Silly Reuters, everyone knows that truce to Hamas means time to reload. And since they just finished a 'truce'.. it isn't time to reload yet.

Israel Prime Minister Ehud Olmert’s government said it has shown restraint until now but vowed to act if the salvoes continued

.

Uh, continue for what, forever?

Let's once again hope Israel's reaction is not "disproportionate."

Palestinian militants in the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip fired dozens of rockets and mortar bombs at Israel on Wednesday after the killing of three gunmen by Israeli troops, dampening prospects for a renewed ceasefire.

How can one renew something that never was?

Jimmy Carter was unavailable for comment.

re: #3 viciouscircledammit

Let's once again hope Israel's reaction is not "disproportionate."

Any response short of huddling in bomb shelters is disproportionate!

Alas.

Rolling artillery barrage, from one end of Gaza to the other, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week until it ends. Period.

Jimmy Carter must be smirking.

/I wonder if he is helping Hamas.

rooters translation

Jimmy Carter was finally found for comment, but declined to while in a Hamas explosives factory overlooking production.
/

Israel says it started to open the crossings to more goods but Hamas failed to halt the rocket fire

.

That sentence sounds as if Hamas has no control over the rockets.

Reuters also managed to avoid any mention of Israeli casualties in their report, all while noting that the Palestinians had a couple of own-goals (and a few rockets fell a wee bit short of Israel and fell on Gaza instead).

Hamas sends its holiday greetings.

BTW, of what nationality is Joseph Nasr?

Oops, Reuters let it slip that they don't give a crap about Israelis.

This AP article is not too bad: [Link: news.yahoo.com...]

re: #3 viciouscircledammit

Let's once again hope Israel's reaction is not "disproportionate."

?!

Why must they always discuss a response,its called counter battery fire use it.

Al-RotoReuters leading the MSM charge to Blame Israel for not dying fast enough...

Yesterday the Washington Post ran an editorial that urged Israel to use the "political process" to stop Hamas:

But Israel would be better positioned to defeat Hamas politically and diplomatically if it allowed the full resumption of food, medicine and fuel deliveries to Gaza and made clear its willingness to end other restrictions on civilian trade in exchange for a full cessation of rocket attacks and other hostilities. If Hamas is to be toppled, it will have to be through a political process led by Palestinians.

Some of us didn't think too much of the editorial, but today's violence underscores exactly how idiotic the Post's editorial is.

re: #9 BignJames

rooters translation

Very good.

GAZA (Reuters) – Palestinian militants in the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip fired dozens of rockets and mortar bombs at Israel on...

Only a sick twisted Reuters reporter could come up with a line like this one...specially one named Nidal al-Mughrabi.

"One of the injured civilians works for a conflict resolution center."

Do you suppose they serve pancakes there?

I think the flare-up brightly illuminates the true hopes as pointless and dead.

re: #3 viciouscircledammit

Let's once again hope Israel's reaction is not "disproportionate."

Huh?

I've read reports the past few days suggesting Israel is reluctant to respond with drastic military action because the elections are so near.

POLITICS
___

SECURITY

re: #23 MandyManners

Huh?

My thoughts exactly

A appropriate response would be time on target.

re: #15 Creeping Eruption

?!

Sorry, I think I forgot a sarc tag. I'm kinda new.

BTW, Thanks Charles!

The only truce Reuters would find acceptable is when the Israelis can do nothing while Hamas attacks unceasingly.

re: #27 viciouscircledammit

Sorry, I think I forgot a sarc tag. I'm kinda new.

Glad you said that before you faced a karmic shit storm.

re: #11 MandyManners

.

That sentence sounds as if Hamas has no control over the rockets.

But it has no control over the rockets, they just happen to fire themselves ...

///

re: #22 itellu3times

truce hopes

though maybe it's a freudian slip and "true" is more accurate, in this case the truth meaning false, ... er, or something like that.

re: #8 NY Nana
This just in...
Carter: Hamas, Syria putting all their eggs in Obama's basket

On Syria and Hamas he commented”: ( Hamas) Like the Syrians, they are patient, relatively satisfied with the status quo, and putting all their eggs in Obama's basket. We had to caution them about expecting too much of an immediate change in U.S. Middle East policy.”

I interpret this to mean that Hamas fells emboldened by Obama. They think he's going to be a Hamas supporter so I think he can expect to see Hamas increase activity for a while (maybe the next 8 years)

The only thing worthy of Hamas and their ilk is the most decisive disproportionate response courtesy of Israel in that Hamas has no ability afterward to respond to anything.

Pretty much all I want for Christmas.

re: #33 Killgore Trout

This just in...
Carter: Hamas, Syria putting all their eggs in Obama's basket

I interpret this to mean that Hamas fells emboldened by Obama. They think he's going to be a Hamas supporter so I think he can expect to see Hamas increase activity for a while (maybe the next 8 years)

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re: #18 dhg4

And I will bet that Al-NYT will out-do them.

re: #7 Victrola

Rolling artillery barrage, from one end of Gaza to the other, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week until it ends. Period.

Yup!

Good Morning Lizards ...

I am off to Milwaukee tonight to pick up equipment ...figured since my kids are grown I will not ask our workers to drive on Christmas day ...but I am terrible driving in snow ...I have a small generator in truck, AAA card, cell phone, blankets, wifi computer card and computer, and my brother ... what else do I need? ...

Merry Christmas and Happy Hannukah and Happy Holidays to all Lizards and their families ...

On the subject ...don't worry Rick Warren and Obama will have a little talk with Hamas ...cuz, you know, they loves them some muslims ...

/just kidding but I sure hope Obama steps up to the plate for the sake of our country and Israel ...

re: #33 Killgore Trout

This just in...
Carter: Hamas, Syria putting all their eggs in Obama's basket

I interpret this to mean that Hamas fells emboldened by Obama. They think he's going to be a Hamas supporter so I think he can expect to see Hamas increase activity for a while (maybe the next 8 years)

Assad's interview with David Ignatius sure makes it sound that way!

re: #7 Victrola

Rolling artillery barrage, from one end of Gaza to the other, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week until it ends. Period.

/genocide, good thinking

re: #36 buzzsawmonkey

Is there a link in there somewhere? ;)

Buzz, you always know how to see the comedic side of even bad world events, thanks. :)

AP Cries: Militants Suffering "Steep Tolls" trying to murder Isreali's:
"No Israelis were injured in the barrages. The attacks took a steeper toll in Gaza as explosives apparently misfired, wounding three civilians and killing two militants. One of the injured civilians works for a conflict resolution center."

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Why should any of us give a damn about a country that doesn't give a damn about itself? Frankly my dear...

re: #37 NY Nana

And I will bet that Al-NYT will out-do them.

That well might happen, but they haven't had an editorial on the end of the "ceasefire" yet. I'll keep looking for it!

re: #11 MandyManners

That sentence sounds as if Hamas has no control over the rockets.

I'll agree with the leftists here; The Palestinians aren't able to control themselves. No matter what concessions they are given, no matter how much they are appeased they won't/can't stop killing. When the Jews aren't available they kill each other with just as much enthusiasm. They aren't in control of themselves and that's not going to change anytime soon.

re: #44 SFGoth

Why should any of us give a damn about a country that doesn't give a damn about itself? Frankly my dear...

o_O

THIS IS NOT FROM THE ONION

Carter laments: Terrorists lack 'defense' against Israel

In his own words:

[Link: www.cartercenter.org...]

Neither Hezbollah nor the Lebanese Armed Forces have any anti-aircraft weapons for defense.

re: #43 ted

AP Cries: Militants Suffering "Steep Tolls" trying to murder Isreali's:
"No Israelis were injured in the barrages. The attacks took a steeper toll in Gaza as explosives apparently misfired, wounding three civilians and killing two militants. One of the injured civilians works for a conflict resolution center."

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

I can't even click the link...

Those [deleted][deleted][deleted][deleted] (ad infinitum)...

re: #42 FurryOldGuyJeans

Is there a link in there somewhere? ;)

Buzz, you always know how to see the comedic side of even bad world events, thanks. :)

Hrumps... You think he would at least give credit to where the inspiration for that post came from... ;p

re: #44 SFGoth

Why should any of us give a damn about a country that doesn't give a damn about itself? Frankly my dear...

dont be misled by their wayward leadership...we give a damn because it's the right thing to do

re: #48 Opinionated

THIS IS NOT FROM THE ONION

Carter laments: Terrorists lack 'defense' against Israel

In his own words:

[Link: www.cartercenter.org...]

Well, before I break something I have to depart this thread...

re: #50 doriangrey

Hrumps... You think he would at least give credit to where the inspiration for that post came from... ;p

That is why I asked if there was a link, you know. ;)

re: #40 dhg4

Hmmm, It's starting to look like the Syrians have a case of Hopenchange too. Maybe they'll start getting more active in Lebanon again.

re: #39 JacksonTn

I would include a snow shovel (or any sort of shovel) of some sort (in the event you get stuck in the snow somewhere...)

re: #43 ted

AP Cries: Militants Suffering "Steep Tolls" trying to murder Isreali's:
"No Israelis were injured in the barrages. The attacks took a steeper toll in Gaza as explosives apparently misfired, wounding three civilians and killing two militants. One of the injured civilians works for a conflict resolution center."

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

That's patently false. Israelis were injured in the attacks. 30+ were treated for shock after the mortars fell in and around Israel's border with Gaza.

Therefore, the victories from those skilled in warfare are not considered of great wisdom or courage, because their victories have no miscalculations. ?

No miscalculations mean the victories are certain, achieving victory over those who have already lost. ?

Therefore, those skilled in warfare establish positions that make them invincible and do not miss opportunities to attack the enemy. ?

Therefore, a victorious army first obtains conditions for victory, then seeks to do battle.

A defeated army first seeks to do battle, then obtains conditions for victory. ?

Those skilled in warfare cultivate the Way, and preserve the Law, therefore, they govern victory and defeat. ?

The factors in warfare are:

First, measurement, second, quantity, third, calculation, fourth, comparison, and fifth, victory. ?

Measurements are derived from Ground,

quantities are derived from measurement,

calculations are derived from quantities,

comparisons are derived from calculations,

and victories are derived from comparisons. ?

A victorious army is like a ton against an ounce;

a defeated army is like an ounce against a ton!

The victorious army is like pent up waters released, bursting through a deep gorge.

This is formation.

Sun Tzu

I'm sure this idea has been floated before and more eloquently than I can: Israel can do no right in the eyes of the world, so why don't they realize that and once and for all just wipe out Hez/Hamas/etc...? It's not like the UN is going to start hating Israel because of it, or Reuters will start writing unfair articles.

re: #55 buzzsawmonkey

Sorry about that. Will you accept a belated hat tip?

Better Nate than Lever... ;)

re: #5 JammieWearingFool

Jimmy Carter was unavailable for comment.

He should not be available at all; he should just shut up or be completely ignored if he opens his peanuthole.

re: #48 Opinionated

Didn't Russia just sell Iran some SAMs? Shouldn't be a problem for long...at least not for hezzbollah.

re: #48 Opinionated

Carter lives in a mirror universe...(I need to self-delete what i think about Carter.)

By whatever means necessary, good, bad or indifferent this must be stopped.

Enough is enough, with these insects.

An old commercial enters this equation: "You can pay me now, or you can pay me later"...Later is always worse...BUT if that's what these insects want...So Be It.

Shocked. Shocked.
/I have a sense of deja vue, for some unknown reason.

re: #41 Killian Bundy

Hardly.

re: #48 Opinionated

THIS IS NOT FROM THE ONION

Carter laments: Terrorists lack 'defense' against Israel

In his own words:

[Link: www.cartercenter.org...]

Neither Hezbollah nor the Lebanese Armed Forces have any anti-aircraft weapons for defense.

But Israel doesn't have suicide bombers blowing up civilians around the world.
Advantage Hezbollah and the Lebanese Armed Forces.

re: #2 solomonpanting

the gov't of shame has got to go
kedemia chelm is looking for a gov't

re: #48 Opinionated

THIS IS NOT FROM THE ONION

Carter laments: Terrorists lack 'defense' against Israel

In his own words:

[Link: www.cartercenter.org...]

In fairness then, Israel should just respond with rocket attacks of its own.

re: #51 albusteve

dont be misled by their wayward leadership...we give a damn because it's the right thing to do

Why don't Israelis have the government they deserve just as much as any other democracy?

re: #61 Kosh's Shadow

He should not be available at all; he should just shut up or be completely ignored if he opens his peanuthole.

Rabbit Bait needs to be made to see the blood on his hands.

re: #39 JacksonTn

figured since my kids are grown I will not ask our workers to drive on Christmas day ...but I am terrible driving in snow

what else do I need?

You need to ask one of your workers to drive, if they are good at driving in snow. You may find one that's more than willing. I know you'd pay them well, and everyone will be happy and safe!

A good giggle from the NYT

"Wednesday’s intensified rocket fire might have been aimed at pressuring Israel and Egypt to step up efforts for a new truce".

re: #62 BignJames

There were reports of S-300 parts sales, which Russia subsequently and curtly denied (FWIW)

re: #49 Oh no...Sand People!

I can't even click the link...

Those [deleted][deleted][deleted][deleted] (ad infinitum)...

Sick.

re: #63 J.S.

Carter lives in a mirror universe...

Really. I thought he crawled out from under a rock.

re: #61 Kosh's Shadow

He should not be available at all; he should just shut up or be completely ignored if he opens his peanuthole.

You expect Carter to actually follow unofficial protocol about former Presidents shutting the hell up?

He was a disaster when he was POTUS so why should he want to change direction and do good now?

re: #57 lawhawk

That's patently false. Israelis were injured in the attacks. 30+ were treated for shock after the mortars fell in and around Israel's border with Gaza.

Heh.
How can they be injured, there was no blood ...
And anyway, they're Jooos.

///

I wonder how these various 'reporters' and 'journalists' can actually look at themselves in the mirror when shaving, given the constant falsehoods and lies thei knowingly write every day.

re: #59 viciouscircledammit

why don't they realize that and once and for all just wipe out Hez/Hamas/etc...?

Easier said than done.

/Israel had had a tough go of it in Lebanon a couple years ago, remember?

re: #64 Elcid

By whatever means necessary, good, bad or indifferent this must be stopped.

Enough is enough, with these insects.

An old commercial enters this equation: "You can pay me now, or you can pay me later"...Later is always worse...BUT if that's what these insects want...So Be It.

I got into with Wrath the other day about this...'whatever means necessary' is a very slippery slope...imo...you simply cannot kill innocent civilians and they are there in Gaza

Neither Hezbollah nor the Lebanese Armed Forces have any anti-aircraft weapons for defense.

Carter really should go back to paddling rabbits.

re: #43 ted

AP Cries: Militants Suffering "Steep Tolls" trying to murder Isreali's:
"No Israelis were injured in the barrages. The attacks took a steeper toll in Gaza as explosives apparently misfired, wounding three civilians and killing two militants. One of the injured civilians works for a conflict resolution center."

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

May all their explosives misfire.

A headline like that proves once again that Reuters is a collection of dimwits and morons.

re: #79 Insufficiently Sensitive

And Merry Christmas to you. Do you know the rules are "Comments that advocate violence will be cause for immediate banning with no appeal."

Charles, cleanup in aisle #79.

re: #51 albusteve

'Wayward leadership'? The people voted for these assholes. That makes them culpable and responsible for everything that happens in Gaza.

In Reuters-World, Israel may foolishly retaliate for this attack, thus ending the truce... Palestinians are not actually actors in their worldview, only "victims" whose actions are of no consequence. Only Israel can affect a "truce".

/spit

re: #48 Opinionated

THIS IS NOT FROM THE ONION

Carter laments: Terrorists lack 'defense' against Israel

In his own words:

[Link: www.cartercenter.org...]

Of course the other way of looking at it is an admission that they use those weapons for offense! (No I'm not joking.)

Carter, by the way, may be telling the truth. But that doesn't mean that Hezbollah isn't trying to obtain them.

re: #46 Killgore Trout

I'll agree with the leftists here; The Palestinians aren't able to control themselves. No matter what concessions they are given, no matter how much they are appeased they won't/can't stop killing. When the Jews aren't available they kill each other with just as much enthusiasm. They aren't in control of themselves and that's not going to change anytime soon.

There is a simple solution for this, but I could get banned for suggesting it.

re: #76 Opinionated

Really. I thought he crawled out from under a rock.

My cat horks up better hairballs.

re: #70 SFGoth

Why don't Israelis have the government they deserve just as much as any other democracy?

maybe they do but it's not for me to say...without principle there isnt much else...someday Israel will respond

re: #33 Killgore Trout

This just in...
Carter: Hamas, Syria putting all their eggs in Obama's basket

I interpret this to mean that Hamas fells emboldened by Obama. They think he's going to be a Hamas supporter so I think he can expect to see Hamas increase activity for a while (maybe the next 8 years)

I agree with you, but preface this by saying that somewhere deep inside, I feel that Hussein will last through the first term.

He will feel secure enough, as he is so full of himself that he will try to create a 2-State abomination single handedly, but he also has no idea that Israel may actually stand up and say 'Enough!', and remember what they accomplished in 1967, and teach the world a lesson...again.

The past few Israel governments have been just awful, and there is an election coming up. We can only hope that the timing of Hamass of these attacks will wake the Israeli public up, so that the next PM will be a man or woman of strength and determination.

But now this is in the hands of the Israeli electorate...and who the political parties present. I do not trust Bibi as far as I could throw him, but as an American, I can only hope and pray that the best party wins.

/Hamass's timing, right before an election in Israel, sounds like Jimmy Carter is 'masterminding' this.

Screw Hamass. Screw the arabs. Feh.

re: #90 FurryOldGuyJeans

My cat horks up better hairballs.

Let me see, let me see...

re: #66 Victrola

Hardly.

/right, you're advocating the indiscriminate shelling of the entire population of Gaza, what do you call that?

re: #76 Opinionated

I suspect (seriously) that Carter is brain damaged. There is something wrong with him -- mentally. (perhaps he suffers from syphilis? or some undiagnosed venereal disease which renders him a non compos mentis?)

re: #71 jcm

Rabbit Bait needs to be made to see the blood on his hands.

Who is Rabbit Bait? ...

re: #86 Victrola

'Wayward leadership'? The people voted for these assholes. That makes them culpable and responsible for everything that happens in Gaza.

maybe...but that's not a reason to abandon our Jewish friends and allies

re: #60 doriangrey

Better Nate than Lever... ;)

Thanks to the unwashed masses.

re: #39 JacksonTn

Good Morning Lizards ...

I am off to Milwaukee tonight to pick up equipment ...figured since my kids are grown I will not ask our workers to drive on Christmas day ...but I am terrible driving in snow ...I have a small generator in truck, AAA card, cell phone, blankets, wifi computer card and computer, and my brother ... what else do I need? ...

Merry Christmas and Happy Hannukah and Happy Holidays to all Lizards and their families ...

On the subject ...don't worry Rick Warren and Obama will have a little talk with Hamas ...cuz, you know, they loves them some muslims ...

/just kidding but I sure hope Obama steps up to the plate for the sake of our country and Israel ...

hope in one hand and defication in the other SEE WHICH GETS FULL FASTER.

re: #98 JacksonTn

Who is Rabbit Bait? ...

Former President Jimmy Carter.

#85: That was a plainly obvious hypothetical, clear to anyone with a brain, and specifically stating no desire for harm.

Merry Christmas to you too, and may you develop a sense of humor.

Jimmy Carter, The 'Billy Beer' of statesmen.

re: #98 JacksonTn

Who is Rabbit Bait? ...

I don't speak his name, I cannot bear it on my lips.

Rabbit bait.

Moral Clarity

If an Iranian/al Qaeda ally fired rockets and mortars, into New York from New Jersey,a single barrage would result in all out war to destroy the perpetrators.

As I have noted many a time, that which you subsidize, you will have more of. In this case allowing Hamas to function, get food, cash transfers to say nothing of electricity and water is repaid with the very genocidal hate that is the kernel of the Hamas/Jihadist operating system. A weak incompetent Israeli leadership has subsidized this mess to this point. It does not have to take all out war but the response must be 100% surrender by Hamas or war, no options A or B and backed by three divisions of armor, the full might of the air force and 2 hours to comply with the permanent ceasefire and 24 hours to hand over Gilad Shalit for nothing in exchange. All with the understanding that ANY future breach of the peace will being the whole war.

The way you deal with these kinds of rabid barbarians is crushing humiliation. You must make them look and feel like weak women. It has to be an all the way kind of thing. The only sop offered is free economic aid if they don't fight and no rebuilding help if they fight.

On a happier note, happy holidays to all with special warm greetings to Charles and Zombie

re: #96 Killian Bundy

/right, you're advocating the indiscriminate shelling of the entire population of Gaza, what do you call that?

I would call it WAR, and a pretty reasonable approach to handling the Palestinian problem. Got a problem with that...

re: #88 dhg4

Of course the other way of looking at it is an admission that they use those weapons for offense! (No I'm not joking.)

Carter, by the way, may be telling the truth. But that doesn't mean that Hezbollah isn't trying to obtain them.

You have to read what he wrote in full. He is complaining that Israeli aircraft are doing surveillance on the Lebanese terrorists and unfortunately [a logical inference from what he writes] the terrorists can't "defend" themselves by shooting down those Israeli aircraft.

re: #92 NY Nana

Ifervently hope that the Israelis are starting to understand that in a world where anti-semitism is coming out of its holes and becomes more open everywhere; where a new USA president will certainly do its best to appease the Umma rather than support Israel - that this is a world where Israel has to rely on its own strengths, standing alone, facing the enemy all round, and that they vote accordingly.

I'm less worried about the world economic crisis than I'm worried about Israel's future.
May the Good Lord bless and protect Israel.

re: #94 ploome hineni

we know what Jimmy Carter is

how come no one else in the MSM knows?

how come Jimmy Carter is SEEN TO BE respected everywhere?

where is any reaction to this monster

because that is what Jimmy is, a monster

The FMSM respects Carter because he was an America hater of the first water and adds a veneer of legitimacy to America haters world-wide.

re: #97 J.S.

I suspect (seriously) that Carter is brain damaged. There is something wrong with him -- mentally. (perhaps he suffers from syphilis? or some undiagnosed venereal disease which renders him a non compos mentis?)

might simply be grief/remorse...he's a broken man tho I agree

No one, it seems, is more stupid than a mainstream journalist.

re: #98 JacksonTn

Who is Rabbit Bait? ...

Jimmy Carter.
During his presidency, he floated (in a flat bottomed boat) as a 'vacation' -- I think he was fishing, or something harmless.

A rabbit actually jumped into his boat, and since there were reporters in other boats, documenting this relaxing trip, it made newspaper headlines.

At the time, it was seriously funny (this was before the Internet, remember), and the whole country was laughing. Mostly at, not with him.

re: #81 albusteve

I got into with Wrath the other day about this...'whatever means necessary' is a very slippery slope...imo...you simply cannot kill innocent civilians and they are there in Gaza

They voted in Hamas; they're just as guilty as all the Germans in WWII.
If all-out war was justified then, it is now. Not genocide, mind you, but they need to be handed an overwhelming defeat.

re: #98 JacksonTn

Who is Rabbit Bait? ...

Carter, who was attacked by a killer rabbit during a boating expedition. There is even photographic evidence of his brave paddling the vicious critter.

re: #114 Ojoe

No one, it seems, is more stupid than a mainstream journalist.

There is no such thing as a stupid question...
Till a journalist asks it.

Rachel Corrie

(With apologies to E. A. Robinson)

WHENEVER Rachel Corrie went down town,
We people on the pavement looked at her:
She was an idiot from sole to crown,
Dim witted, and always in a stir.

And she was always quietly arrayed, 5
And she was always stupid when she talked;
But still she fluttered pulses when she said,
"Good-morning," and she stuttered when she talked.

And she was a bitch—yes, bitchier than a king,
And clearly unschooled in any grace: 10
In fine, we thought that she was everything
To make us wish we'd never seen her face.

So on we worked, and waited for the light,
And went without the meat, and cursed the beer;
And Rachel Corrie, one calm summer night, 15
Got run over by a thirty ton John Deere.

re: #110 Kosh's Shadow

For a while, I've thought that some Native Americans should start lobbing rockets at the NY Times buildings and other MSM buildings, asking for their land back. They have much more right to it than the Arabs have to Gaza.

If the targeted people complain, point out that they're hypocrites, and they should negotiate with the Indians. Or they should stop writing stories criticizing Israel for defending itself.

good analogy

re: #108 doriangrey

I would call it WAR, and a pretty reasonable approach to handling the Palestinian problem. Got a problem with that...

/there's a big difference between prosecuting a war and deliberately targeting civilians, one's a war crime, look it up

re: #120 subsailor68

Rachel Corrie

(With apologies to E. A. Robinson)

WHENEVER Rachel Corrie went down town,
We people on the pavement looked at her:
She was an idiot from sole to crown,
Dim witted, and always in a stir.

And she was always quietly arrayed, 5
And she was always stupid when she talked;
But still she fluttered pulses when she said,
"Good-morning," and she stuttered when she talked.

And she was a bitch—yes, bitchier than a king,
And clearly unschooled in any grace: 10
In fine, we thought that she was everything
To make us wish we'd never seen her face.

So on we worked, and waited for the light,
And went without the meat, and cursed the beer;
And Rachel Corrie, one calm summer night, 15
Got run over by a thirty ton John Deere.

An ode to St. Pancake!

re: #100 lawhawk

Thanks to the unwashed masses.

HEY! Quit spying on me! ;)

re: #72 wrenchwench

You need to ask one of your workers to drive, if they are good at driving in snow. You may find one that's more than willing. I know you'd pay them well, and everyone will be happy and safe!

I just can't do it ...they have been working so hard right now digging our bareroot trees in the freezing weather ...I will stop and stay in motel if it gets bad ...

To Yochanan ...I have not much faith in Obama but for the sake of the safety of our country and Israel ...I have to "hope" for the best because he will be sworn in whether we like it or not ... we will soon find out which way the wind blows for him ...

re: #97 J.S.

I suspect (seriously) that Carter is brain damaged. There is something wrong with him -- mentally. (perhaps he suffers from syphilis? or some undiagnosed venereal disease which renders him a non compos mentis?)

DHIMMI CARTER SUFFERS FROM THE DISEASE OF ANTI SEMITISM

re: #94 ploome hineni

we know what Jimmy Carter is

how come no one else in the MSM knows?

how come Jimmy Carter is SEEN TO BE respected everywhere?

where is any reaction to this monster

because that is what Jimmy is, a monster

He is the worst POS in the World. There are plenty of evil people in the world doing evil things, but only Carter is unique in that he supports them all.

The thought that when this garbage dies he will get Presidential honors is repulsive.

re: #59 viciouscircledammit

Well, there's a problem. The Israeli electorate seems war weary and they want to get out of the "occupation" business. The political will to really get in and scrub out the terrorists just isn't there.
Gaza was the test case for appeasement. They dismantled the settlements and withdrew their troops. Hamas took over and threw out Fatah. They have launched mortars and rockets daily ever since. But since Hamas has deteriorated living conditions Israel is still responsible for shipping food, fuel, electricity, medicine into Gaza. If they did the same thing in the West Bank the result would be the same. So all that's left to do is maintain the status quo until something upsets the apple cart.

I'm constantly amazed at the restraint shown by Israel.

Imagine if the Hamas organization was located in, say, Tiajuana, and was lobbing rockets into San Diego. Imagine how many days they'd be allowed to fire rockets over the border into an American city before we acted. The people we hear screaming about Israeli 'atrocities' and 'disproportionate responses' would be demanding action from Washington side by side with the rest of us. . . and you KNOW our reaction would be far more 'disproportionate' than any Israeli retaliation to date.

As an aside, I've always found the term 'disproportionate response' hilarious, when applied to military conflict. Look up any major military scholar of note, and you'd find they all suggest that the more disproportionate the better. Attacks should be crushingly overwhelming, far beyond what is necessary to accomplish the job. Thus the enemy is not just defeated in the short term, the remnants remain demoralized/discouraged from mounting another attack for a much longer time.

any one got a clue why israel doesnt go all out war on gaza?

really.

war should be met with war. push thru and clear it of anyone willing to fight.

Completely and totally off topic, but someone (I think that it was juante) was nice enough to say that they wished that I'd repost it closer to Christmas...

Michelle mentions Trig Palin, which brings to mind something that happened to me today.

I'm in town today, which I hate, doing the quarterly shopping, which I hate, because my wife is still not able to get around very well, which I hate.

I'm finishing up at the last store (a Wal-Mart supercenter, if it matters) and have three mounded-over shopping carts next to the Cherokee trying to get everything transferred into my vehicle.

This 'defective' guy, late twenties or early thirties, get out of the passenger seat of a car parked in one of the handicapped spots and comes over and just starts handing me stuff out of the carts so I can load my vehicle. I get through and he pushes the empty carts over to the corral and I walk over to him to give him a couple of bucks for his help.

The guy refuses the money, then leans in close and says, "Santy Claus is watching, you know."

Damn. I mean, just damn.

And with that, I wish you all a wonderful Winter Solstice along with whatever religious holiday that you may observe.

re: #91 albusteve

maybe they do but it's not for me to say...without principle there isnt much else...someday Israel will respond

some DAYYY over the rainbow, way up high...
Most of the world, especially the Arab world, respects only 1 thing -- and that's a big foot up its ass. Israel keeps fanning on the shot and now no one believes that it has the fortitude to defend itself, which only emboldens its enemies and makes the situation even worse. In 1967, after Israel told Jordan to stay out, and Jordan went in, Israel seized the West Bank. Jordan's been pretty damn quiet ever since. Of course, it doesn't help with idiots like Clinton, Bush, and now Obama who think that they can get Hitler to make peace with the Slavs, but hey, that Nobel Prize sure does glimmer brightly.

re: #114 Ojoe

No one, it seems, is more stupid than a mainstream journalist.

Except, possibly the democrat voters that believe them.

re: #123 jcm

An ode to St. Pancake!

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

:-)

re: #96 Killian Bundy

Repayment in the same coin. There will be no negotiated settlement until there is a clear winner and loser. As you can see, Israel's patient occupation of the moral high ground has brought them nothing but PAIN & DEATH. But hey, let's continue the death by a thousand cuts ad infinitum. M'kay?

re: #125 JacksonTn

I just can't do it ...they have been working so hard right now digging our bareroot trees in the freezing weather ...I will stop and stay in motel if it gets bad ...

To Yochanan ...I have not much faith in Obama but for the sake of the safety of our country and Israel ...I have to "hope" for the best because he will be sworn in whether we like it or not ... we will soon find out which way the wind blows for him ...

Your a good man Jackson, God Bless you, Merry Christmas.

re: #108 doriangrey

I would call it WAR, and a pretty reasonable approach to handling the Palestinian problem. Got a problem with that...

GENERAL SHERMAN ON THE CONCEPT OF WAR FITS THE BILL.

re: #81 albusteve

I got into with Wrath the other day about this...'whatever means necessary' is a very slippery slope...imo...you simply cannot kill innocent civilians and they are there in Gaza

To stop an enemy they must understand that continuing to fight will come with such grave consequences that whatever they might gain from fighting on will be a mere shadow of what they will most certainly lose if they don't give up.

re: #45 dhg4

That well might happen, but they haven't had an editorial on the end of the "ceasefire" yet. I'll keep looking for it!

/Want a nose clip?

AOL, in their news, when I signed in this AM, had an article that Al-NYT may very well go broke, and in that case, Murdoch might buy it.

We can only hope it will just go under. Since Murdoch owns the NY Post, I wonder how he could accomplish this.

(I see that the companies rotate...here is what was said re Al-NYT:)

The New York Times
The New York Times has to repay $400 million in debt in the first half of 2009. It plans to mortgage its headquarters, but what that will bring in an uncertain real estate market is unknown. The firm's 'Boston Globe' and regional newspaper operations lose money, so they will be hard to sell. Another big media operation, perhaps News Corp which owns 'The Wall Street Journal' and 'The New York Post,' will come in and auction off what it can and keep the flagship 'New York Times' newspaper and NYTimes.com website.

re: #128 Killgore Trout

So all that's left to do is maintain the status quo until something upsets the apple cart.

Coming soon to a war theatre near you:

Iran: Got Nukes?

re: #77 FurryOldGuyJeans
Jimmy Carter was the WORST President in my lifetime and he is far and away the WORST former President in my lifetime.
Damn good thing people are now taking him even less seriously today than they did when he was President.

re: #136 jcm

Your a good man Jackson, God Bless you, Merry Christmas.

Thanks jcm ...I am not a man ...Merry Christmas to you too ...

re: #128 Killgore Trout

The more they give in though, the worse it will get. The more power Hamas gets, the more rockets and mortars will fall on Israel. If they lose their will to fight or protect themselves...they are in big trouble.

re: #107 ayatollah ghilmeini

Moral Clarity

If an Iranian/al Qaeda ally fired rockets and mortars, into New York from New Jersey,a single barrage would result in all out war to destroy the perpetrators.

But sadly no, given the example of these 7 years later, of Saudi Arabia not having paid any price when 15/19 of the 9-11 hijackers were Saudis. And Bush, saying "religion of peace".

There has been no all-out war. Had there been, it would have been over long ago, and the world would be new and hopeful right now.

Instead, we still allow the enemy to have whole countries where he can raise any army, build any weapon, hatch any plot: Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, Syria, and probably more sanctuaries than these.

And Machiavelli's warning goes unheeded: "You cannot avoid war, you can only put it off to the advantage of your enemy."

re: #131 razorbacker

Thanks.

re: #94 ploome hineni

we know what Jimmy Carter is

how come no one else in the MSM knows?

how come Jimmy Carter is SEEN TO BE respected everywhere?

where is any reaction to this monster

because that is what Jimmy is, a monster

They know. Its just that Jimmy the Dhimmi has Jews in his sights, so its ok.

re: #117 Kosh's Shadow

They voted in Hamas; they're just as guilty as all the Germans in WWII.
If all-out war was justified then, it is now. Not genocide, mind you, but they need to be handed an overwhelming defeat.

I agree but exactly how do you do it?...is it feasable to simply invade and move systematically to the south killing Hamas?...would that cause more casualties to the IFD than some other method?...I'm no expert and I just dont know...I'd love to here the IDF's options and what they think is best, easiest and smartest...something needs to be done soon

re: #120 subsailor68

Rachel Corrie

(With apologies to E. A. Robinson)

WHENEVER Rachel Corrie went down town,
We people on the pavement looked at her:
She was an idiot from sole to crown,
Dim witted, and always in a stir.

And she was always quietly arrayed, 5
And she was always stupid when she talked;
But still she fluttered pulses when she said,
"Good-morning," and she stuttered when she talked.

And she was a bitch—yes, bitchier than a king,
And clearly unschooled in any grace: 10
In fine, we thought that she was everything
To make us wish we'd never seen her face.

So on we worked, and waited for the light,
And went without the meat, and cursed the beer;
And Rachel Corrie, one calm summer night, 15
Got run over by a thirty ton John Deere.

Elder of Ziyon worked off of Simon and Garfunkel.

re: #122 Killian Bundy

/there's a big difference between prosecuting a war and deliberately targeting civilians, one's a war crime, look it up

With all due respect Killian... Stick it where the sun don't shine. The rules only apply when both sides abide by them. More importantly there is precious little evidence to support the notion that there are any innocent civilians within the Palestinian population. They are indoctrinated from the day they are born that they are soldiers fighting the Israeli's.

re: #130 rumcrook

any one got a clue why israel doesnt go all out war on gaza?

really.

war should be met with war. push thru and clear it of anyone willing to fight.

Remember what a media fiasco Lebanon was for Israel? Israel stayed their hand, looking for media and world approval. And effectively lost that dustup.

Any, and I mean any response in Gaza the media will paint Israel as the aggressor, the world will condemn Israel.

Politically Israel cannot win a conflict in Gaza.

Sucks, sucks big time but there it is.

re: #98 JacksonTn

Who is Rabbit Bait? ...

Dubbed the "killer rabbit" attack by the media, the Jimmy Carter rabbit incident involved a swamp rabbit that caught press imagination after furiously trying to board then-U.S. President Jimmy Carter's fishing boat on April 20, 1979.

re: #139 NY Nana

If the NYT is sold, I hope whoever gets the Boston Globe makes Jeff Jacoby Editor-in-Chief.
Except that the moonbats in Boston and Cambridge would probably stop buying the paper and its circulation would go down further. Actually, though, the moonbats wouldn't be caught dead reading the Herald, so maybe they'd stick with the Globe.

Isreal just needs to take off the gloves and remove all threats from rocket range!
When they finish they can put on their Hez-mat suits and cleanup what's left!

re: #133 rawmuse

Yes, they are just as stupid.

Santa's in Kyrgyzstan.

re: #126 yochanan

Yes. I wonder (as NY Nana suggested up-thread) if Carter is not encouraging the Islamists/Hamas in Gaza to fire rockets (during the Christmas break here), with the hope of baiting Israel to go in...(then, of course, HAMAS would be sure to have children used as shields, in the hopes of then having the BBC tv cameras filming the wounded/dead children and then the world could do their blood libel thing against Israel -- that would be a typical Carter operation.)

re: #143 JacksonTn

Thanks jcm ...I am not a man ...Merry Christmas to you too ...

Sorry, your a good woman then!
Your workers will notice, and it will make an impression on them.

Drive safe, take care.

re: #130 rumcrook

any one got a clue why israel doesnt go all out war on gaza?

really.

war should be met with war. push thru and clear it of anyone willing to fight.

Because the Killian Bundy's of the world would call them war criminals.

re: #142 realwest

Jimmy Carter was the WORST President in my lifetime and he is far and away the WORST former President in my lifetime.
Damn good thing people are now taking him even less seriously today than they did when he was President.

Just wait another 4 years and see if Dimmah stays as #1 worst or moves into second place.

re: #85 Walter L. Newton
Sorry Walter but I diagree - the comment was started
with "Not wishing to see anyone hurt," and it seemed pretty clear to me that Insufficiently Sensitive was merely trying to see how they would react and what words they would use, if they were attacked.

re: #135 Victrola

Repayment in the same coin. There will be no negotiated settlement until there is a clear winner and loser. As you can see, Israel's patient occupation of the moral high ground has brought them nothing but PAIN & DEATH. But hey, let's continue the death by a thousand cuts ad infinitum. M'kay?

The only way to do that is to launch a total ground offensive in Gaza, won't that be fun? And if successful . .

/that brings us back to doe, a deer occupation, I hear that's fun too

re: #131 razorbacker

Aw, you got me crying here.

re: #142 realwest

Can't disagree with anything you said, I was just narrowing my focus with my reply to salient points.

re: #81 albusteve

I got into with Wrath the other day about this...'whatever means necessary' is a very slippery slope...imo...you simply cannot kill innocent civilians and they are there in Gaza

It is indeed a "very slippery slope", that's a given. The fact(s) remains that these insects, don't care about "innocent civilians"...Never have, never will.

I seriously doubt, that line of thought ever crossed the mind, of Charles 'The Hammer' Martel.

Having typed that, I do see your point...BUT where does it end, how is it stopped?

People are dying regardless. Now it is "Death by 1000 Papercuts", (plug for you there, oh blogger of noteworthiness)...do we continue this route, or face these vile in'SECTS and have them mentally live in the centuries of their glory, the 7th and 8th?

re: #107 ayatollah ghilmeini Thank you for another excellent post and a Merry Christmas/Happy Hanukkah to you!

SADLY ISRAEL will have to pay a heavy and dear price before she can go in to gaza and clean up the cesspool.

I wish it wasn't so because i have family there.

re: #8 NY Nana

Jimmy Carter must be smirking.

/I wonder if he is helping can still sit down after speaking to Hamas.

There, fixed that for ya!

Just heard from my sis in Cali... Big Bear has 30 in..
Down slope in Forest Falls 4.5 feet!It's in a canyon that gets slammed!
2.5 to 5 ft expected in the San Berdoo Mountians and 3 to 4 in of rain in the valleys!
Now I don't feel so bad! LOL
Sorry for goin of the res...

re: #130 rumcrook

any one got a clue why israel doesnt go all out war on gaza?

Among a whole lot of other reasons, the only way to fight in Gaza is for the current guilty Leftist Government and the guilty Leftist media and press to concede that they were dead wrong to push for a dislocation of Israelis and a withdrawal from Gaza.

And Leftists, being the damaging scum that they are, never admit that they are always wrong and cause a world of hurt.

I Don't Want A Bunny Wunny

* (Tom Paxton)

I don't want a bunny wunny in my little row boar
In my little row boat in the pond
For the bunny might be crazy and he'll bite me in the throat
In my little row boat in the pond
President Carter got into his boat
Wasn't in a hurry, wanted to float
Think about the country, think about sin
Along swum a rabbit, and it tried to climb in
And what did Jimmy say

Look at him swimming, look at him fly
Ears laid back and a gleam in his eye
Hissing through his front teeth, swimming like a seal
If you were the President, how would you feel
You'd prob'ly say

President Carter saved the day
Splashed with the paddle, rabbit swam away
Jimmy was a hero, felt it in his bones
Said in the words of John Paul Jones

re: #150 doriangrey

With all due respect Killian... Stick it where the sun don't shine. The rules only apply when both sides abide by them. More importantly there is precious little evidence to support the notion that there are any innocent civilians within the Palestinian population. They are indoctrinated from the day they are born that they are soldiers fighting the Israeli's.

So, what's your solution, kill 'em all?

/because, even if Israel reoccupies Gaza, the population is still going to be there and they'll still want to kill Jews

what does it take to annihilate Hamas?

re: #112 FurryOldGuyJeans
"The FMSM respects Carter because he was an America hater of the first water and adds a veneer of legitimacy to America haters world-wide."
Absolutely Spot-On.

I wonder how the Pali's would feel if Israel began to draw up articles of war.
Sometimes in life you just have to face the enemy and end the shit.

“War is cruelty. There's no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.”

“Every attempt to make war easy and safe will result in humiliation and disaster”

“If the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war, and not popularity seeking”

William Tecumseh Sherman

re: #171 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY

Towercam is on the fritz or I'd link it here & it would show some of the cool snow.

re: #150 doriangrey

With all due respect Killian... Stick it where the sun don't shine. The rules only apply when both sides abide by them. More importantly there is precious little evidence to support the notion that there are any innocent civilians within the Palestinian population. They are indoctrinated from the day they are born that they are soldiers fighting the Israeli's.

There are clear differences between targeting civilians and going after terrorists who hide behind them. Israel accidentally hitting civilians in pursuit of the terrorists who operate in civilian garb and hide behind women and children isn't a violation of any international law precisely because international law doesn't give terrorists (un-uniformed combatants) the rights of uniformed combatants. The responsibility for casualties resides on the terrorists operating as they do.

The problem is that no one - whether it's Israel, the UN, or the media - wants to accept this. They'd rather try moral equivalence and demand Israel stop going after the terrorists as all, as though that's the solution to the conflict, ignoring the incessant rocket and mortar attacks and infiltration attempts, bombings, and other assorted planned terrorist operations against Israel.

re: #151 jcm

jcm they allready paint israel the agressor. they mind as well get the fruits of that. (the chance to decimate all fighters in gaza) they already get castigated all the time by the arab/muslim dominated un. if they wiped out all resistance in gaza at a minimum they would dispell the growing tide of thought by thier enemies that they are growing weak. I have seen the wolves circling for a few years now and they smell the weakness.

re: #152 Dustyvet

Dubbed the "killer rabbit" attack by the media, the Jimmy Carter rabbit incident involved a swamp rabbit that caught press imagination after furiously trying to board then-U.S. President Jimmy Carter's fishing boat on April 20, 1979.

Has the FMSM ever determined if that rodent was a member of the Zionist Killer Rabbit Attack Squad?

re: #162 Killian Bundy

The only way to do that is to launch a total ground offensive in Gaza, won't that be fun? And if successful . .

/that brings us back to doe, a deer occupation, I hear that's fun too

Their "brave Warriors" run away when Israel attacks. Only to slither back when it's safe. Getting any kind of peace from Hamas will take DESTROYING Hamas, or making it so painful that Hamas loses support...Israel (and anyone else) that thinks they can negotiate a peace with those pigs are living in a fantasy world.

I was at the mall this past Sunday. Out in the central walkway area, three Israelis had a kiosk selling Dead Sea hand, nail and skin products. The stuff was way too expensive for me, but after I listened to their spiel, I gave them my sincerest apologies for the way Obama was going to screw Israel the minute he was crowned. I told them flat out: Israel cannot depend on any American help after the 20th of January. America is going to abandon Israel to the Arabs, and Israel will be totally on her own. And I apologized again.

One of them kept saying that it didn't matter, that Israel was tough and that they would be able to go it alone if neccessary.

By the way...if you missed this link in "spin offs"

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re: #138 AuntAcid

To stop an enemy they must understand that continuing to fight will come with such grave consequences that whatever they might gain from fighting on will be a mere shadow of what they will most certainly lose if they don't give up.

well maybe that's the solution then...a massive info campaign then send in the shock troops...but I still have a problem with civilian casualties and wont give up hope there is another way...I know I'm in the minority here but what is certain is that Israel must maintain the moral high ground...(whatever they determine that to be)...I dont like the 'kill em all solution

re: #178 bulwrk

"War is the remedy our enemies have chosen and I say let us give them all they want."

W.T. Sherman

& this is the saying of a true pacifist.

re: #179 Ojoe

Maybe it's "under the snow"!

re: #175 winston06

what does it take to annihilate Hamas?

Give them all the land. Simple.
/SARCASM

re: #189 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY

It is on a 150 foot tower ...

WOW

re: #190 Walter L. Newton

Give them all the land. Simple.
/SARCASM

You forgot -" And, all the Jews march into the sea"
/

re: #122 Killian Bundy

/there's a big difference between prosecuting a war and deliberately targeting civilians, one's a war crime, look it up

What then do you do when a "militant" sets up shop and stores and fires rockets from a "civilians" rooftop/yard?

re: #191 Ojoe

The I guess not ! LOL

re: #171 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY

Just heard from my sis in Cali... Big Bear has 30 in..
Down slope in Forest Falls 4.5 feet!It's in a canyon that gets slammed!
2.5 to 5 ft expected in the San Berdoo Mountians and 3 to 4 in of rain in the valleys!
Now I don't feel so bad! LOL
Sorry for goin of the res...

I got a buddy that lives in Big Bear and he sent me picture of his house.

re: #182 rumcrook

jcm they allready paint israel the agressor. they mind as well get the fruits of that. (the chance to decimate all fighters in gaza) they already get castigated all the time by the arab/muslim dominated un. if they wiped out all resistance in gaza at a minimum they would dispell the growing tide of thought by thier enemies that they are growing weak. I have seen the wolves circling for a few years now and they smell the weakness.

No doubt about that.

Just saying right now Israel stays it's hand out of political considerations.

Which is not a good idea.

re: #181 doriangrey

Deport them, all of them.

Good thinking.

/deport 'em all where exactly, what country(ies) are going to accept 1.4 million militant Muslims?

re: #173 Dustyvet

I Don't Want A Bunny Wunny

* (Tom Paxton)

I don't want a bunny wunny in my little row boar
In my little row boat in the pond
For the bunny might be crazy and he'll bite me in the throat
In my little row boat in the pond
President Carter got into his boat
Wasn't in a hurry, wanted to float
Think about the country, think about sin
Along swum a rabbit, and it tried to climb in
And what did Jimmy say

Look at him swimming, look at him fly
Ears laid back and a gleam in his eye
Hissing through his front teeth, swimming like a seal
If you were the President, how would you feel
You'd prob'ly say

President Carter saved the day
Splashed with the paddle, rabbit swam away
Jimmy was a hero, felt it in his bones
Said in the words of John Paul Jones

[Link: video.aol.com...]

re: #193 sattv4u2

Then owners around said rooftop and or yard are complicit,
or stupid,or both!

re: #193 sattv4u2

What then do you do when a "militant" sets up shop and stores and fires rockets from a "civilians" rooftop/yard?

Flatten the house it fired from. If the "civilian" was STUPID enough to let the "militant" in, it deserves all the destruction which will rain down upon it!

re: #153 Kosh's Shadow

If the NYT is sold, I hope whoever gets the Boston Globe makes Jeff Jacoby Editor-in-Chief.
Except that the moonbats in Boston and Cambridge would probably stop buying the paper and its circulation would go down further. Actually, though, the moonbats wouldn't be caught dead reading the Herald, so maybe they'd stick with the Globe.

I agree. *Sigh* I grew up in a Boston where the Globe was not a shill for al-NYT...and it was actually decent.

Jeff Jacoby deserves the job, but I wonder if it could ever happen under any circumstances. A friend of mine in Brookline passes him every Shabbat on her way to KI, and he, to YI...he always smiles and wishes her a Good Shabbos.

I would, if all things were ideal, prefer seeing al_NYT go under. Bottom line? I really expect that almost all newspapers will be digital within this decade, and sooner rather than later.

The Herald? Wouldn't it be great if Jeff Jacoby and Howie Carr could publish a newspaper in Boston?

/I may need a mediaction adjustment for that one!

re: #109 Opinionated

You have to read what he wrote in full. He is complaining that Israeli aircraft are doing surveillance on the Lebanese terrorists and unfortunately [a logical inference from what he writes] the terrorists can't "defend" themselves by shooting down those Israeli aircraft.

I should have been clearer that his sympathy is, of course, misplaced. He's like that UNIFIL general who considers Israeli overflights are worse than Hezbollah rockets.

I was looking for proof that Carter was lying though. I didn't find it and that's what I emphasized.

re: #174 Killian Bundy

So, what's your solution, kill 'em all?

/because, even if Israel reoccupies Gaza, the population is still going to be there and they'll still want to kill Jews

There is a lot to be said for making a population sick of war,palestinians have been spared the hard hand for the most part.

re: #194 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY

It could be under a small drift up on a ledge!

Hope it is back on soon.
Here is the Old Faithful web cam however.

BBL

re: #128 Killgore Trout
Hi Killgore. " Israel is still responsible for shipping food, fuel, electricity, medicine into Gaza."
Why is that? I mean is there a legal responsibility or are you talking about a moral responsibility? Cause I have a hard time accepting the second one.
They elected Hamas, let Hamas deal with their problems of food, fuel, electricity and medicine. MAYBE if Hamas had to deal with that, they'd have less money and time to spend trying to kill Israeli civilians.

re: #80 Killian Bundy

Easier said than done.

/Israel had had a tough go of it in Lebanon a couple years ago, remember?

They had a tough go of it because Olmert paid more attention to world opinion polls and UN scolds than he did the actual battle.

re: #198 Killian Bundy

Good thinking.

/deport 'em all where exactly, what country(ies) are going to accept 1.4 million militant Muslims?

Deport them to MUSLIM countries. Let the Muslims enjoy their wonderful company for awhile.

re: #195 HoosierHoops

I worked ther off and on for 4 years!
Loved it!the ski resort constuction was the best!
Never bought a lift ticket the whole two years!

re: #198 Killian Bundy

Good thinking.

/deport 'em all where exactly, what country(ies) are going to accept 1.4 million militant Muslims?

the UK

re: #175 winston06

what does it take to annihilate Hamas?

Unfortunately I don't think it's practical. Hamas (and the Palestinians) were militarily defeated decades ago. Historically when that happens the defeated county surrenders and starts over. The Palestinians have decided to just live with their defeat. In fact the relish it. The more defeated they become the more they feel like martyrs. They wallow in their own pity, it's a societal thing.

To really wipe out Hamas (and other groups) would require Israeli soldiers on every corner in Gaza and the West Bank for a generation or two. It's just not going to happen.

re: #175 winston06

what does it take to annihilate Hamas?

First decapitate them. Their entire leadership several layers down.

At worst it will take them some time to attempt to reorganize.

re: #166 Elcid

It is indeed a "very slippery slope", that's a given. The fact(s) remains that these insects, don't care about "innocent civilians"...Never have, never will.

I seriously doubt, that line of thought ever crossed the mind, of Charles 'The Hammer' Martel.

Having typed that, I do see your point...BUT where does it end, how is it stopped?

People are dying regardless. Now it is "Death by 1000 Papercuts", (plug for you there, oh blogger of noteworthiness)...do we continue this route, or face these vile in'SECTS and have them mentally live in the centuries of their glory, the 7th and 8th?

in terms of time line I refer to what Iron Fist just said up above...the pressure is mounting on all sides and what Obama states as policy may bust it open...I'm as curious as anybody to see how it turns

re: #187 albusteve

well maybe that's the solution then...a massive info campaign then send in the shock troops...but I still have a problem with civilian casualties and wont give up hope there is another way...I know I'm in the minority here but what is certain is that Israel must maintain the moral high ground...(whatever they determine that to be)...I dont like the 'kill em all solution

The "moral high ground" is that mounded dirt on a new grave.

Let's hope this isn't for more powdered milk.

Israel was attacked from the first day after its independence and incessantly since then by the Arabs and, I think, by proxy by the Persians (Iran). What also is sickening is the fact that the Dome of the Rock was built over a sacred Jewish Temple. They could have built it somewhere else, but they deliberately put it there. I find this to be highly disrespectful. The Arabs have enough of their own land to assimilate the Palestinians without touching any part of Israel.

Israel and its land should be left alone. Its the holidays, so I could wish. Happy Hanukkah and Merry Christmas. I can't say the same about another religion when it wants our friend and ally Israel destroyed.

re: #94 ploome hineni

we know what Jimmy Carter is

how come no one else in the MSM knows?

how come Jimmy Carter is SEEN TO BE respected everywhere?

where is any reaction to this monster

because that is what Jimmy is, a monster

Perhaps a MandyManners world press cluebat tour is in order?

A couple of years ago, Israel abandoned a strategy that seemed to ALWAYS stop this rocket attacks - they simply targeted mid-level and upper level Hamas commanders and leaders. Hamas would fire off rockets for three straight days and then an Israeli airstrike would take out a Hamas commander and ...no more rocket attacks for weeks.

I don't know if the change was due to the capture of Gilad Shalit but I, for one, would love to see that strategy back in place. It's amazing how quiet Gaza can get when a Hamas leader is no more.

re: #185 samsgran1948

One of them kept saying that it didn't matter, that Israel was tough and that they would be able to go it alone if neccessary.

I think that's true. Israel is not a welfare case and they will survive just fine with or without us.

re: #128 Killgore Trout

The palis freely chose Hamas as their elected leaders, not Israel.

re: #202 Macker

Flatten the house it fired from. If the "civilian" was STUPID enough to let the "militant" in, it deserves all the destruction which will rain down upon it!

A military target is the a military target.

When the enemy sets up a target on or around a civilians, the war crime is on the enemy not the forces attacking the military target.

Rules of warfare require both sides to exercise due diligence in protecting civilians. Using civilians as shields, is precluded. Uses civilian facilities for military operations turns them into targets.

Hamas uses a kindergarten to launch rockets, IDF responds kids are killed.
The war crime is Hamas' not the IDFs.

re: #156 MandyManners
I just got him in Nepal - man, for an older guy, Santa sure moves fast!

re: #207 realwest

Hi Killgore. " Israel is still responsible for shipping food, fuel, electricity, medicine into Gaza."
Why is that? I mean is there a legal responsibility or are you talking about a moral responsibility? Cause I have a hard time accepting the second one.
They elected Hamas, let Hamas deal with their problems of food, fuel, electricity and medicine. MAYBE if Hamas had to deal with that, they'd have less money and time to spend trying to kill Israeli civilians.

They rob their people blind the same as Fatah did. "Their people" and their needs are the last on the list of things to do...the first one is: kill the Jews and destroy Israel...

It's a tough spot to be in...playing by the rules while the other side is not does not seem to be working. Perhaps they should tell Hamas they get nothing and every rocket attack will be met with one 100x worse? Who knows what to do over there? I am certain Obama will come in thinking the can solve this mess...he will learn quickly that there is no way to solve it as long as one side (Hamas) wants to destroy the other side (Israel)

re: #213 Killgore Trout

Unfortunately I don't think it's practical. Hamas (and the Palestinians) were militarily defeated decades ago. Historically when that happens the defeated county surrenders and starts over. The Palestinians have decided to just live with their defeat. In fact the relish it. The more defeated they become the more they feel like martyrs. They wallow in their own pity, it's a societal thing.

To really wipe out Hamas (and other groups) would require Israeli soldiers on every corner in Gaza and the West Bank for a generation or two. It's just not going to happen.

If things keep going like they are, with the Palestinians being indoctrinated to be inhuman bombs against the Israelis, the result will be either the Palestinians kill themselves, Israel kills them, or Israel is gone.
Other possibilities include having another entity run Hamasistan for a few generations, teaching them to co-exist with Israel, until they are civilized, but I don't see any organization that is capable of doing that, and if there is one, I doubt it would take the job.

re: #193 sattv4u2

What then do you do when a "militant" sets up shop and stores and fires rockets from a "civilians" rooftop/yard?

Simultaneous (using radar, before the rockets even hit) counterbattery fire with 155mm would probably get their attention pretty quick.

/otherwise, Israel has been retaliating with airstrikes against leadership targets, it's a question of how much Israel wants to escalate, the more they do, the more painful it gets for them

re: #221 ornery elephant

The current Israeli leadership is more interested in world and media opinion than protecting their citizens.

re: #200 Dustyvet

ROTFLLL! Thank you for the first laugh of the day.

re: #160 Kosh's Shadow
"Just wait another 4 years and see if Dimmah stays as #1 worst or moves is shoved into second place."
There, fixed that for ya!

Great. A big dose of crazy from Reuters for Christmas Eve. Yeehaw.

Let nothing you dismay.

re: #215 ploome hineni

yeah?

then they reap the whirlwind and anyone even throwing a rock goes to their just reward. and when its over thier wont be anyone leftwilling to continue the fight.

then israel wthdraws and lets them wail and nash thier teeth.

whats left of them.

What to do with Gaza that's full of militant terrorists and Gazans (I know, I do repeat myself)?

Tell the Palestinians that's their state. Make of it as they wish. If they wish to make war with Israel, they will suffer all the consequences of such a decision. Knowing that the terrorists will continue such actions, Israel should attack Hamas, their leadership, capture their "legislators" and try them all as war criminals, and demand the unconditional release of Gilad Shalit - for starters. Destroy all infrastructure accordingly. Cut all power and access. Let Gaza actually fend for themselves, and prevent any weapons from entering or leaving Gaza. Reestablish the Philadelphi corridor to ensure that the terrorists don't attempt to smuggle in weapons and equipment.

Notify Gaza that all weapons will be collected. Let the liberals whine all they want and simply reply that Israel is doing to the Palestinians that the liberals had done to the District of Columbia, NYC, and all other big US cities - making them weapons free zones will make everyone safer. /

re: #230 NY Nana

ROTFLLL! Thank you for the first laugh of the day.

Your Very Welcome..:)

re: #223 FurryOldGuyJeans

The palis freely chose Hamas as their elected leaders, not Israel.

yes ,,, monitored and verified as being totally on the up and up and free of fraud by The Jimmy Carter Center!

ummm,,, wait ,,, ooopppsss!

re: #229 FurryOldGuyJeans

The current Israeli leadership is more interested in world and media opinion than protecting their citizens.

Tragically true...

re: #224 jcm

A military target is the a military target.

When the enemy sets up a target on or around a civilians, the war crime is on the enemy not the forces attacking the military target.

Rules of warfare require both sides to exercise due diligence in protecting civilians. Using civilians as shields, is precluded. Uses civilian facilities for military operations turns them into targets.

Hamas uses a kindergarten to launch rockets, IDF responds kids are killed.
The war crime is Hamas' not the IDFs.

I concur and eventually the IDF will have to go this approach I'm sure...they will escalate incrementally with ground troops and assasination until a full blown assault goes down...at least that's one take...

re: #210 doriangrey

Deport them to MUSLIM countries. Let the Muslims enjoy their wonderful company for awhile.

What Muslim countries will agree to take them?

/you just can't unilaterally deport millions of people

re: #228 Killian Bundy

Simultaneous (using radar, before the rockets even hit) counterbattery fire with 155mm would probably get their attention pretty quick.

/otherwise, Israel has been retaliating with airstrikes against leadership targets, it's a question of how much Israel wants to escalate, the more they do, the more painful it gets for them

But then you're firing on civilian targets, which is what you've been railing about

re: #177 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops - just wanted to make sure to wish you and yours a Merry Christmas/Happy Hanukkah!

re: #180 lawhawk
Yep. What you said.

re: #207 realwest

I mean is there a legal responsibility or are you talking about a moral responsibility?

I'm talking about a practical responsibility. They could seal off Gaza from all aid and starve the entire population men, women and children. I'd guess this wouldn't take much more than a few months before the population of Gaza was down to a few hundred. The Israeli population doesn't want this and the world wouldn't allow it anyways.

Also the Israelis can't allow the Muslim nations to ship humanitarian aid without supervision because they'd just send crates of weapons. The only practical option left is that the Israelis have to administer, supervise and control the humanitarian aid. There's not much of a way around it.

re: #215 ploome hineni

Actually, you know, it's a clever strategy by the HAMAS terrorists -- say the Israelis go into Gaza -- it's the Xmas break -- media does the screamin' an' hollerin' -- and there are worldwide outcries against Israel and pro terrorists -- with the background noise being, "it's all about peace! peace i tell ya!" with the "pacifists" leading the charges. Then, when the Islamists finish with Israel, they'll mount their attacks elsewhere -- say against a western nation -- then, how can any western nation dare defend itself?

re: #212 HoosierHoops

the UK

Arrr - thats not in the Christmas spirit, that is!

Why not stick them in the Magic Kingdom?
Room enough in the desert, methinks ...

re: #228 Killian Bundy

re: #241 sattv4u2

But then you're firing on civilian targets, which is what you've been railing about AGAINST

PIMF

re: #187 albusteve

well maybe that's the solution then...a massive info campaign then send in the shock troops...but I still have a problem with civilian casualties and wont give up hope there is another way...I know I'm in the minority here but what is certain is that Israel must maintain the moral high ground...(whatever they determine that to be)...I dont like the 'kill em all solution

The same moral high ground Jews had as they marched into the gas chambers and slaughter pits?

re: #242 realwest

Hey Hoops - just wanted to make sure to wish you and yours a Merry Christmas/Happy Hanukkah!

Merry Christmas Realwest.. My God bless you and your mother and bring you peace, love, health and happiness this coming year.

re: #241 sattv4u2

But then you're firing on civilian targets, which is what you've been railing about

/no, I was railing against indiscriminate shelling

re: #235 lawhawk

What to do with Gaza that's full of militant terrorists and Gazans (I know, I do repeat myself)?

Tell the Palestinians that's their state. Make of it as they wish. If they wish to make war with Israel, they will suffer all the consequences of such a decision. Knowing that the terrorists will continue such actions, Israel should attack Hamas, their leadership, capture their "legislators" and try them all as war criminals, and demand the unconditional release of Gilad Shalit - for starters. Destroy all infrastructure accordingly. Cut all power and access. Let Gaza actually fend for themselves, and prevent any weapons from entering or leaving Gaza. Reestablish the Philadelphi corridor to ensure that the terrorists don't attempt to smuggle in weapons and equipment.

Notify Gaza that all weapons will be collected. Let the liberals whine all they want and simply reply that Israel is doing to the Palestinians that the liberals had done to the District of Columbia, NYC, and all other big US cities - making them weapons free zones will make everyone safer. /

well said...you have my attention finally

re: #186 Elcid
Thank YOU Elcid!
And a Merry Christmas/Happy Hanukkah to you and yours.

re: #240 Killian Bundy

What Muslim countries will agree to take them?

/you just can't unilaterally deport millions of people

Who cares. Send them to Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia or Iran. Hell any godforsaken Islamic hellhole will do. Islam created the Palestinians let Islam enjoy the fruits of their labor first hand.

re: #224 jcm

A military target is the a military target.

When the enemy sets up a target on or around a civilians, the war crime is on the enemy not the forces attacking the military target.

Rules of warfare require both sides to exercise due diligence in protecting civilians. Using civilians as shields, is precluded. Uses civilian facilities for military operations turns them into targets.

Hamas uses a kindergarten to launch rockets, IDF responds kids are killed.
The war crime is Hamas' not the IDFs.

And yet the media will always report that it was the Israelis who acted "disproportionately" or killed civilians or kids (and will willingly use Palestinian propaganda to spread photos of same). Never mind that there's no such thing as disproportionate force in a military conflict - the Israelis should be using all the force necessary to win. They've stopped doing that years ago, and now hope simply for a stalemate, which is a losing proposition when you don't have a population to draw upon.

re: #251 Killian Bundy

/no, I was railing against indiscriminate shelling

so if the civilain target was used as a launch site, OKAY
if the civilain target wqas next door to the launch site NOT OKAY

gotchy!
//

re: #239 albusteve

I concur and eventually the IDF will have to go this approach I'm sure...they will escalate incrementally with ground troops and assasination until a full blown assault goes down...at least that's one take...

The thing that bugs me is that Israel has excellent artillery. With modern counter battery fire systems. A rocket launch can be detected, ranged and fired on for effect before the rockets land. Much too soon for the rocket crew to skedaddle.

The target area would be flatten, which is often a school or hospital.

In GWI the Iraqi artillery batteries seldom fired more than one salvo. And techniques have just improved.

Making rocket launches suicide missions would slow them down.

re: #246 yma o hyd

Arrr - thats not in the Christmas spirit, that is!

Why not stick them in the Magic Kingdom?
Room enough in the desert, methinks ...

LOL yea i was just teasing about the UK..