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1 Bob Levin  Tue, Jul 26, 2011 3:20:20pm

That's a brilliant insight. Let me add one, which you can see on the faces of Nazis. The Stone stare, as if their face were but a mask hiding a brick wall behind the skin. As you stated, they are content, if not proud of their ability to become dis-associative--to 'be at peace', to 'be hard as a rock' inside. This is not a skill that is learned overnight, but is one more tragic side affect of child abuse. Perhaps the more accurate word would be the evil side affect of child abuse.

2 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 26, 2011 4:45:21pm

re: #1 Bob Levin

I know exactly the look you're referring to! It never occurred to me that such a skill might be a side effect of child abuse, but it makes sense when you think about about the battle-weary soldiers mentioned above.

As for the insight, thanks. I've always been fascinated by watching people, especially their faces. I enjoy not only trying to read their emotions, but also trying to guess their ethnicity. It can be quite a fun game here on the East Coast where there is so much diversity.

Additionally, the ability to read faces & body language/intent is an important skill in certain jobs, one of which I had for many years, as it can literally mean the the difference between staying alive & healthy or getting seriously injured or killed.

OT: Didn't you mention something in one of the other Pages about having just returned from vacation in Israel? I ask becuase I've read a couple of interesting articles lately that I'd like to run by someone without posting them as Pages. Let me know if you feel like taking a look (if you're busy and would rather not, I completely understand).

3 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jul 26, 2011 4:47:56pm

I had to "favorite" this one. Good job CL!

4 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 26, 2011 4:56:33pm

re: #3 reine.de.tout

I'm glad you liked it! Once you learn to recognize it, it's unforgettable. I'm convinced if I searched Google images for various serial killers, assassins, and terrorists I'd find scads of examples.

//"scads"? Where did I get that from? I haven't used that word in years. O_o

5 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jul 26, 2011 5:08:21pm

re: #4 CuriousLurker

I'm glad you liked it! Once you learn to recognize it, it's unforgettable. I'm convinced if I searched Google images for various serial killers, assassins, and terrorists I'd find scads of examples.

//"scads"? Where did I get that from? I haven't used that word in years. O_o

Here's one in whose face I saw that gaze, always.

Wish you could flip and include that photo in that cool image melding thing you did.

6 Bob Levin  Tue, Jul 26, 2011 5:27:31pm

re: #2 CuriousLurker

Of course I'll take a look. No problem. And we did just get back from Israel. Physically. ;-)

Additionally, the ability to read faces & body language/intent is an important skill in certain jobs, one of which I had for many years, as it can literally mean the the difference between staying alive & healthy or getting seriously injured or killed.

Were you like a prison guard or something?

7 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 26, 2011 5:32:09pm

Evil comes in different packages, but it's still evil. I think some of Ted Bundy's photos showed that look.

8 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jul 26, 2011 5:36:01pm

re: #7 _RememberTonyC

Evil comes in different packages, but it's still evil. I think some of Ted Bundy's photos showed that look.

I agree.
A few other mass murderers, as well.

9 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 26, 2011 5:43:13pm

re: #5 reine.de.tout

Here's one in whose face I saw that gaze, always.

Wish you could flip and include that photo in that cool image melding thing you did.

I wish I could include it too. It would be easy to do, but then the file would be too big for the service I'm using to host it. :-(

10 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 26, 2011 5:47:17pm

re: #7 _RememberTonyC

Evil comes in different packages, but it's still evil. I think some of Ted Bundy's photos showed that look.

Most definitely. *shudder*

11 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 26, 2011 6:10:38pm

re: #6 Bob Levin

And we did just get back from Israel. Physically. ;-)

Well, then I welcome your physical self back. :-)

Were you like a prison guard or something?

No, nothing law enforcement related. I'd rather not be more specific here on the blog, y'know?

Of course I'll take a look. No problem.

Great! Thanks.

From last week: King's Torah splits Israel's religious and secular Jews
The reason I'm asking about the accuracy this one is because it's from the BBC and you guys say they aren't always fair towards Israel. I later found an earlier (and shorter) article from CNN about the same rabbis.

From earlier today: Left For Dead
This was is about the supposed death of the Israeli right. I know you warned me about how complicated Israeli politics is, but the author places a good portion of the blame on Russian immigrants and imported American political consultants. In light of all the recent conversations about multiculturalism, it caught my interest. I'm curious what you think of it.

12 Bob Levin  Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:03:15pm

re: #11 CuriousLurker

Ah, well this is no small task. But here we go.

One of the constants in Israeli politics is the legal conflict--between two sets of lawyers. One set of lawyers is the rabbis. That's really what they do, make legal rulings, sit on Beis Dinim (courts based on Talmudic Civil Law), and interpret the Torah through legal eyes. They do this so much that many regular Jews are under the impression that the Torah is only a legal code.

The other set of lawyers are those of the secular state, magistrates, the Supreme Court, regular lawyers. Who has authority over whom? On the one hand, the Torah scholars have a higher ranking, given so much honor afforded Torah scholars in scripture. On the other hand, Israel is a secular state precisely because the entire apparatus needed for Torah scholars (the Temple, the Sanhedrin, a wise ruler) doesn't exist. And there is the dictum, for exile, that the law of the land is the law. And as long as the Shechinah (the feminine aspect of Gd) is in exile, all Jews are in exile. The Shechinah is still in exile.

So the issue about the King's Torah isn't about the book at all, but rather, does the state have the power to force the rabbis to obey secular legal documents? This division isn't ending until the exile is over.

Is the King's Torah a significant book? Probably not, unless you have a wobbly table. Now, regarding the content of the book. Jewish legal debates are...uh...free wheeling. LGF is tame in comparison. The best analogy I can think of is from baseball, where the game you see in the stands is so so much different from the game on the field. In the stands the game looks slower, it looks like you can play it. You can't. So the moral indignation is an indication of great misunderstanding. And there isn't any way someone from Oxford or Cambridge, or Harvard is going to get it. Nor will they be able to jump into the fray and stay on topic, or follow the discussion.

13 Bob Levin  Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:31:02pm

re: #11 CuriousLurker

Now let's do Left for Dead.

One of the things most striking about Israel is that it's really just a city spread out over the area of a small country. The population is so small, and the land is so harsh--it's amazing to see things growing, it's amazing to see a city like Tel Aviv. So, basically, there's this city at the farthest edge of the old Ottoman Empire, and the neighboring countries are intent on wiping out this one city. There are rockets to the north, rockets flying in from the west, and a corrupt and dangerous political culture to the east.

Israelis are in this unconscious survival mode, a heightened mode. And yet, life moves along quite calmly. This is some contradiction. When we first drove past the Knesset, the cab driver called it the zoo. In many ways, the country is always fighting the War of 1812. Now, in the War of 1812, the US was losing, was on the verge of being re-conquered by the British, when this huge tornado arose and blew the British back out to sea, and for all practical purposes, back home.

Israel is always in that position, and the tornado has always comes, and Israel survives. I can't comment on what greater purpose the Russians are serving, nor can I comment that they now have the same political ads that we do--but only for a few weeks. I'm just not wise enough to understand. Will the Russians do this oppressive tyrant thing over Israeli politics and the inhabitants of Gaza and the West Bank? No way.

I should also point out that outside of politics, everyone seems to be in this hyper-capitalist, hyper-tech, hyper-artistic mode that is astounding. Everywhere we looked, the word 'miracle', cropped up very quickly. Like Jack Buck said, calling Kirk Gibson's home run in the 1988 World Series, "I don't believe what I just saw."

The fact is, if it weren't for everyone trying to destroy Israel, it wouldn't make the news. This is a place where it really would be front page news that grass grew.

14 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 11:37:58am

re: #12 Bob Levin

Ah, well this is no small task. But here we go.…

Many thanks for taking time out of your day to read the article and provide such a thorough response. It is tremendously helpful to be provided with some context, especially with regard to such a complex subject.

On the other hand, Israel is a secular state precisely because the entire apparatus needed for Torah scholars (the Temple, the Sanhedrin, a wise ruler) doesn't exist. And there is the dictum, for exile, that the law of the land is the law. And as long as the Shechinah (the feminine aspect of Gd) is in exile, all Jews are in exile. The Shechinah is still in exile.

I find this extremely interesting. I'll definitely seek more info on it.

Now, regarding the content of the book. Jewish legal debates are...uh...free wheeling. LGF is tame in comparison. The best analogy I can think of is from baseball, where the game you see in the stands is so so much different from the game on the field. In the stands the game looks slower, it looks like you can play it. You can't. So the moral indignation is an indication of great misunderstanding. And there isn't any way someone from Oxford or Cambridge, or Harvard is going to get it. Nor will they be able to jump into the fray and stay on topic, or follow the discussion.

Heh, tame in comparison indeed. It's the same with Islamic debates because of the depth & breadth of specialized knowledge involved.

15 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 11:40:22am

re: #13 Bob Levin

Now let's do Left for Dead.

As with the above, many thanks for this response. You rock! ;o)

16 Bob Levin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 11:42:13am

re: #14 CuriousLurker

I honestly do not understand why there are spiritual differences between Jews and Muslims, any more than there are differences among Jews.

17 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 11:58:08am

re: #16 Bob Levin

I don't either. *sigh* Human imperfection I suppose...the constant struggle with our dual nature, the never ending tug-of-war between the lower worldly self and and the higher spiritual self. The light of the latter struggles to free itself and soar, seeking reunion with its source, while the tentacles of the former wrap around it and drag it back into the muck. It's all a big test I guess.

18 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 2:06:42pm

HEY, CL, I see your new photo merge - wow. Good job.

19 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 2:37:38pm

Anders Breivik is the secret identity of this "super hero" (I really don't know what the "super power" is)


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