low systems. MV-22s are only replacing the CH-46s in the Marines last I heard.

re: #195 MandyManners

Goodness. Consider moving?

The gazillion dollar question. I'm beginning to hate where I live, and yet all the people I treasure are here. Despite the lunatics. And yet aren't the lunatics everywhere now?

re: #213 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Yeah, no kidding.

Do me a favor and give a *super whack* to any lizard that goes one the "Well, if Romney/Huckabee/Fred was the nominee..."

We get it... McCain was selected for us by cross-overs. Don't cry over it anymore... we have to make it work.

My whacker might wear out.

The Obama campaign has condemned the reports of voter registration fraud and has called the charges leveled by the McCain campaign “completely transparent and false.”
Our founding fathers desire to have one citizen,
one vote has almost been destroyed by these traitors.

50 years ago these bastards would have been shot.

re: #201 joecitizen

and, so what? we got bigger fish ta fry,so to speak...

Yeah- because sexism in this country isn't an issue this year. Puh-lease.

re: #214 MandyManners

I'm gonna' just rely on the MUTE button on my remote.

I have a deaf family member, so we always have the closed-captioning on. No escape.

Former Iran official gets 3 years for LA crime

A former Iranian official has been sentenced in Los Angeles to nearly three years in prison for violating the U.S. trade embargo against that country.

Seyed Mousavi of Diamond Bar also was fined $12,500 and had his U.S. citizenship revoked Tuesday in federal court.

Wondering who his associates are.

re: #212 arethusa

Where did you find it?

It was years ago, when I lived in Florida, but I as I recall it was hanging on a rack in a blister pack at either K-mart or Wally World. A 3-shot spring loaded pistol.

/Great fun!

re: #162 MandyManners

Carter.

He's a WITCH! HE TURNED ME INTO A NEWT!

re: #121 MandyManners

I hope people think back to Carter.

People don't need that long a memory. Clinton made hay with Bush and "Read my lips..." then promptly renigged and raised them.

re: #205 3 wood

The market was oversold. Some great stocks are "stupid - cheap" out there. But just as there has been irrational selling, there was irrational buying.

We will continue to see that as long as the VIX stays as high as it is.

Did you notice Iceland...index at 678 and there market was down 2326 point...77% down.

re: #219 JohnAdams

The gazillion dollar question. I'm beginning to hate where I live, and yet all the people I treasure are here. Despite the lunatics. And yet aren't the lunatics everywhere now?

The lunatics around here still will be voting for McCain/Palin.

re: #226 Idle Drifter

I got better...

re: #206 Shiplord Kirel

The WA 04 Gov. race was just a tune up for 08. Lot's of unverified registrations, determination of voter intent and malfeasance at all levels of a (D) controlled county.

Voila!
A stolen election.

re: #188 MandyManners

yes - but if that list is 50 names and they all live at the corner of 5th and State, then what? Or if the State happens to get to the corner just at the right time and none of the prospects flees thinking its a bust, so they conduct a quick swab test, but low and behold, there isn't a match amongst them, then what? The possibilities are endless.

Lets say potential Daddy #49 is the one, but he decides stepping up to the plate is simply too much for him and won't pay, then what? In that case we have a person who I am supporting because the epitome of jerks is something unprintable here. My sympathy is a bit lower for the woman in that case rather than someone who fell in love, married, got pregnant only to discover husband is a weasel, and then Weasel won't pay child support.

re: #223 arethusa

I have a deaf family member, so we always have the closed-captioning on. No escape.

Close your eyes?

re: #220 MandyManners

That sounds dirty... /

re: #146 Archimedes

because they turned around and sold those mortgages in a fraudulent manner.

re: #221 ibmkeyboard

The Obama campaign has condemned the reports of voter registration fraud and has called the charges leveled by the McCain campaign “completely transparent and false.”
Our founding fathers desire to have one citizen,
one vote has almost been destroyed by these traitors.

50 years ago these bastards would have been shot.

Think Hannity was saying earlier (before I started throwing catnip mice at Colmes) that the Obama website had been purged of any positive references to ACORN and The One's associations with them.

Social Security is recoverable. You just have to stop paying for things it was never intended to cover and pay back the money borrowed by Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr and the final death blow dealt by Clinton. Yeah the guy with the surplus, oh sorry it was borrowed on the back of SSA, yeah blows jobs for dentures sure why not.

re: #227 JeremyR

People don't need that long a memory. Clinton made hay with Bush and "Read my lips..." then promptly renigged and raised them.

Even though I did my best to be oblivious during Clinton's administrations, I remember that.

hey FBV
i'm new to the club is that a inside joke?BOOMER SOONER!

re: #216 Killgore Trout

Do conservatives want to win again someday? Embrace Twain, Thoreau, Franklin, Jefferson. These men were individuals who prized self reliance. Wanna save the environment? Embrace Roosevelt, Nuggent and countless other booger-eating-pickup-driving rednecks who hunt and fish. These people love the environment and use it every day. Far more than the Volvo driving progressive douche bags who drive out to look at wilderness once or twice per year. Focus on small government. lower taxes and individualism. Forget about abortions and gay rights. Those are lost causes for the "right". The American spirit is not dead but it's in retirement waiting for somebody to take up the fight.

I LOVE Ted Nugent, and mostly because he is so politically incorrect. But I saw him on HannityColmes and Smithers cut him to pieces pretty easily just by quoting his more outrageous statements back at him. Otherwise, that guy is Sarah Palin with TEETH.

re: #214 MandyManners

I'm gonna' just rely on the MUTE button on my remote.

Yes, the MUTE button on the remote here at Casa Reject gets quite a workout, especially during the news...

Hedge funds may become the new "investment bank".

Hedge funds target corporate lending as banks dry up

NEW YORK (Reuters) - An unprecedented cash crunch is choking the ability of banks to lend and creating an opportunity for hedge funds to launch, or ramp up corporate lending facilities.

Companies that have relied on bank borrowing to grow, or even maintain their business, are turning to hedge funds in a move that some say may signal a broad shift of lending from banks to asset managers.

"I have a very strong belief that the new investment banks will be the absolute return hedge funds and the managers of private equity," said Thomas Priore, Chief Executive at ICP Capital, an investment firm that manages $13 billion in fixed income assets, in New York.

You are going to see a lot of changes to how lending is done in the future.

re: #174 Sharmuta

It's not a sexist joke to say women don't fish?

You REALLY need to lighten up Shar. I told a sexist joke? YES I FRIGGIN DID. oh boo hoo.

jeez, try to have some fun .....and make people laugh with a stupid little double entendre.

/and I'll do it again when the mood strikes me.

/still luv ya shar. hope the feelin's still mutual.

/pours a BIG glass of RED

re: #234 lawhawk

That sounds dirty... /

LOL!

re: #230 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I got better...

Ha ha! I think your line was "A newt?"

re: #186 Shr_Nfr

The last point is not as important as one might think, since the covenants on the preferred shares almost always bar the company from paying a dividend to the shareholders

Just how restrictive are the covenants? Say a company becomes cash flow positive; isn't there a percent that could be returned to the shareholders.

re: #220 MandyManners

My whacker might wear out.

I'll buy you a brand new one... your choice of color and options.

The funniest anti-McCain ad (and the story behind it) you'll see all year:

Video: Precious moppet sells cookies to purchase vicious anti-McCain attack ad

re: #211 Noam Sayin'

As well it should. I'd hate to make up my $17k 2008 loss in just one week.

/

Made back $3,700 yesterday, probably gave some back today.

Keep dollar cost averaging in. This is a buying opportunity that comes along once every 20 to 30 years.

re: #241 CIA Reject

Yes, the MUTE button on the remote here at Casa Reject gets quite a workout, especially during the news...

I try not to watch the news nowadays.

re: #211 Noam Sayin'

As well it should. I'd hate to make up my $17k 2008 loss in just one week.

/

Made back $3,700 yesterday, probably gave some back today.

I made back $18 large yesterday, but am still down $90 Grand since the first of the year. Let it ride.

When it comes to Obama

Hear No Evil. See No Evil. Speak No Evil.

Put your head in the sand.

re: #247 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I'll buy you a brand new one... your choice of color and options.

With shiny brass tacks?!

re: #228 jorline

Did you notice Iceland...index at 678 and there market was down 2326 point...77% down.

Yes, they were allowing leverage rates of 100 to 1 over there. We thought we were bad at 40 to 1.

re: #242 3 wood

Hedge funds may become the new "investment bank".

Hedge funds target corporate lending as banks dry up

You are going to see a lot of changes to how lending is done in the future.

Interesting trivia: The mathematical principle behind hedge funds was developed by Edward O. Thorp, the same person who first popularized card counting for blackjack.

re: #240 JohnAdams

Yes. Make no mistake about it; Ted Nuggent is an idiot; his catch phrases are cliches and he says stuff just for shock value and press coverage. However, if you want a spokesman for the environment he's the man you want (and people like him). Even city dwelling concrete walking men like to fish and hunt. It's part of our genetic makeup and part of our national identity.

re: #222 Sharmuta

Yeah- because sexism in this country isn't an issue this year. Puh-lease.

sexism IS an issue, but I think yer looking for boogeymen in every lame comment..sexism would have been a line like comparing a woman to a fish smell-wise..I respect you,shar and enjoy your passionate comments but this was looking for something wholly negative that just wasn't there..

re: #193 arethusa

I'd have cut the blockquote off at the first sentence; the second at most. Subsidized housing and food stamps are definitely "government dole."