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Open • Sat Nov 1, 2008 at 11:20 pm PDT • Views: 303

The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

Niels Bohr

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1 gmsc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:21:05pm

New thread smell!

2 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:21:14pm

To quote Homer: "Bohring!"

3 gmsc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:22:24pm

re: #2 CyanSnowHawk

To quote Homer: "Bohring!"

Then let's liven things up!

Steam (Peter Gabriel)

4 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:22:26pm

Here's a profound headline: "Gadaffi Pitches Tent In Kremlin Garden"

5 pat  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:22:48pm

A new thread Intelligently Created.

6 pat  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:23:11pm

re: #4 Wyatt Earp

Target

7 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:23:17pm

re: #2 CyanSnowHawk

To quote Homer: "Bohring!"

Homer will vote for Obama this evening. PUKE! Then again, I never watched the show.

8 looking closely  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:23:24pm

If anyone is interested in an old fashioned paper copy, one of the original "Prairie Fire"s just went up on ebay:

[Link: cgi.ebay.com...]

These are pretty hard to find. I hear the last one on Ebay went for $700!

9 capitalist piglet  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:23:43pm

I noticed reading Ace that The Stranger (the alternative Seattle rag) has taken down the Hell Houses piece - here's an update from Dori Monson. Seems they got "death threats" or some such thing, and became concerned for their safety...oh yeah, and they don't want anything to happen to the people whose addresses they listed, either.

[Link: mynorthwest.com...]

10 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:24:20pm

re: #4 Wyatt Earp

Here's a profound headline: "Gadaffi Pitches Tent In Kremlin Garden"

Profoundly disturbing, but that's a great picture of Putin's girlfriend.

11 gmsc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:25:10pm

re: #4 Wyatt Earp

Here's a profound headline: "Gadaffi Pitches Tent In Kremlin Garden"

Speaking of Libya:

Libya pays off $1.5B terror bill

WASHINGTON -- The U.S. state department says Libya has paid $1.5 billion US into a fund to compensate the families of American victims of Libyan-linked terror attacks in the 1980s.

A department spokesman says the payment clears a final hurdle in the full normalization of long-strained ties between Washington and Tripoli. In exchange, the Bush administration will restore the Libyan government's immunity from terror-related lawsuits and dismiss pending compensation cases.

The money will go into a $1.8-billion fund that will pay $1.5 billion in claims for the 1988 Pan Am 103 bombing over Lockerbie, Scotland, and the 1986 bombing of a German disco. Another $300 million will go to Libyan victims of U.S. airstrikes ordered in retaliation for the disco bombing.

12 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:25:14pm

re: #10 CyanSnowHawk

Profoundly disturbing, but that's a great picture of Putin's girlfriend.

Yeah, she's a keeper. Maybe that's why Muammar "pitched a tent?"

13 dekalb  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:25:44pm

I am in Russia now, where I just got back from Mass for All Souls (Nov. 2). The priest brought up how the communists destroyed cemeteries and converted them into parks. This happened all over the former USSR. It makes me think about those who want "change" try to eradicate the past: culture, beliefs, etc.

14 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:26:00pm

re: #9 capitalist piglet

I noticed reading Ace that The Stranger (the alternative Seattle rag) has taken down the Hell Houses piece - here's an update from Dori Monson. Seems they got "death threats" or some such thing, and became concerned for their safety...oh yeah, and they don't want anything to happen to the people whose addresses they listed, either.

[Link: mynorthwest.com...]

I understand they got real nervous when commenters started posting The Strangers staff addresses in the comments.

15 joekowalski247  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:26:08pm

Is this statement a "Profound Truth"?

16 middlecon  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:26:12pm

re: #8 looking closely

If anyone is interested in an old fashioned paper copy, one of the original "Prairie Fire"s just went up on ebay:

[Link: cgi.ebay.com...]

These are pretty hard to find. I hear the last one on Ebay went for $700!

I'm sure thats quite a return on invesment for the seller but I wouldn't pay $1 for that American communist garbage, sure its worth a read but its the same old retread that the left has been putting out there for 30-40 years. No shocking revelations.

17 laZardo  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:26:28pm

re: #5 pat

LGF itself was intelligently designed, but it keeps evolving over time. [=

18 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:26:35pm

re: #14 CyanSnowHawk

I understand they got real nervous when commenters started posting The Strangers staff addresses in the comments.

What's good for the goose is bad for the gander, I suppose.

19 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:28:22pm

re: #18 Wyatt Earp

What's good for the goose is bad for the gander, I suppose.

At least one poster did it here. That thread has quite a few deleted comments.

20 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:29:39pm

11:30PDT. I'm off to watch John on SNL.

Night lizards.

21 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:29:47pm

re: #18 Wyatt Earp

What's good for the goose is bad for the gander, I suppose.

I prefer the chicken or the pork myself.

22 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:30:22pm

Well, looks like this is going to be a quiet thread tonight.

/thinking about going back to help tenderize the trolls.

23 joekowalski247  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:30:44pm

re: #17 laZardo

LGF itself was intelligently designed, but it keeps evolving over time. [=


It was created as a blog, but will evolve into ? a blog?

24 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:31:08pm

re: #22 BlueCanuck

Well, looks like this is going to be a quiet thread tonight.

/thinking about going back to help tenderize the trolls.

Does A1 sauce go well with gamy buttocks?

25 middlecon  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:31:24pm

I posted this earlier in the busy ID thread: From fivethirtyeight.com, which I'm sure some of you discount since the only point of the site is to digest and number crunch polling but this seems reasonable to me:

This is beginning to look like a five-state election. Those states are Virginia, Colorado, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Nevada. Essentially all relevant electoral scenarios involve some combination of these five states.

If McCain is going to pull the upset, he'll have to get the easier swing states like Florida, Indiana, North Carolina and then move on to the 5 mentioned above.

26 YankeeBoy  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:32:35pm

Good morning Lizard insomniacs.

27 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:32:46pm

re: #24 FurryOldGuyJeans

Garlic and sea salt, with a little olive oil. That's for roasting. Or you could make a nice dijon crust.

/darn, making myself hungry now.

28 capitalist piglet  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:32:49pm

re: #14 CyanSnowHawk

I understand they got real nervous when commenters started posting The Strangers staff addresses in the comments.

Well, you know...that would be wrong.

29 srb1976  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:32:58pm

re: #24 FurryOldGuyJeans

Does A1 sauce go well with gamy buttocks?

I would think A1 would help cover some of the gaminess...not positive though

30 gmsc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:33:13pm

I've been watching The Presidents on the History Channel. Even though each president gets only about 10 minutes, it's fun to watch and learn about the people who've held this office.

How many U.S. Presidents can you name in 10 minutes?

31 looking closely  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:33:37pm

re: #16 middlecon

I'm
sure thats quite a return on invesment for the seller but I wouldn't
pay $1 for that American communist garbage, sure its worth a read but
its the same old retread that the left has been putting out there for
30-40 years. No shocking revelations.

I agree, this is more of a financial investment for the seller (and maybe even buyer) than an intellectual one.

Its just a rare book whose price has gone up recently due to historical circumstance.

If you just want to read it, I know where you can get a copy for free.

I just saw this bit from the Ebay ad, and its a little disturbing (to say the least):


"Prairie Fire is written to Communist-minded independent organizers".

Remind you of anyone in particular?

32 little blessing  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:33:52pm

Can any lizards help me out?

Just spoke to my sister. She registered to vote in CO but when she asked for an absentee ballot (she is currently in NY) she was told her name is not on the register.

What if anything can she do?

33 laZardo  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:34:07pm

re: #23 joekowalski247

It was created as a blog, but will evolve into ? a blog?

It will evolve into the GREATEST ZIONIST CONSPIRACY KNOWN TO MAN.

/dun dun duuunnn~

34 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:34:12pm

re: #27 BlueCanuck

Garlic and sea salt, with a little olive oil. That's for roasting. Or you could make a nice dijon crust.

/darn, making myself hungry now.

I was thinking of doing some grilling myself...nothing like the aroma of open wood-pit BBQing of troll and troll-op gamy buttocks.

35 joekowalski247  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:34:55pm

eye's bluurrig, buttox sore, fingers nummmb... goodnight

36 Randall Gross  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:35:13pm

re: #23 joekowalski247

It was created as a blog, but will evolve into ? a blog?

It was created as a blog but has evolved into a community. That community is now one of the greater intelligences on earth when it works together on a single issue.

37 laZardo  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:35:19pm

re: #35 joekowalski247

Nighty night.

38 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:35:21pm

re: #35 joekowalski247

eye's bluurrig, buttox sore, fingers nummmb... goodnight

PFFFT! wimp! ;)

39 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:35:22pm

Read what this moron Dennis Dodd wrote at CBSsportsline.com after Texas Tech beat Texas last night. The dolt never said he was kidding...This POS should be fired.

It was a dream Texas Tech thought it could never dream. The school's first victory over a No. 1 was the 500th in its history. The field was stormed twice times before the game was officially over. There's probably not a car that will be safe for the marauding hoardes in Lubbock. Turn it over, light it. Hey, it's your night Texas Tech.

[Link: www.sportsline.com...]

40 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:35:26pm

re: #10 CyanSnowHawk

Profoundly disturbing, but that's a great picture of Putin's girlfriend.

Russians and botanicals. It's some kind of obsession.

41 non-lib Nina  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:35:40pm

Satuday Night Live on Saturday Night Open!

42 spynverzyon  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:35:59pm

A bit of mental exercise for the night owls (with a slight correction from the earlier thread):
PJM: Dear Barack Obama: Your Real Marginal Tax Rate for Joe’s Dreams = 93%
Claremont economist/accounting professor Joshua Rosett runs the numbers and dissects Obama's promise not to raise taxes "one cent" for people making less than $250k $200k $150k $120k $70k.

43 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:36:17pm

re: #40 Pawn of the Oppressor

Russians and botanicals. It's some kind of obsession.

Not a bad reason to be obsessed, I do say.

44 gmsc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:36:41pm
45 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:36:47pm

re: #32 little blessing

Can any lizards help me out?

Just spoke to my sister. She registered to vote in CO but when she asked for an absentee ballot (she is currently in NY) she was told her name is not on the register.

What if anything can she do?

Provisional ballot maybe?

46 iceman  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:37:18pm

if you go to google and enter "the stranger" as a search term

the Hell House article is the second hit and when you click on that it redirects you to the drudge report

here it is try it.

[Link: thestranger.com...]


that is funny

47 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:38:22pm

re: #34 FurryOldGuyJeans

I was thinking of doing some grilling myself...nothing like the aroma of open wood-pit BBQing of troll and troll-op gamy buttocks.

Ah, then I recommend that you brine it first.

/helps remove some of the gamieness.

48 middlecon  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:38:22pm

re: #32 little blessing

Can any lizards help me out?

Just spoke to my sister. She registered to vote in CO but when she asked for an absentee ballot (she is currently in NY) she was told her name is not on the register.

What if anything can she do?

I've always heard that most states have 'provisinial ballots' when there is some kind of mixup. I'd look into that. Best of luck.

49 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:39:21pm

re: #43 FurryOldGuyJeans

Not a bad reason to be obsessed, I do say.

No (and good for him, speaking man-to-man), but I see this strange hangup they've developed on Putin's manhood and I have to wonder. Shooting tigers, then adopting tigers, then he picks up a girlfriend half his age... Is this just a subservient press that is proud of their guy, or are they literally trying to lionize him? What's next, an article about how he can drink anyone under the table? Will he go out and fist-fight a bear for fun?

50 sngnsgt  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:39:42pm

Found this @ DU:

Palin as President

51 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:39:56pm

re: #47 BlueCanuck

Ah, then I recommend that you brine it first.

/helps remove some of the gamieness.

52 Rancher  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:40:20pm

Homer Probably will be voting obama on tuesday if he didnt already cast his early/absentee vote when ACORN registered him. Still rusler here but rancher answered a question on talk radio other day. Host asked why people were voting early Rancher said "so when i show up to vote im not told i already have."

53 Randall Gross  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:40:32pm

Time for me to catch some zzz's goodnite all

54 gmsc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:40:35pm

Highest Ranking Hispanic Political Figure in the United States, The Honorable Carlos Gutiérrez, Endorses John McCain

Statement From The Honorable Carlos Gutiérrez

WASHINGTON – The Honorable Carlos Gutiérrez, the highest ranking Hispanic political figure in the United States, issued the following statement about his choice for President, John McCain. As a Latino immigrant who after arriving in the United States worked hard to achieve the American Dream, Gutiérrez asserts that John McCain, and not Barack Obama, is the President that Latinos need in the White House. John McCain proposes to create opportunities to all Americans and preserve the American Dream. In his message, Gutiérrez also urges Latinos to vote.

To listen to the RNC’s new radio ad, please click here.


Script of “The Honorable Carlos Gutierrez—Vote for McCain”

Hello, this is Carlos Gutiérrez on behalf of John McCain.

Hispanics like me came to this country to achieve the American Dream. I left Cuba at a young age because of the political and economic circumstances in my native land.

In the U.S., I have provided my family a future that would have been impossible in Cuba.

Today, during this difficult economic time, I believe that John McCain is the only candidate who will truly work for positive economic growth for our community.

McCain’s opponent has publicly stated his intention to redistribute our earnings. He wants to control our money and punish success.

We, Hispanics, are hardworking individuals and John McCain, who has been fighting for this country since the age of 17, understands that we, and not the government, should decide what’s best for our hard earned paycheck. McCain will create opportunity for advancement, for our children to better afford higher education and will provide more accessible and higher quality health care than opponent, including those with pre-existing conditions.

So please, let’s make a difference by going to the polls. Put your country first by voting for John McCain. He has always been a true friend of our community. Do it for our children and for the preservation of the American Dream.

55 looking closely  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:41:10pm

re: #49 Pawn of the Oppressor

No
(and good for him, speaking man-to-man), but I see this strange hangup
they've developed on Putin's manhood and I have to wonder. Shooting
tigers, then adopting tigers, then he picks up a girlfriend half his
age... Is this just a subservient press that is proud of their guy, or
are they literally trying to lionize him? What's next, an article about
how he can drink anyone under the table? Will he go out and fist-fight
a bear for fun?

I've noticed that as well.
That sort of thing is a gigantic mark of insecurity.
To the point where you start to wonder if he is gay and/or impotent.
(NTTAWWT).

56 Karridine  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:41:31pm

I wanna hear the Animaniacs sing the presidents, but I'm currently downloading episode ONE of "The Day the Universe Changed"

/dang... decisions, decisions!

57 laZardo  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:41:32pm

re: #30 gmsc

3 minutes in and it's clear that the 1800s are not my strong point when it comes to memorization.

The second half is completely filled save for that guy who came between Wilson and Coolidge...please don't spoil it just yet. (;

58 middlecon  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:41:33pm

re: #39 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Read what this moron Dennis Dodd wrote at CBSsportsline.com after Texas Tech beat Texas last night. The dolt never said he was kidding...This POS should be fired.

It was a dream Texas Tech thought it could never dream. The school's first victory over a No. 1 was the 500th in its history. The field was stormed twice times before the game was officially over. There's probably not a car that will be safe for the marauding hoardes in Lubbock. Turn it over, light it. Hey, it's your night Texas Tech.

[Link: www.sportsline.com...]

I really thought Texas Tech was on the verge of a forfeit if they couldn't control the crowd. If that last kickoff would have been ran back, you could actually put part of the blame on the fans, which would have been crazy.

59 Emperor Norton  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:41:43pm

Before you go to bed tonight, be sure to turn your clocks back to 1980.

60 Adina in Judea  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:41:46pm

re: #32 little blessing

Can any lizards help me out?

Just spoke to my sister. She registered to vote in CO but when she asked for an absentee ballot (she is currently in NY) she was told her name is not on the register.

What if anything can she do?

Colorado has an online list of voter registrations that are accessible if you have the person's birthday.

You could see if she's listed there.

Colorado Registered Voter Search

61 Nightwatch  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:41:48pm

Up to me is it?
Glad for the day I am, glad for the rain soft upon my yard, glad for my wife and family.
3 days is it now, Pray and vote. I say to all my lizards of the heart, stand in the voting booth,
take a deep breath, do a GUT CHECK, and vote for the person that will lead AMERICA in the best direction.

God Bless this Greatest Nation!

Nightwatch

62 non-lib Nina  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:43:48pm

re: #59 Emperor Norton

Before you go to bed tonight, be sure to turn your clocks back to 1980.

Wow, then I would be 18 again, Right on.

63 gmsc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:43:54pm

re: #56 Karridine

I wanna hear the Animaniacs sing the presidents, but I'm currently downloading episode ONE of "The Day the Universe Changed"

/dang... decisions, decisions!

The Animaniacs will wait!

Besides, JamesBurkeFan provides those James Burke documentaries that cover so much more about history. I love the zig-zag style in which he presents history. It makes it sound like it's happening today.

64 laZardo  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:44:33pm

re: #61 Nightwatch

Did that about a month ago. >_> Absentee ftw.

/it was McCain, btw, but I'm registered in California. ):

65 little blessing  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:44:55pm

re: #45 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

re: #48 middlecon

re: #60 Adina in Judea

Thank You everyone! I have passed it on.

66 gmsc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:45:41pm

re: #59 Emperor Norton

Before you go to bed tonight, be sure to turn your clocks back to 1980.

That shouldn't be too tough.

67 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:46:45pm

re: #49 Pawn of the Oppressor

The obsession of how virile a leader is, especially a Strong Man, is nothing new.

68 arizona9  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:47:15pm

People, if you missed it, you must see Affleck as Olbermann on SNL. I've avoided SNL like a plague since, well, as a rule, generally. But, I made an exception for a right Olberdouche bashing. Oh, and did they deliver. It's cryingly funny. Hilarious. An instant classic. And, how batshit crazy do you have to be before other liberals start ripping you to shreds? A: Olbermann crazy.

69 rawmuse  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:48:19pm

What's up Lizards? Been out all day, missed all the fun.
Looks like I have lots of reading to catch up on.
Any good news?

70 non-lib Nina  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:48:30pm

re: #68 arizona9

People, if you missed it, you must see Affleck as Olbermann on SNL. I've avoided SNL like a plague since, well, as a rule, generally. But, I made an exception for a right Olberdouche bashing. Oh, and did they deliver. It's cryingly funny. Hilarious. An instant classic. And, how batshit crazy do you have to be before other liberals start ripping you to shreds? A: Olbermann crazy.

I am watching SNL right now

71 Nightwatch  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:48:42pm

re: #64 laZardo

Thank-you,

I hope my son who is on his 4th tour in IRAQ gets his vote counted on this most historic election, seems only fair and AMERICAN!

72 laZardo  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:48:57pm

re: #30 gmsc

34 out of 43.

/I was able to name all 50 states within three minutes though...

73 rawmuse  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:48:58pm

re: #68 arizona9

I got it on right now.
Maybe I will leave it on.

74 Karridine  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:49:19pm

re: #63 gmsc

I loved Knopfler & Taylor's "Sailing to Philadelphia" for precisely that reason, and the dramatization of the making of the first clock-watch that could accurately help navigators (on wind-driven boats) determine their position on the face of the ocean!

First a wooden clock, very accurate but not accurate enough... then more clocks, then the WRATH of the Lunar-astronomers (Lunatics) and more, always more ...

75 rawmuse  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:49:44pm

Oh, it is good...

76 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:49:59pm

re: #72 laZardo

34 out of 43.

/I was able to name all 50 states within three minutes though...

You are better than a lot of Americans in both respects.

77 Nightwatch  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:50:23pm

re: #73 rawmuse


Evening Sir,

Best behavior this night...

78 arizona9  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:50:27pm

Leave it on, trust me. You'll be tempted to turn the channel with the View skit. But, hang in there, it's worth it.

79 gmsc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:50:39pm

re: #69 rawmuse

What's up Lizards? Been out all day, missed all the fun.
Looks like I have lots of reading to catch up on.
Any good news?

Libya's pad it's terrorism bill.

McCain is ahead in Missouri, a state that's given its electoral votes to 25 of the past 26 presidential winners.

80 non-lib Nina  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:50:45pm

re: #75 rawmuse

The QVC Skit was funny. I loved the "Ayers Freshener"

81 rawmuse  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:51:16pm

re: #77 Nightwatch

I thought you gave up! You said you weren't going to darken our towels again...
I even dinged you up for that.

82 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:51:30pm

re: #29 srb1976

I would think A1 would help cover some of the gaminess...not positive though

soak them in milk for 24 hours

83 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:53:03pm

re: #74 Karridine

I loved Knopfler & Taylor's "Sailing to Philadelphia" for precisely that reason, and the dramatization of the making of the first clock-watch that could accurately help navigators (on wind-driven boats) determine their position on the face of the ocean!

First a wooden clock, very accurate but not accurate enough... then more clocks, then the WRATH of the Lunar-astronomers (Lunatics) and more, always more ...

You might find Longitude interesting, then.

84 gmsc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:53:09pm

re: #72 laZardo

34 out of 43.

/I was able to name all 50 states within three minutes though...

Not bad!

I worked on those quizzes until I could name all the presidents, states, state capitals, and countries of the world.

I'm a little weak on Tom Hanks movies, however.
;)

85 rawmuse  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:53:17pm

re: #79 gmsc

That is all good.

86 middlecon  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:54:00pm

So lets talk turkey...what do you think:

A. Obama wins easy
B. Obama wins in a squeaker
C. McCain wins easy
D. McCains wins in a squeaker
E. No idea til Nov. 4

Personally my brain is telling me A but I could see D happening without too many extraordinary things happening.

87 gmsc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:54:26pm

re: #79 gmsc

Libya's pad it's terrorism bill.

That should be "paid", not "pad". For those who are curious, they didn't pad their bill.

88 srb1976  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:54:55pm

By some quirk of fate it's nearly 2 am and both of the small people are awake...I must have done something wrong in a former life...I appear to be breeding insomniacs

89 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:55:01pm

re: #86 middlecon

So lets talk turkey...what do you think:

A. Obama wins easy
B. Obama wins in a squeaker
C. McCain wins easy
D. McCains wins in a squeaker
E. No idea til Nov. 4

Personally my brain is telling me A but I could see D happening without too many extraordinary things happening.

F. Don't care until Nov. 4th.

90 gmsc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:55:19pm

re: #86 middlecon

So lets talk turkey...what do you think:

A. Obama wins easy
B. Obama wins in a squeaker
C. McCain wins easy
D. McCains wins in a squeaker
E. No idea til Nov. 4

Personally my brain is telling me A but I could see D happening without too many extraordinary things happening.

C or D, with McCain taking the surprising states of Iowa, Maine, and New Hampshire.

91 arizona9  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:55:21pm

re: #86 middlecon

To be honest, it doesn't look good. I've already begun trying to mentally prepare myself for President Smug. It's such a revolting thought but it's come to this...

92 SurferDoc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:55:25pm

re: #86 middlecon

So lets talk turkey...what do you think:

A. Obama wins easy
B. Obama wins in a squeaker
C. McCain wins easy
D. McCains wins in a squeaker
E. No idea til Nov. 4

Personally my brain is telling me A but I could see D happening without too many extraordinary things happening.

D and we owe the PUMAS bigtime!

93 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:55:32pm

re: #32 little blessing

Can any lizards help me out?

Just spoke to my sister. She registered to vote in CO but when she asked for an absentee ballot (she is currently in NY) she was told her name is not on the register.

What if anything can she do?

get a plane ticket?

likely she's screwed. even if they were to mail one on monday, she won't get it and be able to return it in time.

94 capitalist piglet  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:55:56pm

re: #68 arizona9

People, if you missed it, you must see Affleck as Olbermann on SNL. I've avoided SNL like a plague since, well, as a rule, generally. But, I made an exception for a right Olberdouche bashing. Oh, and did they deliver. It's cryingly funny. Hilarious. An instant classic. And, how batshit crazy do you have to be before other liberals start ripping you to shreds? A: Olbermann crazy.

Watching it right now - hilarious!

95 Nightwatch  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:56:37pm

re: #81 rawmuse

Crawling back into the fold, bruised and battered, feel like I got to stand tall for the next 3 days
and be clam, upright and non flame throwing, straight shooting only. All comers welcome.

Thanks for the nod :)

96 pink freud  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:56:43pm

re: #88 srb1976

By some quirk of fate it's nearly 2 am and both of the small people are awake...I must have done something wrong in a former life...I appear to be breeding insomniacs

They're just practicing to be teenagers.

97 laZardo  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:56:47pm

re: #76 FurryOldGuyJeans

It won't matter if Obama gets elected though. So far I can name 146 out of 195 countries in the WORLD.

98 Gus  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:56:48pm

re: #86 middlecon

G. The time change puts the new Generation-Y voters in further disarray of their biological clock that the chances that this new, improved and much touted voting block fails to vote on Tuesday again.

99 non-lib Nina  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:56:59pm

re: #86 middlecon

So lets talk turkey...what do you think:

A. Obama wins easy
B. Obama wins in a squeaker
C. McCain wins easy
D. McCains wins in a squeaker
E. No idea til Nov. 4

Personally my brain is telling me A but I could see D happening without too many extraordinary things happening.

D. It is looking good for McCain

100 rawmuse  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:57:38pm

Miss Precious Perfect. Gotta remember that for my next sock puppet.

101 laZardo  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:58:31pm

re: #71 Nightwatch

Quick check though, I know McCain went to Iraq frequently...but I'm not sure how many times already.

102 srb1976  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:58:52pm

re: #96 pink freud

They're just practicing to be teenagers.

Ack! they're only 1 and 4...I was supposed to have a few years to get ready for that! = )

103 gmsc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:59:23pm

re: #97 laZardo

So far I can name 146 out of 195 countries in the WORLD.

I really slow down when it comes to the "Stans". I can name them all, but I still have to think about them.

104 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:59:29pm

re: #102 srb1976

Ack! they're only 1 and 4...I was supposed to have a few years to get ready for that! = )

You'll never be ready.

/my mom keeps forgetting that I am an adult now. :)

105 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:59:32pm

re: #95 Nightwatch

Crawling back into the fold, bruised and battered, feel like I got to stand tall for the next 3 days
and be clam, upright and non flame throwing, straight shooting only. All comers welcome.

Thanks for the nod :)

That you, Ivar Haglund? ;)

106 Nightwatch  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:00:47pm

re: #101 laZardo


Got me on that one, sure whatever the trips (s) was more than the ONE?

You tell me..

107 pink freud  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:01:12pm

re: #102 srb1976

Ack! they're only 1 and 4...I was supposed to have a few years to get ready for that! = )

START NOW.

(lol!)

108 LeePro  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:01:36pm

re: #82 redc1c4

soak them in milk for 24 hours

Really?

Do you have to... you know... hold them under?

/

109 Adina in Judea  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:01:37pm

re: #68 arizona9

People, if you missed it, you must see Affleck as Olbermann on SNL. I've avoided SNL like a plague since, well, as a rule, generally. But, I made an exception for a right Olberdouche bashing. Oh, and did they deliver. It's cryingly funny. Hilarious. An instant classic. And, how batshit crazy do you have to be before other liberals start ripping you to shreds? A: Olbermann crazy.

"Cryingly funny" is a good way to put it!

It was wonderful to see Olbermann get clobbered like that!

110 laZardo  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:01:38pm

re: #106 Nightwatch

Definitely. I think it's 6 or 7, exact number escapes me.

111 srb1976  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:01:57pm

re: #104 BlueCanuck

You'll never be ready.

/my mom keeps forgetting that I am an adult now. :)

that i can believe...I wasn't ready for 1 and 4. Her Royal Stoutness is heading back to sleep...but little man is having an issue or 5

112 Palandine  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:02:15pm

re: #86 middlecon

D

113 Adina in Judea  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:02:43pm

re: #86 middlecon

D

114 non-lib Nina  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:02:46pm

Afleck as Olbemann- Damn funny! Spot on. So intense and crazy, he even breathes heavy too. Absolutely funny as h*ll.

115 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:02:57pm

re: #108 LeePro

Really?

Do you have to... you know... hold them under?

/

It helps, but it's oh so satisfying. :)

116 looking closely  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:03:14pm

re: #86 middlecon

So lets talk turkey...what do you think:

A. Obama wins easy
B. Obama wins in a squeaker
C. McCain wins easy
D. McCains wins in a squeaker
E. No idea til Nov. 4

Personally my brain is telling me A but I could see D happening without too many extraordinary things happening.

Its D.

Second choice (and I hate to admit it) would be B.

Either way, it will be close.

Despite the polls, this isn't going to be an Obama blowout. . .NO WAY.

117 Emperor Norton  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:03:20pm

C. McCain wins easy. This year the presidential election falls on a November 4th for the first time since 1980. November 4, 1980 was a glorious election night.

118 gmsc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:03:38pm

re: #102 srb1976

Ack! they're only 1 and 4...I was supposed to have a few years to get ready for that! = )

There's a new ad out where a cute little 8 year old comes into the living room where her dad is watching TV. She asks, "Daddy, can I borrow the car?"

The dad is confused as to why his 8 year old daughter is asking to borrow the car, and he looks at her, then the car keys, then back at his daughter. Curious as to what's going on, he finally says, "Sure . . ."

She bends down, out of frame, to pick up the keys, and when she comes back up, she's a 16-year-old young woman (she's still in similar clothes), who says, "Thanks, daddy!"

The dad gets a worried look on his face.

119 SurferDoc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:03:41pm

re: #114 non-lib Nina

Afleck as Olbemann- Damn funny! Spot on. So intense and crazy, he even breathes heavy too. Absolutely funny as h*ll.

Affleck takes a lot of abuse but the guy can act more than a little.

120 pink freud  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:04:24pm

re: #116 looking closely

Its D.

Second choice (and I hate to admit it) would be B.

Either way, it will be close.

Despite the polls, this isn't going to be an Obama blowout. . .NO WAY.

I have to go with C. It's what my gut has told me for months.

121 little blessing  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:05:09pm

re: #93 redc1c4

Well in that case, there goes a McCain vote.

Worst thing is that she is not showing up on CO register either. Yet, she is adamant that she enrolled.

122 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:05:16pm

re: #104 BlueCanuck

You'll never be ready.

/my mom keeps forgetting that I am an adult now. :)

she prolly reads all your posts here... who can blame her?

/white smoke

123 laZardo  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:05:17pm

re: #103 gmsc

Time's up, 159/195. I can't believe I missed Singapore. =_=

124 gmsc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:05:18pm

re: #117 Emperor Norton

C. McCain wins easy. This year the presidential election falls on a November 4th for the first time since 1980. November 4, 1980 was a glorious election night.

I liked election night 1984 better. You could go to bed earlier. The only shock I got the next morning was that Mondale had actually received some electoral votes.

125 rawmuse  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:05:45pm

Oh, dear, this is not so funny. The fake Sarkozy call to Palin.

126 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:05:57pm

re: #122 redc1c4

she prolly reads all your posts here... who can blame her?

/white smoke

*pouty pout pout* *sulk*

127 non-lib Nina  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:06:08pm

re: #119 SurferDoc

Affleck takes a lot of abuse but the guy can act more than a little.

I enjoyed that more than most of the skits I have seen in the last couple years. I totally agree with capitalist piglet, instant classic!

128 capitalistbaby  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:07:17pm

re: #32 little blessing

Can any lizards help me out?

Just spoke to my sister. She registered to vote in CO but when she asked for an absentee ballot (she is currently in NY) she was told her name is not on the register.

What if anything can she do?

Has she checked if she is registered HERE?

129 non-lib Nina  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:07:22pm

Ben Afleck is wearing a "brown shirt"

130 gmsc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:07:31pm

re: #119 SurferDoc

Affleck takes a lot of abuse but the guy can act more than a little.

131 arizona9  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:07:44pm

re: #114 non-lib Nina

I know! Affleck perfectly captured Olbermann's stroke-like, red faced hysterics. My stomach hurt from laughter. And you just know it kills Olbermann to be eviscerated by a fellow liberal. I'm dying to see it again and didn't record it, damn it. Someone had it on youtube for two seconds before NBC yanked it. I'll have to wait till NBC posts it.

132 capitalist piglet  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:09:20pm

re: #127 non-lib Nina

I enjoyed that more than most of the skits I have seen in the last couple years. I totally agree with capitalist piglet, instant classic!

Ahahahaha...reaction on DU is mixed, but the ones who don't like it: "Keith is not a nut."

ROTFLMAO

133 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:10:02pm

re: #108 LeePro

Really?

Do you have to... you know... hold them under?

/

weight'em down with a rock or two...

i'd normally say "brain them" but that's impossible. %-)

134 little blessing  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:11:16pm

re: #128 capitalistbaby

See #121

135 LeePro  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:11:17pm

re: #118 gmsc

Yeah.
My son is 40, daughter 36.

Still trying to figure out how that happened!

136 gmsc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:11:22pm

re: #119 SurferDoc

Affleck takes a lot of abuse but the guy can act more than a little.

I always like to bet people when they refer to him as an "Academy-Award-Winning Actor" that he's not. Of course, they point out that he got an Oscar for Good Will Hunting, in which he acted.

My response? His academy award was for writing the screenplay. He's an "Academy-Award-Winning Writer", not actor.

137 Adina in Judea  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:11:47pm

re: #131 arizona9

I loved it when he was going through Olbermann's hysterics over an apartment and then said that he, his mother, and Miss Precious Perfect the cat would have to find another place to live. :)

Also, I loved all the dramatic camera changes (even to looking into a camera behind him.)

The fact that this was done during a high ratings show (because of McCain) is wonderful!

138 Karridine  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:11:57pm

re: #83 FurryOldGuyJeans

THATs what I was thinking of, too lazy to page through my books of CDs to find it! Thanks, GaiJin! :D

139 Palandine  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:12:12pm

re: #125 rawmuse

Oh, dear, this is not so funny. The fake Sarkozy call to Palin.

That's not nice. After the French helped us chase Hezbollah out of Lebanon.

/Biden's universe

140 middlecon  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:12:51pm

This one is kind of shocking:

No murders in Miami for a month

I live in a city with a much better reputation (Indianapolis) but there are at least 8-10 murders per month here.

Good for Miami.

141 gmsc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:14:59pm

re: #86 middlecon

So lets talk turkey...what do you think:

A. Obama wins easy
B. Obama wins in a squeaker
C. McCain wins easy
D. McCains wins in a squeaker
E. No idea til Nov. 4

Personally my brain is telling me A but I could see D happening without too many extraordinary things happening.

C or D, with Gary Trudeau winding up looking stupid . . . er.

142 SurferDoc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:15:32pm

re: #136 gmsc

I always like to bet people when they refer to him as an "Academy-Award-Winning Actor" that he's not. Of course, they point out that he got an Oscar for Good Will Hunting, in which he acted.

My response? His academy award was for writing the screenplay. He's an "Academy-Award-Winning Writer", not actor.

I admire actors to seem to bring their whole game to the job every time. He is one of those.

143 arizona9  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:15:54pm

re: #125 rawmuse

Her staff really needs to be taken out and shot. Jesus. re: #137 Adina in Judea

144 Adina in Judea  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:16:01pm

Speaking of city murder rates...

Chicago had 62 murders in July 2008 alone.

145 non-lib Nina  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:16:43pm

re: #141 gmsc

C or D, with Gary Trudeau winding up looking stupid . . . er.

I can't stand Doonesbury. Horrible 'toon.

146 srb1976  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:17:51pm

Ok...the boy has just declared "No more bed, no more sleepin' all done"...and here I thought he just wasn't feeling good

147 Nightwatch  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:18:15pm

re: #110 laZardo

Iraq is just a part of the whole, granted the MSM simply ignores the monumental victory that our troops have secured for a country that has endured 30 YEARS of a incomplete personality disorder with mother issues dictator who fed his own people through wood chippers to make...A POINT? ... A POINT?.. ABOUT W H A T? Simply that he needed to be dead should have been good enough for U.S. That we in this greatest nation have had to be assaulted by the likes of the code pinkers (TAMPON PLEASE) and all their ilk, over the past 4 years, and now we are presented with the "O"? Please tell me, this isn't a WOODY ALLEN plot line.

148 Palandine  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:19:19pm

re: #141 gmsc

Good Lord. Doonesbury's still in print? ;)

149 middlecon  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:20:14pm

Doonesbury...the original 'leftist media' lol

150 pink freud  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:20:19pm

re: #146 srb1976

Ok...the boy has just declared "No more bed, no more sleepin' all done"...and here I thought he just wasn't feeling good

Yep, you should probably go ahead and start preparing for those teen years now. :-)

151 rawmuse  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:20:28pm

Not so long ago in San Francisco we had 3 murders in one day, a father and 2 sons. It happened very near my house. I heard the shots. The guy that did it was MS13. ICE has been all over now, rounding up the MS13, which of course, has brought out protests by the illegals telling ICE to go home. nice.

152 gmsc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:20:48pm

re: #145 non-lib Nina

I can't stand Doonesbury. Horrible 'toon.

This should make you laugh, then.

153 capitalistbaby  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:21:03pm

re: #134 little blessing

Well in that case, there goes a McCain vote.

Worst thing is that she is not showing up on CO register either. Yet, she is adamant that she enrolled.


Has she called the elections center in her district and yelled at them yet. I did that, they screwed up on mine and when I called they fixed it. Maybe she was one of the people they purged off the registration list? She should call in any case.

154 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:21:50pm

re: #146 srb1976

Ok...the boy has just declared "No more bed, no more sleepin' all done"...and here I thought he just wasn't feeling good

children's benadryl...

155 LeePro  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:22:00pm

re: #131 arizona9

Is this video online somewhere?
Somebody? Anybody?

/need to laugh!

156 srb1976  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:22:31pm

re: #150 pink freud

Yep, you should probably go ahead and start preparing for those teen years now. :-)

Yeah...he's acting like he doesn't feel so hot, but at 4 he's not real clear about what the problem is...no fever and a lot of (mostly fake) "ouchies"
He'll pass out in a second I think

157 Karridine  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:22:53pm

re: #149 middlecon

Doonesbury...the original 'leftist media' lol

THIS will be our equivalent of "Dewey WINS!"

/sweet. Trudeau reeks...

158 laZardo  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:22:56pm

re: #140 middlecon

But...

*puts on cool sunglasses*

...is it good for business?

159 non-lib Nina  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:23:28pm

re: #152 gmsc

This should make you laugh, then.

Wow, Zero is really going all out.

160 Gus  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:23:32pm

re: #151 rawmuse

Mara. 13. The letter "m" being the 13th letter. Someone just before was inquiring about the meaning of a "13" tattoo.

161 LeePro  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:23:36pm

re: #133 redc1c4

weight'em down with a rock or two...

i'd normally say "brain them" but that's impossible. %-)

ROTFLMAO ! ! !

162 looking closely  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:23:49pm

re: #136 gmsc

I
always like to bet people when they refer to him as an
"Academy-Award-Winning Actor" that he's not. Of course, they point out
that he got an Oscar for Good Will Hunting, in which he acted.

My response? His academy award was for writing the screenplay. He's an "Academy-Award-Winning Writer", not actor.


Actually, I think the writing award is really the more meaningful one, though in this particular case, there were pretty significant differences between the script that Damon and Affleck wrote and what ultimately appeared on screen with Good Will Hunting.

I can't say I'm a big fan, but Affleck is still an actor with an Academy Award, so is not wrong to say he's an Academy Award winning actor, even if said award wasn't for acting.

163 gmsc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:24:30pm

re: #158 laZardo

But...

*puts on cool sunglasses*

...is it good for business?

Now, you have to make sure you start that the right way . . .

164 arizona9  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:24:46pm

Also, I loved all the dramatic camera changes (even to looking into a camera behind him.)

That part had me howling! It's funny cause it's true. For people who have never seen Olbermann's show, they must think SNL was exaggerating. But they weren't and they got all the insane details right-the dramatic head turns, the blood vessel exploding red faced ranting. The only thing missing was the orange skin. I'm dying to see it again. Come on SNL, hurry up and post it.

165 little blessing  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:24:54pm

re: #154 redc1c4

NO!

Don't drug the children.

/They'll turn out like red!

166 laZardo  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:25:19pm

re: #160 Gus 802

I thought it was Mara Salvatrucha 13?

/saw it in an old Newsweek...

167 arizona9  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:25:24pm

re: #155 LeePro

I'm looking for it. Can't find it.

168 Gus  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:26:18pm

re: #166 laZardo

Yeah, I simplified it. State has some good PDFs on them but can't find the link. Evil people.

169 SurferDoc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:26:38pm

re: #163 gmsc

Now, you have to make sure you start that the right way . . .

Great stuff!

170 rawmuse  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:26:46pm

re: #160 Gus 802

The kid that was the shooter was 20 years old and got 3 men with head shots, 3 shots in less than 5 seconds, by my hearing. Left a mom all by herself, just like that. The saddest thing.

I have had my fill of that gang. I want a piece of them, for real.

171 srb1976  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:26:58pm

re: #165 little blessing

NO!

Don't drug the children.

/They'll turn out like red!

It's ok, I'm not gonna drug him. No great motives here, just not up for the WWE style wrestling match that would be involved

172 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:27:03pm

re: #165 little blessing

NO!

Don't drug the children.

/They'll turn out like red!

You say that's like a bad thing.

/prefer thousands of children growing up like red than Zero™

173 suboptimal  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:28:06pm

Don't know if it's true, but it sure sounds good.

My favorite part talks about a self-immolating Keith Olberman.

174 little blessing  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:28:50pm

re: #172 BlueCanuck

True.

/If only we knew that those were the effects of Benadryl

175 LeePro  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:29:06pm

re: #141 gmsc

Heh.
My father was an editorial cartoonist at the time of the Dewey—>Truman laugh-fest!

There was actually a paper somewhere — NYT? — that really did that. Had their front page all printed up for the Dewey win!

176 hermeneutics  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:29:16pm

Good Evening. My sleeping pills are not working. Who's awake?

177 traderjoe9  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:29:21pm

re: #144 Adina in Judea

Speaking of city murder rates...

Chicago had 62 murders in July 2008 alone.

Yikes. San Jose gets half that in one year alone.

San Jose is actually considered America's safest city with a population over 500,000. Yay for San Jose!

178 laZardo  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:30:31pm

re: #152 gmsc

Seeing what happens at the end and what it linked to means it could as well be threatening.

179 crazy cat lady  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:30:37pm

Hello all. After lurking for 5 years and being registered for 4, my insomnia has finally overcome my fear of posting...

180 Gus  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:30:58pm

re: #170 rawmuse

Terrible. That one sounds like a trained assassin. I know ICE has been cutting down their numbers including nationwide gang sweeps.

Gang wannabes are bad enough.

181 arizona9  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:31:16pm

Keep checking this link for the clip...

SNL

182 little blessing  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:31:20pm

re: #171 srb1976

I could relate.

Mine are 5 3/4, 3 3/4 and 17 months.

What I would do:

Kiss all ouchies.
Apply 1 bandaid to the worst.
Give a drink of water and tell him to lie down and give the ouchies a rest.

He should be out in 15, unless he napped too long today or something real is bothering him.

183 hermeneutics  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:31:23pm

re: #179 crazy cat lady

Hello all. After lurking for 5 years and being registered for 4, my insomnia has finally overcome my fear of posting...

Well, CCL, it is about time! Tell us a wee bit about yourself. What state?

184 LeePro  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:31:44pm

re: #148 Palandine

Good Lord. Doonesbury's still in print? ;)

Still?

How 'bout more than ever!

*spit*

185 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:31:44pm

re: #177 traderjoe9

Toronto, Canada, gets that number in a bad year.

/want to relocate?

186 Adina in Judea  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:32:00pm

re: #173 suboptimal

Don't know if it's true, but it sure sounds good.

My favorite part talks about a self-immolating Keith Olberman.

This guy says to tape MSNBC so that people can watch them later if McCain wins.

I've been planning on this all week!

If/when McCain wins, I want to watch it all unfold after the fact on MSNBC. :)

187 arizona9  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:32:27pm

Oh for god's sake, now Zogby has Obama up by 5.7. Zogby is useless.

188 SurferDoc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:32:30pm

re: #179 crazy cat lady

Hello all. After lurking for 5 years and being registered for 4, my insomnia has finally overcome my fear of posting...

Hey, jump on in! ...and welcome!

189 shanec99  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:32:43pm

re: #40 Pawn of the Oppressor

Russians and botanicals. It's some kind of obsession.


I think it is a lovely picture

190 laZardo  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:32:51pm

re: #181 arizona9

Dammit, if only Starbucks Philippines would give me a free coffee for that...

191 rawmuse  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:33:00pm

re: #179 crazy cat lady

Hello all. After lurking for 5 years and being registered for 4, my insomnia has finally overcome my fear of posting...

OK, I'll bite. What took you so long?

192 middlecon  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:33:18pm

re: #173 suboptimal

Don't know if it's true, but it sure sounds good.

My favorite part talks about a self-immolating Keith Olberman.

Actually in 2004, there were always whispers that NJ and California might be closer than some thought...didn't quite turn out. Michigan should be pretty close.

This call probably isn't completely crazy but I wouldn't count on McCain turning any blue state red, New Hampshire is the best bet.

193 non-lib Nina  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:34:06pm

re: #173 suboptimal

Don't know if it's true, but it sure sounds good.

My favorite part talks about a self-immolating Keith Olberman.

Wow, that was very entertaining, sure hope it is true. We will see, I am feeling more confident by the hour.

194 arizona9  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:34:40pm

Hello all. After lurking for 5 years and being registered for 4, my insomnia has finally overcome my fear of posting...

Hello, cat lady.

Man, all I can think of is Olbermann's kitty..lol

195 laZardo  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:34:49pm

re: #179 crazy cat lady

MOOOBBBYYY!

/ (;

//welcome out of lurkerhood!

196 srb1976  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:34:51pm

re: #182 little blessing

I could relate.

Mine are 5 3/4, 3 3/4 and 17 months.

What I would do:

Kiss all ouchies.
Apply 1 bandaid to the worst.
Give a drink of water and tell him to lie down and give the ouchies a rest.

He should be out in 15, unless he napped too long today or something real is bothering him.

Since he found the Spiderman band-aids we have instituted the "No blood - no Band-aid" rule... The way he's acting I think it was nightmares...so I'm kinda just letting him chill and reassure himself that it's still all good. He'll be out in a short I think

197 traderjoe9  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:35:02pm

re: #185 BlueCanuck

Toronto, Canada, gets that number in a bad year.

/want to relocate?

Too many liberals in Canada. Sorry.

Besides, San Jose contends with a large number of illegal immigrants. What does Toronto put up with?

198 Gus  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:35:26pm

re: #192 middlecon

Odd you know. Considering that most people in New Jersey hate Corzine. Taxes, Garden State Parkway, his ex-girlfriend (union organizer) shenanigans and then some.

199 crazy cat lady  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:35:42pm

I live in a college town in Wisconsin. It's Obama territory but we have some good conservatives too. I've been having a lively internet debate with some of my moonbat relatives in Chicagoe and boy, it's been a bumpy week!

200 gmsc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:35:52pm

re: #178 laZardo

Seeing what happens at the end and what it linked to means it could as well be threatening.

It's meant for democrats to send to other democrats, so that they're scared into voting (it can be customized with anyone's name). Up until that last sectio, though, you could just as easily send it to a fellow conservative and make them out to be a hero!

201 stuiec  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:36:24pm

re: #91 arizona9

I think that Obama is not nearly far enough ahead in the polls to be confident of a win. I think he has a multiple Bradley effect working against him: not just because of race, but because of the social pressure of his "way cool" media buzz. Lots of people who won't vote for him nevertheless want to be seen as supporting him -- too embarrassing for them to be seen supporting McCain/Palin or simply not supporting the "deluxe brand."

202 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:36:27pm

re: #179 crazy cat lady

Hello all. After lurking for 5 years and being registered for 4, my insomnia has finally overcome my fear of posting...

Well as you know we can be a rather unruly lot, welcome. From out of the shadows and into the light.

203 LeePro  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:36:35pm

re: #152 gmsc

This should make you laugh, then.

WHOA! ! !
Are you aware that that was a MoveOn.org ad?

204 capitalist piglet  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:36:47pm

re: #187 arizona9

Oh for god's sake, now Zogby has Obama up by 5.7. Zogby is useless.

I thought weekend (Saturday/Sunday - not Friday) polling was notoriously inaccurate. When things shift on the weekend, it usually doesn't worry me.

I've also read many times that Obama needs to be up at least ten points to feel fairly secure. He's also spending money in places you wouldn't expect.

I have a feeling we're going to hear the Silent Majority roar on Tuesday. I could, of course, be wrong...but that is my prayer, and I think it could happen.

205 hermeneutics  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:36:52pm

re: #199 crazy cat lady

I live in a college town in Wisconsin. It's Obama territory but we have some good conservatives too. I've been having a lively internet debate with some of my moonbat relatives in Chicagoe and boy, it's been a bumpy week!

Good for you. And how many/type of cats?

206 crazy cat lady  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:37:28pm

re: #191 rawmuse
I'm a chicken! I really don't know... a lot of times by the time I want to say something, someone's already said it.

207 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:37:29pm

re: #197 traderjoe9

Too many liberals in Canada. Sorry.

Besides, San Jose contends with a large number of illegal immigrants. What does Toronto put up with?

Snow and bad traffic?

/well snow in the winter and bad traffic at rush hour. :)

208 gmsc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:37:49pm

re: #203 LeePro

WHOA! ! !
Are you aware that that was a MoveOn.org ad?

Yep - that's why I thought "Gary Trudeau" would be all the funnier to put in the video!

209 SurferDoc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:38:08pm

re: #206 crazy cat lady

I'm a chicken! I really don't know... a lot of times by the time I want to say something, someone's already said it.

That never stops anyone else... ;)

210 MrSnuggles  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:38:30pm

re: #187 arizona9

Oh for god's sake, now Zogby has Obama up by 5.7. Zogby is useless.

He got whacked by all the other pollsters and "corrected" the poll to make it more inline with the rest of them. Their main strategy is still to suppress republican votes, we can only hope it actually results in suppressing the dem vote by making them think its already over. Hopefully those young and dumb college kids will opt for a premature victory party instead of voting.

211 hermeneutics  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:38:42pm

Zogby is nuts. He shifts 12 points in one day -- no way. Halloween and weekend effect combined to give him an extremely low percentage of families with kids.

He was the most unreliable pollster in 2004.

Ignore it.

212 shanec99  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:38:51pm

re: #192 middlecon

Would hate to have anything happen to dumb Keith, geez... wouldnt it add to global stench?... after all, his hot air is the main cause of global warming.

213 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:38:53pm

re: #209 SurferDoc

That never stops anyone else... ;)

Yeah just scroll down and count the GMTA's sometime.

214 crazy cat lady  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:39:39pm

re: #205 hermeneutics

4 cats. 2 grays (one a recent stray we took in) one tortoiseshell and one calico. I tell my husband if he dies first and I get dementia, I'll be one of those old ladies that hoards cats...

215 little blessing  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:39:46pm

re: #196 srb1976

Parent know best.

I like the "no blood-no bandaid" rule.

216 non-lib Nina  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:39:55pm

Just like every year the pollsters are gonna go down in flames.

217 capitalist piglet  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:40:10pm

re: #199 crazy cat lady

I live in a college town in Wisconsin. It's Obama territory but we have some good conservatives too. I've been having a lively internet debate with some of my moonbat relatives in Chicagoe and boy, it's been a bumpy week!

Welcome, cat lady! I'm from Wisconsin originally - nice to meet you.

218 suboptimal  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:40:30pm

re: #192 middlecon

Actually in 2004, there were always whispers that NJ and California might be closer than some thought...didn't quite turn out. Michigan should be pretty close.

This call probably isn't completely crazy but I wouldn't count on McCain turning any blue state red, New Hampshire is the best bet.

Even it's complete BS, the idea of MSNBC falling apart on the air is very appealing.

219 Gus  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:40:50pm

We have cat care tips too. For instance. You can use Obama/Biden signs as a litter box place holder or a kitty liter underlayment.

220 crazy cat lady  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:40:55pm

re: #217 capitalist piglet

You too. It feels very strange to be posting. I've never done this before.

221 hermeneutics  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:41:04pm

re: #214 crazy cat lady

4 cats. 2 grays (one a recent stray we took in) one tortoiseshell and one calico. I tell my husband if he dies first and I get dementia, I'll be one of those old ladies that hoards cats...

I've got three cats, all strays: grey long hair that weighs 22 pounds, little grey short hair, little calico.

Right now, they're my solace.

222 srb1976  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:41:20pm

re: #215 little blessing

Parent know best.

I like the "no blood-no bandaid" rule.

it's a hold-over from when I was a kid, I was a fan of band-aids. After going through a whole box in a week, Dad put his foot down

223 crazy cat lady  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:41:39pm

re: #219 Gus 802
I like that idea! There are plenty of Obama signs to be had here.

224 Gus  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:42:16pm

re: #223 crazy cat lady

In that case you can open up a cat rescue. ;-)

225 capitalist piglet  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:42:47pm

re: #220 crazy cat lady

You too. It feels very strange to be posting. I've never done this before.

Well, don't be shy! We could use more cheeseheads. (Are you a Packer fan? I'm rabid. R-A-B-I-D.)

226 crazy cat lady  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:42:51pm

re: #221 hermeneutics
I know what you mean. They really are great companions (most of the time)

227 laZardo  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:42:53pm

Brb, gonna help my dad crowbar some termite-infested sideboard.

228 traderjoe9  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:43:01pm

re: #207 BlueCanuck

Snow and bad traffic?

/well snow in the winter and bad traffic at rush hour. :)

Exactly. We have sunshine year-round (except today). Another reason to move to San Jose. Lowest crime rate in the country, and the best weather on the continent! Also have the Sharks and Giants nearby...woohoo!

229 hermeneutics  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:43:13pm

Have you ever heard of a crazy old MAN hoarding cats? Or, is it a girl thing.

230 suboptimal  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:43:33pm

re: #186 Adina in Judea

This guy says to tape MSNBC so that people can watch them later if McCain wins.

I've been planning on this all week!

If/when McCain wins, I want to watch it all unfold after the fact on MSNBC. :)

I'll only tune in if it's recommended by some fellow lizards. Otherwise, I'll be mocking the people on "The Biggest Loser", who should start going under my weight this week. Yeah, I know, but optimal likes it.

231 shanec99  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:43:57pm

re: #223 crazy cat lady

I like that idea! There are plenty of Obama signs to be had here.

Why would you want something promoting an Obama administration in your house?
I would rather the cat poop all over the floor than have such an Obamination defile my home.

232 crazy cat lady  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:44:04pm

re: #225 capitalist piglet
Absolutely! And I grew up during the bad years. My son has no idea what it's like. He only remembers the Favre years.

233 Karridine  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:44:26pm

re: #193 non-lib Nina

Oh, YES! Its coming down, Nina!

California = Obama 44, McCain 43, rest Undecided!

Think of it! McCain winning California! Bwahahaha!

234 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:44:35pm

re: #229 hermeneutics

Have you ever heard of a crazy old MAN hoarding cats? Or, is it a girl thing.

Crazy old men only hoard things and junk. Don't ask me why.

235 capitalistbaby  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:44:40pm

How come everyone is awake and doing things like crowbaring termite infested sideboard so late in the evening?

236 hermeneutics  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:45:04pm

re: #233 Karridine

Oh, YES! Its coming down, Nina!

California = Obama 44, McCain 43, rest Undecided!

Think of it! McCain winning California! Bwahahaha!

Karridine! It is so good to see your name.

237 traderjoe9  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:45:21pm

Any PS3/COD whores out there?

238 Gus  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:45:53pm

re: #229 hermeneutics

My father and brother take their cat ownership pretty seriously. My dad would complain at first about taking in cats but he ended up being "more guilty" of taking in the strays.

239 LeePro  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:45:54pm

re: #181 arizona9

Keep checking this link for the clip...

SNL

Thanks!

240 gmsc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:45:55pm

re: #233 Karridine

Oh, YES! Its coming down, Nina!

California = Obama 44, McCain 43, rest Undecided!

Think of it! McCain winning California! Bwahahaha!

I've pondered over that possibility. If it actually happened, that would be one of the great electoral shocks in history!

241 hermeneutics  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:46:05pm

re: #237 traderjoe9

Any PS3/COD whores out there?

What the heck is that?

242 shanec99  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:46:13pm

re: #235 capitalistbaby

How come everyone is awake and doing things like crowbaring termite infested sideboard so late in the evening?

Because if we were not we would wondering if the nation has gone mad.

243 gmsc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:46:37pm

re: #235 capitalistbaby

How come everyone is awake and doing things like crowbaring termite infested sideboard so late in the evening?

All the termites are asleep - they won't know what hit them!
;)

244 gmsc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:46:53pm

re: #242 shanec99

Because if we were not we would wondering if the nation has gone mad.

That works, too.

245 suboptimal  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:47:24pm

re: #234 BlueCanuck

Crazy old men only hoard things and junk. Don't ask me why.

It's not junk, these were fine examples of bleeding edge technology in their day.

Not that I'm feeling defensive or anything.

246 middlecon  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:47:30pm

In order for McCain to win California he would need like half a million more votes than Bush got in 04. Most polls have Obama up by 20 points. Its not happenin' lol

247 non-lib Nina  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:47:31pm

re: #233 Karridine

Oh, YES! Its coming down, Nina!

That would be awesome. I was born in Cali and my moonbat relatives live in the Bay area. If Zero loses, wow that would be the best Christmas present ever. Not that I would gloat or anything. ;)

California = Obama 44, McCain 43, rest Undecided!

Think of it! McCain winning California! Bwahahaha!

248 gmsc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:47:47pm

re: #241 hermeneutics

What the heck is that?

PS3 is a handheld game system. COD is a piece of clothing that covers a man's genitals . . .

249 little blessing  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:47:59pm

re: #235 capitalistbaby

Not all of us are in the US of A!

250 hermeneutics  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:48:23pm

Karridine -- McCain won't take CA, but he may take PA and that's good enough.

RCP map is a joke. Mac easily takes the South including Virginia (though VA is close.) If he takes PA, he easily takes OH.

251 suboptimal  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:48:24pm

re: #235 capitalistbaby

How come everyone is awake and doing things like crowbaring termite infested sideboard so late in the evening?

Think "worldwide audience".

252 Karridine  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:48:39pm

re: #236 hermeneutics

Well, howja dew, Hermy! You feeling better? Fever down a bit?

253 gmsc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:48:40pm

re: #246 middlecon

In order for McCain to win California he would need like half a million more votes than Bush got in 04. Most polls have Obama up by 20 points. Its not happenin' lol

Nobody said it would happen. We're having fun thinking about it. That's all.
:)

254 crazy cat lady  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:48:48pm

It's nice to have someplace to come to discuss these things. Living where I do, it's easy to get discouraged and think there is no hope. I saw some comments earlier today from people who are volunteering for McCain and it really gave me a boost.

255 non-lib Nina  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:49:11pm

re: #253 gmsc

Nobody said it would happen. We're having fun thinking about it. That's all.
:)

I like to call it California Dreamin'

256 capitalistbaby  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:49:36pm

re: #249 little blessing

Ah, forgot about the out of country-ers

257 traderjoe9  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:49:50pm

re: #241 hermeneutics

What the heck is that?

PS3 is a game system. COD (Call of Duty) is perhaps the greatest game ever created.

258 laZardo  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:50:08pm

re: #233 Karridine

If that happened, I'll actually be happy inside for once knowing my absentee ballot didn't go to waste. BWAHAHAHA.

259 rawmuse  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:50:11pm

re: #214 crazy cat lady

OK I have a cat care question. I have one seven year old female cat and she lets me trim her claws with a trimmer. But I neglected my duties for a bit, and I just looked at her right "thumb" claw today, and it has grown in to a circle back in on itself, like an ingrown toe nail would. I tried to trim it and the trimmer won't get a purchase on it. Do you think I need to bring her to a vet for that? She does not seem to be limping or anything.

260 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:50:23pm

re: #256 capitalistbaby

Ah, forgot about the out of country-ers

Yeah, Lazardo is in the Philipines where its still daylight.

261 looking closely  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:50:51pm

re: #248 gmsc

PS3 is a handheld game system. COD is a piece of clothing that covers a man's genitals . . .

Its "Call of Duty" a popular first-person combat simulator game that I believe can be played on line.

262 srb1976  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:51:15pm

re: #254 crazy cat lady

It's just the opposite where I live, everyone I know, work with, meet in passing or come in contact with is solid for McCain. It looks possible (even likely) that the Dems will lose our districts seat in the house too, but take a peak outside of alabama, and the whole world has gone nuts I think

263 gmsc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:51:21pm

re: #254 crazy cat lady

It's nice to have someplace to come to discuss these things. Living where I do, it's easy to get discouraged and think there is no hope. I saw some comments earlier today from people who are volunteering for McCain and it really gave me a boost.

We're glad we could be of support!

I highly recommend reading Hillbuzz, who won't let you get discouraged about McCain's chances.

Remember, if 0bama is so far ahead, ask yourself, "why isn't he farther ahead?"

264 middlecon  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:51:36pm

I think Virginia really is the key...very reliably red BUT it doesn't take a huge leap of faith to go blue, they did elect Webb after all. Bush won by about 250,000 votes in 04.

I think it will be 'too close to call' for most of the night, then once it gets called either way that is the way the whole election goes.

265 laZardo  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:51:45pm

re: #257 traderjoe9

PIYF. The PSP is the handheld, the PS3 is the console. As for the greatest game ever created IMO...

/back to crowbarring...

266 gmsc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:51:48pm

re: #255 non-lib Nina

I like to call it California Dreamin'

Updinged!

267 traderjoe9  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:52:21pm

re: #261 looking closely

Its "Call of Duty" a popular first-person combat simulator game that I believe can be played on line.

Yessir. Its online feature is what makes it so great.

268 Gus  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:52:38pm

re: #265 laZardo

Watch the bearing points.

269 looking closely  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:52:40pm

re: #248 gmsc

PS3 is a handheld game system. COD is a piece of clothing that covers a man's genitals . . .

And the Playstation 3 isn't handheld (yet) by the way.
Actually, its quite heavy.
Its still probably the best way to get your mitts on a Blu-ray player, if you've got a 1080 tv and the interest for high def movies.

270 crazy cat lady  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:53:04pm

re: #259 rawmuse
I'm not an expert, but I'd probably have a vet take a look, or ask Mama Winger :):) She knows more than I do! (I really have been lurking a long time)

271 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:53:31pm

Ooooh I like the opening lines to this documentary series.

/multi-tasking yet again

272 Gus  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:53:32pm

re: #259 rawmuse

Hey. They have a scratching post?

273 LeePro  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:54:19pm

re: #215 little blessing

Parent know best.

I like the "no blood-no bandaid" rule.

My biggest rule was "no blood, no fever — you're going to school!"

There was a day when that didn't work so well, though. 2nd grader son puked all over desk when his teacher didn't believe him either!

274 crazy cat lady  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:54:50pm

re: #263 gmsc
I have been looking at those Hillary sites, thanks mostly to links I've seen here. I've also recommended them to friends. I've just got a horrible pessimistic streak.

275 rawmuse  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:55:19pm

re: #272 Gus 802

Hey. They have a scratching post?

Yes, several. She has a whole climbing menagerie.

276 traderjoe9  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:55:30pm

re: #269 looking closely

And the Playstation 3 isn't handheld (yet) by the way.
Actually, its quite heavy.
Its still probably the best way to get your mitts on a Blu-ray player, if you've got a 1080 tv and the interest for high def movies.

I think its almost pointless to buy an actual Blu-ray player. Many of them cost more than the PS3, and the PS3 is considered by many to be the best one out there.

277 srb1976  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:56:19pm

Ok, have to do something parental about the Little Man...have a good night everyone.

278 capitalist piglet  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:56:45pm

re: #232 crazy cat lady

Absolutely! And I grew up during the bad years. My son has no idea what it's like. He only remembers the Favre years.

Okay, so you're a bit younger than me! I actually remember the Lombardi years (though I was little). It's pretty weird to think about young Packer fans not really knowing any QB but Favre - did your son take Favre's ultimate departure pretty hard? I sure did, but I guess it's going to be all right after all.

279 suboptimal  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:56:46pm

re: #269 looking closely

And the Playstation 3 isn't handheld (yet) by the way.
Actually, its quite heavy.
Its still probably the best way to get your mitts on a Blu-ray player, if you've got a 1080 tv and the interest for high def movies.

How about a PS3 laptop at 720p?

Not quite a handheld, but getting there.

280 non-lib Nina  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:57:50pm

re: #274 crazy cat lady

I have been looking at those Hillary sites, thanks mostly to links I've seen here. I've also recommended them to friends. I've just got a horrible pessimistic streak.

I don't like Hill at all, but I go to hillbuzz and the hill forum and I do have to say that they are positive that BHO is going down on Tuesday. Internal polls?

281 capitalist piglet  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:57:59pm

re: #274 crazy cat lady

I have been looking at those Hillary sites, thanks mostly to links I've seen here. I've also recommended them to friends. I've just got a horrible pessimistic streak.

Must come from following the post-Lombardi/pre-Holmgren Packers. ; )

282 gmsc  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:58:23pm

re: #261 looking closely

Its "Call of Duty" a popular first-person combat simulator game that I believe can be played on line.

Speaking of video games, does anybody remember "Ghost Recon"? It was in the news not too long ago because, even though the game was released in 2001, the plot involved Russian hardliners invading Georgia in August 2008.

If you'll remember, Russia actually did wind up invading Georgia in August 2008.

283 capitalistbaby  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:58:27pm

I hope you've all seen this Finally, a danceoff, just how this thing needs to be settled.

284 Opilio  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:58:40pm

Did everybody/anybody notice that the timestamps on the comments "fell back" an hour between #105 and #106?

285 non-lib Nina  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:59:53pm

re: #284 Opilio

Did everybody/anybody notice that the timestamps on the comments "fell back" an hour between #105 and #106?

Very observant, I would not have noticed. :)

286 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:00:08am

re: #271 BlueCanuck

Ooooh I like the opening lines to this documentary series.

/multi-tasking yet again

It's been a long time favorite with me!

287 traderjoe9  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:00:12am

re: #265 laZardo

PIYF. The PSP is the handheld, the PS3 is the console. As for the greatest game ever created IMO...

/back to crowbarring...

PIYF?

The best single-player campaign ever is GTA. The best multiplayer game ever is COD4. I can live with that. :-)

288 suboptimal  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:00:35am

re: #284 Opilio

Did everybody/anybody notice that the timestamps on the comments "fell back" an hour between #105 and #106?

Probably just the server self-adjusting for the end of Daylight Savings Time.

289 hermeneutics  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:00:35am

re: #252 Karridine

Well, howja dew, Hermy! You feeling better? Fever down a bit?

Yes, it is under 99, finally. And at night!

Outside the air is cool, Kar, so the door to my bedroom is open. I'm listening to coyotes howl and crickets rub their legs. My clean sheets smell faintly like bleach. And it is dark. So dark. From my window I see the crescent moon against a smattering of stars.

And my sleeping pills are starting to work. Nice.

So in spite of Zogby's outlier poll, and the slight possibility that Obama wins, the world is beautiful.

290 crazy cat lady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:00:35am

Yep, no Lombardi years for me. I was a newborn during the Icebowl. My son handled the retirement pretty well, but he's 21. I'm sure the Pack is going to have a few bumpy moments, but it is time to move forward I guess.

291 Gus  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:00:43am

re: #275 rawmuse

Odd. Usually they should keep their own nail trimmed with those. Is she lethargic or approaching that? Might have to coax her into scratching more perhaps.

If you can afford to have her checked do. You know cats, if they have a problem spot it might have tendency to get worse with age including infections.

Is the post wood or carpet? Wood is better for keeping the nails down.

292 capitalist piglet  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:01:29am

re: #280 non-lib Nina

I don't like Hill at all, but I go to hillbuzz and the hill forum and I do have to say that they are positive that BHO is going down on Tuesday. Internal polls?

I've been visiting those sites, too, just to read - they are never-say-die people, and there are days when I really need to see that. I was never a fan of Hillary Clinton, but a) she WAS robbed - her supporters in Texas have something on YouTube, and they were so shaken up by what Obama supporters did in that state, it was painful (and frightening, actually) to watch, and b) I wish she were the alternative to us losing, instead of Obama - he honestly scares the hell out of me.

293 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:01:40am

re: #284 Opilio

Did everybody/anybody notice that the timestamps on the comments "fell back" an hour between #105 and #106?

It depends on your time zone. Once you get to 2 o'clock, it will jump back to 1 o'clock.

Although, I just now noticed my LGF clock jumping ahead 1 hour, from 12 to 1.

294 redc1c4  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:02:02am

i figured out why CCL didn't post all those years: computer problems


/white smoke!

295 looking closely  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:02:24am

re: #276 traderjoe9

I
think its almost pointless to buy an actual Blu-ray player. Many of
them cost more than the PS3, and the PS3 is considered by many to be
the best one out there.

I can see getting one if you have physical space constraints.

The PS3 unit is bulky, and it won't fit onto the physical space of the usual single stack rack component.

Plus it runs very hot and the cooling fans make it a noisy.

If you want a "normal" remote control (instead of the video game controller) you have to purchase it separately, and since the PS3 remote uses Bluetooth, you can't replace it with an ordinary 'Universal' type remote.

But apart from those limitations, you could look at buying a PS3 as getting a Blu-Ray with a seriously kick-ass gaming system thrown in for free.

Another big boon for the PS3 is that it has its own hard drive, and can play ordinary .mp3 and .avi files. It also has USB ports and can even play movies directly from a USB thumbdrive.

296 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:03:45am

re: #287 traderjoe9

Preview is YOUR friend. It's the 2nd-person PIMF.

297 hermeneutics  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:03:48am

I can't fight it. Good night, Lizards.

And it was good to meet you Crazy Cat Lady. Please post more often!

298 Gus  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:03:52am

re: #292 capitalist piglet

Honestly, yes. I would prefer Hillary Clinton. I still refuse the premature eulogy but if given the choice, yes.

Until then McCain all the way.

299 looking closely  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:04:09am

re: #279 suboptimal

How about a PS3 laptop at 720p?

Not quite a handheld, but getting there.


I saw that before . . .

Measures 17″ x 13.75″ x 3″ (actually thinner than a stock PS3) and weighs 16 pounds!

I'd say it still has a way to go!

300 crazy cat lady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:04:31am

re: #281 capitalist piglet
Could be. Man, my dad used to get so mad during those games! He was usually a pretty laid back guy but he used to swear and yell at the TV every Sunday afternoon.

301 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:04:38am

re: #282 gmsc

Pootie's been playing too many video games. (;

/

302 Opilio  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:05:12am

re: #253 gmsc

Nobody said it would happen. We're having fun thinking about it. That's all.
:)

middlecon's been somewhat of a buzzkill around here lately.

303 LeePro  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:05:25am

OMG! Here it is 2 o'clock... again.

G'nite, Lizardzzz!

304 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:05:50am

re: #303 LeePro

OMG! Here it is 2 o'clock... again.

G'nite, Lizardzzz!

Night {LeePro} weet dreams.

305 capitalist piglet  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:05:54am

re: #290 crazy cat lady

Yep, no Lombardi years for me. I was a newborn during the Icebowl. My son handled the retirement pretty well, but he's 21. I'm sure the Pack is going to have a few bumpy moments, but it is time to move forward I guess.

You sneaked in on a technicality! You can be a Lombardi Brat (rhymes with cat, not cot : ) like me.

I'm sort of thinking tomorrow might be one of those "bumpy moments"...ah well. We'll see.

'Good night, cat lady - 'night Lizard Army. Think good thoughts for Tuesday, and pray if you're so inclined...

306 crazy cat lady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:06:02am

re: #297 hermeneutics

Nice to meet you too. I think one reason I delayed posting so long is that I'm afraid I'll spend way too much time here chatting. I have a feeling that may happen :)

307 redc1c4  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:06:08am

re: #233 Karridine

Oh, YES! Its coming down, Nina!

California = Obama 44, McCain 43, rest Undecided!

Think of it! McCain winning California! Bwahahaha!

my Move.on emails are becoming increasingly frantic...

i just promise to help, taking up a space, and then don't go. %-)

308 rawmuse  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:06:08am

re: #291 Gus 802

It is carpet, with some wood and some sisal.
I'll bring her in. Even if she panics (which she does go in to full scale cat panic mode) it will be good for her.

OK, SNL, the Sad Grandpa bit, no so good.
The Palin prank call, not good either.
On that, the Advil is kicking in, and I am on out for the night.

Nightwatch, GOD BLESS you and your son serving in Iraq, I take back all the hateful thoughts I ever let in to my head. I hope you all live long and prosper.

Later, kids, and thanks for the tips.

309 Clemente  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:06:16am

re: #259 rawmuse

...bring her to a vet for that?

rm, I'm not a cat person, but always treat those you care for to the best - you'll sleep better...

310 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:06:16am

re: #303 LeePro

OMG! Here it is 2 o'clock... again.

G'nite, Lizardzzz!

Good night!

311 LeePro  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:06:47am

re: #304 BlueCanuck

Night {LeePro} weet dreams.

zzz{Blue}zzz

312 JustMyView  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:06:53am

re: #264 middlecon

I think Virginia really is the key...very reliably red BUT it doesn't take a huge leap of faith to go blue, they did elect Webb after all. Bush won by about 250,000 votes in 04.

I think it will be 'too close to call' for most of the night, then once it gets called either way that is the way the whole election goes.

Actually, Virginia is purple. The NoVa suburbs outside DC are increasingly blue, and they are growing. In addition to electing Jim Webb, Virginians have elected Democrats in the last two gubernatorial elections, and they are poised to elect another Democratic senator. Jim Warner, one of those governors, is running 20-30 points ahead of his Republican opponent. It's a complex state w/ a substantial African-American population, many veterans and active duty military, moderates from both parties in the NoVa suburbs, and social conservatives in other parts of the state.

I think it's quite likely that Obama will take the state.

313 middlecon  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:06:56am

re: #302 Opilio

middlecon's been somewhat of a buzzkill around here lately.


I just call em like I see 'em. I have alot of hope that McCain can keep Bush's states and win, I don't think its that far-fetched at all.

314 non-lib Nina  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:07:00am

re: #292 capitalist piglet

I've been visiting those sites, too, just to read - they are never-say-die people, and there are days when I really need to see that. I was never a fan of Hillary Clinton, but a) she WAS robbed - her supporters in Texas have something on YouTube, and they were so shaken up by what Obama supporters did in that state, it was painful (and frightening, actually) to watch, and b) I wish she were the alternative to us losing, instead of Obama - he honestly scares the hell out of me.

Me too. This is my place of solace. My immediate circle of friends and family are mostly conservative, but unlike myself are not as in tune to what is really going on with BHO. They really don't have a clue and no matter what or how much I tell them I don't think they will grasp the seriousness of what would happen where BHO to become POTUS.

315 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:07:40am

re: #307 redc1c4

my Move.on emails are becoming increasingly frantic...

i just promise to help, taking up a space, and then don't go. %-)

The fact that they made that "one vote" video shows their fear, but I'm sure we'd all love to hear any other evidence of their increasingly frantic nature, if you'd care to share.

316 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:07:59am

Great, two eeyores now.

317 middlecon  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:08:22am

re: #312 JustMyView

Actually, Virginia is purple. The NoVa suburbs outside DC are increasingly blue, and they are growing. In addition to electing Jim Webb, Virginians have elected Democrats in the last two gubernatorial elections, and they are poised to elect another Democratic senator. Jim Warner, one of those governors, is running 20-30 points ahead of his Republican opponent. It's a complex state w/ a substantial African-American population, many veterans and active duty military, moderates from both parties in the NoVa suburbs, and social conservatives in other parts of the state.

I think it's quite likely that Obama will take the state.

shocking ;)

318 crazy cat lady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:09:05am

re: #314 non-lib Nina
I'm having that same problem. I keep telling people this is not just a matter of 4 years of a bad president, this is permanent and irreversible damage to this country if Obama gets elected. Even some of my conservative friends glaze over when I talk politics...

319 Opilio  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:09:13am

re: #285 non-lib Nina

Very observant, I would not have noticed. :)

The main reason I noticed is that when I first logged on, the main page said the last comment on this thread had been posted 1 hour ago. And that doesn't happen on the top post at LGF - ever.

320 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:09:27am

Brb again, back to crowbarring.

321 little blessing  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:10:02am

re: #316 BlueCanuck

Well, there is 2 of us!

322 redc1c4  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:11:20am

re: #260 BlueCanuck

Yeah, Lazardo is in the Philipines where its still daylight.

maybe monday night he can tell us who one the election, since it'll be Tuesday there...

323 traderjoe9  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:11:22am

re: #296 laZardo

Ahh. I never thought much of the GTA multiplayer features though. I only really enjoyed stealing helicopters and gunnin people down ;-).

324 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:11:30am

re: #321 little blessing

Well, there is 2 of us!

Clue bats to the fore. Red, prepare the green smoke. We shall not let this blog go undefended.

/firing up BBQ just in case

325 jptmd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:11:31am

Does anyone here believe that the polls are wrong and this race is much tighter once you figure in youth, inexperience, socialism and the "Wilder/Dinkins/Bradley effect"?

326 arizona9  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:12:12am
He got whacked by all the other pollsters and "corrected" the poll to make it more inline with the rest of them. Their main strategy is still to suppress republican votes, we can only hope it actually results in suppressing the dem vote by making them think its already over. Hopefully those young and dumb college kids will opt for a premature victory party instead of voting.

God, I hope so. I really hope so. Let's hope they're all still hung over from the Halloween parties. Sleep in kids, sleep in.

327 Gus  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:12:31am

re: #312 JustMyView

Northern Virginia is voting for Obama because that means more jobs and increased pay for most of Fed workers that live there. Joe McCain was actually right. Northern Virginia is pretty much a lot like Brazil -- the movie.

/Some call it Commie.

328 little blessing  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:12:41am

re: #324 BlueCanuck

Where is Sharmuta? We need the General.

/taking out the cold crownies.

329 middlecon  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:14:35am

re: #325 jptmd

Does anyone here believe that the polls are wrong and this race is much tighter once you figure in youth, inexperience, socialism and the "Wilder/Dinkins/Bradley effect"?

Depends on how 'wrong' you think 'wrong' is. I think state by state there is definitely a chance that McCain can hold on to all of Bush's states. I don't think there is any 04 Bush state that is completely out of the question for McCain, New Mexico would probably be the one but even if he lost that and kept Iowa, he's still wins.

330 traderjoe9  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:14:36am

Anybody read "A Bold Fresh Piece of Humanity"?

331 Picayune  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:14:58am

Indeed! Ya so right! Well, try this, your responsive post to me on a previous thread on The Stranger:
re: #330 CyanSnowHawk

What part of
* Posts that contain phone numbers, street addresses, email addresses or other personal information will also be deleted...
do you not understand?

Seems ole Picayune busted the Strangers into hiding with a dose of their own medicine, just after he posted on LGF (now deleted, thanks to CSH) the addresses of the the staff of the Stranger, under the banner: Turn about is fair play, they can dish it out but they can't take it - pseudo fascist.

And now here's CSH here giving backhanded credit to the one he attacked for "breaking the LGF rules" and putting those Fascist on the run in the first place.

Well, CSH, since my email to CJ and my "here's honor" acknowledgment to you on that thread - you be officially now - BUSTED!

Back in the hole, mole, go elsewhere to drive traffic to your website. The Stranger was insincere, malicious, dubious, and in the end, chicken shit. At least they claimed to be pranksters.

What exactly, differentiates you from them now? Dems have an affinity with hypocrisy more than all others.

332 Karridine  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:15:04am

re: #289 hermeneutics

With that, I bid you fond adieu, and into the arms of Morpheus, sweet Hermy!

Continue yr wellness, m'kay?

333 jptmd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:15:11am

#327 if No does go blue, do you think the west and south can still deliver VA?

334 Gus  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:15:58am

re: #333 jptmd

Yes, I hope so.

335 crazy cat lady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:17:41am

Well its been a nice way to get aquainted, on a nice, quiet thread. Nice to "meet" you all, although I feel like I know some of you already. Now that I've gotten up the courage to join the fray, I'm sure we'll be chatting again... time to join the cats, who serve as great footwarmers :)

336 non-lib Nina  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:19:07am

re: #335 crazy cat lady

Well its been a nice way to get aquainted, on a nice, quiet thread. Nice to "meet" you all, although I feel like I know some of you already. Now that I've gotten up the courage to join the fray, I'm sure we'll be chatting again... time to join the cats, who serve as great footwarmers :)


Night cat lady. My cats are waiting for my on my side of the bed, like usual.

337 jptmd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:19:20am

Re 329

I notice as opposed to the 2004 polls, that the margins are so wide or close depending on the pollster. I am praying that is because alot of ppl are just playing with the pollsters when they call. For example IBD has 22% conservatives say they will vote Obama. While only 3 percent liberal will vote McCain. Do you really think 22% conservatives are jumping to BO?

338 arizona9  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:19:21am
Does anyone here believe that the polls are wrong and this race is much tighter

Some people have offered some reason to be hopeful, but I don't know. I want to be positive, I really do but...it doesn't look good. Oh in response to what someone posted earlier about Bradley effect...I skimmed a piece by a former Bradley staffer who denied there was a Bradley effect-they said that the results were right in line with their polling. Don't know how reliable it is...

339 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:19:26am

re: #335 crazy cat lady

Have a good night with the bed and foot warmers. Don't be a stranger and drop in again.

340 talon_262  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:20:34am

re: #232 crazy cat lady

Absolutely! And I grew up during the bad years. My son has no idea what it's like. He only remembers the Favre years.

Granted, the Farve years were a lot of years...just sayin.

;-P

341 redc1c4  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:21:28am

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342 wtc394  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:21:31am

re: #338 arizona9well if it's not reliable, no link to the statement then stop repeating it. Either keep your gloom/doom to yourself or enter something constructive into the conversation.

343 Picayune  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:22:00am

re: #14 CyanSnowHawk

Overnight Open Thread
Open %P% Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:20:00 pm PDT

The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.

Really!

344 JustMyView  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:22:30am

re: #329 middlecon

Depends on how 'wrong' you think 'wrong' is. I think state by state there is definitely a chance that McCain can hold on to all of Bush's states. I don't think there is any 04 Bush state that is completely out of the question for McCain, New Mexico would probably be the one but even if he lost that and kept Iowa, he's still wins.

All three of the poll aggregator sites (i.e., RCP, Pollster, 538) have Iowa up by about 12 points. The polls could be wrong, but they would have to be wrong by quite a bit for McCain to hold onto that state. The margin is narrower in some of the western states. Of the three Southwestern swing states Nevada is closest, then Colorado, then New Mexico.

345 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:23:24am

re: #344 JustMyView

And when was the last time polls were accurate?

346 jptmd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:23:50am

#338 Bradley was running in a more "progressive" state. Traditional democratic leads have been exaggerated when compared to final numbers. We all remember how Kerry was wining in a "landslide" by exit polls in 2004

347 RTLM  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:24:26am

All polls want to be right.

348 Karridine  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:24:39am

re: #338 arizona9

Which 'Bradley staff' are you talking about? The Bradley effect was isolated and confirmed circa 1978... And its existence today can pretty much only be confirmed or denied AFTER Nov 4...

The Bradley Effect = potential voters not wanting to be PERCEIVED AS or CALLED 'racist', therefore saying one thing to pollsters and doing otherwise in the privacy of the voting booth.

/with all due respect...

349 looking closely  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:25:46am

re: #338 arizona9

Some
people have offered some reason to be hopeful, but I don't know. I want
to be positive, I really do but...it doesn't look good. Oh in response
to what someone posted earlier about Bradley effect...I skimmed a piece
by a former Bradley staffer who denied there was a Bradley effect-they
said that the results were right in line with their polling. Don't know
how reliable it is...


That doesn't discount the Bradley effect, though.

Internal (candidate) polling may be different than external (ie commercial) polling.

350 non-lib Nina  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:25:47am

re: #345 BlueCanuck

And when was the last time polls were accurate?

That's because the pollsters are liberal leaning and want to keep the conservatives at home , to give up if the gap is too wide.

351 JustMyView  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:26:39am

re: #345 BlueCanuck

And when was the last time polls were accurate?

They were pretty accurate in the 2004 presidential election.

352 redc1c4  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:26:53am

re: #345 BlueCanuck

And when was the last first time polls were accurate?

fixed that for ya!

353 looking closely  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:26:56am

re: #346 jptmd

#338 Bradley was running in a more "progressive" state. Traditional
democratic leads have been exaggerated when compared to final numbers.
We all remember how Kerry was wining in a "landslide" by exit polls in
2004

Exit polls (though also inaccurate) are another matter entirely.

354 Karridine  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:27:40am

Amazing how some people come here and rehearse McCain-Failure, avowing all the while that its just the way it is... reality... he just can't win there...

355 redc1c4  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:28:04am

re: #351 JustMyView

They were pretty accurate in the 2004 presidential election.

and that's why John Kerry is President today...

356 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:28:51am

re: #351 JustMyView

I do believe that people were screaming bloody murder that Bush won, and the election was stolen, AGAIN. Seemed that the screamers were going by what the polls were supposedly telling them.

357 Karridine  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:29:22am

re: #355 redc1c4

Ding-DING!

358 looking closely  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:29:53am

re: #351 JustMyView

They were pretty accurate in the 2004 presidential election.

This is true.

But this cycle in particular, there is more reason to think the polling may be skewed than the last one (EG "Bradley effect", etc).

359 Picayune  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:30:37am

re: #338 arizona9

Very reliable! The early voting made the difference in the Bradley election in CA, as many professional pollsters had claimed for oh, about twenty years now. But, hey, if your trying to inject race into the political race while claiming you have not done so, well, there you go!

360 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:31:07am

re: #354 Karridine

Amazing how some people come here and rehearse McCain-Failure, avowing all the while that its just the way it is... reality... he just can't win there...

It's part of the straegy. They're having trouble getting more people to vote for 0bama, so they feel the need to depress McCain voters.

That's OK - the harder they try these stunts, the more I help support McCain!

361 gmsc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:31:59am

Good night, all! I'm going to take advantage of my extra hour of sleep!

362 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:32:50am

Night gmsc, see you next time.

363 middlecon  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:32:55am

re: #344 JustMyView

All three of the poll aggregator sites (i.e., RCP, Pollster, 538) have Iowa up by about 12 points. The polls could be wrong, but they would have to be wrong by quite a bit for McCain to hold onto that state. The margin is narrower in some of the western states. Of the three Southwestern swing states Nevada is closest, then Colorado, then New Mexico.

Iowa and New Mexico are the 2 Bush states that are most in jeopardy. Pennsylvania would be the way around for McCain, very tough test but thats why they vote the votes lol

364 jptmd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:33:00am

I just feel people are scared in this age to say they are not voting Democrat, because no matter whaat the reason, they do not want to be thought of as being racist. The idea that this country would vote a man with a total of 143 days in the senate as president is scary. I own a small business and no matter how I Do the math, when I hit "=" it says your scr---d

365 JustMyView  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:33:12am

re: #355 redc1c4

and that's why John Kerry is President today...

Did you look at the graph at the link I posted? It shows that Bush had a modest lead throughout October. His winning margin was about 2.5%. These are polls that were taken before the election, not exit polls.

366 redc1c4  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:33:45am

Bravo Charlie range control this is red forward:

request you check the stats on the Alpha Zulu niner element and confirm smoke status, over.

/Scouts Out!

367 wtc394  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:34:28am

one of the PUMA sites had a message on it, unknown if it was legit from an obama staffer or not but the content was worth noting. 1 ploy of his campaign was to have many many staffers on at all hrs. crawling through blog after blog, leaving messages like

Some people have offered some reason to be hopeful, but I don't know. I want to be positive, I really do but...it doesn't look good

and then explaining why McCain won't win. So I recommend the gaze for any message containing that message. Gonna see if I can link it.

368 JustMyView  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:34:42am

re: #363 middlecon

Iowa and New Mexico are the 2 Bush states that are most in jeopardy.

Yes, that's what I said. Those are the two Bush states where Obama's margin is highest.

369 nightwatch  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:36:01am

re: #338 Arizona9

Wink;) now ya like to choose a wine with that main course?


OOPS sorry wrong post...damn..."where did I leave that rake?"

370 Gus  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:36:36am

I think JMV basically wants to re: #365 JustMyView

Are you auditioning for muse of the room? Sure your prediction might come true but so can any prognostication. It's not like your taking a risk with your opinion, I can read the same opinion from ABC or MSNBC.

That's what makes you so boring.

371 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:36:40am

re: #365 JustMyView

The polls back then may have been a touch more honest. Now we have ancedotal stories of people lying to pollsters, people refusing to answer, polls heavily weighted to the left, etc., etc.. So why should I give credence to anything you say that's based upon polls?

372 srb1976  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:38:02am

no rest for the wicked I guess...what'd I miss?

373 Karridine  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:38:27am

re: #364 jptmd

I just feel people are scared in this age to say they are not voting Democrat, because no matter whaat the reason, they do not want to be thought of as being racist. The idea that this country would vote a man with a total of 143 days PRESENT, AND SORT OF 'in the senate' as president is scary. I own a small business and no matter how I Do the math, when I hit "=" it says your scr---d


Your math machine doesn't quite tally correctly, JP... with Obama, AMERICA is doomed, transformed, killed as the experiment in freedom of choice, individual responsibility and rational checks-and-balances that its been up to this point!

Little Olde Ladye calls it 'an existential threat'... Obama threatens the EXISTENCE of America, and that ain't no hype, Pal...

374 JustMyView  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:38:39am

re: #371 BlueCanuck

The polls back then may have been a touch more honest. Now we have ancedotal stories of people lying to pollsters, people refusing to answer, polls heavily weighted to the left, etc., etc.. So why should I give credence to anything you say that's based upon polls?

Your choice! Just remember what your position was when we see the results.

375 jptmd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:39:11am

Just curious...does anyone think McCain can pull off the Big three?
I think oh and fl, but know I feel PA might be in reach as well. Thanks to Murtha being in a tight race with William Russell. I think the undecides will break for McCAin in the end. "Better the devil you know..." Besides if you are undecided at this point maybe change scares you.

376 Sylvester_T_Cat  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:39:12am

re: #121 little blessing

Well in that case, there goes a McCain vote.

Worst thing is that she is not showing up on CO register either. Yet, she is adamant that she enrolled.

Maybe not ... can she do one of those same-day registrations, that some states seem to have, and vote right there in New York?

377 Gus  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:39:59am

re: #374 JustMyView

Your choice! Just remember what your position was when we see the results.

Pure posturing.

378 nightwatch  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:40:14am

WAIT A MINUTE!


WHAT HAVE YOU GOT AGAINST POLES?! THE LAST POPE WAS A POLE!

379 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:40:47am

re: #374 JustMyView

And I hope to never hear from you here again. Now please tell me, why do you even bother coming here moaning and bellyaching and getting smacked around? Masochist much?

/there's places that satisfy that need and are more honest then you.

380 wtc394  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:40:59am

Your text to link...
take it for what you will, I believe the writer has a handle on what is going on, maybe not an exact description of what is goin on behind the scenes.

381 Karridine  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:41:12am

re: #371 BlueCanuck

Yesterday, we read online of reports from a pollster (not an official 'report', just one poll-taker's individual experience) that nearly 80% were 'Refuse to respond'...

Which, in itself, skews any poll based on those results... skews terribly, Blue!

382 Gus  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:41:13am

Awaiting more from the contrarian poser.

383 TheMatrix31  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:42:06am

The fact that Obama and McCain are like POLAR opposites really have me wondering how the hell there could be anyone who's undecided.

It's like "Oh, I JUST DONT KNOW whether I'm a gonna vote for a socialist who hangs around with people who hate America or someone who has given his blood, sweat, and tears for this country for 40 years."

Really, people? Should the undecideds know who the hell they are AS PEOPLE by now?

384 redc1c4  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:42:48am

late, tired, and *my* benadryl is kicking in...

enjoy tonight's fruitcup/s and we'll catch ya on the flip flop

hasta y'all...

L8r!

385 little blessing  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:44:15am

Bye, Red!

386 redc1c4  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:44:18am

re: #383 TheMatrix31

The fact that Obama and McCain are like POLAR opposites really have me wondering how the hell there could be anyone who's undecided.

It's like "Oh, I JUST DONT KNOW whether I'm a gonna vote for a socialist who hangs around with people who hate America or someone who has given his blood, sweat, and tears for this country for 40 years."

Really, people? Should the undecideds know who the hell they are AS PEOPLE by now?

too busy wondering who was going to be voted off the island...

387 jptmd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:44:32am

#373 Karridine

Little Olde Ladye calls it 'an existential threat'... Obama threatens the EXISTENCE of America, and that ain't no hype, Pal...
AMEN!

Nothing would please me more then watching the entire MSNBC staff have a major mental breakdown on TV.

Please pass the Haldol to Chris Matthews

388 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:44:51am

re: #384 redc1c4

Night red, just leave your case of smoke in reach. But you know all the players by now anyway.

/keep your powder dry.

389 redc1c4  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:44:52am

re: #385 little blessing

Bye, Red!

no, i'm straight. %-)

/white smoke

390 nightwatch  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:45:35am

re: #383 TheMatrix31

YES they do know, they just will not tell the polls.

WAIT FOR IT, WAIT FOR IT...

391 middlecon  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:45:56am

re: #383 TheMatrix31

The fact that Obama and McCain are like POLAR opposites really have me wondering how the hell there could be anyone who's undecided.

It's like "Oh, I JUST DONT KNOW whether I'm a gonna vote for a socialist who hangs around with people who hate America or someone who has given his blood, sweat, and tears for this country for 40 years."

Devils advocate: Are they really that different they are both going to balloon the defecit by trillions of dollars.

I'm COMPLETELY against raising taxes but if what is Obama goign to raise taxes overall 3%? 5%?

Most people aren't political junkies, or afraid of either candidate.

Both have about 50-55% favorability ratings, so all things being equal they are equally well liked.

Really, people? Should the undecideds know who the hell they are AS PEOPLE by now?

392 Karridine  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:45:57am

re: #383 TheMatrix31

Well, there's a LINK above (#173) from earlier today, reporting that the Undecideds are breaking 4:1 for McCain...

I'm taking THAT to the bank, Matrix...

393 middlecon  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:47:46am

re: #391 middlecon


Woops quotes got messed up but here is my devils advocate take:

Devils advocate: Are they really that different they are both going to balloon the defecit by trillions of dollars.

I'm COMPLETELY against raising taxes but if what is Obama goign to raise taxes overall 3%? 5%?

Most people aren't political junkies, or afraid of either candidate.

Both have about 50-55% favorability ratings, so all things being equal they are equally well liked.

394 nightwatch  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:48:05am

re: #392 Karridine I love the polls...

395 Spirit93  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:48:21am

re: #383 TheMatrix31

The fact that Obama and McCain are like POLAR opposites really have me wondering how the hell there could be anyone who's undecided.

It's like "Oh, I JUST DONT KNOW whether I'm a gonna vote for a socialist who hangs around with people who hate America or someone who has given his blood, sweat, and tears for this country for 40 years."

Really, people? Should the undecideds know who the hell they are AS PEOPLE by now?

Hey, I just want free stuff.
What could possibly go wrong?

396 Karridine  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:48:49am

re: #387 jptmd

"...MSNBC... have a breakdown, live on TV?"

That was part of the radio report in Link #173, above JP...

"Olbermann will douse himself with gasoline and self-immolate on the steps of the White House! (DJ laughs, raucously)"
397 stuiec  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:49:51am

re: #338 arizona9

Some people have offered some reason to be hopeful, but I don't know. I want to be positive, I really do but...it doesn't look good. Oh in response to what someone posted earlier about Bradley effect...I skimmed a piece by a former Bradley staffer who denied there was a Bradley effect-they said that the results were right in line with their polling. Don't know how reliable it is...

It's really simple. If you want to be positive, be positive. There is ZERO upside in being negative or worrying about the outcome between now and the time the polls close on Tuesday -- unless you're one of those people who needs fear to motivate them to take effective action.

Be positive and go help turn out the vote! (Or, if you must be negative, go help turn out the vote just the same, in hopes of averting disaster!)

398 Picayune  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:50:29am

re: #342 wtc394

This time it's: The Communist Stupid!
(a al Carville for Clinton in '92 - "its the economy, stupid").

This will be the supposed "Bradley effect" effect in '08 for the silent majority that sees, hears and seethes at the MSM shills' cover-up, and BHO's double speak.

Chin up, vote for MAC, and just hope that Obama's ACORN efforts don't steal this election.

Suppress the votes! - exactly, all the fraudulent votes. Don't count on the DOJ, their Civil Rights Division that covers this issue is chock full of Lib/Dem lawyers that refuse to lift a finger to halt the abuses of ACORN, etc.. God help us and Mac, and go vote.

399 Karridine  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:50:39am

re: #394 nightwatch

I love the polls...

I hear you! I found one where Ron Pall is rapidly closing the gap...

/ :D

400 jptmd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:50:50am

#391 Middlecon

What if Cap Gains goes to 30% or we decide to time travel to 1979 with 78% taxes, trouble with Iran, unemployment, and home mortgages at 19%?

401 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:53:25am

re: #86 middlecon

So lets talk turkey...what do you think:

A. Obama wins easy
B. Obama wins in a squeaker
C. McCain wins easy
D. McCains wins in a squeaker
E. No idea til Nov. 4

Personally my brain is telling me A but I could see D happening without too many extraordinary things happening.

Go post on kos, You'll be more at home.

402 jptmd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:54:20am

Karridine
Sorry I did not start the whole thread. I do like the gasoline thing better. However, with Olbermann and all that hot air he blows out, do you think his suicide with leave to large a carbon footprint?

403 middlecon  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:56:11am

re: #401 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Go post on kos, You'll be more at home.

I don't see why some people here can't even accept opinions just a little different than the 'status quo'. I just like talking about stuff. I'm a proud McCain voter. Daily Kos makes me puke.

404 nightwatch  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:56:12am

re: #397 stuiec

WE VOTE, this is the best country on the planet because we debate then we VOTE! KISS MY A$$ COMMIES U SO SUCK CAUSE WE VOTE! U HATE US CAUSE WE V O T E !

405 Karridine  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:56:13am

re: #401 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

The way things are shifting in these last 72 hours? I choose answer C, OMD!

McCain wins EASY!

That means, McCain wins by a big enough margin that the Obamanoids CANNOT recount to stolen victory, or challenge or otherwise poison any more than they have!

406 TheMatrix31  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:56:23am

re: #392 Karridine

Well, there's a LINK above (#173) from earlier today, reporting that the Undecideds are breaking 4:1 for McCain...

I'm taking THAT to the bank, Matrix...

I hope you're right. I simply want to know already.

407 YankeeBoy  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:56:28am

re: #86 middlecon

McCain wins easy. I just don't get the impression the blue collar union guys trust the O to run this country. These are the guys that gave Reagan his landslide. I don't think this election will be a landslide but I don't think McCain is going to have a hard time winning...On top of that we have the PUMA's. Never doubt women scorned.

408 capitalistbaby  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:57:06am

From Oct 31, 2004

News from the Votemaster
It was bound to happen and it happened. Today we have more state polls than there are states. There are 54 new polls in 22 states today. Furthermore, the lead has changed in five states, and all five changes favor Kerry. As a result, Kerry has now passed Bush in the electoral college. If today's results are the final results Wednesday morning, John Kerry will be elected as the 44th President of the United States, with 283 votes in the electoral college to George Bush's 246. But don't count on it. Many of Kerry's leads are razor thin. Counting only the strong + weak states, Bush leads 229 to 196, with 113 electoral votes in the tossup category Kerry's leads in the tossup states mean little to nothing. The turnout Tuesday will determine who wins.

409 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:57:08am

re: #403 middlecon

No need to post your eeyore opinions then. We get enough of that from other people.

410 stuiec  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:57:21am

re: #374 JustMyView

Your choice! Just remember what your position was when we see the results.

Why? What prize do you personally win if Obama wins? Will the satisfaction of being able to say, "I told you so," make up for the national disaster of an Obama Administration?

One wonders what benefit accrues to those who insist on pushing a defeatist narrative in the final days of a campaign.

411 nightwatch  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:57:57am

re: #401 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

D...U...D...E...! ?

412 Karridine  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:57:59am

re: #402 jptmd

Nasty. Naughty boy. Shame on you...

/*guilty grinning from the shadows here*

413 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:00:05am

Fruitcup for the confused --->

414 Picayune  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:00:36am

re: #371 BlueCanuck

Yep, in '04 the MSM had Kerry winning big time at 5 PM on 11/4, or don't you guys have any memory working. What a hoot, later that night when they mused with Bush winning the Vote, "but how could our exist polls be wrong?"

Their polling methods were faulty and folks lied to them, and they still don't get it, in their lust for Power!

The only poll that counts is the Vote on 11/4. Now go vote and with confidence.

415 middlecon  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:00:38am

re: #409 BlueCanuck

No need to post your eeyore opinions then. We get enough of that from other people.

I can only be on certain days so this will be my last time to talk about the election and any 'eeyore opinions' :)

416 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:01:22am

re: #403 middlecon

I don't see why some people here can't even accept opinions just a little different than the 'status quo'. I just like talking about stuff. I'm a proud McCain voter. Daily Kos makes me puke.

I can search your previous comments. You're a liar.

417 Karridine  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:01:36am

re: #410 stuiec

One wonders what benefit accrues to those who insist on pushing a defeatist narrative in the final days of a campaign.

Only the benefit outlined by the Disillusioned PUMA who could no longer work for Obama, who said:

"Sowing dissent and defeatism IS THE ONLY STRATEGY Obama has! He CANNOT compete on the facts, so he MUST send his minions to dishearten and demoralize! Obama has NOTHING ELSE!"
418 stuiec  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:02:03am

re: #403 middlecon

I don't see why some people here can't even accept opinions just a little different than the 'status quo'. I just like talking about stuff. I'm a proud McCain voter. Daily Kos makes me puke.

Ask yourself: what useful purpose is served by predicting anything other than a McCain/Palin win right at this moment? At the end of this marathon, it's not time to consider the prospect of failure, but rather time to focus in on the needed actions to achieve victory.

You need to consider that a proud McCain voter should at this time be encouraging other proud McCain voters to get out the vote for McCain, not engaging in mental masturbation about the odds of winning.

419 middlecon  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:02:20am

re: #416 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I can search your previous comments. You're a liar.

Ok search my previous comments where I praised the Daily Kos. Won't find any of those.

420 Karridine  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:02:43am

re: #413 littleoldlady

What? This blog hires the handy capped?

421 stuiec  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:04:05am

re: #417 Karridine

You wouldn't be implying that JustMyView is a moby working for the Obama campaign, would you?

422 jptmd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:04:08am

Praying Karridine is right about McCain wining, I bid you all a goodnight.

423 Picayune  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:04:14am

re: #405 Karridine

Amen!

424 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:04:35am

re: #413 littleoldlady

Fruitcup for the confused --->

Does this mean we get double fruitcup?

/scoops one just in case. :)

425 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:04:37am

re: #420 Karridine

Nu? I've been working here for years!

/LGF - an equal opportunity employer

;-)

426 nightwatch  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:05:11am

re: #409 BlueCanuck


Should have seen the new hardwood floor I laid in less than 4 hours, man modern applications rock compared to the old days of tongue and groove.
Even better than sheet linoleum (lead ladened), now if only I can build that windmill to power my house...

427 RTLM  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:05:12am

re: #413 littleoldlady

Fruitcup for the confused --->

Do we get it twice - ?

(two times)

:)

428 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:05:13am

re: #424 BlueCanuck

YUP! You lucky thing, you!

429 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:05:32am

re: #421 stuiec

You wouldn't be implying that JustMyView is a moby working for the Obama campaign, would you?

Doesn't matter, it's just a moby period.

/and we all know how to deal with mobies right?

430 middlecon  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:05:33am

re: #418 stuiec

Ask yourself: what useful purpose is served by predicting anything other than a McCain/Palin win right at this moment? At the end of this marathon, it's not time to consider the prospect of failure, but rather time to focus in on the needed actions to achieve victory.

You need to consider that a proud McCain voter should at this time be encouraging other proud McCain voters to get out the vote for McCain, not engaging in mental masturbation about the odds of winning.

I am in the minority here of actually putting some credence in the polls. I don't think they are completely crazy, its a bad year to be a Republican, I don't think anyone can deny that. There's alot of reasons to believe that McCain would be behind.

BUT just because he's behind doesn't mean talking about possible outcomes is going to ruin his chances. Anyone who won't go out to vote because of what they read in blog comments is beyond the pale.

431 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:06:30am

Back from crowbarring and recovering from an allergy attack. What'd I miss?

432 JustMyView  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:06:42am

re: #418 stuiec

Ask yourself: what useful purpose is served by predicting anything other than a McCain/Palin win right at this moment? At the end of this marathon, it's not time to consider the prospect of failure, but rather time to focus in on the needed actions to achieve victory.

You need to consider that a proud McCain voter should at this time be encouraging other proud McCain voters to get out the vote for McCain, not engaging in mental masturbation about the odds of winning.

I completely agree that McCain supporters should be doing everything they can to win--voting, encouraging others to vote, making calls, whatever. But that doesn't mean it makes sense to claim that the results of public opinion surveys are fiction.

433 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:06:55am

RTLM! :-)

You're going to make me say "yes" twice, aren't you?

I think there's people around the world who haven't changed their clocks as we have. This batch is for them.

/I expect y'all to catch up by tomorrow...

434 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:06:58am

re: #426 nightwatch

Can't help you there, I am all thumbs.

435 Karridine  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:07:22am

re: #421 stuiec

You wouldn't be implying that JustMyView is a moby working for the Obama campaign, would you?

"Excuse me, we have THIS shoe, Sir, and we'll just slip it on and- OH! It fits? Well, then he might as well wear it, Cinderella fashion, eh?"

/Grain of Salt Department Stuie... :D
"Stoopid is as stoopid does, my mother says."

436 wtc394  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:07:26am

re: #398 Picayune
I think you misread my statement, I was telling eeyore to knock it off.

437 Picayune  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:07:43am

re: #410 stuiec

Our disdain!

438 YankeeBoy  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:09:04am

S**t...I responded to a moby. Thank you sir may I have another.

439 Karridine  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:09:11am

re: #430 middlecon

Sounds fair enough, Middle...

440 traderjoe9  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:09:58am

My clock just went from 1:59 to 1:00. Wowzers.

Good night ya'll. Don't let the lib's bite.

441 nightwatch  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:10:00am

I'll pass on the fruit-cup tonight,

Scotch...ice...a stout glass and quiet beneath the Orange tree, with a brisk rain approaching...yes, that will do just fine...


night to the lizards

442 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:10:20am

Hmmm, fascinating.

443 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:10:58am

re: #440 traderjoe9

re: #441 nightwatch

G'night to the both of you. Sleep well and dream big.

444 Karridine  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:13:45am
But that doesn't mean it makes sense to claim that the results of public opinion surveys are fiction.

We're claiming the results are fiction for other reasons:
1/The tremendous disparity between them (17% vs 1%)
2/The reported existence of up to 80% Refusal to Respond responses, and
3/The Bradley Effect being IN EFFECT as we speak here...

/among other things. THESE, at least, are enough to delegitimize the polls. Period.

445 nightwatch  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:14:29am

re: #434 BlueCanuck

just blowing puff, what I really want is cherry wood in 6 inch planks with mahogany bow-ties to dress it all up.. my dream...my dream

446 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:15:15am

Bob?

447 Picayune  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:16:25am

re: #430 middlecon

Dude, we've have enough of that crap from the MSM and to many others for to long, get it. The polls are used by many to shape opinions, not report them, as in Zogby, with his close relationship to the O.
Mac is closing now, now post positive and go vote, and inform your friends/fam. Got it?

448 Karridine  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:16:49am

re: #442 BlueCanuck

Well, I ran yr linkie, but as feebed-out as his arguments are here, I'm inclined to believe he's NOT an al-Jazeera supporter or regular reader there...

449 Teacake!  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:17:11am

Hey there night owls. If you don't mind I'd like to ask for advise.

Has anyone here experienced getting a cold shoulder from people for no apparent reason? If so, did you ask what was going on and if so, how do you approach people when they are obviously giving the cold shoulder?

I suspect that someone who is hostile toward me, who is very good friends with these 2 others might be spreading rumors or gossip which is totally fabricated. But if they are his friend and no longer will even say hello to me, how would you go about asking what's going on?

450 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:19:18am

re: #448 Karridine

That's not the reason I linked it. I too concur with your assessment. It was what it was responding to. :)

451 JustMyView  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:19:53am

re: #444 Karridine

We're claiming the results are fiction for other reasons:
1/The tremendous disparity between them (17% vs 1%)
2/The reported existence of up to 80% Refusal to Respond responses, and
3/The Bradley Effect being IN EFFECT as we speak here...

/among other things. THESE, at least, are enough to delegitimize the polls. Period.

Right, but some of these claims are fiction. For instance, people who have examined the results of recent elections involving candidates have found no evidence of a Bradley effect. Except for the New Hampshire, Obama did not underperform his poll results in the primaries. He was, in fact, more likely to overperform. As to disparity, I haven't seen the range of results you suggest. The three poll aggregators mentioned above (RCP, 538, Pollster) all have Obama ahead by 6-8 points. As to the 80% refusal rate, if you have a link, I'd be interested in reading about that result.

452 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:20:02am

Teacake: having little paitence for such nonsense, I confront the person and ask what the problem is, then ask where they heard it

453 Karridine  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:20:39am

re: #450 BlueCanuck

Who's Marla Ruzicka?

454 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:20:57am

Can I tell you guys something about polls?

We've been sitting around debating the weights given in the polls - dem vs rep vs ind - and saying they're wrong. This does not matter. The other day someone linked to a (supposed) Obama insider who (supposedly) revealed the current strategy of hyping the polls to demoralize McCain voters. The most important thing that person said was that some pollsters are getting up to an 80% non-response rate.

The polls are designed with small samples that in theory reflect the larger population. NOT THIS TIME. The non-responders (refuse to answer, hang ups, or like me non-phone answerers) are without a doubt heavier weighted to McCain.

The polls are CaCa. IGNORE THEM.

455 wtc394  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:20:59am

re: #449 Teacake!

Hey there night owls. If you don't mind I'd like to ask for advise.

Has anyone here experienced getting a cold shoulder from people for no apparent reason? If so, did you ask what was going on and if so, how do you approach people when they are obviously giving the cold shoulder?

I suspect that someone who is hostile toward me, who is very good friends with these 2 others might be spreading rumors or gossip which is totally fabricated. But if they are his friend and no longer will even say hello to me, how would you go about asking what's going on?

being more blunt than most, I would probably start the conversation off with "hey asshole, wtf is your problem ?" but there may be a better way of saying that.

456 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:21:49am

...which Karridine managed to say in one sentence. ;_)

/need. coffee.

457 Teacake!  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:21:57am

Hi Jewels. in person or is it okay to ask in an email? I tend to be a very shy gal when it comes to uncomfortable situations.

458 Karridine  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:22:00am

re: #453 Karridine

Never mind, Blue... I got it!

459 Picayune  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:22:04am

re: #449 Teacake!

Halitosis? (just joking), don't really know, give it time, it will all come out. I think we're in the same city - the Cresent one.

460 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:23:14am

Curiouser, and Curiouser.

/I am sensing a pattern.

461 Teacake!  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:23:18am

that's funny wtc. that's what I feel like inside. I could say that actually, why are you assholes being such assholes? lol

462 nightwatch  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:23:48am

re: #449 Teacake!


Easy now, thick skin (Scales) is the lizard way. pace yourself, pick your point of entry and dive in HONEST! If u be troll, u not last long. Many are the lizoid army, yet they give fair wind to the honest but block the troll.

463 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:23:55am

sure. I'm not going to be up much longer...bout of insomnia here...but go ahead

464 Karridine  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:24:04am

re: #456 littleoldlady

...which Karridine managed to say in one sentence. ;_)

/need. coffee.

Oh, Sweet Friend, coffee and hugs to you...
We're just glad you're well and HERE! :D

465 Teacake!  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:24:12am

Picayune ! Hey! What neighborhood do you live? !

466 welshgirl  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:24:22am

re: #449 Teacake!


Hot tongue, cold shoulder, huh? Just get up yer courage and ask anybody involved. Keeping quiet will kill you.

467 middlecon  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:24:30am

Doing a google on '80% refuse to take polls', I can see it was mentioned by Rush Limbaugh and on other conservative blogs.

I think its very likely that most people just consider polls the same as telemarketers, but no real link to a news story about the '80%' theory.

468 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:24:56am

re: #458 Karridine

heh heh.

/by there works. . . .

469 wtc394  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:25:36am

re: #461 Teacake!

that's funny wtc. that's what I feel like inside. I could say that actually, why are you assholes being such assholes? lol

perfect, pratice it a bit the let her rip...although putting him/them on the spot in public could work too. In a group, be nice, say hello, start conversation and make them look rude or walk away. Someone will notice and maybe make the situation clearer.

470 Teacake!  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:25:44am

I don't catch your drift exactly Nightwatch. I've been at lgf for several years and I've been known to ask for personal advise on many occasion since people here have really good advise.

471 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:25:58am

re: #467 middlecon

Of course, why should the MSM say that they are getting bad data. Especially since they have shown how deep in the cess pool they are for Zero™

472 Karridine  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:26:05am

re: #460 BlueCanuck

Roger that. 'Pattern' indeed...

473 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:26:31am

re: #467 middlecon

Crunch the numbers yourself. Assume a 50% non response rate, if you think 80% is unreasonable.

At best the race is even.

474 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:27:26am

I mean, at best for Obama. At worst for McCain.

/still.need.coffee.

475 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:28:13am

re: #440 traderjoe9

Night.

476 Teacake!  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:29:28am

welshgirl - it has been very distressful. I know for sure that this fellow moved into my building for nafarious reasons and he managed to come between me and the fellow I was seeing. Its a very long story. But that both his friends who used to be my friends have become so cold toward me, is more than strange and I suspect he is poisoning the well - but they are both so defensive toward him, oh well, i need to just ask WTF is going on. Point blank.

477 Karridine  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:30:00am

re: #474 littleoldlady

I mean, at best for Obama. At worst for McCain.

/still.need.coffee.

Right on the money, Little Olde!
With a 50% Non-Responder value in ANY poll, it would skew the results three ways to Tuesday!

478 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:30:08am

re: #474 littleoldlady

Coffee?

/heh heh heh

479 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:31:36am

Am I too late for the Fall Back version of fruitcup?

480 Picayune  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:32:38am

re: #465 Teacake!

Bucktown baby. The one without cold shoulders or halitosis! Lighten up, some friends aren't worth having, and some that are, are the best. When in Houston, nobody wanted to form close friendships, cause so many moved away so quickly due to jobs, etc.

But that's rarely the case in NOLA. It's a place all its own. And so unique!

481 Teacake!  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:32:47am

Okay, thanks all. Just wanted a little advise and you all seem to agree its best I ask rather than continue to pretend nothing odd is going on.

482 Teacake!  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:33:30am

Bucktown... isn't that near Metairie?

483 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:33:46am

re: #478 BlueCanuck

PERFECT! :-)

484 Karridine  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:34:07am

re: #476 Teacake!

Move on, Teacake.

If they are willing to LISTEN to gossip about you, they are no FRIENDS to you.
Moreover, if they are willing to socially stigmatize you AS IF the gossip were true, THEY ARE NO FRIENDS to you.

Thank God you've seen their hearts, do NOT try to initiate a convincing explanation, just go your own way and enjoy your life with NEW, FRIENDLY friends!

485 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:34:28am

re: #467 middlecon

Doing a google on '80% refuse to take polls', I can see it was mentioned by Rush Limbaugh and on other conservative blogs.

I think its very likely that most people just consider polls the same as telemarketers, but no real link to a news story about the '80%' theory.

IGNORE...

486 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:35:32am

Yeehaa! Texas Tech 39, Texas 33

It was as risky a pass as Graham Harrell has ever thrown. Also the most important.

With the final seconds ticking off and Texas Tech trailing by a point, the Texas Tech quarterback saw Michael Crabtree in double coverage and let it fly. The All-American wide receiver snagged it on the sideline, shook off a defender and ducked into the end zone with one second left.

With that stunning 28-yard touchdown, the No. 6 Red Raiders turned near-heartbreak into a wild victory, 39-33 over No. 1 Texas on Saturday night.

It was Tech's first win ever on a number 1 ranked team and the 500th football victory in the school's history. It was marred by the infantile and moronic behavior of Tech fans who drew not one but two major penalties when they ran onto the field after the final touchdown. There was one second left on the clock and Tech still had to kick off to Texas, giving the Longhorns a final chance. Because of the two fifteen yard penalties, Tech had to kick from its own 7 yard line, against two of the best kick returners in the game. They stopped Texas to end the game on the kickoff but it could have been a disaster.

487 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:35:47am

re: #477 Karridine

I can only hope that the youth vote are not as energized (compared to '00 and '04) as the Obama campaign has made it seem. Unlike crusty old Kerry, Obama is actually an appealing figure to kids my age.

488 welshgirl  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:36:13am

re: #476 Teacake!
I agree, you have to speak up. Life's tough like that. Been there, done that! LOL

489 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:36:18am

re: #467 middlecon

Doing a google on '80% refuse to take polls', I can see it was mentioned by Rush Limbaugh and on other conservative blogs.

I think its very likely that most people just consider polls the same as telemarketers, but no real link to a news story about the '80%' theory.

BTW, your avatar is creepy.

490 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:36:25am

Fenway! :-)

(Can't link to comments for some reason... :-/ ) #413

491 Teacake!  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:37:11am

thanks all, nite!

492 middlecon  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:38:16am

re: #489 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

BTW, your avatar is creepy.

It's a jolly face...how could a jolly face be creepy? lol

493 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:39:04am

re: #486 shiplord kirel

And they had to beat Texas and the refs to win the game. Most of the calls against Texas Tech were brutal.

494 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:39:19am

Lazardo: I tend to difuse the enthusiasum for Obama with the younger set when I remind them that they will be paying for all the asshatery that Obama is pushing

495 RTLM  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:39:20am

According to Alexander Tyler, there are 8 stages in the life of a Democracy.


1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage "

Me thinks we're at #6, teetering on #7.

I'd like to be around for #2 redux.

496 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:39:40am

re: #492 middlecon

Clowns are supposed to have jolly faces painted on...yet that in no way diminishes the creepiness factor.

497 Karridine  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:39:59am
4 – The Bradley Effect. Don’t believe those polls for a second. I just went over our numbers and found that we have next to no chance in the following states: Missouri, Indiana, North Carolina, Florida, New Hampshire and Nevada. Ohio leans heavily to McCain, but is too close to call it for him. Virginia, Pennsylvania, Colorado, New Mexico and Iowa are the true “toss up states”. The only two of these the campaign feels “confident” in are Iowa and New Mexico. The reason for such polling discrepancy is the Bradley Effect, and this is a subject of much discussion in the campaign. In general, we tend to take a -10 point percentage in allowing for this, and are not comfortable until the polls give us a spread well over this mark. This is why we are still campaigning in Virginia and Pennsylvania! This is why Ohio is such a desperate hope for us! What truly bothers this campaign is the fact that some pollsters get up to an 80% “refuse to respond” result. You can’t possibly include these into the polls. The truth is, people are afraid to let people know who they are voting for. The vast majority of these respondents are McCain supporters. Obama is the “hip” choice, and we all know it.

Just ONE of the points elucidated at IsraPundit's place! (emphasis added)

498 Picayune  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:40:25am

re: #482 Teacake!

The best part, on the Lake. Lived in Metairie Club Gardens, and the Garden District, Uptown, prior to Houston, but nothing beats living on the lake - the Briney breezes and soft zephyrs make life here delightful - and ya don't need to take your uzzy w/ you, when taking a walk along the Lake.

499 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:41:46am

re: #497 Karridine

THAT'S where I read it! Thanks! :-)

/good thing some still have brain cells that work... ;-)

500 Picayune  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:43:16am

re: #487 laZardo

FL reports that the youths ain't showing up in the numbers the Dems projected in the early voting.

What's up dudes?

501 JustMyView  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:43:44am

re: #497 Karridine

Just ONE of the points elucidated at IsraPundit's place! (emphasis added)

Elucidated by an anonymous poster who provides no supporting data. Not the most credible source.

502 Karridine  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:43:48am

re: #499 littleoldlady

Put your head back and POUR the coffee over your forehead, let it dribble out your years...

/Good Wake-UP for Brain Cells, Kiddo!

503 arizona9  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:43:58am

Ok here it is! Watch it fast before NBC yanks it

Olbermann gloriously bashed

504 Karridine  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:45:27am

re: #501 JustMyView

Elucidated by an anonymous poster who provides no supporting data. Not the most credible source.

Exactly!
Being a KNOWN OPERATIVE for Hillary AND Obama could be reason enough for not wanting to reveal her true name, especially in light of Joe the Plumber's treatment, but by golly, you're RIGHT.

505 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:45:58am

and now for something completely different...stills from the new Star trek film for 2009

[Link: trekmovie.com...]

506 nonic  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:46:19am

Good morning, people. One of my sons is running the NYC marathon today. So he just drove off now 4:45 am to get to Staten Island to wait to start at 10:00 am. He says it will take him about 4 hours to run the course. Mother tuts and fusses and frets, of course, but he says he's run 26 miles 7 times before. What snacks did he take with him? A not ripe banana and a cut up baked potato.

507 Picayune  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:47:13am

re: #493 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I watched it all, while watching the Hornets go 3-0 at home against the Cavs. TT has got game. They led the entire way. But, the Tulane Green Wave fell to the "Cheating Tigers" in Baton Rouge tonight, maybe next year! TT can do it and so has the GW.

508 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:48:47am

re: #506 nonic

Good morning, people. One of my sons is running the NYC marathon today. So he just drove off now 4:45 am to get to Staten Island to wait to start at 10:00 am. He says it will take him about 4 hours to run the course. Mother tuts and fusses and frets, of course, but he says he's run 26 miles 7 times before. What snacks did he take with him? A not ripe banana and a cut up baked potato.

Actually, 26 miles, 365 yards if I remember correctly. : )

509 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:49:13am

re: #502 Karridine

I'll try that! Meanwhile, can you remember where I read this? ;-)

Florida Dems were thrilled because they got a +17% turnout vs. Reps.

Exit polls showed a 2 point race...

510 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:50:44am

nonic! :-)

Good clean fun, and a (relatively) nice day for it! :-)

I wish him lots of luck!

/the good news is, I'm too old to be jealous... ;-)

511 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:51:04am

re: #500 Picayune

I don't know who suggested this, but I can guess that some of them weren't voting because they think "it's already won."

512 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:51:27am

re: #507 Picayune

I watched it all, while watching the Hornets go 3-0 at home against the Cavs. TT has got game. They led the entire way. But, the Tulane Green Wave fell to the "Cheating Tigers" in Baton Rouge tonight, maybe next year! TT can do it and so has the GW.

OK...: )

513 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:52:05am

heya LOL...beena while

514 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:52:49am

Heh...caught some of that Michigan State/Wisconsin game earlier as well as the 4th quarter of the Minnesota/Northwestern game; not even a Big Ten kind of guy, but I'm glad I did.

Later on in the day I flipped back and forth between the Celtics and Bruins (Thomas excelled in net again and that little bitch Avery got the beatdown that was coming to him) before tuning into that Texas/Texas Tech game...which was one of those all-too-rare matchups that actually lived up to the hype (too bad I was too big of a wuss to plunk some $$$ down on Northwestern, Mich. State or Tex. Tech earlier this week).

Was able to catch most of the final game of the Hockey Night in Canada doubleheader on the NHL network...the poor hapless Kings made it interesting towards the end, but that's about all anyone could say ever since they moved into the Staples Center. After that, I caught some of the Arizona State/Oregon State game (or Dustin Pedroia's alma mater versus Jacoby Ellsbury's alma-mater), which came down to a 2-point conversion with 21 seconds left in regulation.

It was one of those quirky, rare days where every game I seemed to be tuning into was a cliffhanger (except for that Bruins/Stars game- that was pretty much a one-sided beatdown) and even though I was station-hopping, I seemed to be tuning in at just the right time...

515 JustMyView  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:53:06am

re: #504 Karridine

Exactly!
Being a KNOWN OPERATIVE for Hillary AND Obama could be reason enough for not wanting to reveal her true name, especially in light of Joe the Plumber's treatment, but by golly, you're RIGHT.

I see your point, but, still, unless this writer is willing to stand behind what he or she says, this statement doesn't have any more credibility than the rumors about Obama's birth certificate.

516 TheMatrix31  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:53:21am

re: #503 arizona9

Ok here it is! Watch it fast before NBC yanks it

Olbermann gloriously bashed

LMAO!

517 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:53:41am

Jewels! :-)

How're you doing? New job, right?

518 nonic  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:54:30am

So, clothes that the marathoners wear this morning while they're waiting they won't want when they run. And they'll be taking them off in Staten Island and finish running on Central Park South. So the organizers will have bins set up at the Start Line so that the runners can give away those duds to be distributed to the homeless. I think that was a good idea. My son bought a heavy red plaid flannel shirt for the purpose.

519 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:56:03am

Lol

Yes...working as a "account manager" for NELNet. prettmuch when accounts have been screwed up...they give it to me to fix

520 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:58:55am

re: #515 JustMyView

I see your point, but, still, unless this writer is willing to stand behind what he or she says, this statement doesn't have any more credibility than the rumors about Obama's birth certificate.

Or Palin's magical banned book list...

Or Palin's membership in the Alaska Independence Party

Or McCain's involvement in the Keating Five

Or members of the crowd shouting 'kill him!' during McCain rally in Pennsylvania

521 arizona9  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:59:25am

re: #516 TheMatrix31

Omg, I missed bits the first time because I was laughing so hard. Seeing it now a 2nd and 3rd time, it's even funnier than I thought. It brilliantly nails Olbermann on all aspects of his vile personality, complete with dramatic head turns. Seriously, people, back away from keyboards while watching.

522 nonic  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:59:57am

#508 Ozark Mountain

Yeah, I know. I think it was a marathon that he ran around Crater Lake (if that's the name of it, a volcanic rim) in Washington or Oregon, wherever.

#510 littleoldlady

Hiya, kid. Thanks. :-)

523 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:00:02am

It's 5 am. Do you know where your fruitcup is?

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

524 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:00:36am

re: #523 littleoldlady

Excellent, more fruitcup. Thanks a lot littleoldlady.

525 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:00:48am

re: #503 arizona9

A bit grunty for the tone but the dialogue is spot on.

526 Scion9  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:01:01am

The Olbermann SNL skit that was being discussed at the top of the thread.

If you've never seen him, check out Greg Gutfeld on Fox. I can't help but think that his shtickh is a partial parody of Olbermann. He ends all of his editorials and rants with the admonition, "And if you disagree with me, then you sir are worse than Hitler."

Very Olbermann-esque.

527 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:01:12am

re: #523 littleoldlady

FRUUUITCUUUP!

/and 2 seconds late, no doubt.

528 Slumbering Behemoth  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:01:39am

Piper Palin, giving the finger(s).

/wait, what?

529 JustMyView  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:01:48am

re: #520 Fenway_Nation

Or Palin's magical banned book list...

Or Palin's membership in the Alaska Independence Party

Or McCain's involvement in the Keating Five

Or members of the crowd shouting 'kill him!' during McCain rally in Pennsylvania

Absolutely! (With the exception of McCain's involvement in the Keating Five, which he acknowledges.)

530 Karridine  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:02:20am

re: #509 littleoldlady

No, Ma'am... doesn't ring a bell, sorry

531 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:02:28am

kitten break!

[Link: www.dailykitten.com...]

532 nonic  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:06:00am

#528 Slumber

SEE?! I told my friend who sent me that picture that it was photoshopped. I told him that it seemed very unlikely that the old lady in the picture would be smiling indulgently at the kid flipping the bird.

Thank you for the links which I am now going to forward to him.

533 nonic  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:07:03am

That same "friend" #532 also told me that Joe the Plumber was an "urban legend." Whatever the hell he thought he meant by that. I didn't get into a discussion of it with him.

534 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:08:08am

re: #533 nonic

"Doesn't exist".

/Reality Takes a Holiday

535 TheMatrix31  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:08:10am

re: #523 littleoldlady

It's 5 am. Do you know where your fruitcup is?

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Time changes have me confused.

536 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:08:43am

re: #535 TheMatrix31

Matrix! :-)

Me too. That's why I served fruitcup twice today...

537 Karridine  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:09:03am

re: #529 JustMyView

JMV, it is of little import WHO she is, or whether she actually worked for Hillary and Obama... Her revelations dovetail with other observations, require no suspension of disbelief, call for no leap of faith and only clarify some things we've been seeing implied elsewhere.

If you choose to read the gray of her detailed report and declare "Incredible" then that's your choice.

I choose to declare it "Interesting, whether or not its credible"

538 Slumbering Behemoth  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:10:50am

re: #532 nonic

Heh. Be sure to send him this authentic, completely real photo (with my regards, of course) as well.

539 JustMyView  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:12:28am

re: #537 Karridine

JMV, it is of little import WHO she is, or whether she actually worked for Hillary and Obama... Her revelations dovetail with other observations, require no suspension of disbelief, call for no leap of faith and only clarify some things we've been seeing implied elsewhere.

If you choose to read the gray of her detailed report and declare "Incredible" then that's your choice.

I choose to declare it "Interesting, whether or not its credible"

Bur what is the point of a report describing events occurring w/in a campaign if it's not credible?

540 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:14:54am

re: #529 JustMyView

Which was tangential, at best...

But never mind me- I live in bizarro world where I find a presidential candidate from a major party hanging out with unrepentant domestic terrorists who were thwarted from placing nail bombs at an NCO's dance by their own idiocy/inability to handle explosives far more disturbing.

541 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:16:11am

re: #540 Fenway_Nation

Not to mention manifestos that strike an eerie familiarity with what has been done, and what is currently going on.

542 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:18:51am

sleep calls

543 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:19:14am

re: #539 JustMyView

Bur what is the point of a report describing events occurring w/in a campaign if it's not credible?

Because what's TRULY incredible is that the American People would actually vote for Obama.

544 Karridine  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:22:25am

re: #539 JustMyView

But what is the point of a report describing events occurring w/in a campaign if it's not credible?

EXACTLY! They're of little or no use to you, because YOU FIND THEM INCREDIBLE.

Those who find such reports credible when weighed against and with other such reports from more credible sources (VDHanson, Malkin, LGF) find these reports useful because they're another part of a large, multi-faceted reality out there, which occasionally requires certification but more often than not requires critical thinking on the part of observers, readers and commentators.

Principle here: What you see is what you get.
Your perceptual set determines ancillary or secondary value AFTER you 'see it'...

545 nonic  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:24:07am

re: #534 littleoldlady

"Doesn't exist".

/Reality Takes a Holiday

I know what "urban legend" means. I just couldn't figure what he thought he meant by saying that Joe Wurzelbacher WAS one.

I have really had to bite my tongue with him, because I know he's going to vote for Obama. And he's a Jew, too, which drives me straight up the wall.

(Not that he's a Jew, but that a Jew would vote for The pro-palestinian-anti-Isral One.) (Grrr...)

546 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:25:02am

re: #539 JustMyView

Many sources those that have names, also dovetail neatly with what we hear in this community. A confirmation that's posted on another blog that has little connection with ours is nice. Is it credible? Who knows? Does it fit the facts that are trickling out? Yes, and that trickle of facts may soon become a flood.

547 nonic  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:26:13am

#538 Slumber

LOL!

548 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:26:46am

re: #545 nonic

How do you think I feel running into my co-religionists who are doing that?

/okay. I'll tell you. I FEEL SICK. :-(

The silver lining is that there's a whole bunch that I didn't have to convince at all.

/plus Bubbes on the Beach are a McCain voting block...

549 JustMyView  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:28:09am

re: #544 Karridine

re: #546 BlueCanuck

OK, I'll concede the entertainment value of that report, but I wouldn't bet any money on the validity of what it says.

550 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:29:02am

re: #549 JustMyView

I guess it would have to have the MSM stamp of approval right?

/still don't understand why you are still here

551 jamie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:30:38am

re: #545 nonic

I know what "urban legend" means. I just couldn't figure what he thought he meant by saying that Joe Wurzelbacher WAS one.

I have really had to bite my tongue with him, because I know he's going to vote for Obama. And he's a Jew, too, which drives me straight up the wall.

(Not that he's a Jew, but that a Jew would vote for The pro-palestinian-anti-Isral One.) (Grrr...)

One, it's "he's Jewish," not "he's a Jew."

Two, while I can appreciate the ideological basis for your frustration, please know that our religious beliefs do not require us to vote a certain way. I may be alone on this, but I reject the idea that my being Jewish requires me to vote either for this Democrat or that Republican.

552 Karridine  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:30:58am

re: #549 JustMyView

re: #546 BlueCanuck

OK, I'll concede the entertainment value of that report, but I wouldn't bet any money on the validity of what it says.

We wouldn't either, IF it did not correlate closely with events observed in real-time in the the real world!

Because it DOES, we care not what-her-name-is, or who wrote it, because it correlates closely with other known variables.

/but hey! I'm agreeing with you, it is of no use to you. Useless. Incredible.

553 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:37:55am

re: #551 jamie

One, it's "he's Jewish," not "he's a Jew."

Two, while I can appreciate the ideological basis for your frustration, please know that our religious beliefs do not require us to vote a certain way. I may be alone on this, but I reject the idea that my being Jewish requires me to vote either for this Democrat or that Republican.

One, I am "a Jew". Been "a Jew" for a long time, in fact.

/is there a problem with that?

Two, this is not an election between a Democrat and a Republican. This is an election between an antisemite and a supporter of Israel.

/probably why 76% of Jewish-Americans in Israel voted for McCain.

554 nonic  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:38:29am

re: #548 littleoldlady

I have one son (out of five) who's going to vote for Obama. I have told the rest of them not to talk politics with him. At all. We're FAMILY. And it's more important that we stay friendly than ... well, than ANYTHING. Even who's president.

555 JustMyView  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:41:47am

re: #550 BlueCanuck

I guess it would have to have the MSM stamp of approval right?

/still don't understand why you are still here

It's not about the MSM. It's about providing an account that can be verified.

As to why I'm here, sometimes I enjoy a good argument. Every now and then, I actually get someone to agree w/ me about something.

556 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:42:16am

Hmmm, a little off topic. The ID thread has been very quiet tonight for once. I like that kind of CHANGE.

557 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:43:07am

re: #555 JustMyView

Hey, a stopped clock is right at least twice a day. . . .

558 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:43:14am

re: #556 BlueCanuck

There's HOPE!

559 tappin52  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:45:32am

re: #449 Teacake!

Hey there night owls. If you don't mind I'd like to ask for advise.

Has anyone here experienced getting a cold shoulder from people for no apparent reason? If so, did you ask what was going on and if so, how do you approach people when they are obviously giving the cold shoulder?

I suspect that someone who is hostile toward me, who is very good friends with these 2 others might be spreading rumors or gossip which is totally fabricated. But if they are his friend and no longer will even say hello to me, how would you go about asking what's going on?

Teacake, there is no other way to do it other than speaking directly to your friend and asking calm, rational very direct questions. And if you get answers that affirm what you suspect, then you calmy, rationally and truthfully set the record straight.

560 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:46:52am

re: #558 littleoldlady

I wonder, after this election if the words hope and change will be viewed the same way as gay and comrade. :p

561 little blessing  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:46:57am

re: #556 BlueCanuck

Much more action on the Friday Open Thread.

562 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:48:00am

re: #554 nonic

I have one son (out of five) who's going to vote for Obama.

nonic, may I ask how old he is? The reason for asking is that I'm finding the younger voters are more inclined to support Obama than the older voters and I wonder if that is the case in your family.

A week ago my sister emailed me for help persuading a friend of her daughter's that Obama was not the right way to go (he's a big 'social justice guy). I spent several hours working up some docs for him to read - and recommended he should further his education by reading Sowell's Applied Economics so he could at least learn about Stage One Thinking, which he was obviously stuck in.

It may be too late to change is mind completely, but my sister emailed me yesterday that he's actually reading the book. *fingers crossed*

Oh, good morning everyone! I missed SNL lst nite - could not stay awake. Was it good? I'm hoping to see some clips on Fox this morning.

563 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:48:32am

re: #556 BlueCanuck

Hmmm, a little off topic. The ID thread has been very quiet tonight for once. I like that kind of CHANGE.

Me too. It's nice to relax and chill out with a DRINK.

564 nonic  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:50:28am

re: #551 jamie

Please trust me that I meant no offense saying my friend is "a Jew." I just take that term to be a statement of fact, like I am "a Christian," someone else is "a Muslim," etc.

You are free, of course, as is my friend, to vote any way you like. But I don't see it being about religion, but politics. Voting should be about politics. What PUBLIC POLICIES does the voter favor?

I would HOPE that all clear-thinking people would believe that Israel has a RIGHT TO EXIST and that its inhabitants should not have to live in fear of their lives and the destruction of their homes and nation. But ESPECIALLY I am surprised when Jews and Christians do not feel that way.

It is that surprise -- and frustration -- that I was referring to. Not anyone's right to vote one way or another, and not based on his religion.

By my lights, Israel is Jewish and Christian HOLY LAND. Jews and Christians have ancient historical rights and scripture-documented traditional rights to the place. Muslims have merely been squatters for the last 1400 years. Yes, that entitles some individuals to some rights, but it doesn't make the Holy Land of the Jews and Christians into an Islamic "holy site."

565 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:50:28am

re: #561 little blessing

Oh? is there trolls that need to be thrashed and tenderized?

/thats the R.S. thread right?

566 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:51:21am

re: #560 BlueCanuck

I figure in another week or so kids won't be playing Cowboys and Indians anymore.

It'll be Racists and Socialists.

567 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:52:11am

Pych(ot)ic Predictions for 2009:

1. President Obama will be forced to deny that he is the baby alien who was smuggled out of Area 51 in a Canadian spy's lunchbox in 1961.
2. Bill Ayers will publicly acknowledge that he ghost-writes Keith Obermann's scripts.
3. Gold futures will plummet on the news that 84% of the world's gold reserves are in fact crude fakes, mostly lead and depleted uranium bars and coin coated with a thin layer of actual gold.
4. Ron Paul

568 jamie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:52:38am

re: #537 Karridine

JMV, it is of little import WHO she is, or whether she actually worked for Hillary and Obama... Her revelations dovetail with other observations, require no suspension of disbelief, call for no leap of faith and only clarify some things we've been seeing implied elsewhere.

With all due respect, it requires an absurd leap of faith and it is of extreme import who she worked for, since that is at the center of her claims. It requires you to believe that a Hillary staffer switched to the Obama campaign after the primary, and rose so high in the ranks, that she joined the tiny handful of senior advisers that get to see the internal polling. Then, while staying in that circle which usually consists of the pollster, the media consultant, and the top four or five staffers, she had a Road to Damascus moment and decided to back McCain by releasing strategic information that shows an impending Obama loss.

Look, I don't blame you for wanting this to be credible and wanting it to be true. But to say it "require[s] no suspension of disbelief" is flat out wrong.

569 little blessing  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:53:02am

re: #565 BlueCanuck

yup, and the dingers are going nuts. Sorry I left you, Littleoldlady and Karridine to take care of the eeyores.

/been watch lgf spy too long.

570 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:53:54am

re: #567 Shiplord Kirel

Well in some universe you would be bang on.

/Missing World Daily News are we?

571 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:55:42am

re: #569 little blessing

No problem. Holding our own here I do believe.

572 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:56:15am

Spinoff link from 2blue4u

The Obama campaign, with its many incestuous links to "small 'c' communists" and Islamic fascists, could end up discrediting the entire Democratic Party -- if Americans realize they've been Suckered Big by the slickest demagogue since Bill Clinton. When ordinary people find out how extreme the America-hating inner circle of Democrats really are, many of the rank and file might just walk out in disgust. They certainly should. We'll soon see in states like Pennsylvania.

The Obama Bubble is entirely based on telephone polls to voters who've been told they are racist monsters if they don't vote for O. Under those circumstances people just don't talk freely. That's what intimidation did in the old Soviet Union, where it was impossible to find out the truth about the coming wheat crop because everybody lied. Polls mean nothing in this climate of media intimidation.

As a registered Democrat and a Jew, I agree.

/not to mention "media, sold public a pig-in-a-poke, people p*ssed"

573 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:57:05am

little blessing! :-)

574 nonic  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:57:10am

re: #562 wahabicorridor

Ages of conservative sons voting Republican: 31, 26, 24, 22.

Age of liberal son voting Democrat: 28.

575 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:58:27am

re: #567 Shiplord Kirel

Pych(ot)ic Predictions for 2009:

1. President Obama will be forced to deny that he is the baby alien who was smuggled out of Area 51 in a Canadian spy's lunchbox in 1961.
2. Bill Ayers will publicly acknowledge that he ghost-writes Keith Obermann's scripts.
3. Gold futures will plummet on the news that 84% of the world's gold reserves are in fact crude fakes, mostly lead and depleted uranium bars and coin coated with a thin layer of actual gold.
4. Ron Paul



That'd be fun.

/it's a 5-parter...

576 iceman  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:59:51am

Fascination reading here describing the tension in the radical left in 1969. And how the armed struggle, ie war was to proceed against the capitalist oppressors. And guess who is here? Our old friends, Ayers, Dohrn and Mike Klonsky, the guy who Barack shared a narrow office hallway with and funneled much money to while he was head of the Annenberg Challenge.

Jump to page 21 of the pdf or page 58 of the FBI file and settle in for a nostalgic trip back, back, back ...for the factional infighting during the 1969 convention of the SDS held in...Chicago, Ill.

link to pdf is here

Parent page listing all documents is here.

577 jamie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:00:01am

re: #553 littleoldlady

One, I am "a Jew". Been "a Jew" for a long time, in fact.

/is there a problem with that?

In theory, no. In practice--and I'm not suggesting this is at all representative of one single person here--when anti-Semites embark on their spiel, it's always the "he's a Jew" routine. Rightly or wrongly, IMO, the referring to one as "a Jew" has been taken over by bigots. Of course, there is room for disagreement on this, and I shouldn't have been as definitive in my response.

Two, this is not an election between a Democrat and a Republican. This is an election between an antisemite and a supporter of Israel.

That's just dumb, and cheapens both the fight against real anti-Semitism and the legitimate arguments against Obama's candidacy. He's as anti-Semitic as Joe Lieberman. I highly suggest this piece from the (lamentably shuttered) New York Sun.

578 little blessing  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:00:26am

re: #573 littleoldlady

{littleolelady}

I've spent the day on LGF. Witnessed the Saturday Massacre. Remember when Goddess came on a couple of days ago and mentioned how hard it is when 2 friends move on? Her comments were resonating in my mind today.

579 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:01:36am

re: #570 BlueCanuck

Well in some universe you would be bang on.

/Missing World Daily News are we?

It has been resurrected as an online only pub but it can no longer use its cherished slogan, "The World's Only Reliable Newspaper."
I always preferred "The Most Respected Name in Major Media" and I may start lobbying them to adopt it.

Highlights you won't see in lesser media:
# OCTOBER SURPRISE: ALIEN ENDORSES MCCAIN!
# MICHELLE LOVES OBATMA
# INDIA TO CATER ALIEN SUMMIT
# SARAH PALIN HEALS CHILD
# 9-FT-TALL CYCLOPS JOINS NBA
# MCCAIN EBAYS GOVERNMENT SECRETS
#PALIN BAGS A BIGFOOT

580 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:02:21am

re: #574 nonic

Ages of conservative sons voting Republican: 31, 26, 24, 22.

Age of liberal son voting Democrat: 28.

Well, there goes that idea...

581 jamie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:03:27am

re: #564 nonic

Please trust me that I meant no offense saying my friend is "a Jew." I just take that term to be a statement of fact, like I am "a Christian," someone else is "a Muslim," etc.

None taken, and I should have taken better care to note that this was just my opinion and that I was sure you meant nothing by it. I just tend to chafe at suggestions that I need to vote this way or that way simply because I wear a kippah in my house of worship. A good friend of mine is black, gay, and a huge McCain supporter. It saddens me when he gets a predictable ration of shit from people who believe he owes them anything. I was similarly disappointed to discuss the election in passing with a member of our synagogue who concluded that he could never consider voting for a guy whose middle name was Hussein.

582 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:04:41am

re: #574 nonic

Well, each family must have a blacksocialist sheep in it. At least it's not a felony.

/yet. . . .

583 nonic  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:11:56am

re: #580 wahabicorridor

Yeah, I don't know what to tell you. He's always been the one who was a little bit different. So be it. He went to college and currently lives and works in Boston. Maybe that's it.

The rest of them went to / go to school and/or work in New Jersey.

Among daughters in law... the Boston son is married to a Virginia girl. I don't KNOW, but I would guess she's also voting dem. The oldest son is married to an immigrant from Lithuania. She says she didn't grow up under Communism to vote for a Socialist now! LOL The second oldest son is engaged to a Korean girl, born in SK, grew up here. My son says she favors Obama, but he says that's because she has a "soft" (I think he means "bleeding") heart. But he's extremely conservative -- he'll probably bring her over to the light eventually.

Our family, probable votes:
Rep 4 sons, 1 DIL, me, and my ex (most likely) = 7
Dem 1 son, 2 DIL = 3

584 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:14:46am

re: #577 jamie

In theory, no. In practice--and I'm not suggesting this is at all representative of one single person here--when anti-Semites embark on their spiel, it's always the "he's a Jew" routine. Rightly or wrongly, IMO, the referring to one as "a Jew" has been taken over by bigots. Of course, there is room for disagreement on this, and I shouldn't have been as definitive in my response.

Yes, I suppose it's hard to do an antisemitic spiel without mentioning "Jews" or even that "He's Jewish". This is a new one on me!

That's just dumb, and cheapens both the fight against real anti-Semitism and the legitimate arguments against Obama's candidacy. He's as anti-Semitic as Joe Lieberman. I highly suggest this piece from the (lamentably shuttered) New York Sun.

What's on the tape that the LA Times refuses to release, jamie? Do you expect to see Obama at a Jew-bashing fest saying, "Now, now guys! Stop beating up on Jews!"

585 nonic  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:14:46am

re: #581 jamie

=@@=

I just made that up. It's a handshake. :-)

586 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:15:10am

re: #578 little blessing

What did I miss?!

587 little blessing  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:18:31am

G'day Everyone!

Take good care of yourselves and your loved ones. Nonic is right. The election will (eventually) end and your family will still be there.

Too many rash things have been said today due to passion and emotion. I've watched comments get deleted and posters banned. By all means continue debating and thrashing out the issues but think before posting. Is the ugliness warranted?

/my words will probably come back to bite me in the behind the day I get "ugly"!

588 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:18:35am

re: #583 nonic

a Korean girl, born in SK, grew up here

Over the years I've come to know many SKs who grew up in SK - and believe me, they ain't voting Obama. One friend, Kwong, listened to some Obama garbage from her son, Jason, who will be voting for the first time. She told him she'd cut off his tuition! She told me "Look what I've done - came to America so my children could have a better life - and I've raised a MORON who appreciates NOTHING!"

It was kinda funny, actually.

589 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:21:56am

re: #587 little blessing

G'night little blessing, enjoy the rest of your day.

/can't see you getting "ugly". :)

590 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:22:02am

re: #588 wahabicorridor

Over the years I've come to know many SKs who grew up in SK - and believe me, they ain't voting Obama. One friend, Kwong, listened to some Obama garbage from her son, Jason, who will be voting for the first time. She told him she'd cut off his tuition! She told me "Look what I've done - came to America so my children could have a better life - and I've raised a MORON who appreciates NOTHING!"

It was kinda funny, actually.

wahabi! :-)

My daughter tells me that a couple of weeks ago her campus was exuberantly OBAMA! Now she says it's realll quiet.

I figured that some of those kids got calls from mom and dad explaining where their tuition money comes from. ;-)

591 Scion9  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:23:31am

re: #577 jamie

Believing that Obama is anything but opposed to Israel definitely takes a leap of faith. He strikes me to be about as pro-Israel is Rashid Khalidi or Edward Said.

It may seem in bad faith, but the face that the media, academia et al has put on people like Khalidi and many others as being 'moderates' when they are anything but has created an air of mistrust.

If people like Khalidi are moderates, and CAIR is respectable, then the same people painting Obama as pro-Israel or even a moderate isn't going to buy the man a lot of credentials from where I stand.

He already has stated that he believes that the Israeli's have a viable peace partner in the Palestinian Arabs, and that he intends to be involved in the process. Even if he is pro-Israel, he is at best a well-meaning but ultimately dangerous fool.

On the lighter side of paranoia, Communists strike out against fictional treason.

592 nonic  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:23:56am

Come to think of it, I guess the Lithuanian DIL can't vote. She's not a citizen. I think she has a green card, but they don't vote, right?

593 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:25:15am

re: #592 nonic

Come to think of it, I guess the Lithuanian DIL can't vote. She's not a citizen. I think she has a green card, but they don't vote, right?

Not unless they're one of Obama's relatives...

;-)

594 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:25:55am

re: #590 littleoldlady

My mom suggested that perhaps life would be easier if I moved back to America under an Obama presidency, as "we'd be starting from the bottom."

I would unfortunately be inclined to agree. I only have about $3,000 across all my accounts and there's no way I'd be able to complete my education in the States unless I worked 'till I'm 30. Art school scholarships are fairly scarce for my major...and even worse, if I finish my Bachelor's here, the well will be bone dry for Graduate Studies, made worse with higher course costs.

595 whiterasta  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:27:06am

re: #593 littleoldlady

Do any of Obama's relatives have a Green Card?

596 little blessing  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:27:14am

re: #586 littleoldlady

In Brief:
Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch has accepted VB back on his blogroll. We all know that Charles has found them to be far right,Neo-nazis etc. As a result Charles has removed Jihad Watch from LGF's blogroll and is understandably upset with the man whom he once considered a good friend.

In the meantime, we had all kinds of people post derogatory comments about Charles or more conspiracy theories about Obama (especially the ones Charles has continuously said not to post) which got them deleted or banned.

On top of all that we had and ID/Evolution thread which seems to bring out some outlandish comments.

Me thinks it has been a long day but I still love LGF!

re: #589 BlueCanuck

What you don't know can't hurt you!

/Why do you think I like Red so much?

597 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:27:19am

re: #594 laZardo

laZardo! :-)

You should do it. In a few years we'll all be sitting with you...on the bottom.

598 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:28:28am

re: #590 littleoldlady

wahabi! :-)

My daughter tells me that a couple of weeks ago her campus was exuberantly OBAMA! Now she says it's realll quiet.

I figured that some of those kids got calls from mom and dad explaining where their tuition money comes from. ;-)

As someone I greatly admire often says YOU BETCHA!

hey, do you know what I learned yesterday - and I don't know why I hadn't figured this out sooner - goddess is in western Penna - and she knows Uniontown! And Hopwood too!

Ahh, we Pennsylvania girls...

599 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:28:33am

Good Morning LGF.
Hmmm, I wonder where these tire marks on my ass came from. LOL.

Got faith in those PUMAs and independents?
Looks like I'll have to be a Believer, at least until Tuesday night!

600 little blessing  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:28:33am

re: #594 laZardo

On the other hand, with Professors like Ayers you are better off without that education!

601 tappin52  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:29:12am

re: #588 wahabicorridor

My daughter-in-law is Korean. She and another Korean girl were adopted and brought back to the USA in the 70's. She is a girly girl and my son loves her to death. She is a high school math teacher an voting McCain.

602 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:29:32am

re: #595 whiterasta

Come to think of it...all I know about is the illegal immigrant aunt in Boston and the half-brother living in a box in Kenya.

Oh, and the communist cousin whose followers burned down a church full of people.

/man. I thought MY family was dysfunctional! ;-)

603 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:29:58am

re: #596 little blessing


re: #589 BlueCanuck

What you don't know can't hurt you!

/Why do you think I like Red so much?


The same reasons I do? He grows on you, and deep down you know he will back you against all that would stand against you if he believes in you.

/he may be experienced but his heart is in the right place

604 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:30:04am

re: #600 little blessing

If I took Political Science or any Socially-related major. (;

Unfortunately, I'm looking toward Transportation Design, which I am told by The One would probably require me to spread the wealth around if I do make it.

/great, I get fucked either way... D:

605 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:30:21am

re: #597 littleoldlady

Do...what?

/a bit mind-frazzled from the "passion" and "emotion"

606 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:30:32am

re: #596 little blessing

WOW. This election isn't doing much for MY nerves.

/and I know I'm not alone...

607 nonic  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:30:42am

re: #588 wahabicorridor

LOL !

She's a wonderful girl. Very smart (getting an advanced degree in bio-medical engineering) and sweet as can be. But her parents, who both have their own businesses (hard workers) were so against her dating a non-Korean boy that the kids had to wait 4 years before my son could even meet the parents. I ASSUME we'll be invited to the wedding, but I'm not buying my dress ahead of time! LOL

And it's funny, because my son is an accountant and finishing law school. They couldn't FIND a son in law with better prospects. :-)

608 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:30:52am

re: #594 laZardo

My mom suggested that perhaps life would be easier if I moved back to America under an Obama presidency, as "we'd be starting from the bottom."

Ok, you lost me. How is 'starting from the bottom' a good thing?

And where are you living now, if you don't mind my asking?

609 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:31:44am

re: #598 wahabicorridor

Probably knows Uniontown better than I do! :-)

/last time I was there I was 11 years old
//and I had a vicious case of strep throat so I didn't enjoy myself much

610 little blessing  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:31:55am

re: #604 laZardo

If it happens, you won't be alone.

Give my regards to the US Embassy down there. Thanks for all the help with Little One's SSN!

/All our stuff gets processed in Manila

611 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:32:41am

re: #608 wahabicorridor

Still living and taking college in Manila. I'd really like to move back to the States before I finish my Bachelor's, so I can at least tap into the financial aid well a bit. I'd be too old to get a summer job (since they usually go for freshly-graduated high schoolers), so I've got a rather narrow window of opportunity.

By "starting from the bottom" I mean me and my mom will have to bunk with relatives until we can get the resources to bring the rest of my family (including 2 American citizen younger brothers) back over. I'm still going through the petitioning process, since neither of my parents are American citizens or permanent residents.

612 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:33:43am

re: #604 laZardo

If I took Political Science or any Socially-related major. (;

Unfortunately, I'm looking toward Transportation Design, which I am told by The One would probably require me to spread the wealth around if I do make it.

/great, I get fucked either way... D:

Hey! You'd be one of the few of us with a JOB.

/sure, a government job, but a job nonetheless...

613 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:35:34am

re: #607 nonic

I hired a really brilliant Korean guy, Yong. His family came here when he was about 11. His father deserted the family 3 years later and he supported his mother. He was absolutely devoted to her as you can imagine. But dating drove him nuts. His mother wanted a Korean girl because tradition in that culture mandates his mom would be taken care of. But Yong could not find a Korean girl in America with those values. I left the company years ago and never learned how he worked it out - if he did.

614 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:37:53am

re: #611 laZardo

Ah, ok, got it. jeez, rock, meet hard place.

615 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:38:12am

re: #612 littleoldlady

Probably a job with a mandatory-unionized auto company. Meaning I'd fear 'card check day.'

Anyhoo, dinner. BBL.

616 Spirit93  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:38:43am

re: #598 wahabicorridor

YOU BETCHA!

617 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:39:07am

re: #614 wahabicorridor

The cherry on the cake is that I'm most likely to wind up with relatives in Seattle if I move back.

/I know I can do it, I know I can do it...I know I can do it...

618 bp sf  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:40:28am

Good Morning!

It is going to be a wonderful day.

NY Giants game @ 4:15 is the start of my 3 day drunk binge; ending in a Victory Celebration early Wednesday.

This one will be super sweet. L'chaim!

619 tappin52  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:41:00am

re: #617 laZardo

Come on home! There's no place like home.

620 nonic  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:41:41am

re: #602 littleoldlady

There's another brother or cousin (I think brother) living on the dole in London.

621 Scion9  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:42:21am

re: #602 littleoldlady

Oh, and the communist cousin whose followers burned down a church full of people.

They aren't cousings. Odinga and Obama Sr. were from the same 'tribe' but they aren't related.

And LaZardo, don't be so sure that Obama is going to help out those on 'the bottom' so much. You don't need to go deep into economics, but if Obama starts making college or anything else 'more affordable' by way of tax credits and government scholarships, it will only promote spending in those areas to gain the new benefits. Demand will increase for a limited and selective commodity, meaning the price will go up.

622 tappin52  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:43:17am

re: #620 nonic

Doesn't everyone live on the dole in London? Except Madonna, of course.

623 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:43:19am

re: #618 bp sf

bp sf! :-)

So, is New Jersey going to swing for McCain?

;-) ;-) ;-)

624 Geepers  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:46:38am

littleoldlady's Jewish?!

Who knew?

;-)

Morning all.

625 nonic  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:47:14am

re: #613 wahabicorridor

Yeah, my son told me that his fiancee has promised her mother she can live with them in her old age. I said that's fine -- she and I can share a room and keep each other company. :-)

626 bp sf  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:47:19am

#623

Good Morning, littleoldlady!

NJ going GOP is unlikely. I ask for the R ballot at the polling place (Senior Center); it's like an old EF Hutton commercial...the room goes silent and I get those glaring looks!

627 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:47:21am

re: #621 Scion9

I thought on the tape I saw Odinga himself said they were "cousins"? Maybe it's like saying "lansmen"?

/I sit corrected then. :-)

628 Jamie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:47:45am

re: #591 Scion9

He already has stated that he believes that the Israeli's have a viable peace partner in the Palestinian Arabs, and that he intends to be involved in the process. Even if he is pro-Israel, he is at best a well-meaning but ultimately dangerous fool.

His voting record leads me to question the idea of him being anti-Israel--he has never run afoul of the pro-Israel community in the Senate. As for the peace process, his comments aren't that different from President Bush, who I think we can agree is quite pro-Israel. In any event, I was referring to the idea that Obama is anti-Semitic, which is, in my opinion, absurd. Anti-Israel is a matter of interpretation, I suppose.

629 nonic  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:47:53am

re: #623 littleoldlady

From your lips to God's ear!

630 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:48:55am

re: #624 Geepers

GEEPERS! :-)

My bonafides: OY! ;-)

631 nonic  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:49:24am

re: #626 bp sf

#623

Good Morning, littleoldlady!

NJ going GOP is unlikely. I ask for the R ballot at the polling place (Senior Center); it's like an old EF Hutton commercial...the room goes silent and I get those glaring looks!

Not out here in Morris County. And I used to live in Warren County where I don't think they know what a Democrat IS.

632 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:50:46am

re: #627 littleoldlady


/I sit corrected then. :-)

I thought you were sitting already.

/duck and covers.
//Had to, red isn't here. ;)

633 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:51:35am

At this time of day I can get all the news I need from the weather report...especially if it's a good one!

634 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:54:45am

The newspapers have arrived, Hubby and the Fat Beagle have arisen and daylight impends.

I'm outta here

/is 'impends' a word?

635 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:55:24am

re: #632 BlueCanuck

I AM STA...

No wait. I'm not. ;-)

636 Panhandler  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:56:52am

As the sun begins to peek over the horizon on the Gulf Coast I think of a quote by Theodore Roosevelt -
The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.

Theodore Roosevelt

Already voted, had to show ID, Florida uses a paper trail electronic now. By the way, the Panhandle is McCain country.
Didn't check, did the time change give us 2 Fruitcup issues? Is there any left because I already finished the Halloween leftovers.

637 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:57:01am

re: #635 littleoldlady

*snicker* Had to think there a minute didn't you? *evil grin*

/always make them second guess themselves. . . .

638 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:57:06am

re: #619 tappin52

What's crazy is I still consider my birth city as "home."

Especially since my real (nick)name is...

639 rancher  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:57:08am

Rustler back in the saddle just got some time to peruse the new comments since i started around the house and hah. You all(RW anyway) thought i was being overly optimistic to think McCain had a shot in Cali
: P

640 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:58:19am

re: #636 Panhandler

Hey Panhandler, did I ever mention I like your choice of an avatar?

/*grin*

641 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:58:32am

Mornin' & Howdy, Lizaaarrrds!
I am still Joe

/do you think they'll buy the forced exuberance and elation?
/no
/should I link it?
/no
/i'm gonna to anyway
[Link: townhall.com...]

642 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:58:34am

re: #637 BlueCanuck

*white smoke!*

643 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:00:24am

re: #636 Panhandler

Panhandler! :-)

Yes. We had international fruitcup at 4 and East Coast fruitcup at (what they're trying to convince us is) 5 am.

/you'll have to find it yourself, tho...

644 Panhandler  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:00:32am

re: #640 BlueCanuck

My "trickle up" economic package if The One gets in.

645 nonic  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:01:18am

Well, folks, y'all have a good day. See ya another time. :-)

646 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:01:23am

re: #503 arizona9

I wonder how much of that Affleck wrote. LOL!

647 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:01:43am

'Bye nonic! :-)

648 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:02:28am

re: #621 Scion9

They aren't cousings. Odinga and Obama Sr. were from the same 'tribe' but they aren't related.

And LaZardo, don't be so sure that Obama is going to help out those on 'the bottom' so much. You don't need to go deep into economics, but if Obama starts making college or anything else 'more affordable' by way of tax credits and government scholarships, it will only promote spending in those areas to gain the new benefits. Demand will increase for a limited and selective commodity, meaning the price will go up.

Meaning...even higher tuition!? So...unless I can catch up in the first two years or so...

/excuse me while I pass out

649 Long Nics are Looonnng  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:03:35am

Too bad SNL didn't have a better actor last night, a whole bunch of people could have done a better "bathtub boy". That being said, it was funny.

650 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:05:06am

Back in the US
Back in the US
Back in the USSA

Didj'all miss me?

651 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:06:00am

re: #650 Occasional Reader

Not rly. [;

/and sees what you did there

652 rancher  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:06:07am

Popping smoke I'm out tho be safe all and keep the TV's off till Nov 4th lol just gonna get depressed otherwise

653 Long Nics are Looonnng  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:06:22am

I did like the QVC bit though. John McCain was very funny. My favorite was the ten "Town Hall Commemorative Plates". Thought that was funny.

654 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:06:48am

re: #650 Occasional Reader

Enjoyed the weather report from Argentina.
Glad you got back here in time to vote.

655 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:06:54am

re: #650 Occasional Reader
Howdy, Comrade!

/man, that leaves a bad taste in my mouth, bleccht
//then don't say it
/gotta get used to sometime

656 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:08:04am

re: #654 Dar ul Harb

Enjoyed the weather report from Argentina.
Glad you got back here in time to vote.

Vote? Is there some sort of election coming up? Oh, you mean American Idol.

657 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:08:52am

re: #656 Occasional Reader

Screw that. America's Next Top Hooker Model will change our destinies as we know it.

658 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:09:04am

re: #651 laZardo


/and sees what you did there

What I did where?

It was already like that when I got here. Whatever it is. I swear it.

659 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:10:02am

re: #658 Occasional Reader

It might be after 20 January 2009.

660 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:10:05am

re: #657 laZardo

Screw that. America's Next Top Hooker

Is that a spinoff from T.J. Hooker?

661 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:10:11am

re: #657 laZardo

Fundamental Redistributive Change™.

662 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:10:19am

Later nonic, rancher's son. Welcome OR FBV.

/looks like the day shift is waking from the long slumber.

663 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:10:53am

Occasional Reader! :-)

WE MISSED YOU! So glad you're back! :-)

Where were you?

664 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:11:32am

re: #654 Dar ul Harb

Enjoyed the weather report from Argentina.

Of the weather, I cannot complain. It was spectacular.
Buenos Aires should be a great city. But it needs a thorough scrubbing.

665 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:12:37am

re: #661 Dar ul Harb

Fundamental Redistributive Change™.

I will spread my wealth when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.

666 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:12:54am

Riding the pampas with the vaqueros?

667 Geepers  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:13:11am

Michelle & Barack insist police remain out of sight, out of mind

...members of the Calhoun County Sheriff’s Department, Michigan State Police, (me included) and other local agencies inside Calhoun County
are working with Secret Service in the security of Mr. Obama. Mr. Obama’s bus arrives in Battle Creek and pulls into the stadium area. Before Mr. Obama exits the bus, he has the Secret Service get off and tell all Law Enforcement personnel in uniform that they now have to stand behind the bus so Mr. Obama is not seen with anyone in a Law Enforcement uniform before he gets off or while in the public view.

...everyone from Michigan State Police, Sheriff’s Deptments and other agencies look at each other for a brief second, go and stand behind the bus out of sight so Mr. Obama does not have to see, or been seen with, what to him is `undesirables’ since he refuses to been seen or even acknowledge Military or Law Enforcement personnel in uniform. And he wants to be our commander-in- chief!

Billy Ayres must be proud.

668 Long Nics are Looonnng  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:13:54am

re: #662 BlueCanuck

Got an extra hour of nightmares last night. Whew. Glad to wake up in the light though.

669 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:14:24am

re: #660 Occasional Reader

No, but as long as I don't see any of Charlie's Angels on it, judges OR competitors, American society should weather this crisis.

670 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:14:43am

re: #666 Dar ul Harb

Riding the pampas with the vaqueros?

Bitter vaqueros, who cling to their armas and religión.

But no, I was with the city slickers in this visit.

671 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:14:48am

re: #665 Occasional Reader

I will spread my wealth when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.

What, that's not Change You Can Believe In™?

672 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:15:53am

re: #667 Geepers

Wow, just wow.

/speechless

673 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:16:27am

re: #667 Geepers

So Barry threw the police behind the bus.

Well, it's a little different, anyway.

674 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:16:45am

re: #665 Occasional Reader

I will spread my wealth when they pry it from my cold, dead hands. between my legs.

/painfully fix'd

675 Scion9  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:17:01am

re: #667 Geepers

That was debunked. It was from a chain email by a "Jason Kern", and the MSP came out saying that there is no such officer by that name working for them.

[Link: www.michigan.gov...]

According to the link, it isn't even a case of 'fake but accurate'.

676 Long Nics are Looonnng  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:17:14am

re: #667 Geepers

Whoa. I am just shocked! Shocked I tells ya!

677 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:17:47am

re: #666 Dar ul Harb

Riding the pampas

I don't know about riding the pampas, but I wouldn't turn down an offer to ride Pampita.

[google it if you must]

678 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:18:15am

re: #667 Geepers

Don't worry, Geepers, when he gets in, he won't need now stickin' law enforcement, he have a "National Civilian Security Force"

679 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:19:02am

re: #677 Occasional Reader

I don't know about riding the pampas, but I wouldn't turn down an offer to ride Pampita.

[google it if you must]

Well, that woke me up!

680 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:19:14am

On my flight back, I did have an interesting conversation with a conservative European who finds Obama scary. So there are still sane Europeans, apparently... at least a few.

681 Long Nics are Looonnng  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:19:27am

re: #678 KB55

Don't worry, Geepers, when he gets in, he won't need now stickin' law enforcement, he have a "National Civilian Security Force"

Can we please just call the NCSF, "The Thought Police"? That's what they'll be used for.

682 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:20:24am

Good morning/afternoon/evening/night, Lizard Nation!

I hope you all enjoyed your extra hour in bed today!

On a more sombre note, here is the link to a story in today's Sunday Edition of The Times, London.

This shows in exemplary fashion why Charles, the Lizard King, was right to ban any discussion of it from lgf!

Now I'll do some trhead diving ...

683 Long Nics are Looonnng  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:20:33am

Gotta get ready for Church. Gonna pray real hard.

Pastor is a Lib though. But doesn't talk about it at church. I like it that way.

684 tappin52  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:21:26am

re: #667 Geepers

I read that a day or two ago. I'm amazed that Obama's bus wheels even touch the ground anymore.

685 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:22:52am

Well, the Harbitas are up, so time to make breakfast.

Hasta luego...

686 tappin52  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:24:10am

re: #685 Dar ul Harb

Well, the Harbitas are up, so time to make breakfast.

Hasta luego...

Harbitas? Is that family?

687 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:24:11am

re: #681 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That, and tracking down all the guns and relieving the "other" law enforcement of theirs. Can anyone say, SS?

688 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:24:19am

re: #678 KB55

Don't worry, Geepers, when he gets in, he won't need now stickin' law enforcement, he have a "National Civilian Security Force"

I still think this was a throwaway quote from Barry, and he didn't really know what the heck he was saying. He has made no further efforts to flesh out anything remotely like a "national civilian security force", AFAIK, and it's not the sort of thing you could do without anyone noticing.

689 arizona9  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:25:47am

People, tune into MSNBC right now. Joe S is ripping Obama's most recent, I-Hate-America comment.

690 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:26:04am

re: #682 yma o hyd

Wait...so the Obama-Ayers points are no longer valid?

/state of confusion, sorry...

691 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:26:41am

re: #687 KB55

That, and tracking down all the guns and relieving the "other" law enforcement of theirs. Can anyone say, SS?

Oh, come one. Look, do I think an Obama adminstation would try to do end runs around the 2nd Amendment? Yes, just like Clinton did. But Obama "SS" stripping guns from cops? Please.

692 tappin52  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:26:59am

re: #688 Occasional Reader

Since he has mentioned it more than once, I doubt it is a throw away issue. More likely, he is keeping it less discussed until he tries to implement it. Then he can claim to have been up front about it.

693 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:27:02am

re: #688 Occasional Reader
With Congress and PelosiReid, why do you think he's going to worry about anyone "noticing"? They're going to consider this election as a referendum on the liberal/social need for change.

694 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:27:21am

re: #689 arizona9


People, tune into MSNBC right now

I'd rather stick toothpicks into my eyes.

Good day, ALL!™

695 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:28:10am

re: #690 laZardo

Wait...so the Obama-Ayers points are no longer valid?

/state of confusion, sorry...

The article only specifically purports to debunk the "Ayers ghostwrote Dreams From My Father" point. But without question Obama and Ayers have had other links, for a very long time. Oh, but Barry says he's "just some guy in my neighborhood", so I guess it's all okay!

696 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:29:05am

re: #692 tappin52

Since he has mentioned it more than once,

I am only aware of the one quote, in his speech from (?) July about "volunteerism" (or national service or whatever you want to call it).

697 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:29:14am

re: #694 littleoldlady

Bye littleoldlady, see you tomorrow.

698 arizona9  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:30:20am

re: #694 littleoldlady

I'd rather stick toothpicks into my eyes.

Good day, ALL!™

I hear you but it is so rare to hear Obama ripped being for the smug, arrogant ass that he is. Tucker is also on the panel.

699 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:30:44am

Gah, I'm hearing The One's voice on airport t.v. monitors (perpetually tuned to CNN, naturally)... I'm sick of his voice already. Let's not have to listen to it for the next four years. MCCAIN/PALIN.

700 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:30:50am

re: #691 Occasional Reader
OR, I am NOT a conspriatorial guy, never have been, but I have listened to all of "nuanced" satements and as tappin points out, it ain't just once, and I think these guys let slip what's really coming because the WIN is inevitable--just to point, Richardson's $120K on taxes--oops, I wasn't s'pose to say that. Where did it come form then. BTW, Richardson should've been BHO's VP pick, not Biden.

701 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:31:25am

re: #689 arizona9

People, tune into MSNBC right now. Joe S is ripping Obama's most recent, I-Hate-America comment.

What was Obama's comment? (Been a little out of it news-wise here.)

702 arizona9  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:31:58am

re: #699 Occasional Reader

Gah, I'm hearing The One's voice on airport t.v. monitors (perpetually tuned to CNN, naturally)... I'm sick of his voice already. Let's not have to listen to it for the next four years. MCCAIN/PALIN.

I was talking about that very thing earlier. I hate the man's voice. Every time he comes on, I'm lunging for the remote.

703 tappin52  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:32:11am

re: #696 Occasional Reader

I am only aware of the one quote, in his speech from (?) July about "volunteerism" (or national service or whatever you want to call it).

He mentioned it again in his infomercial.

704 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:32:39am

re: #695 Occasional Reader

Oh. Okay then.

705 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:32:49am

re: #696 Occasional Reader
Then you didn't hear this in June--this has nothing to do with his "Voluteerism"

706 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:33:06am

re: #700 KB55

and as tappin points out, it ain't just once,

If there was a reference to the National Civilian Security Force idea in anything other than that one speech, please point me to it. I am not aware of any other reference. He has blathered about "volunteerism" a lot, but that's hardly the same thing as "armed goons with a half-trillion dollar budget".

707 whiterasta  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:33:33am

re: #699 Occasional Reader

There is a reader here who carries a universal remote with him and then changes the channel from CNN to Fox...

BWWWAAAHAHAHAH!

708 yochanan  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:34:46am

what to expect from a obama government

will it be an incompetent liberal government like jimmy carter or will it be a euro socialist state or maybe worse? FRANKLY I DON'T KNOW. and I don't want any of it.

On the military front will the Iranian islmo fascists try to finish the job that they started under the incompetent govt of jimmy carter?

IRAN WITH A NUKE IS MY BIGGEST WORRY WHO EVER IS PRESIDENT AT LEAST JOHN MCCAIN KNOWS WHAT A MILITARY IS FOR AND WOULD MAKE A GREAT COMMANDER IN CHIEF.

709 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:34:47am

re: #707 whiterasta

Oh that is just plain evil.

/wonder how he got it past security.

710 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:35:18am

re: #705 KB55

Then you didn't hear this in June--this has nothing to do with his "Voluteerism"
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Um... no, that's the speech I was referring to. AFAIK, the only time he has specifically mentioned that idea. If it was specifically referred to in the infomercial (which I did not watch), I stand corrected. But while I worry about plenty of things about a potentional Obama administration, an armed "SS" isn't one of them. The American people would not stand for it. It would never get off the ground.

711 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:35:37am

re: #707 whiterasta

Buy that guy a drink!

712 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:36:25am

re: #709 BlueCanuck

Oh that is just plain evil.

/wonder how he got it past security.

Security wouldn't care. It's not a weapon or a potential weapon. Ooh, but I like the idea...!

713 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:37:42am

re: #686 tappin52

Harbitas? Is that family?

The quote seemed rather Harbitrary.

714 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:38:00am

re: #710 Occasional Reader
I would say the same, OR, and I hope you're right--this guy is Svengali, so many would believe it was necessary to instill peace among us.

I pray thta you are right, but blind lemmings typically don't care which cliff they run off of.

715 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:39:46am

re: #708 yochanan.

IRAN WITH A NUKE IS MY BIGGEST WORRY

Bush would redeem a lot of his mistakes in my eyes if he delivered ordnance onto Natanz, Buseshr et al before leaving office.

716 ibmkeyboard  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:40:21am

Bambi has now stated that he will change the world.

I always wondered if God might be a black man?

717 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:40:27am

re: #688 Occasional Reader

I still think this was a throwaway quote from Barry, and he didn't really know what the heck he was saying. He has made no further efforts to flesh out anything remotely like a "national civilian security force", AFAIK, and it's not the sort of thing you could do without anyone noticing.

[Link: www.investors.com...]

[Link: www.publicallies.org...]

718 arizona9  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:40:40am

He said something to the effect that because Iowa voted for him in the primary-marking his comeback- it vindicated his faith in the country. Cause you know, if we aren't validating his awesomeness, we suck. It's a statement oh so similar to his wifey's about not being proud and all that. Joe was beside himself. Lib toadie Carney jumped in to try and explain away His Arrogance's true meaning but Joe was having none of it.

719 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:41:11am

re: #714 KB55

I would say the same, OR, and I hope you're right--this guy is Svengali, so many would believe it was necessary to instill peace among us.

I pray thta you are right, but blind lemmings typically don't care which cliff they run off of.

So do I get extra points for inventing the word "potentional"?

(overnight flight, no sleep... excuse!)

Out for now. Take care, y'all.

720 arizona9  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:42:12am

Jesus, even the editor of Newsweek is calling the statement arrogant. But Mark thinks that arrogance and ego is a good thing. Jesus.

721 yochanan  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:42:41am

IOWA did not vote for him democrats in iowa voted for him.

722 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:43:18am

re: #719 Occasional Reader

Sweet dreams, OR, may they all be about large breasted women. (Princess Bride, before anyone jumps on me)

723 arizona9  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:44:53am

They are still discussing it right now on MSNBC. Hold your nose and mute the troll Shrummy, but several on the panel are ripping Obama.

724 Spirit93  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:44:57am

Stole this from the links (ht Spellcheck), highly recommended:
OBAMA TELLS SAN FRANCISCO HE WILL BANKRUPT THE COAL INDUSTRY

Here's the LGF link page if you want to leave a comment:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/link/104313

725 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:46:19am

re: #715 Occasional Reader

I'm reminded of "Bloody T-Shirt Guy" for some reason. A long time ago someone suggested he should be the new "Che face".

726 NC State of Mind  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:46:30am

What in the bloody hell happened to Peggy Noonan?

The race, the case, a hope for grace.
The Wall Street Journal: October 29, 2008

The case for Barack Obama, in broad strokes:

He has within him the possibility to change the direction and tone of American foreign policy, which need changing; his rise will serve as a practical rebuke to the past five years, which need rebuking; his victory would provide a fresh start in a nation in which a fresh start would come as a national relief. He climbed steep stairs, born off the continent with no father to guide, a dreamy, abandoning mother, mixed race, no connections. He rose with guts and gifts. He is steady, calm, and, in terms of the execution of his political ascent, still the primary and almost only area in which his executive abilities can be discerned, he shows good judgment in terms of whom to hire and consult, what steps to take and moves to make. We witnessed from him this year something unique in American politics: He took down a political machine without raising his voice.

727 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:48:35am

She wen with Chris re: #726 NC State of Mind

She went with Chris (my dad was the real Conservative) Buckley and all the other elite Repubs into the KoolAde jungle.

728 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:50:26am

re: #708 yochanan

IRAN WITH A NUKE IS MY BIGGEST WORRY.


Me too.
Please wake up America!

729 ibmkeyboard  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:50:37am

re: #726 NC State of Mind

We witnessed from him this year something unique in American politics: He took down a political machine without raising his voice.


He had nothing to do with the Clinton machine.

We the people did that.

And his failure to pick Hillary shows his arrogance.

If not for the market meltdowns,
he would not even be close.

730 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:52:47am

re: #722 KB55

May you dream of large woman, not breasted.

/go to 08:30 on clip

731 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:54:00am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. The NYT runs this headline without any sense of history, irony - or what it actually means. There's a reason that Obama has to win states that President Bush won four years ago.

Bush won the election 4 years ago.

Kerry didn't.

That simple, seemingly insignificant fact to the NYT undermines the whole rationale for the story. Bush grabbed enough states with enough electoral votes to win. If Obama simply held on to the states that Kerry won in 2004 and nothing more, Obama loses.

Obama HAS to campaign in states that Bush won in 2004. It also means that McCain has to defend states that Bush won in 2004, because if he holds those states, HE wins.

732 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:54:07am

re: #730 BlueCanuckOops, sorry--you are correct; my apologies. But one goes with the other doesn't it?

733 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:54:14am

Anyone seen Cornell West on CNN.
The guy is totally wired - I can't believe he is for real.
If he doesn't convince the PUMAs and indies to vote McCain then noone can./

734 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:56:31am

re: #733 Spare O'Lake

Anyone seen Cornell West on CNN.
The guy is totally wired - I can't believe he is for real.
If he doesn't convince the PUMAs and indies to vote McCain then noone can./

Too much Kenyan roast?

735 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:57:17am
736 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:57:51am

re: #732 KB55

Hmmm, you are right there. But I can be a bit of a stickler for quotes. ;)

/especially since I mangle a few myself.

737 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:59:13am

re: #735 His Royal Highness

Shame on us!

I didn't sign up and start reading this site to be a soldier in an anti-intellectual party with no ideas for the future. I thought conservatism has ideas for making this country a better place, not simply re-stating failed ideas of the past. I certainly do not agree (and neither does Charles it seems) with party policy which states that the earth is less than 6000 years old. What, in G-d's name, has happened to our party?

Where pray tell does it state that in the RNC platform?

738 NC State of Mind  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:59:16am

re: #733 Spare O'Lake

Anyone seen Cornell West on CNN.
The guy is totally wired - I can't believe he is for real.
If he doesn't convince the PUMAs and indies to vote McCain then noone can./

Heh. Cornell West. I've seen him on Real Time with Bill Maher twice, most recently this past Friday night. He certainly is a weird, jumpy character, that's for sure.

On a side note, John Legend was on the panel with Cornell West and he was challenged that we do not need to redistribute wealth. He replied, that's the whole purpose of taxes, to redistribute money, that's why they were created.

John Legend and Cornell West together, why the hell did I watch that?

739 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:00:04am
740 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:00:57am

re: #735 His Royal Highness

Registered since: Dec 3, 2007 at 2:43 pm

No. of comments posted: 16
No. of links posted: 0


/*sniff sniff*

741 ibmkeyboard  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:01:19am
From a newspaper out west.
This paper has had a longstanding policy of not publishing letters-to-the-editor addressing political contests the day before and day of the election.
We are applying that same moratorium to comments on election stories beginning Sunday. We will apply the moratorium on older stories as well.
The rationale for the policy is two-fold: Give voters time to cool down and reflect on the choices they will make on Tuesday; and, avoid playing a role in influencing voters by posting possible false, last-minute attacks on candidates.
Thanks for your participation and don't forget to vote.

/interesting

742 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:01:28am

re: #736 BlueCanuck
As am I--still on my 1st pot of caffiene.

re: #735 His Royal Highness
Of what do you speak?

743 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:01:40am

re: #738 NC State of Mind

Heh. Cornell West. I've seen him on Real Time with Bill Maher twice, most recently this past Friday night. He certainly is a weird, jumpy character, that's for sure.

On a side note, John Legend was on the panel with Cornell West and he was challenged that we do not need to redistribute wealth. He replied, that's the whole purpose of taxes, to redistribute money, that's why they were created.

John Legend and Cornell West together, why the hell did I watch that?

I thought taxes were instituted to do things that individuals could not do alone, such as building infrastructure and supporting the modern military.

744 scion9  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:02:14am

re: #735 His Royal Highness

For the record while I actually do like some of your music, I have never purchased one of your albums, nor do I support your political ideology/methods, Moby.

745 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:02:15am

re: #740 BlueCanuck

Registered since: Dec 3, 2007 at 2:43 pm

No. of comments posted: 16
No. of links posted: 0


/*sniff sniff*

More like a Moby, trying to out-conservative us?

746 His Royal Highness  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:02:26am

re: #737 BlueCanuck

Too many members of our party state as this policy ( like Sarah Palin) or a variant of it. Doing so is unacceptable to me - it makes us look absurd and entirely bereft of new ideas. I cannot understand why this has come about - we used to be the party of new and fresh ideas and now we're mouthing the words of holy rollers. What has happened to us?

747 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:02:56am

re: #744 scion9

One measly second!

748 AuldTrafford  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:03:24am

re: #743 MandyManners

I thought taxes were instituted to do things that individuals could not do alone, such as building infrastructure and supporting the modern military.

Well, no one can redistribute all the wealth in this country by themselves, so what's the problem?

749 His Royal Highness  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:04:01am

re: #740 BlueCanuck

I rarely comment and don't mean to start a negative thread but I'm concerned about where we're going as a party.

750 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:04:06am

re: #748 AuldTrafford

Well, no one can redistribute all the wealth in this country by themselves, so what's the problem?

HA!

751 Spirit93  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:04:10am

re: #739 MandyManners

No. 1. Where in the GOP platform are anti-scientific, particularly that bit about the earth supposedly being 6,000 years old?

No. 2. What specifically has Palin said that shames you?

You forgot No. 3.
(Come on, we know you want to).

752 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:04:21am

re: #734 MandyManners

Too much Kenyan roast?

The guy looks, sounds and moves like he just spent the night with his tongue in a light socket.

753 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:04:22am

re: #746 His Royal Highness

Really? I find that hard to believe. Yes there is a SMALL group of YEC out there, but I hardly believe that they make up the majorty of the GOP. If you have facts proving this please show us. Other wise piss off.

754 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:04:49am

re: #744 scion9


You mean the great "Moby", that one?

Wooow!

/who the hell is he?
//some kid that does wierd music
/like Zappa?
//yeah, waaay ahead of his time, like 2525

755 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:05:42am

re: #749 His Royal Highness

Don't mean to start a negative thread? You the one dropping the turd in the punch bowl? Give it up.

756 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:06:23am

re: #746 His Royal Highness


Quit reading Koz & Huffie--she's never said anything about the earth being 6000 yrs old. Give me a link that quotes her.

757 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:06:58am

Is it just me? Or is there an unusual amount of scarce posters popping up all of a sudden?

/must be a full moon.

758 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:08:00am
759 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:08:27am

Funny, half it's comments posted were this morning. An awful lot of mobyism going on it looks like.

760 Spirit93  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:08:54am

re: #757 BlueCanuck

Is it just me? Or is there an unusual amount of scarce posters popping up all of a sudden?

/must be a full moon.

ding! ding! ding! ding! ding!
It's not the moon though.

761 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:09:05am

re: #750 MandyManners

MM, He forgets that's with a Filibuster-proof senate and Dem/Lib ocntrolled congress, BHO can pass any law that he wants. Who can stop a legal process of law-making? Expecially, when his first action will be reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine--we will have no voice!

762 alien_mind  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:09:36am

re: #744 scion9 a sleeper has awoken.

763 jorline  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:09:44am

re: #735 His Royal Highness

Sorry, I don't support wall flower, so called conservative, comments from people who pop out with two days left. Try contributing to LGF throughout the election process to gain any respect here...you appear to be part of the problem, not the solution. Back up your statements or wait another four months before posting again...I'm betting on a drive-by.

764 His Royal Highness  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:10:16am

re: #753 BlueCanuck

I'm truly sorry you want me to "piss off." I wanted to engage in a discussion here - one which is taking place in many conservative circles right now. I apologize if I said anything untoward this evening.

765 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:10:34am

re: #738 NC State of Mind

John Legend and Cornell West together, why the hell did I watch that?

I'm a masochist - what's your excuse?/

766 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:11:48am

re: #757 BlueCanuck

Sorry, BC, I find it hard to get in here during the week--things move so fast I haven't acquired the necessary ability in making sales calls and posting at the same time, but I do try to get in when I have time.

767 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:13:25am

re: #764 His Royal Highness

Give links to these Conservative Circles that are beating this up.

768 jorline  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:16:21am

Good morning, Blue...hope all is well for you today.

769 His Royal Highness  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:16:32am

re: #767 KB55

Sorry?

David Brooks

Brooks again.

770 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:17:19am

re: #757 BlueCanuck

Is it just me? Or is there an unusual amount of scarce posters popping up all of a sudden?
/must be a full moon.

Too many Hallowe'en treats?

771 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:17:53am

re: #690 laZardo

Wait...so the Obama-Ayers points are no longer valid?

/state of confusion, sorry...

Ahem - its the stupido attempt at text comparison, which not only is a waste of time, but, as you can see from the article I linked, a rather unscientific, if not dishonest attempt at linking those two.

For an outstainding example of how to do this properly, I refer you to Zomblog - see a few threads below!

772 alkmyst  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:19:32am

Just saw this, and it reverberated with me...

If America wants a black president, it would really be better if it was someone who is more like:

David Palmer from 24 (Honest, straight-up, man of action),

than like

Lando Calrissian from Empire Strikes Back (slick talker, sells out his friends for political gain)

773 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:20:20am

re: #769 His Royal Highness

Your links rest my case--Republican (NOT Conservative) Elite, he's gone with Chris & Peggy. Is there any place else?

774 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:20:25am

Morning mates! Is it really 8:20 EST? Seems later for some reason!

775 rancher  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:21:10am

Rustler back, work got quiet but i see nothing about hte world being only 6000years old in either of those 2 articles. I only saw that Palin represents older conservatism while McCain is a Hamiltonian Conservative.

776 Silhouette  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:21:36am

re: #774 LoFlyer

And I was up at 5 because the hubby swore we were leaving at 7am to drive to Georgia. Hubby is only just now in the shower.

So, I play on the intertubes.

777 yah  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:21:52am

DON'T give him the traffic: [Link: hrhnick.com...]

His favorite store is Abercrombie and Fitch. Hope his are wet right now.

778 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:22:28am

re: #772 alkmyst

Just saw this, and it reverberated with me...

If America wants a black president, it would really be better if it was someone who is more like:

David Palmer from 24 (Honest, straight-up, man of action),

than like

Lando Calrissian from Empire Strikes Back (slick talker, sells out his friends for political gain)

Haar mate! Lando came through when the chips were down! He knew what he was doing was wrong and made amends. No one is perfect, expecially me!

779 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:23:13am

re: #776 Silhouette

And I was up at 5 because the hubby swore we were leaving at 7am to drive to Georgia. Hubby is only just now in the shower.

So, I play on the intertubes.


Where you headed to in Georgia, mate?

780 buzzdroid  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:24:05am

britain is broke.
and our prime minister has gone begging to the Saudis

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

781 ThingFish  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:25:20am

re: #772 alkmyst

It's amazing how much life advice one could get from a movie series...

782 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:25:49am

re: #775 rancher

Rustler back, work got quiet but i see nothing about hte world being only 6000years old in either of those 2 articles. I only saw that Palin represents older conservatism while McCain is a Hamiltonian Conservative.


Morning Rustler! Like what do you do, hit your dad over the head and take over his keyboard? It will be really interesting on Wednesday morning when the vote is decided!

783 yesandno  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:25:49am

re: #50 sngnsgt

Found this @ DU:

Palin as President

Loved the click on the center window'--"Where's Russia?" And Joe the Curtain, Joe the Chair, etc...

But she looks good, looks really good!

LOL

784 Silhouette  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:25:58am

re: #779 LoFlyer

Gainesville. But we're just in TN, so not much of a drive. Trying to decide if we want to go over the Smokies (to see the color) or take "The Dragon."

785 His Royal Highness  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:26:43am

re: #773 KB55

I'm confused. Anyone who disagrees with your opinion is no longer a conservative? Brooks has been with the movement for the past 25 years - he's not now simply abandoning the party.

Again - what is happening to us that when we try to engage in discussion the conversation is ended? How does this benefit anyone?

786 3 wood  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:27:20am

Obama says he didn't know aunt's illegal status

Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama said Saturday he didn't know his aunt was living in the United States illegally and believes that laws covering the situation should be followed.

The Associated Press found that Obama's aunt had been instructed to leave the country four years ago by an immigration judge who rejected her request for asylum from her native Kenya. The woman, Zeituni Onyango (zay-TUHN on-YANG-oh), is living in public housing in Boston and is the half-sister of Obama's late father.

A statement given to the AP by Obama's campaign said, ''Senator Obama has no knowledge of her status but obviously believes that any and all appropriate laws be followed.''


B. Hussein Obama also has no knowledge of his Reverend and spiritual advisor for 20 years being a racist anti-Semite and no knowledge of Bill Ayers being an unrepentant terrorist who killed people. He also has no knowledge of how to share his own wealth and help out his own family.

B. Hussein Obama does, however, have knowledge of how to take your wealth and give it to his supporters.

787 rancher  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:27:59am

Hell with this we need to write in a pirate with a ninja as his VP. And a Cyborg pirate ninja as Sec. Def. Then the entire world will be to scared to even think of messing with us. Rustler trying for wackjob theory of the year. Yar and if ya disagree ill keel haul you and hang you out to dry from your toes by the mizzen mast.

788 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:28:20am

re: #766 KB55

Nah, not talking about you. Threads in general over the past month.

789 jorline  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:28:27am

re: #769 His Royal Highness

Sorry?

David Brooks

Brooks again.

David Brooks and his oped's in the New York Times is the support for your argument? Brooks use to lean to the right, but it appears he has tilted to the left of late. Probably when his view on the Iraq war changed.

David Brooks

David Brooks's column has appeared on the Op-Ed page of The New York Times since September 2003. He is also currently a commentator on "The Newshour with Jim Lehrer." Mr. Brooks is the author of "Bobos In Paradise: The New Upper Class and How They Got There" and “On Paradise Drive : How We Live Now (And Always Have) in the Future Tense,” both published by Simon & Schuster.

790 yah  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:28:35am

re: #772 alkmyst


David Palmer from 24 (Honest, straight-up, man of action),

But the First lady was a real nightmare.

791 alien_mind  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:28:44am

re: #769 His Royal Highness
care to try again?
I see no mention in these links to a party policy that states that the world is 6000 years old.

792 rancher  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:29:34am

Lol he leaves his account logged in occasionally and is bad enough with passwords that he leaves em about occasionally. Just waiting on the next open border day on LFG to grab my own nic : )

793 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:29:39am

re: #783 yesandno

Loved the click on the center window'--"Where's Russia?" And Joe the Curtain, Joe the Chair, etc...

But she looks good, looks really good!

LOL


Looks a hell of lot better than Biden, mate! And makes a lot more sense to boot. I get a hoot at some web site claiming to test your IQ, they have Biden at 146 and Palin at 116. Poor advertising for their site to say the least, mates!

794 ThingFish  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:29:41am

re: #786 3 wood

I think that he's shallow enough to not really look at anything deeply. Therefore, coasting along the coattails of others and developing incredible auditory skills to talk around any uncomfortable issue.

795 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:29:47am

re: #768 jorline

Moby's and trolls oh my. :)

/putting a stock up in the Super Secret Fridge™ for the lean times ahead.

796 alkmyst  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:30:11am

re: #778 LoFlyer


Haar mate! Lando came through when the chips were down! He knew what he was doing was wrong and made amends. No one is perfect, expecially me!

Well, if 0bama does win, I would hope to God he makes amends...

797 yah  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:30:13am

re: #785 His Royal Highness

Don't you need to go shopping for some new underware?

798 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:30:39am

re: #784 Silhouette

Gainesville. But we're just in TN, so not much of a drive. Trying to decide if we want to go over the Smokies (to see the color) or take "The Dragon."


441 through the Smokies mate! Well worth the time!

799 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:31:04am

re: #797 yah

Don't you need to go shopping for some new underware?

I hope it runs out of Cheetos soon.

800 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:31:07am

re: #780 buzzdroid

britain is broke.
and our prime minister has gone begging to the Saudis

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Don't forget to mention that half of what they give him (heh, this is a personal estimate!) will go on the gold-plated pensions for civil servants - the rest will be distributed between the CEOs of failed banks which Gord has taken over, so they can ahve their bonuses, and Africa.

Btw - earlier this year he gave 8oo million £££ as help to India, which is running their own space programme ...

801 alkmyst  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:31:18am

re: #781 ThingFish

I'm a product of th TV Generation :-)

802 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:32:00am

re: #787 rancher

Hell with this we need to write in a pirate with a ninja as his VP. And a Cyborg pirate ninja as Sec. Def. Then the entire world will be to scared to even think of messing with us. Rustler trying for wackjob theory of the year. Yar and if ya disagree ill keel haul you and hang you out to dry from your toes by the mizzen mast.

LOL, mate! To many skeletons in the closet to pursue politics!

803 3 wood  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:32:31am

Here's some good news about the media:

Santa Rosa Press Democrat to cut newsroom jobs

SANTA ROSA, Calif.--- The Press Democrat of Santa Rosa is cutting 16 jobs, including 10 newsroom positions, to reduce expenses amid declining advertising and a deteriorating economy.

Publisher Bruce Kyse told employees Friday that the newspaper could not support as many employees because of the decline of classified advertising and the loss of retail advertisers such as Mervyns and Linens 'n Things.

After the cutbacks, the newsroom will have about 70 positions, down about 30 percent from its high four years ago.

The Press Democrat is owned by The New York Times Co.

804 alkmyst  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:32:42am

re: #790 yah

But the First lady was a real nightmare.

Does she remind you at all of Michelle 0bama?

805 Wishing  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:33:34am

re: #667 Geepers

First off, thank you for serving your community. Secondly, how can Americans be taken in by this hypocritical charlatan?
That thin blue line is protecting his skinny arse.
I despise this man fairy.

806 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:33:46am

re: #785 His Royal Highness

I'm confused. Anyone who disagrees with your opinion is no longer a conservative? Brooks has been with the movement for the past 25 years - he's not now simply abandoning the party.

Again - what is happening to us that when we try to engage in discussion the conversation is ended? How does this benefit anyone?

Well, it seems he and others are "abonding" the party when they succumb to the KoolAde side of the arguement. And as noted above, here still is no substance to your 6000 year BS. The Conservatives of the party are still with the movement--the Repucblican elite want the 2000 McCain with Leiberman for the moderate vote--those are not Conservatives.

807 3 wood  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:33:48am

re: #794 ThingFish

I think that he's shallow enough to not really look at anything deeply. Therefore, coasting along the coattails of others and developing incredible auditory skills to talk around any uncomfortable issue.

He's likle Sgt. Schultz of Hogan's Heroes. He know nothing. And his worshipers in the MSM support him in this delusion.

808 yah  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:34:07am

re: #804 alkmyst

Does she remind you at all of Michelle 0bama?

Way too much.

809 Wishing  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:34:18am

re: #784 Silhouette

Gainesville. But we're just in TN, so not much of a drive. Trying to decide if we want to go over the Smokies (to see the color) or take "The Dragon."

I am in the Smokies, and it is GORGEOUS!

810 jorline  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:34:40am

re: #803 3 wood

Here's some good news about the media:

Santa Rosa Press Democrat to cut newsroom jobs

Morning, 3 wood...it would appear liberal rags are feeling growth pains coast to coast.

811 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:34:47am

re: #804 alkmyst

Does she remind you at all of Michelle 0bama?

Teeheehee - perhaps Michelle has studied her to learn how she should behave as First Lady!

812 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:35:26am

re: #796 alkmyst

Well, if 0bama does win, I would hope to God he makes amends...

No chance of that mate! He will create his internal security service and proceed from there with the media suppresing all dissent just like they hammered poor Joe Plumber. Notice the treatment of Obama'a aunt compared to poor Plumber.

813 rancher  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:36:17am

Rofl Obama as SHultz. Thats a graet image he truely is shultz' foil in the looks department but comparing him to shultz in the brains dept is just being mean to poor Shultzy.

814 loppyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:36:33am

Good Morning, Lizard Nation!

Had a great time making calls for the McCain campaign up in NH yesterday.

There were about 30 people per shift which is very impressive for a rural campaign office.

My favorite call: A call to a man whose wife answers the phone. I asked to speak with him, he wasn't home so I told her who I was and why I was calling, etc. etc. She said he is a life-long Republican and will be voting McCain. Same with her son and same for her daughter who is voting for the first time this year. Then she tells me she is a life-long DEMOCRAT and she is VOTING McCAIN!
I think there are a lot of people just like her.

815 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:37:04am

re: #813 rancher

Actually, the MSM is Schultz

816 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:37:24am

re: #809 Wishing

I am in the Smokies, and it is GORGEOUS!

Where are you hangin' mate?

817 rancher  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:38:22am

Obama as Shultz was 3 woods idea its just when i read it i had a flash right outta Hogan's Heroes with obama getting yelled at.

818 yah  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:38:48am

re: #814 loppyd

Thank You for your work.

819 His Royal Highness  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:39:28am

re: #797 yah

This is shameful. I'm a long-time Republican and a conservative. I cannot understand why, when bringing up an issue that is percolating through our party and will surface very publicly next weekend when we have a meeting of conservatives after the election, I'm being scapegoated here. This is really disturbing.

820 scion9  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:39:32am

re: #773 KB55

Your links rest my case--Republican (NOT Conservative) Elite, he's gone with Chris & Peggy. Is there any place else?

What is worse is that Brooks' stance is based on the position of the electorate (as based on polls) and his own position within an inadequately defined political spectrum. The country has shifted to the left apparently and he can't deal with himself being on the 'far right'. There is no principled belief in such a stance. Rejecting your own positions in response to the actions of your opposition is the very definition of reactionary, even if it is being done in the ironic attempt to avoid just such a label.

Personally, I'd rather be a 'moderate' in a country that had an even division between a range of political philosophies. I am however perfectly comfortable being a 'wingnut' instead, should the political winds shift to such a degree that I am made into one by the very virtue of sticking to my laurels.

821 Geepers  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:39:44am

His Royal Highness says:

I'm truly sorry you want me to "piss off." I wanted to engage in a discussion here - one which is taking place in many conservative circles right now.

Three moby clichés in two sentences.

Pretty good.

822 Wishing  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:39:47am

re: #816 LoFlyer

Where are you hangin' mate?

I am over in NE TN, Appalachian Trail runs though my county.

823 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:40:13am

re: #817 rancher

Obama as Shultz was 3 woods idea its just when i read it i had a flash right outta Hogan's Heroes with obama getting yelled at.

Obama is no Shultz, he is not the "commen man" but I can definately see some Col. Klink in him!

824 ziggyelman  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:40:49am

re: #800 yma o hyd

Don't forget to mention that half of what they give him (heh, this is a personal estimate!) will go on the gold-plated pensions for civil servants - the rest will be distributed between the CEOs of failed banks which Gord has taken over, so they can ahve their bonuses, and Africa.

Btw - earlier this year he gave 8oo million £££ as help to India, which is running their own space programme ...

Just amazing. The kind of crap we will see from Obama, only moreso.
This article is from the BBC, and they also mention...

The PM visited the "correctional" centre, on the outskirts of the capital Riyadh, where inmates are encouraged to re-engage with mainstream Saudi society through religious and psychological education.

The men Mr Brown spoke to are suspected of backing terrorist organisations, not being directly responsible for violent acts.

The BBC's James Landale, who is travelling with Mr Brown, said it was a highly unusual moment for a world leader to come face to face with terrorist suspects.

825 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:41:16am

re: #822 Wishing

I am over in NE TN, Appalachian Trail runs though my county.

Wish I was there, mate!

826 Wishing  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:41:16am

re: #823 LoFlyer

Obama is no Shultz, he is not the "commen man" but I can definately see some Col. Klink in him!

ZACKLY!

827 alkmyst  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:41:39am

re: #811 yma o hyd

It definitely seems that way...


Ok - time to start the work day!

Later Lizards!

828 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:42:45am

re: #820 scion9


Scion--AMEN!

it's called stickin' to your guns...well, as long as we have them

829 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:43:11am

re: #827 alkmyst

It definitely seems that way...


Ok - time to start the work day!

Later Lizards!

Later Alky!

830 rancher  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:43:22am

Lol actually in the image flashing before my Eyes Michelle was in the position of Klink.

And HRH your not getting Scapegoated you made an outrageous claim about Conservatives believing earth was 6000 years old and Palin beleived it yet when asked to provide some proof to substantiate your claim you produced fluff. This rightly earns you the flaming you received.

831 alien_mind  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:43:31am

I'd say Obama is the vain incompetent Col Klink, and the no-nothing see-nothing MSM is Sgt. Schultz.

832 loppyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:44:02am

re: #818 yah

Thank You for your work.

You don't need to thank me - I wish I could do more.

833 His Royal Highness  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:44:02am

re: #806 KB55

So David Brooks is "abonding" the party now? This guy is an amazing voice and intellect for our party - his concerns raise serious and profound questions about the direction of the party. I was hoping to start a discussion here about those issue - not to be dismissed entirely.

834 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:44:13am

re: #829 LoFlyer

Later Alky!


Maybe that came out wrong mates! sorry Alkmyst!

835 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:45:11am

re: #831 alien_mind

I'd say Obama is the vain incompetent Col Klink, and the no-nothing see-nothing MSM is Sgt. Schultz.

I agree with you on that mate!

836 yah  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:45:48am

re: #819 His Royal Highness

You're lying.

This is my last post to you.

837 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:45:50am

re: #833 His Royal Highness

So David Brooks is "abonding" the party now? This guy is an amazing voice and intellect for our party - his concerns raise serious and profound questions about the direction of the party. I was hoping to start a discussion here about those issue - not to be dismissed entirely.

Intellect--there you go--sounding like the elitist that he (Brooks) is--"Intellect" is used for those not deemed smart enough to know their betters.

838 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:45:52am

re: #823 LoFlyer

"I know nussing! NUSSING!"

839 His Royal Highness  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:45:52am

re: #820 scion9

I appreciate your response - it helps me to understand the position of those who oppose Brooks in a way I didn't previously. Again - thank you.

840 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:45:54am

re: #824 ziggyelman

Just amazing. The kind of crap we will see from Obama, only moreso.
This article is from the BBC, and they also mention...

The PM visited the "correctional" centre, on the outskirts of the capital Riyadh, where inmates are encouraged to re-engage with mainstream Saudi society through religious and psychological education.

The men Mr Brown spoke to are suspected of backing terrorist organisations, not being directly responsible for violent acts.

The BBC's James Landale, who is travelling with Mr Brown, said it was a highly unusual moment for a world leader to come face to face with terrorist suspects.

Just so - thats what iv'e been saying here ever since I made it through an open door!

As to the BBC report - gawd, Gord is an embarrassment, but there again, nothing as embarrassing as B0 will be if you let him get into the White House.

841 runrabbitrun  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:46:50am

re: #814 loppyd


There were about 30 people per shift which is very impressive for a rural campaign office.

My favorite call: A call to a man whose wife answers the phone. I asked to speak with him, he wasn't home so I told her who I was and why I was calling, etc. etc. She said he is a life-long Republican and will be voting McCain. Same with her son and same for her daughter who is voting for the first time this year. Then she tells me she is a life-long DEMOCRAT and she is VOTING McCAIN!
I think there are a lot of people just like her.

Good Sunday morning loppyd and unstoppable lizard kingdom! I noticed the same dynamic Thursday night when I returned to blue NJ - discovered that the vast majority of my Dem neighbors were voting Republican, many for the first time in their lives.

I agree with lawhawk - it's not really so glum as the left is working hard to have you think. The left is relying on these principle dynamics to take the White House:

The timing of a national financial crisis to influence independent
voters and moderate Republicans.

Activating formerly unreliable voting demographics (inner city/historically left-identifying college and youth) with an irresistible, energizing candidate.

Depressing traditional Republican and Conservative turnout with a media
driven 'unstoppable force' poll narrative.

But there are realities that the media has NOT been reporting:

Historically, voter turnout in this country has been dismally low - often around 50%. The U.S. leans center-right. If large numbers of these traditional center-right unreliable voters are energized rather than depressed, their ballots will far surpass any potential numbers of all of the left-leaning demographic potentials (inner city/youth) that will cast first-time ballots.

The left-leaning college and youth vote has been greatly exaggerated and
emphasized in MSM profiling, while the large numbers of moderate and
conservative college/youth voters who will cast their first ballots has
been virtually unrepresented in the press, greatly reinforcing (and to a
good extent creating) the 'Obama inevitability' scenario saturating the
airwaves.

The untold truth and bottom line of this election, which the MSM is
desperately trying to suppress, is that if large numbers of traditional,
center-right previously non-voting citizens cast a ballot on Tuesday, they will swamp the smaller percentages of inner city/youth voters which the Dems are trying to move to the polls. They will swamp the fraudulent Acorn vote. That's why it is so vital for McCain supporters to try to get the vote out, both at GOP headquarters on election day, and by encouraging our friends, family and neighbors to GET TO THE POLLS!

842 rancher  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:47:14am

HRH starting a discussion is no problem but you made a claim, were asked to back it up, and the backup had no relevance to the claim you initially made. Then when it was pointed out you got overly defensive started whining and became nothing more than entertainment for me and likely others on the thread.

843 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:47:17am

re: #819 His Royal Highness

Hmmm, where did I run across this before? Oh yeah, here it is.

/beyond moby I am thinking troll.

844 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:47:24am

re: #838 laZardo

"I know nussing! NUSSING!"

I repeat that to 'meself every day! Haaar!

845 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:47:32am

re: #836 yah


If he's going to that "party" then we know the OCnservative wing of the Republicans is totally screwed!

846 jorline  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:48:26am

re: #819 His Royal Highness

This is shameful. I'm a long-time Republican and a conservative. I cannot understand why, when bringing up an issue that is percolating through our party and will surface very publicly next weekend when we have a meeting of conservatives after the election, I'm being scapegoated here. This is really disturbing.

HRH, with all due respect. Don't act like you've been shunned by your "fellow lizards" when you rarely comment here. If you visited more often and followed the threads over the last six months you wouldn't be so surprised by the response you're receiving.

847 loppyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:48:45am

re: #822 Wishing

I am over in NE TN, Appalachian Trail runs though my county.

My dad recently moved to NC - near Maggie Valley. Says it's breathtaking.

848 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:49:07am

re: #833 His Royal Highness

Mr. Brooks? Is that you?

//

849 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:49:44am

re: #839 His Royal Highness

I appreciate your response - it helps me to understand the position of those who oppose Brooks in a way I didn't previously. Again - thank you.

Haven't been keeping up with the debate mates, but if HRH is a troll he is the politest since Nodrog!

850 yesandno  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:49:45am

re: #769 His Royal Highness

Sorry?

David Brooks

Brooks again.

This is still a sort of Platonic love on the part of Brooks...Elites to the left of me, Elites to the right, and it is the intellectual elite who should govern because of the very nature of that elite intellect.

Bologna...common sense from the common man is often overlooked because it doesn't appear to be "learned" but rather "acquired" outside of academia. And yet, it is often the tool for insight, decision-making, future planning. It usually is developed out of some understanding of the past, culled to it's important center, then used to develop future decisions. It can be all logical and more effective since once learned, it can be applied quickly without having the hem and haw.

We should all be educated, we should all strive to learn more about the world. But we must be grounded in what is real and possible not in what is hoped for or what is chosen for us by others. My experience has been that common sense asks more questions then does elitism. Consequently the answers of a common sense philosophy often do more to solve problems then create them.

851 His Royal Highness  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:50:02am

re: #843 BlueCanuck

Me defending my thesis makes me a 'troll?"

852 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:50:28am

re: #841 runrabbitrun

Totally agree - and today and tomorrow can still be gainfully employed in getting the vote out, in convincing all those who usually think they don't need to bother to vote to get their backsides off their chairs and vote!

853 Geepers  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:51:14am

His Royal Highness says:

So David Brooks is "abonding" the party now? This guy is an amazing voice and intellect for our party - his concerns raise serious and profound questions about the direction of the party.

You really do need to be more "nuanced".

Also you said:

I wanted to engage in a discussion here - one which is taking place in many conservative circles right now.

Apparently in His Royal Highness' world "many conservative circles" = David Brooks.

854 loppyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:51:21am

re: #841 runrabbitrun

That's why it is so vital for McCain supporters to try to get the vote out, both at GOP headquarters on election day, and by encouraging our friends, family and neighbors to GET TO THE POLLS!

That was the main point of the calls yesterday and in the coming days. I was working off a friendly list of those who voted Republican in '04.

855 3 wood  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:51:45am

re: #810 jorline

Morning, 3 wood...it would appear liberal rags are feeling growth pains coast to coast.

Well, they have no integrity or honesty left. The MSM is a joke.

I think their big hope is that the Fairness Doctrine will be reinstituted.

856 aussiemagpie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:52:28am

re: #840 yma o hyd

Just so - thats what iv'e been saying here ever since I made it through an open door!

As to the BBC report - gawd, Gord is an embarrassment, but there again, nothing as embarrassing as B0 will be if you let him get into the White House.

Hello from Sydney!

Embarassing? We have our own fumbling bumbling ego driven liar here

PM Kevin Rudd in trouble for opening his BIG mouth, not engaging SMALL brain

have ongoing consequences for relationships between the two countries.

Details of the caTHE leaking of a sensitive phone call between Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and US President George W. Bush, and inaccuracies about what was said, will ll, a pre-arranged conversation to discuss the global financial crisis, were broken eight days ago on the front page of The Weekend Australian, but have since been denied by White House sources.

After the call, on the evening of Friday, October 10, Mr Rudd reportedly told guests he had insisted to Mr Bush that the G-20 was the appropriate vehicle to co-ordinate a response to the ongoing crisis affecting world markets.

"What's the G-20?'' Mr Bush reportedly replied.

That remark, and the notion Mr Bush had not already been considering the G-20's role have been denied by a US national security official who monitored the 30-minute conversation

We are suffering because a few voters wanted CHANGE!

857 3 wood  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:52:38am

re: #853 Geepers

Apparently in His Royal Highness' world "many conservative circles" = David Brooks.

If it walks like a moby and talks like a moby, it's a moby.

858 His Royal Highness  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:52:40am

re: #846 jorline

Thanks for your response - I just graduated with my MA so I've not had the time to comment recently. I probably jumped in during a time when the majority of readers/posters are hyper-sensitive to people lurking - I didn't think about that before posting and most likely should have.

859 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:52:47am

re: #850 yesandno

Well said indeed!

860 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:53:54am

re: #851 His Royal Highness

Troll, moby, what's the difference. Considering most of your comments seem to come today. Saying that the Republican party is espousing YEC as a party platform. Then the only links proving this come from a writer for the New York Slimes. What would you think? And as the link I posted ↑ has you defending your "conservative credentials" I think you are left of center.

/none of us here who are conservative have had to defend our credentials.
//facts maybe but we usually have them to back us up.

861 bcgirl  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:53:57am

good morning lizards -- just in from the papers noticed lots of McCain Palin signs missing from where they have been but all the obama are still there, i will be replacing the McCain ones tonight, and have half a mind to go to the obama place and get me some of them so i can paint a big red no on them and place them next to the McCains that were stolen,,

862 Tigger2005  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:54:33am
The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

— Niels Bohr

Haste makes waste.

He who hesitates is lost!

863 Tigger2005  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:55:15am

re: #861 bcgirl

good morning lizards -- just in from the papers noticed lots of McCain Palin signs missing from where they have been but all the obama are still there, i will be replacing the McCain ones tonight, and have half a mind to go to the obama place and get me some of them so i can paint a big red no on them and place them next to the McCains that were stolen,,

No, you don't want to give any money to the Obama campaign. Just buy posterboard & make your own.

864 His Royal Highness  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:55:54am

re: #850 yesandno

Hey thanks for your response. This is all a bit of a learning process for me and I always appreciate reading the different perspectives of fellow conservatives as I attempt to understand the direction in which our party is headed. Thanks for your reasoned and intelligent response.

865 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:56:20am

re: #852 yma o hyd

Totally agree - and today and tomorrow can still be gainfully employed in getting the vote out, in convincing all those who usually think they don't need to bother to vote to get their backsides off their chairs and vote!

Gotta make up for the thousands of incompetant homeless bussed, registered and voted courtesy of the socialists who believe that that the military voters should be dropped in favor of their incompetant clientelle! I thank all who have volunteered for the cause mates! I did my part with 14 hours comp time last weekend! I get compensated for my work mates! You don't! 'Me hats off to 'ye!

866 Wishing  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:56:42am

re: #847 loppyd

My dad recently moved to NC - near Maggie Valley. Says it's breathtaking.

Yup, it sure is. I am about 30 miles from Maggie Valley.
And temp will be 70 today, so perfect for enjoying the scenery. And not a cloud in the sky.

867 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:57:00am

re: #841 runrabbitrun

Thanks. A few further points. The Obama campaign is relying on the African American community, which overwhelmingly votes Democratic every election anyways. Any uptick in their participation rate will have only a marginal effect on the outcome since those areas usually go D anyway.

Obama also hopes for the youth vote, but again, those voters are notoriously unreliable to actually get out and vote. Remember Obama girl? She was a big hit early in the primary season, and yet never bothered to actually vote in the primaries. Couldn't find the time. Or her polling place.

As I noted above, McCain is portrayed on the defensive because he's trying to protect states Bush won in 2004. The media glosses over that fact because if McCain does hold those states, he wins. If McCain takes states in addition to those Bush won in 2004, he wins. He could even trade a couple of states, and still win.

The polling this year, as with prior years, is absolutely miserable and misleading. There's no way you get so many damned swings in polling unless the pollsters are fudging the figures to suit their constituents (which isn't the voter, but the media outlets paying for them). Oversampling Democrats is a time honed tradition, and if you look at places like NJ, they claim that it's going far and away for Obama. Gee, what a surprise there when Democrats outnumber Republicans 2-1. Same with the NYC metro area (but the rest of the state of NY is surprisingly Republican, conservative). Rest assured, the actual vote (not the exit polls, which should be ignored) will be a whole lot closer, and a whole lot more uncomfortable than the media could even begin to imagine.

The polling companies invariably will have to explain what went wrong and why; and rest assured that racism will be the number one excuse. Bitterness and clingyness will be a distant second and third. Obama's economic redistribution will barely rate, even though it is the real reason that so many dislike him.

868 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:57:46am

re: #843 BlueCanuck

Hmmm, where did I run across this before? Oh yeah, here it is.

/beyond moby I am thinking troll.

I hope Stinky will be checking IPs. Good catch.

869 Geepers  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:58:09am

His Royal Highness says:

This is shameful. I'm a long-time Republican and a conservative.

And a conservative? Wow.

I cannot understand why, when bringing up an issue that is percolating through our party

You're not even trying.

and will surface very publicly next weekend when we have a meeting of conservatives

Oh, scary.

after the election,

After the election?

I'm being scapegoated here.

Aww. Hey everybody His Royal Highness needs a group {hug}.

This is really disturbing.

Or amusing, depending on your point of view.

870 JacksonTn  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:58:17am

Good Morning Lizards ...

Send this to your PA friends and family ...or anyone

Senator Government will bankrupt Coal Industry ...via Hillbuzz ..

871 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:58:45am

re: #856 aussiemagpie

Gawd - thats deeply embarrassing, you're right.

Looks as if your PM has ingested far too many LLL media articles which describe GWB as dumb cowboy, and probably thought he'd get away with this remark.
I hope he cringes perpetually until Jan20th, 2009!

(Sorry to hear the ABs took the Bledisloe Cup from your hands ... we'll try and see if we can take them down a peg, for you ...!)

872 alien_mind  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:59:09am

re: #851 His Royal Highness

Me defending my thesis makes me a 'troll?"


your thesis belongs in The National Topsider, alongside the works of T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII

873 His Royal Highness  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:59:46am

re: #860 BlueCanuck

Thanks "Blue Canuk" for your comment. Which, if I'm not mistaken, means "Conservative Canadian" because blue is the color of the Conservative party in Canada and "canuk" is understood to be Canadian. It's an interesting time when a "conservative Canadian" is in the position to judge me and my political opinions, but I'll leave that as it is.

874 loppyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:00:10am

Howie Carr:
Five Reasons to Vote Against Obama

We could certainly add to Howie's list...

875 bcgirl  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:00:18am

hey neocon hippie,, will look for you today at McCain headquarters next to the Atlantis, and will email you later, keeping my nic blue for you today too, if you see a white hyundai with women for mccain sticker, say no to bo, send harry to searchlight and nevada basketball on the back, blond lady driving,, that's me!

876 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:01:14am

Hey good morning all y'all - from a coolish (52 degrees going up to 73 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
Today the Geek Squad guy is supposed to come and back up my doc's, install new Mother board, new CDW,
and new HD.
However, since Gateway hasn't yet sent me (or I haven't received) the Restore CD, for this Windows XP Home Media Edition, I doubt that he'll be able to do anything at all.
Sigh.
Anyway, how are y'all doing this morning?

877 Geepers  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:01:16am

Morning 3 wood.

Later all. Off to another 11 hour day of roofing.

Play nice, ... or not.

;-)

878 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:01:32am

re: #853 Geepers

Brooks is the token conservative in the overwhelmingly leftist NYT op-ed circle. He's by no means a staunch conservative, but what you would most likely call a Rockefeller conservative. It's the NY brand of conservatism that the Times is amenable to - instead of the usual 100-1 attack pieces against a true conservative, the running rate would be 50-1.

There are many elites within the Beltway, Brooks included, who are hoping to have a voice should Obama take office. They want to be policy drivers and hope to have a seat at the table. That's why people like Colin Powell, Peggy Noonan and Buckley's son are off the reservation. They aren't pushing a conservative agenda, but rather their own.

That, distilled to its essence, is the reason to discount what Noonan, Powell, Brooks, and Buckley have said on this election. They've put their own self interest ahead of the ideas of conservatism.

879 ziggyelman  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:01:39am

re: #867 lawhawk

Very well put! I think the biggest problem we have is not getting more Latin voters...I guess they are going to vote for Obama since he is he's person of color(I guess pink skin ain't a color?) But, they really should be voting for the Pro-Life, socially conservative guy, not the Chosen one. Voters remorse down the road won't do us much good til 2010, 2012, and by then it will be too late(at least with the courts)

880 bcgirl  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:01:50am

re: #863 Tigger2005

No, you don't want to give any money to the Obama campaign. Just buy posterboard & make your own.


you have to pay for the obama ones? really, not the mccain ones, at least i have not as yet and i have a bunch,

881 3 wood  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:02:37am

re: #876 realwest

Anyway, how are y'all doing this morning?

Doing fine.

Any thoughts on the Giants game today?

882 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:02:59am

Good morning LGF friends.

Good morning Highness, I left a response to you at the end of the last thread but since you are here, I will repost it.

re: #742 His Royal Highness

What is happening with the Republican party? Anti-science and anti-truth. This is not the conservative party to which I signed up. We need to purge these people or risk being a minority party forever.

Talks of purging people out of The Party for 'thought crimes' make me very nervous in the current political climate. Let's not go there, shall we ?

883 loppyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:03:12am

re: #866 Wishing

Yup, it sure is. I am about 30 miles from Maggie Valley.
And temp will be 70 today, so perfect for enjoying the scenery. And not a cloud in the sky.

Sounds perfect!

It's bright and sunny here on Boston's North Shore, but it's freezing!

884 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:03:23am

re: #865 LoFlyer

Gotta make up for the thousands of incompetant homeless bussed, registered and voted courtesy of the socialists who believe that that the military voters should be dropped in favor of their incompetant clientelle! I thank all who have volunteered for the cause mates! I did my part with 14 hours comp time last weekend! I get compensated for my work mates! You don't! 'Me hats off to 'ye!

Whatever happens on Tueday, one thing is for sure - the Animal Kingdom, as represented by Lizards and PUMAs, will have done their utmost to get McCain into the White House.

Nobody can ask for more than people to give their best - and where people have given even more than their best, no shame can be attached to a defeat.
Not that I think there will be one!

885 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:04:14am

re: #873 His Royal Highness

Your spelling is atrocious. And yes I am judging you by your words and (in)action today and previous. People know me here and have probably judged me on my actions. Now do you want me to show my credentials?

886 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:05:06am

re: #877 Geepers

Why play nice?

/like rough housing on occassion. :)

887 His Royal Highness  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:05:11am

re: #882 mama winger

I apologize for the use of the word "purge." You're correct.

888 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:05:40am

re: #876 realwest

More scared than normal. Several hundred posts about my financial aid situation starting at #594, and also about the possibility of an Obama administration as a whole.

889 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:05:42am

re: #879 ziggyelman

On that front, the McCain campaign actually may surprise. His stance on immigration, while opposed by most conservatives and most Americans, would appeal to many Latinos and Hispanics as it provides what he calls a path to citizenship (I call it amnesty and a short circuiting of the lawful path to citizenship that millions of people have chosen over the decades with much success).

890 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:05:44am

re: #879 ziggyelman

Very well put! I think the biggest problem we have is not getting more Latin voters...I guess they are going to vote for Obama since he is he's person of color(I guess pink skin ain't a color?) But, they really should be voting for the Pro-Life, socially conservative guy, not the Chosen one. Voters remorse down the road won't do us much good til 2010, 2012, and by then it will be too late(at least with the courts)

Latinos are overwhelmingly pro-life. Many of them are seeing Obama's stance on pro-death (and I mean that word precisely) and recoiling from the Democratic ticket. The election could very well hinge upon Catholics and the PUMAs.

891 arizona9  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:05:45am

re: wtc394

Either keep your gloom/doom to yourself or enter something constructive into the conversation.

If you want to believe all the polls are wrong, go right ahead. Someone asked a question and I answered it. I sure as hell won't keep my opinion to myself to make you happy. Do I hope they are all wrong? Yes. I simply said it doesn't look good. Your reaction makes me believe you are much more doomy and gloomy than you will admit. And, I didn't say the article was unreliable. I said I didn't know-another poster said it was reliable. Look it up yourself, it should be easy enough to find.

It's really simple. If you want to be positive, be positive. There is ZERO upside in being negative or worrying about the outcome between now and the time the polls close on Tuesday -- unless you're one of those people who needs fear to motivate them to take effective action.

Needs fear to motivate them? Wtf? And for the love of...I simply said it doesn't look good. And, I can't force myself to be positive by sticking my head in the ground and denying that the polls look bad. Is it closer than they look due to unreliable weekend polls as some have suggested? Maybe, I hope so. But, people, stop freaking out every time someone simply states, and mildly so, that it doesn't look good. Jesus.

892 ziggyelman  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:05:48am

re: #870 JacksonTn

Good Morning Lizards ...

Send this to your PA friends and family ...or anyone

Senator Government will bankrupt Coal Industry ...via Hillbuzz ..

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

That naked emperor news guy is just amazing! Too bad this couldn't have been a 24/7 ad in those coal producing states!

893 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:06:01am

re: #870 JacksonTn

Good Morning Lizards ...

Send this to your PA friends and family ...or anyone

Senator Government will bankrupt Coal Industry ...via Hillbuzz ..

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Much of the air pollution in he southwest is from Mexican coal-fired power plants, and they aren't going away mates. Obama is so full of crap that he sees only brown...

894 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:06:53am

Morning all!

Tell me some good news... lots of "inevitable" BS out there. Getting under my skin.

895 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:07:06am

re: #881 3 wood

Giants win by a TD. I don't think they cover the spread as the Cowboys need the game more than the Giants, but the Giants are playing with a chip on their shoulder from being disrespected last season by the so-called experts...

896 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:07:44am

re: #876 realwest

Hey good morning all y'all - from a coolish (52 degrees going up to 73 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
Today the Geek Squad guy is supposed to come and back up my doc's, install new Mother board, new CDW,
and new HD.
However, since Gateway hasn't yet sent me (or I haven't received) the Restore CD, for this Windows XP Home Media Edition, I doubt that he'll be able to do anything at all.
Sigh.
Anyway, how are y'all doing this morning?

Hi {rw}!
Cold here as well - but since the wind has died down a bit it didn't feel so bad.

That geek person ought to have a restore CD, oughtn't he? Mind, I know nothing about such stuff ... keeping fingers crossed for you that it all works out!

897 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:08:11am

re: #888 laZardo

Several hundred posts above...at #594.

PIMF.

898 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:08:19am

re: #891 arizona9


Well said & put, AZ9

899 ziggyelman  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:08:22am

re: #886 BlueCanuck

Why play nice?

/like rough housing on occassion. :)

Rough housing? When Obama's aunt is put under the bus and kicked out of the country, where she lives...that might be just the kind of rough housing you like! ;)

900 His Royal Highness  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:08:26am

re: #885 BlueCanuck

Your "credentials?' And those would be your membership in the "Conservative" party of Canada? Yeah - why don't you show me those "conservative" credentials of which you're so proud my Canuk friend.

901 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:08:44am

re: #876 realwest

Hey good morning all y'all - from a coolish (52 degrees going up to 73 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
Today the Geek Squad guy is supposed to come and back up my doc's, install new Mother board, new CDW,
and new HD.
However, since Gateway hasn't yet sent me (or I haven't received) the Restore CD, for this Windows XP Home Media Edition, I doubt that he'll be able to do anything at all.
Sigh.
Anyway, how are y'all doing this morning?

Doing fine Real! Sorry about computer problems. I dodged a bullet on Friday with 'me work laptop. Windows XP handled the issue extremely well though. Very surprised and pleased mate!

902 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:09:40am

re: #890 mama winger

I remember back during the Democratic primaries in Texas, the news kept pointing out that "other" racial divide - between blacks and Hispanics...

903 jorline  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:09:41am

re: #876 realwest

Hey good morning all y'all - from a coolish (52 degrees going up to 73 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
Today the Geek Squad guy is supposed to come and back up my doc's, install new Mother board, new CDW,
and new HD.
However, since Gateway hasn't yet sent me (or I haven't received) the Restore CD, for this Windows XP Home Media Edition, I doubt that he'll be able to do anything at all.
Sigh.
Anyway, how are y'all doing this morning?

Hey, RW. How are you today my friend. Geek Squad showing up today?

904 aussiemagpie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:10:11am

re: #871 yma o hyd

Gawd - thats deeply embarrassing, you're right.

Looks as if your PM has ingested far too many LLL media articles which describe GWB as dumb cowboy, and probably thought he'd get away with this remark.
I hope he cringes perpetually until Jan20th, 2009!

(Sorry to hear the ABs took the Bledisloe Cup from your hands ... we'll try and see if we can take them down a peg, for you ...!)

I'm so angry that Rudd is our PM, he's a joke and an embarrassment

Two more years...he'll be gone

As for the rugby, the Wallabies did a great job snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!

Best thing about the game - the haka!

However I do love to watch the All Blacks play, just not win when they play our boys :-)

Yes a Wales win would be lovely

905 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:10:25am

re: #882 mama winger

Good morning LGF friends.

Good morning Highness, I left a response to you at the end of the last thread but since you are here, I will repost it.

Talks of purging people out of The Party for 'thought crimes' make me very nervous in the current political climate. Let's not go there, shall we ?

Hi {mama winger]!

Talking about 'thought crimes' and 'purges' makes me feel very queasy and suspicious all in one go. Lets not go there at all, under any circumstances!

906 jorline  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:10:45am

re: #882 mama winger

Good morning LGF friends.

Good morning Highness, I left a response to you at the end of the last thread but since you are here, I will repost it.

Talks of purging people out of The Party for 'thought crimes' make me very nervous in the current political climate. Let's not go there, shall we ?

Good morning, mama.

907 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:11:06am

re: #881 3 woodHey my friend, good to see ya!
Yeah, I think the Giants are gonna win - although we are playing at home which gives us a distinct disadvantage! (and no I don't know why my Giants play SO much better on the road!).
What do you think?
And more importantly, how are you?

908 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:12:15am

Good morning Lizards...

909 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:12:31am

Morning Dorian!

910 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:12:43am

Good morning, Lizards.

911 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:12:56am

Oh lookie the Syrian‘s are counting on Barack to win and, acting accordingly, the Syrian Army has entrenched itself along 335 klicks of Lebanon’s Eastern Border. …not to worry…according to Syria(the second or third - dependent upon your perspective - largest supplier of both state and non-state terrorist forces) they took-up this position to come in compliance with UN Resolution 1701 in a bid to stop smuggling:

The sources told al-Hayat that the deployment stretches 335 Kilometers or the entire Lebanese-Syrian border from the north to the Bekaa, or 90 km facing Akkar and 245 km facing the Bekaa.

Al-Hayat said that Damascus has via its ministry of foreign affairs informed international parties of its intent to widen the deployment of its forces from Akkar to the eastern frontier adding that this measure comes as part of its commitment to implement U.N. Security Council resolution 1701.

According to information obtained by al-Hayat, Russian ambassador to Beirut Sergei Boukin had conveyed the Syrian position to Lebanese officials he met recently. Boukin affirmed that this aims at controlling the borders to prevent smuggling and infiltration.

But what do you really need to stop smuggling? Well…as everyone knows, not only do you need an offensive line the length of your border, that offensive line needs to be heavily backed-up with tanks and artillery:

Military sources indicated on Friday that the Syrian deployment stretched from Ersal to the heights of the frontier town of Deir al-Ashayer through the wilderness east of Baalbek, adding the deployment is heavily backed by tanks and field artillery.

Velcom kampers! Velcom to the Gates of Hell.

912 jorline  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:13:05am

re: #908 doriangrey

Hey, dorin.

Good morning Lizards...

913 ziggyelman  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:13:16am

re: #908 doriangrey

Good morning Lizards...

Good mornin'! What car is that in the teeny tiny Avatar?

914 yesandno  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:13:25am

re: #882 mama winger

Good morning LGF friends.

Good morning Highness, I left a response to you at the end of the last thread but since you are here, I will repost it.

re: #742 His Royal Highness

What is happening with the Republican party? Anti-science and anti-truth. This is not the conservative party to which I signed up. We need to purge these people or risk being a minority party forever.

Talks of purging people out of The Party for 'thought crimes' make me very nervous in the current political climate. Let's not go there, shall we ?

Good Morning Mama Winger...you are correct!

Our friend, HRH, must recognize that there is a Republican Party and then a Conservative philosophy. There are Conservative Democrats as well.

In a country where there are multiple, viable, political parties, each party can be exclusionary, can be more ideological pure. After the election, these people vie for their positions based upon their share of the vote. Only after the elections do you know if the person you voted for, the ideological leader of your position, had to compromise that position to gain power and future influence.

With the two party system we have, all the compromises are created before the election...that is why both parties are broad and not ideologically pure. That way you expect that when you vote for a person, you are already aware of how he/she will govern before the fact, not after.

RHR doesn't understand that Republican and Conservative are not necessarily interchangeable words.

915 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:13:26am

re: #900 His Royal Highness

Piss off troll, you have no powers here. I have never been a card carrying member of the Conservative Party. In any of it's incarnations. I have served my country at home and abroad, I vote, I believe in free speech. And I am willing to fight using all the means at my disposal. So who were you originally? Some previously banned poster? Time to sit down and shut up.

916 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:13:54am

re: #888 laZardo Hey my friend - I'm really sorry but I don't really have the time to go back several hundred posts about your financial situation - can ya summarize it for me?
And since McCain's gonna win, I don't know why we'd be talking about an Obama administration anyway.

917 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:14:44am

Mates, this is another call for fellow metro ATL lizards for our meet next Sunday! Email me if interested,' me nic is blue and I'll give you the secret location and time. And no, its not the DIA sub-basement! Looks like we will have six or seven lizards next Sunday!

918 jorline  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:14:46am

re: #910 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards.

{goddess}

919 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:14:47am

Good morning goddess. How are you doing today?

920 His Royal Highness  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:14:55am

re: #914 yesandno

Really well-reasoned response which made me think about my previous comments - thank you for writing it.

921 aussiemagpie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:15:59am

re: #876 realwest


Hi {realwest} and I hope Dr Geek can do something for your poor sick computer!

922 His Royal Highness  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:16:33am

re: #915 BlueCanuck

Oh so sensitive... Really, is there any need for the name calling? Someone needs to schedule an appointment with the dermatologist for a skin-thickening session.

Being Canadian isn't all bad you know...

923 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:16:50am

re: #909 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Morning Dorian!

Morning Vet... Morning goddess ((goddess)) MHAW...

924 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:16:57am

re: #894 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Morning all!

Tell me some good news... lots of "inevitable" BS out there. Getting under my skin.

Here's something to cheer you up - especially the short video in the middle!

925 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:17:09am

re: #896 yma o hyd
Well good afternoon to you {yma o hyd}! (BTW, can I call yma?). Don't know what he's bringing or what he can do, but we'll find out!
How are you doing today?

926 ziggyelman  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:17:16am

re: #917 LoFlyer

Mates, this is another call for fellow metro ATL lizards for our meet next Sunday! Email me if interested,' me nic is blue and I'll give you the secret location and time. And no, its not the DIA sub-basement! Looks like we will have six or seven lizards next Sunday!

Well...sounds like a meeting of an elitist group of Republicans from the Metro ATL area...don't want any of us low class suburb types from Jonesboro...Hrrumph!

;)

927 runrabbitrun  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:17:31am

re: #867 lawhawk

Thanks. A few further points. The Obama campaign is relying on the African American community, which overwhelmingly votes Democratic every election anyways. Any uptick in their participation rate will have only a marginal effect on the outcome since those areas usually go D anyway.

Obama also hopes for the youth vote, but again, those voters are notoriously unreliable to actually get out and vote. Remember Obama girl? She was a big hit early in the primary season, and yet never bothered to actually vote in the primaries. Couldn't find the time. Or her polling place.

Agree with all your points! We shouldn't wonder about the feature articles the MSM has been so lovingly spotlighting on the airwaves and in the press. Notice that the entire MSM narrative has been the Republican-vote-depressing fear tactic of total focus on the inner city and youth vote. Omitted again and again are the potential voter percentages involved in those demographics.

928 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:18:09am

re: #912 jorline

Hey, dorin.

Morning jorline...

re: #913 ziggyelman

Good mornin'! What car is that in the teeny tiny Avatar?

That would be my 1984 Corvette... ;)

929 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:18:56am

re: #924 yma o hyd

Here's something to cheer you up - especially the short video in the middle!

Thanks! She is so cute (the little girl... Palin herself is smoking hot...)

930 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:19:28am

re: #922 His Royal Highness

Oh so sensitive... Really, is there any need for the name calling? Someone needs to schedule an appointment with the dermatologist for a skin-thickening session.

Being Canadian isn't all bad you know...

It's not all good either mate! We have damn thick skins because many of us work with flaming liberals with no common sense! And I am not impressed with Canada one bit. Like Europe and half the world, we provide you with security and stability and all we get is a ton shit for our efforts...

931 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:20:06am

re: #904 aussiemagpie

I'm so angry that Rudd is our PM, he's a joke and an embarrassment

Two more years...he'll be gone

As for the rugby, the Wallabies did a great job snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!

Best thing about the game - the haka!

However I do love to watch the All Blacks play, just not win when they play our boys :-)

Yes a Wales win would be lovely


Aww - I know the feeling! Its always soo nice when someone beats the ABs!
Thats why we're still secretly gloating over that RWC game last year, France V All Blacks ...

Still - gotta beat the Bokkes first, this Saturday, I suppose!

932 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:20:09am

re: #916 realwest

Long story in point form:
- I'm petitioning my mom for permanent residency because she insists that I need a relative with me if/when I move back to the United States and she's convinced my US-based relatives not to take me alone. Involves a bit of my past that includes a 9-day stay at the Sacramento Mental Health Treatment Center.
- I don't exactly have the money to support myself, let alone my college education there (costs + lack of financial aid for my major = not good).
- She thinks an Obama administration would be more beneficial since the two of us, despite very likely bunking with US-based relatives, would start "at the bottom."
- I'm inclined to agree with that.

933 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:20:18am

re: #903 jorlineHi jorline!
Yep, he is supposed to get here anytime between 12-4 PM Eastern. As I said he may leave 5 minutes after he gets here, too!
How are you doing? How's the pain and are you still able to sleep with that Ambien?!

934 yesandno  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:20:23am

re: #924 yma o hyd

Here's something to cheer you up - especially the short video in the middle!

I saw the video before...I sent it to everyone I know. "Precious" is a very important tool when getting the message across! You betcha!

935 ziggyelman  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:20:39am

re: #928 doriangrey

Man, i wish the avatars could be bigger, but I understand how that would likely slow everything down. I have a 1973 Mark lV, but I couldn't figure out how to make it tiny enough for the site...

936 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:20:50am

On All Souls Day, November 2, the Church prays for all who have died that through the purifying mercy of God they will come to the share in the Lord's resurrection and enjoy the peace of God's reign forever.

The video here is the Kyrie from the Requiem Mass of Spanish composer and organist Tomás Luis de Victoria. The Kyrie is the original Greek of what we pray as "Lord have mercy... Christ have mercy..." The performance is by the Tallis Scholars. Please let it fill you with hope and joy:


937 jorline  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:21:19am

re: #873 His Royal Highness

Thanks "Blue Canuk" for your comment. Which, if I'm not mistaken, means "Conservative Canadian" because blue is the color of the Conservative party in Canada and "canuk" is understood to be Canadian. It's an interesting time when a "conservative Canadian" is in the position to judge me and my political opinions, but I'll leave that as it is.

This is where you've fucked up, HRH. Blue doesn't have to prove anything to you...BC has a proven track record here by posting daily. No one here has to guess where Blue is coming from...you on the other hand? I suggest you click Blue's avatar and spend the next week reading his comments...that will provide the proof you seek.

938 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:21:22am

re: #910 goddessoftheclassroomHey good morning {goddess} - how are ya today?

939 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:21:47am

re: #926 ziggyelman

Well...sounds like a meeting of an elitist group of Republicans from the Metro ATL area...don't want any of us low class suburb types from Jonesboro...Hrrumph!

;)

Haar! You could not be more mistaken mate! I hail from Conyers/Covington, not exactly elitist territory! Email me and I will send the low-down on the meet!

940 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:21:47am

re: #911 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Blydi 'eck!

941 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:21:59am

re: #930 LoFlyer

It's not all good either mate! We have damn thick skins because many of us work with flaming liberals with no common sense! And I am not impressed with Canada one bit. Like Europe and half the world, we provide you with security and stability and all we get is a ton shit for our efforts...

Don't worry, Obama will "fix" the latter... and they'll soon be pining for the day when we were strong and had them covered.

942 JacksonTn  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:22:15am

re: #839 His Royal Highness

I appreciate your response - it helps me to understand the position of those who oppose Brooks in a way I didn't previously. Again - thank you.

Why don't you just put a lid on negative crap until after the election ...there will be plenty of time after we defeat Senator Government to talk about party politics ...we have one goal now and that is to get McCain into the White House ...

943 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:22:16am

re: #908 doriangrey
Good morning dorian - how are you doing this morning?

944 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:23:13am

Off the rails in Vermont
A candidate for Attorney General promises to get Manson prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi to prosecute President Bush for murder.

You can't make this stuff up.

945 VioletTiger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:23:30am

re: #861 bcgirl

good morning lizards -- just in from the papers noticed lots of McCain Palin signs missing from where they have been but all the obama are still there, i will be replacing the McCain ones tonight, and have half a mind to go to the obama place and get me some of them so i can paint a big red no on them and place them next to the McCains that were stolen,,

Nobody has taken my McCain signs and I am just a little disappointed. Went through the trouble of rubbing them with poison ivy just hoping for some miscreant would come along and snag them. Had the back-ups all ready to go. Darn.

946 yesandno  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:23:43am

re: #932 laZardo

Long story in point form:
- I'm petitioning my mom for permanent residency because she insists that I need a relative with me if/when I move back to the United States and she's convinced my US-based relatives not to take me alone. Involves a bit of my past that includes a 9-day stay at the Sacramento Mental Health Treatment Center.
- I don't exactly have the money to support myself, let alone my college education there (costs + lack of financial aid for my major = not good).
- She thinks an Obama administration would be more beneficial since the two of us, despite very likely bunking with US-based relatives, would start "at the bottom."
- I'm inclined to agree with that.

With Obama it not only starts at the bottom, it stays at the bottom...

Good luck to you...but I don't think that position is a winner.

947 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:24:02am

re: #930 LoFlyer

And I am not impressed with Canada one bit. Like Europe and half the world, we provide you with security and stability and all we get is a ton shit for our efforts...

Unfortunate you feel that way, but I understand why. Believe me I know if it wasn't for the U.S.A. we would have been calling ourselves the Canadian Peoples Socialist Rebublic.

/learned my history, and lived part of it.

948 jorline  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:24:20am

re: #933 realwest

Hi jorline!
Yep, he is supposed to get here anytime between 12-4 PM Eastern. As I said he may leave 5 minutes after he gets here, too!
How are you doing? How's the pain and are you still able to sleep with that Ambien?!

Sleeping well and I see the rheumatologist for the first time tomorrow morning. Yea!

949 nyc redneck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:24:26am

re: #890 mama winger

Latinos are overwhelmingly pro-life. Many of them are seeing Obama's stance on pro-death (and I mean that word precisely) and recoiling from the Democratic ticket. The election could very well hinge upon Catholics and the PUMAs.

this whole thing of him relentlessly opposing the born alive infant protection act truly is "pro-death". i mean, being pro abortion is one thing but depriving a viable infant of care after it survives a botched abortion is so horrendous and evil, it makes me think obama is a cruel heartless monster.
most people would oppose this kind of barbarous stance on the issue. i just don't get it. when i see even an animal in distress, a lost kitten or injured bird, i feel compassion and an urge to help it.
what the fck is wrong w/ this candidate? and people think he will actually have the best interests of the american public in mind. not possible. it doesn't work that way. if he thinks it is fine to let a new born die, he has fundamental problems. and it is evident in many of his words and deeds.
he has

950 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:24:27am

re: #921 aussiemagpie
Hey {aussiemagpie} ME TOO! LOL! How are you getting along - what is it - two AM where you are?

951 akak  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:25:10am

re: #930 LoFlyer

It's not all good either mate! We have damn thick skins because many of us work with flaming liberals with no common sense! And I am not impressed with Canada one bit. Like Europe and half the world, we provide you with security and stability and all we get is a ton shit for our efforts...


Electing a Marxist won't save you.

952 loppyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:25:30am

re: #944 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Off the rails in Vermont
A candidate for Attorney General promises to get Manson prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi to prosecute President Bush for murder.

You can't make this stuff up.

Beautiful state taken over by Manhattan moonbats...

I spent a lot of time there in another life. Talk about feeling like a fish out of water!

953 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:25:53am

re: #943 realwest

Good morning dorian - how are you doing this morning?

Doing pretty good, coffee just finished peculating, or dripping or what ever it is that it does. Reading HRH post's thinking I must have missed the BBQ... Mmmm gamey troll buttocks early Sunday morning... ;)

954 lori lane  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:25:56am

Good morning, dear Lizzards! Hey {Realwest}! I'm so glad you're seeing your Geek buddies today! I sure hope they can help you once and for all!

955 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:26:03am

re: #925 realwest

Well good afternoon to you {yma o hyd}! (BTW, can I call yma?). Don't know what he's bringing or what he can do, but we'll find out!
How are you doing today?

Sure you can call me 'yma'!

We're ok - Miss Dog just had a nice bit of Sunday Dinner, its a tradition now. My dear friend and neighbour has been giving those left-overs to our dogs for years.
Big Dog used to wait patiently for ir, and he couldn't abide me chatting over the garden fence with her - he wanted it NOW! So he barked his head off ...

Just waiting here for the rugby games this p.m. - my club has made it to the semi-finals, lets see who else is going through ...

956 jorline  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:26:06am

bbl

957 ziggyelman  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:26:51am

re: #939 LoFlyer

Haar! You could not be more mistaken mate! I hail from Conyers/Covington, not exactly elitist territory! Email me and I will send the low-down on the meet!

Thanks! Just sent one!

958 Knitwit  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:27:18am

'Morning, everybody!

Thanks for the prayers and concern for my niece.

959 legalpad  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:27:21am

re: #922 His Royal Highness

OK - I just barely woke up - 1st cup of espresso here - so what are you talking about? Conservatives are stupid or something like that?

960 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:27:28am

re: #953 doriangrey

Still working on the tenderization process.

/where did everyone come from all of a sudden?
//gotta stop focusing like that.

961 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:27:39am

re: #930 LoFlyer Hey good morning my friend! Um, I don't want to argue with you here, but - in honor of our Canadian Lizards - I feel compelled to point out to you that Canada has been our ally - and a damn good one, a fighting ally (unlike, say, the Germans) in Afghanistan and I for one appreciate that.

962 loppyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:27:44am

re: #945 VioletTiger

Nobody has taken my McCain signs and I am just a little disappointed. Went through the trouble of rubbing them with poison ivy just hoping for some miscreant would come along and snag them. Had the back-ups all ready to go. Darn.

LOL! Yesterday at the McCain office a 15 yr. old kid was telling me that he has had 3 signs stolen and then a homemade wooden sign destroyed.

I asked for pics - hoping he emails them to me.

963 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:28:22am

re: #947 BlueCanuck

Unfortunate you feel that way, but I understand why. Believe me I know if it wasn't for the U.S.A. we would have been calling ourselves the Canadian Peoples Socialist Rebublic.

/learned my history, and lived part of it.

No offence, Blue! But everytime their is a crises or disaster America is in the the thick of it and few appreciate it. I hope McCain will pull us out of the UN and create a "League of Democracies" with membership for only true democracies, social and capitalists banding togather for a common cause...

964 ziggyelman  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:28:36am

re: #945 VioletTiger

Nobody has taken my McCain signs and I am just a little disappointed. Went through the trouble of rubbing them with poison ivy just hoping for some miscreant would come along and snag them. Had the back-ups all ready to go. Darn.

That's just cruel. Funny, very funny...but cruel.

965 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:29:18am

good morning again everyone! Newspapers have been digested - never mind not going there.

re: #949 nyc redneck

what the fck is wrong w/ this candidate?

Yeah, this is a very strange position for an African American to take. I've heard that the number of AA babies aborted amounts to another holocaust.

966 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:29:28am

re: #938 realwest

Hey good morning {goddess} - how are ya today?

I'm finishing breakfast before I attempt to get the house in order. I'm giving myself another half hour...

967 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:30:05am

re: #963 LoFlyer

None really taken. Just had to stand up for patriotic pride. ;)

/and I am all for the League of Democracies.
//down with the U.N.

968 aussiemagpie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:30:11am

re: #931 yma o hyd

Aww - I know the feeling! Its always soo nice when someone beats the ABs!
Thats why we're still secretly gloating over that RWC game last year, France V All Blacks ...

Still - gotta beat the Bokkes first, this Saturday, I suppose!

We'll be watching the game, will you be going there?

(I'll watch out for you) :-)

One day when we win Lotto we'll go on a rugby tour and support our Wallabies

Watch out for the Boks!

A FULL-strength Springbok squad departed South Africa today seeking to make it three wins out of three in Wales, Scotland and England in the coming weeks.

Springbok coach Peter de Villiers won just two of the Boks' six Tri-Nations matches earlier this year, but with just a few months away from the British and Irish Lions' visit to South Africa next season, he'll be seeking to land an early psychological blow this month.

969 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:30:17am

If I may humbly request...

When this election is over, and someone has a spare McCain/Palin sign laying around somewhere, could one of you send it to me? I'd like to post it on my bedroom door, which interestingly faces my punk-rocker brother's door across the hall.

On his door is an upside-down American flag with "Hello, USA!" scribbled across it in Sharpie.

/spite is good, lol

970 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:30:21am

re: #957 ziggyelman

Thanks! Just sent one!

Yaaar! Be back in a few minutes, I have to login to 'me trusty network!

971 Spirit93  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:31:24am

re: #930 LoFlyer

It's not all good either mate! We have damn thick skins because many of us work with flaming liberals with no common sense! And I am not impressed with Canada one bit. Like Europe and half the world, we provide you with security and stability and all we get is a ton shit for our efforts...

LoFlyer, I think you misunderstood. HRH comments were directed at BlueCanuck, not referring to himself.

972 TXNavy  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:31:25am

Gateway Pundit has some explosive new audio!

973 SurferDoc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:31:43am

Good morning--coffee's up!

Are we winning today?

974 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:31:57am

re: #932 laZardo
Uh, I'm not sure I understand the sponsoring stuff, but ya know you are young and starting at the bottom is where most of us do start, regardless of who's POTUS.
And unfortunately, in the unlikely event Obama is elected POTUS, there will be lots of company for you at the bottom.
What am I missing here?

975 buzzdroid  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:32:40am

re: #949 nyc redneck

what the fck is wrong w/ this candidate?

he's a Marxist.
thats whats wrong with him.

976 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:33:10am

re: #973 SurferDoc

Don't know, are THEY still here?

/if not then yes, if yes then still in progress.

977 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:33:40am

re: #973 SurferDoc

Good morning--coffee's up!

Are we winning today?

Dude, we're always winning... Because we're not whiners... We're winners... ;)

978 loppyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:33:44am

re: #969 laZardo

If I may humbly request...

When this election is over, and someone has a spare McCain/Palin sign laying around somewhere, could one of you send it to me? I'd like to post it on my bedroom door, which interestingly faces my punk-rocker brother's door across the hall.

On his door is an upside-down American flag with "Hello, USA!" scribbled across it in Sharpie.

/spite is good, lol

I have a ton in my trunk. I will put one aside for you. It says COUNTRY FIRST with the McCAIN-PALIN logo.

979 aussiemagpie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:34:08am

re: #950 realwest

Hey {aussiemagpie} ME TOO! LOL! How are you getting along - what is it - two AM where you are?

It's just after 1.30am and I'm thinking of bed - it's Monday which means a four letter word W-O-R-K

980 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:34:15am

re: #922 His Royal Highness

Oh so sensitive... Really, is there any need for the name calling? Someone needs to schedule an appointment with the dermatologist for a skin-thickening session.
Being Canadian isn't all bad you know...

Do you have anything useful to contribute here?
If you are just here to pick fights then I have a suggestion:
Stick your royal head up your royal ass and fight for air.

981 His Royal Highness  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:34:27am

re: #959 legalpad

Not at all. Conservatives are the party of ideas - or we used to be.

982 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:35:11am

re: #974 realwest

Uh, I'm not sure I understand the sponsoring stuff, but ya know you are young and starting at the bottom is where most of us do start, regardless of who's POTUS.
And unfortunately, in the unlikely event Obama is elected POTUS, there will be lots of company for you at the bottom.
What am I missing here?

Yup, lot's of us who have clawed our way to the dizzying heights of the lower middle will once again find ourselves back at the bottom...

983 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:35:38am

re: #978 loppyd

Thanks a bunch. I'm putting up my e-mail in my username if you'd like to contact me for a shipping address. (:

And in return, I'll stop being such a Yankees fan.

/THERE. I SAID IT.

984 SurferDoc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:35:45am

re: #972 TXNavy

Gateway Pundit has some explosive new audio!

I just sent that to Drudge. Hope it takes off!

985 buzzdroid  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:36:19am

folks - pass this one around to anyone who is even *thinking* of voting obama

[Link: www.zombietime.com...]


Much of Osawatomie, which was written at a time when the Dohrn-Ayers wing of the Weather Underground was transitioning from terrorism to “working from the inside” for revolution, concerns itself with the need to encourage “organizers” who will work in “communities” and use “audacity” to bring about “socialism” in America.

986 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:36:40am

re: #948 jorline YEA indeed! That's great news and I sure hope he/she can help y'all out!
I WILL have a functioning computer* so please e-mail me if you can when you find out anything ok?

*Geek Squad doesn't touch this machine until I explain lack of Restoration CD and lack of Back Up of doc's and he can satisfy me that there's no problem (which might be the case; I have a partitioned HD - one which is the local C drive and one which is the "Restore" D drive).

987 legalpad  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:36:44am

re: #981 His Royal Highness

Not at all. Conservatives are the party of ideas - or we used to be.

OK - what do you mean "we used to be?"

988 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:37:33am

re: #972 TXNavy


Amazing--what part of Texas and the Navy?

989 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:37:44am

re: #968 aussiemagpie

I hope to watch it in a pub in town, on a big screen, with lots of friends.
International Match Day in Cardiff is simply amazing, for atmosphere.

We nearly nearly had the Bokkes this June on our SA tour - a couple of iffy ref decisions turned it their way, but they were as totally dead on their feet as our lads - and hugely impressed with the way we played. even Joost van der Westerhuizen, their former formidable scrum half, was full of praise.

Mind - our lads would rather face the angry Bokkes and die, than face the angry Warren Gatland and especially Shaun Edwards if they lost and were still able to walk off the pitch without help ...

990 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:37:59am

re: #952 loppyd
Hey {loppyd}! How are you doing good looking?

991 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:38:03am

re: #874 loppyd

Howie Carr:
Five Reasons to Vote Against Obama

We could certainly add to Howie's list...

Note that both "5 Reasons," (Obama's and McCain's) both list the main women on their candidacies as pretty much the biggest reasons to vote against them.

Chauvinists.

/[=

992 nyc redneck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:38:14am

re: #975 buzzdroid

he's a Marxist.
thats whats wrong with him.

oh yeah, that's right.
how many people have died under communism around the world?
a hundred million? why not add a few newborns to the pile/
sickening.
i can hardly even say that in sarcasm.

993 SurferDoc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:38:22am

re: #986 realwest

YEA indeed! That's great news and I sure hope he/she can help y'all out!
I WILL have a functioning computer* so please e-mail me if you can when you find out anything ok?

*Geek Squad doesn't touch this machine until I explain lack of Restoration CD and lack of Back Up of doc's and he can satisfy me that there's no problem (which might be the case; I have a partitioned HD - one which is the local C drive and one which is the "Restore" D drive).

They may be able to back up your old HD contents before the swap.

994 jaunte  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:38:36am

re: #972 TXNavy

Gateway Pundit has some explosive new audio!

I hope everyone in states that produce or use energy is listening to what he's saying. This guy has dangerously unworkable ideas.

995 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:39:42am

re: #951 akak

Electing a Marxist won't save you.

Especially if that Marxist downplays the fact that Marxism requires hared hard HARD work from all. . .for the good of the state.

These idiots at work think they will be in a Cialis ad. . .nothing to do but watch sunsets from individual bath tubs and wait for the check. . .

One girl has already given her notice, ready to be one of the downtrodden to get her check. . .

996 JacksonTn  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:39:52am

Have you seen the photo of Senator Government on Drudge? ...I don't know much about taking photos so I am asking ... do you have to use a special lens or something to get that cross thing? That picture is the worst for me in this whole campaign ...makes me sick ...

997 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:40:01am

re: #974 realwest

Not much. I'm just worried about my financial situation there is all. I have about $3,000-$4,000 in savings, most in a CD and it'll be very difficult to find even part-time work to fund my education there because they prioritize toward recently-graduated high-schoolers.

Mostly worrying and venting. Hopefully I can get through it.

/[expletive deleted] ageists...

998 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:40:24am

re: #979 aussiemagpie

It's just after 1.30am and I'm thinking of bed - it's Monday which means a four letter word W-O-R-K

Hey after Tuesday. . .oh, wait, nevermind:)

999 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:40:46am

re: #994 jaunte

I hope everyone in states that produce or use energy is listening to what he's saying. This guy has dangerously unworkable ideas.

Oh, he'll make them 'workable' all right, never mind if he bankrupts a whole industry in the process!

1000 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:41:26am

re: #954 lori lane
Hey there {lori} good to see you!

1001 Spirit93  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:42:02am

re: #959 legalpad

OK - I just barely woke up - 1st cup of espresso here - so what are you talking about? Conservatives are stupid or something like that?

Exactly.
It's a very poor quality troll this morning.
Hardly even worth playing with.

1002 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:42:12am

re: #940 yma o hyd

One itsy-bitsy piece in a very ugly puzzle. For instance, another piece, only a few days ago the Mullah's & UAE signed a MoU to ' facilitate the setting up of a joint security organization between Iran and the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC).' (at bottom of the article).

1003 aussiemagpie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:42:34am

re: #989 yma o hyd

I hope to watch it in a pub in town, on a big screen, with lots of friends.
International Match Day in Cardiff is simply amazing, for atmosphere.

We nearly nearly had the Bokkes this June on our SA tour - a couple of iffy ref decisions turned it their way, but they were as totally dead on their feet as our lads - and hugely impressed with the way we played. even Joost van der Westerhuizen, their former formidable scrum half, was full of praise.

Mind - our lads would rather face the angry Bokkes and die, than face the angry Warren Gatland and especially Shaun Edwards if they lost and were still able to walk off the pitch without help ...

LOL! The ref had it in for our boys last night - it was a woeful refereeing display and that's not being biased - even though I view rugby through green and gold glasses :-)

Enjoy the atmosphere, and good luck to your team - also for your local team in the semis

1004 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:42:37am

re: #965 wahabicorridor
Good morning {wahabi} hope you and yours - especially the not-quite-so-fat beagle are doing ok?!

1005 swamprat  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:42:44am

re: #749 His Royal Highness

I rarely comment and don't mean to start a negative thread but I'm concerned about where we're going as a party.

You think you have it bad? I'm a democrat! My party lies, supports socialists, panders to all sorts of dictators, portrays America as an oppressor, rewrites history, supresses the economy, and never saw a nutty cause that they wouldn't close to if if could buy they a single vote...

...Sorry, about "your party".

By the way, little green footballs is not a Republican- only blog

But you knew that, because you are not a troll

1006 jaunte  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:43:26am

re: #999 yma o hyd

I'm convinced he is a saboteur, eager to use state power to destroy the economy. No one is this dumb.

1007 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:44:01am

re: #1001 Spirit93

Always worth the effort. Besides I am dealing with heartburn, so I thought I would spread the pain. ;)

/only to those truly deserving mind you.

1008 legalpad  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:44:08am

re: #1001 Spirit93

lol - well, I only have so much time this morning anyway.

1009 loppyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:44:14am

re: #983 laZardo

Thanks a bunch. I'm putting up my e-mail in my username if you'd like to contact me for a shipping address. (:

And in return, I'll stop being such a Yankees fan.

/THERE. I SAID IT.

I just sent you an email...it's a gmail account and my real initials are also LD.

And don't think I won't forget what you said about the Yankees. LOL

1010 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:44:20am

re: #973 SurferDoc
Hey there SurferDoc - at LGF we are always winning!
How are ya doing this morning?

1011 runrabbitrun  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:45:41am

re: #949 nyc redneck

this whole thing of him relentlessly opposing the born alive infant protection act truly is "pro-death". i mean, being pro abortion is one thing but depriving a viable infant of care after it survives a botched abortion is so horrendous and evil, it makes me think obama is a cruel heartless monster.
most people would oppose this kind of barbarous stance on the issue. i just don't get it. when i see even an animal in distress, a lost kitten or injured bird, i feel compassion and an urge to help it.
what the fck is wrong w/ this candidate? and people think he will actually have the best interests of the american public in mind. not possible. it doesn't work that way. if he thinks it is fine to let a new born die, he has fundamental problems. and it is evident in many of his words and deeds.
he has

That's exactly what has been most on my mind lately too, and I've been speaking up about to other voters.

Obama claims his compassion leads him to want to help the weakest of this nation, but the folks he refers to are generally able to save themselves, even if it involves a lot of work and effort. The tiniest infants gasping for their lives- or even a few hours of it, God willing in less pain or discomfort - are totally helpless. Lord save us from that kind of hypocritical compassion: if you can't vote, you don't get any sympathy from Obama.

1012 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:45:43am

re: #972 TXNavy

Obama will turn out the lights on the coal industry in the US. Let's not forget that nearly 50% of power in the US is generated from coal, and at least a dozen states have major coal production sites, generating jobs and revenues for the states. Obama looks to kill that with his cap and trade policies.

1013 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:45:52am

re: #979 aussiemagpie
GAH! I used to hate that four letter word - til I got "retired" anyway!

1014 SurferDoc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:46:03am

re: #1010 realwest

Hey there SurferDoc - at LGF we are always winning!
How are ya doing this morning?

I'm good. Rooting for you and your computer while I drink my coffee!

1015 nyc redneck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:46:40am

re: #1006 jaunte

I'm convinced he is a saboteur, eager to use state power to destroy the economy. No one is this dumb.

i agree w/ you.
especially given all these alliances he has w/ anti-americans who have expressly stated they want to bring our country down.
his idea of change is destruction.

1016 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:47:18am

re: #963 LoFlyer

No offence, Blue! But everytime their is a crises or disaster America is in the the thick of it and few appreciate it. I hope McCain will pull us out of the UN and create a "League of Democracies" with membership for only true democracies, social and capitalists banding togather for a common cause...

Whoa. Canada is America's staunch ally in the GWOT and is America's largest trading partner. Don't be put off by the Canadian socialists and moonbats, who are a minority up here. C'mon up for a visit sometime and I'm sure you'll agree with me.

1017 Gang of One  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:47:21am

re: #1005 swamprat

Swamprat, your post intrigues me because my entire family were once FDR/New Deal Dems, and over the past few years have begun voting for Republican or Indy candidates. What do you think can be done to reclaim your party from the Marxists and tyrants? Serious question.

1018 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:47:24am

re: #983 laZardo
"And in return, I'll stop being such a Yankees fan.

HEY! WHAT'S UP WITH THAT?!?

1019 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:48:39am

{realwest}!

We're just fine and dandy, thank you very much. Her not-so-fat Royal Highness is asleep next to me.

Today's papers were really awful. I think I'll burn them just to add to my carbon footprint. Even the Washington Times sucked - a front page article on Michelle Obama's sartorial panache.

1020 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:48:53am

re: #1015 nyc redneck

i agree w/ you.
especially given all these alliances he has w/ anti-americans who have expressly stated they want to bring our country down.
his idea of change is destruction.

And either way, he appears to be critic proof. . .which I still do not get!

1021 loppyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:48:58am

re: #991 laZardo

Note that both "5 Reasons," (Obama's and McCain's) both list the main women on their candidacies as pretty much the biggest reasons to vote against them.

Chauvinists.

/[=

Margery Eagan has been drinking the Obama kool aid since the beginning and has one of the worst cases of Palin Derangment Syndrome I've ever seen.

I posted this comment:

loppyd
Marge has lost it, but I understand. An aging, uninteresting, unattractive woman will always hate somone like Sarah Palin. It must be like high school all over again for poor Marge. Funny how she plays the role of the flighty dope who can't find her way out of a paper bag on her radio show, but she slams Palin for not being intelligent. I want McCain to win because I want to feel safe and I want to keep as much of my hard-earned money as possible. But I also want him to win so people like Marge and her sisters will have to endure four - maybe eight - years of the beautiful and talented Sarah Palin.

#430605 - Nov 2, 2008 7:15 AM EST Report Abuse

1022 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:49:56am

re: #1002 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Yep - saw that, and thought that the smaller arab states are sure looking for some sort of backdoor security, just in case ...

Doesn't fill me with confidence, I must say ...

1023 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:49:58am

re: #989 yma o hyd
Uh, yma, what the hell are you talking about - I mean, when did you switch from English to Welsh language?! I only got about two words out of that whole post and that's only cause I know what a pitch and a scrum are!
LOL!

1024 TXNavy  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:50:03am

re: #988 KB55

Amazing--what part of Texas and the Navy?


DFW - Retired last year.

1025 aussiemagpie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:51:09am

re: #998 DisturbedEma

Hey after Tuesday. . .oh, wait, nevermind:)

Hi and we have our own version of a nanny state with plenty of handouts for the chosen many!

We're a welfare state just like you'll be if Obama gets his mitts on your $$$

1026 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:51:18am

re: #957 ziggyelman

Thanks! Just sent one!

Ziggy, I am getting a message undeleverable on 'me email. Blue your nic by clicking on "show email" in the upper tool bar and I will send you a reply! Thanks mate! I truly hate computers mates!

1027 jaunte  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:51:24am

re: #1020 DisturbedEma

One relic of all the media-fueled BDS out there is that a large percentage of voters are willing to believe the worst about any Republican candidate
(pro-war, pro torture, anti-civil liberties, religious fanatic) and are running to the Democratic side to be saved. Little do they know.

1028 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:51:32am

re: #997 laZardo

Not much. I'm just worried about my financial situation there is all. I have about $3,000-$4,000 in savings, most in a CD and it'll be very difficult to find even part-time work to fund my education there because they prioritize toward recently-graduated high-schoolers.

Mostly worrying and venting. Hopefully I can get through it.

/[expletive deleted] ageists...

It ain't easy. It ain't supposed to be easy.
We've all done it.

1029 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:52:17am

re: #1003 aussiemagpie

Thanks - we can't wait, especially as the papers are only full of praise for the English, be it on club level or on international level.
I hope the Wallabies put them to the sword, I sure do!

1030 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:52:22am

re: #1018 realwest

Back when I was a wee lad (1998-ish, right before the Asian Crisis affected the family finance) I was fortunate enough on vacation in New York City. Apart from visiting the then-still-intact WTC, I attended a Yankees game and came home with a cap and an adorable plush Yankees panda that sits atop my shelf.

You could say they've had a special place in my heart since then - at least compared to my home-city team. Giants they ain't if their star player needs steroids to get big.

/though attention dwindled after that fateful ALCS championship...

1031 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:52:23am

re: #1024 TXNavy

Congrats--DFW (Richardson), served East Coast Subs back in '70s, when it wasn't our bathtub

1032 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:53:12am

re: #1017 Gang of One

Swamprat, your post intrigues me because my entire family were once FDR/New Deal Dems, and over the past few years have begun voting for Republican or Indy candidates. What do you think can be done to reclaim your party from the Marxists and tyrants? Serious question.

Round all 25 million of them up and eliminate them... /channeling William Ayers...

1033 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:53:17am

re: #1030 laZardo

...fortunate enough to vacation in NYC. PIMF.

/that's gonna be a year in the Grammar Nazi's re-education camp...

1034 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:53:21am

re: #993 SurferDoc
Well it'd be nice if they could, but the Restore Disk has the Windows XP Home Media on it along with the drivers they said (Gateway, that is) that I'd need. And since my motherboard APPEARS to be screwed up and don't know if my 4 gig Flash drive will back up enough, and since my CD isn't working I can't back up anything without the Flash working - unless they can install the new CDwrite then they can't do much, cause I won't let 'em "fix" anything if they don't back up my data first!

1035 loppyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:53:44am

re: #990 {realwest}

Hey {loppyd}! How are you doing good looking?

Good Morning, Handsome!

I'm freezing! How are you?

1036 Gang of One  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:54:01am

re: #1028 mama winger

It ain't easy. It ain't supposed to be easy.
We've all done it.

If it were easy, it would not be as valuable, neh?

1037 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:54:21am

For Lazardo:


Take the dirt road
it ain't easy
it ain't supposed to be

1038 Gang of One  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:55:02am

re: #1032 doriangrey

Round all 25 million of them up and eliminate them... /channeling William Ayers...

That's hard-core dude.

1039 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:55:29am

re: #1006 jaunte

I'm convinced he is a saboteur, eager to use state power to destroy the economy. No one is this dumb.

Agree - and he certainly is not dumb.
But seeing that last report on Zomblog, I think he's been very well schooled. The communists must hug themselves with glee, to have got that far.

B0 must be defeated - he must!

I think he's actually worse than our own NuLab politicians, now that I've learned more about him, thanks to Zombie's last trhee reports.

1040 Blazer in RIC  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:55:34am

Over at Newsbusters they have Obama on tape saying he will bankrupt the coal industry. If this goes mainstream this could cost him the swing states for sure.

1041 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:56:16am

re: #997 laZardo Ageists?!
Fer cryin' out loud, you're only 21!
I'm THREE TIMES OLDER THAN YOU ARE! Sheesh.
Seriously my friend, you're a good guy and I'm sure things will work out for you, but you're gonna have to WORK hard at it -something I KNOW you can do!

1042 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:56:27am

re: #1038 Gang of One

That's hard-core dude.

That is William Ayers plan for dealing with those who will not submit to communism...

1043 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:56:34am

re: #1040 Blazer in RIC

Over at Newsbusters they have Obama on tape saying he will bankrupt the coal industry. If this goes mainstream this could cost him the swing states for sure.

I just posted it at my little internet store. I get customers from a lot of those swing states.

1044 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:56:49am

Uh, where did my friend 3 wood go?!

1045 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:57:20am

re: #1040 Blazer in RIC

gateway pundit has the transcript and someone upthread said they sent it to Drudge

1046 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:57:30am

re: #1016 Spare O'Lake

Whoa. Canada is America's staunch ally in the GWOT and is America's largest trading partner. Don't be put off by the Canadian socialists and moonbats, who are a minority up here. C'mon up for a visit sometime and I'm sure you'll agree with me.

Haar, my apologies to all Canadian lizards! Canadians have been America's allies for a hundred years and we appreciate the sacrifices made by Canadian troops at such places as Diepe and Caanes! But for the last thirty years Canada and all the socialist democracies have been riding on the on security provided by American forces and allowed their military to stagnate as Obama will undoubtedly do if elected. Then what will happen when America can no longer protect her allies, like Georgia two months ago?

1047 aussiemagpie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:58:18am

re: #1013 realwest

GAH! I used to hate that four letter word - til I got "retired" anyway!

This time each week, I start thinking of what excuse I can use to have a sickie - then I go to bed, get up and go to work...

1048 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:58:25am

re: #1043 mama winger

I just posted it at my little internet store. I get customers from a lot of those swing states.

You have an internet store! I'm going there right now!

1049 Gang of One  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:58:32am

re: #1042 doriangrey

That is William Ayers plan for dealing with those who will not submit to communism...

I know. And it is hard-core. Wassup with the lemmings who STILL don't get it?

1050 6pat6  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:58:51am

McCain - 132,445,505
B-HO - 66,666,666

McCain ends up with over 300 electoral votes.

Think positive.

1051 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:58:55am

re: #1037 mama winger

The second verse of this one reminds me of Obama for some reason...

Well there's a new cat in town
he's got high-paid friends,
thinks he's gonna change history...
You think you know him so well,
yeah, you think he's so swell,
but he's just perpetuatin' prophecy...

/still uber-pissed that Cars lost the Oscar to some [expletive deleted] penguins...

1052 SurferDoc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:59:01am

re: #1034 realwest

Well it'd be nice if they could, but the Restore Disk has the Windows XP Home Media on it along with the drivers they said (Gateway, that is) that I'd need. And since my motherboard APPEARS to be screwed up and don't know if my 4 gig Flash drive will back up enough, and since my CD isn't working I can't back up anything without the Flash working - unless they can install the new CDwrite then they can't do much, cause I won't let 'em "fix" anything if they don't back up my data first!

They may be able to back up to their laptop before they start. Geeks know many wondrous tricks. Don't over-worry.

1053 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:59:11am

re: #1046 LoFlyer

Then what will happen when America can no longer protect her allies, like Georgia two months ago?

They will be loved and protected by Russia, just like Georgia two months ago...

1054 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:59:11am

re: #1048 wahabicorridor

You have an internet store! I'm going there right now!

The link is there in my nic. Hope you enjoy it!

1055 jaunte  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:59:16am

re: #1039 yma o hyd

I agree, and am working my email list to that end.

1056 Blazer in RIC  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:59:28am

re: #1045 wahabicorridor

Yea, I sent it to Drudge, Fox all the major newspapers in Pa., and Va., for what it's worth. I urge everyone to do the same.

1057 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:59:34am

re: #1023 realwest

Uh, yma, what the hell are you talking about - I mean, when did you switch from English to Welsh language?! I only got about two words out of that whole post and that's only cause I know what a pitch and a scrum are!
LOL!

LOL!

I bet you got more than others - its just plain rugby-speak, not Welsh, although heavily biased towards our Red Dragons ...

Aussie Magpie understands it perfectly!

1058 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:59:52am

re: #1049 Gang of One

I know. And it is hard-core. Wassup with the lemmings who STILL don't get it?

The correct term is "fools".

I still think the American people have more common sense than that.

1059 Bobblehead  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:00:21am
1060 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:00:32am

re: #1052 SurferDoc

They may be able to back up to their laptop before they start. Geeks know many wondrous tricks. Don't over-worry.

Three words for you... External Hard Drive...

1061 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:00:46am

re: #1019 wahabicorridor
"a front page article on Michelle Obama's sartorial panache."
OH ,Ha hahaahahahaahahahahah! ROTFLMAO! Thanks for the chuckles today! LOL!
Glad to hear you and the formerly fat beagle are doing well!

1062 Gang of One  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:01:16am

re: #1054 mama winger

The link is there in my nic. Hope you enjoy it!

I visited your site Mama, interesting stuff! Would love to wear that Hammer and Sickle Obama shirt, but I think I'd get shot and/or stabbed -- I live in NJ.

1063 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:01:24am

re: #1041 realwest

In cities like Seattle, 21 is the new 40. D:

But thanks for the encouragement, I really appreciate it.

1064 Bobblehead  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:02:00am

re: #1059 Bobblehead

Never mind. As usual lizards are on top of the story.

1065 albusteve  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:02:50am

re: #1012 lawhawk

makes me wonder what his position is on NG (another fossile fuel)...we need our revenue here in NM and the Dine have a hell of alot of it to sell...

1066 Blazer in RIC  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:02:51am

re: #1059 Bobblehead

Sweet ! Malkin's got it up, which means Fox will definitley run it.

1067 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:02:52am

re: #1009 loppyd

Replied. (;

1068 Gang of One  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:03:08am

re: #1058 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

The correct term is "fools".

I still think the American people have more common sense than that.

I agree. I pray that they all become Broken Glass Republicans® and put this dog down day after tomorrow.

1069 loppyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:03:11am

re: #1063 laZardo

In cities like Seattle, 21 is the new 40. D:

But thanks for the encouragement, I really appreciate it.

wicked cool city.

1070 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:03:22am

re: #1046 LoFlyer

Thou beatest thy breast too much, fair sir. First apology was received and accepted. When it comes to our past socialist governments I am with you all the way. Unfortunately it takes time to rebuild a military force after years of mismanagement.

1071 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:03:27am

re: #1062 Gang of One

I visited your site Mama, interesting stuff! Would love to wear that Hammer and Sickle Obama shirt, but I think I'd get shot and/or stabbed -- I live in NJ.

Hahaha - You need a 2nd Amendment shirt! :)

1072 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:03:40am

re: #1053 doriangrey

They will be loved and protected by Russia, just like Georgia two months ago...

Arrr, you mean taken to pieces like a pie in a kindegarten classroom? Europe doesn't comprehend the difficulties of fighting an enemy that controls half of the natural gas used by Europe...

1073 yah  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:03:40am

When people tell me they are voting for Obama, I ask them "Why?"
Some of them get this wild eyed look and burst into an insane long hate rage against Sarah Palin - really over the top. I just listen quietly look at them without arguing. This makes them obviously uncomfortable and they shut up. Maybe they realize they sound like idiots.

Others go into the "I hate Bush" tirade. These people seem more satisfied with their reasoning.

In either case, neither group can tell me why they are voting FOR Obama.

1074 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:03:53am

re: #1035 loppyd
Not so bad, thanks - just a LITTLE BIT ANXIOUS about the Geek Squad and my 'puter, otherwise I'm doing ok.
Sorry to hear it's cold up by you - what's the low gonna be tonight (or, rather, what are they predicting it'll be?)?

1075 Gang of One  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:04:17am

re: #1071 mama winger

Hahaha - You need a 2nd Amendment shirt! :)

THAT was second thought, exactly!

1076 SurferDoc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:04:37am

re: #1060 doriangrey

Three words for you... External Hard Drive...

You are probably right. The last time I looked over the Geek Squad's shoulder was a couple years back and they were backing up a computer to another desktop--so I projected a little.

1077 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:04:41am

re: #1056 Blazer in RIC

Yea, I sent it to Drudge, Fox all the major newspapers in Pa., and Va., for what it's worth. I urge everyone to do the same.

DON'T FORGET WEST VIRGINIA!

1078 Gang of One  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:05:16am

re: #1073 yah

When people tell me they are voting for Obama, I ask them "Why?"
Some of them get this wild eyed look and burst into an insane long hate rage against Sarah Palin - really over the top. I just listen quietly look at them without arguing. This makes them obviously uncomfortable and they shut up. Maybe they realize they sound like idiots.

Others go into the "I hate Bush" tirade. These people seem more satisfied with their reasoning.

In either case, neither group can tell me why they are voting FOR Obama.

Because in their heart of hearts, even they don't know why.

1079 6pat6  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:05:35am

re: #1077 wahabicorridor

And Colorado, and Wyoming, and Alaska, and Montana...

1080 windbrother  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:05:44am

Folks, I'd just like to remind everyone that regardless of who wins on Tuesday, this country has a long history of living through good and bad Presidents. The worst that has happened under one in the last few decades, namely LBJ, is that we've ended up with some expensive and ever-expanding entitlement programs.

While I don't agree with expanding entitlement programs, Bush grew them hugely with Medicare Part D. So yet another round of growth is typical. And I think that people should remember that any Democrats that win in the Midwest and the South will be Blue Dog style and fairly conservative. I don't think the Democrats will get a rubber stamp in the Senate.

On the other hand, Redstate has a threat discussing a new civil war happening if Obama loses (or wins).
[Link: www.redstate.com...]

I'm asking all of you - please tell the people you know that this kind of paranoia is neither healthy nor helpful.

1081 vxbush  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:05:56am

Morning, everyone. Another Sunday at home, and not at church, as I continue to try to get rid of the aftereffects of this stupid cold.

I went to the doc on Friday, and he gave me three meds. My morning pill count today? Nine.

I'm officially old.

But--keep your chin up--there are still cute things going on in the world.

1082 aussiemagpie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:06:17am

re: #1029 yma o hyd

Thanks - we can't wait, especially as the papers are only full of praise for the English, be it on club level or on international level.
I hope the Wallabies put them to the sword, I sure do!

We'd love to stick it to the Poms but we lost some major players through injury and we have a few rookies

But you never know...we do have ex All Black coach Robbie Deans and I reckon we're due for a major upset win

1083 jaunte  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:06:34am

re: #1073 yah

I've had that same experience with some of my co-workers. They appear not to have heard any of the comparative experience credentials of the Republican candidates, only the negatives. This is one result of the media being in the O tank.

1084 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:06:48am

re: #1040 Blazer in RIC
Hello - hey I reported your post to Charles in the hope that he'll make a thread out of it, but SERIOUSLY HERE, y'all ought to send it to McCain and to Palin's campaign headquarters, I bet it'll play real well in Pennsylvania.

1085 albusteve  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:06:50am

re: #1065 albusteve

I guess I just found out...
[Link: answers.yahoo.com...]

he wants to kill the entire fossile fuel industry and drive our economy into the dirt...

1086 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:07:04am

re: #1077 wahabicorridor

Here are the states most affected by Obama's coal industry bankruptcy policy:

ALL OF THEM.

50% of power in the nation is derived from coal fired power plants.

Some states are heavily reliant on the coal industry for jobs. That includes WV, OH, PA, WY, UT, CO, TX, MT, among others.

Source: [Link: www.eia.doe.gov...]

1087 Bobblehead  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:07:08am

This has to be the cutest video I've seen in a while. Guaranteed to put a smile on your face. "You Betcha!"

1088 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:07:20am

re: #1081 vxbush

That is adorable!

feel better soon, sweetie

1089 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:07:43am

re: #1079 6pat6


Also, don't forget those states that rely on coal for a large protion o fhteir power production--TX ~ 30+%

1090 6pat6  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:07:57am

Obama supporters can NOT enunciate why they support him. Not one can tell you what B-HO has actually accomplished! They go all "Change!" on you, and smoke the Hopiate, an dbitch about Bush...but that is it. Period. A giant vacuum of ideas, or answers that mean anything.

1091 Blazer in RIC  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:08:09am

re: #1077 wahabicorridor

West who, what ? Just kidding, I'm working on Ohio right now, but I'll get to W.V. shortly.

1092 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:08:24am

re: #1087 Bobblehead

This has to be the cutest video I've seen in a while. Guaranteed to put a smile on your face. "You Betcha!"

Oh my that is wonderful!

1093 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:08:27am

re: #1081 vxbush

Thanks, I needed that. :)

1094 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:08:34am

re: #1069 loppyd

It's where I'm most likely to move if I ever get back to the States, since I have relatives there. Crazy as it sounds I really want to move back to my birth city...and you can guess where that is from my name on the e-mail.

1095 yesandno  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:09:04am

re: #1027 jaunte

One relic of all the media-fueled BDS out there is that a large percentage of voters are willing to believe the worst about any Republican candidate
(pro-war, pro torture, anti-civil liberties, religious fanatic) and are running to the Democratic side to be saved. Little do they know.

And all because all these people have no ideas themselves, no point of view, no ideology to ground them. Hence, they are easy targets of manipulation of others.

1096 6pat6  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:09:09am

re: #1080 windbrother

America has NEVER had a Socialist in charge with a Socialist majority in both houses of Congress, either. This "paranoia" you speak of is well-grounded, thanks.

1097 legalpad  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:09:20am

re: #981 His Royal Highness

Hey - I'm serious. What ideas did we have and what happened to them? I'm not messing with you here. I will really discuss this.

I'm going to go do some things. If you are serious, you can drop some concepts on me. I have a personal history of being open to ideas new to me. I think what you might learn, is that "conservatives" come in many varieties, and we tend to back each other, honestly, before we fall for the latest version of incremental totalitarianism or someone who compromises with it.

Do not think I am accusing you of any of this. I really have little idea of what you think. In looking at your posts, you've maybe expressed two actual ideas and the rest is conversational responses.

This part is not to you highness -
BTW - Why does my user information say no links? I have posted links!

1098 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:09:34am

re: #1052 SurferDoc
"Don't over-worry."
So you're saying I should stop being myself then?!? LOL!
Thanks, as I said, I'll explain everything to 'em and see what they say. They have already shipped to me the new motherboard, CDplayer/writer and what I think is the new HD so we'll see!

1099 vxbush  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:10:13am

re: #1093 BlueCanuck

Thanks, I needed that. :)

Hey, I think I have the market on cute cat stuff online. :D Well, goddessoftheclassroom helps a lot with that.

1100 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:10:38am

re: #1065 albusteve

His cap and trade policy would hit all fossil fuels - coal, NG, oil, LNG, liquefied coal, tar sands, etc. The coal industry would be hardest hit because it's the largest segment of the power production.

Where exactly does all that electricity get produced if Obama's policies come to fruition? He doesn't ever say. That's because it is a reductionist policy - it's a zero-to-negative growth policy.

And it would increase the costs of energy to the end user because those charges will be passed on to the consumers. It's a massive tax on consumers - another in a series of taxes and indirect fees that Obama looks to impose.

1101 loppyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:10:46am

re: #1074 realwest

I've got my own geek squad sitting next to me on the couch right now. LOL LOL

Seriously, I hope it goes well and they get you and your 'puter straightened out.

It's get out the down puffy cold. Tonight will be in the 20's...

1102 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:10:50am

re: #1049 Gang of One

I know. And it is hard-core. Wassup with the lemmings who STILL don't get it?

There are two types of people in this world, basically both are intelligent. One group places their decision making emphasis on what they feel, the other on empirical evidence. Those who place their decision making emphasis on what they feel are easily deceived and manipulated.

They are not inherently evil or stupid but once deceived and manipulated they become puppets of those who have deceived and manipulated them. Because their decisions are based on emotion rather than logic and facts once they have been deceived and manipulated it becomes nearly impossible for them to escape the deception and manipulation.

With regards to Obama they are keeping perfectly in form with their decision making process, which is to decide based on feelings, not empirical evidence, hence the inability of empirical evidence to alter their decision making process.

1103 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:10:52am

re: #1097 legalpad

BTW - Why does my user information say no links? I have posted links!

You have to post links in the spinoff section up top. It doesn't count the links you post in the comment sections of the threads.

1104 bbuddha  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:11:09am

Man made global warming, not so much
man made astroid, whole different storyYour text to link...

1105 buzzdroid  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:11:20am

The Chosen One

[Link: d.yimg.com...]


note the CROSS... jeez...

1106 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:11:34am

re: #1099 vxbush

Hey, I think I have the market on cute cat stuff online. :D Well, goddessoftheclassroom helps a lot with that.

That's because I AM cute cat stuff...

(Oh, I hope pre-Boomer Marine brat sees that!)

1107 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:11:55am

re: #1046 LoFlyer

Haar, my apologies to all Canadian lizards! Canadians have been America's allies for a hundred years and we appreciate the sacrifices made by Canadian troops at such places as Diepe and Caanes! But for the last thirty years Canada and all the socialist democracies have been riding on the on security provided by American forces and allowed their military to stagnate as Obama will undoubtedly do if elected. Then what will happen when America can no longer protect her allies, like Georgia two months ago?

No apologies needed. We are well aware of the current stress y'all are under, and we have pretty thick skin up here anyways.
You are correct about Canada having had a pretty easy time basking under the American security umbrella. However even before the current Conservative government came into power in 2006 the Liberals committed to sending troops to Afghanistan where our troops have been doing a fine job and have been regularly laying down their lives as well.
And under the Conservatives, recently reelected, we have actually been updating and expanding our military personnel and equipment.
Having said that, we still depend heavily on the US as our friendly neighbourhood superpower, and I hope we can continue to do so in the future.

1108 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:12:09am

re: #1050 6pat6

McCain - 132,445,505
B-HO - 66,666,666

McCain ends up with over 300 electoral votes.

Think positive.

Oh please PLEASE let this be it!

1109 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:12:26am

re: #1106 goddessoftheclassroom

Don't worry, I will point it out to him if he doesn't see it first.

/heh heh heh

1110 6pat6  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:12:30am

People who "feel" things are people who can be led to their own slaughter.

People who "think" about things are people who know better than to be led to their own slaughter.

1111 vxbush  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:13:20am

Sigh. I hate seeing this.

Some in the evangelical community are now coming out and saying that Sarah Palin should not have received the VP slot because she's a woman, and that women are not allowed to lead.

Ouch. Why do I get the feeling that sometimes these people--and I count myself among them--cannot rub two brain cells and realize that if this were accurate (and I haven't yet thought through it all yet and researched it), G-d could forgive us because of the alternative?

1112 Miss Trixie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:13:23am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning, {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

Another gorgeous fall day that's just begging us to get out and terrorize the 'hood and I'm in a culinary mood so it's some nice homemade soup to make this afternoon.

{realwest} Morning schweetie *smooochie* *huggle* Good luck with the Geeks today - I hope it's nothing serious, luv. How are you?

His Royal Asshattedness

Your arrogance is astonishing. Just STFU and STFD and you just might learn something.

1113 6pat6  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:13:37am

re: #1105 buzzdroid

Isn't that pathetic! And this, from a "press" and a candidate that refuse to acknowledge a greater power than themselves. Sickening, really.

1114 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:13:38am

re: #1053 doriangrey

They will be loved and protected by Russia, just like Georgia two months ago...

Georgia will receive a nice big bear hug.

1115 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:13:46am

re: #1080 windbrother


The only problem with your statement, WindBrother, is that Johnson wasn't as far left as BHO, and didn't take advantage of a "friendly" congress. BHO will join with PelosuiReid to institute far left/socialist policies and laws, and once they sit Fed & Scotus Justices, they have changed this country for 30-40 years by standing by whatever laws were put in place within the 1st 2 yrs of the BHO regime.

I always appreciate those that hope all will be well if we lose this one, but you are wearing your Pollyanna-rose-colored glasses, if you think this "change" will be correctable after 4 years.

1116 Gang of One  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:13:56am

re: #1102 doriangrey

Well said.

1117 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:14:16am

re: #1107 Spare O'Lake

Plus, you guys got the Universal Health Care!

//the grass is curiously always greener on either side...

1118 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:14:29am

re: #1097 legalpad

That's referring to spinoffs. Not links within the threads.

1119 jaunte  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:14:50am

Destroying an energy-based economy by imposing bankrupting taxes an energy production and use will also destroy the status of the US as a superpower.

1120 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:15:00am

re: #1082 aussiemagpie

We'd love to stick it to the Poms but we lost some major players through injury and we have a few rookies

But you never know...we do have ex All Black coach Robbie Deans and I reckon we're due for a major upset win

Well - he may well get things going, Robbie might.

We got Warren Gatland since January, another former AB, coached Ireland, got stabbed in the back, coached Wasps to triumphs, coached in NZ, and now he's ours! He's really instilled some formidable spirit, and he's getting the young 'uns into the squad. The whole of Wales just loves him, and his side-kick from Wasps, Shaun Edwards.
If dean is anything like - tehre'll be no nonsense: you don't perform, ye'r out. And that goes for training as well.

Famous anecdote:
Two top players chat during a training session, Shaun says - you do your chatting on the bench then.
And thats where they were, come the game ... taught them all a lesson ...

It'll be grand to watch one Kiwi (Dean) pit his lads against another Kiwi (Gatland)! Will make for outstanding rugby, no matter who wins.

1121 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:15:01am

re: #1117 laZardo

Plus, you guys got the Universal Health Care!

//the grass is curiously always greener on either side...

And come to the US for care. . .hmmm? Not sure if that is true or not. . .

1122 jaunte  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:15:09am

'on' energy production and use

1123 SurferDoc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:15:16am

re: #1098 realwest

"Don't over-worry."
So you're saying I should stop being myself then?!? LOL!
Thanks, as I said, I'll explain everything to 'em and see what they say. They have already shipped to me the new motherboard, CDplayer/writer and what I think is the new HD so we'll see!

I started out as anxious as you. Then I learned to build my own and fix my own. But I did use the Geek Squad (even before they had that name) back in the day and they are good. They should be able to get you up and running. From what you have been saying, I think there might be less wrong with your computer than you think. I hope I am right.

1124 bbuddha  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:15:18am

re: #1097 legalpad

My profile says zero links and I've posted a couple. Not sure why that happens.

1125 buzzdroid  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:15:33am

wizbang has picked up on the obama "make coal bankrupt" audio

[Link: wizbangblog.com...]

1126 6pat6  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:15:35am

re: #1112 Miss Trixie

His Royal Asshattedness

Your arrogance is astonishing. Just STFU and STFD and you just might learn something.

He has no desire to learn. He already knows everything, just ask him!

1127 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:15:47am

re: #1119 jaunte

Destroying an energy-based economy by imposing bankrupting taxes an energy production and use will also destroy the status of the US as a superpower.

Has anyone told Penn? The Virginias?

1128 vxbush  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:15:50am

re: #1106 goddessoftheclassroom

That's because I AM cute cat stuff...

(Oh, I hope pre-Boomer Marine brat sees that!)

Yes, but you have to admit, I found a lot of good stuff for you to use a few months ago!

1129 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:15:52am

re: #1121 DisturbedEma

Meh. The pro-Canada leftists in America always point to Canada as the model of the Universal Health Care system they want. q=

1130 yah  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:16:06am

re: #1080 windbrother
Socialism is something I could live with. I won't like it. We are already halfway there.
But Obama wants to take us further, to Marxism. That I cannot live with.

1131 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:16:15am

re: #1063 laZardo
Well assuming the Geek Squad doesn't - in spite of my shotgun best efforts to prevent them from doing so, totally fuck up my e-mail, y'all can e-mail me anytime you want to chat about things!

1132 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:16:32am

re: #1106 goddessoftheclassroom

That's because I AM cute cat stuff...

(Oh, I hope pre-Boomer Marine brat sees that!)

/dirty lecherous leer... Here kitty kitty... ;)

1133 albusteve  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:16:34am

re: #1100 lawhawk

His cap and trade policy would hit all fossil fuels - coal, NG, oil, LNG, liquefied coal, tar sands, etc. The coal industry would be hardest hit because it's the largest segment of the power production.

Where exactly does all that electricity get produced if Obama's policies come to fruition? He doesn't ever say. That's because it is a reductionist policy - it's a zero-to-negative growth policy.

And it would increase the costs of energy to the end user because those charges will be passed on to the consumers. It's a massive tax on consumers - another in a series of taxes and indirect fees that Obama looks to impose.

whirlygigs and wigits?...seriously he must be totaly delusional to try to sell this to the people...same with his position regarding corporate taxes...it ALL gets passed of to the consumer...why dont people understand this?...or do they and just dont care?...it's frightening

1134 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:16:36am

re: #1111 vxbush

Sigh. I hate seeing this.

Some in the evangelical community are now coming out and saying that Sarah Palin should not have received the VP slot because she's a woman, and that women are not allowed to lead.

Ouch. Why do I get the feeling that sometimes these people--and I count myself among them--cannot rub two brain cells and realize that if this were accurate (and I haven't yet thought through it all yet and researched it), G-d could forgive us because of the alternative?

Perhaps you could point out righteous women in the Bible who in fact DID lead. One that comes to mind is Deborah.
I will accept that women are not allowed positions of leadership in certain denominations but there is NO RESTRICTIONS on a woman's leading in secular society,

1135 legalpad  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:16:38am

re: #1103 BlueCanuck

Oh - thanks.

1136 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:17:34am

re: #1111 vxbush

Some in the evangelical community are now coming out and saying that Sarah Palin should not have received the VP slot because she's a woman, and that women are not allowed to lead.

That is a gross misinterpretation of Scripture. Leadership restrictions on women are not applicable in the secular world.

1137 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:17:44am

re: #1107 Spare O'Lake

No apologies needed. We are well aware of the current stress y'all are under, and we have pretty thick skin up here anyways.
You are correct about Canada having had a pretty easy time basking under the American security umbrella. However even before the current Conservative government came into power in 2006 the Liberals committed to sending troops to Afghanistan where our troops have been doing a fine job and have been regularly laying down their lives as well.
And under the Conservatives, recently reelected, we have actually been updating and expanding our military personnel and equipment.
Having said that, we still depend heavily on the US as our friendly neighbourhood superpower, and I hope we can continue to do so in the future.

Haar mate! We have our differences but each has come through for each other, that is what friends do. I am hoping the world will look around and see America cannot do it all on her own, and start providing the resources and wisdom neccessary for the job.
/the UN is not the answer, time for a new direction..

1138 6pat6  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:17:49am

re: #1133 albusteve

He's betting on the success of 50 years of a shitty government-driven educational system in this country to ensure the public's ignorance of what is going on.

1139 jaunte  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:17:53am

re: #1127 DisturbedEma
The whole country needs to hear that audio. That is as deliberate a statement of economic suicide as I've ever heard.

1140 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:17:55am

re: #1128 vxbush

Yes, but you have to admit, I found a lot of good stuff for you to use a few months ago!

Oh, I bow with gratitude to your expertise! I've printed out several of them on photo paper and decorated my class room door with them!

1141 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:17:56am

re: #1125 buzzdroid

So has Instapundit, who links back to Gateway Pundit. That pretty much means that the blogosphere will be buzzing the rest of the day with that story.

If Drudge goes with it, it could be a Monday morning surprise. The media has to bury the story (which it invariably will do, or claim that McCain's own policies will somehow be just as bad - though McCain never says that his intention is to bankrupt the coal industry, which is precisely what Obama does).

1142 nyc redneck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:18:21am

re: #1011 runrabbitrun

That's exactly what has been most on my mind lately too, and I've been speaking up about to other voters.

Obama claims his compassion leads him to want to help the weakest of this nation, but the folks he refers to are generally able to save themselves, even if it involves a lot of work and effort. The tiniest infants gasping for their lives- or even a few hours of it, God willing in less pain or discomfort - are totally helpless. Lord save us from that kind of hypocritical compassion: if you can't vote, you don't get any sympathy from Obama.

i heard a young woman on one of the radio talk shows several wks. ago. she had such a beautiful clear voice. she was a survivor of a botched saline abortion.
her teenage mother at nearly 7 1/2 mos. into her pregnancy decided she didn't want the baby. despite the procedure to eliminate the child, she survived. a perfect infant . no deformities, no mental deficiency. somehow, she was given care. and went on to be adopted by loving parents. and now is a spokeswoman for the rights of infants born alive from botched abortions.
if obama can find the right of abortion in the constitution, i just don't get why this learned constitutional scholar can't find a right to life for an infant born alive. it is breathing on it's own, it is clearly a human that deserves basic human rights. obama is committed to letting it die.
he needs to meet the young woman who survived the abortion and survived his intentions for her after she was born.
his calloused approach this is issue really shows what bad character and judgment he has. he does not see life as sacred. that doesn't fit his agenda.
he is not fit to lead our country.

1143 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:18:21am

re: #1134 goddessoftheclassroom

:)

I think we may be secret twins :)

1144 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:18:37am

Just have to show you this!
I hope you can watch the video - made me cry ...
That hopefully shows all those separatists that supporting the Armed Forces is beyond politics, even in Northern Ireland.

1145 buzzdroid  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:18:53am

re: #1119 jaunte

Destroying an energy-based economy by imposing bankrupting taxes an energy production and use will also destroy the status of the US as a superpower.

while also raising an obama paramilitary force to fight the U.S. military when things go pear shaped...

[Link: mrrockytop.blogspot.com...]

[Link: peakoiljournal.com...]

1146 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:18:54am

re: #1129 laZardo

Notice how they are all rich? I would love to see them wait four hours in an emergency room with a swelling appendix, or two hours with chest pain. Oh, oh, even better. Being put on a waiting list for a specialist that's 8 months long.


/yes those figures are accurate

1147 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:19:31am

re: #1140 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh, I bow with gratitude to your expertise! I've printed out several of them on photo paper and decorated my class room door with them!

Goddess - if you want to send me an email I can send you my link to my lolcat 'store'. I seem to have lost your email addy.

1148 loppyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:19:34am

re: #1143 mama winger

Hey mama winger!

Nice to see you. :)

1149 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:19:36am

re: #1132 doriangrey

/dirty lecherous leer... Here kitty kitty... ;)

This one is one that really made me laugh!

1150 yah  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:19:54am

re: #1102 doriangrey

That sure explains a lot. Thanks.

1151 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:20:02am

re: #1142 nyc redneck

Amen.

1152 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:20:03am

re: #1101 loppyd
In the 20's?! The 20's?!?! Oh I am SO GLAD I live in the South!

1153 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:20:06am

Gota run mates, Ziggy, I will catch up with you somwhere, somehow!

1154 buzzdroid  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:20:24am

re: #1141 lawhawk

So has Instapundit, who links back to Gateway Pundit. That pretty much means that the blogosphere will be buzzing the rest of the day with that story.

If Drudge goes with it, it could be a Monday morning surprise. The media has to bury the story (which it invariably will do, or claim that McCain's own policies will somehow be just as bad - though McCain never says that his intention is to bankrupt the coal industry, which is precisely what Obama does).

where are the coal states?

just wondering. isnt pennsylvania a swing state? or ohio?

1155 Spirit93  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:20:27am

re: #1040 Blazer in RIC

Over at Newsbusters they have Obama on tape saying he will bankrupt the coal industry. If this goes mainstream this could cost him the swing states for sure.

It's a good story, has already been mentioned by several commenters and it's in the links (http://littlegreenfootballs.com/link/104313).

We need to publicize this.

Digg here

Buzz here

Also submit to Drudge the YouTube link:

1156 vxbush  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:20:32am

re: #1134 goddessoftheclassroom

Perhaps you could point out righteous women in the Bible who in fact DID lead. One that comes to mind is Deborah.
I will accept that women are not allowed positions of leadership in certain denominations but there is NO RESTRICTIONS on a woman's leading in secular society,

Except the author I read this morning (and I would rather not post the link to it, although I will if strongly pushed) said that Deborah did not lead, but was a prophetess. The actual judge at that time was Barak, but he asked her to come with him when he fought.

It doesn't say that she led the fighting, but that she was present. And reading that section, I have to agree with his analysis. But when I look at Proverbs 31, the woman there does a whole lot more than just manage a house. And, as I am a Christian, I want to review what the New Testament says as well.

1157 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:20:38am

re: #1148 loppyd

Hey mama winger!

Nice to see you. :)

Hey dere, lopps! How are your plans coming along for the Big Day?

1158 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:20:46am

re: #1149 goddessoftheclassroom

This one is one that really made me laugh!

ROTFLMAO...

1159 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:20:54am
1160 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:20:59am

re: #1146 BlueCanuck

"Those figures are an exaggeration!"

/but I get ya.

1161 vxbush  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:21:10am

re: #1140 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh, I bow with gratitude to your expertise! I've printed out several of them on photo paper and decorated my class room door with them!

Excellent.

1162 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:21:22am

re: #1135 legalpad

No problem. I don't just hunt Boojums and Snarks.

/renaissance man I am.

1163 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:22:42am

re: #1159 windbrother

Oh for the love of pete.

Alaskan Nationalist Party.
Book banning.
Troubling flaws.

1164 albusteve  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:22:53am

re: #1138 6pat6

of course but I just dont want to believe it's as easy as that...maybe we actually outnumbered and surrounded...I mean the entire dismissle of common sense?...good lord

1165 JacksonTn  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:23:01am

re: #1130 yah

Socialism is something I could live with. I won't like it. We are already halfway there.
But Obama wants to take us further, to Marxism. That I cannot live with.

When you say that ... just think about how one will lead to another ... we cannot let them start ...

"Democracy is indispensable to Socialism."
--- Vladimir Lenin

"Democracy is the sure road to Socialism."
--- Karl Marx

"The goal of Socialism is Communism."
--- Vladimir Lenin

"Socialism leads to Communism."
--- Karl Marx

"Peace is the elimination of all opposition to Socialism"
--- Lenin/Marx

"In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property."
-- Karl Marx and Frederich Engels, The Communist Manifesto 1888 edition

1166 loppyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:23:16am

re: #1157 mama winger

Hey dere, lopps! How are your plans coming along for the Big Day?

No big decisions yet. Waiting for a quote from a place we looked at a few weeks ago. And trying to decide on the size...I'm leaning towards smaller.

1167 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:23:23am

re: #1143 mama winger

:)

I think we may be secret twins :)


Hey! I'm buying your apron now!

1168 aussiemagpie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:23:32am

re: #1120 yma o hyd

Well - he may well get things going, Robbie might.

We got Warren Gatland since January, another former AB, coached Ireland, got stabbed in the back, coached Wasps to triumphs, coached in NZ, and now he's ours! He's really instilled some formidable spirit, and he's getting the young 'uns into the squad. The whole of Wales just loves him, and his side-kick from Wasps, Shaun Edwards.
If dean is anything like - tehre'll be no nonsense: you don't perform, ye'r out. And that goes for training as well.

Famous anecdote:
Two top players chat during a training session, Shaun says - you do your chatting on the bench then.
And thats where they were, come the game ... taught them all a lesson ...

It'll be grand to watch one Kiwi (Dean) pit his lads against another Kiwi (Gatland)! Will make for outstanding rugby, no matter who wins.

Goodness, this is wonderful talking rugby on LGF it must seem like code to some :-)
We're looking forward to the game next week - yes to see how Gatland has revitalised your team - but not enough to win of course!

1169 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:23:33am

re: #1149 goddessoftheclassroom

This one is one that really made me laugh!

Me too!
Thanks for that link.

(I adore your and pbmb's exchanges!)

1170 jaunte  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:23:57am

re: #1159 windbrother

If you think those are problems in view of the Obama energy policy, the phrase 'straining at gnats' comes to mind.

1171 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:24:09am

re: #1160 laZardo

I wish they were, the first two examples were myself. The last is a friend of mine.

1172 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:24:12am

re: #1117 laZardo

Plus, you guys got the Universal Health Care!

//the grass is curiously always greener on either side...

Always. LOL.

1173 Gang of One  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:24:18am

re: #1163 mama winger

Oh for the love of pete.

Alaskan Nationalist Party.
Book banning.
Troubling flaws.

You beat me to it, Mama. Thanks.

1174 SurferDoc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:24:21am

Nitpicking Sarah Palin will not bring us closer to the goalposts. In contrast, Biden is a frakkin' disaster--but neither is running for the number one spot.

1175 Spirit93  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:24:30am

re: #1155 Spirit93

It's a good story, has already been mentioned by several commenters and it's in the links (http://littlegreenfootballs.com/link/104 313).

We need to publicize this.

Digg here

Buzz here

Also submit to Drudge the YouTube link: [Link: www.youtube.com...]

Sorry, I don't know what went wrong with the digg link. Try this.

1176 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:24:36am

re: #1112 Miss Trixie
Hey {Miss Trixie} *Smooches* back atcha gorgeous!
Thanks for the good wishes with the Geek Squad - I look at it in a positive light - if I get a NEW HardDrive, a NEW motherboard and a NEW CD, then I basically have a NEW computer and it's all under warranty! LOL!
Hope you're well and that Lil Miss isn't out terrorizing the 'hood just yet - if it's as cold in Boston as loppyd said, you must be freezing your tu...uh, butt off! Sure you don't wanna come down so I can warm it you up?

1177 jaunte  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:24:43am

'out' gnats

1178 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:25:03am

re: #1169 yma o hyd

Me too!
Thanks for that link.

(I adore your and pbmb's exchanges!)

I'm so glad! They're one of the highlights of my day!

Once someone unacquainted with the jokes jumped to my defense--it really was sweet!

1179 rawmuse  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:25:08am

re: #1159 windbrother

How do we even know you live in the US? Who the heck are you anyway? Why have you been registered so long and have only popped up with your BS now?

1180 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:25:09am

re: #1159 windbrotherGeez, man, which KoolAde have you been drinking--same as Peggy, Chris, HRH?

1181 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:25:13am

Civilian Security

Why would we even need something like that?

/it's the only way he'll be able to grab all the guns

1182 StinkHammer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:25:13am

Things appear to be getting more tense as election day nears -- tempers shortening, patience thinning, etc.

At the Obama Command Center located beneath my building there were a few heated confrontations last night between Obamanots and some passing dissenters. (Of course, the fact that there are a couple drinking establishments on the same block doesn't help to nullify the conflict...)

1183 bbuddha  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:25:17am

re: #1080 windbrother

I used to agree with you, I'm on record as saying I wasn't voting for the faux conservative...but time marched on and I learned a little about the man wishing to turn our country into the ussr with him in charge. did you listen to his 2001 interview with public radio? It is a little more important that repubs vs democrats this time. precisely because he will have a democrat majority and he's about as far left as you can possible go these changes could be lasting and seriously impact our safety as a country. Just remember, Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

1184 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:25:18am

re: #1159 windbrother

Oh for the lova pete, don't you guys ever quit?

/another sleeper folks.

1185 windbrother  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:25:20am

re: #1100 lawhawk

Well, please remember that John McCain supports cap and trade. No matter who gets elected there will be penalties for coal, whether in cap-and-trade or a direct carbon tax. Even Kansas under Sebalias has banned new coal plants. It is *not* the favored power source going forward unless CO2 capture and sequestration (CCS) technology evolves rapidly. Even McCain is pushing for rapidly increasing renewables, nuclear, and all sources across the board.

Coal is bad for any number of reasons - you are aware that the amount of radioactive material (heavy radionuclides, e.g. thorium / uranium) released per year by coal plants in the US exceeds that released by Chernobyl? And also the high mercury emissions?

Coal may be *necessary* but it is not *desirable*.

1186 loppyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:25:28am

re: #1159 windbrother

Book banning?

Pu-leeze.

1187 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:25:47am

re: #1154 buzzdroid

Here are the coal states in visual form. Here's their production tallies in tabular form.

The battleground states mesh well, including OH, PA, and CO. It also includes much of the heartland, and many other states.

As I have repeatedly noted above, every state is affected by this inane policy because so much power is derived from coal. 50% worth. Everyone would see their energy bills rise exponentially as a result of this plan because the utilities would not simply absorb the tax, but pass it on to the customers.

1188 JacksonTn  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:26:28am

re: #1154 buzzdroid

where are the coal states?

just wondering. isnt pennsylvania a swing state? or ohio?

Map of Coal States:

Image: coal_map.gif

1189 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:26:59am

re: #1159 windbrother

I fear for all of us if she comes to power. She has a well documented history of trying to drive people that she does not approve of away and use official resources on such wastes of time as book banning.

So tell me what you think of Obama's history of using the Allinsky methods to eliminate political opponents.

Tell me what you think of Obama's denial of past associations with radicals and terrorists.

Tell me what you think of Obama's party using government offices to investigate and ruin private citizens who ask uncomfortable questions.

Tell me what you think of a CIVILIAN SECURITY FORCE.

Tell me what you think of Obama's record stating that he does not favor guns in the hands of private citizens.

Tell me what you think about letting children born alive being denied medical care.

For starters. Then we can go from there.

1190 SurferDoc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:27:15am

Concern Troll alert.

/but y'all knew that

1191 rawmuse  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:27:29am

re: #1185 windbrother

This guy is registered 4 + years, not a peep out of him, then comes on with all this Eeyore BS on Nov. 2, 2008, after sleeping for all that time.

Moby.

1192 ciaospirit  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:27:35am

Central Ohio lizards. Sarah Palin is at Rickenbacker today. Doors open at 2:00.

1193 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:27:38am

re: #1167 wahabicorridor

Hey! I'm buying your apron now!

Ohh! I do so hope you enjoy it! Thanks so much!

1194 jaunte  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:27:40am

Book banning b.s.

1195 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:27:53am

re: #1159 windbrother

Todd Palin has done his own events. You are woefully ill informed.

And 0bama's a flat out marxist.

1196 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:28:17am

re: #1185 windbrother

Coal may be bad, but there are ways to make it better. I just can't believe that you are still falling for that whole CO2 greenhouse gas thing.

1197 albusteve  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:28:21am

when it comes down to we can all meet up down on the bayou with these guys...

1198 loppyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:28:37am

BBIAB

1199 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:28:51am

Pflouffe (sp?) leaves a slime trail when he slithers.

I have a hard time deciding which I loathe more, him or Axelrod.

/keeping in mind that Obama himself is a whole 'nother level of evil.

1200 Bobblehead  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:28:59am

Powerline has the video of McCain's "infomercial" from SNL last night. Amusing. Interesting that Republicans are the only ones to have a sense of humor about themselves.

1201 ClosetConservative  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:29:10am

Good morning, folks. As soon as I finish my breakfast I'm off to the McCain headquarters to make calls. I'm tellin' ya that we can win New Hampshire. The responses over the phone are incredibly positive. Gallup can go fuck himself, the only poll that matters is the poll on Nov. 4th.

1202 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:29:24am

re: #1159 windbrother

Blimey - another one!
Just as predicted: they'll come out of the woodworks in the last 72 hours to try and spread doom, gloom and despondency.

So you think its better to vote for that empty suit, do you?
Because McCain is ... old! And Sarah was spoofed!

Very very pertinent arguments!
NOT!

1203 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:29:25am

re: #1185 windbrother

Unless and until someone comes up with another power source that is as cheap as coal, and can run 24/7/365, coal will remain king not only here in the US, but around the world.

Opposition to nuclear prevents new nukes from being built - and the waste issue is a massive deterrent, particularly because Harry Reid is blocking the opening of Yucca Mt.

The amount of smokestack emissions from coal can be reduced over time with technologies, but the fact is that there is no viable alternatives, and Obama's policies and statements clearly intend to bankrupt the industry. McCain isn't nearly as vociferous in his desire to destroy the industry, and he too supports the junk science of cap and trade. However, he's pushing for multiple alternatives in addition to taxing the coal industry.

1204 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:29:26am

re: #1195 Sharmuta

Good morning Sharmuta, how are you this fine November morning.

/get out the bats, it's going to be a long week.

1205 StinkHammer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:29:40am

re: #1189 mama winger

So tell me what you think of Obama's history of using the Allinsky methods to eliminate political opponents.

Tell me what you think of Obama's denial of past associations with radicals and terrorists.

Tell me what you think of Obama's party using government offices to investigate and ruin private citizens who ask uncomfortable questions.

Tell me what you think of a CIVILIAN SECURITY FORCE.

Tell me what you think of Obama's record stating that he does not favor guns in the hands of private citizens.

Tell me what you think about letting children born alive being denied medical care.

For starters. Then we can go from there.

WOW -- both barrels, Mama! Let 'em fly!

;^)

1206 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:29:53am

re: #1181 Killian Bundy

Civilian Security

Why would we even need something like that?

/it's the only way he'll be able to grab all the guns

Yes, i believe that is the goal here. Establish a Citizen Militia, then restrict gun ownership to only those in the militia, using the language of the 2nd Amendment as justification for confiscation from private individuals.

1207 windbrother  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:30:01am

re: #1163 mama winger

I'd really like to know how you feel about her and her qualifications. There are two questions I'd like anyone on this thread to answer:

What about the fake Sarkozy phone call yesterday that's now plastered all over? This points to a larger issue of her handlers and aides being competent - and I believe that this is an *extremely* relevant point.

What about Todd Palin's membership in a political party that supports secession from the United States? How is that not relevant?

1208 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:30:16am

re: #1165 JacksonTn

"In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property."
-- Karl Marx and Frederich Engels, The Communist Manifesto 1888 edition

I admit that I have read The Manifesto for a project in Political Science class (resulted in a PowerPoint presentation styled like the intro Borat, funny stuff).

I will have to add here that in response to the bourgeoisie's criticisms that Communism will "destroy public property," they accused the bourgeoisie of pretty much laying the concept of "private property" to waste through the ownership practices of the day:

You are horrified at our intending to do away with private property. But in your existing society, private property is already done away with for nine-tenths of the population; its existence for the few is solely due to its non-existence in the hands of those nine-tenths. You reproach us, therefore, with intending to do away with a form of property, the necessary condition for whose existence is the non-existence of any property for the immense majority of society.

In one word, you reproach us with intending to do away with your property. Precisely so; that is just what we intend.

SNIP

You must, therefore, confess that by “individual” you mean no other person than the bourgeois, than the middle-class owner of property. This person must, indeed, be swept out of the way, and made impossible.

Hence, "spread the wealth."

1209 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:30:18am

Hi Blue- I'm well this morning. How are you?

1210 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:30:21am
1211 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:30:26am

re: #1159 windbrother

Oh, brother. GAZE.

1212 spypeach  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:30:30am

re: #1111 vxbush

Do you have something to support that? It sounds like you just made that up out of thin air.

1213 Miss Trixie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:30:37am

re: #1176 realwest

Hey {Miss Trixie} *Smooches* back atcha gorgeous!
Thanks for the good wishes with the Geek Squad - I look at it in a positive light - if I get a NEW HardDrive, a NEW motherboard and a NEW CD, then I basically have a NEW computer and it's all under warranty! LOL!
Hope you're well and that Lil Miss isn't out terrorizing the 'hood just yet - if it's as cold in Boston as loppyd said, you must be freezing your tu...uh, butt off! Sure you don't wanna come down so I can warm it you up?

*stands akimbo*
*impatiently tapping foot*
*glances at wristwatch*

Well? I'm waaaitinnng.

:D

1214 ClosetConservative  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:30:38am

There is no evidence that Sarah Palin ever tried to have any books banned, period. She simply asked the librarian if there was a procedure in place for such an action. Hell, she probably got a request from some helicopter mommy who objected to a positive book about the American military.

1215 jaunte  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:31:06am

re: #1207 windbrother

Two extremely minor points, in the face of a deliberate plan to bankrupt the power producers of the nation.

1216 Bobblehead  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:31:17am

re: #1174 SurferDoc

This is a no bad talking Sarah zone! You betcha!

1217 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:31:25am

re: #1171 BlueCanuck

...ouch. X_x Sorry to hear about that.

1218 yah  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:31:38am

re: #1165 JacksonTn

Yep.

1219 loppyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:31:49am

re: #1201 ClosetConservative

Good morning, folks. As soon as I finish my breakfast I'm off to the McCain headquarters to make calls. I'm tellin' ya that we can win New Hampshire. The responses over the phone are incredibly positive. Gallup can go fuck himself, the only poll that matters is the poll on Nov. 4th.

Good for you! I went to Stratham, NH yesterday and will be doing more super secret campaign stuff tomorrow night.

The mood was great yesterday- upbeat and positive!

Thanks for helping out!

1220 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:31:50am

re: #1207 windbrother

Please ignore the troll, folks. GAZE into his eyes.

1221 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:31:54am

re: #1189 mama winger

Amen, MW!

1222 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:31:56am

re: #1209 Sharmuta

Doing good. A little tired though. I think I will let the day shift handle this new infestation though. :)

1223 JacksonTn  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:32:10am

re: #1197 albusteve

when it comes down to we can all meet up down on the bayou with these guys...
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Great! Makes me want to pinch a tail and suck a head! New Orleans Native here ...Tennessee farmer now ...

1224 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:32:23am

re: #1206 mama winger

Yes, i believe that is the goal here. Establish a Citizen Militia, then restrict gun ownership to only those in the militia, using the language of the 2nd Amendment as justification for confiscation from private individuals.

And that sparks the 2nd Civil War...(or revolution, depending on your look at the terminology).

1225 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:32:24am

re: #1207 windbrother

I'd really like to know how you feel about her and her qualifications.

I am Sarah Palin.

1226 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:32:49am

re: #1168 aussiemagpie

Goodness, this is wonderful talking rugby on LGF it must seem like code to some :-)
We're looking forward to the game next week - yes to see how Gatland has revitalised your team - but not enough to win of course!

Ahem - we only won the Grand Slam this year, and beat England at Twickers, for the first time in 27 years ... old men were crying in the streets of Wales.

And that game is a perfect example for not ever giving up until the final whistle is blown - we were behind, 3 : 16, and beat them 24 : 16, in the last quarter of the second half.

Never give up!

1227 6pat6  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:32:53am

re: #1164 albusteve

I mean the entire dismissle of common sense?...good lord

Look at who is voting for B-HO...that should indicate that not everybody HAS common sense. Some are just plain stupid.

1228 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:33:05am

re: #1216 Bobblehead

This is a no bad talking Sarah zone! You betcha!

/then the last thread must be the Forbidden Zone

1229 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:33:12am

re: #1159 windbrother

Fuck off, sleeper.

1230 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:33:23am

re: #1207 windbrother

Uh- nice deflection. Let's discuss 0bama first, shall we? What do you think of his philosophy so closely resembling that of the Weather Underground?

1231 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:33:32am

re: #1225 mama winger

I am Sarah Palin.

I want to BE Sarah Palin. I know I couldn't have borne all the personal attacks as she has.

1232 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:33:35am

re: #1206 mama winger


Another AMEN!

1233 SurferDoc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:33:38am

re: #1207 windbrother

I'd really like to know how you feel about her and her qualifications. There are two questions I'd like anyone on this thread to answer:

What about the fake Sarkozy phone call yesterday that's now plastered all over? This points to a larger issue of her handlers and aides being competent - and I believe that this is an *extremely* relevant point.

What about Todd Palin's membership in a political party that supports secession from the United States? How is that not relevant?

Troll.

1234 ClosetConservative  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:33:59am

re: #1207 windbrother

Weren't Michelle Obama's comments about 'first time ever proud American' deemed irrelevant earlier in the year by our Dear Leader?

And weren't Sasha and Malia declared off limits by the same left that skewered Bristol Palin?

1235 albusteve  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:34:06am

re: #1207 windbrother

I'd really like to know how you feel about her and her qualifications. There are two questions I'd like anyone on this thread to answer:

What about the fake Sarkozy phone call yesterday that's now plastered all over? This points to a larger issue of her handlers and aides being competent - and I believe that this is an *extremely* relevant point.

What about Todd Palin's membership in a political party that supports secession from the United States? How is that not relevant?

dont be rediculous...your gonna ruin my sunday morning vibe man...

1236 musicman  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:34:06am

Who is the guy in the Zoot Suit and see if you can spot Barney Frank.

Make Mine Freedom 1948

1237 rain of lead  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:34:13am

morning y'all

1238 yesandno  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:34:37am

re: #1207 windbrother

I'd really like to know how you feel about her and her qualifications. There are two questions I'd like anyone on this thread to answer:

What about the fake Sarkozy phone call yesterday that's now plastered all over? This points to a larger issue of her handlers and aides being competent - and I believe that this is an *extremely* relevant point.

What about Todd Palin's membership in a political party that supports secession from the United States? How is that not relevant?


Windbrother...a member of the Fuckowee Indians...name translated to one who farts from the mouth.

1239 legalpad  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:34:41am

re: #1162 BlueCanuck

No problem. I don't just hunt Boojums and Snarks.

/renaissance man I am.

Well, I guess I hunt them sometimes. But not if they won't stick their conceptual head out. It's just that when the Mad Hatter pretends to be rational, I enjoy boxing him in.

bbl

1240 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:34:42am

re: #1185 windbrother

Coal may be *necessary* but it is not *desirable*.

As the bard said, there is the rub... Those of us who are conservative understand the consequences of a society as large as ours not having the energy to operate. Hospitals do not function without electricity, neither do fire departments or airports. The manufacturing industry cannot manufacture, the entertainment industry cannot entertain.

A small agrarian society can survive without electricity, when 300 million people can not get or preserve food or water the death toll is staggering beyond comprehension.

1241 jaunte  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:34:49am

re: #1225 mama winger

Let me add, thatSarah Palin is eminently more qualified than the Democrat presidential candidate because she is a self-made woman, a sincere and patriotic American who wants the best for the country. Not like the other.

1242 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:34:50am

*leans back with bowl of popcorn* The BBQ is still set up, and the coals are nice and red.

1243 Miss Trixie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:34:53am

BTW - new avatar test ... :D

1244 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:35:30am

re: #1141 lawhawk
Hi lawhawk! Heard on Fox and Friends this morning - from two Dems and two Republicans that the race is over - NOTHING could change the outcome on Tuesday and McCain is gonna get killed so we should all make nice to President elect Obama.

FUCK THAT. IF Obama wins (which I still doubt) I intend to fight that S.O.B. for BUYING this election, reneging on more pledges and lying more than any politician I've ever seen INCLUDING LBJ, and for trying to SCREW MY COUNTRY. I'm SERIOUS. More often than not we've been playing "D" with Bush in the WH - now with the Dems in control - IF they win Control - we get to go on OFFENSE and they REALLY have no idea what they are in for. They can't but help disappoint their supporters cause they've promised everything to everyone, they will raise taxes, there will be - regrettably - another attack on the US and I intend to fight that sonofabitch all the way - action for action and word for word until we get America back.
AND YES, I'm taking names and payback is gonna be a bitch.

1245 albusteve  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:36:23am

re: #1223 JacksonTn

Great! Makes me want to pinch a tail and suck a head! New Orleans Native here ...Tennessee farmer now ...

native in my heart only...pinch and suck!...hahaha

1246 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:36:25am

re: #1231 goddessoftheclassroom

I want to BE Sarah Palin. I know I couldn't have borne all the personal attacks as she has.

Yes, you stated it much better than I did.

Yesterday at my local RNC we got a phone call from her. I was thrilled.

1247 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:36:27am

Palin-hatred is my new litmus test for idiocy.

1248 SurferDoc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:36:31am

/locked on

1249 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:36:45am

re: #1238 yesandno

Windbrother...a member of the Fuckowee Indians...name translated to one who farts from the mouth.

LOL! Nasty but funny.

1250 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:36:48am

re: #1243 Miss Trixie

BTW - new avatar test ... :D

I LOVE IT !

1251 FrogMarch  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:36:50am
1252 StinkHammer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:36:54am

re: #1207 windbrother

What about Todd Palin's membership in a political party that supports secession from the United States? How is that not relevant?

On the contrary: As the husband of the VICE-President (if elected) how the fuck IS it relevent? How is Todd Palin going to be at all responsible for crafting legistlation?

Paranoid horseshit.

1253 rain of lead  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:37:00am

and now for some football talk
the undefeated 7-0 Tennesse Titans will take on the Green Bay Packers
today and the cheeseheads will be turned into cheese soup!

1254 phoenixgirl  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:37:04am

re: #1159 windbrother

wind...wow.

1255 buzzdroid  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:37:11am

weather underground - we'll kill 25 million americans

[Link: ginacobb.typepad.com...]


fits in to the bankrupting the coal industry - with the resultant chaos requiring an obama civillian paramilitary force that is LOYAL TO HIM...

1256 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:37:12am

re: #1207 windbrother

I'd really like to know how you feel about her and her qualifications. There are two questions I'd like anyone on this thread to answer:

What about the fake Sarkozy phone call yesterday that's now plastered all over? This points to a larger issue of her handlers and aides being competent - and I believe that this is an *extremely* relevant point.

What about Todd Palin's membership in a political party that supports secession from the United States? How is that not relevant?

Ffs - that old story!
How qualified is Obama then?
Just give us some examples, do ...

1257 6pat6  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:37:20am

Troll "windbrother"

no longer even exists

! Wow, a "non-poster"! How Obamian 1984 is that! Cool!

1258 Miss Trixie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:37:39am

re: #1242 BlueCanuck

*leans back with bowl of popcorn* The BBQ is still set up, and the coals are nice and red.

Yee-hawww! I'll take a MR filet of beef, please.

:D

1259 nyc redneck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:37:52am

re: #1208 laZardo

Hence, "spread the wealth."

mugabe started to "share the wealth" and take the private property in the 60's.
zimbabwe is a dead country now.

1260 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:37:54am

re: #1244 realwest

RW, A man after my own heart--I will not go quietly into that long good night without a fight.

1261 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:38:30am

I am told that it is now time to go rake the leaves.
BBL.

1262 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:38:31am

re: #1243 Miss Trixie

BTW - new avatar test ... :D


verrry cute - but I vote for Darth and the yorkie

So what kind of soup are we making today? (I think I might rustle up some hlushki)

1263 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:38:36am

re: #1236 musicman

Whenever I hear ISM...I think of my old alma-mater.

/malt shops sound so swell though...

1264 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:38:37am

re: #1156 vxbush

Except the author I read this morning (and I would rather not post the link to it, although I will if strongly pushed) said that Deborah did not lead, but was a prophetess. The actual judge at that time was Barak, but he asked her to come with him when he fought.

It doesn't say that she led the fighting, but that she was present. And reading that section, I have to agree with his analysis. But when I look at Proverbs 31, the woman there does a whole lot more than just manage a house. And, as I am a Christian, I want to review what the New Testament says as well.

Prophetess= visionary?

Leadership quality? Maybe you could sell the VP as handmaiden role? Man, I just spit up typing that! Wish my moonbat PDS co workers could see themselves as being just as asshattery!

1265 windbrother  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:38:38am

re: #1212 spypeach

I'm asking two legitimate concerns here. There are several people I know that are still undecided that are friends of my parents that I'd really like to convince to vote for McCain.

Those are legitimate questions that have been asked of me and I'd like to know how to answer them.

And for the record, I'm not a troll. That generally requires: a) ad hominem personal attacks; b) gratuitous baiting; and c) extreme disrespect for everyone else's viewpoints.

And I can assure you that I'm neither inarticulate nor trying to bait anyone on this thread.

If you'll see my first post, it's thanking everyone here for being civil. Charles has always, consistently, tried to keep things civil here and banned posters that advocated extreme views.

1266 lori lane  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:38:45am

re: #1243 Miss Trixie

BTW - new avatar test ... :D

too cute! :)

1267 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:39:10am

re: #1254 phoenixgirl

wind...wow.

Good morning PG ((PG))

1268 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:39:41am

re: #1242 BlueCanuck

We could try some Bearnaise sauce.

1269 lori lane  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:39:57am

OT: How does a Lizzard go about making her nic blue?

1270 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:39:58am

re: #1268 Sharmuta

Don't get saucy with me! :)

1271 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:40:05am

re: #1243 Miss Trixie

BTW - new avatar test ... :D

LOL!
Love it!

1272 Miss Trixie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:40:07am

re: #1250 mama winger

I LOVE IT !

Hiya, toots!

Cracks me up every time! How are you and how's your pupster?

1273 6pat6  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:40:09am

The Jackasses have sure been worried about Palin's qualifications to be VPOTUS over B-HO's qualifications to be the POTUS...I have always found that amusing and troublesome at the same time.

1274 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:40:10am

re: #1244 realwest

I with you Real... after watching them defame my guy for 8 years, undermine my country and the war we are in... I have no desire to "just accept" their POS POTUS and be nice.

What was it? "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" they kept telling us... well reap the whirlwind, assholes.

1275 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:40:56am

What the fuck is it with the mobys today?

1276 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:40:57am

re: #1269 lori lane

Simple. Add email information or website information in your info (my account, or where you post).

1277 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:40:58am

re: #1265 windbrother

Those aren't legitimate questions unless you trek in Koz & huffie's poitings.

Get real.

1278 spypeach  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:41:19am

I hate it when Republicans get on T.V. and act like that, they could learn a little about loyalty from the dems. Why don't they say hey get out and vote we can win this thing, if not they just need to STFU.

1279 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:41:27am

re: #1207 windbrother

Your obsessed with her aren't you.

1280 SurferDoc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:41:36am

"The concern troll posts in web forums devoted to its declared point of view and attempts to sway the group's actions or opinions while claiming to share their goals, but with professed "concerns". The goal is to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt within the group."

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

1281 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:41:41am

re: #1252 StinkHammer

On the contrary: As the husband of the VICE-President (if elected) how the fuck IS it relevent? How is Todd Palin going to be at all responsible for crafting legistlation?

Paranoid horseshit.


HIS SON IS FIGHTING FOR THE US IN IRAQ-KISS MY ASS WIND BROTHER!

1282 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:41:51am

re: #1189 mama winger
Hi {mama} - I'd suggest a GAZE might be in order for our misinformed or deliberating misinforming windhorse, ya know?

1283 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:42:01am

re: #1269 lori lane

Just above the comment box there a spot in enter your email address, then check the box for "show email".

1284 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:42:09am

re: #1265 windbrother

Wait- you're trying to convince people to vote for McCain and you're letting them get away with redefining the discussion to Sarah Palin?! This isn't about Sarah Palin. This is about 0bama. When you allow people to deflect from the real question, you're going to lose the argument every time.

1285 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:42:30am

re: #1272 Miss Trixie

Hiya, toots!

Cracks me up every time! How are you and how's your pupster?

I'm doing great! And my pup is gloriously glorious. Everyday he makes me laugh. I could not ask for more.

Dogs are a gift from God, eh?

1286 StinkHammer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:42:38am

re: #1274 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" they kept telling us...

And an absolutely ridiculous statement in and of itself, at that (one crafted by the Marxist "historian" Howard Zinn, I believe). Giving one's life in service to one's country is the highest form of patriotism.

1287 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:42:54am

re: #1282 realwest

Hi {mama} - I'd suggest a GAZE might be in order for our misinformed or deliberating misinforming windhorse, ya know?

Ya, I tink so to.

1288 buzzdroid  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:43:16am

[Link: confederateyankee.mu.nu...]

amazing how the "25 million americans dead" never made it to the mainstream media..

now imagine if some associate of McCain had said that he wanted to eliminate all the black people in america. do you think that the MSM would have ignored it?

of course not.

1289 imploder  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:43:30am

re: #1284 Sharmuta

Wait- you're trying to convince people to vote for McCain and you're letting them get away with redefining the discussion to Sarah Palin?! This isn't about Sarah Palin. This is about 0bama. When you allow people to deflect from the real question, you're going to lose the argument every time.

Sarah Palin's got 'em frothing at the mouth for some reason.

1290 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:43:31am

re: #1273 6pat6

The Jackasses have sure been worried about Palin's qualifications to be VPOTUS over B-HO's qualifications to be the POTUS...I have always found that amusing and troublesome at the same time.

Be careful who you call a jackass.

/one thread down, don't go there

1291 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:43:37am

re: #1268 Sharmuta

Excellent suggestion. What should we do for a side?

1292 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:43:40am

Note to self: keep my tea in a vacuum flask thingy and have a spare wireless network thingy on hand.

1293 nyc redneck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:43:41am

re: #1275 wahabicorridor

What the fuck is it with the mobys today?

trying to demoralize us.
fat chance. LOL

1294 Miss Trixie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:43:45am

re: #1262 wahabicorridor

verrry cute - but I vote for Darth and the yorkie

So what kind of soup are we making today? (I think I might rustle up some hlushki)

Hi hon. *mwah* I've got some leftover roast beef and I'm going to roast some barley so I can make beef & barley, loaded with root veggies, spiked with garlic and sweetened with a little tomato.

Hlushki? *blink*blink* What's that?

1295 6pat6  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:43:45am

The Leftards have things so messed up in their own minds. Delusion, paranoia, and the inability to grasp the truth must be difficult things to live with. Plus, Libs NEVER smile. Unless, someone on the Right is in distress or dies, then they whoop it up, drinking their KoolAid...

1296 windbrother  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:43:49am

re: #1205 StinkHammer

Did I ever say that I was an Obama supporter? No.

Now you're attacking me for just asking questions? And several posters have already called me a troll or told me to "fuck off."

There are, in fact, such things as independent voters. Of which I am one.

And for the record, I do NOT approve of many things in Obama's platform. "Civilian National Security Force" indeed. And he generally concerns me.

I'm not going to defend him because that's not why I'm here.

1297 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:43:50am

re: #1274 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

well reap the whirlwind, assholes.

You got that right. But I've been giving some thought to practicalities - and I think we're looking a a need for some $$$. 'Cuz we're gonna need lawyers.

1298 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:44:21am

re: #1207 windbrother
GAZE.

1299 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:44:30am

re: #1270 lawhawk

Don't get saucy with me! :)

ROTFLMAO... Sharmuta makes her Bearnaise sauce with lots of habanero peppers.

1300 Miss Trixie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:44:37am

re: #1271 yma o hyd

LOL!
Love it!

Your collie is gorgeous, luv.

1301 6pat6  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:44:55am

re: #1290 Killian Bundy

OK.

1302 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:45:01am

re: #1265 windbrother

I'm asking two legitimate concerns here. There are several people I know that are still undecided that are friends of my parents that I'd really like to convince to vote for McCain.

Those are legitimate questions that have been asked of me and I'd like to know how to answer them.

And for the record, I'm not a troll. That generally requires: a) ad hominem personal attacks; b) gratuitous baiting; and c) extreme disrespect for everyone else's viewpoints.

And I can assure you that I'm neither inarticulate nor trying to bait anyone on this thread.

If you'll see my first post, it's thanking everyone here for being civil. Charles has always, consistently, tried to keep things civil here and banned posters that advocated extreme views.


ummm if you had even a basic knowledge of the accusation toward Palin, you would know that having a son in the US armed forces would make folly of anyone who would make such a claim. . .seperatists do not offer up such service. . .they disavow the control of the US government over them. . .and would not allow any of their number to fight for a government they did not see having authority.

So, for you your undecided friends. . .let them chew that over. . .and if they persist in such ignorance, tell them to kiss MY ass:)

1303 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:45:03am

re: #1299 doriangrey

And no cilantro.

1304 lori lane  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:45:18am

re: #1276 lawhawk

Thx! I tried that one time and it didn't work. I'll give it another go!

1305 aussiemagpie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:45:34am

re: #1226 yma o hyd

Ahem - we only won the Grand Slam this year, and beat England at Twickers, for the first time in 27 years ... old men were crying in the streets of Wales.

And that game is a perfect example for not ever giving up until the final whistle is blown - we were behind, 3 : 16, and beat them 24 : 16, in the last quarter of the second half.

Never give up!

It will be a terrific series no doubt - good on Wales, and I think your team is ranked higher than England? I can imagine the emotion after beating the Poms - it's a wonderful feeling!

Being long time Wallabies supporters, we never give up and we'll stick with our boys

Thanks for this nice rugby chat - it's bedtime for me now as it's almost 3am - and I'm due at work in 6 hours!

Goodnight and see you here later

1306 albusteve  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:45:47am

re: #1279 Mich-again

Your obsessed with her aren't you.

sinister and malevolent as well...very spooky these people...hard to believe you sat next to one at the game yesterday or whatever...I cant help but stereotype "them"...

1307 imploder  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:46:02am

re: #1303 Sharmuta

And no cilantro.

Cilantro tastes like soap to 15% of the population.

1308 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:46:07am

re: #1286 StinkHammer

And an absolutely ridiculous statement in and of itself, at that (one crafted by the Marxist "historian" Howard Zinn, I believe). Giving one's life in service to one's country is the highest form of patriotism.

Actually being attributed to Jefferson accroding to the bumper of my moonbat coworker's car. . .

1309 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:46:23am

re: #1285 mama winger

I'm doing great! And my pup is gloriously glorious. Everyday he makes me laugh. I could not ask for more.

Dogs are a gift from God, eh?

They truly are!
And they can indeed make you laugh even when you're feeling very very blue.

{to all the Lizard dogs and dog owners}
{and to the cats and cat owners, natch!}

1310 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:46:41am

re: #1213 Miss Trixie
Watcha mean you're waiting?!? The invitation was for you to come down here where it's gonna be in the 70's today!
COME ON DOWN!

1311 ClosetConservative  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:47:00am

I apologize if I sound paranoid here, but perhaps we all ought to stop for a minute and consider the possibility of an Obama presidency.

He says that he'll cut military spending and slash our missile defense systems. On the other side of the world, Iran is building nukes that, in 6 years of development, could strike the United States.

He says that he'll hamstring and bankrupt the coal industry, while they produce so much of our power. He won't allow the opening of new nuclear plants and will instead run after utopian energy options.

He says that he'll re-regulate our economy, when it was really his party that screwed us over anyways. Freddie and Fannie got forced into buying up all the subprime loans by people like Bill Clinton and Maxine Walters who believe house ownership is a birthright.

He says he'll renegotiate free trade agreements. We've already seen the results of that as Canada just signed a trade agreement with France to prepare for an Obama presidency. Protectionism hasn't been tried since Herbert Hoover, and now isn't a great time to try it. The fact of the matter is that as long as Chinese labor is cheap and their currency is hugely inflated, we can never close the trade gap no matter what regulation we try.

He says he'll freeze foreclosures for 90 days. When all those foreclosed houses hit the market at once at the end of the 90 days, the huge influx of supply and correlating lack of demand in a soft housing market cause values to plummet, so the banks are left with even less capital to lend.

I could go on... but I'm off to the McCain office. Git'r'done!

1312 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:47:11am

Deletions already?

1313 lori lane  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:47:22am

re: #1283 Killgore Trout

thx, KT!

1314 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:47:34am

re: #1251 FrogMarch

Tolerance.

Nasty, but not out of the ordinary in Chi-town. Chicago has a long and ignoble history of election related violence.

1315 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:48:15am

re: #1307 imploder

Cilantro tastes like soap to 15% of the population.

sigh... and dirt to another 15% me on the other hand, I love it... you just cant make a descent salsa without it...

1316 StinkHammer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:48:19am

re: #1296 windbrother

I'm not telling you to "fuck off," nor am I questioning your voting preference. I was pointing out that your concern about Todd Palin is patently irrational.

I'm not here to condemn you for disagreeing -- I'm only going to call bullshit arguments when I see them.

1317 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:48:23am

re: #1228 Killian Bundy
"/then the last thread must be the Forbidden Zone"
Uh, what?

1318 windbrother  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:48:28am

re: #1290 Killian Bundy

Thank you for the civility to answer my questions. If I'm asking questions, that does *not* qualify me as a jackass, a troll, a Moby, a sleeper, or an agent provocateur for that matter.

Perhaps my tone earlier wasn't the best - for which I apologize. I've gotten a little harsh in my language myself because when I talk to anyone about politics - Obama supporters call me a wingnut, and when I come onto these kinds of threads, I get raked over the coals and have some very harsh language applied to me.

1319 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:48:38am

re: #1297 wahabicorridor

You got that right. But I've been giving some thought to practicalities - and I think we're looking a a need for some $$$. 'Cuz we're gonna need lawyers.

Well, being pretty short of cash... I was thinking about building papermache heads or maybe giant puppets.

/I don't think I'd be good on stilts, tho'

1320 phoenixgirl  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:48:39am

(((dorian))) how are you?

1321 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:48:56am

re: #1307 imploder

Cilantro tastes like soap to 15% of the population.

How would you know what soap tastes like? /mom wash your mouth out once? /heh

1322 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:49:46am

re: #1310 realwest

Watcha mean you're waiting?!? The invitation was for you to come down here where it's gonna be in the 70's today!
COME ON DOWN!

ROTFLMAO... You just dont understand women do you real? What you actually did, was to invite yourself to GO GET HER... lol...lol...lol...

1323 Miss Trixie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:49:53am

re: #1285 mama winger

I'm doing great! And my pup is gloriously glorious. Everyday he makes me laugh. I could not ask for more.

Dogs are a gift from God, eh?

Without a doubt, so true. Presently, Lil Miss is slobbering and leaving nose prints on the patio glass door yelling at the squirrels.

At the end of the day, I have to clean a strip of glass 8" up, 4" wide and 3.5' long.

Meh. She's just doing her job ... :D

1324 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:50:09am

Gonna head to bed now. Mondays I'm going from 11-9, and even though I'm off Tuesday, this Wednesday will be an 8am-8pm field trip to several craftsmaking towns in the nearby provinces (our "countryside") for Material Technology 1 class (on 'naturally-made' materials, MT2 is for the 'synthetics') hopefully culminating with watching Quantum of Solace in the late evening.

Hopefully being out all Wednesday will ease the suspense of knowing who the winner was. I've even asked my parents NOT to give me any election news starting Tuesday evening.

Cheers!

1325 StinkHammer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:50:09am

re: #1308 DisturbedEma

Actually being attributed to Jefferson accroding to the bumper of my moonbat coworker's car. . .

And it's horseshit -- Jefferson never said it. I've never been able to get any lefty to point out where the quote can supposedly be found. It doesn't exist in any of Jefferson's extant writings, speeches.

1326 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:50:21am

re: #1294 Miss Trixie

Hlushki? *blink*blink* What's that?

Polish. Chop a head of cabbage and onions (as much or little as you like). Melt a stick of butter (yeah - a stick) and braise/saute those veggies on LOW heat until the cabbage is like silk and the water from the cabbage has pretty much evaporated. Stir often and salt helps.

Cook a box of bow ties (aka 'farfella') and mix w/the cabbage - add more butter if you want.

This will put all your cardiologist's children thru college.

Now check your email - we're gonna talk barley

1327 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:50:21am

re: #1300 Miss Trixie

Your collie is gorgeous, luv.

Thanks - she's an old lady, 11 1/2 years now, and quite the little Madam, which I sometimes laugh at, and at other times show her that I'm still the big bad Mummy around here!
Wouldn't know what to do without her - love her to bits!

1328 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:50:45am

Windbrother,

Just remember that BHO couldn't get any kind of security clearance in the military or government with his background and acquaintances or associations if he wasn't running for President.

1329 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:50:49am

re: #1320 phoenixgirl

(((dorian))) how are you?

Me and my new choppers are feeling pretty good... ;)

1330 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:51:06am

re: #1243 Miss Trixie
Very cute avatar! Now what flight are ya gonna be on? Hmmm?!

1331 nyc redneck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:51:14am

re: #1273 6pat6

The Jackasses have sure been worried about Palin's qualifications to be VPOTUS over B-HO's qualifications to be the POTUS...I have always found that amusing and troublesome at the same time.

obama is not qualified to hold any office in america.

1332 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:51:14am

re: #1318 windbrother

Thank you for the civility to answer my questions. If I'm asking questions, that does *not* qualify me as a jackass, a troll, a Moby, a sleeper, or an agent provocateur for that matter.

Perhaps my tone earlier wasn't the best - for which I apologize. I've gotten a little harsh in my language myself because when I talk to anyone about politics - Obama supporters call me a wingnut, and when I come onto these kinds of threads, I get raked over the coals and have some very harsh language applied to me.

Then perhaps I misjudged you. GAZE withdrawn.

1333 phoenixgirl  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:51:17am

re: #1321 lawhawk

How would you know what soap tastes like? /mom wash your mouth out once? /heh

i love cilantro, but i'm related to people who hate it. i never heard the comparison to a soap taste, to them, they think it has a metalic taste. what would a mexican street taco be without cilantro?

1334 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:51:20am

re: #1315 doriangrey


That and tomatillos!

1335 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:51:25am

re: #1318 windbrother

The reason you are being "raked" BTW is that you are bringing up Demoncrap talking points that have nothing to do with the election, the candidates, or have been proven to be false. A quick search or google would have revealed it to you. If you are not a moby or troll, and time will tell, we will make our amends. At this present time since I have been working tonight, I personally have seen three to four of the vile creatures. Now put up or shut up.

1336 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:51:34am

re: #1318 windbrother

Actually, I was talking about something else.

/you comment, you takes your chances

1337 imploder  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:51:58am

In 2000 I was in Japan for the election, in 2004, Spain. This year I'm in Germany. Many Germans idolize the One. This makes me think he's going to lose, just like the Spaniards telling me that there was no way Kerry was going to lose.

Hurbris like that gets the Republican base out to vote. Right now Obama and the MSM are in the final stages of softening up McCain's support with demoralizing reports and the like.

I'm a bit nervous, but I think there's something in the air that hasn't been measured, and can't be measured, something intangible about the American electorate that no one else on the planet understands but us. When the pundit class and the talking heads and the foreign papers try to frame something as inevitible, sometimes America lets the bull lose in the china shop. I love it when that happens.

We'll soon enough find out. Keep your powder dry.

1338 albusteve  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:52:10am

some pinch and suck...

1339 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:52:28am

This isn't about the spouces of the VP candidates, so I don't know why anyone would try to change the subject to Todd Palin. But if they are indeed fair game in the minds of some, then what about michelle obama? Go ahead and get all paranoid about Todd, but michelle isn't even proud of this country.

This whole line of reasoning is ridiculous!

What about 0bama?! What about spreading the wealth and using audacity to come up with other "magical solutions"?!

1340 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:52:31am

re: #1248 SurferDoc
SurferDoc - you are cleared to fire, I repeat, you are clear to fire!

1341 FrogMarch  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:52:47am

re: #1207 windbrother

What about Todd Palin's membership in a political party that supports secession from the United States? How is that not relevant?

That is horseshit. Is this all you left-wing talking pointers can come up with?

Other than bullshitting an entire nation into thinking he isn't a Marxist - what has Obama accomplished?

1342 Semper Gumbi  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:52:50am

re: #1207 windbrother

I'd really like to know how you feel about her and her qualifications. There are two questions I'd like anyone on this thread to answer:

What about the fake Sarkozy phone call yesterday that's now plastered all over? This points to a larger issue of her handlers and aides being competent - and I believe that this is an *extremely* relevant point.

What about Todd Palin's membership in a political party that supports secession from the United States? How is that not relevant?

Todd Palin is NOT a member of the Alaska Independence Party. He is a registered Independent. Duh

1343 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:53:00am

re: #1317 realwest

"/then the last thread must be the Forbidden Zone"
Uh, what?

/Palin was, in so many words, labeled a YEC

1344 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:53:00am

re: #1251 FrogMarch

And that appears to be a gay guy writing to HillBuzz as well (note Sebastian Gray, and talking about his boyfriend). Tolerance indeed.

1345 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:53:07am

Todd Palin is NOT Hillary Rodham Clinton. He's gonna' be too busy taking care of the kids to meddle in policy.

1346 Miss Trixie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:53:38am

re: #1310 realwest

Watcha mean you're waiting?!? The invitation was for you to come down here where it's gonna be in the 70's today!
COME ON DOWN!

I won't have to sit on my hands no more?

*ZOOOM!

/leaves a wake of hair pins

:D

1347 jaunte  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:53:45am

re: #1339 Sharmuta

How about Obama quadrupling the price of electricity?

1348 laZardo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:53:49am

Kay, actually going to bed now. Cheers.

1349 buzzdroid  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:53:53am

barack obama:

1998-2001: The Joyce Foundation. Board member. Helped develop strategies to overturn the 2nd Amendment and outlaw the private possession of handguns.

1350 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:54:11am

re: #1340 realwest

SurferDoc - you are cleared to fire, I repeat, you are clear to fire!

Real Free Fire Zone or John "If it moves, it dies" Kerry Free Fire Zone.

Gotta know the ROE

1351 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:54:13am

re: #1325 StinkHammer
Thank you for setting all straight! It had to come from somoeone like the SDS, WUO, etc. to justify there crap.

1352 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:54:31am

re: #1260 KB55
Fortunately McCain is gonna win so we won't have to do anything. But should the unthinkable happen, I meant every damn word. Every. Damn. Word.

1353 FrogMarch  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:54:40am

re: #1314 Dark_Falcon

Nasty, but not out of the ordinary in Chi-town. Chicago has a long and ignoble history of election related violence.

Chicago is where thug-politics is nurtured and applauded.

1354 Miss Trixie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:54:49am

re: #1322 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO... You just dont understand women do you real? What you actually did, was to invite yourself to GO GET HER... lol...lol...lol...

ZACTLY! But I can make some effort ... "D

1355 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:55:09am

re: #1341 FrogMarch

Other than bullshitting an entire 50% of the nation into thinking he isn't a Marxist - what has Obama accomplished?

Fixed

1356 vxbush  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:55:19am

re: #1264 DisturbedEma

Prophetess= visionary?

Leadership quality? Maybe you could sell the VP as handmaiden role? Man, I just spit up typing that! Wish my moonbat PDS co workers could see themselves as being just as asshattery!

Oh, Barf!

I love my brothers and sisters in the church who want to know the scriptures so they can follow G-d better, but they cannot control other people and their choices if those people disagree. And rarely have we seen such a candidate in Barack Obama who wants to destroy the best parts of this country.

But I have more reading to do.

1357 kcladderman  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:55:29am

re: #1207 windbrother

I'd really like to know how you feel about her and her qualifications. There are two questions I'd like anyone on this thread to answer:

What about the fake Sarkozy phone call yesterday that's now plastered all over? This points to a larger issue of her handlers and aides being competent - and I believe that this is an *extremely* relevant point.

What about Todd Palin's membership in a political party that supports secession from the United States? How is that not relevant?

GAZE

1358 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:55:31am

re: #1348 laZardo

Sleep well, see you around the blog.

1359 Dianna  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:55:55am

re: #1347 jaunte

How about Obama quadrupling the price of electricity?

How's he going to manage that? Taxes or insane regulations? Or just insisting on alternative power sources?

1360 JacksonTn  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:56:01am

re: #1275 wahabicorridor

What the fuck is it with the mobys today?

They have seen the internal polls ...Senator Government employs over 400 paid online trolls ... this is no joke ...they are dispatched to suppress the vote ...I am not saying all the ones on LGF are put they are out in force right now on all the blogs ...

1361 buzzdroid  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:56:07am

why does fox news radio have an advert break every 5 friggin minutes,...

bloody ridiculous.

anyone care to recommend a decent talk radio station, with an internet stream... and one that doesnt have a break every 5 minutes?

1362 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:56:16am

re: #1274 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)Thanks - if you haven't, please upding it. I'd like the post itself to make it into the top ten today!

1363 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:56:20am

I am John Proctor, no matter what happens in the election.

I am a proud person, a hard working person, and I am a fighter. I will not go quietly into any night, and I will, come hell or high water, fight for the basic principles and values of the United States of America.

Through hysteria and vengeful accusations, I will not be swayed from the core beliefs of my country, I will demand those rights, and I will expect life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as my due. I will NOT allow any one group or person to take those rights away from me.

I will question everyone, I will take nothing on faith, and no matter the outcome, I will not be cowed by scare tactics, aggression, nor be intimidated for speaking my mind. I will study and learn the most detailed parts of the Bill of Rights, and the Constitution, as is my duty as an American, and hold my government to those standards, and fight to my last breath, any and all attempts to remove one iota of my freedom from me.

I will fight for my country, because my country makes me who I am, free. If we lose that freedom, may G-d have mercy on us all.

1364 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:56:26am

re: #1359 Dianna

How's he going to manage that? Taxes or insane regulations? Or just insisting on alternative power sources?

Yes, yes, and yes.

1365 SurferDoc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:56:29am

re: #1340 realwest

SurferDoc - you are cleared to fire, I repeat, you are clear to fire!

Going hot.

1366 zenren  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:56:30am

The Obama-paid Eeyores will be out in force the next 48 hours. I have to go finish my literature drop, so someone please patrol the premises.

1367 imploder  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:56:40am

re: #1359 Dianna

How's he going to manage that? Taxes or insane regulations? Or just insisting on alternative power sources?

Cap and trade. He's out to hobble 50% of America's electricity capacity.

1368 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:56:41am

re: #1359 Dianna

How's he going to manage that? Taxes or insane regulations? Or just insisting on alternative power sources?

There's a video out today showing him making comments in San Francisco saying he is going to bankrupt the coal industry.

1369 yah  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:56:49am

re: #1265 windbrother
What a bunch of BS

1370 alien_mind  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:57:36am

re: #1073 yah

When people tell me they are voting for Obama, I ask them "Why?"
Some of them get this wild eyed look and burst into an insane long hate rage against Sarah Palin - really over the top. I just listen quietly look at them without arguing. This makes them obviously uncomfortable and they shut up. Maybe they realize they sound like idiots.

Others go into the "I hate Bush" tirade. These people seem more satisfied with their reasoning.

In either case, neither group can tell me why they are voting FOR Obama.


same response I get. whenever I cite the major issues with Obama, in return they will say something like "how can you say that when we just had Bush? Are you telling me Obama is worse than Bush?"
when you press them about what was so bad with Bush it gets really comical. for example: "He ignored the constitution and lied about the war".

1371 FrogMarch  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:57:52am

re: #1296 windbrother

Did I ever say that I was an Obama supporter? No.

Now you're attacking me for just asking questions? And several posters have already called me a troll or told me to "fuck off."

There are, in fact, such things as independent voters. Of which I am one.

And for the record, I do NOT approve of many things in Obama's platform. "Civilian National Security Force" indeed. And he generally concerns me.

I'm not going to defend him because that's not why I'm here.

So why then would Todd Palin - a peripheral person who is not on the ballot, be of more concern to you than obama?

1372 jaunte  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:57:55am

re: #1359 Dianna
"Bankrupting" taxes on coal-fired electricity generation.

1373 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:58:09am

re: #1362 realwest

*blush*

1374 Dianna  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:58:29am

re: #1364 BlueCanuck

Everything at once! How...reassuring.

1375 Spirit93  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:58:34am

re: #1335 BlueCanuck

This guy sounds exactly like His Royal Highness from earlier in this thread. I call sock puppet. Either that or they are following instructions from the same source.

1376 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:58:39am

re: #1347 jaunte

How about Obama quadrupling the price of electricity?

But Bristol Palin is pregnant!

1377 imploder  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:59:05am

re: #1360 JacksonTn

They have seen the internal polls ...Senator Government employs over 400 paid online trolls ... this is no joke ...they are dispatched to suppress the vote ...I am not saying all the ones on LGF are put they are out in force right now on all the blogs ...

That's fascinating to consider. That's actually a tenet of PSYOPS, and there are plenty of Americans with the training to organize and carry out such an activity. It doesn't seem to be illegal but it sure as hell is creepy.

1378 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:59:08am

And lawhawk- I'm always saucy. ;p

1379 StinkHammer  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:59:12am

re: #1353 FrogMarch

Hey, Frogs -- enjoy your day. I'm outta here for to gird my loins for the Bronco game.

1380 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:59:15am

re: #1367 imploder

He's out to hobble 50% of America's electricity capacity.

/get with the progtom comrade

1381 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:59:25am

re: #1375 Spirit93

This guy sounds exactly like His Royal Highness from earlier in this thread. I call sock puppet. Either that or they are following instructions from the same source.

My wireless network thingy went dead long about then. What happened?

1382 jaunte  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:59:25am

re: #1376 Sharmuta

Yes, the big thinkers know what to focus on!

1383 DisgustingOratory  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:59:37am

I never get to see the troll-posts, I feel left out.

1384 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 7:59:54am

re: #1337 imploder

This year I'm in Germany. Many Germans idolize the One.

I've been posting on a couple (English language) German boards for several years. Without fail, the candidate they like is always the one that will make America weaker - but they always frame it in terms of "we just want to like you again".

For me, that's my 'free fire zone'. I can go on chapter and verse and prove to them that they have NEVER liked us - for hundreds of years, in fact.

Then I start talking about the Russians and Leningrad.

It's great fun - you should try it sometime.

1385 rawmuse  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:00:17am

I like having this extra hour in the morning to screw off.
All in favor of 25 hour days, say AYE!

1386 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:00:31am

re: #1352 realwest
Me too! If the worse happens, gun sales are going to go through the roof--he wins, I'm in a gun shop the 15th (have to wait until payday)-- two guns, Myfe™ & I, same rounds so don't have to buy multiples--any suggestions so I don't overpower her? Also, have to track down some 7.7Jap somewhere--excelent accuracy, long-range shooting.

1387 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:00:58am

re: #1375 Spirit93

Similar yes, but I think they are two seperate people. Different accounts, different times, different talking points. Most mobies follow the same style.

1388 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:00:59am

I notice a similarity between the methods the Palin Haters use to spread their talking points and the way the trufers worked early on.

1389 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:01:03am

re: #1381 MandyManners

My wireless network thingy went dead long about then. What happened?

The One can see you now...

1390 jaunte  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:01:10am

Here's another link to the 'bankrupt the coal industry' audio:
[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

1391 Dianna  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:01:28am

re: #1367 imploder

re: #1368 mama winger

re: #1372 jaunte

Thanks, all.

That sounds like what I was thinking he advocated - but it's all been scattered in various places.

Cap and trade would be a fine idea in a world where we had developed technologies that aren't oil. But since the one electrical generation method that we know really works (nuclear) isn't on the table, we're going to get creamed if he actually sets that as a policy.

Now, all we have to do is keep McCain from proposing the same idiocy.

1392 Crusty  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:01:34am

re: #1207 windbrother

I'd really like to know how you feel about her and her qualifications. There are two questions I'd like anyone on this thread to answer:

What about the fake Sarkozy phone call yesterday that's now plastered all over? This points to a larger issue of her handlers and aides being competent - and I believe that this is an *extremely* relevant point.

What about Todd Palin's membership in a political party that supports secession from the United States? How is that not relevant?

So how's the weather on Moby Island today? Or are you and Joe Biden over in Lebanon driving out Heabollah with France or watching FDR videos from 1929?

1393 FrogMarch  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:01:36am

re: #1244 realwest

I'm right there with you my friend. We will fight these lying progressive fascists.

1394 vxbush  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:01:41am

Gah. I don't have the strength for this right now.

Later, lizards.

1395 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:01:55am

re: #1379 StinkHammer

Hey, Frogs -- enjoy your day. I'm outta here for to gird my loins for the Bronco game.

[Expletive deleted], thanks!

/forgot all about my fantasy football lineup

1396 buzzdroid  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:01:57am

re: #1384 wahabicorridor

I've been posting on a couple (English language) German boards for several years. Without fail, the candidate they like is always the one that will make America weaker - but they always frame it in terms of "we just want to like you again".

For me, that's my 'free fire zone'. I can go on chapter and verse and prove to them that they have NEVER liked us - for hundreds of years, in fact.

Then I start talking about the Russians and Leningrad.

It's great fun - you should try it sometime.

and dont forget that the german nation is now controlled by the unelected, and undemocratic European Union.


they have ZERO right to start lecturing Americans on who they should elect.

1397 leboaz  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:02:02am

Where's Taxfreekiller?
The Albuquerque Urinal endorsed McCain!

1398 FrogMarch  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:02:09am

re: #1379 StinkHammer

Hey, Frogs -- enjoy your day. I'm outta here for to gird my loins for the Bronco game.

ooo have fun!

1399 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:02:17am

re: #1322 doriangrey
"You just dont understand women do you real? "
Are you referring to my two marriages (and subsequent two divorces)? HUH?
/

1400 bbuddha  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:02:26am

re: #1307 imploder

Cilantro works best when fresh, but that is true of most herbs

1401 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:02:55am

re: #1363 DisturbedEma

YOu're with many of us, DE!

1402 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:03:11am

re: #1350 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Real Free Fire Zone or John "If it moves, it dies" Kerry Free Fire Zone.

Gotta know the ROE

We operate under George S. Patton's ROE's... Kill em all and let God sort em out...

1403 SurferDoc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:03:11am

re: #1384 wahabicorridor

I've been posting on a couple (English language) German boards for several years. Without fail, the candidate they like is always the one that will make America weaker - but they always frame it in terms of "we just want to like you again".

For me, that's my 'free fire zone'. I can go on chapter and verse and prove to them that they have NEVER liked us - for hundreds of years, in fact.

Then I start talking about the Russians and Leningrad.

It's great fun - you should try it sometime.

I used to go to a certain board and take on the neo-nazis there. I went after them like a rabid mongoose. It was enormous fun. One day I just got tired of it and decided it is more fun to hang with sane people and disagree with them while still smiling.

1404 Miss Trixie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:03:13am

wahabbi - reply sent, toots. :)

1405 albusteve  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:03:15am

whatever happens tuesday...

1406 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:03:44am

re: #1360 JacksonTn

They have seen the internal polls ...Senator Government employs over 400 paid online trolls ... this is no joke ...they are dispatched to suppress the vote ...I am not saying all the ones on LGF are put they are out in force right now on all the blogs ...

:)

I know. I just wanted them to know their oder is - um - detectable

1407 rawmuse  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:03:50am

re: #1396 buzzdroid

Hey, Germany is very progressive. They are so progressive now that if you are a young female, and your unemployment runs out, the government will find you a job!

As a Sex Worker.

1408 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:03:57am

re: #1390 jaunte

Here's another link to the 'bankrupt the coal industry' audio:
[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

But Piper Palin hands out candy to the press!

1409 Timbre  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:03:58am

I think I've discovered Charles' footprints! (Then again, maybe it's simply chaotic chance!) I did not know of this site--looks interesting.

1410 imploder  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:04:16am

re: #1384 wahabicorridor

I've been posting on a couple (English language) German boards for several years. Without fail, the candidate they like is always the one that will make America weaker - but they always frame it in terms of "we just want to like you again".

For me, that's my 'free fire zone'. I can go on chapter and verse and prove to them that they have NEVER liked us - for hundreds of years, in fact.

Haha! I live in a small village (150) in Rhineland Pfalz and I generally try and stay away from politics when I interact with them because I am on friendly terms with just about everybody. I don't talk about their politics, either, except with my one friend who really doesn't favor the way they get raped by the tax man.

I did get into one night at the Gasthaus with a friend who thinks Obama is the One. He works for Siemens and is a seasoned world traveler, and his dad farms here, so we've worked cows together and thrown hay together. This night when he was engaging in The One worship I just wrestled him to the ground and have him a wedgie.

Then I start talking about the Russians and Leningrad.

It's great fun - you should try it sometime.

1411 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:04:23am

re: #1402 doriangrey

We operate under George S. Patton's ROE's... Kill em all and let God sort em out...

Well, good... I hate fighting a war with one hand tied around my balls.

/It itches something awful.

1412 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:05:04am

re: #1368 mama winger

re: #1359 Dianna
How's he going to manage that? Taxes or insane regulations? Or just insisting on alternative power sources?

There's a video out today showing him making comments in San Francisco saying he is going to bankrupt the coal industry.

How else are we going to stop Global Warming Climate Change?!?

"We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK"

He thinks we need to live like a Third World country so other countries will like us. Umm, Barry, I've got news for you...

1413 Spirit93  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:05:25am

re: #1381 MandyManners

My wireless network thingy went dead long about then. What happened?

He just disappeared. And now we have WindBreaker.

1414 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:05:28am

re: #1343 Killian Bundy
Who labled her a YEC (and what IS a YEC)?!

1415 spypeach  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:05:29am

re: #1390 jaunte

Everyone needs to send that link to Drudge and Fox News.

1416 buzzdroid  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:05:48am

pittsburg tribune review comes out for mccain
[Link: www.pittsburghlive.com...]

1417 FrogMarch  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:06:04am

If the progressive democrat-left campaigned honestly - no one would vote for them.

Notice how far Obama has had to moderate and swing to the middle/right.
At what point will the American people wake up?

The only way democrats win - is if they lie.

1418 JacksonTn  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:06:21am

re: #1338 albusteve

some pinch and suck...

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

You making me homesick ...I have seen them a bunch ... Tipitina's is a great place to see anyone ... I like the Radiators also ...and Marcia Ball is one of my favorites ...she plays there all the time ..

1419 Dianna  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:06:32am

re: #1386 KB55

I'm a smallish woman and I shoot .45. It's not overwhelming. I've shot Desert Eagles, and (with the gas recoil uptake) it's not too bad, though my wrists hurt a bit after ten rounds with the .50.

However, my friend and neighbor can't use my guns, because her hands are just too small. So take her with you and check grips.

I dislike the 9 mm because the recoil doesn't feel straight to me, but as if the gun's twisting, and my hand's going off to the side. With the .45, I feel like my hand comes up and back a bit, but I'm back on target in fractions of a second.

Of course, you and your wife may have other views.

1420 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:06:33am

re: #1389 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

The One can see you now...

Oh, no. Should I fix my hair and slap on some lipstick?

1421 imploder  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:06:45am

apologies on that last one, Wahabi's quote and comments got intermingled. Yousa!

1422 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:07:05am

re: #1399 realwest

"You just dont understand women do you real? "
Are you referring to my two marriages (and subsequent two divorces)? HUH?
/

re: #1354 Miss Trixie

ZACTLY! But I can make some effort ... "D


ROTFLMAO...

1423 FrogMarch  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:07:08am

re: #1355 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Fixed

Thanks.

1424 Gang of One  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:07:20am

re: #1231 goddessoftheclassroom

I want to BE Sarah Palin. I know I couldn't have borne all the personal attacks as she has.

My lead English teacher on Friday went as Sarah -- stood at her doorway welcoming the students with a hockey stick and fishing pole but no moose head or hunting rifle. She said she had thought about a toy rifle, but did not want to upset the ZeroBama Tolerance 'noids in the administration.

1425 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:07:30am

My stars, you people are easily distracted from the real issues!

Can we really allow the Palins into the Naval Observatory? The daughters are allowed to smear their saliva all over the baby's head, for crying out loud!

1426 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:07:44am

re: #1403 SurferDoc

I used to go to a certain board and take on the neo-nazis there. I went after them like a rabid mongoose. It was enormous fun. One day I just got tired of it and decided it is more fun to hang with sane people and disagree with them while still smiling.

Same here...

1427 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:07:54am

re: #1413 Spirit93

He just disappeared. And now we have WindBreaker.

*snicker*

1428 albusteve  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:07:57am

re: #1397 leboaz

Where's Taxfreekiller?
The Albuquerque Urinal endorsed McCain!

hey it's close out here amigo...very active Dems for McCain traitors...the purple people eaters...didnt heae about the Urinal tho

1429 imploder  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:07:59am

re: #1419 Dianna

I'm a smallish woman and I shoot .45. It's not overwhelming. I've shot Desert Eagles, and (with the gas recoil uptake) it's not too bad, though my wrists hurt a bit after ten rounds with the .50.

However, my friend and neighbor can't use my guns, because her hands are just too small. So take her with you and check grips.

I dislike the 9 mm because the recoil doesn't feel straight to me, but as if the gun's twisting, and my hand's going off to the side. With the .45, I feel like my hand comes up and back a bit, but I'm back on target in fractions of a second.

Of course, you and your wife may have other views.

I think the .45 has very manageable recoil and you describe it very accurately.

I like my .45. It throws the lug nuts.

1430 jaunte  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:08:23am

re: #1415 spypeach

Everyone needs to send that link to Drudge and Fox News.

Yes; this is big, because it's easy to reason from:
Fewer power plants... higher energy prices... hey... I'm personally going to freeze in the winter and burn up in the summer, and it'll be expensive!
[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

1431 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:08:27am

re: #1420 MandyManners

Oh, no. Should I fix my hair and slap on some lipstick?

No... they need to establish a profile baseline on you.

Just act naturally.

1432 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:08:39am

re: #1414 realwest

HisRoyalPissiness labeled the GOP Young Earth Creationists. Stated it was in the party platform.

/and that's when the clue-by-fours came out.

1433 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:08:41am

re: #1396 buzzdroid

and dont forget that the german nation is now controlled by the unelected, and undemocratic European Union.

HA! They don't care. I wrote a 6 page paper on the EU Constituion/Lisbon treaty for one of the blogs. The reaction was appreciative and respectful (THEY never bothered to read the damn things and they could believe an American would)- but they don't care. As far as they're concerned they rule the EU along with France so what's the big deal?

Remember the genesis for the EU was NOT WWII - it was WW I. Germany has never known anything close to democracy - they know how to be ruled by an elite class - and that's it.

1434 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:08:51am

re: #1420 MandyManners

Oh, no. Should I fix my hair and slap on some lipstick?

No, a burlap sack... er a habbib would be more to his liking...

1435 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:08:56am

re: #1365 SurferDoc
Confirm one bogey hit. Repeat one bogey hit. Continue patrolling duties until further notice.

1436 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:09:14am

re: #1420 MandyManners

Oh, no. Should I fix my hair and slap on some lipstick?

No lipstick! The One dislikes lipstick - especially on hockey mums!

1437 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:09:39am

re: #1425 Sharmuta

My stars, you people are easily distracted from the real issues!

Can we really allow the Palins into the Naval Observatory? The daughters are allowed to smear their saliva all over the baby's head, for crying out loud!

AND she nurses her kids. . .disGUSTing. . .unless you are one of the one. . .///

1438 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:09:51am

re: #1419 Dianna
She can shoot, but I'm worried about her arthritis that flames up now--I was expert .45, and had 44, but thinking that a 9mm would be enoough--I want something for her, tho, that knocks then around or down, so not sure if 9mm is enough--I know 1911.45 is too big for her, so wondering what to look for.

1439 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:09:57am

re: #1414 realwest

Who labled her a YEC (and what IS a YEC)?!

/sorry, fresh out of Cliff Notes for curiosity

1440 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:10:16am

re: #1390 jaunte

Here's another link to the 'bankrupt the coal industry' audio:
[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted.

That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel and other alternative energy approaches.
The only thing I've said with respect to coal, I haven't been some coal booster. What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as a ideological matter as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it.

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can.

It's just that it will bankrupt them."

Massive transfer of wealth.

He's gonna' let ideology rule over technology.

1441 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:10:22am

re: #1413 Spirit93

He just disappeared. And now we have WindBreaker.

I hear that in most Native American tongues that translates to Breaker of wind... ;p

1442 FrogMarch  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:10:22am

re: #1344 laZardo

And that appears to be a gay guy writing to HillBuzz as well (note Sebastian Gray, and talking about his boyfriend). Tolerance indeed.

HillBuzz Note: PLEASE, everyone be careful out there. Obama’s followers can be violent and destructive. They key cars, throw rocks through windows, push and shove anyone who doesn’t agree with them, and generally provoke fights like this — all part of what Obama himself told his followers to do and “get in people’s faces and argue with them”. BE CAREFUL, because these Obama followers are DANGEROUS.

And if anyone in Chicago recognizes the guy in the photo — who claims to be a lawyer — it would be really interesting to find out who he is, what firm he works for, so we can forward Sebastian’s story to the firm’s partners.

1443 Long Nics are Looonnng  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:10:53am

Ok, I just got back from Church. We prayed for America's decision on Tuesday. We were told to pray for God's will be done.

So I prayed (sorry, Lord)...

Dear Lord...

If your will is for America to be led by a man who is a friend to terrorists, an closet Socialist, and whose most ardent supporters hate all that America stands for...

then I do not agree with you at all, but, let your will be done.

Amen.

1444 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:10:57am

re: #1403 SurferDoc

I used to go to a certain board and take on the neo-nazis there

Oh man, I can't resist. I understand that you wouldn't want to post the url for that but my nic is blue if you wouldn't mind sending me an email...

1445 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:11:14am

re: #1440 MandyManners

He's gonna' let ideology rule over technology.

Sounds like two other groups I can think of.

1446 nyc redneck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:11:21am

re: #1417 FrogMarch

If the progressive democrat-left campaigned honestly - no one would vote for them.

Notice how far Obama has had to moderate and swing to the middle/right.
At what point will the American people wake up?

The only way democrats win - is if they lie.

he is a completely different person now than when he started out.
trying to sound just pro-american enough to get elected.
obama would be eviscerated in a court room. he would be a terrible witness or defendant.
a prosecutor would simple ask "are you lying NOW or were you lying THEN."

1447 jaunte  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:11:33am

re: #1440 MandyManners

In the meantime, as we struggle to find workable alternatives, the energy consumers (everybody) will just have to eke out their lives as they can. Hunter-gatherers.

1448 leftover54  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:11:40am

Anybody catch Lawrence Eagleburger on Fox this a.m. ?Although a few weeks ago he came out strongly against the Palin pick, he said this morning:
"G_d help us" to a comment from one of the talking heads who had just said "If Obama becomes POTUS..."
(Eagleburger chimes in with "G_d help us").

Also, they (Fox folks) were equally amused by the SNL take on Olbermann bit last night - commenting also on the bits length. My post last night to the "T".
Aflack did a dead on impression, lasting something like 8 mins. (youtube yet ?) as Keith, the total lunatic. I'm now wondering though if this wasn't to help Obama in a strategic way. If Aflack and SNL throw Olbermann under the bus, could it be just to give them more cred. as/when they come out for Obama ? I don't know though 'cause the entire show seemed to be pretty "McCain" friendly and even the NYC audience gave him a pretty darn warm reception/reaction. I was surprised as hell. I guess I should just give credit where credits due and leave it alone. NBC was "fair and balanced" for at least an hour and a half last night.

1449 FrogMarch  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:11:45am

re: #1425 Sharmuta

My stars, you people are easily distracted from the real issues!

Can we really allow the Palins into the Naval Observatory? The daughters are allowed to smear their saliva all over the baby's head, for crying out loud!

and and and - what if the Palin's babysit Tine Fey's kid?
oh the humanity!

1450 albusteve  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:11:47am

re: #1425 Sharmuta

My stars, you people are easily distracted from the real issues!

Can we really allow the Palins into the Naval Observatory? The daughters are allowed to smear their saliva all over the baby's head, for crying out loud!

OMG!...is this true?...GAURDS SEIZE THEM!

1451 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:11:47am

re: #1438 KB55

She can shoot, but I'm worried about her arthritis that flames up now--I was expert .45, and had 44, but thinking that a 9mm would be enoough--I want something for her, tho, that knocks then around or down, so not sure if 9mm is enough--I know 1911.45 is too big for her, so wondering what to look for.

With two hands on it, the 1911 should be great for just about anyone. If my goofy paws can do it, anyone can...

1452 Dianna  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:11:55am

re: #1429 imploder

I think the .45 has very manageable recoil and you describe it very accurately.

I like my .45. It throws the lug nuts.

I love it. My Male jokes that you can watch my rounds waddle downrange; I respond that the targets somehow can't get away, even so.

1453 SurferDoc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:12:01am

re: #1429 imploder

I think the .45 has very manageable recoil and you describe it very accurately.

I like my .45. It throws the lug nuts.

I like the Flying Ashtrays. (Deep wide hollowpoint .45s)

1454 Long Nics are Looonnng  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:12:18am

I'm watching "The Old Time Gospel Hour", Huckabee is preaching about the election. Don't really like that.

My pastor and I are polar opposites politically, but we leave it outside of the doors of our relationship.

1455 Miss Trixie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:12:38am

Ok, Lil Miss is yellin' at me to get out there and terrorize the 'hood.

BBL and have a great day all.

1456 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:12:39am

re: #1414 realwest

Who labled her a YEC (and what IS a YEC)?!

Young Earth Creationist.

1457 SurferDoc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:13:12am

re: #1435 realwest

Confirm one bogey hit. Repeat one bogey hit. Continue patrolling duties until further notice.

Affirmative. He's down. No chute.

1458 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:13:13am

re: #1431 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

No... they need to establish a profile baseline on you.

Just act naturally.

So I can burp and scratch?

1459 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:13:14am

re: #1450 albusteve

It's true!

1460 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:13:44am

re: #1434 doriangrey

No, a burlap sack... er a habbib would be more to his liking...

Fresh out of either.

1461 alien_mind  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:13:54am

re: #1185 windbrother


Coal may be *necessary* but it is not *desirable*.


yes, now you've got it. Coal is necessary hence the stupidity of saying you're going to bankrupt the industry.

1462 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:13:56am

re: #1407 rawmuse

Hey, Germany is very progressive. They are so progressive now that if you are a young female, and your unemployment runs out, the government will find you a job!

As a Sex Worker.

That story was debunked years ago...

1463 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:13:59am

re: #1458 MandyManners

Young lady, you can do what ever your heart desires.

1464 Timbre  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:14:02am

re: #1247 Mich-again

Palin-hatred is my new litmus test for idiocy.

Yesterday, here in Midland, a car zoomed past me (speeding) with "Palin Sucks" written in white shoe polish on the right rear window. On the back was written "Obama" with the "O" made out to be a hippie peace sign. I thought to myself, "Yeah, your attitude towards Palin is real peaceful... /sarc"

1465 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:14:07am

re: #1436 yma o hyd

No lipstick! The One dislikes lipstick - especially on hockey mums!

We all know who the real pig is.

1466 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:15:01am

re: #1445 Sharmuta

Sounds like two other groups I can think of.

Do I need to put on my red-beret thinking cap?

1467 Long Nics are Looonnng  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:15:03am

re: #1464 Timbre

"Peace" is relative.

1468 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:15:03am

re: #1386 KB55
Whoa there - I was NOT advocating violence! Seriously, no violence except in literal self-defense.
And Obama can take his Civilian Defense Force and shove it - there are WAAAY more Veterans of the Armed Forces in this country that will say "NO WAY" to any CFD he puts together and we'll make that NO WAY stick.
Count on it.

1469 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:15:05am

re: #1460 MandyManners

Fresh out of either.

Well burping and scratching it is then... ;)

1470 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:15:24am

re: #1419 Dianna

I can't even lift a Desert Eagle. You must be strong.

1471 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:15:38am

re: #1467 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Peace" is relative.

Good morning FBV...

1472 yesandno  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:15:42am

re: #1440 MandyManners

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted.

That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel and other alternative energy approaches.
The only thing I've said with respect to coal, I haven't been some coal booster. What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as a ideological matter as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it.

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can.

It's just that it will bankrupt them."

Massive transfer of wealth.

He's gonna' let ideology rule over technology.

Yup...so much for a well thought out position. Looks like his is clinging to his Marxism and Socialism and elitism. Let them burn air!

1473 LonnyE  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:15:51am

re: #892 ziggyelman

That naked emperor news guy is just amazing! Too bad this couldn't have been a 24/7 ad in those coal producing states!

OMG, why am I finding out about this now? This could have been seriously devastating to the Obama campaign.

I am an ex-worker in the nuclear industry and big proponent of commerical nuclear power generation.

This country cannot enjoy the prosperity we have become accustomed to without continuing to rely on coal power for many years to come.

1474 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:15:52am

re: #1447 jaunte

In the meantime, as we struggle to find workable alternatives, the energy consumers (everybody) will just have to eke out their lives as they can. Hunter-gatherers.

With a four-storey house with 30-foot ceilings, that's gonna' suck.

1475 albusteve  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:15:53am

re: #1459 Sharmuta

It's true!

I thought that was just about the darlinest thing I ever saw...I mean really...

1476 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:15:57am

re: #1458 MandyManners

So I can burp and scratch?

If that is normal behavior, knock yourself out. But remember the agent watching is a min wage CSF employee, not a highly trained FBI agent. Pick your nose at your own risk.

1477 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:16:08am

re: #1465 MandyManners

We all know who the real pig is.

LOL - we do indeed!
(But are too well brought up to mention it in polite society, teeheehee!)

1478 Long Nics are Looonnng  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:16:16am

re: #1471 doriangrey

What's happening you handsome "almost rock star"!

1479 Dianna  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:16:20am

re: #1438 KB55

That's an interesting conundrum, there.

I'd say, since the 9 has such an uncomfortable recoil, that the .45 (if she can hit with it) remains the better choice (provided she can handle the gun?). Fewer shots needed, and better accuracy. I do think - though I'm sure there are a lot of people here who would disagree - that the recoil on the 9 mm is harder on the wrists and fingers.

One thought - if she uses hollow points, she certainly isn't going to have to worry about the person she shoots getting back up. Even with a fairly light gun.

1480 SurferDoc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:16:23am

re: #1444 wahabicorridor

Oh man, I can't resist. I understand that you wouldn't want to post the url for that but my nic is blue if you wouldn't mind sending me an email...

LOL! I would but they are pretty well dead now so there is no fun to be had anymore. They literally drowned in their own venom. Besides, I'd hate to have anyone "normal" know I ever went there or, God Forbid, figure out which crazed, axe swinging maniac I was there.

1481 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:16:40am

re: #1438 KB55

She can shoot, but I'm worried about her arthritis that flames up now--I was expert .45, and had 44, but thinking that a 9mm would be enoough--I want something for her, tho, that knocks then around or down, so not sure if 9mm is enough--I know 1911.45 is too big for her, so wondering what to look for.

My hands are small also and I have very lettle upper arm strength - I went with a S&W .38 revolver. Remember, if she can't put it on the target, not much else matters.

/hollow points

1482 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:16:43am

re: #1463 BlueCanuck

Young lady, you can do what ever your heart desires.

*burp*

1483 rawmuse  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:16:50am

re: #1462 wahabicorridor

Where? When? I read the original column from Der Spiegel. But it was about year 2002.

1484 gregg  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:17:10am

re: #1397 leboaz

Where's Taxfreekiller?
The Albuquerque Urinal endorsed McCain!

Here's an interesting way to view newspaper endorsements from around the country. Obviously, if you're easily discouraged, you probably shouldn't go there.

1485 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:17:14am

re: #1469 doriangrey

Well burping and scratching it is then... ;)

*scritch scratch*

1486 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:17:45am

re: #1476 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

If that is normal behavior, knock yourself out. But remember the agent watching is a min wage CSF employee, not a highly trained FBI agent. Pick your nose at your own risk.

Ew. Just, ew.

1487 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:18:36am

re: #1384 wahabicorridor
Not to mention that should Obama win (shudder) they will have to pay for their OWN military defense and to take care of any natural disasters on their OWN cause Uncle Sam won't have the capacity or the desire to help 'em out.
When the day comes I let GERMANS lecture me about morality, then you know the world's gone nutz.

1488 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:18:51am

re: #1477 yma o hyd

LOL - we do indeed!
(But are too well brought up to mention it in polite society, teeheehee!)

A biker-type and I discussed it this morning in line at the store. I also directed him here.

1489 spypeach  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:18:56am

Can I just say that this election has driven my poor old Dad to spray paint a huge wooden sign; It says Obama=Socialism and McCain =Freedom. He has it attached to the back of his truck and he drives everywhere with it, and we live in Maryland. He is one brave man. He served 23 years in the Air Force and is disgusted by Obama.

1490 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:19:17am

re: #1445 Sharmuta

Sounds like two other groups I can think of.

Ok, the Amish would be one group...now, who's the other?

;)

1491 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:19:27am

re: #1475 albusteve

I thought that was just about the darlinest thing I ever saw...I mean really...

That's what they were hoping for- that you would fall for the "cuteness" factor and thereby falsely focus on 0bama and his words, actions, associates and ideology!

1492 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:19:41am

re: #1478 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What's happening you handsome "almost rock star"!

Well, ya know... Just waiting till all the groupies camped outside my front door trundle off to Mickey D's for breakfast so I can sneak off to the bro's pad for a couple of quite beers... ;)

1493 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:19:46am

re: #1443 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The way I understand God to be, He does not approve of folks who would let newborn infants lay on stainless steel tables until they are dead. This would not be His will.

I think I am pretty safe on this one.

1494 albusteve  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:19:50am

re: #1481 wahabicorridor

My hands are small also and I have very lettle upper arm strength - I went with a S&W .38 revolver. Remember, if she can't put it on the target, not much else matters.

/hollow points

you need one of these then...holster optional

1495 Dianna  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:19:53am

re: #1453 SurferDoc

I like the Flying Ashtrays. (Deep wide hollowpoint .45s)

The ones you mix cocktails in? I want a couple boxes for Christmas.

1496 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:20:21am

re: #1488 MandyManners

A biker-type and I discussed it this morning in line at the store. I also directed him here.

Good-oh!
I hope he also gets to look at Zombie's three last reports - total eye-openers for all who thought Ayers was just a neighbour ...

1497 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:20:59am

Gotta' go grab some food before I devour the part of The Kid's ToT candy that I hid for safe-keeping. brb

1498 Gang of One  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:20:59am

re: #1286 StinkHammer

re: #1274 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" they kept telling us...


And an absolutely ridiculous statement in and of itself, at that (one crafted by the Marxist "historian" Howard Zinn, I believe). Giving one's life in service to one's country is the highest form of patriotism.

Spot on, Hammer.

I tell these bottom feeders that if dissent is the highest form of patriotism, and the highest form of dissent is treason, then it stands to reason that treason is patriotic ... the blank stares are priceless.

1499 Long Nics are Looonnng  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:21:15am

re: #1493 mama winger

I dig.

1500 Dianna  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:21:31am

re: #1470 mama winger

I can't even lift a Desert Eagle. You must be strong.

I don't know about that...

1501 Long Nics are Looonnng  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:21:37am

re: #1497 MandyManners

Gotta' go grab some food before I devour the part of The Kid's ToT candy that I hid for safe-keeping. brb

Hid from whom?

1502 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:21:49am

re: #1412 Spiny Norman
LOL! NO - it's actually worse than that - other countries can't say "NO" much less "yes" to our consumption - in fact they have very little imput to our daily lives!

1503 nyc redneck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:21:52am

re: #1489 spypeach

Can I just say that this election has driven my poor old Dad to spray paint a huge wooden sign; It says Obama=Socialism and McCain =Freedom. He has it attached to the back of his truck and he drives everywhere with it, and we live in Maryland. He is one brave man. He served 23 years in the Air Force and is disgusted by Obama.

you must really love your dad.
i do and i've never met him.
:D

1504 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:21:58am

re: #1479 Dianna

That's an interesting conundrum, there.

I'd say, since the 9 has such an uncomfortable recoil, that the .45 (if she can hit with it) remains the better choice (provided she can handle the gun?). Fewer shots needed, and better accuracy. I do think - though I'm sure there are a lot of people here who would disagree - that the recoil on the 9 mm is harder on the wrists and fingers.

One thought - if she uses hollow points, she certainly isn't going to have to worry about the person she shoots getting back up. Even with a fairly light gun.

Yup, the .45 has far superior knock down power, persons hit with .45 go down fast, they dont look surprised, stagger around and get a few shots of their own off.

1505 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:22:13am

re: #1480 SurferDoc

LOL! I would but they are pretty well dead now so there is no fun to be had anymore. They literally drowned in their own venom. Besides, I'd hate to have anyone "normal" know I ever went there or, God Forbid, figure out which crazed, axe swinging maniac I was there.

Dang. That would have been as much fun as the CAIR dinner I went to for Khatami!

1506 leboaz  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:22:14am

re: #1494 albusteve

cool! that many 22's will do it!

1507 kcladderman  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:22:28am

re: #1484 gregg

Here's an interesting way to view newspaper endorsements from around the country. Obviously, if you're easily discouraged, you probably shouldn't go there.

It would be interesting to see who those papers endorsed in the last few elections. Might put the whole thing in perspective.

1508 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:22:37am

re: #1493 mama winger

The way I understand God to be, He does not approve of folks who would let newborn infants lay on stainless steel tables until they are dead. This would not be His will.

I think I am pretty safe on this one.

You are!

1509 windbrother  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:22:48am

As far as patriotism goes - I applaud John McCain's service to this country. We owe all veterans a huge debt. And I am a firm believer that every veteran that has served this country deserves the absolute best in health care, both mental and physical, this is available. I believe that all veterans that need them should get C-knees, and generally be given the best. We need more polytrauma centers, we need more and better VA hospitals. {and I'm a firm believer that their system of medical records should be expanded to the whole country!

However, to say that because someone has served the country in the military (or has a child serving now) renders them immune from criticism on policy matters or confers expertise in and of itself is not accurate.

If you want to talk defense, let's do that. Really. How is McCain going to fix procurement?

Just off the top of my head - the Navy wants to go all-nuclear but haven't even started doing the naval architecture studies for lower-class combatant designs. DD(X) and CG(X) are at best going to be funded for 2-3 ships as boutique demonstrators. Virginia class submarines is 46% over budget. LCS is dead in the water - GD and LockMart's demonstrators are not working properly and quite frankly, a Perry-class could sink one - NO organic area air defense, no organic anti-sub capacity, etc. The first in the new San Antonio class out of the shipyards in LA isn't even fit for service and still will probably cost another $300M to correct. The Navy's F-35C still hasn't even had a carrier test flight, much less exited SDD, much less to LRIP and has already breached Nunn-McCurdy limits. The next-generation carriers still haven't gotten the engine designs finalized - they want permanent in-hull electric drive but their preferred inductive design is significantly behind schedule. The Marine's EFV is still 5 years out, is having all kinds of teething problems, and has gone up in cost yet again (NM breach!)

The Air Force is flying a fleet so old that it's already under all kinds of flight restrictions. And JSF costs are through the roof, and as usual the Pentagon is adding requirements left and right that are driving costs through the roof and the costs are rising because the numbers bought are getting smaller and pushed further into the future. What does the Air Force leadership want to do? They could recapitalize the F-16 fleet with Block 60/62s such as we sold to the UAE with AESA that are far superior to anything that we're flying - 5 for the cost of one F-22, I believe. What's on the shelf for the USAF that has the range of a F-14? NOTHING. And cruise missiles? We have still have subsonic non-stealthy options. The rest of the world has gone supersonic two decades ago. Russo-Indian jointly developed BrahMos as an example, and the planned follow-on hypersonic BrahMos II? We don't have anything even in deveopment, and the only stealthy cruise missile we had, the AGM 129, is getting scrapped because of maintenance costs.

Air defense: the SM-3 has an excellent performance record but they terribly expensive and the SM-6 is behind schedule. And the problem of saturation hasn't gone anyway. Iran, china, or NK can throw 5 CSS-1 and/or CSS-2 anti-ship missiles at a carrier group for every SM2 or SM3 we can throw up. Not to mention that the Chinese have finally gotten a conventional ballistic missile naval seeker warhead. Just dump 30 into a basket and uncage the seekers (probably advanced SAR or ISAR; it's unlikely that terminal IR would work, cooled IR focal plane or not). It's much easier to build 10X more missiles when they cost 100k each and the defense costs $1M each.

1510 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:22:51am

re: #1501 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hid from whom?

Keeping safe from whom?

1511 FrogMarch  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:22:55am
1512 rawmuse  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:23:15am

re: #1504 doriangrey

Yup, the .45 has far superior knock down power, persons hit with .45 go down fast, they dont look surprised, stagger around and get a few shots of their own off.

As I like to say, once shot, they STAY shot.

1513 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:23:27am

re: #1468 realwest

And, neither am I--But, things aren't going to be normal afterward--especially when the new laws start coming down. I'll say this--I'm glad I live in a state where we have an alternative in our State Constitution if things get so bad we have to make a choice--God Forbid. But, back to the crux of this posting, I am not offering anything that would advocate violence unless it is warranted, and that would have to be something very extreme. One main reason to purchase guns now, is BHO's going to try and make them illegal to purchase--it'll be much harder to take them away, so if you already have them before Jan 20th, you stand a better chance of keeping them.

1514 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:23:40am

re: #1417 FrogMarch
"The only way democrats win - is if they lie."
And buy the election - with funds from undisclosed sources.

1515 rawmuse  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:23:55am

re: #1509 windbrother

Go tell it to Ophrah, dickcheeze.

1516 spypeach  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:24:21am

re: #1503 nyc redneck

Yes I do love him, and I'm very proud of him too.
It's funny cause I had to beg him not to drive to Baltimore with the sign or PG County. at least not with out some Kevlar.

1517 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:24:36am

Later Lizards... chores beckon.

1518 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:24:40am

re: #1509 windbrother

I'd be more worried about how 0bama's going to handle all that, not McCain.

1519 albusteve  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:24:41am

re: #1491 Sharmuta

That's what they were hoping for- that you would fall for the "cuteness" factor and thereby falsely focus on 0bama and his words, actions, associates and ideology!

well then they sure overestimated my simpleness...2+2=5!

1520 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:24:42am

re: #1516 spypeach

Yes I do love him, and I'm very proud of him too.
It's funny cause I had to beg him not to drive to Baltimore with the sign or PG County. at least not with out some Kevlar.

I grew up in Anne Arundel County.

1521 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:24:56am

re: #1496 yma o hyd

Good-oh!
I hope he also gets to look at Zombie's three last reports - total eye-openers for all who thought Ayers was just a neighbour ...

I specifically talked about zombie (and zombietime.com) and the Prarie Fire thingy.

1522 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:25:19am

re: #1501 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hid from whom?

From candy-trolls.

1523 jaunte  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:25:24am

re: #1509 windbrother

1. The solution for defense procurement problems will not be found if energy production is crippled.

1524 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:25:28am

re: #1509 windbrother

If you want to talk defense, let's do that. Really. How is McCain going to fix procurement?

Yes, let's talk defense. How is Obama going to protect the country?

1525 Spellcheck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:25:29am

re: #1473 LonnyE

This country cannot enjoy the prosperity we have become accustomed to without continuing to rely on coal power for many years to come.

The HRC Forum has made it easy to send the video to newspapers in the coal states.

Email addresses for papers across the USA

1526 LEGION  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:25:30am

re: #1509 windbrother

Ummm, so what- whatever McCain comes up with it will be better than BHO! He'll just slash the military and send half of them packing- you want that?

1527 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:25:58am

re: #1515 rawmuse

Go tell it to Ophrah, dickcheeze.

ROTFLMAO... There really is something utterly delicious about it when a California Musician says something like that to an obvious liberal nutjob... ;)

1528 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:26:07am

re: #1432 BlueCanuck
OH, ROTFLMAO! Wished I hadn't missed that!

1529 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:26:10am

re: #1509 windbrother

I'll say two things to this:
* do you honestly believe that Obama will strengthen the US Armed Forces?

* I strongly advise you to visit Zomblog - you'll find links a few threads below and read at least the last report there. That just might give you an insight into Obama's marxist philosophy which he's tried to hide from his countrymen, with the invaluable help of all MSM.

1530 Dianna  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:26:15am

re: #1504 doriangrey

Yup, the .45 has far superior knock down power, persons hit with .45 go down fast, they dont look surprised, stagger around and get a few shots of their own off.

Generally speaking. Body armor can make things interesting.

1531 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:26:29am

re: #1509 windbrother

hmmm typical moby tactic, 1.) Agree and praise targets, 2.) Start next section with "However", "But", etc. which completely invalidates previous paragraph. 3.) Brings up talking points that have nothing to do with anything at all.

*WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK*

/meats back on the menu lizards.

//save some for the fridge, lean times are a coming.

1532 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:26:37am

re: #1509 windbrother

Oh! Sorry- wrong answer to you at my #1518. I meant-

Sarah Palin's wardrobe!

1533 spypeach  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:26:59am

re: #1520 goddessoftheclassroom

We currently live in a small town in AA Co., it's one small little corner of hope in an otherwise sea of Blue.

1534 yah  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:27:05am

re: #1509 windbrother

So let's cut their budget by 25%. That will help./

1535 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:27:06am

re: #1522 MandyManners

From candy-trolls.

Hmmm, candy-trolls with initials MM?

1536 FrogMarch  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:27:22am

re: #1509 windbrother

However, to say that because someone has served the country in the military (or has a child serving now) renders them immune from criticism on policy matters or confers expertise in and of itself is not accurate.

No one here ever said that. You just gave yourself away. Only immature proggies say "how dare you question my patriotism" over and over.
No one cares.

1537 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:27:29am

re: #1509 windbrother

You're no casual follower of things military.

1538 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:27:33am

re: #1494 albusteve

you need one of these then...holster optional
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Believe it or not, I've considered something like that - unfortunately there is not a range w/in driving distance where I could learn how to use it.

1539 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:28:03am

re: #1473 LonnyE
I spent 2 years sleeping less than 150' from a nuclear reactor and lived near it while we tended to try to shake it from it's moorings with "angles & dangles". So, for me NucPower is the only way to go.

/I only glow in one part of my body and it comes in handy for those bathroom trips in the middle of the nite--Myfe™ is thankful for small graces ;-{)

1540 FrogMarch  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:28:09am

re: #1514 realwest

"The only way democrats win - is if they lie."
And buy the election - with funds from undisclosed sources.

Indeed.

George Soros Obama - supported by people named wsdkfddssqt and frtghghgopsissxz.

1541 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:28:09am

re: #1533 spypeach

We currently live in a small town in AA Co., it's one small little corner of hope in an otherwise sea of Blue.

I know you can't tell me which one, and I haven't lived there for 25 years, but my little patch of suburbia (and it was a glorious childhood) was Glen Burnie Park.

1542 Spirit93  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:28:10am

re: #1509 windbrother

Why don't you just link to the dem talking points? Saves a lot of copy and paste.

1543 SurferDoc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:28:27am

re: #1495 Dianna

The ones you mix cocktails in? I want a couple boxes for Christmas.

This isn't the exact one (mine are handloads) but it is pretty close.

CorbonDeepHollowpoint

1544 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:28:34am

re: #1515 rawmuse

Go tell it to Ophrah, dickcheeze.

/Oprah Almost Has Heart Attack When Machine Doesn't Count Her Vote

1545 gregg  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:28:47am

re: #1507 kcladderman

It would be interesting to see who those papers endorsed in the last few elections. Might put the whole thing in perspective.

Actually, it does show some of that information. If the circle the circle has a darker edge, that indicates it is a change from the the 2004 election (e.g. a blue circle with a darker blue edge means they endorsed Bush in 2004 and Obama this year). Also, if you hover over the circle it will have more details.

1546 Dianna  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:29:18am

re: #1518 Sharmuta

I'd be more worried about how 0bama's going to handle all that, not McCain.

Particularly since he doesn't even have a clue about inhalers for asthma - think about it.

1547 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:29:18am

re: #1531 BlueCanuck

hmmm typical moby tactic, 1.) Agree and praise targets, 2.) Start next section with "However", "But", etc. which completely invalidates previous paragraph. 3.) Brings up talking points that have nothing to do with anything at all.

*WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK*

/meats back on the menu lizards.

//save some for the fridge, lean times are a coming.

Might want to salt some of it if BHO wins--he'll cut off our Refrigeration Allotment.

1548 nyc redneck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:29:35am

re: #1516 spypeach

Yes I do love him, and I'm very proud of him too.
It's funny cause I had to beg him not to drive to Baltimore with the sign or PG County. at least not with out some Kevlar.

i admire him. he reminds me of my dad. "PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN"
these are the guys who give me hope. real hope.
not the obama kind.

1549 albusteve  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:29:39am

1.) Agree and praise targets, 2.) Start next section with "However", "But", etc. which completely invalidates previous paragraph. 3.) Brings up talking points that have nothing to do with anything at all.

"here again John and I agree"

1550 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:29:42am

re: #1546 Dianna

Particularly since he doesn't even have a clue about inhalers for asthma - think about it.

I don't get it.

1551 Long Nics are Looonnng  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:29:44am

re: #1522 MandyManners

From candy-trolls.

Sounds like from Mandy-Candy-Trolls.

1552 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:30:09am

Did YOU send BANKRUPT THE COAL INDUSTRY link to Drudge? Just go to his page, scroll down, enter the link into the "Send Tip to Drudge Box." ..then click submit. If enough people send the link he may post it.

1553 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:30:20am

re: #1542 Spirit93

Now, now, no need to disparage the hunt and pecker. After all he did put a lot of work into that post.

1554 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:30:30am

re: #1521 MandyManners

I specifically talked about zombie (and zombietime.com) and the Prarie Fire thingy.

Excellent!
These reports must count as a devastating blast to B0's pretence. Hopefully the last one will be taken up - with hat-tip! - by the talk media tomorrow.

1555 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:30:33am

re: #1551 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sounds like from Mandy-Candy-Trolls.


Who? Me? It's not twue. Not twue.

1556 jaunte  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:30:35am

re: #1547 MandyManners

Troll jerky. Euch.

1557 gregg  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:30:46am

re: #1507 kcladderman

It would be interesting to see who those papers endorsed in the last few elections. Might put the whole thing in perspective.

BTW, I don't really give a rat's arse who the newspapers endorse - I just thought it was interesting way to display the information.

1558 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:31:18am

re: #1529 yma o hyd

Is your nic Welsh? What does it mean?

(I had a border collie once - Tramp - fantastic dog!)

1559 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:31:19am

re: #1546 Dianna

Particularly since he doesn't even have a clue about inhalers for asthma - think about it.

But Sarah Palin wore white after Labor Day!

1560 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:31:38am

re: #1552 unrealizedviewpoint

Did YOU send BANKRUPT THE COAL INDUSTRY link to Drudge? Just go to his page, scroll down, enter the link into the "Send Tip to Drudge Box." ..then click submit. If enough people send the link he may post it.

/preferably before Pennsylvania goes blue

1561 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:31:38am

re: #1530 Dianna

Generally speaking. Body armor can make things interesting.

Body armor generally speaking will save your life against a .45, but even with the body armor a .45 round is going to knock your ass out, and you better wake back up again before who ever shot you decides to pop a round in your head just in case you are wearing body armor...

Oh, and I am actually working on a body armor design that deals with that specific issue... (I'm in the Carbon Composites Industry) ;)

1562 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:32:09am

re: #1561 doriangrey

Body armor generally speaking will save your life against a .45, but even with the body armor a .45 round is going to knock your ass out, and you better wake back up again before who ever shot you decides to pop a round in your head just in case you are wearing body armor...

Oh, and I am actually working on a body armor design that deals with that specific issue... (I'm in the Carbon Composites Industry) ;)

Oh, that is SO COOL!

1563 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:33:01am

re: #1479 Dianna
Hi {Dianna} - what's wrong with a S&W .40 "low recoil" handgun - ya can hit what you aim at and plenty of stopping power.

1564 kcladderman  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:33:01am

re: #1553 BlueCanuck

Now, now, no need to disparage the hunt and pecker. After all he did put a lot of work into that post.

I have heard people called one of those names, but what is a hunt ?

1565 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:33:07am

re: #1556 jaunte

Troll jerky. Euch.

Okay, salted troll, smoked troll, pickled troll, troll pemmican. Any other ideas?

1566 JacksonTn  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:33:22am

re: #1509 windbrother

As far as patriotism goes - I applaud John McCain's service to this country. We owe all veterans a huge debt. And I am a firm believer that every veteran that has served this country deserves the absolute best in health care, both mental and physical, this is available. I believe that all veterans that need them should get C-knees, and generally be given the best. We need more polytrauma centers, we need more and better VA hospitals. {and I'm a firm believer that their system of medical records should be expanded to the whole country!

However, to say that because someone has served the country in the military (or has a child serving now) renders them immune from criticism on policy matters or confers expertise in and of itself is not accurate.

If you want to talk defense, let's do that. Really. How is McCain going to fix procurement?

Just off the top of my head - the Navy wants to go all-nuclear but haven't even started doing the naval architecture studies for lower-class combatant designs. DD(X) and CG(X) are at best going to be funded for 2-3 ships as boutique demonstrators. Virginia class submarines is 46% over budget. LCS is dead in the water - GD and LockMart's demonstrators are not working properly and quite frankly, a Perry-class could sink one - NO organic area air defense, no organic anti-sub capacity, etc. The first in the new San Antonio class out of the shipyards in LA isn't even fit for service and still will probably cost another $300M to correct. The Navy's F-35C still hasn't even had a carrier test flight, much less exited SDD, much less to LRIP and has already breached Nunn-McCurdy limits. The next-generation carriers still haven't gotten the engine designs finalized - they want permanent in-hull electric drive but their preferred inductive design is significantly behind schedule. The Marine's EFV is still 5 years out, is having all kinds of teething problems, and has gone up in cost yet again (NM breach!)

The Air Force is flying a fleet so old that it's already under all kinds of flight restrictions. And JSF costs are through the roof, and as usual the Pentagon is adding requirements left and right that are driving costs through the roof and the costs are rising because the numbers bought are getting smaller and pushed further into the future. What does the Air Force leadership want to do? They could recapitalize the F-16 fleet with Block 60/62s such as we sold to the UAE with AESA that are far superior to anything that we're flying - 5 for the cost of one F-22, I believe. What's on the shelf for the USAF that has the range of a F-14? NOTHING. And cruise missiles? We have still have subsonic non-stealthy options. The rest of the world has gone supersonic two decades ago. Russo-Indian jointly developed BrahMos as an example, and the planned follow-on hypersonic BrahMos II? We don't have anything even in deveopment, and the only stealthy cruise missile we had, the AGM 129, is getting scrapped because of maintenance costs.

Air defense: the SM-3 has an excellent performance record but they terribly expensive and the SM-6 is behind schedule. And the problem of saturation hasn't gone anyway. Iran, china, or NK can throw 5 CSS-1 and/or CSS-2 anti-ship missiles at a carrier group for every SM2 or SM3 we can throw up. Not to mention that the Chinese have finally gotten a conventional ballistic missile naval seeker warhead. Just dump 30 into a basket and uncage the seekers (probably advanced SAR or ISAR; it's unlikely that terminal IR would work, cooled IR focal plane or not). It's much easier to build 10X more missiles when they cost 100k each and the defense costs $1M each.

Just off the top of your head? ...Sure ...How long have you been saving that to cut and paste on a blog where you know there are veterans? ...Call the McCain headquarters and ask them questions ...you wasting your time here with your crap at this late hour ...

1567 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:33:51am

re: #1564 kcladderman

"A key, now where did that A key go to. Oh there it is. . . . "

1568 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:33:57am

re: #1565 BlueCanuck

Okay, salted troll, smoked troll, pickled troll, troll pemmican. Any other ideas?

Pot roasted gamey buttocks

1569 SurferDoc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:34:06am

Body Armor+Head Shot=No Problem

1570 Long Nics are Looonnng  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:34:13am

re: #1555 MandyManners

Who? Me? It's not twue. Not twue.

The spouse bought the candy this year. Meaning, we have crap candy. When I buy it? Full size Three Muskateer, Snickers, Butterfingers, and Reeses (2pack).

This year, it looks like she took the top ten list of crap to give away (except the apples, popcorn balls, and toothbrushes) and bought it.

Poor kids.

1571 Dianna  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:34:17am

re: #1550 mama winger

I don't get it.

Technology, such as Windbrother has been discussing as a procurement issue (and I don't know enough about the process to comment intelligently), requires a basic understanding of science and also of manufacturing issues, both of which translate out as principles and costs.

Obama is unclear on how an inhaler is made and used. And asthma inhalers are ubiquitous.

1572 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:34:17am

re: #1504 doriangrey

I love the 45, but still don't think she could handle it--my point being, I only want to buy one ammo, and haven't seen a 45 weapon small enough for her--I guess that's where I'm coming from--so that's where I'm going with the 9mil or a .40? They can be a smaller, less weigthy gun--like was said above, can't get it on the target, you can't hit it.

1573 albusteve  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:34:27am

re: #1538 wahabicorridor

Believe it or not, I've considered something like that - unfortunately there is not a range w/in driving distance where I could learn how to use it.

save your money for the range...just pray and spray!...out here on the west mesa there is a 2200 acre range owned by the city of Albuquerque...law enforcement shares it with the public...I've seen all kinds of exotic stuff there but alas never one of these...

1574 Spirit93  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:34:47am

re: #1553 BlueCanuck

The quality of trolls these days!
Nodrog is somewhere, shaking his head in dismay.

1575 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:35:01am

re: #1566 JacksonTn

Just off the top of your head? ...Sure ...How long have you been saving that to cut and paste on a blog where you know there are veterans? ...Call the McCain headquarters and ask them questions ...you wasting your time here with your crap at this late hour ...

I wonder if he's posted it at about.com's military site.

1576 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:35:18am

re: #1569 SurferDoc

Body Armor+Head Shot=No Problem

/how a sniper sees it

1577 Dianna  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:35:28am

re: #1563 realwest

Hi {Dianna} - what's wrong with a S&W .40 "low recoil" handgun - ya can hit what you aim at and plenty of stopping power.

Hi, rw!

Not a thing wrong with a .40 in general. I tend to favor getting the heaviest firepower you can handle, that's all!

1578 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:35:30am

re: #1571 Dianna

Tanks! I havz teh dumz.

1579 kcladderman  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:35:30am

re: #1557 gregg

BTW, I don't really give a rat's arse who the newspapers endorse - I just thought it was interesting way to display the information.

Oh I don't know of anyone who actually considers a news paper endorsement very important (Except of course those they endorse) .

1580 nyc redneck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:35:50am

re: #1531 BlueCanuck

hmmm typical moby tactic, 1.) Agree and praise targets, 2.) Start next section with "However", "But", etc. which completely invalidates previous paragraph. 3.) Brings up talking points that have nothing to do with anything at all.

*WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK*

/meats back on the menu lizards.

//save some for the fridge, lean times are a coming.

you could smell the "however, but" coming from the first word of the spew.
lol

1581 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:35:55am

re: #1568 goddessoftheclassroom

Ah, but we are now talking preservation methods that don't require preservation. But that does have possibilities too you know.

/time to put the BBQ away for awhile I guess.

1582 alien_mind  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:36:10am

my nightmare is Obama as commander-in-chief and architect of US foreign policy. how McCain handles defense procurement is not an issue to me.

1583 jaunte  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:36:21am

re: #1575 MandyManners

Here's a possible source:
[Link: lefarkins.blogspot.com...]

1584 Dianna  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:36:46am

re: #1559 Sharmuta

But Sarah Palin wore white after Labor Day!

She did?!? Oh, the humanity!

1585 arethusa  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:36:47am

re: #1544 Killian Bundy

/Oprah Almost Has Heart Attack When Machine Doesn't Count Her Vote

On a related topic, I found out this morning that in NC, if you vote a straight ticket, that does NOT include your Presidential vote. You vote for President separately.

So, NC lizards, if you didn't know that, be careful if you're voting a straight ticket. In the last two elections, 2.5-3% of the North Carolinians who have voted, did not cast a vote for President. That's enough to swing that state one way or the other, if the polls there are right.

1586 spypeach  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:37:21am

re: #1541 goddessoftheclassroom

When's the last time you've been to Glen Burnie, I'm sure you would be surprised how much it's changed, and not necessarily for the better. Normally, I wouldn't think twice about telling you my town, but with all the crazies lurking about, I suppose I should be careful. Although I do have 2 yorkie watchdogs and a peekapoo ready to attack.

1587 johngaltlives  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:37:26am

What he wants to do to the coal industry is what he is going to do to the gun industry. I heard on some lib radio show the other day the idea of putting a $5 per bullet tax on certain ammo. That way they can get aorund the 2nd ammendment by not passing any legislation.

I have already started stocking up.

1588 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:37:34am

re: #1583 jaunte

Here's a possible source:
[Link: lefarkins.blogspot.com...]

I've never seen that one.

1589 jaunte  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:38:20am

re: #1588 MandyManners

Lots of PDS at that site.

1590 Dianna  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:38:23am

re: #1569 SurferDoc

Body Armor+Head Shot=No Problem

Don't forget knees. Everyone does, but not me.

Knees are forever.

1591 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:38:24am

re: #1587 johngaltlives

What he wants to do to the coal industry is what he is going to do to the gun industry. I heard on some lib radio show the other day the idea of putting a $5 per bullet tax on certain ammo. That way they can get aorund the 2nd ammendment by not passing any legislation.

I have already started stocking up.

Five dollars per bullet? That's fucking nuts.

1592 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:38:30am

Yahoo pic


A Palestinian shop owner displays mugs for sale featuring portraits of Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas at a souvenir shop in Gaza City, Sunday, Nov. 2, 2008.

Hope! Change!

1593 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:39:01am

re: #1573 albusteve

Sometimes the DEA guys show up at my range. I don't know wtf they have - I just call 'em 'cannons'. Very nice guys - if all the lanes are taken, they'll vacate one for me for 30 mins. They call me 'little lady'. I'm 5'4". When I talk to one guy, I' actually looking at his belt buckle.

LOL!

1594 gregg  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:39:21am

re: #1487 realwest

Not to mention that should Obama win (shudder) they will have to pay for their OWN military defense and to take care of any natural disasters on their OWN cause Uncle Sam won't have the capacity or the desire to help 'em out.
When the day comes I let GERMANS lecture me about morality, then you know the world's gone nutz.

I know this falls into the "cut off your nose to spite your face" thinking, but if Obama is elected, there is a part of me that hopes he implements his protectionist policies. I say that because I see all these polls on how Obama is overwhelming favored in foreign countries and I think, fine, wait till your no longer able to sell your products in the U.S.

Before people jump all over me, I know it'll drive the world into a depression and we will all suffer greatly - that's why I said "there is a part of me that hopes".

1595 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:39:29am
1596 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:39:31am

re: #1590 Dianna

Don't forget knees. Everyone does, but not me.

Knees are forever.

Or, smack-dab in the center of the thigh.

1597 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:39:45am

re: #1586 spypeach

When's the last time you've been to Glen Burnie, I'm sure you would be surprised how much it's changed, and not necessarily for the better. Normally, I wouldn't think twice about telling you my town, but with all the crazies lurking about, I suppose I should be careful. Although I do have 2 yorkie watchdogs and a peekapoo ready to attack.

I haven't been back for six years. The house my parents bought in 1968 for $25000 sold for $135000 in 1998. We learned that the current residents were busted for drug dealing. I know it's sad.

1598 LonnyE  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:39:47am

re: #1525 Spellcheck

The HRC Forum has made it easy to send the video to newspapers in the coal states.

Email addresses for papers across the USA

I don't trust that most newspapers would run with this especially with so little time left.

This is a national issue beyond the coal mining states. Coal power units do not exist solely in the coal mining states.

John McCain and Sarah Palin need to make this is one of their keypoints.

Republican talking heads need to be talking about this now.

Does anyone have a means to reach them quickly?

1599 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:39:53am

Well it's been fun, got some stress relieved and such. But my relief is here and it's time for me to go home and beddy by. See you all later this evening. Stay scaly and keep swinging those clue-by-fours everyone.

1600 Dianna  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:39:58am

re: #1578 mama winger

Tanks! I havz teh dumz.

Never.

I just wasn't clear.

1601 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:40:08am

re: #1565 BlueCanuck

Okay, salted troll, smoked troll, pickled troll, troll pemmican. Any other ideas?

Freeze-dried Instant Troll with noodles.

1602 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:40:11am

re: #1572 KB55

I love the 45, but still don't think she could handle it--my point being, I only want to buy one ammo, and haven't seen a 45 weapon small enough for her--I guess that's where I'm coming from--so that's where I'm going with the 9mil or a .40? They can be a smaller, less weigthy gun--like was said above, can't get it on the target, you can't hit it.

You do know (heresy I know) that the Colt 1911 isnt the only .45 made, right? Try this...

1603 LEGION  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:40:18am

re: #1552 unrealizedviewpoint

Done!

1604 arethusa  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:40:44am
1605 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:40:45am

re: #1585 arethusa

On a related topic, I found out this morning that in NC, if you vote a straight ticket, that does NOT include your Presidential vote. You vote for President separately.

So, NC lizards, if you didn't know that, be careful if you're voting a straight ticket. In the last two elections, 2.5-3% of the North Carolinians who have voted, did not cast a vote for President. That's enough to swing that state one way or the other, if the polls there are right.

/it's amazing that some States don't use optically scanned "darken the ovals" ballots, half a century old, extremely reliable technology, with a paper trail

1606 bbuddha  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:40:46am

re: #1513 KB55

BHO's going to try and make them illegal to purchase--it'll be much harder to take them away, so if you already have them before Jan 20th, you stand a better chance of keeping them

That is why I'm expanding my collection now, I hope everyone is.

1607 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:41:19am

re: #1558 wahabicorridor

Is your nic Welsh? What does it mean?

(I had a border collie once - Tramp - fantastic dog!)

It is - it means 'still here', and is the title of a wonderful, patriotic Welsh song ...

Border Collies are amazing dogs - full of character, hugely intelligent - and sometimes too clever by half! I bet you still miss Tramp ...

1608 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:41:30am

re: #1443 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ok, I just got back from Church. We prayed for America's decision on Tuesday. We were told to pray for God's will be done.

So I prayed (sorry, Lord)...

Dear Lord...

If your will is for America to be led by a man who is a friend to terrorists, an closet Socialist, and whose most ardent supporters hate all that America stands for...

then I do not agree with you at all, but, let your will be done.

Amen.

I am literally only able to repeat over and over. . ."Ribbono shel Olam" just calling to G-d, in a plea type way. . .like I am on a cliff and I cannot hold on any longer. . .praying for the end I want, and help if the battle goes ill. . .

1609 Spirit93  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:41:53am

re: #1599 BlueCanuck

bbl

1610 Dianna  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:42:37am

re: #1596 MandyManners

Or, smack-dab in the center of the thigh.

Oh, yes. They're certainly not getting up after that.

1611 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:43:15am

re: #1601 Alouette

Freeze-dried Instant Troll with noodles.


Ramen Troll?

1612 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:43:52am

re: #1509 windbrother
Yup. Boy I'm sure glad that no other country has seen fit to, ya know, take on the U.S. military with all of it's shortcomings.
You sure nailed it ok - ONE F-22 Raptor "Shot Down" 14 F-15 eagles in one exercise. Oh and those F-15's which are UNDEFEATED as air-superiority fighters, are being retired as too old.
And everyone knows our Nuclear Powered Aircraft carriers are nothing but targets.
And our ground forces are ALL now combat tested and primed. Who the hell else with any sizeable Armed Forces can say that?
Yup, I sure hope no one attacks us!
For their sake.
Now go quote your bullshit to people who might believe you.

1613 windbrother  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:44:07am

re: #1524 Alouette

Granted. But the Pentagon is, quite frankly, in a bad place now.

Half the equipment that's been sent to Southwest Asia will require extensive repair or outright replacement because of the excessive wear and use beyond design lifetimes.

And the replacement equipment is absolutely not ready. Look at the Army's FCS. Cost has doubled, delivery dates are pushed out, and the things that are being proposed are lighter and have less armor than today's M1A2's which are the only thing that has proven effective in urban battlespaces (the Strykers and their cheerleaders notwithstanding, wheeled vehicles that require add-on slat armor to protect against RPGs are not effective. If they ran into an opponent with even light anti-armor portable missiles, they'd be toast. And if you think that the Iranians won't supply them to Shi'a militias in Iraq or to Hezbollah you would be absolutely wrong.

Remember Hezbollah had CSS-2 anti-ship missiles lying around during the Second Lebanon War and managed to almost sink a Saar5 class corvette that was US built and had their own IAI advanced EW and advanced self-defense suite (granted, it took an over-under attack, but we can't expect stupid adversaries if they're backed by Iran).

What about follow-on R&D? DARPA canceled Blackswift, RATTLRS is at least five-ten years out, electromagnetic armor research has stalled to say the least, the US still doesn't have an effective anti-RPG / missile defense like the Israeli Trophy system (which, by the way, we had the arrogance to refuse to buy because it was Israeli and not our own. And LockMart *still* hasn't gotten anything nearly as effective). We don't take advantage of systems we jointly develop or fund the development of. E.g. I'd still take a Python 5 over an AIM-9X. And the Europeans have an excellent BVR AAM (Meteor) that's extremely fast and effective (like a follow-on to the US Phoenix would have been before that was canceled). AMRAAM does not do long-range BVR, and it's not as fast as the Meteor.

And what we do buy is crippled because of stupidty - F22s have stealthy inflight data links to each other but for SATCOM it's conventional and their air-to-ground uses Link 16 which is horribly easy to intercept and track. They don't have new waveforms for them or new JTRS capabilities or any kind of LPI capabilities. Or flank radar coverage, although they have the aperatures for it.

And what we do have has been horribly designed - we're having to backfit cannons onto the V22 Osprey to give it any kind of self-defense capability or support ability for ground troops.

And program overrun after program overrun - ARH has been canceled, as was Comanche. The Kiowas are just going to be used until they rust out if they can keep flying at all. Forget division-level organic air at this level. And the UAVs we have are slow and big. Any respectable AA missile can take down a Predator or Global Hawk. Hell, a SA-2 or SA-6 could do that.

Tell me how the Pentagon is even going to begin fixing that without another couple hundred BILLION dollars per year? And where would that come from besides deficit spending?

1614 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:44:09am

Got to get something productive done. See y'all later!

1615 arethusa  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:44:11am

re: #1443 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ok, I just got back from Church. We prayed for America's decision on Tuesday. We were told to pray for God's will be done.

So I prayed (sorry, Lord)...

Dear Lord...

If your will is for America to be led by a man who is a friend to terrorists, an closet Socialist, and whose most ardent supporters hate all that America stands for...

then I do not agree with you at all, but, let your will be done.

Amen.

If Obama wins, we should put that on a placard and sell it at an LGF store. We'll call it "The Fat Bastard Vegetarian's Prayer."

(I've been making a similar prayer lately, but yours has waaay more panache.)

1616 SurferDoc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:44:24am

re: #1590 Dianna

Don't forget knees. Everyone does, but not me.

Knees are forever.

Good point. I was trained "Center Mass, Double Tap". I never even think about anything lower.

1617 jaunte  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:45:08am

52% of electricity generation in the US is coal-fueled.
14.8% is nuclear.

On top of that, there is a growing worldwide coal shortage versus demand:

"Despite soaring prices, the U.S. Energy Information Administration has cut projections of U.S. output rather than raised them, and now foresees a total of 1.166 billion short tons by 2010, barely up from a record 1.163 billion in 2006.

That is not enough to overcome what some coal officials see as a shortage of 25 million to 35 million tons this year in the 6-billion-ton world market and a shortfall of perhaps 70 million tons next year."


[Link: www.ibtimes.com...]

1618 albusteve  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:45:18am

re: #1593 wahabicorridor

my cannon is a 12ga...coupla weeks ago I was at the range and it was so windy that my target load was blowing away at 25yds...so I loaded slugs and the first one went onto the top of the forehead...the second at the top of the throat...decap...I cased it up and went home...hahaha...6$

1619 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:45:39am

re: #1610 Dianna

Oh, yes. They're certainly not getting up after that.

ROTFLMAO... I have heard, though have no personal experience, that shooting someone in the big toe has a very similar affect except that it adds an enormous comedic affect as well... ;O

1620 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:45:44am

Et tu, Powerline?
Belgium shrugged

Debie was a senior police officer in Antwerp in 2003 when, according to Diana's account, he and several other officers responded to a report of drunk and disorderly conduct. They were attacked by five Turkish men wielding a baseball bat and a knife (two witnesses testified in court that this attack occurred). After helping to subdue and arrest the attackers, Debie was called away to supervise a SWAT team elsewhere in Antwerp, and his men returned to the station with the Turkish prisoners. The prisoners later claimed they had been beaten and subjected to racism while at the station.

Debie believes that the prisoners were, in fact, beaten. But it is undisputed that he was not involved in any beating or racist utterances. Nonetheless, Debie was charged and convicted of creating an atmosphere in which the offensive statements were uttered, and was given a suspended sentence. Meanwhile, the policeman who admitted to making the "racist" comments went unpunished and now serves, according to Debie, on a "team for managing diversity in Antwerp." The Turks were never charged for their assault on police.

Debie then committed his real "offense." He decided to decided to run for a seat on the Antwerp city council as a member of the Vlaams Belang party. To make matters, he was elected.

Vlaams Belang seeks Flemish independence from Belgium through the political process, and it opposes the Islamization of European culture. Consequently, it is hated by Belgium's left-wing establishment which, as Diana observes, encourages such Islamization "in part to help increase their own constituencies."

1621 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:45:45am

re: #1610 Dianna

Oh, yes. They're certainly not getting up after that.

Especially if the femoral artery is affected.

1622 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:45:47am

re: #1518 Sharmuta

I'd be more worried about how 0bama's going to handle all that, not McCain.

Obama will shut the whole thing down. All next-generation weapons systems in development will be canceled, including some that're already reaching units - the F-22. The Democrats have already said they will cut the military 25% in 2009.

1623 windbrother  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:46:08am

re: #1562 goddessoftheclassroom

I work in nanotechnology and I'm aware of the developments of which you speak. VERY exciting stuff. But the question is - cost, mass-producibility, and can you keep funding going to commericalization in this current economic climate?

The substances of which you speak also are still proving difficult to align properly in bulk and to find the proper matrix material.

1624 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:46:17am

re: #1617 jaunte

52% of electricity generation in the US is coal-fueled.
14.8% is nuclear.

On top of that, there is a growing worldwide coal shortage versus demand:

[Link: www.ibtimes.com...]


It's like Total Recall- it is like "selling air"

1625 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:46:54am

re: #1608 DisturbedEma

I am literally only able to repeat over and over. . ."Ribbono shel Olam" just calling to G-d, in a plea type way.

This is where I am too, only in Gentile-speak.

:)

1626 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:47:13am

Drudge just linked the coal video

1627 yesandno  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:47:17am

re: #1605 Killian Bundy

/it's amazing that some States don't use optically scanned "darken the ovals" ballots, half a century old, extremely reliable technology, with a paper trail

I agree. The NC ballot I cast was like that. A paper trail was left However, I noted that my ballot was barcoded and linked to my own voter number. So now I really wonder how "secret" my ballot actually was. No doubt the paper trail can be linked back to my signature and voter number.

1628 Racer X  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:47:40am

re: #1518 Sharmuta

I'd be more worried about how 0bama's going to handle all that, not McCain.

Obama will scrap all of it.

"Reorganize the military"

1629 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:47:58am

re: #1607 yma o hyd

Lovely! But Dafydd Iwan ?

/yes, Tramp was the magic dog...

1630 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:48:16am

re: #1625 mama winger

I am literally only able to repeat over and over. . ."Ribbono shel Olam" just calling to G-d, in a plea type way.

This is where I am too, only in Gentile-speak.

:)

So, we are covered in two religions. . .:)

1631 johngaltlives  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:48:22am

re: #1625 mama winger

When the Bible says "he was on his face weeping in prayer..."

I now know what that means.

1632 VegasRick  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:48:53am

re: #1626 unrealizedviewpoint

Drudge just linked the coal video

Great news!

1633 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:49:12am

re: #1623 windbrother

/had to duck in for this one

You are definitely talking out your ass buddy. You just jumped to conclusions, made some assumptions, and REPLIED to the wrong bloody post. And you say you work with nano tech?

/not bloody likely
//maroon

1634 pat  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:49:21am

Obama is dangerously stupid. He clearly states that the carbon tax will bankrupt coal, but the money gained will finance wind and solar. Ah...there will be no money, you dolt.

1635 SurferDoc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:49:22am

re: #1626 unrealizedviewpoint

Drudge just linked the coal video

Fantastic! Cheers all around!

1636 johngaltlives  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:49:42am

re: #1632 VegasRick


Great. That means Hannity, Rush et al will pick it up tomorrow.

But I am sure that BO will say it is just a desperate trick by Rove.//

1637 LonnyE  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:49:45am

re: #1154 buzzdroid

where are the coal states?

just wondering. isnt pennsylvania a swing state? or ohio?

It is not just a question for the coal mining states. Coal power generation units are in most states.

[Link: www.eia.doe.gov...]

1638 jaunte  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:50:09am

Ed Morissey:
"Obama already called for a 15% reduction in demand for electricity — at the same time he and his allies want transportation to switch from gasoline to electricity. Obama never explained this particular contradiction. How does one switch tens of millions of vehicles from gasoline to electricity while not Increasing demand, let alone by cutting it 15%? And when trying to break free from a recession, the nation will need greater production in energy, not a reduction.

The coal-based economics of Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Kentucky, Ohio, and other states will be the first to feel this new policy. Let’s hope the voters there pay attention."
[Link: hotair.com...]

1639 spypeach  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:50:25am

Too bad it's not in Big Red Letters with a siren. Now that would be great.

1640 vxbush  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:50:53am

re: #1493 mama winger

The way I understand God to be, He does not approve of folks who would let newborn infants lay on stainless steel tables until they are dead. This would not be His will.

I think I am pretty safe on this one.

Too bad I can't triple upding you.

1641 jaunte  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:51:01am

re: #1634 pat

Dangerous, yes. Not stupid; he intends the obvious consequences.

1642 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:51:03am

re: #1632 VegasRick

Great news!

He's linked to a newsbusters story actually. Yeah!

1643 VegasRick  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:51:19am

re: #1636 johngaltlives

Great. That means Hannity, Rush et al will pick it up tomorrow.

But I am sure that BO will say it is just a desperate trick by Rove.//

Yep. Just another "distraction".

1644 arethusa  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:51:30am

So, a reporter asked Obama when he would take questions from the press. Obama said, "On Wednesday."

///Wednesday is also when the LA Times will release the Khalidi video and I'm betting at least a fifth of Obama voters will wake up with a bad case of buyer's remorse if he wins.

1645 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:51:34am

re: #1628 Racer X

Obama will scrap all of it.

"Reorganize the military"


I could understand the ignorance of many people in the US. . .IF the one was going to any lengths AT ALL of concealing his plans. . .but he is not.

ANY JEW who is not freaked the HELL out by the words he uses outside his Jewish speaking engagements doesn't know their history! Reorganize, redistribute, people behind you getting more, all of these things should be freaking my fellow Jews out to no end. . .and on the heels of bank/economic crisis- Fucking A it is Germany circa 1933, without the treaty of Versallies!

Oy GEVALT!

1646 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:51:43am

re: #1584 Dianna

re: #1559 Sharmuta

But Sarah Palin wore white after Labor Day!

She did?!? Oh, the humanity!

RACISM!

/kos

1647 JacksonTn  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:51:48am

May have already been reported but Coal tape on Drudge ...

1648 rightymouse  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:52:02am

re: #1613 windbrother

Vote for Obama, brother. He'll get rid of the military and you won't have to worry about any of this.

1649 johngaltlives  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:52:37am

re: #1640 vxbush


Not according to her Highness Pelosi and his holiness John Kerry. God seems to be neutral on the murder of the unborn.

I would love to be there when they stand before the Lord on judgement day. It is going to be an OHHH shit! Moment.

1650 Shr_Nfr  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:52:44am

re: #1244 realwest

While I obviously do not agree with the White Supremacist sorts, I kinda understand where they are coming from. Four years of 0bama and a Democratic Congress would bankrupt this nation so severely that the country would be in open revolt against them. Perhaps that is why he wants his Brownshirts and "Education Camps". As I commented in one of the spinoffs reference the coal companies, unless we get our act together, we will have brownouts as early as next year. [Link: www.nextgenenergy.org...] It is probable that we may have blackouts in 2010. In so many words, that would totally destroy our economy and would probably outright kill a number of people, through traffic accidents, malfunction of life support systems, etc. Rather than making Africa like us with our standard of living, he is going to make us like Africa with their standard of living.

1651 kcladderman  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:53:02am

re: #1634 pat

Obama is dangerously stupid. He clearly states that the carbon tax will bankrupt coal, but the money gained will finance wind and solar. Ah...there will be no money, you dolt.



There you go using logic again. Don't you realize you don't need logic when you have HOPE .

1652 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:53:35am

re: #1617 jaunte
Oh, man, thank you for that link!

re: #1618 albusteve
ROTFLMAO!

1653 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:54:31am

re: #1626 unrealizedviewpoint

Drudge just linked the coal video

Damn. He did! WOO HOO!

1654 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:54:33am

re: #1629 wahabicorridor

Lovely! But Dafydd Iwan ?

/yes, Tramp was the magic dog...

I knooowww! And he's a Nationalist - which wouldn't be so bad if that party (Plaid Cymru) wasn't to the left of Old Lab ... which is to the left of NuLab

Still - that song is quite good, and as a granny I'm quite happy to remind people that I'm still here, teeheehee!

I'm sure Tramp was magical - anybody who puts in the effort to share their life with a Border Collie gains huge rewards. They're not dogs made for a sedentary person, thats for sure!

1655 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:54:34am

re: #1623 windbrother

I work in nanotechnology and I'm aware of the developments of which you speak. VERY exciting stuff. But the question is - cost, mass-producibility, and can you keep funding going to commericalization in this current economic climate?

The substances of which you speak also are still proving difficult to align properly in bulk and to find the proper matrix material.

First of all, it was me talking about it, not goddess, and second of all, it doesn't sound like you have a clue what you are talking about. While the company I work for does do some government/military contracting, by and large the majority of our business is civilian.

I am having no problem what so ever with cost, mass-reproducibility, bulk alignment or proper matrix material.

1656 spypeach  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:54:41am

The YouTube video currently has 6,793 views, It will be interesting to see how much that number goes up.

1657 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:54:42am

Maybe Charles will do a Coal Thread?

1658 Dianna  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:54:45am

re: #1621 MandyManners

Especially if the femoral artery is affected.

I've always wondered how you are supposed to torniquet someone who was trying to kill you less than a minute ago.

1659 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:54:49am

re: #1458 MandyManners

So I can burp and scratch?

Burp like you mean it, and get a good echo off a nearby building, and there are some that would declare you a gift from heaven.

1660 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:54:58am

re: #1561 doriangrey

Is it true that a lower velocity projectile will penetrate kevlar? Say an arrow or crossbow bolt? Or is that myth?

1661 LonnyE  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:54:59am

re: #1638 jaunte

Ed Morissey:
The coal-based economics of Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Kentucky, Ohio, and other states will be the first to feel this new policy. Let’s hope the voters there pay attention."
[Link: hotair.com...]

I'm going to keep gently reminding you all until you get that this is not an issue limited to a few states. Please review my link in 1637.

1662 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:55:11am

re: #1650 Shr_Nfr

As I commented in one of the spinoffs reference the coal companies, unless we get our act together, we will have brownouts as early as next year. [Link: www.nextgenenergy.org...] It is probable that we may have blackouts in 2010. In so many words, that would totally destroy our economy and would probably outright kill a number of people, through traffic accidents, malfunction of life support systems, etc. Rather than making Africa like us with our standard of living, he is going to make us like Africa with their standard of living.

But he'll be "saving the planet"! Stopping global warming! Can't you see?

**gag**

1663 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:55:37am

re: #1656 spypeach

The YouTube video currently has 6,793 views, It will be interesting to see how much that number goes up.

It's still at 6793. I think the counters stuck. it's been that # forever.

1664 JacksonTn  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:55:49am

McCain about to speak in PA ... I hope someone on his staff reads Drudge ..

1665 pat  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:55:50am

So many distraction for Mr Obama. Let us see. For the working man he will destroy:
Coal mining
The light bulb
The military
nuclear power
the drug industry
weapons production
banking
the petroleum industry


Pretty good for openers.

1666 Shr_Nfr  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:56:07am

re: #1645 DisturbedEma

The amount of history that is taught about the era in the 1910s->1950s in our public school system is little or nil. The public at large is ignorant and prefer it like that.

1667 windbrother  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:56:13am

re: #1566 JacksonTn

Saving? Hardly, I did that post entirely off the top of my head. I chose to work on building products and doing research that will push science rather than work as an analyst in ...certain places in Washington. That's *NOT* because I couldn't. It's just that I didn't want to ride a desk analyzing other people's work.

If you want to talk military history, grand strategy, Pentagon procurement policy, any kind of science / technology, how nanotechnology is evolving, the next RMA and 4G/5G warfare vs. a conventional 3G force, I'd be happy to do it.

1668 Racer X  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:56:29am

re: #1645 DisturbedEma

6 months ago it was all about the war in Iraq. Thats all the left had. How many "US Out Of Iraq Now!" signs are gathering dust?

US deaths in Iraq plunge to wartime low in October

How in the hell did this idiot get this close to winning the presidency?

1669 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:56:34am

re: #1623 windbrother

Some people are like Slinkies: not really good for anything but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.

1670 LEGION  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:56:55am

McCain on Fox News speaking at a Rally in Wallingford, PA now.

1671 jaunte  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:57:05am

Obama the Wrecker:

"Let me sort of describe my overall policy.

What I've said is that we would put a cap and trade system in place that is as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than anybody else's out there.

I was the first to call for a 100% auction on the cap and trade system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases emitted would be charged to the polluter. That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants that are being built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted down caps that are being placed, imposed every year.

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted.

That will also generate billions of dollars* that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel and other alternative energy approaches.

The only thing I've said with respect to coal, I haven't been some coal booster. What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as a ideological matter as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it.

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can.

It's just that it will bankrupt them."

* No taxes will be generated from bankrupt energy companies.

1672 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:57:10am

re: #1664 JacksonTn

McCain about to speak in PA ... I hope someone on his staff reads Drudge ..

/boy, if there was ever a time, now is it

1673 quickredfox  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:57:19am

re: #1607 yma o hyd

It is - it means 'still here', and is the title of a wonderful, patriotic Welsh song ...

Beautiful. Spotted the pics of Welsh Ponies too. That's what I drive -- or rather drove, since my old mare passed away. I'm in the process of interviewing a successor.

1674 arethusa  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:57:40am

re: #1664 JacksonTn

McCain about to speak in PA ... I hope someone on his staff reads Drudge ..

Palin's also in OH all day today, multiple events. Hope somebody tells her, too!

1675 rawmuse  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:57:44am

re: #1561 doriangrey

Body armor generally speaking will save your life against a .45, but even with the body armor a .45 round is going to knock your ass out, and you better wake back up again before who ever shot you decides to pop a round in your head just in case you are wearing body armor...

Oh, and I am actually working on a body armor design that deals with that specific issue... (I'm in the Carbon Composites Industry) ;)

There is no upside to getting shot at, no matter what you are wearing.

1676 bbuddha  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:57:47am

off to see if the chowder is ready. stomach growling, must be lunchtime

1677 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:57:53am

re: #1665 pat

So many distraction for Mr Obama. Let us see. For the working man he will destroy:
Coal mining
The light bulb
The military
nuclear power
the drug industry
weapons production
banking
the petroleum industry


Pretty good for openers.

But what about all the freebies he's gonna hand out?

:^/

1678 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:57:56am

I always suspected YouTube of adjusting the counter numbers. But, I have no data to make such an accusation.

1679 nyc redneck  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:58:02am

re: #1632 VegasRick

hey VegasRick,
haven't seen you in a while. how are you?

1680 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:58:27am

re: #1637 LonnyE

It is not just a question for the coal mining states. Coal power generation units are in most states.

[Link: www.eia.doe.gov...]

And its especially a question for all industry who needs electricity to produce!
No products - no sales - no work - jobless - in dark, cold or hot houses - and just think of all the work in small businesses which rely on electricity ...

(Only silver lining: MSM Would have to be rationed ... Flip side - no PCs ...)

That man is seriously deluded!

1681 Shr_Nfr  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:58:27am

re: #1651 kcladderman

Actually, its a secret code on 0bama's part its not HOPE, its EPOH Every Person On Hemp.

1682 SurferDoc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:58:52am

KB55: Have you considered the Ladysmith 9mm or .357? Good for smaller hands, versatile with ammo. Then you could get one in the same caliber that suits you.

Ladysmith9mm

1683 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:58:58am

re: #1613 windbrother

Tell me how the Pentagon is even going to begin fixing that without another couple hundred BILLION dollars per year? And where would that come from besides deficit spending?

Obama will abolish the Defense Dept. and replace it with the Department of Peace.

1684 JacksonTn  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:59:05am

re: #1678 unrealizedviewpoint

I always suspected YouTube of adjusting the counter numbers. But, I have no data to make such an accusation.

I think the numbers are only updated every so often not per view ...

1685 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:59:06am

re: #1509 windbrother

What exactly is the alternative when Obama and his fellow Democrats are talking a 25% cut in defense spending? None of the problems you address are going to be solved by cutting spending even further. As it is, we're near historical lows for military spending as a portion of GDP. Cutting that spending even further would only reduce our capabilities going forward, replenishing existing equipment stocks, and reduce the ability to build new technologies going forward.

Heck, cutting defense spending along the lines of what the Democrats propose would have a direct and measurable impact on jobs back home too. And that doesn't even begin to get into what it means for national security and foreign policy.

1686 realwest  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:59:45am

Well all y'all Geek Squad is here and I gotta run - I really hope I get the chance to see you all down the road!

1687 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 8:59:56am

re: #1658 Dianna

I've always wondered how you are supposed to torniquet someone who was trying to kill you less than a minute ago.

Around the neck

1688 albusteve  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:00:19am

re: #1665 pat

So many distraction for Mr Obama. Let us see. For the working man he will destroy:
Coal mining
The light bulb
The military
nuclear power
the drug industry
weapons production
banking
the petroleum industry


Pretty good for openers.

if he lays one hand on the blues or rock and roll he's history...

1689 Shr_Nfr  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:00:29am

re: #1671 jaunte

Hell, we can balance the budget and guarantee Social Security with just the revenues of CO2 emissions from that gasbag Biden.

1690 Dianna  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:01:20am

re: #1660 KB55

Is it true that a lower velocity projectile will penetrate kevlar? Say an arrow or crossbow bolt? Or is that myth?

Kevlar doesn't stop blades.

1691 SurferDoc  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:01:29am

re: #1686 realwest

Well all y'all Geek Squad is here and I gotta run - I really hope I get the chance to see you all down the road!

You'll be back!

1692 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:01:52am

re: #1673 quickredfox

Beautiful. Spotted the pics of Welsh Ponies too. That's what I drive -- or rather drove, since my old mare passed away. I'm in the process of interviewing a successor.

They're wild, running around on the bleak upland commons. They don't mind the sheep ...

1693 FrogMarch  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:01:54am

re: #1644 arethusa

So, a reporter asked Obama when he would take questions from the press. Obama said, "On Wednesday."

///Wednesday is also when the LA Times will release the Khalidi video and I'm betting at least a fifth of Obama voters will wake up with a bad case of buyer's remorse if he wins.

what an arrogant bastard.

1694 JacksonTn  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:02:13am

Drudge needs to just link to the video at youtube ...I think it will load faster ...I hope he makes it a headline ...

1695 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:02:13am

re: #1681 Shr_Nfr

Actually, its a secret code on 0bama's part its not HOPE, its EPOH Every Person On Hemp.

/divide the country into hard working people and riff raff and then check it against party registration, the degree of the positive correlation would amaze you

1696 Racer X  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:02:21am

re: #1681 Shr_Nfr

Actually, its a secret code on 0bama's part its not HOPE, its EPOH Every Person On Hemp.

Cute, but hemp does not get you high.

1697 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:02:38am

re: #1661 LonnyE

Ummm.. I pointed it out way above. Every state is affected by Obama's policies. Everyone who pays for electricity will be affected by this. Every business and every homeowner.

No one will escape the effects of Obama's disastrous energy policy plan to bankrupt the coal industry. No one.

All those costs incurred will be passed on. It's what businesses do. They have higher energy costs - and pass them on to the end user. It's what airlines do. It's what all businesses do. Why would anyone expect the energy industry and utilities to do anything different?

Obama's economic policies are as wrong as one can possibly conceive.

1698 VegasRick  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:02:59am

re: #1679 nyc redneck

hey VegasRick,
haven't seen you in a while. how are you?

Pretty good, life has just been very busy!

1699 windbrother  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:03:12am

re: #1633 BlueCanuck

Oh really? Let's skip the inevitable arguments over credentials for a second. What kind of composites are you talking about then? SWNT / MWNTs have to be properly aligned in a matrix material to hold their resilience. The best that's been so far is to put them into tennis rackets and bicycles. As yet, weaving CNTs into thread has not been adequately done. PECVD CNT techniques still produces vertically grown tangles. Have you ever put those kinds of samples in a SEM or TEM? Or used AFM to test their strength? Not to mention the bloody things have to be handled extremely carefully as they're worse than asbestos. One breathful of those and mesothelemia here you come.

Buckypaper is promising but not terribly far along.

I actually put more faith in the nanoclay composite work done earlier this year that mimics nacre - not to mention it's *much* more cheap to produce by orders of magnitude.

1700 LonnyE  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:03:13am

Should we ask Charles to give us a coal power its own thread?

1701 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:03:34am

I agree with Kos...

Republican mayor of San Diego supports gay marriage
by kos

If the GOP hopes to survive into the future, they'll need more of this. That's certainly the case in California, but that will also be the case nationwide in the midterm. A party that has built its power by demonizing government should understand that advocating for government meddling in people's personal lives is a long-term political loser.

1702 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:03:46am

re: #1677 Spiny Norman

But what about all the freebies he's gonna hand out?

:^/

Heh.
Sad, innit, there won't be any, not when whole industries have been laid to waste ... no business > no taxes > no freebies.

1703 Racer X  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:04:16am

How about:
Help
Obama
Plagiarize
Europe

1704 jaunte  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:04:33am

If Obama's tax plan bankrupts an energy company, the assets will be nationalized. The goal is not efficiency of production, but control of production. See Chavez, Venezuela for the pattern.

1705 razorbacker  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:04:59am

I LOLed. Out loud. I'm a bad man.

Advertisement and the virtue of audacity.

But wait.

1. Life ain't high school.

B. There are layers of fact-checkers to keep this sort of thing from happening.

3. No-one would even consider attempting this in the real world.

Finally. La-la-la I can't hear you. Buncha poopy-head racists.

1706 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:05:12am

re: #1602 doriangrey

Thanx, Dorian--I knew somoene in here would know about something--that's right on for her, then I can go with what I know very well.

Now, where can I get the 7.7mmJap?

1707 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:05:57am

re: #1704 jaunte

This is where the bankruptcy part goes awry. Why would you expect the company not to pass along the increased costs? They're not going to internalize them. They'll pass them along to the *ahem* middle class. The energy company isn't the target. It's everyone.

1708 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:06:08am

re: #1701 Killgore Trout

Yeah. The Republican Party should DEFINITELY take advice from Kos on how to make the party stronger and more viable.

1709 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:06:11am

re: #1704 jaunte

If Obama's tax plan bankrupts an energy company, the assets will be nationalized. The goal is not efficiency of production, but control of production. See Chavez, Venezuela for the pattern.

I said the EXACT same thing yesterday about the agriculture sector.

Now, I gotta hop - grocery store beckons

1710 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:06:13am

re: #1693 FrogMarch

Indeed - and that press conference on Wednesday?
There won't be any when McCain has beaten him!

1711 victor_yugo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:06:40am

re: #1696 Racer X

Cute, but hemp does not get you high.

Maybe not, but the rope is good for other things.

1712 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:07:06am

C'mon McCain, you can do it!

/COAL DAMN IT, THE STORY IS HOURS OLD ALREADY!

1713 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:07:17am

re: #1708 mama winger

The video is very touching.

1714 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:08:16am

re: #1703 Racer X

How about:
Help
Obama
Plagiarize
Europe

I like it.

1715 LonnyE  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:08:21am
Ummm.. I pointed it out way above. Every state is affected by Obama's policies. Everyone who pays for electricity will be affected by this. Every business and every homeowner.

Kudos to you. I was not replying to your post. Sorry but not everyone reads everything in a 1000+ post thread from start to finish.

1716 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:08:49am

re: #1701 Killgore Trout

I agree with Kos...

If the GOP hopes to survive into the future...

Why would Markos want the GOP to "survive" at all? Wasn't he advocating its complete and permanent destruction only a couple of weeks ago?

1717 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:08:49am

re: #1690 Dianna

Kevlar doesn't stop blades.

IIRC, Kevlar fibers are very difficult to break, so a Kevlar weave is very effective against something, like say a bullet, that hits a fairly large cross section of the weave. Something with a fine point, like an arrow or knife tip, just forces its way between the fibers and the sharp edge will then cut the fibers as well.

1718 alien_mind  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:08:53am

I guarantee Rush will hammer away on this coal story tomorrow.
Pretty juicy election eve story when several key states are major coal producers.

1719 jaunte  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:08:55am

re: #1707 lawhawk

When cost increases are passed to the consumers, look for 'windfall profits' complaints to rise, then the government will have to step in to 'protect the consumer.'

1720 windbrother  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:09:38am

re: #1685 lawhawk

And again, I never said I supported Obama. You're reading things into my statements that aren't there.

I'm not proposing cutting defense - but where's the money going to come from? We're bailing out Wall Street, etc, to the tune of more than the defense budget now and that's just in the last two months. Let's not forget all the Treasury's additional programs, like lowering the reserve requirements, paying interest on such reserves, the commercial paper lending facility, re-opening the discount window to all sorts of institutions, the AIG and Bear Stearns bailouts - that's probably at least $1.5T in spending there.

And that doesn't count the $200B in operational expenditures for Southwest Asia.

The current occupant of the White House added yet another entitlement albatross to this country's neck called Medicare Part D. And an unfunded mandate called NCLB to the Department of Ed.

We need to re-up on a lot of things with defense?

But what about infrastructure spending? It's clear that the federal highway funding mechanism is a disaster - when road travel gets cut back, so do revenues. And you've read the ASHRAE / American Society of Civil Engineers reports, no? We need $150B/year to fix our crumbling infrastructure.

Where do you propose to get all the money to do this? We can't deficit spend forever and quite frankly at some point the rest of Asia will get tired of purchasing our debt. Right now, financially, we don't compare so well to countries that have required IMF bailouts. We need to get our own fiscal house in order.

What happened to pay-as-you-go spending rules? Or are we all Keynesians now?

1721 arethusa  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:09:52am

I'm watching the McCain rally in PA. Every time I see the candidates holding a rally, I can't help but contrast them:

1 - McCain and Palin always call on the vets to identify themselves and thank them for their service. I think I have seen Biden do this (not sure), but never Obama. Has anyone?

2 - McCain/Palin crowds chant "U-S-A, U-S-A!" Obama crowds chant "Obama, Obama." (To be fair, Palin's crowds often chant "Sarah! Sarah!" but never ad nauseam.)

1722 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:09:55am

re: #1712 Killian Bundy

C'mon McCain, you can do it!

/COAL DAMN IT, THE STORY IS HOURS OLD ALREADY!

Hours old yes, but not prominent enough for the campaign to notice till now.

1723 taejohndo  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:10:10am

re: #1658 Dianna

I've always wondered how you are supposed to torniquet someone who was trying to kill you less than a minute ago.

Put around their neck ...

1724 quickredfox  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:10:34am

re: #1692 yma o hyd

They're wild, running around on the bleak upland commons. They don't mind the sheep ...

Something interesting I've seen in the Welsh Pony foals I know, or at least the line mine came from. As babies they were wild as foxes. We would handle them a lot, but they would stay very cautious, even with the friendliest mothers. Then at some point getting toward a year old, they would turn friendly. I would joke that it must be a cultural memory of when Henry the Eighth picked on ponies. Good survival instincts.

1725 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:10:55am

re: #1718 alien_mind

I guarantee Rush will hammer away on this coal story tomorrow.
Pretty juicy election eve story when several key states are major coal producers.

McCain is on the TV right now, in Pennsylvania.

/it would be big, huge bonus points if he would at least mention it

1726 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:10:56am

People who aligned themselves with the Republican Party only after the events of 9-11 are often dismayed to find that there were some of us already here, for quite a while actually, and that we are conservative.

Imagine that.

1727 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:11:26am

re: #1720 windbrother

And again, I never said I supported Obama. You're reading things into my statements that aren't there.

You don't have to say it. We can read between the lines.

1728 VegasRick  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:11:36am

re: #1713 Killgore Trout

The video is very touchy feelying.


fixed

1729 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:11:52am

Coal thread dead ahead!

1730 rightymouse  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:12:01am

re: #1726 mama winger

People who aligned themselves with the Republican Party only after the events of 9-11 are often dismayed to find that there were some of us already here, for quite a while actually, and that we are conservative.

Imagine that.

I wasn't dismayed at all. In fact, I was thrilled. :)

1731 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:12:02am

re: #1666 Shr_Nfr

The amount of history that is taught about the era in the 1910s->1950s in our public school system is little or nil. The public at large is ignorant and prefer it like that.

I expect better from my fellow Jews. . .

1732 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:12:07am

re: #1701 Killgore Trout

I agree with Kos...

Republican mayor of San Diego supports gay marriage
by kos

Mayor Jerry Sanders is not too conservative on social issues like that, has kind of a "Live And Let Live" attitude. His support of the local gay community is well known. Such attitudes served him well when he was our police chief some years ago.

1733 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:12:12am

re: #1725 Killian Bundy

McCain is on the TV right now, in Pennsylvania.

/it would be big, huge bonus points if he would at least mention it

If he does not get the word for this particular event, there are many others scheduled for today and I would hope that the campaign could re-work the speeches in time for those events.

1734 Joan  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:12:34am

This excerpt describes the journalistic field of battle in which we see fuition of Alinsky tactics, that is, the point where followers no longer require instigation or direction, but rather on their own engage in actions, gleeful and malicious, in behalf of the movement. In the "public sector" we see this acted out in illegal snooping and leaks about people, like, you know Joe the Plumber. This process is far advanced in our society, thanks to relentless deconstruction of ethical and moral absolutes, and the ubiquitous socialist indoctrination in pop culture, in classrooms, in churches. Anyway, here's the quote:

“The process [of mass-media deception] has to be conscious, or it would not be carried out with sufficient precision, but it also has to be unconscious, or it would bring with it a feeling of falsity and hence of guilt... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies all this is indispensably necessary.” George Orwell in the book 1984

1735 mama winger  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:12:39am

re: #1730 rightymouse

I wasn't dismayed at all. In fact, I was thrilled. :)


:) {rightymouse}

1736 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:13:56am

re: #1660 KB55

Is it true that a lower velocity projectile will penetrate kevlar? Say an arrow or crossbow bolt? Or is that myth?

It's a myth based on a failure to understand how Kevlar stops projectiles. What will penetrate Kevlar, in a non-rotating projectile. The way Kevlar works isnt that it is so strong that nothing can penetrate it, but a combination of it's tensile strength and what is called it's weave.

In terms of tensile strength Kevlar is about 5 times stronger than steal, but that alone is not what stops the projectile. As the projectile travels it spins (spin stabilization ) when it hits the Kevlar the weave of the Kevlar literally catches the projectile and wraps around the projectile stretching as it does so causing the kinetic imprint to massively expand and dissipating the transfer of kinetic energy to the point that it is no longer lethal.

What I am working on is a process that will dramatically increase the distribution of kinetic force over a significantly larger area and reduce the non-lethal kinetic force that transfers from the projectile.

Basically it's this, 1000 fps applied to a 2 square centimeter area will penetrate over 2 inches of hardened steal or an inch of Kevlar. That same 1000 fps applied to 1 square foot will not penetrate. It is however still a substantial transfer of kinetic energy. What I am working on dramatically increases the area while significantly diminishing the kinetic transfer.

1737 yma o hyd  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:15:25am

re: #1724 quickredfox

Something interesting I've seen in the Welsh Pony foals I know, or at least the line mine came from. As babies they were wild as foxes. We would handle them a lot, but they would stay very cautious, even with the friendliest mothers. Then at some point getting toward a year old, they would turn friendly. I would joke that it must be a cultural memory of when Henry the Eighth picked on ponies. Good survival instincts.

Thats interesting!
They would need to have good survival instincts - the commons above the coal valleys are very bleak indeed - exposed, hardly any shelter, icy winds, snow ...
Well, the SAS does their survival training there - gotta be hard even for ponies!

1738 JimCap  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:15:31am

Wow! Kudos on this. But you know, at this point, I feel this is "comfort food" for us. I sent this to a bunch of friends and family, most didn't respond. But two of them who voted for Bush twice said they "don't care" about any of this or any other socialist leanings of Obama. They're just convinced that he's better and that McCain is going to go after the things they're now dependent on: Social Security and Medicare.

People who were for Bush in the past are now actually admitting their voting for BHO! Two guys at work, who have always voted Republican now make "Palin Jokes" every day. I'm sick of it.

I keep on looking for good news with this election but I'm not finding it. I'd hate to think that we have to depend on "hope" at this point.

1739 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:17:30am

re: #1716 Spiny Norman

Why would Markos want the GOP to "survive" at all?

He was expressing his own personal wish. His quote was...

If the GOP hopes to survive into the future, they'll need more of this. That's certainly the case in California, but that will also be the case nationwide in the midterm. A party that has built its power by demonizing government should understand that advocating for government meddling in people's personal lives is a long-term political loser.
1740 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:18:17am

re: #1732 CyanSnowHawk

He seems like a stand up kinda guy.

1741 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:18:24am

re: #1682 SurferDoc

Thanx, SurferDoc, another good one--now, she may have some choices for comfort--I can always find one for me--has to have an extra-large grip, but I can do that.

1742 haakondahl  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:20:21am

[Doctor Nick voice]:

Hi, Everybody!

1743 alien_mind  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:20:22am

re: #1725 Killian Bundy

McCain is on the TV right now, in Pennsylvania.

/it would be big, huge bonus points if he would at least mention it


it would be huge to get the story out today. they actually had the time to do it too. where is their rapid strike team when you need it?

1744 lawhawk  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:20:37am

re: #1720 windbrother

I was against the bailout and as we're already seeing, the companies that got money were using them to pay for mergers, acquisitions, and compensation for workers - including bonuses. The crisis was never as bad as we've been led to believe, and the bailout never addresses the underlying problem of subprime lending forced upon lenders by Congress who wanted to increase affordable housing (yeah, really affordable when you're facing a $700 billion price tag for this one portion of bailout).

If you really care about the nation, you've got to prioritize. National defense first. Period. The social programs? Haven't worked, and Obama's proposals would add trillions in spending that we don't have. His fellow Democrats propose Socialism Take 401(k), as though that's the cure. It will destroy wealth and capital creation. Not my cup of tea.

States hope for bailouts as well, despite their profligate spending on programs of dubious worth. It's time that people focus on what's crucial and essential. That means they've got to quit with the nonsense like padding state workers compensation packages and increasing their ranks even as populations decline - see NJ for that. It means spending on education and infrastructure rather than pushing into areas like state funded stem cell research (again, the NJ example of what the state attempted to do).

NY's solution is to raise taxes and fees, and may only as a last resort consider some cuts to state and city workforce. Instead of demanding accountability and efficency from government, we've gotten bloated governments offering up failed solutions and waste.

Lowering taxes has been shown to work at reducing the deficits and increasing productivity and tax revenues. What we've seen over the past 20 years is interest groups getting tax breaks and manipulation of the tax code to fund pet projects via tax credits, incentives, etc. That must end.

Obama intends to make that situation even worse.

1745 Aviator  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:24:50am

re: #1658 Dianna

I've always wondered how you are supposed to torniquet someone who was trying to kill you less than a minute ago.

Around the neck.

1746 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:25:05am

re: #1736 doriangrey


Yes, but will my crossbow bolt penetrate if need be> A head shot is very nice shooting, but in rapid fire, non-auto (bolt) center mass is always better. I have both.

1747 Joan  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:25:15am

The end justifies the means. By any means necessary. One man's lie is another man's nuance.
Liars.

1748 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:25:52am

re: #1717 CyanSnowHawk

IIRC, Kevlar fibers are very difficult to break, so a Kevlar weave is very effective against something, like say a bullet, that hits a fairly large cross section of the weave. Something with a fine point, like an arrow or knife tip, just forces its way between the fibers and the sharp edge will then cut the fibers as well.

Kevlar is effective against any projectile that spins and that included arrows. As Diana notes however it's nearly useless against sharp non rotating projectiles like knives swords axes or pikes. The weave used now a days in most Kevlar products is very fine, similar to that seen in silk or synthetic fibers like nylon or rayon.

Originally the fibers were very course like burlap, but then it was discovered that high velocity full metal jacketed rounds would simply push the wider fibered weaves aside and tunnel through the armor. So an adaption was developed with a finer fibered weave to prevent that from happening. And of course also the addition of ceramic alloy plates... ;)

1749 Joan  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:27:48am

re: #1743 alien_mind

it would be huge to get the story out today. they actually had the time to do it too. where is their rapid strike team when you need it?

Sometimes I think the campaign was riddled with moles. Sabotage and betrayal and lack of discipline. Scott McClellan to the tenth power...

1750 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:28:29am

re: #1746 KB55

Yes, but will my crossbow bolt penetrate if need be> A head shot is very nice shooting, but in rapid fire, non-auto (bolt) center mass is always better. I have both.

For most Kevlar if your crossbow bolt has a bladed tip and does not rotate, then yes. But if the bolt rotates for stability then no.

1751 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:28:55am

re: #1748 doriangrey


DG, I don't think my crossbow bolts soins, not much if any. But, it's a pretty close in weapon vs. a rifle or compound bow.

1752 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:32:02am

re: #1750 doriangrey


We caught up to each other--don't mind my spelling--that's what I thought--and is bladed tip--doesn't come out easy. Just wondering if should invest in more of those along with ammo.

1753 windbrother  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:33:41am

re: #1612 realwest

The F22 was flying against F15s that did not have AESAs or upgraded EW capabilities. That's like shooting fish in a barrel . The F15 was designed, in its age [or rather, the Soviets designed against it] to face Su-27s and MiG-29s.

And the opponents of the F22 will be Su-30MKI+ upgrades or follow-on Su-35s. The Chinese have a lot. And Venezuela is acquiring at least 24. You are running red herrings. The F15 has not been heavily upgraded and if it faced a Su-30MKI derivative you can be assured that it would be toast, AIM-9(x) and AMRAAM notwithstanding, because of the radar disparities.

The F22 was / is designed to face the Su-35/37 and follow-on PAK.FI as well as the Chinese J10 and J11 fighters that are now coming online.

And how many F22s are we buying? Not very darn many. And they don't have very good legs either. They are dependent on tankers which quite frankly are old as dirt. The KC-135s require escorts to keep from getting killed and in a hot combat zone would be based hundreds of miles outside. And the fact remains that against China, which is a real quantity-vs-quality situation, they can throw up at least ten Mig-25+ and/or Su-27+ aircraft for every F-22 we could possibly get in there. If we go up against them over Taiwan, do you think that Kadena and Elmendorf won't be targeted? As for Kadena, you only need, say, 50-75 conventional SRBMs with conventional warheads to wreck the place for weeks. Or a few dozen cruise missiles. It wouldn't be very hard for them to hit SK, Kadena / Japan, and the airfields in Taiwan we're pre-positioned in one fell swoop. That is, after all, what they've been training for and stockpiling 100s of ballastic missiles per year to do.

I'd go down the list to address your misconceptions but even one at a time that takes time.

As far as testing our forces - Saakashvilli and everyone else admits openly that we have to pause - our forces are getting so much combat that they're not getting the breaks they need. we are losing a good number of the junior officers that we need to form the backbone of the force 10 years from now because the operational tempo is so damn high and they don't get to spend time with their families.

We're probably going to leave 1/3 of the equipment in Southwest Asia there now over there when we leave - it's just that worn out. We're running on empty, we have no operational reserves anymore because of the surge. What happens if SK goes up because of NK? Or any other trip points in the world? What if, G*d help us all, Iran goes up in flames? We have no reserves left.

1754 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:34:08am

I guess everyone went to the new thread, this is my out for today.

Everyone keep their faith and pray that we prevail.

Probably see you Tuesday nite.

TTFN™

1755 windbrother  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:38:30am

re: #1738 JimCap

Well the truth is somewhere along the lines someone's going to have to "go after" the entitlement programs or else they'll bankrupt us. What and how is another story. The words "means testing" have to become palatable. They are not the devil and will play a large role in at least staving off the day of reckoning. People that do NOT need Social Security / Medicare (e.g. rich retirees) should not get it. FDR did not intend for that to happen and it shouldn't. It is not a national pension for everyone. It is for those that can't afford it. And frankly, I'd rather it happen now rather than later. The sad truth is there won't be a retirement age - no one will stop working now until they can't. I don't think my generation (X or Y) will see retirement. Ever.

1756 haakondahl  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:40:02am

re: #1750 doriangrey

For most Kevlar if your crossbow bolt has a bladed tip and does not rotate, then yes. But if the bolt rotates for stability then no.

Sorry--I'm not buying the rotation thing. Take a rifling of 7:1. The bullet rotates only 1/7th of a turn in travelling its own length (I think). If the entire kevlar layer is only half the length of a bullet, then the bullet only rotates 1/14th on passing completely through the kevlar. That doesn't strike me as enough.
I'm not sure what the rifling ratio actually measures, and I don't have any detailed knowledge of the structure of kevlar. But so far I'm not conveniced of your explanation.

1757 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:40:26am

re: #1752 KB55

We caught up to each other--don't mind my spelling--that's what I thought--and is bladed tip--doesn't come out easy. Just wondering if should invest in more of those along with ammo.

That or follow Diana's example and readjust your targeting priorities to take advantage of the inherit limitations of body armor.

1758 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:43:07am

re: #1753 windbrother

Pseudo-experts like you are always touting "the death of American hegemony" and claiming that US hardware would be "toast" against Soviet/Russian equivalents, but whenever actual combat occurs, the Russian stuff can't even put up much of a fight.

You really are an idiot.

1759 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:45:53am

re: #1755 windbrother

The sad truth is there won't be a retirement age - no one will stop working now until they can't. I don't think my generation (X or Y) will see retirement. Ever.

OK, now I'm convinced. You are a complete moron.

Who says we have ONLY government programs to rely on? My god, why don't you go jump off a bridge and get it over with?

1760 mahatma coat  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:50:47am

gee spiny ,who pissed in your cornflakes ?You seem in rather bad form today

1761 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:54:10am

re: #1757 doriangrey

DG, hoping to stop someone way before a knie comes into it--have a good one with non-slip handle, but was a submariner so no hand-to-hand training. We tend to like to add tonnage from a distance (the 7.7 is 1000m accurate--no guaranty on head shot tho--steel sights) and crossbow is probably good to 30; inside 20, headshot with pistol is just dandy. Gets to knives--I'm in trouble.

1762 KB55  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:57:36am

1761 Cont.

Now, at 4 ft. I'll take sword to his knive--fencing in college and have a nasty broadsword that I am fairly deadly with, or would be put to the test.
Check my website sometime.
Out & out.

1763 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:06:08am

re: #1756 haakondahl

Sorry--I'm not buying the rotation thing. Take a rifling of 7:1. The bullet rotates only 1/7th of a turn in travelling its own length (I think). If the entire kevlar layer is only half the length of a bullet, then the bullet only rotates 1/14th on passing completely through the kevlar. That doesn't strike me as enough.
I'm not sure what the rifling ratio actually measures, and I don't have any detailed knowledge of the structure of kevlar. But so far I'm not conveniced of your explanation.

No, 7:1 means that it takes 7" of bore for the twistes in the bore to make one complete rotation. 1/7th of a turn at 2000 fps equal at rotation velocity of around 34,000 rpm

The equation is ( R = (12/T) * V ) in this case it's R=(12/.7) * 2000 for a rotational velocity of (R) of 34285.7 rpm.

1764 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:07:25am

re: #1760 mahatma coat

gee spiny ,who pissed in your cornflakes ?You seem in rather bad form today

Armchair military and technology "experts" who don't know jack shit, yet try to convince us that we are doomed to second-rate status unless we do what they think we should.

1765 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:17:59am

re: #1761 KB55

DG, hoping to stop someone way before a knie comes into it--have a good one with non-slip handle, but was a submariner so no hand-to-hand training. We tend to like to add tonnage from a distance (the 7.7 is 1000m accurate--no guaranty on head shot tho--steel sights) and crossbow is probably good to 30; inside 20, headshot with pistol is just dandy. Gets to knives--I'm in trouble.

If that is you, then you rock dude... Of course now you have to check out my site... ;p

1766 gettinby  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:37:04am

re: #1572 KB55

I love the 45, but still don't think she could handle it--my point being, I only want to buy one ammo, and haven't seen a 45 weapon small enough for her--I guess that's where I'm coming from--so that's where I'm going with the 9mil or a .40? They can be a smaller, less weigthy gun--like was said above, can't get it on the target, you can't hit it.

You both may like the Walther PPS .40. Great for conceal-carry.

/disclosure: I'm a woman, small hands, a little arthritic, and this gun is deliciously comfortable. I did end up with it in a 9mm though. Just fit me better with my shooting abilities.

1767 bungie  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 10:58:06am

re: #577 jamie

That's just dumb, and cheapens both the fight against real anti-Semitism and the legitimate arguments against Obama's candidacy. He's as anti-Semitic as Joe Lieberman.

Where in the world have you been Jamie? Have you ever listened to the Reverend Wright's sermons? Or Farrakhan's speeches? Obama sat in that audience for 20 years! And exposed his children to that stuff. No one who is not anti-semitic would have done that.

There's more. See whatever the LATimes is holding back. What do you think that is about?

1768 mahatma coat  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 12:08:10pm

re: #764 His Royal Highness

Ive noticed the tone of comments (over several threads ) is fairly agressive tonite ,pre-election tension or what?

1769 mahatma coat  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 12:12:47pm

bizarre...my comment #1764 was meant to be posted 2 threads forward but suddenly the page changed and it ended up on this one

1770 FlakMusic  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 12:56:01pm

re: #1207 windbrother

I'd really like to know how you feel about her and her qualifications.

I feel sanguine. I know that she's more qualified to be President of the United States than Barack Hussein Obama.

It should be noted, however, that Palin is a VP candidate, whereas the inexperienced and unqualified BHO is running for President.

What about the fake Sarkozy phone call yesterday that's now plastered all over? This points to a larger issue of her handlers and aides being competent - and I believe that this is an *extremely* relevant point.

I thought that was funny, but extremely irrelevant. The real Sarkozy, BTW, has called Obama's position on Iran dangerously naive. If elected she'll probably be too busy to answer prank calls.

What about Todd Palin's membership in a political party that supports secession from the United States? How is that not relevant?

Also irrelevant given that Todd Palin isn't now currently a member, and also isn't running for anything. That said, if BHO is elected, such parties will experience a surge in membership and look decidedly more mainstream.

BHO (the candidate), however, has himself been a member of numerous organizations founded or lead by marxists, socialists, and anti-American Black Liberation Theologians.

This actually worries me much, much more that anything the Republican VP nominee's husband has ever done.

And you know what? Sarah Palin is way, way hotter than Joe Biden...

1771 FlakMusic  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:09:24pm

re: #1493 mama winger

The way I understand God to be, He does not approve of folks who would let newborn infants lay on stainless steel tables until they are dead. This would not be His will.

I think I am pretty safe on this one.

Yes. God is on record as calling for the destruction of peoples that sacrifice their offspring to idols. In the case the idol is "choice."

1772 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 9:11:32pm

re: #1771 FlakMusic

Yes. God is on record as calling for the destruction of peoples that sacrifice their offspring to idols. In the case the idol is "choice."

Oh really? God himself is "on record" calling for people to be destroyed?

Did He call your cell phone and tell you that? Can I hear that voicemail?


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