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1 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 28, 2011 2:01:57pm

Damn, I was really hoping the Libyans weren't going to fuck this up.

2 BishopX  Sun, Aug 28, 2011 2:43:56pm

re: #1 Killgore Trout

Eastern Libya has been a prime recruiting ground for mujaheddin since the days of the soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Lots of these guys came home after doing a stint fighting "colonial oppressors". When the revolution came they were the ones with military experience. What remains to be seen is whether their loyalty to their cause is greater than their loyalty to their people or their country.

3 Randall Gross  Sun, Aug 28, 2011 4:57:07pm

re: #1 Killgore Trout

There are a lot of people who ally with AQ who have entirely different motives than Zawahiri. Some just want to be free from tyranny, some want to become the local tyrant (Mehsuds, Bugtis, etc.) some are tribal nationalists, (like several areas in Pakistan, ) and some are just mercenary. The actual true believers aren't that many in any given country.

4 Timmeh  Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:20:29pm

This is concerning. Especially that he fought alongside Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan.

What is the Tripoli Military Council anyway? Is it part of the new government? How much power does it have and who does it answer to?

5 laZardo  Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:21:32pm

re: #1 Killgore Trout

Damn, I was really hoping the Libyans weren't going to fuck this up.

NATO sponsoring Mujaheddin? Really, it doesn't make sense for it not to fuck up.

6 ProMayaLiberal  Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:22:09pm

re: #1 Killgore Trout

I don't think they will screw up too much. For one, all these little dissparate groups had to hold together for 6+ months to try and bring down Qaddafi (unlike Egypt, which was about 3 weeks).

In addition, much of what was happening with radicalism in Eastern Libya may be more explainable as a result of frustration against an extremely brutal dictatorship. And under Qaddafi, the East suffered disproportionately

One much worse than Egypt or Tunisia.

7 ProMayaLiberal  Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:24:19pm

re: #5 laZardo

Your one-track thought process on this is getting old.

We get it: To you, Genocide and Mass Murder are preferable to intervention.

Also, things get more complicated when you look at details. Not all situations are alike.

8 laZardo  Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:30:05pm

re: #7 ProLifeLiberal

We get it: To you, Genocide and Mass Murder are preferable to intervention.

Wow. Really, I make an observation and you pull this card out of reflex?

We essentially put our trust in a loosely-federated coalition of tribes to take advantage of the opportunity to get rid of a dictator we didn't particularly liked. We could've aided the Bahrainis, but we let Our Friends The Saudis stomp their revolution out.

Really, this reeks of double standards. The alternative wasn't pretty, but compared to this and the eventual discontent that followed our sponsorship in Afghanistan and Iraq, well...

9 ProMayaLiberal  Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:38:25pm

re: #8 laZardo

I'm willing to take the risk of something going wrong.

Things don't always go right. The French Revolution is a good example.

10 laZardo  Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:39:55pm

re: #9 ProLifeLiberal

I'm willing to take the risk of something going wrong.

Things don't always go right. The French Revolution is a good example.

Back in the age of wooden battleships and foot messengers, before airborne machines and AK-47s, the French could still afford to keep their empire.


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