Here’s the latest video from CNN on the situation in Kabul, Afghanistan, where a team of gunmen and suicide bombers staged a massive attack on the Hotel Inter-Continental.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:27:48pm |
already a bloodbath and there is more to come...security is just up to the task it seems
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Hawaii69 Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:39:11pm |
For just a second, I thought this was about a Trip-Hop concert....
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albusteve Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:43:02pm |
re: #3 Hawaii69
For just a second, I thought this was about a Trip-Hop concert...
ah, no...people are dying...innocent folks and the body count may be very high
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Hawaii69 Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:43:34pm |
Islamists don't want us to pull out of Afghanistan.
No occupying force = no rallying cry.
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Alexzander Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:44:21pm |
OT:
Dutch approve ban on kosher and halal animal slaughter
...In a rare show of unity, the Netherlands' Muslim and Jewish communities -- about 1 million and 40,000 respectively in a total population of 16 million -- have condemned the proposed ban as a violation of their religious freedom.
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dragonfire1981 Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:45:15pm |
So will the right wing hold this up as an example of why Obama is "soft on terrorism" ?
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Hawaii69 Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:45:34pm |
re: #4 albusteve
ah, no...people are dying...innocent folks and the body count may be very high
When I see both words capitalized, The first thing that pops into my mnid is this:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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albusteve Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:46:09pm |
re: #5 Hawaii69
Islamists don't want us to pull out of Afghanistan.
No occupying force = no rallying cry.
yeah, the Taliban have nothing better to do...they like being killed by the boatload by the US...makes perfect sense
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Alexzander Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:54:26pm |
Incredible Dance Video (be patient for about 45 seconds):
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Hawaii69 Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:54:54pm |
re: #9 albusteve
yeah, the Taliban have nothing better to do...they like being killed by the boatload by the US...makes perfect sense
I didn't say Taliban...I said "Islamists".
The entire purpose of Al Quedas 9/11 was to instigate the
occupation of Muslim countries. They kicked the hornets
nest with the singular goal of stirring up the hornets.
Occupation & conflict brings legitimacy.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:56:18pm |
surfing, there is not much info out there yet...it appears the last bad guys are pinned on the upper floor or roof...they'll run out of ammo sooner or later then blow themselves up and cop their virgins...an old story repeated over and over...the perfect expression of Afghani tribalism
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SidewaysQuark Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:56:26pm |
re: #9 albusteve
yeah, the Taliban have nothing better to do...they like being killed by the boatload by the US...makes perfect sense
Of course - they have noses and hands to cut off.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:59:44pm |
re: #11 Hawaii69
I didn't say Taliban...I said "Islamists".
The entire purpose of Al Quedas 9/11 was to instigate the
occupation of Muslim countries. They kicked the hornets
nest with the singular goal of stirring up the hornets.Occupation & conflict brings legitimacy.
the Taliban have been around much longer than AQ, and they are your Islamists...as for your theory, I never heard that one...in fact only the opposite...did they invite the Soviets to invade to provide a rallying call?
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:01:15pm |
re: #12 albusteve
surfing, there is not much info out there yet...it appears the last bad guys are pinned on the upper floor or roof...they'll run out of ammo sooner or later then blow themselves up and cop their virgins...an old story repeated over and over...the perfect expression of Afghani tribalism
I read earlier that NATO choppers cleared them off the roof.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:04:19pm |
re: #15 Killgore Trout
I read earlier that NATO choppers cleared them off the roof.
maybe they got caught in a crossfire...the last thing is to let them get back in and hide out
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:07:10pm |
Twitter list, I think.
[Link: twitter.com...]
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Amory Blaine Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:09:20pm |
re: #14 albusteve
Good question. Although at that point had they been trained by the CIA yet?
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Hawaii69 Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:09:56pm |
re: #14 albusteve
the Taliban have been around much longer than AQ, and they are your Islamists...as for your theory, I never heard that one...in fact only the opposite...did they invite the Soviets to invade to provide a rallying call?
The Soviets invaded because the Marxist government they had previously installed was under attack. They came in to prop it up.
I'm suprised you've never heard that theory before, as it is not a theory, but part of Bin Ladens well documented set of conditions that he believed needed to exist in order to establish the Islamic Caliphate.
In order for the Greater Islamic Caliphate to come into existence, he needed to force the Western occupation of muslim lands. In this way,
muslims in those lands would rise up to everthrow what they saw as the puppet governments & dictators installed by the "Crusaders". It would provide a rallying call to otherwise apathetic muslims. The crusaders would be driven out, the puppet governments toppled, the Caliphate established.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:10:44pm |
bsarwary Bilal Sarwary
Fighting is over.All of the attackers are dead.We are trying to take guests out. We dont know how many people got killed, G.Ayub tells BBC
16 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
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Alexzander Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:12:24pm |
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albusteve Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:14:18pm |
re: #20 Hawaii69
The Soviets invaded because the Marxist government they had previously installed was under attack. They came in to prop it up.
I'm suprised you've never heard that theory before, as it is not a theory, but part of Bin Ladens well documented set of conditions that he believed needed to exist in order to establish the Islamic Caliphate.
In order for the Greater Islamic Caliphate to come into existence, he needed to force the Western occupation of muslim lands. In this way,
muslims in those lands would rise up to everthrow what they saw as the puppet governments & dictators installed by the "Crusaders". It would provide a rallying call to otherwise apathetic muslims. The crusaders would be driven out, the puppet governments toppled, the Caliphate established.
I have heard the theory before...the Taliban are primitive mountain people that could give a shit about any Caliphate...they despise foreigners...everything else is negotiable...many Talis now understand that providing haven for AQ was a huge mistake and want nothing more than to toss the US and go back to what they were doing 500 years ago...I'm not surprised you don't know that
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:14:19pm |
re: #23 Alexzander
never should have gone in in the first place. should have hunted osama and al qaeda using covert means and small strike forces instead.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:15:00pm |
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wrenchwench Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:15:15pm |
re: #18 Cannadian Club Akbar
Twitter list, I think.
[Link: twitter.com...]
Interesting. I hadn't seen a curated list before. Thanks.
Simon Klingert
@simon_klingert Simon Klingert
ISAF helicopters fired at insurgents on the roof, killing as many as three of the gunmen, ISAF spox Maj. Tim James. CNN:
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:15:51pm |
re: #27 wrenchwench
Thanks. Guess I did it right.:)
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Alexzander Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:18:05pm |
re: #25 SpaceJesus
never should have gone in in the first place. should have hunted osama and al qaeda using covert means and small strike forces instead.
Agreed. Just interested in where you stood on that issue. We should never have been at war with "Afghanistan" let alone Iraq.
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:19:12pm |
re: #29 Alexzander
20 billion dollars per year on air conditioning.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:19:53pm |
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Alexzander Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:20:06pm |
re: #30 SpaceJesus
20 billion dollars per year on air conditioning.
Man I know - I was outside of a US consulate protesting the day the war was announced. Where were you?
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:22:55pm |
re: #32 Alexzander
wasn't even living in the US at that time
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:23:06pm |
re: #32 Alexzander
Man I know - I was outside of a US consulate protesting the day the war was announced. Where were you?
I remember.... my mom died the day we attacked Iraq, March of 03.
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Alexzander Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:23:29pm |
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Amory Blaine Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:24:44pm |
If anything comes out of this I hope we accept a humanitarian commitment. I would like to see massive infrastructural improvements bankrolled by US and International companies. Maybe this is the way forward toward peace. Clean water, reliable electricity and a national education system could give hope.
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researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:25:44pm |
Need to remember something? Think of the dentist or dead cats
If you want to remember new information, looking at photographs that stir up negative emotions may do the trick, suggests new research from Psychological Science.
Yeah, we know that sounds counterintuitive -- but it appears to work.
When study participants viewed color images of a dead cat, a pointed gun, or a person getting a dental exam -- pictures that evoke negative feelings -- it actually improved their recall of recently learned information.
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:26:50pm |
re: #35 Alexzander
which war are we talking about?
afghanistan i was on exchange in germany
iraq i protested back home in CT
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albusteve Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:26:50pm |
re: #36 Amory Blaine
If anything comes out of this I hope we accept a humanitarian commitment. I would like to see massive infrastructural improvements bankrolled by US and International companies. Maybe this is the way forward toward peace. Clean water, reliable electricity and a national education system could give hope.
all that has to wait...security is the prime directive now and it seems pretty elusive to me
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Amory Blaine Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:30:08pm |
re: #39 albusteve
True, but with the Taliban weakened, the sooner the better. Local businesses could be set up, deploy and train local populations. No more foreign contractors or workers while the locals suffer. It could be done.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:31:20pm |
re: #29 Alexzander
Agreed. Just interested in where you stood on that issue. We should never have been at war with "Afghanistan" let alone Iraq.
Afghanistan was already at war with itself...we just picked a side and joined in, hence the Northern alliance and the shootout at Tora Bora...did you have a better idea at the time?
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albusteve Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:32:40pm |
re: #40 Amory Blaine
True, but with the Taliban weakened, the sooner the better. Local businesses could be set up, deploy and train local populations. No more foreign contractors or workers while the locals suffer. It could be done.
and what do you do with the poppies?...what can Afghanistan export?...how do they finance an economy?
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:33:27pm |
re: #41 albusteve
Afghanistan was already at war with itself...we just picked a side and joined in, hence the Northern alliance and the shootout at Tora Bora...did you have a better idea at the time?
I was all for going in but we should get out now. What is our mission? Set up another democracy? That's not going to happen.
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Amory Blaine Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:34:33pm |
re: #42 albusteve
They can start financing with money taxed from US and other Corporate interests that have been been growing fat with US taxpayer money.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:36:51pm |
re: #43 Mr Pancakes
I was all for going in but we should get out now. What is our mission? Set up another democracy? That's not going to happen.
our mission is saving political face...I for one want to know what the fuck we have been doing there since BO took office...if his strategy was to install 30k more troops over there, fight to a standstill then buy off the enemy, I'd say the guy is a lunatic...and deadly at that
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Varek Raith Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:37:52pm |
Boeing Overcharges Taxpayers By Up To 177,000 Percent For Army Helicopter Parts
$644.75 for a small gear smaller than a dime that sells for $12.51: more than a 5,100 percent increase in price. $1,678.61 for another tiny part, also smaller than a dime, that could have been bought within DoD for $7.71: a 21,000 percent increase. $71.01 for a straight, thin metal pin that DoD had on hand, unused by the tens of thousands, for 4 cents: an increase of over 177,000 percent.
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:38:16pm |
re: #45 albusteve
our mission is saving political face...I for one want to know what the fuck we have been doing there since BO took office...if his strategy was to install 30k more troops over there, fight to a standstill then buy off the enemy, I'd say the guy is a lunatic...and deadly at that
I think it was to mimic the Iraq surge(?) but I'm not sure.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:38:25pm |
re: #44 Amory Blaine
They can start financing with money taxed from US and other Corporate interests that have been been growing fat with US taxpayer money.
Why can't we just cut Afghanistan's taxes and let the increased revenues pay for the war over there...and we can do the same with Iraq...cut their taxes and let the increased revenue pay for that war.
And if Pakistan doesn't get its shit together, we can propose tax cuts there...just to let them know we're serious about tax cuts.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:39:15pm |
re: #44 Amory Blaine
They can start financing with money taxed from US and other Corporate interests that have been been growing fat with US taxpayer money.
that's not gonna happen...meanwhile US men and women are getting killed
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Amory Blaine Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:39:40pm |
re: #44 Amory Blaine
We could also start paying the farmers directly for the poppies then dumping them in the ocean or whatever. I'm sure they will trade with whoever has the cash.
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:39:49pm |
obama should have said, "fuck this. bringing afghanistan into the 20th-21st century is either prohibitively expensive or impossible. we're out." then knocked something over and walked away.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:40:14pm |
re: #46 Varek Raith
Boeing Overcharges Taxpayers By Up To 177,000 Percent For Army Helicopter Parts
Ah, the 400 dollar toilet seat...I love it when this discussion comes around every few years...anger, Outrage! FURY!!...acceptance. Now I need a cigarette.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:40:34pm |
re: #47 Mr Pancakes
I think it was to mimic the Iraq surge(?) but I'm not sure.
neither is he...cloning GB was the worst mistake he could make, and he made it
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darthstar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:41:47pm |
re: #51 SpaceJesus
obama should have said, "fuck this. bringing afghanistan into the 20th-21st century is either prohibitively expensive or impossible. we're out." then knocked something over and walked away.
Like the way he announced the death of bin Laden.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:41:53pm |
re: #51 SpaceJesus
obama should have said, "fuck this. bringing afghanistan into the 20th-21st century is either prohibitively expensive or impossible. we're out." then knocked something over and walked away.
pretty much, yeah
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HAL2010 Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:43:09pm |
re: #54 darthstar
Like the way he announced the death of bin Laden.
That would have been pretty awesome. Sort of makes the whole "Obama is weak on foreign policy" seem rather, well, silly.
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:43:56pm |
re: #52 darthstar
Ah, the 400 dollar toilet seat...I love it when this discussion comes around every few years...anger, Outrage! FURY!!...acceptance. Now I need a cigarette.
As a friend of mine who works in the defense industry would reply..... it's not the cost of the toliet seat or screwdriver or whatever, it's the cost of the R&D to come up with it.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:44:56pm |
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albusteve Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:46:47pm |
re: #56 HAL2010
That would have been pretty awesome. Sort of makes the whole "Obama is weak on foreign policy" seem rather, well, silly.
his policy has little to do with OBL...that was all in motion when he was elected...his huge fuck up has been Afghanistan and now Libya, he has choices and blew it
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darthstar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:47:14pm |
re: #57 Mr Pancakes
As a friend of mine who works in the defense industry would reply... it's not the cost of the toliet seat or screwdriver or whatever, it's the cost of the R&D to come up with it.
It's not the R&D - it's the program management and scoping and planning meetings and the number of people who have to be involved in any decision that add up. Now that I work for a rather large company, I've learned that some decisions don't get made with less than a million dollars in salary in the room...and that number goes up exponentially with the breadth of the policy change.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:47:41pm |
re: #57 Mr Pancakes
As a friend of mine who works in the defense industry would reply... it's not the cost of the toliet seat or screwdriver or whatever, it's the cost of the R&D to come up with it.
Or it's because the toilet seat was specially designed for the Space Shuttle which makes it slightly different than a toilet seat you can buy at Home Depot, or because the screws and the screwdrivers and the nuts and bolts were all off spec and had to be specifically machined because they would not fit anything commercially produced.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:48:57pm |
re: #61 Alouette
Or it's because the toilet seat was specially designed for the Space Shuttle which makes it slightly different than a toilet seat you can buy at Home Depot, or because the screws and the screwdrivers and the nuts and bolts were all off spec and had to be specifically machined because they would not fit anything commercially produced.
the Shuttle doesn't use American Standard toilets?...oh, the humanity
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darthstar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:51:10pm |
re: #61 Alouette
Or it's because the toilet seat was specially designed for the Space Shuttle which makes it slightly different than a toilet seat you can buy at Home Depot, or because the screws and the screwdrivers and the nuts and bolts were all off spec and had to be specifically machined because they would not fit anything commercially produced.
It's a space shuttle...not a fucking Chrysler! Actually, I was talking about toilet seats for the bathrooms in the Pentagon. The Vacuu-Suck Space Shitter 2000 is understandably a little pricier. During the Apollo missions, the astronauts had to go all Ted Nugent on themselves...which is why they were whisked away for "debriefing" before meeting the press after landing.
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:51:36pm |
re: #60 darthstar
It's not the R&D - it's the program management and scoping and planning meetings and the number of people who have to be involved in any decision that add up. Now that I work for a rather large company, I've learned that some decisions don't get made with less than a million dollars in salary in the room...and that number goes up exponentially with the breadth of the policy change.
You don't think all that is included in final cost of the toilet seat? Everything we did where I worked (company shall go unnamed) was charged to a "program" right down to the guy mopping the floor.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:52:09pm |
re: #52 darthstar
Ah, the 400 dollar toilet seat...I love it when this discussion comes around every few years...anger, Outrage! FURY!!...acceptance. Now I need a cigarette.
Other than the simple ripoffs, which certainly exist, there is a real-world accounting explanation for the toilet seats and the 600 dollar hammers.
Short version: Some system acquisitions call for the total cost, including complex R&D, to be billed over each line item of deliverables. Thus an Xray Ion Laser Cannon pump and a spare bolt each report the same share of R&D.
If you want the Long Version, you have to sit through a couple boring months at Defense Acquisition University.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:52:26pm |
as per KT's earlier statement...
The popular Inter-Continental hotel in Kabul came under attack by suicide bombers and gunmen Tuesday, a U.S. official told Fox News. U.S. forces were called in to assist in gunbattles with assailants in the hotel, while NATO says its helicopters have killed three of the attackers.
you need them dead?...call us
Read more: [Link: www.foxnews.com...]
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HAL2010 Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:52:44pm |
re: #59 albusteve
his policy has little to do with OBL...that was all in motion when he was elected...his huge fuck up has been Afghanistan and now Libya, he has choices and blew it
Disagree. If you look at Obama's policy towards Pakistan in particular, he has been far more aggressive than the Bush administration was.
One example is the number of drone attacks.
33 in 2008, 53 in 2009, 118 in 2010, and 40 so far this year. A rough estimation (with maximum causalties) shows that since 2004, almost 4/5th of those killed were under Obama's watch (~ 2000).
Afghanistan was a mess before he was elected, and now he is starting a pullout. Could probably not have done a lot more really.
What do you believe he "fucked up" in regards to Libya?
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:53:19pm |
re: #57 Mr Pancakes
As a friend of mine who works in the defense industry would reply... it's not the cost of the toliet seat or screwdriver or whatever, it's the cost of the R&D to come up with it.
Crap. You got in first while I was diatryping.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:53:44pm |
re: #7 dragonfire1981
So will the right wing hold this up as an example of why Obama is "soft on terrorism" ?
Er, yes. Yes they will.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:54:31pm |
re: #62 albusteve
the Shuttle doesn't use American Standard toilets?...oh, the humanity
The ISS Outhouse Module is named for Stephen Colbert.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:55:21pm |
re: #68 HAL2010
Disagree. If you look at Obama's policy towards Pakistan in particular, he has been far more aggressive than the Bush administration was.
One example is the number of drone attacks.33 in 2008, 53 in 2009, 118 in 2010, and 40 so far this year. A rough estimation (with maximum causalties) shows that since 2004, almost 4/5th of those killed were under Obama's watch (~ 2000).
Afghanistan was a mess before he was elected, and now he is starting a pullout. Could probably not have done a lot more really.
What do you believe he "fucked up" in regards to Libya?
I did not refer to his ideas about Pakistan, but to the OBL killing...as for Libya, he should have gone to congress and made nice...stupidly, he didn't
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:55:39pm |
re: #42 albusteve
and what do you do with the poppies?...what can Afghanistan export?...how do they finance an economy?
The poppies are a good cash crop.
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efuseakay Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:56:20pm |
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albusteve Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:56:27pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:56:31pm |
re: #50 Amory Blaine
We could also start paying the farmers directly for the poppies then dumping them in the ocean or whatever. I'm sure they will trade with whoever has the cash.
Dumping them? Hell no! Opiate are opiates, pharmaceutical companies can use that stuff.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:57:46pm |
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:58:01pm |
re: #71 Decatur Deb
The ISS Outhouse Module is named for Stephen Colbert.
Correction: They stiffed him on the toilet, named a treadmill for him.
[Link: www.google.com...]
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albusteve Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:58:47pm |
re: #76 SanFranciscoZionist
Dumping them? Hell no! Opiate are opiates, pharmaceutical companies can use that stuff.
you can't be serious...Afghan poppies are converted to heroin, not sold to some Swiss pharm
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HAL2010 Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:59:48pm |
re: #72 albusteve
I did not refer to his ideas about Pakistan, but to the OBL killing...as for Libya, he should have gone to congress and made nice...stupidly, he didn't
That particular operation was planned for years, I'll grant you that. But it took some stones to authorize it. Had the operation failed he would have been labeled "Jimmy Carter 2.0" before it was over.
As for congress, I am not sure what particular laws apply within the US. But as I understand it, he should have asked for authorization.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:00:25pm |
re: #79 albusteve
you can't be serious...Afghan poppies are converted to heroin, not sold to some Swiss pharm
Nope, they are key in making pain killer like Morphine. I think it was Hitchens who first proposed the poppy crop be sold to drug companies. Not a bad idea.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:00:54pm |
re: #79 albusteve
you can't be serious...Afghan poppies are converted to heroin, not sold to some Swiss pharm
She's referring to us buying them directly.
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HAL2010 Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:00:59pm |
re: #81 Killgore Trout
Nope, they are key in making pain killer like Morphine. I think it was Hitchens who first proposed the poppy crop be sold to drug companies. Not a bad idea.
Am I dreaming or did I read that article in Slate?
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BishopX Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:01:19pm |
re: #81 Killgore Trout
Most of the pharmaceutical poppies are produced in Australia IIRC.
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Amory Blaine Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:01:25pm |
re: #76 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm just saying, after we buy them they don't have to end up in the crime stream.
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Obdicut Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:01:57pm |
re: #74 efuseakay
Ask those 10 how lucky we were...
Didja just miss the point, or are you just trying for the "i'm more sensitive than you" award?
This was a large, coordinated attack, with machineguns and suicide bombers. Only ten dead would be a very lucky outcome.
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Gus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:02:02pm |
I'm a bit confused -- or perhaps not. I thought we had made "great strides" and have been "close to victory" in Afghanistan. How could there have been a "massive attack" in central Kabul given these alleged assurances by the Pentagon and the White House?
Yet another day in one of our surrogate states in the Middle East. Who was it that once said that after 9/11 the USA had become a part of the Middle East? Frankly, after 10 years this has gotten very old; cost too many American lives; and has helped bankrupt this nation.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:02:29pm |
re: #80 HAL2010
That particular operation was planned for years, I'll grant you that. But it took some stones to authorize it. Had the operation failed he would have been labeled "Jimmy Carter 2.0" before it was over.
As for congress, I am not sure what particular laws apply within the US. But as I understand it, he should have asked for authorization.
he is a servant of the people...right, wrong or otherwise, it would have been the smart thing to do...now he's getting trashed by the far left, a sizable chunk of votes...if the economy continues to tank, which BO seems to promote, he's in deep shit come election time
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:03:54pm |
re: #79 albusteve
you can't be serious...Afghan poppies are converted to heroin, not sold to some Swiss pharm
Is there a reason why a Swiss pharm couldn't use them if they had them?
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HAL2010 Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:04:06pm |
Right, interesting discussions all round, but it's two in the morning over here. I'm off to bed.
Good night!
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albusteve Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:04:26pm |
re: #81 Killgore Trout
Nope, they are key in making pain killer like Morphine. I think it was Hitchens who first proposed the poppy crop be sold to drug companies. Not a bad idea.
I know about opiates...the market is 10 times more valuable as heroin...explain that to some semi literate poppy farmer
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:05:30pm |
re: #91 albusteve
I know about opiates...the market is 10 times more valuable as heroin...explain that to some semi literate poppy farmer
Are they getting paid their value?
I'm pretty sure we could match it.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:05:39pm |
re: #85 Amory Blaine
I'm just saying, after we buy them they don't have to end up in the crime stream.
There is more than gold in Ft. Knox Fed Depository. It has (or had) our strategic morphine reserve. Perhaps explains Rep Paul's jonesing for a visit.
[Link: www.google.com...]
[Link: www.google.com...]
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albusteve Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:06:17pm |
re: #82 Varek Raith
She's referring to us buying them directly.
right, but we have no use for that volume...buying off the growers is, I'm positive, a large part of the BO scheme to split that place
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Varek Raith Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:07:16pm |
re: #91 albusteve
I know about opiates...the market is 10 times more valuable as heroin...explain that to some semi literate poppy farmer
Cash.
Money.
Dinero.
Moola.
Clams.
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Gus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:07:24pm |
re: #91 albusteve
I know about opiates...the market is 10 times more valuable as heroin...explain that to some semi literate poppy farmer
Just do what they would do in the USA. Have the poppy farms seized by the state and then use armed gunmen (aka law enforcement) to maintain order and then sell the product at market value to American based multi-national pharmaceutical corporation who will turn around and sell the synthesized product to make massive profits.
//S
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albusteve Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:07:31pm |
re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist
Is there a reason why a Swiss pharm couldn't use them if they had them?
nobody needs that much morphine, the chemical precursor to heroin
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Gus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:08:45pm |
We have attained rain! Low ceiling coming into San Jose airport. Pilots be advised and try not to hit the ground.
//
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Varek Raith Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:09:21pm |
re: #97 albusteve
nobody needs that much morphine, the chemical precursor to heroin
We buy as much as we can from the farmers, sell what we can to the pharms and destroy the rest.
Better waste of money than our current strategies.
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Amory Blaine Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:09:33pm |
Burn it or dump it. I'm pretty sure that the farmer is probably the lowest paid person in the whole trade.
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Gus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:10:06pm |
re: #97 albusteve
nobody needs that much morphine, the chemical precursor to heroin
I have an idea. Let them figure it all out.
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:10:44pm |
re: #97 albusteve
nobody needs that much morphine, the chemical precursor to heroin
I did ..... went to the hospital once for some weird chest pain...... it got better. Nurse said the doc was taking me off of morphine and putting me on Tylenol....... I said excuse me?
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Obdicut Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:10:48pm |
re: #97 albusteve
nobody needs that much morphine, the chemical precursor to heroin
Um, yes, the worldwide consumption of morphine is huge. It's still one of the most common painkillers used in hospitals-- and even for outpatients-- today.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:11:16pm |
are you gonna cut a deal with some pharm company to sell your product at $x and risk getting killed...or are you gonna give it to the man with the machine gun for $x times 10 and you are left alone...think about it
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:12:02pm |
re: #97 albusteve
nobody needs that much morphine, the chemical precursor to heroin
Nobody needs three dozen brownies either, but churches still hold bake sales.
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Gus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:12:20pm |
It's funny how people always talk about the United Nations as being this meddling international body trying to force the USA into carrying on according to their own whims. Yet at the same time those very same people have no problem with the USA acting in the same manner and acting as an even "bigger brother" and "world policeman" across the globe.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:13:11pm |
re: #103 Obdicut
Um, yes, the worldwide consumption of morphine is huge. It's still one of the most common painkillers used in hospitals-- and even for outpatients-- today.
LOL!...duh?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:13:13pm |
re: #104 albusteve
are you gonna cut a deal with some pharm company to sell your product at $x and risk getting killed...or are you gonna give it to the man with the machine gun for $x times 10 and you are left alone...think about it
The machine gun is an issue, but I seriously doubt the farmers are getting paid an extravagant amount.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:13:36pm |
re: #105 SanFranciscoZionist
Nobody needs three dozen brownies either, but churches still hold bake sales.
I ate half a cookie at Golden Gate Park and was fucked up for a few hours.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:13:37pm |
re: #105 SanFranciscoZionist
Nobody needs three dozen brownies either, but churches still hold bake sales.
Speak for yourself.
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Digital Display Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:14:54pm |
re: #104 albusteve
are you gonna cut a deal with some pharm company to sell your product at $x and risk getting killed...or are you gonna give it to the man with the machine gun for $x times 10 and you are left alone...think about it
Plus if we start buying that shit then people will ask why we aren't buying all the Coke in Columbia and the Pot in Mexico and pretty soon the USA will be the biggest buyer of drugs in the world...
oh wait...
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:14:55pm |
re: #109 darthstar
I ate half a cookie at Golden Gate Park and was fucked up for a few hours.
Was all the sweet green icing flowing down?
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albusteve Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:16:17pm |
re: #108 SanFranciscoZionist
The machine gun is an issue, but I seriously doubt the farmers are getting paid an extravagant amount.
the price is maxed out every season...weapons and bribes are very costly and the farmers are at the bottom of the pecking order...high quality heroin leaves a long road of profit behind as it moves through the process from cultivation to use
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:16:22pm |
re: #112 Decatur Deb
Was all the sweet green icing flowing down?
Someone left the brownie out in the rain.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:17:44pm |
re: #111 HoosierHoops
Plus if we start buying that shit then people will ask why we aren't buying all the Coke in Columbia and the Pot in Mexico and pretty soon the USA will be the biggest buyer of drugs in the world...
oh wait...
the whole gig is a loser...there are many questions and few answers...I say get out and regroup
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Gus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:18:09pm |
re: #113 albusteve
the price is maxed out every season...weapons and bribes are very costly and the farmers are at the bottom of the pecking order...high quality heroin leaves a long road of profit behind as it moves through the process from cultivation to use
Thank goodness that all of this drug war, intervention, and incarcerations have helped cut down on illicit drug use and even helped lower prescription drug use at the same time. I'm sure the money spent couldn't have been used in a better way.
//
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:18:35pm |
re: #111 HoosierHoops
Plus if we start buying that shit then people will ask why we aren't buying all the Coke in Columbia and the Pot in Mexico and pretty soon the USA will be the biggest buyer of drugs in the world...
oh wait...
Just say no!
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darthstar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:18:50pm |
re: #112 Decatur Deb
Was all the sweet green icing flowing down?
Let's just say it had a bit of fiber in it.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:19:33pm |
re: #118 darthstar
Let's just say it had a bit of fiber in it.
"A brownie is a brownie is a brownie."
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:19:53pm |
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austin_blue Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:21:07pm |
In the Science Times today:
Success!
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
Relief! (This one is for Charles)
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
And on the front page, the story at hand, updated twenty minutes ago:
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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bratwurst Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:22:25pm |
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darthstar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:23:04pm |
re: #119 Decatur Deb
When you ask the girl selling them if it's strong and she giggles and says, "Yeah-uhh", you know you're in for a treat.
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Amory Blaine Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:23:20pm |
re: #113 albusteve
the price is maxed out every season...weapons and bribes are very costly and the farmers are at the bottom of the pecking order...high quality heroin leaves a long road of profit behind as it moves through the process from cultivation to use
The beauty is, if we buy it directly from the farmers, it removes alot of shady characters from the process.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:24:33pm |
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:24:39pm |
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:25:01pm |
re: #123 darthstar
When you ask the girl selling them if it's strong and she giggles and says, "Yeah-uhh", you know you're in for a treat.
Heading to the freezer for some B&J Cherry Garcia.
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:25:31pm |
re: #125 darthstar
You could say it floated...
I am in awe of your prowess. Another use for hemp everyone!
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albusteve Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:26:26pm |
re: #124 Amory Blaine
The beauty is, if we buy it directly from the farmers, it removes alot of shady characters from the process.
but we have to control the influence of those guys...the poppie problem is very complex and huge...there is nothing but mayhem and death surrounding the entire thing...buying poppies is ludicrous unless you can ensure that growers safety...probably what BO is intending to bribe from both Karzai and the Taliban
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Digital Display Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:28:59pm |
re: #117 Mr Pancakes
Just say no!
I applied and was accepted by the Napa board of Supervisors for an Appointment for 1 year on a Technical advisory committee for the Mental Health dept concerning drug use.. I was like 22 years old....I wrote a classic letter to the board about drugs.. Little did I know most of these people were PHD's.. I will never forget the first night were I heard the talk behind my back.. Who the hell is that and how did he get here?
I was intimidated to say the least.. But week after week we grew closer and I challenged every idea they had as a brash young man..( even now somethings I said will make my face blush)
But I learned a lot but I'm not sure there are any answers for drug use then or now..
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:29:01pm |
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Gus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:30:05pm |
re: #131 researchok
OK. Looking now. Make that trying to open it up. Suddenly AT&T is having yet another brain fart.
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researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:30:42pm |
re: #137 Gus 802
OK. Looking now. Make that trying to open it up. Suddenly AT&T is having yet another brain fart.
Karma.
//
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researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:31:09pm |
| 145 |
Stanghazi Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:31:44pm |
BreakingNews Breaking News
Kabul police: 7 killed, 8 wounded in suicide attack on Western-style hotel in Kabul - @AP
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Gus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:32:49pm |
re: #141 researchok
Karma.
//
Karma...police...
OK. Sent a response. Just got up from a nap so I need to look at that stuff later. :)
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:33:47pm |
re: #146 Gus 802
Karma...police...
OK. Sent a response. Just got up from a nap so I need to look at that stuff later. :)
This is what you get when you mess with us.
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:35:38pm |
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Gus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:36:05pm |
re: #148 Mr Pancakes
This is what you get when you mess with us.
One of my favorites from the 90s. Ah, the 90s.
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researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:36:45pm |
re: #146 Gus 802
Karma...police...
OK. Sent a response. Just got up from a nap so I need to look at that stuff later. :)
Mo
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albusteve Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:36:52pm |
re: #149 Mr Pancakes
I love that song... I find it absolutely "adorable".
I guess I'm not there yet...is time running out?
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:37:07pm |
re: #150 Gus 802
One of my favorites from the 90s. Ah, the 90s.
Yep yep yep........ that and Paranoid Android.
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:37:58pm |
re: #152 albusteve
I guess I'm not there yet...is time running out?
Steve you should listen man...... it's very John Lennonish...... and I'm an old guy like you.
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Gus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:38:17pm |
re: #151 researchok
Mo
Mo betta.
Drinking coffee. Ick. Made it with the local water. Blech. Eek. Put some soy milk in it though -- tastes better. I'm not a soy milk type of person.
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Gus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:39:06pm |
re: #156 Gus 802
Mo betta.
Drinking coffee. Ick. Made it with the local water. Blech. Eek. Put some soy milk in it though -- tastes better. I'm not a soy milk type of person.
God, guns and normal cow milk for me!
//
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Digital Display Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:39:16pm |
re: #155 Mr Pancakes
Steve you should listen man... it's very John Lennonish... and I'm an old guy like you.
Music is like Wine.. Everyone can disagree about it and everybody is right..
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researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:39:26pm |
re: #156 Gus 802
Mo betta.
Drinking coffee. Ick. Made it with the local water. Blech. Eek. Put some soy milk in it though -- tastes better. I'm not a soy milk type of person.
Soy milk?
Go ahead, kill me.
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:39:58pm |
re: #157 albusteve
Howlin Wolf was adorable...
Please note I put "adorable" in quotes...... someone slap me if I ever use that word as an adult male to describe anything..... thanks.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:40:26pm |
re: #160 researchok
I like soy juice. But you can't milk a soybean.
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researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:40:39pm |
re: #159 HoosierHoops
Music is like Wine.. Everyone can disagree about it and everybody is right..
You like Lawrence Welk and the Polka Band, don't you?
//
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Gus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:40:59pm |
re: #157 albusteve
Howlin Wolf was adorable...
That's cool. Myself I think Belinda Carlisle is adorable. Not for her music though.
//
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albusteve Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:41:18pm |
re: #159 HoosierHoops
Music is like Wine.. Everyone can disagree about it and everybody is right..
some wines are righter than others...jus sayin...
only a commie would disregard the Wolf
| 167 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:41:28pm |
re: #164 researchok
You like Lawrence Welk and the Polka Band, don't you?
//
Which was your favorite Lennon Sister?
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researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:41:46pm |
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albusteve Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:42:43pm |
re: #161 Mr Pancakes
Please note I put "adorable" in quotes... someone slap me if I ever use that word as an adult male to describe anything... thanks.
okay...Howlin Wolf was a monster that should have been in chains...
WOOK OUUT!
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researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:42:50pm |
re: #165 Gus 802
That's cool. Myself I think Belinda Carlisle is adorable. Not for her music though.
//
Shania Twain
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:44:02pm |
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:44:05pm |
re: #169 albusteve
okay...Howlin Wolf was a monster that should have been in chains...
WOOK OUUT!
Rolling Stones was a natural progression.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:44:34pm |
Question: The new Harry Potter movie is coming out in a few weeks...is the first half of the last installment worth the $5.99 I have to pay for it to watch it on pay per view? Or should I be satisfied with having watched the first six movies and just let the series die a peaceful death without seeing the last two films?
| 175 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:44:44pm |
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laZardo Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:44:50pm |
re: #106 Gus 802
It's funny how people always talk about the United Nations as being this meddling international body trying to force the USA into carrying on according to their own whims. Yet at the same time those very same people have no problem with the USA acting in the same manner and acting as an even "bigger brother" and "world policeman" across the globe.
Suddenly, isolationism is looking pretty tempting.
| 179 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:45:28pm |
re: #174 darthstar
Question: The new Harry Potter movie is coming out in a few weeks...is the first half of the last installment worth the $5.99 I have to pay for it to watch it on pay per view? Or should I be satisfied with having watched the first six movies and just let the series die a peaceful death without seeing the last two films?
Harry who? Harry and the Hendersons?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:45:53pm |
re: #174 darthstar
Watch it. It's excellent.
I can't wait (well, I guess I have to) for the new one to come out.
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Gus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:46:19pm |
re: #176 laZardo
Suddenly, isolationism is looking pretty tempting.
Yeah. I get that way sometimes. No one should worry though. I'm just playing "world leader pretend".
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researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:46:38pm |
re: #178 eclectic infidel
Greece is getting ugly too.
Otherwise referred to as 'Failing' or 'Sinking fast'.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:47:01pm |
Heh. ABC World News just commented on Bachmann "embracing the revisionist history of the Tea Party", following with a clip on the John Quincy Adams flap.
This election cycle is going to be nuts. I expect lots of crying about "The Liberal MSM and their sneaky Gotcha! questions".
| 184 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:47:10pm |
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researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:47:25pm |
re: #181 Gus 802
Yeah. I get that way sometimes. No one should worry though. I'm just playing "world leader pretend".
Like Mugabe?
/
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darthstar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:47:55pm |
re: #180 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Watch it. It's excellent.
I can't wait (well, I guess I have to) for the new one to come out.
Fine, I'll watch it...but if someone says "Expelliarmus!" with a smile on their face I'm coming back to talk to you personally.
| 188 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:48:08pm |
re: #11 Hawaii69
I didn't say Taliban...I said "Islamists".
The entire purpose of Al Quedas 9/11 was to instigate the
occupation of Muslim countries. They kicked the hornets
nest with the singular goal of stirring up the hornets.Occupation & conflict brings legitimacy.
Was it ever explained where this theory comes from?
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laZardo Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:48:20pm |
re: #181 Gus 802
Yeah. I get that way sometimes. No one should worry though. I'm just playing "world leader pretend".
Only because the only politician that genuinely seems to believe it is a certain crazy uncle.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:49:16pm |
re: #173 Mr Pancakes
Rolling Stones was a natural progression.
you know...they are nice people at the drive in and around town...on tour the shit starts...
seriously now...KRichards worshipped Howlin Wolf and it was infectious throughout the band...Mick is a student of the blues, no less than Clapton or others, but his persona precedes him....cha ching!...figure it out...
those old guys, those living legends, would have vanished if not for the Stones
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darthstar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:50:07pm |
Good news: it's only $4.99 and not $5.99...bad news - Comcast/Xfinity doesn't have an HD widescreen version...fuckers.
| 192 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:50:46pm |
Way OT but I was laughing at the office. Obama is out polling Palin in Alaska. LOL.
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engineer cat Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:50:55pm |
in a rational debate, greece would be an example of why austerity is not the correct solution for these kind of fiscal woes
but this is american politics
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:51:18pm |
re: #190 albusteve
you know......
those old guys, those living legends, would have vanished if not for the Stones
They got good airplay in the 60s, before the psychedelic shit invaded the folk scene.
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Digital Display Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:51:27pm |
re: #190 albusteve
You need to read this..Fantastic stories about the Blues
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:51:37pm |
re: #187 darthstar
Bring it. I love the Harry Potter books and movies. The last few installments have gotten pretty dark.
My kids were too "old", so I read one my mom bought for them and was hooked.
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:52:02pm |
re: #190 albusteve
you know...they are nice people at the drive in and around town...on tour the shit starts...
seriously now...KRichards worshipped Howlin Wolf and it was infectious throughout the band...Mick is a student of the blues, no less than Clapton or others, but his persona precedes him...cha ching!...figure it out...
those old guys, those living legends, would have vanished if not for the Stones
You're right....... most of the rock legends we know started off in a blues vein...... and I give thanks for that. Another path was folk.....
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researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:52:18pm |
re: #193 engineer dog
in a rational debate, greece would be an example of why austerity is not the correct solution for these kind of fiscal woes
but this is american politics
Greece is an example of what happens when people don't pay taxes and politicians promise not to go after them for votes.
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Gus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:52:44pm |
re: #189 laZardo
Only because the only politician that genuinely seems to believe it is a certain crazy uncle.
I'm fine with that. Seriously. And I also have plenty of company in this country. Given that it is a democracy we also have every right to call for this. Until we become a totalitarian state that's just something we'll all have to "put up with". Democracy is strange like that sometimes.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:52:52pm |
re: #174 darthstar
Question: The new Harry Potter movie is coming out in a few weeks...is the first half of the last installment worth the $5.99 I have to pay for it to watch it on pay per view? Or should I be satisfied with having watched the first six movies and just let the series die a peaceful death without seeing the last two films?
I saw the first few (for free on airplanes) and thought they were really kinda neat movies. I was less impressed with the latter ones as they tried to get more serious.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:54:14pm |
re: #201 Killgore Trout
I saw the first few (for free on airplanes) and thought they were really kinda neat movies. I was less impressed with the latter ones as they tried to get more serious.
The books were like that...started as children's books, but as Rowling matured as a writer and her kids got older, the story took on a life of its own and got somewhat darker.
| 203 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:54:17pm |
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engineer cat Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:54:32pm |
re: #198 researchok
Greece is an example of what happens when people don't pay taxes and politicians promise not to go after them for votes.
maybe, but i was talking about the solution, not the cause
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:55:55pm |
re: #183 Slumbering Behemoth
Heh. ABC World News just commented on Bachmann "embracing the revisionist history of the Tea Party", following with a clip on the John Quincy Adams flap.
This election cycle is going to be nuts. I expect lots of crying about "The Liberal MSM and their sneaky Gotcha! questions".
Fox News is already on the case....
What Michele Bachmann Learned From Sarah Palin
With Palin, the left-leaning press asked “gotcha” questions, unlikely to be asked of a man. The then-Alaska governor was asked everything from obscure foreign policy questions to simple, almost insulting ones like “what papers do you read?” And they were all crafted, by design to confuse her.
It's a trap!
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albusteve Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:56:36pm |
re: #194 Decatur Deb
They got good airplay in the 60s, before the psychedelic shit invaded the folk scene.
I saw many of those old delta guys...some where dragged out of the house and learned to play again
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researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:57:39pm |
re: #204 engineer dog
maybe, but i was talking about the solution, not the cause
In the end, I believe it is the amount of austerity they can handle that will be the issue.
The EU sees that. France announced they will roll over Greek debt for 30 years.
Commitment.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:58:46pm |
Sanity break, courtesy Leftwingconspirator who sent me the link
SRV
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Gus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:58:55pm |
re: #198 researchok
Greece is an example of what happens when people don't pay taxes and politicians promise not to go after them for votes.
Or they can be like the USA where they do pay their taxes while having their spending well under control.
//
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researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:59:10pm |
re: #209 Gus 802
Or they can be like the USA where they do pay their taxes while having their spending well under control.
//
LOL
| 211 |
researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:00:09pm |
Deadliest Catch on TV, LGF on the puter.
Life can be good.
| 212 |
engineer cat Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:00:18pm |
re: #207 researchok
In the end, I believe it is the amount of austerity they can handle that will be the issue.
The EU sees that. France announced they will roll over Greek debt for 30 years.
Commitment.
i hear a lot about how we "can't spend our way to prosperity", but judging by the example of greece you can't starve your way to prosperity either
austerity ain't working
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:00:48pm |
re: #209 Gus 802
Or they can be like the USA where they do pay their taxes while having their spending well under control.
//
Shaaa.... print more money.......
/channeling Weimarer
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researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:01:57pm |
re: #212 engineer dog
i hear a lot about how we "can't spend our way to prosperity", but judging by the example of greece you can't starve your way to prosperity either
austerity ain't working
It's not a zero sum game. There has to be both.
There has to be prudent spending and a workable austerity program.
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:02:06pm |
re: #211 researchok
Deadliest Catch on TV, LGF on the puter.
Life can be good.
I have a TV card..... no need for a TV.
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Gus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:02:10pm |
re: #213 Mr Pancakes
Shaaa... print more money...
/channeling Weimarer
Just don't ask to see who we do it! Top secret you know. Billions will die if we ever look into the secret lair.
//
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:03:04pm |
Glenn Beck Retells Personal Story Of ‘Cultural Elite’ Who Mocked Him In NY Park
Beck tells is tale of mockery and scorn again on TV.
We at Mediaite contacted one of the Twitter users who tweeted about sitting near Beck and his family and she told us she didn’t witness any of the hostility Beck describes. She said that, in fact, she saw people going up to shake his hand and that the only real jeers she heard were directed at a group doing fake acrobatics sitting near him. She also said she believed he had two security guards sitting right by the entire time.
| 219 |
engineer cat Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:03:10pm |
re: #215 researchok
It's not a zero sum game. There has to be both.
There has to be prudent spending and a workable austerity program.
whatever they are doing, i repeat, it ain't working
time to try something else
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researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:03:18pm |
re: #217 Gus 802
Just don't ask to see who we do it! Top secret you know. Billions will die if we ever look into the secret lair.
//
Invest in wheelbarrows.
| 221 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:04:06pm |
| 222 |
researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:04:14pm |
re: #219 engineer dog
whatever they are doing, i repeat, it ain't working
time to try something else
There will be protests if the population doesn't get what it wants.
What it wants won't solve the problem.
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Gus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:04:36pm |
re: #214 Varek Raith
Get rid of money.
Crisis solved!
No. Just send all your money to me.
After that I will guarantee you eternal salvation.
//
| 224 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:05:11pm |
re: #223 Gus 802
No. Just send all your money to me.
After that I will guarantee you eternal salvation.
//
Address please?
| 225 |
engineer cat Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:05:31pm |
re: #222 researchok
There will be protests if the population doesn't get what it wants.
What it wants won't solve the problem.
how can you be so sure?
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researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:05:35pm |
re: #223 Gus 802
No. Just send all your money to me.
After that I will guarantee you eternal salvation.
//
No more Benny Hinn or Pat Robertson for you.
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researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:06:17pm |
re: #225 engineer dog
how can you be so sure?
Because giving the Greek population what they wanted sank them.
| 228 |
Gus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:06:47pm |
re: #224 Mr Pancakes
Address please?
Gus 802
c/o Central Bank of Nigeria
Lagos, Nigeria
01-658-21-2658
| 229 |
researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:07:33pm |
re: #228 Gus 802
Gus 802
c/o Central Bank of Nigeria
Lagos, Nigeria
01-658-21-2658
Do you take gold coin?
| 230 |
engineer cat Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:07:38pm |
re: #227 researchok
Because giving the Greek population what they wanted sank them.
they are more sunk now
experiment: fail
| 231 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:08:20pm |
re: #228 Gus 802
Gus 802
c/o Central Bank of Nigeria
Lagos, Nigeria
01-658-21-2658
I already sent a check to that address. You should have gotten it by now.
| 232 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:08:35pm |
| 233 |
researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:08:38pm |
re: #230 engineer dog
they are more sunk now
experiment: fail
I disagree.
What we see now was inevitable.
They counted on the EU to bail them out- and that just prolonged the inevitable.
| 234 |
Gus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:09:21pm |
re: #231 Mr Pancakes
I already sent a check to that address. You should have gotten it by now.
Damn. I'm going to have to have a talk with Dr Altaka Yurmani.
//
| 235 |
researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:09:57pm |
re: #234 Gus 802
Damn. I'm going to have to have a talk with Dr Altaka Yurmani.
//
Or his sister, the Princess.
| 236 |
Mr Pancakes Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:10:32pm |
re: #234 Gus 802
Damn. I'm going to have to have a talk with Dr Altaka Yurmani.
//
No I sent it to Mr. Martin Cook
| 238 |
researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:11:16pm |
| 239 |
engineer cat Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:11:33pm |
re: #233 researchok
I disagree.
What we see now was inevitable.
They counted on the EU to bail them out- and that just prolonged the inevitable.
what kind of inevitable do you foresee for the future under the current course?
| 240 |
Gus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:12:54pm |
re: #235 researchok
Or his sister, the Princess.
Sending money to African nations has always been a sure bet -- even under normal circumstances. It's been working after all these years hasn't it?
//
| 241 |
Stanghazi Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:13:12pm |
re: #218 Killgore Trout
Glenn Beck Retells Personal Story Of ‘Cultural Elite’ Who Mocked Him In NY Park
Beck tells is tale of mockery and scorn again on TV.
I so wish I had been there. I would've yelled: "HEY! IT'S FATHER COUGHLIN!!"
| 242 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:13:43pm |
re: #239 engineer dog
what kind of inevitable do you foresee for the future under the current course?
Heat Death of the Universe
[Link: www.google.com...]
| 243 |
darthstar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:13:46pm |
re: #223 Gus 802
No. Just send all your money to me.
After that I will guarantee you eternal salvation.
//
I guarantee eternal salvation for only half your money!
| 244 |
Obdicut Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:13:47pm |
re: #215 researchok
There's no such thing as a workable austerity program.
There's plenty of room for wise spending-- like spending on food stamps, which gives back into the economy, or spending on science research, which likewise feeds back into the economy. There's plenty of room for spending money well and wisely, but simply cutting back spending in the middle of a recession is, and always will be, foolish.
Many, unfortunately, never ask themselves what happens next. Say you cut, as we have here in the US, the food for mothers with children program. What actually happens? What is the real result?
The government saves the cost of the program. The mothers then burden it, or their parents do, or whoever else can. Mostly, of course, they can't, and so the food dollar is stretched ever more. Less food is bought-- which means less money goes to the local grocery, less money goes to the farmer. She may skimp on something else-- cell phone service that helps her find work or organize child care, clothes for the kids, a dentist visit, a doctor's visit. The children, slightly malnourished, may learn a little slower, might be more tired in class, may develop problems that require medical attention down the road.
Meanwhile, the government has saved the cost of that program; but that same government is going to inherit those problems. The problems of the very poor are always going to be the problems of the government. The problem does not disappear when the spending does. The problem remains.
There's this odd illusion that the government spends lots of money in this profligate fashion, and that that's what we're cutting. The truth is that to identify actual wasteful spending is a time-consuming and, ironically, costly job. So when spending is cut, it tends to be in broad swathes-- education, care for the elderly, environmental enforcement-- and the results of those cuts are very often costs down the line.
Government should not follow the whim of the market; government should be a bulwark against the boom and bust cycle. What we're seeing now is this odd philosophy that the government should only spend when the economy is booming-- when such spending is least needed. It's a rather bizarre inversion.
| 245 |
Digital Display Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:13:49pm |
re: #233 researchok
I disagree.
What we see now was inevitable.
They counted on the EU to bail them out- and that just prolonged the inevitable.
Don't you think joining the EU and using their money really screwed them?
Tied to such a high currency exposed the lack of productivity and competition. Perhaps staying within the economy that suited the unique people in Greece would have been better...
| 246 |
researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:14:51pm |
re: #239 engineer dog
what kind of inevitable do you foresee for the future under the current course?
Germany and France will bail Greece out as long s they stick to a responsible spending and austerity plan.
Looks good so far- Papandereou survived a non confidence motion, the Greek Central Bank is on board and the rich realize they have more to lose if they don't pay their taxes.
They won't cut back on the social benefits right away, but there will be spending cuts.
IMO, they need to spend even more on Tourism.
| 247 |
darthstar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:15:35pm |
re: #241 Stanley Sea
I so wish I had been there. I would've yelled: "HEY! IT'S FATHER COUGHLIN!!"
I would have sat down, put on my best racist act, and recorded a conversation with him.
| 248 |
austin_blue Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:16:07pm |
re: #183 Slumbering Behemoth
Heh. ABC World News just commented on Bachmann "embracing the revisionist history of the Tea Party", following with a clip on the John Quincy Adams flap.
This election cycle is going to be nuts. I expect lots of crying about "The Liberal MSM and their sneaky Gotcha! questions".
The thing about Bachmann is that you don't need to ask questions. Just hand her a mic and turn on your recorder.
Gold, I tell ya! Pure journalistic gold!
| 249 |
researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:16:29pm |
re: #240 Gus 802
Sending money to African nations has always been a sure bet -- even under normal circumstances. It's been working after all these years hasn't it?
//
In all seriousness, even African economists aree now calling for an end to the aid
| 250 |
Gus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:16:57pm |
re: #246 researchok
Germany and France will bail Greece out as long s they stick to a responsible spending and austerity plan.
Looks good so far- Papandereou survived a non confidence motion, the Greek Central Bank is on board and the rich realize they have more to lose if they don't pay their taxes.
They won't cut back on the social benefits right away, but there will be spending cuts.
IMO, they need to spend even more on Tourism.
They raise their retirement age yet?
| 251 |
Gus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:18:22pm |
Must have been nice. Spend all your life doing squat and then retire at around 55 years old and collect a government pension. This after paying no taxes.
| 253 |
engineer cat Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:20:23pm |
| 254 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:20:31pm |
re: #244 Obdicut
There's no such thing as a workable austerity program.
Where I disagree with you is where when revenues go up and safety nets (along with other spending) increases run into that point where revenues decline as they must from time to time.
If spending can not adjust accordingly, then servicing the debt eats monies otherwise available for safety nets etc. If I read you right you are saying safety net spending can never be reduced only maintained or expanded. Debt has consequences proportionate to the size of the debt.
| 256 |
researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:21:13pm |
re: #250 Gus 802
They raise their retirement age yet?
I think so, though there is noise about repealing it.
Think about- immigrants came to here, didn't speak the language and busted their butts in real manual labor jobs, without today's technology.
And now people are complaining they have to work another two years before sucking on the govt tit.
| 257 |
engineer cat Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:23:33pm |
re: #254 Rightwingconspirator
Where I disagree with you is where when revenues go up and safety nets (along with other spending) increases run into that point where revenues decline as they must from time to time.
If spending can not adjust accordingly, then servicing the debt eats monies otherwise available for safety nets etc. If I read you right you are saying safety net spending can never be reduced only maintained or expanded. Debt has consequences proportionate to the size of the debt.
money doesn't disappear when governments spend it
economies prosper when money moves around quickly, not when budgets are balanced
| 258 |
researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:24:12pm |
re: #244 Obdicut
There's no such thing as a workable austerity program.
There's plenty of room for wise spending-- like spending on food stamps, which gives back into the economy, or spending on science research, which likewise feeds back into the economy. There's plenty of room for spending money well and wisely, but simply cutting back spending in the middle of a recession is, and always will be, foolish.
Many, unfortunately, never ask themselves what happens next. Say you cut, as we have here in the US, the food for mothers with children program. What actually happens? What is the real result?
The government saves the cost of the program. The mothers then burden it, or their parents do, or whoever else can. Mostly, of course, they can't, and so the food dollar is stretched ever more. Less food is bought-- which means less money goes to the local grocery, less money goes to the farmer. She may skimp on something else-- cell phone service that helps her find work or organize child care, clothes for the kids, a dentist visit, a doctor's visit. The children, slightly malnourished, may learn a little slower, might be more tired in class, may develop problems that require medical attention down the road.
Meanwhile, the government has saved the cost of that program; but that same government is going to inherit those problems. The problems of the very poor are always going to be the problems of the government. The problem does not disappear when the spending does. The problem remains.
There's this odd illusion that the government spends lots of money in this profligate fashion, and that that's what we're cutting. The truth is that to identify actual wasteful spending is a time-consuming and, ironically, costly job. So when spending is cut, it tends to be in broad swathes-- education, care for the elderly, environmental enforcement-- and the results of those cuts are very often costs down the line.
Government should not follow the whim of the market; government should be a bulwark against the boom and bust cycle. What we're seeing now is this odd philosophy that the government should only spend when the economy is booming-- when such spending is least needed. It's a rather bizarre inversion.
France and Germany and other European countries have cut spending. Austerity, couples with wise spending, is the only permanent solution to this debt crisis.
We have to earn more than we spend.
| 259 |
Obdicut Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:24:18pm |
re: #254 Rightwingconspirator
Where I disagree with you is where when revenues go up and safety nets (along with other spending) increases run into that point where revenues decline as they must from time to time.
If spending can not adjust accordingly, then servicing the debt eats monies otherwise available for safety nets etc. If I read you right you are saying safety net spending can never be reduced only maintained or expanded. Debt has consequences proportionate to the size of the debt.
Debt has the consequence of having to pay off that debt. Cutting spending on safety net type spending has the consequence of costs down the line. It's pretty much six of one and half a dozen of the other.
I'm also not saying that spending on safety nets can never decline; when the economy is booming, we can spend a lot less on unemployment, on welfare, on food stamps, etc.
The problem is that we tend to spend like madmen when the economy is booming-- and we often spend inefficiently. I'm saying that government spending should go up when the economy slows, and go down when the economy is ticking along nicely.
Of course, all this is moot in the current environment, when what we need to do is shitloads of spending on combating AGW.
| 260 |
researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:24:56pm |
re: #257 engineer dog
money doesn't disappear when governments spend it
economies prosper when money moves around quickly, not when budgets are balanced
So why is Clinton praised for a balanced budget? He ought to be vilified.
| 261 |
Obdicut Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:25:01pm |
re: #258 researchok
You need to earn more than you spend over the long term, not every year. That was my entire point. Maybe read my post again, I don't know.
I'm headed out.
| 263 |
recusancy Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:26:04pm |
re: #256 researchok
I think so, though there is noise about repealing it.
Think about- immigrants came to here, didn't speak the language and busted their butts in real manual labor jobs, without today's technology.
And now people are complaining they have to work another two years before sucking on the govt tit.
They paid into that government tit. It's their money.
| 264 |
researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:27:29pm |
re: #261 Obdicut
You need to earn more than you spend over the long term, not every year. That was my entire point. Maybe read my post again, I don't know.
I'm headed out.
You need to live within your means all the time.
With the exception of mortgages, education and health care (debts we ought to have), we do not need to spend like drunken sailors.
| 265 |
engineer cat Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:28:41pm |
re: #260 researchok
So why is Clinton praised for a balanced budget? He ought to be vilified.
i didn't say balanced budgets were bad, did I?
| 266 |
recusancy Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:29:07pm |
re: #264 researchok
You need to live within your means all the time.
With the exception of mortgages, education and health care (debts we ought to have), we do not need to spend like drunken sailors.
Are you talking government or citizens?
| 267 |
researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:29:53pm |
re: #263 recusancy
They paid into that government tit. It's their money.
Retirees take out far more than they put in. Raising the retirement age is a reality both parties are beginning to deal with.
Further, the govt has been borrowing that SS money, making the debt even higher.
We can't keep printing money.
| 268 |
researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:32:17pm |
re: #266 recusancy
Are you talking government or citizens?
Mostly citizens (and we have to begin saving again, Visa and MasterCard notwithstanding), but even government has to behave responsibly.
In Canada, you need 20%-30% down to buy a home.
Needless to say, their foreclosure rate is much lower than ours.
| 269 |
engineer cat Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:32:57pm |
re: #260 researchok
So why is Clinton praised for a balanced budget? He ought to be vilified.
also, recall that the balanced bugets resulted from tax increases and some budget cutting, followed by economic expansion. this showed that large tax cuts were not incompatible with economic expansion, no matter how loudly republicans like to assert the opposite, and the balanced budget resulted mostly from the economic expansion and the tax increases, and very little from the budget cuts, which things are a matter of record and not theory
in greece things are not happening in this order
| 270 |
researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:34:32pm |
re: #265 engineer dog
i didn't say balanced budgets were bad, did I?
No, you did not- but you implied spending and debt were better.
See this on Behavioral Economics.
Fascinating stuff.
| 271 |
engineer cat Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:35:26pm |
re: #264 researchok
You need to live within your means all the time
it is within my means to borrow an amount considerably more than my annual gross income because i can afford to service the debt - my mortgage. it is within my means
the u.s. government does the same thing
| 272 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:35:35pm |
This post is just intended to deal with a Firefox error.
| 273 |
researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:35:57pm |
re: #269 engineer dog
also, recall that the balanced bugets resulted from tax increases and some budget cutting, followed by economic expansion. this showed that large tax cuts were not incompatible with economic expansion, no matter how loudly republicans like to assert the opposite, and the balanced budget resulted mostly from the economic expansion and the tax increases, and very little from the budget cuts, which things are a matter of record and not theory
in greece things are not happening in this order
EXACTLY.
There is no magic bullet- economic health comes about as the result of a multi faceted approach- 'tax increases and some budget cutting, followed by economic expansion'.
On this we are on the same page
| 274 |
engineer cat Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:36:04pm |
| 275 |
engineer cat Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:36:31pm |
re: #273 researchok
EXACTLY.
There is no magic bullet- economic health comes about as the result of a multi faceted approach- 'tax increases and some budget cutting, followed by economic expansion'.
On this we are on the same page
in greece, the cart is before the horse
| 276 |
researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:37:52pm |
re: #271 engineer dog
it is within my means to borrow an amount considerably more than my annual gross income because i can afford to service the debt - my mortgage. it is within my means
the u.s. government does the same thing
Mortgage spending, education spending and even healthcare spending are considered investments.
Credit to lease a Mercedes on a 35k a year salery is not.
| 277 |
recusancy Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:39:20pm |
re: #276 researchok
Mortgage spending, education spending and even healthcare spending are considered investments.
Credit to lease a Mercedes on a 35k a year salery is not.
What does the government do that is analogous to getting a mercedes?
| 278 |
recusancy Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:39:53pm |
re: #277 recusancy
What does the government do that is analogous to getting a mercedes?
Because that's what we are talking about. Government. Not individuals. Or at least I thought we were.
| 279 |
researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:41:49pm |
re: #277 recusancy
What does the government do that is analogous to getting a mercedes?
Waste, for one thing.
There is a reason the GAO and CBO exist.
| 280 |
researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:42:22pm |
| 281 |
recusancy Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:43:07pm |
re: #279 researchok
Waste, for one thing.
There is a reason the GAO and CBO exist.
Can you possibly be a little more specific?
| 282 |
researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:46:14pm |
re: #281 recusancy
Can you possibly be a little more specific?
Spending oversight committees for every single department, fraud investigation arm of various agencies, 'checking the numbers' (CBO), ever expanding whistle blower programs, DoD programs that are unwanted, etc, ad infinitum.
| 283 |
recusancy Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:50:10pm |
re: #282 researchok
Spending oversight committees for every single department, fraud investigation arm of various agencies, 'checking the numbers' (CBO), ever expanding whistle blower programs, DoD programs that are unwanted, etc, ad infinitum.
So you want to take out oversight and whistle blowers and fraud investigation? I thought you wanted things to get better?
| 284 |
researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:52:31pm |
re: #283 recusancy
So you want to take out oversight and whistle blowers and fraud investigation? I thought you wanted things to get better?
No, I want to keep and expand them.
| 285 |
sagehen Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:53:21pm |
re: #264 researchok
You need to live within your means all the time.
With the exception of mortgages, education and health care (debts we ought to have), we do not need to spend like drunken sailors.
And yet "mortgages" (infrastructure), education and healch care (medicare) are exactly the spending that todays GOP wants to skimp on.
| 286 |
recusancy Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:59:18pm |
re: #284 researchok
No, I want to keep and expand them.
Oh. My question was can you be more specific on what waste you want to get rid of? Where's the mercedes?
| 287 |
engineer cat Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:06:21pm |
more austerity fail:
More than 10,000 retail jobs face the axe as the British high street faces one of its most painful bouts of contraction since the second world war amid the biggest squeeze on household budgets for decades.
As the government's austerity measures take hold, experts warned that the number of retailers going bust would continue to rise this year with a number of household names facing insolvency.
| 288 |
CarleeCork Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:32:54pm |
re: #51 SpaceJesus
obama should have said, "fuck this. bringing afghanistan into the 20th-21st century is either prohibitively expensive or impossible. we're out." then knocked something over and walked away.
And what will the unemployment rate look like when all the deployed men and women come home? You don't really think our government will put them to work on our infrastructure do you?
Cut taxes, that'll create jobs.
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