The stupid is strong in this one.

There's a reason to not stand behind the Palestinians. They've chosen terrorism and genocide as their ultimate goal. They seek Israel's destruction and voted for Hamas and their nihilism. More people realize this than DKossers and the media would have you believe, but both are doing their best to throw the conflict to the Palestinians.

But for the ongoing kassam attacks, Israel would not have attacked.
For Hamas, but for Israel's existence, the kassams would not have been fired.

Hamas will continue its war against Israel until such time it can no longer carry out its war, or Israel is destroyed. Those who continue to root for the Palestinians are siding with those who seek Israel's destruction.

I just love how the left revises their history in real time. Orwell would be weeping if he was alive today.

I remain confounded by the American progressive movement’s widespread refusal to stand behind the Palestinian people as they are subjected to an endless barrage of colonialist, racist aggression.

During the election, Kossacks were telling themselves that if their precious BHO lost, it would be purely due to racism. Now they're telling themselves the same things about their beloved Palestine.

Puh-lease.

The Gaza strip needs to be cleaned out. The Philistines must be crushed and the remnants relocated to the coast West of Alexandria.

Someone remind me to keep on not clicking links to the koskooks. I always feel dirty after.

re: #3 BlueCanuck

I just love how the left revises their history in real time. Orwell would be weeping if he was alive today.

We have always been at war with eastasia...

I like the fact they used the pic of Obama standing at the AIPAC podium. Da Jooooooos!

One kossack takes Daisy Cutter to task...

One Jew's reaction to Daisy Cutter and the I/P Conflict

I am an American Jew. I've never been to Israel, but was raised to believe it was the God's promised land, where all Jews would be free from persecution. I was raised to love this far-away country as my own, to hold it blameless when it stumbled, to defend it to my death.

I grew up, however, having a slightly more complicated view of Israel. I saw how Arab Isreali's did not have the same opportunities as Jewish Israeli's, or even new European immigrants. I saw how Palestinians lived in abject poverty. I saw Zionist extremists - a pretty small, but extremely vocal community - descend on territories in the West Bank, displacing Palestinian families, cutting down their olive orchards, in the name of "reclaiming God's land" for the Jews. I saw how the right-wind political factions in Israel exploited the real fear and terror regular Israeli citizens felt at targeted by suicide bombers in their shops and cafes to keep themselves in power, while at the same time seeking no real solutions to this ancient problem.

I saw the inequity in this and decided not to hold Israel blameless. I'm know I'm not the only American Jew who feels this way.

However, when I read Daisy Cutter's diary, this was my immediate and gut reaction.

"Fuck you."

Palestinians have not chosen terrorism, they chose Islam.

I remain confounded by the American progressive movement’s widespread refusal to stand behind the Palestinian people as they are subjected to an endless barrage of colonialist, racist aggression.

I wasn't aware stupidity, ignorance or progressivism was a race.

All narratives are true. Some narratives are more temporally expedient than others.

Daisy Cutter must have some serious stock in powdered milk!

re: #5 lifeofthemind

The Gaza strip needs to be cleaned out. The Philistines must be crushed and the remnants relocated to the coast West of Alexandria.

* * *
Hey, Alexandria, Virginia is already full of jihadists, thankyouverymuchNOT!

Antisemite congressman Jim Moran hails from this leftist region of Northern Virginia. Take our leftist carpetbagging jihadist Moran, please.

I can’t help but feel an abject sense of horror at the fact that most Americans will probably find some way to blame the Palestinians for bringing this on themselves.

Daisy, dear, please do tell me why this isn't something the Palis have brought on themselves.

Of course, this is a perfect illustration of the Progressives' failure to study their own history. The first Progressive administration, that of Woodrow Wilson, was amply racist and imperialist, and Wilson himself thought he was on a mission from God.... and that those who opposed him were thereby defying Divine Will.

Palestinian self-determination

Problem is that the Arabs who call themselves Palestinians have over and over and over again determined and sworn themselves to be unrepentant barbaric savages.

Gotta love the left. Hate Israel first... hate American second... embrace terrorists as moral and just.

And we allow them political power?

Daisy Cutter has drunk long and deep from the kool-aid.

re: #16 Opinionated

Problem is that the Arabs who call themselves Palestinians have over and over and over again determined and sworn themselves to be unrepentant barbaric savages.

This is where the diplomat praises the virtue of consistency.

Didn't we have a Daisy cutter here for a while?

re: #8 Killgore Trout

The usual wackjobs are screaming that it's all AIPAC's fault. From the most recent comment thread at the "lenin's tomb" blog.

"I have been banned from many US, UK leftist dogmatic, stalinist, revisionist XXth Century Socialism bloggers, forums and debate-groups for agreeing with the Zionist Power Control theory that claims that USA is ruled and owned by Israel.

According to the dogmatic-left, that cannot happen because US is an empire and there is no absolute way that USA could be controlled by a lesser, weaker country.

How dumb are US-UK and world dogmatic leftists, when we all know that AIPAC and the ZPC (Zionist Powerful Configuration) controls US government policies.

NY Marxist

IIRC it's an excommunicated troll... might be misremembering.

How many children did Harold Pinter have?

re: #22 Thanos

IIRC it's an excommunicated troll... might be misremembering.

lgf: user profile of 'daisy cutter'

Israel Air Force Resumes Attacks, Targets Hamas Film Studios

Excerpt from report by Israeli public radio station Voice of Israel Network B on 27 December

The Israel Air Force [IAF] attacked targets in the Gaza Strip again this evening. No casualties were reported in this attack. Palestinian sources reported that in this evening's attack, the IAF fired at Hamas's film studio complex, which was erected on the ruins of Ganey Tal recently and was used to produce propaganda films.

Our correspondent Gal Berger reports that Hamas has instructed its members not to congregate together, so as not to become easy targets for Israel. In today's IAF attacks in the Gaza Strip, 205 Palestinians were killed and over 350 were wounded. The IAF's targets include Hamas training facilities, the adminstration building, weapon warehouses, and the Gaza Strip's port.

IDF sources stress that television footage shows that most of the Palestinian casualties are policemen and uniformed Hamas activists. Hamas has confirmed that all its security installations in the Gaza Strip have been totally destroyed.

Palestinian sources reported that the IAF attacks in the Rafah area shook the tunnels along the border between Egypt and the Gaza Strip, and the Palestinians who maintain the smuggling tunnels fled in fear of the latter's collapse. [passage omitted]

Two people were wounded by rocket fire early this evening in the Eshkol Regional Council. One of them sustained moderate to serious injuries. The Palestinians have fired dozens of rockets and mortar shells at Israel since the start of the IAF's offensive. Rockets exploded in the western Negev communities, the Lakhish District, Netivot, and Ashqelon. [passage omitted]

Originally published by Voice of Israel, Jerusalem, in Hebrew 1700 27 Dec 08.

In reading articles from a variety of sources -- I can't help but see (amongst the usual condemnation of Israel), a slightly "relieved" or "less-anti-Israeli" tone than I am used to.

I see articles making an effort to point out that Gaza is the HAMAS-run territory (a.k.a. the bad one), or else they include mention of the rockets (which no doubt would normally have been ignored).

Is it possible that there is actually a genuine disdain for Hamas, as much as the MSM wants to root for the Palestinian cause?

re: #8 Killgore Trout

I like the fact they used the pic of Obama standing at the AIPAC podium. Da Jooooooos!

Give them extra credit if they can add Madoff into the mix.

re: #17 Wendya

Gotta love the left. Hate Israel first... hate American second... embrace terrorists as moral and just.

And we allow them political power?

* * *
"We" didn't all sit & watch on the sidelines encouraging leftists, you know.

Many ignorant voters' votes were bought with promises of free stuff and kumbaya.

Some ignoramuses may open their eyes eventually.

re: #1 Racer X

The stupid is strong in this one.

I smell pancakes..

The comments section of DKos is about to get very, very interesting. There's a shit storm on the way. I'm making popcorn.

re: #2 lawhawk

There's a reason to not stand behind the Palestinians.

Also you may trip over Jimmy Carter.

re: #9 NJDhockeyfan

One kossack takes Daisy Cutter to task...

One Jew's reaction to Daisy Cutter and the I/P Conflict

What a roundabout way to say those last two words.

Anarchists from the fringes of the far left do have a strong bond with Gaza. It is exactly what their utopia looks like.

re: #10 akak

Palestinians have not chosen terrorism, they chose Islam.

yes...a fine distinction!....Allah Whackbar!

This fellow is free to join these fanatics IMHO.

Hmmm...a Saudi liberal calls for the end of religious police and an American Liberal calls for the success of the genocidal maniacs of Hamas. And that, friends, is the difference between liberals and Liberals.

I'm sure Pat Buchanan will dust off one of his column's from the summer of 06 and change a few words and a few dates as well. Go IDF I say!

To all you over at DKos that claim to embrace freedom, self-determination, justice, honor and what is right.....I say to you go forth and fornicate thy self with a red hot poker

Look at what Hamas stands for.....how can you possibly side with those animals? You have all lost your minds over there.

As a regular reader of the Daily Kos, I'm not glad to say that diaries like this are hardly unusual.

re: #25 NJDhockeyfan

Israel Air Force Resumes Attacks, Targets Hamas Film Studios

Our correspondent Gal Berger reports that Hamas has instructed its members not to congregate together,

Does that mean the car swarm season has been cancelled?

The useful idiots, Jewish supporters of Peace Now, are rapidly becoming less useful.

We cannot seriously expect Hamas to end their barrage of rocket attacks on southern Israel until the Israelis make good faith efforts to recognize the legitimate claims of the Palestinian people.

Too bad for the Palis that Israel recognizes the Pali illegimate claim to wipe out Israel.

re: #40 Opinionated

Does that mean the car swarm season has been cancelled?

It means that the Holiday Cruises to Gaza phenomena is Overcome By Events.

I remain confounded by the American progressive movement’s widespread refusal to stand behind the Palestinian people

But you are supposed to stand in front of them, near the 'dozer.

re: #43 lifeofthemind

It means that the Holiday Cruises to Gaza phenomena is Overcome By Events.

* * * *
Just when tourists are finally back in the "Holy" Land, gazans ask for holy war and get their holiday wish.

re: #10 akak

Palestinians have not chosen terrorism, they chose Islam.

that's simply a matter of semantics.......

"I can’t help but feel..." "I remain confounded by...." "I" "I" "I".................
The Left has "I" problems.
Self centered pricks.........forget about the aggression against the Israelis..........

I wondered how long it would take for the "progressives" to weep for Gaza.

Not even a day! I'm sure the networks will be wringing their hands by the evening newstime.

Just wait until Obama does comment, and says something that fails to condemn Israel. Then watch the heads explode.

_{Assuming such an event takes place.}

Kos Kids? They're still around?

Who knew?

re: #25 NJDhockeyfan

Israel Air Force Resumes Attacks, Targets Hamas Film Studios

NJDhf -

"...HOORAY for PALIWOOD? ..."

-S-

re: #38 Desert Dog

To all you over at DKos that claim to embrace freedom, self-determination, justice, honor and what is right.....I say to you go forth and fornicate thy self with a red hot poker

Look at what Hamas stands for.....how can you possibly side with those animals? You have all lost your minds over there.

They would have had to have minds in order to have lost them.

re: #49 wrenchwench

Just wait until Obama does comment, and says something that fails to condemn Israel. Then watch the heads explode.

_{Assuming such an event takes place.}

I think BHO is working on a carefully worded speech so as not to offend anyone.

I still want to see that video being held by the LA Times.

"I remain confounded by the American progressive movement’s widespread refusal to stand behind the Palestinian people..."

Dude, loosen your armband. It's cutting off blood to your brain.

Killgore, thanks for going to Kos for us so that we don't have to. I like to gets reports on the insanity, but I don't like going there.

The few times I have visited the KOS site, I've had to wash my computers hard drive out with soap and water...:)

There is an excellent reason "Progressives" do not stand behind Hamas. 7.62 is a thru and thru!

Thus the true "Progressive" wants someone else to stand behind Hamas!

i'm sick of belly aching terrorists.
who bomb and bomb and bomb so much w/ out repercussions that they think it's an absolute right.
what goes around comes around.
suck it up assholes.

re: #30 gclaghorn

The comments section of DKos is about to get very, very interesting. There's a shit storm on the way. I'm making popcorn.

Good news, Indeed!

re: #58 nyc redneck

i'm sick of belly aching terrorists.
who bomb and bomb and bomb so much w/ out repercussions that they think it's an absolute right.
what goes around comes around.
suck it up assholes.

Amen and updinged....

Did they hit the Hamas anti-Semitic Bee?

re: #56 Dustyvet

I recommend Everclear. Easier and gets rid of other stuff as well.

re: #58 nyc redneck

i'm sick of belly aching terrorists.
who bomb and bomb and bomb so much w/ out repercussions that they think it's an absolute right.
what goes around comes around.
suck it up assholes.

Let's not get into their sex lives.
Baaaad

Holy crap! Look at all that infighting in the comments section!

re: #64 gclaghorn

Holy crap! Look at all that infighting in the comments section!

At dkos, that is...

re: #49 wrenchwench

Just wait until Obama does comment, and says something that fails to condemn Israel. Then watch the heads explode.

_{Assuming such an event takes place.}

* * *

For the sake of argument, let's assume Obama grows Lincolnesque and defends the righteous.

Look at this comment over there:

hamas are freedom fighters (0 / 0)

just as the founders of Israel were terrorists and Washington was a terrorist. look in the mirror.

by oranj on Sat Dec 27, 2008 at 08:11:34 AM PST

Abbas' Presidential term ends, more or less, on the 9th of January. Israeli elections are on Feb 10th. There's a political context.

The ruling Kadima party in Israel has been taking heat for being weak and is predicted to lose to Likud led by Netanyahu. These attacks may help Kadima look stronger.

I have to ask if Hamas is cooperating in an effort to make Kadima look tougher, rather than have to deal with Netanyahu. I don't see much evidence for my speculation but I have to ask. We should keep an eye out for further developments.

It could also work the other way; Hamas could feel forced to restrain itself against Israel, lest a defeated-in-war Kadima be defeated in elections by Likud. That is, Hamas can't win; If it wins, it loses.

But if Hamas "Loses", the PA could come out stronger among the Palestinians. If this matters, Gaza could turn to have had One Man, One Vote, One Time.

Israel wants to stop the rocketing of it's cities and delegitimize Hamas. Hamas wants death, preferably on TV.

re: #53 NJDhockeyfan

I think BHO is working on a carefully worded speech so as not to offend anyone.

I still want to see that video being held by the LA Times.

* * *
Khalid Mohammed, Obama's good friend and former spokesperson for Hamas, couldn't be reached for comment!

re: #69 alegrias

* * *
Khalid Mohammed, Obama's good friend and former spokesperson for Hamas, couldn't be reached for comment!

Any comments yet from the peanut farmer?

You want to know why I won't stand with the Palestinians? Cuz you could get hit by an IDF missile that's why. And I wouldn't want to throw off the IDF's aim with my 6'4" blond headed self.

How anyone can blame Israel is beyond me. It's ok for the Pals to lob missiles and mortars non-stop into Israel but If Israel responds at all in self defense it's a hate crime.

And the media is as complicit as the Pals themselves are. They'll print story after fake story full of shopped pictures blaming Israel for every little thing
and show pictures of supposed dead Pals but they never show one picture
of the Israeli suffering or Israeli dead from Pal attacks. Only the Pals are suffering according to those news sources who wouldn't know truth if it smacked them in the teeth. The only reasons the Gazans are suffering is because Hamas keeps everything for themselves so those doing without can go on being propoganda pieces like they had a choice.

From the same DKos commenter, oranj:

israel is a terrorist state (9+ / 0-)

occupying another country against intl. law, numerous UN resolutions, economic blockade, apartheid, collective punishment. if any other country behaved like this we'd have wiped them off the map 60 years ago.
Patience for Israel died out in Europe 30 years ago. Eventually itll die out in the US too and we are seeing signs of it on this site. israel is doomed if it carries on like this for another 50 years it simply will not exist.

by oranj on Sat Dec 27, 2008 at 08:16:54 AM PST

re: #26 Joo-LiZ

In reading articles from a variety of sources -- I can't help but see (amongst the usual condemnation of Israel), a slightly "relieved" or "less-anti-Israeli" tone than I am used to.

I see articles making an effort to point out that Gaza is the HAMAS-run territory (a.k.a. the bad one), or else they include mention of the rockets (which no doubt would normally have been ignored).

Is it possible that there is actually a genuine disdain for Hamas, as much as the MSM wants to root for the Palestinian cause?

Shalom!

I have noticed this, recently, as well, and it did strike me, today, in particular. I hope the MSM is waking up.

------------

I am very sorry it has come down to this, but at the same time glad that Israel is retaliating, at last. For every rocket Hamas fires, Israel should respond with ten times as many. Since Hamas will not relent of its own accord, they must be brought to their knees by Israel's superior force. It's all Hamas will understand.

As for the liberal left, not all of us are as brainwashed as Daisy. And if the MSM starts reporting the truth, more will come around.

re: #67 gclaghorn

Look at this comment over there:

Wait till they get a load of living in an Islamic society.

So stupid it's a wonder their head doesn't implode from the vacuum.

re: #70 Dustyvet

Any comments yet from the peanut farmer?

He's is probably very fervently praying that god smite those evil Jew's.

Gaza voted heavily for Obama

re: #72 gclaghorn

From the same DKos commenter, oranj:

anti-semitic bastard...

re: #77 Dustyvet

anti-semitic bastard...

Even worse, he was updinged by 9 commenters over there.

When I first saw the news of the attack on Hamas I can't say I was happy to see over 100 dead but thought well what else could Israel do. Seeing more of the story at least the IDF did what it always does in targeting high value targets and doing their best to avoid collateral damage.

Having read that BS from dickweed I'm thinking the bombing needs to be expanded to include wherever it lives.

Some (warning!) graphic images of Hamas-ppl who got hit:

Your text to link...

Btw, Charles. I've got difficulties logging in on the front. Can only enter with my login through "my account".

Corrected link... (i hope)

re: #58 nyc redneck

i'm sick of belly aching terrorists.
who bomb and bomb and bomb so much w/ out repercussions that they think it's an absolute right.
what goes around comes around.
suck it up assholes.

refreshingly clear speech.

Digg and Reddit and burning up as well.

I'd love to see the IPs/countries these comments on Digg, Kos, Reddit, etc. come from.

I remain confounded by the American progressive movement’s widespread refusal to stand behind the Palestinian people as they are subjected to an endless barrage of colonialist, racist aggression.

I remain confounded as to why the American Progressive Movement isn't laughed out of existence.

I'm seriously starting to believe the left has no representation, no politician is as crazy as the left in this country. Leftish politicians can be problematic, but they pale in comparison to their supporters, who spent about a week celebrating before completely turning on Obama. How left would Obama have to go to keep his supporters happy? The destruction of capitalism? The destruction of Israel? Neither of those things are a possibility for any politician, only in the imaginations of the leftist hordes.

Obama Speaks!

US president-elect Barack Obama is "monitoring" the deadly violence in the Gaza strip while he is on vacation in Hawaii, a spokesperson said Saturday.

I'm sure he will be taken to task by the Kossacks.

Sarah Palin when contacted for comment said...

Excessive force was used? Israel HASN'T responded with enough, YET

re: #87 Quilly Mammoth

Obama Speaks!

US president-elect Barack Obama is "monitoring" the deadly violence in the Gaza strip while he is on vacation in Hawaii, a spokesperson said Saturday.

I'm sure he will be taken to task by the Kossacks.

Joe Biden's minders could not be reached for comment from an undisclosed location....Quick someone get a microphone in front of "Gaff Master" Biden.

re: #88 SteveLA

Sarah Palin when contacted for comment said...

...I can see Israel from my house!

re: #91 jamie

...I can see Israel from my house!

Something along the lines of "I ate a Bagel this morning, I support the Jews"

re: #78 gclaghorn

Even worse, he was updinged by 9 commenters over there.

And that diary is still at or near the top of their Recommended Diaries list -- an indication of strong community support for its contents.

Gaza "elected" Hamas...and actions have consequences (as we will soon find out as well). If Hamas hadn't been raining Katushas on Israel, these airstrikes would not have happened. Again. Actions=Consequences.

My guess is that these IAF strikes are about as precise as by any air force in the world. Unlike their enemies, they truly try not to target non-combatants.

Pray for the IAF.
Pray for Israel.
Pray for peace.

KBO

re: #26 Joo-LiZ

In reading articles from a variety of sources -- I can't help but see (amongst the usual condemnation of Israel), a slightly "relieved" or "less-anti-Israeli" tone than I am used to.

I see articles making an effort to point out that Gaza is the HAMAS-run territory (a.k.a. the bad one), or else they include mention of the rockets (which no doubt would normally have been ignored).

Is it possible that there is actually a genuine disdain for Hamas, as much as the MSM wants to root for the Palestinian cause?

I suspect there is a distaste for Hamas. Hamas is not great with hasbarah.

re: #32 Joo-LiZ

What a roundabout way to say those last two words.

It's pretty pro-forma--you have to

1. mention racism against the Mizrahim (ignoring the racism that sent them running to Israel from Arab countries they'd been living in a coupla thousand years) Also, ignore the fact that interal color and culture prejudice in OTHER diaspora groups is CAUSED by colonialism, among Jews it IS colonialism...

2. Trash the Russians

Then you can support Israel, sorta.

But those last two words count for a lot, IMW

re: #88 SteveLA

Sarah Palin when contacted for comment said...

I can fully support, that is, as though the outcome all of us want, in a war, that is we hope in any war, we want to naturally support the side that God, k'now, is most supporting, and personally, as an American, I agree with those who, you betcha.

I think she's supporting Israel, though, and a new grandma can hardly be expected to do grammar. (Baby born yet?)

I am shocked and saddened by the colonialist atrocities taking place in the Gaza Strip today. The Zionist air force is crushing traditional Palestinian dwellings (many hundreds of metres long and up to a meter wide) that are partially within the traditional villages of Al HaBorder and 'Nit Dewahl.

Furthermore, the mainstream media compounds these inexcusable attacks by claiming that that Palestinians have been launching "home-made rockets". Firstly, since when is it a crime to launch fireworks to celebrate the birth of Your Lord? Secondly, these rockets are not home made. Producing armaments in civilian areas would be a breach of the conventions to which the Palestinians are not signatories. These rockets are produced in highly sophisticated laboratories that have been temporarily occupied by refugees since time immemorial.

The latest false claims by the Zionist-occupied media are that all Hamas security installations have been destroyed. Once again we see how the Zionists wish to take all security from Palestinians! How are they to feel secure without security installations? The imagined "attack" on a Hamas graduation ceremony which "killed" many policemen is yet another hypothetical instance of this. I, for one, know that I would be happy and proud to see masked gunmen roaming the streets. If this were to have happened it would have been yet another deprivation caused by the Zionist entity.

One ray of light remains, as bright as the traditional fireworks produced within Hamas medical and humanitarian facilities. This is the knowledge that Hamas' friends in the West Bank, Jordan, and Egypt will not stand by and let these atrocities continue. They will surely issue strongly worded notes within a day or two.

re: #98 Joe in Australia

I am shocked and saddened by the colonialist atrocities taking place in the Gaza Strip today. The Zionist air force is crushing traditional Palestinian dwellings (many hundreds of metres long and up to a meter wide) that are partially within the traditional villages of Al HaBorder and 'Nit Dewahl.

Furthermore, the mainstream media compounds these inexcusable attacks by claiming that that Palestinians have been launching "home-made rockets". Firstly, since when is it a crime to launch fireworks to celebrate the birth of Your Lord? Secondly, these rockets are not home made. Producing armaments in civilian areas would be a breach of the conventions to which the Palestinians are not signatories. These rockets are produced in highly sophisticated laboratories that have been temporarily occupied by refugees since time immemorial.

The latest false claims by the Zionist-occupied media are that all Hamas security installations have been destroyed. Once again we see how the Zionists wish to take all security from Palestinians! How are they to feel secure without security installations? The imagined "attack" on a Hamas graduation ceremony which "killed" many policemen is yet another hypothetical instance of this. I, for one, know that I would be happy and proud to see masked gunmen roaming the streets. If this were to have happened it would have been yet another deprivation caused by the Zionist entity.

One ray of light remains, as bright as the traditional fireworks produced within Hamas medical and humanitarian facilities. This is the knowledge that Hamas' friends in the West Bank, Jordan, and Egypt will not stand by and let these atrocities continue. They will surely issue strongly worded notes within a day or two.

I do hope this is sarcasm.

There can be no peace without unequivocal victory. I wish Israel would just get it over with already.

Daisy Cutter = Anti-Semitic POS.

Daily Kos = Anti-Semitic hellhole.

C'mon Kos, go ahead and team up with Stormfront already. They've got condems and flowers and you're already lubed up.

AND EVERYTHING
YOU STAND FOR,
R

Wire service coverage makes me ill when they contrast the "bad" Hamas with the "moderate" Abbas. US Newspapers carry this fiction without question. Exactly what are our moronic Journalism schools teaching ? This of course is a rhetorical question; they are teaching liberal victim orthodoxy that has no basis in historical fact. Very Depressing.

re: #6 mayor of imaginationland

Someone remind me to keep on not clicking links to the koskooks. I always feel dirty after.

don't do this

If they want "self-determination" Israel needs to let them have it (pun intended), i.e., Israel should immediately recognize the state of Palestine (Gaza) and lobby for its admission as a full member of the UN. As soon as Palestine is a member, any violence exported by Palestine to the territory of member state Israel can be met by Israel under UN charter article 51 with whatever force Israel deems necessary to halt the aggression and to do so with utter impunity under international law, even if it means that Israel would need to reduce every structure in Gaza to a smoldering pile of rubble. That's the price of admission to the community of nations if a would-be nation refuses to accept the rule of international law.

re: #38 Desert Dog

To all you over at DKos that claim to embrace freedom, self-determination, justice, honor and what is right.....I say to you go forth and fornicate thy self with a red hot poker

Look at what Hamas stands for.....how can you possibly side with those animals? You have all lost your minds over there.

Yes, they have lost their minds. I would like to say they suffer from mental illness, but it looks like they enjoy it.

I pray for all Israeli's either engaged or in harms way. May they be kept safe.

re: #70 Dustyvet

Any comments yet from the peanut farmer?

Remember when we were gearing up to kick Iraq’s butt and a bunch of American limp wrest liberals went over there and placed themselves in harm’s way as human shields?
Maybe that’s where Jimmie Carter is.

re: #2 lawhawk

There's a reason to not stand behind the Palestinians. They've chosen terrorism and genocide as their ultimate goal. They seek Israel's destruction and voted for Hamas and their nihilism. More people realize this than DKossers and the media would have you believe, but both are doing their best to throw the conflict to the Palestinians.

But for the ongoing kassam attacks, Israel would not have attacked.
For Hamas, but for Israel's existence, the kassams would not have been fired.

Hamas will continue its war against Israel until such time it can no longer carry out its war, or Israel is destroyed. Those who continue to root for the Palestinians are siding with those who seek Israel's destruction.

This is a great summary of the real situation and real folks - the palis continue to be pawns of the ROP and the mid-east.

Dropped a little history on the KOS:
(In response to poster "JericoJ8" who wrote "If Israel and Palestine can't play nice take their sand box away.")

Sandbox? Ooooh. Big talk, big boy. (0+ / 0-)
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Ummm...

Sorry sweetheart, you forget that Uncle Albert and ol' Dr. Oppenheimer BUILT the "sandbox" to try to give their kids a safe place to play where the NAZIs and their ilk might not kill them.

HAMAs wasn't invited. In fact, at that time, HAMAs' uncles (e.g., the Ikhwan) were busy collaborating with the NAZIs throughout western asia and the Balkins

"How did Hamas come into being? Following the incidents that sparked the Intifada on December 8, 1987, the seven men who composed the senior leadership of the Muslim Brotherhood, Al-Ikhwan Al-Muslimun, decided to transform the organization in Palestine into a resistance movement to be known as Hamas. It was on December 14, 1987 that Hamas came into being. These events were preceded by the Ikhwan, between 1967 and 1977, trying to regain some of the ground they had lost to secular nationalist movements working against the Israeli occupation. Outside Palestine, in Egypt and Kuwait, Palestinian student communities played a major role in revolutionizing the thinking within the movement as a whole."

[Link: www.researchsea.com...]

"Islamism and National Socialism have cursed democracy and shared political scapegoats since the 1920s when they both emerged as ideologically-driven political forces to serve their respective elites.

The Arab reflection of Mein Kampf was penned by Hassan al-Banna - founder of "al-Ikhwan al-Muslimun," an early incarnation of the Brotherhood - a
"supreme guide" who dwelt endlessly on "the sickness" that has defiled the
Muslem world and threatened to leave it spiritually diminished.

Al-Ikhwan mustered a score of Islamist terror organizations in 1928. The
organization received funding from the Saudis about this time, and in the
1930s Al-Ikhwan established a ligation in Munich to assist in fund-raising
for Adolph Hitler and his National Socialist Party."

[Link: www.thewebfairy.com...]

More on the same general subject:

[Link: www.palestinefacts.org...]

[Link: books.google.com...]

[Link: www.unitedcopts.org...]

"JericoJ8", no one is taking Judea from the Judeans. Try "taking the sandbox away"... if you're lucky you'll be left with a couple of burning stumps hanging from your useless shoulders (kinda like the useless stump that I suspect is perched atop 'em).

re: #99 doriangrey

I do hope this is sarcasm.

It was a spot-on impersonation of a Kossack... until that last sentence.

Heh-heh.

re: #10 akak

Palestinians have not chosen terrorism, they chose Islam.

But you repeat yourself...

re: #85 FrogMarch

I remain confounded as to why the American Progressive Movement isn't laughed out of existence.

Because evil never sleeps and stupid never dies.

I'm a frequent Kos contributor and check out LGF sometimes because you all intrigue me. Despite our political differences I learn a lot from LGF and there are some great commenters here.

The diary on the Rec list at DKos is an abomination and as a proud pro-Israel Democrat I'm deeply disturbed it's there at all. I'm heartened by the fact that there are many good pro-Israel and proud Zionist commenters on Daily Kos who are fighting the good fight against those who oppose the existence of the State of Israel and/or are supportive of Hamas. This is the first time I can remember that a diary like this has made the recommended list at DKos, and while it may not be the last rest assured that despite the vast differences between the Republican and Democratic parties there remain many good, strong and committed pro-Israel commenters on Daily Kos who won't allow these kinds of diaries to remain unchallenged.

Take care. And if the urge ever strikes any of you you should sign up for an account at Daily Kos and help us out in defending Israel. We may disagree on a great deal but in our defense of the state of Israel and the Jewish people we're as one.

re: #113 his royal highness

I'm a center right Democrat and got banned from DailyKos. They are over the top. Abandon all hope ye who enter.

I have an idea. We can start a fund to buy tickets for Jimmah Kata to go over and work as a human shield. Can anyone say "peanut butter." :)

re: #114 nodeengineer

I've hope good things can come from there. I don't know under what circumstances you were banned but I hope you at some point can rejoin us, at least under this discussion.

Some more nazi-sympathizing from the Palestinians:

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

They're just idiots who want to seem intelligent by taking the counterintuitive side of the argument. Most people with Western values who despise terrorism and targeting innocent people would side with Israelis, so jackasses like this have to show how much more insightful they are by siding with the terrorists. Plus it's a chance to bash America, so the Kosmonauts can't really help themselves.