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Egyptian Cleric to Obama: Convert to Islam

Religion | Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 9:49:23 am PST

Egyptian cleric Hassan Abu Al-Ashbal has a message for Barack Obama: convert to Islam, or else. We’re eager for death, yadda yadda, you know the drill. (Courtesy of MEMRI TV.)

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Following are excerpts from an address delivered by Egyptian cleric Hassan Abu Al-Ashbal, which aired on Al-Nas TV on November 27, 2008.

Hassan Abu Al-Ashbal: Let me take this opportunity to address the leader of Europe, and the leader of America, who is the leader of the world, the recently-elected Obama, who is the leader of the Byzantines – he is like the Byzantine leaders in the days of Prophet Muhammad.

My message to him is three-fold. First, I invite him to convert to Islam. This is the call of the Prophet and of Allah. Oh Obama – convert to Islam, and you will be saved. I hope that Allah will reward you twice: Once for converting to Islam, and another reward for all those who will convert in your footsteps. If you want glory – you will find it in Islam. If you want honor – you will find it in Islam. In religions other than Islam there is utter humiliation, even if you are the president of the entire world.

[...]

You, Obama, are among those who have pledged before Allah – Allah who created you, sustained you, and brought you to this position – to be a Muslim who believes that Allah is the one God, especially since you have some kind of roots in Islam. Convert to Islam, and you will be saved. All glory and honor lie in following Allah and His messenger Muhammad. Know that the true religion is the religion of Islam, and all other religions are fabricated religions, which are null and void – religions that were abrogated by the shari’a of Muhammad.

If you refuse to return to your [Islamic] origins, to the way Allah created you, withdraw your huge armies and military bases from the lands of the Muslims. Know that all your predecessors have ended up in the garbage bin of history, and that America’s black and bleak history in the land of the Muslims and the Arabs constitutes an evil omen for you, your predecessors, and your successors. Know, Obama, that America, with all its size and might, will know no peace, as long as a single Muslim child lacks food, drink, medicine, or housing. If you refuse, Obama, and insist on remaining in Muslim lands, know that Allah still plants in [Muslims] obedience to Him, and they are willing to wait for Paradise, which is closer than their own shoelaces.

Know, Obama, that in the lands of Islam, there are people who seek death, and are eager for it, even more than you and your people are eager for life – any kind of life, even a life of humiliation.

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1 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:50:56am

Another day, another dawah.

2 legalpad  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:50:56am

Convert?

3 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:51:35am
4 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:51:37am
Know, Obama, that America, with all its size and might, will know no peace, as long as a single Muslim child lacks food, drink, medicine, or housing.

But...... they're supposed to love us now.

5 Occasional Reader  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:51:44am

What's with these assclowns and the finger-wagging?

6 Kenneth  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:52:06am

re: #2 legalpad

Revert, he means.

7 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:52:15am
In religions other than Islam there is utter humiliation, even if you are the president of the entire world.

He's watched Rev. Wright on YouTube, I guess.

8 legalpad  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:52:34am

re: #5 Occasional Reader

What's with these assclowns and the finger-wagging?

That was my second thought.

9 bosforus  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:52:47am

End your taqqiya, Obama!

10 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:52:54am

Hmmm, if it means we get to bag Michelle, then I say wtf, go ahead.

/

11 Occasional Reader  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:52:55am
and that America’s black and bleak history in the land of the Muslims

RACIST!

12 2by2  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:53:42am

Would you follow an "Invitation" from a guy who wags his fingers at you like that?

13 Kenneth  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:53:56am

Obama is the leader of the Byzantines?

Who knew?

14 Occasional Reader  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:54:18am
that Allah still plants in [Muslims] obedience to Him, and they are willing to wait for Paradise, which is closer than their own shoelaces

Um... shoelaces. Got it.

[someone get the thorazine and dart gun]

15 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:54:32am

IIRC a good muslim has to offer his next victim the option of converting before he is attacked......

16 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:54:34am
Know, Obama, that in the lands of Islam, there are people who seek death, and are eager for it, even more than you and your people are eager for life – any kind of life, even a life of humiliation.

But if an infidel says this they're called an islamaphobe by cair.

17 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:54:59am

re: #14 Occasional Reader

Um... shoelaces. Got it.

[someone get the thorazine and dart gun]

Something lost in translation? What a tool.

18 pat  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:55:04am

Get the towel off your head, jerk. You not only look silly, but your pissing Obama off.

19 Maximu§  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:55:04am

Know, Obama, that in the lands of Islam, there are people who seek death, and are eager for it,

and we're eager to deliver your Death wish Hassan.

20 tfc3rid  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:55:11am

Sweet... Maybe he will...

21 Pyrocles  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:55:38am

Obama himself has a habit of doing that, too. Annoying.

re: #12 2by2

Would you follow an "Invitation" from a guy who wags his fingers at you like that?

22 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:55:57am

re: #15 eschew_obfuscation

IIRC a good muslim has to offer his next victim the option of converting before he is attacked......

It's part of dawah lawhawk linked in #1. Invite them to islam, and if they refuse, then they may make jihad upon the infidel.

23 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:56:11am

I love this line...

... as long as a single Muslim child lacks food, drink, medicine, or housing.

Well, if you stupid fuck offs would stop stealing all the aid money we send you, spending it on bombs and Swiss bank accounts, and maybe start acting like humans, this would all change.

Otherwise, stick that shit stinking finger up your nose.

24 father_of_10  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:56:19am

Closer than our own shoelaces? These clowns HAVE shoelaces?
Palestinian Shoes

25 Occasional Reader  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:56:22am

re: #17 Creeping Eruption

Something lost in translation? What a tool.

[umpty-million Egyptians simultaneously look down at their sandals... confused]

26 LibraryGryffon  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:56:27am

Since when did the US president-elect become the leader of Europe?

27 teleskiguy  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:56:45am

Here's a pertinent Onion article from 1999. Cheers!
[Link: www.theonion.com...]

28 Right mind left  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:56:48am

re: #21 Pyrocles

Obama himself has a habit of doing that, too. Annoying.

Is a habit like a turban?

29 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:56:50am

But wait, I thought he already was a muslim?

/

30 SummerSong  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:56:55am

Choke on your humiliation, Hassan.

31 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:57:14am

Is this the typical invitation before an eventual attack?

32 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:57:18am

re: #24 father_of_10

LOL

33 maddogg  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:57:25am

re: #5 Occasional Reader

What's with these assclowns and the finger-wagging?

He has to keep it busy, lest it habitually goes up his nose. Can't have that happen on camera.

/take 11

34 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:57:57am

re: #31 Honorary Yooper

Is this the typical invitation before an eventual attack?

Well, this is the typical call to Islam, mandated by the Koran before a possible attack.

35 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:58:04am

If it weren't so bloody serious, it'd almost be funny.

36 WrathofG-d  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:58:08am

Nation of Islam.....Trinity (Nation of Christianity).......it wouldn't be too far a stretch for our President.

37 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:58:17am

I think finger wagging is the internatiol sign for "Please send Marines at once to kick my ass."

I think seeing a fire team tackle this putz and proceed to stomp him into a brown stain on the floor would be a great end to the video

38 SummerSong  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:58:21am

re: #12 2by2

Would you follow an "Invitation" from a guy who wags his fingers at you like that?

What is it with them and their crooked finger waving?

39 nyc redneck  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:58:27am

and now this ultimatum from the barbarians.
they are going to be so disappointed in the O.
they are going to hate him more than they hate bush.

40 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:59:03am

re: #37 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I think finger wagging is the internatiol sign for "Please send Marines at once to kick my ass."

I think seeing a fire team tackle this putz and proceed to stomp him into a brown stain on the floor would be a great end to the video

That was graphic.

41 Eowyn2  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:59:10am

"Obama, that America, with all its size and might, will know no peace, as long as a single Muslim child lacks food, drink, medicine, or housing."

What has the poverty of the peoples to do with American military bases?

Ask around. Most countries whine about the US military bases but would have kitten fits if they were all closed down. Economy would plummet.

42 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:59:52am

re: #41 Eowyn2


Ask around. Most countries whine about the US military bases but would have kitten fits if they were all closed down. Economy would plummet.

Almost makes me want to try it.

43 Ezekiel2517  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 9:59:55am

Did George Carlin make this video shortly before he died?

44 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:00:46am

Didn't ahmahdinnerjacket invite Bush to islam?

45 gman  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:00:51am
Know, Obama, that in the lands of Islam, there are people who seek death, and are eager for it, even more than you and your people are eager for life – any kind of life, even a life of humiliation.

and our armed forces are ready and willing to dish death out to your dead- enders, you smug coward.

46 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:01:16am

Desperate for attention, John Kerry has volunteered to convert in Obama's place.

47 Occasional Reader  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:01:52am

Next time we receive a "call to Islam", I say we put it on hold, with the Muzak, for at least 45 minutes.

48 vapig  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:01:56am

re: #31 Honorary Yooper

Is this the typical invitation before an eventual attack?

My thoughts exactly.

49 VegasRick  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:02:03am

re: #46 JammieWearingFool

Desperate for attention, John Kerry has volunteered to convert in Obama's place.

I was hoping that Obama was going to convert to Christianity.

50 Nevergiveup  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:02:15am

Is this an effort to make me get behind our Presiden to be?

51 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:02:20am

re: #44 Sharmuta

Yes, on several occasions.

52 SummerSong  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:02:33am

"no peace as long as a single Muslim child lacks food, drink, medicine, or housing."

Oh brother.

53 Ben Hur  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:02:37am
Terrorism is nearly as old as humanity itself. In the 1st century AD, the Zealots of Judea began a series of covert killings of Roman occupiers and Jewish collaborators.

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

Brought to you by the LATIMES.

54 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:02:37am

re: #46 JammieWearingFool

Desperate for attention, John Kerry has volunteered to convert in Obama's place.

John Kerry would shove a rake up his ass if it got him some attention.

55 Nevergiveup  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:02:50am

re: #49 VegasRick

I was hoping that Obama was going to convert to Christianity.

Are you impying that "Black Liberation Theology" is not........

56 Occasional Reader  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:03:08am

Your call to Islam is very important to us. Please remain on the line.

57 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:03:16am

re: #53 Ben Hur

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

Brought to you by the LATIMES.

They just have to link anything bad to the joos.

58 Tumulus11  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:03:25am
'A Brooklyn rabbi's wife was five months pregnant when she was [tortured and] slain in the Mumbai Massacre, her father revealed yesterday in Israel, where thousands of Orthodox mourners packed the funerals for the Jews killed in the attacks.'
// NY Post Dec. 04, 2008.

'If you want honor – you will find it in Islam.'
// Hassan Abu Al-Ashbal.

. The Primitives have no shame.

59 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:03:44am

re: #52 SummerSong

"no peace as long as a single Muslim child lacks food, drink, medicine, or housing."

Oh brother.


Don't forget nice motorcycles that Gazans bought when they bum-rushed the Egyptian Apartheid Wall.

60 WrathofG-d  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:03:49am

re: #44 Sharmuta

Islam requires an offer to Islam before War. I am not saying that this was a threat of War, but its not just an innocent, unassociated "offer" to Islam.

61 uncc_compman  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:03:49am

"My message to him is three-fold. First, I invite him to convert to Islam. This is the call of the Prophet and of Allah. Oh Obama – convert to Islam, and you will be saved. I hope that Allah will reward you twice: Once for converting to Islam, and another reward for all those who will convert in your footsteps."

I wonder how many of the 52% would if Obama did convert?

62 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:04:02am

re: #56 Occasional Reader

Your call to Islam is very important to us. Please remain on the line.

...so we can trace your call and know where to target the JDAM.

63 Dustyvet  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:04:03am

Jihad for Dummies


[Link: www.laughparty.com...]

64 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:04:16am

re: #53 Ben Hur

Sure, next the LAT will write that Samson was the original inspiration for Osama's attacks on the WTC because Samson knew how to bring the house down. /grrrr

65 WrathofG-d  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:04:43am

re: #53 Ben Hur

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

Brought to you by the LATIMES.

I see, once again, blame it on the Jews.

66 debutaunt  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:04:47am

Take it under Submission.

67 Sheldon  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:05:05am

What would happen if there was no "tax monies"? Would EVERYONE have to work for their supper instead of looking for hand outs?

68 Dustyvet  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:05:16am

re: #46 JammieWearingFool

Desperate for attention, John Kerry has volunteered to convert in Obama's place.

That figures...

69 VegasRick  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:05:38am

re: #55 Nevergiveup

Are you impying that "Black Liberation Theology" is not........

Well..........................................okay .

70 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:05:38am

re: #61 uncc_compman

100% of the mind numbed robots who voted for him.

Does that answer your question?

71 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:05:41am
72 legalpad  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:05:49am

Some of these videos take over my computer and I can't shut them off.

73 Occasional Reader  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:05:52am

re: #62 Jetpilot1101

...so we can trace your call and know where to target the JDAM.

Press "1" for a "Little Bird" gun run; press "2" for a JDAM; press "3" for a Tomahawk; press "4" for a Seal Team.

74 Ben Hur  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:06:26am
75 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:07:16am

Why convert to Islam when He is Our Messiah-King and the object and center of His own Religion?

76 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:07:21am

re: #53 Ben Hur

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

Brought to you by the LATIMES.

I just read the whole thing, and I don't like her opinions...

What should we do, just roll over and let the attacks come, because they are inevitable part of life? Oh, okay then.

77 Kenneth  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:07:48am

re: #56 Occasional Reader

Your call to Islam is very important to us. Please remain on the line.

For dawah press 1, ...for taqayya press 2, ...for explosives press 3, ...for all other inquiries please stay on the line & a finger waving lunatic imam will be with you shortly

78 WrathofG-d  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:07:58am

re: #69 VegasRick

After doing some research on Malcolm X, and the Nation Of Islam, I came to the realization that Trinity really seemed to be nothing more than The Nation of Islam with a Christianity foundation.

Take NOI and replace its' Islam with Christianity and you get Trinity!

BLT = Nation Of Christianity

79 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:08:21am

re: #73 Occasional Reader

Press "1" for a "Little Bird" gun run; press "2" for a JDAM; press "3" for a Tomahawk; press "4" for a Seal Team.

Press "5" for a tactical nuke; press "6" for an A-10 airstrike; press "7" for three tons of pork delivered from a C-5.

80 Occasional Reader  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:08:31am

re: #74 Ben Hur

New Egyptian Pop Song Compares Obama to Saladin

Object to his songwriting if you must, but you gotta admit, the guy is stylin'.

81 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:08:39am

re: #73 Occasional Reader

Press "1" for a "Little Bird" gun run; press "2" for a JDAM; press "3" for a Tomahawk; press "4" for a Seal Team.

You forgot press 5 for "I'm feeling lucky!"

82 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:08:43am

OT: Anyone here ever have to convince a spouse to learn how to use a firearm? If so, what did you do?

83 legalpad  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:09:33am

re: #82 Creeping Eruption

OT: Anyone here ever have to convince a spouse to learn how to use a firearm? If so, what did you do?

Depends on why they are reluctant to learn.

84 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:09:49am

re: #73 Occasional Reader

Press "1" for a "Little Bird" gun run; press "2" for a JDAM; press "3" for a Tomahawk; press "4" for a Seal Team.

What does pressing "0" for the operator get them?

85 Dustyvet  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:10:44am

re: #84 Honorary Yooper

What does pressing "0" for the operator get them?

The whole shooting match...:)

86 Kenneth  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:10:51am

re: #78 WrathofG-d

After doing some research on Malcolm X, and the Nation Of Islam, I came to the realization that Trinity really seemed to be nothing more than The Nation of Islam with a fake Christianity foundation coating

87 uncc_compman  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:10:51am

re: #84 Honorary Yooper

What does pressing "0" for the operator get them?

Obama while he's eating his waffle.

88 Occasional Reader  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:11:00am

re: #84 Honorary Yooper

What does pressing "0" for the operator get them?

An operator, of course. A Delta operator.

89 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:11:34am
90 rawmuse  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:11:40am

re: #15 eschew_obfuscation

IIRC a good muslim has to offer his next victim the option of converting before he is attacked......

I hope Obama goes all "ghetto" on his ass.

91 abolitionist  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:12:05am

The ideologies of socialism and of islam are close in some ways. Scary close. There's the promise of free stuff --provided it can be rightiously stolen --and there's an implied promise of social equality. In socialism individuals are subservient to the state. In islam all men are slaves to allah (but females are property).

92 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:12:42am

re: #83 legalpad

Depends on why they are reluctant to learn.

As a doc, has had first hand experience dealing with gun shot victims. I have always respected that, and never pushed it, but . . .

93 Ben Hur  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:12:47am

re: #76 Joo-LiZ

Easy for her to write sitting in her luxurious American cacoon.

I'm sure she thinks she knows what's best for the Israelis - people who actually have no choice but to fight and watch their children and their neighbor's children fight and die and their enemies children sent like sheep to the slaughter.

94 keyword  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:12:56am

These words from the mouth of a mere cleric (field commander) are meaningless. Now, had they come from an imam (division commander), I would have taken them more seriously.

95 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:13:04am

re: #90 rawmuse

I hope Obama goes all "ghetto" on his ass.

You will be hoping for a very long time.

96 redc1c4  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:13:34am

re: #12 2by2

Would you follow an "Invitation" from a guy who wags his fingers at you like that?

i'd give him an invitation right back: "Go fuck yourself."

/bitter clingy grunt

97 Occasional Reader  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:13:38am

Okay, Canuck lizards, is this a fair summation of what's going on in your country?

Count me among the confused Yankees. Calling the Queen? Huh?

98 subsailor68  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:13:39am

re: #82 Creeping Eruption

OT: Anyone here ever have to convince a spouse to learn how to use a firearm? If so, what did you do?

I was lucky. Here in my part of Texas quite a few of her friends (women) have concealed carry and shoot for recreation - kind of a club. She started with my grandfather's old police S&W .38, then moved on to the Glock 19 and 26.

She's a very good shot. I did hear that women tend to be good from the get-go, but then either decide they like it and keep on, or don't and give it up.

She's in the former group.

:-)

99 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:13:40am

Yada Yada Yada Be Upon Him.

100 redc1c4  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:14:00am

re: #95 Jetpilot1101

You will be hoping for a very long time.

but not seeing any change.............

101 ROPMA  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:15:00am

In addition to communicating with the local air traffic control facility, aircraft are required to give the Iranian Air Defense Radar a ten minute "heads up" that they will be transiting Iranian airspace. This is a common procedure for commercial aircraft and involves giving them your call sign, transponder code, type aircraft, and points of origin and destination. This exchange was overheard on the VHF Guard (emergency) frequency 121.5 MHz while flying from Europe to Dubai.

Air Defense Radar: "Unknown aircraft at (location undisclosed), you are in Iranian airspace. Identify yourself."

Aircraft: "This is a United States aircraft. I am in Iraqi airspace."

Air Defense Radar: "You are in Iranian airspace. If you do not depart our airspace we will launch interceptor aircraft!"

Aircraft: "Roger that. This is a United States Navy F-18 fighter jet. Send 'em up!"

102 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:15:02am

re: #98 subsailor68

I was lucky. Here in my part of Texas quite a few of her friends (women) have concealed carry and shoot for recreation - kind of a club. She started with my grandfather's old police S&W .38, then moved on to the Glock 19 and 26.

She's a very good shot. I did hear that women tend to be good from the get-go, but then either decide they like it and keep on, or don't and give it up.

She's in the former group.

:-)

I dont care if she likes it or not. I just need her to learn how to use it.

103 Dave the.....  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:16:01am

And I thought public access TV was weird here.....

104 2by2  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:16:21am
105 WrathofG-d  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:16:45am

re: #86 Kenneth

As a Jew, I am in no position to know what is "real" or "fake" as far as Christianity goes.

I was only attempting to point out that BLT/TCC is the Christian version of N.O.I.

N.O.I teaches that Blacks are victims, Whites are the devil, America has been nothing but bad, and only their version of Islam can save you.

B.L.T/TCC teaches that Blacks are victims, Whites are the devil, America has been nothing but bad, and only their version of Christianity can save you.

106 subsailor68  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:17:09am

re: #102 Creeping Eruption

I dont care if she likes it or not. I just need her to learn how to use it.

Ah, gotcha. What is it you'd like her to learn to use? Pistol, shotgun?

107 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:17:11am

re: #78 WrathofG-d

After doing some research on Malcolm X, and the Nation Of Islam, I came to the realization that Trinity really seemed to be nothing more than The Nation of Islam with a Christianity foundation.

Take NOI and replace its' Islam with Christianity and you get Trinity!

BLT = Nation Of Christianity

In both instances, NOI and Trinity, people using a very thin veneer of religion to disguise and/or justify their naked lust for power and domination of all they survey.

108 redc1c4  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:18:03am

re: #26 LibraryGryffon

Since when did the US president-elect become the leader of Europe?

well, since Juggy is a "citizen of the world"......

109 DistantThunder  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:18:38am

....I get the impression this is an "or else" kind of invitation.

110 redstateredneck  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:18:51am

re: #108 redc1c4

well, since Juggy is a "citizen of the world"......


He is who we've been waiting for...

111 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:18:54am

re: #106 subsailor68

Ah, gotcha. What is it you'd like her to learn to use? Pistol, shotgun?

Both. Pistol first. I have a .357 but refuse to keep it in the house because she will not learn to use it. I would teach her with a .38 or 9mm.

112 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:19:13am

re: #44 Sharmuta

Yes, it's an Islamic custom to invite your enemy to Islam before you attack.

113 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:20:32am

re: #109 DistantThunderMe too!
"Convert and LIVE?
So, Convert not,and die?

114 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:20:44am

re: #105 WrathofG-d

In other words the words of the Dear Leader is the authoritative end-all of God's ideals. Jim Jones would be proud.

115 redc1c4  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:21:10am

re: #102 Creeping Eruption

I dont care if she likes it or not. I just need her to learn how to use it.

wrong attitude...... but if you really want someone to learn to use/handle/be safe with firearms, find a local range that employs NRA certified instructors, and in your case, female ones, to give the training. drop her off with the instructor and then leave the area. let the women deal with it themselves, and quietly accept the results, whatever they may be.

/free advice

116 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:21:15am

re: #102 Creeping Eruption

You might have her use target rounds in the beginning. When I was learning, my husband had hollow point ammo in the little 38 cal. revolver that we had. Scared me to death with the flame and all. LOL In those days our local police let civilians come to their range and that's where we were. One of the officers gave my hubby half a box of target rounds to get me comfortable with the whole thing and I did. Finally he loaded five target rounds and one hollow point. Heh, I got a bullseye with the hollow point.

117 nyc redneck  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:21:32am

the O cares abt. the O.
he is a narcissist.
he is going to disappoint a lot of people.
he will not be making good on the free gas money and mortgage checks for the poor people he conned into voting for him.
he is not going to convert to islam and hang out in caves w/ these savages.
the O likes it nice.
and he is smart enough to know these scum are dangerous. he will spurn them and their arrogant 'invitation' to join the rop.
he wants to survive.
he's going to learn some hard lessons, the hard way.
barbarians do not make nice play mates.
this fact will be staring him in the face.

118 rawmuse  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:21:34am

re: #112 Killgore Trout

Yes, it's an Islamic custom to invite your enemy to Islam before you attack.

I think Osama bin Hidin' issued one of those post 9-11. He got his sequence wrong.

119 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:21:48am

re: #52 SummerSong

"no peace as long as a single Muslim child lacks food, drink, medicine, or housing."

Oh brother.

That pretty well guarantees muslim children will lack food, drink, medicine, and housing....

120 Kenneth  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:22:11am

re: #97 Occasional Reader

PM Harper met with the Governor General Michaelle Jean this morning. She agreed to allow Parliament to be prorogated unit January, when the Conservative gov't will table a budget. The putative coalition of Liberals, NDP & Bloc are incensed, but as we just had an election 7 weeks ago and the opposition parties all lost seats, they hardly have a mandate to form a gov't. Which is what they wanted to do.

Technically, the Queen of England is the Canadian Head of State, although in practice, that role is carried by the Governor General. The GG is appointed by the Queen after being nominated by Parliament. The current GG is Michaelle Jean, born in Haiti, immigrated to & raised in Quebec. Which means, Obama is not the first Black Head of State of a Western country, our Michaelle is.

121 redc1c4  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:22:20am

re: #111 Creeping Eruption

Both. Pistol first. I have a .357 but refuse to keep it in the house because she will not learn to use it. I would teach her with a .38 or 9mm.

see my #115 for a suggestion on getting her to take training.

122 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:22:32am

re: #113 reloadingisnotahobby

Me too!
"Convert and LIVE?
So, Convert not,and die?

Yes Yoda.

123 yma o hyd  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:22:37am

Gawd - why do these 'scholars' always have to use the wagging finger?
Its not funny any longer!

124 Spiny Norman  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:22:39am

re: #78 WrathofG-d

After doing some research on Malcolm X, and the Nation Of Islam, I came to the realization that Trinity really seemed to be nothing more than The Nation of Islam with a Christianity foundation.

Take NOI and replace its' Islam with Christianity and you get Trinity!

BLT = Nation Of Christianity

The "Christian" part of the TUCC is more like vinyl siding installed over old clapboards than a "foundation".

125 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:23:12am

re: #118 rawmuse

I think Osama bin Hidin' issued one of those post 9-11. He got his sequence wrong.

OBL had issued several in the years before 9/11. Clinton got the messages, and we all know how he responded.

126 doppelganglander  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:23:24am

Does this mean that Obama is not regarded as an apostate Muslim by the extremists? Personally, I'm fighting radical Islam and creeping sharia by playing the Swinging Christmas station on Pandora.

127 Kenneth  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:24:05am

re: #105 WrathofG-d

I quite agree with your point. It was the use of the term "foundation"... I don;t think Christianity is at the foundation or core of that "faith". It's merely a veneer laid over it. Which is, I think, what you were trying to say.

128 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:24:10am

re: #115 redc1c4

wrong attitude...... but if you really want someone to learn to use/handle/be safe with firearms, find a local range that employs NRA certified instructors, and in your case, female ones, to give the training. drop her off with the instructor and then leave the area. let the women deal with it themselves, and quietly accept the results, whatever they may be.

/free advice

The range I go to has NRA cert. instructors. There is no fucking way I can even get her to pick up a gun. She would skin me alive if I did that.

129 WrathofG-d  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:24:20am

re: #107 FurryOldGuyJeans

In both instances, NOI and Trinity, people using a very thin veneer of religion to disguise and/or justify their naked lust for power and domination of all they survey.

Exactly. There is historical evidence that American society has not been good to Blacks, and they would benefit greatly by self-reliance, further education, and an expanded pride. If this is where the lectures ended, I would agree. But they do not. The institutions create boogeymen, instill victimology, then claim that they are the only ones that can save them. Just like Elijah Poole "Muhammad", BLT uses this mixture to make himself rich and considered a "living god" by his followers. What starts off as a very positive, empowering environment, quickly becomes a system that only serves those in charge. Jeremiah Wright's multi-million dollar home is a perfect example.

130 Occasional Reader  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:24:45am

re: #120 Kenneth

Thanks. I think y'all need to have a Revolution to free yourselves of the Crown. We could give you some pointers...

131 subsailor68  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:25:02am

re: #111 Creeping Eruption

Both. Pistol first. I have a .357 but refuse to keep it in the house because she will not learn to use it. I would teach her with a .38 or 9mm.

Sounds like a plan. My wife got comfortable with both the revolver and the semi very quickly, but actually ended up preferring the .38. She even got to the point where she agreed it would be good to have them loaded and stored in places where she could get to them quickly if needed. (We don't have kids, so it's a little easier. With kids it's tough.)

132 Spiny Norman  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:25:26am

re: #105 WrathofG-d

As a Jew, I am in no position to know what is "real" or "fake" as far as Christianity goes.

I was only attempting to point out that BLT/TCC is the Christian version of N.O.I.

N.O.I teaches that Blacks are victims, Whites are the devil, America has been nothing but bad, and only their version of Islam can save you.

B.L.T/TCC teaches that Blacks are victims, Whites are the devil, America has been nothing but bad, and only their version of Christianity can save you.

Oh, that's 100% correct. I was trying to make a joke in my #124.

;^)

133 winston06  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:25:48am

I thought he was already a Muslim

134 picaro  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:25:58am

Convert? I thought that Obama was already considered by Islam to be one of them from birth due to his father's faith. That would make him an apostate Muslim.

135 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:26:09am

re: #124 Spiny Norman

The "Christian" part of the TUCC is more like vinyl siding installed over old clapboards than a "foundation".

Whited sepulchres, eh?

136 BigMac  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:26:13am

NUTS.

137 yma o hyd  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:26:17am

re: #65 WrathofG-d

I see, once again, blame it on the Jews.

Did you seriously expect anything else?
Creeping anti-semitism is coming out of its subterranean dwelling places more and more often, across the Western world - which really really ought to know better ...

138 winston06  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:26:26am

re: #134 picaro

my thoughts 2

139 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:26:32am

re: #118 rawmuse

I think Osama bin Hidin' issued one of those post 9-11. He got his sequence wrong.

I seem to recall that OBL issued his invitation to Islam if his declaration of war which was a few years before 911.

140 legalpad  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:26:35am

re: #92 Creeping Eruption

As a doc, has had first hand experience dealing with gun shot victims. I have always respected that, and never pushed it, but . . .

I've taught two wives how to shoot (not simultaneous). Both very good shots, no prior experience. If it is presented in the context of extreme procedural safety and a deadly serious concern for the horrors of error in the context of the horrors of being a helpless victim - it may have a chance. Your example and your comportment with regard to firearms will probably be the key.

141 WrathofG-d  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:26:38am

What I do find most interesting about this Egyptian Muslim Cleric's statement is that it means that he doesn't consider Obama Muslim. This is odd insofar that because President-Elect Obama's father was Muslim, by Muslim law that would make Obama Muslim.

142 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:27:04am

re: #131 subsailor68

Sounds like a plan. My wife got comfortable with both the revolver and the semi very quickly, but actually ended up preferring the .38. She even got to the point where she agreed it would be good to have them loaded and stored in places where she could get to them quickly if needed. (We don't have kids, so it's a little easier. With kids it's tough.)

Thinking of pulling out all the stops and offering to take my MIL to the range. She is a very proper, put-together doting Jewish mother. I have heard her recently say that she thinks all Jews should learn to use a gun. I have tried everything else, this may be my last hope.

143 Kenneth  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:27:05am

re: #130 Occasional Reader

Why? We are quite content with the situation. The monarchy is not the problem in Canadian politics. If we get rid of the Monarch/GG as Head of State, we will have to invent something else to take it's place.

144 maddogg  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:27:26am

Does anyone really think this hairy camel's butt gives a fat rat's ass about the plight of Muslim children? Because I am reminded of Bill Clinton's finger wagging and "I feel yer pain" disingenuous horseshit, which was done to make the weak minded people who voted for him think he gave a damn, which he didn't, except for his use for personal gain.

145 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:27:28am

re: #137 yma o hyd

Did you seriously expect anything else?
Creeping anti-semitism is coming out of its subterranean dwelling places more and more often, across the Western world - which really really ought to know better ...

Do I need to change my nic?

146 Occasional Reader  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:27:59am

re: #143 Kenneth

If we get rid of the Monarch/GG as Head of State, we will have to invent something else to take it's place.

Well, I was getting to that. I propose: Me.

147 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:28:01am

re: #134 picaro

I've never studied Islam....Who needs to?"By their fruits ye shall know them"!
But that makes me...(us) less an infidel that Barry!

148 Occasional Reader  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:28:13am

Lunch!

149 Spiny Norman  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:28:19am

re: #129 WrathofG-d

Exactly. There is historical evidence that American society has not been good to Blacks, and they would benefit greatly by self-reliance, further education, and an expanded pride. If this is where the lectures ended, I would agree. But they do not. The institutions create boogeymen, instill victimology, then claim that they are the only ones that can save them. Just like Elijah Poole "Muhammad", BLT uses this mixture to make himself rich and considered a "living god" by his followers. What starts off as a very positive, empowering environment, quickly becomes a system that only serves those in charge. Jeremiah Wright's multi-million dollar home is a perfect example.

I suspect there never was a "positive, empowering environment" per se, just charlatans shamelessly exploiting their victims' audience's heart-felt desire for it.

150 Kenneth  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:28:50am

re: #134 picaro

Convert? I thought that Obama was already considered by Islam to be one of them from birth due to his father's faith. That would make him an apostate Muslim.

He is also known to have recited the Shahadah, or declaration of faith, when he was a child in Indonesia. Technically, under Sharia Obama is an apostate Muslim.

151 Spiny Norman  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:28:52am

re: #135 FurryOldGuyJeans

Whited sepulchres, eh?

There ya go!

152 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:29:04am

We'll get right on that conversion.

/see, we infidels can do taqqiya too!

153 rawmuse  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:29:28am

re: #139 Killgore Trout

I seem to recall that OBL issued his invitation to Islam if his declaration of war which was a few years before 911.

There was a video post 9-11 in which he said, "America, this is your call to Islam" or words to that effect. That may have been the first time I ever heard of this asshole, if you say a prior statement occurred, then I stand corrected.

154 Spiny Norman  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:29:43am

re: #148 Occasional Reader

Lunch!

Who's buying the martinis?

155 Iron Fist  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:29:46am

Now, folks, they've been telling us for years that they are "eager for death" and such. Can't we just give them what they are asking for, and be on our merry way? I'm not seeing a down side here.

156 Rune  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:29:50am

heh. Byzantium. United States of Byzantium. Barack Pontius Maximus Obama.

157 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:30:05am

re: #152 MrSilverDragon

We'll get right on that conversion.

/see, we infidels can do taqqiya too!

What kind of taqqiya do you like? I am a fan of Don Julio myself.

158 redstateredneck  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:30:11am

re: #128 Creeping Eruption

The range I go to has NRA cert. instructors. There is no fucking way I can even get her to pick up a gun. She would skin me alive if I did that.

If she is that scared of a gun maybe you should just let it go.

159 subsailor68  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:30:15am

re: #142 Creeping Eruption

Thinking of pulling out all the stops and offering to take my MIL to the range. She is a very proper, put-together doting Jewish mother. I have heard her recently say that she thinks all Jews should learn to use a gun. I have tried everything else, this may be my last hope.

That might actually work. If MIL goes for it, you'll have an ally!

160 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:30:35am

re: #158 redstateredneck

If she is that scared of a gun maybe you should just let it go.

Would you?

161 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:30:42am

re: #129 WrathofG-d

Neither NOI nor Trinity show signs of having been anything other than a cultish prop of gaining power and money for the Leaders.

162 lifeofthemind  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:30:46am

re: #101 ROPMA

Possibly apocryphal story from Vietnam days.
Eager Ensign has the Bridge watch in the South China Sea when the Combat Information Center reports a large contact approaching from the North- West so that its course would cut across the bow of the destroyer and pass to port. Technical notes, the destroyer had the "right of way" under the Rules of the Road and the proper thing to do is pass to starboard if possible. When you meet an unidentified contact you have it identify itself using cryptography forms that are shared by all US ships. When you hear a given two letter code you check the time and your crypto and give the correct response. Failure to properly identify yourself in a war zone could be considered a hostile act. The contact would be expected to identify itself and then turn to port, that is turn left and pass down the destroyer's starboard, that is right, side.

The Ensign grabbed the crypto gear and keyed his radio, "Unidentified contact this is the United States Warship "Umptysquat" identify Whiskey Tango, over." After a brief pause a voice came through the ether. ""Umptysquat this is the USS New Jersey, you may fire when ready, over."

163 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:30:58am

re: #159 subsailor68

That might actually work. If MIL goes for it, you'll have an ally!

There is a first time for everything. LOL.

164 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:31:02am

Nothing like a fire alarm to spice up your day.

We were joking it was just the fastest way to get everyone out of the building for the next round of layoffs

165 redc1c4  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:31:02am

re: #82 Creeping Eruption

OT: Anyone here ever have to convince a spouse to learn how to use a firearm? If so, what did you do?

1. check with local shooting clubs/ranges to see who has NRA certified female instructors. talk with one or more of them about your spouse, and explain what you want to accomplish. listen to whatever advice they offer. make arrangements for a block of training.

2. sit down with your wife, and calmly explain why you want her to take at least basic safety training, and that you have arranged for her to receive it in a safe and structured environment, with a trained instructor.

3. drop her off with her instructor, and go to the other end of the range and put holes in paper. do NOT hang around where she is. when she's done, take her someplace nice that she likes for a snack/drink/meal. let her bring up the subject of the class and how she felt about it. if she *still* doesn't want to be involved, let it go: at least she's been trained on safe handling at this point.

/free advice

166 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:31:20am

OT: Funny how the auto bailout has grown from 25 billion to 34 billion.

167 DistantThunder  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:31:50am
Brain Differences Between Rich and Poor Kids

University of California, Berkeley, researchers have shown for the first time that the brains of low-income children function differently from the brains of high-income kids.

In a study recently accepted for publication in the Journal of Cognitive Neuroscience, scientists at UC Berkeley's Helen Wills Neuroscience Institute and the School of Public Health report that normal 9- and 10-year-olds differing only in socioeconomic status have detectable differences in the response of their prefrontal cortex, the part of the brain that is critical for problem solving and creativity.

Brain function was measured by means of an electroencephalograph (EEG) – basically, a cap fitted with electrodes to measure electrical activity in the brain – like that used to assess epilepsy, sleep disorders and brain tumors.

"Kids from lower socioeconomic levels show brain physiology patterns similar to someone who actually had damage in the frontal lobe as an adult," said Robert Knight, director of the institute and a UC Berkeley professor of psychology. "We found that kids are more likely to have a low response if they have low socioeconomic status, though not everyone who is poor has low frontal lobe response."

Previous studies have shown a possible link between frontal lobe function and behavioral differences in children from low and high socioeconomic levels, but according to cognitive psychologist Mark Kishiyama, first author of the new paper, "those studies were only indirect measures of brain function and could not disentangle the effects of intelligence, language proficiency and other factors that tend to be associated with low socioeconomic status. Our study is the first with direct measure of brain activity where there is no issue of task complexity."

Co-author W. Thomas Boyce, UC Berkeley professor emeritus of public health who currently is the British Columbia Leadership Chair of Child Development at the University of British Columbia (UBC), is not surprised by the results. "We know kids growing up in resource-poor environments have more trouble with the kinds of behavioral control that the prefrontal cortex is involved in regulating. But the fact that we see functional differences in prefrontal cortex response in lower socioeconomic status kids is definitive."

Boyce, a pediatrician and developmental psychobiologist, heads a joint UC Berkeley/UBC research program called WINKS – Wellness in Kids – that looks at how the disadvantages of growing up in low socioeconomic circumstances change children's basic neural development over the first several years of life.

"This is a wake-up call," Knight said. "It's not just that these kids are poor and more likely to have health problems, but they might actually not be getting full brain development from the stressful and relatively impoverished environment associated with low socioeconomic status: fewer books, less reading, fewer games, fewer visits to museums."

Kishiyama, Knight and Boyce suspect that the brain differences can be eliminated by proper training. They are collaborating with UC Berkeley neuroscientists who use games to improve the prefrontal cortex function, and thus the reasoning ability, of school-age children.

"It's not a life sentence," Knight emphasized. "We think that with proper intervention and training, you could get improvement in both behavioral and physiological indices."

168 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:31:54am
169 Kenneth  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:32:22am

re: #146 Occasional Reader

Are you sure you want the job? You have to hang out with some rather unpleasant people (ie. Canadian politicians), read tedious speeches, open schools in Nunavit and shake hands with every visiting dignitary. Booooring.

170 outsidephilly  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:32:37am

O.T.
Your text to link...
Specifically, Fattah referred to an Obama education proposal to provide a $4,000 college-tuition tax credit to students who dedicate 100 hours to community service. "I think there will be a more than adequate substitute for Philly in the immediate future," he said. Created by Fattah in 2003, CORE Philly has awarded $24 million in scholarships.

171 redc1c4  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:32:40am

re: #128 Creeping Eruption

The range I go to has NRA cert. instructors. There is no fucking way I can even get her to pick up a gun. She would skin me alive if I did that.

then your best bet is to just let it go...... unless you can get one of them to talk to her. unfortunately, you may have already pushed too hard on the subject for that to w*rk.

172 Joker23  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:32:47am

re: #47 Occasional Reader

Next time we receive a "call to Islam", I say we put it on hold, with the Muzak, for at least 45 minutes.

OT - I was having a really bad day, then I read this and giggled like a kid.

Thank you.

173 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:33:08am

re: #166 Jetpilot1101

No ones laughing tho!

174 DistantThunder  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:33:08am

re: #170 outsidephilly

O.T.
Your text to link...
Specifically, Fattah referred to an Obama education proposal to provide a $4,000 college-tuition tax credit to students who dedicate 100 hours to community service. "I think there will be a more than adequate substitute for Philly in the immediate future," he said. Created by Fattah in 2003, CORE Philly has awarded $24 million in scholarships.

I read that it was 100 hours PER YEAR so 400 total.

175 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:33:21am

re: #166 Jetpilot1101

OT: Funny how the auto bailout has grown from 25 billion to 34 billion.

Not so much funny haha as it is funny hmmmm.

Meanwhile, I'm still sitting by my figure of 20k for a bailout and to aid in restructuring.

176 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:33:42am

re: #165 redc1c4

1. check with local shooting clubs/ranges to see who has NRA certified female instructors. talk with one or more of them about your spouse, and explain what you want to accomplish. listen to whatever advice they offer. make arrangements for a block of training.

2. sit down with your wife, and calmly explain why you want her to take at least basic safety training, and that you have arranged for her to receive it in a safe and structured environment, with a trained instructor.

3. drop her off with her instructor, and go to the other end of the range and put holes in paper. do NOT hang around where she is. when she's done, take her someplace nice that she likes for a snack/drink/meal. let her bring up the subject of the class and how she felt about it. if she *still* doesn't want to be involved, let it go: at least she's been trained on safe handling at this point.

/free advice

I like the idea of calling the instructor first to see what they have to say. Thanks to you and everyone else for the advice.

Happy Chanukah from S & W honey . . .

177 rawmuse  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:33:43am

re: #47 Occasional Reader

Next time we receive a "call to Islam", I say we put it on hold, with the Muzak, for at least 45 minutes.

I suggest "Dancing Queen".
Or any Bee Gees.

178 redc1c4  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:34:07am

re: #160 Creeping Eruption

Would you?

if it meant peace in the house, and i love her? yes.....

179 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:34:41am

re: #166 Jetpilot1101

OT: Funny how the auto bailout has grown from 25 billion to 34 billion.

I doubt the bailout is going to be kept to even a tenth of that if Congress decides to pull a Chavez and nationalize the industry.

180 outsidephilly  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:34:44am

re: #174 DistantThunder

I'm just amazed at how 'easy' it is to 're-work' government money . . . . .

181 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:34:54am

O.K.....since this has now turned into a gun thread :-).....what's the best online store for buying ammunition?

182 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:35:01am

re: #173 reloadingisnotahobby

No ones laughing tho!

I'm sure not. Congress and the two magicians apprentices (Paulson & Bernake) are ruining this country and putting our kids and grandkids in debt up to their eyeballs.

183 redc1c4  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:35:04am

re: #177 rawmuse

I suggest "Dancing Queen".
Or any Bee Gees.

maybe the Chipmunks?

184 yma o hyd  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:35:16am

re: #145 Creeping Eruption

Do I need to change my nic?

Nope - that would be a great pity!

There are a great many nice and/or impressive and laudable creeping things - I'm very fond of molluscs meself ...

185 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:35:21am

re: #123 yma o hyd

Gawd - why do these 'scholars' always have to use the wagging finger?

And where's their 'inside voice' ~ must they always yell?

186 Joan Not of Arc  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:35:27am

Does Obama think he can talk to people like this? Now who is living in a fool's paradise?
Same old Muslim crap- convert or else. No, I like my religion, especially the "Thou shalt not kill" part.

187 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:35:47am

re: #177 rawmuse

I suggest "Dancing Queen".
Or any Bee Gees.

Quit your Jive Talkin'

188 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:35:50am

re: #177 rawmuse

I suggest "Dancing Queen".
Or any Bee Gees.

OT: Are you listening to "Barney Frank the Banking Queen" on Rush right now?

189 TN_Vol  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:36:16am

re: #4 Sharmuta
Know, Obama, that America, with all its size and might, will know no peace, as long as a single Muslim child lacks food, drink, medicine, or housing.

But...... they're supposed to love us now.

Tell them to get in line for the bailout.

190 subsailor68  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:36:46am

re: #163 Creeping Eruption

There is a first time for everything. LOL.

Now that's funny! I never thought about the irony of having your MIL as an ally. Kinda like having a rattlesnake for a pet, eh?

:-)

191 2by2  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:36:50am

re: #167 DistantThunder

oh, great,
does that mean researchers confirm being rich healthy and smart is better than poor sick and stupid?

192 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:37:12am

re: #178 redc1c4

if it meant peace in the house, and i love her? yes.....

Oh, I don't push that hard. Like I said earlier, she has very valid reason which I respect. This has been a slow campaign. I just need to switch up tactics. It is actually more for my kids. When they get older they WILL learn how to use firearms responsibly. It would be nice if she were on board, but we have a long time before I need to worry about that.

193 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:37:17am

re: #157 Creeping Eruption

What kind of taqqiya do you like? I am a fan of Don Julio myself.

Hard to beat Don Julio, but for cost and taste, Antigua Cruz isn't too shabby.

194 itellu3times  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:37:23am

re: #162 lifeofthemind

Cute story, but ... these days, even a rowboat can carry shaped charge RPGs and missiles, that could hole the New Jersey. Sad, ain't it.

195 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:37:27am

The war on Christmas is now the jihad on Christmas.....
School cancels Christmas nativity in favour of Muslim Eid celebrations

Greenwood Junior School sent out a letter to parents saying the three day festival of Eid al-Adha, which takes place between 8-11 December, meant that Muslim children would be off school.

That meant planning for a traditional pantomime were shelved because the school felt it would be too difficult to run both celebrations side by side.

The move has left parents furious.
....
Following outrage from parents, the school was forced to send out a second letter saying that the Christmas play would be done in January.

196 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:37:32am

re: #118 rawmuse

Osama has repeatedly issued dawahs, both before and after 9/11. He wanted to make it clear that he was offering a choice - submit to Islam or face attack.

197 DistantThunder  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:37:39am

re: #191 2by2

oh, great,
does that mean researchers confirm being rich healthy and smart is better than poor sick and stupid?

It means universal pre-school is the only solution to make things "fair."

198 maddogg  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:37:59am

It would make a hell of a lot more sense to bury the rapidly shrinking "big three" than to dig them out of the grave they dug for themselves. I think they would come back a hell of a lot stronger without the dead weight of their upper management and the UAW hanging around their necks. Let them go under, and come up somewhere south in a right to work state.

199 Iron Fist  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:38:04am

re: #189 TN_Vol

I want my goddamn bailout. I'll settle for only a million dollars, on account of I'm feeling generous. We can bail out everyone else after I got mine.

200 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:38:04am

re: #190 subsailor68

Now that's funny! I never thought about the irony of having your MIL as an ally. Kinda like having a rattlesnake for a pet, eh?

:-)

Something along those lines. :)

201 Morganfrost  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:38:06am

The "invitation" wasn't terribly persuasive, was it? All the less so, coming from a fruitcake with a tablecloth on his head who seems incapable of communicating without screaming and pointing his grubby little finger.

202 redstateredneck  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:38:54am

re: #160 Creeping Eruption

Would you?


Would I what..let it go? I'm a she so I'm looking at it from a woman's point of view. If she can't get over her fear of it she would never be able to use it if she had to. As for me, I'd rather have a shotgun than a handgun if I were at home defending myself.

203 DistantThunder  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:38:59am

re: #198 maddogg

It would make a hell of a lot more sense to bury the rapidly shrinking "big three" than to dig them out of the grave they dug for themselves. I think they would come back a hell of a lot stronger without the dead weight of their upper management and the UAW hanging around their necks. Let them go under, and come up somewhere south in a right to work state.

Romney - turn around wizard and financial genius, agrees with you. But let's all listen to BArney Frank - shall we?

204 Alouette  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:39:07am

re: #53 Ben Hur

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

Brought to you by the LATIMES.

I would like to read her column the day after the LA Times office is attacked.

205 yma o hyd  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:39:25am

re: #167 DistantThunder

Reading stuff like that, one really starts to wonder how come so many kids from 'poor' families became so successful in life ... and one also wonders how on earth humanity has managed to actually stop using stone tools and got itself to using computers ...

206 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:39:50am

re: #203 DistantThunder

Romney - turn around wizard and financial genius, agrees with you. But let's all listen to BArney Frank - shall we?

Well he does know how to run a homosexual brothel out of his home.

207 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:39:52am
208 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:40:15am

It's official... the Canadian Governor General has Prorogued parliament (essentially ended the previous session).

The liberal & separatist coalition can no longer bring down the conservatives until the end of January at the earliest.

I don't know how much I like this whole situation, it's kinda icky.

209 2by2  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:40:59am

re: #197 DistantThunder

It means universal pre-school is the only solution to make things "fair."

Sounds like the redistribution of wealth might help as well.

210 yma o hyd  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:41:43am

re: #185 scottishbuzzsaw

And where's their 'inside voice' ~ must they always yell?

Yep - they gotta yell!
Stupid people have to be yelled at, to make them understand. And for them, we're all stupid ...

Hiya, {scotti}

211 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:42:35am

re: #202 redstateredneck

Would I what..let it go? I'm a she so I'm looking at it from a woman's point of view. If she can't get over her fear of it she would never be able to use it if she had to. As for me, I'd rather have a shotgun than a handgun if I were at home defending myself.

Idea is to start small. I don't really need it for home defense. I cannot ever remember hearing about a break-in in my neighborhood - ever. It just does not happen. That being said, chance favors the prepared. The shotgun will be for "Pheasant hunting," but she will never know enough to ask why I have an 18 inch barrel on shotgun, just know enough to know how to use it. :)

212 Land Shark  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:42:57am

Man, these Islamonutcases never change. Convert or die, jadda jadda, blah, blah, blah. Same Islam, different Mule-ah. Religion Of Peace my ass.

Notice he has that same skid mark on his forehead from banging his empty head on the floor while praying like all those other idiot Mule-ahs have. What dickweeds.

213 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:43:10am

re: #210 yma o hyd

Yep - they gotta yell!
Stupid people have to be yelled at, to make them understand. And for them, we're all stupid ...

Hiya, {scotti}

Hi there, {yma}...it's been awhile! How are you and Miss Dog?

214 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:44:14am

re: #204 Alouette

I would like to read her column the day after the LA Times office is attacked.

Reality disconnect in full effect.

215 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:44:24am
Know, Obama, that in the lands of Islam, there are people who seek death, and are eager for it, even more than you and your people are eager for life – any kind of life, even a life of humiliation.

Can we call it an evil death cult now?

216 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:44:40am

re: #215 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Can we call it an evil death cult now?

Islamophobe!

217 redc1c4  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:44:58am

re: #192 Creeping Eruption

Oh, I don't push that hard. Like I said earlier, she has very valid reason which I respect. This has been a slow campaign. I just need to switch up tactics. It is actually more for my kids. When they get older they WILL learn how to use firearms responsibly. It would be nice if she were on board, but we have a long time before I need to worry about that.

maybe you could start by meeting with an instructor away from the range in a gun free environment, to talk over the issue, stressing safety issues. she doesn't need to fire one necessarily, but she needs to be safe around them.

iirc, you said she's in health care. we routinely receive safety training, even on items we don't use, just to reduce accidents. sell this the same way.

218 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:45:22am

re: #215 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Can we call it an evil death cult now?

Racist!

219 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:45:33am
220 redstateredneck  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:45:47am

re: #211 Creeping Eruption

I grew up in rural Missouri, so most girls had shot a gun by the time they were adults. If you could ever get her to try it for hunting, maybe that would work.

221 rawmuse  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:46:16am

re: #188 Jetpilot1101

OT: Are you listening to "Barney Frank the Banking Queen" on Rush right now?

That came on the second I hit the "post this comment" button, I swear!

222 hellosnackbar  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:46:22am

Islamic lunatics continue to broadcast their own brand of comedy; demanding attention from the rest of the serious world.
The only problem is that their world is still entrenched in the 7th century;
the frantic finger waving and the message to convert to Islam(or else!) has become quite boring and is over ripe for satirical denigration.
Sadly due to PC(aka. censorship) a thick seam of satirical fun has never been mined. Until now!
Chris Morris, a highly talented British satirist, is at an advanced stage of planning a comedy film in which insane Imams and wannabe suicide bombers
are subject to his caustic humour.(the fact that the BBC and even Channel4 have turned him down is sufficient evidence that we can expect something
that will have "the Ropers" seething for a generation.)
In reponse to this "scholar's" kindly invitation I wonder if "Barry" will have the balls to tell him to 'cough.(as in go away!).

223 yma o hyd  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:46:37am

re: #209 2by2

Sounds like the redistribution of wealth might help as well.

Ye hit the nail on the head - thats what this is all about!
Take the money from those who work (its called 'tax'), and give it to those who don't want to work.
Never mind that this approach has faild time and time again - thousands of moonbats cannot be wrong!

224 reine.de.tout  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:46:49am

Good afternoon, all!
Yma, Scotti, HH, Ploooooooooooome!

225 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:48:59am

re: #219 buzzsawmonkey

What a f*cking moron. The DC sniper was clearly an example of Sudden Jihad Syndrome, and there are still unanswered questions as to whether McVeigh was acting as a soldier of fortune on behalf of some Islamist moneymen.

Not that it really matter whether or not they were influenced by Islam.

The fact that there are other terrorists out there does not negate the fact of Radical Islamic terror.

Just because being rid of that particular strand of terrorist motivation doesn't remove ALL terrorist acts in the world, does not mean that it won't remove a large portion of it.

It's like saying... "I'm gonna clean up the streets of New York, and help all those in poverty." Then her saying "but.... but... there are those in poverty in Chicago as well! You shouldn't clean up New York, because poverty is an age old tradition, and besides, cleaning up New York won't solve it everywhere"

226 yma o hyd  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:49:01am

re: #213 scottishbuzzsaw

Hi there, {yma}...it's been awhile! How are you and Miss Dog?

Miss Dog is fine - today she played with a traffic cone which had ended up in the park! It was soo funny, and she really insisted on playing with it.
Me - slowly crawling out from under a dreadful sinus infection ...
This cold weather we're having doesn't help much either ...

How are things across the pond for you?

227 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:49:20am

re: #43 Ezekiel2517

Did George Carlin make this video shortly before he died?

I just about to post that. The resemblance is uncanny.

228 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:49:43am

re: #220 redstateredneck

I grew up in rural Missouri, so most girls had shot a gun by the time they were adults. If you could ever get her to try it for hunting, maybe that would work.

All this talk! I might have to ditch work and go to the range.

229 Crashnburn  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:49:52am

Is it just me, or does this guy look like George Carlin in costume?

230 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:50:11am

re: #224 reine.de.tout

Good afternoon, all!
Yma, Scotti, HH, Ploooooooooooome!

{Reine}!

231 realwest  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:50:18am

re: #224 reine.de.tout
Good afternoon reine! How are you today?

232 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:50:26am

Mpac praises dhimmis......
Action Alert: Galaxy FM issue public apology

On Saturday 29th November at approximately 10pm, local Birmingham Radio station, Galaxy FM aired a very controversial song. The song by artist Busta Rhymes, titled ‘Arab Money’ featured the words of Surah Fateha, from the Holy Qur'an . This was a remix version which has offended many Muslims in and around the West Midlands. The song was also played by Galaxy Manchester.
Quick Public Apology issued

Usually, MPACUK encourages Muslims to complain about such issues. However in this case, Galaxy has already reacted both quickly and responsibly.They have acknowledged the song was offensive and have issued a public apology on air, on both Galaxy Manchester and Galaxy Birmingham. Additionally an apology has been issued on their website. They have also advised us that the presenter who played the song originally on Galaxy Birmingham, has been suspended and there will be a full investigation.

What you can do.

It is rare for any media organisation to take such actions and so fast. Many organisations often justify their anti-Muslim behaviour as opposed to acknowledging it, apologising and taking swift action against those responsible. Galaxy’s behaviour needs to be recognised by Muslims.

233 yma o hyd  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:50:35am

re: #224 reine.de.tout

Good afternoon, all!
Yma, Scotti, HH, Ploooooooooooome!

{reine}!

How are you?

234 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:51:11am

re: #229 Crashnburn

Is it just me, or does this guy look like George Carlin in costume?

Maybe Carlin really didn't die . . . he has just gone under cover to make the ROP'ers look like bigger idiots. Oops. did I say that? I feel a fatwa coming down the line.

235 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:51:19am

re: #222 hellosnackbar

Islamic lunatics continue to broadcast their own brand of comedy

I was in Venezuela a few weeks back and they had two Iranian channels on basic cable. It was all jihad with a smattering of news and sports.

236 Iron Fist  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:51:26am

re: #192 Creeping Eruption

I'm trying to do the same with my current girlfriend. We agree that she needs to get a pistol and a carry permit, it's just getting her to actually do it that's the problem. It doesn' thelp that Smith and Wessons have gotten so damn expensive. We found the perfect gun for her at the gun show last weekend. It was $790. For a little stainless .38 DAO/Pocket hammer pistol.

We may decide to go Charter Arms. They make solid guns that are more in line with what she's willing to spend.

237 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:51:36am

re: #18 pat

Get the towel off your head, jerk. You not only look silly, but your pissing Obama off.

Don't you mean Osama? I get so confused.

238 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:51:52am

re: #229 Crashnburn

Is it just me, or does this guy look like George Carlin in costume?

It's not just you.

239 Dustyvet  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:51:53am

re: #180 outsidephilly

I'm just amazed at how 'easy' it is to 're-work' government money . . . . .

All done with the on-off switch on a U S Mint printing press.

240 realwest  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:52:11am

re: #229 Crashnburn
Well there is a resemblence but since George died a while ago, I don't think it's him!

241 Big Steve  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:52:13am

whoa.....I mean WHOA.....Islam is the only true religion? Wow like no other religion has made that claim as well. I am shocked beyond belief.

242 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:52:17am

OT (This is the conservative paper in town)

Rocky Mountain News for sale
By The Denver Post
Updated: 12/04/2008 11:21:52 AM MST

E.W. Scripps said today it is putting the Rocky Mountain News up for sale.

Cincinnati-based Scripps said challenging conditions in the newspaper industry are forcing the attempted sale.
"The decision to seek a buyer for the Rocky would have been unthinkable until recently," said Rich Boehne, president and CEO of Scripps, "but the operating conditions have become increasing difficult in Denver, as is the case in all major metropolitan newspaper markets."

Scripps said it has lost about $11 million in Denver through the first nine months of the year.

243 redc1c4  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:52:28am

re: #232 Killgore Trout
"Galaxy’s behaviour needs to be recognised by Muslims."

Mpac praises dhimmis......
Action Alert: Galaxy FM issue public apology

it will be......... as cowardice to be exploited for furhtr concessions.

next thing you know the station will be broadcasting the calls to prayer.

244 Bubblehead II  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:52:30am

re: #181 eschew_obfuscation

I've had good luck with these guys.

AMMUNITION TO GO

245 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:52:33am

re: #232 Killgore Trout

Mpac praises dhimmis......
Action Alert: Galaxy FM issue public apology

Galaxy’s behaviour needs to be recognised by Muslims.

aka: blood in the water

246 yma o hyd  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:52:55am

re: #235 experiencedtraveller

I was in Venezuela a few weeks back and they had two Iranian channels on basic cable. It was all jihad with a smattering of news and sports.

Sport?
Are they allowed to do sport?
I bet it was just soccer and wrestling ...

247 missouri boy  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:53:29am

OT: Maybe you all have already covered this: Mumbia gunman paid for attack....also this:

Police are also investigating a possible link to the United States – a mobile SIM card found with the terrorists which possibly came from New Jersey.

link

248 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:53:32am

re: #243 redc1c4

cowardice to be exploited for furhtr concessions.


Bingo.

249 maddogg  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:53:39am

re: #220 redstateredneck

I grew up in rural Missouri, so most girls had shot a gun by the time they were adults. If you could ever get her to try it for hunting, maybe that would work.

Didn't work for me. I took my little wife to be rabbit hunting when we were dating. A rabbit jumped and ran a few yards from her and her reaction was to throw my shotgun in the dirt and run the other way. I do believe I'm the only animal in the world she will get into the face of and tell off.

250 realwest  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:53:41am

re: #233 yma o hyd
Hi there yma! How are you doing today?

251 Dustyvet  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:54:06am

re: #241 Big Steve

whoa.....I mean WHOA.....Islam is the only true religion? Wow like no other religion has made that claim as well. I am shocked beyond belief.

Mecca Just got a call from God...it's collect from Salt Lake City...:)

252 redc1c4  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:54:13am

re: #239 Dustyvet

All done with the on-off switch on a U S Mint printing press.

these days it's simple typing figures into a computer file somewhere.

/efficient

253 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:54:18am

re: #236 Iron Fist

I'm trying to do the same with my current girlfriend. We agree that she needs to get a pistol and a carry permit, it's just getting her to actually do it that's the problem. It doesn' thelp that Smith and Wessons have gotten so damn expensive. We found the perfect gun for her at the gun show last weekend. It was $790. For a little stainless .38 DAO/Pocket hammer pistol.

We may decide to go Charter Arms. They make solid guns that are more in line with what she's willing to spend.

That is insanely expensive. This is one of the only areas that my wife and I do not see eye to eye, but has never been a source of friction because I do not push it.

254 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:54:36am

re: #247 missouri boy

Interesting.

255 arethusa  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:54:39am

re: #242 Walter L. Newton

Maybe Lizards should pool funds and buy it, so it doesn't go the way of the rest of the MSM.

256 reine.de.tout  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:54:43am

re: #231 realwest

Good afternoon reine! How are you today?

Hiya, realwest!

I hope you are doing well.

257 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:54:43am

re: #251 Dustyvet

Mecca Just got a call from God...it's collect from Salt Lake City...:)

Heh.

258 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:54:55am

re: #226 yma o hyd

Miss Dog is fine - today she played with a traffic cone which had ended up in the park! It was soo funny, and she really insisted on playing with it.
Me - slowly crawling out from under a dreadful sinus infection ...
This cold weather we're having doesn't help much either ...

How are things across the pond for you?

My old mutt LOVES to play, lives for it, actually...seems like a pup again when he chases his fuzzy hamburger. He'd probably be scared of a cone, though.
So sorry to hear you've been ill. Sinus infections can be so hard to get rid of, and are so painful (my sweetie is prone to them). Hope you're feeling much better soon.
All is well here. We're heading into our celebration month, starting with our anniversary on Monday and ending on New Year's...we are well stocked with champagne. Cheers!

259 nyc redneck  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:55:07am

has anyone mentioned that knot on his forehead?
too much time knocking his noggin on the ground.
he gets money for that.
fcking crazy.
and we should listen to an asshole like that?

260 redc1c4  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:55:35am

re: #249 maddogg

Didn't work for me. I took my little wife to be rabbit hunting when we were dating. A rabbit jumped and ran a few yards from her and her reaction was to throw my shotgun in the dirt and run the other way. I do believe I'm the only animal in the world she will get into the face of and tell off.

you're lucky it didn't go off....... did it damage the finish? %-)

261 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:55:49am

re: #232 Killgore Trout

Mpac praises dhimmis......
Action Alert: Galaxy FM issue public apology

Don't piss off the overlords!

262 maddogg  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:56:17am

re: #259 nyc redneck
I think that knot would like some company:)

263 realwest  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:56:19am

re: #242 Walter L. Newton
Hi Walter - wonder what the circulation figures are for the Rocky Mountain News compared to other Denver area based newspapers are?

264 bosforus  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:56:34am

re: #259 nyc redneck

has anyone mentioned that knot on his forehead?

Makes him look like such a square.
}]

265 nyc redneck  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:56:50am

re: #262 maddogg

I think that knot would like some company:)

a hatchet?

266 formercorpsman  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:56:56am

re: #219 buzzsawmonkey

Buzz, with that last sentence, I assume you are probably familiar with Jayna Davis?

IIRC, she has pursued this angle for quite some time.

267 subsailor68  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:57:01am

re: #236 Iron Fist

Man, tell me about it. I hit the gun shows fairly regularly around here and am amazed at the jump in prices! Started right after the election. Even ammo here is going through the roof!

On the bright side, I've got a line on a Remington 1100 (almost new) that a guy with real money problems is willing to let go for $100. (Haven't seen it yet, so am a little skeptical.)

268 Big Steve  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:57:06am

re: #251 Dustyvet

Mecca Just got a call from God...it's collect from Salt Lake City...:)

and the Vatican is on line 2.

269 realwest  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:57:08am

re: #256 reine.de.tout
I'm doing ok, thanks! How are you doing today?

270 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:57:13am
Know, Obama, that in the lands of Islam, there are people who seek death, and are eager for it, even more than you and your people are eager for life – any kind of life, even a life of humiliation.

Thank you for admitting the truth about Islam, Mr. Assballs.
This is the well-known mantra of the Islamist death cult often noted here at LGF, and steadfastly denied by the MSM/Dem/moonbat coalition despite all evidence.

271 maddogg  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:57:22am

re: #260 redc1c4

you're lucky it didn't go off....... did it damage the finish? %-)

No, the ground was soft. It did nothing to improve our relationship though.

272 maddogg  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:57:57am

re: #265 nyc redneck

a hatchet?

I was thinking a framing hammer...

273 timothyj  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:58:12am

Why is everyone forgetting that BO is not President. George Bush is. I truly hope that he regrows his you know whats and gives some serious hurt to these loud mouthed fools. But he won't, I suppose. Maybe Israel will really destroy Iran's Nukes, and then he will have to do something. Pray they do it before Jan 20th.

274 yma o hyd  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:58:18am

re: #250 realwest

Hi there yma! How are you doing today?

Hiya {rw}!
How are you doing?

We're gloating today because they had four inches maximum of snow in Northern England - and schools were closed, traffic came to a standstill, life came to a stop ...
It happens every winter - what is it with the English that a few inches of snow equal breakdown of society as we know it?

(We didn't have snow here in South Wales ...)

275 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:58:26am
276 realwest  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:58:36am

re: #236 Iron Fist
Hey Bro' - was that a typo? "$790. For a little stainless .38 DAO/Pocket hammer pistol."
$790 bucks for a .38?!?

277 FrogMarch  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:58:39am

Just say no the the big 3 auto bailout.
If Nancy and the corruptocrats want it - it must suck.

Nothing in the plans they submitted to Congress this week modifies our understanding of their predicament — the only thing that has changed is that extra $9 billion added onto the amount of money they want. They are facing the same problems they faced before, and the solutions they have devised are unconvincing. A bailout for the Big Three would only postpone their day of reckoning, at which point they would be back for more money. Bankruptcy, on the other hand, would spare the taxpayers and put the Big Three on a sounder footing for the future.

278 jcbunga  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:59:05am

In the spirit of Baghdad Bob, I now inform him that he is too far from reality.

279 WrathofG-d  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:59:09am

re: #137 yma o hyd

Did you seriously expect anything else?
Creeping anti-semitism is coming out of its subterranean dwelling places more and more often, across the Western world - which really really ought to know better ...

No I don't expect anything better. Anti-Zionism is a polished shell for Anti-Semitism which acts as a door stop tfor blatant Jew hatred to come through.

280 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:59:24am

re: #223 yma o hyd

Ye hit the nail on the head - thats what this is all about!
Take the money from those who work (its called 'tax'), and give it to those who don't want to work.
Never mind that this approach has faild time and time again - thousands of moonbats cannot be wrong!

Yes, redistribution of income is the (unstated) goal of this (so-called) research. Something tells me that this clown never learned the difference between correlation and causation. Hint: less intelligent people tend to be poorer, and to have children who are, on the average, less intelligent. Intelligent children of poor people tend to become not-poor, but not if you tax away all the income that makes them not-poor!

281 yma o hyd  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:59:35am

re: #258 scottishbuzzsaw

My old mutt LOVES to play, lives for it, actually...seems like a pup again when he chases his fuzzy hamburger. He'd probably be scared of a cone, though.
So sorry to hear you've been ill. Sinus infections can be so hard to get rid of, and are so painful (my sweetie is prone to them). Hope you're feeling much better soon.
All is well here. We're heading into our celebration month, starting with our anniversary on Monday and ending on New Year's...we are well stocked with champagne. Cheers!

Congrats to your anniversary! That deserves a double dose of champers, imho!

282 Kenneth  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 10:59:45am

re: #208 Joo-LiZ

The general election held just 7 weeks ago gave a clear mandate to Harper & the conservatives to govern. The Liberals were so badly trounced their leader was forced to announce he's quitting. Then suddenly last week, the Liberals. NDP & Bloc realized if they all agreed to vote together they could bring down the duly elected government, form a coalition gov't without a mandate and use the excuse of the economic crisis to hand out billions of dollars to all their favorite programs.

Thank goodness the GG didn't fall for it. Let Harper table his budget and then see if the Liberals have the balls to vote it down. Not going to happen.

283 gearhead  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:00:07am

"Convert to my religion or I'll kill you." - winning strategy that.

When he says "...there are people who seek death, and are eager for it...",do you suppose he means this?

284 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:00:51am

re: #246 yma o hyd

I bet it was just soccer and wrestling ...

You are exactly right.

There was another newscast with a hip young reporter interviewing young ladies and mothers on the streets of Tehran and asking them about fashion and how they dressed their kids. All the ladies said the same thing: 'fashion is personal, its just clothes, no big deal' etc.

The hip young reporter was actually baiting them. The newscast theme was rampant immorality in Iran.

285 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:01:14am

re: #283 gearhead

"Convert to my religion or I'll kill you." - winning strategy that.

When he says "...there are people who seek death, and are eager for it...",do you suppose he means this?

Children suicide bombers in Iraq? Israels fault.

286 realwest  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:02:12am

re: #274 yma o hyd
ROFL! Well 4" of snow down here would constitute a blizzard!
You mean Northern England, right - not including like, say, Scotland?!

287 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:02:34am

re: #281 yma o hyd

Congrats to your anniversary! That deserves a double dose of champers, imho!

Well, if you insist! ;>) It'll be our 29th...He should get a medal for putting up with me for so long.

288 formercorpsman  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:02:35am

re: #275 buzzsawmonkey

I have only heard on radio, don't own her books or anything.

I can say however, I can remember that day in 1995. I know where I was at, and the who the FBI said they were originally looking for.

I can't forget that.

Really interesting stuff.

As well, yes, this guy in the elevator shaft is more than suspicious to say the least.

289 AmericanMe  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:04:06am

re: #53 Ben Hur

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

Brought to you by the LATIMES.

Rosa Brooks is moron! Her columns get on my nerves. She's a perfect fit for the the LA Slimes! Seriously, my hometown paper is a waste of ink and trees.

290 gop_patriot  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:05:26am

Holy crap, I finally caught up. *whew*

291 Dustyvet  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:05:51am

Video: Down With Yousef al-Khattab!

292 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:06:01am

re: #259 nyc redneck

has anyone mentioned that knot on his forehead?

I've got a ball peen hammer that will fix that.

293 redstateredneck  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:06:01am

re: #224 reine.de.tout

Good afternoon, all!
Yma, Scotti, HH, Ploooooooooooome!

{ { {reine} } }

294 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:06:07am

Peace activists planned to blow up Milan Cathedral for Christmas.....
Italy arrests Moroccan 'al-Qaeda' suspects


Two Morrocan men suspected of links with al-Qaeda have been arrested in Italy for allegedly planning bomb attacks, including one against Milan's Duomo cathedral. "The plot was uncovered well before those being investigated were able to procure explosives," Italian Interior Minister Roberto Maroni said commenting on Tuesday's arrests.

The 31-year-old Rachid Ilhami, a welder by trade, and his associate Abdelkader Ghafir, 43, a bricklayer, were apprehended in Giussano, a town 25 kilometres north of Milan.

Investigators say wire tappings and computer files seized during the arrests, suggest the pair were also plotting to blow up a supermarket and a police station.
....
Ilhami, who has been living in Italy since the age of 10 and is married with two children, worked in his spare time at a centre run by peace activists near Macherio,....

295 yma o hyd  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:06:12am

re: #279 WrathofG-d

No I don't expect anything better. Anti-Zionism is a polished shell for Anti-Semitism which acts as a door stop tfor blatant Jew hatred to come through.

Sadly - I used to be shocked when I cam across such stuff, even only a few years ago.
Now - the more blatant stuff seems to become the norm, and I am on the look-out for the less blatant, more insiduous stuff because sadly that shows much more clearly how wide-spread and socially acceptable any form of Jew hatred has become.
What is worse, people who'd be horrified if someone says anything anti-black people don't even notice this.

296 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:06:21am

re: #274 yma o hyd

Hiya {rw}!
How are you doing?

We're gloating today because they had four inches maximum of snow in Northern England - and schools were closed, traffic came to a standstill, life came to a stop ...
It happens every winter - what is it with the English that a few inches of snow equal breakdown of society as we know it?

(We didn't have snow here in South Wales ...)

LOL! Only four inches of snow. Having lived in the Great State of Superior, four inches of snow is only a wee bit larger than a snow flurry. Imagine, if you will, driving on panked down snow mixed with sand for traction for miles on end at 55-70mph. Traffic standstill? Only if the snowfall is measured in feet, not inches.

297 punkindrublic  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:07:11am

Whud da heck?

Obamas reversion to Islam would bring an entirely new version of the existing televangelist screecher-preacher to US television screens.

Cellphone tower complaints? Hey, at least they don't wail at you all day long like your new neighborhood minaret will.....

298 Kenneth  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:07:20am

Israeli Telephone Commandos Strike Again

Recently, Israel hacked into the Syrian phone system, and sent thousands of messages to Syrians offering a $10 million reward for information on the whereabouts of missing Israeli soldiers. Syrian intelligence officials believe the campaign was more interested in recruiting intelligence agencies. Many Syrians thought it was all an attempt by their own government to find and identify disloyal citizens. Whatever the case, such an attack is nothing new.

For the last two years, Israel has been hacking into Lebanon based Hezbollah radio and TV broadcasts, and inserting messages that point out mistakes Hezbollah has made, or lies Hezbollah has been pushing, or simply ridiculing the Islamic radicals. Israeli Information War teams have also spammed Lebanese cell phone users with anti-Hezbollah voice mail and text messages.

This sort of thing confirms to the Arabs that the Israelis are evil, in league with the devil and thus in possession of some kind of magic. Other Arab pundits point out that Arab countries need to increase their spending on education, so that Arab geeks can hack Israeli communications. But the magic angle tends to be more popular with editors and government censors.

Heh.

299 HoosierHoops  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:08:04am

re: #224 reine.de.tout

Good afternoon, all!
Yma, Scotti, HH, Ploooooooooooome!

{reine} !
goofing off today..did you know daytime TV is really lousy?

300 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:08:12am

re: #289 AmericanMe

Rosa Brooks is moron! Her columns get on my nerves. She's a perfect fit for the the LA Slimes! Seriously, my hometown paper is a waste of ink and trees.

She is a fucking idiot:

But if we resist the temptation to lash out indiscriminately, we can take sober steps to reduce terrorism through improved intelligence, carefully targeted disruptions of specific terrorist organizations and efforts to address specific grievances (such as disputes over Kashmir).

Their specific fucking grievance is people are alive and not Muslims. How the fuck to you plan to address that?

301 HoosierHoops  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:08:40am

re: #290 gop_patriot

Holy crap, I finally caught up. *whew*

Those Nike running shoes really rock

302 yma o hyd  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:08:54am

re: #284 experiencedtraveller

You are exactly right.

There was another newscast with a hip young reporter interviewing young ladies and mothers on the streets of Tehran and asking them about fashion and how they dressed their kids. All the ladies said the same thing: 'fashion is personal, its just clothes, no big deal' etc.

The hip young reporter was actually baiting them. The newscast theme was rampant immorality in Iran.

Cracks me up, how predictable they are!
As to that interview, well, that sounds just like the stuff one would hear on the streets of any country oner the Communist regimes we used to know: everybody happy, nothing to say except the party line.

303 realwest  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:09:12am

re: #287 scottishbuzzsaw
Hey scotti - are you celebrating your 29th anniversary?
Wow, he's a lucky guy!
Congratulations!

304 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:09:47am
305 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:09:57am

re: #299 HoosierHoops

{reine} !
goofing off today..did you know daytime TV is really lousy?

Still waiting for you to share the Bailey's...I'm on my last cup of coffee so now would be a good time! ;>)

306 realwest  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:10:32am

re: #290 gop_patriot
Take a deep breath. Take a slow, cool sip of water and you'll be 100 comments behind again!
LOL!

307 Iron Fist  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:10:45am

re: #253 Creeping Eruption

All of the women I've been involved with for any real amount of time learn to at least tolerate weapons around them. I've had varrying degrees of getting them to actually use them. My ex-wife had a S&W 9mm automatic that she carried. Other women I've lived with simply learned to tolerate weapons around the house. I prefer that they actually know how to use them, for safety reasons as much as anything else. The current girlfriend wants to learn (or at least agrees that it is a practical necessity), but getting her to actually do it has been problematic. IIRC, she didn't even fire anything at Geeper's party a couple of years ago, and everyone was shooting something at one point.

And I don't know what's up with S&W. I hadn't priced them in years, but they've came out with a new snub-nosed .44 Magnum that I really like. It retails for over a thousand bucks. It is in the same price range as a Kimber. It's more expensive than an H&K USP, and I've always considered them to be a high-dollar gun. Of course, right now the market is tight, so it is only to be expected that weapons are on the high end. Everyone is worried about what Obama is going to do.

I don't blame them. It's one of the things I'm losing sleep over myself.

308 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:10:49am
309 realwest  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:11:22am

re: #293 redstateredneck
Hey, hi ya {red} how are ya doing today?!

310 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:11:23am

re: #303 realwest

Hey scotti - are you celebrating your 29th anniversary?
Wow, he's a lucky guy!
Congratulations!

Thank you, {real}...it's on Monday...and trust me, I'm the lucky one.

How are you today?

311 yma o hyd  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:11:28am

re: #286 realwest

ROFL! Well 4" of snow down here would constitute a blizzard!
You mean Northern England, right - not including like, say, Scotland?!

Yep - Northern England! It did snow quite badly in Scotland as well - but the Scots deal with it, and Scotland is not really 'news' in the English BBC .... (nor is Wales!)

Oh - and there was indeed talk of blizzard conditions last night on the weather forecast ...

312 HoosierHoops  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:12:05am

re: #305 scottishbuzzsaw

Still waiting for you to share the Bailey's...I'm on my last cup of coffee so now would be a good time! ;>)

LOL
Here is the bottle..help yourself...
I seem to be in a good mood right now..wonder why?

313 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:12:15am
314 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:12:53am

re: #292 Son of the Black Dog

I've got a ball peen hammer that will fix that.

Hmmm . . . I was thinking a chisel, but your idea would probably to the trick.

315 Opinionated  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:13:05am

Put him in the Cabinet.

Add Team of Crazy Jihadists to the Team of Rivals.

316 yma o hyd  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:13:10am

re: #287 scottishbuzzsaw

Well, if you insist! ;>) It'll be our 29th...He should get a medal for putting up with me for so long.

Nonononono no!

Medals all round, at least! And doubles for you!

After 29 years - gawd, just thinking of all the discarded socks you've picked up from the floor ... (if he's anything like mine was ...)!

317 nyc redneck  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:13:19am

it really sounds like he has threaten the president elect.
the msm should be all over this.

318 doppelganglander  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:13:19am

re: #167 DistantThunder

That's fascinating. Do you have a link?

319 LynnfromNZ  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:13:19am

Are they under the impression that he's not a Muslim or are they trying to help jolly along the fiction that he's "Christian?"

320 realwest  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:13:20am

re: #299 HoosierHoops
Hi Hoops! What daytime tv are y'all watching?

321 XMarine  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:13:59am

re: #208 Joo-LiZ

It's official... the Canadian Governor General has Prorogued parliament (essentially ended the previous session).

The liberal & separatist coalition can no longer bring down the conservatives until the end of January at the earliest.

It is this kind of arrogant behaviour of the Liberals and the NDP that forces me around to thinking that Alberta and BC would be far better off separating from the rest of Canada. Either that or join the United States. That would certainly help fix the US problem with dependence on foreign oil, seeing as how more than half of the US foreign oil comes from Alberta.

If G-d had intended Canadian oil to be sold at world market prices he would have put it in Ontario rather than Alberta.

322 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:15:03am

re: #312 HoosierHoops

LOL
Here is the bottle..help yourself...
I seem to be in a good mood right now..wonder why?

Hmmm...it's a mystery! (not!) Cheers!

323 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:15:13am

re: #282 Kenneth

The general election held just 7 weeks ago gave a clear mandate to Harper & the conservatives to govern. The Liberals were so badly trounced their leader was forced to announce he's quitting. Then suddenly last week, the Liberals. NDP & Bloc realized if they all agreed to vote together they could bring down the duly elected government, form a coalition gov't without a mandate and use the excuse of the economic crisis to hand out billions of dollars to all their favorite programs.

Thank goodness the GG didn't fall for it. Let Harper table his budget and then see if the Liberals have the balls to vote it down. Not going to happen.

My concern is the last bit.

I feel like liberal pandering to the masses is enough to keep public opinion on their side for the most part, and I'm worried its just delaying the confidence vote -- and pissing a lot of people off at the same time.

Don't get me wrong, I voted Conservative in the last election, and I'm a strong Harper supporter. It's just a ridiculous situation all around.

I'm happy the GG had the balls to prorogue though. It shows she can see through what the coalition is trying to do.

I just am not impressed with the fact that proroging exists. You can just call off parliament, suspend it, reform it, all without an election? Then again, we just had an election! And this is how I end up talking in circles with myself. I have very mixed feelings. (Note: it's mostly because I am consciously trying to avoid letting my support for conservatives cloud my opinion of the whole process in general -- what would you do if this was a Dion government, and Harper was leading the coalition?)

324 redstateredneck  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:15:36am

re: #309 realwest

Hey, hi ya {red} how are ya doing today?!

Hey, {real}
I'm good. Between work & playing online scrabble with vxbush and reine, I'm having a hard time keeping up today, too. How are you?

325 realwest  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:16:02am

re: #310 scottishbuzzsaw
Well then I'll try to remember to congratulate you again on Monday!
I'm doing ok, thanks!

326 HoosierHoops  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:16:14am

re: #320 realwest

Hi Hoops! What daytime tv are y'all watching?

Law and Order on the USA channel...Think I'll switch back to ESPN...cause you know...the way sports are now a days.. It's just a rerun of law and order

327 Just Another Four-letter Word  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:16:20am

re: #101 ROPMA

In addition to communicating with the local air traffic control facility, aircraft are required to give the Iranian Air Defense Radar a ten minute "heads up" that they will be transiting Iranian airspace. This is a common procedure for commercial aircraft and involves giving them your call sign, transponder code, type aircraft, and points of origin and destination. This exchange was overheard on the VHF Guard (emergency) frequency 121.5 MHz while flying from Europe to Dubai.

Air Defense Radar: "Unknown aircraft at (location undisclosed), you are in Iranian airspace. Identify yourself."

Aircraft: "This is a United States aircraft. I am in Iraqi airspace."

Air Defense Radar: "You are in Iranian airspace. If you do not depart our airspace we will launch interceptor aircraft!"

Aircraft: "Roger that. This is a United States Navy F-18 fighter jet. Send 'em up!"

...reminds me of the Aircraft Carrier and the Lighthouse joke, which ends with:

"...and *I* am a lighthouse! Your call!"
JAFLW

328 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:16:45am

re: #317 nyc redneck

it really sounds like he has threaten the president elect.
the msm should be all over this.

MSM: "Today, a leaders of the Religion of Peace offered President elect Obama and olive branch today in attempts to smooth over poor relations with the Muslim community during George Bush's tenure. The invitation, offered by a respected Egyptian authority on Islam, offers Mr. Obama the opportunity to learn about the wonderful teachings of . . . "

329 rawmuse  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:17:07am

re: #327 Just Another Four-letter Word

That is where I thought this was going. Funny story, that.

330 realwest  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:17:10am

re: #311 yma o hyd
Talk of "blizzard conditions" in Northern England - what, are they expecting 6" of snow?!
:)

331 yma o hyd  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:17:12am

re: #296 Honorary Yooper

LOL! Only four inches of snow. Having lived in the Great State of Superior, four inches of snow is only a wee bit larger than a snow flurry. Imagine, if you will, driving on panked down snow mixed with sand for traction for miles on end at 55-70mph. Traffic standstill? Only if the snowfall is measured in feet, not inches.

Exactly!
My sister lives in Switzerland - they just laugh when I tell what happens here.

Mind, in all honesty I ought to confess that we in South Wales wimp out whne there's about two inches of snow - has the North Walians in stitches, that!
Well, they got the mountains - we're better at rugby ...

332 WrathofG-d  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:17:34am

re: #295 yma o hyd

Sadly - I used to be shocked when I cam across such stuff, even only a few years ago.
Now - the more blatant stuff seems to become the norm, and I am on the look-out for the less blatant, more insiduous stuff because sadly that shows much more clearly how wide-spread and socially acceptable any form of Jew hatred has become.
What is worse, people who'd be horrified if someone says anything anti-black people don't even notice this.

You need only look at how Anti-Semitism/Zionism is being accepted amount the "liberal" classes to see how pervasive and acceptable it is becoming. In the minds of most, wanting to ignore the truth, all Anti-Semitism is now just "Anti-Zionism". Where the "liberal classes" would once very quickly attack anyone who said that "Jews run the Media" or "Jews control the Government", they now repeat this canard by simply tricking themselves into hearing "Zionists" or "Israel", or alternatively just simply change the word (but not meaning) Jew for Zionist.

Anti-Zionism is encouraged, and accepted. After years, the thin veil between so called Anti-Zionism and outright Anti-Semitism will dissolve, and most wont even realize that it has happened. Its sad as Anti-Zionism when not actually mirroring Anti-Semitism, it echos it. Instead of "dirty little Jews" from the mouths of European leaders you get "s--tty little country". Instead of "Jews have taken over our Country"...you get "Zionists have taken over our country." Adolf said that "the Jews got us into this war", and we hear daily from both the "right" and the "left" that "the Jews got us into this war".

333 redstateredneck  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:17:55am

re: #316 yma o hyd

Nonononono no!

Medals all round, at least! And doubles for you!

After 29 years - gawd, just thinking of all the discarded socks you've picked up from the floor ... (if he's anything like mine was ...)!

Picking them up is only half the battle. After about 25 years, I quit turning them right side out before they went into the wash. Now they're right side out every other time he wears them.

334 Iron Fist  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:18:22am

re: #267 subsailor68

That sounds too good to be true. I guess if you really badly needed the money, you'll take what you can get. I had to sell a .44 Magnum like that once. Something about eating and all that happy horseshit :-)

Remington has a new tactical 1100 out that I really like. It retails for about $700. 18" barrel, 7-8 rounds in the magazine, and it's a Remington, so there's not a lot of bad that can be said about it. They're wanting to compete with the Bennelli guns. The Bennelli is a nicer gun, but you certainly pay the premium to get it.

335 yma o hyd  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:18:24am

re: #298 Kenneth

Tee-double-hee!

I loves it!

336 debutaunt  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:18:31am

re: #317 nyc redneck

it really sounds like he has threaten the (pre) president elect.
the msm should be all over this.

337 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:18:35am
If you refuse to return to your [Islamic] origins, to the way Allah created you, withdraw your huge armies and military bases from the lands of the Muslims. Know that all your predecessors have ended up in the garbage bin of history, and that America’s black and bleak history in the land of the Muslims and the Arabs constitutes an evil omen for you, your predecessors, and your successors. Know, Obama, that America, with all its size and might, will know no peace, as long as a single Muslim child lacks food, drink, medicine, or housing. If you refuse, Obama, and insist on remaining in Muslim lands, know that Allah still plants in [Muslims] obedience to Him, and they are willing to wait for Paradise, which is closer than their own shoelaces.

And Family Guy isn't even that funny. I'm totally serious. The jokes are just interchangeable.

338 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:18:51am
339 Paul  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:19:45am
"America...will know no peace so long as a single Muslim child lacks food, drink, medicine or housing..."

Given the level of Muslim economies and social services, we can look forward to endless war.

340 Iron Fist  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:20:16am

re: #300 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'd answer you, but Charles would delete the comment. I think we all know what is going to have to happen eventually. We're not the ones saying that the world isn't big enough for the both of us.

341 gop_patriot  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:20:20am

re: #301 HoosierHoops

Those Nike running shoes really rock

Just got my Acme jet-powered Wile E. Coyote Specials in the mail today, as a matter of fact! Like greased lightning.

342 winston06  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:20:21am

The Islamic clerics are ugly

343 realwest  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:20:23am

re: #324 redstateredneck
{red} - oooh, on line scrabble - wonder if I'd suck any less at that than at a real board game of scrabble?
Uh, nope, probably not! LOL!
I'm doing ok, I guess, thanks for asking!

344 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:20:31am

re: #332 WrathofG-d

You need only look at how Anti-Semitism/Zionism is being accepted amount the "liberal" classes to see how pervasive and acceptable it is becoming. In the minds of most, wanting to ignore the truth, all Anti-Semitism is now just "Anti-Zionism". Where the "liberal classes" would once very quickly attack anyone who said that "Jews run the Media" or "Jews control the Government", they now repeat this canard by simply tricking themselves into hearing "Zionists" or "Israel", or alternatively just simply change the word (but not meaning) Jew for Zionist.

Anti-Zionism is encouraged, and accepted. After years, the thin veil between so called Anti-Zionism and outright Anti-Semitism will dissolve, and most wont even realize that it has happened. Its sad as Anti-Zionism when not actually mirroring Anti-Semitism, it echos it. Instead of "dirty little Jews" from the mouths of European leaders you get "s--tty little country". Instead of "Jews have taken over our Country"...you get "Zionists have taken over our country." Adolf said that "the Jews got us into this war", and we hear daily from both the "right" and the "left" that "the Jews got us into this war".

Its still out there. I was called "dirty little Jew" by a classmate in grad school.

345 WrathofG-d  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:20:46am

re: #338 buzzsawmonkey

That is because we wait for others to do so.

For so long as the Jew has even one ally, he will be convinced - in his smallness of mind - that his salvation came from that ally. It is only when he is alone - against all of his own efforts and frantic attempts - that he will, through no choice, be compelled to turn to G-d.

346 bloodnok  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:21:17am

re: #331 yma o hyd


Well, they got the mountains - we're better at rugby ...

I'm gonna get smacked by someone, but great win vs. Australia the other day!

347 Dianna  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:21:29am

Hi! I'm waiting to hear if I'm getting a raise.

I need soothing, so: Steve Winwood, Higher Love.

When I'm stuck in an old folks home, I expect this to be played, and people to wave their canes and attempt to wiggle in their walkers and wheelchairs.

348 realwest  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:21:45am

re: #326 HoosierHoops
Ah well see now if it was Prime Time Law and Order it'd be about this White football player, who shot himself in the leg while going to church and.........!
:)

349 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:21:58am
350 yma o hyd  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:22:20am

re: #330 realwest

Talk of "blizzard conditions" in Northern England - what, are they expecting 6" of snow?!
:)

It was the wind, see, might have caused drifts and such, can't be too careful!

Rain tomorrow - and gales for us in the South. Cold spell is over, and people will now drop like flies with flu, always happens, things don't change around here ...

351 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:22:37am

re: #316 yma o hyd

Nonononono no!

Medals all round, at least! And doubles for you!

After 29 years - gawd, just thinking of all the discarded socks you've picked up from the floor ... (if he's anything like mine was ...)!

He's never been a sock-dropper, bless him. But he does keep us on the move, starting with his Navy days to the present nomadic life of a computer engineer in the aerospace/defence industry. I've learned to travel light (except for our library). Great way to see the country, though.

352 outsidephilly  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:23:15am

re: #345 WrathofG-d

That is because we wait for others to do so.

For so long as the Jew has even one ally, he will be convinced - in his smallness of mind - that his salvation came from that ally. It is only when he is alone - against all of his own efforts and frantic attempts - that he will, through no choice, be compelled to turn to G-d.

Which is exactly what G-d would rather the Jew/we all do . . . .

353 Sunlight  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:23:43am

re: #47 Occasional Reader

Next time we receive a "call to Islam", I say we put it on hold, with the Muzak, for at least 45 minutes.

How many times are they supposed to ask nicely before they wipe out the person refusing? I read it somewhere...

354 subsailor68  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:23:44am

re: #334 Iron Fist

That sounds too good to be true. I guess if you really badly needed the money, you'll take what you can get. I had to sell a .44 Magnum like that once. Something about eating and all that happy horseshit :-)

Remington has a new tactical 1100 out that I really like. It retails for about $700. 18" barrel, 7-8 rounds in the magazine, and it's a Remington, so there's not a lot of bad that can be said about it. They're wanting to compete with the Bennelli guns. The Bennelli is a nicer gun, but you certainly pay the premium to get it.

It may well be too good to be true...guess we'll see. And yep, saw that new tac recently. It does kinda make ya salivate a bit. And you're absolutely right - not a lot of bad can be said about Remington.

:-)

355 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:23:45am

re: #47 Occasional Reader

Next time we receive a "call to Islam", I say we put it on hold, with the Muzak, for at least 45 minutes.

If we put them on hold and play Morrisey, they might hang up and never call again.

356 vapig  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:23:55am

re: #332 WrathofG-d

I've lately noticed that those who point out the bigotry or try to defend Israel and the Jewish people are also attacked. The hostility is becoming overt.

357 itellu3times  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:24:18am

re: #338 buzzsawmonkey

Jews are all-powerful, except when it comes to saving their own asses.

And maybe even then, if they can just be convinced to try.

358 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:25:12am

re: #347 Dianna

Hi! I'm waiting to hear if I'm getting a raise.

I need soothing, so: Steve Winwood, Higher Love.

When I'm stuck in an old folks home, I expect this to be played, and people to wave their canes and attempt to wiggle in their walkers and wheelchairs.

One of my favorites, too...thanks!

359 WriterMom  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:25:27am

Can I just say F*CK THE CBC?

Unholy Alliance Confirmed: CBC and CAIR Unite!

[Link: www.cbc.ca...]

360 HoosierHoops  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:25:35am

re: #348 realwest

Ah well see now if it was Prime Time Law and Order it'd be about this White football player, who shot himself in the leg while going to church and.........!
:)

If it was prime time we would have an innocent Indiana Pacer player in a strip club at 3am making it rain and shooting his 9mm in the night air.
/mmmm. I could be a writer.. I missed my calling

361 WrathofG-d  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:25:42am

re: #349 buzzsawmonkey

Yes pretty much.

We wait for others to accept our rightful place as the light among the nations before we act like it. We will twist our reality away from the Truth to please the Nations. Everyday we get evidence of what is Right...but instead we give in to our evil inclination and succumb to our emotional animal instincts.

Spiritually we stand at Sinai yet convince ourselves we are wondering the desert.

362 doppelganglander  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:25:44am

re: #347 Dianna

Hi! I'm waiting to hear if I'm getting a raise.

I need soothing, so: Steve Winwood, Higher Love.

When I'm stuck in an old folks home, I expect this to be played, and people to wave their canes and attempt to wiggle in their walkers and wheelchairs.

I've got my fingers crossed for you.

IMO, the funniest thing in the nursing homes of 2050 will be the shriveled, discolored tattoos on the formerly fit.

363 AuntAcid  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:26:23am

Creeping Eruption-

"...a new snub-nosed .44 Magnum that I really like."

...until you pull the trigger.

Not fun to shoot - barely suitable gun to keep handy when fishing in bear country.

364 vapig  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:26:23am

re: #345 WrathofG-d

I fear with Obama as President that that day is fast approaching.

Israel may have the people of the US on her side, but she won't have the governmental support she once had.

365 Dianna  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:26:45am

re: #358 scottishbuzzsaw

One of my favorites, too...thanks!

You are entirely welcome.

366 WrathofG-d  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:27:00am

re: #352 outsidephilly

....rely on no handouts, or the power of kings....

~don't we say this every morning?

But this goes for internal "waiting" too. We cannot be kept behind by those who are never going to get it within our own community either.

367 gop_patriot  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:27:17am

re: #306 realwest

Take a deep breath. Take a slow, cool sip of water and you'll be 100 comments behind again!
LOL!

Ha! I'm working on it. :)

368 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:27:31am

re: #363 AuntAcid

Creeping Eruption-

"...a new snub-nosed .44 Magnum that I really like."

...until you pull the trigger.

Not fun to shoot - barely suitable gun to keep handy when fishing in bear country.

Agreed. I'd recommend a smaller caliber when shooting fish.

369 realwest  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:27:39am

re: #347 Dianna
Ooh, great song! I'm sitting here "boogying" in my chair" just listening to it.
God knows if I live long enough to make it to an old folks home with my luck they'll be playing rap music!
GAH!
How are ya today?

370 Iron Fist  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:27:40am

re: #355 Sharmuta

Metallica, Am I Evil? Let them ruminate on that while they are waiting to speak to you.

371 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:27:44am

re: #344 Creeping Eruption

Its still out there. I was called "dirty little Jew" by a classmate in grad school.

My friend and I were getting a Hot Dog on campus the first week of University (first year... it was all very new to us)... we asked the price of an energy drink, it was something like $3-$4... so we were like "alright, we'll just get a pop" ($1)... the guy behind the hot dog stand said "What are you, a cheap dirty ..." and cut himself off as he noticed my friends necklace. (I don't know what its called, but the pendant looks like a mezzuzah). My friend was quite visibly upset and we ended up sending in a complaint, and the whole mess was swept under a rug.

This after coming from Thornhill, a very densely populated Jewish area just north of Toronto, it was a bit of culture shock indeed.

372 WriterMom  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:27:57am

re: #342 winston06

Winston-husband and I heard about this Iranian blogger who went to Israel, and then got arrested in Iran...can't remember his name-heartbreaking...we figured they threatened his family.

373 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:28:02am

re: #363 AuntAcid

Creeping Eruption-

"...a new snub-nosed .44 Magnum that I really like."

...until you pull the trigger.

Not fun to shoot - barely suitable gun to keep handy when fishing in bear country.

.357 is as big as I go.

374 nyc redneck  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:28:19am

re: #342 winston06

The Islamic clerics are ugly

islam is ugly.

375 Ben Hur  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:28:28am

War games: The al-Qaeda and Nazi Lego men that 'glorify terrorism'

A range of Lego-style figures including an al-Qaeda terrorist and Nazi officer have been slammed by religious leaders for 'glorifying terrorism.'
One of the children's toys - made from customised Lego men - resembles a masked follower of Osama bin Laden complete with a rocket launcher, assault rifle and grenades.

Another of the warped figures is a gun-wielding German major, whose uniform bears the SS insignia, which can be bought along with a replica Nazi stormtrooper.

Mohammed Shaffiq of Muslim organisation The Ramadhan Foundation told The Sun the figures were 'absolutely disgusting'.

He said: 'It is glorifying terrorism - the makers should be ashamed. We should be coming together to unite against terrorism but how is that possible when children are playing with toys like this?'
War games: Guns and bayonets come as standard accessories
Edie Friedman, director of the Jewish Council for Racial Equality, added: 'These distasteful toys are something we could all well do without, especially when there is so much tension around.'

376 yma o hyd  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:28:49am

re: #332 WrathofG-d

Exactly - and where they really cannot blame Israel, they still can blame the Jews, as always.
Its got such a long history, more than two millenia. I still can't figure out why.

Here is a brilliant book, 'Rome and Jerusalem', which I read earlier this year. Outstanding description of Hadrian's ethnic cleansing of Judea, and proof, if that were needed, that 'Palestine' was a Roman invention ...

377 Buck  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:28:53am

You guys are missing it.

This guys hasn't MET Obama yet. The magic comes in the meeting of the one.

Once the arab world gets to meet with Obama, they will fall all over themselves to be nice.

/moonbat off

378 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:29:06am

re: #369 realwest

Ooh, great song! I'm sitting here "boogying" in my chair" just listening to it.
God knows if I live long enough to make it to an old folks home with my luck they'll be playing rap music!
GAH!
How are ya today?

Muzak versions of gansta rap. The "Golden Years" indeed.

379 WriterMom  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:29:11am

re: #374 nyc redneck

DING A LING A DING

380 jorline  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:29:12am

Good afternoon, Lizards...boy-howdy, I'm late today!

381 redstateredneck  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:29:14am

re: #343 realwest

{red} - oooh, on line scrabble - wonder if I'd suck any less at that than at a real board game of scrabble?
Uh, nope, probably not! LOL!
I'm doing ok, I guess, thanks for asking!

You couldn't suck any worse than me! Email reine so you can get in on our next game.

382 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:29:35am

re: #244 Bubblehead II

I've had good luck with these guys.

AMMUNITION TO GO

Thanks!

Stupid question..... is .380 auto the same as .380 ACP?

383 Dianna  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:29:50am

re: #362 doppelganglander

I've got my fingers crossed for you.

IMO, the funniest thing in the nursing homes of 2050 will be the shriveled, discolored tattoos on the formerly fit.

You have that exactly right!

Though I was at a baseball game, and Higher Love was played; next thing you know, a bunch of late 30's early to mid-50's people are standing up and dancing, while their kids buried their faces in their hands in horrible embarrassment.

It was pretty funny. I never could dance, and I haven't much improved over the intervening years. But for that, I'll get up and wiggle.

384 WriterMom  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:30:16am

re: #80 Occasional Reader

Rivalled only by Moamar Quadafi Kadafi Khadafy.

385 redstateredneck  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:30:18am

re: #347 Dianna

Hi! I'm waiting to hear if I'm getting a raise.

I need soothing, so: Steve Winwood, Higher Love.

When I'm stuck in an old folks home, I expect this to be played, and people to wave their canes and attempt to wiggle in their walkers and wheelchairs.

Put your bedpan in the air...and wave it like you just don't care!

386 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:30:43am

re: #371 Joo-LiZ

My friend and I were getting a Hot Dog on campus the first week of University (first year... it was all very new to us)... we asked the price of an energy drink, it was something like $3-$4... so we were like "alright, we'll just get a pop" ($1)... the guy behind the hot dog stand said "What are you, a cheap dirty ..." and cut himself off as he noticed my friends necklace. (I don't know what its called, but the pendant looks like a mezzuzah). My friend was quite visibly upset and we ended up sending in a complaint, and the whole mess was swept under a rug.

This after coming from Thornhill, a very densely populated Jewish area just north of Toronto, it was a bit of culture shock indeed.

I had to go to a Jesuit grad school to get my first "in your face" anti-semitic comment. I was used to the standard "he Jew'd me" stuff, but this was pretty brazen.

387 boogberg  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:30:44am

Lol! There was a moonbat eruption just now at the Senate hearing (Automakers). I couldn't make out what they were saying though. :D

388 Iron Fist  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:30:46am

re: #363 AuntAcid

A .44 isn't that bad. You have to hold on to it, sure, but if you are in good form, with both hands like they should be, a .44 is quite usable. I've had one since I was 14-15 years old.

389 Dianna  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:30:59am

re: #369 realwest

Ooh, great song! I'm sitting here "boogying" in my chair" just listening to it.
God knows if I live long enough to make it to an old folks home with my luck they'll be playing rap music!
GAH!
How are ya today?

Pretty good, really. I'm just nervous about my raise.

390 legalpad  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:31:14am

re: #344 Creeping Eruption

Its still out there. I was called "dirty little Jew" by a classmate in grad school.

Is that grade school? They didn't say that in graduate school did they?

391 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:31:25am

re: #385 redstateredneck

Put your bedpan in the air...and wave it like you just don't care!

ROTFLMAO! Oh, thank you for that image! Something to look forward to.

392 WriterMom  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:31:33am

re: #294 Killgore Trout

He worked at a PEACE CENTRE and made SANDWICHES FOR THE HOMELESS and SWEPT THE FLOORS at the LOCAL CHURCH and VOLUNTEERED with ABUSED CHILDREN and stuff...

What a saint!

393 nyc redneck  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:32:07am

re: #379 WriterMom

DING A LING A DING

LOL,
hey WriterMom.
i'm all wet. i just gave the dog a bath.
how are you doing?

394 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:32:12am

re: #375 Ben Hur

War games: The al-Qaeda and Nazi Lego men that 'glorify terrorism'

That is so fucked up. I have been a Lego fan my entire life. Looks like I will just have to . . .lego

395 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:32:14am

re: #370 Iron Fist

Metallica, Am I Evil? Let them ruminate on that while they are waiting to speak to you.

Anthrax, Death From Above would be my choice.

396 bloodnok  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:32:15am

re: #384 WriterMom

Rivalled only by Moamar Quadafi Kadafi Khadafy.

do you mean Gaddafi?

/ :-P

397 HoosierHoops  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:32:15am

re: #369 realwest

Ooh, great song! I'm sitting here "boogying" in my chair" just listening to it.
God knows if I live long enough to make it to an old folks home with my luck they'll be playing rap music!
GAH!
How are ya today?

I saw him live in the Summer of 2007 in Chicago at the Clapton Blues Concert.
He is one talented dude..Did you know he wrote 'give me some loving' when he was like 14 or 15? jeez...

398 aggieann  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:32:27am

re: #289 AmericanMe

Rosa Brooks is moron! Her columns get on my nerves. She's a perfect fit for the the LA Slimes! Seriously, my hometown paper is a waste of ink and trees.

At least we can be encouraged by the vast majority of commenters.

399 jorline  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:32:50am

re: #369 realwest

Ooh, great song! I'm sitting here "boogying" in my chair" just listening to it.
God knows if I live long enough to make it to an old folks home with my luck they'll be playing rap music!
GAH!
How are ya today?

Hey boogie-boy, did you resolve the computer problem yet? That may still be a sore subject.

400 redstateredneck  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:32:50am

re: #391 scottishbuzzsaw

ROTFLMAO! Oh, thank you for that image! Something to look forward to.

The way my mind's going it won't be long for me!

401 WrathofG-d  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:32:53am

re: #356 vapig

Yes you are correct.

But once we free ourselves from the need of other "Nation's" approval, it won't matter. We need to stop seeing ourselves, and our pride as a reflection of other people/groups/nations.

The Jew is not a cripple. G-d made him with two legs, and the authentic healthy Jew walks on both of them. As I stated before, it is incumbent upon us to understand our greatness and believe in it so that we do not cheapen and profane ourselves.

We must immediately end the national amnesia that causes us to forget who and what we are.

402 Dianna  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:32:57am

re: #385 redstateredneck

Put your bedpan in the air...and wave it like you just don't care!

Which version?

403 outsidephilly  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:32:59am

re: #366 WrathofG-d

....rely on no handouts, or the power of kings....

~don't we say this every morning?

But this goes for internal "waiting" too. We cannot be kept behind by those who are never going to get it within our own community either.

Yet, what will it take for those within our own communities to REALLY get it? Peace for Israel, will it ever be?
The Jew will not negotiate Jehovah.
The Christian will not negotiate Christ.
The Muslim will not negotiate Allah.

404 yma o hyd  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:33:01am

re: #346 bloodnok

I'm gonna get smacked by someone, but great win vs. Australia the other day!

Wasn't it just!

And if we'd played like that agains the South Africans for 80 minutes, instead of only for 40, we'd have had them as well. Coaches were furious!
Oh - and the stand-off after the Haka, and that first half against the All Blacks - wow! They had to pull out all the stops after that - only their third string was needed against England, and they beat them at a lazy canter.
Can't wait for next year and the six Nations - things are looking good, as we had a number of our best players missing with injuries.

405 Sunlight  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:33:31am

re: #366 WrathofG-d

....rely on no handouts, or the power of kings....

~don't we say this every morning?

But this goes for internal "waiting" too. We cannot be kept behind by those who are never going to get it within our own community either.

My son is refusing to go to his religious studies class until the holocaust unit is over... so January. He's heard it many times, and the current curriculum (or teacher, I'm not sure which) is presenting it as Jews in America are a victim group, similar to the Jews in Germany in the '30s. Now my son is one of the only Jewish kids in Boy Scouts in this area and he viscerally rejects the idea that Jews should be a whiny victim group rather than engaging in the larger community in community service, outdoor activities, etc. as leaders, as cheerful participants. So, I guess I see his point.

406 realwest  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:33:44am

re: #378 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
"Muzak versions of gansta rap" LOL! Then it won't be the golden years, it'll be the rust years for sure!

407 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:33:53am

re: #390 legalpad

Is that grade school? They didn't say that in graduate school did they?

Not a typo. Grad school.

408 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:33:55am

re: #370 Iron Fist

Honestly- how long can you tolerate listening to that sniveling twerp sing?

409 OldLineTexan  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:33:57am

re: #388 Iron Fist

A .44 isn't that bad. You have to hold on to it, sure, but if you are in good form, with both hands like they should be, a .44 is quite usable. I've had one since I was 14-15 years old.

I've had my Super Blackhawk since I was 21. I shoot it one and two-handed. But the grip is designed to "roll", and you have to know that for one-handed shots.

410 subsailor68  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:34:08am

re: #362 doppelganglander

I've got my fingers crossed for you.

IMO, the funniest thing in the nursing homes of 2050 will be the shriveled, discolored tattoos on the formerly fit.

Ow. That's a visual I didn't need. Especially those back tat's the ladies get. By the time they're in the nursing home, those tat's will be on the back of their knees.

Gag.

411 Dianna  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:34:16am

re: #394 Creeping Eruption

That is so fucked up. I have been a Lego fan my entire life. Looks like I will just have to . . .lego

You don't want your kids to have villains for the good guys to shoot?

412 Iron Fist  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:34:20am

re: #382 eschew_obfuscation

Yeah. ACP means Automatic Colt Pistol. A .380 is way on the low end of what I'd consider practical for a self-defense round. I'm not even sure that you can carry them with a permit around here. I know you can't do .22s or .25s.

413 yma o hyd  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:34:38am

re: #351 scottishbuzzsaw

He's never been a sock-dropper, bless him. But he does keep us on the move, starting with his Navy days to the present nomadic life of a computer engineer in the aerospace/defence industry. I've learned to travel light (except for our library). Great way to see the country, though.

Navy days - that explains it :-))

Travelling light is a virtue!
(Which I don't possess ...)

414 OldLineTexan  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:34:54am

re: #394 Creeping Eruption

That is so fucked up. I have been a Lego fan my entire life. Looks like I will just have to . . .lego

Those are CUSTOM figures, not LEGO products.

However, I can only assume that there are some German soldiers in the Indiana Jones sets (the older ones).

415 bloodnok  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:34:55am

re: #404 yma o hyd

Wasn't it just!

And if we'd played like that agains the South Africans for 80 minutes, instead of only for 40, we'd have had them as well. Coaches were furious!
Oh - and the stand-off after the Haka, and that first half against the All Blacks - wow! They had to pull out all the stops after that - only their third string was needed against England, and they beat them at a lazy canter.
Can't wait for next year and the six Nations - things are looking good, as we had a number of our best players missing with injuries.


I thought they could hang on against the All Blacks too. I have a soft spot for your squad. I wish them the best!

416 apachegunner  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:34:57am

hiya cuz, happy holidays and remember when your waving that bed pan be quite sure it's empty. re: #391 scottishbuzzsaw

417 Texas Heathen  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:35:00am

re: #331 yma o hyd

Exactly!
My sister lives in Switzerland - they just laugh when I tell what happens here.

Mind, in all honesty I ought to confess that we in South Wales wimp out whne there's about two inches of snow - has the North Walians in stitches, that!
Well, they got the mountains - we're better at rugby ...

She'd really lose it if she heard what shuts down the city here in Dallas, Tx. We can get Less than 1 inch of snow here and everything is at a standstill. Just ask any of the other Dallas area lizards they'll confirm it.

418 HoosierHoops  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:35:01am

re: #399 jorline

Hey boogie-boy, did you resolve the computer problem yet? That may still be a sore subject.

SSSShhhhh...Realwest made out like a bandit from best buy..
killer system...

419 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:35:07am

re: #375 Ben Hur

LEGO is one of the world's largest private companies. We can assume great profit.

420 redstateredneck  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:35:14am

re: #402 Dianna

Which version?

Hey, it's the old folks home. We're all a little confused!
:-)

421 doppelganglander  Thu, Dec 4, 2008 11:35:31am

re: #376 yma o hyd

Exactly - and where they really cannot blame Israel, they still can blame the Jews, as always.
Its got such a long history, more than two millenia. I still can't figure out why.