LA Times Writer Praises JihadTV

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Middle East • Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 9:07 am PST • Views: 460

Los Angeles Times writer Ashraf Khalil complains that the Arab satellite channel Al Jazeera isn’t available in the US, and as evidence of their excellent reporting he shows a video clip by an Al Jazeera reporter trolling hospital beds in Gaza: In praise of Al Jazeera.

The report Khalil praises is blatant propaganda, with the sole purpose of inflaming emotions against Israel.

And of course, this is the cleaned-up, sanitized Al Jazeera for Western consumption. If you watch them in Arabic you get the real stuff.

For example, this incredibly vile birthday party for released terrorist Samir Kuntar—who shot a child’s father in front of her, then bashed the little girl’s brains out with a rifle butt.

Click picture to play video. Requires Windows Media Player; Mac users should install Flip4Mac.

This sickening, utterly depraved show alone should prevent Al Jazeera from ever being picked up by US cable providers, but people like Ashraf Khalil are doing their best to trick the American public into looking elsewhere.

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1 pbird  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:08:48am

Oh, that man's face is vile!

2 Pastorius  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:09:05am

Thanks for always being a voice against anti-Semitism, Charles.

3 Maximu§  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:09:38am

God, please give me 5 minutes alone in a room with this POS...just 5 minutes.

4 dhg4  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:09:55am

What's frightening is that folks like Khalil seem a lot closer to what passes for maintream than the fringes in the MSM.

5 pat  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:10:11am

They are among us.

6 Blackacre  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:10:22am

They are unvarnished terror apologists and terror enablers. They may fool some people, but they are not fooling us.

7 MJ  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:10:26am

Who needs Al Jazeera when CNN does such a good job of imitating it?

8 JacksonTn  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:10:34am

CNN is their representative in the US ...

9 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:11:19am

If they keep this up, the LA Times won't have any credibil . . .

Oh, never mind.

10 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:11:34am

Al Jazeera is vile... Are they Saudi based? Man we should happen to take them off the air by accident...

I was away and did not realize that Israel was finally attacking Gaza... Good for Israel. I guess they figure they had only another month of total US support for their actions... However, the fact that our do-nothing Administration is once again urging restraint is troubling...

11 WitchDoctor  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:12:23am

Hearts and minds. Why would I want a blatant propaganda channel on my satellite? I can't even fricking get my local ABC affiliate from satellite anymore (contract dispute with fisher broadcasting (boo) and Dish network) and this jerk wants to beam me the jihadi network?

12 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:12:29am
13 MJ  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:12:30am

Lawhawk has a great post on Palestinian propaganda:

[Link: lawhawk.blogspot.com...]

14 jcm  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:12:31am

LATimes, on their knees before their Islamic overlords, praying they are last.

No one who despises the birthright of liberty bestowed on them by the generations before, deserve that liberty.

15 bulwrk  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:12:35am

He works for the Times so he is just doing a little ass kissing because more than likely he will be looking for a job soon.

16 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:12:41am

JDAM

/damn ... several!

17 pinky  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:12:54am

Our MSM privides enough propaganda. We don't need no stinking Al Jazeera!

18 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:13:30am

re: #3 Maximu§

God, please give me 5 minutes alone in a room with this POS...just 5 minutes.

Nah. Him alone in a hyperbaric chamber for awhile might cause him to bend...

19 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:13:33am

re: #10 tfc3rid

Al Jazeera is vile... Are they Saudi based?

Qatar

20 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:14:03am

re: #5 pat

They are among us.


And, they are here to defeat us from within.

21 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:14:49am

Didn't those al Jazeera bastards play people celebrating the 9-11 attacks on a continuous loop?

Go frak yourself, Ashraf Khalil.

22 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:14:55am

re: #14 jcm

LATimes, on their knees before their Islamic overlords, praying they are last.

No one who despises the birthright of liberty bestowed on them by the generations before, deserve that liberty.

Gramscian Goatbuddies of the Caliphate

23 Tarkus289  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:15:22am

If this was a "real" war on terror, Al Jazeera's broadcast equipment would have been blown out of existence in Sept. '01.

24 Archimedes  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:16:21am

Charles, on the front page link page, when I select 25 links I only get 11. I'm using Firefox.

25 maddogg  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:16:29am
This sickening, utterly depraved show alone should prevent Al Jazeera from ever being picked up by US cable providers, but people like Ashraf Khalil are doing their best to trick the American public into looking elsewhere.

Obama is his role model, as he has already proved the gullibility of the uninformed masses here in the U.S.

26 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:16:35am

Hey, Hamas isn't so bad.

It's not like they're firing rockets at Israel every day. /frellin' moonbat *deleted*

27 jcm  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:17:14am

re: #22 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Gramscian Goatbuddies of the Caliphate

I like it!

28 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:17:55am

re: #25 maddogg

Obama is his role model, as he has already proved the gullibility of the uninformed masses here in the U.S.

But look at those gleaming pectoral muscles... God, it's like Brangelina is going to be in the White House! Thank God we are a bunch of celebrity worshippers in this country!

/f**king sarc

29 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:18:17am

re: #1 pbird

Oh, that man's face is vile!

If the eyes are windows to the soul,...

30 jcm  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:18:40am

re: #26 lawhawk

Hey, Hamas isn't so bad.

It's not like they're firing rockets at Israel every day. /frellin' moonbat *deleted*

The Juice made them do it!
/moonbat!

31 Namath  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:19:04am

I thought the ROP prohibited the acknowledgment of birthdays? I guess only when convenient - like when they're in the mood for a stoning or a beheading.

32 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:19:05am

re: #27 jcm Hey jcm - received and replied to your e-mail! Thank you!

33 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:19:07am
For example, this incredibly vile birthday party for released terrorist Samir Kuntar—who shot a child’s father in front of her, then bashed the little girl’s brains out with a rifle butt.

do left-wingers care? no - too busy ass-f*cking che.

34 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:19:26am

re: #26 lawhawk

Hey, Hamas isn't so bad.

It's not like they're firing rockets at Israel every day. /frellin' moonbat *deleted*

Yeah they hug children and love law and order.

35 doppelganglander  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:19:52am

It pisses me off to watch enemies of democracy using our own freedoms against us.

36 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:19:55am
37 albusteve  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:20:10am

"has aaanybody seen Joey?"

38 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:20:20am

CHARLES - just wanted to wish you, again, a HAPPY, HEALTHY and PROSPEROUS New Year and to thank you, again, for littlegreenfootballs!

39 tfc3rid  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:20:57am

re: #38 realwest

CHARLES - just wanted to wish you, again, a HAPPY, HEALTHY and PROSPEROUS New Year and to thank you, again, for littlegreenfootballs!

I second that comment from realwest.

Happy New Year to you real!

40 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:21:03am

This bastard can have my kidney stones...:P

41 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:21:16am

I still can't get over the fact that the "Refugee Camps" are 60 years old.
Stuck on stupid?

42 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:21:32am

re: #36 Iron Fist
Hey Fist! Didja seen my comment to you (I think # 1241) on the prior thread?

43 LindaMarie  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:21:42am

re: #10 tfc3rid

Doha is what they say, off to google to find it.
Al (the or of) Jazeera (Island).

44 Golem Akbar  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:21:56am

re: #9 Wyatt Earp

If they keep this up, the LA Times won't have any credibil . . .

Oh, never mind.

I read the Times' Busin...er...Sports...Calendar Section for movie show times. It's very oftensometimes accurate.

45 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:21:59am

re: #40 Dustyvet

This bastard can have my kidney stones...:P

Watch out! They'd probably base another religion on them.

46 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:22:34am

re: #45 MandyManners

Watch out! They'd probably base another religion on them.

*sigh*

47 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:23:32am

re: #39 tfc3rid
And the same back to you and yours my friend!

48 buzzdroid  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:23:50am

re: #26 lawhawk

Hey, Hamas isn't so bad.

It's not like they're firing rockets at Israel every day. /frellin' moonbat *deleted*

pretty much given up with mainstream media here - sticking with the blogs, LGF and jpost.com

49 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:24:13am
50 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:24:14am

re: #40 Dustyvet
Hey Dusty - did you get to the VA yet today (about that pain in your right side)?

51 maddogg  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:24:27am

re: #45 MandyManners

Watch out! They'd probably base another religion on them.

So what? It couldn't be any worse than one based on a murdering child molester could it? The law of averages would imply improvement.

52 Super-ego  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:24:29am

A staged T.V. terrorist birthday party. This is sick. It's insane and just plain perverse.

And L.A. Times sympathizing with a terrorists news source doesn't surprise me.

There's another crucial distinction between Jazeera and the Western press. The channel doesn't shield its viewers from the horrors of war.

But it does cover staged news as "real" news. And it understands that they control propaganda for it's viewers.

53 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:24:53am

And tonight I will celebrate with "Juice".
Hau'oli Makahiki Hou!

54 buzzdroid  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:25:09am

oh and HAPPY NEW YEAR FROM THE UK Charles.

thanks for LGF and all your work on it... its awesome.

(6 1/2 hours to go to midnight here..)

55 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:26:18am
56 buzzdroid  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:26:21am

re: #52 Super-ego

A staged T.V. terrorist birthday party. This is sick. It's insane and just plain perverse.

And L.A. Times sympathizing with a terrorists news source doesn't surprise me.

But it does cover staged news as "real" news. And it understands that they control propaganda for it's viewers.

which feeds into the death cult of IslamoNazis... big into the gore, blood, dead bodies and Juice-hating.

57 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:26:33am

re: #27 jcm

I like it!

We should sheep this LAT writer back to the Middle East.

58 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:26:34am

re: #24 Archimedes

Charles, on the front page link page, when I select 25 links I only get 11. I'm using Firefox.

Some categories don't get 25 links posted in a day. Check the number of days you have selected.

59 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:26:53am
60 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:27:11am

re: #50 realwest

Hey Dusty - did you get to the VA yet today (about that pain in your right side)?

Yes and thanks for your concern Realwest, I have a kidney stone...:( I was issues pin killers, and, told to drink huge amounts of juice till it passes.

61 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:27:11am

re: #48 buzzdroid

pretty much given up with mainstream media here - sticking with the blogs, LGF and jpost.com

If anything looks fishy and I can't figure out how I'm being lied to this time, I just ask about it here and almost always someone can set me straight with a reasoned response and perhaps a first-hand source or two.

62 buzzdroid  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:28:06am

IAF hits a gaza mosque - Hamas was storing rockets in it

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

ROP my ass...

63 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:29:25am

re: #62 buzzdroid

IAF hits a gaza mosque - Hamas was storing rockets in it

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

ROP my ass...

You worship G-d your way, we'll worship our way...

Seems consistent with their religion, if you ask me.

64 buzzdroid  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:30:04am

re: #61 David IV of Georgia

If anything looks fishy and I can't figure out how I'm being lied to this time, I just ask about it here and almost always someone can set me straight with a reasoned response and perhaps a first-hand source or two.

oh - and monniter is cool too

[Link: www.monitter.com...]

stick in some keywords like "hamas", "gaza", "idf" and you'll start getting tweets. all sides of the argument of course, but you do sometimes get links to breaking news...

65 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:30:17am

re: #46 Dustyvet

*sigh*

I wonder what kind of silver frame they'd put them in.

66 LindaMarie  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:30:27am

re: #41 IslandLibertarian

I still can't get over the fact that the "Refugee Camps" are 60 years old.
Stuck on stupid?

That is brilliant. Where they only half as bright.
I am going to send this comment to others if you don't mind.
Sums up the situation. I have one friend who I can already hear laughing.

67 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:30:52am

re: #55 Iron Fist ARGH! I asked you something about my computer and what you had said about it in my #1241! That's what I'm hoping you'll respond to!

68 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:31:04am

re: #51 maddogg

So what? It couldn't be any worse than one based on a murdering child molester could it? The law of averages would imply improvement.

For some reason, I think it'd be worse.

69 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:31:45am

re: #65 MandyManners

I wonder what kind of silver frame they'd put them in.

It only hurts when I laugh...:) Ouch!

70 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:31:53am

re: #57 pre-Boomer Marine brat

We should sheep this LAT writer back to the Middle East.

Oh, ewe.

71 Tarkus289  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:32:06am

For proper justice, I would love to see a 4 year old girl shove a Barbie doll
down this pig's throat.

72 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:32:08am

Happy New Year's Eve, Lizards!

73 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:32:33am

re: #69 Dustyvet

It only hurts when I laugh...:) Ouch!

An assortment of little frames or a great, big shadow box?

74 redstateredneck  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:33:15am

re: #72 goddessoftheclassroom

Happy New Year's Eve, Lizards!


Same to ya', {goddess}
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm ready to get this party started!

75 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:33:18am

re: #64 buzzdroid

It's cool and works well, but the moonbats the other day were overloading my ability to hold down nausea.

76 callahan23  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:33:30am

re: #38 realwest

CHARLES - just wanted to wish you, again, a HAPPY, HEALTHY and PROSPEROUS New Year and to thank you, again, for littlegreenfootballs!

I second that comment from realwest.

Happy New Year to you Charles and all my fellow lizards and like minded.

77 notutopia  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:34:08am

FARSE! BIAS! LIES!
This Al Jeer reporter states that they make-shifted these
ICU's. Perhaps...but, they don't look like they are for a loss of equipment...IV pumps, ventilators, electric hospital beds? They must have one hell of a generator system to run all these things if the power goes down...
This is what the future of our journalism will look like here recruiting Islamic reporters.

78 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:34:09am

re: #60 Dustyvet
A kidney stone> OY! I can appreciate the pain you're in; when they discoverd my prostate cancer they thought from the symptoms I was describing that it was a kidney stone! LOL.
Hope they gave ya a great painkiller!
But I don't think they want you to mix anything in with that juice!

80 jorline  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:34:27am

OT

Egypt cancels New Year's Eve over Gaza 'massacres'

Egypt has cancelled official New Year's Eve events in solidarity with the suffering of the Palestinians being "massacred" in Gaza, the state-owned Al-Ahram daily reported on Wednesday.

"In solidarity with the painful events in the Palestinian territories and the massacres which Gazans are faced with ... the ministries of culture and information have decided to cancel New Year's festivities," the paper said.

The Egyptians can always creep up to the border and watch the fireworks from Gaza.

81 VegasRick  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:34:32am

re: #72 goddessoftheclassroom

Happy New Year's Eve, Lizards!

And you too!

82 Golem Akbar  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:34:36am

Dennis Prager, on his radio show this morning (here in L.A.) gives kudos to LGF for it's honest reporting of the Gaza news.

83 redstateredneck  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:35:33am

re: #82 Golem Akbar

Dennis Prager, on his radio show this morning (here in L.A.) gives kudos to LGF for it's honest reporting of the Gaza news.

Hasn't Charles been a guest on Prager's show?

84 maddogg  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:36:03am

The LA Times exemplefies what I think about liberals. You can't be judgemental, so there is no right and wrong, therefore there can be no Evil, as either a verb or a noun. This alone makes liberals evil in my mind.

85 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:36:46am

re: #80 jorline
Well if Egypt really wants to show it's solidarity, they could always, ya know, open the CLOSED BORDER CROSSINGS they have with Gaza.
Lying mofos.

86 jcm  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:36:47am

re: #32 realwest

Hey jcm - received and replied to your e-mail! Thank you!

Reply sent.

87 Golem Akbar  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:37:10am

re: #83 redstateredneck

Hasn't Charles been a guest on Prager's show?

Yes, a few times.

88 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:37:32am

re: #71 Tarkus289

For proper justice, I would love to see a 4 year old girl shove a Barbie doll
down this pig's throat.

This one?

89 Russkilitlover  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:37:34am

re: #80 jorline

OT

Egypt cancels New Year's Eve over Gaza 'massacres'

The Egyptians can always creep up to the border and watch the fireworks from Gaza.

Interesting that they won't let them in the door in Egypt. But now they moan and wail about the suffering of the Palis. Gah!

90 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:37:42am

Someday Soon

Recent military events tell us that the days of Stalingrad style urban warfare are over. Modern military western small unit combat methods with troops trained in house to house fighting have removed much of the the advantage of the untrained entrenched fighter. There is still plenty of death and someone's son will be the first through a deadly door to die. But the key to remember is Second Fallujah, the Marines lined up, went in and the Jihadis got crushed. Yes Hamas has placed rockets, mines and EFPs to create deathtraps but these will only slow down the offensive, not stop it. Without strategic depth, supporting ar or artillery, the ground operation of Cast Lead will end only one way: complete defeat for Hamas. I may have to never say a bad thing about Hosni Mubarak after the way he stuck a knife in Hamas' back and cut the border and political support; with the only avenue of air cut, Jihadis and ammo are not getting in and one of the first rules of modern warfare is today's weapons use a lot of ammo. The second rule is when you run out of ammo, bend over and kiss your butt goodbye. Hamas seems to have restablished some semblance of command and control over their units or at least the survivors have reverted to earlier orders. Once the invasion hits, units will be quickly decimated and destroyed. In modern house to house fighting, units use bypass and flow tactics to isolate and surrround enemy hard points, hit them from unexpected directions and even blast holes from home to home to avoid snipers firing down the streets. With precise real-time overhead tactical views and specialized urban combat systems, the biggest threat to Israeli troops are hidden hard points and tunnels. These provide Hamas terrorists the ability to move unseen and attack, delay and tie down troops. Unfortunately for the terrorists, Israel's Military Intelligence and Mossad (with help from Fatah, sweet irony that) have developed a lot of knowledge of where those tunnels and hard point are and have specific plans for how to take them out. Tunnels are no fun to fight in but once the army has the entrance, there are specific tactics for cleaning them out and prevent them from being used against you again.

The key to remember is this thing is only going one way. It will be a tough hard slog but Israel's army has really trained up from where they were in 2006 and while Hamas is much better armed and trained, they do not have the means to win.

Lastly, Israel's Army commander is a hard assed ground pounder who knows his stuff. Everything we have seen so far indicates he is a capable ferocious general who takes no half measures when it comes to taking out the enemy. His rules of engagement seem to indicate he has been ordered to annihilate Hamas in preparation for new management for Gaza; it is clear he demanded any war end in victory and the politicos agreed. This is not a man you want to face. Especially when he has the 2nd most powerful airforce in the world and 25 modern well trained divisions at his disposal. He is the kind of guy who carries his rifle everywhere he goes because his soldiers are required to do so; Hamas should have taken my advice and ceased fire on Day 1, Maj. Gen. Gabi Ashkenazi is their worst nightmare.

Hezbollah and Syria better think long and hard before they throw so much as a stone over the northern border, he has plans for them too. Implicit in the Gaza war is Hamas' removal as a above ground political force, this is strategic regime change and it is my belief that Ashkenazi will insist that any war with Hezbollah or Syria end the same way. Their first mistake will be their last.

91 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:37:58am

re: #73 MandyManners

An assortment of little frames or a great, big shadow box?


let them look through the kidney stone catalog...


Youtube Video
92 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:38:23am

re: #62 buzzdroid

IAF hits a gaza mosque - Hamas was storing rockets in it

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

ROP my ass...

Isn't an armory considered an essential room in a mosque?
/slightly

93 Golem Akbar  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:38:46am

re: #84 maddogg

The LA Times exemplefies what I think about liberals. You can't be judgemental, so there is no right and wrong, therefore there can be no Evil, as either a verb or a noun. This alone makes liberals evil in my mind.


The Times goes beyond that. They often only report the negative about Israel. They have been very quiet about the missiles from Gaza into Israel, for example, giving it small reportage, buried in its back pages.

94 JacksonTn  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:38:54am

re: #80 jorline

OT

Egypt cancels New Year's Eve over Gaza 'massacres'

The Egyptians can always creep up to the border and watch the fireworks from Gaza.

LOL ...good one jorline ...

95 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:38:57am

re: #80 jorline

OT

Egypt cancels New Year's Eve over Gaza 'massacres'


The Egyptians can always creep up to the border and watch the fireworks from Gaza.

I saw a post this morning about Dubai cancelling their public celebrations, too.

96 Aye Pod  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:39:22am

re: #21 Wyatt Earp

Didn't those al Jazeera bastards play people celebrating the 9-11 attacks on a continuous loop?

Go frak FUCK yourself, Ashraf Khalil.


fixed

97 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:39:25am

re: #82 Golem Akbar
Yea! Course, Prager could give Charles/LGF credit for it's honest reporting - over the years - of the Israeli/Palestinian situation too.

98 avanti  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:39:42am

No question that the Arab press is more biased to the Arab side then the MSM. I read the Arab news myself to see if I can get in the head of the other side in the mid east, and it's scary how different they spin the news. Here's a link to a "moderate" Arab news site that will show that you don't want to see the hard line spin.

Arab News.

99 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:39:52am

re: #84 maddogg

The LA Times exemplefies what I think about liberals. You can't be judgemental, so there is no right and wrong, therefore there can be no Evil, as either a verb or a noun. This alone makes liberals evil in my mind.

Exactly.
Once I was discussing a book with my class, and a student said, "Well, we can't judge; it's up to each person what's right and wrong." The rest of the class began to nod in wise agreement but sat up suddenly when I said. "Oh, yes, we can judge, and yes, there is right and wrong. Justifying a wrong action doesn't make it right."

That was one of the best discussions ever.

100 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:40:07am

re: #78 realwest

A kidney stone> OY! I can appreciate the pain you're in; when they discovered my prostate cancer they thought from the symptoms I was describing that it was a kidney stone! LOL.
Hope they gave ya a great painkiller!
But I don't think they want you to mix anything in with that juice!

I got vicaden, or how ever the heck you spell it...:)

101 VegasRick  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:40:48am

re: #98 avanti

No question that the Arab press is more biased to the Arab side then the MSM. I read the Arab news myself to see if I can get in the head of the other side in the mid east, and it's scary how different they spin the news. Here's a link to a "moderate" Arab news site that will show that you don't want to see the hard line spin.

Arab News.

Think I'll pass.

102 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:41:11am

re: #91 Dustyvet

let them look through the kidney stone catalog...

Youtube Video

The snow-flake shaped one looks like a bitch to deal with.

103 pat  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:41:11am

re: #10 tfc3rid

Emirates pays for their propaganda.

104 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:41:48am

re: #66 LindaMarie

The sad fact is that the "Refugees" are helpless pawns being used by evil power seekers as a symbol of Zionist oppression.
Kinda' like Rainbow Coalition...

105 Golem Akbar  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:41:57am

re: #95 MandyManners

I saw a post this morning about Dubai cancelling their public celebrations, too.


And in Israel, they aren't celebrating New Year's either. /And who is this Sylvester character, anywho?

106 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:42:13am

re: #99 goddessoftheclassroom

Exactly.
Once I was discussing a book with my class, and a student said, "Well, we can't judge; it's up to each person what's right and wrong." The rest of the class began to nod in wise agreement but sat up suddenly when I said. "Oh, yes, we can judge, and yes, there is right and wrong. Justifying a wrong action doesn't make it right."

That was one of the best discussions ever.

Where did she/he learn such nonsense? Parents? Peers? MFM?

107 SpiritOf1683  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:42:19am

The slow burn suicide of the West

I'm not sure if I sound unduly pessimistic, but what I am currently reading on various message boards and watching and listening to on TV in the West is starting to convince me of one thing - we are seeing the last rites of Western civilization as we know it being played out before our very eyes. If a Western Roman Empire citizen who died in say 420 AD could come back to life, he would see so many parallels between the present day West, and the Rome he last saw on his deathbed. In his last moments he knew the barbarians were breaching the walls of the Empire, and that the Empire was a shadow of its former self, and no longer producing the calibre of men needed to reverse the dire situation it found itself in, whilst the barbarians, though far less technically advanced - had the drive, determination, cunning and fighting spirit to destroy Rome within a few short decades. Troops had already been withdrawn from Britain to prop up the borders of the Western Empire ten years before his death. Sound familiar today? You bet it does. We are letting down our Israeli allies and encouraging the Islamobarbarians through the self-hating do-nothing beliefs of our press and media, the dysfunctional and highly destructive leftist-Islamist alliance, our stupid notion that it is racism and bigotry to believe in ourselves, and although the enemy we face is light years behind us technologically and militarily, we are giving ground to them in some way every day, and always seek to accommodate their sensibilities at the expense of our own.

There's no determination or political will to survive here in the West. We're always looking for the quick and easy way out at what we think is minimal cost to ourselves and our mortal enemies, and failing to realise that no such way out exists without our own self worth being corroded and the foundations of the West being undermined. We cannot summon up the will to destroy them, and stupidly refuse to get it into our heads that their core texts summon them to destroy and enslave us. We pretend it’s just a 'tiny minority' who want to do this to us, whilst refusing to take heed of the vast levels of support the Islamobarbarians enjoy in the Islamic world, the things they actually say about us and will do to us if they're given the chance. The Winston Churchill’s we used to produce are nowadays discredited and but a distant memory. Political correctness and moral relativism dictate how we live today and how we handle our enemies and have drained us of our moral fibre. Worse still, a large section of the population are on a guilt trip over perceived 'past sins' and think we deserve what is coming our way and have accepted it as a given. This is a recipe for cultural suicide. Sooner or later, perhaps in the next 100 years or so, we will have handed ourselves, and more importantly our descendants - created out of our own flesh and blood - over to these barbarians, and not only that, we will have become the first civilization in the 6,000 years history of human civilization to do so to those who, on paper, were weaker than us, and could have destroyed many times over, were it not for those stupid Western liberals and leftists who openly sided with them. I'm afraid our ancestors aren't looking down too kindly upon us, and must now be incandescent with rage at the thought that they sacrificed so much in two World Wars and outside the walls of Vienna, only for us to throw it all away, and all because we lacked their courage, conviction and determination to stay the course.

108 Joo-LiZ  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:42:19am

CNN had a CAIR talking head... and I was actually incredibly surprised.

The anchor didn't quite know what he was talking about... but he clearly knew the CAIR guy was spewing falsehoods, he tried to change to topic of conversation from Israeli atrocity to what the Pals could do.

CAIR guy: "Israel is an evil occupying force... can you imagine that in today's day and age, a military power is blockading the Gaza Ghetto and forcing little children to starve?"

CNN Anchor: "but... but... excuse me sir, but I heard reports today saying that the Arab League had made a statement claiming that the Palestinian political division is to blame for all this. Let me phrase a question... what kind of solution can come from the Palestinian side themselves? ... will this aspect be brought up at the protests nation wide?"

It's not much, but it's definitely much more than I ever expected from CNN.

109 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:42:34am

re: #95 MandyManners

I saw a post this morning about Dubai cancelling their public celebrations, too.

They can all come over to my place for BBQ Pork, and a great movie...The Muppets "Pigs In Space"...;)

110 alegrias  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:42:42am

OT, for anyone who still thinks Basque terrorists are different, [separatist]freedom fighters:

Bomb Blast Targets TV Station in Groovy Gehry's Bilbao

A car bomb has exploded near the offices of a Basque television station in Bilbao in northern Spain.

The blast happened minutes after the building had been evacuated, following a warning call in the name of the Basque separatist group Eta.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

111 DeafDog  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:43:17am

re: #82 Golem Akbar

Dennis Prager, on his radio show this morning (here in L.A.) gives kudos to LGF for it's honest reporting of the Gaza news.

Is Prager a Lizard?

112 quickjustice  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:43:47am

re: #41 IslandLibertarian

The UN "Refugee" camps exist for two reasons, and two reasons, only:

1. The Arab countries surrounding Israel (especially Jordan) refuse to permit the "refugees" to immigrate and become citizens, normalizing their lives;

2. The "refugees" instead become cannon fodder, both political and actual, for the surrounding Arab countries who wish Israel ill.

113 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:43:55am

re: #105 Golem Akbar

And in Israel, they aren't celebrating New Year's either. /And who is this Sylvester character, anywho?

The cat?!

114 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:43:57am

re: #62 buzzdroid

IAF hits a gaza mosque - Hamas was storing rockets in it

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

ROP my ass...

Of course the Palestinians blame Israel that the family next door was killed...
'I didn't see any of my girls, just a pile of bricks'

An Israeli bomb struck the refugee camp's Imad Aqil mosque around midnight, destroying the building and collapsing several shops and a pharmacy nearby. The force of the blast was so massive it also brought down the Balousha family's house, which yesterday lay in ruins. The seven eldest girls were asleep together on mattresses in one bedroom and they bore the brunt of the explosion. Five were killed where they lay: Tahrir, 17, Ikram 15, Samer, 13, Dina, eight and Jawahar, four.

They were the latest in a growing number of civilian casualties in Israel's bombing campaign.

115 Golem Akbar  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:44:01am

re: #111 DeafDog

Is Prager a Lizard?


As they say in Latin: Biggus Timus.

116 Golem Akbar  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:44:34am

re: #113 MandyManners

The cat?!


Must be...
Sthuffering Sthuccotash.

117 Westward Ho  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:44:53am

re: #90 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Will the IDF be bringing in the Fatah thugs who must be salivating at the thought of settling scores? Who will be administering the terrority after the Ground assault ends?

118 maddogg  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:45:34am

re: #107 SpiritOf1683

Morgoth does not yet hold sway...

119 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:45:35am

re: #112 quickjustice

There's a third reason - UNRWA is a bureaucracy uninterested in resolving the refugee status, but rather exists to perpetuate it.

They continue to classify refugee camps in Gaza as such even though Gaza has been under Palestinian civil administrative control since the Oslo Accords in 1993 and Israel has wholly withdrawn from Gaza since 2005. It's Jew free. Yet, the refugee camps persist.

Gazans and Hamas have no interest in seeing the camps gone either. To them, it's a terrorist incubator.

120 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:45:40am

re: #109 Dustyvet

They can all come over to my place for BBQ Pork, and a great movie...The Muppets "Pigs In Space"...;)

It's mainly affecting all the ex-pats.

121 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:45:54am
122 jamgarr  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:45:55am

To All Lizardia:
Have a safe and happy new year!

123 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:45:56am

ROFLMAO...Lizard Love...:)


Image: LizardsBedBARCROFT_450x539.jpg

124 albusteve  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:45:57am

re: #90 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

it can be done and I hope it is...the IDF must de-weaponize the entire strip imo...
zero weapons, zero ammo, zero Hamas... utterly detroying Hamas sends stern message to Hezbollah and Iran...obviously...when will they ever get another opportunity?
excellent...thank you

125 pat  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:46:18am

re: #95 MandyManners

No one in Egypt celebrates the New Year now anyway. Aug 29 is Egyptian New Year. They are just spitting on Western tourists.

126 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:47:04am

alegrias- wahhabi corridor and i are talking about a NoVa meetup. Send me an email, please.

127 Aye Pod  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:48:36am

re: #91 Dustyvet

I had bladder stones a few years ago. They were orange glass-like shards, spike-shaped.

128 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:48:39am

re: #106 MandyManners

Where did she/he learn such nonsense? Parents? Peers? MFM?

My guess is parents and MSM. I live ina university town, so there is a minor infestation of moonbats.

My favorite question to ask a student is "why do you think that?" At first they're usually gobsmacked, but they do figure out how to support an argument as the year goes on. Better yest, if one of them spouts nonsense, the other kids jump on it with counter arguments so I don't have to.

I've always told my students that they can express any idea they want in my class as long as they don't mention other teachers' names and use "school appropriate" language AND they can back it up with facts.

129 DeafDog  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:48:40am

re: #115 Golem Akbar

As they say in Latin: Biggus Timus.

Really? He has a Lizard handle and everything? (So I may actually be disagreeing with someone whose opinion matters) Kewl

130 jorline  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:48:55am

re: #85 realwest

Well if Egypt really wants to show it's solidarity, they could always, ya know, open the CLOSED BORDER CROSSINGS they have with Gaza.
Lying mofos.

ding

131 albusteve  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:48:55am

re: #125 pat

No one in Egypt celebrates the New Year now anyway. Aug 29 is Egyptian New Year. They are just spitting on Western tourists.

well...just poop!

132 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:49:42am

re: #127 Jimmah

I had bladder stones a few years ago. They were orange glass-like shards, spike-shaped.

Oh geeze...:(

133 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:50:18am

re: #123 Dustyvet

ROFLMAO...Lizard Love...:)

[Link: img.metro.co.uk...]

Image: lizzards8BARCROFT_1000x664.jpg

134 hellosnackbar  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:50:19am

People who sympathize with and perpetrate murder(especially of a child) are
without doubt the vilest criminals.
"Kuntar",it's as though his parents knew in advance, how he would turn out.

135 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:50:35am

re: #129 DeafDog

Really? He has a Lizard handle and everything? (So I may actually be disagreeing with someone whose opinion matters) Kewl

Don't let a "personna" get in the way of disagreeing with a opinion.

/stand on your own two feet.

136 redstateredneck  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:50:39am

re: #132 Dustyvet

Oh geeze...:(


TMI?

137 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:50:55am

re: #86 jcm
Received and replied, thank you very much.

138 uncc_compman  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:51:10am

re: #62 buzzdroid

IAF hits a gaza mosque - Hamas was storing rockets in it

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

ROP my ass...

but but but, they were Peaceful Rockets, Hamas was just saying hello to Israel in their own way...

//

139 LindaMarie  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:51:53am

re: #90 Ayatollah Ghilmeini
Well written and concise. I hope and wish accurate.
If you do not mind saying, where is your skill and observation from?

140 opinionated  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:51:58am

Watch Al Jazeera, for when you're tired of the pale anti Israel imitators at CBS, NBC, ABC, and CNN, and FOX occasionally.

We do hating and lying about Israel right.

141 albusteve  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:52:27am

re: #130 jorline

ding

alot of us have been yelling this since last week...get Egypt into the game by force if no other way...another reason for a land incursion...push Hamas from the north little by little right up against the southern border...

142 jorline  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:52:40am

re: #95 MandyManners

I saw a post this morning about Dubai cancelling their public celebrations, too.

Here's the Dubai article.

143 Aye Pod  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:53:00am

re: #132 Dustyvet

Oh geeze...:(

I had to pass them - it was pretty sore. I have followed doctors advice and drank plenty of liquid every day since then - no recurrence after 15 years.

144 Dustyvet  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:53:14am

re: #138 uncc_compman

but but but, they were Peaceful Rockets, Hamas was just saying hello to Israel in their own way...

//


Was it the meeting place for the Gaza model rocket and RC club?


/sarcasm...

145 doppelganglander  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:53:55am

re: #107 SpiritOf1683

I really hate it that I know enough history to know your parallels are very apt. I think it's still possible to reverse course. Europeans seem to have given up completely, but despite the moonbats in America, I think enough of us are willing to fight.

146 BingoBunny  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:55:14am

Just heard that students at a Iranian college wrote a letter on their school blog that Pally in Gaza were terrorists for hiding among civilians to launch attacks on Israel.. the school computer was immediately taken down by Iranian officials.

/waiting for the Al Jazeera story, waiting waiting

147 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:55:20am

re: #114 Killgore Trout

I saw a video in which one of the surviving girls blamed Hamas.

148 quickjustice  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:56:04am

re: #107 SpiritOf1683

There are more than enough of us to win, despite the self-hatred, and hatred of country, of the left.

And win we shall.

149 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:56:31am

re: #135 pre-Boomer Marine brat

MWAH!

150 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:56:49am

re: #90 Ayatollah Ghilmeini
Yet another in a series of great comments! I would only caution you that -notwithstanding what you said - house to house fighting is BLOODY. And it doesn't take very sophisticated weaponry to make it so. Is Israel ready to accept a high body count?
And, btw, I'd like to wish you a very HAPPY, HEALTHY and PROSPEROUS New Year!

151 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:59:13am

re: #100 Dustyvet
Ah, vicodin - the good stuff! LOL! A word of advice my friend, take it on a full stomach.
I gather they think it will pass on it's own and don't want to pound it with ultrasound?

152 yma o hyd  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 9:59:20am

re: #90 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Wow - that is an analysis to make my heart sing on this last day of 2008!

Thank you, and prayers for Israel, its brave soldiers, their brave families, for the brave people in Israel, and especiallythat General Ashkenazi!

Oh, and Lizardesses, he is a dish!
Daniel Craig, eat your heart out!

153 LindaMarie  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:03:19am

re: #117 Westward Ho
Good question.

154 Aye Pod  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:03:40am

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

"There is a hadith, popular among jihadis, that goes as follows:

When your brothers were struck at the Battle of Uhuh, Allah placed their spirits in the insides of green birds, who go to the rivers of paradise, eat from its produce, and then alight upon candles of gold in the shadow of the Throne. When they realise the goodness of their drink and food, and the beauty of their rest, they say: “Would that our brothers knew what Allah has done with us, so that they too would devote themselves to jihad, and not abstain from battle”. “

After the execution of the Bali terrorist murderers, jihadis were pathetically excited at the appearance of two green birds:

SubhanAllah.. here are two green birds that were never seen before in that village, came after moments of the burrial of the three Indonessian brothers and started to fly around their tombs..

See how the people say Allahu Akbar and cry..

Yes, who would have thought it. Two green birds in an island paradise."

...

155 blangwort  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:05:05am

The LA Times has about as much future as the NY Times.

They tried Al Jazeera here in the US and nobody cared. Their "journalism" wasn't even interesting, unless you like outrage.

It would be different any of their opinions actually mattered. But they don't. If I wanted to hear an asshole, I'd fart.

156 yma o hyd  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:06:01am

re: #110 alegrias

OT, for anyone who still thinks Basque terrorists are different, [separatist]freedom fighters:

Bomb Blast Targets TV Station in Groovy Gehry's Bilbao

A car bomb has exploded near the offices of a Basque television station in Bilbao in northern Spain.

The blast happened minutes after the building had been evacuated, following a warning call in the name of the Basque separatist group Eta.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

So - why does Zapatero call for Israel to cease firing and fix a truce with the hamasthugs?
I mean - is he going to give the Basque separatists their own country? Is he telling his police force to leave them be?
He ought to - fair do's!

157 claspur  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:09:40am

Being just a lizard puptillian for little more than a week now, I can see what's kept me away from here for almost as long now...
just affeared of getting a rapid-ban for commenting what I might say about this scumbag.
Still need time to get all the bells and whistles down on this site also.

158 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:09:41am

re: #107 SpiritOf1683
Well I had to ding you down on that, if only for

There's no determination or political will to survive here in the West. We're always looking for the quick and easy way out at what we think is minimal cost to ourselves and our mortal enemies, and failing to realize that no such way out exists without our own self worth being corroded and the foundations of the West being undermined. We cannot summon up the will to destroy them, and stupidly refuse to get it into our heads that their core texts summon them to destroy and enslave us. We pretend it’s just a 'tiny minority' who want to do this to us, whilst refusing to take heed of the vast levels of support the Islamobarbarians enjoy in the Islamic world, the things they actually say about us and will do to us if they're given the chance


First there is political will here in the West; our wonderful Armed Forces have in fact been killing the enemy by the truckloads and the enemy, noted for it's cunning, if not it's brilliance, has allowed itself, time after time, to get suckered into a fight with our Armed Forces, WHO ALWAYS WIN those fights.
Additionally, I do not believe that the majority of Muslims want or at least are willing to die for, the goals of settin up the Caliphate - in fact I think it's quite the opposite.
We are now, today, in a weaker position than we should be (I'm speaking primarily of Europe here) but not such a weak position that we still can't prevail. And new leaders in France and Germany have signaled that the "old days" of yutes burning cars and the like are done with.
Israel should deliver a massive blow to the jihadists; note that when Ahmadinnerjacket called on all Muslims to support the Palestinians, the resulting answer was *crickets*.
I agree it's going to be a long hard fight, but I do believe we will prevail.

159 DEZes  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:10:48am

Like I needed another reason to loath moonbats, reading the comments under the LA Times article gave me at least half a dozen new reasons.

160 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:12:31am

re: #117 Westward Ho

For appearnace's sake they will come through Egypt

161 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:12:41am

re: #121 Iron Fist
Thanks Bro' - headed over to read it now!

162 Cato the Elder  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:13:08am

The "refugee camps" are still called that simply and solely because of UNRWA (United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East). As its name suggests (though not its acronym), UNRWA's only raison d'etre is to preserve the refugee status of those who otherwise could well have integrated long since into the societies in which they find themselves. This is particularly absurd when one looks at the "camps" in the West Bank and Gaza. These are Palestinians living in and surrounded by territory that is supposed to be part of a future Palestinian state. Why are they deemed "refugees"? The millions of ethnic Germans who were expelled after WWII from the East were quickly absorbed into society by the remaining German state (which lost about a third of its territory as a result of the two world wars). Their irredendist cries of "Schlesien bleibt unser!" (Silesia remains ours!) were loud at first, but except in the form of social clubs, they have no voice in German society anymore. And like the ethnic Germans, the vast majority of the Palestinian "refugees" were the victims of the lost war of aggression started by the Arab states immediately after the original partition of Palestine. In other words, their circumstances are not Israel's fault, but that of their so-called leaders.

So why are Palestinians still living in "refugee camps" 60 years after the fact? The answer is that they, with the essential and unwavering aid of UNRWA, are kept in that status as an open sore with which to accuse Israel. More than that, their existence is among the reasons that so many Palestinians will not accept the Jewish State's very existence. For, if there are "refugees", the implication is that they might someday return to the places they used to inhabit. Obviously that's never going to happen, so the resentment against Israel is artificially increased every day the "camps" persist.

There is no other group of "refugees" in the world whose children and grandchildren (in fact, all descendants through the male line) are deemed to also be "refugees" long after they were born in whatever place their parents came to. UNRWA maintains this fiction for transparently false reasons and harmful ends.

Here, by the way, is what UNRWA says about the Israeli operations in Gaza:

The Commissioner-General of UNRWA, Karen AbuZayd, expressed her horror to [sic] the extensive destruction visited upon Gaza Strip today and her deep sadness to [sic] the terrible loss in human life. UNRWA, the United Nation’s Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees, strongly urges the Israeli Government to heed calls for ceasing its bombardment on Gaza. Israel is a signatory to international conventions that protect non-combatants in times of conflict. These conventions are worthless if they are not upheld.

UNRWA has turned an entire people, able-bodied as well as those who truly need aid, into a multi-generational population of welfare dependents. Its existence is one of the greatest failures of the UN. It should be abolished.

But it'll just go on and on, and no end in sight.

Meh.

163 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:14:33am
164 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:16:23am

re: #139 LindaMarie

Well written and concise. I hope and wish accurate.
If you do not mind saying, where is your skill and observation from?


I have studied military history with particular focus on Israel for more than 35 years. In addition, I have studied with many Israeli officers over the years analyzing specific battlefields and modern Israeli military capabilities and units.

165 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:17:18am

re: #124 albusteve

you are spot on there may not be another chance for years.

166 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:18:57am

re: #150 realwest

The US took Fallujah with less than 120 dead. Gaza is much less prepared but with more Jihadis. Expect similar results.

167 buzzdroid  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:20:59am

re: #82 Golem Akbar

Dennis Prager, on his radio show this morning (here in L.A.) gives kudos to LGF for it's honest reporting of the Gaza news.

thats awesome. must get the podcast when its available...

168 yochanan  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:21:23am

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

got a nasty look from a pali yesterday would not surprise me if there are further attacks in America as well.

169 buzzdroid  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:29:07am

re: #90 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

wow.. some of the writing in the comments on here is getting seriously good.

thanks for that one Ghilmeini. definitely something to chew over...

170 buzzdroid  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:33:42am

unfortunate surname... as night follows day, i can already see the moonbat protest placards...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

171 jcm  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:35:02am

re: #166 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

The US took Fallujah with less than 120 dead. Gaza is much less prepared but with more Jihadis. Expect similar results.

120, that's a big number for the IDF.
Damn, too bad shit like this takes boots on the ground.

172 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:36:52am

re: #163 Iron Fist

First Happy New Year to you and the rest of my fellow lizards.

Fist, this war has a different feel so far than previous inconclusive fights. No question Israel has let golden opportunities slip away, that is the tragedy of 2006. Yes the international pressure will build the longer things go on. But remember right now artillery is raining on Beersheva and Ashkelon and that is a very huge bad thing in the mind of Israeli voters. This transformed Hamas from a mere nuisance affecting the lives of a few thousand people to exposing almost 400,000 plus to life in range of Hamas. This breaches a major psychological barrier in the minds of Israelis; it changes the acceptable goals in the situation from fire suppression and crisis management to regime change for Gaza. DM Barak and FM Livni are leaders of their respective parties and they know, know that they face complete loss of power if they don't nail Hamas hide to the shed. If they fail to see it through to the end, it is an unmitigated disaster of enormous proportions; I will go so far as to say Israel at the very least will change governments and then fight this war again real soon or Israel faces the end of her rope. Hamas changed the rules of the game expecting the old underlying no regime change rules to apply. They made the fundamental mistake unrepresentative regimes make of not understanding how real democracies respond.

The current PM is G-d's own military shithead but he too knows he is facing criminal charges and he faces a far better likelihood of avoiding prison if he is politically rehabilitated from his cosmic screw up of 2006. In addition, Livni, who he disparately needs to succeed him as PM (can you spell pardon) will not be PM unless she wins at the polls. These things only come from a complete victory. Lastly, there is uncertainty about the new US administration, the time to strike is now and and Israel's leaders know it. Ergo, this situation is different this time around.

Happy New Year again, bro, and I hope we share a special bottle again soon under a summer sky in the greatest nation man has every known.

173 hurricane_jimmy  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:43:43am

Samir is a dead ringer for Porky Pig. How about Samir celebrates his next birthday in hell.

a bdee bdee bdee ... That's all folks!

174 angrywhitedude  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:45:34am

Don't think for a minute that these dangerous maniacs are not in your town! When the word comes down, they will attack malls, gas stations, schools and it will be very ugly and will kill a lot of innocent Americans. If you don't have a concealed carry, please consider exercising your right to have one if you are willing and able.

I felt much better in the mall this Christmas season with my Glock on my side. We must be vigilant and prepared for terrorist savages.

AWD

175 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:54:02am

re: #169 buzzdroid

Its why Charles pays me the big bucks to comment!

jk

re: #171 jcm

Israel's Doctrine of Purity of Arms will see her take more casualties than in a US mission. So while probably the fight will be smaller than Fallujah, without just blasting the buildings down on the terrorists, Israel will lose more boys. We have debated Purity of Arms before, some here thinks its crazy for Israel to do but many, including me, believe when coupled with the doctrine of getting you back no matter what makes Israel's soldiers believe totally in the fight and gives them very high morale. Every Army is different and every country can decide what trade-offs to make and how to define who you are by how you fight.

In the end war is war and nothing changes the fact these kids are fighting for the existence of the Jewish people. In the end, in the hell of warfare, these boys will decide if a certain situation doesn't require the fullest application of Purity of Arms. What cannot be argued is they are fighting genocidal Hitler-loving scum, every single one of whom are brainwashed with the same mentality of the Nazis; history teaches us such people belong dead or in prison, they are beyond the pale of humanity and the only proven medicine for dealing with them is total defeat.

176 zeir  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:55:50am

re: #2 Pastorius

Thanks for always being a voice against anti-Semitism, Charles.


Also from me...

177 realwest  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 10:59:33am

re: #166 Ayatollah Ghilmeini Well we both know that it's really DIFFICULT to anticipate casualties - at least it was when I was an infantryman in Vietnam - but that was, iirc, 120 KIA; don't know about WIA or MIA - it seems to me that that's a pretty significant number for the IDF.
Nonetheless I hope and pray that you are correct; I hate to see ANY casualties on "our" side, but I think that your estimate, based upon Fallujah II, may be somewhat low.
And Lord knows I hope your estimate is high!
Again a Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year to you.

178 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:20:47am

re: #177 realwest

Happy New Year to you RW.

You are right, it is an estimate and war is the most unpredictable of human endeavors and for our side any is too many.

The sad thing is the butchers bill in 2006 would have been so much less.

179 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:29:32am
180 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:40:53am
181 iceman1960  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:55:15am

Every time I see this guys ugly mug I envision a red target laser right between his eyes.

182 angrywhitedude  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 12:08:11pm

Iceman, may I suggest two center mass and then one between the eyes?

Angry White Dude

183 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 12:19:43pm
184 zeir  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 12:35:23pm

Wow. Thank you ploome.

It's not even the Bay area.

"Get back in the ovens." Sort of proves the point, eh?

185 lostlakehiker  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 1:10:21pm

re: #90 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Someday Soon

Recent military events tell us that the days of Stalingrad style urban warfare are over. Modern military western small unit combat methods with troops trained in house to house fighting have removed much of the the advantage of the untrained entrenched fighter. (...)

Look at it from the Adam Smith perspective. The ill-trained, ill-equipped soldier is at a disadvantage in any fight, on any terrain. The fields of Scotland are poor farmground, and the Scottish farmer, competing with the French peasant, is at a disadvantage growing malt and barley, let alone grapes for wine. But he has a relative advantage when growing malt and barley. Likewise, the Hamas fighter has a relative advantage in tunnel ridden, thickly populated urban areas.

Cluster bombs, MOABS, and heavy artillery are off limits there, though they would be fair means in open warfare across the desert, and though through most of history, urban ground combat has been conducted with little regard for civilian casualties.

The Hamas war machine can hope to inflict some casualties and impose some expenditure of ammo and man-hours on Israel. Fighting from hospitals and mosques and family homes, they can force Israel to kill civilians and destroy sacrosanct buildings. Though the Geneva conventions give the green light to such collateral damage, the media do not. This means Hamas will score some points in the propaganda war.

Hamas cannot make any kind of fight at all out in the desert. Their best military use, to the extent cannon fodder is good for anything, is as city fighters.

186 Super-ego  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 1:49:21pm

re: #183 ploome hineni

...FOrt Lauderdale or little gaza


Amazing footage from American soil. Those supporters of Palestine drip hate. I don't ever see a peaceful resolution with that kind of angry influence towards another human.

'Once we see the beauty of Islam, we will have no choice, but to accept it. We will realize it's part of our nature.' -Imam

It's in America and it's homegrown.

Long live Israel! My prayers are with you.

187 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 1:56:40pm
188 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Dec 31, 2008 5:24:38pm

No doubt Al-Jazeera saw what a rock star Bill Ayers was turned into by the recent election. There's precedent for filth like this getting into the body politic.


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