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Open | Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:20:00 pm PDT
The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.
— Niels Bohr
1772 comments
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gmsc Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:22:24pm |
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Wyatt Earp Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:22:26pm |
Here's a profound headline: "Gadaffi Pitches Tent In Kremlin Garden"
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:23:17pm |
re: #2 CyanSnowHawk
To quote Homer: "Bohring!"
Homer will vote for Obama this evening. PUKE! Then again, I never watched the show.
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looking closely Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:23:24pm |
If anyone is interested in an old fashioned paper copy, one of the original "Prairie Fire"s just went up on ebay:
[Link: cgi.ebay.com...]
These are pretty hard to find. I hear the last one on Ebay went for $700!
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capitalist piglet Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:23:43pm |
I noticed reading Ace that The Stranger (the alternative Seattle rag) has taken down the Hell Houses piece - here's an update from Dori Monson. Seems they got "death threats" or some such thing, and became concerned for their safety...oh yeah, and they don't want anything to happen to the people whose addresses they listed, either.
[Link: mynorthwest.com...]
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CyanSnowHawk Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:24:20pm |
re: #4 Wyatt Earp
Here's a profound headline: "Gadaffi Pitches Tent In Kremlin Garden"
Profoundly disturbing, but that's a great picture of Putin's girlfriend.
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gmsc Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:25:10pm |
re: #4 Wyatt Earp
Here's a profound headline: "Gadaffi Pitches Tent In Kremlin Garden"
Speaking of Libya:
Libya pays off $1.5B terror bill
WASHINGTON -- The U.S. state department says Libya has paid $1.5 billion US into a fund to compensate the families of American victims of Libyan-linked terror attacks in the 1980s.
A department spokesman says the payment clears a final hurdle in the full normalization of long-strained ties between Washington and Tripoli. In exchange, the Bush administration will restore the Libyan government's immunity from terror-related lawsuits and dismiss pending compensation cases.
The money will go into a $1.8-billion fund that will pay $1.5 billion in claims for the 1988 Pan Am 103 bombing over Lockerbie, Scotland, and the 1986 bombing of a German disco. Another $300 million will go to Libyan victims of U.S. airstrikes ordered in retaliation for the disco bombing.
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Wyatt Earp Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:25:14pm |
re: #10 CyanSnowHawk
Profoundly disturbing, but that's a great picture of Putin's girlfriend.
Yeah, she's a keeper. Maybe that's why Muammar "pitched a tent?"
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dekalb Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:25:44pm |
I am in Russia now, where I just got back from Mass for All Souls (Nov. 2). The priest brought up how the communists destroyed cemeteries and converted them into parks. This happened all over the former USSR. It makes me think about those who want "change" try to eradicate the past: culture, beliefs, etc.
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CyanSnowHawk Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:26:00pm |
re: #9 capitalist piglet
I noticed reading Ace that The Stranger (the alternative Seattle rag) has taken down the Hell Houses piece - here's an update from Dori Monson. Seems they got "death threats" or some such thing, and became concerned for their safety...oh yeah, and they don't want anything to happen to the people whose addresses they listed, either.
[Link: mynorthwest.com...]
I understand they got real nervous when commenters started posting The Strangers staff addresses in the comments.
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middlecon Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:26:12pm |
re: #8 looking closely
If anyone is interested in an old fashioned paper copy, one of the original "Prairie Fire"s just went up on ebay:
[Link: cgi.ebay.com...]
These are pretty hard to find. I hear the last one on Ebay went for $700!
I'm sure thats quite a return on invesment for the seller but I wouldn't pay $1 for that American communist garbage, sure its worth a read but its the same old retread that the left has been putting out there for 30-40 years. No shocking revelations.
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laZardo Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:26:28pm |
re: #5 pat
LGF itself was intelligently designed, but it keeps evolving over time. [=
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Wyatt Earp Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:26:35pm |
re: #14 CyanSnowHawk
I understand they got real nervous when commenters started posting The Strangers staff addresses in the comments.
What's good for the goose is bad for the gander, I suppose.
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CyanSnowHawk Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:28:22pm |
re: #18 Wyatt Earp
What's good for the goose is bad for the gander, I suppose.
At least one poster did it here. That thread has quite a few deleted comments.
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CyanSnowHawk Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:29:39pm |
11:30PDT. I'm off to watch John on SNL.
Night lizards.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:29:47pm |
re: #18 Wyatt Earp
What's good for the goose is bad for the gander, I suppose.
I prefer the chicken or the pork myself.
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BlueCanuck Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:30:22pm |
Well, looks like this is going to be a quiet thread tonight.
/thinking about going back to help tenderize the trolls.
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joekowalski247 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:30:44pm |
re: #17 laZardo
LGF itself was intelligently designed, but it keeps evolving over time. [=
It was created as a blog, but will evolve into ? a blog?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:31:08pm |
re: #22 BlueCanuck
Well, looks like this is going to be a quiet thread tonight.
/thinking about going back to help tenderize the trolls.
Does A1 sauce go well with gamy buttocks?
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middlecon Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:31:24pm |
I posted this earlier in the busy ID thread: From fivethirtyeight.com, which I'm sure some of you discount since the only point of the site is to digest and number crunch polling but this seems reasonable to me:
This is beginning to look like a five-state election. Those states are Virginia, Colorado, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Nevada. Essentially all relevant electoral scenarios involve some combination of these five states.
If McCain is going to pull the upset, he'll have to get the easier swing states like Florida, Indiana, North Carolina and then move on to the 5 mentioned above.
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BlueCanuck Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:32:46pm |
re: #24 FurryOldGuyJeans
Garlic and sea salt, with a little olive oil. That's for roasting. Or you could make a nice dijon crust.
/darn, making myself hungry now.
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capitalist piglet Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:32:49pm |
re: #14 CyanSnowHawk
I understand they got real nervous when commenters started posting The Strangers staff addresses in the comments.
Well, you know...that would be wrong.
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srb1976 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:32:58pm |
re: #24 FurryOldGuyJeans
Does A1 sauce go well with gamy buttocks?
I would think A1 would help cover some of the gaminess...not positive though
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gmsc Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:33:13pm |
I've been watching The Presidents on the History Channel. Even though each president gets only about 10 minutes, it's fun to watch and learn about the people who've held this office.
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looking closely Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:33:37pm |
re: #16 middlecon
I'm
sure thats quite a return on invesment for the seller but I wouldn't
pay $1 for that American communist garbage, sure its worth a read but
its the same old retread that the left has been putting out there for
30-40 years. No shocking revelations.
I agree, this is more of a financial investment for the seller (and maybe even buyer) than an intellectual one.
Its just a rare book whose price has gone up recently due to historical circumstance.
If you just want to read it, I know where you can get a copy for free.
I just saw this bit from the Ebay ad, and its a little disturbing (to say the least):
"Prairie Fire is written to Communist-minded independent organizers".
Remind you of anyone in particular?
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little blessing Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:33:52pm |
Can any lizards help me out?
Just spoke to my sister. She registered to vote in CO but when she asked for an absentee ballot (she is currently in NY) she was told her name is not on the register.
What if anything can she do?
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laZardo Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:34:07pm |
re: #23 joekowalski247
It was created as a blog, but will evolve into ? a blog?
It will evolve into the GREATEST ZIONIST CONSPIRACY KNOWN TO MAN.
/dun dun duuuunnnn~
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:34:12pm |
re: #27 BlueCanuck
Garlic and sea salt, with a little olive oil. That's for roasting. Or you could make a nice dijon crust.
/darn, making myself hungry now.
I was thinking of doing some grilling myself....nothing like the aroma of open wood-pit BBQing of troll and troll-op gamy buttocks.
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joekowalski247 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:34:55pm |
eye's bluurrig, buttox sore, fingers nummmb..... goodnight
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Thanos Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:35:13pm |
re: #23 joekowalski247
It was created as a blog, but will evolve into ? a blog?
It was created as a blog but has evolved into a community. That community is now one of the greater intelligences on earth when it works together on a single issue.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:35:21pm |
re: #35 joekowalski247
eye's bluurrig, buttox sore, fingers nummmb..... goodnight
PFFFFFFFFT! wimp! ;)
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:35:22pm |
Read what this moron Dennis Dodd wrote at CBSsportsline.com after Texas Tech beat Texas last night. The dolt never said he was kidding...This POS should be fired.
It was a dream Texas Tech thought it could never dream. The school's first victory over a No. 1 was the 500th in its history. The field was stormed twice times before the game was officially over. There's probably not a car that will be safe for the marauding hoardes in Lubbock. Turn it over, light it. Hey, it's your night Texas Tech.
[Link: www.sportsline.com...]
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Pawn of the Oppressor Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:35:26pm |
re: #10 CyanSnowHawk
Profoundly disturbing, but that's a great picture of Putin's girlfriend.
Russians and botanicals. It's some kind of obsession.
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non-lib Nina Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:35:40pm |
Satuday Night Live on Saturday Night Open!
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spynverzyon Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:35:59pm |
A bit of mental exercise for the night owls (with a slight correction from the earlier thread):
PJM: Dear Barack Obama: Your Real Marginal Tax Rate for Joe’s Dreams = 93%
Claremont economist/accounting professor Joshua Rosett runs the numbers and dissects Obama's promise not to raise taxes "one cent" for people making less than $250k $200k $150k $120k $70k.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:36:17pm |
re: #40 Pawn of the Oppressor
Russians and botanicals. It's some kind of obsession.
Not a bad reason to be obsessed, I do say.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:36:47pm |
re: #32 little blessing
Can any lizards help me out?
Just spoke to my sister. She registered to vote in CO but when she asked for an absentee ballot (she is currently in NY) she was told her name is not on the register.
What if anything can she do?
Provisional ballot maybe?
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iceman Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:37:18pm |
if you go to google and enter "the stranger" as a search term
the Hell House article is the second hit and when you click on that it redirects you to the drudge report
here it is try it.
[Link: thestranger.com...]
that is funny
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BlueCanuck Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:38:22pm |
re: #34 FurryOldGuyJeans
I was thinking of doing some grilling myself....nothing like the aroma of open wood-pit BBQing of troll and troll-op gamy buttocks.
Ah, then I recommend that you brine it first.
/helps remove some of the gamieness.
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middlecon Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:38:22pm |
re: #32 little blessing
Can any lizards help me out?
Just spoke to my sister. She registered to vote in CO but when she asked for an absentee ballot (she is currently in NY) she was told her name is not on the register.
What if anything can she do?
I've always heard that most states have 'provisinial ballots' when there is some kind of mixup. I'd look into that. Best of luck.
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Pawn of the Oppressor Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:39:21pm |
re: #43 FurryOldGuyJeans
Not a bad reason to be obsessed, I do say.
No (and good for him, speaking man-to-man), but I see this strange hangup they've developed on Putin's manhood and I have to wonder. Shooting tigers, then adopting tigers, then he picks up a girlfriend half his age... Is this just a subservient press that is proud of their guy, or are they literally trying to lionize him? What's next, an article about how he can drink anyone under the table? Will he go out and fist-fight a bear for fun?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:39:56pm |
re: #47 BlueCanuck
Ah, then I recommend that you brine it first.
/helps remove some of the gamieness.
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Rancher Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:40:20pm |
Homer Probably will be voting obama on tuesday if he didnt already cast his early/absentee vote when ACORN registered him. Still rusler here but rancher answered a question on talk radio other day. Host asked why people were voting early Rancher said "so when i show up to vote im not told i already have."
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gmsc Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:40:35pm |
Statement From The Honorable Carlos Gutiérrez
WASHINGTON – The Honorable Carlos Gutiérrez, the highest ranking Hispanic political figure in the United States, issued the following statement about his choice for President, John McCain. As a Latino immigrant who after arriving in the United States worked hard to achieve the American Dream, Gutiérrez asserts that John McCain, and not Barack Obama, is the President that Latinos need in the White House. John McCain proposes to create opportunities to all Americans and preserve the American Dream. In his message, Gutiérrez also urges Latinos to vote.
To listen to the RNC’s new radio ad, please click here.
Script of “The Honorable Carlos Gutierrez—Vote for McCain”
Hello, this is Carlos Gutiérrez on behalf of John McCain.
Hispanics like me came to this country to achieve the American Dream. I left Cuba at a young age because of the political and economic circumstances in my native land.
In the U.S., I have provided my family a future that would have been impossible in Cuba.
Today, during this difficult economic time, I believe that John McCain is the only candidate who will truly work for positive economic growth for our community.
McCain’s opponent has publicly stated his intention to redistribute our earnings. He wants to control our money and punish success.
We, Hispanics, are hardworking individuals and John McCain, who has been fighting for this country since the age of 17, understands that we, and not the government, should decide what’s best for our hard earned paycheck. McCain will create opportunity for advancement, for our children to better afford higher education and will provide more accessible and higher quality health care than opponent, including those with pre-existing conditions.
So please, let’s make a difference by going to the polls. Put your country first by voting for John McCain. He has always been a true friend of our community. Do it for our children and for the preservation of the American Dream.
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looking closely Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:41:10pm |
re: #49 Pawn of the Oppressor
No
(and good for him, speaking man-to-man), but I see this strange hangup
they've developed on Putin's manhood and I have to wonder. Shooting
tigers, then adopting tigers, then he picks up a girlfriend half his
age... Is this just a subservient press that is proud of their guy, or
are they literally trying to lionize him? What's next, an article about
how he can drink anyone under the table? Will he go out and fist-fight
a bear for fun?
I've noticed that as well.
That sort of thing is a gigantic mark of insecurity.
To the point where you start to wonder if he is gay and/or impotent.
(NTTAWWT).
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Karridine Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:41:31pm |
I wanna hear the Animaniacs sing the presidents, but I'm currently downloading episode ONE of "The Day the Universe Changed"
/dang... decisions, decisions!
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laZardo Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:41:32pm |
re: #30 gmsc
3 minutes in and it's clear that the 1800s are not my strong point when it comes to memorization.
The second half is completely filled save for that guy who came between Wilson and Coolidge...please don't spoil it just yet. (;
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middlecon Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:41:33pm |
re: #39 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Read what this moron Dennis Dodd wrote at CBSsportsline.com after Texas Tech beat Texas last night. The dolt never said he was kidding...This POS should be fired.
It was a dream Texas Tech thought it could never dream. The school's first victory over a No. 1 was the 500th in its history. The field was stormed twice times before the game was officially over. There's probably not a car that will be safe for the marauding hoardes in Lubbock. Turn it over, light it. Hey, it's your night Texas Tech.
[Link: www.sportsline.com...]
I really thought Texas Tech was on the verge of a forfeit if they couldn't control the crowd. If that last kickoff would have been ran back, you could actually put part of the blame on the fans, which would have been crazy.
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Emperor Norton Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:41:43pm |
Before you go to bed tonight, be sure to turn your clocks back to 1980.
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Adina in Judea Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:41:46pm |
re: #32 little blessing
Can any lizards help me out?
Just spoke to my sister. She registered to vote in CO but when she asked for an absentee ballot (she is currently in NY) she was told her name is not on the register.
What if anything can she do?
Colorado has an online list of voter registrations that are accessible if you have the person's birthday.
You could see if she's listed there.
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Nightwatch Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:41:48pm |
Up to me is it?
Glad for the day I am, glad for the rain soft upon my yard, glad for my wife and family.
3 days is it now, Pray and vote. I say to all my lizards of the heart, stand in the voting booth,
take a deep breath, do a GUT CHECK, and vote for the person that will lead AMERICA in the best direction.
God Bless this Greatest Nation!
Nightwatch
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non-lib Nina Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:43:48pm |
re: #59 Emperor Norton
Before you go to bed tonight, be sure to turn your clocks back to 1980.
Wow, then I would be 18 again, Right on.
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gmsc Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:43:54pm |
re: #56 Karridine
I wanna hear the Animaniacs sing the presidents, but I'm currently downloading episode ONE of "The Day the Universe Changed"
/dang... decisions, decisions!
The Animaniacs will wait!
Besides, JamesBurkeFan provides those James Burke documentaries that cover so much more about history. I love the zig-zag style in which he presents history. It makes it sound like it's happening today.
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laZardo Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:44:33pm |
re: #61 Nightwatch
Did that about a month ago. >_> Absentee ftw.
/it was McCain, btw, but I'm registered in California. ):
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little blessing Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:44:55pm |
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gmsc Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:45:41pm |
re: #59 Emperor Norton
Before you go to bed tonight, be sure to turn your clocks back to 1980.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:46:45pm |
re: #49 Pawn of the Oppressor
The obsession of how virile a leader is, especially a Strong Man, is nothing new.
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arizona9 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:47:15pm |
People, if you missed it, you must see Affleck as Olbermann on SNL. I've avoided SNL like a plague since, well, as a rule, generally. But, I made an exception for a right Olberdouche bashing. Oh, and did they deliver. It's cryingly funny. Hilarious. An instant classic. And, how batshit crazy do you have to be before other liberals start ripping you to shreds? A: Olbermann crazy.
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rawmuse Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:48:19pm |
What's up Lizards? Been out all day, missed all the fun.
Looks like I have lots of reading to catch up on.
Any good news?
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non-lib Nina Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:48:30pm |
re: #68 arizona9
People, if you missed it, you must see Affleck as Olbermann on SNL. I've avoided SNL like a plague since, well, as a rule, generally. But, I made an exception for a right Olberdouche bashing. Oh, and did they deliver. It's cryingly funny. Hilarious. An instant classic. And, how batshit crazy do you have to be before other liberals start ripping you to shreds? A: Olbermann crazy.
I am watching SNL right now
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Nightwatch Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:48:42pm |
re: #64 laZardo
Thank-you,
I hope my son who is on his 4th tour in IRAQ gets his vote counted on this most historic election, seems only fair and AMERICAN!
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rawmuse Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:48:58pm |
re: #68 arizona9
I got it on right now.
Maybe I will leave it on.
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Karridine Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:49:19pm |
re: #63 gmsc
I loved Knopfler & Taylor's "Sailing to Philadelphia" for precisely that reason, and the dramatization of the making of the first clock-watch that could accurately help navigators (on wind-driven boats) determine their position on the face of the ocean!
First a wooden clock, very accurate but not accurate enough... then more clocks, then the WRATH of the Lunar-astronomers (Lunatics) and more, always more ...
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:49:59pm |
re: #72 laZardo
34 out of 43.
/I was able to name all 50 states within three minutes though...
You are better than a lot of Americans in both respects.
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Nightwatch Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:50:23pm |
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arizona9 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:50:27pm |
Leave it on, trust me. You'll be tempted to turn the channel with the View skit. But, hang in there, it's worth it.
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gmsc Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:50:39pm |
re: #69 rawmuse
What's up Lizards? Been out all day, missed all the fun.
Looks like I have lots of reading to catch up on.
Any good news?
Libya's pad it's terrorism bill.
McCain is ahead in Missouri, a state that's given its electoral votes to 25 of the past 26 presidential winners.
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non-lib Nina Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:50:45pm |
re: #75 rawmuse
The QVC Skit was funny. I loved the "Ayers Freshener"
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rawmuse Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:51:16pm |
re: #77 Nightwatch
I thought you gave up! You said you weren't going to darken our towels again...
I even dinged you up for that.
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redc1c4 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:51:30pm |
re: #29 srb1976
I would think A1 would help cover some of the gaminess...not positive though
soak them in milk for 24 hours
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:53:03pm |
re: #74 Karridine
I loved Knopfler & Taylor's "Sailing to Philadelphia" for precisely that reason, and the dramatization of the making of the first clock-watch that could accurately help navigators (on wind-driven boats) determine their position on the face of the ocean!
First a wooden clock, very accurate but not accurate enough... then more clocks, then the WRATH of the Lunar-astronomers (Lunatics) and more, always more ...
You might find Longitude interesting, then.
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gmsc Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:53:09pm |
re: #72 laZardo
34 out of 43.
/I was able to name all 50 states within three minutes though...
Not bad!
I worked on those quizzes until I could name all the presidents, states, state capitals, and countries of the world.
I'm a little weak on Tom Hanks movies, however.
;)
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middlecon Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:54:00pm |
So lets talk turkey....what do you think:
A. Obama wins easy
B. Obama wins in a squeaker
C. McCain wins easy
D. McCains wins in a squeaker
E. No idea til Nov. 4
Personally my brain is telling me A but I could see D happening without too many extraordinary things happening.
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gmsc Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:54:26pm |
re: #79 gmsc
Libya's pad it's terrorism bill.
That should be "paid", not "pad". For those who are curious, they didn't pad their bill.
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srb1976 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:54:55pm |
By some quirk of fate it's nearly 2 am and both of the small people are awake.....I must have done something wrong in a former life...I appear to be breeding insomniacs
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:55:01pm |
re: #86 middlecon
So lets talk turkey....what do you think:
A. Obama wins easy
B. Obama wins in a squeaker
C. McCain wins easy
D. McCains wins in a squeaker
E. No idea til Nov. 4Personally my brain is telling me A but I could see D happening without too many extraordinary things happening.
F. Don't care until Nov. 4th.
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gmsc Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:55:19pm |
re: #86 middlecon
So lets talk turkey....what do you think:
A. Obama wins easy
B. Obama wins in a squeaker
C. McCain wins easy
D. McCains wins in a squeaker
E. No idea til Nov. 4Personally my brain is telling me A but I could see D happening without too many extraordinary things happening.
C or D, with McCain taking the surprising states of Iowa, Maine, and New Hampshire.
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arizona9 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:55:21pm |
re: #86 middlecon
To be honest, it doesn't look good. I've already begun trying to mentally prepare myself for President Smug. It's such a revolting thought but it's come to this...
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SurferDoc Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:55:25pm |
re: #86 middlecon
So lets talk turkey....what do you think:
A. Obama wins easy
B. Obama wins in a squeaker
C. McCain wins easy
D. McCains wins in a squeaker
E. No idea til Nov. 4Personally my brain is telling me A but I could see D happening without too many extraordinary things happening.
D and we owe the PUMAS bigtime!
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redc1c4 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:55:32pm |
re: #32 little blessing
Can any lizards help me out?
Just spoke to my sister. She registered to vote in CO but when she asked for an absentee ballot (she is currently in NY) she was told her name is not on the register.
What if anything can she do?
get a plane ticket?
likely she's screwed. even if they were to mail one on monday, she won't get it and be able to return it in time.
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capitalist piglet Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:55:56pm |
re: #68 arizona9
People, if you missed it, you must see Affleck as Olbermann on SNL. I've avoided SNL like a plague since, well, as a rule, generally. But, I made an exception for a right Olberdouche bashing. Oh, and did they deliver. It's cryingly funny. Hilarious. An instant classic. And, how batshit crazy do you have to be before other liberals start ripping you to shreds? A: Olbermann crazy.
Watching it right now - hilarious!
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Nightwatch Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:56:37pm |
re: #81 rawmuse
Crawling back into the fold, bruised and battered, feel like I got to stand tall for the next 3 days
and be clam, upright and non flame throwing, straight shooting only. All comers welcome.
Thanks for the nod :)
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pink freud Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:56:43pm |
re: #88 srb1976
By some quirk of fate it's nearly 2 am and both of the small people are awake.....I must have done something wrong in a former life...I appear to be breeding insomniacs
They're just practicing to be teenagers.
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laZardo Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:56:47pm |
re: #76 FurryOldGuyJeans
It won't matter if Obama gets elected though. So far I can name 146 out of 195 countries in the WORLD.
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Gus 802 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:56:48pm |
re: #86 middlecon
G. The time change puts the new Generation-Y voters in further disarray of their biological clock that the chances that this new, improved and much touted voting block fails to vote on Tuesday again.
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non-lib Nina Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:56:59pm |
re: #86 middlecon
So lets talk turkey....what do you think:
A. Obama wins easy
B. Obama wins in a squeaker
C. McCain wins easy
D. McCains wins in a squeaker
E. No idea til Nov. 4Personally my brain is telling me A but I could see D happening without too many extraordinary things happening.
D. It is looking good for McCain
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rawmuse Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:57:38pm |
Miss Precious Perfect. Gotta remember that for my next sock puppet.
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laZardo Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:58:31pm |
re: #71 Nightwatch
Quick check though, I know McCain went to Iraq frequently...but I'm not sure how many times already.
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srb1976 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:58:52pm |
re: #96 pink freud
They're just practicing to be teenagers.
Ack! they're only 1 and 4....I was supposed to have a few years to get ready for that! = )
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gmsc Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:59:23pm |
re: #97 laZardo
So far I can name 146 out of 195 countries in the WORLD.
I really slow down when it comes to the "Stans". I can name them all, but I still have to think about them.
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BlueCanuck Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:59:29pm |
re: #102 srb1976
Ack! they're only 1 and 4....I was supposed to have a few years to get ready for that! = )
You'll never be ready.
/my mom keeps forgetting that I am an adult now. :)
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:59:32pm |
re: #95 Nightwatch
Crawling back into the fold, bruised and battered, feel like I got to stand tall for the next 3 days
and be clam, upright and non flame throwing, straight shooting only. All comers welcome.Thanks for the nod :)
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Nightwatch Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:00:47pm |
re: #101 laZardo
Got me on that one, sure whatever the trips (s) was more than the ONE?
You tell me..
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pink freud Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:01:12pm |
re: #102 srb1976
Ack! they're only 1 and 4....I was supposed to have a few years to get ready for that! = )
START NOW.
(lol!)
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LeePro Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:01:36pm |
re: #82 redc1c4
soak them in milk for 24 hours
Really?
Do you have to... you know... hold them under?
/
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Adina in Judea Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:01:37pm |
re: #68 arizona9
People, if you missed it, you must see Affleck as Olbermann on SNL. I've avoided SNL like a plague since, well, as a rule, generally. But, I made an exception for a right Olberdouche bashing. Oh, and did they deliver. It's cryingly funny. Hilarious. An instant classic. And, how batshit crazy do you have to be before other liberals start ripping you to shreds? A: Olbermann crazy.
"Cryingly funny" is a good way to put it!
It was wonderful to see Olbermann get clobbered like that!
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laZardo Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:01:38pm |
re: #106 Nightwatch
Definitely. I think it's 6 or 7, exact number escapes me.
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srb1976 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:01:57pm |
re: #104 BlueCanuck
You'll never be ready.
/my mom keeps forgetting that I am an adult now. :)
that i can believe...I wasn't ready for 1 and 4. Her Royal Stoutness is heading back to sleep....but little man is having an issue or 5
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non-lib Nina Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:02:46pm |
Afleck as Olbemann- Damn funny! Spot on. So intense and crazy, he even breathes heavy too. Absolutely funny as h*ll.
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BlueCanuck Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:02:57pm |
re: #108 LeePro
Really?
Do you have to... you know... hold them under?
/
It helps, but it's oh so satisfying. :)
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looking closely Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:03:14pm |
re: #86 middlecon
So lets talk turkey....what do you think:
A. Obama wins easy
B. Obama wins in a squeaker
C. McCain wins easy
D. McCains wins in a squeaker
E. No idea til Nov. 4Personally my brain is telling me A but I could see D happening without too many extraordinary things happening.
Its D.
Second choice (and I hate to admit it) would be B.
Either way, it will be close.
Despite the polls, this isn't going to be an Obama blowout. . .NO WAY.
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Emperor Norton Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:03:20pm |
C. McCain wins easy. This year the presidential election falls on a November 4th for the first time since 1980. November 4, 1980 was a glorious election night.
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gmsc Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:03:38pm |
re: #102 srb1976
Ack! they're only 1 and 4....I was supposed to have a few years to get ready for that! = )
There's a new ad out where a cute little 8 year old comes into the living room where her dad is watching TV. She asks, "Daddy, can I borrow the car?"
The dad is confused as to why his 8 year old daughter is asking to borrow the car, and he looks at her, then the car keys, then back at his daughter. Curious as to what's going on, he finally says, "Sure . . ."
She bends down, out of frame, to pick up the keys, and when she comes back up, she's a 16-year-old young woman (she's still in similar clothes), who says, "Thanks, daddy!"
The dad gets a worried look on his face.
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SurferDoc Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:03:41pm |
re: #114 non-lib Nina
Afleck as Olbemann- Damn funny! Spot on. So intense and crazy, he even breathes heavy too. Absolutely funny as h*ll.
Affleck takes a lot of abuse but the guy can act more than a little.
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pink freud Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:04:24pm |
re: #116 looking closely
Its D.
Second choice (and I hate to admit it) would be B.
Either way, it will be close.
Despite the polls, this isn't going to be an Obama blowout. . .NO WAY.
I have to go with C. It's what my gut has told me for months.
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little blessing Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:05:09pm |
re: #93 redc1c4
Well in that case, there goes a McCain vote.
Worst thing is that she is not showing up on CO register either. Yet, she is adamant that she enrolled.
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redc1c4 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:05:16pm |
re: #104 BlueCanuck
You'll never be ready.
/my mom keeps forgetting that I am an adult now. :)
she prolly reads all your posts here.... who can blame her?
/white smoke
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laZardo Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:05:17pm |
re: #103 gmsc
Time's up, 159/195. I can't believe I missed Singapore. =_=
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gmsc Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:05:18pm |
re: #117 Emperor Norton
C. McCain wins easy. This year the presidential election falls on a November 4th for the first time since 1980. November 4, 1980 was a glorious election night.
I liked election night 1984 better. You could go to bed earlier. The only shock I got the next morning was that Mondale had actually received some electoral votes.
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rawmuse Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:05:45pm |
Oh, dear, this is not so funny. The fake Sarkozy call to Palin.
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BlueCanuck Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:05:57pm |
re: #122 redc1c4
she prolly reads all your posts here.... who can blame her?
/white smoke
*pouty pout pout* *sulk*
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non-lib Nina Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:06:08pm |
re: #119 SurferDoc
Affleck takes a lot of abuse but the guy can act more than a little.
I enjoyed that more than most of the skits I have seen in the last couple years. I totally agree with capitalist piglet, instant classic!
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capitalistbaby Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:07:17pm |
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gmsc Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:07:31pm |
re: #119 SurferDoc
Affleck takes a lot of abuse but the guy can act more than a little.
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arizona9 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:07:44pm |
re: #114 non-lib Nina
I know! Affleck perfectly captured Olbermann's stroke-like, red faced hysterics. My stomach hurt from laughter. And you just know it kills Olbermann to be eviscerated by a fellow liberal. I'm dying to see it again and didn't record it, damn it. Someone had it on youtube for two seconds before NBC yanked it. I'll have to wait till NBC posts it.
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capitalist piglet Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:09:20pm |
re: #127 non-lib Nina
I enjoyed that more than most of the skits I have seen in the last couple years. I totally agree with capitalist piglet, instant classic!
Ahahahaha...reaction on DU is mixed, but the ones who don't like it: "Keith is not a nut."
ROTFLMAO
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redc1c4 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:10:02pm |
re: #108 LeePro
Really?
Do you have to... you know... hold them under?
/
weight'em down with a rock or two....
i'd normally say "brain them" but that's impossible. %-)
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LeePro Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:11:17pm |
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gmsc Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:11:22pm |
re: #119 SurferDoc
Affleck takes a lot of abuse but the guy can act more than a little.
I always like to bet people when they refer to him as an "Academy-Award-Winning Actor" that he's not. Of course, they point out that he got an Oscar for Good Will Hunting, in which he acted.
My response? His academy award was for writing the screenplay. He's an "Academy-Award-Winning Writer", not actor.
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Adina in Judea Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:11:47pm |
re: #131 arizona9
I loved it when he was going through Olbermann's hysterics over an apartment and then said that he, his mother, and Miss Precious Perfect the cat would have to find another place to live. :)
Also, I loved all the dramatic camera changes (even to looking into a camera behind him.)
The fact that this was done during a high ratings show (because of McCain) is wonderful!
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Karridine Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:11:57pm |
re: #83 FurryOldGuyJeans
THATs what I was thinking of, too lazy to page through my books of CDs to find it! Thanks, GaiJin! :D
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middlecon Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:12:51pm |
This one is kind of shocking:
No murders in Miami for a month
I live in a city with a much better reputation (Indianapolis) but there are at least 8-10 murders per month here.
Good for Miami.
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gmsc Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:14:59pm |
re: #86 middlecon
So lets talk turkey....what do you think:
A. Obama wins easy
B. Obama wins in a squeaker
C. McCain wins easy
D. McCains wins in a squeaker
E. No idea til Nov. 4Personally my brain is telling me A but I could see D happening without too many extraordinary things happening.
C or D, with Gary Trudeau winding up looking stupid . . . er.
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SurferDoc Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:15:32pm |
re: #136 gmsc
I always like to bet people when they refer to him as an "Academy-Award-Winning Actor" that he's not. Of course, they point out that he got an Oscar for Good Will Hunting, in which he acted.
My response? His academy award was for writing the screenplay. He's an "Academy-Award-Winning Writer", not actor.
I admire actors to seem to bring their whole game to the job every time. He is one of those.
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arizona9 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:15:54pm |
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Adina in Judea Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:16:01pm |
Speaking of city murder rates...
Chicago had 62 murders in July 2008 alone.
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non-lib Nina Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:16:43pm |
re: #141 gmsc
C or D, with Gary Trudeau winding up looking stupid . . . er.
I can't stand Doonesbury. Horrible 'toon.
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srb1976 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:17:51pm |
Ok...the boy has just declared "No more bed, no more sleepin' all done"...and here I thought he just wasn't feeling good
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Nightwatch Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:18:15pm |
re: #110 laZardo
Iraq is just a part of the whole, granted the MSM simply ignores the monumental victory that our troops have secured for a country that has endured 30 YEARS of a incomplete personality disorder with mother issues dictator who fed his own people through wood chippers to make.........A POINT? ... A POINT?.. ABOUT W H A T? Simply that he needed to be dead should have been good enough for U.S. That we in this greatest nation have had to be assaulted by the likes of the code pinkers (TAMPON PLEASE) and all their ilk, over the past 4 years, and now we are presented with the "O"? Please tell me, this isn't a WOODY ALLEN plot line.
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middlecon Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:20:14pm |
Doonesbury...the original 'leftist media' lol
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pink freud Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:20:19pm |
re: #146 srb1976
Ok...the boy has just declared "No more bed, no more sleepin' all done"...and here I thought he just wasn't feeling good
Yep, you should probably go ahead and start preparing for those teen years now. :-)
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rawmuse Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:20:28pm |
Not so long ago in San Francisco we had 3 murders in one day, a father and 2 sons. It happened very near my house. I heard the shots. The guy that did it was MS13. ICE has been all over now, rounding up the MS13, which of course, has brought out protests by the illegals telling ICE to go home. nice.
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gmsc Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:20:48pm |
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capitalistbaby Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:21:03pm |
re: #134 little blessing
Well in that case, there goes a McCain vote.
Worst thing is that she is not showing up on CO register either. Yet, she is adamant that she enrolled.
Has she called the elections center in her district and yelled at them yet. I did that, they screwed up on mine and when I called they fixed it. Maybe she was one of the people they purged off the registration list? She should call in any case.
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redc1c4 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:21:50pm |
re: #146 srb1976
Ok...the boy has just declared "No more bed, no more sleepin' all done"...and here I thought he just wasn't feeling good
children's benadryl..........
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LeePro Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:22:00pm |
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srb1976 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:22:31pm |
re: #150 pink freud
Yep, you should probably go ahead and start preparing for those teen years now. :-)
Yeah...he's acting like he doesn't feel so hot, but at 4 he's not real clear about what the problem is.....no fever and a lot of (mostly fake) "ouchies"
He'll pass out in a second I think
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Karridine Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:22:53pm |
re: #149 middlecon
Doonesbury...the original 'leftist media' lol
THIS will be our equivalent of "Dewey WINS!"
/sweet. Trudeau reeks...
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non-lib Nina Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:23:28pm |
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Gus 802 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:23:32pm |
re: #151 rawmuse
Mara. 13. The letter "m" being the 13th letter. Someone just before was inquiring about the meaning of a "13" tattoo.
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LeePro Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:23:36pm |
re: #133 redc1c4
weight'em down with a rock or two....
i'd normally say "brain them" but that's impossible. %-)
ROTFLMAO ! ! !
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looking closely Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:23:49pm |
re: #136 gmsc
I
always like to bet people when they refer to him as an
"Academy-Award-Winning Actor" that he's not. Of course, they point out
that he got an Oscar for Good Will Hunting, in which he acted.My response? His academy award was for writing the screenplay. He's an "Academy-Award-Winning Writer", not actor.
Actually, I think the writing award is really the more meaningful one, though in this particular case, there were pretty significant differences between the script that Damon and Affleck wrote and what ultimately appeared on screen with Good Will Hunting.
I can't say I'm a big fan, but Affleck is still an actor with an Academy Award, so is not wrong to say he's an Academy Award winning actor, even if said award wasn't for acting.
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gmsc Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:24:30pm |
re: #158 laZardo
But...
*puts on cool sunglasses*
...is it good for business?
Now, you have to make sure you start that the right way . . .
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arizona9 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:24:46pm |
Also, I loved all the dramatic camera changes (even to looking into a camera behind him.)
That part had me howling! It's funny cause it's true. For people who have never seen Olbermann's show, they must think SNL was exaggerating. But they weren't and they got all the insane details right-the dramatic head turns, the blood vessel exploding red faced ranting. The only thing missing was the orange skin. I'm dying to see it again. Come on SNL, hurry up and post it.
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little blessing Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:24:54pm |
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Gus 802 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:26:18pm |
re: #166 laZardo
Yeah, I simplified it. State has some good PDFs on them but can't find the link. Evil people.
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rawmuse Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:26:46pm |
re: #160 Gus 802
The kid that was the shooter was 20 years old and got 3 men with head shots, 3 shots in less than 5 seconds, by my hearing. Left a mom all by herself, just like that. The saddest thing.
I have had my fill of that gang. I want a piece of them, for real.
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srb1976 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:26:58pm |
re: #165 little blessing
NO!
Don't drug the children.
/They'll turn out like red!
It's ok, I'm not gonna drug him. No great motives here, just not up for the WWE style wrestling match that would be involved
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BlueCanuck Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:27:03pm |
re: #165 little blessing
NO!
Don't drug the children.
/They'll turn out like red!
You say that's like a bad thing.
/prefer thousands of children growing up like red than Zero™
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suboptimal Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:28:06pm |
Don't know if it's true, but it sure sounds good.
My favorite part talks about a self-immolating Keith Olberman.
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little blessing Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:28:50pm |
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LeePro Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:29:06pm |
re: #141 gmsc
Heh.
My father was an editorial cartoonist at the time of the Dewey—>Truman laugh-fest!
There was actually a paper somewhere — NYT? — that really did that. Had their front page all printed up for the Dewey win!
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hermeneutics Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:29:16pm |
Good Evening. My sleeping pills are not working. Who's awake?
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traderjoe9 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:29:21pm |
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laZardo Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:30:31pm |
re: #152 gmsc
Seeing what happens at the end and what it linked to means it could as well be threatening.
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crazy cat lady Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:30:37pm |
Hello all. After lurking for 5 years and being registered for 4, my insomnia has finally overcome my fear of posting....
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Gus 802 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:30:58pm |
re: #170 rawmuse
Terrible. That one sounds like a trained assassin. I know ICE has been cutting down their numbers including nationwide gang sweeps.
Gang wannabes are bad enough.
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little blessing Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:31:20pm |
re: #171 srb1976
I could relate.
Mine are 5 3/4, 3 3/4 and 17 months.
What I would do:
Kiss all ouchies.
Apply 1 bandaid to the worst.
Give a drink of water and tell him to lie down and give the ouchies a rest.
He should be out in 15, unless he napped too long today or something real is bothering him.
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hermeneutics Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:31:23pm |
re: #179 crazy cat lady
Hello all. After lurking for 5 years and being registered for 4, my insomnia has finally overcome my fear of posting....
Well, CCL, it is about time! Tell us a wee bit about yourself. What state?
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LeePro Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:31:44pm |
re: #148 Palandine
Good Lord. Doonesbury's still in print? ;)
Still?
How 'bout more than ever!
*spit*
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BlueCanuck Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:31:44pm |
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Adina in Judea Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:32:00pm |
re: #173 suboptimal
Don't know if it's true, but it sure sounds good.
My favorite part talks about a self-immolating Keith Olberman.
This guy says to tape MSNBC so that people can watch them later if McCain wins.
I've been planning on this all week!
If/when McCain wins, I want to watch it all unfold after the fact on MSNBC. :)
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arizona9 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:32:27pm |
Oh for god's sake, now Zogby has Obama up by 5.7. Zogby is useless.
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SurferDoc Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:32:30pm |
re: #179 crazy cat lady
Hello all. After lurking for 5 years and being registered for 4, my insomnia has finally overcome my fear of posting....
Hey, jump on in! ...and welcome!
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shanec99 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:32:43pm |
re: #40 Pawn of the Oppressor
Russians and botanicals. It's some kind of obsession.
I think it is a lovely picture
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laZardo Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:32:51pm |
re: #181 arizona9
Dammit, if only Starbucks Philippines would give me a free coffee for that...
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rawmuse Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:33:00pm |
re: #179 crazy cat lady
Hello all. After lurking for 5 years and being registered for 4, my insomnia has finally overcome my fear of posting....
OK, I'll bite. What took you so long?
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middlecon Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:33:18pm |
re: #173 suboptimal
Don't know if it's true, but it sure sounds good.
My favorite part talks about a self-immolating Keith Olberman.
Actually in 2004, there were always whispers that NJ and California might be closer than some thought...didn't quite turn out. Michigan should be pretty close.
This call probably isn't completely crazy but I wouldn't count on McCain turning any blue state red, New Hampshire is the best bet.
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non-lib Nina Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:34:06pm |
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arizona9 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:34:40pm |
Hello all. After lurking for 5 years and being registered for 4, my insomnia has finally overcome my fear of posting....
Hello, cat lady.
Man, all I can think of is Olbermann's kitty..lol
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srb1976 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:34:51pm |
re: #182 little blessing
I could relate.
Mine are 5 3/4, 3 3/4 and 17 months.
What I would do:
Kiss all ouchies.
Apply 1 bandaid to the worst.
Give a drink of water and tell him to lie down and give the ouchies a rest.He should be out in 15, unless he napped too long today or something real is bothering him.
Since he found the Spiderman band-aids we have instituted the "No blood - no Band-aid" rule.... The way he's acting I think it was nightmares....so I'm kinda just letting him chill and reassure himself that it's still all good. He'll be out in a short I think
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traderjoe9 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:35:02pm |
re: #185 BlueCanuck
Toronto, Canada, gets that number in a bad year.
/want to relocate?
Too many liberals in Canada. Sorry.
Besides, San Jose contends with a large number of illegal immigrants. What does Toronto put up with?
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Gus 802 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:35:26pm |
re: #192 middlecon
Odd you know. Considering that most people in New Jersey hate Corzine. Taxes, Garden State Parkway, his ex-girlfriend (union organizer) shenanigans and then some.
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crazy cat lady Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:35:42pm |
I live in a college town in Wisconsin. It's Obama territory but we have some good conservatives too. I've been having a lively internet debate with some of my moonbat relatives in Chicagoe and boy, it's been a bumpy week!
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gmsc Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:35:52pm |
re: #178 laZardo
Seeing what happens at the end and what it linked to means it could as well be threatening.
It's meant for democrats to send to other democrats, so that they're scared into voting (it can be customized with anyone's name). Up until that last sectio, though, you could just as easily send it to a fellow conservative and make them out to be a hero!
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stuiec Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:36:24pm |
re: #91 arizona9
I think that Obama is not nearly far enough ahead in the polls to be confident of a win. I think he has a multiple Bradley effect working against him: not just because of race, but because of the social pressure of his "way cool" media buzz. Lots of people who won't vote for him nevertheless want to be seen as supporting him -- too embarrassing for them to be seen supporting McCain/Palin or simply not supporting the "deluxe brand."
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BlueCanuck Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:36:27pm |
re: #179 crazy cat lady
Hello all. After lurking for 5 years and being registered for 4, my insomnia has finally overcome my fear of posting....
Well as you know we can be a rather unruly lot, welcome. From out of the shadows and into the light.
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LeePro Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:36:35pm |
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capitalist piglet Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:36:47pm |
re: #187 arizona9
Oh for god's sake, now Zogby has Obama up by 5.7. Zogby is useless.
I thought weekend (Saturday/Sunday - not Friday) polling was notoriously inaccurate. When things shift on the weekend, it usually doesn't worry me.
I've also read many times that Obama needs to be up at least ten points to feel fairly secure. He's also spending money in places you wouldn't expect.
I have a feeling we're going to hear the Silent Majority roar on Tuesday. I could, of course, be wrong...but that is my prayer, and I think it could happen.
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hermeneutics Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:36:52pm |
re: #199 crazy cat lady
I live in a college town in Wisconsin. It's Obama territory but we have some good conservatives too. I've been having a lively internet debate with some of my moonbat relatives in Chicagoe and boy, it's been a bumpy week!
Good for you. And how many/type of cats?
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crazy cat lady Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:37:28pm |
re: #191 rawmuse
I'm a chicken! I really don't know..... a lot of times by the time I want to say something, someone's already said it.
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BlueCanuck Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:37:29pm |
re: #197 traderjoe9
Too many liberals in Canada. Sorry.
Besides, San Jose contends with a large number of illegal immigrants. What does Toronto put up with?
Snow and bad traffic?
/well snow in the winter and bad traffic at rush hour. :)
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gmsc Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:37:49pm |
re: #203 LeePro
WHOA! ! !
Are you aware that that was a MoveOn.org ad?
Yep - that's why I thought "Gary Trudeau" would be all the funnier to put in the video!
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SurferDoc Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:38:08pm |
re: #206 crazy cat lady
I'm a chicken! I really don't know..... a lot of times by the time I want to say something, someone's already said it.
That never stops anyone else... ;)
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MrSnuggles Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:38:30pm |
re: #187 arizona9
Oh for god's sake, now Zogby has Obama up by 5.7. Zogby is useless.
He got whacked by all the other pollsters and "corrected" the poll to make it more inline with the rest of them. Their main strategy is still to suppress republican votes, we can only hope it actually results in suppressing the dem vote by making them think its already over. Hopefully those young and dumb college kids will opt for a premature victory party instead of voting.
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hermeneutics Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:38:42pm |
Zogby is nuts. He shifts 12 points in one day -- no way. Halloween and weekend effect combined to give him an extremely low percentage of families with kids.
He was the most unreliable pollster in 2004.
Ignore it.
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shanec99 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:38:51pm |
re: #192 middlecon
Would hate to have anything happen to dumb Keith, geez... wouldnt it add to global stench?... after all, his hot air is the main cause of global warming.
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BlueCanuck Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:38:53pm |
re: #209 SurferDoc
That never stops anyone else... ;)
Yeah just scroll down and count the GMTA's sometime.
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crazy cat lady Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:39:39pm |
re: #205 hermeneutics
4 cats. 2 grays (one a recent stray we took in) one tortoiseshell and one calico. I tell my husband if he dies first and I get dementia, I'll be one of those old ladies that hoards cats....
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little blessing Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:39:46pm |
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non-lib Nina Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:39:55pm |
Just like every year the pollsters are gonna go down in flames.
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capitalist piglet Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:40:10pm |
re: #199 crazy cat lady
I live in a college town in Wisconsin. It's Obama territory but we have some good conservatives too. I've been having a lively internet debate with some of my moonbat relatives in Chicagoe and boy, it's been a bumpy week!
Welcome, cat lady! I'm from Wisconsin originally - nice to meet you.
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suboptimal Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:40:30pm |
re: #192 middlecon
Actually in 2004, there were always whispers that NJ and California might be closer than some thought...didn't quite turn out. Michigan should be pretty close.
This call probably isn't completely crazy but I wouldn't count on McCain turning any blue state red, New Hampshire is the best bet.
Even it's complete BS, the idea of MSNBC falling apart on the air is very appealing.
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Gus 802 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:40:50pm |
We have cat care tips too. For instance. You can use Obama/Biden signs as a litter box place holder or a kitty liter underlayment.
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crazy cat lady Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:40:55pm |
re: #217 capitalist piglet
You too. It feels very strange to be posting. I've never done this before.
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hermeneutics Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:41:04pm |
re: #214 crazy cat lady
4 cats. 2 grays (one a recent stray we took in) one tortoiseshell and one calico. I tell my husband if he dies first and I get dementia, I'll be one of those old ladies that hoards cats....
I've got three cats, all strays: grey long hair that weighs 22 pounds, little grey short hair, little calico.
Right now, they're my solace.
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srb1976 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:41:20pm |
re: #215 little blessing
Parent know best.
I like the "no blood-no bandaid" rule.
it's a hold-over from when I was a kid, I was a fan of band-aids. After going through a whole box in a week, Dad put his foot down
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crazy cat lady Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:41:39pm |
re: #219 Gus 802
I like that idea! There are plenty of Obama signs to be had here.
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Gus 802 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:42:16pm |
re: #223 crazy cat lady
In that case you can open up a cat rescue. ;-)
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capitalist piglet Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:42:47pm |
re: #220 crazy cat lady
You too. It feels very strange to be posting. I've never done this before.
Well, don't be shy! We could use more cheeseheads. (Are you a Packer fan? I'm rabid. R-A-B-I-D.)
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crazy cat lady Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:42:51pm |
re: #221 hermeneutics
I know what you mean. They really are great companions (most of the time)
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laZardo Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:42:53pm |
Brb, gonna help my dad crowbar some termite-infested sideboard.
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traderjoe9 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:43:01pm |
re: #207 BlueCanuck
Snow and bad traffic?
/well snow in the winter and bad traffic at rush hour. :)
Exactly. We have sunshine year-round (except today). Another reason to move to San Jose. Lowest crime rate in the country, and the best weather on the continent! Also have the Sharks and Giants nearby...woohoo!
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hermeneutics Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:43:13pm |
Have you ever heard of a crazy old MAN hoarding cats? Or, is it a girl thing.
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suboptimal Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:43:33pm |
re: #186 Adina in Judea
This guy says to tape MSNBC so that people can watch them later if McCain wins.
I've been planning on this all week!
If/when McCain wins, I want to watch it all unfold after the fact on MSNBC. :)
I'll only tune in if it's recommended by some fellow lizards. Otherwise, I'll be mocking the people on "The Biggest Loser", who should start going under my weight this week. Yeah, I know, but optimal likes it.
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shanec99 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:43:57pm |
re: #223 crazy cat lady
I like that idea! There are plenty of Obama signs to be had here.
Why would you want something promoting an Obama administration in your house?
I would rather the cat poop all over the floor than have such an Obamination defile my home.
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crazy cat lady Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:44:04pm |
re: #225 capitalist piglet
Absolutely! And I grew up during the bad years. My son has no idea what it's like. He only remembers the Favre years.
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Karridine Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:44:26pm |
re: #193 non-lib Nina
Oh, YES! Its coming down, Nina!
California = Obama 44, McCain 43, rest Undecided!
Think of it! McCain winning California! Bwahahaha!
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BlueCanuck Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:44:35pm |
re: #229 hermeneutics
Have you ever heard of a crazy old MAN hoarding cats? Or, is it a girl thing.
Crazy old men only hoard things and junk. Don't ask me why.
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capitalistbaby Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:44:40pm |
How come everyone is awake and doing things like crowbaring termite infested sideboard so late in the evening?
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hermeneutics Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:45:04pm |
re: #233 Karridine
Oh, YES! Its coming down, Nina!
California = Obama 44, McCain 43, rest Undecided!
Think of it! McCain winning California! Bwahahaha!
Karridine! It is so good to see your name.
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Gus 802 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:45:53pm |
re: #229 hermeneutics
My father and brother take their cat ownership pretty seriously. My dad would complain at first about taking in cats but he ended up being "more guilty" of taking in the strays.
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LeePro Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:45:54pm |
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gmsc Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:45:55pm |
re: #233 Karridine
Oh, YES! Its coming down, Nina!
California = Obama 44, McCain 43, rest Undecided!
Think of it! McCain winning California! Bwahahaha!
I've pondered over that possibility. If it actually happened, that would be one of the great electoral shocks in history!
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hermeneutics Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:46:05pm |
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shanec99 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:46:13pm |
re: #235 capitalistbaby
How come everyone is awake and doing things like crowbaring termite infested sideboard so late in the evening?
Because if we were not we would wondering if the nation has gone mad.
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gmsc Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:46:37pm |
re: #235 capitalistbaby
How come everyone is awake and doing things like crowbaring termite infested sideboard so late in the evening?
All the termites are asleep - they won't know what hit them!
;)
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gmsc Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:46:53pm |
re: #242 shanec99
Because if we were not we would wondering if the nation has gone mad.
That works, too.
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suboptimal Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:47:24pm |
re: #234 BlueCanuck
Crazy old men only hoard things and junk. Don't ask me why.
It's not junk, these were fine examples of bleeding edge technology in their day.
Not that I'm feeling defensive or anything.
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middlecon Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:47:30pm |
In order for McCain to win California he would need like half a million more votes than Bush got in 04. Most polls have Obama up by 20 points. Its not happenin' lol
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non-lib Nina Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:47:31pm |
re: #233 Karridine
Oh, YES! Its coming down, Nina!
That would be awesome. I was born in Cali and my moonbat relatives live in the Bay area. If Zero loses, wow that would be the best Christmas present ever. Not that I would gloat or anything. ;)
California = Obama 44, McCain 43, rest Undecided!
Think of it! McCain winning California! Bwahahaha!
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gmsc Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:47:47pm |
re: #241 hermeneutics
What the heck is that?
PS3 is a handheld game system. COD is a piece of clothing that covers a man's genitals . . .
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little blessing Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:47:59pm |
re: #235 capitalistbaby
Not all of us are in the US of A!
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hermeneutics Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:48:23pm |
Karridine -- McCain won't take CA, but he may take PA and that's good enough.
RCP map is a joke. Mac easily takes the South including Virginia (though VA is close.) If he takes PA, he easily takes OH.
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suboptimal Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:48:24pm |
re: #235 capitalistbaby
How come everyone is awake and doing things like crowbaring termite infested sideboard so late in the evening?
Think "worldwide audience".
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Karridine Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:48:39pm |
re: #236 hermeneutics
Well, howja dew, Hermy! You feeling better? Fever down a bit?
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gmsc Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:48:40pm |
re: #246 middlecon
In order for McCain to win California he would need like half a million more votes than Bush got in 04. Most polls have Obama up by 20 points. Its not happenin' lol
Nobody said it would happen. We're having fun thinking about it. That's all.
:)
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crazy cat lady Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:48:48pm |
It's nice to have someplace to come to discuss these things. Living where I do, it's easy to get discouraged and think there is no hope. I saw some comments earlier today from people who are volunteering for McCain and it really gave me a boost.
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non-lib Nina Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:49:11pm |
re: #253 gmsc
Nobody said it would happen. We're having fun thinking about it. That's all.
:)
I like to call it California Dreamin'
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capitalistbaby Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:49:36pm |
re: #249 little blessing
Ah, forgot about the out of country-ers
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traderjoe9 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:49:50pm |
re: #241 hermeneutics
What the heck is that?
PS3 is a game system. COD (Call of Duty) is perhaps the greatest game ever created.
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laZardo Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:50:08pm |
re: #233 Karridine
If that happened, I'll actually be happy inside for once knowing my absentee ballot didn't go to waste. BWAHAHAHA.
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rawmuse Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:50:11pm |
re: #214 crazy cat lady
OK I have a cat care question. I have one seven year old female cat and she lets me trim her claws with a trimmer. But I neglected my duties for a bit, and I just looked at her right "thumb" claw today, and it has grown in to a circle back in on itself, like an ingrown toe nail would. I tried to trim it and the trimmer won't get a purchase on it. Do you think I need to bring her to a vet for that? She does not seem to be limping or anything.
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BlueCanuck Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:50:23pm |
re: #256 capitalistbaby
Ah, forgot about the out of country-ers
Yeah, Lazardo is in the Philipines where its still daylight.
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looking closely Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:50:51pm |
re: #248 gmsc
PS3 is a handheld game system. COD is a piece of clothing that covers a man's genitals . . .
Its "Call of Duty" a popular first-person combat simulator game that I believe can be played on line.
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srb1976 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:51:15pm |
re: #254 crazy cat lady
It's just the opposite where I live, everyone I know, work with, meet in passing or come in contact with is solid for McCain. It looks possible (even likely) that the Dems will lose our districts seat in the house too, but take a peak outside of alabama, and the whole world has gone nuts I think
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gmsc Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:51:21pm |
re: #254 crazy cat lady
It's nice to have someplace to come to discuss these things. Living where I do, it's easy to get discouraged and think there is no hope. I saw some comments earlier today from people who are volunteering for McCain and it really gave me a boost.
We're glad we could be of support!
I highly recommend reading Hillbuzz, who won't let you get discouraged about McCain's chances.
Remember, if 0bama is so far ahead, ask yourself, "why isn't he farther ahead?"
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middlecon Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:51:36pm |
I think Virginia really is the key....very reliably red BUT it doesn't take a huge leap of faith to go blue, they did elect Webb after all. Bush won by about 250,000 votes in 04.
I think it will be 'too close to call' for most of the night, then once it gets called either way that is the way the whole election goes.
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laZardo Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:51:45pm |
re: #257 traderjoe9
PIYF. The PSP is the handheld, the PS3 is the console. As for the greatest game ever created IMO...
/back to crowbarring...
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gmsc Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:51:48pm |
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traderjoe9 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:52:21pm |
re: #261 looking closely
Its "Call of Duty" a popular first-person combat simulator game that I believe can be played on line.
Yessir. Its online feature is what makes it so great.
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looking closely Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:52:40pm |
re: #248 gmsc
PS3 is a handheld game system. COD is a piece of clothing that covers a man's genitals . . .
And the Playstation 3 isn't handheld (yet) by the way.
Actually, its quite heavy.
Its still probably the best way to get your mitts on a Blu-ray player, if you've got a 1080 tv and the interest for high def movies.
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crazy cat lady Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:53:04pm |
re: #259 rawmuse
I'm not an expert, but I'd probably have a vet take a look, or ask Mama Winger :):) She knows more than I do! (I really have been lurking a long time)
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BlueCanuck Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:53:31pm |
Ooooh I like the opening lines to this documentary series.
/multi-tasking yet again
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LeePro Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:54:19pm |
re: #215 little blessing
Parent know best.
I like the "no blood-no bandaid" rule.
My biggest rule was "no blood, no fever — you're going to school!"
There was a day when that didn't work so well, though. 2nd grader son puked all over desk when his teacher didn't believe him either!
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crazy cat lady Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:54:50pm |
re: #263 gmsc
I have been looking at those Hillary sites, thanks mostly to links I've seen here. I've also recommended them to friends. I've just got a horrible pessimistic streak.
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rawmuse Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:55:19pm |
re: #272 Gus 802
Hey. They have a scratching post?
Yes, several. She has a whole climbing menagerie.
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traderjoe9 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:55:30pm |
re: #269 looking closely
And the Playstation 3 isn't handheld (yet) by the way.
Actually, its quite heavy.
Its still probably the best way to get your mitts on a Blu-ray player, if you've got a 1080 tv and the interest for high def movies.
I think its almost pointless to buy an actual Blu-ray player. Many of them cost more than the PS3, and the PS3 is considered by many to be the best one out there.
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srb1976 Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:56:19pm |
Ok, have to do something parental about the Little Man.....have a good night everyone.
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capitalist piglet Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:56:45pm |
re: #232 crazy cat lady
Absolutely! And I grew up during the bad years. My son has no idea what it's like. He only remembers the Favre years.
Okay, so you're a bit younger than me! I actually remember the Lombardi years (though I was little). It's pretty weird to think about young Packer fans not really knowing any QB but Favre - did your son take Favre's ultimate departure pretty hard? I sure did, but I guess it's going to be all right after all.
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suboptimal Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:56:46pm |
re: #269 looking closely
And the Playstation 3 isn't handheld (yet) by the way.
Actually, its quite heavy.
Its still probably the best way to get your mitts on a Blu-ray player, if you've got a 1080 tv and the interest for high def movies.
How about a PS3 laptop at 720p?
Not quite a handheld, but getting there.
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non-lib Nina Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:57:50pm |
re: #274 crazy cat lady
I have been looking at those Hillary sites, thanks mostly to links I've seen here. I've also recommended them to friends. I've just got a horrible pessimistic streak.
I don't like Hill at all, but I go to hillbuzz and the hill forum and I do have to say that they are positive that BHO is going down on Tuesday. Internal polls?
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capitalist piglet Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:57:59pm |
re: #274 crazy cat lady
I have been looking at those Hillary sites, thanks mostly to links I've seen here. I've also recommended them to friends. I've just got a horrible pessimistic streak.
Must come from following the post-Lombardi/pre-Holmgren Packers. ; )
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gmsc Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:58:23pm |
re: #261 looking closely
Its "Call of Duty" a popular first-person combat simulator game that I believe can be played on line.
Speaking of video games, does anybody remember "Ghost Recon"? It was in the news not too long ago because, even though the game was released in 2001, the plot involved Russian hardliners invading Georgia in August 2008.
If you'll remember, Russia actually did wind up invading Georgia in August 2008.
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capitalistbaby Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:58:27pm |
I hope you've all seen this Finally, a danceoff, just how this thing needs to be settled.
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Opilio Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:58:40pm |
Did everybody/anybody notice that the timestamps on the comments "fell back" an hour between #105 and #106?
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non-lib Nina Sat, Nov 1, 2008 11:59:53pm |
re: #284 Opilio
Did everybody/anybody notice that the timestamps on the comments "fell back" an hour between #105 and #106?
Very observant, I would not have noticed. :)
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gmsc Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:00:08am |
re: #271 BlueCanuck
Ooooh I like the opening lines to this documentary series.
/multi-tasking yet again
It's been a long time favorite with me!
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traderjoe9 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:00:12am |
re: #265 laZardo
PIYF. The PSP is the handheld, the PS3 is the console. As for the greatest game ever created IMO...
/back to crowbarring...
PIYF?
The best single-player campaign ever is GTA. The best multiplayer game ever is COD4. I can live with that. :-)
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suboptimal Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:00:35am |
re: #284 Opilio
Did everybody/anybody notice that the timestamps on the comments "fell back" an hour between #105 and #106?
Probably just the server self-adjusting for the end of Daylight Savings Time.
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hermeneutics Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:00:35am |
re: #252 Karridine
Well, howja dew, Hermy! You feeling better? Fever down a bit?
Yes, it is under 99, finally. And at night!
Outside the air is cool, Kar, so the door to my bedroom is open. I'm listening to coyotes howl and crickets rub their legs. My clean sheets smell faintly like bleach. And it is dark. So dark. From my window I see the crescent moon against a smattering of stars.
And my sleeping pills are starting to work. Nice.
So in spite of Zogby's outlier poll, and the slight possibility that Obama wins, the world is beautiful.
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crazy cat lady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:00:35am |
Yep, no Lombardi years for me. I was a newborn during the Icebowl. My son handled the retirement pretty well, but he's 21. I'm sure the Pack is going to have a few bumpy moments, but it is time to move forward I guess.
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Gus 802 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:00:43am |
re: #275 rawmuse
Odd. Usually they should keep their own nail trimmed with those. Is she lethargic or approaching that? Might have to coax her into scratching more perhaps.
If you can afford to have her checked do. You know cats, if they have a problem spot it might have tendency to get worse with age including infections.
Is the post wood or carpet? Wood is better for keeping the nails down.
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capitalist piglet Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:01:29am |
re: #280 non-lib Nina
I don't like Hill at all, but I go to hillbuzz and the hill forum and I do have to say that they are positive that BHO is going down on Tuesday. Internal polls?
I've been visiting those sites, too, just to read - they are never-say-die people, and there are days when I really need to see that. I was never a fan of Hillary Clinton, but a) she WAS robbed - her supporters in Texas have something on YouTube, and they were so shaken up by what Obama supporters did in that state, it was painful (and frightening, actually) to watch, and b) I wish she were the alternative to us losing, instead of Obama - he honestly scares the hell out of me.
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gmsc Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:01:40am |
re: #284 Opilio
Did everybody/anybody notice that the timestamps on the comments "fell back" an hour between #105 and #106?
It depends on your time zone. Once you get to 2 o'clock, it will jump back to 1 o'clock.
Although, I just now noticed my LGF clock jumping ahead 1 hour, from 12 to 1.
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redc1c4 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:02:02am |
i figured out why CCL didn't post all those years: computer problems
/white smoke!
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looking closely Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:02:24am |
re: #276 traderjoe9
I
think its almost pointless to buy an actual Blu-ray player. Many of
them cost more than the PS3, and the PS3 is considered by many to be
the best one out there.
I can see getting one if you have physical space constraints.
The PS3 unit is bulky, and it won't fit onto the physical space of the usual single stack rack component.
Plus it runs very hot and the cooling fans make it a noisy.
If you want a "normal" remote control (instead of the video game controller) you have to purchase it separately, and since the PS3 remote uses Bluetooth, you can't replace it with an ordinary 'Universal' type remote.
But apart from those limitations, you could look at buying a PS3 as getting a Blu-Ray with a seriously kick-ass gaming system thrown in for free.
Another big boon for the PS3 is that it has its own hard drive, and can play ordinary .mp3 and .avi files. It also has USB ports and can even play movies directly from a USB thumbdrive.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:03:45am |
re: #287 traderjoe9
Preview is YOUR friend. It's the 2nd-person PIMF.
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hermeneutics Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:03:48am |
I can't fight it. Good night, Lizards.
And it was good to meet you Crazy Cat Lady. Please post more often!
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Gus 802 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:03:52am |
re: #292 capitalist piglet
Honestly, yes. I would prefer Hillary Clinton. I still refuse the premature eulogy but if given the choice, yes.
Until then McCain all the way.
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looking closely Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:04:09am |
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crazy cat lady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:04:31am |
re: #281 capitalist piglet
Could be. Man, my dad used to get so mad during those games! He was usually a pretty laid back guy but he used to swear and yell at the TV every Sunday afternoon.
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Opilio Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:05:12am |
re: #253 gmsc
Nobody said it would happen. We're having fun thinking about it. That's all.
:)
middlecon's been somewhat of a buzzkill around here lately.
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LeePro Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:05:25am |
OMG! Here it is 2 o'clock... again.
G'nite, Lizardzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:05:50am |
re: #303 LeePro
OMG! Here it is 2 o'clock... again.
G'nite, Lizardzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
Night {LeePro} weet dreams.
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capitalist piglet Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:05:54am |
re: #290 crazy cat lady
Yep, no Lombardi years for me. I was a newborn during the Icebowl. My son handled the retirement pretty well, but he's 21. I'm sure the Pack is going to have a few bumpy moments, but it is time to move forward I guess.
You sneaked in on a technicality! You can be a Lombardi Brat (rhymes with cat, not cot : ) like me.
I'm sort of thinking tomorrow might be one of those "bumpy moments"...ah well. We'll see.
'Good night, cat lady - 'night Lizard Army. Think good thoughts for Tuesday, and pray if you're so inclined...
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crazy cat lady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:06:02am |
re: #297 hermeneutics
Nice to meet you too. I think one reason I delayed posting so long is that I'm afraid I'll spend way too much time here chatting. I have a feeling that may happen :)
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redc1c4 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:06:08am |
re: #233 Karridine
Oh, YES! Its coming down, Nina!
California = Obama 44, McCain 43, rest Undecided!
Think of it! McCain winning California! Bwahahaha!
my Move.on emails are becoming increasingly frantic......
i just promise to help, taking up a space, and then don't go. %-)
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rawmuse Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:06:08am |
re: #291 Gus 802
It is carpet, with some wood and some sisal.
I'll bring her in. Even if she panics (which she does go in to full scale cat panic mode) it will be good for her.
OK, SNL, the Sad Grandpa bit, no so good.
The Palin prank call, not good either.
On that, the Advil is kicking in, and I am on out for the night.
Nightwatch, GOD BLESS you and your son serving in Iraq, I take back all the hateful thoughts I ever let in to my head. I hope you all live long and prosper.
Later, kids, and thanks for the tips.
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Clemente Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:06:16am |
re: #259 rawmuse
....bring her to a vet for that?
rm, I'm not a cat person, but always treat those you care for to the best - you'll sleep better...
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gmsc Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:06:16am |
re: #303 LeePro
OMG! Here it is 2 o'clock... again.
G'nite, Lizardzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
Good night!
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JustMyView Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:06:53am |
re: #264 middlecon
I think Virginia really is the key....very reliably red BUT it doesn't take a huge leap of faith to go blue, they did elect Webb after all. Bush won by about 250,000 votes in 04.
I think it will be 'too close to call' for most of the night, then once it gets called either way that is the way the whole election goes.
Actually, Virginia is purple. The NoVa suburbs outside DC are increasingly blue, and they are growing. In addition to electing Jim Webb, Virginians have elected Democrats in the last two gubernatorial elections, and they are poised to elect another Democratic senator. Jim Warner, one of those governors, is running 20-30 points ahead of his Republican opponent. It's a complex state w/ a substantial African-American population, many veterans and active duty military, moderates from both parties in the NoVa suburbs, and social conservatives in other parts of the state.
I think it's quite likely that Obama will take the state.
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middlecon Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:06:56am |
re: #302 Opilio
middlecon's been somewhat of a buzzkill around here lately.
I just call em like I see 'em. I have alot of hope that McCain can keep Bush's states and win, I don't think its that far-fetched at all.
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non-lib Nina Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:07:00am |
re: #292 capitalist piglet
I've been visiting those sites, too, just to read - they are never-say-die people, and there are days when I really need to see that. I was never a fan of Hillary Clinton, but a) she WAS robbed - her supporters in Texas have something on YouTube, and they were so shaken up by what Obama supporters did in that state, it was painful (and frightening, actually) to watch, and b) I wish she were the alternative to us losing, instead of Obama - he honestly scares the hell out of me.
Me too. This is my place of solace. My immediate circle of friends and family are mostly conservative, but unlike myself are not as in tune to what is really going on with BHO. They really don't have a clue and no matter what or how much I tell them I don't think they will grasp the seriousness of what would happen where BHO to become POTUS.
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gmsc Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:07:40am |
re: #307 redc1c4
my Move.on emails are becoming increasingly frantic......
i just promise to help, taking up a space, and then don't go. %-)
The fact that they made that "one vote" video shows their fear, but I'm sure we'd all love to hear any other evidence of their increasingly frantic nature, if you'd care to share.
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middlecon Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:08:22am |
re: #312 JustMyView
Actually, Virginia is purple. The NoVa suburbs outside DC are increasingly blue, and they are growing. In addition to electing Jim Webb, Virginians have elected Democrats in the last two gubernatorial elections, and they are poised to elect another Democratic senator. Jim Warner, one of those governors, is running 20-30 points ahead of his Republican opponent. It's a complex state w/ a substantial African-American population, many veterans and active duty military, moderates from both parties in the NoVa suburbs, and social conservatives in other parts of the state.
I think it's quite likely that Obama will take the state.
shocking ;)
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crazy cat lady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:09:05am |
re: #314 non-lib Nina
I'm having that same problem. I keep telling people this is not just a matter of 4 years of a bad president, this is permanent and irreversible damage to this country if Obama gets elected. Even some of my conservative friends glaze over when I talk politics.....
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Opilio Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:09:13am |
re: #285 non-lib Nina
Very observant, I would not have noticed. :)
The main reason I noticed is that when I first logged on, the main page said the last comment on this thread had been posted 1 hour ago. And that doesn't happen on the top post at LGF - ever.
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redc1c4 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:11:20am |
re: #260 BlueCanuck
Yeah, Lazardo is in the Philipines where its still daylight.
maybe monday night he can tell us who one the election, since it'll be Tuesday there.....
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traderjoe9 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:11:22am |
re: #296 laZardo
Ahh. I never thought much of the GTA multiplayer features though. I only really enjoyed stealing helicopters and gunnin people down ;-).
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:11:30am |
re: #321 little blessing
Well, there is 2 of us!
Clue bats to the fore. Red, prepare the green smoke. We shall not let this blog go undefended.
/firing up BBQ just in case
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jptmd Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:11:31am |
Does anyone here believe that the polls are wrong and this race is much tighter once you figure in youth, inexperience, socialism and the "Wilder/Dinkins/Bradley effect"?
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arizona9 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:12:12am |
He got whacked by all the other pollsters and "corrected" the poll to make it more inline with the rest of them. Their main strategy is still to suppress republican votes, we can only hope it actually results in suppressing the dem vote by making them think its already over. Hopefully those young and dumb college kids will opt for a premature victory party instead of voting.
God, I hope so. I really hope so. Let's hope they're all still hung over from the Halloween parties. Sleep in kids, sleep in.
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Gus 802 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:12:31am |
re: #312 JustMyView
Northern Virginia is voting for Obama because that means more jobs and increased pay for most of Fed workers that live there. Joe McCain was actually right. Northern Virginia is pretty much a lot like Brazil -- the movie.
/Some call it Commie.
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little blessing Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:12:41am |
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middlecon Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:14:35am |
re: #325 jptmd
Does anyone here believe that the polls are wrong and this race is much tighter once you figure in youth, inexperience, socialism and the "Wilder/Dinkins/Bradley effect"?
Depends on how 'wrong' you think 'wrong' is. I think state by state there is definitely a chance that McCain can hold on to all of Bush's states. I don't think there is any 04 Bush state that is completely out of the question for McCain, New Mexico would probably be the one but even if he lost that and kept Iowa, he's still wins.
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traderjoe9 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:14:36am |
Anybody read "A Bold Fresh Piece of Humanity"?
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Picayune Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:14:58am |
Indeed! Ya so right! Well, try this, your responsive post to me on a previous thread on The Stranger:
re: #330 CyanSnowHawk
What part of
* Posts that contain phone numbers, street addresses, email addresses or other personal information will also be deleted...
do you not understand?
Seems ole Picayune busted the Strangers into hiding with a dose of their own medicine, just after he posted on LGF (now deleted, thanks to CSH) the addresses of the the staff of the Stranger, under the banner: Turn about is fair play, they can dish it out but they can't take it - pseudo fascist.
And now here's CSH here giving backhanded credit to the one he attacked for "breaking the LGF rules" and putting those Fascist on the run in the first place.
Well, CSH, since my email to CJ and my "here's honor" acknowledgment to you on that thread - you be officially now - BUSTED!
Back in the hole, mole, go elsewhere to drive traffic to your website. The Stranger was insincere, malicious, dubious, and in the end, chicken shit. At least they claimed to be pranksters.
What exactly, differentiates you from them now? Dems have an affinity with hypocrisy more than all others.
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Karridine Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:15:04am |
re: #289 hermeneutics
With that, I bid you fond adieu, and into the arms of Morpheus, sweet Hermy!
Continue yr wellness, m'kay?
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jptmd Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:15:11am |
#327 if No does go blue, do you think the west and south can still deliver VA?
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crazy cat lady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:17:41am |
Well its been a nice way to get aquainted, on a nice, quiet thread. Nice to "meet" you all, although I feel like I know some of you already. Now that I've gotten up the courage to join the fray, I'm sure we'll be chatting again.... time to join the cats, who serve as great footwarmers :)
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non-lib Nina Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:19:07am |
re: #335 crazy cat lady
Well its been a nice way to get aquainted, on a nice, quiet thread. Nice to "meet" you all, although I feel like I know some of you already. Now that I've gotten up the courage to join the fray, I'm sure we'll be chatting again.... time to join the cats, who serve as great footwarmers :)
Night cat lady. My cats are waiting for my on my side of the bed, like usual.
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jptmd Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:19:20am |
Re 329
I notice as opposed to the 2004 polls, that the margins are so wide or close depending on the pollster. I am praying that is because alot of ppl are just playing with the pollsters when they call. For example IBD has 22% conservatives say they will vote Obama. While only 3 percent liberal will vote McCain. Do you really think 22% conservatives are jumping to BO?
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arizona9 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:19:21am |
Does anyone here believe that the polls are wrong and this race is much tighter
Some people have offered some reason to be hopeful, but I don't know. I want to be positive, I really do but....it doesn't look good. Oh in response to what someone posted earlier about Bradley effect...I skimmed a piece by a former Bradley staffer who denied there was a Bradley effect-they said that the results were right in line with their polling. Don't know how reliable it is...
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:19:26am |
re: #335 crazy cat lady
Have a good night with the bed and foot warmers. Don't be a stranger and drop in again.
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talon_262 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:20:34am |
re: #232 crazy cat lady
Absolutely! And I grew up during the bad years. My son has no idea what it's like. He only remembers the Favre years.
Granted, the Farve years were a lot of years....just sayin.
;-P
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wtc394 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:21:31am |
re: #338 arizona9well if it's not reliable, no link to the statement then stop repeating it. Either keep your gloom/doom to yourself or enter something constructive into the conversation.
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Picayune Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:22:00am |
re: #14 CyanSnowHawk
Overnight Open Thread
Open | Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:20:00 pm PDT
The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.
Really!
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JustMyView Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:22:30am |
re: #329 middlecon
Depends on how 'wrong' you think 'wrong' is. I think state by state there is definitely a chance that McCain can hold on to all of Bush's states. I don't think there is any 04 Bush state that is completely out of the question for McCain, New Mexico would probably be the one but even if he lost that and kept Iowa, he's still wins.
All three of the poll aggregator sites (i.e., RCP, Pollster, 538) have Iowa up by about 12 points. The polls could be wrong, but they would have to be wrong by quite a bit for McCain to hold onto that state. The margin is narrower in some of the western states. Of the three Southwestern swing states Nevada is closest, then Colorado, then New Mexico.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:23:24am |
re: #344 JustMyView
And when was the last time polls were accurate?
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jptmd Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:23:50am |
#338 Bradley was running in a more "progressive" state. Traditional democratic leads have been exaggerated when compared to final numbers. We all remember how Kerry was wining in a "landslide" by exit polls in 2004
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Karridine Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:24:39am |
re: #338 arizona9
Which 'Bradley staff' are you talking about? The Bradley effect was isolated and confirmed circa 1978... And its existence today can pretty much only be confirmed or denied AFTER Nov 4...
The Bradley Effect = potential voters not wanting to be PERCEIVED AS or CALLED 'racist', therefore saying one thing to pollsters and doing otherwise in the privacy of the voting booth.
/with all due respect...
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looking closely Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:25:46am |
re: #338 arizona9
Some
people have offered some reason to be hopeful, but I don't know. I want
to be positive, I really do but....it doesn't look good. Oh in response
to what someone posted earlier about Bradley effect...I skimmed a piece
by a former Bradley staffer who denied there was a Bradley effect-they
said that the results were right in line with their polling. Don't know
how reliable it is...
That doesn't discount the Bradley effect, though.
Internal (candidate) polling may be different than external (ie commercial) polling.
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non-lib Nina Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:25:47am |
re: #345 BlueCanuck
And when was the last time polls were accurate?
That's because the pollsters are liberal leaning and want to keep the conservatives at home , to give up if the gap is too wide.
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JustMyView Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:26:39am |
re: #345 BlueCanuck
And when was the last time polls were accurate?
They were pretty accurate in the 2004 presidential election.
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looking closely Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:26:56am |
re: #346 jptmd
#338 Bradley was running in a more "progressive" state. Traditional
democratic leads have been exaggerated when compared to final numbers.
We all remember how Kerry was wining in a "landslide" by exit polls in
2004
Exit polls (though also inaccurate) are another matter entirely.
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Karridine Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:27:40am |
Amazing how some people come here and rehearse McCain-Failure, avowing all the while that its just the way it is... reality... he just can't win there...
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redc1c4 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:28:04am |
re: #351 JustMyView
They were pretty accurate in the 2004 presidential election.
and that's why John Kerry is President today......
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:28:51am |
re: #351 JustMyView
I do believe that people were screaming bloody murder that Bush won, and the election was stolen, AGAIN. Seemed that the screamers were going by what the polls were supposedly telling them.
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looking closely Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:29:53am |
re: #351 JustMyView
They were pretty accurate in the 2004 presidential election.
This is true.
But this cycle in particular, there is more reason to think the polling may be skewed than the last one (EG "Bradley effect", etc).
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Picayune Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:30:37am |
re: #338 arizona9
Very reliable! The early voting made the difference in the Bradley election in CA, as many professional pollsters had claimed for oh, about twenty years now. But, hey, if your trying to inject race into the political race while claiming you have not done so, well, there you go!
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gmsc Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:31:07am |
re: #354 Karridine
Amazing how some people come here and rehearse McCain-Failure, avowing all the while that its just the way it is... reality... he just can't win there...
It's part of the straegy. They're having trouble getting more people to vote for 0bama, so they feel the need to depress McCain voters.
That's OK - the harder they try these stunts, the more I help support McCain!
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gmsc Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:31:59am |
Good night, all! I'm going to take advantage of my extra hour of sleep!
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middlecon Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:32:55am |
re: #344 JustMyView
All three of the poll aggregator sites (i.e., RCP, Pollster, 538) have Iowa up by about 12 points. The polls could be wrong, but they would have to be wrong by quite a bit for McCain to hold onto that state. The margin is narrower in some of the western states. Of the three Southwestern swing states Nevada is closest, then Colorado, then New Mexico.
Iowa and New Mexico are the 2 Bush states that are most in jeopardy. Pennsylvania would be the way around for McCain, very tough test but thats why they vote the votes lol
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jptmd Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:33:00am |
I just feel people are scared in this age to say they are not voting Democrat, because no matter whaat the reason, they do not want to be thought of as being racist. The idea that this country would vote a man with a total of 143 days in the senate as president is scary. I own a small business and no matter how I Do the math, when I hit "=" it says your scr---d
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JustMyView Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:33:12am |
re: #355 redc1c4
and that's why John Kerry is President today......
Did you look at the graph at the link I posted? It shows that Bush had a modest lead throughout October. His winning margin was about 2.5%. These are polls that were taken before the election, not exit polls.
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redc1c4 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:33:45am |
Bravo Charlie range control this is red forward:
request you check the stats on the Alpha Zulu niner element and confirm smoke status, over.
/Scouts Out!
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wtc394 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:34:28am |
one of the PUMA sites had a message on it, unknown if it was legit from an obama staffer or not but the content was worth noting. 1 ploy of his campaign was to have many many staffers on at all hrs. crawling through blog after blog, leaving messages like
Some people have offered some reason to be hopeful, but I don't know. I want to be positive, I really do but....it doesn't look good
and then explaining why McCain won't win. So I recommend the gaze for any message containing that message. Gonna see if I can link it.
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JustMyView Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:34:42am |
re: #363 middlecon
Iowa and New Mexico are the 2 Bush states that are most in jeopardy.
Yes, that's what I said. Those are the two Bush states where Obama's margin is highest.
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nightwatch Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:36:01am |
re: #338 Arizona9
Wink;) now ya like to choose a wine with that main course?
OOPS sorry wrong post......damn..."where did I leave that rake?"
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Gus 802 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:36:36am |
I think JMV basically wants to re: #365 JustMyView
Are you auditioning for muse of the room? Sure your prediction might come true but so can any prognostication. It's not like your taking a risk with your opinion, I can read the same opinion from ABC or MSNBC.
That's what makes you so boring.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:36:40am |
re: #365 JustMyView
The polls back then may have been a touch more honest. Now we have ancedotal stories of people lying to pollsters, people refusing to answer, polls heavily weighted to the left, etc., etc.. So why should I give credence to anything you say that's based upon polls?
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srb1976 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:38:02am |
no rest for the wicked I guess....what'd I miss?
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Karridine Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:38:27am |
re: #364 jptmd
I just feel people are scared in this age to say they are not voting Democrat, because no matter whaat the reason, they do not want to be thought of as being racist. The idea that this country would vote a man with a total of 143 days PRESENT, AND SORT OF 'in the senate' as president is scary. I own a small business and no matter how I Do the math, when I hit "=" it says your scr---d
Your math machine doesn't quite tally correctly, JP... with Obama, AMERICA is doomed, transformed, killed as the experiment in freedom of choice, individual responsibility and rational checks-and-balances that its been up to this point!
Little Olde Ladye calls it 'an existential threat'... Obama threatens the EXISTENCE of America, and that ain't no hype, Pal...
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JustMyView Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:38:39am |
re: #371 BlueCanuck
The polls back then may have been a touch more honest. Now we have ancedotal stories of people lying to pollsters, people refusing to answer, polls heavily weighted to the left, etc., etc.. So why should I give credence to anything you say that's based upon polls?
Your choice! Just remember what your position was when we see the results.
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jptmd Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:39:11am |
Just curious...does anyone think McCain can pull off the Big three?
I think oh and fl, but know I feel PA might be in reach as well. Thanks to Murtha being in a tight race with William Russell. I think the undecides will break for McCAin in the end. "Better the devil you know...." Besides if you are undecided at this point maybe change scares you.
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Sylvester_T_Cat Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:39:12am |
re: #121 little blessing
Well in that case, there goes a McCain vote.
Worst thing is that she is not showing up on CO register either. Yet, she is adamant that she enrolled.
Maybe not ... can she do one of those same-day registrations, that some states seem to have, and vote right there in New York?
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Gus 802 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:39:59am |
re: #374 JustMyView
Your choice! Just remember what your position was when we see the results.
Pure posturing.
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nightwatch Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:40:14am |
WAIT A MINUTE!
WHAT HAVE YOU GOT AGAINST POLES?! THE LAST POPE WAS A POLE!
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:40:47am |
re: #374 JustMyView
And I hope to never hear from you here again. Now please tell me, why do you even bother coming here moaning and bellyaching and getting smacked around? Masochist much?
/there's places that satisfy that need and are more honest then you.
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wtc394 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:40:59am |
Your text to link...
take it for what you will, I believe the writer has a handle on what is going on, maybe not an exact description of what is goin on behind the scenes.
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Karridine Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:41:12am |
re: #371 BlueCanuck
Yesterday, we read online of reports from a pollster (not an official 'report', just one poll-taker's individual experience) that nearly 80% were 'Refuse to respond'...
Which, in itself, skews any poll based on those results... skews terribly, Blue!
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:42:06am |
The fact that Obama and McCain are like POLAR opposites really have me wondering how the hell there could be anyone who's undecided.
It's like "Oh, I JUST DONT KNOW whether I'm a gonna vote for a socialist who hangs around with people who hate America or someone who has given his blood, sweat, and tears for this country for 40 years."
Really, people? Should the undecideds know who the hell they are AS PEOPLE by now?
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redc1c4 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:42:48am |
late, tired, and *my* benadryl is kicking in......
enjoy tonight's fruitcup/s and we'll catch ya on the flip flop
hasta y'all................
L8r!
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redc1c4 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:44:18am |
re: #383 TheMatrix31
The fact that Obama and McCain are like POLAR opposites really have me wondering how the hell there could be anyone who's undecided.
It's like "Oh, I JUST DONT KNOW whether I'm a gonna vote for a socialist who hangs around with people who hate America or someone who has given his blood, sweat, and tears for this country for 40 years."
Really, people? Should the undecideds know who the hell they are AS PEOPLE by now?
too busy wondering who was going to be voted off the island.....
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jptmd Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:44:32am |
#373 Karridine
Little Olde Ladye calls it 'an existential threat'... Obama threatens the EXISTENCE of America, and that ain't no hype, Pal...
AMEN!
Nothing would please me more then watching the entire MSNBC staff have a major mental breakdown on TV.
Please pass the Haldol to Chris Matthews
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:44:51am |
re: #384 redc1c4
Night red, just leave your case of smoke in reach. But you know all the players by now anyway.
/keep your powder dry.
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nightwatch Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:45:35am |
re: #383 TheMatrix31
YES they do know, they just will not tell the polls.
WAIT FOR IT, WAIT FOR IT........
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middlecon Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:45:56am |
re: #383 TheMatrix31
The fact that Obama and McCain are like POLAR opposites really have me wondering how the hell there could be anyone who's undecided.
It's like "Oh, I JUST DONT KNOW whether I'm a gonna vote for a socialist who hangs around with people who hate America or someone who has given his blood, sweat, and tears for this country for 40 years."
Devils advocate: Are they really that different they are both going to balloon the defecit by trillions of dollars.
I'm COMPLETELY against raising taxes but if what is Obama goign to raise taxes overall 3%? 5%?
Most people aren't political junkies, or afraid of either candidate.
Both have about 50-55% favorability ratings, so all things being equal they are equally well liked.
Really, people? Should the undecideds know who the hell they are AS PEOPLE by now?
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Karridine Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:45:57am |
re: #383 TheMatrix31
Well, there's a LINK above (#173) from earlier today, reporting that the Undecideds are breaking 4:1 for McCain...
I'm taking THAT to the bank, Matrix...
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middlecon Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:47:46am |
re: #391 middlecon
Woops quotes got messed up but here is my devils advocate take:
Devils advocate: Are they really that different they are both going to balloon the defecit by trillions of dollars.
I'm COMPLETELY against raising taxes but if what is Obama goign to raise taxes overall 3%? 5%?
Most people aren't political junkies, or afraid of either candidate.
Both have about 50-55% favorability ratings, so all things being equal they are equally well liked.
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Spirit93 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:48:21am |
re: #383 TheMatrix31
The fact that Obama and McCain are like POLAR opposites really have me wondering how the hell there could be anyone who's undecided.
It's like "Oh, I JUST DONT KNOW whether I'm a gonna vote for a socialist who hangs around with people who hate America or someone who has given his blood, sweat, and tears for this country for 40 years."
Really, people? Should the undecideds know who the hell they are AS PEOPLE by now?
Hey, I just want free stuff.
What could possibly go wrong?
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Karridine Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:48:49am |
re: #387 jptmd
"...MSNBC... have a breakdown, live on TV?"
That was part of the radio report in Link #173, above JP...
"Olbermann will douse himself with gasoline and self-immolate on the steps of the White House! (DJ laughs, raucously)"
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stuiec Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:49:51am |
re: #338 arizona9
Some people have offered some reason to be hopeful, but I don't know. I want to be positive, I really do but....it doesn't look good. Oh in response to what someone posted earlier about Bradley effect...I skimmed a piece by a former Bradley staffer who denied there was a Bradley effect-they said that the results were right in line with their polling. Don't know how reliable it is...
It's really simple. If you want to be positive, be positive. There is ZERO upside in being negative or worrying about the outcome between now and the time the polls close on Tuesday -- unless you're one of those people who needs fear to motivate them to take effective action.
Be positive and go help turn out the vote! (Or, if you must be negative, go help turn out the vote just the same, in hopes of averting disaster!)
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Picayune Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:50:29am |
re: #342 wtc394
This time it's: The Communist Stupid!
(a al Carville for Clinton in '92 - "its the economy, stupid").
This will be the supposed "Bradley effect" effect in '08 for the silent majority that sees, hears and seethes at the MSM shills' cover-up, and BHO's double speak.
Chin up, vote for MAC, and just hope that Obama's ACORN efforts don't steal this election.
Suppress the votes! - exactly, all the fraudulent votes. Don't count on the DOJ, their Civil Rights Division that covers this issue is chock full of Lib/Dem lawyers that refuse to lift a finger to halt the abuses of ACORN, etc.. God help us and Mac, and go vote.
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Karridine Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:50:39am |
re: #394 nightwatch
I love the polls...
I hear you! I found one where Ron Pall is rapidly closing the gap...
/ :D
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jptmd Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:50:50am |
#391 Middlecon
What if Cap Gains goes to 30% or we decide to time travel to 1979 with 78% taxes, trouble with Iran, unemployment, and home mortgages at 19%?
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:53:25am |
re: #86 middlecon
So lets talk turkey....what do you think:
A. Obama wins easy
B. Obama wins in a squeaker
C. McCain wins easy
D. McCains wins in a squeaker
E. No idea til Nov. 4Personally my brain is telling me A but I could see D happening without too many extraordinary things happening.
Go post on kos, You'll be more at home.
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jptmd Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:54:20am |
Karridine
Sorry I did not start the whole thread. I do like the gasoline thing better. However, with Olbermann and all that hot air he blows out, do you think his suicide with leave to large a carbon footprint?
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middlecon Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:56:11am |
re: #401 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Go post on kos, You'll be more at home.
I don't see why some people here can't even accept opinions just a little different than the 'status quo'. I just like talking about stuff. I'm a proud McCain voter. Daily Kos makes me puke.
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nightwatch Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:56:12am |
re: #397 stuiec
WE VOTE, this is the best country on the planet because we debate then we VOTE! KISS MY A$$ COMMIES U SO SUCK CAUSE WE VOTE! U HATE US CAUSE WE V O T E !
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Karridine Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:56:13am |
re: #401 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
The way things are shifting in these last 72 hours? I choose answer C, OMD!
McCain wins EASY!
That means, McCain wins by a big enough margin that the Obamanoids CANNOT recount to stolen victory, or challenge or otherwise poison any more than they have!
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:56:23am |
re: #392 Karridine
Well, there's a LINK above (#173) from earlier today, reporting that the Undecideds are breaking 4:1 for McCain...
I'm taking THAT to the bank, Matrix...
I hope you're right. I simply want to know already.
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YankeeBoy Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:56:28am |
re: #86 middlecon
McCain wins easy. I just don't get the impression the blue collar union guys trust the O to run this country. These are the guys that gave Reagan his landslide. I don't think this election will be a landslide but I don't think McCain is going to have a hard time winning...On top of that we have the PUMA's. Never doubt women scorned.
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capitalistbaby Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:57:06am |
From Oct 31, 2004
News from the Votemaster
It was bound to happen and it happened. Today we have more state polls than there are states. There are 54 new polls in 22 states today. Furthermore, the lead has changed in five states, and all five changes favor Kerry. As a result, Kerry has now passed Bush in the electoral college. If today's results are the final results Wednesday morning, John Kerry will be elected as the 44th President of the United States, with 283 votes in the electoral college to George Bush's 246. But don't count on it. Many of Kerry's leads are razor thin. Counting only the strong + weak states, Bush leads 229 to 196, with 113 electoral votes in the tossup category Kerry's leads in the tossup states mean little to nothing. The turnout Tuesday will determine who wins.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:57:08am |
re: #403 middlecon
No need to post your eeyore opinions then. We get enough of that from other people.
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stuiec Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:57:21am |
re: #374 JustMyView
Your choice! Just remember what your position was when we see the results.
Why? What prize do you personally win if Obama wins? Will the satisfaction of being able to say, "I told you so," make up for the national disaster of an Obama Administration?
One wonders what benefit accrues to those who insist on pushing a defeatist narrative in the final days of a campaign.
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nightwatch Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:57:57am |
re: #401 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
D....U.......D......E...! ?
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:00:05am |
Fruitcup for the confused -------------------------->
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Picayune Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:00:36am |
re: #371 BlueCanuck
Yep, in '04 the MSM had Kerry winning big time at 5 PM on 11/4, or don't you guys have any memory working. What a hoot, later that night when they mused with Bush winning the Vote, "but how could our exist polls be wrong?"
Their polling methods were faulty and folks lied to them, and they still don't get it, in their lust for Power!
The only poll that counts is the Vote on 11/4. Now go vote and with confidence.
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middlecon Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:00:38am |
re: #409 BlueCanuck
No need to post your eeyore opinions then. We get enough of that from other people.
I can only be on certain days so this will be my last time to talk about the election and any 'eeyore opinions' :)
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:01:22am |
re: #403 middlecon
I don't see why some people here can't even accept opinions just a little different than the 'status quo'. I just like talking about stuff. I'm a proud McCain voter. Daily Kos makes me puke.
I can search your previous comments. You're a liar.
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Karridine Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:01:36am |
re: #410 stuiec
One wonders what benefit accrues to those who insist on pushing a defeatist narrative in the final days of a campaign.
Only the benefit outlined by the Disillusioned PUMA who could no longer work for Obama, who said:
"Sowing dissent and defeatism IS THE ONLY STRATEGY Obama has! He CANNOT compete on the facts, so he MUST send his minions to dishearten and demoralize! Obama has NOTHING ELSE!"
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stuiec Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:02:03am |
re: #403 middlecon
I don't see why some people here can't even accept opinions just a little different than the 'status quo'. I just like talking about stuff. I'm a proud McCain voter. Daily Kos makes me puke.
Ask yourself: what useful purpose is served by predicting anything other than a McCain/Palin win right at this moment? At the end of this marathon, it's not time to consider the prospect of failure, but rather time to focus in on the needed actions to achieve victory.
You need to consider that a proud McCain voter should at this time be encouraging other proud McCain voters to get out the vote for McCain, not engaging in mental masturbation about the odds of winning.
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middlecon Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:02:20am |
re: #416 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
I can search your previous comments. You're a liar.
Ok search my previous comments where I praised the Daily Kos. Won't find any of those.
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Karridine Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:02:43am |
re: #413 littleoldlady
What? This blog hires the handy capped?
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stuiec Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:04:05am |
re: #417 Karridine
You wouldn't be implying that JustMyView is a moby working for the Obama campaign, would you?
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jptmd Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:04:08am |
Praying Karridine is right about McCain wining, I bid you all a goodnight.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:04:35am |
re: #413 littleoldlady
Fruitcup for the confused -------------------------->
Does this mean we get double fruitcup?
/scoops one just in case. :)
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:04:37am |
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nightwatch Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:05:11am |
re: #409 BlueCanuck
Should have seen the new hardwood floor I laid in less than 4 hours, man modern applications rock compared to the old days of tongue and groove.
Even better than sheet linoleum (lead ladened), now if only I can build that windmill to power my house....
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RTLM Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:05:12am |
re: #413 littleoldlady
Fruitcup for the confused -------------------------->
Do we get it twice - ?
(two times)
:)
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:05:32am |
re: #421 stuiec
You wouldn't be implying that JustMyView is a moby working for the Obama campaign, would you?
Doesn't matter, it's just a moby period.
/and we all know how to deal with mobies right?
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middlecon Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:05:33am |
re: #418 stuiec
Ask yourself: what useful purpose is served by predicting anything other than a McCain/Palin win right at this moment? At the end of this marathon, it's not time to consider the prospect of failure, but rather time to focus in on the needed actions to achieve victory.
You need to consider that a proud McCain voter should at this time be encouraging other proud McCain voters to get out the vote for McCain, not engaging in mental masturbation about the odds of winning.
I am in the minority here of actually putting some credence in the polls. I don't think they are completely crazy, its a bad year to be a Republican, I don't think anyone can deny that. There's alot of reasons to believe that McCain would be behind.
BUT just because he's behind doesn't mean talking about possible outcomes is going to ruin his chances. Anyone who won't go out to vote because of what they read in blog comments is beyond the pale.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:06:30am |
Back from crowbarring and recovering from an allergy attack. What'd I miss?
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JustMyView Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:06:42am |
re: #418 stuiec
Ask yourself: what useful purpose is served by predicting anything other than a McCain/Palin win right at this moment? At the end of this marathon, it's not time to consider the prospect of failure, but rather time to focus in on the needed actions to achieve victory.
You need to consider that a proud McCain voter should at this time be encouraging other proud McCain voters to get out the vote for McCain, not engaging in mental masturbation about the odds of winning.
I completely agree that McCain supporters should be doing everything they can to win--voting, encouraging others to vote, making calls, whatever. But that doesn't mean it makes sense to claim that the results of public opinion surveys are fiction.
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:06:55am |
RTLM! :-)
You're going to make me say "yes" twice, aren't you?
I think there's people around the world who haven't changed their clocks as we have. This batch is for them.
/I expect y'all to catch up by tomorrow...
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:06:58am |
re: #426 nightwatch
Can't help you there, I am all thumbs.
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Karridine Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:07:22am |
re: #421 stuiec
You wouldn't be implying that JustMyView is a moby working for the Obama campaign, would you?
"Excuse me, we have THIS shoe, Sir, and we'll just slip it on and- OH! It fits? Well, then he might as well wear it, Cinderella fashion, eh?"
/Grain of Salt Department Stuie.... :D
"Stoopid is as stoopid does, my mother says."
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wtc394 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:07:26am |
re: #398 Picayune
I think you misread my statement, I was telling eeyore to knock it off.
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YankeeBoy Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:09:04am |
S**t...I responded to a moby. Thank you sir may I have another.
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traderjoe9 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:09:58am |
My clock just went from 1:59 to 1:00. Wowzers.
Good night ya'll. Don't let the lib's bite.
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nightwatch Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:10:00am |
I'll pass on the fruit-cup tonight,
Scotch....ice...a stout glass and quiet beneath the Orange tree, with a brisk rain approaching....yes, that will do just fine....
night to the lizards
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:10:20am |
Hmmm, fascinating.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:10:58am |
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Karridine Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:13:45am |
But that doesn't mean it makes sense to claim that the results of public opinion surveys are fiction.
We're claiming the results are fiction for other reasons:
1/The tremendous disparity between them (17% vs 1%)
2/The reported existence of up to 80% Refusal to Respond responses, and
3/The Bradley Effect being IN EFFECT as we speak here...
/among other things. THESE, at least, are enough to delegitimize the polls. Period.
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nightwatch Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:14:29am |
re: #434 BlueCanuck
just blowing puff, what I really want is cherry wood in 6 inch planks with mahogany bow-ties to dress it all up.. my dream...my dream
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Picayune Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:16:25am |
re: #430 middlecon
Dude, we've have enough of that crap from the MSM and to many others for to long, get it. The polls are used by many to shape opinions, not report them, as in Zogby, with his close relationship to the O.
Mac is closing now, now post positive and go vote, and inform your friends/fam. Got it?
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Karridine Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:16:49am |
re: #442 BlueCanuck
Well, I ran yr linkie, but as feebed-out as his arguments are here, I'm inclined to believe he's NOT an al-Jazeera supporter or regular reader there...
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Teacake! Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:17:11am |
Hey there night owls. If you don't mind I'd like to ask for advise.
Has anyone here experienced getting a cold shoulder from people for no apparent reason? If so, did you ask what was going on and if so, how do you approach people when they are obviously giving the cold shoulder?
I suspect that someone who is hostile toward me, who is very good friends with these 2 others might be spreading rumors or gossip which is totally fabricated. But if they are his friend and no longer will even say hello to me, how would you go about asking what's going on?
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:19:18am |
re: #448 Karridine
That's not the reason I linked it. I too concur with your assessment. It was what it was responding to. :)
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JustMyView Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:19:53am |
re: #444 Karridine
We're claiming the results are fiction for other reasons:
1/The tremendous disparity between them (17% vs 1%)
2/The reported existence of up to 80% Refusal to Respond responses, and
3/The Bradley Effect being IN EFFECT as we speak here.../among other things. THESE, at least, are enough to delegitimize the polls. Period.
Right, but some of these claims are fiction. For instance, people who have examined the results of recent elections involving candidates have found no evidence of a Bradley effect. Except for the New Hampshire, Obama did not underperform his poll results in the primaries. He was, in fact, more likely to overperform. As to disparity, I haven't seen the range of results you suggest. The three poll aggregators mentioned above (RCP, 538, Pollster) all have Obama ahead by 6-8 points. As to the 80% refusal rate, if you have a link, I'd be interested in reading about that result.
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Jewels (AKA Julian) Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:20:02am |
Teacake: having little paitence for such nonsense, I confront the person and ask what the problem is, then ask where they heard it
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:20:57am |
Can I tell you guys something about polls?
We've been sitting around debating the weights given in the polls - dem vs rep vs ind - and saying they're wrong. This does not matter. The other day someone linked to a (supposed) Obama insider who (supposedly) revealed the current strategy of hyping the polls to demoralize McCain voters. The most important thing that person said was that some pollsters are getting up to an 80% non-response rate.
The polls are designed with small samples that in theory reflect the larger population. NOT THIS TIME. The non-responders (refuse to answer, hang ups, or like me non-phone answerers) are without a doubt heavier weighted to McCain.
The polls are CaCa. IGNORE THEM.
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wtc394 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:20:59am |
re: #449 Teacake!
Hey there night owls. If you don't mind I'd like to ask for advise.
Has anyone here experienced getting a cold shoulder from people for no apparent reason? If so, did you ask what was going on and if so, how do you approach people when they are obviously giving the cold shoulder?
I suspect that someone who is hostile toward me, who is very good friends with these 2 others might be spreading rumors or gossip which is totally fabricated. But if they are his friend and no longer will even say hello to me, how would you go about asking what's going on?
being more blunt than most, I would probably start the conversation off with "hey asshole, wtf is your problem ?" but there may be a better way of saying that.
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:21:49am |
...which Karridine managed to say in one sentence. ;_)
/need. coffee.
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Teacake! Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:21:57am |
Hi Jewels. in person or is it okay to ask in an email? I tend to be a very shy gal when it comes to uncomfortable situations.
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Picayune Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:22:04am |
re: #449 Teacake!
Halitosis? (just joking), don't really know, give it time, it will all come out. I think we're in the same city - the Cresent one.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:23:14am |
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Teacake! Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:23:18am |
that's funny wtc. that's what I feel like inside. I could say that actually, why are you assholes being such assholes? lol
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nightwatch Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:23:48am |
re: #449 Teacake!
Easy now, thick skin (Scales) is the lizard way. pace yourself, pick your point of entry and dive in HONEST! If u be troll, u not last long. Many are the lizoid army, yet they give fair wind to the honest but block the troll.
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Jewels (AKA Julian) Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:23:55am |
sure. I'm not going to be up much longer....bout of insomnia here...but go ahead
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Karridine Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:24:04am |
re: #456 littleoldlady
...which Karridine managed to say in one sentence. ;_)/need. coffee.
Oh, Sweet Friend, coffee and hugs to you...
We're just glad you're well and HERE! :D
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Teacake! Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:24:12am |
Picayune ! Hey! What neighborhood do you live? !
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welshgirl Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:24:22am |
re: #449 Teacake!
Hot tongue, cold shoulder, huh? Just get up yer courage and ask anybody involved. Keeping quiet will kill you.
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middlecon Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:24:30am |
Doing a google on '80% refuse to take polls', I can see it was mentioned by Rush Limbaugh and on other conservative blogs.
I think its very likely that most people just consider polls the same as telemarketers, but no real link to a news story about the '80%' theory.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:24:56am |
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wtc394 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:25:36am |
re: #461 Teacake!
that's funny wtc. that's what I feel like inside. I could say that actually, why are you assholes being such assholes? lol
perfect, pratice it a bit the let her rip...although putting him/them on the spot in public could work too. In a group, be nice, say hello, start conversation and make them look rude or walk away. Someone will notice and maybe make the situation clearer.
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Teacake! Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:25:44am |
I don't catch your drift exactly Nightwatch. I've been at lgf for several years and I've been known to ask for personal advise on many occasion since people here have really good advise.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:25:58am |
re: #467 middlecon
Of course, why should the MSM say that they are getting bad data. Especially since they have shown how deep in the cess pool they are for Zero™
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:26:31am |
re: #467 middlecon
Crunch the numbers yourself. Assume a 50% non response rate, if you think 80% is unreasonable.
At best the race is even.
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:27:26am |
I mean, at best for Obama. At worst for McCain.
/still.need.coffee.
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Teacake! Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:29:28am |
welshgirl - it has been very distressful. I know for sure that this fellow moved into my building for nafarious reasons and he managed to come between me and the fellow I was seeing. Its a very long story. But that both his friends who used to be my friends have become so cold toward me, is more than strange and I suspect he is poisoning the well - but they are both so defensive toward him, oh well, i need to just ask WTF is going on. Point blank.
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Karridine Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:30:00am |
re: #474 littleoldlady
I mean, at best for Obama. At worst for McCain./still.need.coffee.
Right on the money, Little Olde!
With a 50% Non-Responder value in ANY poll, it would skew the results three ways to Tuesday!
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:31:36am |
Am I too late for the Fall Back version of fruitcup?
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Picayune Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:32:38am |
re: #465 Teacake!
Bucktown baby. The one without cold shoulders or halitosis! Lighten up, some friends aren't worth having, and some that are, are the best. When in Houston, nobody wanted to form close friendships, cause so many moved away so quickly due to jobs, etc.
But that's rarely the case in NOLA. It's a place all its own. And so unique!
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Teacake! Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:32:47am |
Okay, thanks all. Just wanted a little advise and you all seem to agree its best I ask rather than continue to pretend nothing odd is going on.
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Karridine Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:34:07am |
re: #476 Teacake!
Move on, Teacake.
If they are willing to LISTEN to gossip about you, they are no FRIENDS to you.
Moreover, if they are willing to socially stigmatize you AS IF the gossip were true, THEY ARE NO FRIENDS to you.
Thank God you've seen their hearts, do NOT try to initiate a convincing explanation, just go your own way and enjoy your life with NEW, FRIENDLY friends!
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:34:28am |
re: #467 middlecon
Doing a google on '80% refuse to take polls', I can see it was mentioned by Rush Limbaugh and on other conservative blogs.
I think its very likely that most people just consider polls the same as telemarketers, but no real link to a news story about the '80%' theory.
IGNORE...
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shiplord kirel Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:35:32am |
Yeehaa! Texas Tech 39, Texas 33
It was as risky a pass as Graham Harrell has ever thrown. Also the most important.With the final seconds ticking off and Texas Tech trailing by a point, the Texas Tech quarterback saw Michael Crabtree in double coverage and let it fly. The All-American wide receiver snagged it on the sideline, shook off a defender and ducked into the end zone with one second left.
With that stunning 28-yard touchdown, the No. 6 Red Raiders turned near-heartbreak into a wild victory, 39-33 over No. 1 Texas on Saturday night.
It was Tech's first win ever on a number 1 ranked team and the 500th football victory in the school's history. It was marred by the infantile and moronic behavior of Tech fans who drew not one but two major penalties when they ran onto the field after the final touchdown. There was one second left on the clock and Tech still had to kick off to Texas, giving the Longhorns a final chance. Because of the two fifteen yard penalties, Tech had to kick from its own 7 yard line, against two of the best kick returners in the game. They stopped Texas to end the game on the kickoff but it could have been a disaster.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:35:47am |
re: #477 Karridine
I can only hope that the youth vote are not as energized (compared to '00 and '04) as the Obama campaign has made it seem. Unlike crusty old Kerry, Obama is actually an appealing figure to kids my age.
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welshgirl Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:36:13am |
re: #476 Teacake!
I agree, you have to speak up. Life's tough like that. Been there, done that! LOL
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:36:18am |
re: #467 middlecon
Doing a google on '80% refuse to take polls', I can see it was mentioned by Rush Limbaugh and on other conservative blogs.
I think its very likely that most people just consider polls the same as telemarketers, but no real link to a news story about the '80%' theory.
BTW, your avatar is creepy.
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:36:25am |
Fenway! :-)
(Can't link to comments for some reason... :-/ ) #413
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middlecon Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:38:16am |
re: #489 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
BTW, your avatar is creepy.
It's a jolly face...how could a jolly face be creepy? lol
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:39:04am |
re: #486 shiplord kirel
And they had to beat Texas and the refs to win the game. Most of the calls against Texas Tech were brutal.
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Jewels (AKA Julian) Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:39:19am |
Lazardo: I tend to difuse the enthusiasum for Obama with the younger set when I remind them that they will be paying for all the asshatery that Obama is pushing
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RTLM Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:39:20am |
According to Alexander Tyler, there are 8 stages in the life of a Democracy.
1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage "
Me thinks we're at #6, teetering on #7.
I'd like to be around for #2 redux.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:39:40am |
re: #492 middlecon
Clowns are supposed to have jolly faces painted on....yet that in no way diminishes the creepiness factor.
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Karridine Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:39:59am |
4 – The Bradley Effect. Don’t believe those polls for a second. I just went over our numbers and found that we have next to no chance in the following states: Missouri, Indiana, North Carolina, Florida, New Hampshire and Nevada. Ohio leans heavily to McCain, but is too close to call it for him. Virginia, Pennsylvania, Colorado, New Mexico and Iowa are the true “toss up states”. The only two of these the campaign feels “confident” in are Iowa and New Mexico. The reason for such polling discrepancy is the Bradley Effect, and this is a subject of much discussion in the campaign. In general, we tend to take a -10 point percentage in allowing for this, and are not comfortable until the polls give us a spread well over this mark. This is why we are still campaigning in Virginia and Pennsylvania! This is why Ohio is such a desperate hope for us! What truly bothers this campaign is the fact that some pollsters get up to an 80% “refuse to respond” result. You can’t possibly include these into the polls. The truth is, people are afraid to let people know who they are voting for. The vast majority of these respondents are McCain supporters. Obama is the “hip” choice, and we all know it.
Just ONE of the points elucidated at IsraPundit's place! (emphasis added)
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Picayune Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:40:25am |
re: #482 Teacake!
The best part, on the Lake. Lived in Metairie Club Gardens, and the Garden District, Uptown, prior to Houston, but nothing beats living on the lake - the Briney breezes and soft zephyrs make life here delightful - and ya don't need to take your uzzy w/ you, when taking a walk along the Lake.
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:41:46am |
re: #497 Karridine
THAT'S where I read it! Thanks! :-)
/good thing some still have brain cells that work... ;-)
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Picayune Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:43:16am |
re: #487 laZardo
FL reports that the youths ain't showing up in the numbers the Dems projected in the early voting.
What's up dudes?
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JustMyView Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:43:44am |
re: #497 Karridine
Just ONE of the points elucidated at IsraPundit's place! (emphasis added)
Elucidated by an anonymous poster who provides no supporting data. Not the most credible source.
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Karridine Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:43:48am |
re: #499 littleoldlady
Put your head back and POUR the coffee over your forehead, let it dribble out your years...
/Good Wake-UP for Brain Cells, Kiddo!
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arizona9 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:43:58am |
Ok here it is! Watch it fast before NBC yanks it
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Karridine Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:45:27am |
re: #501 JustMyView
Elucidated by an anonymous poster who provides no supporting data. Not the most credible source.
Exactly!
Being a KNOWN OPERATIVE for Hillary AND Obama could be reason enough for not wanting to reveal her true name, especially in light of Joe the Plumber's treatment, but by golly, you're RIGHT.
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Jewels (AKA Julian) Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:45:58am |
and now for something completely different....stills from the new Star trek film for 2009
[Link: trekmovie.com...]
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nonic Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:46:19am |
Good morning, people. One of my sons is running the NYC marathon today. So he just drove off now 4:45 am to get to Staten Island to wait to start at 10:00 am. He says it will take him about 4 hours to run the course. Mother tuts and fusses and frets, of course, but he says he's run 26 miles 7 times before. What snacks did he take with him? A not ripe banana and a cut up baked potato.
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Picayune Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:47:13am |
re: #493 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
I watched it all, while watching the Hornets go 3-0 at home against the Cavs. TT has got game. They led the entire way. But, the Tulane Green Wave fell to the "Cheating Tigers" in Baton Rouge tonight, maybe next year! TT can do it and so has the GW.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:48:47am |
re: #506 nonic
Good morning, people. One of my sons is running the NYC marathon today. So he just drove off now 4:45 am to get to Staten Island to wait to start at 10:00 am. He says it will take him about 4 hours to run the course. Mother tuts and fusses and frets, of course, but he says he's run 26 miles 7 times before. What snacks did he take with him? A not ripe banana and a cut up baked potato.
Actually, 26 miles, 365 yards if I remember correctly. : )
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:49:13am |
re: #502 Karridine
I'll try that! Meanwhile, can you remember where I read this? ;-)
Florida Dems were thrilled because they got a +17% turnout vs. Reps.
Exit polls showed a 2 point race...
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:50:44am |
nonic! :-)
Good clean fun, and a (relatively) nice day for it! :-)
I wish him lots of luck!
/the good news is, I'm too old to be jealous... ;-)
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laZardo Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:51:04am |
re: #500 Picayune
I don't know who suggested this, but I can guess that some of them weren't voting because they think "it's already won."
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:51:27am |
re: #507 Picayune
I watched it all, while watching the Hornets go 3-0 at home against the Cavs. TT has got game. They led the entire way. But, the Tulane Green Wave fell to the "Cheating Tigers" in Baton Rouge tonight, maybe next year! TT can do it and so has the GW.
OK....: )
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:52:49am |
Heh.....caught some of that Michigan State/Wisconsin game earlier as well as the 4th quarter of the Minnesota/Northwestern game; not even a Big Ten kind of guy, but I'm glad I did.
Later on in the day I flipped back and forth between the Celtics and Bruins (Thomas excelled in net again and that little bitch Avery got the beatdown that was coming to him) before tuning into that Texas/Texas Tech game...which was one of those all-too-rare matchups that actually lived up to the hype (too bad I was too big of a wuss to plunk some $$$ down on Northwestern, Mich. State or Tex. Tech earlier this week).
Was able to catch most of the final game of the Hockey Night in Canada doubleheader on the NHL network...the poor hapless Kings made it interesting towards the end, but that's about all anyone could say ever since they moved into the Staples Center. After that, I caught some of the Arizona State/Oregon State game (or Dustin Pedroia's alma mater versus Jacoby Ellsbury's alma-mater), which came down to a 2-point conversion with 21 seconds left in regulation.
It was one of those quirky, rare days where every game I seemed to be tuning into was a cliffhanger (except for that Bruins/Stars game- that was pretty much a one-sided beatdown) and even though I was station-hopping, I seemed to be tuning in at just the right time...
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JustMyView Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:53:06am |
re: #504 Karridine
Exactly!
Being a KNOWN OPERATIVE for Hillary AND Obama could be reason enough for not wanting to reveal her true name, especially in light of Joe the Plumber's treatment, but by golly, you're RIGHT.
I see your point, but, still, unless this writer is willing to stand behind what he or she says, this statement doesn't have any more credibility than the rumors about Obama's birth certificate.
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:53:21am |
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:53:41am |
Jewels! :-)
How're you doing? New job, right?
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nonic Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:54:30am |
So, clothes that the marathoners wear this morning while they're waiting they won't want when they run. And they'll be taking them off in Staten Island and finish running on Central Park South. So the organizers will have bins set up at the Start Line so that the runners can give away those duds to be distributed to the homeless. I think that was a good idea. My son bought a heavy red plaid flannel shirt for the purpose.
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Jewels (AKA Julian) Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:56:03am |
Lol
Yes....working as a "account manager" for NELNet. prettmuch when accounts have been screwed up...they give it to me to fix
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:58:55am |
re: #515 JustMyView
I see your point, but, still, unless this writer is willing to stand behind what he or she says, this statement doesn't have any more credibility than the rumors about Obama's birth certificate.
Or Palin's magical banned book list....
Or Palin's membership in the Alaska Independence Party
Or McCain's involvement in the Keating Five
Or members of the crowd shouting 'kill him!' during McCain rally in Pennsylvania
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arizona9 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:59:25am |
re: #516 TheMatrix31
Omg, I missed bits the first time because I was laughing so hard. Seeing it now a 2nd and 3rd time, it's even funnier than I thought. It brilliantly nails Olbermann on all aspects of his vile personality, complete with dramatic head turns. Seriously, people, back away from keyboards while watching.
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nonic Sun, Nov 2, 2008 1:59:57am |
#508 Ozark Mountain
Yeah, I know. I think it was a marathon that he ran around Crater Lake (if that's the name of it, a volcanic rim) in Washington or Oregon, wherever.
#510 littleoldlady
Hiya, kid. Thanks. :-)
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:00:02am |
It's 5 am. Do you know where your fruitcup is?
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------------------->
Help yourselves!
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:00:36am |
re: #523 littleoldlady
Excellent, more fruitcup. Thanks a lot littleoldlady.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:00:48am |
re: #503 arizona9
A bit grunty for the tone but the dialogue is spot on.
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Scion9 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:01:01am |
The Olbermann SNL skit that was being discussed at the top of the thread.
If you've never seen him, check out Greg Gutfeld on Fox. I can't help but think that his shtickh is a partial parody of Olbermann. He ends all of his editorials and rants with the admonition, "And if you disagree with me, then you sir are worse than Hitler."
Very Olbermann-esque.
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Slumbering Behemoth Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:01:39am |
Piper Palin, giving the finger(s).
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JustMyView Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:01:48am |
re: #520 Fenway_Nation
Or Palin's magical banned book list....
Or Palin's membership in the Alaska Independence Party
Or McCain's involvement in the Keating Five
Or members of the crowd shouting 'kill him!' during McCain rally in Pennsylvania
Absolutely! (With the exception of McCain's involvement in the Keating Five, which he acknowledges.)
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Karridine Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:02:20am |
re: #509 littleoldlady
No, Ma'am.... doesn't ring a bell, sorry
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Jewels (AKA Julian) Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:02:28am |
kitten break!
[Link: www.dailykitten.com...]
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nonic Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:06:00am |
#528 Slumber
SEE?! I told my friend who sent me that picture that it was photoshopped. I told him that it seemed very unlikely that the old lady in the picture would be smiling indulgently at the kid flipping the bird.
Thank you for the links which I am now going to forward to him.
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nonic Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:07:03am |
That same "friend" #532 also told me that Joe the Plumber was an "urban legend." Whatever the hell he thought he meant by that. I didn't get into a discussion of it with him.
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:08:08am |
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:08:10am |
re: #523 littleoldlady
It's 5 am. Do you know where your fruitcup is?
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------------------->
Help yourselves!
Time changes have me confused.
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:08:43am |
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Karridine Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:09:03am |
re: #529 JustMyView
JMV, it is of little import WHO she is, or whether she actually worked for Hillary and Obama... Her revelations dovetail with other observations, require no suspension of disbelief, call for no leap of faith and only clarify some things we've been seeing implied elsewhere.
If you choose to read the gray of her detailed report and declare "Incredible" then that's your choice.
I choose to declare it "Interesting, whether or not its credible"
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Slumbering Behemoth Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:10:50am |
re: #532 nonic
Heh. Be sure to send him this authentic, completely real photo (with my regards, of course) as well.
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JustMyView Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:12:28am |
re: #537 Karridine
JMV, it is of little import WHO she is, or whether she actually worked for Hillary and Obama... Her revelations dovetail with other observations, require no suspension of disbelief, call for no leap of faith and only clarify some things we've been seeing implied elsewhere.
If you choose to read the gray of her detailed report and declare "Incredible" then that's your choice.
I choose to declare it "Interesting, whether or not its credible"
Bur what is the point of a report describing events occurring w/in a campaign if it's not credible?
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:14:54am |
re: #529 JustMyView
Which was tangential, at best........
But never mind me- I live in bizarro world where I find a presidential candidate from a major party hanging out with unrepentant domestic terrorists who were thwarted from placing nail bombs at an NCO's dance by their own idiocy/inability to handle explosives far more disturbing.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:16:11am |
re: #540 Fenway_Nation
Not to mention manifestos that strike an eerie familiarity with what has been done, and what is currently going on.
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:19:14am |
re: #539 JustMyView
Bur what is the point of a report describing events occurring w/in a campaign if it's not credible?
Because what's TRULY incredible is that the American People would actually vote for Obama.
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Karridine Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:22:25am |
re: #539 JustMyView
But what is the point of a report describing events occurring w/in a campaign if it's not credible?
EXACTLY! They're of little or no use to you, because YOU FIND THEM INCREDIBLE.
Those who find such reports credible when weighed against and with other such reports from more credible sources (VDHanson, Malkin, LGF) find these reports useful because they're another part of a large, multi-faceted reality out there, which occasionally requires certification but more often than not requires critical thinking on the part of observers, readers and commentators.
Principle here: What you see is what you get.
Your perceptual set determines ancillary or secondary value AFTER you 'see it'...
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nonic Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:24:07am |
re: #534 littleoldlady
"Doesn't exist".
/Reality Takes a Holiday
I know what "urban legend" means. I just couldn't figure what he thought he meant by saying that Joe Wurzelbacher WAS one.
I have really had to bite my tongue with him, because I know he's going to vote for Obama. And he's a Jew, too, which drives me straight up the wall.
(Not that he's a Jew, but that a Jew would vote for The pro-palestinian-anti-Isral One.) (Grrrrrr....)
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:25:02am |
re: #539 JustMyView
Many sources those that have names, also dovetail neatly with what we hear in this community. A confirmation that's posted on another blog that has little connection with ours is nice. Is it credible? Who knows? Does it fit the facts that are trickling out? Yes, and that trickle of facts may soon become a flood.
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:26:46am |
re: #545 nonic
How do you think I feel running into my co-religionists who are doing that?
/okay. I'll tell you. I FEEL SICK. :-(
The silver lining is that there's a whole bunch that I didn't have to convince at all.
/plus Bubbes on the Beach are a McCain voting block...
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JustMyView Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:28:09am |
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:29:02am |
re: #549 JustMyView
I guess it would have to have the MSM stamp of approval right?
/still don't understand why you are still here
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jamie Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:30:38am |
re: #545 nonic
I know what "urban legend" means. I just couldn't figure what he thought he meant by saying that Joe Wurzelbacher WAS one.
I have really had to bite my tongue with him, because I know he's going to vote for Obama. And he's a Jew, too, which drives me straight up the wall.
(Not that he's a Jew, but that a Jew would vote for The pro-palestinian-anti-Isral One.) (Grrrrrr....)
One, it's "he's Jewish," not "he's a Jew."
Two, while I can appreciate the ideological basis for your frustration, please know that our religious beliefs do not require us to vote a certain way. I may be alone on this, but I reject the idea that my being Jewish requires me to vote either for this Democrat or that Republican.
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Karridine Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:30:58am |
re: #549 JustMyView
re: #546 BlueCanuckOK, I'll concede the entertainment value of that report, but I wouldn't bet any money on the validity of what it says.
We wouldn't either, IF it did not correlate closely with events observed in real-time in the the real world!
Because it DOES, we care not what-her-name-is, or who wrote it, because it correlates closely with other known variables.
/but hey! I'm agreeing with you, it is of no use to you. Useless. Incredible.
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:37:55am |
re: #551 jamie
One, it's "he's Jewish," not "he's a Jew."
Two, while I can appreciate the ideological basis for your frustration, please know that our religious beliefs do not require us to vote a certain way. I may be alone on this, but I reject the idea that my being Jewish requires me to vote either for this Democrat or that Republican.
One, I am "a Jew". Been "a Jew" for a long time, in fact.
/is there a problem with that?
Two, this is not an election between a Democrat and a Republican. This is an election between an antisemite and a supporter of Israel.
/probably why 76% of Jewish-Americans in Israel voted for McCain.
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nonic Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:38:29am |
re: #548 littleoldlady
I have one son (out of five) who's going to vote for Obama. I have told the rest of them not to talk politics with him. At all. We're FAMILY. And it's more important that we stay friendly than ......... well, than ANYTHING. Even who's president.
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JustMyView Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:41:47am |
re: #550 BlueCanuck
I guess it would have to have the MSM stamp of approval right?
/still don't understand why you are still here
It's not about the MSM. It's about providing an account that can be verified.
As to why I'm here, sometimes I enjoy a good argument. Every now and then, I actually get someone to agree w/ me about something.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:42:16am |
Hmmm, a little off topic. The ID thread has been very quiet tonight for once. I like that kind of CHANGE.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:43:07am |
re: #555 JustMyView
Hey, a stopped clock is right at least twice a day. . . . . . .
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tappin52 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:45:32am |
re: #449 Teacake!
Hey there night owls. If you don't mind I'd like to ask for advise.
Has anyone here experienced getting a cold shoulder from people for no apparent reason? If so, did you ask what was going on and if so, how do you approach people when they are obviously giving the cold shoulder?
I suspect that someone who is hostile toward me, who is very good friends with these 2 others might be spreading rumors or gossip which is totally fabricated. But if they are his friend and no longer will even say hello to me, how would you go about asking what's going on?
Teacake, there is no other way to do it other than speaking directly to your friend and asking calm, rational very direct questions. And if you get answers that affirm what you suspect, then you calmy, rationally and truthfully set the record straight.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:46:52am |
re: #558 littleoldlady
I wonder, after this election if the words hope and change will be viewed the same way as gay and comrade. :p
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little blessing Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:46:57am |
re: #556 BlueCanuck
Much more action on the Friday Open Thread.
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wahabicorridor Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:48:00am |
re: #554 nonic
I have one son (out of five) who's going to vote for Obama.
nonic, may I ask how old he is? The reason for asking is that I'm finding the younger voters are more inclined to support Obama than the older voters and I wonder if that is the case in your family.
A week ago my sister emailed me for help persuading a friend of her daughter's that Obama was not the right way to go (he's a big 'social justice guy). I spent several hours working up some docs for him to read - and recommended he should further his education by reading Sowell's Applied Economics so he could at least learn about Stage One Thinking, which he was obviously stuck in.
It may be too late to change is mind completely, but my sister emailed me yesterday that he's actually reading the book. *fingers crossed*
Oh, good morning everyone! I missed SNL lst nite - could not stay awake. Was it good? I'm hoping to see some clips on Fox this morning.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:48:32am |
re: #556 BlueCanuck
Hmmm, a little off topic. The ID thread has been very quiet tonight for once. I like that kind of CHANGE.
Me too. It's nice to relax and chill out with a DRINK.
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nonic Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:50:28am |
re: #551 jamie
Please trust me that I meant no offense saying my friend is "a Jew." I just take that term to be a statement of fact, like I am "a Christian," someone else is "a Muslim," etc.
You are free, of course, as is my friend, to vote any way you like. But I don't see it being about religion, but politics. Voting should be about politics. What PUBLIC POLICIES does the voter favor?
I would HOPE that all clear-thinking people would believe that Israel has a RIGHT TO EXIST and that its inhabitants should not have to live in fear of their lives and the destruction of their homes and nation. But ESPECIALLY I am surprised when Jews and Christians do not feel that way.
It is that surprise -- and frustration -- that I was referring to. Not anyone's right to vote one way or another, and not based on his religion.
By my lights, Israel is Jewish and Christian HOLY LAND. Jews and Christians have ancient historical rights and scripture-documented traditional rights to the place. Muslims have merely been squatters for the last 1400 years. Yes, that entitles some individuals to some rights, but it doesn't make the Holy Land of the Jews and Christians into an Islamic "holy site."
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:50:28am |
re: #561 little blessing
Oh? is there trolls that need to be thrashed and tenderized?
/thats the R.S. thread right?
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:51:21am |
re: #560 BlueCanuck
I figure in another week or so kids won't be playing Cowboys and Indians anymore.
It'll be Racists and Socialists.
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:52:11am |
Pych(ot)ic Predictions for 2009:
1. President Obama will be forced to deny that he is the baby alien who was smuggled out of Area 51 in a Canadian spy's lunchbox in 1961.
2. Bill Ayers will publicly acknowledge that he ghost-writes Keith Obermann's scripts.
3. Gold futures will plummet on the news that 84% of the world's gold reserves are in fact crude fakes, mostly lead and depleted uranium bars and coin coated with a thin layer of actual gold.
4. Ron Paul
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jamie Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:52:38am |
re: #537 Karridine
JMV, it is of little import WHO she is, or whether she actually worked for Hillary and Obama... Her revelations dovetail with other observations, require no suspension of disbelief, call for no leap of faith and only clarify some things we've been seeing implied elsewhere.
With all due respect, it requires an absurd leap of faith and it is of extreme import who she worked for, since that is at the center of her claims. It requires you to believe that a Hillary staffer switched to the Obama campaign after the primary, and rose so high in the ranks, that she joined the tiny handful of senior advisers that get to see the internal polling. Then, while staying in that circle which usually consists of the pollster, the media consultant, and the top four or five staffers, she had a Road to Damascus moment and decided to back McCain by releasing strategic information that shows an impending Obama loss.
Look, I don't blame you for wanting this to be credible and wanting it to be true. But to say it "require[s] no suspension of disbelief" is flat out wrong.
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little blessing Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:53:02am |
re: #565 BlueCanuck
yup, and the dingers are going nuts. Sorry I left you, Littleoldlady and Karridine to take care of the eeyores.
/been watch lgf spy too long.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:53:54am |
re: #567 Shiplord Kirel
Well in some universe you would be bang on.
/Missing World Daily News are we?
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:55:42am |
re: #569 little blessing
No problem. Holding our own here I do believe.
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:56:15am |
The Obama campaign, with its many incestuous links to "small 'c' communists" and Islamic fascists, could end up discrediting the entire Democratic Party -- if Americans realize they've been Suckered Big by the slickest demagogue since Bill Clinton. When ordinary people find out how extreme the America-hating inner circle of Democrats really are, many of the rank and file might just walk out in disgust. They certainly should. We'll soon see in states like Pennsylvania.
The Obama Bubble is entirely based on telephone polls to voters who've been told they are racist monsters if they don't vote for O. Under those circumstances people just don't talk freely. That's what intimidation did in the old Soviet Union, where it was impossible to find out the truth about the coming wheat crop because everybody lied. Polls mean nothing in this climate of media intimidation.
As a registered Democrat and a Jew, I agree.
/not to mention "media, sold public a pig-in-a-poke, people p*ssed"
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nonic Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:57:10am |
re: #562 wahabicorridor
Ages of conservative sons voting Republican: 31, 26, 24, 22.
Age of liberal son voting Democrat: 28.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:58:27am |
re: #567 Shiplord Kirel
Pych(ot)ic Predictions for 2009:
1. President Obama will be forced to deny that he is the baby alien who was smuggled out of Area 51 in a Canadian spy's lunchbox in 1961.
2. Bill Ayers will publicly acknowledge that he ghost-writes Keith Obermann's scripts.
3. Gold futures will plummet on the news that 84% of the world's gold reserves are in fact crude fakes, mostly lead and depleted uranium bars and coin coated with a thin layer of actual gold.
4. Ron Paul
/it's a 5-parter...
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iceman Sun, Nov 2, 2008 2:59:51am |
Fascination reading here describing the tension in the radical left in 1969. And how the armed struggle, ie war was to proceed against the capitalist oppressors. And guess who is here? Our old friends, Ayers, Dohrn and Mike Klonsky, the guy who Barack shared a narrow office hallway with and funneled much money to while he was head of the Annenberg Challenge.
Jump to page 21 of the pdf or page 58 of the FBI file and settle in for a nostalgic trip back, back, back .....for the factional infighting during the 1969 convention of the SDS held in....Chicago, Ill.
Parent page listing all documents is here.
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jamie Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:00:01am |
re: #553 littleoldlady
One, I am "a Jew". Been "a Jew" for a long time, in fact.
/is there a problem with that?
In theory, no. In practice--and I'm not suggesting this is at all representative of one single person here--when anti-Semites embark on their spiel, it's always the "he's a Jew" routine. Rightly or wrongly, IMO, the referring to one as "a Jew" has been taken over by bigots. Of course, there is room for disagreement on this, and I shouldn't have been as definitive in my response.
Two, this is not an election between a Democrat and a Republican. This is an election between an antisemite and a supporter of Israel.
That's just dumb, and cheapens both the fight against real anti-Semitism and the legitimate arguments against Obama's candidacy. He's as anti-Semitic as Joe Lieberman. I highly suggest this piece from the (lamentably shuttered) New York Sun.
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little blessing Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:00:26am |
re: #573 littleoldlady
{littleolelady}
I've spent the day on LGF. Witnessed the Saturday Massacre. Remember when Goddess came on a couple of days ago and mentioned how hard it is when 2 friends move on? Her comments were resonating in my mind today.
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:01:36am |
re: #570 BlueCanuck
Well in some universe you would be bang on.
/Missing World Daily News are we?
It has been resurrected as an online only pub but it can no longer use its cherished slogan, "The World's Only Reliable Newspaper."
I always preferred "The Most Respected Name in Major Media" and I may start lobbying them to adopt it.
Highlights you won't see in lesser media:
# OCTOBER SURPRISE: ALIEN ENDORSES MCCAIN!
# MICHELLE LOVES OBATMA
# INDIA TO CATER ALIEN SUMMIT
# SARAH PALIN HEALS CHILD
# 9-FT-TALL CYCLOPS JOINS NBA
# MCCAIN EBAYS GOVERNMENT SECRETS
#PALIN BAGS A BIGFOOT
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wahabicorridor Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:02:21am |
re: #574 nonic
Ages of conservative sons voting Republican: 31, 26, 24, 22.
Age of liberal son voting Democrat: 28.
Well, there goes that idea..............
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jamie Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:03:27am |
re: #564 nonic
Please trust me that I meant no offense saying my friend is "a Jew." I just take that term to be a statement of fact, like I am "a Christian," someone else is "a Muslim," etc.
None taken, and I should have taken better care to note that this was just my opinion and that I was sure you meant nothing by it. I just tend to chafe at suggestions that I need to vote this way or that way simply because I wear a kippah in my house of worship. A good friend of mine is black, gay, and a huge McCain supporter. It saddens me when he gets a predictable ration of shit from people who believe he owes them anything. I was similarly disappointed to discuss the election in passing with a member of our synagogue who concluded that he could never consider voting for a guy whose middle name was Hussein.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:04:41am |
re: #574 nonic
Well, each family must have a blacksocialist sheep in it. At least it's not a felony.
/yet. . . .
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nonic Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:11:56am |
re: #580 wahabicorridor
Yeah, I don't know what to tell you. He's always been the one who was a little bit different. So be it. He went to college and currently lives and works in Boston. Maybe that's it.
The rest of them went to / go to school and/or work in New Jersey.
Among daughters in law...... the Boston son is married to a Virginia girl. I don't KNOW, but I would guess she's also voting dem. The oldest son is married to an immigrant from Lithuania. She says she didn't grow up under Communism to vote for a Socialist now! LOL The second oldest son is engaged to a Korean girl, born in SK, grew up here. My son says she favors Obama, but he says that's because she has a "soft" (I think he means "bleeding") heart. But he's extremely conservative -- he'll probably bring her over to the light eventually.
Our family, probable votes:
Rep 4 sons, 1 DIL, me, and my ex (most likely) = 7
Dem 1 son, 2 DIL = 3
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:14:46am |
re: #577 jamie
In theory, no. In practice--and I'm not suggesting this is at all representative of one single person here--when anti-Semites embark on their spiel, it's always the "he's a Jew" routine. Rightly or wrongly, IMO, the referring to one as "a Jew" has been taken over by bigots. Of course, there is room for disagreement on this, and I shouldn't have been as definitive in my response.
Yes, I suppose it's hard to do an antisemitic spiel without mentioning "Jews" or even that "He's Jewish". This is a new one on me!
That's just dumb, and cheapens both the fight against real anti-Semitism and the legitimate arguments against Obama's candidacy. He's as anti-Semitic as Joe Lieberman. I highly suggest this piece from the (lamentably shuttered) New York Sun.
What's on the tape that the LA Times refuses to release, jamie? Do you expect to see Obama at a Jew-bashing fest saying, "Now, now guys! Stop beating up on Jews!"
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nonic Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:14:46am |
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little blessing Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:18:31am |
G'day Everyone!
Take good care of yourselves and your loved ones. Nonic is right. The election will (eventually) end and your family will still be there.
Too many rash things have been said today due to passion and emotion. I've watched comments get deleted and posters banned. By all means continue debating and thrashing out the issues but think before posting. Is the ugliness warranted?
/my words will probably come back to bite me in the behind the day I get "ugly"!
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wahabicorridor Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:18:35am |
re: #583 nonic
a Korean girl, born in SK, grew up here
Over the years I've come to know many SKs who grew up in SK - and believe me, they ain't voting Obama. One friend, Kwong, listened to some Obama garbage from her son, Jason, who will be voting for the first time. She told him she'd cut off his tuition! She told me "Look what I've done - came to America so my children could have a better life - and I've raised a MORON who appreciates NOTHING!"
It was kinda funny, actually.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:21:56am |
re: #587 little blessing
G'night little blessing, enjoy the rest of your day.
/can't see you getting "ugly". :)
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:22:02am |
re: #588 wahabicorridor
Over the years I've come to know many SKs who grew up in SK - and believe me, they ain't voting Obama. One friend, Kwong, listened to some Obama garbage from her son, Jason, who will be voting for the first time. She told him she'd cut off his tuition! She told me "Look what I've done - came to America so my children could have a better life - and I've raised a MORON who appreciates NOTHING!"
It was kinda funny, actually.
wahabi! :-)
My daughter tells me that a couple of weeks ago her campus was exuberantly OBAMA! Now she says it's realllllll quiet.
I figured that some of those kids got calls from mom and dad explaining where their tuition money comes from. ;-)
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Scion9 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:23:31am |
re: #577 jamie
Believing that Obama is anything but opposed to Israel definitely takes a leap of faith. He strikes me to be about as pro-Israel is Rashid Khalidi or Edward Said.
It may seem in bad faith, but the face that the media, academia et al has put on people like Khalidi and many others as being 'moderates' when they are anything but has created an air of mistrust.
If people like Khalidi are moderates, and CAIR is respectable, then the same people painting Obama as pro-Israel or even a moderate isn't going to buy the man a lot of credentials from where I stand.
He already has stated that he believes that the Israeli's have a viable peace partner in the Palestinian Arabs, and that he intends to be involved in the process. Even if he is pro-Israel, he is at best a well-meaning but ultimately dangerous fool.
On the lighter side of paranoia, Communists strike out against fictional treason.
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nonic Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:23:56am |
Come to think of it, I guess the Lithuanian DIL can't vote. She's not a citizen. I think she has a green card, but they don't vote, right?
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:25:15am |
re: #592 nonic
Come to think of it, I guess the Lithuanian DIL can't vote. She's not a citizen. I think she has a green card, but they don't vote, right?
Not unless they're one of Obama's relatives...
;-)
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laZardo Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:25:55am |
re: #590 littleoldlady
My mom suggested that perhaps life would be easier if I moved back to America under an Obama presidency, as "we'd be starting from the bottom."
I would unfortunately be inclined to agree. I only have about $3,000 across all my accounts and there's no way I'd be able to complete my education in the States unless I worked 'till I'm 30. Art school scholarships are fairly scarce for my major...and even worse, if I finish my Bachelor's here, the well will be bone dry for Graduate Studies, made worse with higher course costs.
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whiterasta Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:27:06am |
re: #593 littleoldlady
Do any of Obama's relatives have a Green Card?
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little blessing Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:27:14am |
re: #586 littleoldlady
In Brief:
Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch has accepted VB back on his blogroll. We all know that Charles has found them to be far right,Neo-nazis etc. As a result Charles has removed Jihad Watch from LGF's blogroll and is understandably upset with the man whom he once considered a good friend.
In the meantime, we had all kinds of people post derogatory comments about Charles or more conspiracy theories about Obama (especially the ones Charles has continuously said not to post) which got them deleted or banned.
On top of all that we had and ID/Evolution thread which seems to bring out some outlandish comments.
Me thinks it has been a long day but I still love LGF!
re: #589 BlueCanuck
What you don't know can't hurt you!
/Why do you think I like Red so much?
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:27:19am |
re: #594 laZardo
laZardo! :-)
You should do it. In a few years we'll all be sitting with you...on the bottom.
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wahabicorridor Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:28:28am |
re: #590 littleoldlady
wahabi! :-)
My daughter tells me that a couple of weeks ago her campus was exuberantly OBAMA! Now she says it's realllllll quiet.
I figured that some of those kids got calls from mom and dad explaining where their tuition money comes from. ;-)
As someone I greatly admire often says YOU BETCHA!
hey, do you know what I learned yesterday - and I don't know why I hadn't figured this out sooner - goddess is in western Penna - and she knows Uniontown! And Hopwood too!
Ahh, we Pennsylvania girls...............
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:28:33am |
Good Morning LGF.
Hmmm, I wonder where these tire marks on my ass came from. LOL.
Got faith in those PUMAs and independents?
Looks like I'll have to be a Believer, at least until Tuesday night!
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little blessing Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:28:33am |
re: #594 laZardo
On the other hand, with Professors like Ayers you are better off without that education!
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tappin52 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:29:12am |
re: #588 wahabicorridor
My daughter-in-law is Korean. She and another Korean girl were adopted and brought back to the USA in the 70's. She is a girly girl and my son loves her to death. She is a high school math teacher an voting McCain.
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:29:32am |
re: #595 whiterasta
Come to think of it...all I know about is the illegal immigrant aunt in Boston and the half-brother living in a box in Kenya.
Oh, and the communist cousin whose followers burned down a church full of people.
/man. I thought MY family was dysfunctional! ;-)
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:29:58am |
re: #596 little blessing
re: #589 BlueCanuckWhat you don't know can't hurt you!
/Why do you think I like Red so much?
The same reasons I do? He grows on you, and deep down you know he will back you against all that would stand against you if he believes in you.
/he may be experienced but his heart is in the right place
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laZardo Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:30:04am |
re: #600 little blessing
If I took Political Science or any Socially-related major. (;
Unfortunately, I'm looking toward Transportation Design, which I am told by The One would probably require me to spread the wealth around if I do make it.
/great, I get fucked either way... D:
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:30:32am |
re: #596 little blessing
WOW. This election isn't doing much for MY nerves.
/and I know I'm not alone...
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nonic Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:30:42am |
re: #588 wahabicorridor
LOL !
She's a wonderful girl. Very smart (getting an advanced degree in bio-medical engineering) and sweet as can be. But her parents, who both have their own businesses (hard workers) were so against her dating a non-Korean boy that the kids had to wait 4 years before my son could even meet the parents. I ASSUME we'll be invited to the wedding, but I'm not buying my dress ahead of time! LOL
And it's funny, because my son is an accountant and finishing law school. They couldn't FIND a son in law with better prospects. :-)
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wahabicorridor Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:30:52am |
re: #594 laZardo
My mom suggested that perhaps life would be easier if I moved back to America under an Obama presidency, as "we'd be starting from the bottom."
Ok, you lost me. How is 'starting from the bottom' a good thing?
And where are you living now, if you don't mind my asking?
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:31:44am |
re: #598 wahabicorridor
Probably knows Uniontown better than I do! :-)
/last time I was there I was 11 years old
//and I had a vicious case of strep throat so I didn't enjoy myself much
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little blessing Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:31:55am |
re: #604 laZardo
If it happens, you won't be alone.
Give my regards to the US Embassy down there. Thanks for all the help with Little One's SSN!
/All our stuff gets processed in Manila
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laZardo Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:32:41am |
re: #608 wahabicorridor
Still living and taking college in Manila. I'd really like to move back to the States before I finish my Bachelor's, so I can at least tap into the financial aid well a bit. I'd be too old to get a summer job (since they usually go for freshly-graduated high schoolers), so I've got a rather narrow window of opportunity.
By "starting from the bottom" I mean me and my mom will have to bunk with relatives until we can get the resources to bring the rest of my family (including 2 American citizen younger brothers) back over. I'm still going through the petitioning process, since neither of my parents are American citizens or permanent residents.
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:33:43am |
re: #604 laZardo
If I took Political Science or any Socially-related major. (;
Unfortunately, I'm looking toward Transportation Design, which I am told by The One would probably require me to spread the wealth around if I do make it.
/great, I get fucked either way... D:
Hey! You'd be one of the few of us with a JOB.
/sure, a government job, but a job nonetheless...
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wahabicorridor Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:35:34am |
re: #607 nonic
I hired a really brilliant Korean guy, Yong. His family came here when he was about 11. His father deserted the family 3 years later and he supported his mother. He was absolutely devoted to her as you can imagine. But dating drove him nuts. His mother wanted a Korean girl because tradition in that culture mandates his mom would be taken care of. But Yong could not find a Korean girl in America with those values. I left the company years ago and never learned how he worked it out - if he did.
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wahabicorridor Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:37:53am |
re: #611 laZardo
Ah, ok, got it. jeez, rock, meet hard place.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:38:12am |
re: #612 littleoldlady
Probably a job with a mandatory-unionized auto company. Meaning I'd fear 'card check day.'
Anyhoo, dinner. BBL.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:39:07am |
re: #614 wahabicorridor
The cherry on the cake is that I'm most likely to wind up with relatives in Seattle if I move back.
/I know I can do it, I know I can do it...I know I can do it...
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bp sf Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:40:28am |
Good Morning!
It is going to be a wonderful day.
NY Giants game @ 4:15 is the start of my 3 day drunk binge; ending in a Victory Celebration early Wednesday.
This one will be super sweet. L'chaim!
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nonic Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:41:41am |
re: #602 littleoldlady
There's another brother or cousin (I think brother) living on the dole in London.
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Scion9 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:42:21am |
re: #602 littleoldlady
Oh, and the communist cousin whose followers burned down a church full of people.
They aren't cousings. Odinga and Obama Sr. were from the same 'tribe' but they aren't related.
And LaZardo, don't be so sure that Obama is going to help out those on 'the bottom' so much. You don't need to go deep into economics, but if Obama starts making college or anything else 'more affordable' by way of tax credits and government scholarships, it will only promote spending in those areas to gain the new benefits. Demand will increase for a limited and selective commodity, meaning the price will go up.
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tappin52 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:43:17am |
re: #620 nonic
Doesn't everyone live on the dole in London? Except Madonna, of course.
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:43:19am |
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nonic Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:47:14am |
re: #613 wahabicorridor
Yeah, my son told me that his fiancee has promised her mother she can live with them in her old age. I said that's fine -- she and I can share a room and keep each other company. :-)
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bp sf Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:47:19am |
#623
Good Morning, littleoldlady!
NJ going GOP is unlikely. I ask for the R ballot at the polling place (Senior Center); it's like an old EF Hutton commercial...the room goes silent and I get those glaring looks!
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:47:21am |
re: #621 Scion9
I thought on the tape I saw Odinga himself said they were "cousins"? Maybe it's like saying "lansmen"?
/I sit corrected then. :-)
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Jamie Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:47:45am |
re: #591 Scion9
He already has stated that he believes that the Israeli's have a viable peace partner in the Palestinian Arabs, and that he intends to be involved in the process. Even if he is pro-Israel, he is at best a well-meaning but ultimately dangerous fool.
His voting record leads me to question the idea of him being anti-Israel--he has never run afoul of the pro-Israel community in the Senate. As for the peace process, his comments aren't that different from President Bush, who I think we can agree is quite pro-Israel. In any event, I was referring to the idea that Obama is anti-Semitic, which is, in my opinion, absurd. Anti-Israel is a matter of interpretation, I suppose.
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:48:55am |
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nonic Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:49:24am |
re: #626 bp sf
#623
Good Morning, littleoldlady!
NJ going GOP is unlikely. I ask for the R ballot at the polling place (Senior Center); it's like an old EF Hutton commercial...the room goes silent and I get those glaring looks!
Not out here in Morris County. And I used to live in Warren County where I don't think they know what a Democrat IS.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:50:46am |
re: #627 littleoldlady
/I sit corrected then. :-)
I thought you were sitting already.
/duck and covers.
//Had to, red isn't here. ;)
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:51:35am |
At this time of day I can get all the news I need from the weather report...especially if it's a good one!
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wahabicorridor Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:54:45am |
The newspapers have arrived, Hubby and the Fat Beagle have arisen and daylight impends.
I'm outta here
/is 'impends' a word?
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:55:24am |
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Panhandler Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:56:52am |
As the sun begins to peek over the horizon on the Gulf Coast I think of a quote by Theodore Roosevelt -
The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.
Theodore Roosevelt
Already voted, had to show ID, Florida uses a paper trail electronic now. By the way, the Panhandle is McCain country.
Didn't check, did the time change give us 2 Fruitcup issues? Is there any left because I already finished the Halloween leftovers.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:57:01am |
re: #635 littleoldlady
*snicker* Had to think there a minute didn't you? *evil grin*
/always make them second guess themselves. . . . .
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laZardo Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:57:06am |
re: #619 tappin52
What's crazy is I still consider my birth city as "home."
Especially since my real (nick)name is...
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rancher Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:57:08am |
Rustler back in the saddle just got some time to peruse the new comments since i started around the house and hah. You all(RW anyway) thought i was being overly optimistic to think McCain had a shot in Cali
: P
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:58:19am |
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KB55 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 3:58:32am |
Mornin' & Howdy, Lizaaaarrrrds!
I am still Joe
/do you think they'll buy the forced exuberance and elation?
/no
/should I link it?
/no
/i'm gonna to anyway
[Link: townhall.com...]
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:00:24am |
re: #636 Panhandler
Panhandler! :-)
Yes. We had international fruitcup at 4 and East Coast fruitcup at (what they're trying to convince us is) 5 am.
/you'll have to find it yourself, tho...
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Panhandler Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:00:32am |
re: #640 BlueCanuck
My "trickle up" economic package if The One gets in.
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nonic Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:01:18am |
Well, folks, y'all have a good day. See ya another time. :-)
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Dar ul Harb Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:01:23am |
re: #503 arizona9
I wonder how much of that Affleck wrote. LOL!
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laZardo Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:02:28am |
re: #621 Scion9
They aren't cousings. Odinga and Obama Sr. were from the same 'tribe' but they aren't related.
And LaZardo, don't be so sure that Obama is going to help out those on 'the bottom' so much. You don't need to go deep into economics, but if Obama starts making college or anything else 'more affordable' by way of tax credits and government scholarships, it will only promote spending in those areas to gain the new benefits. Demand will increase for a limited and selective commodity, meaning the price will go up.
Meaning...even higher tuition!? So...unless I can catch up in the first two years or so...
/excuse me while I pass out
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:03:35am |
Too bad SNL didn't have a better actor last night, a whole bunch of people could have done a better "bathtub boy". That being said, it was funny.
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Occasional Reader Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:05:06am |
Back in the US
Back in the US
Back in the USSA
Didj'all miss me?
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rancher Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:06:07am |
Popping smoke I'm out tho be safe all and keep the TV's off till Nov 4th lol just gonna get depressed otherwise
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:06:22am |
I did like the QVC bit though. John McCain was very funny. My favorite was the ten "Town Hall Commemorative Plates". Thought that was funny.
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Dar ul Harb Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:06:48am |
re: #650 Occasional Reader
Enjoyed the weather report from Argentina.
Glad you got back here in time to vote.
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KB55 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:06:54am |
re: #650 Occasional Reader
Howdy, Comrade!
/man, that leaves a bad taste in my mouth, bleccht
//then don't say it
/gotta get used to sometime
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Occasional Reader Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:08:04am |
re: #654 Dar ul Harb
Enjoyed the weather report from Argentina.
Glad you got back here in time to vote.
Vote? Is there some sort of election coming up? Oh, you mean American Idol.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:08:52am |
re: #656 Occasional Reader
Screw that. America's Next Top Hooker Model will change our destinies as we know it.
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Occasional Reader Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:09:04am |
re: #651 laZardo
/and sees what you did there
What I did where?
It was already like that when I got here. Whatever it is. I swear it.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:10:02am |
re: #658 Occasional Reader
It might be after 20 January 2009.
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Occasional Reader Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:10:05am |
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:10:19am |
Later nonic, rancher's son. Welcome OR FBV.
/looks like the day shift is waking from the long slumber.
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:10:53am |
Occasional Reader! :-)
WE MISSED YOU! So glad you're back! :-)
Where were you?
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Occasional Reader Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:11:32am |
re: #654 Dar ul Harb
Enjoyed the weather report from Argentina.
Of the weather, I cannot complain. It was spectacular.
Buenos Aires should be a great city. But it needs a thorough scrubbing.
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Occasional Reader Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:12:37am |
re: #661 Dar ul Harb
Fundamental Redistributive Change™.
I will spread my wealth when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.
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Geepers Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:13:11am |
Michelle & Barack insist police remain out of sight, out of mind
...members of the Calhoun County Sheriff’s Department, Michigan State Police, (me included) and other local agencies inside Calhoun County
are working with Secret Service in the security of Mr. Obama. Mr. Obama’s bus arrives in Battle Creek and pulls into the stadium area. Before Mr. Obama exits the bus, he has the Secret Service get off and tell all Law Enforcement personnel in uniform that they now have to stand behind the bus so Mr. Obama is not seen with anyone in a Law Enforcement uniform before he gets off or while in the public view....everyone from Michigan State Police, Sheriff’s Deptments and other agencies look at each other for a brief second, go and stand behind the bus out of sight so Mr. Obama does not have to see, or been seen with, what to him is `undesirables’ since he refuses to been seen or even acknowledge Military or Law Enforcement personnel in uniform. And he wants to be our commander-in- chief!
Billy Ayres must be proud.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:13:54am |
re: #662 BlueCanuck
Got an extra hour of nightmares last night. Whew. Glad to wake up in the light though.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:14:24am |
re: #660 Occasional Reader
No, but as long as I don't see any of Charlie's Angels on it, judges OR competitors, American society should weather this crisis.
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Occasional Reader Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:14:43am |
re: #666 Dar ul Harb
Riding the pampas with the vaqueros?
Bitter vaqueros, who cling to their armas and religión.
But no, I was with the city slickers in this visit.
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Dar ul Harb Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:14:48am |
re: #665 Occasional Reader
I will spread my wealth when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.
What, that's not Change You Can Believe In™?
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Occasional Reader Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:16:27am |
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laZardo Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:16:45am |
re: #665 Occasional Reader
I will spread my wealth when they pry it
from my cold, dead hands.between my legs.
/painfully fix'd
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Scion9 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:17:01am |
re: #667 Geepers
That was debunked. It was from a chain email by a "Jason Kern", and the MSP came out saying that there is no such officer by that name working for them.
[Link: www.michigan.gov...]
According to the link, it isn't even a case of 'fake but accurate'.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:17:14am |
re: #667 Geepers
Whoa. I am just shocked! Shocked I tells ya!
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Occasional Reader Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:17:47am |
re: #666 Dar ul Harb
Riding the pampas
I don't know about riding the pampas, but I wouldn't turn down an offer to ride Pampita.
[google it if you must]
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KB55 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:18:15am |
re: #667 Geepers
Don't worry, Geepers, when he gets in, he won't need now stickin' law enforcement, he have a "National Civilian Security Force"
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Dar ul Harb Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:19:02am |
re: #677 Occasional Reader
I don't know about riding the pampas, but I wouldn't turn down an offer to ride Pampita.
[google it if you must]
Well, that woke me up!
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Occasional Reader Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:19:14am |
On my flight back, I did have an interesting conversation with a conservative European who finds Obama scary. So there are still sane Europeans, apparently... at least a few.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:19:27am |
re: #678 KB55
Don't worry, Geepers, when he gets in, he won't need now stickin' law enforcement, he have a "National Civilian Security Force"
Can we please just call the NCSF, "The Thought Police"? That's what they'll be used for.
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yma o hyd Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:20:24am |
Good morning/afternoon/evening/night, Lizard Nation!
I hope you all enjoyed your extra hour in bed today!
On a more sombre note, here is the link to a story in today's Sunday Edition of The Times, London.
This shows in exemplary fashion why Charles, the Lizard King, was right to ban any discussion of it from lgf!
Now I'll do some trhead diving ...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:20:33am |
Gotta get ready for Church. Gonna pray real hard.
Pastor is a Lib though. But doesn't talk about it at church. I like it that way.
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tappin52 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:21:26am |
re: #667 Geepers
I read that a day or two ago. I'm amazed that Obama's bus wheels even touch the ground anymore.
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Dar ul Harb Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:22:52am |
Well, the Harbitas are up, so time to make breakfast.
Hasta luego...
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tappin52 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:24:10am |
re: #685 Dar ul Harb
Well, the Harbitas are up, so time to make breakfast.
Hasta luego...
Harbitas? Is that family?
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KB55 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:24:11am |
re: #681 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That, and tracking down all the guns and relieving the "other" law enforcement of theirs. Can anyone say, SS?
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Occasional Reader Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:24:19am |
re: #678 KB55
Don't worry, Geepers, when he gets in, he won't need now stickin' law enforcement, he have a "National Civilian Security Force"
I still think this was a throwaway quote from Barry, and he didn't really know what the heck he was saying. He has made no further efforts to flesh out anything remotely like a "national civilian security force", AFAIK, and it's not the sort of thing you could do without anyone noticing.
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arizona9 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:25:47am |
People, tune into MSNBC right now. Joe S is ripping Obama's most recent, I-Hate-America comment.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:26:04am |
re: #682 yma o hyd
Wait...so the Obama-Ayers points are no longer valid?
/state of confusion, sorry...
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Occasional Reader Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:26:41am |
re: #687 KB55
That, and tracking down all the guns and relieving the "other" law enforcement of theirs. Can anyone say, SS?
Oh, come one. Look, do I think an Obama adminstation would try to do end runs around the 2nd Amendment? Yes, just like Clinton did. But Obama "SS" stripping guns from cops? Please.
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tappin52 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:26:59am |
re: #688 Occasional Reader
Since he has mentioned it more than once, I doubt it is a throw away issue. More likely, he is keeping it less discussed until he tries to implement it. Then he can claim to have been up front about it.
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KB55 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:27:02am |
re: #688 Occasional Reader
With Congress and PelosiReid, why do you think he's going to worry about anyone "noticing"? They're going to consider this election as a referendum on the liberal/social need for change.
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:27:21am |
re: #689 arizona9
People, tune into MSNBC right now
I'd rather stick toothpicks into my eyes.
Good day, ALL!™
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Occasional Reader Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:28:10am |
re: #690 laZardo
Wait...so the Obama-Ayers points are no longer valid?
/state of confusion, sorry...
The article only specifically purports to debunk the "Ayers ghostwrote Dreams From My Father" point. But without question Obama and Ayers have had other links, for a very long time. Oh, but Barry says he's "just some guy in my neighborhood", so I guess it's all okay!
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Occasional Reader Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:29:05am |
re: #692 tappin52
Since he has mentioned it more than once,
I am only aware of the one quote, in his speech from (?) July about "volunteerism" (or national service or whatever you want to call it).
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:29:14am |
re: #694 littleoldlady
Bye littleoldlady, see you tomorrow.
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arizona9 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:30:20am |
re: #694 littleoldlady
I'd rather stick toothpicks into my eyes.
Good day, ALL!™
I hear you but it is so rare to hear Obama ripped being for the smug, arrogant ass that he is. Tucker is also on the panel.
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Occasional Reader Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:30:44am |
Gah, I'm hearing The One's voice on airport t.v. monitors (perpetually tuned to CNN, naturally)... I'm sick of his voice already. Let's not have to listen to it for the next four years. MCCAIN/PALIN.
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KB55 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:30:50am |
re: #691 Occasional Reader
OR, I am NOT a conspriatorial guy, never have been, but I have listened to all of "nuanced" satements and as tappin points out, it ain't just once, and I think these guys let slip what's really coming because the WIN is inevitable--just to point, Richardson's $120K on taxes--oops, I wasn't s'pose to say that. Where did it come form then. BTW, Richardson should've been BHO's VP pick, not Biden.
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Occasional Reader Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:31:25am |
re: #689 arizona9
People, tune into MSNBC right now. Joe S is ripping Obama's most recent, I-Hate-America comment.
What was Obama's comment? (Been a little out of it news-wise here.)
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arizona9 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:31:58am |
re: #699 Occasional Reader
Gah, I'm hearing The One's voice on airport t.v. monitors (perpetually tuned to CNN, naturally)... I'm sick of his voice already. Let's not have to listen to it for the next four years. MCCAIN/PALIN.
I was talking about that very thing earlier. I hate the man's voice. Every time he comes on, I'm lunging for the remote.
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tappin52 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:32:11am |
re: #696 Occasional Reader
I am only aware of the one quote, in his speech from (?) July about "volunteerism" (or national service or whatever you want to call it).
He mentioned it again in his infomercial.
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KB55 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:32:49am |
re: #696 Occasional Reader
Then you didn't hear this in June--this has nothing to do with his "Voluteerism"
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Occasional Reader Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:33:06am |
re: #700 KB55
and as tappin points out, it ain't just once,
If there was a reference to the National Civilian Security Force idea in anything other than that one speech, please point me to it. I am not aware of any other reference. He has blathered about "volunteerism" a lot, but that's hardly the same thing as "armed goons with a half-trillion dollar budget".
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whiterasta Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:33:33am |
re: #699 Occasional Reader
There is a reader here who carries a universal remote with him and then changes the channel from CNN to Fox......
BWWWWAAAHAHAHAH!
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yochanan Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:34:46am |
what to expect from a obama government
will it be an incompetent liberal government like jimmy carter or will it be a euro socialist state or maybe worse? FRANKLY I DON'T KNOW. and I don't want any of it.
On the military front will the Iranian islmo fascists try to finish the job that they started under the incompetent govt of jimmy carter?
IRAN WITH A NUKE IS MY BIGGEST WORRY WHO EVER IS PRESIDENT AT LEAST JOHN MCCAIN KNOWS WHAT A MILITARY IS FOR AND WOULD MAKE A GREAT COMMANDER IN CHIEF.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:34:47am |
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Occasional Reader Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:35:18am |
re: #705 KB55
Then you didn't hear this in June--this has nothing to do with his "Voluteerism"
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
Um... no, that's the speech I was referring to. AFAIK, the only time he has specifically mentioned that idea. If it was specifically referred to in the infomercial (which I did not watch), I stand corrected. But while I worry about plenty of things about a potentional Obama administration, an armed "SS" isn't one of them. The American people would not stand for it. It would never get off the ground.
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Occasional Reader Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:36:25am |
re: #709 BlueCanuck
Oh that is just plain evil.
/wonder how he got it past security.
Security wouldn't care. It's not a weapon or a potential weapon. Ooh, but I like the idea...!
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Occasional Reader Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:37:42am |
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KB55 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:38:00am |
re: #710 Occasional Reader
I would say the same, OR, and I hope you're right--this guy is Svengali, so many would believe it was necessary to instill peace among us.
I pray thta you are right, but blind lemmings typically don't care which cliff they run off of.
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Occasional Reader Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:39:46am |
re: #708 yochanan.
IRAN WITH A NUKE IS MY BIGGEST WORRY
Bush would redeem a lot of his mistakes in my eyes if he delivered ordnance onto Natanz, Buseshr et al before leaving office.
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ibmkeyboard Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:40:21am |
Bambi has now stated that he will change the world.
I always wondered if God might be a black man?
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MandyManners Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:40:27am |
re: #688 Occasional Reader
I still think this was a throwaway quote from Barry, and he didn't really know what the heck he was saying. He has made no further efforts to flesh out anything remotely like a "national civilian security force", AFAIK, and it's not the sort of thing you could do without anyone noticing.
[Link: www.investors.com...]
[Link: www.publicallies.org...]
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arizona9 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:40:40am |
He said something to the effect that because Iowa voted for him in the primary-marking his comeback- it vindicated his faith in the country. Cause you know, if we aren't validating his awesomeness, we suck. It's a statement oh so similar to his wifey's about not being proud and all that. Joe was beside himself. Lib toadie Carney jumped in to try and explain away His Arrogance's true meaning but Joe was having none of it.
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Occasional Reader Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:41:11am |
re: #714 KB55
I would say the same, OR, and I hope you're right--this guy is Svengali, so many would believe it was necessary to instill peace among us.
I pray thta you are right, but blind lemmings typically don't care which cliff they run off of.
So do I get extra points for inventing the word "potentional"?
(overnight flight, no sleep... excuse!)
Out for now. Take care, y'all.
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arizona9 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:42:12am |
Jesus, even the editor of Newsweek is calling the statement arrogant. But Mark thinks that arrogance and ego is a good thing. Jesus.
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yochanan Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:42:41am |
IOWA did not vote for him democrats in iowa voted for him.
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KB55 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:43:18am |
re: #719 Occasional Reader
Sweet dreams, OR, may they all be about large breasted women. (Princess Bride, before anyone jumps on me)
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arizona9 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:44:53am |
They are still discussing it right now on MSNBC. Hold your nose and mute the troll Shrummy, but several on the panel are ripping Obama.
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Spirit93 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:44:57am |
Stole this from the links (ht Spellcheck), highly recommended:
OBAMA TELLS SAN FRANCISCO HE WILL BANKRUPT THE COAL INDUSTRY
Here's the LGF link page if you want to leave a comment:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/link/104313
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laZardo Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:46:19am |
re: #715 Occasional Reader
I'm reminded of "Bloody T-Shirt Guy" for some reason. A long time ago someone suggested he should be the new "Che face".
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NC State of Mind Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:46:30am |
What in the bloody hell happened to Peggy Noonan?
The race, the case, a hope for grace.
The Wall Street Journal: October 29, 2008The case for Barack Obama, in broad strokes:
He has within him the possibility to change the direction and tone of American foreign policy, which need changing; his rise will serve as a practical rebuke to the past five years, which need rebuking; his victory would provide a fresh start in a nation in which a fresh start would come as a national relief. He climbed steep stairs, born off the continent with no father to guide, a dreamy, abandoning mother, mixed race, no connections. He rose with guts and gifts. He is steady, calm, and, in terms of the execution of his political ascent, still the primary and almost only area in which his executive abilities can be discerned, he shows good judgment in terms of whom to hire and consult, what steps to take and moves to make. We witnessed from him this year something unique in American politics: He took down a political machine without raising his voice.
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KB55 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:48:35am |
She wen with Chris re: #726 NC State of Mind
She went with Chris (my dad was the real Conservative) Buckley and all the other elite Repubs into the KoolAde jungle.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:50:26am |
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ibmkeyboard Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:50:37am |
re: #726 NC State of Mind
We witnessed from him this year something unique in American politics: He took down a political machine without raising his voice.
He had nothing to do with the Clinton machine.
We the people did that.
And his failure to pick Hillary shows his arrogance.
If not for the market meltdowns,
he would not even be close.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:52:47am |
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lawhawk Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:54:00am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. The NYT runs this headline without any sense of history, irony - or what it actually means. There's a reason that Obama has to win states that President Bush won four years ago.
Bush won the election 4 years ago.
Kerry didn't.
That simple, seemingly insignificant fact to the NYT undermines the whole rationale for the story. Bush grabbed enough states with enough electoral votes to win. If Obama simply held on to the states that Kerry won in 2004 and nothing more, Obama loses.
Obama HAS to campaign in states that Bush won in 2004. It also means that McCain has to defend states that Bush won in 2004, because if he holds those states, HE wins.
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KB55 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:54:07am |
re: #730 BlueCanuckOops, sorry--you are correct; my apologies. But one goes with the other doesn't it?
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:54:14am |
Anyone seen Cornell West on CNN.
The guy is totally wired - I can't believe he is for real.
If he doesn't convince the PUMAs and indies to vote McCain then noone can./
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MandyManners Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:56:31am |
re: #733 Spare O'Lake
Anyone seen Cornell West on CNN.
The guy is totally wired - I can't believe he is for real.
If he doesn't convince the PUMAs and indies to vote McCain then noone can./
Too much Kenyan roast?
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:57:51am |
re: #732 KB55
Hmmm, you are right there. But I can be a bit of a stickler for quotes. ;)
/especially since I mangle a few myself.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:59:13am |
re: #735 His Royal Highness
Shame on us!
I didn't sign up and start reading this site to be a soldier in an anti-intellectual party with no ideas for the future. I thought conservatism has ideas for making this country a better place, not simply re-stating failed ideas of the past. I certainly do not agree (and neither does Charles it seems) with party policy which states that the earth is less than 6000 years old. What, in G-d's name, has happened to our party?
Where pray tell does it state that in the RNC platform?
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NC State of Mind Sun, Nov 2, 2008 4:59:16am |
re: #733 Spare O'Lake
Anyone seen Cornell West on CNN.
The guy is totally wired - I can't believe he is for real.
If he doesn't convince the PUMAs and indies to vote McCain then noone can./
Heh. Cornell West. I've seen him on Real Time with Bill Maher twice, most recently this past Friday night. He certainly is a weird, jumpy character, that's for sure.
On a side note, John Legend was on the panel with Cornell West and he was challenged that we do not need to redistribute wealth. He replied, that's the whole purpose of taxes, to redistribute money, that's why they were created.
John Legend and Cornell West together, why the hell did I watch that?
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:00:57am |
re: #735 His Royal Highness
Registered since: Dec 3, 2007 at 2:43 pm
No. of comments posted: 16
No. of links posted: 0
/*sniff sniff*
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ibmkeyboard Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:01:19am |
From a newspaper out west.
This paper has had a longstanding policy of not publishing letters-to-the-editor addressing political contests the day before and day of the election.
We are applying that same moratorium to comments on election stories beginning Sunday. We will apply the moratorium on older stories as well.
The rationale for the policy is two-fold: Give voters time to cool down and reflect on the choices they will make on Tuesday; and, avoid playing a role in influencing voters by posting possible false, last-minute attacks on candidates.
Thanks for your participation and don't forget to vote.
/interesting
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MandyManners Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:01:40am |
re: #738 NC State of Mind
Heh. Cornell West. I've seen him on Real Time with Bill Maher twice, most recently this past Friday night. He certainly is a weird, jumpy character, that's for sure.
On a side note, John Legend was on the panel with Cornell West and he was challenged that we do not need to redistribute wealth. He replied, that's the whole purpose of taxes, to redistribute money, that's why they were created.
John Legend and Cornell West together, why the hell did I watch that?
I thought taxes were instituted to do things that individuals could not do alone, such as building infrastructure and supporting the modern military.
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scion9 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:02:14am |
re: #735 His Royal Highness
For the record while I actually do like some of your music, I have never purchased one of your albums, nor do I support your political ideology/methods, Moby.
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MandyManners Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:02:15am |
re: #740 BlueCanuck
Registered since: Dec 3, 2007 at 2:43 pm
No. of comments posted: 16
No. of links posted: 0
/*sniff sniff*
More like a Moby, trying to out-conservative us?
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His Royal Highness Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:02:26am |
re: #737 BlueCanuck
Too many members of our party state as this policy ( like Sarah Palin) or a variant of it. Doing so is unacceptable to me - it makes us look absurd and entirely bereft of new ideas. I cannot understand why this has come about - we used to be the party of new and fresh ideas and now we're mouthing the words of holy rollers. What has happened to us?
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AuldTrafford Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:03:24am |
re: #743 MandyManners
I thought taxes were instituted to do things that individuals could not do alone, such as building infrastructure and supporting the modern military.
Well, no one can redistribute all the wealth in this country by themselves, so what's the problem?
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His Royal Highness Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:04:01am |
re: #740 BlueCanuck
I rarely comment and don't mean to start a negative thread but I'm concerned about where we're going as a party.
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MandyManners Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:04:06am |
re: #748 AuldTrafford
Well, no one can redistribute all the wealth in this country by themselves, so what's the problem?
HA!
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Spirit93 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:04:10am |
re: #739 MandyManners
No. 1. Where in the GOP platform are anti-scientific, particularly that bit about the earth supposedly being 6,000 years old?
No. 2. What specifically has Palin said that shames you?
You forgot No. 3.
(Come on, we know you want to).
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:04:21am |
re: #734 MandyManners
Too much Kenyan roast?
The guy looks, sounds and moves like he just spent the night with his tongue in a light socket.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:04:22am |
re: #746 His Royal Highness
Really? I find that hard to believe. Yes there is a SMALL group of YEC out there, but I hardly believe that they make up the majorty of the GOP. If you have facts proving this please show us. Other wise piss off.
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KB55 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:04:49am |
re: #744 scion9
You mean the great "Moby", that one?
Wooow!
/who the hell is he?
//some kid that does wierd music
/like Zappa?
//yeah, waaay ahead of his time, like 2525
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:05:42am |
re: #749 His Royal Highness
Don't mean to start a negative thread? You the one dropping the turd in the punch bowl? Give it up.
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KB55 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:06:23am |
re: #746 His Royal Highness
Quit reading Koz & Huffie--she's never said anything about the earth being 6000 yrs old. Give me a link that quotes her.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:06:58am |
Is it just me? Or is there an unusual amount of scarce posters popping up all of a sudden?
/must be a full moon.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:08:27am |
Funny, half it's comments posted were this morning. An awful lot of mobyism going on it looks like.
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Spirit93 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:08:54am |
re: #757 BlueCanuck
Is it just me? Or is there an unusual amount of scarce posters popping up all of a sudden?
/must be a full moon.
ding! ding! ding! ding! ding!
It's not the moon though.
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KB55 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:09:05am |
re: #750 MandyManners
MM, He forgets that's with a Filibuster-proof senate and Dem/Lib ocntrolled congress, BHO can pass any law that he wants. Who can stop a legal process of law-making? Expecially, when his first action will be reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine--we will have no voice!
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jorline Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:09:44am |
re: #735 His Royal Highness
Sorry, I don't support wall flower, so called conservative, comments from people who pop out with two days left. Try contributing to LGF throughout the election process to gain any respect here...you appear to be part of the problem, not the solution. Back up your statements or wait another four months before posting again...I'm betting on a drive-by.
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His Royal Highness Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:10:16am |
re: #753 BlueCanuck
I'm truly sorry you want me to "piss off." I wanted to engage in a discussion here - one which is taking place in many conservative circles right now. I apologize if I said anything untoward this evening.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:10:34am |
re: #738 NC State of Mind
John Legend and Cornell West together, why the hell did I watch that?
I'm a masochist - what's your excuse?/
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KB55 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:11:48am |
re: #757 BlueCanuck
Sorry, BC, I find it hard to get in here during the week--things move so fast I haven't acquired the necessary ability in making sales calls and posting at the same time, but I do try to get in when I have time.
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KB55 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:13:25am |
re: #764 His Royal Highness
Give links to these Conservative Circles that are beating this up.
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jorline Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:16:21am |
Good morning, Blue...hope all is well for you today.
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His Royal Highness Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:16:32am |
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:17:19am |
re: #757 BlueCanuck
Is it just me? Or is there an unusual amount of scarce posters popping up all of a sudden?
/must be a full moon.
Too many Hallowe'en treats?
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yma o hyd Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:17:53am |
re: #690 laZardo
Wait...so the Obama-Ayers points are no longer valid?
/state of confusion, sorry...
Ahem - its the stupido attempt at text comparison, which not only is a waste of time, but, as you can see from the article I linked, a rather unscientific, if not dishonest attempt at linking those two.
For an outstainding example of how to do this properly, I refer you to Zomblog - see a few threads below!
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alkmyst Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:19:32am |
Just saw this, and it reverberated with me...
If America wants a black president, it would really be better if it was someone who is more like:
David Palmer from 24 (Honest, straight-up, man of action),
than like
Lando Calrissian from Empire Strikes Back (slick talker, sells out his friends for political gain)
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KB55 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:20:20am |
re: #769 His Royal Highness
Your links rest my case--Republican (NOT Conservative) Elite, he's gone with Chris & Peggy. Is there any place else?
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LoFlyer Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:20:25am |
Morning mates! Is it really 8:20 EST? Seems later for some reason!
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rancher Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:21:10am |
Rustler back, work got quiet but i see nothing about hte world being only 6000years old in either of those 2 articles. I only saw that Palin represents older conservatism while McCain is a Hamiltonian Conservative.
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Silhouette Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:21:36am |
re: #774 LoFlyer
And I was up at 5 because the hubby swore we were leaving at 7am to drive to Georgia. Hubby is only just now in the shower.
So, I play on the intertubes.
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yah Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:21:52am |
DON'T give him the traffic: [Link: hrhnick.com...]
His favorite store is Abercrombie and Fitch. Hope his are wet right now.
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LoFlyer Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:22:28am |
re: #772 alkmyst
Just saw this, and it reverberated with me...
If America wants a black president, it would really be better if it was someone who is more like:
David Palmer from 24 (Honest, straight-up, man of action),
than like
Lando Calrissian from Empire Strikes Back (slick talker, sells out his friends for political gain)
Haar mate! Lando came through when the chips were down! He knew what he was doing was wrong and made amends. No one is perfect, expecially me!
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LoFlyer Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:23:13am |
re: #776 Silhouette
And I was up at 5 because the hubby swore we were leaving at 7am to drive to Georgia. Hubby is only just now in the shower.
So, I play on the intertubes.
Where you headed to in Georgia, mate?
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buzzdroid Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:24:05am |
britain is broke.
and our prime minister has gone begging to the Saudis
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
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ThingFish Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:25:20am |
re: #772 alkmyst
It's amazing how much life advice one could get from a movie series...
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LoFlyer Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:25:49am |
re: #775 rancher
Rustler back, work got quiet but i see nothing about hte world being only 6000years old in either of those 2 articles. I only saw that Palin represents older conservatism while McCain is a Hamiltonian Conservative.
Morning Rustler! Like what do you do, hit your dad over the head and take over his keyboard? It will be really interesting on Wednesday morning when the vote is decided!
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yesandno Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:25:49am |
re: #50 sngnsgt
Found this @ DU:
Loved the click on the center window'--"Where's Russia?" And Joe the Curtain, Joe the Chair, etc..........
But she looks good, looks really good!
LOL
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Silhouette Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:25:58am |
re: #779 LoFlyer
Gainesville. But we're just in TN, so not much of a drive. Trying to decide if we want to go over the Smokies (to see the color) or take "The Dragon."
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His Royal Highness Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:26:43am |
re: #773 KB55
I'm confused. Anyone who disagrees with your opinion is no longer a conservative? Brooks has been with the movement for the past 25 years - he's not now simply abandoning the party.
Again - what is happening to us that when we try to engage in discussion the conversation is ended? How does this benefit anyone?
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3 wood Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:27:20am |
Obama says he didn't know aunt's illegal status
Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama said Saturday he didn't know his aunt was living in the United States illegally and believes that laws covering the situation should be followed.
The Associated Press found that Obama's aunt had been instructed to leave the country four years ago by an immigration judge who rejected her request for asylum from her native Kenya. The woman, Zeituni Onyango (zay-TUHN on-YANG-oh), is living in public housing in Boston and is the half-sister of Obama's late father.
A statement given to the AP by Obama's campaign said, ''Senator Obama has no knowledge of her status but obviously believes that any and all appropriate laws be followed.''
B. Hussein Obama also has no knowledge of his Reverend and spiritual advisor for 20 years being a racist anti-Semite and no knowledge of Bill Ayers being an unrepentant terrorist who killed people. He also has no knowledge of how to share his own wealth and help out his own family.
B. Hussein Obama does, however, have knowledge of how to take your wealth and give it to his supporters.
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rancher Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:27:59am |
Hell with this we need to write in a pirate with a ninja as his VP. And a Cyborg pirate ninja as Sec. Def. Then the entire world will be to scared to even think of messing with us. Rustler trying for wackjob theory of the year. Yar and if ya disagree ill keel haul you and hang you out to dry from your toes by the mizzen mast.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:28:20am |
re: #766 KB55
Nah, not talking about you. Threads in general over the past month.
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jorline Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:28:27am |
re: #769 His Royal Highness
Sorry?
David Brooks and his oped's in the New York Times is the support for your argument? Brooks use to lean to the right, but it appears he has tilted to the left of late. Probably when his view on the Iraq war changed.
David Brooks's column has appeared on the Op-Ed page of The New York Times since September 2003. He is also currently a commentator on "The Newshour with Jim Lehrer." Mr. Brooks is the author of "Bobos In Paradise: The New Upper Class and How They Got There" and “On Paradise Drive : How We Live Now (And Always Have) in the Future Tense,” both published by Simon & Schuster.
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yah Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:28:35am |
re: #772 alkmyst
David Palmer from 24 (Honest, straight-up, man of action),
But the First lady was a real nightmare.
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alien_mind Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:28:44am |
re: #769 His Royal Highness
care to try again?
I see no mention in these links to a party policy that states that the world is 6000 years old.
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rancher Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:29:34am |
Lol he leaves his account logged in occasionally and is bad enough with passwords that he leaves em about occasionally. Just waiting on the next open border day on LFG to grab my own nic : )
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LoFlyer Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:29:39am |
re: #783 yesandno
Loved the click on the center window'--"Where's Russia?" And Joe the Curtain, Joe the Chair, etc..........
But she looks good, looks really good!
LOL
Looks a hell of lot better than Biden, mate! And makes a lot more sense to boot. I get a hoot at some web site claiming to test your IQ, they have Biden at 146 and Palin at 116. Poor advertising for their site to say the least, mates!
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ThingFish Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:29:41am |
re: #786 3 wood
I think that he's shallow enough to not really look at anything deeply. Therefore, coasting along the coattails of others and developing incredible auditory skills to talk around any uncomfortable issue.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:29:47am |
re: #768 jorline
Moby's and trolls oh my. :)
/putting a stock up in the Super Secret Fridge™ for the lean times ahead.
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alkmyst Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:30:11am |
re: #778 LoFlyer
Haar mate! Lando came through when the chips were down! He knew what he was doing was wrong and made amends. No one is perfect, expecially me!
Well, if 0bama does win, I would hope to God he makes amends...
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yah Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:30:13am |
re: #785 His Royal Highness
Don't you need to go shopping for some new underware?
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LoFlyer Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:30:39am |
re: #784 Silhouette
Gainesville. But we're just in TN, so not much of a drive. Trying to decide if we want to go over the Smokies (to see the color) or take "The Dragon."
441 through the Smokies mate! Well worth the time!
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:31:04am |
re: #797 yah
Don't you need to go shopping for some new underware?
I hope it runs out of Cheetos soon.
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yma o hyd Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:31:07am |
re: #780 buzzdroid
britain is broke.
and our prime minister has gone begging to the Saudis[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
Don't forget to mention that half of what they give him (heh, this is a personal estimate!) will go on the gold-plated pensions for civil servants - the rest will be distributed between the CEOs of failed banks which Gord has taken over, so they can ahve their bonuses, and Africa.
Btw - earlier this year he gave 8oo million £££ as help to India, which is running their own space programme ...
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LoFlyer Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:32:00am |
re: #787 rancher
Hell with this we need to write in a pirate with a ninja as his VP. And a Cyborg pirate ninja as Sec. Def. Then the entire world will be to scared to even think of messing with us. Rustler trying for wackjob theory of the year. Yar and if ya disagree ill keel haul you and hang you out to dry from your toes by the mizzen mast.
LOL, mate! To many skeletons in the closet to pursue politics!
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3 wood Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:32:31am |
Here's some good news about the media:
Santa Rosa Press Democrat to cut newsroom jobs
SANTA ROSA, Calif.---- The Press Democrat of Santa Rosa is cutting 16 jobs, including 10 newsroom positions, to reduce expenses amid declining advertising and a deteriorating economy.
Publisher Bruce Kyse told employees Friday that the newspaper could not support as many employees because of the decline of classified advertising and the loss of retail advertisers such as Mervyns and Linens 'n Things.
After the cutbacks, the newsroom will have about 70 positions, down about 30 percent from its high four years ago.
The Press Democrat is owned by The New York Times Co.
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Wishing Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:33:34am |
re: #667 Geepers
First off, thank you for serving your community. Secondly, how can Americans be taken in by this hypocritical charlatan?
That thin blue line is protecting his skinny arse.
I despise this man fairy.
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KB55 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:33:46am |
re: #785 His Royal Highness
I'm confused. Anyone who disagrees with your opinion is no longer a conservative? Brooks has been with the movement for the past 25 years - he's not now simply abandoning the party.
Again - what is happening to us that when we try to engage in discussion the conversation is ended? How does this benefit anyone?
Well, it seems he and others are "abonding" the party when they succumb to the KoolAde side of the arguement. And as noted above, here still is no substance to your 6000 year BS. The Conservatives of the party are still with the movement--the Repucblican elite want the 2000 McCain with Leiberman for the moderate vote--those are not Conservatives.
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3 wood Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:33:48am |
re: #794 ThingFish
I think that he's shallow enough to not really look at anything deeply. Therefore, coasting along the coattails of others and developing incredible auditory skills to talk around any uncomfortable issue.
He's likle Sgt. Schultz of Hogan's Heroes. He know nothing. And his worshipers in the MSM support him in this delusion.
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yah Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:34:07am |
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Wishing Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:34:18am |
re: #784 Silhouette
Gainesville. But we're just in TN, so not much of a drive. Trying to decide if we want to go over the Smokies (to see the color) or take "The Dragon."
I am in the Smokies, and it is GORGEOUS!
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jorline Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:34:40am |
re: #803 3 wood
Here's some good news about the media:
Morning, 3 wood...it would appear liberal rags are feeling growth pains coast to coast.
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yma o hyd Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:34:47am |
re: #804 alkmyst
Does she remind you at all of Michelle 0bama?
Teeheehee - perhaps Michelle has studied her to learn how she should behave as First Lady!
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LoFlyer Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:35:26am |
re: #796 alkmyst
Well, if 0bama does win, I would hope to God he makes amends...
No chance of that mate! He will create his internal security service and proceed from there with the media suppresing all dissent just like they hammered poor Joe Plumber. Notice the treatment of Obama'a aunt compared to poor Plumber.
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rancher Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:36:17am |
Rofl Obama as SHultz. Thats a graet image he truely is shultz' foil in the looks department but comparing him to shultz in the brains dept is just being mean to poor Shultzy.
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loppyd Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:36:33am |
Good Morning, Lizard Nation!
Had a great time making calls for the McCain campaign up in NH yesterday.
There were about 30 people per shift which is very impressive for a rural campaign office.
My favorite call: A call to a man whose wife answers the phone. I asked to speak with him, he wasn't home so I told her who I was and why I was calling, etc. etc. She said he is a life-long Republican and will be voting McCain. Same with her son and same for her daughter who is voting for the first time this year. Then she tells me she is a life-long DEMOCRAT and she is VOTING McCAIN!
I think there are a lot of people just like her.
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LoFlyer Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:37:24am |
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rancher Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:38:22am |
Obama as Shultz was 3 woods idea its just when i read it i had a flash right outta Hogan's Heroes with obama getting yelled at.
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His Royal Highness Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:39:28am |
re: #797 yah
This is shameful. I'm a long-time Republican and a conservative. I cannot understand why, when bringing up an issue that is percolating through our party and will surface very publicly next weekend when we have a meeting of conservatives after the election, I'm being scapegoated here. This is really disturbing.
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scion9 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:39:32am |
re: #773 KB55
Your links rest my case--Republican (NOT Conservative) Elite, he's gone with Chris & Peggy. Is there any place else?
What is worse is that Brooks' stance is based on the position of the electorate (as based on polls) and his own position within an inadequately defined political spectrum. The country has shifted to the left apparently and he can't deal with himself being on the 'far right'. There is no principled belief in such a stance. Rejecting your own positions in response to the actions of your opposition is the very definition of reactionary, even if it is being done in the ironic attempt to avoid just such a label.
Personally, I'd rather be a 'moderate' in a country that had an even division between a range of political philosophies. I am however perfectly comfortable being a 'wingnut' instead, should the political winds shift to such a degree that I am made into one by the very virtue of sticking to my laurels.
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Geepers Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:39:44am |
His Royal Highness says:
I'm truly sorry you want me to "piss off." I wanted to engage in a discussion here - one which is taking place in many conservative circles right now.
Three moby clichés in two sentences.
Pretty good.
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Wishing Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:39:47am |
re: #816 LoFlyer
Where are you hangin' mate?
I am over in NE TN, Appalachian Trail runs though my county.
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LoFlyer Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:40:13am |
re: #817 rancher
Obama as Shultz was 3 woods idea its just when i read it i had a flash right outta Hogan's Heroes with obama getting yelled at.
Obama is no Shultz, he is not the "commen man" but I can definately see some Col. Klink in him!
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ziggyelman Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:40:49am |
re: #800 yma o hyd
Don't forget to mention that half of what they give him (heh, this is a personal estimate!) will go on the gold-plated pensions for civil servants - the rest will be distributed between the CEOs of failed banks which Gord has taken over, so they can ahve their bonuses, and Africa.
Btw - earlier this year he gave 8oo million £££ as help to India, which is running their own space programme ...
Just amazing. The kind of crap we will see from Obama, only moreso.
This article is from the BBC, and they also mention....
The PM visited the "correctional" centre, on the outskirts of the capital Riyadh, where inmates are encouraged to re-engage with mainstream Saudi society through religious and psychological education.
The men Mr Brown spoke to are suspected of backing terrorist organisations, not being directly responsible for violent acts.
The BBC's James Landale, who is travelling with Mr Brown, said it was a highly unusual moment for a world leader to come face to face with terrorist suspects.
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LoFlyer Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:41:16am |
re: #822 Wishing
I am over in NE TN, Appalachian Trail runs though my county.
Wish I was there, mate!
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Wishing Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:41:16am |
re: #823 LoFlyer
Obama is no Shultz, he is not the "commen man" but I can definately see some Col. Klink in him!
ZACKLY!
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LoFlyer Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:43:11am |
re: #827 alkmyst
It definitely seems that way...
Ok - time to start the work day!Later Lizards!
Later Alky!
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rancher Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:43:22am |
Lol actually in the image flashing before my Eyes Michelle was in the position of Klink.
And HRH your not getting Scapegoated you made an outrageous claim about Conservatives believing earth was 6000 years old and Palin beleived it yet when asked to provide some proof to substantiate your claim you produced fluff. This rightly earns you the flaming you received.
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alien_mind Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:43:31am |
I'd say Obama is the vain incompetent Col Klink, and the no-nothing see-nothing MSM is Sgt. Schultz.
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loppyd Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:44:02am |
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His Royal Highness Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:44:02am |
re: #806 KB55
So David Brooks is "abonding" the party now? This guy is an amazing voice and intellect for our party - his concerns raise serious and profound questions about the direction of the party. I was hoping to start a discussion here about those issue - not to be dismissed entirely.
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LoFlyer Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:44:13am |
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LoFlyer Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:45:11am |
re: #831 alien_mind
I'd say Obama is the vain incompetent Col Klink, and the no-nothing see-nothing MSM is Sgt. Schultz.
I agree with you on that mate!
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yah Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:45:48am |
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KB55 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:45:50am |
re: #833 His Royal Highness
So David Brooks is "abonding" the party now? This guy is an amazing voice and intellect for our party - his concerns raise serious and profound questions about the direction of the party. I was hoping to start a discussion here about those issue - not to be dismissed entirely.
Intellect--there you go--sounding like the elitist that he (Brooks) is--"Intellect" is used for those not deemed smart enough to know their betters.
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His Royal Highness Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:45:52am |
re: #820 scion9
I appreciate your response - it helps me to understand the position of those who oppose Brooks in a way I didn't previously. Again - thank you.
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yma o hyd Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:45:54am |
re: #824 ziggyelman
Just amazing. The kind of crap we will see from Obama, only moreso.
This article is from the BBC, and they also mention....The PM visited the "correctional" centre, on the outskirts of the capital Riyadh, where inmates are encouraged to re-engage with mainstream Saudi society through religious and psychological education.
The men Mr Brown spoke to are suspected of backing terrorist organisations, not being directly responsible for violent acts.
The BBC's James Landale, who is travelling with Mr Brown, said it was a highly unusual moment for a world leader to come face to face with terrorist suspects.
Just so - thats what iv'e been saying here ever since I made it through an open door!
As to the BBC report - gawd, Gord is an embarrassment, but there again, nothing as embarrassing as B0 will be if you let him get into the White House.
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runrabbitrun Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:46:50am |
re: #814 loppyd
There were about 30 people per shift which is very impressive for a rural campaign office.My favorite call: A call to a man whose wife answers the phone. I asked to speak with him, he wasn't home so I told her who I was and why I was calling, etc. etc. She said he is a life-long Republican and will be voting McCain. Same with her son and same for her daughter who is voting for the first time this year. Then she tells me she is a life-long DEMOCRAT and she is VOTING McCAIN!
I think there are a lot of people just like her.
Good Sunday morning loppyd and unstoppable lizard kingdom! I noticed the same dynamic Thursday night when I returned to blue NJ - discovered that the vast majority of my Dem neighbors were voting Republican, many for the first time in their lives.
I agree with lawhawk - it's not really so glum as the left is working hard to have you think. The left is relying on these principle dynamics to take the White House:
The timing of a national financial crisis to influence independent
voters and moderate Republicans.
Activating formerly unreliable voting demographics (inner city/historically left-identifying college and youth) with an irresistible, energizing candidate.
Depressing traditional Republican and Conservative turnout with a media
driven 'unstoppable force' poll narrative.
But there are realities that the media has NOT been reporting:
Historically, voter turnout in this country has been dismally low - often around 50%. The U.S. leans center-right. If large numbers of these traditional center-right unreliable voters are energized rather than depressed, their ballots will far surpass any potential numbers of all of the left-leaning demographic potentials (inner city/youth) that will cast first-time ballots.
The left-leaning college and youth vote has been greatly exaggerated and
emphasized in MSM profiling, while the large numbers of moderate and
conservative college/youth voters who will cast their first ballots has
been virtually unrepresented in the press, greatly reinforcing (and to a
good extent creating) the 'Obama inevitability' scenario saturating the
airwaves.
The untold truth and bottom line of this election, which the MSM is
desperately trying to suppress, is that if large numbers of traditional,
center-right previously non-voting citizens cast a ballot on Tuesday, they will swamp the smaller percentages of inner city/youth voters which the Dems are trying to move to the polls. They will swamp the fraudulent Acorn vote. That's why it is so vital for McCain supporters to try to get the vote out, both at GOP headquarters on election day, and by encouraging our friends, family and neighbors to GET TO THE POLLS!
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rancher Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:47:14am |
HRH starting a discussion is no problem but you made a claim, were asked to back it up, and the backup had no relevance to the claim you initially made. Then when it was pointed out you got overly defensive started whining and became nothing more than entertainment for me and likely others on the thread.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:47:17am |
re: #819 His Royal Highness
Hmmm, where did I run across this before? Oh yeah, here it is.
/beyond moby I am thinking troll.
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LoFlyer Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:47:24am |
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KB55 Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:47:32am |
re: #836 yah
If he's going to that "party" then we know the OCnservative wing of the Republicans is totally screwed!
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jorline Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:48:26am |
re: #819 His Royal Highness
This is shameful. I'm a long-time Republican and a conservative. I cannot understand why, when bringing up an issue that is percolating through our party and will surface very publicly next weekend when we have a meeting of conservatives after the election, I'm being scapegoated here. This is really disturbing.
HRH, with all due respect. Don't act like you've been shunned by your "fellow lizards" when you rarely comment here. If you visited more often and followed the threads over the last six months you wouldn't be so surprised by the response you're receiving.
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loppyd Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:48:45am |
re: #822 Wishing
I am over in NE TN, Appalachian Trail runs though my county.
My dad recently moved to NC - near Maggie Valley. Says it's breathtaking.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:49:07am |
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LoFlyer Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:49:44am |
re: #839 His Royal Highness
I appreciate your response - it helps me to understand the position of those who oppose Brooks in a way I didn't previously. Again - thank you.
Haven't been keeping up with the debate mates, but if HRH is a troll he is the politest since Nodrog!
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yesandno Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:49:45am |
re: #769 His Royal Highness
Sorry?
This is still a sort of Platonic love on the part of Brooks...Elites to the left of me, Elites to the right, and it is the intellectual elite who should govern because of the very nature of that elite intellect.
Bologna.......common sense from the common man is often overlooked because it doesn't appear to be "learned" but rather "acquired" outside of academia. And yet, it is often the tool for insight, decision-making, future planning. It usually is developed out of some understanding of the past, culled to it's important center, then used to develop future decisions. It can be all logical and more effective since once learned, it can be applied quickly without having the hem and haw.
We should all be educated, we should all strive to learn more about the world. But we must be grounded in what is real and possible not in what is hoped for or what is chosen for us by others. My experience has been that common sense asks more questions then does elitism. Consequently the answers of a common sense philosophy often do more to solve problems then create them.
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His Royal Highness Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:50:02am |
re: #843 BlueCanuck
Me defending my thesis makes me a 'troll?"
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yma o hyd Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:50:28am |
re: #841 runrabbitrun
Totally agree - and today and tomorrow can still be gainfully employed in getting the vote out, in convincing all those who usually think they don't need to bother to vote to get their backsides off their chairs and vote!
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Geepers Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:51:14am |
His Royal Highness says:
So David Brooks is "abonding" the party now? This guy is an amazing voice and intellect for our party - his concerns raise serious and profound questions about the direction of the party.
You really do need to be more "nuanced".
Also you said:
I wanted to engage in a discussion here - one which is taking place in many conservative circles right now.
Apparently in His Royal Highness' world "many conservative circles" = David Brooks.
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loppyd Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:51:21am |
re: #841 runrabbitrun
That's why it is so vital for McCain supporters to try to get the vote out, both at GOP headquarters on election day, and by encouraging our friends, family and neighbors to GET TO THE POLLS!
That was the main point of the calls yesterday and in the coming days. I was working off a friendly list of those who voted Republican in '04.
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3 wood Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:51:45am |
re: #810 jorline
Morning, 3 wood...it would appear liberal rags are feeling growth pains coast to coast.
Well, they have no integrity or honesty left. The MSM is a joke.
I think their big hope is that the Fairness Doctrine will be reinstituted.
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aussiemagpie Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:52:28am |
re: #840 yma o hyd
Just so - thats what iv'e been saying here ever since I made it through an open door!
As to the BBC report - gawd, Gord is an embarrassment, but there again, nothing as embarrassing as B0 will be if you let him get into the White House.
Hello from Sydney!
Embarassing? We have our own fumbling bumbling ego driven liar here
PM Kevin Rudd in trouble for opening his BIG mouth, not engaging SMALL brain
have ongoing consequences for relationships between the two countries.
Details of the caTHE leaking of a sensitive phone call between Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and US President George W. Bush, and inaccuracies about what was said, will ll, a pre-arranged conversation to discuss the global financial crisis, were broken eight days ago on the front page of The Weekend Australian, but have since been denied by White House sources.
After the call, on the evening of Friday, October 10, Mr Rudd reportedly told guests he had insisted to Mr Bush that the G-20 was the appropriate vehicle to co-ordinate a response to the ongoing crisis affecting world markets.
"What's the G-20?'' Mr Bush reportedly replied.
That remark, and the notion Mr Bush had not already been considering the G-20's role have been denied by a US national security official who monitored the 30-minute conversation
We are suffering because a few voters wanted CHANGE!
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3 wood Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:52:38am |
re: #853 Geepers
Apparently in His Royal Highness' world "many conservative circles" = David Brooks.
If it walks like a moby and talks like a moby, it's a moby.
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His Royal Highness Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:52:40am |
re: #846 jorline
Thanks for your response - I just graduated with my MA so I've not had the time to comment recently. I probably jumped in during a time when the majority of readers/posters are hyper-sensitive to people lurking - I didn't think about that before posting and most likely should have.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 2, 2008 5:53:54am |
re: #851 His Royal Highness
Troll, moby, what's the difference. Considering most of your comments seem to come today. Saying that the Republican party is espousing YEC as a party platform. Then the only links proving this come from a writer for the New York Slimes. What would you think? And as the link I posted ↑ has you defending your "conservative credentials" I think you are left of center.
/none of us here who are conservative have had to defend our credentials.
//facts maybe but we usually have them to back us up.
