What's not to smile abut for them?

The truly sad part is that that quote sounds just like something a random Obama supporter might say right here in the U.S.

Sounds like a wolf thanking the farmer and his family for opening the chicken coop.

' ... we hope that he will change the policy of the United States ...'

. Change he can believe in.

Anybody who has respect humankind and democracy would destroy Mohamed Mahdi Akef.

I could just cry.

What does the brotherhood understand of respect for humankind and democracy?

I'm afraid the MSM will continue to adore Obama for the next four years. We can watch the MSM compare the Bush presidency vs. Obama presidency like a Goofus and Gallant cartoon. MSM reports:

Bush invaded Iraq and is a war criminal.
Obama sent troops into Pakistan to find OBL and he is protecting us.

Bush rewarded his buddies in corporate America.
Obama is helping corporate America give us more jobs.

Bush cut taxes to hurt Americans.
Obama raised taxes to help Americans.

Bush surrounded himself with political criminals.
Obama had criminals living in his neighborhood.

Bush stole the election in 2000 and 2004.
Obama only had certified, eligible voters vote for him.

Bush made the entire universe hate America.
Obama made the entire universe love him.

Bush lied.
Obama tells us the truth as he understands it.

Bush brought our economy down.
Obama voted “present” in order to help our economy.

Bush secretly hated our country.
Obama would never say “G-d damn America”.

Bush promised us he’d get us out of this mess.
Obama can’t clean up a mess that the Republicans caused.

/thanks MSM

Hoping that Obama will serve the Jews up on a platter in Israel?

See the Terrorists, dictators, and evil in the world LOVE us already! CHANGE!

(I'm not so sure that is a good thing)

I hear a giant sucking sound.

This shit feels America's proper positition is on its knees.

Barry will no doubt oblige.

Sounds more like an exerpt from an Obamunism speech.

re: #9 descolada9

Hoping that Obama will serve the Jews up on a platter in Israel?

BINGO!

Charles, is your site host have you on a shared box, or dedicated one?

re: #10 WrathofG-d

See the Terrorists, dictators, and evil in the world LOVE us already! CHANGE!

(I'm not so sure that is a good thing)

If they love us, they'll leave us alone!

/

Emanuel is said to have “mailed a rotting fish to a former coworker after the two parted ways.”

On the night after the Clinton election, “Emanuel was so angry at the president’s enemies that he stood up at a celebratory dinner with colleagues from the campaign, grabbed a steak knife and began rattling off a list of betrayers, shouting ‘Dead! … Dead! … Dead!’ and plunging the knife into the table after every name.”

This from wiki.

The new Obama Regime - first pick, rahm as Chief of Staff

Change!
Note the quality of promised change was left unspecified by the lawyer for very good reasons. Why am I suspecting the change will be for the far worse?

By the way, it's good to see you all. I couldn't get in to LGF for hours and thought the "Fairness" Doctrine had kicked in again already and I would never hear from you again.

re: #15 rightside

Charles, is your site host have you on a shared box, or dedicated one?

Two dedicated boxes right? Web server, and DB server?

Dittos from Hugo Chavez.

The Palis are celebrating Barry's win too.

Palestinian militants unleashed a barrage of missiles at Israeli towns on Wednesday in revenge for a military incursion into the Gaza Strip that killed at least six, marking the first serious test of a 4 ½ month calm between Hamas and Israel.

re: #17 faraway

The new Obama Regime - first pick, rahm as Chief of Staff

Obama's Machiavelli, only without the charm.

US crimes in Somalia? Is he referring to the public stoning to death of a 13 year old girl for being raped by 3 men? Or another public flogging this week? I guess their concept of crime is somewhat different from the one we have in the free world where the rights of the individual are respected.
Democracy? And this from the Muslim Brotherhood founded by a man who despised democracy. These monsters take deceit and mendacity to new lengths.

The Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood has the gall to lecture anybody on "respect for humankind and democracy"

re: #17 faraway

The new Obama Regime - first pick, rahm as Chief of Staff

Looks to me as if there's a huge amount of pay-back expected by the dems.
Looks to me as if B0's wings are getting clipped already.
Looks to me as if HOPECHANGEWAFFLE might turn out to have been the wrong choice for many Americans.

Pity - there's no return, there are no refunds.

Right, because there is NOTHING that screams "Anti-humanitarians here!" than, say, taking out a dictator that killed off thousands of his country men. Oh, and Democracy...Um, sir Ruler of the Egyptian Brotherhood, do you even KNOW what democracy means? Talk about hypocrisy! Sheesh....I love that nations, theocratic, violent, islamic led nations want to preach some kind of wacky gospel to us Americans, we, the awful awful creatures that we are, about DEMOCRACY when they still allow things like honor killings, hanging of gay men and what not. Oh, and how about the fact that these folks seem not to be able to celebrate without their people burning the American flag, the strongest symbol OF a democratic nation, in my eyes...

re: #20 Ward Cleaver
Good question, probably right about 2.

Well, I don't think this story comes as any surprise...

I would still like to see Biden's promise of holding Bush accountable for war crimes.

They need to utterly destroy the republican party so a new one can arise from the ashes

and to teach the country how truly big a mistake they made
and how nasty the democrats really are

perhaps the next nominee will not take them so lightly as McCain either and fight

Gee, I wonder why the stock market is plunging today? Change!

re: #22 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Palis are celebrating Barry's win too.

What a surprise!

I hope Israel can now use this time and hit back without feeling any obligations to thread carefully - Pres.Bush is out - and they know what to expect from B0.

that link Charles posted has some other good quotes in it too:

ALI AL-SADIG, SUDANESE FOREIGN MINISTRY SPOKESMAN

"We don't expect any change through our previous experience with the Democrats ... When it comes to foreign policy there is no difference between the Republicans and the Democrats."

ALI AGHAMOHAMMADI, CLOSE AIDE TO IRAN'S MOST POWEFUL FIGURE AYATOLLAH ALI KHAMENEI

"The president-elect has promised changes in policies. There is a capacity for the improvement of ties between America and Iran if Obama pursues his campaign promises, including not confronting other countries as Bush did in Iraq and Afghanistan, and also concentrating on America's state matters and removing the American people's concerns."

SAEB EREKAT, AIDE TO PALESTINIAN PRESIDENT MAHMOUD ABBAS

"We hope the president-elect in the United States will stay the course and would continue the U.S. engagement in the peace process without delay. We hope the two-state vision would be transferred from a vision to a realistic track immediately."

Obama will be the weakest president of my lifetime.

Our enemies line up. To them, we will be meat.

re: #32 Daisy

Gee, I wonder why the stock market is plunging today? Change!

I predicted it will drop 1,000-2,000 points
and have to be closed for a week

re: #31 Adrenalyn

Next time, we shouldn't let the left choose our candidate.

Greetings Lizards & let me add my condolences to all of us for yesterday.
No surprise that guys like this strongly support Obama's election.
About a year ago I posted that in my judgement Obama retains a lot of sympathies for his former coreligionists.
Another poster got really angry, saying that , that was an unfair opnion, you know because the guy is a Christian.
I thought then & I think now that he is a good choice for Islamists.

re: #19 rightwinger3

By the way, it's good to see you all. I couldn't get in to LGF for hours and thought the "Fairness" Doctrine had kicked in again already and I would never hear from you again.

No kidding!
Nic is blue, everyone feel free to ad my email to your list!

I have a bad feeling about this.

Rahm Emanuel would get dancers evicted so he could workout at the barre in his tights at DC's DancePlace studio, during his Clinton White House stint.

Who says ballet dancers like Rahm Emanuel can't fight & throw their weight around?

re: #16 Ward Cleaver

Ok fine, let's say they actually DO leave us alone. This still doesn't stop them from being evil Terrorists does it?

This is the point I think the "Anti-War" people miss. Doing nothing about Evil is not Peace.

re: #35 bosforus

Obama will be the weakest president of my lifetime.

Which is why he will be the most dangerous president in your lifetime.

When does the Obama administration send Israel their eviction notice?

He that dies pays all debts.

William Shakespeare,

Progressives in Gaza hope for change......

Yahoo pic

Palestinian militants from the Popular Resistant Committee step on a US flag during a press conference in Deir al-Balah in the central Gaza Strip. The PRS said today that they hope the new US president would help bring a solution to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

Of course whenever Muslim spokesmen use terms such as humanhind they generally have very specific
intents in mind as to the meaning of such a phrase as to avoid
confusion with those lower order of creatures.

re: #6 MandyManners

Mandy, keep your spirit, we are all in this together, it will be tough but we have each other and we will get by.

I'm wondering how long it will take for things to go to Hell In A Handbasket, now that the skids are being greased...

Under two years? Four? ONE, even?

Hunker down, and make sure you have plenty of ammo, food, and gas.

Oh, and it wouldn't hurt to know how to do a few of the things listed on Blackfive.net - but knowing how to do a LOT of them would probably insure your survival.

Any bets on how long the Middle East Pressure Cooker is going to take to explode?

"May you live in interesting times"!

INCOMING! !

JAFLW

The thing is- when America gets the promised-by-Biden test, and our economy is still rocky, who is it that's going to provide for these countries? Who does more in foreign aid than America? God forbid we are attacked on our soil again. We'll survive, but will the third world survive when we're not there to help them?

re: #15 rightside

Charles, is your site host have you on a shared box, or dedicated one?

Two dedicated servers - a web server and a DB server. We're upgrading soon to a more powerful web server.

re: #39 opnion

It's good to be here this afternoon. I went to the Grant Park rally last night. Most interetsing, but I bugged out shortly after it was announced Obama won. The scene reminded me of a Bulls championship rather than an election.

Got some good pictures of World Can't Wait (yeah, they were there), and a couple in a skeleton and a pig outfit. The skeleton was holding a massive (for her at least) anti-Palin sign, and the pig was holding a sign simply stating "Fuck McCain". Classy.

re: #31 Adrenalyn

I would still like to see Biden's promise of holding Bush accountable for war crimes.

They need to utterly destroy the republican party so a new one can arise from the ashes

and to teach the country how truly big a mistake they made
and how nasty the democrats really are

perhaps the next nominee will not take them so lightly as McCain either and fight

With all respect - but I think blaming this defeat on McCain alone is way off target.
It looks to me as if many GOP bigwigs couldn't ahve cared less about his campaing, and as for the way said bigwigs treated Sarah Palin, the less said the better.

And when I then read here, to top it all, that 12 million Republican voters sat it out, then it seems to me that blame needs to be directed somewhere else, and not at McCain.

re: #35 bosforus

Obama will be the weakest president of my lifetime.

Only toward foreign enemies. I expect him to come after the likes of us like FDR went after the Nazis.

I haven't been able to get here all day. Was beginning to think a DOS attack was on or that Obama had shut us down already.

This is not a surprise. Barack Hussein Obama has been the Islamists candidate from day 1. The McCain camp was, for some reason, uncomfortable with bringing this out, and the MSM (of course) paid no attention to the men behind the curtain.

OT

Mutual Funds, long term, low risk, moderate growth. Still worth it or cut and run?

re: #45 jorline

When does the Obama administration send Israel their eviction notice?

1/21/09.

re: #31 Adrenalyn

I would still like to see Biden's promise of holding Bush accountable for war crimes.

They need to utterly destroy the republican party so a new one can arise from the ashes

and to teach the country how truly big a mistake they made
and how nasty the democrats really are

perhaps the next nominee will not take them so lightly as McCain either and fight

That's the way they do things in third-world dictatorships, unless they just summarily execute everyone in the previous regime. I certainly don't want to live in a country like that, and I doubt you would either.

Ummmmmmm.... the "crimes in Somalia?"

Who, exactly, is committing those?

(and he forgot Darfur...)

Michael Crihsten (sp)has just passed away. He lost his battle with cancer.
He was 65 years old

re: #42 alegrias

Rahm Emanuel would get dancers evicted so he could workout at the barre in his tights at DC's DancePlace studio, during his Clinton White House stint.

Who says ballet dancers like Rahm Emanuel can't fight & throw their weight around?

* * *
Ooops, I meant to say Rahm Emanuel would evict dancers from the Joy of Motion studios in DC so he could work out himself, in his ballet tights.

I repeat myself when I ask: When, I wonder, will they wake up and recognize they've not just elected Tiger Woods but a Castro wannabee?

The Left has produced a very insidious type of racism; it's unparalleled for unconscious condescension/arrogance.

I think I'll use a line often repeated by moonbats over the last eight years:

Barack Obama is NOT my President.

Too Kos-like?

re: #58 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OT

Mutual Funds, long term, low risk, moderate growth. Still worth it or cut and run?

Do you have a zipper on your mattress? Better get one.

re: #47 Killgore Trout

I wonder if Obama's buddy William Ayers was there to add his footprint on Old Glory? I'm sure he agrees with the spirit of this "protest" even if he wasn't a direct participant.

re: #35 bosforus

Whoa! easy there. Nothing to worry about. Greasy Joe promised we'd be hit in the first six months, and the reponse will not be what you think we should do.

Nothing to worry about.

Nothing at all.

re: #45 jorline

When does the Obama administration send Israel their eviction notice?

I'm sure the Muslim Brotherhood will be glad to hand deliver the notice asap.

re: #47 Killgore Trout

No complaining from you.

re: #54 yma o hyd

With all respect - but I think blaming this defeat on McCain alone is way off target.
It looks to me as if many GOP bigwigs couldn't ahve cared less about his campaing, and as for the way said bigwigs treated Sarah Palin, the less said the better.

And when I then read here, to top it all, that 12 million Republican voters sat it out, then it seems to me that blame needs to be directed somewhere else, and not at McCain.

and I agree to an extent, it is a stretch
but what we needed was leadership
not passivism

it's a very bitter pill I swallowed this week
from a death in the immediate family
to the death of the land of my birth
I am about unhinged

and (at this point) refuse to repect the new POTUS

re: #49 Tarkus289

Mandy, keep your spirit, we are all in this together, it will be tough but we have each other and we will get by.

Thank you for the kind and encouraging words. I feel as if I've been beaten with a sock filled with nickles, wielded by every freakin' slacker who's mooching off of me 'cause I have stuff they want and they're very eager to let that commie bastard BHO and his minions in Congress hike my taxes on everything.

re: #47 Killgore Trout

Progressives in Gaza hope for change......

Yahoo pic

Nice!
Its like they're saying 'we still hate you, America, but effing well get rid of Israel for us now, or we hate you even more!'

re: #33 yma o hyd

Not going to happen with the present leadership.Livni used the word "special" twice in describing the Israeli relationship with the US. She's delusional thinking that the Obama considers Israel "special."

re: #58 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If you're a long term investor then my unqualified opinion is that you should buy in. If this is money you're going to need in cash within the next 5 years then I'd suggest staying liquid. Index funds are nice and safe in the long run.

My only bright spot in this whole tragedy is that very soon all the idiots people who voted for Obama will be b*tchslapped by reality and become even more sorry than the people who voted for Carter.

Whatever.

re: #53 Honorary Yooper

It's good to be here this afternoon. I went to the Grant Park rally last night. Most interetsing, but I bugged out shortly after it was announced Obama won. The scene reminded me of a Bulls championship rather than an election.

Got some good pictures of World Can't Wait (yeah, they were there), and a couple in a skeleton and a pig outfit. The skeleton was holding a massive (for her at least) anti-Palin sign, and the pig was holding a sign simply stating "Fuck McCain". Classy.

You were behind enemy lines. I was really glad to see that there was no violence.
His supporters are so enthusiastic & they are in for disappointment.

Welp - let's look at the bright side. When/If Obama does something these jerks don't like, they're going to have to find different accusations to fling around, i.e. 'racist'.

re: #61 doppelganglander

That's the way they do things in third-world dictatorships, unless they just summarily execute everyone in the previous regime. I certainly don't want to live in a country like that, and I doubt you would either.

undoubtedly not
yet I fear we are headed for that
from what I hear of Senor Emmanuel
he is not a nice person
and could give James Carville a run for his money

OT:
Charles, it looks like Frum espouses your position on Palin and the future of the GOP.

re: #25 jiminycricket

US crimes in Somalia? Is he referring to the public stoning to death of a 13 year old girl for being raped by 3 men? Or another public flogging this week? I guess their concept of crime is somewhat different from the one we have in the free world where the rights of the individual are respected.
Democracy? And this from the Muslim Brotherhood founded by a man who despised democracy. These monsters take deceit and mendacity to new lengths.

I think he means our picking off AQ types there.

re: #66 Pyrocles

Don't go there, they went there, it smells.

re: #53 Honorary Yooper

It's good to be here this afternoon. I went to the Grant Park rally last night. Most interetsing, but I bugged out shortly after it was announced Obama won. The scene reminded me of a Bulls championship rather than an election.

Got some good pictures of World Can't Wait (yeah, they were there), and a couple in a skeleton and a pig outfit. The skeleton was holding a massive (for her at least) anti-Palin sign, and the pig was holding a sign simply stating "Fuck McCain". Classy.

What are those clowns going to do with themselves now that Utopia has arrived? No more need for papier mache heades, they'll have to find a new hobby.

re: #52 Charles

Thanks. Would like to see the old/new specs after the transition.

The most left to hope for is that it all doesn't turn out to be as bad as our worst fears.

Yet, just a few hours ago I spoke with man doing some work at my home, a Russian Jew, a former Soviet citizen, and he told me he couldn't sleep last night after Obama's victory. He is that upset and nervous.

re: #78 Ojoe

Whatever

re: #48 We need G.C. Scott

humanhind

Okay, I just don't want to know what intentions they have with respect to this.

/:-)

And what a lovely smile they have, too. Why are their teeth ticking?

Precincts Reporting: 100.00% (4130 of 4130) Last update was: 11/5/2008 1:21:14 PM

US SENATOR
Totals Pct Graph
Independence DEAN BARKLEY 437373 15.16
Republican NORM COLEMAN 1211616 42.00
Democratic-Farmer-Labor AL FRANKEN 1210895 41.97

/why voting is important

re: #47 Killgore Trout

Progressives in Gaza hope for change......

Yahoo pic

where's a Predator drone when you need one.

re: #66 Pyrocles

Barack Obama is NOT my President.

You can say it all you want, but he is your President.

Let's not all become moonbats ourselves.

re: #66 Pyrocles

I think I'll use a line often repeated by moonbats over the last eight years:

Barack Obama is NOT my President.

Too Kos-like?

Yeah, 'fraid so. He is our country's President. Damn it.

I don't think it is by any means clear that the MB's smiles are well founded. While his pre announced withdrawal plans from Iraq are exactly the kind of stupidity that they would like to see in place, the MB need complete appeasement on all fronts. Obama has already committed to stepping up the war in Afghanistan. A black president who is intelligent, articulate and popular is truly the last thing on Earth that Islamists want to have on their ass. It's just a question of time before the muslim brotherhood and co. will be smiling on the other side of their faces.

(Hey, I finally got into LGF!)

The Morning After: the Rabbit's negative scenario:

I grew up in Brooklyn, one of the five town/boroughs in New York City. In the fifties, my part of the borough was populated with European immigrants who came to this nation knowing that there was but one way to win their hopes to succeed. That ticket to American freedom and the good life it entailed necessitated working hard at menial or labor jobs to pay their family's way until their children were more highly educated (one of the most valued American privileges), and their entire family would ascend the US's ladder of prosperity. If a family member refused to work hard, the only choice was to beg one of the elder family members to take them into their own modest dwelling and pay their way for them; in the venacular of the time, be an absolute disgrace to that family.

But now there is another choice for newly-arrived slackers and their anchor families. The immigrants who have no resources can be sent to the polls, (utility bill in hand, and be told to vote Democrat. Then the problem of
supporting extended family is taken over by a government check, and no-one in the anchor family is inconvenienced by a less-ambitious family member who does not wish to assimilate, learn the language, or labor to pay his way.

If you go to my old neighborhood in Brooklyn today, you see that there are blocks and blocks of new immigrants, the vast majorities in this case from Pakistan, India, China and the Middle East. I wonder if the new option of government checks will change the old rules of immigration and assimilation. The public school in the center of my old 'hometown' now has all visible posters in Arabic (you could go to Brooklyn's Coney Island Avenue and check for yourself if you suspect I'm exaggerating), so I fear the worst may be in the cards.

the Rabbit's positive scenario:

This election was based on the memory of a faltering war costing dearly in blood and treasure, a crashed economy, stock market/401 losses, more aggressive global security threats, and lack of jobs for the middle class. If all of those things improve, the Democrats have won a permanant place in power. But if all of those factors stay the same or get worse (probable with a liberal financial and foreign policy agenda), the pendulum will swing back in the right-wing's favor.

So, Akef gives a shit about "Democracy"? With the Obama era, I think we're going to need some new editions of all the dictionaries. Certain thoughts must be expunged from human vocabulary./Freedom is Slavery

The idea of taking a vacation from caring or worrying about anything is becoming more and more appealing right about now...but I will get over it.

Resist!

ot sort of:

After months of attacks on Israel by the Muslim Brotherhood's buddies Hamas, Israel decided to actually respond and defend themselves...so we all know what that means: Truce Disrupted

re: #95 Jimmah

Yes- and we're going to invade Pakistan!

re: #92 JeremiahRight

where's a Predator drone when you need one.

Stepping on the American flag while hoping the American President would be their ally.

A fitting irony of what we are in for.

re: #51 Sharmuta

The thing is- when America gets the promised-by-Biden test, and our economy is still rocky, who is it that's going to provide for these countries? Who does more in foreign aid than America? God forbid we are attacked on our soil again. We'll survive, but will the third world survive when we're not there to help them?

Good question - but not one these people will ever ask themselves.

I'm starting to change my attitude in regard to overseas aid programmes. As with welfare recipients, they've become so totally dependent on our hand-outs that they cannot do anything for themselves any longer.

Its time for tough love, and above all, quid-pro-quo.

This has been a painful 24 hours. I fear it will not be the last but rather only the beginning of four years of squirming embarrassment as the US simply leaves its allies hanging out to dry.
I am very concerned for the State of Israel as their leadership is currently handicapped as well. We live in interesting times.

re: #87 Opinionated

The most left to hope for is that it all doesn't turn out to be as bad as our worst fears.

Yet, just a few hours ago I spoke with man doing some work at my home, a Russian Jew, a former Soviet citizen, and he told me he couldn't sleep last night after Obama's victory. He is that upset and nervous.

My Russian Engineer turned around in his chair when I came into his office this morning. He said "What, you are still here? They haven't shipped you off to reeducation?" He hates communism as much as I.

It's good that I havn't seen many mentions of McCain or Palin. I, for one, Don't ever care to hear from them again. These old politicians can't take a hint. Like, John you lost in 2000 for a reason. Now, you need to forget your ambitions and just go back to the senate, then retire with grace.

Birds of A Feather:

Arab League Gives President Elect Obama Props!

*tap* *tap*
Is this thing on?

Methinks they are lining up to eat Obama's lunch.

re: #51 Sharmuta

The thing is- when America gets the promised-by-Biden test, and our economy is still rocky, who is it that's going to provide for these countries? Who does more in foreign aid than America? God forbid we are attacked on our soil again. We'll survive, but will the third world survive when we're not there to help them?

Already starting

President Dmitri Medvedev orders missiles deployed in Europe as world hails Obama

President Dmitri Medvedev took advantage of the euphoria in America today to order the deployment of missiles inside Europe as a response to US plans for a missile defence shield.

Speaking within hours of Barack Obama's election as the new US President, Mr Medvedev announced that Russia would base Iskander missiles in its Baltic exclave of Kaliningrad next to the border with Poland.

He did not say whether the short-range missiles would carry nuclear warheads. Mr Medvedev also cancelled earlier plans to withdraw three intercontinental ballistic missile regiments from western Russia.

He added that Russia was also ready to deploy its navy and to install electronic jamming devices to interfere with the US shield, which involves the deployment of a radar station in the Czech Republic and 10 interceptor missiles in Poland.

I trying find an article about the G-8 meeting in two weeks where Medvedev wants a face to face, one on one meeting with Obama about Russia's plans.

re: #81 Adrenalyn

undoubtedly not
yet I fear we are headed for that
from what I hear of Senor Emmanuel
he is not a nice person
and could give James Carville a run for his money

Rahm Emmanuel is one of the all-time nastiest political figures, but I don't think it's a good idea to spitefully wish for show trials to teach the Republican party a lesson.

Has everyone seen this video by now, showing Obamatron youths celebrating in front of the White House while waving a Soviet flag?

/sigh

I'm getting high blood pressure at 34.

The Muslim Brotherhood comment could also be a near-verbatim transcript of a commentary by Neil MacDonald of the (government-funded) Canadian Broadcasting Corp. in Canada, who "reports" from D.C. The CBC had to pull him out of Israel a few years back because of his biases, including urging a boycott of an annual traditional media-government dinner when Sharon was PM. It's a wonder MacDonald hasn't yet followed some of his other CBC colleagues to al-Jazeera.
Meanwhile, I see there was some "celebratory gunfire" in the form of a missile barrage out of Gaza following the Obama victory.

re: #82 lawhawk

An interesting read....

A generation ago, Republicans dominated among college graduates. In 1984 and 1988, Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush won states like California, Pennsylvania and Connecticut – states that have been “blue” for a generation. (America’s least educated state, West Virginia, went for Michael Dukakis in 1988.)

Those days are long gone. Since 1988, Democrats have become more conservative on economics – and Republicans have become more conservative on social issues.

College-educated Americans have come to believe that their money is safe with Democrats – but that their values are under threat from Republicans. And there are more and more of these college-educated Americans all the time.

I think Republicans tend to despise and mistrust intellectuals (even their own). This should probably change.

MOHAMED MAHDI AKEF, LEADER OF THE EGYPTIAN MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD, ONE OF THE LARGEST ISLAMIST GROUPS IN THE MIDDLE EAST

“We congratulate (Obama) on the confidence of the American people in him and we hope that he will change the policy of the United States toward the Middle East and toward the crimes which are happening in Afghanistan and Somalia, in other words that he adopts a just policy that restores to America its natural position of respect for humankind and democracy.”

crimes which are happening in Afghanistan and Somalia

Perpetrated by radical Islamics , stoning a 13-year rape victim...Bastards!

re: #79 opnion

You were behind enemy lines. I was really glad to see that there was no violence.
His supporters are so enthusiastic & they are in for disappointment.

Now I know what Zombie feels like. I might just try it again. It is tough; however, to control one's emotions while behind enemy lines like that. No matter how bad they are, you can't say a fricking thing.

re: #66 Pyrocles

Yes. He's our president. We don't have to like him and we don't have to support his policies, but he is our president.

How to reinvigorate the conservative movement in America, advice from The Corner, at NRO...
[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

Game On [Jim Manzi]

OK, you lose some battles, but you fight on. It's time to develop a conservative game plan for the next several years. I think, at the outset, that a wide variety of voices are essential.

Slate is hosting a two-day discussion of the conservative future among a polyglot group of right-of-center types: Tucker Carlson, Ross Douthat, Douglas W. Kmiec, Kathleen Parker, Christine Todd Whitman, and me.

Obviously, Manzi and others over at NRO have learned DICK from receiving a collective ass-kicking in both 2006 and 2008. RINO's leading the charge only results in a movement that goes over the cliff.

re: #110 Pyrocles

Has everyone seen this video by now, showing Obamatron youths celebrating in front of the White House while waving a Soviet flag?

/sigh

I'm getting high blood pressure at 34.

hammer and sickle at Presidential victory rally
/change!

re: #105 littleO

It's good that I havn't seen many mentions of McCain or Palin. I, for one, Don't ever care to hear from them again. These old politicians can't take a hint. Like, John you lost in 2000 for a reason. Now, you need to forget your ambitions and just go back to the senate, then retire with grace.

* * *
I feel the same way about you for some reason right now. What did you do for your country exactly?

First time I ever voted straight repub. Losers all, even one ballot question, the other I voted incorrectly, should have written in "present."

re: #118 JeremiahRight

hammer and sickle at Presidential victory rally
/change!

Just signs of what the next 4 years is going to bring on...

The enemies that hate the American ideal are jubilant that one of their own was elected; enemies within and without.

re: #72 Adrenalyn

and I agree to an extent, it is a stretch
but what we needed was leadership
not passivism

it's a very bitter pill I swallowed this week
from a death in the immediate family
to the death of the land of my birth
I am about unhinged

and (at this point) refuse to repect the new POTUS

I am so very sorry about your loss. This defeat must certainly be much harder to bear for you.
But the land of your birth is not dead - certainly not if people like you, once they've taken stock, roll up their sleeves and get to work - from the grassroots up!
Its the people who will find their next, true leader - the leader will not find them, unless you want a GOP version of this President elect?

re: #85 doppelganglander

What are those clowns going to do with themselves now that Utopia has arrived? No more need for papier mache heades, they'll have to find a new hobby.

They'll still demonstrate. They'll be pissed off that Obama isn't Progressive enough for them.

in other words that he adopts a just policy that restores to America its natural position of respect for humankind and democracy.”

I wonder if our new 'redistribution of wealth' will include the jizya? Have we started paying the Jizya yet?

/Appease our way out of a fight...?

re: #110 Pyrocles

Has everyone seen this video by now, showing Obamatron youths celebrating in front of the White House while waving a Soviet flag?

/sigh

I'm getting high blood pressure at 34.

* * *
Relax, the old Soviet embassy was just two a block or two north of the White House on 16th Street & Sakharov Way! Maybe it was just some embassy neighbors.

re: #102 yma o hyd

Good question - but not one these people will ever ask themselves.

I'm starting to change my attitude in regard to overseas aid programmes. As with welfare recipients, they've become so totally dependent on our hand-outs that they cannot do anything for themselves any longer.

Its time for tough love, and above all, quid-pro-quo.

I'll bet your mom told you the same thing mine did -- you can't buy friendship. I say cut off all aid to countries that hate us.

re: #71 DisgustingOratory

re: #47 Killgore Trout

No complaining from you.

Huh?

The more I think about it , the less worried/scared I am!
My job is secure!It covers retirment,insurance and both vehicles are paid for!
My wifes buisness is the real bread winner....A daycare that allows us to right off most cost!
I have never nor will ever depend on the Gov.. to protect my loved ones,myself or my property!
Central Utah does not exactly have a bullseye on it by foriegn
or domestic enemies!
On a national scale?
That's where the ulcer will come from!
To all my brothers and sisters in Christ and here on LGF
my prayers and good wishes are with you as always!
As for this this up coming Veterans Day Thankyou and God bless you and America

re: #100 Sharmuta

I'm sceptical on that one....lol

re: #108 jorline

Hmmmmm, Cuban Missile Crisis II?

re: #51 Sharmuta

The thing is- when America gets the promised-by-Biden test, and our economy is still rocky, who is it that's going to provide for these countries? Who does more in foreign aid than America? God forbid we are attacked on our soil again. We'll survive, but will the third world survive when we're not there to help them?

Bush managed to justify 48 billion to Africa on July 31st. I doubt Obama will find it difficult to follow suit.

re: #112 buzzsawmonkey

Not even Broadway show trials?

GWB and Darth Cheney do not look to me like they'd have much in the way of musical theatre skills. Although Condi does play the piano...

re: #75 vagabond trader

Not going to happen with the present leadership.Livni used the word "special" twice in describing the Israeli relationship with the US. She's delusional thinking that the Obama considers Israel "special."

I'm hoping that this is for 'external consumption'. Otherwise the IDF wouldn't have hit back so promptly.
But it is an extremely worrying time for Israel - I'm forbidding myself to imagine all the possible nghtmares ...

re: #82 lawhawk

OT:
Charles, it looks like Frum espouses your position on Palin and the future of the GOP.

The only problem with his second path is that it may split the party into two parties. And I see no one on the horizon yet who could unite the two halves.

re: #116 joncelli

Yes. He's our president. We don't have to like him and we don't have to support his policies, but he is our president.

* * *
AFTER the inauguration!

first things first.

re: #118 JeremiahRight

hammer and sickle at Presidential victory rally
/change!

While chanting "USA! USA!" no less.
/Is this a great country or what?

re: #108 jorline

Oh, my stars! Nice knowing you, Poland.

re: #93 Ringo the Gringo

You can say it all you want, but he is your President.

Let's not all become moonbats ourselves.

We don't want to become a right-wing version of Kos. Besides, I'm no good at making papier mache' heads.

No doubt about it, today is the day terrorists, communists, black racists, illegal aliens and welfare bums are jumping for joy. Meet the Obama constituency.

re: #139 Ward Cleaver

I'll bring tablas for the drum circle.

re: #113 Killgore Trout

An interesting read....

I think Republicans tend to despise and mistrust intellectuals (even their own). This should probably change.

I have a younger friend who worked as an intern on the hill in the eighties, and she to this day expresses her amazement that the Democrats support and nurture other Dems, but she swears that the Republicans in Congress eat their young - they would throw their mothers over a cliff to grab onto or maintain power.

Don't know how true this is, but it gives me pause and concern....

re: #124 Honorary Yooper

They'll still demonstrate. They'll be pissed off that Obama isn't Progressive enough for them.

They'll demand war crimes trials and the public execution of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and "the neocons".

Words fail me. The man has been praised by the Muslim Brotherhood, Hugo Chavez... all he needs is a congrats from Mugabe

UK Army interpreter guilty of spying

Army interpreter Daniel James, who worked for Britain's top general in Afghanistan, has been found guilty of spying for Iran. The Iranian-born corporal translated for the head of multi-national forces, General David Richards. The court heard he sent coded messages to an Iranian military attache in Kabul, saying: "I am at your service".

James, 45, from Brighton, was described in court as a flamboyant fantasist who had invited his boss to salsa dance. He was found guilty of communicating information to an enemy, the most serious of three charges he faced. Jurors are still deliberating charges of collecting documents useful to an enemy and willful misconduct in public office.

Traitors I can tolerate, but a flamboyant fantasist who had invited his boss to salsa dance? Some things just aren't cricket, old boy, what?

re: #76 Killgore Trout

If you're a long term investor then my unqualified opinion is that you should buy in. If this is money you're going to need in cash within the next 5 years then I'd suggest staying liquid. Index funds are nice and safe in the long run.

Thanks. Dont need the cash from these now, and at this point, I am still a long term investor. I guessing I'll stick to my current plan of letting my mutual funds weather the storm, but cash out my savings bonds. I'd been holding off to see how the election went, but no reason to hold off now.

re: #113 Killgore Trout

An interesting read....

I think Republicans tend to despise and mistrust intellectuals (even their own). This should probably change.

My take on that article was for the Republican party to survive and win the next election is we need to become more like Democrats? Abandon the Conservative values? Or did I read it wrong?

re: #125 Oh no...Sand People!

I wonder if our new 'redistribution of wealth' will include the jizya? Have we started paying the Jizya yet?

/Appease our way out of a fight...?

We will pay the jizya to the IRS, who will be acting as the collection agent. The Treasury will, in turn, pay over the jizya to the Islamic states.

re: #51 Sharmuta

The thing is- when America gets the promised-by-Biden test, and our economy is still rocky, who is it that's going to provide for these countries? Who does more in foreign aid than America? God forbid we are attacked on our soil again. We'll survive, but will the third world survive when we're not there to help them?

What makes you believe the State dept, for starters, won't continue to be there to "help" them? The "aid"/ Jizya must continue to flow (Global poverty bill may now have a little more opposition) even at the expense of the overburdened tax payer and certainly must take precedent over any trivial domestic needs.
Lest we also remember that many of Barry's associates are of the America must be punished school and will see this as just indentured servitude. Or so they believe.

re: #144 Harlequin

Is Idi Amin dead? If not, maybe he can call and congratulate Obama too. Get some cred from someone with real gravitas.

The terrorists already love us. see no more terrorism.

/moonbat off

We're all living in a Barama-Republic!

If you didn't catch it, you would have seen something rare today, something that until today would have brought accusations of racism at least, possibly a finger pointing editorial from the NY Times, a Colin Powell admonishment- even a denouncment from McCain.

From todays N Y Times, in several stories:

Barack Hussein Obama

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

142 said...

I have a younger friend who worked as an intern on the hill in the eighties, and she to this day expresses her amazement that the Democrats support and nurture other Dems, but she swears that the Republicans in Congress eat their young - they would throw their mothers over a cliff to grab onto or maintain power.

I agree with your friend, but often times its the conservative "intellectuals" that are doing the eating. Case in point, David Frum, Kathleen Parker, Peggy Noonan, etc. When those who are targets for the sometimes worthy, yet often condescending attacks strike back, the intelligentsia whines on about how close minded their party has become. Remember folks, these same fools HATED Reagan, and supported Ford to the bitter end.

well i am smiling now that i finally see that LGF is not gone,, i also tried to log on this morning and even lgf fallback was not to be found,, i though i would die,, i have decided not to read or watch any mainstreem media including drudge or fox from now on,, the only news i get will be from LGF and links from here,, i am removing all my political and my jesus sticker from my car and replacing them with one,, WOLVERINES

re: #117 SaneInMN

Obviously, Manzi and others over at NRO have learned DICK from receiving a collective ass-kicking in both 2006 and 2008. RINO's leading the charge only results in a movement that goes over the cliff.

It could be a very useful exercise in deciding what NOT to do.

re: #155 bcgirl

I hear ya ...took me two hours of hit and miss to get on!
Leave the Jesus sticker! Ok?

re: #91 Killian Bundy

/why voting is important

Yup, and there's going to be a recount. Hope they did it right the 1st time!

If anyone believes that what Republicans lacked in this election was "true" Conservatism -defined as more of guns, gays and abortion, and other so called social issues- you are out of your minds.

re: #155 bcgirl

Is that a "Red Dawn" reference or your favorite sports team?

re: #147 Outrider

Well, I think the goal should be to shift the focus of conservative values. Embracing personal liberty would be a nice place to start. This would mean allowing people to marry who they want or end their own life if they are terminally ill. I know these are not popular on the right but they should be. These are personal liberty issues and to oppose them will be a losing position in the long run.

I refuse to turn into a Kos Kid with my own derangement syndrome against the President of the United States. Two wrongs don't make a right. I won't stoop to their despicable level....I will not. Like it or not, Barack Obama is my next President, and I will not let that fact, for one instant, prevent me from criticizing him if necessary (and I'm sure it will be necessary).

I can tell this is going to be a major issue for those who voted for McCain. It shouldn't be. Country first, always. If it's any consolation, watch how quickly the Far Left and the media (and the Europeans, and the jubiliant Arabs, etc.) will turn on Obama in a heartbeat the second he has to assert American power anywhere in the world. And if he wants to not be impeached, he will have to assert that power - unfortunately, Biden was right and he will be tested, and very soon.

I'd rather lose an election than turn into a foaming-at-the-mouth unpatriotic Kos Kid of the Right. Americans support their President. It's what we should do, even if the HuffPo and Kos losers didn't have the common decency to do so. Screw them, but don't BE them.

Let me get this straight: Somalia. Afghanistan. The middle east.
the United States.

Which of them needs to learn respect for democracy?

re: #127 doppelganglander

I'll bet your mom told you the same thing mine did -- you can't buy friendship. I say cut off all aid to countries that hate us.

Not just to those - that would look like revenge.
No - cut it off generally and let them all earn our help. They can apply for specific projects, like people put in for research grants.
I'm sick of our governments ladling out money to failing states who spend it on arms and warfare, and we softies then give to charities who wail about an 'impending humanitarian catastrophe'.
If these states have the (our!) means to fight wars, why should they not be made to bear the consequences?
Do you go and put everything in order when your kids have had a fight and half-demolished their room?
I bet you don't - you make them do it themselves, or else!

How 'bout this for a bumper sticker

Lizards do it RIGHT

re: #162 Killgore Trout

Well, I think the goal should be to shift the focus of conservative values. Embracing personal liberty would be a nice place to start. This would mean allowing people to marry who they want or end their own life if they are terminally ill. I know these are not popular on the right but they should be. These are personal liberty issues and to oppose them will be a losing position in the long run.

Although, strangely enough, the same California voters who went for Obama nearly 2:1 also PASSED the proposition to make gay marriage illegal.

re: #155 bcgirl

I want to make up some "sheepdog" stickers.

[Link: www.blackfive.net...]

re: #160 Opinionated

You can say that all you want, but ti worked for Bush 2x in a row. It might not be popular around here, but Conservative values work. But, even larger than that...even if they don't "worK' they are right!

What is the point of getting into power if we as Conservatives are just going to be Liberals in disguise?

re: #162 Killgore Trout

I agree to a point !
But only if that liberty comes with taking responsibility for you stupid choices!

re: #66 Pyrocles

I think I'll use a line often repeated by moonbats over the last eight years:

Barack Obama is NOT my President.

Too Kos-like?

I'd use the opposite/equal statement "Obama is YOUR president." Frame it with "...so don't come crying to me."

Someone complains that they were victimized by racism? "YOUR President belonged to a racist church for 20 years, so don't come crying to me."

Someone got laid off? "YOUR President raised business taxes through the roof and they had to cut costs somewhere, so don't come crying to me."

Israel attacked? "YOUR President went soft & mushy on Iran, so don't come crying to me."

re: #163 stanleymberg

I refuse to turn into a Kos Kid with my own derangement syndrome against the President of the United States. Two wrongs don't make a right. I won't stoop to their despicable level....I will not. Like it or not, Barack Obama is my next President, and I will not let that fact, for one instant, prevent me from criticizing him if necessary (and I'm sure it will be necessary).

I can tell this is going to be a major issue for those who voted for McCain. It shouldn't be. Country first, always. If it's any consolation, watch how quickly the Far Left and the media (and the Europeans, and the jubiliant Arabs, etc.) will turn on Obama in a heartbeat the second he has to assert American power anywhere in the world. And if he wants to not be impeached, he will have to assert that power - unfortunately, Biden was right and he will be tested, and very soon.

I'd rather lose an election than turn into a foaming-at-the-mouth unpatriotic Kos Kid of the Right. Americans support their President. It's what we should do, even if the HuffPo and Kos losers didn't have the common decency to do so. Screw them, but don't BE them.

Couldn't have said it better myself.
No one could have.

re: #47 Killgore Trout

Progressives in Gaza hope for change......

Yahoo pic

Why no faces? Is that Ayers and Co.? The image looks familiar.

pre: #153 Opinionated

With a message of hope and competence, he drew in legions of voters who had been disengaged and voiceless. The scenes Tuesday night of young men and women, black and white, weeping and cheering in Chicago and New York and in Atlanta’s storied Ebenezer Baptist Church were powerful and deeply moving.
Mr. Obama inherits a terrible legacy. The nation is embroiled in two wars — one of necessity in Afghanistan and one of folly in Iraq. Mr. Obama’s challenge will be to manage an orderly withdrawal from Iraq without igniting new conflicts so the Pentagon can focus its resources on the real front in the war on terror, Afghanistan.

Just wait until Bambi has to reintroduce the Draft.
Young people will be weeping and crying everywhere.

/I will fucking grin.

re: #169 WrathofG-d

You can say that all you want, but ti worked for Bush 2x in a row. It might not be popular around here, but Conservative values work. But, even larger than that...even if they don't "worK' they are right!

What is the point of getting into power if we as Conservatives are just going to be Liberals in disguise?

The difference between center-right and center-left social legislation may seem subtle, but they are important.

Isn't it interesting that the leader of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood mentioned the "crimes" we are supposedly commiting in Afghanistan - not Iraq...hmmmm

re: #145 Kenneth

UK Army interpreter guilty of spying

Traitors I can tolerate, but a flamboyant fantasist who had invited his boss to salsa dance? Some things just aren't cricket, old boy, what?

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

re: #168 Pvt Bin Jammin

I've read that many times!
We need more Sheepdogs!

Written over 3 months ago, but well worth reading today:

Eventually, we will all hate Obama too
What makes America such an indispensable power is precisely what makes anti-Americanism inevitable
David Aaronovitch

It amuses me that some of those who criticise the present US Administration for its Manichaeism - its division of the world into good and evil - themselves allocate all past badness to Bush and all prospective goodness to Obama. As the ever-improving myth has it, on the morning of September 12, 2001, George W. and America enjoyed the sympathy of the world. This comradeship was destroyed, in a uniquely cavalier (or should we say cowboyish) fashion, through the belligerence, the carelessness, the ideological fixity and the rapacity of that amorphous and useful category of American flawed thinker, the neoconservative. They just threw it away.

But there isn't anything that can't be fixed with a sprinkling of genuine fairy dust. What Bush lost, Obama can find. Where the Texan swaggered, the Chicagoan can glide. Emotional literacy will replace flat iteration, persuasion will supplant force as the preferred means of achieving what needs to be achieved, empathy will trump narcissism. Those who hate America may find their antipathy waning, those who were alarmed by unilateralism will warm to softer, moral leadership. A new dawn will break, will it not?

On the subject of Aid to other nations.
I heard on the radio a week or so ago(sorry I don't remember whose show it was or the name of the official) an African official basically saying please stop sending aid. The people don't do anything for themselves they just wait for the aid trucks and the corrupt govt takes most of it for themselves and then releases bits at a time to keep the people dependent. The whole aid thing is just a self perpetuating cycle of greed and laziness

re: #178 reloadingisnotahobby

Indeed we do.

I worry for the sheep. They don't have a clue.

re: #162 Killgore Trout

Well, I think the goal should be to shift the focus of conservative values. Embracing personal liberty would be a nice place to start. This would mean allowing people to marry who they want or end their own life if they are terminally ill. I know these are not popular on the right but they should be. These are personal liberty issues and to oppose them will be a losing position in the long run.

I am sick and tired of the 'government' being my parent. I am sick of the government trying to protect me from 'myself' instead of from the 'foreign enemy'.

I am sick of government regulation. Roads, Defense, minor help to help us weather the storm if the economic 'invisible hand' doesn't correct the market fluctuations quick enough... Other than that. Get out of my life and quit legislating the lives of others into mine.

Beggar on the street. I'll give him/her money. Beggar on the street. I'll deny him/her money. My choice.

If don't want to wear a seat belt in my car, I sure as well will not wear a seat belt. I want to wear a seat belt, I will wear my seat belt. My choice. My consequences in the event of wreck.

re: #162 Killgore Trout

Well, I think the goal should be to shift the focus of conservative values. Embracing personal liberty would be a nice place to start. This would mean allowing people to marry who they want or end their own life if they are terminally ill. I know these are not popular on the right but they should be. These are personal liberty issues and to oppose them will be a losing position in the long run.

I disagree. I believe the majority of Americans disagreed with those "liberties". If we abandon our Conservative values just to get elected, then what the hell is the point? It's like bottom dealing in poker. You win, but you compromised yourself to do it. Adopting many of the planks of the liberals just to be palatable to more people is just wrong.

160...

I believe all of the anti-gay marriage ballot measures aimed at amending state constitutions passed...even in uber-liberal California. I don't think its time to give up on the social issues, however, the sudden collapse of the mortgage industry doomed any hopes of a McCain victory (how ironic, that the party who was almost single handedly responsible for this mess benefited from the chaos in the end). Also, McCain got outspent 7:1. Add in President Bush's lousy approval rating (not all his fault, obviously), along with an MSM that slobbered over Obama and you end up 10 counted at the end of the night.

re: #180 Texas Heathen

On the subject of Aid to other nations.
I heard on the radio a week or so ago(sorry I don't remember whose show it was or the name of the official) an African official basically saying please stop sending aid. The people don't do anything for themselves they just wait for the aid trucks and the corrupt govt takes most of it for themselves and then releases bits at a time to keep the people dependent. The whole aid thing is just a self perpetuating cycle of greed and laziness

Damn, that sounds EXACTLY like the welfare system.

re: #144 Harlequin

Has Castro the Elder come out of hiding to pass along his congratulations yet?

In other words - 'America - please go back to Clinton era of ignoring all crazy jihad torture, murder, thuggery, genocide, killing of 13 year old girls who get raped etc... in the middle east and Africa.'

Where is OR?

He is winding the watch of his wit; by and by it will strike.

alegrias, it's nothing to do with sen. McCains service in Vietnam. I honor him greatly for his service, as I do all our servicemen, and women, including my son's.
We need to get over this mindset that it's someones turn to run for president.
There is and editorial in the WSJ by a mr. Shapiro, who says that the way Pres. Bush has been treated by both parties has been a disgrace. I sempathise with that because I feel Pres. Bush has been a good president in very difficult times. Just put yourself in his chair and fight against almost everyone you come in contact with. I honor that type of service, also.
McCain was not ready for primetime. Obama is not in anyway ready for the Presidency. I hear that the Russians are deploying missiles on the Polish border right now. I'd rather have Bush for a third term. If you have any sense, alegrias, you do too.

re: #174 ibmkeyboard

p

Just wait until Bambi has to reintroduce the Draft.
Young people will be weeping and crying everywhere.

/I will fucking grin.

The reinstatement of the draft will allow one maybe to say: "see.. I told ya!"
But, that's about it. It's unlikely you or anyone will be grinning, as it probably will mean escalation of war.

re: #169 WrathofG-d

You can say that all you want, but ti worked for Bush 2x in a row. It might not be popular around here, but Conservative values work. But, even larger than that...even if they don't "worK' they are right!

What is the point of getting into power if we as Conservatives are just going to be Liberals in disguise?

After 8 years of a Democrat, Clinton, Bush won by the skin of his teeth against a grunting Gore, and almost lost a second time even during a time of war.

Conservative will soon have a new more rational meaning. If we want to survive.

When we see what Liberal really is with the coming Administration, Conservative will be defined as mainstream center right. Not dependant on the extreme social issues that turn off so many people.

If Republicans don't understand that, we may never see a Republican President again for a generation at least.

A few questions:
1. What will happen when (not "if") Obama reneges on all his election promises, including Iraq?
2. How long will it take for the KoolAid to wear off on the MSM?
3. Are all those folks Obama threw under the bus still alive, and if so how long will it take them to come after El Presidente?

re: #167 dentate

But support for that position is historically on the decline. In about another 10 years or so the anti-gay movement will be in the minority. Demographics aside it's immoral to institute discrimination by the state. Slavery and segregation were once very popular issues.

the moslems have great expectations of obama.
his father was a practicing moslem. their hope is that they will have a real connection to him thru islam.
tho he maintains that he is a christian, the middle east is seeing what they want to see in him, just like his ardent supporters here.
he is all things to all people.
so of course moslems have their personal agenda to project on him.
and they are giddy w/ hope.
especially since obama has given them ample reason.
they are so glad he won.

re: #161 Texas Heathen

Is that a "Red Dawn" reference or your favorite sports team?

red dawn

re: #167 dentate

Yes! The gay marriage issue isn't what cost Republicans last night. It wasn't even the war. The Democrats were able to frame the debate in terms of the economy, and the voters bought it. The Republicans aren't as good as the Democrats are when it comes to PR/Propaganda. They never have been, and they never will be. It helps that the Press is completely in the bag for Democrats.

re: #92 JeremiahRight

where's a Predator drone when you need one.

you misspelled "AC-130 gunship".....

here to help!

re: #33 yma o hyd

What a surprise!

I hope Israel can now use this time and hit back without feeling any obligations to thread carefully - Pres.Bush is out - and they know what to expect from B0.

I, being the evil entity that I am, would like to see Israel take out Iran's entire nuclear capability on Inauguration Day, as sort of present to BO Plenty.

re: #160 Opinionated

If anyone believes that what Republicans lacked in this election was "true" Conservatism -defined as more of guns, gays and abortion, and other so called social issues- you are out of your minds.

Actually, true Conservatism is exactly what Republicans lacked, hence the loss.

New platform and a very simple winning forumla: Smaller, more efficient gov't, return to rule of law, and stop all subsidies for stupid behavior, and pander to no one.

Frontman/woman: an unabashedly conservative, charismatic, fast-thinker who can effectively ARTICULATE the message to the masses.

The weak rely on the strong, never the other way around.

re: #193 Killgore Trout

Unless the gays push too hard, and get a backlash. Like is happening in California. The gay marriage issue didn't cost us one vote last night. For that matter, both Parties are basically in agrreement that there shouldn't be gay marriage. The differences between the Parties on this issue are trivial.

re: #72 Adrenalyn

and I agree to an extent, it is a stretch
but what we needed was leadership
not passivism

it's a very bitter pill I swallowed this week
from a death in the immediate family
to the death of the land of my birth
I am about unhinged

and (at this point) refuse to repect the new POTUS

You do not have to respect the man, only the office. If he starts acting Presidential, then I will respect the man. Until then, no way nohow.

JAFLW

I am another who will say that Obama is not MY president! For that matter, Biden is not MY VP either!

I don't think it is coincidental that the market dropped.

We are sooooo screwed! And I'll leave it at that. If I say any more, I could get in trouble! :)

re: #189 littleO

I read that too. I feel the same way. GW was not perfect but he did a damn good job given the circumstances that were thrust upon him.

re: #185 CommonCents

exactly

Iran welcomes Obama victory, warns US forces

'Obama's election as the US president shows the American people's demand for essential changes in the country's domestic and foreign policies,' Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki was quoted as saying by the official news agency IRNA, while urging the new administration 'to distance itself from the wrong approaches of current politicians.'

As the first reaction by an Iranian official earlier on Wednesday, Gholam-Ali Hadad-Adel - senior advisor to Iran's supreme leader - said the victory of the slogan of 'change' is the admission of the American people to the failure of Bush's policies.

'The next US president should abandon the course taken by President Bush and the American people have to change their policies in order to get rid of the quagmire that he created for them,' former parliament speaker Hadad-Adel was quoted as saying by Iranian media.

The reactions to the US elections came after a harshly worded statement issued earlier this morning by Iran's military, warning American forces in Iraq that it would strongly respond to any violation of Iranian airspace.

And so it starts.

/your world atlas will soon be obsolete

193...
Huh?

Slavery and segregation were once very popular issues.

Your equating the subugation of humans by other humans, against their will, to family structure formed over eons of human evolution that is biologically necessary for the propagation of our own species? I'm not a rabid "anti-gay marriage" person, but we are not deer. Our children have a much better chance at making it in this world when raised by their own mother and father. That is simply a fact.

re: #193 Killgore Trout

But support for that position is historically on the decline. In about another 10 years or so the anti-gay movement will be in the minority. Demographics aside it's immoral to institute discrimination by the state. Slavery and segregation were once very popular issues.

The Yes Prop 8 money had the super lib - Gavin Newsom to thank for the win. He provided the money quote used over and over and over in their commercial spots - Whether You Like It Or Not

47 Kilgore

I wonder what gave AFP the idea they are "militants". Was it the jack boots, the armaments, or the uniforms?

Despite the stomping-on-the-US-flag photo op, the Philistines are dancing in the streets over here. B. O. has brought Hamas and the PLO together again.

re: #191 Opinionated

I do not buy that people reject the Republican party over social issue. I will agree however that the Republican party has not done a good job selling those values.

If you don't get a grip on the "hearts and minds" of the populace you might as well not even attempt to win an election. The "culture war" is what is important.

The Republican's should ignore elections for a bit and concentrate on long term wins within the society, so that by the time there is an election in 20 years, people will just agree with the values, and the votes will come in .

(similar to what the Socialists have done since hte 1960s)

re: #196 Iron Fist

Yes! The gay marriage issue isn't what cost Republicans last night. It wasn't even the war. The Democrats were able to frame the debate in terms of the economy, and the voters bought it. The Republicans aren't as good as the Democrats are when it comes to PR/Propaganda. They never have been, and they never will be. It helps that the Press is completely in the bag for Democrats.

You're right, but adding to your comments the central lie of Obama's MSM supported campaign: running as a taxcutting moderate Clinton Dem, when he was the most liberal Senator and a chronic taxraiser through his entire (albeit lightweght) career.

re: #207 unrealizedviewpoint

What happened on Prop 4? It was denied? What in the world is CA thinking?

No on prop 4 is truly disappointing.

re: #211 WrathofG-d

What happened on Prop 4? It was denied? What in the world is CA thinking?

No on prop 4 is truly disappointing.

I know what prop 8 was but what was prop 4 about?

The MSM welcomes the new overlord.

Here's why I'm looking forward to Jan. 20, 2009.

So that imbecile who was in front of me in traffic the other day with the bumper sticker that simply juxtaposed a peace symbol with "1/20/09" below it can have his dangerously foolish and naive face rubbed in the coarse sand of hard reality.

1/20/09 won't bring an end to war, dumbass. Obama is not the messiah, numbskull. And worse yet, clueless dimwit, The One might even have to act militarily in his first week or month in office - I hope not, but it's certainly not out of the question.

1/20/09 means mankind will beat all his swords into plowshares? I don't think Ahmadinejad, Chavez, Kim Jong-Il, Putin, Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Qaeda, or the Taliban GOT THAT MEMO!

The crestfallen look on the faces of sh*t-for-brains people like the guy driving around with this asinine bumpersticker when they realize that Obama's inauguration isn't actually going to herald the end of warfare as we know it will be worth the price of admission alone. The repair of "America's standing in the world" will last about 5 minutes, at which point they'll all find some new reason to hate us, as they always do. THIS will be some of the Left's own "chickens coming home to roost," in the immortal hateful words of Jeremiah Wright.

re: #212 Texas Heathen

Parental notification to a parent of a minor within 48 hours before the minor gets an abortion.

re: #211 WrathofG-d

What happened on Prop 4? It was denied? What in the world is CA thinking?

No on prop 4 is truly disappointing.

What's the whole country thinking?
I'm so effin' depressed.
Everything is so inside out, backwards. Makes no sense.
I feel like I'm in a state of grief, mourning.

BBL

re: #163 stanleymberg

..snip..

I'd rather lose an election than turn into a foaming-at-the-mouth unpatriotic Kos Kid of the Right. Americans support their President. It's what we should do, even if the HuffPo and Kos losers didn't have the common decency to do so. Screw them, but don't BE them.

A President or any elected official gets my support in accordance with how I view he displays leadership and does his job within the confines of the Constitution. It's unwise to afford enemies niceties, that they would not, and historically have not afforded you.

re: #155 bcgirl

hey bc!

re: #216 unrealizedviewpoint

Let's not count Obama out till we have to. Let's give the guy a chance.

re: #209 WrathofG-d

I do not buy that people reject the Republican party over social issue.

You don't even have to go so far to wonder what those issues do to the general electorate. Ask first what they do to Republicans.

Whether in the primaries or when McCain was to choose a running mate, fear of alienating those who make those issues the be all of their political existence eliminated the best candidates.

Some of these social issues are political death in the general election. And if Republicans continue to genuflect to these uncompromising groups within then Republicans will remain in their current prone position for a long long time.

re: #212 Texas Heathen

I know what prop 8 was but what was prop 4 about?

Prop 4 was a parental notification law (requires notification of a parent before a minor can receive an abortion). It's been on the ballot before and lost, and a major mistake the authors of the ballot item made this time was making it a constitutional amendment, causing even some conservatives who would have normally supported it to vote against it.

re: #220 Opinionated

You don't even have to go so far to wonder what those issues do to the general electorate. Ask first what they do to Republicans.

Whether in the primaries or when McCain was to choose a running mate, fear of alienating those who make those issues the be all of their political existence eliminated the best candidates.

Some of these social issues are political death in the general election. And if Republicans continue to genuflect to these uncompromising groups within then Republicans will remain in their current prone position for a long long time.

Some political scientists are saying even evangelical Protestants are becoming less doctrinaire politically and more similar to liberals. So that constituency itself may be evolving.

re: #96 runrabbitrun

...
This election was based on the memory of a faltering war costing dearly in blood and treasure, a crashed economy, stock market/401 losses, more aggressive global security threats, and lack of jobs for the middle class. If all of those things improve, the Democrats have won a permanant place in power. But if all of those factors stay the same or get worse (probable with a liberal financial and foreign policy agenda), the pendulum will swing back in the right-wing's favor.

IF all those things improve? Not likely. Socialism will only make things worse, as well as all the LLLs and their shills squealing for more pork from the Gubmint. Which the Obamessiah will gleefully hand out. Which will make the problem worse. Which will... (you know the drill)

Hunker down, I say.

JAFLW

re: #220 Opinionated

Right....like how Bush lost by garnering the Evangelical Christian vote.

re: #178 reloadingisnotahobby

I've read that many times!
We need more Sheepdogs!

That, and armed Shepherds.

re: #210 runrabbitrun

Yeah, I wanted to spit bullets when he would talk about cutting the taxes of "95%" of the electorate. He's not cutting the taxes of people who don't pay taxes. He's redistributing the wealth from upper income brackets to lower income brackets. And that has always worked so well in the past.

But he won. The American people were buying the horse shit he was shoveling. And we are stuck with it for the next two years. Thank God they didn't take 60 votes in the Senate. That would have been an unmitigated disaster.

re: #199 brickthruplateglasswindow

Actually, true Conservatism is exactly what Republicans lacked, hence the loss.

New platform and a very simple winning forumla: Smaller, more efficient gov't, return to rule of law, and stop all subsidies for stupid behavior, and pander to no one.

Frontman/woman: an unabashedly conservative, charismatic, fast-thinker who can effectively ARTICULATE the message to the masses.

The weak rely on the strong, never the other way around.

This is the framework everything needs to be based on in my opinion:
According to Conservative Resources, there are six key elements defining Conservatism:

1. Belief in natural law.
2. Belief in established institutions.
3. Preference for liberty over equality.
4. Suspicion of power - and of human nature.
5. Belief in exceptionalism.
6. Belief in the individual.

1. Conservatives tend to believe in a higher order law as opposed to liberals who tend to support the written law. Simply put, this means Conservatives believe certain rights are inherent, given by God or they exist platonically, while liberals believe any rights given to man are derived through the written law. In other words, a government grants and guarantees the citizen any rights he/she may have.

2. A strong belief in institutions like family, church, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights are among some of the strong institutions in which a Conservative places his beliefs. Conservatives do not blindly oppose progress, but nor do they believe in change merely for social experimentation. On the other hand, a liberal will tend to believe the world can and will be changed through government forces in what Franklin Roosevelt called "bold persistent experimentation".

3. A reality most people do not accept in the present world is people can not be free and equal at the same time. Conservatives desire liberty, they desire to maximize freedom (to paraphrase Barry Goldwater) and do not accept that everyone is or should be on a level playing field whether they have earned the right to be or not.

4. Government is regarded as a necessary evil by Conservatives. If we lived in a perfect world peopled by perfect beings, no government would be necessary. This is the reason, it is believed, government must be controlled with checks and balances, and decentralized so it does not turn into a dictatorship. Along these lines, it is believed government is best exercised at the lowest possible levels first.

5. Conservatives recognize there are those among us that excel; they have superior abilities, talents, and/or intelligence. A liberal believes these individuals are lifted up by the masses. Conservatives believe these individuals exist as role models and inspire others to better themselves.

6. Barry Goldwater stated, "Every man, for his individual good and for the good of society, is responsible for his own development. The choices that govern his life are choices he must make; they can not be made by any other human being, or by a collectivity of human beings."

...

"A President or any elected official gets my support in accordance with how I view he displays leadership and does his job within the confines of the Constitution. It's unwise to afford enemies niceties, that they would not, and historically have not afforded you."

You don't have to "support" him. But it's your duty as an American to respect the dignity of the office of the President of the United States. I don't like Barack Obama, didn't vote for him, and actively campaigned against him. That said, he's not my "enemy" in the way that Ahmadinejad, Bin Laden, Chavez, Kim Jong-Il, Putin, etc. are my enemies. I would never afford those murderous cretins any niceties. But, misguided as they may have been, my fellow AMERICANS voted for Obama and I refuse to behave the way the Loony Left has for the past 8 years. If I feel that their behavior has been utterly disgraceful in regard to how they have treated George W. Bush (and I most certainly do feel that way), I refuse to behave just as disgracefully to prove a point or extract revenge. I will save my bile for those who seek to destroy America, and I will stand up and speak out if I feel that Obama is not protecting America (or any of its allies) against those enemies.

Listen, I understand and share the anger of a lot of people on LGF today. But I will NOT become a Kos Kid of the Right. I cannot and will not go down that foul road.

re: #227 Outrider

This is the framework everything needs to be based on in my opinion:
According to Conservative Resources, there are six key elements defining Conservatism:

1. Belief in natural law.
2. Belief in established institutions.
3. Preference for liberty over equality.
4. Suspicion of power - and of human nature.
5. Belief in exceptionalism.
6. Belief in the individual.

Heh, that Yankee Doodle conservatism is rapidly becoming quaint and anachronistic.

re: #222 Moe Katz

Some political scientists are saying even evangelical Protestants are becoming less doctrinaire politically and more similar to liberals. So that constituency itself may be evolving.

I submit that a prelude to what a mess this election would be for Republicans was when a "Conservative" site - FreeRepublic- banished anyone who even dared to forcefully support Giuliani.

When that mindset ends among those on our side- or when all Republican candidates tell them that they are the aliens to Republicanism - it may be the first clue to salvation nearing.

re: #218 Querent

hey bc!

hey querent,, how are you today, bet your familia is happy

re: #215 WrathofG-d

Parental notification to a parent of a minor within 48 hours before the minor gets an abortion.

Lemme get this straight. California voters don't like gay marriage but they think that a minor should be able to have an abortion without the parents knowledge?

re: #232 bcgirl

i'm sure they are. which is why i won't see them for a few days. gotta get over my Post-Obama Stress Disorder...

can't wait for the Lizard Caucus '09

re: #230 Moe Katz

Heh, that Yankee Doodle conservatism is rapidly becoming quaint and anachronistic.

So I have been informed by more than a few folks, but I think embracing those values will certainly pay result in a better run government and country.

re: #231 Opinionated

I submit that a prelude to what a mess this election would be for Republicans was when a "Conservative" site - FreeRepublic- banished anyone who even dared to forcefully support Giuliani.

When that mindset ends among those on our side- or when all Republican candidates tell them that they are the aliens to Republicanism - it may be the first clue to salvation nearing.

If the great ideological pendulum really is swinging back a bit to the left some people will eventually get the message, huh?

re: #234 Querent

i'm sure they are. which is why i won't see them for a few days. gotta get over my Post-Obama Stress Disorder...

can't wait for the Lizard Caucus '09

POSD yep that is the word i was looking for when my friend said i sounded down today, i will email her that now

re: #237 bcgirl

all Lizards are welcome to help the term go viral!

re: #224 WrathofG-d

Right....like how Bush lost by garnering the Evangelical Christian vote.

Times they are a changing.

The President elect proved decisively - being extreme on these issues- that guns, gays, abortion, and whatever else rocks the evangelical vote- doesn't matter a wit in the general to most voters.

re: #226 Iron Fist

lets say he really does cut taxes on 95% of the population. I assume he is talking about income taxes right? It wont matter much once the other hidden taxes take effect. Carbon emissions penalties. Excise Taxes. Higher cap gains taxes. Cap and trade. He could do away with income taxes altogether and it would not matter because of all the extra crap he is going to hit us with. Add to that the fact that even more jobs will be out sourced because of the corporate tax hikes and most americans will be fighting just to keep fed.

Of course, they have been taught by the media that we are a nation of knuckle dragging racist bigots, so this election is a big surprise. Here's a a newsflash, Europe: Obama was elected by mostly white people. He was elected because of the American people, not in spite of them.

re: #235 Outrider

So I have been informed by more than a few folks, but I think embracing those values will certainly pay result in a better run government and country.

I think it's a philosophy and set of values that contains a lot that is of value, but it must be tempered with pragmatism and can't be seen as a blueprint for government in the 21st century. Most of this stuff is contemporaneous with Mozart.

re: #239 Opinionated

Times they are a changing.

The President elect proved decisively - being extreme on these issues- that guns, gays, abortion, and whatever else rocks the evangelical vote- doesn't matter a wit in the general to most voters.

and none of those rights will matter when Iran goes nuclear
(the Lizard platform)

re: #229 stanleymberg

What is Obama doing to reach out to us?

[crickets]

He is a failed President right now. He has failed to reach out to the 50% of the people who voted against him. "Bi-partisanship" doesn't mean always giving the Leftist what he wants. That is one of the reasons we are where we are today. We've been too accomodating to our enemies.

re: #240 Texas Heathen
TH, i'm going to use that at the next family dinner. thanks for putting it so eloquently.

re: #240 Texas Heathen

lets say he really does cut taxes on 95% of the population. I assume he is talking about income taxes right? It wont matter much once the other hidden taxes take effect. Carbon emissions penalties. Excise Taxes. Higher cap gains taxes. Cap and trade. He could do away with income taxes altogether and it would not matter because of all the extra crap he is going to hit us with. Add to that the fact that even more jobs will be out sourced because of the corporate tax hikes and most americans will be fighting just to keep fed.

His tax cut is really a welfare program. Whenever you hear someone talk about tax credit they're talking about a handout. If they say its refundable, that means you get the money even if you don't pay taxes.

re: #233 rightymouse

Lemme get this straight. California voters don't like gay marriage but they think that a minor should be able to have an abortion without the parents knowledge?

Oddly enough. Yes!

The State's no on 4 vote infuriates me! By not giving the parent notification that their minor child is going to get a major, life threatening surgery, the State is "adopting" the child. The State is making the choice for the child instead of the parent. This is just wrong.

A child cannot go on a school field trip with teacher supervision without parental notification/permission, let alone get a tatoo, let alone again a major surgery. I don't care that it is abortion, the rule should remain the same for everything. If a child can get an abortion without Parental notification, then let her get breast surgery, or prostate surgery, or vasectomy, or arm amputation, or heart transplant....

A child could get pregnant, not tell their parents, get an abortion, die in surgery and the first thing a parent would hear about it is when the Doctor or Coroner calls to let them know their daughter is DEAD! How would you like that call? The state doesn't care because they don't have to deal with that part.

(grits teeth)

re: #233 rightymouse

I think it is more like they believe a guy who commits stat rape deserves to be protected from prosecution. That is what they usually mean when opposing parental notification laws.

re: #239 Opinionated

Wrong! BHO was a vote against Bush, and for a Black man.

Plain and simple.

re: #199 brickthruplateglasswindow

New platform and a very simple winning forumla: Smaller, more efficient gov't, return to rule of law, and stop all subsidies for stupid behavior, and pander to no one.

That sounds like the libertarian ideal. Maybe we should take over their party and leave the GOP to Democrat Lite™.

/Sorry I had a fight at your Libertarian Party.

re: #229 stanleymberg

Thank you! Please, everyone listen to comments like these! All the hate and derrangement, that's for the moonbats. We are NOT them.
Really, I am trying to stay positive, but the side of my brain that's not all rainbows and sunshine is telling me that we don't have to complain to reveal 0bama's true nature.
Just sit back and let him crash and burn. Yes, the whole country will have to pay the price, but we will have to do that whether we act like nutty koskidz or not. Might as well hope the best and pray the worst isn't as bad as we think it will be.

I think MSM America had a large part to play in this victory. Instead of doing their job in vetting Obama, they pimped for him and shut out or sullied all other candidates.

I'm used to Israel's Media having an extreme Left bias/agenda. In fact, in a play on the Hebrew word for MSM, Israelis call them the "Liars". If we read the papers at all, we do so as Russians used to read "Pravda", i.e. between the lines and even that's not true. Personally, I subscribe to no newspaper and tossed my TV years ago because of this all encompassing bias.

I think this MSM untrustworthiness has come to the US. Sites such as lgf are so much more important as news sources today. Hang in there Charles. Your country needs you and will need lgf in the rough days ahead.

re: #247 WrathofG-d

Oddly enough. Yes!

The State's no on 4 vote infuriates me! By not giving the parent notification that their minor child is going to get a major, life threatening surgery, the State is "adopting" the child. The State is making the choice for the child instead of the parent. This is just wrong.

A child cannot go on a school field trip with teacher supervision without parental notification/permission, let alone get a tatoo, let alone again a major surgery. I don't care that it is abortion, the rule should remain the same for everything. If a child can get an abortion without Parental notification, then let her get breast surgery, or prostate surgery, or vasectomy, or arm amputation, or heart transplant....

A child could get pregnant, not tell their parents, get an abortion, die in surgery and the first thing a parent would hear about it is when the Doctor or Coroner calls to let them know their daughter is DEAD! How would you like that call? The state doesn't care because they don't have to deal with that part.

(grits teeth)

And this also gives a better chance for a rapist to get away his crime without any investigation into who committed it.

agreed
re: #249 WrathofG-d

Wrong! BHO was a vote against Bush, and for a Black man.

Plain and simple.

re: #245 Querent

TH, i'm going to use that at the next family dinner. thanks for putting it so eloquently.

Be my guest. Quote it verbatim if you want. ;)

re: #242 Moe Katz

I think it's a philosophy and set of values that contains a lot that is of value, but it must be tempered with pragmatism and can't be seen as a blueprint for government in the 21st century. Most of this stuff is contemporaneous with Mozart.

I don't believe that. That is much the same argument that I have been presented with when being asked to compromise my principles, such as lying on a resume because "everyone expects an inflated resume anyway, so you might as well lie". Or back in teen years being told to "grow up" and "your values are outdated" because I didn't want to use their drugs.

Values are core. They don't change with the times. Or shouldn't.

re: #247 WrathofG-d

Oddly enough. Yes!

The State's no on 4 vote infuriates me! By not giving the parent notification that their minor child is going to get a major, life threatening surgery, the State is "adopting" the child. The State is making the choice for the child instead of the parent. This is just wrong.

A child cannot go on a school field trip with teacher supervision without parental notification/permission, let alone get a tatoo, let alone again a major surgery. I don't care that it is abortion, the rule should remain the same for everything. If a child can get an abortion without Parental notification, then let her get breast surgery, or prostate surgery, or vasectomy, or arm amputation, or heart transplant....

A child could get pregnant, not tell their parents, get an abortion, die in surgery and the first thing a parent would hear about it is when the Doctor or Coroner calls to let them know their daughter is DEAD! How would you like that call? The state doesn't care because they don't have to deal with that part.

(grits teeth)

I just threw something across the room and now I have a mess to clean up.

What is WONG with these people?

Gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

re: #229 stanleymberg

But it's your duty as an American to respect the dignity of the office of the President of the United States. I don't like Barack Obama, didn't vote for him, and actively campaigned against him.

The sun rose this morning and I woke up in the most free constitutional republic in the world. The rule of law worked (more or less), and once again we have an orderly transition of power. I respect the office of President, if not the man himself. I hope to be pleasantly surprised, but I will do my best to effect change in Congress over his (hopefully) one term as President. I remain the loyal opposition until his administration proves to be my enemy.

/There is a line across which you do not.
- Walter Sobchak

re: #229 stanleymberg

"A President or any elected official gets my support in accordance with how I view he displays leadership and does his job within the confines of the Constitution. It's unwise to afford enemies niceties, that they would not, and historically have not afforded you."

You don't have to "support" him. But it's your duty as an American to respect the dignity of the office of the President of the United States. I don't like Barack Obama, didn't vote for him, and actively campaigned against him. That said, he's not my "enemy" in the way that Ahmadinejad, Bin Laden, Chavez, Kim Jong-Il, Putin, etc. are my enemies. I would never afford those murderous cretins any niceties. But, misguided as they may have been, my fellow AMERICANS voted for Obama and I refuse to behave the way the Loony Left has for the past 8 years. If I feel that their behavior has been utterly disgraceful in regard to how they have treated George W. Bush (and I most certainly do feel that way), I refuse to behave just as disgracefully to prove a point or extract revenge. I will save my bile for those who seek to destroy America, and I will stand up and speak out if I feel that Obama is not protecting America (or any of its allies) against those enemies.

Listen, I understand and share the anger of a lot of people on LGF today. But I will NOT become a Kos Kid of the Right. I cannot and will not go down that foul road.

I can't see anyone here morphing into a Kos Kid type right. I won't speak for other LGF'ers but I for one am not angry. The fact that so many of my countrymen thought the O is the better man for the job I attribute to ignorance (thank you, "gracious" MSM) not willful sedition. That being said, my disgust emanates from my concern for the future of this country, and for my children and grand-children future, not my own.

I can't predict the future, so instead I'll have a beer.