Obama Forms Coalition of Arab States to Take Action Against ISIS, Right Wing (And Greenwald) Confused, Angry

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It’s bizarre to watch the right wing news sites trying to settle on a way to spin President Obama’s action against ISIS inside Syria; they alternate from hand-wringing fear that Obama isn’t doin’ it right, to attacking Obama for doin’ it at all, to completely ignoring the fact that Obama put together a historic coalition of Sunni Arab Muslim states as partners.

They love the bombing part, but it’s Obama doing it. Cognitive whiplash!

But it sure looks like Obama did have a strategy to deal with ISIS after all.

WASHINGTON — President Obama on Tuesday hailed the American-led coalition that conducted airstrikes against the Islamic State in Syria on Monday night, declaring, “We’re going to do what is necessary to take the fight to this terrorist group.”

Speaking on the South Lawn of the White House just before leaving for New York City to attend the United Nations General Assembly, Mr. Obama emphasized that the extensive operation had included Saudi Arabia, Jordan, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar and Bahrain.

“America is proud to stand shoulder to shoulder with these nations on behalf of our common security,” Mr. Obama said. “The strength of this coalition makes clear to the world that this is not just America’s fight alone.”

But look who’s on the exact same page as the far right on this one, ignoring the coalition of Muslim partners and attacking Obama for “bombing a predominantly Muslim country:”

Does Greenwald prefer Syria to this “inspiring group?”

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237 comments
1 Internet Tough Guy  Sep 23, 2014 9:59:58am

Glenn’s just sad that W isn’t reinvading Iraq.

2 b.d.  Sep 23, 2014 10:00:30am

The only way that Glenn would be silent on this issue is if Obama were to team up with Putin.

3 Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2014 10:01:04am
4 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 23, 2014 10:03:35am

Glenn just hates POTUS. It kinda makes me wonder if he hates Obama for the same reason that most of the right-wing does. (which you know what that is)

5 Lidane  Sep 23, 2014 10:04:11am

It’s lunchtime. Have some derp:

Joseph Farah: Obama Is Faking War With ISIS

He did, however, provide arms and munitions and your tax dollars to those rebels. Most or all of it wound up in the hands of ISIS. Thus, Obama, more than anyone else, actually fed and nursed and gave aid and comfort to ISIS. He incubated the monster it has become.

Now Obama is using the crisis he created to get what he wanted more than a year ago - another shot at undermining Assad’s government. He’s going back to the well with what he describes as a strategy to defeat ISIS by supporting Assad’s Sunni opposition.

Why?

I can only assume the reason is that Obama is not really at war with ISIS.

6 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 23, 2014 10:04:26am

There’s gotta be a chart they follow that basically says

Pick Issue ->

Is Obama for it -> Yes -> be against it

No -> be for it

7 Schadenboner  Sep 23, 2014 10:04:34am

Glen prefers the luxury that is not having to choose a side. That way, he can criticize the outcome no matter what.

8 Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2014 10:06:33am
9 b.d.  Sep 23, 2014 10:06:44am

re: #7 Schadenboner

Glen prefers the luxury that is not having to choose a side. That way, he can criticize the outcome no matter what.

Glenn is a has been one trick pony whose pony is now in the Moscow Circus.

10 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 23, 2014 10:08:13am
11 Dr. Matt  Sep 23, 2014 10:08:18am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Remember all the wingnut/media outrage that “Obama said he DOESN’T HAVE A STRATEGY?” Time for them to eat some crow. t.co

The wingnuts/media once again was playing checkers, while the POTUS was playing chess.

12 ObserverArt  Sep 23, 2014 10:09:15am

I’m going to have to fix up a box full of some foam padding and send it off to Brazil. It’s the kind of foam used in chairs and car seats.

Somebody down there has a hurtin’ butt.

13 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 23, 2014 10:09:35am

re: #11 Dr. Matt

I was thinking Go Fish vs Texas Hold ‘em

14 Shazam  Sep 23, 2014 10:09:58am

Only eggheads have strategies. Why can’t Obama be more manly, like Bush?

15 GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 23, 2014 10:11:36am

Been hearing: Obama outsourcing our security just like he does with JEORBS!!!!!!!

16 missliberties  Sep 23, 2014 10:13:01am

Has he no decency?

just whispering a question….. and wondering…… you know if….. is GG almost rooting for ISIL?

Is it like totally okay with the G-man that ISIS captures journalists and uses their beheadings as as PR promos?

I seriously wonder sometimes about where his loyalties lie.

17 wrenchwench  Sep 23, 2014 10:14:35am

re: #16 missliberties

I seriously wonder sometimes about where his loyalties lie.

18 Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2014 10:15:55am

I’ve already gotten two insulting tweets from Greenwald cultists…

19 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 23, 2014 10:16:00am

You can add pink moonbats to the list…

20 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 23, 2014 10:16:10am

The #tcot is in “fine form” today, they have the Climate Change March AND the War on ISIL to Derp on.

21 Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2014 10:18:51am

New Huffington Post foreign policy analyst Donte Stallworth weighs in:

22 wrenchwench  Sep 23, 2014 10:20:51am

re: #21 Charles Johnson

New Huffington Post foreign policy analyst Donte Stallworth weighs in:

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Well, as policy, that certainly qualifies as ‘foreign’.

23 Bulworth  Sep 23, 2014 10:20:53am

re:
#5

I can only assume the reason is that Obama is not really at war with ISIS.

flipping all the desks….

24 rhuarc  Sep 23, 2014 10:21:52am

First off, I will admit to being a prior GG fan when he was at Salon. I read all of his columns and have read (I think) all of his books. However, since I’ve been reading here you guys have mostly turned my thinking towards him especially in regards to how he has handled Edward Snowden and all of those leaks. I also understand you guys, in general, dislike GG because of his bombastic nature and his exaggeration and half-truths with regards to a lot of topics as well as probably some other things I’m not listing.

But I have to ask why is it wrong for him to question what legal authority Obama has to bomb ISIL within Syria? Why is it wrong for him to point out that our coalition of partners don’t exactly have the best track record of human rights on the planet? Why is it wrong to point out that attacking ISIL like this only strengthens their numbers and aids in their recruitment? Is it because GG is the one pointing it out? Or do none of you have any concern about these questions?

ISIL should be dealt with no doubt, but they should be dealt with by taking out leadership which we are incredibly capable of doing. Allow interested parties in the region to do their own bombing and let’s stay out of it for once. Is it wrong for wanting that?

I’m not trolling, either. I’m generally curious about the above questions from those of you who want to answer.

25 Lidane  Sep 23, 2014 10:22:14am

re: #15 GlutenFreeJesus

Been hearing: Obama outsourcing our security just like he does with JEORBS!!!!!!!

I thought conservatives were all about outsourcing. It saves money.

26 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 23, 2014 10:22:18am

Pass another desk & the lighter fluid

27 Bulworth  Sep 23, 2014 10:23:05am

re:
#5

He did, however, provide arms and munitions and your tax dollars to those rebels.

I thought that the complaint was that Obama wasn’t arming and supporting the Syrian rebels? And that ISIS has gotten much of their equipment from Iraq.

#WeHaveAlwaysBeenAtWarWithEurasia

28 Lidane  Sep 23, 2014 10:24:18am

re: #10 Pie-onist Overlord

I’d laugh, but it’s true:

McCain, Graham: Airstrikes Were Great, Now How About Some Ground Troops

29 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 23, 2014 10:25:20am

re: #5 Lidane

It’s lunchtime. Have some derp:

Joseph Farah: Obama Is Faking War With ISIS

Recall, if you will, what Obama’s prime foreign policy objective was just over a year ago: He was determined to bomb the regime of Syria’s Hafez Assad. That, to Obama, was the most important and critical foreign policy objective.
Read more at wnd.com

So apparently Obama is also a time lord, since Hafez Assad is Bashar Assad’s father. Not that I would expect more from Joseph “Porn ‘Stache” Farah.

RBS

30 Mike Lamb  Sep 23, 2014 10:26:01am

re: #5 Lidane

It’s lunchtime. Have some derp:

Joseph Farah: Obama Is Faking War With ISIS

ISIS will be pleased to know that those aren’t really missiles/bombs raining down on them.

31 nkdee  Sep 23, 2014 10:27:35am

re: #6 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I have said for some time now that Obama should come out in favor of breathing. Knowing how the RWNJs are against EVERYTHING he does….problem solved.

32 Lidane  Sep 23, 2014 10:27:44am

re: #29 RealityBasedSteve

So apparently Obama is also a time lord, since Hafez Assad is Bashar Assad’s father. Not that I would expect more from Joseph “Porn ‘Stache” Farah.

Obummer is obviously a Time Lord. How else do you think he managed to plant his birth announcement in Hawaii when he’s clearly Kenyan?

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33 Timothy Watson  Sep 23, 2014 10:28:03am

re: #30 Mike Lamb

ISIS will be pleased to know that those aren’t really missiles/bombs raining down on them.

TAQIYYA!!1!

34 Mike Lamb  Sep 23, 2014 10:28:26am

re: #26 Pie-onist Overlord

Pass another desk & the lighter fluid

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Even taking his tweet at face value, which is quite dangerous, it would be pretty sad if two people had to commit “fraud” in order to be married…

35 Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2014 10:28:34am

Free Republic loves Greenwald’s article. Imagine my surprise.

freerepublic.com

36 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 23, 2014 10:29:03am

re: #34 Mike Lamb

Even taking his tweet at face value, which is quite dangerous, it would be pretty sad if two people had to commit “fraud” in order to be married…

What’s the “fraud”? Was one of them already married to another person?

37 wrenchwench  Sep 23, 2014 10:29:35am

re: #24 rhuarc

I’m not trolling, either. I’m generally curious about the above questions from those of you who want to answer.

There certainly are legitimate questions about how to handle ISIS, but Glenn is an anti-interventionist, so it’s fatuous to think one can have a serious meaningful discussion with him about it.

38 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 23, 2014 10:29:36am

re: #32 Lidane

Obummer is obviously a Time Lord. How else do you think he managed to plant his birth announcement in Hawaii when he’s clearly Kenyan?

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Of course… It all makes perfect derpalicious sense now. (and I’m shocked that Chrome’s spell check didn’t flag “derpalicious”)

39 Mike Lamb  Sep 23, 2014 10:30:50am

re: #36 Pie-onist Overlord

What’s the “fraud”? Was one of them already married to another person?

Maybe they lied about one of the couple’s gender?

40 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 23, 2014 10:30:54am

re: #24 rhuarc

Some question the legality, but this time our legislators are not in serious opposition. We still have the old AUMF which applies in terms of any terrorist base that presents and imminent threat.

To me just IMO, the guy lost all credibility with his whole approach on Snowden.

41 Lidane  Sep 23, 2014 10:32:06am

re: #36 Pie-onist Overlord

What’s the “fraud”? Was one of them already married to another person?

Two women tried to get a marriage license. Obviously that’s fraud.

/Fischer

42 Internet Tough Guy  Sep 23, 2014 10:32:38am

re: #37 wrenchwench

I’d say he’s more anti-American interventionist.

43 wrenchwench  Sep 23, 2014 10:34:03am

re: #42 Internet Tough Guy

I’d say he’s more anti-American interventionist.

Yes, now that you mention it, if you judge his recent actions more than his past words, that’s exactly right.

44 klys  Sep 23, 2014 10:34:24am

re: #24 rhuarc

Some of your questions are valid ones.

I don’t pretend for a moment that GG actually thinks about them or gives a shit about the answers. All of his actions since the Snowden story broke have shown that he doesn’t care about the consequences of his actions, just how much they make him money and if he can attack the government he despises.

It is also worth noting that while the partners for this may not have the best human rights records, they are also all predominantly Sunni countries - as is Syria. Having partners in the region is important on this because it absolutely should not just be the US stomping in - or even a coalition of Western states - because that would be viewed by the folks in the region as continued meddling. Some will view it this way anyway, but here you have other folks joining in on saying “this is a problem and we will help.” Matters to some.

45 Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2014 10:34:33am

re: #24 rhuarc

Greenwald will be opposed to anything Obama does, regardless of the “human rights records” of the partners. That’s just his latest pretext. As far as Greenwald is concerned, there’s NO country on Earth that has a good record on human rights; the only countries he doesn’t criticize for this are the ones with truly awful human rights violations, like Russia and China and Syria.

His latest article is just another intellectually dishonest hit piece, written from a nihilist viewpoint that would let ISIS just continue to do whatever they please.

46 b.d.  Sep 23, 2014 10:36:21am

re: #35 Charles Johnson

Free Republic loves Greenwald’s article. Imagine my surprise.

freerepublic.com

Jim Rob and Glenn would get along just great.

:)

47 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 23, 2014 10:37:49am

re: #45 Charles Johnson

the only countries he doesn’t criticize for this are the ones with truly awful human rights violations, like Russia and China and Syria.

And Brazil.

48 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 23, 2014 10:38:15am

re: #46 b.d.

Jim Rob and Glenn would get along just great.

:)

Throw in DimJim and CJJ, and you would have “The Beatles” of RWNJobbery.

RBS

49 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2014 10:39:25am

On being informed that he is being adopted by GG:

50 dholmes32  Sep 23, 2014 10:39:29am

re: #21 Charles Johnson

New Huffington Post foreign policy analyst Donte Stallworth weighs in:

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Wait, what? I’m thinking this recording of a discussion involving a database cluster where the root cause isn’t yet known makes more sense. <goes back to work>

51 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 23, 2014 10:39:45am

re: #44 klys

Also when even Saudi Arabia, one of the biggest sponsors of Islamic extremism, joins in, this should signify to even the most entrenched ideologues that this should be done. (It won’t, but it should.)

52 wrenchwench  Sep 23, 2014 10:39:55am

re: #45 Charles Johnson

His latest article is just another intellectually dishonest hit piece, written from a nihilist viewpoint that would let ISIS just continue to do whatever they please.

The nihilism is a significant shared characteristic between Glenn & ISIS.

53 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 23, 2014 10:40:12am

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

On being informed that he is being adopted by GG:

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Glenn is a dog person, I don’t think he has any cats.

54 klys  Sep 23, 2014 10:40:35am

re: #51 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Also when even Saudi Arabia, one of the biggest sponsors of Islamic extremism, joins in, this should signify to even the most entrenched ideologues that this should be done. (It won’t, but it should.)

The cynic in me argues they’re just upset about the competition.

But yes.

55 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2014 10:40:38am

re: #53 Pie-onist Overlord

Glenn is a dog person, I don’t think he has any cats.

Cats know…

56 Bulworth  Sep 23, 2014 10:41:34am

re:
#26

Two lesbians commit fraud to get a marriage license in Mississippi. We’ll break that story today on Focal Point at 2:15CT.

Who did they defraud, Bryan?

I wonder why Bryan isn’t concerned about people commiting fraud to get gunz?

57 S'latch  Sep 23, 2014 10:42:15am

For Glenn to say that we are bombing “Syria” is just obtuse. I sort of doubt that “Syria” is complaining about us bombing ISIL.

58 ObserverArt  Sep 23, 2014 10:44:22am

re: #24 rhuarc

First off, I will admit to being a prior GG fan when he was at Salon. I read all of his columns and have read (I think) all of his books. However, since I’ve been reading here you guys have mostly turned my thinking towards him especially in regards to how he has handled Edward Snowden and all of those leaks. I also understand you guys, in general, dislike GG because of his bombastic nature and his exaggeration and half-truths with regards to a lot of topics as well as probably some other things I’m not listing.

But I have to ask why is it wrong for him to question what legal authority Obama has to bomb ISIL within Syria? Why is it wrong for him to point out that our coalition of partners don’t exactly have the best track record of human rights on the planet? Why is it wrong to point out that attacking ISIL like this only strengthens their numbers and aids in their recruitment? Is it because GG is the one pointing it out? Or do none of you have any concern about these questions?

ISIL should be dealt with no doubt, but they should be dealt with by taking out leadership which we are incredibly capable of doing. Allow interested parties in the region to do their own bombing and let’s stay out of it for once. Is it wrong for wanting that?

I’m not trolling, either. I’m generally curious about the above questions from those of you who want to answer.

I am usually for going after leadership in most cases. And in doing it as stealthily as possible.

However, I am wondering if part of this type of bombing is to send a message to all the wanna-be types that are joining ISIS as an evil lark. Maybe if a few of the hanger-on types get a feel for seeing what being a terrorist gets you they might pack up and go back to their countries.

Plus, if they are stupid enough to have tried to become an army that takes territory and tries to hold it, then they become open for traditional military responses…like bombing.

I bet there is a combination of methods going on. The bombing might not last all that long once they take out easy targets. Once ISIS is on the run, then I expect the stealthy methods to take over and they will go after them one by one, as Obama has done since taking office.

Now about Greenwald. I think what bothers most people about Greenwald is his arrogant attention generating ways and his seeming hate for America, even though he will come to the country to speak and sell books for his own reward. And, he is just such a putz. If he wasn’t such an attention whore he might actually have a larger audience.

His methods are also to be questioned. He writes to attract outrage and buries the real facts that water down his own bombast if he shows any facts at all. In some ways he is writing fiction and selling it as hard news journalism.

Sometime in the recent years he has decided to go all in on selling fear and that to me makes him an opportunist, not a serious writer. I don’t trust him, so I don’t trust his writing.

59 piratedan  Sep 23, 2014 10:44:56am

re: #24 rhuarc

a quibble, you state that taking out the ISIL leadership is incredibly easy… based on what?

tactical nuke? Villages being held hostage?

I don’t doubt that the US is already doing what they can to take out the heads of the hydra but I sure as hell don’t think it will be easy. Do I like our continued involvement in the ME, not really, but at least this time, it’s not entirely the West that is participating here. Granted, most of the allies are folks that have bought their equipment from us, received their training from us and are “generally” aligned with us, but they’re actively participating this time instead of it being a seen/perceived as outsiders to the region, these nations have a vested interest in bringing the extremism under control if they truly want stability.

This has better “buy in” than our grand coalition in either Afghanistan or Iraq, as such, I actually appreciate the fact that the administration held our supposed regional allies feet to the fire to be involved in helping to try and combat fundamentalist extremist elements as opposed to believing that we’ll simply be greeted as liberators.

60 i_a_c  Sep 23, 2014 10:44:59am

Greendrone doesn’t give a shit and would rather let IS slaughter everyone in its path that isn’t as insane as they are. That makes his kvetching over the other ME countries involved in the air strikes moot.

61 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 23, 2014 10:48:19am

re: #51 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Also when even Saudi Arabia, one of the biggest sponsors of Islamic extremism (and close friends with the Bush family), joins in, this should signify to even the most entrenched ideologues that this should be done. (It won’t, but it should.)

62 Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2014 10:48:32am
63 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 10:48:41am

Glenn Greenwald is best described in a JFK quote from the speech he was going to give in Dallas the day he died.
There will always be dissident voices heard in the land, expressing opposition without alternatives, finding fault but never favor, perceiving gloom on every side and seeking influence without responsibility. Those voices are inevitable.”
The whole speech is good. It’s too bad he never gave it.
acorn.net

64 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 10:49:34am

re: #26 Pie-onist Overlord

Pass another desk & the lighter fluid

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The only fraud is your portraying yourself as a Christian man, dear Bryan.

65 piratedan  Sep 23, 2014 10:51:59am

re: #63 HappyWarrior

agreed, I don’t mind dissent, dissent is usually good, but most of what GG does is simply carping, same applies to the GOP. If what they think that Obama is doing sucks so bad, feel free to offer up a viable alternative. As of now, there’s not a helluva lot of discussion, just generic bitching and moaning.

66 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 23, 2014 10:55:00am
67 WhatEVs  Sep 23, 2014 10:55:06am

re: #37 wrenchwench

There certainly are legitimate questions about how to handle ISIS, but Glenn is an anti-interventionist, so it’s fatuous to think one can have a serious meaningful discussion with him about it.

I don’t know if that is true. Didn’t he support George W. Bush’s excellent adventures? Maybe I am misrememberin’.

68 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 10:56:04am

re: #67 WhatEVs

I don’t know if that is true. Didn’t he support George W. Bush’s excellent adventures? Maybe I am misrememberin’.

Not only did he support them, he was very critical of people who criticized them. Very nasty.

69 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 10:56:49am

re: #65 piratedan

agreed, I don’t mind dissent, dissent is usually good, but most of what GG does is simply carping, same applies to the GOP. If what they think that Obama is doing sucks so bad, feel free to offer up a viable alternative. As of now, there’s not a helluva lot of discussion, just generic bitching and moaning.

Precisely. I mean criticism is inevitable and I have no problem with dissent either but what GG and the GOP do isn’t dissent really, it’s just mindless bitching.

70 piratedan  Sep 23, 2014 10:57:44am

re: #67 WhatEVs

yeah but there was the yellow cake and the trucks to base that decision, plus all of those well known ties between Hussein and Al Qeada. All we have now is the beheading of a couple of journalists and claims of taking their war of jihad to the West, hardly anything to be worried about…. ////

71 rhuarc  Sep 23, 2014 10:57:55am

re: #59 piratedan

a quibble, you state that taking out the ISIL leadership is incredibly easy… based on what?

tactical nuke? Villages being held hostage?

I didn’t say it was easy. I said that we are incredibly capable of doing that task. Obviously it’s not easy or OBL would have been killed a long time before he was. It’s just that we are better at doing it than the regional players. Leave the “dumb” bombing to the regional actors and we’ll take the “smart” surgical strikes.

72 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 23, 2014 10:58:19am

re: #68 HappyWarrior

Not only did he support them, he was very critical of people who criticized them. Very nasty.

DON’T PAY ATTENTIONS TO STUFF I SAID 10 YEARS AGO BUT I WILL ATTACK & SHRED YOU FOR STUFF YOU SAID 10 YEARS AGO!!!11!!!!

73 piratedan  Sep 23, 2014 11:01:00am

re: #71 rhuarc

you’re right, you did say that, my bad. I shouldn’t have equated incredibly capable with easy.

74 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 11:01:17am

re: #72 Pie-onist Overlord

DON’T PAY ATTENTIONS TO STUFF I SAID 10 YEARS AGO BUT I WILL ATTACK & SHRED YOU FOR STUFF YOU SAID 10 YEARS AGO!!!11!!!!

Exactly, the dude’s a fucking hypocrite.

75 Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2014 11:02:13am

Greenwald cultists upset at me again.

76 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 23, 2014 11:05:19am
77 Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2014 11:07:24am
78 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 11:08:22am

re: #77 Charles Johnson

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It’s the circle of derp!!!!!!!!!!!!(sing to Circle of Life from the Lion King)

79 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 23, 2014 11:08:26am

re: #75 Charles Johnson

Greenwald cultists upset at me again.

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How in the world can Dr. Lizardo, CL and the rest of our Muslim Lizards even bear to log in to LFG with the rampant Islamophobia here?

RBS

80 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 23, 2014 11:08:42am

This is a typical wingnut Tweet from today, but last week they were all screaming for ISIS to be genocided off the face of the earth

81 Shiplord Kirel  Sep 23, 2014 11:11:02am

Since the lepertarian/moonbat axis is also the prime focus of antivaxx suicide activism, maybe they will self eliminate.
Wish there were a way to leave the kids out though.

82 Bulworth  Sep 23, 2014 11:11:05am

re:
#80

This is a typical wingnut Tweet from today, but last week they were all screaming for ISIS to be genocided off the face of the earth

Why aren’t you bombing Eastasia?!??!?!?! Eastasia is threatening us and killing Americans.

Obama bombs Eastasia.

Why are you bombing Eastasia? We’re at war with Euroasia!!!!1

83 makeitstop  Sep 23, 2014 11:11:16am

They really don’t have a handle on how to spin this at all. My FB wingnuts still haven’t mentioned the air strikes.

The best that one of them came up with was a blanket statement that Obama wasn’t fit to be president. The butthurt is strong today.

84 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 23, 2014 11:11:39am

re: #79 RealityBasedSteve

How in the world can Dr. Lizardo, CL and the rest of our Muslim Lizards even bear to log in to LFG with the rampant Islamophobia here?

RBS

They’re not true Muslims. ISIS are. ///

But yeah, it’s worth pointing out to these idiots that Muslims like CL and Dr. Lizardo are among the most respected LGF members. Funny, that.

85 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 23, 2014 11:12:29am

re: #80 Pie-onist Overlord

another bombed by your anti war peace prize winning puppet prez. U dummies r prob happy because the programming told u to be so.

Come back when you learn to spell, buddy.

86 Bulworth  Sep 23, 2014 11:12:39am

re:
#83

The best that one of them came up with was a blanket statement that Obama wasn’t fit to be president. The butthurt is strong today.

uh…um…oh, wait, BENGHAZI!!!!111

87 De Kolta Chair  Sep 23, 2014 11:12:59am

Crocoduck/Greenwald 2016!!!1!!

88 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 11:13:16am

re: #84 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

They’re not true Muslims. ISIS are. ///

But yeah, it’s worth pointing out to these idiots that Muslims like CL and Dr. Lizardo are among the most respected LGF members. Funny, that.

I think I speak for many when I say I’m proud to call both those two friends. Terrific people.

89 b.d.  Sep 23, 2014 11:14:33am

OBAMA SHOULD REALLY BE BOMBING THE NSA RATHER THAN ISIS

90 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 11:15:37am

I really am starting to think the only thing that would make the Obama is ebil people happy would be a Charles I/Louis XVI style show trial. This isn’t disagreement. This is pure old hatred.

91 Bulworth  Sep 23, 2014 11:15:38am

re:
#80

another bombed by your anti war peace prize winning puppet prez. U dummies r prob happy because the programming told u to be so.

Dummies. You keep using that word. It does not mean what you think it means.

92 ObserverArt  Sep 23, 2014 11:16:24am

re: #86 Bulworth

re:
#83

uh…um…oh, wait, BENGHAZI!!!!111

Yeah…why didn’t Obama put this much effort into saving the US Ambassador and his aides at Benghazi. Now he is off chumming around with his Islamic friends. It all goes to show which side he is on…which at this moment I can’t figure out, but I am damn sure it is bad.

93 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 23, 2014 11:16:38am

SMOTI echoes Greenwald

94 Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2014 11:16:47am
95 Dr Lizardo  Sep 23, 2014 11:17:22am

re: #79 RealityBasedSteve

How in the world can Dr. Lizardo, CL and the rest of our Muslim Lizards even bear to log in to LFG with the rampant Islamophobia here?

RBS

LOLOL

I’ve posted Sufi dhikr here and received updings for it.

The charge that LGF is currently “Islamophobic” is laughable at best. Anti-extremist…yes, as am I. I have no patience for the likes of Islamic State, or for that matter, even extreme and narrowly dogmatic interpretations of Islam such as Salafism, which in personal opinion, is a cancer that’s spread throughout the Ummah. But I also have a strong dislike for any form of fundamentalism, be it Muslim, or Christian, or Buddhist, or Hindu or what have you. Fundamentalism is toxic to civil society and civil discourse.

And my generally center-left socio-political views have been with me for a long time. I have an aversion to injustice and nothing but the most vehement disdain for those who would seek to impose tyranny on others, especially when it’s done under the rubric of some utopian fantasy.

96 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 11:19:54am

re: #93 Pie-onist Overlord

SMOTI echoes Greenwald

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Bombed the moon? What is that old racist smoking? Is it the same shit that Michelle Bachmann was when she said that we have Phyillis Schalfry to thank for the end of the Cold War.

97 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 11:20:38am

You don’t see people here scapegoating Muslims for all the world’s problems. On the right wing sites that GG has cozied up with OTOH………..

98 Varek Raith  Sep 23, 2014 11:21:36am

re: #97 HappyWarrior

You don’t see people here scapegoating Muslims for all the world’s problems. On the right wing sites that GG has cozied up with OTOH………..

I blame Muslims for algebra.
/:P

99 Shiplord Kirel  Sep 23, 2014 11:22:20am

re: #93 Pie-onist Overlord

SMOTI echoes Greenwald

WAR PRESIDENT: Bush Bombed 4 Countries… Obama Bombed 7 Countries & the Moon (Video)

And there aren’t even any Muslims on the Moon and he didn’t even include Mexico!

100 Bulworth  Sep 23, 2014 11:22:39am

re:
#93

Wait, wingnuts are against us bombing countries?

I thought Obama was an appeaser always going on ‘apology tours’?

Head spinning….

101 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 23, 2014 11:22:49am

The “Obama Bombed 7 Countries” meme is all over The Derposphere

102 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2014 11:23:01am

re: #94 Charles Johnson

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I’ve seen more than a few truckstop sexytime workers in the parking lots and can understand why he uses that photo for his avatar and advertises on teh twitterz…

103 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 11:23:14am

re: #98 Varek Raith

I blame Muslims for algebra.
/:P

Yeah but they also gave us the kabob. That’s a push. And you’re hearing from a guy who hates advanced mathematics.

104 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 23, 2014 11:23:39am

But last week they were screaming for carpet bombing of everywhere ISIS might be hiding

105 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 11:24:16am

re: #100 Bulworth

re:
#93

Wait, wingnuts are against us bombing countries?

I thought Obama was an appeaser always going on ‘apology tours’?

Head spinning….

It’s Tuesday. Wednesday is Obama is an appeaser who would make Neville Chamberlain blush day.

106 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 11:24:49am

re: #104 Pie-onist Overlord

But last week they were screaming for carpet bombing of everywhere ISIS might be hiding

Well they also were for a health insurance mandate too but consistency never really was their friend.

107 jaunte  Sep 23, 2014 11:25:22am

re: #105 HappyWarrior

It’s Tuesday. Wednesday is Obama is an appeaser who would make Neville Chamberlain blush day.

SS, DDay.

108 BadExampleMan  Sep 23, 2014 11:25:24am

re: #37 wrenchwench

There certainly are legitimate questions about how to handle ISIS, but Glenn is an anti-interventionist, so it’s fatuous to think one can have a serious meaningful discussion with him about it.

The problem isn’t that he’s an anti-interventionist, it’s that he’s a dishonest interlocutor. He’s never gotten over arguing like a lawyer. And I don’t mean that as a sneer at the legal profession, but your goal - and hence your methods - as an advocate in an adversarial proceeding are different than as a political partisan, a military strategist, or just someone trying to help people understand wtf is going on and how it affects them.

109 Dr Lizardo  Sep 23, 2014 11:26:16am

re: #105 HappyWarrior

It’s Tuesday. Wednesday is Obama is an appeaser who would make Neville Chamberlain blush day.

What’s ironic to me is that the wingnuts have become the very “nattering nabobs of negativism” that Spiro Agnew once dismissively spoke of.

Heh.

110 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2014 11:26:18am

re: #96 HappyWarrior

Bombed the moon? What is that old racist smoking? Is it the same shit that Michelle Bachmann was when she said that we have Phyillis Schalfry to thank for the end of the Cold War.

google “moon explosion conspiracy”.
NASA bombed the moon…

111 Bubblehead II  Sep 23, 2014 11:26:43am

BTW, speaking of wingnuts, did upchucky ever post his video about illegal subpenas?

112 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 23, 2014 11:27:09am

re: #53 Pie-onist Overlord

Glenn is a dog person, I don’t think he has any cats.

Soon…

113 Bulworth  Sep 23, 2014 11:27:21am

re:
#101

Hurr hurr stoopid libtards hated Bush for being war president and thare kenyan president bombs all the countries!!!111

114 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 11:27:44am

re: #109 Dr Lizardo

What’s ironic to me is that the wingnuts have become the very “nattering nabobs of negativism” that Spiro Agnew once dismissively spoke of.

Heh.

Good ole Spiro. You know he went by Ted when he ran for governor of Maryland? My Dad remembers the campaign jingle. Ted Agnew, he’s your kind of man or something like that. Funny thing is my kid brother plays baseball with a kid named Spiro. Haven’t asked the family if they named him after the most zany VP since Aaron Burr.

115 Eventual Carrion  Sep 23, 2014 11:29:19am

re: #26 Pie-onist Overlord

Pass another desk & the lighter fluid

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Bryan commits fraud by trying to pass himself off as human. I will break that story today at 6:66CT

116 Varek Raith  Sep 23, 2014 11:29:55am

re: #24 rhuarc

Allow interested parties in the region to do their own bombing and let’s stay out of it for once. Is it wrong for wanting that?

No, but nothing will get done otherwise.

117 Bulworth  Sep 23, 2014 11:29:57am

re:
#111

BTW, speaking of wingnuts, did upchucky ever post his video about illegal subpenas?

He probably scared them off with his fearless and furious tweet.

///

118 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 11:30:11am

My problem with Bush’s FP was how misguided it was. Oh we’ve invaded Afghanistan because of 9/11? Fine. Let’s get OBL. And then not even a year later he’s like “Hey actually AQ had help from Saddam Hussein and I know how much we hate him because hey evil bastard gassed his own people and did I forget to mention he tried to kill my Dad too.” The Bush admin’s FP was like my childhood obsessions. I’d have one obsession and drop it as soon as another came up. That’s cute if you’re a child with Asperger’s Syndrome. It though OTOH is a terrible FP. The Obama administration at least has shown it has its priorities in FP.

119 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2014 11:31:12am

re: #111 Bubblehead II

BTW, speaking of wingnuts, did upchucky ever post his video about illegal subpenas?

He did and it was ridiculous.
I saw better video presentations produced by middle school kids.

120 Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 23, 2014 11:31:40am

re: #24 rhuarc

ISIL should be dealt with no doubt, but they should be dealt with by taking out leadership which we are incredibly capable of doing.

Oh hell yes! Look how many times we took out AQ’s #2 and #3 guys. We sure showed them a thing or two, or six or seven or…

121 Bubblehead II  Sep 23, 2014 11:31:48am

re: #117 Bulworth

re:
#111

He probably scared them off with his fearless and furious tweet.

///

In other words, no. My surprise let me show you.

122 De Kolta Chair  Sep 23, 2014 11:32:02am

re: #94 Charles Johnson

Et tu, TrvckStopSexKvlt?

123 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 23, 2014 11:32:12am

re: #98 Varek Raith

I blame Muslims for algebra.
/:P

I blame Newton for my kidney stones.
// ;P

124 dog philosopher  Sep 23, 2014 11:35:53am

fox news reaction to syria bombing seems to be “um and yeah that happened too…”

125 Lancelot Link  Sep 23, 2014 11:36:22am

re: #75 Charles Johnson

And who was GG supporting at the time?

Oh.

126 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 11:36:32am

True Detective fans: Vince Vaughn and Colin Farrell confirmed for Season 2. I like Farrell. Not sure about Vaughn but I trust the series after the magic we saw last year with McCounaghey and Harrelson.

127 klys  Sep 23, 2014 11:36:39am

It’s amazing how fast trees can disappear when there are chainsaws in the hands of experienced folks.

I, on the other hand, would still be at the first one and have a decent chance of seriously hurting myself. This is why we pay professionals.

128 Bulworth  Sep 23, 2014 11:37:29am

re:
#124

fox news reaction to syria bombing seems to be “um and yeah that happened too…”

Obama bombing Syria is just like Benghazi!

129 Eventual Carrion  Sep 23, 2014 11:37:37am

re: #40 Rightwingconspirator

Some question the legality, but this time our legislators are not in serious opposition. We still have the old AUMF which applies in terms of any terrorist base that presents and imminent threat.

To me just IMO, the guy lost all credibility with his whole approach on Snowden.

And the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 might give some authority to the Obama admin for the actions. The actual threat part would have to be there. And I am hearing that they are saying that there was actionable evidence of imminent attacks on the UK and/or USA.

130 Bulworth  Sep 23, 2014 11:38:44am

re:
#126

Looking forward to it. Story is supposed to be less…dark this year. Although I liked Season 1’s story. But the characters were unforgettable.

131 sagehen  Sep 23, 2014 11:40:40am

re: #126 HappyWarrior

True Detective fans: Vince Vaughn and Colin Farrell confirmed for Season 2. I like Farrell. Not sure about Vaughn but I trust the series after the magic we saw last year with McCounaghey and Harrelson.

Any word on who’s directing?

132 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 11:41:20am

re: #130 Bulworth

re:
#126

Looking forward to it. Story is supposed to be less…dark this year. Although I liked Season 1’s story. But the characters were unforgettable.

Indeed. Rust Cohle was one of my favorite characters in years. I enjoyed Woody’s Marty Hart too though. Great supporting characters as well. What I loved about Season 1 though is you really felt like you were watching something on that part of Louisiana. I also do like Colin Farrell. Been a fan of his since In Bruges.

133 BeachDem  Sep 23, 2014 11:41:38am

re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth

He did and it was ridiculous.
I saw better video presentations produced by middle school kids.

And here James O’Keefe was probably worried about competition from an AWARD WINNING JOURNALIST.

It was basically a string of unreadable tweets with Bon Jovi’s Wanted Dead or Alive as background music (undoubtedly not paid for). It made no sense, proved no point, and was tedious as hell.

Decatur Deb had a cached link to it last night, but other than for the hilarity/pomposity of it, not much “there” there.

134 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2014 11:42:11am

re: #125 Lancelot Link

And who was GG supporting at the time?
[Embedded image]
Oh.

yep.
Matt Hale…

135 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 23, 2014 11:43:25am

It is not just the dudebro squad and the RW guys after Obama. He is taking heat from the left as well. What a hopelessly distant comparison.

Huffpo headline

CONGRESS ENABLING ‘CHENEY WAR DOCTRINE’

The legislative branch adjourned its business at the end of last week to tend to elections. In doing so, it left unresolved the issue of authorizing the war that President Barack Obama would start days later. Congressional inaction didn’t upend the White House’s plans; the administration had already claimed it had legal authority to launch such strikes in Syria.

But by leaving town before the president started operations, lawmakers may have done serious harm to their own institution, Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) argued in an interview with The Huffington Post. Not only had they diminished the standing of Congress with respect to the executive branch, they also may have given unintended consent to a Dick Cheney-like vision of presidential war powers.

“[Congress has] sort of allowed the Cheney pre-emptive war doctrine to exist by another name,” Kaine said. “In this instance, they allowed the president to say, ‘ISIL [the Islamic State] is the bad guys, and I can go after them even though there has been testimony that they pose no imminent threat of attack on the United States.’ If the president just gets to do this without Congress, then we will be embracing the Cheney pre-emptive war doctrine, which I think is just brutally wrong.”

…”I think the damage would be enormous,” Kaine said of the possibility that Congress may never actually take a vote. “It is highly immoral to ask servicemen and women to risk their lives around a mission if the president feels that it is inconvenient to ask Congress to bless it, or members of Congress are afraid of the political consequence of blessing it.”

136 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2014 11:44:21am

re: #133 BeachDem

And here James O’Keefe was probably worried about competition from an AWARD WINNING JOURNALIST.

It was basically a string of unreadable tweets with Bon Jovi’s Wanted Dead or Alive as background music (undoubtedly not paid for). It made no sense, proved no point, and was tedious as hell.

Decatur Deb had a cached link to it last night, but other than for the hilarity/pomposity of it, not much “there” there.

It was totally point-and-laugh, pour another adult beverage, and point-and-laugh.

137 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 11:44:35am

re: #131 sagehen

Any word on who’s directing?

Saw the name Justin Lee. Don’t know who that is. The only Justin Lee I can find in Hollywood is the kid who played Annyong Bluth on Arrested Development. Not sure if it’s the same guy. Be a hoot if it was. I’ve heard the show’s going to be set in LA. Not sure what time period. Justin Lin by the way. I misread.

138 leftynyc  Sep 23, 2014 11:45:06am

Dinesh got lucky - just probation:

seattlepi.com

139 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 11:45:39am

re: #138 leftynyc

Dinesh got lucky - just probation:

seattlepi.com

He doesn’t get his martyr cookies.

140 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 23, 2014 11:46:28am
141 klys  Sep 23, 2014 11:47:09am

LOOK LOOK LOOK IT MIGHT RAIN!

142 Bubblehead II  Sep 23, 2014 11:48:25am

re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth

He did and it was ridiculous.
I saw better video presentations produced by middle school kids.

Thanks. Need some input on a pasta machine.

Marcato Atlas Wellness 150 Pasta Maker, Stainless Steel

Is it worth it?

The under $30.00 units have a lot of negative reviews

143 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 23, 2014 11:48:37am

re: #141 klys

LOOK LOOK LOOK IT MIGHT RAIN!

What an inconsistent and unpredictable system. Why not arrange for the Martians to bring a nice large chunk of ice from the rings of Saturn?

;P

144 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 23, 2014 11:48:54am

re: #141 klys

really wish it would rain down here on So Cal.

145 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 11:49:09am

re: #140 Rightwingconspirator

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I agree with you but I think what he could mean is the way it was handled. Gulf War I was handled responsibly by the elder Bush’s administration. Congressional approval, int’l coalition, etc. Anyhow I am glad to see my own senator, Kaine is being good on this and Van Hollen who represents the district right across the river from here doing his job too.

146 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 23, 2014 11:50:59am
147 klys  Sep 23, 2014 11:51:16am

re: #142 Bubblehead II

Thanks. Need some input on a pasta machine.

Marcato Atlas Wellness 150 Pasta Maker, Stainless Steel

Is it worth it?

The under $30.00 units have a lot of negative reviews

I can’t offer input on that but the husband and I occasionally make fresh pasta together and it is fun. That’s how we spent the 2012 election night, actually. We were working on the pasta (and the wine) when they called Ohio.

(It was also our anniversary.)

148 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 11:51:19am

re: #144 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

really wish it would rain down here on So Cal.

It never rains in Southern California or so the song says.

149 BeachDem  Sep 23, 2014 11:52:17am

re: #138 leftynyc

Dinesh got lucky - just probation:

seattlepi.com

That’s some serious bullshit there. Wonder who Dinesh sucks up to at AP—“conservative scholar?”—well, at least

He’ll be required to live for eight months at a confinement center in San Diego

150 Ace-o-aces  Sep 23, 2014 11:52:47am

re: #138 leftynyc

Dinesh got lucky - just probation:

seattlepi.com

And “community service”. That usually mean roadside cleanup.

151 sagehen  Sep 23, 2014 11:53:25am

re: #148 HappyWarrior

It never rains in Southern California or so the song says.

But it pours… man, it pours.

152 Bubblehead II  Sep 23, 2014 11:53:52am

re: #147 klys

I can’t offer input on that but the husband and I occasionally make fresh pasta together and it is fun. That’s how we spent the 2012 election night, actually. We were working on the pasta (and the wine) when they called Ohio.

(It was also our anniversary.)

Thanks. Anyone else?

153 jaunte  Sep 23, 2014 11:55:12am

re: #150 Ace-o-aces

And “community service”. That usually mean roadside cleanup.

He’ll probably wind up doing his community service by lecturing to high school students.

155 Varek Raith  Sep 23, 2014 11:58:23am

re: #154 Lidane

Hahahaha:

Kevin Sorbo Claims U.S. Military Spending Has Decreased, Kennedy Gently Corrects Him

Sigh.
Sometimes actors should just keep their politics private.
/

156 ObserverArt  Sep 23, 2014 12:00:37pm

re: #155 Varek Raith

Sigh.
Sometimes actors should just keep their politics private.
/

And don’t forget, some business owners also need be reminded of it too.

157 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2014 12:01:15pm

re: #142 Bubblehead II

Thanks. Need some input on a pasta machine.

Marcato Atlas Wellness 150 Pasta Maker, Stainless Steel

Is it worth it?

The under $30.00 units have a lot of negative reviews

That one looks good. Mine is a VillaWare, which really tends to get rusty just from humidity, so I’m looking to replace it.

Here’s an Amazon Prime link for the Marcato.

This CucinaPro looks good, too.

158 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 12:03:47pm

re: #154 Lidane

Hahahaha:

Kevin Sorbo Claims U.S. Military Spending Has Decreased, Kennedy Gently Corrects Him

When you’re being schooled by someone who likens Ron Paul to Nirvana, you’ve got problems through the ying yang.

159 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2014 12:04:35pm

re: #157 Backwoods_Sleuth

That one looks good. Mine is a VillaWare, which really tends to get rusty just from humidity, so I’m looking to replace it.

Here’s an Amazon Prime link for the Marcato.

This CucinaPro looks good, too.

And really, just steer clear of the cheap models. They really are crap.

160 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 23, 2014 12:05:14pm

re: #158 HappyWarrior

When you’re being schooled by someone who likens Ron Paul to Nirvana, you’ve got problems through the ying yang.

Ron Paul is like the group that recorded “Smells Like Teen Spirit”?

That doesn’t even make any freaking sense.

161 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 23, 2014 12:06:25pm

The wingnuts who keep Tweeting this meme NEVER STUDIED THE HOLOCAUST in high school or at any other time.

162 De Kolta Chair  Sep 23, 2014 12:06:48pm

re: #155 Varek Raith

Sigh.
Sometimes actors should just keep their politics private.
/

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

163 jaunte  Sep 23, 2014 12:07:03pm

re: #158 HappyWarrior

Ron Paul, the imperturbable stillness of mind after the fires of desire, aversion, and delusion have been finally extinguished.
………..
Well, maybe not delusion.

164 blueraven  Sep 23, 2014 12:07:24pm

re: #24 rhuarc

First off, I will admit to being a prior GG fan when he was at Salon. I read all of his columns and have read (I think) all of his books. However, since I’ve been reading here you guys have mostly turned my thinking towards him especially in regards to how he has handled Edward Snowden and all of those leaks. I also understand you guys, in general, dislike GG because of his bombastic nature and his exaggeration and half-truths with regards to a lot of topics as well as probably some other things I’m not listing.

But I have to ask why is it wrong for him to question what legal authority Obama has to bomb ISIL within Syria? Why is it wrong for him to point out that our coalition of partners don’t exactly have the best track record of human rights on the planet? Why is it wrong to point out that attacking ISIL like this only strengthens their numbers and aids in their recruitment? Is it because GG is the one pointing it out? Or do none of you have any concern about these questions?

ISIL should be dealt with no doubt, but they should be dealt with by taking out leadership which we are incredibly capable of doing. Allow interested parties in the region to do their own bombing and let’s stay out of it for once. Is it wrong for wanting that?

I’m not trolling, either. I’m generally curious about the above questions from those of you who want to answer.

Sure, there are legitimate questions, but GG is the wrong one to ask them. His is an extremely personal agenda.

Where was he on the legality of Putin’s aggression? And yes, it is relevant when he touts the “patriotism” of Snowden. Or what about the living conditions and rights of the people in his country of residency? Where is he there?

He doesn’t care about the people, only his ideology.
Anything Obama is for, GG is against. And as far as I am aware he has never apologized for his total support of GWB in his WOT. He was not worried about any stinkin laws back then.

But hey…dont bring that up to him or you are an Obama apologist.

As far as agreeing with Obama now, I do have concerns. But I do trust that he has taken the time to look at every angle. That doesn’t mean I am totally convinced, but reflexive disagreement just for the sake of it is pretty ugly in some corners.

165 Bulworth  Sep 23, 2014 12:07:34pm

re:
#154

“That’s not true?” Sorbo wondered. “That’s what I’ve heard.”

That’s what he’s heard. That’s what he’s heard from his wingnutty buddies. That’s what he’s heard watching Fox and listening to Rush. That’s what he’s ‘heard’.

What, you people want evidence of a claim like that?

166 Patricia Kayden  Sep 23, 2014 12:08:29pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

Glenn Greenwald is best described in a JFK quote from the speech he was going to give in Dallas the day he died.
There will always be dissident voices heard in the land, expressing opposition without alternatives, finding fault but never favor, perceiving gloom on every side and seeking influence without responsibility. Those voices are inevitable.”
The whole speech is good. It’s too bad he never gave it.
acorn.net

Yes, expressing opposition without alternatives is so easy to do. Armchair critics everywhere with nothing to substantive to contribute. What exactly should President Obama do to handle ISIS?

167 KiTA  Sep 23, 2014 12:11:28pm

Ya know, in the future, when we discover who is bankrolling Greenwald, we’re all going to look back at all this shit and realize it all suddenly makes sense.

168 Mike Lamb  Sep 23, 2014 12:12:39pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

Saw the name Justin Lee. Don’t know who that is. The only Justin Lee I can find in Hollywood is the kid who played Annyong Bluth on Arrested Development. Not sure if it’s the same guy. Be a hoot if it was. I’ve heard the show’s going to be set in LA. Not sure what time period. Justin Lin by the way. I misread.

I believe it’s the director of most of Fast and Furious franchise.

169 De Kolta Chair  Sep 23, 2014 12:12:47pm

re: #155 Varek Raith

Ooops, re the animated gif above, I thought you wrote that actors should keep their privates private.

170 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2014 12:12:52pm

re: #165 Bulworth

re:
#154

That’s what he’s heard. That’s what he’s heard from his wingnutty buddies. That’s what he’s heard watching Fox and listening to Rush. That’s what he’s ‘heard’.

What, you people want evidence of a claim like that?

It was in a forwarded email from a FOAF, forwarded SO MANY TIMES!!11!!1 On Facebook and Twitter!!11!!! Snopes verified, it said!!11!!!

171 Bubblehead II  Sep 23, 2014 12:13:19pm

re: #157 Backwoods_Sleuth

That one looks good. Mine is a VillaWare, which really tends to get rusty just from humidity, so I’m looking to replace it.

Here’s an Amazon Prime link for the Marcato.

This CucinaPro looks good, too.

Thanks, will compare them with the wife when she gets home tonight.

172 Mike Lamb  Sep 23, 2014 12:13:38pm

re: #130 Bulworth

re:
#126

Looking forward to it. Story is supposed to be less…dark this year. Although I liked Season 1’s story. But the characters were unforgettable.

They’d have to plumb some serious depths to get darker…

173 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 23, 2014 12:14:05pm

re: #169 De Kolta Chair

Ooops, re the animated gif above, I thought you wrote that actors should keep their privates private.

or at least not store them in iDrive.

RBS

174 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 12:14:18pm

re: #160 Pie-onist Overlord

Ron Paul is like the group that recorded “Smells Like Teen Spirit”?

That doesn’t even make any freaking sense.

Well she was talking about Ron Paul, Rand Paul, and Ted Cruz in a musical context. She said Luap Nor was like Nirvana(the original), I think she said Rand was like Pearl Jam, and Cruz was like Stone Temple Pilots. Not really familiar with grunge so I can’t really understand what the analogy was outside the fact that Ron Paul IS THE ORIGINAL which he really isn’t since Ron Paul is basically Robert A. Taft with more religious extremism and actual alliances with racists rather than just being an idiot and way out of touch.

175 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 12:14:37pm

re: #168 Mike Lamb

I believe it’s the director of most of Fast and Furious franchise.

Yes, I googled his name.

176 Bubblehead II  Sep 23, 2014 12:14:45pm

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

And really, just steer clear of the cheap models. They really are crap.

So I saw from the reviews. That’s why I was looking at the mid range models.

177 Mattand  Sep 23, 2014 12:14:45pm

re: #135 Rightwingconspirator

Maddow unfortunately is coming off like this, at least to me.

On the hand, she is asking hard questions about the mechanisms for going into war and if going after ISIS in Syria will make a difference.

On the other hand, she sometimes sounds like she’s genuinely confused about Obama using military force to deal with a terrorist organization. It’s like “I defend Obama from the RWNJs who accuse him of being soft on defense, but I must criticize him for doing anything militarily.”

Not that she should be an unquestioning cheerleader, but I get the feeling that if ISIS were to hit us hard somehow, she’d then be shitting on him for not doing enough.

178 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 23, 2014 12:15:04pm

SORBO IS A HACK. MORBO 2016!

179 Patricia Kayden  Sep 23, 2014 12:15:21pm

re: #100 Bulworth

re:
#93

Wait, wingnuts are against us bombing countries?

I thought Obama was an appeaser always going on ‘apology tours’?

Head spinning….

They are against anything the Brown man in the White House does. Everything. Anything. Doesn’t matter if it’s something they would have supported if it was done by President McCain or President Romney.

180 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 23, 2014 12:16:12pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

IMHO-
I do not see any reason to think this is being handled anything like when we invaded Iraq to remove Saddam. It’s as if that geography requires the comparison despite a world of difference in circumstance and terror threat to the west. To say nothing of the threat to the locals.

I really resent the false comparison. We need not burden this administration with the anger that belongs with the last admin.

181 Lidane  Sep 23, 2014 12:16:52pm

re: #165 Bulworth

What, you people want evidence of a claim like that?

Kevin Sorbo, the embodiment of RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: conservatism.

182 CuriousLurker  Sep 23, 2014 12:16:58pm

Welp, about an hour ago I returned home from a doctor’s appointment with my PCP, who happens to be a Muslim immigrant. Just before the appointment was over I mentioned ISIS and how awful their actions are. BIG. MISTAKE.

She calmly informed me with absolute certainty that none of those beheadings are actually happening. It’s all theater, a distraction concocted by the media & ZOG to deflect attention from what Isreal has been doing in Gaza, because it started right after that. I just can’t even…

Um… wut?

183 Mattand  Sep 23, 2014 12:17:33pm

re: #178 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

“How are the kids, Morbo?”

“Numerous and belligerent.”

184 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 12:18:16pm

re: #180 Rightwingconspirator

IMHO-
I do not see any reason to think this is being handled anything like when we invaded Iraq to remove Saddam. It’s as if that geography requires the comparison despite a world of difference in circumstance and terror threat to the west. To say nothing of the threat to the locals.

I really resent the false comparison. We need not burden this administration with the anger that belongs with the last admin.

I don’t either because I trust this admin more but OTOH I do understand why Congressmen like Kaine and Van Hollen want this done with Congressional approval. The way Obama handles this will be precedent for how future presidents of both parties will deal with a similiar type situation. I definitely do agree with you about not burdening the present admin with the mistakes of the last one.

185 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 23, 2014 12:19:27pm

The Twitters is having a Derpalanche

186 De Kolta Chair  Sep 23, 2014 12:19:34pm

re: #182 CuriousLurker

Yikes.

187 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 12:19:43pm

re: #182 CuriousLurker

Welp, about an hour ago I returned home from a doctor’s appointment with my PCP, who happens to be a Muslim immigrant. Just before the appointment was over I mentioned ISIS and how awful their actions are. BIG. MISTAKE.

She calmly informed me with absolute certainty that none of those beheadings are actually happening. It’s all theater, a distraction concocted by the media & ZOG to deflect attention from what Isreal has been doing in Gaza, because it started right after that. I just can’t even…

Um… wut?

Everyone’s a conspiracy theorist sigh.

188 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 23, 2014 12:19:49pm

re: #182 CuriousLurker

Welp, about an hour ago I returned home from a doctor’s appointment with my PCP, who happens to be a Muslim immigrant. Just before the appointment was over I mentioned ISIS and how awful their actions are. BIG. MISTAKE.

She calmly informed me with absolute certainty that none of those beheadings are actually happening. It’s all theater, a distraction concocted by the media & ZOG to deflect attention from what Isreal has been doing in Gaza, because it started right after that. I just can’t even…

Um… wut?

Really hurts to see someone in a profession that is supposed to be heavily sunk in the concepts of logic, science, and evidence being completely convinced that certain outlandish conspiracies have to be true since it supports their worldview or particular pet opinion on a certain subject.

189 EPR-radar  Sep 23, 2014 12:20:08pm

re: #182 CuriousLurker

A pointed reminder that many more than US wingnuts choose what they want to believe without any regard for reality.

190 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 23, 2014 12:20:13pm

re: #182 CuriousLurker

Oof. Never ask her about 9/11.

191 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 12:20:39pm

re: #185 Pie-onist Overlord

The Twitters is having a Derpalanche

[Embedded content]

Yeah because no president has ever ordered an attack, Derp for breakfast ever. And if they want egotistical, they should listen to their own past nominees.

192 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 23, 2014 12:21:06pm

Oh wow @Lessgov4me has TEH MOAST PATRIOTIC TWITTER PROFILE EVER EVER!!!! LOOK AT ALL TEH FLAGS, EAGLES, & COLONIAL DUDES!!!!!!!!

193 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2014 12:21:25pm

re: #185 Pie-onist Overlord

The Twitters is having a Derpalanche

[Embedded content]

gee, I suppose Obama should have let the Commander in Chief make that order…

/////////////////

194 De Kolta Chair  Sep 23, 2014 12:21:28pm

re: #185 Pie-onist Overlord

As opposed to a self-deprecating Dictator? //

195 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 12:21:44pm

re: #189 EPR-radar

A pointed reminder that many more than US wingnuts choose what they want to believe without any regard for reality.

My own cousin, pretty left wing at least domestically is one of the most hateful people towards Muslims that I know left or right. I’ve given up any hope of engaging him because it’s futile as hell.

196 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 12:22:19pm

re: #194 De Kolta Chair

As opposed to a self-deprecating Dictator? //

Mao was the Henny Youngmann of the dictators. Take my wife, please.

197 CuriousLurker  Sep 23, 2014 12:23:03pm

re: #188 Feline Fearless Leader

Really hurts to see someone in a profession that is supposed to be heavily sunk in the concepts of logic, science, and evidence being completely convinced that certain outlandish conspiracies have to be true since it supports their worldview or particular pet opinion on a certain subject.

Indeed. She’s a really good doctor too—knows her shit—but when it comes to politics, yikes! Never gonna broach that subject again.

198 Testy Toad T  Sep 23, 2014 12:23:18pm

re: #185 Pie-onist Overlord

The Twitters is having a Derpalanche

[Embedded content]

I would pay real American dollars to the internet tube of your choice to actually see Obama come out and give a speech like that.

POTUS looks faaaabulous!

199 EPR-radar  Sep 23, 2014 12:23:27pm

re: #195 HappyWarrior

My own cousin, pretty left wing at least domestically is one of the most hateful people towards Muslims that I know left or right. I’ve given up any hope of engaging him because it’s futile as hell.

Out of curiosity, is this anti-religion taken to unreasonable extremes (like some of the anti-muslim trolls that get the boot here), or something else?

200 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 23, 2014 12:23:36pm

Because Photoshopping Obama’s face on Il Duce PROVES TAHT HE IS EXACTLY LIKE IL DUCE AND YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM & HIS GIRLFRIEND!!!!!11!!!

201 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 12:23:47pm

I am honestly at the point where I don’t talk politics with people because I never know what to expect.

202 Bubblehead II  Sep 23, 2014 12:23:55pm

re: #167 KiTA

Ya know, in the future, when we discover who is bankrolling Greenwald, we’re all going to look back at all this shit and realize it all suddenly makes sense.

We know who funds him.

The Intercept is an online publication launched in February 2014 by First Look Media, the news organization created and funded by eBay founder Pierre Omidyar

203 Mike Lamb  Sep 23, 2014 12:23:56pm

re: #185 Pie-onist Overlord

The Twitters is having a Derpalanche

[Embedded content]

They’re just used to the VP giving the orders…or do they still not acknowledge the Shrub Years?

204 EPR-radar  Sep 23, 2014 12:24:15pm

re: #198 Testy Toad T

I would pay real American dollars to the internet tube of your choice to actually see Obama come out and give a speech like that.

POTUS looks faaaabulous!

Needs a bright red full-length cape for the full effect.

205 Mattand  Sep 23, 2014 12:24:32pm

re: #185 Pie-onist Overlord

Three guesses what Bush’s first three words are in this speech from Oct. 2001.

206 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 23, 2014 12:24:33pm

re: #182 CuriousLurker

Welp, about an hour ago I returned home from a doctor’s appointment with my PCP, who happens to be a Muslim immigrant. Just before the appointment was over I mentioned ISIS and how awful their actions are. BIG. MISTAKE.

She calmly informed me with absolute certainty that none of those beheadings are actually happening. It’s all theater, a distraction concocted by the media & ZOG to deflect attention from what Isreal has been doing in Gaza, because it started right after that. I just can’t even…

Um… wut?

Ugh that’s right up there with Africans saying the doctors are injecting people with Ebola. Yikes. BTW, what is the preferred acronym for ISIS? ISIL? I hate to use IS. It’s more of a califake than caliphate or state.

207 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 23, 2014 12:25:00pm

OUTRAGEOUTRAGEOUTRAGEOUTRAGEOUTRAGEOUTRAGE!!!!!11TY

208 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 12:25:02pm

re: #199 EPR-radar

Out of curiosity, is this anti-religion taken to unreasonable extremes (like some of the anti-muslim trolls that get the boot here), or something else?

He’s really anti-religion period but it’s especially anti-Muslim since he wishes violence on the whole global Muslim community. Not intellectual criticism. Plus the dude uses “see you next tuesday” more than a British gangster film. I try not to be too aggressive with the guy because he’s got serious health problems too.

209 Eventual Carrion  Sep 23, 2014 12:25:27pm

re: #192 Pie-onist Overlord

Oh wow @Lessgov4me has TEH MOAST PATRIOTIC TWITTER PROFILE EVER EVER!!!! LOOK AT ALL TEH FLAGS, EAGLES, & COLONIAL DUDES!!!!!!!!

With an Australian carrying the flag.

210 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 12:25:56pm

re: #207 Pie-onist Overlord

OUTRAGEOUTRAGEOUTRAGEOUTRAGEOUTRAGEOUTRAGE!!!!!11TY

[Embedded content]

Too bad he wasn’t blowing his nose on the flag like Reagan did.

211 krypto  Sep 23, 2014 12:26:33pm

Obama Did Earn That Nobel Peace Prize after all
He was the first person in history to turn so many war-mongering rightwingers into zealous anti-war pacifists.

212 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 23, 2014 12:26:58pm

re: #210 HappyWarrior

Too bad he wasn’t blowing his nose on the flag like Reagan did.

Reagan spit on the flag and wingnuts spam that picture with worship.

213 CuriousLurker  Sep 23, 2014 12:27:28pm

re: #190 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Oof. Never ask her about 9/11.

I know, right? Sheesh. I was momentarily speechless, at which point she said we were all done and marched up to the front desk to give her assistants my referrals & scrips.

214 Patricia Kayden  Sep 23, 2014 12:27:45pm

re: #182 CuriousLurker

Wish that were true. You should have asked her where are the beheaded journalists then? Although I guess she believes they weren’t actually beheaded.

215 CuriousLurker  Sep 23, 2014 12:28:27pm

re: #189 EPR-radar

A pointed reminder that many more than US wingnuts choose what they want to believe without any regard for reality.

Exactly.

216 Patricia Kayden  Sep 23, 2014 12:29:22pm

re: #205 Mattand

[Embedded content]

Three guesses what Bush’s first three words are in this speech from Oct. 2001.

A Dictator who won the majority of the votes in two highly contested national elections. Right.

217 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 12:29:31pm

re: #212 Pie-onist Overlord

Reagan spit on the flag and wingnuts spam that picture with worship.

WHAT A PRESIDENT SHOULD BE!!!!!!!!!! Seriously they accuse the left of worshiping Obama while they I swear to you would sacrifice their first born to bring their idea of Reagan back.

218 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 23, 2014 12:29:51pm

re: #214 Patricia Kayden

Wish that were true. You should have asked her where are the beheaded journalists then? Although I guess she believes they weren’t actually beheaded.

Together with all those people from Flight 77.

219 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 23, 2014 12:30:07pm

re: #214 Patricia Kayden

Wish that were true. You should have asked her where are the beheaded journalists then? Although I guess she believes they weren’t actually beheaded.

false flag, you know. They have all sorts of non-journalists standing by for that sort of thing….

//

220 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 12:30:20pm

A dictator who has not banned a single political party his time in office. A dictator whose opposition party controls the major house of Congress. Man he’s either a sucky dictator or you know not a dictator.

221 gwangung  Sep 23, 2014 12:30:57pm

re: #168 Mike Lamb

I believe it’s the director of most of Fast and Furious franchise.

Justin Lin

222 calochortus  Sep 23, 2014 12:31:29pm

re: #142 Bubblehead II

Thanks. Need some input on a pasta machine.

Marcato Atlas Wellness 150 Pasta Maker, Stainless Steel

Is it worth it?

The under $30.00 units have a lot of negative reviews

I have one that works fine, although the handle tends to work its way out as you turn. You might try ebay. Lots and lots of people buy them (or got them as wedding gifts) and don’t use them.

223 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 23, 2014 12:32:08pm

re: #220 HappyWarrior

Look at the wingnut accusations and you know what they themselves would do.

224 CuriousLurker  Sep 23, 2014 12:32:57pm

re: #214 Patricia Kayden

Wish that were true. You should have asked her where are the beheaded journalists then? Although I guess she believes they weren’t actually beheaded.

Maybe she thinks they’ve been issued new identities and are living happily in Tel Aviv? //

225 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 12:34:03pm

re: #223 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Look at the wingnut accusations and you know what they themselves would do.

Right. Considering many of them idolize Putin, Pinochet, etc.

226 Bulworth  Sep 23, 2014 12:34:52pm

re:
#220

A dictator who has not banned a single political party his time in office. A dictator whose opposition party controls the major house of Congress. Man he’s either a sucky dictator or you know not a dictator.

It’s his PLANS, man. It’s what could happen. It’s what he wants to do. Wake up, sheeple!

It’s what Obama NSA could do!

227 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 23, 2014 12:35:43pm

re: #220 HappyWarrior

Nor confiscated a single gun, in fact on his watch the second amendment was finally confirmed as an individual right. Some leftist he is. ///

228 CuriousLurker  Sep 23, 2014 12:36:28pm

re: #206 Rightwingconspirator

Ugh that’s right up there with Africans saying the doctors are injecting people with Ebola. Yikes. BTW, what is the preferred acronym for ISIS? ISIL? I hate to use IS. It’s more of a califake than caliphate or state.

Yeah, it’s nutso.

ISIS/ISIL—I don’t think it matters. I don’t like IS either, but I love califake! Maybe we can change it to caliphake. LOL

229 HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2014 12:37:20pm

re: #227 Rightwingconspirator

Nor confiscated a single gun, in fact on his watch the second amendment was finally confirmed as an individual right. Some leftist he is. ///

Yeah the Obama the gun-grabber meme is just shit. Really if people think Obama is a dictator, then I would suggest to them that they don’t know a dictatorship from their asshole.

230 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 23, 2014 12:37:59pm

re: #228 CuriousLurker

Yeah, it’s nutso.

ISIS/ISIL—I don’t think it matters. I don’t like IS either, but I love califake! Maybe we can change it to caliphake. LOL

#caliphake it is!

231 jaunte  Sep 23, 2014 12:40:00pm

232 gwangung  Sep 23, 2014 12:40:55pm

re: #229 HappyWarrior

Yeah the Obama the gun-grabber meme is just shit. Really if people think Obama is a dictator, then I would suggest to them that they don’t know a dictatorship from their asshole.

Well, they don’t know communism from a hole in the ground…..

233 Bubblehead II  Sep 23, 2014 12:43:33pm

re: #222 calochortus

I have one that works fine, although the handle tends to work its way out as you turn. You might try ebay. Lots and lots of people buy them (or got them as wedding gifts) and don’t use them.

Thanks. If we go with that brand I will probably spring for the motor as well. Reviews said adding it made easier for one person to use it. Another plus is the additional attachments you can get for it

234 Dr Lizardo  Sep 23, 2014 12:47:40pm

re: #206 Rightwingconspirator

Ugh that’s right up there with Africans saying the doctors are injecting people with Ebola. Yikes. BTW, what is the preferred acronym for ISIS? ISIL? I hate to use IS. It’s more of a califake than caliphate or state.

I just call them Khawarij.

From their essentially political position, the Kharijites developed extreme doctrines that further set them apart from both mainstream Sunni and Shi⯺ Muslims. The Kharijites were particularly noted for adopting a radical approach to Takfir, whereby they declared other Muslims to be unbelievers and therefore deemed them worthy of death.

en.wikipedia.org

235 dholmes32  Sep 23, 2014 1:05:48pm

re: #90 HappyWarrior

I really am starting to think the only thing that would make the Obama is ebil people happy would be a Charles I/Louis XVI style show trial. This isn’t disagreement. This is pure old hatred.

I think some Obama haters would prefer to go with that old-time Southern US “solution” to “uppity” black people. They are just that deranged. It’s disgusting.

236 urbanmeemaw  Sep 23, 2014 4:51:43pm

re: #67 WhatEVs

I don’t know if that is true. Didn’t he support George W. Bush’s excellent adventures? Maybe I am misrememberin’.

He did support invasion of Iraq. His stance on US intervention is dependent upon the race of the President advocating for it.

237 Predaka  Sep 24, 2014 3:47:07pm

From the likes of Alex Jones, a Syrian conspiracy theorist posts her objections to the airstrikes.

Youtube Video


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