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1 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 11, 2011 3:55:21am

A)

(I use the term “double anonymous” because no usernames are displayed for those who click the “plus” or “minus” button)

This isn't true. Just click on the number next to the +/- buttons, and you'll see who said it.


B)

It’s like a virtual school bully who attracted a few low self-esteem classmates to egg him on.

Do you feel any sense of irony in slinging around insults like that while calling for a return to civility?

C) Basically, you're saying that Charles is failing your standards for moderation on the website. You're saying comments 'should' have been deleted. Your entire commentary here isn't really towards the community in general. Why did you make a page about this, if what you're saying is that comments should have been deleted? That seems to be your actual problem; the moderation, not the self-moderation.

2 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  Fri, Feb 11, 2011 4:07:55am

re: #1 Obdicut

A)

This isn't true. Just click on the number next to the +/- buttons, and you'll see who said it.

Thank you for calling this to my attention. I stand corrected.

B)


Do you feel any sense of irony in slinging around insults like that while calling for a return to civility?

Yes, I see the irony.


C) Basically, you're saying that Charles is failing your standards for moderation on the website. You're saying comments 'should' have been deleted. Your entire commentary here isn't really towards the community in general. Why did you make a page about this, if what you're saying is that comments should have been deleted? That seems to be your actual problem; the moderation, not the self-moderation.

You're putting words in my mouth.

3 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Feb 11, 2011 4:08:20am

I've seen comments get deleted even when they had positive karma, if they were outrageous and rude enough.

That being said, I don't think it's a bad idea for all of us to moderate ourselves a little more, especially when we know we have a temper. (I'm thinking of myself here and my own failings.)

Civility is good. Rough language is too, just not when it discourages debate or keeps people from commenting.

4 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Feb 11, 2011 4:12:09am

I should also add, I don't think WTF? is aggressive.

5 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 11, 2011 4:13:06am

re: #2 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey

You're putting words in my mouth.

No, I'm not. Your complaints are about the moderation of the site, and comments not being deleted.

I have pretty much the opposite attitude from you. I wish people would put more thoughts into their comments before typing them out. I wish people wouldn't troll, writing comments especially designed to provoke. I think both of these are much, much larger issues than easily-shrugged off words like 'jerk'.

6 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  Fri, Feb 11, 2011 4:16:23am

re: #5 Obdicut

I wish people would put more thoughts into their comments before typing them out..

I agree with you. I'm not perfect in this regard.

7 freetoken  Fri, Feb 11, 2011 4:24:29am

LGF has traditionally shown great forbearance in allowing people to express themselves. Interpersonal squabbles are not conducive to building constructive discussions, but a heavy hand in moderating such tiffs also works against people finding their way through letting themselves get to the real issues.

Any truly violent, as in approval of or encouragement of violence, gets deleted quickly (along with spam, personal information, etc.)

I think it is too much to ask LGF to be babysit. This is supposed to be an adult room, and compared to many places on the internet LGF does indeed lean towards the more responsible. People do get warnings, and over time if they don't take them seriously do lose their account.

8 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Feb 11, 2011 4:39:53am

re: #7 freetoken

I don't think there is any other site of comparable size that gets moderated as closely and as well as this one. At all!

9 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 11, 2011 4:52:16am

I've been here a long time and from my perspective it's expected that lizards have thick skins. While ad hom is always weak argument, passion behind your position is expected. Occasional insults will fly, and are usually ignored since nobody has time to exhaustively read every comment from the view of a "sensitive" person. Comments usually start getting deleted when they go way over the top, become persistent (in other words there's a thread to thread vendetta/feud going on which has nothing to do with what's truly being debated.)

"Jerk" is pretty light as insults go around here, and it could be up or down dinged depending on how valid the insult is, or it could get dinged up or down based on a clique group or following for or against one commenter or another.

If you can't stand a bit of head butting and acrimony then you don't belong here, on the other hand if you sling it too much then you have weak weak weak debate skilz, and you probably don't belong here either. Discussions are almost always better and more open and instructive when the acrimony is kept to a minimum.

10 Bob Levin  Fri, Feb 11, 2011 11:57:32am

re: #7 freetoken

re: #9 Thanos

I think you both have excellent points. However, I don't think skin gets quite that thick. I read the comments and responses--yesterday (I don't get on the threads as they are developing, usually, too much happening too fast), and I find that people are sensitive.

I don't think sensitivity is a bad thing. It goes with passion. No one says, 'hey, that hurt my feelings', but it's clear that feelings are hurt, misunderstandings multiply, invectives fly.

There's nothing Charles can do about this other than let us work it out--nevertheless, it wouldn't hurt to recognize that as tough as folks want to appear, sensitivity seems to be the default setting.

11 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 11, 2011 12:00:32pm

re: #2 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey

Thank you for calling this to my attention. I stand corrected.

...snip

See--you get to apologize again and get updinged again.


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