Two Young, Gun-Wielding Mothers Appear Side-by-Side on Twitter

Fanaticism, dressed in similar symbols, but in different contexts
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Holly Fisher, aka “Holly Hobby Lobby,” thought she was being pretty clever tweeting her super-patriotic selfie this week.

There she is, standing in front of a huge American flag, with a huge Bible in her left arm, and a serious looking assault rifle in her right. Take that, librulz!

Holly Fisher aka Holly Hobby Lobby

But the law of unintended consequences caught up with her.

Holly Fisher, a conservative Christian, has been getting insane amounts of attention recently by trolling liberals on social media over the Supreme Court’s Hobby Lobby decision. Unfortunately, she tried to up the ante one too many times and now she has unintentionally become the living symbol of how fundamentalism, no matter in what religion, looks disturbingly similar.

More: - Woman’s Attempt to Troll Liberals Backfires When Someone Notices This Disturbing Similarity

Holly’s imagery and pose were very similar to a photo of another young woman, standing in front of an Islamic flag, holding the Quran in her left hand and an assault rifle in her right. Rather than looking merely sweet, this woman looks defiant.

Predictably. someone Photoshopped the two images side-by-side and tweeted the result. Take that, conservatives!

American patriot on the left, Palestinian suicide bomber on the right

So, who is the woman on the right? She’s not a liberal plant, and the photo was not staged to tweak Holly Fisher.

The woman on the right was Reem Riyashi. Like Holly Fisher, she has children. Unlike Holly Fisher, Riyashi was a suicide bomber. She killed herself and four Israelis on January 14, 2004, in Gaza City. She was 22. en.wikipedia.org

Her photographs are archived at Getty Images.

(Some sources have misidentified her as Samantha Lewthwaite, “the White Widow,” who’s been implicated in terror attacks in Kenya and elsewhere. Apparently, The Daily Mail mistakenly used Riyashi’s photo to illustrate an article about Lewthwaite. A sharp commenter at PZ Myers’ blog, Pharyngula, caught the error.)

Two young mothers in similar poses, with similar symbols, but in different contexts.

One is a patriot who probably attends church every week and likes to shoot guns as a hobby. The other was a patriot who probably worshiped at her mosque every week and shot guns as part of her combat training. One is alive, enjoying her freedom to tweak “librulz” with ineffective selfies. The other is dead and a murderer, because she believed her patriotism and her religion were more important than life itself.

Fanaticism is dangerous. It’s the cause for a lot of the grief in this world, and for the political stalemates in the USA. Instead of celebrating it, we ought to be backing away from it.

Holly Hobby Lobby ought to take time to reflect what message she really wants to send out into the Twitterverse.

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131 comments

1 Mike R  Jul 7, 2014 7:47:31am

Sure extremism is bad, but by golly Holly is a good christian with a gun so there you go. Big difference right? Holly would never force her religious beliefs on someone because… oh shit never mind guess it doesn’t matter which side slaps you in the face and says do it my way or I will gun you down, there really may not be a lot of difference. As those like Holly seem to say freedom for me means I get to tell you how to live and you can just suck on it. Some days it is hard to stay positive.

2 Tigger2  Jul 7, 2014 8:37:40am

The way I see it both of them are trying to force their own form of Sharia law on people by the threat of force and in the name of their country, Of the two ladies pictured as far as I’m concerned one is no better than the other.

3 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 7, 2014 10:08:41am

Here’s a wingnut who probably thought he was Tweeting a different pic (I checked and it doesn’t seem to be a parody account)

4 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 7, 2014 10:09:17am

The fanbois at Holly’s twitter page are a special breed of ignorant enabler.

5 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 7, 2014 10:13:14am

re: #3 Pie-onist Overlord

Here’s a wingnut who probably thought he was Tweeting a different pic (I checked and it doesn’t seem to be a parody account)

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Which one is Holly?
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6 FortyDeuce  Jul 7, 2014 10:48:02am

I love the one tweet trying to show the differences between the two photos. I also love how she’s trying to defend herself. Just own up to taking a picture that is highly reminiscent of one a terrorist suicide bomber took. One would think that this would set off a light bulb in a person’s head.

7 Romantic Heretic  Jul 7, 2014 10:54:41am

Over at Facebook someone commented, “The one of the left represents freedom. The one on the right represents terrorism.”

To which I replied, “Of course they do.” I’m sure my “Please stop talking and let the adults discuss this” tone got through to him.

8 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jul 7, 2014 10:56:56am

both subscribe to Might Makes Right, and that is the most important similarity.

9 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 7, 2014 11:00:26am

re: #6 FortyDeuce

welcome, hatchling!

10 Dr. Matt  Jul 7, 2014 11:11:26am

Big book, big gun, small brains…..conservativism at large.

11 Testy Toad T  Jul 7, 2014 11:11:38am

As is often the case, groups that truly, viscerally hate each other the most vehemently are usually those with the smallest difference between them.

12 lawhawk  Jul 7, 2014 11:16:46am
Bele: It is obvious to the most simpleminded that Lokai is of an inferior breed.
Mr. Spock: The obvious visual evidence, Commissioner, is that he is of the same breed as yourself.
Bele: Are you blind, Commander Spock? Well, look at me. Look at me!
Captain James T. Kirk: You are black on one side and white on the other.
Bele: I am black on the right side!

Let That Be Your Last Battlefield

13 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 7, 2014 11:17:36am

This is the stupidest meme I have seen all day:

14 jaunte  Jul 7, 2014 11:18:13am

Meabwhile, from today’s “Fox Insider” email:

Neace received a code of ethics violation in March of 2011. It claims that in addition to several customers complaining about her telling them to ‘Have a blessed day,’ Neace also asked a customer quote “Did you just take the Lord’s name in vain?” and then proceeded to talk to him about salvation.
whnt.com

Now we’re going to have a discussion about whether employers can fire employees who express their religious freedom by harassing the customers.

15 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 7, 2014 11:18:21am
16 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 7, 2014 11:18:57am

Let me guess: The nut jobs are saying Hollys picture is ok because she has the right book in her hand?

As a Christian, I don’t like the imagery. I prefer my spirituality to be non militaristic.

17 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 7, 2014 11:21:02am

I don’t deny or hide my Christian faith at work but I certainly don’t pester others with it either.

18 lawhawk  Jul 7, 2014 11:21:16am
19 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 7, 2014 11:21:27am

re: #16 Eclectic Cyborg

Let me guess: The nut jobs are saying Hollys picture is ok because she has the right book in her hand?

As a Christian, I don’t like the imagery. I prefer my spirituality to be non militaristic.

Holly said she WANTED to MAKE LIBRUL HEADS EXPLODE!!!! and Reem actually did MAKE HEADS EXPLODE!!!!

20 Kragar  Jul 7, 2014 11:22:20am

re: #13 Pie-onist Overlord

This is the stupidest meme I have seen all day:

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re: #13 Pie-onist Overlord

21 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 7, 2014 11:23:37am

re: #18 lawhawk

Well, there’s a long, long, long list of militaristic Christian imagery, courtesy of the Crusader period.

Yeah…I really…that whole thing was just messed up.

22 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 7, 2014 11:24:44am

Do you think we’ll ever see a conservative suicide bomber attack in this country?

23 lawhawk  Jul 7, 2014 11:25:18am

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

JPost is reporting that the IDF is calling up 1,500 reservists, which suggests that Netenyahu may be weighing further military action beyond airstrikes and some counter battery fire.

24 Mattand  Jul 7, 2014 11:25:22am

OT: you know the Bush Sr. appointed judge who told the SCOTUS to STFU about religion and women’s health? Here’s a sampling of some of the intelligentsia commenting over there:

aside from the fact that the u.s. constitution grants no one and no thing the power to require one person to pay for another person’s recreational drugs (and that is what artificial contraceptives are), the application of the law by the executive branch was rightly smacked down.

Spelling appears as it did in the original.

There’s some Grade A conservative crazy going in Judge Kopf’s comments right now.

If the GOP gets control of this country again, we’re done. This level of stupid cannot be trusted to run a lemonade stand, let alone a country with nukes.

25 Mattand  Jul 7, 2014 11:27:19am

re: #22 Eclectic Cyborg

Do you think we’ll ever see a conservative suicide bomber attack in this country?

Yup. Most likely it will be a Southern women’s health center.

26 wrenchwench  Jul 7, 2014 11:28:08am

re: #25 Mattand

Yup. Most likely it will be a Southern women’s health center.

Now I get it! That’s why they are closing them for safety reasons!

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27 J A P  Jul 7, 2014 11:28:27am

re: #8 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Actually, I would have said both represent a form of tribalism. Some of us see no difference between the two and other people see a huge difference. For those who see a huge difference, they see one as a member of their tribe and another from a competing tribe.

28 Testy Toad T  Jul 7, 2014 11:28:53am

re: #22 Eclectic Cyborg

Do you think we’ll ever see a conservative suicide bomber attack in this country?

I’m surprised we haven’t already. There but for a few words in one holy book or another go we…

29 Justanotherhuman  Jul 7, 2014 11:29:22am

Holly, clinging to her Bible, gun and (almost) wrapped in the American flag.

Not any different than Reem Riyashi.

Who saw this better than the candidate Barack Obama? Yet he was vilified for this remark which was described by The Guardian as “loose language”: “They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

theguardian.com

Describing the right wing very succinctly and correctly. Mayhill Fowler, an alleged Obama supporter who reported it? Still bitter: twitter.com

30 Kragar  Jul 7, 2014 11:29:49am

re: #22 Eclectic Cyborg

Do you think we’ll ever see a conservative suicide bomber attack in this country?

When its so much easier for them to simply buy guns and go out guns a blazing?

31 CriticalDragon1177  Jul 7, 2014 11:30:19am

re: #3 Pie-onist Overlord

Here’s a wingnut who probably thought he was Tweeting a different pic (I checked and it doesn’t seem to be a parody account)


Its both amazing, disturbing and in some ways unsurprising. He fails to see the unpleasant similarity, only because he doesn’t want to.

32 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 7, 2014 11:30:21am

re: #22 Eclectic Cyborg

Do you think we’ll ever see a conservative suicide bomber attack in this country?

Oklahoma City.

33 wrenchwench  Jul 7, 2014 11:31:28am

re: #32 Pie-onist Overlord

Oklahoma City.

The suicide part failed.

34 Mattand  Jul 7, 2014 11:33:11am

re: #28 Testy Toad T

I’m surprised we haven’t already. There but for a few words in one holy book or another go we…

That’s what’s so irritating about the likes of Bill Maher when expounding on Islam. He pulls that whole stopping-just-short of the “I’m not saying being Muslim makes you prone to suicide bombing; I’m just saying it does” bullshit.

You look at how a good chunk of the Republican party has gone over the edge since a black Democrat got elected POTUS, and wonder how we haven’t seen someone go Tim McVeigh-meets-Hezbollah.

35 Bubblehead II  Jul 7, 2014 11:33:25am

re: #32 Pie-onist Overlord

Oklahoma City.

Timmy boy didn’t die by his own hand. He got the needle courtesy of the Fed

36 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 7, 2014 11:34:11am

re: #33 wrenchwench

The suicide part failed.

Not if you consider Suicide By State.

37 S'latch  Jul 7, 2014 11:35:50am

Poor Holly Fisher. I wonder how she’s feeling today.

38 Kragar  Jul 7, 2014 11:36:20am

Creating an effective bomb takes a certain amount of technical knowledge.

Buying a firearm and ammo and walking into a public location is more cost effective for wingnuts

39 J A P  Jul 7, 2014 11:36:51am

re: #14 jaunte

When I was young, I did a lot of jobs that involved directly serving customers, including briefly bank teller. It wasn’t the case with bank teller, but for some of them, you had a fairly exact script. On one job, which involved taking orders for theater tickets over the phone and therefore dealt with a lot of visitors, we were told to never make any recommendations for restaurants or anything else although people frequently asked. We were supposed to be representing the company. That’s what you’re getting paid for. There’s all sorts of things you can’t do while you’re getting paid to work. Prostyletize on your own time.

40 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 7, 2014 11:37:34am

re: #35 Bubblehead II

Timmy boy didn’t die by his own hand. He got the needle courtesy of the Fed

Because he though he was setting off the New Revolution and wanted to keep on fighting in it. Like usual though, no even the nuts were interested.

41 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 7, 2014 11:39:48am
42 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 7, 2014 11:42:13am

My daughter lives in Jerusalem.

43 J A P  Jul 7, 2014 11:42:57am

re: #28 Testy Toad T

Well, those two people who shot the police officers in Nevada last month come pretty close. They killed people with guns, not bombs, but I can’t see any real difference between a suicide gun attack and a suicide bomb attack.

44 Charles Johnson  Jul 7, 2014 11:43:45am

Note that both of these women have poor trigger discipline as well.

45 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 7, 2014 11:44:47am

TEH STUPID.
Wingnuts, listen up: Demanding that Birth Control be INCLUDED in health insurance policies that PREMIUMS are ALREADY paid for, is not DEMANDING FREE STUFF from “government” or anyone else.
*FLIPS DESK*

46 Testy Toad T  Jul 7, 2014 11:45:19am

re: #43 J A P

Well, those two people who shot the police officers in Nevada last month come pretty close. They killed people with guns, not bombs, but I can’t see any real difference between a suicide gun attack and a suicide bomb attack.

Just a technicality. If you didn’t actually pull the trigger at your own head, Skydad doesn’t get all bitchy about suicide or something.

47 jaunte  Jul 7, 2014 11:47:17am

re: #45 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts, listen up: Demanding that Birth Control be INCLUDED in health insurance policies that PREMIUMS are ALREADY paid for, is not DEMANDING FREE STUFF from “government” or anyone else.

They’ll never accept the truth of that statement. If that veil is taken away all that’s left is their naked misogyny.

48 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 7, 2014 11:48:00am

re: #47 jaunte

They’ll never accept the truth of that statement. If that veil is taken away all that’s left is their naked misogyny.

AND MOAR STUPID

49 S'latch  Jul 7, 2014 11:49:07am

Is Holly Fisher, aka “Holly Hobby Lobby,” basically mocking the female employees of Hobby Lobby whose health insurance won’t cover their contraceptive care because of the religious objections of their employer?

If so, that’s really just very heartless and rude.

50 lawhawk  Jul 7, 2014 11:49:08am

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

The MDA alert is probably related to protests/riots that the Israeli government is expecting/underway and not the result of a rocket/mortar fire against Jerusalem.

Thus far, Hamas has not shown itself to be capable of firing rockets/missiles with that kind of range. The majority of projectiles fired by Hamas are kassams, with a sprinkling of grads, neither of which have the range. They could do damage to places like Ashdod, Ashkelon, Sderot, and other areas close in to Gaza.

They’d sooner hit Tel Aviv than Jerusalem though; Hamas rockets and missiles are essentially unguided, so they’d need a lot of luck to hit whatever they’re aiming at.

Firing at Jerusalem could result in hitting the Dome of the Rock just as surely as it could hit the Knesset.

It’d be a different story if Hamas was operating in the West Bank with those rocket/mortar launchers though.

51 jaunte  Jul 7, 2014 11:50:16am
52 b_sharp  Jul 7, 2014 11:50:51am

re: #20 Kragar

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I thought most oil used in the US comes from the US and Canada.

53 wrenchwench  Jul 7, 2014 11:51:26am

re: #51 jaunte

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Why single out single women?

54 jaunte  Jul 7, 2014 11:51:33am
55 jaunte  Jul 7, 2014 11:51:49am

re: #53 wrenchwench

He’s a moron.

56 Testy Toad T  Jul 7, 2014 11:52:09am

re: #51 jaunte

@NolteNC
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Single women are falling apart because Christians can’t be forced by the government to pay for their birth control and abortions. Weak.

Note that in Nolte’s sick fucking fantasyland, only single women have any interest in not pumping out crotchfruit faster than God’s little fantasy angle storks can carry them.

Married? Shut up wench, you’ve got babies to carry.

57 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 7, 2014 11:52:22am

re: #53 wrenchwench

Why single out single women?

And what about all those single men?
Oh, wait…that’s just boys will be boys sowing their wild oats…

58 BadExampleMan  Jul 7, 2014 11:52:35am

I remain not-100%-unconvinced that Holly is a Poe. She really is just too perfect of an idiot. And that pose is almost as if she were consciously imitating the late Ms. Riyashi.

John Nolte, on the other hand, is a fucking idiot and no question about it.

59 Kragar  Jul 7, 2014 11:52:40am
60 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 7, 2014 11:53:03am

Meanwhile Sandra Fluke is catching all kinds of shit from wingnuts over this:

The “wage theft” Sandra is referring to is ACTUAL WAGE THEFT described in the Bible, withholding worker’s pay, a common Walmart practice. Wingnuts don’t have a fuck about that, they only care about HURR HURR INCOME TAXES!!!!!!

Zedushka finally got around to doing our taxes, we owe about $2000. :(

61 wrenchwench  Jul 7, 2014 11:53:09am

re: #55 jaunte

He’s a moron.

I had to type that here to resist responding on Twitter. If I don’t have him blocked, I should.

62 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 7, 2014 11:53:39am

re: #53 wrenchwench

Why single out single women?

BECAUSE TEH SLUTZ SHOULDN’T BE HAVING TEH SEXYTIMES WHEN THEIR NOT MARRIED!!!1!!!!!

63 jaunte  Jul 7, 2014 11:54:26am

re: #62 Pie-onist Overlord

Viagra prescriptions only for married men.
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64 Justanotherhuman  Jul 7, 2014 11:55:15am

Very small crowd today…meanwhile,

Los Angeles announces it will no longer honor requests from federal immigration officials to detain undocumented immigrants for possible deportation without either a court order or arrest warrant, citing constitutional concerns raised by recent court decisions - @NBCNews
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65 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 7, 2014 11:56:21am

If you believe you must regulate America’s vaginas but not the carbon output of industries #YouMightBeAFreakingIdiot

66 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 7, 2014 11:56:30am

re: #64 Justanotherhuman

I wanna see those protesters waving their flags and misspelled signs on that airport runway to block that plane!
/half

67 S'latch  Jul 7, 2014 11:58:19am

I guess Holly Fisher, aka “Holly Hobby Lobby,” is proud her country supports the denial of contraceptive care and stands up for slut shaming! That’s something to wave your flag, gun, and bible about!

68 BadExampleMan  Jul 7, 2014 11:58:45am

re: #63 jaunte

Viagra prescriptions only for married men.
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After extensive counseling and a mandatory prostate examination.

69 wrenchwench  Jul 7, 2014 12:00:01pm

re: #64 Justanotherhuman

Very small crowd today…meanwhile,

Los Angeles announces it will no longer honor requests from federal immigration officials to detain undocumented immigrants for possible deportation without either a court order or arrest warrant, citing constitutional concerns raised by recent court decisions - @NBCNews
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Note: That’s the LAPD saying they will no longer detain without a warrant, and it is unrelated to the folks headed to Murrieta (and elsewhere) for processing.

70 Testy Toad T  Jul 7, 2014 12:00:44pm

re: #67 S’latch

I guess Holly Fisher, aka “Holly Hobby Lobby,” is proud her country supports the denial of contraceptive care and stands up for slut shaming! That’s something to wave your flag, gun, and bible about!

If we want to be honest, slut shaming is a pretty legitimate reason to wave around large portions of the bible.

71 Teukka  Jul 7, 2014 12:01:48pm

re: #60 Pie-onist Overlord

Meanwhile Sandra Fluke is catching all kinds of shit from wingnuts over this:

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The “wage theft” Sandra is referring to is ACTUAL WAGE THEFT described in the Bible, withholding worker’s pay, a common Walmart practice. Wingnuts don’t have a fuck about that, they only care about HURR HURR INCOME TAXES!!!!!!

Zedushka finally got around to doing our taxes, we owe about $2000. :(

It’s not only the United States which is seeing the wage theft problem, it is becoming increasingly common in Sweden as well.

Basically, what happens is that an employer comes up with excuse after excuse not to pay the worker his or her wages (to varying degrees).
This has as a result that the worker has to go on welfare to survive. Welfare which has to be paid back once he or she gets her wage.
Because the government policy is to incentivise people to work, the regulations regarding welfare have been tightened under the conservative-led alliance admin here.
This means that the worker will not get any help from the welfare agency to pay for a lawyer to argue his or her wage case in court.
But the worker can’t quit from the wage-thieving employer either, as that is, per the welfare regulation, refusing to work, which means the worker loses eligibility for welfare and has to pay back every penny of the welfare.

Unions here are swamped with wage-theft cases, but the crime is not prioritized by police.

72 Kragar  Jul 7, 2014 12:04:49pm
73 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 7, 2014 12:07:15pm

re: #72 Kragar

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To be fair, that originated over at HuffPo, where the PS at the end indicated it wasn’t really true.
Still, Mrs. Palin is desperate for any relevance these days.

74 Varek Raith  Jul 7, 2014 12:07:46pm

Good afternoon.

75 Justanotherhuman  Jul 7, 2014 12:08:42pm

re: #67 S’latch

I guess Holly Fisher, aka “Holly Hobby Lobby,” is proud her country supports the denial of contraceptive care and stands up for slut shaming! That’s something to wave your flag, gun, and bible about!

Temptress! If she wasn’t a slut herself, she wouldn’t be showing the tops of her tits and bare arms, and would have on something not so tight that covered everything up to her neck, including long sleeve. Her bare skin next to the Holy Book! Shame! I’ll bet she dances and wears pants, too! /////

76 Justanotherhuman  Jul 7, 2014 12:09:08pm

re: #69 wrenchwench

Note: That’s the LAPD saying they will no longer detain without a warrant, and it is unrelated to the folks headed to Murrieta (and elsewhere) for processing.

Yes, I understand that.

77 Killgore Trout  Jul 7, 2014 12:09:11pm

re: #64 Justanotherhuman

Very small crowd today…meanwhile,

Los Angeles announces it will no longer honor requests from federal immigration officials to detain undocumented immigrants for possible deportation without either a court order or arrest warrant, citing constitutional concerns raised by recent court decisions - @NBCNews
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What a mess
LAPD to Halt Detention of Undocumented Immigrants at Request of ICE

The decision by the LAPD follows similar moves by local governments, including Philadelphia, Cook County, Ill., Newark, N.J., and other areas in California to limit or end their cooperation with federal immigration enforcement.

Our broken immigration system is getting broker.

78 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 7, 2014 12:12:52pm
79 Mike Lamb  Jul 7, 2014 12:13:00pm

re: #65 Pie-onist Overlord

If you believe you must regulate America’s vaginas but not the carbon output of industries #YouMightBeAFreakingIdiot

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Can she cite any liberal that thinks there should be open borders and no regulations?

80 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 7, 2014 12:13:44pm

HURR HURR U LIBTARD U CAN’T USE TEH LOGICS!!!!!!
The problem is that real logic is not the same as wingnut logic.

81 wrenchwench  Jul 7, 2014 12:14:36pm

re: #77 Killgore Trout

What a mess
LAPD to Halt Detention of Undocumented Immigrants at Request of ICE

Our broken immigration system is getting broker.

Those governments are refusing to participate in one of the broken parts, a necessary step to it getting fixed.

82 wrenchwench  Jul 7, 2014 12:15:55pm

Dark, what’s wrong with the post at the top? And how’s your leg?

83 Decatur Deb  Jul 7, 2014 12:20:16pm

re: #54 jaunte

I really shouldn’t have to interact with my employer about my healthcare in any way ever. They have my labor. My body is mine.

Unintentionally, the USSC has just moved us a big step closer to single payer.

84 GunstarGreen  Jul 7, 2014 12:22:29pm

It turns out that Fascism looks remarkably similar no matter which corner of the world it’s practiced in.

Wrapped in a flag, carrying a cross, etc.

85 wrenchwench  Jul 7, 2014 12:24:33pm
86 Tigger2  Jul 7, 2014 12:24:33pm

re: #35 Bubblehead II

Timmy boy didn’t die by his own hand. He got the needle courtesy of the Fed

He got the needle about 4 miles from my house.

87 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 7, 2014 12:24:50pm

re: #3 Pie-onist Overlord

Here’s a wingnut who probably thought he was Tweeting a different pic (I checked and it doesn’t seem to be a parody account)

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Biggest difference…. Cleavage. Holly is showing some. Other than that, not too much.

RBS

88 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 7, 2014 12:24:59pm

I think every wingnut has this fantasy of being a sweatshop owner, have absolute power over employees, pay them shit, and say IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT HERE GO SOMEWHERE ELSE!!! when everywhere else is run by other wingnuts who offer the same or worse working conditions: CAPTAINS OF INDUSTRY!!! PRODUCERS!!! MAKERS!!! and their work force is just MOOCHERS!!!! LAZY TAKERS!!!! PARASITES!!!!!

89 Gus  Jul 7, 2014 12:26:07pm

90 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 7, 2014 12:27:20pm

re: #89 Gus

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Is that an actual screen grab or a Photoshop?

91 Decatur Deb  Jul 7, 2014 12:27:27pm

re: #89 Gus

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Shouldn’t have to ask…

92 GunstarGreen  Jul 7, 2014 12:29:16pm

re: #89 Gus

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Is this supposed to be a screencap of an on-air graphic?

93 Gus  Jul 7, 2014 12:29:23pm

re: #90 Pie-onist Overlord

Is that an actual screen grab or a Photoshop?

Photochop.

94 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 7, 2014 12:29:57pm

re: #93 Gus

Photochop.

Thanks for that, I realized it was you. :)

96 Tigger2  Jul 7, 2014 12:37:26pm

Were having one hell of a freakish lighting storm in central Indiana.

97 Gus  Jul 7, 2014 12:37:56pm

re: #95 Pie-onist Overlord

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98 Tigger2  Jul 7, 2014 12:38:48pm

re: #64 Justanotherhuman

Very small crowd today…meanwhile,

Los Angeles announces it will no longer honor requests from federal immigration officials to detain undocumented immigrants for possible deportation without either a court order or arrest warrant, citing constitutional concerns raised by recent court decisions - @NBCNews
End of alert

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I see not as many bigots showed up at this one.

99 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 7, 2014 12:42:33pm

re: #98 Tigger2

I see not as many bigots showed up at this one.

holiday weekend is over.

100 Tigger2  Jul 7, 2014 12:44:01pm

re: #99 Backwoods_Sleuth

holiday weekend is over.

Yep, and maybe all the bad press they got the last time didn’t help their cause.

101 Jack Burton  Jul 7, 2014 12:44:28pm

re: #97 Gus

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It’s almost…. cute when another wingnut discovers this and posts it as if we haven’t seen and debunked it a thousand times already.

102 b_sharp  Jul 7, 2014 12:44:28pm

re: #100 Tigger2

Yep, and maybe all the bad press they got the last time didn’t help their cause.

What cause?

103 Justanotherhuman  Jul 7, 2014 12:45:41pm

More fallout from the Snowden thefts. Is this real damage, or just hype, if the Germany employee of the BND only offered “contact details”?

Exclusive: CIA had role in Germany spy affair

reuters.com

“German politicians have said that the suspect, an employee of the country’s foreign intelligence service, admitted passing to an American contact details concerning a German parliamentary committee’s investigation of alleged U.S. eavesdropping disclosed by Edward Snowden, a former contractor for the U.S. National Security Agency.

“The U.S. officials who confirmed the CIA’s role spoke on condition of anonymity, and offered no further details.

(snip)

“Snowden’s revelations last year, which included evidence that the NSA was targeting German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s personal cell phone, frosted U.S.-German relations. The White House agreed to stop targeting Merkel, but rejected Berlin’s pleas for a wider “no spy” pact.” More

104 Tigger2  Jul 7, 2014 12:46:00pm

re: #102 b_sharp

What cause?

Their cause of being bigots.

105 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 7, 2014 12:46:12pm

re: #101 Jack Burton

It’s almost…. cute when another wingnut discovers this and posts it as if we haven’t seen and debunked it a thousand times already.

naw… THIS is cute:

Army of darkness

106 Dark_Falcon  Jul 7, 2014 12:49:23pm

I’m going to say this then clear off, so those who want to down-ding may do so, but to me it remains a fact that Holly Fisher has not killed or tried to kill anyone. And that sets her wholly apart from that terrorist Reem Riyashi. Comparing the two is moral confusion. Speaking out in support of of an organization you approve of that is not planning to kill others is light-years away from blowing yourself up to kill as many of the ‘enemy’ as possible.

107 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 7, 2014 12:50:28pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

You don’t understand the comparison that’s being made. It’s about the image they’re presenting, not what they’ve actually done.

108 Decatur Deb  Jul 7, 2014 12:51:44pm

re: #107 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

You don’t understand the comparison that’s being made. It’s about the image they’re presenting, not what they’ve actually done.

And the similarities are so striking that skeptics are proposing that HHL is a troll.

109 wrenchwench  Jul 7, 2014 12:51:46pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

I’m going to say this then clear off, so those who want to down-ding may do so, but to me it remains a fact that Holly Fisher has not killed or tried to kill anyone. And that sets her wholly apart from that terrorist Reem Riyashi. Comparing the two is moral confusion. Speaking out in support of of an organization you approve of that is not planning to kill others is light-years away from blowing yourself up to kill as many of the ‘enemy’ as possible.

Don’t forget that women really do die as a result of the kind of politics being pushed by Holly Fisher.

110 wrenchwench  Jul 7, 2014 12:52:16pm

And I hope your leg is better.

111 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 7, 2014 12:54:55pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

Frankly DF, the level of brainwashing is similar. Just because she’s trained to be a “good wife” rather than explicitly committing murder does not change that both are pushing an extremist world view with very similar iconography and very similar goals for women’s lives.

Fundamentalism is a poison that kills the soul of everything it touches. Both of these women are victims of fundamentalism and both will make further victims - one by killing them one by trying to make others believe in the same sickness she has.

112 Tigger2  Jul 7, 2014 12:56:09pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

I’m going to say this then clear off, so those who want to down-ding may do so, but to me it remains a fact that Holly Fisher has not killed or tried to kill anyone. And that sets her wholly apart from that terrorist Reem Riyashi. Comparing the two is moral confusion. Speaking out in support of of an organization you approve of that is not planning to kill others is light-years away from blowing yourself up to kill as many of the ‘enemy’ as possible.

What I see is both of them holding their religious books and a gun trying to force their will on other people.

113 ObserverArt  Jul 7, 2014 1:00:09pm

re: #6 FortyDeuce

I love the one tweet trying to show the differences between the two photos. I also love how she’s trying to defend herself. Just own up to taking a picture that is highly reminiscent of one a terrorist suicide bomber took. One would think that this would set off a light bulb in a person’s head.

Not enough wattage to light that bulb.

114 Justanotherhuman  Jul 7, 2014 1:07:54pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

I’m going to say this then clear off, so those who want to down-ding may do so, but to me it remains a fact that Holly Fisher has not killed or tried to kill anyone. And that sets her wholly apart from that terrorist Reem Riyashi. Comparing the two is moral confusion. Speaking out in support of of an organization you approve of that is not planning to kill others is light-years away from blowing yourself up to kill as many of the ‘enemy’ as possible.

It’s not “moral confusion” to say that the kind of policies inherent in the image that HLL presents have lead to death in the past, the present and would in the future. Whether one person at a time or more, it’s the same effect over time, as a suicide bomber.

115 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 7, 2014 1:43:14pm

This photo is all over Free Republic in many topics, especially when asking for “donations”.

116 J A P  Jul 7, 2014 1:53:36pm

re: #115 GlutenFreeJesus

If I had seen that photo without any context, I would have assumed that the person who made it an captioned it had meant it sarcastically.

117 missliberties  Jul 7, 2014 2:37:33pm

re: #101 Jack Burton

It’s almost…. cute when another wingnut discovers this and posts it as if we haven’t seen and debunked it a thousand times already.

Someone should e-mail this graphic to Chuck Todd, so he can use it as verifiable proof that Obama is abusing his executive authority. Can’t you see it? It’s right there on the graph!

118 missliberties  Jul 7, 2014 2:39:06pm

re: #115 GlutenFreeJesus

[Embedded image]

This photo is all over Free Republic in many topics, especially when asking for “donations”.

Which way is it to the Wild Wild West. Where men were men and women stayed in the kitchen.

119 dog philosopher  Jul 7, 2014 3:47:36pm

re: #115 GlutenFreeJesus

[Embedded image]

This photo is all over Free Republic in many topics, especially when asking for “donations”.

if i combine the flag, some guns, and the bible - will it make capitalism?

120 palomino  Jul 7, 2014 3:49:08pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

I’m going to say this then clear off, so those who want to down-ding may do so, but to me it remains a fact that Holly Fisher has not killed or tried to kill anyone. And that sets her wholly apart from that terrorist Reem Riyashi. Comparing the two is moral confusion. Speaking out in support of of an organization you approve of that is not planning to kill others is light-years away from blowing yourself up to kill as many of the ‘enemy’ as possible.

But when you proudly adopt the exact same iconography as theocratic terrorists, there is a reason to be concerned.

A holy book and a gun. When that’s the basis of your worldview, things don’t usually turn out well. It’s essentially pre-modern, medieval and certainly reactionary in both its style and the content of its message.

121 palomino  Jul 7, 2014 3:52:28pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

I’m going to say this then clear off, so those who want to down-ding may do so, but to me it remains a fact that Holly Fisher has not killed or tried to kill anyone. And that sets her wholly apart from that terrorist Reem Riyashi. Comparing the two is moral confusion. Speaking out in support of of an organization you approve of that is not planning to kill others is light-years away from blowing yourself up to kill as many of the ‘enemy’ as possible.

In other words, you’re gonna drop a turd and then run away before you have to smell the stink. What a profile in courage.

122 sagehen  Jul 7, 2014 4:17:05pm

re: #120 palomino

But when you proudly adopt the exact same iconography as theocratic terrorists, there is a reason to be concerned.

A holy book and a gun. When that’s the basis of your worldview, things don’t usually turn out well. It’s essentially pre-modern, medieval and certainly reactionary in both its style and the content of its message.

If Reem could vote for a party that sent people to the Knesset to pursue her preferred policies… or if Holly couldn’t vote for a party to send people to Congress to pursue her preferred policies…

That’s the difference in who uses violent imagery and who uses actual physical violence.

123 palomino  Jul 7, 2014 4:25:04pm

re: #122 sagehen

If Reem could vote for a party that sent people to the Knesset to pursue her preferred policies… or if Holly couldn’t vote for a party to send people to Congress to pursue her preferred policies…

That’s the difference in who uses violent imagery and who uses actual physical violence.

Ironically, though, Holly doesn’t seem to believe that secular democracy is the answer. Her symbols suggest that she would at least prefer a theocracy, if not a downright authoritarian regime.

124 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 7, 2014 4:52:12pm

Whoa! Thanks for the promotion! As usual, all the fun happens after I go to sleep here.

125 RexMundi  Jul 7, 2014 4:56:26pm

The canton of the flag is in the wrong corner! For loving the country and the flag so much, I would hope that people would learn how to display it properly.

126 AntonSirius  Jul 7, 2014 10:07:37pm

re: #37 S’latch

Poor Holly Fisher. I wonder how she’s feeling today.

As of last night she seemed to be handling the pic fairly well:

Sad to say, in addition to within the bounds criticism and mockery, she also got subjected to some of the same misogynist crap that people like Sandra Fluke and Amanda Marcotte have to deal with on a daily basis.

Always great to see a handful of assholes stand up for women’s reproductive rights by calling another woman a see you next time.

127 RIRedinPA  Jul 8, 2014 3:20:42am

re: #22 Eclectic Cyborg

McVeigh didn’t kill himself but all the same…

128 RexMundi  Jul 8, 2014 4:31:16am

re: #126 AntonSirius

As of last night she seemed to be handling the pic fairly well:

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Sad to say, in addition to within the bounds criticism and mockery, she also got subjected to some of the same misogynist crap that people like Sandra Fluke and Amanda Marcotte have to deal with on a daily basis.

Always great to see a handful of assholes stand up for women’s reproductive rights by calling another woman a see you next time.

You’re right. I may disagree with Ms Fisher’s picture and sentiment but she does not deserve to be trashed like that. I wish people of all political leanings would stop being so vicious toward women.

129 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 8, 2014 4:34:28am

I blocked and muted Ms. Fisher on Twitter. She is just a little attention queen and her 15 minutes are up.

130 po8crg  Jul 9, 2014 3:43:11am

re: #63 jaunte

Viagra prescriptions only for married men.
///////////////

Meh, castrate all men, sew them back on when they get married.
//////////

131 Ryan King  Jul 9, 2014 7:54:56am

foxnewsinsider.com

Fox News to the rescue of poor little troll


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