Jeremy Hammond, Hacker for Anonymous, Sentenced to 10 Years

While pretending to be about freedom these groups are really about getting personal info and credit cards

A Chicago computer hacker tied to the group known as Anonymous was sentenced Friday to 10 years in prison for cyberattacks on various government agencies and businesses, including a global intelligence company.

Jeremy Hammond, 28, was handed the maximum term for the December 2011 hacking of Strategic Forecasting, an attack his lawyers contend was driven by concern about the role of private firms in gathering intelligence domestically and abroad.

…resulted in the theft of 60,000 credit card numbers and records for 860,000 clients, which were then uploaded online. Prosecutors say the hack of Strategic Forecasting, or Stratfor, resulted in the theft of 60,000 credit card numbers and records for 860,000 clients, which were then uploaded online. Hammond admitted being behind it in May.

He also admitted to hacking several law enforcement agencies and organizations, including the Arizona Department of Public Safety, and releasing personal details of officers as part of an attack by the Anonymous-affiliated group LulzSec.

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1 darthstar  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 5:44:25am

This is great news for Edward Snowden!

2 darthstar  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 5:44:49am

Good morning everyone.

3 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 5:48:54am

I’m concerned about the loss of habitat for Whooping Cranes. Think I’ll steal a car.

4 Tim TeaBro  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 5:54:48am

The fatuous freedom fighters are to liberty like think tanks are to thinking.

Their goal just seems to blow shit up, and if they can get some scratch on the side well hey, Robin Hood. Except for the giving to the poor part.

5 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 5:58:52am

Hammond, Snowden, and the rest of the dudebros need to grow the hell up.

Can you imagine society in their hands? It’s what they want, of course, but intelligence, ethics and good sense won’t allow it.

6 Internet Tough Guy  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 6:02:45am

PERSONAL INFORMATION WANTS TO BE FREE

7 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 6:08:46am

GG is swimming with the cyber criminals.


He also agreed with the CCR (Center for Constitutional Rights) which tweeted:

“A profound injustice today. #JeremyHammond has been sentenced to 10yrs in prison for exposing unlawful surveillance by corporations.”

Retweeted by Glenn Greenwald

8 Flounder  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 6:08:48am

My head is pounding. Good morning Lizards, now I wish I got my flu shot.

9 b.d.  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 6:09:17am

re: #3 Decatur Deb

Duke: The lights are growing dim Otto. I know a life of crime has led me to this sorry fate, and yet, I blame society. Society made me what I am.

Otto: That’s bullshit. You’re a white suburban punk just like me.

Duke: Yeah, but it still hurts. - Repo Man

10 b.d.  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 6:10:05am

re: #7 Justanotherhuman

Kim Ditcom, now there’s a class act.

//

11 Internet Tough Guy  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 6:13:06am

ONLY NSA SPYING IS BAD

12 Internet Tough Guy  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 6:14:03am

FREE MUMIA HAMMOND

13 darthstar  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 6:15:18am

Whistleblowers don’t steal 60,000 credit card numbers.

14 b.d.  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 6:15:55am

re: #11 Internet Tough Guy

ONLY NSA SPYING IS BAD

The Supreme Council of Dudebros shall be the sole arbiter of what the people should see.

15 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 6:25:39am

re: #13 darthstar

Whistleblowers don’t steal 60,000 credit card numbers.

And dump them on the internet, either, for anyone to steal.

euobserver.com

16 b.d.  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 6:26:30am

The outpouring of support was INCREDIBLE!!

Hammond’s sentencing drew more than 250 letters of support from family, friends and activists, including Daniel Ellsberg, the former U.S. military analyst who in 1971 released the Pentagon Papers, the top secret U.S. report on its role in the Vietnam War

And of course seeing the word Ellsberg is the same as chanting ollie ollie oxen free.

17 darthstar  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 6:28:10am

re: #16 b.d.

The outpouring of support was INCREDIBLE!!

And of course seeing the word Ellsberg is the same as chanting ollie ollie oxen free.

Ellsberg is no Randolph Scott.

18 darthstar  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 6:28:58am

Typo on Randolph…fixed.

19 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 6:29:31am

re: #16 b.d.

The outpouring of support was INCREDIBLE!!

And of course seeing the word Ellsberg is the same as chanting ollie ollie oxen free.

Ellsberg hasn’t figured out yet that you can’t trust everyone under 30.

20 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 6:36:15am

Good Morning Lizards!

Noisy outside today since the Philadelphia Marathon is going on. Lots of people not getting any work* done. Cats are sitting on the window sill watching all the pedestrians go by.

* - In both the personal and the physics sense when you think about it.

21 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 6:37:15am

re: #17 darthstar

Ellsberg is no Randolph Scott.

(Put hat over heart)
Randolph Scott!

;)

22 b.d.  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 6:41:15am

re: #17 darthstar

Ellsberg is no Randolf Scott.

He’s not even a Zachary Scott

23 Aqua Obama  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 6:43:01am

Developing:

Oh God, The Rich Texans Who Won The Packard Plant Sound Batshit Insane

…then…

Bidder Who Won The Packard Plant Is Basically Paying With Sofa Change

Come on Detroit, there’s got to be a better way to run auctions than letting Carlos Danger and I.C. Weiner bid.

24 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 6:52:07am

re: #23 Aqua Obama

Developing:

Oh God, The Rich Texans Who Won The Packard Plant Sound Batshit Insane

…then…

Bidder Who Won The Packard Plant Is Basically Paying With Sofa Change

Come on Detroit, there’s got to be a better way to run auctions than letting Carlos Danger and I.C. Weiner bid.

Was Van Horn run out of CA? That would be rich.

drjillvanhorn.com

25 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 6:54:55am

re: #23 Aqua Obama

Developing:

Oh God, The Rich Texans Who Won The Packard Plant Sound Batshit Insane

…then…

Bidder Who Won The Packard Plant Is Basically Paying With Sofa Change

Come on Detroit, there’s got to be a better way to run auctions than letting Carlos Danger and I.C. Weiner bid.

“Moe’s Tavern”

26 Tim TeaBro  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 7:07:09am

Damn humans. More abilities to communicate even faster yet we still stick to the same patterns, myths, and psychological traits as we always have.

As the tea party populists and Dudebros in Guy Fawkes masks continue to align themselves, it only shows that they’re both batshit insane and in the same quadrant of the Circle of Nuttery.

27 Mattand  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 7:10:29am

re: #9 b.d.

Great bit of dialog from Repo Man

How old is that movie? 30 years?

The more things change, etc., etc. Otto would so be totally a dudebro today.

28 Tim TeaBro  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 7:14:10am

Obama-backed jihadis feed Aleppo dogs with Syrian soldiers’ bodies…

Pay attention to me!

29 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 7:15:46am

re: #28 Tim TeaBro

Obama-backed jihadis feed Aleppo dogs with Syrian soldiers’ bodies…

Pay attention to me!

There are no American tanks in Baghdad!

30 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 7:19:57am

These are incredible…

The past comes to life - adding color to historical photographs

I think Walt Whitman totally looks like Gandalf

31 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 7:23:39am

re: #20 Feline Fearless Leader

Good Morning Lizards!

Noisy outside today since the Philadelphia Marathon is going on. Lots of people not getting any work* done. Cats are sitting on the window sill watching all the pedestrians go by.

* - In both the personal and the physics sense when you think about it.

Cats have mixed views about human marathons: On the one hand, they prefer that their staff remain in shape so as to better serve them, but the other hand marathons take said humans away from their staffing duties for hours on a weekend.

Cats also look somewhat down at running humans, knowing that they run more gracefully than any human ever will.

32 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 7:28:50am

re: #30 Eclectic Cyborg

These are incredible…

The past comes to life - adding color to historical photographs

I think Walt Whitman totally looks like Gandalf

Although in some of those photos the color is a guess.

33 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 7:30:13am

re: #32 Dark_Falcon

Although in some of those photos the color is a guess.

I just hope they did not colorize in brown shoes with Lincoln’s blue suit…

34 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 7:32:59am

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

Cats have mixed views about human marathons: On the one hand, they prefer that their staff remain in shape so as to better serve them, but the other hand marathons take said humans away from their staffing duties for hours on a weekend.

Cats also look somewhat down at running humans, knowing that they run more gracefully than any human ever will.

Though they do appreciate the human ability of being able to use two appendages for carrying while running to serve the Feline Overlord.

35 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 7:33:21am

re: #33 Sol Berdinowitz

I just hope they did not colorize in brown shoes with Lincoln’s blue suit…

Yeah. With TR the evidence would be better, and it is quite clear from the photo how well that fierce man loved his children and grandchildren.

36 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 7:36:10am

re: #30 Eclectic Cyborg

These are incredible…

The past comes to life - adding color to historical photographs

I think Walt Whitman totally looks like Gandalf

Unemployed lumber worker had no need to go to the gym…

37 Aqua Obama  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 7:42:24am

Corn futures fall after EPA ethanol proposal

Hey, look, corn futures. It should be abundantly clear who pushed for ethanol subsidies. The same “environmentalists” who are pushing for sweet fracking natural gas.

38 GeneJockey  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 7:46:38am

re: #37 Aqua Obama

Corn futures fall after EPA ethanol proposal

Hey, look, corn futures. It should be abundantly clear who pushed for ethanol subsidies. The same “environmentalists” who are pushing for sweet fracking natural gas.

“Aw, crap! Now what do we do with all this corn? It’s not like we can eat it or nothing.”

39 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 7:47:52am

re: #37 Aqua Obama

Corn futures fall after EPA ethanol proposal

Hey, look, corn futures. It should be abundantly clear who pushed for ethanol subsidies. The same “environmentalists” who are pushing for sweet fracking natural gas.

What makes you say that? The companies that produce ethanol are for the most part not the ones that handle natural gas exploration and production. And while corn futures were down (which like is giving some people who work at the Chicago Board of trade a bit of worry), natural gas futures rose higher than corn futures fell.

Your analysis does not seem to fit the facts.

40 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 7:49:13am

re: #38 GeneJockey

“Aw, crap! Now what do we do with all this corn? It’s not like we can eat it or nothing.”

You can always turn it into corn syrup and use it to sweeten Mountain Dew.

41 Norbrook  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 7:51:23am

I used to run into a lot of people like that, mostly younger teenagers, who were full of themselves. Some people never seem to grow up. It’s not “ethical” or “whistleblowing” to hack into a company, take information like credit card or personnel information and post it for either profit or just “because you can.” Your “moral justification” just went out the window when you do that.

42 ObserverArt  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 7:53:08am

The problem with some of the younger hackers is they seem to see it all as a digital game and have no feel for what their gaming does to systems and people that do rely on them.

Is some of this type of behavior coming from people that were raised with very little discipline? I’m not going to put a whole generation in one lump, but for a long time there has been social concern there were too many children being raised with less strict methods, called winners in everything and in some cases abused by parents that might just not have cared about their kids at all.

I don’t see some of these cases as being criminal in the classic sense. Of course the outcome of their actions gets into criminality. But, were they criminals going in or just hackers seeing what they could pull off and then going…”cool!” There just seems to be some very naive thinking or total lack of thinking other than the game of getting in.

43 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 7:59:40am

re: #23 Aqua Obama

Developing:

Oh God, The Rich Texans Who Won The Packard Plant Sound Batshit Insane

…then…

Bidder Who Won The Packard Plant Is Basically Paying With Sofa Change

Come on Detroit, there’s got to be a better way to run auctions than letting Carlos Danger and I.C. Weiner bid.

The bid has been cancelled. Some Peruvian guy might buy it now.

44 Aqua Obama  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:00:20am

re: #39 Dark_Falcon

What makes you say that? The companies that produce ethanol are for the most part not the ones that handle natural gas exploration and production. And while corn futures were down (which like is giving some people who work at the Chicago Board of trade a bit of worry), natural gas futures rose higher than corn futures fell.

Your analysis does not seem to fit the facts.

Gee, try to think non-linearly once in a while. Ethanol mandates are cut from the same cloth as lobbyist inspired natural gas legislation currently wending their way through state legislatures right now.

AP: Taxpayers foot bill for natural gas industry subsidies

45 piratedan  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:00:30am

re: #22 b.d.

He’s not even a Zachary Scott

or even Lt. Commander Montgomery Scott

46 thedopefishlives  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:09:45am

Anonymous was always a double-edged sword. They never do the right thing for the sake of doing the right thing, all they’re in it for is Anonymous. They seek publicity and the chance to hurt people with their hacking exploits. That they’ve done seemingly “good” things in the past does not excuse the fact that they are basically the anarchists of the Internet world and they take pride in it. Many of Anonymous are young, undisciplined geeks who just like the rush of breaking into “secure” systems for the hell of it, uncaring of the real-world consequences.

47 BongCrodny  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:12:42am

re: #16 b.d.

The outpouring of support was INCREDIBLE!!

And of course seeing the word Ellsberg is the same as chanting ollie ollie oxen free.

[Comment redacted for being late to the freaking party yet again….mumble mumble mumble.]

48 Aqua Obama  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:14:45am

Pennsylvania could have had lasting property tax reform that would have benefited the working class for a generation if they had deigned to tax fracking operators on a minuscule basis.

Corbett is so goddamned craven and unimaginative he can’t even secure a reasonable, lasting deal that would guarantee a re-election. And I don’t want to even hear the “small government” angle when he is using the state government to facilitate millions of dollars in fracking subsidies.

State subsidies to gas industry could reach $1 billion over a decade

49 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:15:09am

re: #44 Aqua Obama

Gee, try to think non-linearly once in a while. Ethanol mandates are cut from the same cloth as lobbyist inspired natural gas legislation currently wending their way through state legislatures right now.

AP: Taxpayers foot bill for natural gas industry subsidies

I still do not understand you. My capacity for non-linear thinking is constrained by my innate literalism and the remnants of ADHD from my younger years. My brain typically reacts to non-linearism by gish-galloping from one think I know to another. Hence the reason I sometimes have tunnel vision: I use limited focus as a coping technique.

50 Lidane  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:15:47am

re: #38 GeneJockey

“Aw, crap! Now what do we do with all this corn? It’s not like we can eat it or nothing.”

We really can’t. So much of the corn that’s grown in this country is inedible in its natural state. It has to be processed first:

videos.howstuffworks.com

51 thedopefishlives  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:17:04am

re: #50 Lidane

We really can’t. So much of the corn that’s grown in this country is inedible in its natural state. It has to be processed first:

videos.howstuffworks.com

Because it increases corn output. Versions of corn that are edible off the cob are more vulnerable to destruction.

52 Lidane  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:18:19am

re: #51 thedopefishlives

Because it increases corn output. Versions of corn that are edible off the cob are more vulnerable to destruction.

Yep. We went for quantity over quality.

53 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:19:23am

re: #46 thedopefishlives

Anonymous was always a double-edged sword. They never do the right thing for the sake of doing the right thing, all they’re in it for is Anonymous. They seek publicity and the chance to hurt people with their hacking exploits. That they’ve done seemingly “good” things in the past does not excuse the fact that they are basically the anarchists of the Internet world and they take pride in it. Many of Anonymous are young, undisciplined geeks who just like the rush of breaking into “secure” systems for the hell of it, uncaring of the real-world consequences.

It’s the computer equivalent of the ‘knock out game’ currently appearing in the news yet again. What is needed for the young men (in both cases the lawbreaking is being done in great majority by males) is to provide them with a better structured outlet for their energy and creativity, backed by resolute law-enforcement action to deter those who can be deterred and apprehend those who cannot.

54 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:20:15am

re: #52 Lidane

Yep. We went for quantity over quality.

Soviet corn.

55 Aqua Obama  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:20:22am

I blame Christopher Columbus.

56 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:21:24am

re: #44 Aqua Obama

Gee, try to think non-linearly once in a while. Ethanol mandates are cut from the same cloth as lobbyist inspired natural gas legislation currently wending their way through state legislatures right now.

I object. Mandates are printed with ink on paper, or, these, days, created electronically. In neither case is cloth involved in the process in any way.

Edit: … except to clothe the people involved.

57 GeneJockey  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:22:47am

re: #42 ObserverArt

The problem with some of the younger hackers is they seem to see it all as a digital game and have no feel for what their gaming does to systems and people that do rely on them.

Is some of this type of behavior coming from people that were raised with very little discipline? I’m not going to put a whole generation in one lump, but for a long time there has been social concern there were too many children being raised with less strict methods, called winners in everything and in some cases abused by parents that might just not have cared about their kids at all.

I don’t see some of these cases as being criminal in the classic sense. Of course the outcome of their actions gets into criminality. But, were they criminals going in or just hackers seeing what they could pull off and then going…”cool!” There just seems to be some very naive thinking or total lack of thinking other than the game of getting in.

When I was a teenager, we used to do things like smashing rural mailboxes with baseball bats, throwing bottles at road signs, setting off M80s where they would cause the most consternation, etc. I knew some guys who taped an M80 to a hated teacher’s picture window, and at the time I thought it was funny. Of course when I got older and imagined what it must have been like for the teacher, I was ashamed to have ever thought it was even close to acceptable, let alone ‘cool’.

In other words, we did illegal, morally indefensible things because we wanted to see what we could get away with and to impress our friends. And we didn’t think about the consequences to the people we did them to.

By and large, we weren’t lacking discipline at home, nor were we abused. We were just young men who had reached the age of being able to do a lot of things without having reached the age where we thought much about whether we actually SHOULD do them.

If I had to guess, I’d say that mentality is what drives a lot of hacking. Then somebody offers a justification for it - you’re fighting against The Man, man! - and as long as nobody you know gets hurt or inconvenienced, any damage you’re doing remains abstract and distant.

58 Aqua Obama  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:23:56am

re: #56 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Cloth paper, perhaps?

59 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:25:19am

Anonymous-affiliated hacker sentenced to 10 years in Occupy Wall Street case

vancouversun.com

In one chat, Hammond wrote that he hoped to cause “financial mayhem” with one of his cyberattacks. “I’m hoping for bankruptcy, collapse,” he said.
….
Prosecutors described Hammond as “a computer hacking recidivist who … went on to engage in massive hacking spree during which he caused harm to numerous businesses, individuals and governments, resulting in loses between $1 million and $2.5 million, and threatened the safety of the public at large, especially law enforcement officers and their families.”

Hammond also told the judge he hacked into law enforcement-related sites in retaliation for the arrests of Occupy Wall Street protesters.

60 Aqua Obama  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:27:15am

re: #50 Lidane

We really can’t. So much of the corn that’s grown in this country is inedible in its natural state. It has to be processed first:

videos.howstuffworks.com

*does best Ralph Kramden impression*

Hominyhominyhominy

61 thedopefishlives  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:29:25am

re: #57 GeneJockey

And as the victim of some of those crimes (namely, the mailbox-breaking), I never understood the mindset of the boys that indulged in them. My friends and I always did more wholesome things in our off hours. But then again, we had more wholesome things to do that we enjoyed doing, and our parents encouraged us to do them.

62 GeneJockey  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:32:16am

re: #50 Lidane

We really can’t. So much of the corn that’s grown in this country is inedible in its natural state. It has to be processed first:

videos.howstuffworks.com

It’s pushing the definition of ‘inedible’ to say it’s inedible. By that definition, so is wheat.

A large part of the diet in Mexico, for example, is made up of this kind of corn, after it’s been nixtamalized, which that video sensationalizes as ‘treating it with a corrosive chemical’. This is why, when we started making ethanol from corn for fuel uses, Mexicans saw their food costs rising dramatically - because we can, and do, eat it.

63 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:34:38am

re: #62 GeneJockey

It’s pushing the definition of ‘inedible’ to say it’s inedible. By that definition, so is wheat.

A large part of the diet in Mexico, for example, is made up of this kind of corn, after it’s been nixtamalized, which that video sensationalizes as ‘treating it with a corrosive chemical’. This is why, when we started making ethanol from corn for fuel uses, Mexicans saw their food costs rising dramatically - because we can, and do, eat it.

”..’treating it with a corrosive chemical’..” = wood ash = sodium hydroxide = hominy.

64 Tim TeaBro  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:35:25am

Damn consultants.

Where they get paid to make my job more difficult, spin my wheels, and make the end product more complex and less satisfying to the client for which I am to be blamed.

65 thedopefishlives  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:36:23am

re: #64 Tim TeaBro

Damn consultants.

Where they get paid to make my job more difficult, spin my wheels, and make the end product more complex and less satisfying to the client for which I am to be blamed.

Hey, be nice. Some of us actually do our jobs, and do it well.

66 GeneJockey  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:36:59am

re: #63 Decatur Deb

”..’treating it with a corrosive chemical’..” = wood ash = sodium hydroxide = hominy.

Hominy grits can you eat in a day?
//

67 Aqua Obama  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:37:04am

This thread got really corny

68 GeneJockey  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:39:30am

re: #61 thedopefishlives

And as the victim of some of those crimes (namely, the mailbox-breaking), I never understood the mindset of the boys that indulged in them. My friends and I always did more wholesome things in our off hours. But then again, we had more wholesome things to do that we enjoyed doing, and our parents encouraged us to do them.

Did you never go through a rebellious phase, where your parents’ encouragement to do something would be the death knell for your desire to do it?

69 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:40:53am

re: #67 Aqua Obama

This thread got really corny

I think it was being stalk-ed.

70 thedopefishlives  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:42:14am

re: #68 GeneJockey

Did you never go through a rebellious phase, where your parents’ encouragement to do something would be the death knell for your desire to do it?

I actually never did, believe it or not. I don’t know why. Part of it was that during the normal “rebellious phase”, I had a really rough time of it among my peers, so I actually wound up turning to my parents instead of spurning them. I was always the obedient son, up until I left home for a land far far away in the wilds of the great white north.

71 Tim TeaBro  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:45:33am

re: #65 thedopefishlives

Hey, be nice. Some of us actually do our jobs, and do it well.

I think it depends on the biz model. I’m in a squirrely business concisely described by the infamous Hunter S Thompson quote:

The home automation business is long shallow money trench where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There’s also a negative side.

When I worked in commercial audio video the consultants seemed to do a little better job.

The nice thing is I have a detailed spec to bid on. The bad thing is some of the details suck, are using outdated products, or will dissatisfy the client in the long run, for which my reputation will be exposed. Which means I have to write a bunch of caveats in my proposal so I’m record saying ‘I don’t want to do this, it sucks because X, but here is how much it will cost you.’

72 GeneJockey  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:45:45am

re: #70 thedopefishlives

I actually never did, believe it or not. I don’t know why. Part of it was that during the normal “rebellious phase”, I had a really rough time of it among my peers, so I actually wound up turning to my parents instead of spurning them. I was always the obedient son, up until I left home for a land far far away in the wilds of the great white north.

The other thing about where I lived? Small rural town, not a goddam thing to do on a Saturday night. Or Friday night. Or, honestly, all summer.

People like to imagine that small town life is idyllic, but it’s boring as all hell when you’re a teenager.

73 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:46:09am

re: #66 GeneJockey

Hominy grits can you eat in a day?
//

Grits is an end product—there’s a dish where you just eat the bleached corn kernels whole. It’s an old process from pre-contact times in Kentucky. One archaeological clue to a long-term native occupation site was ‘hominy holes’, exposed areas of suitable bedrock where continued pounding left a permanent ‘mortar’.

74 thedopefishlives  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:48:07am

re: #72 GeneJockey

The other thing about where I lived? Small rural town, not a goddam thing to do on a Saturday night. Or Friday night. Or, honestly, all summer.

People like to imagine that small town life is idyllic, but it’s boring as all hell when you’re a teenager.

It really is. My neighbor and I were both farm kids, lived on small 10-15 acre hay farms. My dad didn’t actively farm his, but my neighbor did, 3 cuttings a year so every few months I’d get a phone call saying, “Come over on Saturday, bring your work gloves and your biggest pair of biceps, we’re bucking hay bales.” So we spent most of our bored hours out in one or the other of our barns, working on tractors or other farm equipment.

75 Aqua Obama  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:49:31am

Painter gives the Danish Royal Family the Jon McNaughton treatment:

Image: tumblr_mwbb8s9qGt1r47deno1_1280.jpg

76 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:49:47am

re: #66 GeneJockey

Hominy grits can you eat in a day?
//

Only one—on a low-corn diet.

77 b.d.  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:56:12am

re: #76 Decatur Deb

Only one—on a low-corn diet.

That amaizes me.

78 jaunte  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 8:58:51am

re: #72 GeneJockey

The other thing about where I lived? Small rural town, not a goddam thing to do on a Saturday night. Or Friday night. Or, honestly, all summer.

People like to imagine that small town life is idyllic, but it’s boring as all hell when you’re a teenager.

Even when you’re an adult, there isn’t much to do. Just got back from visiting the in-laws in Mississippi, just up the road from Tupelo, the Lair of Fischer. For excitement, people park in the middle of the main drag:
Image: newalbany.jpg

79 Political Atheist  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 9:05:47am

re: #77 b.d.

That amaizes me.

Corny jokes at breakfast? I’m feeling my oats today.

80 Lidane  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 9:11:54am

This is glorious. Yeah, they went there:

Youtube Video

81 Tim TeaBro  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 9:15:57am

Careful on Breaking Bad. I’ve watched about 10 minutes of one episode and have purposely not watched any more because I plan to watch the whole series in sequence.

Except this time, I won’t do it in a marathon like I did The Sopranos. I got really weirded out watching too many too fast. It’s good if you take some meat world time in between episodes.

82 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 9:26:48am

re: #80 Lidane

It just begged to be done and Bryan Cranston is enough of a card to want to do it.

83 Stoatly  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 9:34:14am

re: #75 Aqua Obama

Bit of an, ehem, “Children of the Corn” vibe to the kid in the foreground

84 jaunte  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 9:36:13am
85 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 9:37:22am

re: #84 jaunte

Just plain sad, that pic.

86 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 9:39:18am

The weather is gnarly in my part of the world.

Hailing/storming/tornado spottings.

Midwest Lizards stay safe!

87 b.d.  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 9:41:23am

re: #86 FemNaziBitch

The weather is gnarly in my part of the world.

Hailing/storming/tornado spottings.

Midwest Lizards stay safe!

Make sure to hunker, whatever that is, use your head and best of luck. Scary.

88 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 9:42:35am

re: #86 FemNaziBitch

The weather is gnarly in my part of the world.

Hailing/storming/tornado spottings.

Midwest Lizards stay safe!

What no sharks?

89 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 9:43:49am

The weather is changing in Philly too. Image: noaa.gif

90 Stanley Sea  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 9:44:46am

re: #78 jaunte

Even when you’re an adult, there isn’t much to do. Just got back from visiting the in-laws in Mississippi, just up the road from Tupelo, the Lair of Fischer. For excitement, people park in the middle of the main drag:
Image: newalbany.jpg

If it wasn’t for the current model cars that could be a shot from the 40’s.

91 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 9:46:43am

re: #90 Stanley Sea

If it wasn’t for the current model cars that could be a shot from the 40’s.

New Albany where?

92 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 9:47:28am

re: #88 Iwouldprefernotto

What no sharks?

No Sharks, no javelinas, only Brat Puppy, Princess Dog, Old Man Dog and Cat Overlord.

93 jaunte  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 9:47:31am

re: #91 FemNaziBitch

Northeast Mississippi, between Oxford and Tupelo.

94 jaunte  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 9:47:56am

thestar.com.my

95 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 9:48:28am

re: #81 Tim TeaBro

Careful on Breaking Bad. I’ve watched about 10 minutes of one episode and have purposely not watched any more because I plan to watch the whole series in sequence.

Except this time, I won’t do it in a marathon like I did The Sopranos. I got really weirded out watching too many too fast. It’s good if you take some meat world time in between episodes.

It’s really hard to speedwatch Breaking Bad. It’s an incredibly well done series.

96 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 9:50:29am

Guess the Bears are going to go ahead and play.

97 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 9:52:11am

The amazing olfactory ability of Beagles!

The most loving, stubborn, stupid and godammned cute breed evah!

98 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 9:56:29am

StanleySea, I thought of some more historical fiction you might like.

99 piratedan  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 9:57:30am

re: #98 FemNaziBitch

StanleySea, I thought of some more historical fiction you might like.

you gonna recommend the Flashman books?

100 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 9:57:50am

I lost my cursor on Mac —anyone remember the keystroke I obviously hit by mistake, so I can hit it again to get it back?

101 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 9:58:01am

ah, never mind, I mistakenly hit it again.

102 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 9:58:13am

re: #99 piratedan

you gonna recommend the Flashman books?

NO

103 Stanley Sea  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 9:58:23am

re: #98 FemNaziBitch

StanleySea, I thought of some more historical fiction you might like.

I’m ready (& thanks!)

104 Stanley Sea  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 9:58:56am

re: #98 FemNaziBitch

StanleySea, I thought of some more historical fiction you might like.

And actually I was looking for historical non-fiction. But maybe I’ll branch out?

105 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 9:59:15am

Put bicycle helmets on if a tornado is coming your way. A new one on me. It’s a great idea, but I have this idea of a family of four sitting in their basement closet with helmet’s on staring at each other.

106 jaunte  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:01:09am
107 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:02:46am

re: #72 GeneJockey

The other thing about where I lived? Small rural town, not a goddam thing to do on a Saturday night. Or Friday night. Or, honestly, all summer.

People like to imagine that small town life is idyllic, but it’s boring as all hell when you’re a teenager.

That’s when you supposed to gather all the other bored teenagers… and put on a show!
:p

108 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:05:51am

re: #104 Stanley Sea

And actually I was looking for historical non-fiction. But maybe I’ll branch out?

Ah! I should just give you my audible ID and let you go thru my library. There are so many good one. I like the one about the discovery of antibiotics.

Malala’s book was good—I enjoyed her perspective of Pakistani/Pashtoon history.

Clockwork Universe was interesting as well.

109 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:06:10am

re: #94 jaunte

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thestar.com.my

yikes!
Spouse just left earlier than usual to get back to work this week. He’s trying to get to Cincinnati before the storm gets there.

110 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:07:01am

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

yikes!
Spouse just left earlier than usual to get back to work this week. He’s trying to get to Cincinnati before the storm gets there.

Funny, mine was to go to Cinci as well. I won’t let him go. He can go tomorrow.

111 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:07:12am

re: #104 Stanley Sea

And actually I was looking for historical non-fiction. But maybe I’ll branch out?

Any particular topic? And at what level of detail? I got a couple of bookshelves to work off of in a few areas. :)

112 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:08:14am

re: #110 FemNaziBitch

Funny, mine was to go to Cinci as well. I won’t let him go. He can go tomorrow.

Mine needs to be there before the storm hits because he’s one of the guys who gets the power back on wherever the storm hits.

113 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:08:30am

re: #112 Backwoods_Sleuth

Mine needs to be there before the storm hits because he’s one of the guys who gets the power back on wherever the storm hits.

Ah!

114 GeneJockey  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:08:50am

re: #107 Feline Fearless Leader

That’s when you supposed to gather all the other bored teenagers… and put on a show!
:p

We-e-ell, you got trouble, my friends! Right here in River City!

115 Lidane  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:09:28am

re: #72 GeneJockey

People like to imagine that small town life is idyllic, but it’s boring as all hell when you’re a teenager.

It’s also boring as hell for an adult, too, unless you want to live there to raise your kids or whatever. For a single, childless adult small towns suck. Every time I go see my mom, I either fall into a black hole of bad TV or I binge read or I hope that a friend is in town visiting their family so we can go get dinner and drinks.

116 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:09:31am

This holiday, for the person who has everything.

117 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:09:57am

re: #115 Lidane

It’s also boring as hell for an adult, too, unless you want to live there to raise your kids or whatever. For a single, childless adult small towns suck. Every time I go see my mom, I either fall into a black hole of bad TV or I binge read or I hope that a friend is in town visiting their family so we can go get dinner and drinks.

I’d be in rehab or dead if I lived in a small town.

118 GeneJockey  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:10:08am

re: #98 FemNaziBitch

StanleySea, I thought of some more historical fiction you might like.

Is starting a fire with a bowdrill historical friction?

119 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:11:49am

not a tornado, but winds like this can damage…

120 GeneJockey  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:13:11am

re: #117 FemNaziBitch

I’d be in rehab or dead if I lived in a small town.

Whenever I go home to visit Dad, I think, “It’s a nice place to visit, but I wouldn’t want to live there!”

Interestingly, my parents both grew up in Pittsburgh, but lived almost all their adult lives in a small town, and really liked it. I grew up in that small town, and can’t stand the thought. Maybe when I retire and don’t want to do anything, the fact that there’s nothing to do won’t be an issue.

121 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:16:13am

re: #120 GeneJockey

Whenever I go home to visit Dad, I think, “It’s a nice place to visit, but I wouldn’t want to live there!”

Interestingly, my parents both grew up in Pittsburgh, but lived almost all their adult lives in a small town, and really liked it. I grew up in that small town, and can’t stand the thought. Maybe when I retire and don’t want to do anything, the fact that there’s nothing to do won’t be an issue.

I saw that going to school in Pittsburgh after having lived in a small city and a village with nearby industry. I liked Pittsburgh (my parents were living in the eastern suburbs) and ended up living another 25 years there. People I went to school with had been born and raised in Pittsburgh and were dying to get out and supposedly never come back*.

* - I worked in D.C. with people from western PA who worked in D.C./northern VA until they wanted to start families - at which point they moved back to western PA to do so.

122 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:16:36am

I went thru a financial phase.

This helped—A Splendid Exchange.

The History of Money

oooh, The Tiger is a must read for everyone. Reads like a thriller action movie, but really well written. Full of Russian history and tons of other stuff I would otherwise find boring.

123 thedopefishlives  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:16:56am

re: #120 GeneJockey

Whenever I go home to visit Dad, I think, “It’s a nice place to visit, but I wouldn’t want to live there!”

Interestingly, my parents both grew up in Pittsburgh, but lived almost all their adult lives in a small town, and really liked it. I grew up in that small town, and can’t stand the thought. Maybe when I retire and don’t want to do anything, the fact that there’s nothing to do won’t be an issue.

I love being in a small town. I live in town right now, but it is a rural farming community, all German Catholic. It reminds me so much of home, I only wish I could afford to be out just a little farther and not in a subdivision. I miss the country. It may be a boring life, but it is a simple life and well-suited to one of my extreme introverted bent.

124 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:18:16am

re: #123 thedopefishlives

I love being in a small town. I live in town right now, but it is a rural farming community, all German Catholic. It reminds me so much of home, I only wish I could afford to be out just a little farther and not in a subdivision. I miss the country. It may be a boring life, but it is a simple life and well-suited to one of my extreme introverted bent.

My Mom and her family are from a small German Catholic town in Indiana. I think of of it as the town you stay in the night before you start your journey on the River Styx.

126 Stanley Sea  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:22:04am

re: #111 Feline Fearless Leader

Any particular topic? And at what level of detail? I got a couple of bookshelves to work off of in a few areas. :)

I just finished “One Summer - 1927” It was great.

Probably not into too much detail, just finding it interesting to read about the events lost to history.

127 GeneJockey  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:22:44am

re: #73 Decatur Deb

Grits is an end product—there’s a dish where you just eat the bleached corn kernels whole.

Oh, of course! My Mom’s family were from Missouri, so she periodically made Hominy as a starch for dinner. When I say, “made”, obviously I mean “opened a can and heated it.”

BUT, one of my favorite cold-weather stews is Pozole, which I make with either chicken thighs or pork shoulder and red chile powder. 3/4 of the family loves it.

But that’s true of many, many things. Not always the same 3/4, either. Pie? Me, the wife, the older boy. Chicken? Me, the wife, the younger boy. Venison? Me and the two boys. The only one common to all of them is me, but I’ll eat pretty much anything.

Except stinky cheese. Yuck.

128 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:23:21am

Tornado Touchdown in Washington, Illinois Just East of Peoria

Report just in of a call for mutual aid for Washington, Illinois. Emergency services just call for help for their town, “town is leveled” with walking wounded. There is a call for Life Flight out of OSF Saint Francis Medical Center in Peoria, Illinois.

There is also a report of phone lines down. Cell phone communications knocked out.

Map of Washington, Illinois about 110 miles southwest of Aurora.

Cell phone communications knocked out.

DEVELOPING …

129 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:25:25am

re: #123 thedopefishlives

I love being in a small town. I live in town right now, but it is a rural farming community, all German Catholic. It reminds me so much of home, I only wish I could afford to be out just a little farther and not in a subdivision. I miss the country. It may be a boring life, but it is a simple life and well-suited to one of my extreme introverted bent.

My brother is out in a rural area with a 9-mile commute to work (which he often does on motorcycle now). 1/2 hour drive to a larger city (or mall/suburbs thereof). He likes the quiet, not having neighbors in site, and ability to enjoy a small pond and the surrounding woods.

I’m in the middle of a large city with a lot more light and noise. But, given this, it is not that hard to live a relatively isolated and private existence - though you still have to deal with people when out and about. And I do have the relative advantage of being able to walk everywhere.

130 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:27:10am
131 thedopefishlives  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:27:25am

re: #129 Feline Fearless Leader

Yeah. For me, I can get many basics at the gas stations here in town, but the nearest grocery store is 10 miles and work is a 37-mile commute. It puts a light strain on our finances, but with my new Malibu, I’ve been doing okay on the fuel front and our budget balances most months.

132 GeneJockey  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:28:00am

re: #121 Feline Fearless Leader

I saw that going to school in Pittsburgh after having lived in a small city and a village with nearby industry. I liked Pittsburgh (my parents were living in the eastern suburbs) and ended up living another 25 years there. People I went to school with had been born and raised in Pittsburgh and were dying to get out and supposedly never come back*.

* - I worked in D.C. with people from western PA who worked in D.C./northern VA until they wanted to start families - at which point they moved back to western PA to do so.

When I was a teenager, all the guys I grew up with would talk endlessly about getting the hell out of there. Almost to a man, they ended up living in the same town they grew up in. “Great place to raise a family”, they’ll tell you, forgetting the dangerous and stupid shit we did because we were so bored.

BTW, when I say “small town”, I mean SMALL. The town I grew up in had a about 600 people. We didn’t have enough kids for a High School, so we combined our town and two others, and all the surrounding countryside, and I STILL had a graduating class of 104 kids, 1/4 of whom I’d been in school with since 1st grade. And I was born in 1957, amid the Baby Boom.

133 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:30:24am
134 Political Atheist  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:30:50am

French Paper Publishes Photo-less Issue to Stress the Importance of Photojournalism

Image: liberationheader1.jpg

135 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:32:01am

Sorry I had to sign off for a bit, but the weather here in Chicagoland is fierce and wild today. I had a power flicker and so turned off the PC and sat. receiver until I was sure the power would stay on reliably.

136 Lidane  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:33:53am

re: #117 FemNaziBitch

I’d be in rehab or dead if I lived in a small town.

Pretty much. It’s definitely not a life for me. I actually turned down a recruiter recently because the job I was being offered was in a small town, and the move wasn’t worth it. I’d earn more here and I wouldn’t have to spend money I don’t have to relocate.

re: #120 GeneJockey

Whenever I go home to visit Dad, I think, “It’s a nice place to visit, but I wouldn’t want to live there!”

I go through that every time, like clockwork. Mom would love for me to move back home with her, but I keep having to remind her that all the tech jobs are here, not there.

Also, while I was born in a small town, we moved to Houston when I was 8 and I grew up there. I’m a big city girl at heart. Small towns are nice to visit, but living in one would drive me crazy.

137 thedopefishlives  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:34:04am

re: #132 GeneJockey

When I was a teenager, all the guys I grew up with would talk endlessly about getting the hell out of there. Almost to a man, they ended up living in the same town they grew up in. “Great place to raise a family”, they’ll tell you, forgetting the dangerous and stupid shit we did because we were so bored.

BTW, when I say “small town”, I mean SMALL. The town I grew up in had a about 600 people. We didn’t have enough kids for a High School, so we combined our town and two others, and all the surrounding countryside, and I STILL had a graduating class of 104 kids, 1/4 of whom I’d been in school with since 1st grade. And I was born in 1957, amid the Baby Boom.

Yeah, this sounds pretty much like my town. We lived out in the countryside, it was about 10 miles to the nearest town and that was the stereotypical one-horse town that didn’t even have its own school. If you needed something from a larger town, that was more like 30 miles from where we lived. Everybody always talked about getting the hell out, just like yours, but our graduates got stuck there because they just couldn’t be bothered to put in the effort to leave. It’s a self-perpetuating cycle.

138 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:34:08am

re: #126 Stanley Sea

I just finished “One Summer - 1927” It was great.

Probably not into too much detail, just finding it interesting to read about the events lost to history.

Have you read any of Thomas Cahill’s “Hinges of History” books?


The Hinges of History Series

How the Irish Saved Civilization, Nan A. Talese/Doubleday, 1995
The Gifts of the Jews, Nan A. Talese/Doubleday, 1998
Desire of the Everlasting Hills: The World Before and After Jesus, Nan A. Talese/Doubleday, 1999
Sailing the Wine-Dark Sea: Why the Greeks Matter, Nan A. Talese/Doubleday, 2003
Mysteries of the Middle Ages: The Rise of Feminism, Science, and Art from the Cults of Catholic Europe, Nan A. Talese/Doubleday, 2006; some printings are called Mysteries of the Middle Ages: And the Beginnings of the Modern World
Heretics and Heroes: Ego in the Renaissance and the Reformation (2013)

139 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:35:30am

Child Labor in India:
Youtube Video

140 jaunte  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:39:17am
141 thedopefishlives  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:39:40am

re: #140 jaunte

They shouldn’t worry. There’s never a touchdown in Soldier Field.///

142 b.d.  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:40:12am

re: #141 thedopefishlives

They shouldn’t worry. There’s never a touchdown in Soldier Field.///

Hahahahahaha

143 Lidane  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:40:51am

re: #141 thedopefishlives

They shouldn’t worry. There’s never a touchdown in Soldier Field.///

Youtube Video

144 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:43:44am

re: #141 thedopefishlives

Grrrr….

145 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:45:09am

re: #141 thedopefishlives

They shouldn’t worry. There’s never a touchdown in Soldier Field.///

Youtube Video

146 Stanley Sea  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:45:30am

re: #138 Feline Fearless Leader

Have you read any of Thomas Cahill’s “Hinges of History” books?

The Hinges of History Series

OK, we have a great start here. Saved. :-)

147 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:46:24am

Another author to consider works of is Simon Winchester. I’ve read “The Map That Changed the World” and also the book he wrote on Krakatoa.

en.wikipedia.org

148 Stanley Sea  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:47:10am

re: #147 Feline Fearless Leader

Another author to consider works of is Simon Winchester. I’ve read “The Map That Changed the World” and also the book he wrote on Krakatoa.

en.wikipedia.org

I read Krakatoa. That was EXCELLENT.

149 Snarknado!  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:48:54am

re: #148 Stanley Sea

I read Krakatoa. That was EXCELLENT.

So is A Crack in the Edge of the World

150 Stanley Sea  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:49:26am

My favorite reads (still) were McCourt. I listened to Teacher Man and laughed and laughed and laughed.

151 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:49:59am

And to complete the trifecta, a couple from Mark Kurlansky:

Cod: A Biography of the Fish That Changed the World (1997)
Salt: A World History (2002)

I heard the latter recommended once on NPR as well. :)

Kurlansky has other books as well, but none that I have read, yet.

152 Stanley Sea  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:50:33am

re: #149 Snarknado!

So is A Crack in the Edge of the World

Just looked that one up. Great. Thanks!

153 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:53:31am

re: #150 Stanley Sea

My favorite reads (still) were McCourt. I listened to Teacher Man and laughed and laughed and laughed.

I read _Angela’s Ashes_, knew it was biography, and was reading it and hoping his parents would die due to how badly they were screwing up their own and their children’s lives. Horribly effective writing since I despised myself for wishing harm upon people like that. (Knowing that they were already deceased, but had existed none the same.)

154 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:54:32am

re: #153 Feline Fearless Leader

I read _Angela’s Ashes_, knew it was biography, and was reading it and hoping his parents would die due to how badly they were screwing up their own and their children’s lives. Horribly effective writing since I despised myself for wishing harm upon people like that. (Knowing that they were already deceased, but had existed none the same.)

I started Angela’s Ashes and couldn’t finish it. I’ve avoided the author ever since. Way too depressing for me.

155 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:54:51am
156 Stanley Sea  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:55:03am

re: #153 Feline Fearless Leader

I read _Angela’s Ashes_, knew it was biography, and was reading it and hoping his parents would die due to how badly they were screwing up their own and their children’s lives. Horribly effective writing since I despised myself for wishing harm upon people like that. (Knowing that they were already deceased, but had existed none the same.)

Read ‘Tis and Teacher Man. His life get’s way better.

157 Stanley Sea  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:55:22am

re: #155 FemNaziBitch

Attacus Atlas

ewe

158 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:55:44am

re: #155 FemNaziBitch

Attacus Atlas

That is one massive moth.

159 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:55:46am

I’ve read most of the Simon Winchester and How the Irish Saved Civilization author’s books.

They are definitely worth reading, but not my favorite authors. Maybe I’m just tired of their writing style.

160 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:55:57am

Most of the stuff I am recommending was initally introduced to me by my brother. He finds the interesting non-fiction and passes it on to me. I pass SF* and military history books off to him. Works out pretty well.

* - At this point any Bujold is to be handed over immediately upon me completing it.

161 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:56:38am

re: #156 Stanley Sea

Read ‘Tis and Teacher Man. His life get’s way better.

I’ve read _’Tis_ so I am aware that things improved for him.

162 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:56:42am

Washington, Illinois:

163 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:58:44am

re: #162 Backwoods_Sleuth

Washington, Illinois:

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I can hardly await Fischer and the other assholes blaming this devastation on gay marriage or some other pet scapegoat policy.
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164 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 10:59:07am

This author is extremely talented. I learned so much about NIgerian/Igbo history in the most enjoyable way. Beautifully written story. Made me want to research the non-fiction side of the story.

Even if you don’t want to know the history, read it for the pure joy of the literature.

165 Stanley Sea  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 11:00:08am

re: #162 Backwoods_Sleuth

Washington, Illinois:

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Oh boy.

166 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 11:01:01am

Weather Channel just showed some video from Washington IL.
There is nothing standing except for that water tower.

167 b.d.  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 11:05:02am

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

Weather Channel just showed some video from Washington IL.
There is nothing standing except for that water tower.

CNN is failing again. Time was when they would be all over this with reporters and coverage, all they’ve managed is one guy on the phone watching the Bears game.

168 Stanley Sea  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 11:06:04am
169 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 11:06:30am

re: #163 Feline Fearless Leader

I can hardly await Fischer and the other assholes blaming this devastation on gay marriage or some other pet scapegoat policy.
////

It’s Illinois, so Fischer will blame it on Obama:

“This is God’s punishment for the former Land of Lincoln sending a Communist Muslim to Washington DC and then capitulating to Big Gay!!1

The sad thing is I don’t think that’s a parody. Fischer really might say that.

170 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 11:06:31am

Over in the military history side of things:

US Army in Europe in WW2 - Rick Atkinson
_An Army At Dawn_ (North Africa)
_The Day Of Battle_ (Sicily and Italy)
_The Guns At Last Light_ (Western Europe 44-45)

_The ‘45_ by Christopher Duffy (Jacobite Rebellion and Culloden)

_Bloody Mohawk_ by Richard Berleth (Mohawk River valley in New York during the French and Indian War and the Revolution)

171 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 11:06:34am

European Plague and Science Fiction:

Eifelheim by Michael Flynn —refreshing twist on story writing.

The Doomsday Book by Connie Willis —always an excellent adventure!

Not Sci-Fi: Cathedral By The Sea by Ildefonso Defalcones


WWII and Science-Fiction:

BlackOut and All Clear by Connie Willis —probably the best fiction I’ve read about life during the Blitz

I’ve really enjoyed the Neal Stephenson Baroque Series. He gives a perspective of WWII I have never been exposed to before. Well, there is a whole lot in anything Neal Stephenson writes that I’ve never been exposed to. Probaby why I like him so much.

172 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 11:07:13am

re: #169 Dark_Falcon

It’s Illinois, so Fischer will blame it on Obama:

“This is God’s punishment for the former Land of Lincoln sending a Communist Muslim to Washington DC and then capitulating to Big Gay!!1

The sad thing is I don’t think that’s a parody. Fischer really might say that.

Sadly, I believe you are correct.

173 Amory Blaine  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 11:07:34am

Today’s the first time the storm horns came on here in Milwaukee in a long time.

Another storm…

Walker’s campaign reportedly part of extensive investigation

Gov. Scott Walker’s campaign and more than two dozen conservative groups were recently subpoenaed by a special prosecutor, the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal reported.

Eric O’Keefe, the director of the Wisconsin Club for Growth, told the nation’s most widely known conservative editorial page he received a subpoena in early October. O’Keefe said at least three targets had their homes raided, according to the newspaper on Friday.

The opinion piece said about 30 groups had received subpoenas, including heavy hitters nationally. It named eight of them: Walker’s campaign; the Wisconsin Club for Growth; American Crossroads, a group co-founded by Karl Rove, the former adviser to President George W. Bush; the Republican Governors Association; the Republican Party of Wisconsin; Americans for Prosperity-Wisconsin; Wisconsin Manufacturers & Commerce, the state’s largest business lobbying group; Wisconsin Family Action; and the League of American Voters.

Representatives of the groups could not be reached or declined to comment to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

174 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 11:08:07am

re: #168 Stanley Sea

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The irony being that the man who actually shot and killed JFK hated that right-wing mob to the very core of his being.

175 Lidane  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 11:08:22am

re: #169 Dark_Falcon

It’s Illinois, so Fischer will blame it on Obama:

“This is God’s punishment for the former Land of Lincoln sending a Communist Muslim to Washington DC and then capitulating to Big Gay!!1

The sad thing is I don’t think that’s a parody. Fischer really might say that.

Even if Fischer doesn’t say it, someone else on the nutbar right will.

176 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 11:08:50am

re: #172 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sadly, I believe you are correct.

Because there has to be a moral component to EVERYTHING.

One thing I never really understood before. Thanks to a Lizard who recommened: Debt. A very thought provoking book.

177 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 11:09:19am

re: #171 FemNaziBitch

European Plague and Science Fiction:

Eifelheim by Michael Flynn —refreshing twist on story writing.

The Doomsday Book by Connie Willis —always an excellent adventure!

Not Sci-Fi: Cathedral By The Sea by Ildefonso Defalcones

WWII and Science-Fiction:

BlackOut and All Clear by Connie Willis —probably the best fiction I’ve read about life during the Blitz

I’ve really enjoyed the Neal Stephenson Baroque Series. He gives a perspective of WWII I have never been exposed to before. Well, there is a whole lot in anything Neal Stephenson writes that I’ve never been exposed to. Probaby why I like him so much.

Will also recommend the Connie Willis works. You can almost view _BlackOut_ and _All Clear_ as non-fiction in a SF envelope, it appears to be that deeply researched.

178 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 11:09:49am

re: #173 Amory Blaine

Today’s the first time the storm horns came on here in Milwaukee in a long time.

Another storm…

Walker’s campaign reportedly part of extensive investigation

They’ve been talking investigations for a long time, but there is to date no link between Scott Walker and any legal wrongdoing.

179 Amory Blaine  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 11:10:38am

7 criminal prosecution of his closest allies but hey who’s counting.

180 Stanley Sea  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 11:10:48am

Where’s Hoops? Hopefully too far north.

181 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 11:12:09am

re: #177 Feline Fearless Leader

Will also recommend the Connie Willis works. You can almost view _BlackOut_ and _All Clear_ as non-fiction in a SF envelope, it appears to be that deeply researched.

I’ve heard interviews in which she talks about researching and writing the series. And yes, she leaves no stone unturned. She said she had flow-charts and character movement charts all over the walls of her office—she said towards the end she didn’t know if she was actually going to be able “to pull it off”.

Man, I don’t know how she did it.

I don’t think I could have gotten thru it without the Audio version.
She has analyzed Agatha Christie’s writings to (I think) the cellular level. LOL. It shows.

182 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 11:13:39am

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

They’ve been talking investigations for a long time, but there is to date no link between Scott Walker and any legal wrongdoing.

Yeah, everybody around him’s getting investigated for something, but he was totally clueless that anything illegal was being done by his closest confidants.

Shit, he makes Ford look like a paragon of trustworthiness.

183 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 11:14:58am

re: #181 FemNaziBitch

I’ve heard interviews in which she talks about researching and writing the series. And yes, she leaves no stone unturned. She said she had flow-charts and character movement charts all over the walls of her office—she said towards the end she didn’t know if she was actually going to be able “to pull it off”.

Man, I don’t know how she did it.

She has analyzed Agatha Christie’s writings to (I think) the cellular level. LOL. It shows.

I love the bit where she is researching at the Imperial War Museum and her husband comes across the group of former women auxiliaries who are visiting. So he gets them tea and sits them down while he goes and finds her. (If I recall it correctly.)

184 The War TARDIS  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 11:16:35am

I have people talking about Chicago’s risk because of being in Tornado Alley.

Jeff Masters a few years ago even pointed out that a Tornado in Chicago, because of the high population density, would have the potential to topple the 1900 Galveston Hurricane as the Deadliest Natural Disaster in US History.

185 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 11:16:40am

I’ve been posting about this author the last few days. I really like his style.

This last series I’ve started (I’m on book 2 —Molly Fide is more YA, but a good story. He begins book two with a birth scene that was so well written I started crying. I cried at a YA Sci-FI novel.

He has good insights and communicates them well.

186 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 11:17:31am

re: #183 Feline Fearless Leader

I love the bit where she is researching at the Imperial War Museum and her husband comes across the group of former women auxiliaries who are visiting. So he gets them tea and sits them down while he goes and finds her. (If I recall it correctly.)

I know! I can just picture these British Grandma’s sitting at the Museum Cafe Table chatting about THE WAR. And Willis writes so clearly about the same sort of characters in the books.

187 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 11:20:25am

re: #184 The War TARDIS

I have people talking about Chicago’s risk because of being in Tornado Alley.

Jeff Masters a few years ago even pointed out that a Tornado in Chicago, because of the high population density, would have the potential to topple the 1900 Galveston Hurricane as the Deadliest Natural Disaster in US History.

So far that has not happened, in part due the difficulty in forming a powerful tornado so close to Lake Michigan.

188 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 11:21:44am

re: #187 Dark_Falcon

So far that has not happened, in part due the difficulty in forming a powerful tornado so close to Lake Michigan.

We do have “Tornado Alley” tho. Hit pretty bad back in the early 1990’s, IIRC.

189 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 11:25:58am

BBL

190 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 11:26:06am

For just plain beautiful writing—ANYTHING by Carlos Ruiz Zafon

The Shadow of the Wind series A MUST listen in the audio version. Unbelievable productions.

The Gargoyle is a strange story, but just flawlessly written. I wish there were more by this author.

191 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 17, 2013 11:42:28am

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