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1 itellu3times  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:15:36pm

I don't know how to respond to that.

2 Tamron  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:15:57pm

RIBBIT

3 Killian Bundy  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:16:32pm
ERUDITION, n. Dust shaken out of a book into an empty skull.

/poetic license, doesn't really work that way

4 gmsc  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:17:52pm

For redc1c4, and anyone else who has been driven crazy by books and attitudes like that of Nickeled and Dimed:

5 BlueCanuck  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:18:16pm

Hmmm, sounds like some university students I used to know. Dust for brains, and not much use to anything else.

6 pat  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:18:18pm

And a new week commences. At the rate of Obamanations, it should be interesting.

7 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:18:44pm
8 pewboy  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:18:58pm

I'm #6! I'm #6! I'm #6!

9 gmsc  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:19:18pm

re: #8 pewboy

I'm #6! I'm #6! I'm #6!

Says the guy at #8.

10 Tamron  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:19:32pm

AIG PLANNING HUGE BONUSES AFTER $170 BILLION BAILOUT

WASHINGTON — The American International Group, which has received more than $170 billion in taxpayer bailout money from the Treasury and Federal Reserve, plans to pay about $165 million in bonuses by Sunday to executives in the same business unit that brought the company to the brink of collapse last year.

Word of the bonuses last week stirred such deep consternation inside the Obama administration that Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner told the firm they were unacceptable and demanded they be renegotiated, a senior administration official said. But the bonuses will go forward because lawyers said the firm was contractually obligated to pay them.

The payments to A.I.G.’s financial products unit are in addition to $121 million in previously scheduled bonuses for the company’s senior executives and 6,400 employees across the sprawling corporation.

Edward M. Liddy, the government-appointed chairman of A.I.G., argued that some bonuses were needed to keep the most skilled executives.


Unsubstantiated Scuttlebutt is, that Congress is so concerned over AIG's success partly because AIG insures the US Congressional Retirement Plan. Anyone know how to check this out?

11 pewboy  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:19:38pm

(wasn't talking about this thread)

12 MJ  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:19:50pm

Conservative, n: A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal who wishes to replace them with others.


Ambrose Bierce

13 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:20:41pm

re: #5 BlueCanuck

Hmmm, sounds like some university students I used to know. Dust for brains, and not much use to anything else.

Put me down and stop shaking me...:P

14 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:20:54pm
15 jcm  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:21:22pm

Overnight open thread, the signal for me to go to bed...

Night all.

16 pewboy  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:21:33pm

I knew someone would think that . . .
But I thought of that after pressing the "post" button.

17 gmsc  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:21:34pm

re: #15 jcm

Overnight open thread, the signal for me to go to bed...

Night all.

G'Nite, jcm!

18 Erik The Red  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:21:48pm

Good Morning/Afternoon/Evening Lizards.

19 Killian Bundy  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:23:01pm
20 redc1c4  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:23:22pm

speaking of empty minds:

Dear MoveOn member,
Think oil companies should pay their fair share of taxes? So does President Obama.

In his budget, the President has proposed cutting billions of dollars in unfair subsidies and tax loopholes for oil and gas companies, to help pay for critical priorities like clean energy and green jobs.1 After all, they don't exactly need the help: ExxonMobil made a record profit of $45.2 billion last year.2

But Big Oil is already fighting back. Like other corporate special interests, they're lobbying heavily to gut Obama's budget. The American Petroleum Institute has announced plans to fly top executives into Washington to help save their tax breaks.

And they've got a lot of friends on Capitol Hill, thanks to millions in campaign contributions over the years. So we've got to be louder than Big Oil, and remind our elected representatives that they work for us, not ExxonMobil. Click here to sign our petition:

link deleted

The petition reads: "Congress should stop the giveaways and tax loopholes for oil and gas companies—and invest in green jobs and clean energy instead."

President Obama has a bold vision for switching America to a clean-energy economy and putting millions of people back to work in good, green jobs.

His proposed budget is full of important provisions to make it happen: investing in wind and solar power, retrofitting buildings to make them more energy-efficient, and helping working families cope with rising energy costs.

To help pay for it, oil and gas companies need to start paying their fair share in taxes. For years, they've been receiving generous subsidies—and taking advantage of loopholes that let them avoid paying royalties from drilling on federal lands and in the Gulf of Mexico.

Unsurprisingly, the industries that make their profits from producing and burning oil, coal, and natural gas are spending millions of dollars working to undermine the president's plans for a clean-energy economy.

So we're organizing a massive grassroots campaign to get his back and take them on. Can you help out by signing our petition? Click here:

link deleted

Thanks for all you do.

–Adam, Justin, Michael, Ilyse and the rest of the team

Sources:

1. "Obama seeks repeal of industry tax breaks, subsidies," Greenwire, February 26, 2009. [Link: www.moveon.org...]

2. "Exxon 2008 profit: A record $45 billion," CNNMoney.com, January 30, 2009. [Link: www.moveon.org...]

3. "A backlash against Obama's budget," BusinessWeek, March 5, 2009. [Link: www.moveon.org...]

4. "Obama budget boosts green spending," CNNMoney.com, February 26, 2009. [Link: www.moveon.org...]

21 rawmuse  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:24:03pm

re: #12 MJ

Hey, is that a real Ambrose quote?
Never heard it before tonight.
Ambrose fan here, even if he was a total nut.

22 Gus  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:24:14pm

Academic

Definition

3. theoretical or hypothetical; not practical, realistic, or directly useful: an academic question; an academic discussion of a matter already decided.

4. learned or scholarly but lacking in worldliness, common sense, or practicality.

23 itellu3times  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:24:49pm

More Bierce:

CABBAGE, n. A familiar kitchen-garden vegetable about as large and wise as a man's head.

The cabbage is so called from Cabagius, a prince who on ascending the throne issued a decree appointing a High Council of Empire consisting of the members of his predecessor's Ministry and the cabbages in the royal garden. When any of his Majesty's measures of state policy miscarried conspicuously it was gravely announced that several members of the High Council had been beheaded, and his murmuring subjects were appeased.

/Obama, take note

24 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:25:26pm

re: #8 pewboy

I'm #6! I'm #6! I'm #6!

Six for Two! Six for Two!

25 MJ  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:25:28pm

re: #21 rawmuse

Hey, is that a real Ambrose quote?
Never heard it before tonight.
Ambrose fan here, even if he was a total nut.

Yup, it's a real one.
I'm a fan too.

26 Killian Bundy  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:25:36pm

re: #10 Tamron

AIG PLANNING HUGE BONUSES AFTER $170 BILLION BAILOUT

Unsubstantiated Scuttlebutt is, that Congress is so concerned over AIG's success partly because AIG insures the US Congressional Retirement Plan. Anyone know how to check this out?

/it's called contract law, pay up or get your ass sued off

27 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:26:55pm

re: #21 rawmuse

Hey, is that a real Ambrose quote?
Never heard it before tonight.
Ambrose fan here, even if he was a total nut.

My juniors read "An Occurrence At Owl Creek Bridge". Correction, my students were assigned to read "An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge".

28 Gus  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:27:18pm

Devils Dictionary?

29 gmsc  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:27:24pm

Ayn Rand Was Right: America Goes Fascist

Much has been written lately about whether America is becoming a socialist country. Socialism refers to the economic and social system in which everything is owned by the government.

Nobody has been writing about whether the United States has become a fascist system. Ayn Rand, author of "Atlas Shrugged" and "Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal" wrote the following about fascism, many decades ago:

"Under fascism, men retain the semblance or pretense of private property, but the government holds total power over its use and disposal." Also: "Under fascism, citizens retain the responsibilities of owning property, without freedom to act and without any of the advantages of ownership ... the government officials hold the economic, political and legal power of life or death over the citizens."

Isn't this what we're witnessing today? The government bails out AIG, Citibank and others. The government now owns as much as 80 percent of many of these companies. Yet the government leaves these companies free to "profit," to pay for executive bonuses, vacations and the like with federal tax dollars. These former capitalist companies are permitted to go on existing as before, only funded by government rather than private dollars. On the course set last fall by President Bush and now even more aggressively by President Obama and Congress, America is becoming a fascist country. It's fair to say this, because once banks and major financial institutions are owned by the government (yet are still nominally "private" and "for-profit"), you have embraced fascism, by Ayn Rand's definition.

People mistakenly equate the term "fascist" with racism and Hitler-like concentration camps. These are not the essence of fascism, although they are the byproduct of it. Why? Because fascism, no more than socialism, cannot possibly work as a rational economic system. It routinely denies individual rights and eliminates personal responsibility through the creation of a massive welfare state. As society falters under this fiscally and morally disastrous economic system, government takes over in other ways and ultimately restricts basic individual, human freedoms. It starts with the nationalization of banks and health care--and ends with speech, religion and who knows what else.

America, like pre-Nazi Germany, is forsaking economic liberty for what a majority apparently still believe will lead to greater welfare for all. Has anybody yet made the connection that it doesn't work this way? If you allow former private companies to still operate at a profit, using billions of taxpayer dollars, you get fraud and abuse. This sets the stage for the Barney Franks of the world to step in and essentially turn the whole thing socialist, leading to nothing less than permanent economic stagnation like the former Soviet Union.

Fascism holds an unhealthy appeal to a once capitalist, free country now in denial about the cause and nature of its woes. As a whole, the people of the U.S. do not want to collapse into communism or socialism. The pretense of private profit and ownership with government actually running the show seems appealing, at first, to those seeking a "third way." Yet as Ayn Rand warned, it's impossible. Fascism is no better than the evil of socialism.

30 itellu3times  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:27:44pm

re: #26 Killian Bundy

/it's called contract law, pay up or get your ass sued off

So declare the company bankrupt, at the hands of this very group. Sue them for damages, violating fiduciary duty, unfair enrichment, fraud, negligence, and sodomy.

31 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:28:16pm

re: #30 itellu3times

So declare the company bankrupt, at the hands of this very group. Sue them for damages, violating fiduciary duty, unfair enrichment, fraud, negligence, and sodomy.

Sodomy?...

32 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:28:40pm

re: #30 itellu3times

So declare the company bankrupt, at the hands of this very group. Sue them for damages, violating fiduciary duty, unfair enrichment, fraud, negligence, and sodomy.

A good lawyer will get the sodomy charge reduced to following too closely.

33 Erik The Red  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:28:42pm

Mary Clancy goes up to Father O'Grady after his Sunday morning
service, and she's in tears.

He says, "So what's bothering you, dear?"

She says, "Oh, Father, I've got terrible news. My husband passed away
last night."

The priest says, "Oh, Mary, that's terrible. Tell me, Mary, did he
have any last requests?"

She says, "That he did, Father..."

The priest says, "What did he ask, Mary?"

She says, "He said, 'Please, Mary, put down the Goddamn gun...'"

34 Neo Con since 9-11  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:29:35pm

Telegraph finally wakes up to the global warming climate change scam.
Nobody listens to the real climate change experts

Considering how the fear of global warming is inspiring the world's politicians to put forward the most costly and economically damaging package of measures ever imposed on mankind, it is obviously important that we can trust the basis on which all this is being proposed. Last week two international conferences addressed this issue and the contrast between them could not have been starker.

The first in Copenhagen, billed as "an emergency summit on climate change" and attracting acres of worldwide media coverage, was explicitly designed to stoke up the fear of global warming to an unprecedented pitch. As one of the organisers put it, "this is not a regular scientific conference: this is a deliberate attempt to influence policy".


Whole article

35 KingKenrod  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:29:44pm

re: #10 Tamron

AIG PLANNING HUGE BONUSES AFTER $170 BILLION BAILOUT


Unsubstantiated Scuttlebutt is, that Congress is so concerned over AIG's success partly because AIG insures the US Congressional Retirement Plan. Anyone know how to check this out?

What - AIG pays if the government defaults? There's a 0% chance the govt will fail to fund a retirement plan for its own employees. It doesn't make any sense.

36 itellu3times  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:29:52pm

re: #33 Erik The Red

Mary Clancy goes up to Father O'Grady after his Sunday morning
service, and she's in tears.

He says, "So what's bothering you, dear?"

She says, "Oh, Father, I've got terrible news. My husband passed away
last night."

The priest says, "Oh, Mary, that's terrible. Tell me, Mary, did he
have any last requests?"

She says, "That he did, Father..."

The priest says, "What did he ask, Mary?"

She says, "He said, 'Please, Mary, put down the Goddamn gun...'"

And she said, "Contract law, I had no choice."

37 Gus  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:29:57pm

POLITICS

A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage.

38 gmsc  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:30:22pm

re: #27 SanFranciscoZionist

My juniors read "An Occurrence At Owl Creek Bridge". Correction, my students were assigned to read "An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge".

Great story! Although I've only seen the movie (which was purchased by Rod Serling to use as the last episode of The Twilight Zone, as it was the only way to bring the last season in under budget).

Part 1:

Part 2:

Part 3:

39 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:30:37pm

re: #31 Dustyvet

Sodomy?...

Had to throw that one in the end, didn't you?

40 Gus  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:30:46pm

LIBERTY

One of Imagination's most precious possessions.

41 Erik The Red  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:31:15pm

If the global crisis continues at the present rate, by the end of this year only two banks will be left operational .... the Blood Bank and the Sperm Bank!

And before you know it, these two will merge, and the whole place will be full of bloody wankers.

42 Gus  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:31:25pm

MEDICINE

A stone flung down the Bowery to kill a dog in Broadway.

43 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:31:51pm

re: #32 SanFranciscoZionist

A good lawyer will get the sodomy charge reduced to following too closely.

LOL

I am embarrassedd to even tell the lizards this but my hubby has a small AIG IRA. I opened the statement and it is up over last year. I feel like a welfare recipient.

44 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:32:02pm

a taxidermist from connecticut decides to take a vacation to arkansas. after arriving, he decides to visit the local watering hole. as he enters the bar he notices all eyes are on him and there is an uncomfortable feeling in the air. the taxidermist approaches the bar and asks the bartender for a beer. after handing the beer to him the barkeep says, "don't think i've seen you around here before, where you from and what do you do?" the tsxidermist answers, "i'm from connecticut and i mount animals.""oh," the bartender says, "its ok boys, he's one of us!"

45 rawmuse  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:32:22pm

re: #27 SanFranciscoZionist

Living in San Francisco as we do, we are afforded rich literary pickings, so much so, i can scarcely keep up at times. But I do enjoy reading Mr. Bierce, Herman Wouk, Jack London, and Bret Harte, also Rob't Louis Stevenson. I have even hiked up to the place where Mr. S convalesced when he was ill, where he wrote "Silverado Squatters". There was snow up there in April.

46 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:32:53pm

re: #39 CyanSnowHawk

Had to throw that one in the end, didn't you?

Ask itellu3times it's his post...:)

47 Gus  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:32:55pm

LAWYER

One skilled in circumvention of the law.

48 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:32:56pm

re: #33 Erik The Red

Paddy comes in to the church on Sunday morning with a terrible black eye. "It looks as though you've been fighting again, Paddy," says Father McClanahan.

"I have, Father, but I didn't mean to at all."

"Well, what happened?"

"I was visiting over at the O'Reilly's, and Kathleen asked me to hold the baby while she made the dinner. So I had the wee child in my arms, when her husband got home. 'How are you doing, Paddy?' he says. 'I'm holding me own,' I says, and that's when the fight started..."

49 Tamron  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:33:27pm

re: #26 Killian Bundy

/it's called contract law, pay up or get your ass sued off


--Hmmph. Are you saying that we the citizens were going to get our asses sued off if we didn't foot the bailout giveaway?
.

50 Gus  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:33:49pm

JUSTICE

A commodity which is a more or less adulterated condition the State sells to the citizen as a reward for his allegiance, taxes and personal service.

51 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:34:16pm

re: #46 Dustyvet

Ask itellu3times it's his post...:)

I wanted a little separation from it, I just showered.

52 Neutral President  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:35:23pm

re: #4 gmsc

I really cant stand that Ehrenreich woman and the fact that high schools and colleges ram that book down students' throats is infuriating. They should require Scratch Beginnings as well if they are going to do that.

53 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:35:25pm

re: #51 CyanSnowHawk

LOL

54 UncleSam  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:35:31pm

re: #21 rawmuse

Hey, is that a real Ambrose quote?
Never heard it before tonight.
Ambrose fan here, even if he was a total nut.

He mysteriously disappeared in Mexico, as I recall.

55 itellu3times  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:35:54pm

re: #46 Dustyvet

Had to throw that one in the end, didn't you?

Ask itellu3times it's his post...:)

This is your missionary position, if you choose to accept it.

56 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:36:46pm

re: #55 itellu3times

This is your missionary position, if you choose to accept it.

Look out, that post will blow after you read it.

57 Gus  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:37:03pm

re: #45 rawmuse

You ever check out American Digest? The blog.

58 rawmuse  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:37:06pm

re: #54 UncleSam

He mysteriously disappeared in Mexico, as I recall.

Yes, during hostilities.

59 Killian Bundy  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:37:17pm

re: #30 itellu3times

So declare the company bankrupt, at the hands of this very group. Sue them for damages, violating fiduciary duty, unfair enrichment, fraud, negligence, and sodomy.

/AIG bankruptcy would be more internationally complicated and economically damaging than a GM bankruptcy and I'm all up for a GM bankruptcy and now GM doesn't seem to be opposed to it either

60 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:37:27pm

A LITTLE GUN HISTORY

I Thought you might appreciate this . . .

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun con trol.
From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend
themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to
1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded
up and exterminated.
------------------------------
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939
to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend
themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to
1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were
rounded up and exterminated
------------------------------
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964
to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were
rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------
Uganda established gun co ntrol in 1970. From 1971 to
1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up
and exterminated.
------------------------------
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975
to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were
rounded up and exterminated.
---- -------------------------
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the
20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.

61 gmsc  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:37:37pm

re: #52 ArchangelMichael

I really cant stand that Ehrenreich woman and the fact that high schools and colleges ram that book down students' throats is infuriating. They should require Scratch Beginnings as well if they are going to do that.

They'd never do that. It makes America look good, so that would be, uh, racist or something!

Who you going to believe? A sincere, caring woman, or some lying white male?

/////

62 redc1c4  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:37:47pm

re: #52 ArchangelMichael

I really cant stand that Ehrenreich woman and the fact that high schools and colleges ram that book down students' throats is infuriating. They should require Scratch Beginnings as well if they are going to do that.

that would inhibit the intended result

63 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:37:54pm

Damn. Past 11:30. Night lizards.

/Tucks head under wing.

64 rawmuse  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:37:57pm

re: #57 Gus 802

You ever check out American Digest? The blog.

No. Should I? Got a link?

65 itellu3times  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:38:07pm

re: #56 CyanSnowHawk

Look out, that post will blow after you read it.

If it does, the secretary of state will deny all knowledge, ... she's good at that.

66 itellu3times  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:39:20pm

re: #59 Killian Bundy

/AIG bankruptcy would be more internationally complicated and economically damaging than a GM bankruptcy and I'm all up for a GM bankruptcy and now GM doesn't seem to be opposed to it either

If they pay these bonuses, they will be burned at the stake. Saves a lot of litigation, right?

67 Tamron  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:40:28pm

POLITICAL CORRECTNESS:

A doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
.

68 Gus  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:40:41pm

re: #64 rawmuse

[Link: www.americandigest.org...]

It might be a little too off the wall for you. But he makes some interesting literary connections from time to time. I haven't been there for a while so perhaps it changed.

69 redc1c4  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:40:41pm

re: #65 itellu3times

If it does, the secretary of state will deny all knowledge, ... she's good at that.

as long as it isn't the SecState that's going to blow........

(even if she does suck. %-)

70 Killian Bundy  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:40:50pm

re: #49 Tamron

--Hmmph. Are you saying that we the citizens were going to get our asses sued off if we didn't foot the bailout giveaway?
.

/people who sell insurance don't get salary, they live on commissions and bonuses or they starve to death

71 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:40:56pm

How many guns do the US need to combat an enemy?

Two: one to shoot and one to sell him to shoot back.

72 gmsc  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:41:21pm

re: #67 Tamron

POLITICAL CORRECTNESS:

A doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
.

ACTIVIST:

Someone who is so dedicated to a cause that they devote much of their time to demanding that someone else solve the problem.

73 UncleSam  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:41:55pm

re: #45 rawmuse

Living in San Francisco as we do, we are afforded rich literary pickings, so much so, i can scarcely keep up at times. But I do enjoy reading Mr. Bierce, Herman Wouk, Jack London, and Bret Harte, also Rob't Louis Stevenson. I have even hiked up to the place where Mr. S convalesced when he was ill, where he wrote "Silverado Squatters". There was snow up there in April.

Have you been to Jack London State Historic Park, in The Valley of the Moon?
Beautiful.
[Link: www.parks.sonoma.net...]

74 Killian Bundy  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:42:28pm

re: #66 itellu3times

If they pay these bonuses, they will be burned at the stake. Saves a lot of litigation, right?

/have you ever sold insurance for a living?

75 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:42:29pm

re: #43 Pvt Bin Jammin

LOL

I am embarrassedd to even tell the lizards this but my hubby has a small AIG IRA. I opened the statement and it is up over last year. I feel like a welfare recipient.

The lizards love you, and would like to ask for a loan.

///

76 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:42:45pm

A tough old Montana cowboy once told his grandson that, if he wanted to live a long life, the secret was to sprinkle a little gunpowder on his oatmeal every morning.

The grandson did this religiously, and he lived to the age of 93. When he died he left 14 children, 28 grandchildren, 35 great-grandchildren ... and a 15-foot hole in the wall of the crematorium.

77 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:43:39pm

re: #69 redc1c4

Sec. of State? I still have a window open from the last thread, might as well post it.

Image: bill_and_hillary_clinton_1.jpg

78 gmsc  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:44:04pm
79 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:44:05pm

re: #21 rawmuse

Hey, is that a real Ambrose quote?
Never heard it before tonight.
Ambrose fan here, even if he was a total nut.

You can get what is likely the full skinny on "The Devil's Dictionary" here.

80 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:45:55pm

I have tomorrow off, and plan to use it to houseclean like a crazy woman.

Must sleep first.

Goodnight, lizards and company.

81 Tamron  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:46:04pm

re: #70 Killian Bundy

/people who sell insurance don't get salary, they live on commissions and bonuses or they starve to death


Then let them starve to death! I also work on commission, and nobody volunteered to keep ME out of the poor house.
.

82 Gus  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:46:44pm

re: #80 SanFranciscoZionist

Chau SFZ.

83 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:48:19pm

re: #80 SanFranciscoZionist

Sweet dreams.

84 itellu3times  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:49:53pm

re: #74 Killian Bundy

/have you ever sold insurance for a living?

Apparently this is exactly the financial products division, I guess the one that sold all the CDS. Does that count as insurance? When they had no reserves behind the policies? And they ended up getting called for benefits that bankrupted the entire company ten times over? And that deserves a bonus? I got their bonus right here.

/I've sold some stuff, not insurance, and hung with a lot of sales and marketing types, fwiw

85 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:51:07pm

re: #81 Tamron

Then let them starve to death! I also work on commission, and nobody volunteered to keep ME out of the poor house.
.

I'll volunteer to do it, and I'll do it right now:

STAY THE F*CK OUTTA MY HOUSE!
/////

86 gmsc  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:52:44pm

OK, you're a German company who is releasing a new microwave treat you can heat at home that is basically chicken bits with a tasty curry sauce. You want a name that will help make it an international sensation.

So what name do you choose?


Yep. It's a real product.

87 Gus  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:54:07pm

Did You Know?

Via American Digest via Flopping Aces.

88 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:54:07pm

re: #86 gmsc

Are you kidding?

89 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:54:53pm

re: #86 gmsc

Is that the Golden Gate Bridge in the background? What absurd, surreal packaging.

90 Gus  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:55:00pm

re: #86 gmsc

Serious?

91 gmsc  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:56:27pm

re: #88 Pvt Bin Jammin

Are you kidding?

Nope.

As I said, it's a real product. Here's more on it from Spiegel Online.

92 itellu3times  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:56:32pm

re: #70 Killian Bundy

/people who sell insurance don't get salary, they live on commissions and bonuses or they starve to death

Most everyone today does get salary if they are employees, and these bonuses are not commissions. It's an obscenity to be paying bonuses out of the public money, to employees of what must be the most bankrupt companies in history. If the execs of this company want to pay their employee bonuses out of their past ten years' earnings, that might be fair. If the employees don't get their bonuses, it's no skin off my teeth, it's that many more indictments of the management.

This whole issue should be crystal clear to anyone with any grasp of the facts, or a modicum of common sense. Of course, those are mostly lacking in the talking heads that were on the news shows this morning.

93 Gus  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:56:40pm

Tender, Juicy Obama Fingers Hit the Shelves
By Charles Hawley

A German frozen food company hopes to raise sales with a new product: Obama fingers. The tender, fried chicken bits come with a tasty curry sauce. The company says it was unaware of the possible racist overtones of the product.

Selling products has, of course, become a bit more difficult than usual these days. No wonder then that companies everywhere are turning to optimistic marketing messages in an effort to counteract the steady drum beat of negativity coming from front page headlines around the globe.

94 capitalist piglet  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:56:43pm

re: #86 gmsc

OK, you're a German company who is releasing a new microwave treat you can heat at home that is basically chicken bits with a tasty curry sauce. You want a name that will help make it an international sensation.

So what name do you choose?


Yep. It's a real product.

Oh man. Somebody get the hook already.

95 Gus  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:56:57pm

re: #91 gmsc

Hat tip! ;)

96 Killian Bundy  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:57:17pm

re: #81 Tamron

Then let them starve to death! I also work on commission, and nobody volunteered to keep ME out of the poor house.
.

Okay, so if someone comes along and says hey, you're going to work for free now and it's retroactive for any bonuses you've already earned.

/how long will you work there?

97 gmsc  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:57:46pm

re: #89 Slumbering Behemoth

Is that the Golden Gate Bridge in the background? What absurd, surreal packaging.

re: #90 Gus 802

Serious?

Yep. See #91 gmsc.

Apparently, quick and fast American food is popular in Europe right now, so packaging with American symbols and American names sell well.

98 capitalist piglet  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:58:37pm

re: #93 Gus 802

Oh geez, I didn't even think about the fried chicken thing. Someone already accused them of racism?

99 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:58:44pm
100 Gus  Sun, Mar 15, 2009 11:59:48pm

re: #98 capitalist piglet

You must have been reading my mind because I was thinking about that connection. This is rather, strange.

101 itellu3times  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:00:00am

re: #96 Killian Bundy

Okay, so if someone comes along and says hey, you're going to work for free now and it's retroactive for any bonuses you've already earned.

/how long will you work there?

Show me a bonus contract that pays off if the company loses money.

102 Neutral President  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:00:31am

re: #86 gmsc

OK, you're a German company who is releasing a new microwave treat you can heat at home that is basically chicken bits with a tasty curry sauce. You want a name that will help make it an international sensation.

So what name do you choose?

Yep. It's a real product.

Roasted with Curry Dip? Is curry dip a common condiment in Europe or are they lumping everyone on the darkish side, skin tone wise, altogether?

103 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:02:38am
104 Gus  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:04:28am

re: #102 ArchangelMichael

Usually I would associate curry with the UK. Not Spain, France, or Germany. I'm still trying to put together an association between Obama and chicken fingers. It's a bit like selling Nixon Fingers, or Clinton Cereal. Are Europeans that stupid?

105 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:04:51am

re: #103 buzzsawmonkey

I was kind of thinking that way too.

106 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:06:23am

re: #84 itellu3times

Apparently this is exactly the financial products division, I guess the one that sold all the CDS. Does that count as insurance? When they had no reserves behind the policies? And they ended up getting called for benefits that bankrupted the entire company ten times over? And that deserves a bonus? I got their bonus right here.

/I've sold some stuff, not insurance, and hung with a lot of sales and marketing types, fwiw

Yeah credit default swaps is unregulated insurance and it's now a huge problem. They deserve the bonus because they earned it under contract. If they did something illegal, they should go to jail. Bad bets on a grand scale.

/fire them if AIG can function without them, but abrogating existing contracts will only make it worse and yes, AIG is the poster child for "too big to fail", we'd all feel the repercussions in the shorts on a global scale

107 capitalist piglet  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:07:26am

re: #104 Gus 802

Usually I would associate curry with the UK. Not Spain, France, or Germany. I'm still trying to put together an association between Obama and chicken fingers. It's a bit like selling Nixon Fingers, or Clinton Cereal. Are Europeans that stupid?

I associate it with Indian cooking.

I don't want to know what's in Clinton Cereal. Nope. Don't even tell me.

108 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:08:27am
109 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:08:53am

re: #101 itellu3times

Show me a bonus contract that pays off if the company loses money.

/it's based on personal sales levels, not overall company performance

110 Neutral President  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:09:24am

re: #104 Gus 802

Are Europeans that stupid?

The jury is still out on this but I'm leaning toward ridiculously self-deluded and ignorant.

111 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:10:39am

re: #107 capitalist piglet

I associate it with Indian cooking.

I don't want to know what's in Clinton Cereal. Nope. Don't even tell me.

You think that's bad?

Do you remember the game "Operation"? Can you imagine a worse cross promotion than Operation Cereal?

112 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:11:21am

re: #109 Killian Bundy

Isn't the government running AIG now?

113 Gus  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:11:26am

re: #110 ArchangelMichael

The jury is still out on this but I'm leaning toward ridiculously self-deluded and ignorant.

Yes. My thinking is that it is opposite of the stereotype. They're not all a bunch of "virtuoso violinists" that speak 5 languages. They are in fact buying into the Obama marketing machine.

114 capitalist piglet  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:12:09am

re: #108 buzzsawmonkey

May I offer you a nice, steaming bowl of Lewinsky Bits?

Now you're just being mean. I'll have you know I am prone to nightmares, Mr. Monkey.

115 Neutral President  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:12:10am

re: #104 Gus 802

I've always had Curry in Indian, Thai, and even Japanese dishes. That's why I was wondering if they are so out of touch that they think alle Leute mit braunhaut mußt Curry essen.

116 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:13:07am

re: #112 Pvt Bin Jammin

Isn't the government running AIG now?

Yes they are, for all intents and purposes.

/and they inherited all the existing employee contracts

117 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:13:23am

re: #113 Gus 802

Yes. My thinking is that it is opposite of the stereotype. They're not all a bunch of "virtuoso violinists" that speak 5 languages. They are in fact buying into the Obama marketing machine.

Wait – so, when I pack for France, I shouldn't necessarily pack my striped shirt, beret, and grocery bag with French bread sticking out of it?

118 capitalist piglet  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:13:31am

re: #111 gmsc

You think that's bad?

Do you remember the game "Operation"? Can you imagine a worse cross promotion than Operation Cereal?

You just kind of have your finger on the pulse of all the weird stuff tonight, don'tcha? LOL

119 Gus  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:13:43am

re: #115 ArchangelMichael

Yep, Indian and Thai here. Come to think of it the sauce on that box doesn't look like curry. Looks like a BBQ sauce.

120 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:14:20am
121 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:14:33am

re: #118 capitalist piglet

You just kind of have your finger on the pulse of all the weird stuff tonight, don'tcha? LOL

Yes, somehow the geeky guy who lives in Vegas manages to find weird stuff.

(I happened to see Operation Cereal when grocery shopping today.)

122 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:14:54am

re: #116 Killian Bundy

Even deeper pockets. I get it but it isn't easy to swallow.

123 Gus  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:15:09am

re: #117 gmsc

Nope, just bring a case of "Obama Fingers" packed in dry ice!

124 capitalist piglet  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:16:54am

re: #123 Gus 802

Nope, just bring a case of "Obama Fingers" packed in dry ice!

That's a recipe for "Hit of the Party" if I've ever heard one.

125 Gus  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:17:06am

Oval office.
President alone.
Lewinsky walked in.
Hold all calls.
Myanmar Shave.

126 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:17:45am

Also, last time I checked, the AIG bailout was something like $176 billion.

/$110 million in contractual bonuses doesn't seem to be the real problem in this equation, like corporate jets, it's a red herring

127 Gus  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:19:13am

re: #124 capitalist piglet

A party of one. Where substance follows image.

128 wiffersnapper  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:19:43am

skulls full o' mush

129 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:20:40am

re: #128 wiffersnapper

skulls full o' mush

130 Gus  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:22:23am

re: #129 gmsc

That was painful.

131 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:22:36am

The most recent comment on this thread said "3 weeks 6 days ago" before I went to the comment string.

132 BlueCanuck  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:22:46am

re: #121 gmsc

Yes, somehow the geeky guy who lives in Vegas manages to find weird stuff.

(I happened to see Operation Cereal when grocery shopping today.)

Well how about this? Ever hear of Smutto?

133 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:23:44am

Yep, it still says "3 weeks, 6 days ago."

LOL

134 Clemente  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:24:19am

Interesting. I have evidence that tonight's posts were, in fact, all made three weeks and six days ago!

135 Neutral President  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:24:38am

re: #113 Gus 802

Yes. My thinking is that it is opposite of the stereotype. They're not all a bunch of "virtuoso violinists" that speak 5 languages. They are in fact buying into the Obama marketing machine.

I'm almost positive that multi-lingual crap is a lefty urban legend or at least highly exaggerated. I know in Germany and possibly France, they require high school students to learn English, but I seriously doubt they are generally fluent in it unless they are exposed on a regular basis. I expect than anyone you would run into as a tourist probably can speak enough English so that you don't require an interpreter, but it would probably still be a good idea. You don't want the waiter to serve you TV dinners and dishwater after making lude comments about your teenage daughter.

My German teacher from high school immigrated with her husband to the US in 1979 because he was offered a high paying aerospace job here. She could barely speak English at the time (and told us many humorous stories about when she was learning it), and 10 years later when I started taking her class she was fluent but had a heavy accent still. She also could not speak French, despite originally living in Baden-Würtemberg, near the French border.

Everyone I know that lives in England only knows English.

136 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:25:42am

Man we're stuck in the past here.

137 Clemente  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:26:15am

re: #134 Clemente

138 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:26:42am

re: #93 Gus 802

I think they meant to use the word "opportunistic", rather than "optimistic" in that article. If not, they should have.

/certainly would have made it more "accuristic"...

139 Clemente  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:27:48am

Not only am I a bit slower than Ojoe, I'm apparently talking to myself...

140 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:27:58am

re: #132 BlueCanuck

Well how about this? Ever hear of Smutto?


[Video]

I think I'll pass, although it sounds better than Spermies (no salt added!).

141 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:28:27am

re: #136 Ojoe

Man we're stuck in the past here.

142 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:28:28am

Whew! What an afternoon and evening of baseball! I'm not sure if it's because the Celtics and Bruins look like they're going to tank after such a dominating 1st half or just because I miss baseball, but I hardly changed the channel on the World Baseball Classic today....

Coverage started out with a rematch of the '06 Championship matchup- Japan vs. Cuba.....which again went to the Japanese and again with a stron outing by Daisuke Matsuzaka....

Then I caught the USA/Holland matchup. I'm a little sorry to see the Dutch go, since they were the darlings of the tournament after beating the Dominicans twice in the preliminaries to advance. Having said that, it was an elimination game and better them than us....

And after dinner, I tuned in to catch most of the Korea/Mexico game on TV. I don't think I've heard of any of these guys on the Korean team, but I imagine their performance tonight has caught the attention of MLB International scouting....

As some of you have probably gathered; I miss baseball.

143 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:29:03am

re: #139 Clemente

Not only am I a bit slower than Ojoe, I'm apparently talking to myself...

...and yet, you're losing the argument!
;)

144 redc1c4  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:29:12am

re: #135 ArchangelMichael

I'm almost positive that multi-lingual crap is a lefty urban legend or at least highly exaggerated. I know in Germany and possibly France, they require high school students to learn English, but I seriously doubt they are generally fluent in it unless they are exposed on a regular basis. I expect than anyone you would run into as a tourist probably can speak enough English so that you don't require an interpreter, but it would probably still be a good idea. You don't want the waiter to serve you TV dinners and dishwater after making lude comments about your teenage daughter.

My German teacher from high school immigrated with her husband to the US in 1979 because he was offered a high paying aerospace job here. She could barely speak English at the time (and told us many humorous stories about when she was learning it), and 10 years later when I started taking her class she was fluent but had a heavy accent still. She also could not speak French, despite originally living in Baden-Würtemberg, near the French border.

Everyone I know that lives in England only knows English.

if i wanted to learn another language, i'd move to another country......

like Texas, for instance. %-)

145 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:30:02am

re: #141 Pvt Bin Jammin

Really fine, that!

146 capitalist piglet  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:31:42am

re: #137 Clemente

I had to upding you for that one.

147 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:31:55am

Now it is fixed. Too bad.

148 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:32:07am

Hell, AIG is trading at .50.

/the reason AIG can't be allowed to fail is that half the world is counterparty to transactions they've written

149 Gus  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:33:15am

re: #135 ArchangelMichael

It's pretty much a myth as you state. Europeans are highly parochial and historically have stuck within their own nationalities and particular congregations. The stereotype promoted by Americans in large part has been spread in large part by academics, musical and art aficionados, and the standard liberal, in that: if it's European, it's better. This was expanded from coffee, foods, wines and music into the citizens of Europe. Thus a BMW was better so ergo: Europeans are better. It's more or less a logical leap that they make from point a, products, to point b, the people.

Something like that.

150 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:34:14am

re: #147 Ojoe

Guess Charles is awake after all. I don't envy him, keeping everything going, dealing with the weirods, etc.

Thanks, Charles.

151 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:34:45am

re: #149 Gus 802

Right. Europeans are better, who were stupid enough to ignite two world wars in one century.

152 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:35:39am

re: #150 Pvt Bin Jammin

It was some sort of window of opportunity, but I can't figure out for what.

LOL

153 redc1c4  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:36:21am

re: #151 Ojoe

Right. Europeans are better, who were stupid enough to ignite two world wars in one century.

that's because all the smart europeans immigrated here......

154 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:36:48am

re: #141 Pvt Bin Jammin

[Video]

If you like Twilight Zone, have you ever seen "The Scary Door"?

"As per your request, please find enclosed...the last man on Earth..."

155 redc1c4  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:36:49am

re: #152 Ojoe

It was some sort of window of opportunity, but I can't figure out for what.

LOL

back to the future?

156 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:38:11am

Be back in 3 weeks and 6 days ...

157 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:38:42am

re: #152 Ojoe

LOL I remember one night when Charles shut a thread down but those of us who were on it kept posting. We had a lot of fun speculating.

158 Gus  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:38:45am

re: #151 Ojoe

I know. I was thinking about that while typing but wanted to be brief. WWI and WWII. Not counting the conquests of Britain, and France. Millions killed in European wars some of which took place within generations of our very own. Yet, we only get the constant drone of the error of America's ways from the left (Europe, American Leftists, and Islamacists).

159 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:38:50am

re: #102 ArchangelMichael

Roasted with Curry Dip? Is curry dip a common condiment in Europe or are they lumping everyone on the darkish side, skin tone wise, altogether?

Not sure about Germany, but I know in the Netherlands that ketchup/catsup is almost universally flavored with curry. It's a cultural thing there, in everything from Burger King ketchup packets, to the Heinz 57 at the grocer, to the table ketchup you find at a greasy burger joint.

It's pretty good, actually. I like curry as a ketchup additive much more than sugar/corn syrup, but that's just me.

160 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:40:07am

re: #155 redc1c4

back to the future?

/pretty sure you'll like this

161 Neutral President  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:40:57am

re: #159 Slumbering Behemoth

Not sure about Germany, but I know in the Netherlands that ketchup/catsup is almost universally flavored with curry. It's a cultural thing there, in everything from Burger King ketchup packets, to the Heinz 57 at the grocer, to the table ketchup you find at a greasy burger joint.

It's pretty good, actually. I like curry as a ketchup additive much more than sugar/corn syrup, but that's just me.

I'd be interested in trying some if I could find it.

162 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:41:02am

re: #158 Gus 802

Too few people read extensively in history. I suppose Oprah could encourage this though.

/ Ho ho ho.


BBL, I am going to try and do some work.

163 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:41:25am

re: #154 gmsc

LOL That would be my kind of luck.

164 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:41:37am

re: #156 Ojoe

Be back in 3 weeks and 6 days ...

Watch out for Orcs.

/and remember, Mordor is thataway =>

165 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:42:01am

re: #118 capitalist piglet

You just kind of have your finger on the pulse of all the weird stuff tonight, don'tcha? LOL

Hey, if weird stuff is my theme tonight, I'm going with it.

First up, why do a 1971 Krofft Saturday morning show theme and a 2008 Britney Spears song sound so much alike?

166 Gus  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:42:06am

re: #162 Ojoe

Later!

167 Gus  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:42:29am

I'm out too. Monday is already here! Good night folks.

168 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:42:41am

re: #162 Ojoe

Too few people read extensively in history. I suppose Oprah could encourage this though.

/ Ho ho ho.

BBL, I am going to try and do some work.

Hurry back!

169 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:43:49am
170 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:44:59am

gmsc's weird stuff #2:

Soundgarden's "Black Hole Sun", with vocals by Steve Lawrence and Eydie Gormet!

171 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:45:11am

re: #165 gmsc

Hey, if weird stuff is my theme tonight, I'm going with it.

First up, why do a 1971 Krofft Saturday morning show theme and a 2008 Britney Spears song sound so much alike?

She was a "mouseketeer" IIRC

172 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:45:43am

re: #167 Gus 802

I'm out too. Monday is already here! Good night folks.

Night, Gus!

173 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:45:53am

re: #170 gmsc

gmsc's weird stuff #2:

Soundgarden's "Black Hole Sun", with vocals by Steve Lawrence and Eydie Gormet!


[Video]

I'm not going for that one again. LOL

174 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:46:13am

re: #160 Killian Bundy

redc1c4

/pretty sure you'll like this

/you know, silence is the sincerest form of non-protest acceptabce

175 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:47:28am

Later, lizards, I am about to doze off here at the keyboard. Take care, all.

176 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:48:07am

re: #171 Pvt Bin Jammin

She was a "mouseketeer" IIRC

Yep, she was!

177 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:48:23am

re: #175 Pvt Bin Jammin

Later, lizards, I am about to doze off here at the keyboard. Take care, all.

'Nite.

178 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:49:13am

re: #176 gmsc

The teenage zone. LOL

179 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:49:37am

re: #161 ArchangelMichael

I suppose you could hop a flight to Amsterdam, but it seems like a long way to go just to sample a condiment.

The flavoring is subtle and not overpowering, much like the sugar/corn syrup flavoring is here in the states.

I prefer it, but I lean much more towards the savory than I do the sweet.

/being that I am the kind of guy who says "If you have room for dessert, you didn't eat enough meat".

180 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:50:24am

re: #178 Pvt Bin Jammin

The teenage zone. LOL

There's also the pre-teen zone!

181 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:54:03am

I got to see these Dancers in the Honolulu Festival Parade today.

At this point in time, I would not celebrate my city sharing the same name with the greatest destroyer of American Wealth.
And "0" isn't calling Hawaii home anymore. He's a Chi' Town boy now.

182 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 12:59:16am

AP On Obama: You've Been Punked

Change is in the air. Not just that the inside the Beltway pundits are noticing that He is not all that He is cracked up to be. Not just that people are taking to the streets in protest. Not just that our European allies no longer are amused. Not just that the Chinese and Russians are worried that His economic policies may be too socialist.

No, you know that things are changing when the normally compliant cheerleaders at AP take to mocking Him:

The economy is fundamentally sound despite the temporary "mess" it's in, the White House said Sunday in the kind of upbeat assessment that Barack Obama had mocked as a presidential candidate.

Obama's Democratic allies pleaded for patience with an administration hitting the two-month mark this week, while Republicans said the White House's plans ignore small business and the immediate need to fix what ails the economy. After weeks projecting a dismal outlook on the economy, administration officials — led by the president himself in recent days — swung their rhetoric toward optimism in what became Wall Street's best stretch since November.

During the fall campaign, Obama relentlessly criticized his Republican opponent, Sen. John McCain, for declaring, "The fundamentals of our economy are strong." Obama's team painted the veteran senator as out of touch and failing to grasp the challenges facing the country.

But on Sunday, that optimistic message came from economic adviser Christina Romer. When asked during an appearance on NBC's "Meet the Press" if the fundamentals of the economy were sound, she replied: "Of course they are sound."

Hey America. Remember that election? You've been punked. Remember all the "sky is falling" rhetoric to get the stimulus package passed? You've been punked. Remember "imagine hope"? You've been punked.

Pretty funny. The One who shows the fierce urgency to mock others is being mocked.

183 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:00:23am

re: #181 IslandLibertarian

I got to see these Dancers in the Honolulu Festival Parade today.

At this point in time, I would not celebrate my city sharing the same name with the greatest destroyer of American Wealth.
And "0" isn't calling Hawaii home anymore. He's a Chi' Town boy now.

Find them and ask them why they hate capitalism and the American economy.

184 redc1c4  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:10:08am

re: #174 Killian Bundy

redc1c4

/you know, silence is the sincerest form of non-protest acceptabce

i was over at my on line class painting a fool into a corner.

185 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:12:54am

re: #184 redc1c4

i was over at my on line class painting a fool into a corner.

Thank God!

/I thought you were getting redc1c4 soft

186 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:18:31am

re: #183 gmsc

Find them and ask them why they hate capitalism and the American economy.

Oh, they don't hate American capitalism and economy. They just love "0".
And they were so "genki & kawai". I couldn't get tough with them.
And it's not their fault they live in Obama...........

187 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:21:22am

Below an ad with a voice-over by Australian activist Cate Blanchett, encouraging her fellow Australians to turn their lights off for Earth Hour.

However, I doubt the people who animated the ad were Australian. If you actually visit Australia and flip the light switch down, as depicted in the ad, you'll find that you'll be turning lights on, not off.

188 redc1c4  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:23:02am

re: #185 Killian Bundy

Thank God!

/I thought you were getting redc1c4 soft

on that disgusting note, i'm outta here, and am leaving you with this as pay back.

189 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:24:37am

re: #188 redc1c4

on that disgusting note, i'm outta here, and am leaving you with this as pay back.

Apparently, you don't music by The Carpenter?

/What? There's only one now.

190 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:24:56am

re: #189 gmsc

Apparently, you don't like music by The Carpenter?

/What? There's only one now.

PIMF

191 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:30:32am

re: #187 gmsc

Oh, that's brilliant. And just two days after a new moon. I've seen a similar comercial here in the states sponsored by eSurance.

Maybe if we're real lucky, the city managers will see fit to shut down the grid altogether.

Reminds me of a Jack Handey style quote, atributed to a fifteen year old:

"If we could just get everyone to close their eyes and visualize world peace for an hour, imagine how serene and quiet it would be until the looting started".

192 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:31:45am

re: #188 redc1c4

on that disgusting note, i'm outta here, and am leaving you with this as pay back.

That's like some retarded LOTR movie, not even proper speed metal.

/stand clear, nothing an M-60 won't take care of in more than 100 rounds

193 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:32:34am

re: #191 Slumbering Behemoth

Oh, that's brilliant. And just two days after a new moon. I've seen a similar comercial here in the states sponsored by eSurance.

Maybe if we're real lucky, the city managers will see fit to shut down the grid altogether.

Reminds me of a Jack Handey style quote, atributed to a fifteen year old:

"If we could just get everyone to close their eyes and visualize world peace for an hour, imagine how serene and quiet it would be until the looting started".

In my house, we celebrate Earth Hour by turning on as many lights in the house on as possible.

194 Neutral President  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:34:46am

re: #193 gmsc

I plan on doing the same. Turn on every light I can, run the washer and dryer, and turn on my laptop as well as my desktop. I'm celebrating the abundance of prosperity afforded by western civilization and it's greatest offspring: science, technology and capitalism.

195 Neutral President  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:37:00am

re: #191 Slumbering Behemoth

"If we could just get everyone to close their eyes and visualize world peace for an hour, imagine how serene and quiet it would be until the looting started".

My favorite Jack Handey deep thought: "I believe in making the world better for my children, but not my children's children because I don't think that kids should be having sex"

196 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:37:14am

Beginning of the week Asian market outlook this morning:

Taiwan's TCW Index- up 1.5%

Australia's All Ordinaries- up .08%

Singapore's Straits Times Index- down .06%

Korea's KOPSI Seoul Composite Index- down .05%

Hong Kong's Hang Seng Index- up 3.6%

Japan's Nikkei 225 Index- up 1.75%

New Zealand's NZSE 50 Index- up .85%

China's Shanghai Composite- up 1.15%

/Inofrmation is subject to change- Fenway Nation disavows any and all liability for said information

197 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:38:11am

re: #194 ArchangelMichael

I plan on doing the same. Turn on every light I can, run the washer and dryer, and turn on my laptop as well as my desktop. I'm celebrating the abundance of prosperity afforded by western civilization and it's greatest offspring: science, technology and capitalism.

/cap and trade your exuberant energy wasting ass more than big time times ten if enacted

198 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:38:21am

re: #194 ArchangelMichael

I plan on doing the same. Turn on every light I can, run the washer and dryer, and turn on my laptop as well as my desktop. I'm celebrating the abundance of prosperity afforded by western civilization and it's greatest offspring: science, technology and capitalism.

Exactly – Exploit-The–Earth Day!

199 littleoldlady  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:39:04am

re: #195 ArchangelMichael

re: #191 Slumbering Behemoth

To whom should I forward my electric bill?

200 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:39:50am

re: #193 gmsc

Don't do it! You pay for that electricity!

I am sure you're being sarcastic, but I find it absurd and idiotic that some folks really think the way to counter the asinine, emotional messages from the environmentalists is by being wasteful (a.k.a., being equally asinine and emotional).

Instead, I think you should shut off all your lights, and set a hippie on fire for warmth and illumination.
////

201 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:40:51am

re: #199 littleoldlady

re: #191 Slumbering Behemoth

To whom should I forward my electric bill?

Hook up to Hoover Dam – it can power 25 cities with the same electricity requirements of Las Vegas!

202 BatGuano  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:41:56am

re: #189 gmsc

Apparently, you don't music by The Carpenter?

/What? There's only one now.

Call me reactionary, call me a romantic, call me nostalgic, call me a lover of soft rock, call me irresponsible too.. But I have love the Carpenters every since I heard "We've only just begun" in 1970.

203 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:43:16am

re: #200 Slumbering Behemoth

Don't do it! You pay for that electricity!

I am sure you're being sarcastic, but I find it absurd and idiotic that some folks really think the way to counter the asinine, emotional messages from the environmentalists is by being wasteful (a.k.a., being equally asinine and emotional).

Instead, I think you should shut off all your lights, and set a hippie on fire for warmth and illumination.
////

What can I say? Here in Las Vegas, we're not big fans of turning off lights.

204 littleoldlady  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:43:21am

re: #201 gmsc

I'm gonna need one heck of an extension cord! ;-)

205 BlueCanuck  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:43:26am

re: #187 gmsc

Plan on having all my lights going full blast for that hour. But I am like red in that aspect, ornery and cynical.

206 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:43:44am

re: #199 littleoldlady

You can send it to me, but if you want it to get paid you better include dirty pictures. ;)

207 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:46:11am

re: #206 Slumbering Behemoth

You can send it to me, but if you want it to get paid you better include dirty pictures. ;)

You mean like this?

208 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:46:13am

Ooops....left out a rather large reigonal/international player.

India's BSE Sensex- up 1.75%

209 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:46:20am

re: #203 gmsc

Nor of immolating hippies, it would seem. Certainly not the Vegas I thought I knew.
/

210 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:46:25am

re: #206 Slumbering Behemoth

You can send it to me, but if you want it to get paid you better include dirty pictures. ;)

You mean like this?

211 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:46:56am

Coal is over 50% of our power grid, nuclear another ~10%. All bad! Don't even think about domestic drilling for oil or natural gas. It's all bad!

/bend way over for Unicorn Faerie Power and I sincerely hope you're healthy enough to bend over that far

212 littleoldlady  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:47:30am

re: #206 Slumbering Behemoth

Dirty is no problem around here!

/...checks laundry room

How about dusty? Will dusty do?

213 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:47:33am

re: #209 Slumbering Behemoth

Nor of immolating hippies, it would seem. Certainly not the Vegas I thought I knew.
/

Are you kidding? We're still trying to get rid of the remnants of the mob days in the 30s and 40s, such as our mayor.

We'll get up to cleaning up after the 60s eventually...

214 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:48:43am

re: #202 BatGuano

Call me reactionary, call me a romantic, call me nostalgic, call me a lover of soft rock, call me irresponsible too.. But I have love the Carpenters every since I heard "We've only just begun" in 1970.

Listen to the lyrics.

/Karen died of anorexia, no matter how cool her alto was

215 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:49:16am

How did Orson Welles know?
;)

216 Benthoven  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:50:20am

I'm just hoping we still have a Vegas here to clean up after Obama's done with us.

217 BatGuano  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:51:08am

re: #201 gmsc

Hook up to Hoover Dam – it can power 25 cities with the same electricity requirements of Las Vegas!

gmsc, what do you think? Could Hoover dam be built today? Considering labor costs, governmental regulations, union interference, regulatory incompetence, environmental wacko organizations, lack of workers willing to extend themselves, I say no.

218 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:52:11am

re: #212 littleoldlady

I'll take 'em all. We can use 'em to fill vending machines in Japan. We'll make a fortune.

/Brilliant!

219 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:52:19am

re: #212 littleoldlady

Dirty is no problem around here!

/...checks laundry room

How about dusty? Will dusty do?

Waking up...You Rang?

220 Benthoven  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:52:35am

re: #217 BatGuano

Ummm isn't Ground Zero still a dry hole in the ground? Question answered.

221 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:53:20am

re: #216 Benthoven


Randall Flagg has to set up shop somewhere. Even after the apocolypse...

222 BatGuano  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:54:41am

re: #214 Killian Bundy

Listen to the lyrics.

/Karen died of anorexia, no matter how cool her alto was

Yeah, I know the lyrics and I remember the day she died. There was irony in that song.

223 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:54:43am

re: #220 Benthoven

Ummm isn't Ground Zero still a dry hole in the ground? Question answered.

/no. they're making progress

224 littleoldlady  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:55:46am

re: #219 Dustyvet

Bwaha! :-)

DUSTY! :-)

225 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:55:59am

A new priest at his first mass was so nervous he could hardly speak.

After mass he asked the monsignor how he had done.

The monsignor replied, "When I am worried about getting nervous on the pulpit, I put a glass of vodka next to the water glass. if I start to get nervous, I take a sip."

So next Sunday he took the monsignor's advice. At the beginning of the sermon, he got nervous and took a drink. He proceeded to talk up a storm.

Upon his return to his office after mass, he found the following note on the door:

1. Sip the Vodka, don't gulp.
2. There are 10 commandments, not 12.
3. There are 12 disciples, not 10.
4. Jesus was consecrated, not constipated.
5. Jacob wagered his donkey, he did not bet his ass.
6. We do not refer to Jesus Christ as the late J. C.
7. The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are not referred to as Daddy, Junior and the Spook.
8. David slew Goliath, he did not kick the shit out of him.
9. When David was hit by a rock and was knocked off his donkey,don't say he was stoned off his ass.
10. We do not refer to the cross as the "Big T."
11. When Jesus broke the bread at the Last Supper he said, "Take this and eat it for it is my body." He did not say "Eat me"
12. The Virgin Mary is not called "Mary with the Cherry,"
13. The recommended grace before a meal is not: Rub-A-Dub-Dub thanks for the grub, yeah God.
14. Next Sunday there will be a taffy pulling contest at St. Peter's, not a Peter pulling contest at St. Taffy's!

226 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:56:00am

re: #217 BatGuano

gmsc, what do you think? Could Hoover dam be built today? Considering labor costs, governmental regulations, union interference, regulatory incompetence, environmental wacko organizations, lack of workers willing to extend themselves, I say no.

No way.

When Boulder Dam (as it was referred to in its earlier days) was being built, the government even went so far as to build Boulder City to house the workers.

To keep them moral and upright, however, gambling was illegal in Boulder City. To this day, Boulder City remains the only city in Nevada where gambling is illegal.

(Of course, when you're not that far from Las Vegas, that only does so much good.)

227 Benthoven  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:56:11am

re: #221 Fenway_Nation

"His goals typically center on bringing down civilizations, usually through spreading destruction and sowing conflict." Hmmm I guess Obama can get started on his "Mission Accomplished" banners.

228 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:56:32am

re: #222 BatGuano

Yeah, I know the lyrics and I remember the day she died. There was irony in that song.

/ready?

229 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:56:38am

re: #216 Benthoven

Look on the bright side. After Obama is gone, you might still have Reid.
/wait, what?

230 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:58:45am

re: #225 Dustyvet

Hey Dv stop saving my jokes and reposting them weeks later:)////

231 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:59:12am

re: #224 littleoldlady

Bwaha! :-)

DUSTY! :-)

(((((Lady))))))

232 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 1:59:57am

re: #230 Erik The Red

Hey Dv stop saving my jokes and reposting them weeks later:)////

Okey dokeys...:)

233 littleoldlady  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:00:08am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------>
Help yourselves!

234 BlueCanuck  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:00:36am

Ah, littleoldlady is here. :)

/now Erik and I won't have to suffer abuse from the other lizards.

235 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:00:37am

re: #233 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------>
Help yourselves!

{lol} morning

236 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:00:46am

re: #233 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------>
Help yourselves!

Yummy!

/Wait? Why is my fruitcup dusty?

237 BlueCanuck  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:01:02am

Thanks for your scrumptious fruitcup littleoldlady.

238 Benthoven  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:01:07am

re: #229 Slumbering Behemoth

Look on the bright side. After Obama is gone, you might still have Reid.
/wait, what?

Well, hopefully someone will have driven a wooden stake through his cold, dead, vampiric heart by then.

239 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:01:10am

re: #234 BlueCanuck

Ah, littleoldlady is here. :)

/now Erik and I won't have to suffer abuse from the other lizards.

Actually, you 2 didn't do too bad last night.

240 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:01:38am

re: #232 Dustyvet

Okey dokeys...:)

Fire away buddy. I love reading them as much as I do posting.

241 BlueCanuck  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:01:58am

re: #239 gmsc

True, but all the grumbling and complaining...

/looks pointedly at batguano

242 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:02:22am

re: #240 Erik The Red

Fire away buddy. I love reading them as much as I do posting.

If you think life is bad. How would you like to be an egg?
* You only get laid once.
* You only get eaten once.
* It takes 4 minutes to get hard. Only 2 minutes to get soft.
* You share your box with 11 other guys.
* But worst of all.... The only chick that ever sat on your face was your mother.

So cheer up.....Your life ain't that bad!

243 Crux Australis  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:02:27am

re: #187 gmsc

Below an ad with a voice-over by Australian activist Cate Blanchett, encouraging her fellow Australians to turn their lights off for Earth Hour.

However, I doubt the people who animated the ad were Australian. If you actually visit Australia and flip the light switch down, as depicted in the ad, you'll find that you'll be turning lights on, not off.

You are correct! A lot of things are upside-down and back-to-front like that in Australia.

244 BatGuano  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:02:59am

re: #233 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------>
Help yourselves!

Thank you lol!

245 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:03:11am

re: #239 gmsc

Actually, you 2 didn't do too bad last night.

Yeah I just logged in an saw that lol must have over slept. Beat Blue by 8 seconds and man did we take abuse.

246 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:04:13am

re: #233 littleoldlady

BACON!

G'nite {LoL}, g'nite Lizards.

247 littleoldlady  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:05:10am

BlueCanuck! :-)

I thought you and Erik did a fabulous job yesterday!

/I can retire at any time now ;-)

Erik! :-)

gmsc! :-)

BatGuano! :-)

'Night, Slumbering! :-)

248 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:05:47am

re: #243 Crux Australis

You are correct! A lot of things are upside-down and back-to-front like that in Australia.

Why is that, anyway? Copying New Zealand? Popular vote? The Coriolis Effect?

249 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:06:33am

re: #246 Slumbering Behemoth

BACON!

G'nite {LoL}, g'nite Lizards.

G'nite, SB!

250 BatGuano  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:07:01am

re: #241 BlueCanuck

True, but all the grumbling and complaining...

/looks pointedly at batguano

Oh, c'mon you were perpetrating a fraud and I did get whacked without complaint.

251 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:09:18am

During Exploit-The-Earth Day, not only will I have all my lights on for that hour, I think I'll cook some 0bama Fingers, as well!

252 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:10:09am
253 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:10:20am

re: #251 gmsc

During Exploit-The-Earth Day, not only will I have all my lights on for that hour, I think I'll cook some 0bama Fingers, as well!

I'll never eat chicken again...:P

254 littleoldlady  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:10:54am

re: #250 BatGuano

My horrorscope for today:

Someone is deflecting his or her own lack of success by placing blame on a person you know. The finger pointing is creating a lot of drama. You might be tempted to jump in and help; however, becoming involved is not in your best interests.

;-)

So, how 'bout them [fill in a successful sports team here]?

255 Benthoven  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:11:35am

Oh well, off to face another day of Las Vegas retail hell, trying to survive the Obama-mandated depression here, maybe not have to lay off any more of my employees, and I don't know, maybe even keep my house?

256 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:12:09am

re: #252 Killian Bundy

All futures indexes green.

/Rain is good today

All increasing index futures mean is that no major US Congressional or Executive speeches are scheduled for the next day.

257 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:13:13am

Mornin folks, Erik, SB, Killian, Fenway, gmsc, Dusty, Lol :-) ...all...ta da...the show's about to begin: Obama must show competence to move agenda

The fear among conservatives was that President Barack Obama and his team would be so smoothly effective in pursuing their aims that European-style socialism would come to America without anyone really noticing.

Now, Republican worries of political irrelevance are starting to give way to more fundamental concerns.

The men and women of the right are wondering whether the new president can keep it together well enough to avoid running the country into a ditch.

Me...between the competence part and all the cool things going on, I'll take the ditch for 200.

258 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:16:41am

re: #256 gmsc

All increasing index futures mean is that no major US Congressional or Executive speeches are scheduled for the next day.

/always with the negative waves

259 littleoldlady  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:16:51am

aboo! :-)

/verybigsigh :-(

Right. I'm conflicted, too. I "don't want him to succeed", but I also want my country to be here when he's gone.

Do the Chinese own that ditch or did you Buy American?

260 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:18:19am

re: #257 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Mornin folks, Erik, SB, Killian, Fenway, gmsc, Dusty, Lol :-) ...all...ta da...the show's about to begin: Obama must show competence to move agenda

Me...between the competence part and all the cool things going on, I'll take the ditch for 200.

I was just talking about that in the previous thread.

From the blogfather:

NEW YORK DAILY NEWS: More than a bad day: Worries grow that Barack Obama & Co. have a competence problem.

Not long ago, after a string of especially bad days for the Obama administration, a veteran Democratic pol approached me with a pained look on his face and asked, “Do you think they know what they’re doing?”

The question caught me off guard because the man is a well-known Obama supporter. As we talked, I quickly realized his asking suggested his own considerable doubts.

Yes, it’s early, but an eerily familiar feeling is spreading across party lines and seeping into the national conversation. It’s a nagging doubt about the competency of the White House.

Read the whole thing. There’s also David Broder’s report of doubts. And Don Surber has comments, too.

261 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:26:15am

re: #257 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Me...between the competence part and all the cool things going on, I'll take the ditch for 200.

re: #259 littleoldlady

aboo! :-)

/verybigsigh :-(

Right. I'm conflicted, too. I "don't want him to succeed", but I also want my country to be here when he's gone.

Do the Chinese own that ditch or did you Buy American?

Can littleoldlady and I join you in that ditch? Whaddaya think, lol? Just me and you and a ...

262 BatGuano  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:30:45am

A man comes home from work and is wife standing in the hallway and asks, "So, what did you get me for my birthday"?
He says." A cemetery plot". She turns and walks away.
A year later he comes home from work and she is standing in the hallway with her arms crossed and asks, "So, what did you get me for my birthday"?
He says, "Nothing! you didn't use last years gift".

263 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:30:49am

re: #257 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Mornin folks, Erik, SB, Killian, Fenway, gmsc, Dusty, Lol :-) ...all...ta da...the show's about to begin: Obama must show competence to move agenda

Me...between the competence part and all the cool things going on, I'll take the ditch for 200.

Oh, another post related to this is the You've Been Punked post that's back a little ways.

264 littleoldlady  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:32:04am

re: #261 gmsc

I didn't think YOU were that OLD, gmsc!

/well, there goes THAT illusion...

;-)

265 TheMatrix31  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:32:37am

Competence problem? No shit.

266 BatGuano  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:35:25am

re: #264 littleoldlady

I thought the original was by Lobo. Was Stonewall Jackson's a cover?

267 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:37:06am

re: #264 littleoldlady

I didn't think YOU were that OLD, gmsc!

/well, there goes THAT illusion...

;-)

I would've been only 3 when that was a hit, so I really don't remember that song's first go-round, but I heard it later and liked it.

268 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:38:15am

# Two antennas met on a roof, fell in love and got married. The ceremony wasn't much, but the reception was excellent.

# A jumper cable walks into a bar. The bartender says, "I'll serve you, but don't start anything."

# Two peanuts walk into a bar, and one was a salted.

# A dyslexic man walks into a bra.

# A man walks into a bar with a slab of asphalt under his arm and says: "A beer please, and one for the road."

# Two cannibals are eating a clown. One says to the other: "Does this taste funny to you?"

# "Doc, I can't stop singing 'The Green, Green Grass of Home.'"
Doc answers, "That sounds like Tom Jones Syndrome."
The patient says, "Is it common?"
Well, "It's Not Unusual."

# Two cows are standing next to each other in a field.
Daisy says to Dolly, "I was artificially inseminated this morning."
"I don't believe you," says Dolly.
"It's true, no bull!" exclaims Daisy.

# An invisible man marries an invisible woman. The kids were nothing to look at either.

# Deja Moo: The feeling that you've heard this bull before.

# I went to buy some camouflage trousers the other day but I couldn't find any.

# I went to a seafood disco last week...and pulled a mussel.

# What do you call a fish with no eyes? A fsh.

# Two termites walk into a bar. One asks, "Is the bar tender here?"

269 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:38:22am

re: #266 BatGuano

I thought the original was by Lobo. Was Stonewall Jackson's a cover?

Yep.

270 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:38:31am

Linda's best performance.

/don't blink . . .

271 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:39:00am

1. A vulture boards an airplane, carrying two dead raccoons. The stewardess looks at him and says, "I'm sorry, sir, only one carrion allowed per passenger."

2. Two fish swim into a concrete wall. The one turns to the other and says "Dam!".

3. Two Eskimos sitting in a kayak were chilly, so they lit a fire in the craft. Unsurprisingly it sank, proving once again that you can't have your kayak and heat it too.

4. Two hydrogen atoms meet. One says, "I've lost my electron,"
The other says, "Are you sure?"
The first replies "Yes, I'm positive."

5. Did you hear about the Buddhist who refused Novocain during a root canal? His goal: transcend dental medication.

6. A group of chess enthusiasts checked into a hotel and were standing in the lobby discussing their recent tournament victories. After about an hour, the manager came out of the office and asked them to disperse.
"But why?" they asked, as they moved off.
"Because," he said, "I can't stand chess-nuts boasting in an open
foyer."

7. A woman has twins and gives them up for adoption. One of them goes to a family in Egypt and is named "Ahmal." The other goes to a family in Spain ; they name him "Juan."
Years later, Juan sends a picture of himself to his birth mother.
Upon receiving the picture, she tells her husband that she wishes she also had a picture of Ahmal.
Her husband responds, "They're twins! If you've seen Juan, you've seen Ahmal."

8. These friars were behind on their belfry payments, so they opened up a small florist shop to raise funds. Since everyone liked to buy flowers from the men of God, a rival florist across town thought the competition was unfair. He asked the good fathers to close down, but they would not.
He went back and begged the friars to close. They ignored him. So, the rival florist hired Hugh MacTaggart, the roughest and most vicious thug in town to "persuade" them to close. Hugh beat up the friars and trashed their store, saying he'd be back if they didn't close up shop. Terrified, they did so. Thereby proving that only Hugh can prevent florist friars.

9. Mahatma Gandhi, as you know, walked barefoot most of the time, which produced an impressive set of calluses on his feet. He also ate very little, which made him rather frail and with his odd diet, he suffered from bad breath. This made him (Oh, man, this is so bad, it's good)..... A super calloused fragile mystic hexed by halitosis.

10. And finally, there was the person who sent ten different puns to his friends, with the hope that at least one of the puns would make them laugh. No pun in ten did

272 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:39:47am

re: #259 littleoldlady

aboo! :-)

/verybigsigh :-(

Right. I'm conflicted, too. I "don't want him to succeed", but I also want my country to be here when he's gone.

Do the Chinese own that ditch or did you Buy American?

I bought American but since I haven't yet received the title to the house from Citi I'm now getting worried it's going to show-up printed in Chinese.

re: #260 gmsc

Yea...it sure-as-hell looks like we've got more than a few exponentially growing deficits and not of the financial/economic order.

Gets better everyday.

/

273 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:43:09am

re: #268 Dustyvet

# Two peanuts walk into a bar, and one was a salted.

The peanut sat on the railroad track,
Its heart was all a-flutter.
The train came down the railroad track.
Toot! Toot! Peanut butter.

--------------

Three ropes walk into a bar. The bartender yells at them, "Get out of here! We don't serve ropes here!" All three leave. Two of the ropes decide to try and find another bar. The third stays behind, and decides to try again.

He ties himself up, flares out his ends, and goes back into the bar again. The bartender says, "Aren't you one of those ropes I just threw out of here?"

The rope replies, "No, I'm a frayed knot."

274 littleoldlady  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:43:12am

re: #272 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

I bought American but since I haven't yet received the title to the house from Citi I'm now getting worried it's going to show-up printed in Chinese.

Not to worry. You can partake in the new American tradition:

Don't read your mortgage!

275 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:43:15am

The Ant & The Grasshopper

CLASSIC VERSION:

The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks he's a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.

Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed. Grasshopper has no food or shelter so he dies out in the cold.

MODERN VERSION:

The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks he's a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.

Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others are cold and starving. CBS, NBC and ABC show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food.

America is stunned by the sharp contrast. How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so? Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper, and everybody cries when they sing "It's Not Easy Being Green." Jesse Jackson stages a demonstration in front of the ant's house where the news stations film
the group singing "We shall overcome". Jesse then has the group kneel down to pray to God for the grasshopper's sake.

Al Gore exclaims in an interview with Peter Jennings that the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and calls for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his "fair share". Finally, the EOC drafts the "Economic Equity and Anti-Grasshopper Act," retroactive to the beginning of the summer.

The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the government.

Hillary gets her old law firm to represent the grasshopper in a defamation suit against the ant, and the case is tried, before a panel of federal judges that Bill appointed from a list of single-parent welfare recipients. The ant loses the case. The story ends as we see the grasshopper finishing up the last bits of the ant's food while the government house he is in, which just happens to be the ant's old house, crumbles around him because he doesn't maintain it. The ant has disappeared in the snow.

The grasshopper is found dead in a drug related incident and the house, now abandoned, is taken over by a gang of spiders who terrorize the once peaceful neighborhood.

276 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:43:49am

re: #260 gmsc

Wonder if Hussein Dolt will bother running for re-election. I'm thinking he could be burned out well before 2012.,,,,

277 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:47:08am

re: #276 Fenway_Nation

Wonder if Hussein Dolt will bother running for re-election. I'm thinking he could be burned out well before 2012.,,,,

Pssssst news flash...he's already burned out...:)

278 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:47:37am

re: #276 Fenway_Nation

Wonder if Hussein Dolt will bother running for re-election. I'm thinking he could be burned out well before 2012.,,,,

If things go the way they're looking right now, all he'll have to run on is his disastrous record from 2009-2010, and his inability to get things passed through the newly-elected Republican Congress in 2011 and 2012 (as well as the constant over-riding of his veto by the Republican Congress).

279 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:50:02am

re: #277 Dustyvet

Pssssst news flash...he's already burned out...:)

You're not kidding, either!

Google search results for "obama" AND "tired": about 25,800,000 pages

280 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:50:36am

During the wedding rehearsal, the groom approached the vicar with an unusual offer. "Look, I’ll give you £100 if you’ll change the wedding vows. When you get to me and the part where I’m to promise to ‘love, honor and obey’ and ‘forsaking all others, be faithful to her forever,’ I’d appreciate it if you’d just leave that part out." He passed the clergyman the cash and walked away satisfied.

It is now the day of the wedding, and the bride and groom have moved to that part of the ceremony where the vows are exchanged. When it comes time for the groom’s vows, the vicar looks the young man in the eye and says:
"Will you promise to prostrate yourself before her, obey her every command and wish, serve her breakfast in bed every morning of your life and swear eternally before God and your lovely wife that you will not ever even look at another woman, as long as you both shall live?"
The groom gulped and looked around, and said in a tiny voice, "Yes."
The groom leaned toward the vicar and hissed, "I thought we had a deal."
The vicar put the £100 into his hand and whispered back, "She made me a much better offer."

281 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:51:13am

25 Things You'd Love To Say Out Loud At Work

1. I can see your point, but I still think you're full of shit.

2. I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's hard to pronounce.

3. How about never? Is never good for you?

4. I see you've set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in public.

5. I'm really easy to get along with once you people learn to see it my way.

6. I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter.

7. I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message.

8. I don't work here, I'm a consultant.

9. It sounds like English, but I can't understand a word you're saying.

10. Ahhh...I see the screw-up fairy has visited us again.

11. I like you. You remind me of myself when I was young and stupid.

12. You are validating my inherent mistrust of strangers.

13. I have plenty of talent and vision; I just don't give a damn.

14. I'm already visualizing the duct tape over your mouth.

15. I'm not being rude. You're just insignificant.

16. Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties are largely ceremonial.

17. And your crybaby whiny-assed opinion would be...?

18. Sarcasm is just one more service we offer.

19. If I throw a stick, will you leave?

20. Errors have been made. Others will be blamed.

21. Too many freaks, not enough circuses.

22. Nice perfume. Must you marinate in it?

23. Chaos, panic, and disorder --- my work here is done.

24. I thought I wanted a career; turns out I just wanted a salary.

25. Who lit the fuse on your tampon?

282 BatGuano  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:52:13am

A man on horse back comes upon an Indian with his his ear to the ground. He stops and the Indian says, " Wagon come. 4 horses, 1 white, 3 black. Man and woman in front. In the back 3 children. They have dog."
The rider asks, " You can tell all that by listening"?
The Indian answers, " No. they just ran over my head".

283 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:53:52am

I once sent 10 puns into a pun contest, hoping at least 1 of them would win. Unfortunately, no pun in ten did.

284 gmsc  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:55:09am

Well, good night, all! It's time for me to hit the hay!

285 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:55:48am

While On The Bus...

A bus stops and two Italian men get on.

They sit down and engage in an animated conversation. The lady sitting behind them ignores them at first, but her attention is galvanized when she hears one of the men say the following, "Emma come first. Den I come. Den two asses come together. I come once-a-more. Two asses, they come together again. I come again and pee twice. Then I come one lasta time."

"You foul-mouthed sex obsessed swine," retorted the lady indignantly.

"Hey, coola down lady," said the man. "Who talkin' abouta sexa? I'm a justa tellin' my frienda how to spella 'Mississippi'."

(I BET YOU READ THIS AGAIN!)

286 BlueCanuck  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:56:29am

re: #281 Dustyvet

Hmmm, time to pull out my trusty D20, and have some fun.

/just have to remove five from that list and I will be set.

287 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:56:31am

It looks like there's plenty of beachfront property for sale in Afghanistan if anyone's interested. Ya never know, it might be time to blow this popsicle-stand for a get-away-place: Taliban Leader Mullah Omar Agrees to Peace Meeting

TALIBAN leader Mullah Omar has given his approval for talks aimed at ending the war in Afghanistan and has allowed his representatives to attend Saudi-sponsored peace negotiations.

"Mullah Omar has given the green light to talks," said one of the mediators, Abdullah Anas, a former friend of Osama bin Laden who used to fight in Afghanistan but now lives in London.

A source negotiating for the Afghan Government confirmed: "It's extremely sensitive but we have been in contact both with Mullah Omar's direct representatives and commanders from the front line."

The breakthrough emerged after President Barack Obama admitted that US-led forces were not winning the war in Afghanistan and called for negotiations with "moderate Taliban".

Oh yea, moderate Omar and moderate Binny. President Obumbles oughta get along and fit in well.

288 BlueCanuck  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:57:06am

Night gmsc, pi dreams for you.

289 BatGuano  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:57:35am

re: #284 gmsc

Well, good night, all! It's time for me to hit the hay!


Goodnight.

290 littleoldlady  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:58:22am

'Night, gmsc! :-)

291 Crux Australis  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 2:59:16am

One of the stupidest/funniest things I've heard this week is the Obama Administration extending the hand of friendship to the "moderate Taliban".

Mind you don't get it chopped off in the process/

292 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:00:11am

The Way Things Are Done

Start with 5 monkeys locked in a cage.

Hang a banana from the roof on a string and place a set of stairs under it.

Before long the monkeys will go to the stairs and start to climb toward the banana.

As soon as the first monkey touches the stairs, hose the other monkeys with cold water.

After a while another monkey makes an attempt with the same result. All the other are sprayed with cold water.

Pretty soon, when another monkey tries to climb the stairs, the other monkeys will try to prevent it.

Now, put away the cold water. Remove one monkey from the cage and replace it with a new one. The new monkey sees the banana and goes to climb the stairs. To his surprise and horror, all of the other monkeys attack him. After another attempt and attack, he knows that if he tries to climb the stairs, he will be assaulted.

Next, remove another of the original five monkeys and replace it with a new one. The newcomer goes to the stairs and is attacked. The previous newcomer takes part in the punishment with enthusiasm!

Likewise, replace a third original monkey with a new one, then a fourth, then the fifth. Every time the newest monkey takes to the stairs, he is attacked.

Most of the monkeys that are beating him have no idea why they were not permitted to climb the stairs or why they are participating in the beating of the newest monkey.

After replacing all the original monkeys, none of the remaining monkeys have ever been sprayed with cold water.

Nevertheless, no monkey ever again approaches the stairs to try for the banana.

Why not?

Because as far as they know that's the way it's always been done around here. And that, my friends, is how company policy begins.

293 rightside  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:03:01am

Morning Lizards.

294 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:03:14am

re: #274 littleoldlady

Not to worry. You can partake in the new American tradition:

Don't read your mortgage!

No mortgage no mo, that's what scares me the Title coming back in Chinese. :-(

295 BatGuano  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:07:31am

A challenge: Find the hidden car.
[Link: www.strangecosmos.com...]

296 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:08:31am

Good morning all.
Well, this is cheery:
Pakistan contnues to fall apart.

297 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:08:53am
...a former friend of Osama bin Laden who used to fight in Afghanistan but now lives in London.

Ya really gotta love it. Think I'll print that out and read it every time I feel a bit optimistic today. ;-)

298 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:11:03am

re: #271 Dustyvet

I went to the stationery store, but it had moved.

Good Night,

299 BatGuano  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:13:10am

re: #296 Jim in Virginia

Good morning all.
Well, this is cheery:
Pakistan contnues to fall apart.

As long as America has control over their nukes .We do have control don't we?

300 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:13:19am

re: #295 BatGuano

What gorgeous shoes! Are they Manolos?

301 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:14:11am

re: #299 BatGuano

As long as America has control over their nukes .We do have control don't we?


Barry knows exactly where they are.

302 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:15:26am
303 littleoldlady  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:17:28am

What chiropractor would want to live in a horse stall?

'Morning, tfk! ;-)

Morning, {My Rove!} :-)

304 BatGuano  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:18:58am

re: #300 Jim in Virginia

What gorgeous shoes! Are they Manolos?

What shoes?

305 BlueCanuck  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:20:57am

re: #300 Jim in Virginia

Shoes? There were shoes?

306 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:22:43am

re: #305 BlueCanuck

Hey Blue please send me a energy pack. If you can

307 BlueCanuck  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:24:53am

re: #306 Erik The Red

Okay, try now. I don't know if it went through or not.

308 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:26:19am

re: #307 BlueCanuck

Okay, try now. I don't know if it went through or not.

Are we allowed to receive one from each member every 24 hours or only 1 in total?

309 BatGuano  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:28:46am

WTF is an energy pack? Is it legal?

310 BlueCanuck  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:28:52am

re: #308 Erik The Red

You are only allowed to use one per day.

311 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:29:35am

re: #310 BlueCanuck

You are only allowed to use one per day.

Damn use one already.:(

312 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:30:12am

re: #309 BatGuano

WTF is an energy pack? Is it legal?

Highly illegal. Have to part of the Mafia to get one.

313 BatGuano  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:33:38am

I wants me one.

314 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:34:11am

{littleoldlady}
{Jim in virginia}
{taxfreekiller}
{BatGuanao}
{Blue Canuck}
{Erik the Red}
{aboo-Hoo-Hoo}
{Ojoe}

Good morning, Lizards!

315 BatGuano  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:35:20am

Good morning goddess.

316 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:35:25am

re: #314 goddessoftheclassroom

{littleoldlady}
{Jim in virginia}
{taxfreekiller}
{BatGuanao}
{Blue Canuck}
{Erik the Red}
{aboo-Hoo-Hoo}
{Ojoe}

Good morning, Lizards!

{goddess} Good Morning

317 littleoldlady  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:35:49am

Hiya, goddess! :-)

318 BlueCanuck  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:35:59am

{goddess}. Good morning to you too.

319 BatGuano  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:42:04am

re: #301 Jim in Virginia

Up his ass?

320 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:42:55am

Kuwait cabinet could resign: MP

No problemo. Let's see...with Bahrain the 14th province of Iran, Iraq the 15th, that oughta make Kuwait the 16th.

Pick the State and its correct order for provinces 17 through 20 and win 2 EFP's direct from Tehran(infidels need not apply).

321 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:44:05am

Good morning GOTC.

322 BatGuano  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:45:43am

re: #320 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Kuwait cabinet could resign: MP

No problemo. Let's see...with Bahrain the 14th province of Iran, Iraq the 15th, that oughta make Kuwait the 16th.

Pick the State and its correct order for provinces 17 through 20 and win 2 EFP's direct from Tehran(infidels need not apply).

I am infidel. I may not apply? That is unjust!

323 littleoldlady  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:48:02am
324 BlueCanuck  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:46:55am

Bye littleoldlady, see you tomorrow morning.

325 BatGuano  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:47:08am

re: #323 littleoldlady

Good day, ALL!™

I watched that as a child. Happy trails to you.

326 rightside  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:58:21am

re: #314 goddessoftheclassroom

{goddess}

327 Sheepdogess  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:58:46am

Dare I ask? What's up with the guy at LGFWatch?

328 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:59:37am

Seeing as everyone seems to still be asleep here is some more Page 3 Girls

NSFW

329 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 3:59:51am

re: #322 BatGuano

I am infidel. I may not apply? That is unjust!

/So sorry unlucky infidel but prizes fall under Presidente Obumbles remaking America and redistributing the wealth - All for the One and none for the rest.

330 3 wood  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 4:07:41am

Good morning.

The market futures are pointing up again this morning. OPEC decided to not cut production (which means they are hurting so much they need the money too badly, plus they do not trust each other right now to comply) which means oil prices should be staying in the same lower current range for a while.

This, of course will not mean much if Treasury Secretary Geithner continues to dither and stammer and watch the banks keep bleeding to death.

331 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 4:14:39am

re: #330 3 wood

if Treasury Secretary Geithner continues to dither and stammer


Is there any doubt?

332 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 4:15:46am

re: #328 Erik The Red

Seeing as everyone seems to still be asleep here is some more Page 3 Girls

NSFW

HEY ,,,, where'd you get those photos of my WIFE!


(oh ,, wait ,,, thats not my wife ,,,but thank God he gave me an imagination, eyes, hands and arms that reach ,,, ummm,,, welll ,,, err,,,, nevahmind !)

333 3 wood  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 4:17:49am

re: #331 Jim in Virginia

Is there any doubt?

Well, miracles do happen.

334 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 4:17:55am

re: #330 3 wood

At least Bernanke and Volker are now talking about mark to market problems!

335 rightside  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 4:18:03am

nobama disappointing this young lady by not giving her a pony.

336 3 wood  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 4:24:44am

re: #334 sattv4u2

At least Bernanke and Volker are now talking about mark to market problems!

True, and I think that and the "uptick" rule issues are behind most of the rally of last week. Talking to broker friends of mine, they estimate last weeks rally was due about 70% to short sellers covering their positions to adjust for the potential rules changes.

337 3 wood  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 4:25:01am

Got to get ready fro work. Later.

338 BlueCanuck  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 4:28:24am

Time for me to go too. Going to be a fun week. Stay scaly all.

339 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 4:28:47am

re: #338 BlueCanuck

Time for me to go too. Going to be a fun week. Stay scaly all.

Later Blue.

340 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 4:30:50am

re: #335 rightside

nobama disappointing this young lady by not giving her a pony.

My son (14 year old, 9th grade private school honors student) says to wifey and me at the dinner tablew the other night

"So ,, I work hard at school, get a great job, good salary that 50+%
will end up going to people that contribute nothing, right?"

I'm thinking,,, 'uh oh, he's going to say why bother working studying so hard

I said "yes, thats right"

And he says "thats cool, I'll just have to work even harder to make even more that way I'll REALLY enjoy all the cool stuff I'll have worked for while they're complaining about the crappy stuff the gov't gave them for free"

I almost cried!

341 rightside  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 4:32:36am

re: #340 sattv4u2

No sarcasm at all?

342 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 4:33:02am

re: #341 rightside

dead serious

343 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 4:33:46am

Has anyone already mentioned that Sarah Jane Olson will get out of prison tomorrow?

344 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 4:35:17am

re: #343 MandyManners

Has anyone already mentioned that Sarah Jane Olson will get out of prison tomorrow?

It was brought up late last night.

I'm speculating there's an adjunct proffesorship awaiting for her at some far left college somewhere. Another lizard specualted a cabinet position in the Nobama admin

345 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 4:35:38am

re: #343 MandyManners

Has anyone already mentioned that Sarah Jane Olson will get out of prison tomorrow?

Morning 2M. No and refresh my mind who is she?

346 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 4:37:19am

re: #344 sattv4u2

It was brought up late last night.

I'm speculating there's an adjunct proffesorship awaiting for her at some far left college somewhere. Another lizard specualted a cabinet position in the Nobama admin

FDIC.

347 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 4:40:02am

re: #345 Erik The Red

Morning 2M. No and refresh my mind who is she?

Symbionese Liberation Army. Wiki has a good review.

348 rightside  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 4:41:23am

re: #342 sattv4u2

Take his favorite thing he has worked hard for and give it to a sibling or someone else (temporarily). Teaching moment! That might change his mind.

349 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 4:42:12am

re: #347 MandyManners

Thanks

350 rightside  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 4:44:56am

re: #347 MandyManners

This administration has a tendency to embrace these kinds of terrorists. Of course, the drive-bys will simply ignore it.

351 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 4:44:56am

re: #348 rightside

Take his favorite thing he has worked hard for and give it to a sibling or someone else (temporarily). Teaching moment! That might change his mind.

Are you shitting me? He GETS it! he KNOWS the Imperial Federal Gov't is going to do whatever it is they want too. He KNOWS there are only 2 ways to combat it

1) capitulate (i.e.LET the gov't take care of everything in your life)
2) work hard enough to be immune of anything they do

352 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 4:45:28am
353 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 4:46:06am
354 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 4:48:16am
355 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 4:52:00am

re: #348 rightside

re: #351 sattv4u2

Oh, gosh. You both have a point. A balance is cool. Be willing to work hard, earn as much as you can, render unto Ceasar...

and get mad.

356 rightside  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 4:55:39am

re: #351 sattv4u2


ok, nevermind. I'm confused.

357 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 4:56:43am

re: #350 rightside

This administration has a tendency to embrace these kinds of terrorists. Of course, the drive-bys will simply ignore it.

Were there any connections between SLA, WU, Black Panthers or Manson?

358 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 4:58:20am
359 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:01:04am

re: #356 rightside

ok, nevermind. I'm confused.

no problem, I probably wasn't too clear in my little parable from my #340

360 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:01:56am
361 rightside  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:04:05am

re: #357 MandyManners


That's what I was wondering... I bet some of these groups shared info

362 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:05:06am
363 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:08:08am
364 opnion  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:08:09am

Good morning all. Chicago had two St. Pat's parades over the weekend.
At both ,tee shirts were available of Barack Obama as a leprechaun for $5.00. Can't make it up.

365 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:08:21am

re: #361 rightside

That's what I was wondering... I bet some of these groups shared info

I'd like to look at the FBI files from that era.

366 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:08:48am

re: #363 taxfreekiller

think tfk will hit the road
got revolution to spread

Let the two party evil money cult choke on tea parties.

Vaya con dios, amigo mio!

367 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:12:58am

re: #364 opnion

Good morning all. Chicago had two St. Pat's parades over the weekend.
At both ,tee shirts were available of Barack Obama as a leprechaun for $5.00. Can't make it up.

Green or black?

368 opnion  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:14:34am

re: #367 MandyManners

Green or black?

The clothes are green with a photo shop of Obama's actual face.
It's actually a little creepy.

369 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:16:13am

re: #368 opnion

The clothes are green with a photo shop of Obama's actual face.
It's actually a little creepy.

A "little"?

370 opnion  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:17:03am

Bernanke was on 60 Minutes last night talking about how to get out of this financial mess.
Not making light of a serious illness, but it reminded me of Magic Johnson writing that book on how to avoid Aids.
Beranke's expertise is how to get INTO a financial mess..

371 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:19:55am

There's a flaming idiot on Fox right now. Spouting a mish-mash of psychobabble.

372 opnion  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:20:03am

re: #369 MandyManners

A "little"?

Ok, more than a little. Paddy O'bama!

373 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:20:27am

re: #370 opnion

Bernanke was on 60 Minutes last night talking about how to get out of this financial mess.
Not making light of a serious illness, but it reminded me of Magic Johnson writing that book on how to avoid Aids.
Beranke's expertise is how to get INTO a financial mess..

Yeah but, he's as cute as a bug in a rug.

374 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:20:40am

re: #372 opnion

Ok, more than a little. Paddy O'bama!

Barack Zelig Obama

375 rightside  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:20:42am

OT

Here is an illustration of the ranges of the NORK missiles I sent to Michelle Malkin back in '06 when they were "testing" them.

However, the illustration seem to be at odds with this one.

Either way, I say err on the side of caution. It will fly over Japan, it will be very interesting to see if they shoot it down, as promised.

3am phone call: ohio, obama-san....

376 rightside  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:21:50am

re: #371 MandyManners

Geithner got up this early to do F&F?

377 SteveC  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:21:59am

re: #370 opnion

Not making light of a serious illness, but it reminded me of Magic Johnson writing that book on how to avoid Aids.

Book? It took a whole book to say "Wrap that sucker!" ?!?!?!

Rather verbose, isn't he?

378 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:22:06am

re: #375 rightside

3am phone call: ohio, obama-san....

Obama has those calls forwared to his international "expert", Joe foot in mouth Biden

379 opnion  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:22:22am

re: #373 MandyManners

Yeah but, he's as cute as a bug in a rug.

Now, he looks like a leprechan.

380 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:23:10am

Jimmy Rabbitte: (trying to explain why they can do soul music)

Do you not get it, lads? The Irish are the blacks of Europe. And Dubliners are the blacks of Ireland. And the Northside Dubliners are the blacks of Dublin. So say it once, say it loud: I'm black and I'm proud.

-The Committments

381 SteveC  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:23:18am

re: #371 MandyManners

There's a flaming idiot on Fox right now. Spouting a mish-mash of psychobabble.

Why can't we try Geothermal as an alternative power source? We have an over abundance of flaming idiots, on both sides. Make 'em useful!

382 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:23:43am

re: #376 rightside

Geithner got up this early to do F&F?

LOL!

It was some twit who talked about purpose and Tao.

383 opnion  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:23:47am

re: #377 SteveC

Book? It took a whole book to say "Wrap that sucker!" ?!?!?!

Rather verbose, isn't he?

I don't think that Magic's book sold very well.

384 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:24:16am

re: #379 opnion

Now, he looks like a leprechan.

Dye his beard?

385 SteveC  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:25:14am

Good morning!

Charles, may I stick a fruitcup in my pocket for later? I've got a blood test today - have to fast beforehand. The gang may have eaten them up by the time I get back!

386 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:25:16am

re: #381 SteveC

Why can't we try Geothermal as an alternative power source? We have an over abundance of flaming idiots, on both sides. Make 'em useful!

Can we house them in a large building out of sight, out of hearing and out of mind?

387 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:25:50am

I gotta' go shake the stick of friendly persuasion at The Kid. bbl

388 opnion  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:25:52am

re: #384 MandyManners

Dye his beard?

Yeah, then he could do the Lucky Charms Commercials.

389 SteveC  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:25:52am

re: #386 MandyManners

Can we house them in a large building out of sight, out of hearing and out of mind?

NIMBY! :)

390 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:25:56am

re: #381 SteveC

Wind-bags/back-pedaling- two untapped sources of great power.

391 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:26:05am

re: #386 MandyManners

Can we house them in a large building out of sight, out of hearing and out of mind?

Gitmo should be empty within a year!

392 rightside  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:27:07am

re: #378 sattv4u2

God help us.

Greasy joe: Hey, you got North Korea's website number?

393 SteveC  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:29:24am

re: #392 rightside

Greasy joe: Hey, you got North Korea's website number?

1-800-Kim-be-Illing

Word to your mutha!

394 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:29:31am

re: #392 rightside

God help us.

Greasy joe: Hey, you got North Korea's website number?

maybe he can persuade the Gargoyle Image: North-Korean-leader-Kim-Jong-Il.jpg to retire to

395 rightside  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:31:42am

re: #394 sattv4u2

Can see the hilarious image, but youtube is a no-no here. Thanks though.

396 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:32:48am

re: #395 rightside

Can see the hilarious image, but youtube is a no-no here. Thanks though.

It's Biden,, drunk, mimicking The Villages Retirement Complex ad

397 rightside  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:38:13am

re: #396 sattv4u2

I've seen one like that where he is next to some water, he's drunk and singing, but can't remember what. Wonder if there was more than one!

398 VioletTiger  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:39:24am

On Fox, a former CNN reporter is now president of El Salvador. Let's see, can we find some other countries to take some CNN and MSNBC reporters?

399 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:40:27am

re: #397 rightside

I've seen one like that where he is next to some water, he's drunk and singing, but can't remember what. Wonder if there was more than one!

Thats the one.

400 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:41:03am

re: #398 VioletTiger

On Fox, a former CNN reporter is now president of El Salvador. Let's see, can we find some other countries to take some CNN and MSNBC reporters?

North Korea and Cuba are close to needing new leaders

401 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:41:13am

Good Morning Lizards!

It is a nice day here in CT. Expected to get up around 50 degrees. Spring is coming!

402 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:41:27am

re: #398 VioletTiger

On Fox, a former CNN reporter is now president of El Salvador. Let's see, can we find some other countries to take some CNN and MSNBC reporters?

Chris Matthews as President of Darfur?

403 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:43:13am

A Shotgun-Wedding Proposal

Is it really necessary for taxpayers to spend another dime on the TARP? We’ve already committed $700 billion, half of which was spent under Pres. Bush and half of which is coming under Pres. Obama. And now, as we wait with baited breath for Treasury-man Tim Geithner’s detailed plan to purchase bank toxic assets, the TARP could rise by another $1 trillion or more.

But we may not need it at all. Here’s why:

Out of the blue, bank stocks mounted an impressive rally this week, jumping nearly 40 percent on the S&P financial list. One after another, big-bank CEOs like Vikram Pandit of Citi, Ken Lewis of BofA, and Jamie Dimon of JPMorgan are telling investors they will turn a handsome profit in the first quarter, their best money gain since 2007. This is big news. And it triggered the first weekly stock gain for the Obama administration.

But this anticipated-profits turnaround doesn’t seem to have anything to do with the TARP. It’s about something called the Treasury yield curve -- a medical diagnostic chart for banks and the economy.

Read the whole thing. It is very interesting.

404 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:45:58am

re: #401 Ford_Prefect

Good Morning Lizards!

It is a nice day here in CT. Expected to get up around 50 degrees. Spring is coming!

Cannot come soon enough, in my opinion.

405 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:46:05am

re: #401 Ford_Prefect

Good Morning Lizards!

It is a nice day here in CT. Expected to get up around 50 degrees. Spring is coming!

Morning Ford

406 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:47:59am

re: #401 Ford_Prefect

Good Morning Lizards!

It is a nice day here in CT. Expected to get up around 50 degrees. Spring is coming!


Sorry, but I see bleak weather for another, oh 1406 days or so

[Link: obamaclock.org...]

407 UncleRancher  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:48:09am

re: #403 Ford_Prefect

G'mornin' Lizards! It's going to be a GREAT week!

From the article:
Fed head Ben Bernanke said the inverted yield curve wouldn’t matter. Gosh was he wrong.

y' Think?

408 VioletTiger  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:48:16am

re: #401 Ford_Prefect

Good Morning Lizards!

It is a nice day here in CT. Expected to get up around 50 degrees. Spring is coming!


Morning. Sun is out here, too and temps are about the same. Robins are already here.

409 UncleRancher  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:49:43am

Still dark here. Lost most of the snow yesterday in light rain.

410 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:50:03am

re: #407 UncleRancher

Are they lying cork-sockers, or just dumb?

Wait, don't answer that.

411 UncleRancher  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:51:13am

re: #410 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Are they lying cork-sockers, or just dumb?

Wait, don't answer that.

Doesn't matter, really. Either one gives the wrong answer.

412 outsidephilly  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:51:27am

re: #401 Ford_Prefect

Good Morning Lizards!

It is a nice day here in CT. Expected to get up around 50 degrees. Spring is coming!


50 degrees - - maybe we'll see those temps in the near future!

413 rightside  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:51:35am

re: #410 Fat Bastard Vegetarian


You fargin' icehole, I gonna fargin keel you, cork-socker!

414 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:51:37am

re: #410 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Are they lying cork-sockers, or just dumb?

Yes.

415 outsidephilly  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:53:04am

morning ((Wyatt))

416 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:53:21am

re: #413 rightside

Awful movie... great character!

417 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:54:36am

re: #415 outsidephilly

morning ((Wyatt))

Good morning! Sorry I haven't been around, but my daughter was really sick.

418 outsidephilly  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:55:35am

re: #417 Wyatt Earp

Good morning! Sorry I haven't been around, but my daughter was really sick.


That nasty flu going around?

419 rightside  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:56:52am

re: #416 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It was, but had it's moments.

Fargin' war!

Danny Vermin:"It's an 88 magnum. It goes through schools."

420 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:57:45am

re: #418 outsidephilly

That nasty flu going around?

I had it, my 8-year old son had it, then she (3 months) old caught it. Or so we thought. She had a fever of 103, and our pediatrician said to take her to the hospital. After tests, they found she had a urinary tract infection. She spent three days there. Just came home late Saturday night.

Terrible week.

421 VioletTiger  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 5:59:00am

re: #415 outsidephilly

So which side of Philly are you on, to the right or to the left?

422 VioletTiger  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:00:18am

re: #420 Wyatt Earp

Glad to hear your daughter is better. I hadn't heard about a flu going around. Nobody seems sick on this side of the river.

423 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:00:35am

re: #421 VioletTiger

So which side of Philly are you on, to the right or to the left?

Far right. :) Of course, my vote is always wasted, but it's still fun to poke the Dems with a stick.

424 outsidephilly  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:00:35am

re: #420 Wyatt Earp


oh my, you all must be exhausted! The poor little baby, in the hospital -- how's the 'new' mom holding up?

425 outsidephilly  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:01:35am

re: #421 VioletTiger

So which side of Philly are you on, to the right or to the left?

ofcourse, the right side -- Granite Run Mall

426 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:01:40am

re: #422 VioletTiger

Glad to hear your daughter is better. I hadn't heard about a flu going around. Nobody seems sick on this side of the river.


Thanks. Most of us in the Northeast have had it (and passed it back around), but a lot of detectives in my division haven't caught it.

427 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:01:42am

re: #419 rightside

Hey, was it in Johnny Dangerously where the guy was sitting at the bar, sneaking one pickled egg (*shudder) after another from the jar on the bar. Bartender sees another guy about to get one and says, "Oh! Don't eat those, they went bad two weeks ago"

428 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:02:24am

re: #420 Wyatt Earp

Trusting she's okay, I hope you can get some rest.

429 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:03:03am

re: #424 outsidephilly

oh my, you all must be exhausted! The poor little baby, in the hospital -- how's the 'new' mom holding up?

Doing okay. We're all exhausted, but thankful she's back home. She's our only daughter.

430 outsidephilly  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:03:46am

re: #426 Wyatt Earp

Thanks. Most of us in the Northeast have had it (and passed it back around), but a lot of detectives in my division haven't caught it.


. . . . , haven't caught it, YET!

It, the flu-bug, seems to be packaged with extreme fatigue symptoms that last for quite some time (weeks)

431 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:04:01am

re: #428 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Trusting she's okay, I hope you can get some rest.

She has to take oral antibiotics for another month, but she's home and doing well. It's my first day back to work since.

432 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:05:06am

re: #420 Wyatt Earp

I had it, my 8-year old son had it, then she (3 months) old caught it. Or so we thought. She had a fever of 103, and our pediatrician said to take her to the hospital. After tests, they found she had a urinary tract infection. She spent three days there. Just came home late Saturday night.

Terrible week.

Thank God they're both better. And Thank great parents for taking her to the pediatrician, and for the ped. to send her to the hospital.

433 outsidephilly  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:05:19am

re: #429 Wyatt Earp

Doing okay. We're all exhausted, but thankful she's back home. She's our only daughter.


SIGH
Hope ya'll will be able to get some much needed rest now, let me know if you need anything . . . .

434 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:05:45am

re: #430 outsidephilly

. . . . , haven't caught it, YET!

It, the flu-bug, seems to be packaged with extreme fatigue symptoms that last for quite some time (weeks)


I still don't have my apetite back, and the cough is still here, but yes, the fatigue has never left. Crummy way to feel.

435 rightside  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:05:46am

re: #427 Fat Bastard Vegetarian


I think so, it's been 20-some years since I've seen it. I'll have to add it to my netflix queue

436 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:05:54am

Cheney hits Obama policy on terrorism

*snips

The Obama administration has made the country more vulnerable to a terrorist attack by changing interrogation and detention policies and combating terrorism through law enforcement action rather than treating it like a war, former Vice President Dick Cheney said

Citing "enhanced interrogation" techniques, government wiretapping and other Bush initiatives as instrumental in preventing terrorist attacks, Mr. Cheney said that rolling back those programs will undermine U.S. intelligence gathering.

"I think those programs were absolutely essential to the success we enjoyed of being able to collect the intelligence that let us defeat all further attempts to launch attacks against the United States since 9/11,"

"President Obama campaigned against it all across the country. And now he is making some choices that, in my mind, will, in fact, raise the risk to the American people of another attack," Mr. Cheney said.

"We made a decision after 9/11 that I think was crucial. We said, 'This is a war - it's not a law enforcement problem,' " Mr. Cheney said. "Once you go into a wartime situation and it's a strategic threat, then you use all of your assets to go after the enemy ... you use your intelligence resources, your military resources, your financial resources, everything you can in order to shut down that terrorist threat against you.

"When you go back to the law enforcement mode, which is what I sense they're doing, closing Guantanamo and so forth, they are very much giving up that center of attention and focus that's required, and that concept of military threat that's essential if you're going to successfully defend the nation against further attacks," he said.

Sure is a startling contrast between former and current VP's isn't there?

437 outsidephilly  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:06:27am

re: #431 Wyatt Earp

She has to take oral antibiotics for another month, but she's home and doing well. It's my first day back to work since.


You're in my prayers, your family, your department . . . . . .

438 VioletTiger  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:06:30am

re: #425 outsidephilly

ofcourse, the right side -- Granite Run Mall


Well, I'm really far to the right...the Jersey side.

439 yochanan  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:06:45am

re: #410 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Are they lying cork-sockers, or just dumb?

Wait, don't answer that.

BOTH!

440 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:07:05am

re: #432 sattv4u2

Thank God they're both better. And Thank great parents for taking her to the pediatrician, and for the ped. to send her to the hospital.

Between Thursday and Saturday, I had 6 hours sleep. We have another infant - 13 months - and he knew Mom wasn't around, so he was extra miserable.

441 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:07:33am

re: #437 outsidephilly

You're in my prayers, your family, your department . . . . . .

Thank you very much.

442 outsidephilly  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:09:20am

re: #434 Wyatt Earp

I still don't have my apetite back, and the cough is still here, but yes, the fatigue has never left. Crummy way to feel.


Up your protein intake with wise choices, i.e., eggs, fish.
Increase your fluid intake, i.e., water, juice, ease up on coffee.

That will help you get your UMPH back!

443 outsidephilly  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:10:16am

re: #438 VioletTiger

Well, I'm really far to the right...the Jersey side.


Jersey -- how nice! Over the river and through the woods . . . . .

444 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:10:31am

re: #441 Wyatt Earp

Sorry to hear about the flu. Hang tough, buddy.

445 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:10:37am

re: #442 outsidephilly

Up your protein intake with wise choices, i.e., eggs, fish.
Increase your fluid intake, i.e., water, juice, ease up on coffee.

That will help you get your UMPH back!

I've been keeping Gatorade in business, as I have been alternating between that and water.

446 Big Steve  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:12:49am

well this explains a lot of the punning that goes on at LGF.....Geeks

447 rightside  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:13:19am

WTF!?

Crocodile Snatches 11-Year-Old, Police Find Remains

I don't know about you, but this seems to happen more often. I am pretty sure a toddler was killed recently in the same manner. I would not take my family anwhere near water there.

What a freakin' tragedy!

Can you just imagine the horror!

448 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:13:51am

re: #420 Wyatt Earp

I had it, my 8-year old son had it, then she (3 months) old caught it. Or so we thought. She had a fever of 103, and our pediatrician said to take her to the hospital. After tests, they found she had a urinary tract infection. She spent three days there. Just came home late Saturday night.

Terrible week.

Sorry to hear about that. Really s*cks when your kids are sick. Sometimes you feel so helpless to do anything about it. I'm glad she is doing better.

449 outsidephilly  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:15:14am

re: #445 Wyatt Earp

I've been keeping Gatorade in business, as I have been alternating between that and water.


This bug's long lasting vague, symptoms are quite frustrating!
Lack of appetite
extreme fatigue

Again, up your protein intake -- pop a hard boiled egg in your mouth rather than a donut & coffee.

450 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:15:18am

re: #446 Big Steve

well this explains a lot of the punning that goes on at LGF.....Geeks

Hey! I resemble that remark!

451 Big Steve  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:16:47am

re: #450 Ford_Prefect

Hey! I resemble that remark!


I was thinking about you and about a million other LGF'rs.....we are a punny lot.

452 outsidephilly  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:16:56am

bbiab

453 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:17:10am
454 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:17:15am

re: #446 Big Steve

well this explains a lot of the punning that goes on at LGF.....Geeks

Wow, I use "frak" all the time.

455 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:17:27am

re: #447 rightside

WTF!?

Crocodile Snatches 11-Year-Old, Police Find Remains

I don't know about you, but this seems to happen more often. I am pretty sure a toddler was killed recently in the same manner. I would not take my family anwhere near water there.

What a freakin' tragedy!

Can you just imagine the horror!

From the article:

Crocodiles have become plentiful in Australia's tropical north since they became protected by federal law in 1971.

Once again government intervention in the natural order of things causes more problems than it could ever solve.

456 razorbacker  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:17:30am

re: #19 Killian Bundy

People will post anything on the You Tubes.

/suck it up LGFers!

You, Sir, have provided a much needed public service, and are to be heartily applauded.

As one who often suffers from insomnia, the knowledge that relief is only a mouse-click away is comforting.

457 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:19:25am

Morning all.
Any Detroit Tigers fans in the house? I just read that Magglio Ordonez was roundly booed at the WBC because of his outspoken support/campaigning for Hugo Chavez. He's officially on my shit list now. I'm sure it'll break his heart when I pass him over in my Fantasy draft.
Oh, and my lovely local paper described Chavez as "left-leaning". What would he have to do to actually BE a Leftist, I wonder?

458 VioletTiger  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:19:33am

re: #447 rightside

Doesn't sound like the right place for a swim. Tragic.

459 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:20:22am

re: #457 Lincolntf

Morning all.
Any Detroit Tigers fans in the house? I just read that Magglio Ordonez was roundly booed at the WBC because of his outspoken support/campaigning for Hugo Chavez. He's officially on my shit list now. I'm sure it'll break his heart when I pass him over in my Fantasy draft.
Oh, and my lovely local paper described Chavez as "left-leaning". What would he have to do to actually BE a Leftist, I wonder?

Sounds like they would describe Josef Stalin as "slightly left," too.

460 Big Steve  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:20:31am

re: #454 Wyatt Earp

Wow, I use "frak" all the time.


like in "what the Frak?"

461 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:21:07am

re: #456 razorbacker

You, Sir, have provided a much needed public service, and are to be heartily applauded.

As one who often suffers from insomnia, the knowledge that relief is only a mouse-click away is comforting.

I don't know what you mean. I thought that was rather fascina...zzzzzzzzz

462 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:21:09am
463 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:21:32am

re: #453 buzzsawmonkey

The rivers are full of crocodile nasties
And he who made kittens put snakes in the grass....

464 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:21:38am

re: #460 Big Steve

like in "what the Frak?"

Yes. I an a complete and utter nerd.

465 UncleRancher  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:21:59am

Tech Support: "I need you to right-click on the Open Desktop."

Customer: "OK."

Tech Support: "Did you get a pop-up menu?"
Customer: "No."

Tech Support: "OK. Right-Click again. Do you see a pop-up menu?"

Customer: "No."

Tech Support: "OK, sir. Can you tell me what you have done up until this point?"

Customer: "Sure. You told me to write 'click' and I wrote 'click'."

466 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:22:33am
467 razorbacker  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:23:25am

re: #447 rightside

I know it's not nearly the ferocious killer that a salt-water croc is, but the American alligator has made a comeback in the southern reaches of Arkansas.

I know of one person who lost their dog to one.

Alligators in Arkansas are not new, but rather a return to what once was. As the countryside emptys out once again, species that had been pushed out return. That, and the AGFC is seeking to return as many species of animal to the state that they can.

468 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:24:00am
469 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:24:06am

re: #465 UncleRancher

Tech Support: "I need you to right-click on the Open Desktop."

Customer: "OK."

Tech Support: "Did you get a pop-up menu?"
Customer: "No."

Tech Support: "OK. Right-Click again. Do you see a pop-up menu?"

Customer: "No."

Tech Support: "OK, sir. Can you tell me what you have done up until this point?"

Customer: "Sure. You told me to write 'click' and I wrote 'click'."

Tech Support: Head slams into desk.

470 rightside  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:24:48am

re: #463 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Jethro Tull!

Wow, this site crashed for me after my last post, took this long to get back here. hmmm....

471 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:25:36am

re: #455 Ford_Prefect

re: #447 rightside


Once again government intervention in the natural order of things causes more problems than it could ever solve.

Someone somewhere tell me WHy it wouild be such a "tragedy" if some species become extinct? Would the world REALLY be worse off if there were no pandas? Would the situation in Darfur be WORSE? Would Paraguay wage war against Hungary because the spotted snail darter no loger was around? Sorry, I just don't get it !

472 nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:25:40am

My youngest daughter's school is going to the Big Dance and is going to play Duke in the Opening Round Thursday night. I hope she gets in a little studying along with all the partying that is going on?

473 VioletTiger  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:25:42am

re: #467 razorbacker

I just read a note from somebody saying a coyote ran away with her cat. Really sad. I keep mine indoors. I've heard that there have been coyote sitings in south NJ, but cars are more likely to kill animals here.

474 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:26:14am

Pretty freakin' dark/happy lyrics....

Just say a word and the boys will be right there,
with claws at your back to send a chill through the night air.
Is it so frightening to have me at your shoulder?
Thunder and lightning couldn't be bolder.
I'll write on your tombstone, "I thank you for dinner.''
This game that we animals play is a winner.

475 nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:26:54am

re: #473 VioletTiger

I just read a note from somebody saying a coyote ran away with her cat. Really sad. I keep mine indoors. I've heard that there have been coyote sitings in south NJ, but cars are more likely to kill animals here.

Nobody is getting a hold of my 3 cats unless they get inside. Of course we don't lock our doors so ya never know?

476 VioletTiger  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:27:16am

re: #472 nevergiveup

My youngest daughter's school is going to the Big Dance and is going to play Duke in the Opening Round Thursday night. I hope she gets in a little studying along with all the partying that is going on?

Try not to hope too much.......you'll likely be disappointed./

477 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:27:23am

Where is JCM and Winston06?

GROOOOVY All Persian Radio from Israel.

478 nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:28:16am

re: #476 VioletTiger

Try not to hope too much.......you'll likely be disappointed./

Hey I'm a UNC fan so.....

479 Alberta Oil Peon  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:28:30am

re: #104 Gus 802

Usually I would associate curry with the UK. Not Spain, France, or Germany. I'm still trying to put together an association between Obama and chicken fingers. It's a bit like selling Nixon Fingers, or Clinton Cereal. Are Europeans that stupid?

Next up from this company: Barney Franks.

Don't eat 'em. You don't know where they've been.

480 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:29:00am

re: #471 sattv4u2

re: #447 rightside

Once again government intervention in the natural order of things causes more problems than it could ever solve.

Someone somewhere tell me WHy it wouild be such a "tragedy" if some species become extinct? Would the world REALLY be worse off if there were no pandas? Would the situation in Darfur be WORSE? Would Paraguay wage war against Hungary because the spotted snail darter no loger was around? Sorry, I just don't get it !

It would only be a problem if the extinction came because of unnatural intervention. If the balance of predator to prey is thrown off it can really wreak havoc on the environment. The problem with government intervention is that they always go too far.

481 nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:29:34am

So I read Ron Silver passed away from cancer and Imus has prostate cancer?

482 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:29:52am

re: #478 nevergiveup

Hey I'm a UNC fan so.....

My Alma mater, Saint Joseph's, didn't even make it. Lousy choke artists.

483 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:29:55am

Later Lizards see you in a bit.

484 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:30:41am

re: #472 nevergiveup

My youngest daughter's school is going to the Big Dance and is going to play Duke in the Opening Round Thursday night. I hope she gets in a little studying along with all the partying that is going on?

She will do plenty of studying. All those players stats are really important to know when you watch a game.

485 eon  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:30:42am

re: #446 Big Steve

well this explains a lot of the punning that goes on at LGF.....Geeks

Good morning, Lizards.

D**n, I hit almost every frickin' one of those. My two-story house was taken over by my library/video library/comic book collection/RPG collection/gaming figures/action figures/ unbuilt model kit inventory years ago. About the only thing on the list I don't have are the geeky T-shirts.

Oh, right- and a spouse.

I wonder if there's a connection?

/Only a true geek knows the operating instructions for the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch by heart.

cheers

eon

486 UncleRancher  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:32:01am

Customer: "I've been calling 700-1000 for two days and can't get through; can you help?"

Operator: "Where did you get that number, sir?"

Customer: "It's on the door of your business."

Operator: "Sir, those are the hours that we are open."

487 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:32:06am

re: #480 Ford_Prefect

It would only be a problem if the extinction came because of unnatural intervention. If the balance of predator to prey is thrown off it can really wreak havoc on the environment. The problem with government intervention is that they always go too far.

Not really. Nature abhors a vacuum. The predator would just seek a new source of prey if the prey became extinct, OR, the prey would fall to a new predator if the predotor no longer was around!

488 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:32:22am
489 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:32:22am

re: #483 Erik The Red

Later Lizards see you in a bit.

Later Erik.

490 nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:32:33am

re: #482 Wyatt Earp

My Alma mater, Saint Joseph's, didn't even make it. Lousy choke artists.

My daughter goes to the State University Of NY at Binghamton. They just became Division 1 in 2001. This is their first fore into the tournament. They are all pretty excited up there.

491 rightside  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:32:57am

re: #471 sattv4u2

I don't know either. It boggles the mind. I'm guessing millions of species have come and gone over the millenia. That's not to say we should force their extinction, but I have to believe as one goes, another comes.

492 nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:34:03am

re: #484 Ford_Prefect

She will do plenty of studying. All those players stats are really important to know when you watch a game.

She is not much of a sports fan, so from what I gather, she makes the food runs for her floor during the game. It does make her popular, but I can't wait to see my credit card next month?

493 razorbacker  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:34:20am

re: #473 VioletTiger

Brother coyote is a tenacious, cunning hunter that will eat just about anything. He also seems to be able to adapt to human habitat well.

Doesn't have the admiring press that the wolf enjoys, so you don't see the usual suspects clamoring for protection for coyotes.

494 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:35:04am

Mornin' all. AIG got our money, and is going to give it to piss poor performing execs. Nice deal.

495 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:35:30am

re: #490 nevergiveup

My daughter goes to the State University Of NY at Binghamton. They just became Division 1 in 2001. This is their first fore into the tournament. They are all pretty excited up there.

As they should be. It's a great accomplishment to make The Dance.

496 nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:35:30am

re: #494 pingjockey

Mornin' all. AIG got our money, and is going to give it to piss poor performing execs. Nice deal.

How does one get one of them jobs?

497 eon  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:35:35am

re: #487 sattv4u2

Not really. Nature abhors a vacuum. The predator would just seek a new source of prey if the prey became extinct, OR, the prey would fall to a new predator if the predotor no longer was around!

Which handily explains coyotes' Alf-like appetite for felis domesticus.

(Coyote reasoning; "Hmm. Small. Furry. Fast. Yep, it's on the menu!")

/Believe it or not, we have coyotes here in OH. Apparently, they have no problem using bridges to cross rivers- even the Missouri and Ol' Miss.

cheers

eon

498 UncleRancher  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:35:42am

re: #490 nevergiveup

My daughter goes to the State University Of NY at Binghamton. They just became Division 1 in 2001. This is their first fore into the tournament. They are all pretty excited up there.

Neighbor kid just set a new record for most rebounds in a game at the state tournament last week. Terrific player!

499 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:36:18am

re: #488 Iron Fist

Just to speak as one of the geeks, I never fucking use "pretend" bullshit to disguise my fucking intent to offend unfortunate verbiage, though. I am doing better. when some motherfucker cuts me off in traffic, I don't like, fucking yell curse words at him. What's the fucking point? By tirade ends when I get to "Smith and Wesson".

See, I am fit to move in fucking high society 'n shit. Like I was born to the fucking manner or something.

Wow, that was extremely eloquent! :)

500 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:36:20am
501 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:36:21am

re: #487 sattv4u2

Not really. Nature abhors a vacuum. The predator would just seek a new source of prey if the prey became extinct, OR, the prey would fall to a new predator if the predotor no longer was around!

There are plenty of people out there smarter and more knowledgeable than me about this sort of thing, but I know there have been cases where human intervention has caused one or more species to disappear and the result was disastrous for the environment. Sometimes there just isn't a 'replacement' for the missing piece.

502 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:36:39am

re: #493 razorbacker
Coyotes are amazingly adaptable. They're using the runoff canals and ditches is SoCal as paths and trails to navigate the urban environment.

503 nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:36:57am

re: #495 Wyatt Earp

As they should be. It's a great accomplishment to make The Dance.

And it does bring in money to the school. I think just playing Duke in the first round should garner the School almost One Million Dollars from the TV money.

504 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:37:01am

re: #494 pingjockey

Mornin' all. AIG got our money, and is going to give it to piss poor performing execs. Nice deal.

Well if they don't retain them, Obama will hire them. Certainly they will do less damage at AIG.

505 VioletTiger  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:37:23am

re: #493 razorbacker

Brother coyote is a tenacious, cunning hunter that will eat just about anything. He also seems to be able to adapt to human habitat well.

Doesn't have the admiring press that the wolf enjoys, so you don't see the usual suspects clamoring for protection for coyotes.

I am always surprised to hear that people have spotted them around here. In the wilds of south NJ we have wild turkeys, hawks, turkey buzzards, even wild (feral) pigs. But coyotes? Where did they come from? I thought that was a western critter.

506 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:37:51am

re: #496 nevergiveup
Don't have a clue. Must need an MBA and no common sense.

507 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:38:01am

re: #496 nevergiveup

How does one get one of them jobs?

You have to be really good at fucking things up.

508 UncleRancher  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:38:14am

It's time to go feed the livestock. Keep a steady strain on it.

509 razorbacker  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:38:29am

re: #494 pingjockey

Mornin' all. AIG got our money, and is going to give it to piss poor performing execs. Nice deal.

WTH? They're giving it back to Congress? That don't seem right.

510 VioletTiger  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:38:33am

re: #492 nevergiveup

She is not much of a sports fan, so from what I gather, she makes the food runs for her floor during the game. It does make her popular, but I can't wait to see my credit card next month?

It's one of those once-in-a-life-time things. Bet she will remmber the event long after college is over.

511 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:38:42am

re: #504 soxfan4life
That's one way to look at it!

512 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:39:32am

re: #509 razorbacker
Mwahahaha! Congress/AIG what's the difference? Asshats all.

513 quickjustice  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:39:53am

re: #493 razorbacker

My sister-in-law in Connecticut doesn't let her cats out. The coyotes like them as snacks.

514 nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:39:55am

re: #507 Ford_Prefect

You have to be really good at fucking things up.

I could fake ( well of don't really need to fake it?) that.

515 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:40:15am

re: #505 VioletTiger

I am always surprised to hear that people have spotted them around here. In the wilds of south NJ we have wild turkeys, hawks, turkey buzzards, even wild (feral) pigs. But coyotes? Where did they come from? I thought that was a western critter.


Not sure if they still do it, but the State of Maine used to pay a bounty for coyotes.

516 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:40:22am

re: #482 Wyatt Earp

This bubble team chat reminds me of a random fact I just learned. I was talking to my wife last night and she pointed out that she taught Jon Favreau(sp?), Obama's speechwriter, when he was a student at Holy Cross. All she said was that he seemed bright and polite. She remembers him taking some time off to campaign for Kerry and being all excited about it.

517 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:41:34am

re: #514 nevergiveup

I could fake ( well of don't really need to fake it?) that.

I guess you could just spend all day on lgf and not get any work done.... wait...

518 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:41:34am

re: #516 Lincolntf

This bubble team chat reminds me of a random fact I just learned. I was talking to my wife last night and she pointed out that she taught Jon Favreau(sp?), Obama's speechwriter, when he was a student at Holy Cross. All she said was that he seemed bright and polite. She remembers him taking some time off to campaign for Kerry and being all excited about it.

So he was the one guy who was excited about the Kerry campaign?

519 littleoldlady  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:42:19am

/driveby on

Can you say TANKS VERY MUCH?

/I knew you could! :-)

And FYI - The "left" side of Philadelphia is in the middle of the Delaware River.

Not that there's anything wrong with that...

/driveby off

520 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:42:22am

re: #500 Iron Fist

Extinction is just evolution in action. Adapt or die is the whole basis for the Theory of Evolution. Take that pressure, and mankind would be stuck at the evolutionary level of Rosie O'Donnel for, like, forever man. That would be a catastrophe of epic proportions.

It would be better to become extinct than let that happen.

Did someone say "Rosie"?

521 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:42:33am

re: #516 Lincolntf

This bubble team chat reminds me of a random fact I just learned. I was talking to my wife last night and she pointed out that she taught Jon Favreau(sp?), Obama's speechwriter, when he was a student at Holy Cross. All she said was that he seemed bright and polite. She remembers him taking some time off to campaign for Kerry and being all excited about it.

These two statements just don't fit.

522 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:42:44am

We have coyotes in central Massachusetts. We've seen them, and hear them regularly.
Nothing like a coyote howl to get all of our dogs howling as well.
But one is smart enough to want to get inside when a coyote howls - and he's a 57 lb standard poodle. He ran to the door and whimpered.
But inside, he'll howl with all the others.

Still, it hasn't gotten too bad; no empty Acme boxes lying around.
Maybe they're wily enough to recycle the boxes.

523 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:43:29am

re: #513 quickjustice
Heh. We have a tourist town here in Eastern Wa. Leavenworth. Lotsa Seattle people, micro soft millionaires, etc... There are coyotes and mountain lions right in/around town. The state a few years ago banned cougar hunting with dogs....Result, more cougars. So cats, dogs are a nice snack for a 100 lb mountain lion.

524 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:43:33am
525 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:43:34am

re: #520 MandyManners

Did someone say "Rosie"?

BRAIN BLEACH! STAT!

526 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:43:35am

re: #494 pingjockey

Mornin' all. AIG got our money, and is going to give it to piss poor performing execs. Nice deal.

Isn't the company bound by the contract to pay those bonuses?

527 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:43:41am
528 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:44:11am

re: #520 MandyManners
That was cruel!
You should be ashamed of your se......
Oh .....it was you Mandy!
LOL

529 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:45:00am

re: #522 Kosh's Shadow

We have coyotes in central Massachusetts. We've seen them, and hear them regularly.
Nothing like a coyote howl to get all of our dogs howling as well.
But one is smart enough to want to get inside when a coyote howls - and he's a 57 lb standard poodle. He ran to the door and whimpered.
But inside, he'll howl with all the others.

Still, it hasn't gotten too bad; no empty Acme boxes lying around.
Maybe they're wily enough to recycle the boxes.

Fisher Cats might be more dangerous to cats in Central MA. My wife saw a coyote recently, but refused to believe me when I told her that was what it was.

530 nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:45:26am

EU: Ties with Israel depend on its commitment to peace process

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

But whatever the murderous fucks on the other side do makes no matter, right? Fuck off EU!

531 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:45:51am

re: #521 Ford_Prefect

I know, but it's Massachusetts. The support for Kerry is a given, the politeness is the shocker.

532 rightside  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:46:45am

re: #520 MandyManners

That was uncalled for. *Shiver me timbers*

533 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:47:01am

re: #531 Lincolntf

I know, but it's Massachusetts. The support for Kerry is a given, the politeness is the shocker.

lol.

534 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:47:55am

re: #532 rightside

That was uncalled for. *Shiver me timbers*

If he saw the photo, Khalid Sheik Muhammed mightn have a winnable case against torture.

535 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:48:05am

re: #526 MandyManners

Isn't the company bound by the contract to pay those bonuses?

The greedy gouging bastards have it all nice and leeeeeeeeeegle.

536 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:48:35am

re: #526 MandyManners
I would think so. However, the way the ones admin is going, why couldn't he just issue an executive order saying "no bonuses you schmucks".
It's congress' fault. They gave out this money with NO frakkin' oversite. I don't blame the execs, it is in their contracts, but you'd think there would be a performance clause in their bonus package!

537 nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:48:37am

re: #534 soxfan4life

If he saw the photo, Khalid Sheik Muhammed mightn have a winnable case against torture.

Or at least libel.

538 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:48:45am

re: #528 reloadingisnotahobby

That was cruel!
You should be ashamed of your se......
Oh .....it was you Mandy!
LOL

I need a touch-up wax job on my back, don't I?

539 nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:49:51am

re: #536 pingjockey

I would think so. However, the way the ones admin is going, why couldn't he just issue an executive order saying "no bonuses you schmucks".
It's congress' fault. They gave out this money with NO frakkin' oversite. I don't blame the execs, it is in their contracts, but you'd think there would be a performance clause in their bonus package!

Oh I don't know, I think it was probably one hell of a performance?

540 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:50:06am
541 VioletTiger  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:50:33am

re: #517 Ford_Prefect

I guess you could just spend all day on lgf and not get any work done.... wait...


Hey, I resemble that remark.....

542 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:50:36am

re: #529 soxfan4life

Fisher Cats might be more dangerous to cats in Central MA. My wife saw a coyote recently, but refused to believe me when I told her that was what it was.

I've heard the fishers as well; they make a strange noise.
The only one I've seen is the stuffed one the vet has.
I know they're called "fisher cats" but they're in the weasel family.

Our larger dogs are probably safe from them, but the 4.5 - 5.5 lb dogs might be in trouble.

543 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:52:01am

re: #532 rightside

That was uncalled for. *Shiver me timbers*

544 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:52:13am

re: #530 nevergiveup

EU: Ties with Israel depend on its commitment to peace process committing suicide

Just tweaked that a little for you.

545 eon  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:52:34am

re: #530 nevergiveup

EU: Ties with Israel depend on its commitment to peace process

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

But whatever the murderous fucks on the other side do makes no matter, right? Fuck off EU!

Sort of "we only like you if you are willing to die", eh?

/deja' vu all over again, as some baseball coach used to say.

cheers

eon

546 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:52:44am

re: #535 Spare O'Lake

The greedy gouging bastards have it all nice and leeeeeeeeeegle.

Those bonuses were contracted before this shit hit the fan.

547 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:52:48am

re: #539 nevergiveup
Yep. On on par with A-Rods performances in the post season.

548 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:52:51am

re: #523 pingjockey


I asked a DWR Officer If I saw a Wolf could I shoot it?
He just winked and said" there are no Wolves in Utah Utah"

549 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:53:16am

re: #542 Kosh's Shadow

I've heard the fishers as well; they make a strange noise.
The only one I've seen is the stuffed one the vet has.
I know they're called "fisher cats" but they're in the weasel family.

Our larger dogs are probably safe from them, but the 4.5 - 5.5 lb dogs might be in trouble.

Definitely, Fisher Cats are alot meaner than coyotes. Of course we also have Black Bears in the area as well.While they are not apt to actively hunt pets, they certainly would overmatch them if it came to a fight.

550 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:53:32am

re: #536 pingjockey

I would think so. However, the way the ones admin is going, why couldn't he just issue an executive order saying "no bonuses you schmucks".
It's congress' fault. They gave out this money with NO frakkin' oversite. I don't blame the execs, it is in their contracts, but you'd think there would be a performance clause in their bonus package!

Performance clauses would seem to be the way to go for the next contracts.

551 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:53:54am

re: #530 nevergiveup

EU: Ties with Israel depend on its commitment to peace process

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

But whatever the murderous fucks on the other side do makes no matter, right? Fuck off EU!

So why don't they tell Hamas "No more money for Gaza unless you recognize Israel?"
I think I know - it is OK to kill Jews, and the Jews just have to like it.
I thought we defeated the Nazis in Europe. Turns out, the whole fraking continent is full of them.

552 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:54:36am

re: #548 reloadingisnotahobby

I asked a DWR Officer If I saw a Wolf could I shoot it?
He just winked and said" there are no Wolves in Utah Utah"

Just as easy to ask for forgiveness as it is permission.

553 nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:54:36am

re: #547 pingjockey

Yep. On on par with A-Rods performances in the post season.

Ah come on now, lets wait till the man can walk again?

554 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:54:39am

re: #550 MandyManners
That's what I'd think. So we're both probably wrong!

555 nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:55:55am

re: #551 Kosh's Shadow

So why don't they tell Hamas "No more money for Gaza unless you recognize Israel?"
I think I know - it is OK to kill Jews, and the Jews just have to like it.
I thought we defeated the Nazis in Europe. Turns out, the whole fraking continent is full of them.

I've known you long enough on LGFs to know you are well aware of the answer to that!

556 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:56:05am

re: #553 nevergiveup
Nope, no breaks for pay rod! I'm a Mariners fan. The whole "it's not about the money" when he left for Texas really pissed me off.

557 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:56:19am
558 VioletTiger  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:56:35am

re: #527 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nice!
(Cattula is a little jealous, though).

559 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:56:43am

Good Morning Lizards!
How is everyone this beautiful day?
/ Doing my brackets this morning...

560 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:57:00am
561 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:57:09am

re: #552 soxfan4life

A friend was calling Cyotes a couple months ago...
Called in a large female Mountian Lion......
He was hunting alone(bad idea)....
Shot it at 10-15 feet!Scared the shite out of him,but what could do?

562 realwest  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:57:39am

Good morning y'all - from a coolish (4 degrees going up to 48 degrees!) and very rainy Charlotte!
I'm doing ok today, how are y'all doing?

563 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:57:56am

re: #550 MandyManners

Performance clauses would seem to be the way to go for the next contracts.

How about a "no bonus pay for criminal negligence" clause?

564 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:58:05am

re: #548 reloadingisnotahobby

I asked a DWR Officer If I saw a Wolf could I shoot it?
He just winked and said" there are no Wolves in Utah"

That's the same policy Ahmadinejad adopts toward gays in Iran...

And good morning to all.

565 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:58:10am

re: #559 HoosierHoops
Good luck! Did you see the end of the Miss. State(IIRC) game? Last 9 sec took about 5 minutes!

566 nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:58:22am

re: #556 pingjockey

Nope, no breaks for pay rod! I'm a Mariners fan. The whole "it's not about the money" when he left for Texas really pissed me off.

I hate they guy so it's no skin off my back. If he could never play again and The Yankees have his contract insured ( I hope NOT with AIG ) I'd be OK with that!

567 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:58:33am

re: #564 Occasional Reader

That's the same policy Ahmadinejad adopts toward gays in Iran...

And good morning to all.

Yeah, and it's probably okay to shoot gays in Iran, too.

568 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:58:38am

re: #556 pingjockey

Nope, no breaks for pay rod! I'm a Mariners fan. The whole "it's not about the money" when he left for Texas really pissed me off.

Aren't the Mariners better off without him. Papelbon recently said Manny was a cancer in the clubhouse here in Boston, can't imagine A-Roid and his baggage is any better.

569 eon  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:58:38am

re: #549 soxfan4life

Definitely, Fisher Cats are alot meaner than coyotes. Of course we also have Black Bears in the area as well.While they are not apt to actively hunt pets, they certainly would overmatch them if it came to a fight.

Black bears are protected here in OH. I suspect they know this, as they tend to regard camp sites and garbage cans as fast-food places.

/Tear your trailer apart to get at your icebox, then sit down to munch, and grin at you while doing so.

So, is it safe to conclude that by the time the "enlightened ones" get done, the only unprotected species will be Homo Sapiens?

/Other than their own indispensable selves, of course.

cheers

eon

570 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:58:47am

re: #557 buzzsawmonkey

A Fisher Cat may look at the Fisher King.

But at what Fisher Price?

571 VioletTiger  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:58:50am

BBL, conference call.

Have a nice day lizards!

572 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:58:55am
573 realwest  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:59:17am

re: #564 Occasional Reader
Good morning Occasional Reader! How are you this fine morning?

574 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:59:30am

re: #554 pingjockey

That's what I'd think. So we're both probably wrong!

I often am.

575 rightside  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:59:35am

re: #543 MandyManners


LOL, I got him to say that now.

576 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:59:41am
577 nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:59:41am

re: #568 soxfan4life

Aren't the Mariners better off without him. Papelbon recently said Manny was a cancer in the clubhouse here in Boston, can't imagine A-Roid and his baggage is any better.

The word is the Yankee Clubhouse is doing great this Spring. I wonder why?

578 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:59:43am

re: #562 realwest
Mornin' RW. We had SNOW yesterday! Didn't stick and I bar b q'd steak right in the middle of the storm! Made it taste that much better.

579 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 6:59:58am

re: #549 soxfan4life

Definitely, Fisher Cats are alot meaner than coyotes. Of course we also have Black Bears in the area as well.While they are not apt to actively hunt pets, they certainly would overmatch them if it came to a fight.

And we've found bear tracks in our yard. We only feed birds now in midwinter when the bears are asleep.

580 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:00:04am

re: #576 buzzsawmonkey

I'll just toy with that thought a while.

As long as you don't Slinky away . . .

581 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:00:11am

re: #573 realwest

Good morning Occasional Reader! How are you this fine morning?

Okily dokily, neighborooni. You?

582 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:00:39am

re: #568 soxfan4life
You are probably right. Manny and A-Rod are a 3 ring circus.

583 realwest  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:00:40am

re: #567 Wyatt Earp
Howdy Wyatt - of course it's legal to shoot gays in Iran, there just aren't any gays in Iran to shoot! LOL!
How are you doing today? Started new shift today, right?

584 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:00:50am

Good morning, all.
Hoops, realwest ... hi there!

Does anyone know if jwb7605 is on vacation or something?
He hasn't posted since the end of February.

585 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:01:27am

re: #576 buzzsawmonkey

I'll just toy with that thought a while.

'K. B right over here if you need me.

586 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:01:30am

re: #583 realwest

Howdy Wyatt - of course it's legal to shoot gays in Iran, there just aren't any gays in Iran to shoot! LOL!
How are you doing today? Started new shift today, right?

Last day of the day shift. Missed most of this week - daughter was in the hospital.

587 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:01:35am

re: #561 reloadingisnotahobby

A friend was calling Cyotes a couple months ago...
Called in a large female Mountian Lion......
He was hunting alone(bad idea)....
Shot it at 10-15 feet!Scared the shite out of him,but what could do?


Some of those PETA and Animal Rights activists would just as soon the mountain lion won out. That's why some people also carry a sidearm, in case it gets too close.

588 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:01:49am

I don't know what to think about these bank/tarp bonuses.

There are a lot of (not-guilty) people who work at these banks and the bonuses are part of their compensation packages. Not fat cat guys, but some schmo who makes 100K, but, his reward system can have him set up to make 50/150K in bonuses.

If the place isn't being shut down, the failure to pay the bonuses (based on the employees package) will bankrupt individual employees.

Someone smarter than me who can help me understand?

589 nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:02:06am

re: #582 pingjockey

You are probably right. Manny and A-Rod are a 3 ring circus.

Manny is a 3 ring circus, but A-Rod is a Shakespearian Tragedy for any team that has him.

590 razorbacker  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:02:51am

I was talking to the local wildlife rescue folks and they tell me that the difference between coyotes and dogs boils down to difference in the teeth and a couple of other minor things. Hard to be sure, though.

I also was told that while deer will herd with, and even groom, housecats that they retain their fear of bobcats and still display the escape and avoidance traits of the animals in the wild.

591 nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:02:58am

re: #583 realwest

Howdy Wyatt - of course it's legal to shoot gays in Iran, there just aren't any gays in Iran to shoot! LOL!
How are you doing today? Started new shift today, right?

There aren't any gays in Iran because they don't hang around long enough?

592 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:03:29am

re: #565 pingjockey

Good luck! Did you see the end of the Miss. State(IIRC) game? Last 9 sec took about 5 minutes!

Dang If I didn't miss that game! dang..dang.dang!

593 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:03:41am

re: #579 Kosh's Shadow

re: #549 soxfan4life

Definitely, Fisher Cats are alot meaner than coyotes. Of course we also have Black Bears in the area as well.While they are not apt to actively hunt pets, they certainly would overmatch them if it came to a fight.

And we've found bear tracks in our yard. We only feed birds now in midwinter when the bears are asleep.

Yeah, yeah, whatever, I still have scarier local critters than any of y'all.

594 realwest  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:04:03am

re: #578 pingjockey
Good morning ping! Snow that doesn't stick is pretty, but I don't know about bbquing on the barbie in the snow - whether or not the snow is sticking! LOL! Maybe it just tasted better cause you thought you were defying Mother Nature or,more likely, Al Gore!

595 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:04:29am

re: #563 Spare O'Lake

How about a "no bonus pay for criminal negligence" clause?

Has anyone been charged and convicted of a crime?

596 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:05:00am

re: #593 Occasional Reader

AAUUGGHH!
Politician!
That sends a shiver down my spine and back!

597 yesandno  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:05:03am

re: #471 sattv4u2

re: #447 rightside


Once again government intervention in the natural order of things causes more problems than it could ever solve.

Someone somewhere tell me WHy it wouild be such a "tragedy" if some species become extinct? Would the world REALLY be worse off if there were no pandas? Would the situation in Darfur be WORSE? Would Paraguay wage war against Hungary because the spotted snail darter no loger was around? Sorry, I just don't get it !

#1 law of liberals and environmentalists.......

Law of unintended consequences.

Count on it, every time.

598 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:05:15am

re: #588 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If the place isn't being shut down, the failure to pay the bonuses (based on the employees package) will bankrupt individual employees.

Also, if they really are contractually obligated to pay the bonuses, the failure to pay them would just generate lawsuits against an already-shaky institution.

599 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:05:26am

re: #577 nevergiveup

The word is the Yankee Clubhouse is doing great this Spring. I wonder why?


How long until Jeter speaks out against him? I know he hasn't yet, and has stood behind him, but once this whole steroid thing is played out as well as the Madonna Drama, you would think Jeter would be at the end of his rope.While I am a Sox fan, I have always liked Jeter.

600 rightside  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:05:32am

Good Morning to all the recent arrivals.

601 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:05:38am
602 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:05:42am

re: #572 Iron Fist

Reminds me of joke...elderly man, sperm bank...been in room alone for over and hour...nurse finally knocks on the door to check on him...

He says, "I'm so embarrassed. Tried it with my left hand, tried it with my right hand, even tried with both hands..."

Nurse is about to interrupt...

He says, "...I just can't get the lid off this jar!"

603 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:05:44am

re: #596 reloadingisnotahobby

AAUUGGHH!
Politician!
That sends a shiver down my spine and back!

I've found Ted Kennedy tracks near my birdfeeder. Not a pretty sight.

604 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:06:03am

Already with the freakin' dryer buzzer this morning!

605 eon  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:06:08am

re: #587 soxfan4life

Some of those PETA and Animal Rights activists would just as soon the mountain lion won out. That's why some people also carry a sidearm, in case it gets too close.

Handguns are appropriate for calling coyotes, but for a cougar I'd prefer something a bit more emphatic. Like a 12-gauge loaded with Brenneke' slugs.

Or better yet, a rifle, from .308 on up to about .300 Win. Mag.

/Cougars fall under Keith's Third Law; Never bring a pistol to a rifle fight.

cheers

eon

606 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:06:47am

re: #593 Occasional Reader

Yeah, yeah, whatever, I still have scarier local critters than any of y'all.

Agreed. Although I'm not sure how they'll fare against the lions once the games start in the DC Coliseum.
/

607 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:07:01am

re: #591 nevergiveup

There aren't any gays in Iran because they don't hang around long enough?

And the few that show themselves do tend to hang around. Usually, from construction cranes.

It's a good thing we're "reaching out" to this regime, isn't it?

/

608 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:07:09am

re: #603 Occasional Reader

I've found Ted Kennedy tracks near my birdfeeder. Not a pretty sight.

I've found them near my bar!

609 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:07:19am

re: #594 realwest
Heh. We hadn't done the flame cooking thing for a while and Safeway had some really nice steaks on sale. Of course my 3 neanderthals were all for fire cooked meat! Used to, there were left overs. No more. 17, 15, 9. It's like feeding the Mongol horde!

610 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:07:30am

re: #598 Occasional Reader

It's just easy to stay mad at the fat cats, but we have to remember there are a bunch of peons in this too, who do their jobs very well.

611 CLLRusso  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:07:54am

re: #551 Kosh's Shadow

So why don't they tell Hamas "No more money for Gaza unless you recognize Israel?"
I think I know - it is OK to kill Jews, and the Jews just have to like it.
I thought we defeated the Nazis in Europe. Turns out, the whole fraking continent is full of them.

No kidding! Last night I attended a rally of the "Christians United for Israel" at one of those mega-churches. Pastor John Haggy was the speaker. Very rousing! There were several thousand people there and $75,000 dollars was raised to fund bomb shelters for Israeli's in southern Israel for protection from Hamas rocket and mortar attacks. (Someone gave a lot more money than I could!) I will write the EU and suggest that they change their bleeping script! Bastards!

612 realwest  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:08:09am

re: #581 Occasional Reader
"Okily dokily, neighborooni" ?!? Uh, say O.R., have y'all gotten something of a head start on St. Patrick's day?!
Anyway, glad to hear you're okily dokily this morning!

613 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:08:11am
614 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:08:22am

re: #601 buzzsawmonkey

Ha!
The guy that was watching Madoff for ten years(Ithink they call him Marco Polo)So he won't get "lead poisoning"!
Was on the radio this am...
Hundreds of brokers funneled money nowing full well it was a Ponzi sceme!
Said he has names and dates etc..

615 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:08:27am

re: #603 Occasional Reader

I've found Ted Kennedy tracks near my birdfeeder. Not a pretty sight.

Maybe you shouldn't keep booze or money in the birdfeeder.

616 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:08:30am

re: #603 Occasional Reader

I've found Ted Kennedy tracks near my birdfeeder. Not a pretty sight.

Bait him to a different location with a bottle of scotch, or a huge spending bill. He won't be able to resist.

617 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:08:51am

re: #603 Occasional Reader

Dropped his Martini olives?

618 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:10:02am

re: #612 realwest

"Okily dokily, neighborooni" ?!? Uh, say O.R., have y'all gotten something of a head start on St. Patrick's day?!
Anyway, glad to hear you're okily dokily this morning!

Morning Real. Friend of mine said that St. Patrick's Day is a celebration of being a good liver, not having one.

619 jjmckay1216  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:10:10am

re: #592 HoosierHoops

Dang If I didn't miss that game! dang..dang.dang!

it was a case of who gave away the ball last, lost. it was painful to watch

620 Beach Lover  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:11:31am

Morning Lizards....just got this in an email.
"Everythings amazing...Nobody's happy"
funny

621 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:11:35am

As for Ahamaninejad,
The only candidate to oppose incumbent Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in the upcoming June elections has withdrawn from the race.
Not that Khatami is that moderate.
But I guess he didn't want to hang around.

622 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:11:37am

Calling coyotes is just so 20th century. I prefer Tweeting them.

623 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:12:19am

re: #605 eon

Handguns are appropriate for calling coyotes, but for a cougar I'd prefer something a bit more emphatic. Like a 12-gauge loaded with Brenneke' slugs.

Or better yet, a rifle, from .308 on up to about .300 Win. Mag.

/Cougars fall under Keith's Third Law; Never bring a pistol to a rifle fight.

cheers

eon

Another shotgun fan. When I was in my twenties, a friend of mine shot a bear with 00 buck.A person at work didn't believe it and said the buckshot wouldn't penetrate the hide. But he wouldn't take up my offer when I said to wear the hide and I'd shoot him at 50 yards and count the holes after he took off the hide. There isn't anything on the continent that I wouldn't take on with a shotgun.

624 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:13:30am

re: #613 buzzsawmonkey
Heh.

625 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:13:56am

re: #623 soxfan4life

Took my first and only Cougar with a 41 Mag Revolver....
It was treed by the dogs....I'll never do it again!
No sport!

626 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:14:04am

re: #623 soxfan4life

Another shotgun fan. When I was in my twenties, a friend of mine shot a bear with 00 buck.A person at work didn't believe it and said the buckshot wouldn't penetrate the hide. But he wouldn't take up my offer when I said to wear the hide and I'd shoot him at 50 yards and count the holes after he took off the hide. There isn't anything on the continent that I wouldn't take on with a shotgun.

Suggest Mythbusters test it out. They like shooting things and blowing them up.

627 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:14:08am

re: #622 Occasional Reader

Calling coyotes is just so 20th century. I prefer Tweeting them.

Do you keep your javelina Horne among your hunting things, or on your CD shelf?

628 nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:14:16am

re: #599 soxfan4life

How long until Jeter speaks out against him? I know he hasn't yet, and has stood behind him, but once this whole steroid thing is played out as well as the Madonna Drama, you would think Jeter would be at the end of his rope.While I am a Sox fan, I have always liked Jeter.

He'll keep his mouth shut as long as A-Rod is on the team, but I am sure it drives him crazy.

629 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:14:25am

re: #619 jjmckay1216
It was very ugly!

630 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:14:27am

re: #623 soxfan4life

When I was in my twenties, a friend of mine shot a bear with 00 buck.A person at work didn't believe it and said the buckshot wouldn't penetrate the hide.

While I don't doubt one could take a bear with 00 buck, I'd rather not depend on it. I'd go with slugs.

631 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:15:05am

re: #622 Occasional Reader

Calling coyotes is just so 20th century. I prefer Tweeting them.

*OR in his back yard:

"I tawt I taw a putt tat coyote."

632 Athens Runaway  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:15:23am

I'd just like to pop in to wish you all a happy Saint Pancake's Day.

633 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:15:25am

re: #615 Kosh's Shadow

Maybe you shouldn't keep booze or money in the birdfeeder.

But I'm trying to attract Cardinals!

/best I could think of

634 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:15:30am

re: #628 nevergiveup

He'll keep his mouth shut as long as A-Rod is on the team, but I am sure it drives him crazy.

Absolutely. When A-Rod leaves, he'll explode to the media.

635 realwest  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:15:54am

re: #599 soxfan4life
I'd like to think Jeter would just keep his mouth shut. I'm a Yankee's fan and especially a Jeter fan and would like him to continue to be a classy guy. There are a number of people who knock Jeter (doesn't have very good range for SS, no real power, yada yada yada) but the only time I know of is when Steinbrenner and Torre spoke to Jeter about getting A-Rod before they did and Jeter said "he's a helluva player and could really help us on the field, but I'M THE YANKEE SHORTSTOP." And of course the damn NYC media immediately started the rumors about A-Rod and Jeter not getting along etc etc etc. It must be great financially to play in NYC, but the media there really do jump all over any local team player for any reason, real or imagined.
But Jeter could play shortstop for me any time (especially the Jeter of a few years ago).

636 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:16:05am

How happy am I? My boss is off for March break. Yeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaw!

637 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:16:15am

re: #630 Occasional Reader

While I don't doubt one could take a bear with 00 buck, I'd rather not depend on it. I'd go with slugs.

I got a Remington 1100 that throws a really tight pattern of buck shot.Although I have seriously thought about getting a slug barrel.

638 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:16:18am

re: #632 Athens Runaway
Oh my!

639 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:16:48am

Another test for 0bama:
There might be a Cuban Bomber Crisis.

A Russian Air Force chief said yesterday that the country could base some strategic bombers in Cuba or on an island offered by Venezuela, the Interfax news agency reported, but a Kremlin official quickly said the military had been speaking only hypothetically.


It's deja vu all over again, except that JFK wasn't so blinded by ideology that he couldn't learn.

640 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:17:42am
641 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:18:12am

re: #595 MandyManners

Has anyone been charged and convicted of a crime?

I doubt it and I don't know if anyone at AIG ever will.
But it seems to me that folks at AIG made a habit of insuring a whole bunch of virtually worthless derivative contracts. And if they knew or ought to have known the underlying assets were total shit and did not meet even the most basic underwriting requirements, then some of those folks should be charged.
And at the very least such gross negligence would be grounds for dismissal without notice or payment of further compensation.
But then again, what the hell do I know...

642 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:18:22am

re: #639 Kosh's Shadow
The donks would run JFK out of the party on a rail if he was around now.

643 ciaospirit  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:18:32am

The MSM snubbed the Columbus OH Tea Party on Saturday. Another report from an outstanding OSU student here. There was also a Sunday Tea Party sponsored by Columbus Townhall.

There is a big nationwide Tea Party April 15th Tax Day Tea Party. Listings by state.

644 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:18:42am

re: #635 realwest

I'd like to think Jeter would just keep his mouth shut. I'm a Yankee's fan and especially a Jeter fan and would like him to continue to be a classy guy. There are a number of people who knock Jeter (doesn't have very good range for SS, no real power, yada yada yada) but the only time I know of is when Steinbrenner and Torre spoke to Jeter about getting A-Rod before they did and Jeter said "he's a helluva player and could really help us on the field, but I'M THE YANKEE SHORTSTOP." And of course the damn NYC media immediately started the rumors about A-Rod and Jeter not getting along etc etc etc. It must be great financially to play in NYC, but the media there really do jump all over any local team player for any reason, real or imagined.
But Jeter could play shortstop for me any time (especially the Jeter of a few years ago).

The media here in Boston has gotten better recently, but they used to jump all over all the local teams. Got to give them some credit though, they helped run Nomar out of town.

645 eon  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:18:44am

re: #614 reloadingisnotahobby

Ha!
The guy that was watching Madoff for ten years(Ithink they call him Marco Polo)So he won't get "lead poisoning"!
Was on the radio this am...
Hundreds of brokers funneled money nowing full well it was a Ponzi sceme!
Said he has names and dates etc..

No surprise there. Like any pyramid scheme, the key to making a killing in a Ponzi scheme is to get in right at the start, sucker as many...suckers... as you can in under you, get their money, and then bail before they realize they've been suckered.

Pyramid rackets are an old standby for fraudsters; Charles Dickens described one in Little Dorrit. The British "South Seas Bubble" of the 1850s was a classic example. Madoff and Co. just took it to a higher level than has been seen previously.

As the old saying goes, "Never steal anything small."

'He told me, 'Don't steal the hubcaps, kid- steal the whole car!'"

-Frank Sinatra, Robin and the 7 Hoods

cheers

eon

646 razorbacker  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:18:51am

The local wildlife rehabbers have a half-dozen dogs that the FBI and USDA took from a testing lab.

These dogs have taken up with a deer that has a deformed lower jaw, and cannot be released because he can't eat unless the food is chopped fine.

They returned home to find the dogs and deer in the living room. They knew how the dogs got in (pet door), but the deer? So they set up a camera to see.

Largest dog throws himself against the sliding patio doors until the lock pops. Then the beagles push their snouts into the small crack until they can wedge it open enough for the rest of the pack to get their paws hooked around the edge. Then they can slide the door open enough that their deer buddy can get in too.

647 realwest  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:19:10am

re: #618 Ford_Prefect
LOL! Your friend was right! Good morning to you Ford!

648 nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:19:12am

re: #635 realwest

He was named Captain of the USA Team, that says it all.

649 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:19:16am

OT// How the hell did UNC get a #1 seed?

650 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:19:37am

re: #601 buzzsawmonkey

What are little boys Madoff?
Hopes and dreams and Ponzi schemes
That's what little boys are Madoff.

And the dish Madoff with the spoon.

651 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:19:41am

re: #632 Athens Runaway

I'd just like to pop in to wish you all a happy Saint Pancake's Day.

In honor, here's a great parody,
The Death of the Flat Rachel Corrie

The legend lives on from Palestinians on down
Of the big thing they call a ‘bulldozer’
The dozer, it’s said, always flattens its dead
When the left wing protesters turn looney.

Read the whole thing at the link.

652 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:19:48am

re: #649 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OT// How the hell did UNC get a #1 seed?

They have naked pictures of Dick Vitale?

653 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:19:49am

re: #639 Kosh's Shadow

Another test for 0bama:
There might be a Cuban Bomber Crisis.


It's deja vu all over again, except that JFK wasn't so blinded by ideology that he couldn't learn.

Don't worry. Obama will offer to reduce the missile defense system in exchange for Russia not doing this.

/sort of

654 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:19:57am

re: #642 pingjockey

The donks would run JFK out of the party on a rail if he was around now.

Being that he cut taxes, he wouldn't even qualify as a modern Democrat.

655 Miss Trixie  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:20:19am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning, {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

Spring-like weather made for a very pleasant weekend and a very dirty, mud-covered yorkie who scampered to her heart's content in the muck.

{realwest} Good morning hon *smoochie-smooch* Is that a new shirt? It's very becoming. :D

Now. I'm going to post a Youtube link that I've only heard the audio from a weekend radio programme and have not seen it (firewall at work).

These 10 losers jumping all over Canada accusing we Canucksicles of Human Rights abuses (read: do not say anything bad about muslims/islam or we will kill you) include Cuba, Syria, Egypt et al. The usual whining and seething we've all come to know and expect from these "nations".

Pfffft.

656 realwest  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:20:33am

re: #620 Beach Lover
Hey there {Beach Lover} When I went to play that I got a message saying "embedding disable by request".

657 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:20:37am

re: #601 buzzsawmonkey

On top of the theft, fraud and betrayal of trust, the Madoffs would have us believe that the wife and sons didn't have a clue what Daddy was doing? It's so insane.

658 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:20:46am

re: #649 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hell, how did OK get a #2? Neither even made it to their conference finals.

659 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:20:47am

re: #639 Kosh's Shadow

Another test for 0bama:
There might be a Cuban Bomber Crisis.


It's deja vu all over again, except that JFK wasn't so blinded by ideology that he couldn't learn.


Yep, saw that yesterday. Gosh, sounds familiar.

In the Alternate Earth that orbits the Sun exactly on the other side of our own, President anti-Obama took a few moments out from tax-cutting yesterday to respond to that announcement by saying "I wouldn't recommend trying to land your bombers on those airfields, Ivan, because we just hit them with runway denial munitions. Have a nice day, tovarisch."

660 nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:21:05am

re: #649 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OT// How the hell did UNC get a #1 seed?

Why who else? Almost all the tops ranked teams lost their tournaments. And UNC played with out Lawson the whole tournament. He will be back for the Big Dance.

661 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:21:53am

re: #660 nevergiveup

I haven't followed it closely... was just wondering...

662 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:22:12am

Good morning.

I heard about this article this morning, and decided to read it.

Obama's essence

Undisciplined. Disorganized. Overreaching. Dangerous. Even the Democrats are taking off the upside-down plastic buckets they've kept over their heads, like David Broder, David Ignatius, and even David Brooks, the house conservative at the NYT, who keeps trying to hug that dangerous median strip on the superhighway of life, dancing and dodging between all the whizzing cars and trucks.

But the commentariat still doesn't understand that Obama is the worst control freak to occupy high office in the history of the United States. Obama is the Nanny to end all Nannies. Socialism is not a political philosophy for him. It's the other way around. Control freakery is Obama's basic personality. Socialism is just his way of making it look good to his buds on the Left.

Found it most interesting, but it is some of what we have already been talking about here for months.

663 Beach Lover  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:22:21am

re: #656 realwest
I wonder why? I had just sent it to you regular email as well...see if that one works.

664 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:22:23am

re: #646 razorbacker

Is this for real?!

665 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:22:25am

re: #654 soxfan4life
None of the 60s/70s donks would qualify. Henry Jackson, Sam Rayburn, etc...Tough on the USSR and didn't spend 1/10 as much as this bunch today.

666 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:22:37am

re: #657 WriterMom

On top of the theft, fraud and betrayal of trust, the Madoffs would have us believe that the wife and sons didn't have a clue what Daddy was doing? It's so insane.

Given what the majority didn't want to see or believe about Obama, it seems a reasonable defense to me.

667 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:23:55am

re: #665 pingjockey

None of the 60s/70s donks would qualify. Henry Jackson, Sam Rayburn, etc...Tough on the USSR and didn't spend 1/10 as much as this bunch today.

Makes them too fiscally responsible to be modern republicans too.

668 realwest  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:24:08am

re: #632 Athens Runaway
Why thank you Athens Runaway - does this mean you'll be, ah, out of commission tomorrow - EARLY tomorrow?!
In any event, Happy Saint Patrick's Day to you too!

669 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:24:42am

re: #657 WriterMom

On top of the theft, fraud and betrayal of trust, the Madoffs would have us believe that the wife and sons didn't have a clue what Daddy was doing? It's so insane.

I wonder if they have a tap on her phone line. Monitoring her movements and her money? Have flagged her passport?

670 jjmckay1216  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:24:53am

re: #643 ciaospirit

The MSM snubbed the Columbus OH Tea Party on Saturday. Another report from an outstanding OSU student here. There was also a Sunday Tea Party sponsored by Columbus Townhall.

FOX is supposed to do a story on it this hour. That's as close as it's gonna get

671 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:25:11am

re: #666 soxfan4life

Interesting comparison. The key theme is the denial factor.

672 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:26:01am

re: #667 soxfan4life
Sad state of affairs.
Later folks!

673 eon  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:26:04am

re: #626 Kosh's Shadow

Suggest Mythbusters test it out. They like shooting things and blowing them up.

This week, either those characters or one of the other Discovery shows are going to attempt to prove or disprove the theory that "happy fire", Islamic style, can kill when the bullets come back down. I sincerely hope they're careful- or just run a computer simulation.

For that matter, they could just dig up an old British Army manual for the Vickers medium MG (.303in water-cooled), and read the chapter on "Overhead Fire", specifically the sections on "Plunging Fire" and "Long-Range Area Denial Fire."

My policy is, never point the muzzle upwards unless there's a target above me. Period.

/One AD in my life, fumbled release on a stiff safety on an M1 Carbine- and due to the policy, it made a divot six feet in front of me in soft earth. I don't mess with success.

cheers

eon

674 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:26:44am

re: #669 MandyManners

I'm of two minds. First of all, given how officialdom completely screwed up "discovering" the fraud, despite a highly reputed industry insider trying for years to get an investigation going-I don't have much faith in officials. But this is like a no-brainer. The thing is, it's unlikely Mrs. Madoff has a snowball's chance in hell of proving that she 'earned' any money of "her" own.

675 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:28:14am

re: #601 buzzsawmonkey

What are little boys Madoff?
Hopes and dreams and Ponzi schemes
That's what little boys are Madoff.

Madoff's future?

676 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:28:27am

re: #671 WriterMom

Interesting comparison. The key theme is the denial factor.

While what Madoff did was wrong, it's hard to feel too much pity for the investors. Had they done any research, they would have been able to figure out something wasn't right real quick. No one offers a steady type of return like that. Doesn't any prospectus tell you to do the research, and tell you there is no guarantee.

677 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:28:59am

re: #662 Honorary Yooper

Good morning.

I heard about this article this morning, and decided to read it.

Obama's essence


Found it most interesting, but it is some of what we have already been talking about here for months.

The need to maintain absolute control is a trait of many narcissists.

678 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:29:12am

re: #673 eon

The did it on Mythbusters. I don't think the bullet would kill you coming back down (and you'd have to be a really good shot). I think if it is shot at any angle, though...ooh.

679 opnion  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:29:13am

re: #599 soxfan4life

How long until Jeter speaks out against him? I know he hasn't yet, and has stood behind him, but once this whole steroid thing is played out as well as the Madonna Drama, you would think Jeter would be at the end of his rope.While I am a Sox fan, I have always liked Jeter.


I just can't get the Jeter/ Madonna thing. Why is he boldly going where so many men have gone before?

680 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:29:38am

re: #673 eon

This week, either those characters or one of the other Discovery shows are going to attempt to prove or disprove the theory that "happy fire", Islamic style, can kill when the bullets come back down. I sincerely hope they're careful- or just run a computer simulation.

For that matter, they could just dig up an old British Army manual for the Vickers medium MG (.303in water-cooled), and read the chapter on "Overhead Fire", specifically the sections on "Plunging Fire" and "Long-Range Area Denial Fire."

My policy is, never point the muzzle upwards unless there's a target above me. Period.

/One AD in my life, fumbled release on a stiff safety on an M1 Carbine- and due to the policy, it made a divot six feet in front of me in soft earth. I don't mess with success.

cheers

eon

Whatever they did, they survived. It is a rerun, but I keep missing everything but the end, where they're trying to find bullet holes in the desert floor.

681 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:29:40am

re: #639 Kosh's Shadow

Another test for 0bama:
There might be a Cuban Bomber Crisis.


It's deja vu all over again, except that JFK wasn't so blinded by ideology that he couldn't learn.

Actually, it could end up with a worse ending than the Missile Crisis. The TU-160 Blackjack bomber has evolved a non-nuclear capability. What if the Russians decided to answer a US move to defend Ukraine or Poland with a conventional attck on our bases in Florida. If the bombers got through, they could do immense damage.

682 realwest  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:30:11am

re: #639 Kosh's Shadow
Well I disagree with JFK over some policy issues, but I NEVER doubted his love for America or his willingness to fight for her.
Totally different attitude with Obama - tons of "policy issues" and I doubt his desire much less ability to defend America. He's at best an untested babe in the woods.

683 nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:30:31am

re: #679 opnion

I just can't get the Jeter/ Madonna thing. Why is he boldly going where so many men have gone before?

It's A-Rod and Madonna. PLEASE!

684 Beach Lover  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:30:43am

re: #663 Beach Lover

I wonder why? I had just sent it to you regular email as well...see if that one works.

I just tried it by hitting the first lower screen that is black and it played.

685 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:31:13am

re: #674 WriterMom

I'm of two minds. First of all, given how officialdom completely screwed up "discovering" the fraud, despite a highly reputed industry insider trying for years to get an investigation going-I don't have much faith in officials. But this is like a no-brainer. The thing is, it's unlikely Mrs. Madoff has a snowball's chance in hell of proving that she 'earned' any money of "her" own.

I wonder if they'll try to make up for their previous ignorance about Madoff by being all over her and the kids.

686 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:31:17am

re: #676 soxfan4life

I agree that it is hard to feel sorry for them for believing in something that by all objective standards, was not sustainable. But the mirage was supported by so many seemingly reputable agencies and firms-that added an extra layer of false security. The thing is-it's not just individual investors that were hurt-quite a number of reputable charities were really hurt by this schmuck and that really pisses me off.

687 razorbacker  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:31:26am

Madoff victums

There are some famous names here. And some supposedly savvy business folk, not the kind that you think of when you think of scam participants.

And I saw where Wiesenthal's charity is now bust, courtesy of Madoff?

I guess the reason that you prey on your fellow religionists is because they are less likely to question your intent.

688 realwest  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:31:52am

re: #644 soxfan4life
What was Nomar's problem? I always thought he was a pretty damn good player, no?

689 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:32:36am

re: #682 realwest

Agree with you completely. JFK, for all his flaw, I believe was an American patriot. I absolutely do not have the same confidence in Obama and the entire self-hating circles that he was nurtured in. I do question their patriotism.

690 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:32:43am
691 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:32:54am

re: #688 realwest

What was Nomar's problem? I always thought he was a pretty damn good player, no?

And he married Mia Hamm, so he has that going for him.

692 realwest  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:33:18am

re: #648 nevergiveup
Shoot, I'm not keeping up on my sports the way I used to! Who named Jeter captain of what USA team?!?

693 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:33:36am

re: #681 Dark_Falcon

Actually, it could end up with a worse ending than the Missile Crisis. The TU-160 Blackjack bomber has evolved a non-nuclear capability. What if the Russians decided to answer a US move to defend Ukraine or Poland with a conventional attck on our bases in Florida. If the bombers got through, they could do immense damage.

We could stop them, if we kept a continuous air patrol, but it wouldn't be cheap. And with standoff weapons, they could dare us to shoot down a bomber in international airspace (or close enough that it was a "navigational error") or let them drop first. No defense I know of against guided gravity bombs.
We couldn't go nuclear over a conventional attack, either.

694 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:33:58am

re: #673 eon

This week, either those characters or one of the other Discovery shows are going to attempt to prove or disprove the theory that "happy fire", Islamic style, can kill when the bullets come back down. I sincerely hope they're careful- or just run a computer simulation.

For that matter, they could just dig up an old British Army manual for the Vickers medium MG (.303in water-cooled), and read the chapter on "Overhead Fire", specifically the sections on "Plunging Fire" and "Long-Range Area Denial Fire."

My policy is, never point the muzzle upwards unless there's a target above me. Period.

/One AD in my life, fumbled release on a stiff safety on an M1 Carbine- and due to the policy, it made a divot six feet in front of me in soft earth. I don't mess with success.

cheers

eon

Your advice for digging up an old Vickers Gun manual is good but incomplete. The final step of that info gathering would be to take a actual Vickers Gun and use it indirectly against a crowd of seething Islamists.

////

695 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:34:17am

re: #681 Dark_Falcon

Actually, it could end up with a worse ending than the Missile Crisis. The TU-160 Blackjack bomber has evolved a non-nuclear capability. What if the Russians decided to answer a US move to defend Ukraine or Poland with a conventional attck on our bases in Florida. If the bombers got through, they could do immense damage.

I think the fact that the Russians are announcing this "hypothetical" probably means they're hoping Obama will preemptively agree to surrender something valuable in exchange for their pinky-swear not to send the bombers to Cuba/Venezuela. And, sadly, the strategy will quite likely work.

696 razorbacker  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:34:24am

re: #664 Occasional Reader

Is this for real?!

Yes. It is surprising which species will bond and pack together.

You don't want to spend a lot of time around this place if you intend to continue hunting or eating meat.

697 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:34:46am

re: #688 realwest

I thought he was great. A lot of Sox fans got all over him for the usual silly reasons that fans come up with when they get bored with a star player. That said, the Red Sox lucked out when Nomar turned down a 4-year, 60 million dollar contract and then promptly fell off the face of the Earth, performance wise.

698 realwest  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:35:13am

re: #655 {Miss Trixie}
Why good morning Georgeous! *smoooches to you, too! Uh, I'm not wearing a shirt - reckon all the working out is finally paying off! LOL!
How are ya today sweetie?

699 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:35:38am

re: #689 WriterMom

Agree with you completely. JFK, for all his flaw, I believe was an American patriot. I absolutely do not have the same confidence in Obama and the entire self-hating circles that he was nurtured in. I do question their patriotism.

I do more than question the 0's patriotism. I'll flat-out say that his loyalty is to ideas; he'd only be patriotic after he re-makes the US into his image of what it should be.
Unfortunately, he doesn't realize how bad things would be afterward.

700 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:35:52am

re: #689 WriterMom

There have been people who I have had serious disagreements with politically who are amazing patriots; would die for this country faster than I would.

701 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:36:23am

re: #696 razorbacker

You don't want to spend a lot of time around this place if you intend to continue hunting or eating meat.

But... but... meat comes from the supermarket, not from some cuddly, fluffy animal!

/

702 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:37:38am

re: #696 razorbacker

Yes. It is surprising which species will bond and pack together.

Sheesh, next they'll get a raccoon in on the thing, and have him figure out how to order up Over The Hedge on HBO On Demand!

703 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:38:07am

Shavuah effen Tov.

UK lawmakers aim to 'force' Hamas talks

LONDON, England (CNN) -- A group of British politicians is trying to force the government in London to talk to Hamas, the militant Palestinian movement considered a terrorist organization by the United Kingdom, one of the politicians told CNN.

Baroness Jenny Tonge, a member of the House of Lords, met the political leader of Hamas, Khaled Meshaal, in Syria along with other British politicians on Saturday, she said.

"There are many politicians in Britain... who are increasingly frustrated that Hamas are not included in talks about peace," she told CNN by phone from the Syrian capital of Damascus.

"If we can get enough of them to talk to Hamas, we may be able to force the British government to talk to Hamas," she said. "We want the Brits and the European Union to put pressure on the United States" to meet Hamas as well.

Hamas controls Gaza and has fought Israel throughout its 21-year history. The United States and European Union consider it to be a terrorist organization, as does Israel. Tony Blair, the former British prime minister who is now an international peace envoy for the Middle East, refused to meet Hamas officials when he visited Gaza at the beginning of the month.

Has fought?

And there's this:

Leftist Ex-CNN Reporter Wins El Salvador Presidency

Not how I planned to start the week.

704 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:38:11am

re: #693 Kosh's Shadow

We could stop them, if we kept a continuous air patrol, but it wouldn't be cheap. And with standoff weapons, they could dare us to shoot down a bomber in international airspace (or close enough that it was a "navigational error") or let them drop first. No defense I know of against guided gravity bombs.
We couldn't go nuclear over a conventional attack, either.

Moreover, every aircraft we have to divert to Homeland Defense is one that cannot be used against them in Europe. And what you said about standoff weapons is one of my fears too. A pair of Blackjacks could fire enough cruise missiles to make it almost impossible for us to stop them all. To quote David Weber: "In the end, a missile engagement comes down to numbers; Probability theory does not play favorites."

705 rightside  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:38:28am

re: #657 WriterMom

People are so upset at what Madoff pulled off (and rightly so), but say nary a word when they are being bilked by the largest Ponzi scheme ever created and implemented. How many trillions will be wasted "repairing" SS?

706 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:38:44am

re: #628 nevergiveup

He'll keep his mouth shut as long as A-Rod is on the team, but I am sure it drives him crazy.

Jeter wont badmouth teammates, but he will say things in a diplomatic manner that is the equivalent of dropping an f-bomb.

Jeter, who attend Rodriguez's press conference yesterday with several teammates, would not say if he felt Rodriguez cheated the game, and that his mistakes shouldn't taint the entire sport.

"I don't condone anything he did; he doesn't condone anything he did," Jeter said.

"First and foremost you cheat yourself; I think that's the message that needs to be out there.

"And also I think the biggest message that needs to be out there is everybody wasn't doing it. ... There were a few players in this era taking steroids, but it wasn't a Steroid Era."

Jeter mentioned that 104 players reportedly tested positive in 2003, and there are approximately more than 1,200 major leaguers.

"You've got 1,100 people that haven't done it; let's get that straight," Jeter said. "That's sending the wrong message to the baseball community, it's sending the wrong message to the public, and more importantly it's sending the wrong message to kids, saying that everybody was doing it."

Jeter said he is against the release of the other 103 names. Sports Illustrated reported last Saturday on Rodriguez's results from union-approved survey testing in 2003.

"Really, what's that gonna do? It's just gonna be another story, it's gonna be another black eye for the sport," Jeter said.

707 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:40:00am

re: #703 Ben Hur

Shavuah effen Tov.

UK lawmakers aim to 'force' Hamas talks

Has fought?

And there's this:

Leftist Ex-CNN Reporter Wins El Salvador Presidency

Not how I planned to start the week.

No I either. I've got a nasty stomach flu, and can't work. I hate missing work and not being able to eat today really sucks.

708 razorbacker  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:40:24am

re: #701 Occasional Reader

But... but... meat comes from the supermarket, not from some cuddly, fluffy animal!

/

To all you hunters out there

709 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:40:29am
710 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:40:56am

re: #649 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OT// How the hell did UNC get a #1 seed?

They were #1 for part of the season. I'm surprised that UConn got the #1 seed. Louisville got a #1 for winning the Big East. I can understand that.

My two favorite teams didn't make it to the big dance - St. Johns and Albany. Oh well.. gonna be rooting for UNC (if only to have something to needle my SiL over (she's a Maryland alum).

711 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:41:27am

re: #705 rightside

Solvency is part of the "old thinking" that Obama wants to do away with.

712 realwest  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:41:33am

BBIAW!

713 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:43:31am

re: #703 Ben Hur

Shavuah effen Tov.

UK lawmakers aim to 'force' Hamas talks

Has fought?

And there's this:

Leftist Ex-CNN Reporter Wins El Salvador Presidency

Not how I planned to start the week.

Those Brits know Hamas knows how to deal with pesky Jews.

And El Salvador seems to keep electing Marxist assholes. The current UN General Assembly president was one of them, IIRC. And he loves Ahamaninejad. (My new spelling for his name, in honor of Purim last week)

714 opnion  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:44:01am

re: #679 opnion

I just can't get the Jeter/ Madonna thing. Why is he boldly going where so many men have gone before?


I meant A Rod.

715 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:44:05am

re: #703 Ben Hur

FMLN is in power now? Gee, Ortega's back in power in Nicaragua. Russia's talking about putting those bombers in Venezuela and Cuba. FCBBHO treated Brazil like shit. Mexico is in anarchy near our border.

A perfect storm.

716 opnion  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:44:47am

re: #683 nevergiveup

It's A-Rod and Madonna. PLEASE!

Yeah, I caught myself.

717 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:44:48am

re: #710 lawhawk

I got lucky. All three of "my" teams (BC, Duke, Xavier) made it to the Tourney. And as a further bonus my newest adopted team, Wake Forest, did too.
Watch them all get eliminated in the first round...

718 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:44:58am

So, I peruse the morning news as I usually do and I see that the states are busy eying new tax revenue streams, including mileage taxes in addition to gas taxes. Gotta love the mind of a politician. They've never met a tax they didn't like.

Sudan is busy trying to finish off those living in Darfur that didn't die in the genocide, ethnic cleansing, or the civil war - by demanding all the aid groups leave the country by the end of the year because the regime in Khartoum thinks those groups have been providing evidence to the ICC that the Sudanese president has been involved in war crimes and crimes against humanity (no, the body count is more than sufficient combined with the evidence that the Sudanese military has been involved).

On the plus side, doctors may have come up with a technique that would eliminate or greatly reduce peanut allergies.

719 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:45:09am

re: #703 Ben Hur

The UK is royally f&cked.

Boo hoo.

720 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:47:13am
721 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:47:28am

re: #715 MandyManners

FMLN is in power now? Gee, Ortega's back in power in Nicaragua. Russia's talking about putting those bombers in Venezuela and Cuba. FCBBHO treated Brazil like shit. Mexico is in anarchy near our border.

A perfect storm.

And just after Evil George Bush finished killing people in South America with AIDS.

Oops... I mean, saving people in South America from AIDs. Whatever!

(BTW, I missed the Obama/Brazil story, what was that?)

722 realwest  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:47:39am

re: #684 Beach Lover
Got the e-mail and it works - this guy (whom I've never heard of before [I know, I know I gotta get out more!] is a damn RIOT! I laughed so hard I hadda go pee!
Uh, sorry, maybe too much information there!

723 realwest  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:48:49am

re: #668 realwest
Shoot, sorry Athens, misread your link - Happy St. Patrick or St. Pancake's day - whichever!

724 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:49:10am

re: #630 Occasional Reader

While I don't doubt one could take a bear with 00 buck, I'd rather not depend on it. I'd go with slugs.

With slugs, you'd just better hope your aim is good. ;-)

725 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:49:17am

re: #715 MandyManners

FMLN is in power now? Gee, Ortega's back in power in Nicaragua. Russia's talking about putting those bombers in Venezuela and Cuba. FCBBHO treated Brazil like shit. Mexico is in anarchy near our border.

A perfect storm.

More on Ortega from Wiki:

On 6 March 2008, following the 2008 Andean diplomatic crisis, Ortega announced that Nicaragua was breaking diplomatic ties with Colombia "in solidarity with the Ecuadoran people".[33] Ortega also stated, "We are not breaking relations with the Colombian people. We are breaking relations with the terrorist policy practiced by Álvaro Uribe's government".[34] The relations were restored with the resolution at a Rio Group summit held in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic, on 7 March 2008. At the summit Colombia's Álvaro Uribe, Ecuador's Rafael Correa, Venezuela's Hugo Chávez and Ortega publicly shook hands in a show of good will. The handshakes, broadcast live throughout Latin America, appeared to be a signal that a week of military buildups and diplomatic repercussions was over. After the handshakes, Ortega said he would re-establish diplomatic ties with Colombia.[35][36]

On May 25, 2008, Ortega, upon learning of the death of FARC guerrilla leader Manuel Marulanda in Colombia, expressed condolences to the family of Marulanda and solidarity with the FARC and called Marulanda an extraordinary fighter who battled against profound inequalities in Colombia.[37][38] The declarations were protested by the Colombian government and criticized in the major Colombian media outlets because FARC actions are deemed criminal.

On September 2, 2008, during ceremonies for the 29th anniversary of the founding of the Nicaraguan army, Ortega announced that "Nicaragua recognizes the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia and fully supports the Russian government's position." Ortega's decision made Nicaragua the first country after Russia to recognize the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia from Georgia.[39]


This scares the shit outta' me.

726 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:49:44am

Take a moment out of your day to sypmathize with the plight of the Mexican emos.

727 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:50:08am

re: #721 Occasional Reader

And just after Evil George Bush finished killing people in South America with AIDS.

Oops... I mean, saving people in South America from AIDs. Whatever!

(BTW, I missed the Obama/Brazil story, what was that?)

IIRC, he dissed the president of Brazil during his visit here recently.

728 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:50:14am

re: #724 Ward Cleaver

With slugs, you'd just better hope your aim is good. ;-)

Not much different from shooting with 00 buck, really.

729 JohnAdams  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:50:43am

re: #718 lawhawk

It's like watching a dog chase its own tail when one lib policy (like auto emissions standards) cuts the revenue stream from another (tax on fuel). And then the moral rationalizations that ensue to justify a new form of robbery. And these ain't taxes on the "rich."

730 Golem Akbar  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:50:48am

Good morning, Lizards. It's going to be a good week? It'd better be...

731 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:51:04am

re: #686 WriterMom

I agree that it is hard to feel sorry for them for believing in something that by all objective standards, was not sustainable. But the mirage was supported by so many seemingly reputable agencies and firms-that added an extra layer of false security. The thing is-it's not just individual investors that were hurt-quite a number of reputable charities were really hurt by this schmuck and that really pisses me off.

I'm really pissed off too. Besides, just because some of the victims were stupid or careless doesn't in any way excuse the fraudulent conduct.
And if his children were actively involved in the operation then they too should be stripped of their assets and sent to the big house.
I think there might be an issue relating to assets in his wife's name, but only if the assets were not purchased using the proceeds of crimes.

732 avanti  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:51:27am

re: #639 Kosh's Shadow

Another test for 0bama:
There might be a Cuban Bomber Crisis.


It's deja vu all over again, except that JFK wasn't so blinded by ideology that he couldn't learn.

A non story, hypothetically they could do it, just as hypothetically we could shoot down the Korean missile as reported by the Navy. Basing missiles in Cuba was enough of a threat to US for JFK to trade our European missiles for though.

733 rightside  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:52:02am

re: #720 FrogMarch

Great piece, but really not hard to do.

734 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:52:14am

re: #720 FrogMarch

P.J. is great.
I get a kick out of how the Left is always harping that the Right is "anti-science" when ethical standards are brought up. The Lefties can come up with a zillion "ethical" side reasons for why people shouldn't chop down a tree, build a house, drive a car, pave a road, etc. but when it comes to Fed. funding for a true scientific/ethical dilemma that involves real lives and real questions about the nature of man, they don't want to hear anything about it.

735 eon  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:52:16am

re: #678 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The did it on Mythbusters. I don't think the bullet would kill you coming back down (and you'd have to be a really good shot). I think if it is shot at any angle, though...ooh.

We're talking kinetic energy vs. potential energy here. A bullet (say, a rifle bullet) is a streamlined object designed to travel through air losing as little velocity as possible due to air resistance. Fired at a high angle (above 60 degrees, let's say), it will travel to a considerable altitude (about 3/4th of its maximum effective range fired on the horizontal, as it is trying to fight gravity as a nearly straight-back "drag" as opposed to a tangent to its trajectory).

When the bullet gets to the top of its trajectory, like a ballistic missile or a mortar or howitzer round, it will have lost almost all kinetic energy. But due to being higher in the Earth's gravity field, it will have a store of potential energy roughly equal to the amount of KE it took to get it up there in the first place.

It's like you or me, standing on the high board at the swimming pool, before jumping off it into the pool. We don't drift slowly down, and neither does the bullet. It is pulled back down by gravity, and as it falls, its potential energy is converted back to kinetic energy. And being streamlined, it loses no more energy to air resistance coming down than it did going up.

Which means that when it arrives back at ground level, it will be traveling very nearly as fast as it was when it left the muzzle. Point forward, in "Kill 'em all and let G-d sort 'em out" mode.

This is why pointing a rifle's muzzle up is never a good idea. And actually pulling the trigger on a live round with the muzzle up is an Outstandingly Bad Idea.

That bullet will come down somewhere. And whatever it hits, it will destroy.

/The laws of physics do not accept "Oops" as a legitimate defense.

cheers

eon

736 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:53:34am

re: #732 avanti

A non story, hypothetically they could do it

Erm... the fact that they are bandying about this "hypothesis" out loud is what MAKES it a story.

Yes, hypothetically we could nuke Moscow... but would it be a "non-story" if Obama started chatting about it to the press corps?

737 realwest  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:53:41am

re: #693 Kosh's Shadow
"We couldn't go nuclear over a conventional attack, either." Well, other than the fact that Obama is POTUS, why the hell not? Somebody attacks the US, fuck 'em and give it all to 'em.

738 nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:54:19am

re: #692 realwest

Shoot, I'm not keeping up on my sports the way I used to! Who named Jeter captain of what USA team?!?

The World Baseball Classic. The other team members.

739 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:54:27am

re: #708 razorbacker

To all you hunters out there

They make meat at the store? Who knew?

740 Miss Trixie  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:54:41am

re: #698 realwest

Why good morning Georgeous! *smoooches to you, too! Uh, I'm not wearing a shirt - reckon all the working out is finally paying off! LOL!
How are ya today sweetie?

I'll say - I forgot all about yer buns-o-steel too! :D

I'm fine, thanks, just another Monday at the orifice. :(

741 rightside  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:54:48am

re: #732 avanti

You would do real good in selecting what the unwashed masses need to hear in the drive-by media, chief.

742 nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:55:26am

re: #717 Lincolntf

I got lucky. All three of "my" teams (BC, Duke, Xavier) made it to the Tourney. And as a further bonus my newest adopted team, Wake Forest, did too.
Watch them all get eliminated in the first round...

My daughter Goes to Binghamton, if they beat Duke, it will be one of the biggest upsets of all time!

743 realwest  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:56:15am

re: #701 Occasional Reader
"But... but... meat comes from the supermarket, not from some cuddly, fluffy animal!"
Yes, and thank God - getting your own is so, so...Messy!

744 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:56:19am

re: #735 eon

It is pulled back down by gravity, and as it falls, its potential energy is converted back to kinetic energy. And being streamlined, it loses no more energy to air resistance coming down than it did going up.

Which means that when it arrives back at ground level, it will be traveling very nearly as fast as it was when it left the muzzle.

I don't think so. Very hard for a falling body, propelled only by gravity and starting from, effectively, zero, to go supersonic (if we're talking about a bullet going straight up and then falling straight down).

745 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:56:27am

re: #736 Occasional Reader

Obviously not.
The mention of the mere possibility is a diplomatic provocation that serves to show the world that Obama couldn't/wouldn't do dick about a Soviet bomber base just off our coast.

746 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:56:45am

re: #728 Occasional Reader

Not much different from shooting with 00 buck, really.

I've fired both, and it was fun. My point was just about having a bear charging you, and trying to make sure you hit the right area.

747 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:57:18am

re: #742 nevergiveup

Not gonna happen, but it would be HUGE if it did.

748 avanti  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:57:33am

re: #736 Occasional Reader

Erm... the fact that they are bandying about this "hypothesis" out loud is what MAKES it a story.

Yes, hypothetically we could nuke Moscow... but would it be a "non-story" if Obama started chatting about it to the press corps?

If it were Putin chatting about the bombers, I'd agree, but the Russian leadership rushed to dispute the Air Force officer. No different than the Navy guy talking about shooting down the Korean missile, not Obaba, a different deal.

749 nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:57:53am

re: #747 Lincolntf

Not gonna happen, but it would be HUGE if it did.

Anyway I am a UNC fan.

750 Macker  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:57:56am

re: #742 nevergiveup

My daughter Goes to Binghamton, if they beat Duke, it will be one of the biggest upsets of all time!

Go Binghamton!
And Good Morning Lizards!

751 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:58:00am

re: #718 lawhawk

Good analysis on the mileage tax, but you are a bit off on the subject of toll roads and systems like EZPass. In Illinois, we have over 75% of tollway users using IPass, thus cutting down majorly on congestion and pollution. In addition, unlike some of the eastern states, we've converted the entire system so that there is no stopping or slowing down for mainline toll plazas. As such the two streams of traffic (IPass/EZPass using and cash only) are split, causing no delays for the IPass traffic.

752 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:58:11am

re: #746 Ward Cleaver

I've fired both, and it was fun. My point was just about having a bear charging you, and trying to make sure you hit the right area.

First, take out his Blackberry, so can't communicate with other bears.

753 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:58:48am

re: #732 avanti

A non story, hypothetically they could do it, just as hypothetically we could shoot down the Korean missile as reported by the Navy. Basing missiles in Cuba was enough of a threat to US for JFK to trade our European missiles for though.

It is taking every fiber of my being not to rip you a new asshole right now, you fucking Commie apologist.

754 Macker  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:58:52am

re: #738 nevergiveup

Maybe this time the USA will actually WIN it?

755 realwest  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:59:07am

re: #662 Honorary Yooper
LOL! This one' for you (and anyone who loves great political cartoons):[Link: www.daybydaycartoon.com...]

756 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:59:24am

re: #752 Occasional Reader

First, take out his Blackberry, so can't communicate with other bears.

Wouldn't that be his Blackbeary?

757 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:59:25am

re: #748 avanti

but the Russian leadership rushed to dispute the Air Force officer

I didn't see a "rush to dispute", just a "oh, it's a hypothetical".

758 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:59:42am

re: #748 avanti

If it were Putin chatting about the bombers, I'd agree, but the Russian leadership rushed to dispute the Air Force officer. No different than the Navy guy talking about shooting down the Korean missile, not Obaba, a different deal.

PUTIN DOESN'T LIE? You don't know sweet-fuck-all about propaganda, do you?

759 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:59:48am

re: #734 Lincolntf

P.J. is great.
I get a kick out of how the Left is always harping that the Right is "anti-science" when ethical standards are brought up. The Lefties can come up with a zillion "ethical" side reasons for why people shouldn't chop down a tree, build a house, drive a car, pave a road, etc. but when it comes to Fed. funding for a true scientific/ethical dilemma that involves real lives and real questions about the nature of man, they don't want to hear anything about it.

The left have corralled the meme. We are not allowed to bring up questions of ethics, (and if anyone does, Obama and the Dems claim...

But after much discussion, debate and reflection, the proper course has become clear. The majority of Americans--from across the political spectrum, and of all backgrounds and beliefs--have come to a consensus that we should pursue this research.

...again and again. And somehow, we as a nation cannot progress in any area of scientific endeavor, without government funding.

760 nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:59:55am

re: #754 Macker

Maybe this time the USA will actually WIN it?

Japan looks tough again.

761 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:00:14am

Three Iranian Qods Force agents captured in Iraq


The US and Iraqi military believe the Special Groups are preparing to re-initiate fighting as their leaders and operatives are beginning to filter back into Iraq from Iran. On Feb. 4, Lieutenant General Lloyd Austin, the deputy commander of Multinational Forces Iraq, said that Iran continues to arm, fund, and train the Special Groups, and that munitions traced back to Iran continue to be uncovered in Iraq. Recent intelligence and the finds of new Iranian caches "lead us to believe that Iranian support activity is still ongoing," Austin warned.

Iranian fist still clenched, despite offer of face-time with the Obama.

762 rightside  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:01:07am

re: #758 MandyManners

Hands you a smoke. Steps back slowly.

763 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:01:32am

re: #758 MandyManners

Avanti has never met a threat that he/she couldn't ignore (except evil Bush). Typical ostrich in donkey's clothing.

764 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:01:33am
765 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:01:35am

re: #756 Alouette

Wouldn't that be his Blackbeary?

If it's Yogi Bear, I'm pretty sure he carries a Huckleberry.

766 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:01:38am

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767 razorbacker  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:03:09am

re: #746 Ward Cleaver

I've fired both, and it was fun. My point was just about having a bear charging you, and trying to make sure you hit the right area.

Bear-be-gone

'Course, it's written by a girl, fer Kerist's sake, so you may have to add a few grains of salt to be able to choke it down.

768 avanti  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:04:39am

re: #735 eon

I may be wrong, but I don't agree with your physics. If the bullet goes up completely vertical, all of it's energy
will be expended and it's only gain what gravity gives it, less wind resistance. If it travels off angle, different story.

Mythbusters confirms a vertical shot coming down is non lethal..Link

769 vxbush  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:05:44am

*yawn*

Morning, everyone. Already had a cup of tea and it's not doing it's job. I think I need to fire the tea manager.

What's up today?

770 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:06:16am

re: #769 vxbush

*yawn*

Morning, everyone. Already had a cup of tea and it's not doing it's job. I think I need to fire the tea manager.

What's up today?

My blood pressure.

What's up with you?

771 nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:06:39am

Gee what a shock. Now the "Pentagon" ( read that the new Obama Administration ) is running down the missile defense system. It Failed 5 out of 18 times. That means it succeeded 13 out of 18 times. I wonder were this is going? And oh if your trying to trade the Missile defense for something else, it's best not to run it down before hand? From Fox News TV.

772 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:06:43am

re: #735 eon

Wind drag on a bullet is not insignificant. On the descent half of the arc, the bullet will reach a maximum speed that is far less than the muzzle velocity. As a result, the damage it can do is far less than that of a direct shot. For example, if you fired an M16 round straight up and it came back straight back down and hit you on the head, it would hurt like heck, & might even cause a bone fracture, but it would not penetrate.

773 avanti  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:07:05am

re: #753 MandyManners

It is taking every fiber of my being not to rip you a new asshole right now, you fucking Commie apologist.

Commie apologist for just mentioning the report was hypothetical, and denied ? A bit of a leap don't you think ?

774 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:07:49am

re: #767 razorbacker

Bear-be-gone

'Course, it's written by a girl, fer Kerist's sake, so you may have to add a few grains of salt to be able to choke it down.

She needs to read up on .454 Casull. I think, anyway.

775 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:08:22am

re: #762 rightside

Hands you a smoke. Steps back slowly.

Thanks. I just took a brisk, five-minute walk around the house perimeter to work off some energy.

776 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:09:06am

BBL.

777 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:09:32am

re: #772 Kenneth

GEEK!

778 vxbush  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:10:06am

re: #770 MandyManners

My blood pressure.

What's up with you?

Too much to do. Vacations are great, but it seems work piles up worse than ever while I'm gone.

779 realwest  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:10:15am

re: #738 nevergiveup
Thank you - do you know approximately when this happened?
I do remember a lot of players - from both leagues, congratulated Jeter several years ago - 1999 ? - when he became the all time leader in post season hits - more than anyone else in the history of baseball. When some Maroon from the NY Daily News or Post made a big deal out of it, Jeter just said
Leage Championships weren't around for Ted Williams and others.

780 JohnAdams  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:10:16am

Applicable random comment from another blog:

"Of the 64 million that swooned for Obumer a vast majority were young (youth), newly eligible, Kool-Aid drinking pop culture, do not have a clue, non-taxpayers. Credit this to the Union controlled education establishment. A majority of these sprouts have their heads up their collective multicultural, everything is relative, values are subjective butts. If there was 1 in 50 that could speak to the Declaration of Independance, the Bill of Rights or the foundation of faith in God that the founders of the nation all held when establishing the Republic, (add Republic to the list) and there are not, you can see what 40 years of Pavlov's dogs indoctrination can accomplish."

On rare occasions it is best to let others speak for you.

781 avanti  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:10:20am

re: #772 Kenneth

Wind drag on a bullet is not insignificant. On the descent half of the arc, the bullet will reach a maximum speed that is far less than the muzzle velocity. As a result, the damage it can do is far less than that of a direct shot. For example, if you fired an M16 round straight up and it came back straight back down and hit you on the head, it would hurt like heck, & might even cause a bone fracture, but it would not penetrate.

The same with the penny dropped from the skyscraper myth, it'll hurt but not kill you.

782 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:10:38am

re: #751 Honorary Yooper

Good analysis on the mileage tax, but you are a bit off on the subject of toll roads and systems like EZPass. In Illinois, we have over 75% of tollway users using IPass, thus cutting down majorly on congestion and pollution. In addition, unlike some of the eastern states, we've converted the entire system so that there is no stopping or slowing down for mainline toll plazas. As such the two streams of traffic (IPass/EZPass using and cash only) are split, causing no delays for the IPass traffic.

I agree that high speed electronic tolling would reduce congestion and traffic, but as implemented around here, it doesn't work because not all traffic plazas have the ability to create high speed lanes, and cash traffic backs up into the EZ Pass lanes.

They have EZ pass here in the NYC metro area, and toll plazas have dedicated EZ pass lanes and cash lanes (for those who don't have EZ Pass). You can see the mess that those cash lanes have on traffic every day - backing up the toll plazas causing delays at nearly every toll plaza in the area. (GWB traffic is representative - all that traffic is for the cash lane and it blocks the EZ pass lanes and causes multimile backups). Some of the toll plazas here have high speed EZ Pass - allowing near or full highway speeds, but not all plazas can be aligned in that fashion. There's also the cost involved. NJ installed EZ pass years back and the companies involved botched the job so royally that they've had a problem actually exceeding costs. They can't even get toll-evaders because the enforcement systems stink.

783 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:11:05am

re: #726 Occasional Reader

I really thought that was a joke, and then I clicked. Yes, Mexican Emos are definitely their worst problem.

[THUNK]

784 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:11:31am

re: #774 Occasional Reader

She needs to read up on .454 Casull. I think, anyway.

She's not shy about displaying her, uh, finer attributes.

/i'm jus' sayin'

785 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:13:08am

re: #777 WriterMom

Hey, I resisted posting the equations.

786 pass the moonbaticide  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:13:11am

Are you ready for this, Folks ? 'Cause it's coming to a State near you.

Danish Government considering paying compensation to women who contracted Breast Cancer ... just for working nights !

You can't make up what Europe is becoming !

Lemme OUT !

787 UncleRancher  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:13:41am

re: #735 eon

There is one little problem with the analysis. wind resistance continues to act to reduce velocity at all stages of flight until the projectile either strikes an object or reaches terminal velocity in which the energy derived from falling matches the energy loss from wind resistance.

The Mythbusters crew determined that bullets fired straight up would come down at terminal velocity in a tumbling mode in which the wind resistance is greater than it would be if the bullet were still traveling pointy end first.

My hunting buddies and I had a "code" for "animal down". We would fire into the air 357 times. That way we could tell it really was a signal from our party and not someone else, and the number of rounds fired would allow us to get our bearings, and probably reach the down animal before the shooter was finished. /joke

788 Golem Akbar  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:13:48am

Gotta drink another cup of Zionist conspiracy, and then I can joing the little green bloggers.

789 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:13:57am

re: #783 WriterMom

I really thought that was a joke, and then I clicked. Yes, Mexican Emos are definitely their worst problem.

[THUNK]

They're feeling the deep, depressed emotions that Americans won't feel.

790 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:14:03am

re: #735 eon

Gosh, yer smart...

791 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:14:15am

re: #771 nevergiveup

That's like during the campaign when he said he wouldn't "waste" money on "unproven" space-based defense systems. As if a fully formed system was going to magically appear and THEN he'd fund it. What a boob.
(Strange that he sees no problem with wasting money on "unproven" economic policies, stem-cell research, environmental controls, etc.)

The only thing worse than the big O and his cronies are the chuckleheaded voters who don't realize that he's sweet-talking them into oblivion.

792 Beach Lover  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:14:27am

re: #722 realwest
I had never heard of him either, but for us "seasoned" folks, I thought it pretty funny. Had to send it to my kids, and my daughter posted it on facebook(said she laughed out loud it was so funny too).

793 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:15:35am

re: #789 Occasional Reader

LOL. Yes-I understand that Undocumented Emos are real problem in your country.

794 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:15:55am

re: #787 UncleRancher

My hunting buddies and I had a "code" for "animal down". We would fire into the air 357 times.

Of course there's the joke about the... well, I originally heard it as "Polish" hunters (insert "blonde" or whatever as you see fit) who become lost in the woods, and agree to fire shots in the air hoping to attract help. Finally one says to the other, "we should stop, it's getting dark and I'm almost out of arrows."

795 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:16:02am

re: #781 avanti

The penny would be going even slower. The shape of the object determines how much wind drag it generates. A sphere has the least drag. An elongated bullet shape is likely to start tumbling, which will slow it down even further.

796 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:16:07am

re: #785 Kenneth

Probably wise.

797 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:16:16am

Erudite is the greek goddess of naughty librarians.

798 nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:16:19am

re: #779 realwest

Thank you - do you know approximately when this happened?
I do remember a lot of players - from both leagues, congratulated Jeter several years ago - 1999 ? - when he became the all time leader in post season hits - more than anyone else in the history of baseball. When some Maroon from the NY Daily News or Post made a big deal out of it, Jeter just said
Leage Championships weren't around for Ted Williams and others.

Captain Team USA. Just this spring.

799 realwest  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:16:26am

re: #761 Kenneth
Hey Kenneth - good morning! Excellent comment and link. Now why is it that when another nation kills or enables a third group to kill Americans that's ok? We don't have a right to USE a clenched fist against Iran?
I felt the same way when we caught the Qods in Iraq when Bush was POTUS too.
Just NOT RIGHT to allow this shit to happen with NO repercussions to Iran, no matter who's POTUS.

800 razorbacker  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:16:26am

re: #780 JohnAdams

It is only right, and fitting, for so much of the Obamanation to be young. It is they, after all, and their children and their children's children forevermore who will be paying for this long after we are dust and forgotten.

801 vxbush  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:16:37am

re: #785 Kenneth

Hey, I resisted posting the equations.

But we like equations. Well, some of us do, anyway.

802 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:16:48am

re: #782 lawhawk

I agree that high speed electronic tolling would reduce congestion and traffic, but as implemented around here, it doesn't work because not all traffic plazas have the ability to create high speed lanes, and cash traffic backs up into the EZ Pass lanes.

They have EZ pass here in the NYC metro area, and toll plazas have dedicated EZ pass lanes and cash lanes (for those who don't have EZ Pass). You can see the mess that those cash lanes have on traffic every day - backing up the toll plazas causing delays at nearly every toll plaza in the area. (GWB traffic is representative - all that traffic is for the cash lane and it blocks the EZ pass lanes and causes multimile backups). Some of the toll plazas here have high speed EZ Pass - allowing near or full highway speeds, but not all plazas can be aligned in that fashion. There's also the cost involved. NJ installed EZ pass years back and the companies involved botched the job so royally that they've had a problem actually exceeding costs. They can't even get toll-evaders because the enforcement systems stink.

Here in North Texas, the plan is to eliminate all tollbooths on the older toll roads (the Dallas North Tollway and President George Bush Turnpike), and use just TollTags and ZipCash (where they read your license plate with high-speed cameras and send you a bill). The 121 Tollway is a completely no-cash toll road.

North Texas Tollway Authority

803 Noam Chumpski  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:17:12am

re: #751 Honorary Yooper

Good analysis on the mileage tax, but you are a bit off on the subject of toll roads and systems like EZPass. In Illinois, we have over 75% of tollway users using IPass, thus cutting down majorly on congestion and pollution. In addition, unlike some of the eastern states, we've converted the entire system so that there is no stopping or slowing down for mainline toll plazas. As such the two streams of traffic (IPass/EZPass using and cash only) are split, causing no delays for the IPass traffic.

Gosh, that sounds like how Withholding works on people's pay, you know? If you don't have to physically pay for it at the time then the government can expand/increase the fares and people will complain less.

Humble opinion.

804 UncleRancher  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:17:15am

re: #794 Occasional Reader

Of course there's the joke about the... well, I originally heard it as "Polish" hunters (insert "blonde" or whatever as you see fit) who become lost in the woods, and agree to fire shots in the air hoping to attract help. Finally one says to the other, "we should stop, it's getting dark and I'm almost out of arrows."

Now that's FUNNY. ;-)))))

805 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:18:50am

re: #794 Occasional Reader

I read this morning in the paper that an Iraqi soccer player was killed because happy fans were firing bullets into the air in celebration of their team's victory. One bullet went through this poor guy's chest and killed him. You know, the Arabs and Muslim world want us to take them VERY SERIOUSLY but it's pretty hard to take seriously a society that doesn't even understand the basic concept of what goes up must come down and that if it's a damned bullet, you can get very dead, very easily.

(Kenneth-don't give me a physics lecture-you know what I mean!)

806 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:20:11am

re: #802 Ward Cleaver

That's the kind of system that the state, city and MTA are looking to impose on the East River bridges like the Brooklyn Bridge to tax anyone coming into Manhattan from Brooklyn, Queens or the Bronx. Given the DOT and MTA skill at other major projects, I can envision only problems, cost overruns, and major failures in the process along the way. I've heard that the costs to implement the cashless tolls at those bridges would require imposing tolls of $6 or more to break even because it would cost hundreds of millions just to get the toll system up and running (not counting ongoing administrative costs and new bureaucracy thereafter).

807 nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:20:14am

Actor, Political Activist Ron Silver, 62, Dies

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I am sure this has been mentioned, but a great lose. My condolences got out to his family.

808 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:20:19am

re: #803 Noam Chumpski

Gosh, that sounds like how Withholding works on people's pay, you know? If you don't have to physically pay for it at the time then the government can expand/increase the fares and people will complain less.

I think you're getting a little too conspiracy-theory-y on this one. No WAY do I want to go back to cash-only toll plazas. They're awful. There are excellent reasons why they're being phased out.

809 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:20:22am

re: #799 realwest

The US & Iraq military has responded by arresting Iranian agents in Iraq. This has annoyed the Iranians and limited the extent of their meddling. I have no idea why the US never responded by bombing the terrorist training bases inside Iran. My guess is political fear of something like the "bombing Cambodia" syndrome.

810 vxbush  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:20:38am

re: #795 Kenneth

The penny would be going even slower. The shape of the object determines how much wind drag it generates. A sphere has the least drag. An elongated bullet shape is likely to start tumbling, which will slow it down even further.

Something about that does not sound right. If a sphere has the least resistance, why isn't the shuttle a sphere?

811 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:20:40am

re: #788 Golem Akbar

Gotta drink another cup of Zionist conspiracy, and then I can joing the little green bloggers.

This deserves a rotating title:

Starbucks: home of the Zionist genocidal apartheid bean

Coffee, apparently another Jewish invention of which we can be proud [smirk, snort, giggle . . .]

812 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:20:43am

re: #794 Occasional Reader

Of course there's the joke about the... well, I originally heard it as "Polish" hunters (insert "blonde" or whatever as you see fit) who become lost in the woods, and agree to fire shots in the air hoping to attract help. Finally one says to the other, "we should stop, it's getting dark and I'm almost out of arrows."

Could this be related?

Woman Shot by 30-Inch Arrow on New York City Street

813 JohnAdams  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:20:56am

re: #800 razorbacker

It is only right, and fitting, for so much of the Obamanation to be young. It is they, after all, and their children and their children's children forevermore who will be paying for this long after we are dust and forgotten.

We won't let them touch a hot stove. We can't let them believe in this band of nitwits. Basic parental responsibility.

814 pass the moonbaticide  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:21:05am

re: #805 WriterMom
Yes, I've heard that it's the Arab culture to fire into the air at celebrations.
That's why there's always a wedding party going on when they take shots at US aircraft.

815 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:21:45am

ATTENTION TORONTO LIZARDS:

George Galloway, a British politician and broadcaster, is an outspoken critic of Israel and a supporter of Hamas and Hizbollah. He will be a guest speaker at the Metropolitan United Church in Toronto. Following is the information regarding this forum:

"Resisting war from Gaza to Khandahar
MONDAY, MARCH 30
6:15pm: Doors open 7:00pm: Event begins
Metropolitan United Church
56 Queen Street East
Directions: Two blocks east of Yonge and Queen (parking available on site)

816 avanti  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:22:11am

Update on the bomber story, now even Chavez is denying the story. Russian bombers and ships have visited before, and are welcome again according to Chavez, but no bases.

link.

817 Noam Chumpski  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:22:23am

re: #802 Ward Cleaver

Here in North Texas, the plan is to eliminate all tollbooths on the older toll roads (the Dallas North Tollway and President George Bush Turnpike), and use just TollTags and ZipCash (where they read your license plate with high-speed cameras and send you a bill). The 121 Tollway is a completely no-cash toll road.

North Texas Tollway Authority

In Atlanta when they built Hwy400 (Atlanta) they instituted a toll booth to "pay for it" with the promise that it would all be dismantled when the project was paid back/for. Toll booths are very uncommon in GA.

It was all paid off sometime in the early 2000's, but they are still there. Taking my monies.

Once Gov't enters your life, it will never leave.

818 razorbacker  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:22:41am

Folks, I need some hep.

I read something on the 'tubes the other day about the MO state police issuing new guidelines on how to identify possible militia members, so as to be on guard when approaching these dangerous types.

Bumper stickers for Ron Paul, Bob Barr, etc. Speaking of a NAFTA highway from Mexico to Canada. Complaints about illegal immigration. The usual.

I've lost the link.

Can someone help?

819 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:22:52am

re: #814 pass the moonbaticide

Yes, they do it at weddings, too. Many brides, grooms and other family members have been killed at Arab weddings because of this.

820 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:23:07am

re: #811 Creeping Eruption

ok, I was talking about simple geometric shapes: sphere, cone, cylinder, cube etc. Air planes have very complex shapes in which the drag on certaoin surfaces is designed to be higher than the drag on others, providing airfoil lift.

821 Noam Chumpski  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:23:25am

re: #808 Occasional Reader

I think you're getting a little too conspiracy-theory-y on this one. No WAY do I want to go back to cash-only toll plazas. They're awful. There are excellent reasons why they're being phased out.

Apologies - I didn't mean any conspiracy. I was simply relating the commonality, you know?

822 realwest  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:23:34am

re: #785 Kenneth
And we all thank you for not posting those equations, too!
:)

823 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:23:55am

Morning all!

Isn't this just so special:

EU bans use of 'Miss' and 'Mrs' (and sportsmen and statesmen) because it claims they are sexist

Oh, there are numerous other "terms" included in the little booklet. Folks in the UK are up in arms about this, of course, but I think they're missing the silver lining here.

If these morons can be encouraged to continue working on silly crap like this, they just may be too preoccupied to actually do real damage to things like the economy.

Or maybe not.

824 vxbush  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:24:11am

re: #822 realwest

And we all thank you for not posting those equations, too!
:)

Well, speak for yourself. *sniff*

825 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:24:14am

Outgunned...by bamboo ?

Who the hell is issuing weapons over there ?

826 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:24:24am

re: #820 Kenneth

ok, I was talking about simple geometric shapes: sphere, cone, cylinder, cube etc. Air planes have very complex shapes in which the drag on certaoin surfaces is designed to be higher than the drag on others, providing airfoil lift.

I think you want to respond to post #810, but if I ever have a question about the aerodynamics of a coffee bean, you will be the first I ask. :)

827 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:24:34am

re: #806 lawhawk

That's the kind of system that the state, city and MTA are looking to impose on the East River bridges like the Brooklyn Bridge to tax anyone coming into Manhattan from Brooklyn, Queens or the Bronx. Given the DOT and MTA skill at other major projects, I can envision only problems, cost overruns, and major failures in the process along the way. I've heard that the costs to implement the cashless tolls at those bridges would require imposing tolls of $6 or more to break even because it would cost hundreds of millions just to get the toll system up and running (not counting ongoing administrative costs and new bureaucracy thereafter).

That's the polar opposite of the NTTA. Their projects typically come in early, and at or under budget. The plans are to remove all the tollbooths on the DNT and PGBT in the next two years, and reassign toll booth workers to other jobs within the NTTA. I'm not crazy about toll roads, but they get built a helluva lot faster, since they're funded with bonds, and don't have to rely on the state legislature for funds and prioritization.

828 pass the moonbaticide  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:24:58am

re: #815 WriterMom
That 'United' bit in the Church's name ... Any connection to other 'United' churches of our acquantance (rev. Wright ?)
That denomination appears to have given up on any meaningful preaching of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

829 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:25:33am

re: #816 avanti

Update on the bomber story, now even Chavez is denying the story. Russian bombers and ships have visited before, and are welcome again according to Chavez, but no bases.

link.

Chavez denying it? Then obviously it'll never happen.

/

830 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:25:39am

re: #826 Creeping Eruption

I love good coffee. I hate Starbucks. We just got an espresso maker a few months ago, and I am Master Suburban Joooo Mom Barrista of My Own Domain.

831 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:25:41am
832 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:26:22am

re: #831 buzzsawmonkey

Dibs on the prune.

833 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:26:26am

re: #818 razorbacker

Folks, I need some hep.

I read something on the 'tubes the other day about the MO state police issuing new guidelines on how to identify possible militia members, so as to be on guard when approaching these dangerous types.

Bumper stickers for Ron Paul, Bob Barr, etc. Speaking of a NAFTA highway from Mexico to Canada. Complaints about illegal immigration. The usual.

I've lost the link.

Can someone help?

Cars without license plates (like Timothy McVeigh)?

834 vxbush  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:26:27am

re: #830 WriterMom

I love good coffee. I hate Starbucks. We just got an espresso maker a few months ago, and I am Master Suburban Joooo Mom Barrista of My Own Domain.

Now that sounds like a title worthy of putting on a business card!

835 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:26:48am

re: #815 WriterMom

Golloway is defending Hamas and Hezbollah at Toronto's "Gay Church"...?

Ouch, my head hurts, the cognitive dissonance is killing me!

836 nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:26:55am

Tender, Juicy Obama Fingers Hit the Shelves

By Charles Hawley
A German frozen food company hopes to raise sales with a new product: Obama fingers. The tender, fried chicken bits come with a tasty curry sauce. The company says it was unaware of the possible racist overtones of the product.

[Link: www.spiegel.de...]

So you can't mention any Black person and Chicken in the same sentence? I mean it's rather undignified to name them after a President, but they did worse under President Bush?

837 JohnAdams  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:27:17am

re: #828 pass the moonbaticide


That 'United' bit in the Church's name ... Any connection to other 'United' churches of our acquantance (rev. Wright ?)
That denomination appears to have given up on any meaningful preaching of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Nice avatar and NIC.
Out. Gotta go make somethin' happen!

838 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:28:08am
839 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:28:10am

re: #819 WriterMom

Yes, they do it at weddings, too. Many brides, grooms and other family members have been killed at Arab weddings because of this.

I'll resist the temptation to make a comment that Stinky wouldn't like.

840 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:28:13am
841 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:28:30am
842 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:28:39am

re: #816 avanti

Update on the bomber story, now even Chavez is denying the story. Russian bombers and ships have visited before, and are welcome again according to Chavez, but no bases.

link.

Nothing to see here, folks. Move on. Pay no attention to the military official who leaked....er....mispoke about future....er...completely hypothetical Russian bases in our hemisphere.

843 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:28:46am

re: #808 Occasional Reader

It does seem a bit conspiracy theory-ish, but there's some basis for it.
I used to object to the EZPass being used in MA, because of the potential privacy concerns. When it was approved (about ten years ago?) and put into effect there were countless guarantees from the Leg. that it would never be used for anything but toll collecting and that there would be some sort of "wall" between a person's personal info. and their account.
Of course, almost immediately Law Enforcement began using it to search for suspect vehicles (kind of reasonable) and it quickly transpired that the tolls and their usage were pretty much public records. People have used them in divorce cases to prove adultery, municipalities have used it to investigate/track employees, and others have used it as a defense.
The long and short of it is that the State government knows every time you're on a toll road, where you got on, where you got off and how fast you got from A to B.
The chance of this information not being abused is zero.

844 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:29:27am

re: #805 WriterMom

It sounds like it was a direct shot, not one that went way up and then came down. Sick idiotic death cult.

845 Golem Akbar  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:29:31am

re: #807 nevergiveup

Actor, Political Activist Ron Silver, 62, Dies

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I am sure this has been mentioned, but a great lose. My condolences got out to his family.

I read (but can't find the link, right now) that he had esophogeal cancer. My BIL had esophogeal cancer, it metasticized to his liver, and he was given just weeks to live. Then, my BIL found a clinical trial, and he has survived over a year. His esophagus is now clear of any cancer and the spot on his liver has shrunk over 50%.

I mention this because we can't just give up hope. We need to keep fighting, even when hope is slim. Just a reminder. [Golem has left the soapbox...]

846 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:29:50am

re: #817 Noam Chumpski

In Atlanta when they built Hwy400 (Atlanta) they instituted a toll booth to "pay for it" with the promise that it would all be dismantled when the project was paid back/for. Toll booths are very uncommon in GA.

It was all paid off sometime in the early 2000's, but they are still there. Taking my monies.

Once Gov't enters your life, it will never leave.

Wiki says the bond won't be paid for until 2011. I can't find a more official source however.

847 pass the moonbaticide  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:30:11am

re: #837 JohnAdams
Thank You. Zombie said it was his/her favourite LGF nic ever !
I was chuffed (as we say in the UK ).
/Mandy a close second, of course.

848 eon  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:30:12am

re: #768 avanti

I may be wrong, but I don't agree with your physics. If the bullet goes up completely vertical, all of it's energy
will be expended and it's only gain what gravity gives it, less wind resistance. If it travels off angle, different story.

Mythbusters confirms a vertical shot coming down is non lethal..Link

Actually, if you read further down, you see that in fact their experiment in the Mojave Desert more or less confirms the opposite. The .30-06 bullets they fired traveled so far they could not be found, indicating that they were very likely coming down with a lot more velocity than the same bullets would achieve simply being dropped from 400 feet up from a balloon. (32fpsE2 vs. MV of 2850 fps assuming standard 150 grain ball).

Also note that firing a bullet perfectly vertically is very difficult. Most people doing it for "fun" just cock the muzzle up at a "comfortable" angle and let fly, which is why I said about 60 degrees. ( I had one guy tell me one New Year's Eve that it was "safer" than firing it straight up. I told him, "For you, maybe, not for somebody living a mile or so away from you.")

Even pistol bullets can reach some fairly extreme ranges, much more than that shown by the Mythbusters. According to Michel Josserand and Jan Stevenson in Pistols, Revolvers, and Ammunition (Bonanza Press, 1972, Chapter 6, "Ballistics", p. 165);


The Army, by empirical testing, found that a .45 auto would throw a slug 1,640 yards, while a .380 ACP was good for 1,089. The NRA technical staff calculated the .38 Special to reach 1,800 yards- well over a mile, while the .357 Magnum, at 2,350, was within 300 yards of the mile-and-a-half mark. The .44 Magnum pushed out to 2,500 yards, while the 7.62mm (Tokarev) and 9mm Parabellum rounds were good for 1,900 yards each. The British found that even a watermelon like the .455 Webley would reach an astonishing 1,300 yards when fired at a 35 degree angle above horizontal.

It should be reiterated that these bullets are not sifting harmlessly down from the heavens like some sort of leaden manna; they are riding a heavy head of steam. Gravity is pulling them back to Earth on a vertical vector, but they still carry a deadly punch on the forward vector.

Which means that any way you slice it, when it comes back down, its going to hurt.

Have to run. Have a great day, Lizards.

cheers

eon

849 nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:30:23am

Any Denver Broncos fans out there? My NY Jets need a quarterback. What's going on with Cutler?

850 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:30:29am

Got this in an email. Thought it was good for a laugh or two.

QUESTIONS THAT WILL HAUNT YOU

Can you cry under water?

How important does a person have to be before they are considered assassinated instead of just murdered?

Why do you have to "put your two cents in"... but it's only a "penny for your thoughts"? Where's that extra penny going to?

Once you're in heaven, do you get stuck wearing the clothes you were buried in for eternity?

Why does a round pizza come in a square box?

What disease did cured ham actually have?

How is it that we put man on the moon before we figured out it would be a good idea to put wheels on luggage?

Why is it that people say they "slept like a baby" when babies wake up like every two hours?

Why are you IN a movie, but you're ON TV?

Why do people pay to go up tall buildings and then put money in binoculars to look at things on the ground?

Why do doctors leave the room while you change? They're going to see you naked anyway.

Why is "bra" singular and "panties" plural?

Why do toasters always have a setting that burns the toast to a horrible crisp, which no decent human being would eat?

If Jimmy cracks corn and no one cares, why is there a stupid song about him?

Can a hearse carrying a corpse drive in the carpool lane ?

f the professor on Gilligan's Island can make a radio out of a coconut, why can't he fix a hole in a boat?

Why does Goofy stand erect while Pluto remains on all fours? They're both dogs!

If Wile E. Coyote had enough money to buy all that ACME crap, why didn't he just buy dinner?

If corn oil is made from corn, and vegetable oil is made from vegetables, what is baby oil made from?

If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons?

Do the Alphabet song and Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star have the same tune?

Why did you just try singing the two songs above?

Why do they call it an asteroid when it's outside the hemisphere, but call it a hemorrhoid when it's in your butt?

Did you ever notice that when you blow in a dog's face, he gets mad at you, but when you take him for a car ride, he sticks his head out the window?

Why did Kamikaze pilots wear helmets?

851 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:31:08am

re: #817 Noam Chumpski

In Atlanta when they built Hwy400 (Atlanta) they instituted a toll booth to "pay for it" with the promise that it would all be dismantled when the project was paid back/for. Toll booths are very uncommon in GA.

It was all paid off sometime in the early 2000's, but they are still there. Taking my monies.

Once Gov't enters your life, it will never leave.

The original toll road here, the Dallas-Fort Worth Turnpike (now a stretch of I-30, AKA the Tom Landry Highway) opened as a toll road in 1957, and the tollbooths were taken up in 1978, when it became a free road. On the newer ones run by NTTA, the tolls are used to fund new projects.

852 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:31:34am

re: #830 WriterMom

I love good coffee. I hate Starbucks.

The second statement logically flows from the first.

853 realwest  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:31:51am

re: #809 Kenneth

The US & Iraq military has responded by arresting Iranian agents in Iraq. This has annoyed the Iranians and limited the extent of their meddling. I have no idea why the US never responded by bombing the terrorist training bases inside Iran. My guess is political fear of something like the "bombing Cambodia" syndrome.


I want to do more than "annoy" Iranians for murdering American troops (and yes, they are not at war, so it is murder) something a lot more - sorta like interest for 1979 and 1983, ya know?
But I'm just old fashioned that way - don't kill our troops in somebody else's country and we won't leave your country a smoldering ruin.

854 yma o hyd  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:31:54am

re: #823 subsailor68

Morning all!

Isn't this just so special:

EU bans use of 'Miss' and 'Mrs' (and sportsmen and statesmen) because it claims they are sexist

Oh, there are numerous other "terms" included in the little booklet. Folks in the UK are up in arms about this, of course, but I think they're missing the silver lining here.

If these morons can be encouraged to continue working on silly crap like this, they just may be too preoccupied to actually do real damage to things like the economy.

Or maybe not.

Hiya, Lizard Nation!

What a wonderful, inane story to start the week on.
Its not April 1st yet, is it?

and I wodner, if this goes trough, what they'll call Mrs Merkel, who is now knwon, for her stance against EU porkulus, as 'Madame Non'!

855 Noam Chumpski  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:32:15am

re: #846 DaddyG

Wiki says the bond won't be paid for until 2011. I can't find a more official source however.

The AJC reported years ago that it was paid for, but.... was it the Mayor or the State who owns it(?)... they were going to keep them up.

I'll check on it and see if I can verify, but it's sort of a pet peeve of mine and I remember the article very clearly and ranting to my gf about it. :)

856 razorbacker  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:33:02am

re: #833 Ward Cleaver

Nah. I found it.

Missouri report on militias, terrorists draws criticism

Neal, who has a Ron Paul bumper sticker on his car, said the next time he is pulled over by a police officer, he won't know whether it's because he was speeding or because of his political views.

"If a police officer is pulling me over with my family in the car and he sees a bumper sticker on my vehicle that has been specifically identified as one that an extremist would have in their vehicle, the guy is probably going to be pretty apprehensive and not thinking in a rational manner," Neal said. "And this guy's walking up to my vehicle with a gun."

But Hotz said using factors in the report to determine whether someone could be a terrorist is not profiling. He said people who display signs or bumper stickers from third-party groups are not in danger of harassment from police.

"It's giving the makeup of militia members and their political beliefs," Hotz said of the report. "It's not saying that everybody who supports these candidates is involved in a militia. It's not even saying that all militias are bad."

Government has to spend those tax dollars on something. Might as well be things like this.

857 Noam Chumpski  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:33:07am

re: #851 Ward Cleaver

The original toll road here, the Dallas-Fort Worth Turnpike (now a stretch of I-30, AKA the Tom Landry Highway) opened as a toll road in 1957, and the tollbooths were taken up in 1978, when it became a free road. On the newer ones run by NTTA, the tolls are used to fund new projects.

No fair - that example comes from Texas. ;)

858 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:33:24am

re: #782 lawhawk

I agree that high speed electronic tolling would reduce congestion and traffic, but as implemented around here, it doesn't work because not all traffic plazas have the ability to create high speed lanes, and cash traffic backs up into the EZ Pass lanes.

They have EZ pass here in the NYC metro area, and toll plazas have dedicated EZ pass lanes and cash lanes (for those who don't have EZ Pass). You can see the mess that those cash lanes have on traffic every day - backing up the toll plazas causing delays at nearly every toll plaza in the area. (GWB traffic is representative - all that traffic is for the cash lane and it blocks the EZ pass lanes and causes multimile backups). Some of the toll plazas here have high speed EZ Pass - allowing near or full highway speeds, but not all plazas can be aligned in that fashion. There's also the cost involved. NJ installed EZ pass years back and the companies involved botched the job so royally that they've had a problem actually exceeding costs. They can't even get toll-evaders because the enforcement systems stink.

We kept the locations of most existing toll plazas, so converting them can be done in most locations. Even some of the ramp plazas were converted to high speed IPass locations. Here's an example of a retrofitted toll plaza on the Tri-State Tollway (I-294, Cermak Road Plaza). The middle of the plaza was taken out for the high-speed lanes. Another example on the North-South Tollway (I-355, Boughton Road Plaza). Again, the middle was removed for the high-speed lanes, leaving the plaza with the same footprint as before.

859 jjmckay1216  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:33:54am

re: #849 nevergiveup

Any Denver Broncos fans out there? My NY Jets need a quarterback. What's going on with Cutler?

Cutler has damanded a trade

860 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:34:22am

re: #854 yma o hyd

Hiya, Lizard Nation!

What a wonderful, inane story to start the week on.
Its not April 1st yet, is it?

and I wodner, if this goes trough, what they'll call Mrs Merkel, who is now knwon, for her stance against EU porkulus, as 'Madame Non'!

Hi yma! Inane is the perfect term! With all the nasty stuff going down - real damage being done by politicians world-wide, thought it might be nice to show how dumb they can actually be - even on the little things.

;-)

861 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:34:24am

re: #828 pass the moonbaticide

The United Church of Canada is not related in anyway to Wright's old church. It is however, a fully post-modern church dominated by politically correct leftists. They do talk about Jesus, love & forgiveness, but not much about sin or righteousness.

862 avanti  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:34:27am

re: #829 Ward Cleaver

Chavez denying it? Then obviously it'll never happen.

/

I just knew to expect that reply. A Commie air force guy floats the hypothetical, the Commie Putin and Chavez deny it and you play pick the Commie to believe.

863 pass the moonbaticide  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:35:08am

re: #854 yma o hyd
Greetings, my Welsh friend.
What does your name mean ?
My wife's Welsh (Newport) but utterly useless at that language .

864 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:35:15am

re: #830 WriterMom

I love good coffee. I hate Starbucks. We just got an espresso maker a few months ago, and I am Master Suburban Joooo Mom Barrista of My Own Domain.

GO check out Golem's post at #788. It is hysterical. I'll bet you did not know that Starbucks is the home of the Zionist genocidal apartheid bean.

865 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:35:28am

re: #836 nevergiveup

Tender, Juicy Obama Fingers Hit the Shelves

By Charles Hawley
A German frozen food company hopes to raise sales with a new product: Obama fingers. The tender, fried chicken bits come with a tasty curry sauce. The company says it was unaware of the possible racist overtones of the product.

[Link: www.spiegel.de...]

So you can't mention any Black person and Chicken in the same sentence? I mean it's rather undignified to name them after a President, but they did worse under President Bush?

Ha. They look all tasty on the outside, but they're empty inside.
Either that, or there is a note "The noble workers of the socialist state are still working to supply the chicken."

866 nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:35:52am

re: #859 jjmckay1216

Cutler has damanded a trade

Yup, I heard that. I have not really seen much of Cutler. Is he any good?

867 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:36:01am
868 nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:36:48am

re: #862 avanti

I just knew to expect that reply. A Commie air force guy floats the hypothetical, the Commie Putin and Chavez deny it and you play pick the Commie to believe.

I don't believe any Commie personally. I just expect the worse. Urh--make that commie bastard.

869 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:36:50am
870 pass the moonbaticide  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:37:17am

re: #861 Kenneth
Jesus told His disciples to 'Sell what you have and buy a sword' (sorry, can't remember reference.
I'll bet that verse isn't preached much.

871 realwest  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:37:22am

re: #816 avanti
From your link ""I told President Medvedev that any time Russia's strategic aviation needs to make a stop in Venezuela as part of its strategic plans, Venezuela is available," he said.
That "he said" refers to Chavez.
Well I'm certainly relieved to hear that news!

872 ilzito guacamolito  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:37:25am

re: #850 Ford_Prefect

Got this in an email. Thought it was good for a laugh or two.

QUESTIONS THAT WILL HAUNT YOU


Why do we park on driveways and drive on parkways?

873 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:38:06am

re: #869 buzzsawmonkey

The only good thing you can say about Starbucks is that you can get a cup of coffee almost anywhere Queequeg-ly. It becomes Ahab-it; some people even carry around a Flask of the stuff with a Stubb-y little cup to drink it with.

It's not too bad if you use a whale of a lot of whitener.

Don't be a Moby, or a Dick. We are talking coffee here thank you.

874 yma o hyd  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:38:35am

re: #860 subsailor68

Hi yma! Inane is the perfect term! With all the nasty stuff going down - real damage being done by politicians world-wide, thought it might be nice to show how dumb they can actually be - even on the little things.

;-)

They are dumb - especially on little things.
It wouldn't be so bad if we didn't have to pay through our noses for them to come up with that sort of asininity!

The Brussels eurocrats have made our lives so much worse.

875 jjmckay1216  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:38:54am

re: #866 nevergiveup

Yup, I heard that. I have not really seen much of Cutler. Is he any good?

he is getting better and has a good upside. Not sure what's gonna happen in the Brandon Marshall saga, he is best wr on team. If his offensive line gives him some protection, he can be better, but he can elude the rush and scramble and throw on the run if need be. Fave QB is Brett farve if that says anything

876 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:39:07am

re: #858 Honorary Yooper

They have something similar (splitting high speed and cash lanes) on the NJT at Exit 18W, the GSP at Exit 129, and at the Tappan Zee (among others) but not at other locations because of ramp locations and configurations. It's at those locations where they're not installing the high speed lanes that the traffic mess is worse than ever.

877 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:39:10am

re: #827 Ward Cleaver

That's the polar opposite of the NTTA. Their projects typically come in early, and at or under budget. The plans are to remove all the tollbooths on the DNT and PGBT in the next two years, and reassign toll booth workers to other jobs within the NTTA. I'm not crazy about toll roads, but they get built a helluva lot faster, since they're funded with bonds, and don't have to rely on the state legislature for funds and prioritization.

The ISTHA is similar to your NTTA in that regard. (Granted this is Illinois, so any government agency gets abused a bit for graft.) We would never have gotten the I-355 extension through Will County without the Tollway, and they're quickly becoming the best way to build new ones (Prairie Parkway, Illinana Expressway) in the area due to Illinois's major budget deficit. They also get widened and improved faster. Currently, you can drive the entire system without stopping.

878 albusteve  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:39:36am

re: #849 nevergiveup

Any Denver Broncos fans out there? My NY Jets need a quarterback. What's going on with Cutler?

his house is for sale...and he's pissed

879 HippieforLife  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:39:46am

Well, the O is going to spend this week again keeping us safe.

He will go on The Tonight Show so we can feel the hope and change!

*spit*

880 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:39:53am

re: #857 Noam Chumpski

No fair - that example comes from Texas. ;)

And yes, the Tom Landry Highway has signs with a hat logo on them.

881 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:39:58am

OH
MAH
GAWD

Fluffy puff piece on Obamas-THE SEXY HOTTIE ROCK STARS.

"How long has it been since a first couple really WANTED each other?"
EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

882 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:39:59am
883 Noam Chumpski  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:40:06am

re: #846 DaddyG

Wiki says the bond won't be paid for until 2011. I can't find a more official source however.

Apologies; below must be what I was thinking about for GA400 and I must have mangled my memory of the issue. They are already working to extend the tolls past 2011. Apologies for mis-representing the facts, but my point remains that they won't give it up:

An agreement devised by Georgia's top transportation officials and kept from public scrutiny would allow money generated by tolls on Georgia 400 to be used to build the Northern Arc.

The agreement, which amended the 1991 financial package used to build Ga. 400, was signed by Georgia Transportation Commissioner Tom Coleman, State Road and Tollway Authority Executive Director Jim Croy and Federal Highway Administration Infrastructure Program Manager King Gee on Jan. 2, 2001.

Once the Ga. 400 bonds are paid off in August 2011, the modification to the agreement allows toll booths on that road to continue to collect money, which can be used to pay for any road project that qualifies for federal highway funding, including the $2.4 billion Northern Arc.

Under terms of the original funding for Ga. 400, the collection of tolls was supposed to stop once the bonds used to build the road were paid off.

While Coleman, Croy and federal highway officials were crafting the agreement through the fall, they did not discuss the issue with Atlanta officials or others interested in the fate of Ga. 400 and the proposed Northern Arc. Since signing the agreement, they have remained mum about its existence.

884 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:40:34am

re: #864 Creeping Eruption

There is nothing the Jews don't control! Bwahahahaha!

885 albusteve  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:40:48am

re: #866 nevergiveup

Yup, I heard that. I have not really seen much of Cutler. Is he any good?

Pro Bowl two years ago

886 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:40:49am

re: #849 nevergiveup

Any Denver Broncos fans out there? My NY Jets need a quarterback. What's going on with Cutler?

Thought you had Favre. Oh, thats right, he's doing his second annual retirement.

887 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:40:50am

re: #881 WriterMom

We can rule out Clinton and Kennedy, that's for sure.

888 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:40:53am

re: #882 buzzsawmonkey

E-Shmael?

889 jjmckay1216  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:41:05am

re: #878 albusteve

his house is for sale...and he's pissed

and his parents have put theirs up for sale too. He's outa there

890 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:41:27am

re: #879 HippieforLife

Well, the O is going to spend this week again keeping us safe.

He will go on The Tonight Show so we can feel the hope and change!

*spit*

It still is a campaign to him.

891 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:41:32am

re: #873 Creeping Eruption

Starbuck's co. say the company was named after the first mate in Moby Dick because he loved coffee so much. But in fact, Starbuck drank no coffee at any time in the novel. He did throw a load of tea overboard at one point. But his preferred drink was rum.

892 yma o hyd  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:41:33am

re: #863 pass the moonbaticide


Greetings, my Welsh friend.
What does your name mean ?
My wife's Welsh (Newport) but utterly useless at that language .

Hiya - it means 'still here' - and I pinched it from the chorus of what is know as the inofficial national anthem, a song by that Welsh nationalist, Dafydd Irwan.

I'm not a native speaker either, and the antics of the Welsh Language fascists are getting up our noses here in the Capital ... why can't they keep that stuff up North?

893 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:41:43am

re: #882 buzzsawmonkey

The other thing is, lots of people like to hang out there with their laptops and check their Ishmael.

I'd prefer if they'd just call me instead.

894 ilzito guacamolito  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:41:45am

re: #881 WriterMom

OH
MAH
GAWD

Fluffy puff piece on Obamas-THE SEXY HOTTIE ROCK STARS.

"How long has it been since a first couple really WANTED each other?"
EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW


Quick! Pass the insulin and the barfbag.

895 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:41:53am

re: #888 WriterMom

E-Shmael?

"Call me E-Shmael"?

896 Athens Runaway  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:41:57am

re: #882 buzzsawmonkey

The other thing is, lots of people like to hang out there with their laptops and check their Ishmael.


Ahab a problem with these running gags...

897 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:42:21am

re: #894 ilzito guacamolito

Quick! Pass the insulin and the barfbag.

Pass the handgun.

898 realwest  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:42:28am

re: #827 Ward Cleaver
Hi Ward! "Their projects typically come in early, and at or under budget."
I'm pretty sure that's illegal in NYC.
Just saying...............

899 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:42:31am

re: #855 Noam Chumpski

The AJC reported years ago that it was paid for, but.... was it the Mayor or the State who owns it(?)... they were going to keep them up.

I'll check on it and see if I can verify, but it's sort of a pet peeve of mine and I remember the article very clearly and ranting to my gf about it. :)

The State owns it. Here is the most recent article I could find that refers to a 2011 payoff for the original bond. Change coming for Ga. 400 tolls.

Mike Evans proposed stopping tolls in 2011 before he resigned from the transportation board. Governor Perdue has had issues with the board which has not been responsive to citizens in the past and is working with Legislative leaders to take some power from the board and return it to an appointed cabinet level position.

All I can say is I hope any changes do make the DOT and other Transportation entities more responsive to citizens. The DOT just forced out an up and coming state leader who was trying to do just that. They claim it isn't in retaliation for the moves that the Governor and Legislature has made against their hold on power, but somehow I don't buy that at all.

900 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:42:40am

re: #867 taxfreekiller

Hugo Chavez denies President Bush smells like the Devil to him, more like
"Forest Green" air freshener says Hugo to the "Avanti Associated Press".

Hey tfk don't get on Avanti's case he may start whining again.///

901 razorbacker  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:42:45am

Promised the wife that I'd get her closet organizer installed today.

I'm not sure how long that little feller will survive locked in there, but, hey, he knew the downside when he took the job, I guess.

See y'all later.

902 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:42:51am

re: #895 Ward Cleaver

ROFL.

Or maybe e-Shmael would be better.

903 Athens Runaway  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:42:58am

re: #897 Ward Cleaver
Some nice men in black suits should be showing up to visit any time now (I keed, I keed)

904 nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:43:22am

re: #886 Creeping Eruption

Thought you had Favre. Oh, thats right, he's doing his second annual retirement.

I think it's his third, but who's counting?

905 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:43:29am

re: #891 Kenneth

Starbuck's co. say the company was named after the first mate in Moby Dick because he loved coffee so much. But in fact, Starbuck drank no coffee at any time in the novel. He did throw a load of tea overboard at one point. But his preferred drink was rum.

"Rum, the lash, and sodomy"?

/as michael savage used to say

906 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:43:47am

re: #876 lawhawk

Here's a similar setup at Exit 165 on the GSP.

907 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:43:48am

re: #882 buzzsawmonkey

The other thing is, lots of people like to hang out there with their laptops and check their Ishmael.

Why do you keep harpoon on that?!

908 yma o hyd  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:43:50am

re: #881 WriterMom

OH
MAH
GAWD

Fluffy puff piece on Obamas-THE SEXY HOTTIE ROCK STARS.

"How long has it been since a first couple really WANTED each other?"
EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

Ewwww indeed - and it hasn't been that long - Tony and Cherie Blair produced a baby while in 10 Downing Street ...

909 vxbush  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:44:11am

re: #890 Ward Cleaver

It still is a campaign to him.

Good L-rd. What a shmuck.

910 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:44:18am

re: #904 nevergiveup

I think it's his third, but who's counting?

Don't let the door hit you on the way out . . . tool

911 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:44:32am

re: #908 yma o hyd

You question the WANTINGNESS of the Obamas to the Blairs? OFF with your head!

912 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:44:57am

re: #907 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Why do you keep harpoon on that?!

Is someone going to blubber about a pun thread?

913 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:45:00am

re: #903 Athens Runaway

Some nice men in black suits should be showing up to visit any time now (I keed, I keed)

No, I wanted to shoot myself (at the thought of them "doin' it").

914 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:45:07am

re: #876 lawhawk

They have something similar (splitting high speed and cash lanes) on the NJT at Exit 18W, the GSP at Exit 129, and at the Tappan Zee (among others) but not at other locations because of ramp locations and configurations. It's at those locations where they're not installing the high speed lanes that the traffic mess is worse than ever.

We solved some of the problems by making ramp traffic near a toll plaza go only through the cash plaza (IPass works in all lanes, so this is no big deal). The cash plaza lanes then become a sort of collector/distributor lane for the exit/entry ramps. Other ones were solved by moving the plaza down the road a bit. A good example is the York Road Plaza and the new Meyers Road Plaza on I-88. Originally, all traffic went through the York Road Plaza. Then, for the high-speed lanes, they moved the eastbound plaza west a couple of miles to Meyers Road, and separated the eastbound and westbound plazas. This was managed with minimal right-of-way accquisition.

915 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:45:45am
916 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:46:05am

re: #883 Noam Chumpski

No apology neccessary. The f"acts" aren't easy to get ahold of (as you can see from my posting) and I'm even in state government!

Your point still stands. Once you give government a way to tax or collect revenue they are not likely to give it back. (Not even if the Governor want it.)

917 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:46:10am
918 Athens Runaway  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:46:14am

re: #913 Ward Cleaver

Gah, now I have that in my head. Pass the Mindbleach, please

919 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:46:16am

re: #905 Ward Cleaver

"Rum, the lash, and sodomy"?

/as michael savage used to say

LOL! Interesting trivia about that quote (from the Churchill Centre):

"The only traditions of the Royal Navy are rum, sodomy and the lash." - -- Winston Churchill.

Churchill's assistant, Anthony Montague-Browne said that although Churchill had not uttered these words, he wished he had.

920 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:46:26am

re: #912 Creeping Eruption

Is someone going to blubber about a pun thread?

That's oil some people know how to do.

921 avanti  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:46:34am

re: #871 realwest

From your link ""I told President Medvedev that any time Russia's strategic aviation needs to make a stop in Venezuela as part of its strategic plans, Venezuela is available," he said.
That "he said" refers to Chavez.
Well I'm certainly relieved to hear that news!

They've stopped in the past during the GW administration, nothing new there, just a we do in eastern Europe. Bases are a different issue, and are destabilizing for either side. That's why the Russians are going nuts over a missile defense system in their former territories and why we keep trading back and forth in a shell game.

922 yma o hyd  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:46:56am

re: #911 WriterMom

You question the WANTINGNESS of the Obamas to the Blairs? OFF with your head!

Bbbbut ... don't they regard the Blairs as the perfect example?


I wanna keep me head, waaaaahhhhhh!

923 albusteve  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:47:02am

re: #910 Creeping Eruption

Don't let the door hit you on the way out . . . tool

give him a break...he's been a hell of a player and great for the league

924 vxbush  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:47:25am

re: #901 razorbacker

Promised the wife that I'd get her closet organizer installed today.

I'm not sure how long that little feller will survive locked in there, but, hey, he knew the downside when he took the job, I guess.

See y'all later.

I need to do that with my kitchen pantry. It's small, so I need to get an organizer to help me maximize what space I have.

Which one did you get, and why?

925 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:47:39am

Charles is awake!

926 Athens Runaway  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:47:43am

re: #920 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Don't be so crude.

927 pass the moonbaticide  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:47:45am

re: #892 yma o hyd
Thank you. You've probably 'spoken' to my wife, actually. She posts as 'Nene1'. I used to live in Newport myself - that's how we met - but moved to near Portsmouth after our marriage.
Interesting people, the Welsh.
PS - Come on - You can annihilate the Irish in the Six Nations ! At home in the Millenium Stadium ? IN THE BAG.
/Sorry to Irish Lizards, even though it's St. Patrick's tomorrow.

928 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:48:43am

re: #923 albusteve

give him a break...he's been a hell of a player and great for the league

Notice that you stated evrything in the past tense. :)

929 albusteve  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:49:29am

re: #928 Creeping Eruption

Notice that you stated evrything in the past tense. :)

I really hope he's done...like finished...over

930 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:50:01am

re: #896 Athens Runaway

Ahab a problem with these running gags...

You will run into a Peck of trouble if you complain.

931 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:50:08am

re: #929 albusteve

I really hope he's done...like finished...over

I can't imagine who would pick him out if he even wanted to come back.

932 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:50:34am

re: #921 avanti

Do you ever find it odd that you're constantly defending or minimizing the threat from freedom hating nations ranging from Russia to North Korea to Venezuela? You've got a real hard-on for dictators don't you?

933 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:50:50am

re: #931 Creeping Eruption

I can't imagine who would pick him out up if he even wanted to come back.

934 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:51:44am

re: #926 Athens Runaway

Don't be so crude.

You can get yourself into a whale of a lot of trouble, trying to switch this to a petroleum-pun thread.

935 yma o hyd  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:51:57am

re: #927 pass the moonbaticide


Thank you. You've probably 'spoken' to my wife, actually. She posts as 'Nene1'. I used to live in Newport myself - that's how we met - but moved to near Portsmouth after our marriage.
Interesting people, the Welsh.
PS - Come on - You can annihilate the Irish in the Six Nations ! At home in the Millenium Stadium ? IN THE BAG.
/Sorry to Irish Lizards, even though it's St. Patrick's tomorrow.

Gawd - I'm so angry about these 6N, I can hardly contain meself! want to string them all up, I do!

I just hope they get on O'Gara's ennves from the kick-off, like last time, he's rubbish once he loses it.
Got to beat them by two tries ... at least the frogs can't sneak behind our backs and win it any longer, never thought I'd be grateful to the Auld Enemy!

Is it really that warm, right now, down where you live? Like they said in the papers?

936 albusteve  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:52:49am

re: #931 Creeping Eruption

I can't imagine who would pick him out if he even wanted to come back.

his wife needs to step in....he's just loves the game so intensley...my son modeled his game after Brett...some players just can't stop and I don't hold it against him...he should have stayed as a backup in GB

937 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:53:39am

re: #881 WriterMom

OH
MAH
GAWD

Fluffy puff piece on Obamas-THE SEXY HOTTIE ROCK STARS.

"How long has it been since a first couple really WANTED each other?"
EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW


YUCK! I'm so sick of seeing their mugs on the cover of every frickin' magazine.
Refuse to purchase any if they are on it, or in it.

938 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:53:58am

re: #936 albusteve

his wife needs to step in....he's just loves the game so intensley...my son modeled his game after Brett...some players just can't stop and I don't hold it against him...he should have stayed as a backup in GB

He should have just stayed in Green Bay and retired with grace. Nice way to trash a legacy of just about the greatest QB in that ever played the game.

939 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:54:11am

re: #872 ilzito guacamolito

Why do we park on driveways and drive on parkways?

If the plural of goose is geese, why isn't the plural of moose not meese?

940 pass the moonbaticide  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:55:00am

re: #935 yma o hyd
Quite bright and sunny today. Considering there was frost last week ...
Must be Global Warming Er, Climate Change.

941 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:55:10am

re: #937 newsjunkie_ky

YUCK! I'm so sick of seeing their mugs on the cover of every frickin' magazine.
Refuse to purchase any if they are on it, or in it.

Well, if they were on the cover of Unemployment Monthly, I might pick up a copy.

;-)

942 vxbush  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:55:51am

re: #939 Ford_Prefect

If the plural of goose is geese, why isn't the plural of moose not meese?

True story: Several of us female lizards play Scrabble, and I had to look up a word: shoon. Turns out it is the plural of shoe! It may be used in the UK, but it's fairly obsolete in the US.

943 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:55:52am

re: #939 Ford_Prefect

If the plural of goose is geese, why isn't the plural of moose not meese?

It was until Ed Meese became AG and pushed through new legislation changing the English language.

944 albusteve  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:56:17am

re: #938 Creeping Eruption

He should have just stayed in Green Bay and retired with grace. Nice way to trash a legacy of just about the greatest QB in that ever played the game.

he doesn't see it that way tho...what made him great was the competition and he can't NOT be a starter...what made him great was his downfall....it's the nature of it....

945 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:57:17am

re: #944 albusteve

he doesn't see it that way tho...what made him great was the competition and he can't NOT be a starter...what made him great was his downfall....it's the nature of it....

Just as long as he stays down this time.

946 realwest  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:58:41am

re: #934 pre-Boomer Marine brat Yeah, I hate it when people keep harping on something like that!

947 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 8:59:42am

re: #934 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You can get yourself into a whale of a lot of trouble, trying to switch this to a petroleum-pun thread.

You're just trying to spout off about it.
This is just a fluke.

948 realwest  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 9:01:12am

re: #938 Creeping Eruption
"Nice way to trash a legacy of just about the greatest QB in that ever played the game."
Someone mention Joe Montana?

949 avanti  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 9:02:08am

re: #932 Lincolntf

Do you ever find it odd that you're constantly defending or minimizing the threat from freedom hating nations ranging from Russia to North Korea to Venezuela? You've got a real hard-on for dictators don't you?

Those countries have been threatening us for decades, but I don't accept every comment they make as a big deal. the bombers in Cuba story was news for one day, then we'll get another story to obsess over.
The press searches every comment, or issue for something newsworthy. Last we it was China harassing the Navy ship, this week it's the bombers, next week, something new, maybe Iran talking about wiping out Israel yet again.

950 pass the moonbaticide  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 9:04:12am

re: #935 yma o hyd
You don't happen to live near Newport, do you ? I'd love to meet a fellow Lizard, and the next time the wife's visiting her mother ...
WriterMom has regular meets with other Toronto Lizards, but We British ones are just too few and dispersed for contact.

PS I've got to leave this thread to go and pick her up at 4:15 (She works in a NAAFI store on HMS Sultan Navy Establishment - Hence the reason we're both so Pro-Military. All sensible people shoul be anyway)

So I'll pick up your reply on my return in an hour or so.

Until then ... Thank You, Lizards, You've been great company !

951 yma o hyd  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 9:08:53am

re: #950 pass the moonbaticide


You don't happen to live near Newport, do you ? I'd love to meet a fellow Lizard, and the next time the wife's visiting her mother ...
WriterMom has regular meets with other Toronto Lizards, but We British ones are just too few and dispersed for contact.

PS I've got to leave this thread to go and pick her up at 4:15 (She works in a NAAFI store on HMS Sultan Navy Establishment - Hence the reason we're both so Pro-Military. All sensible people shoul be anyway)

So I'll pick up your reply on my return in an hour or so.

Until then ... Thank You, Lizards, You've been great company !

Cardiff, thats where I live :-)

Yep - a meet would be lovely, British Lizards are spread far and wide ....
Greetings to your wife!

952 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 9:13:48am

re: #949 avanti

Better to just ignore those stories. eh? It's not like Russia has ever threatened all of Western Europe, or China has ever acted belligerently or Iran is developing the weapons necessary to fulfill their Holocaust fantasy.
Far better to worry about important stuff like Michelle's arms and Barry's "cuteness".
God save us from the Avanti's of the world.

953 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 9:19:47am
954 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 9:27:06am
955 HippieforLife  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 9:34:57am

re: #917 buzzsawmonkey

LOL!

956 CLLRusso  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 10:30:52am

re: #881 WriterMom

OH
MAH
GAWD

Fluffy puff piece on Obamas-THE SEXY HOTTIE ROCK STARS.

"How long has it been since a first couple really WANTED each other?"
EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

This is not something I ever want to think about!

957 She Said  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 10:38:42pm

Now where did I put that feather duster?

Lecture: An art of transferring information from the notes of the Lecturer to the notes of the students without passing through "the minds of either"


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