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1 eightyfiv  Sun, Jul 10, 2011 2:06:51pm

This is indeed a common kludge. Even Google does it too, for certain applications. It sucks, and there's obviously a better way, it just doesn't happen to be easy or cheap (i.e., not free as in free beer) when you are small.

Stonebraker is notorious for bravado, exaggeration, and "tooting his own horn", though, so take the "death trap" epithet with a grain of salt. It hasn't killed Google's advertising systems yet, either.

It's also not the only growing pains kludge these companies get themselves into. Facebook engineering higher-ups have described PHP (and not MySQL) to me as their single biggest technological albatross. The HipHip compiler is their latest and greatest kludge attempting to get that under control.

2 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Jul 10, 2011 2:22:08pm

In Stonebraker’s opinion, “old SQL (as he calls it) is good for nothing” and needs to be “sent to the home for retired software.” After all, he explained, SQL was created decades ago before the web, mobile devices and sensors forever changed how and how often databases are accessed.

Has anyone told Oracle yet?

3 eightyfiv  Sun, Jul 10, 2011 3:41:15pm

re: #2 Conservative Moonbat

Stonebraker's still bitter that his Quel got beaten out by IBM's SQL back in the '80s. He misses no opportunity trash-talk. :P

4 Jaerik  Sun, Jul 10, 2011 4:56:11pm

It's not MySQL's fault. It's about as good as they come where relational databases are concerned. Same with MSSQL and Oracle.

The problem is, a lot of what people do online these days doesn't require data to be relational. Document-oriented DB's like Mongo, key-value stores like Redis, etc, are sometimes a much better fit for certain applications, especially text-heavy simple lookups.

There's really no need to invite the overhead of a relational DB when you're never going to be doing those kinds of operations. The problem is finding developers who know anything but LAMP.


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