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1 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:22:02pm

I don't care if they can't accept their guilt. The fact remains that the bombing were justified. About the most acceptance I can give to the Japanese is: "You're entitled to your wrong opinion."

2 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:33:15pm

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

I don't care if they can't accept their guilt. The fact remains that the bombing were justified. About the most acceptance I can give to the Japanese is: "You're entitled to your wrong opinion."

How many Japanese would have been killed in an invasion of Japan?

3 captdiggs  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 7:57:52pm

Before everyone gets too teary eyed, let's not forget that the Japanese killed millions.
In Nanking, China alone, some 300,000 died at the hands of the Japanese. The Japanese also used hundreds of thousands as slaves, most dying as a result of their treatment. Tens of thousands of women prisoners were assigned to brothel duty to service the Japanese troops.

4 HelloDare  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 8:54:00pm

The battle of Okinawa ended about a month and a half before Hiroshima. Imagine what would have happened if we had invaded the Japanese mainland.

The attack on Okinawa had taken a heavy toll on both sides. The Americans lost 7,373 men killed and 32,056 wounded on land. At sea, the Americans lost 5,000 killed and 4,600 wounded. The Japanese lost 107,000 killed and 7,400 men taken prisoner. It is possible that the Japanese lost another 20,000 dead as a result of American tactics whereby Japanese troops were incinerated where they fought.

Some estimates of casualties are higher. The Japanese didn't surrender after Hiroshima. A bomb was dropped on Nagasaki three days later. Even then, it took the Japanese six days to surrender.

5 sapphire67  Fri, Aug 6, 2010 11:20:22pm

it is curious how many would like to change history. nevertheless conservative estimates of American casualties for the invasion of the Japanese home islands is 30k per month, and 70k per month for the Japanese. the complete subjugation of japan was thought to take at least 2 years minimum. keep in mind that the invasion of japan would have lead to more resistance from the Japanese public in the form of guerrilla warfare. this is due to the ill will that this type of operation tends to facilitate. this would have raised casualties on both sides during the period of occupation. their are estimates that go quite a bit higher then those numbers.

6 Curt  Sat, Aug 7, 2010 10:55:13am

Late tot he comment party, but the reality is, as shown in the declassified intercepts of the diplomatic messages between Berlin and Tokyo, the Japanese leadership had prepared and stages plans for the entire population to fight to the death. Regardless of the horror, and thank God it has kept any nation (thus far) from doing it again, it most likely, beyond a doubt, saved not only millions of Allied casualties, but Japanese society and culture as a whole.

How much less of a world community would we be without that voice among us?

And, if you want to ask what else was stopped, read "The Fly Boys" and be disgusted at using Chinese civilians by the thousands upon thousands for bayonet and beheading practice.

Next time you get teary eyed over the deaths from Hiroshima and Nagasaki, ask what was done to deserve that. Not pretty at all, but when mom, dad and the kids all ran towards troops with china orbs full of explosives, we'd have resorted to gunning down civilians be the droves, just to stop the madness. I saw two of those orbs on a pen and pencil set of a man who was stationed at Sasebo in the 80s. They were made without paperwork, by Noritake, and dumped into the harbor to hide them. When dredging operations years later discovered them, the only way they found out was doing interviews with the people who had lived there during the war.

The dropping of the bobms were a direct result of the militant leadership, out seeking to build an empire and exploit the local populations for their own profit.

7 Curt  Sat, Aug 7, 2010 11:08:03am

freetoken:


We cannot presume that people in other nations will ever accept common American viewpoints. Why should they?

As we have had to come to grips with things in our own country such as slavery, and then we have a number of people who have applauded the President for apologizing all over the world, just when are we to expect other nations to adopt this model and honestly face their parts in acts of evil?

Quit the crap of the US is evil. It's out of context, and you're either willfully rejecting history, or you are ignorant of it. The brutality of the Japanese on the Bataan Death March is but a single event of many that is reflective of how the Japanese did "business" in China, Korea, SE Asia and the Pacific Islands.

The Koreans still have a major bone to pick with the Japanese, who kidnapped and enslaved their women as "comfort girls" in traveling camps to provide sex for the troops.

So, random murder, sex slavery, conquering (oh, we didn't conquer them, we defeated them, then helped rebuild a society and country for them, you jackass), exploitation of resources (oil, rubber, metal) isn't enough to ask them to also ante up their own apology to the World?

Those who do not know history....

You're one of them.

If you're going to get on your soapbox, be factually and I could care less about how you "feel" about it.

Go ahead, send your legions of friends to down ding me. It's worth getting reality and truth out on the table aroiund here.

8 freetoken  Sat, Aug 7, 2010 7:09:03pm

re: #7 Curt

freetoken:

[...]
Those who do not know history...

You're one of them.

You're reading a lot into one little sentence of mine.


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