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1 SpaceJesus  Wed, Sep 14, 2011 4:00:27pm

"It stems in part from the changing nature of the country, more right wing, more restrictive, far less liberal, and far less egalitarian."

bingo.

2 researchok  Wed, Sep 14, 2011 4:32:53pm

re: #1 SpaceJesus

"It stems in part from the changing nature of the country, more right wing, more restrictive, far less liberal, and far less egalitarian."

bingo.

I concede you have a valid point, but with one caveat.

Both the right and left in Israel (and for that matter in Europe) are markedly different than the right and left here.

Some comparisons can be drawn but even the Israeli left starts from the premise of security. The profound violence after the Gaza withdrawal mitigated the entire 'can't we all get along crowd' so much so it no longer exists.

The Israeli left wants peace, even a peace that favors the Palestinians, as long as it is of the 'trust but verify' variety.

3 Bob Levin  Wed, Sep 14, 2011 8:50:53pm

re: #1 SpaceJesus

I'm not sure the author of the piece would think you have bingo. It's Benny Morris, an Israeli historian of note, who changed his viewpoint about Middle East politics several years ago. His change made headlines.

He is one of those people who is more right wing, less liberal, and so on. Essentially, he decided that the threats against Israel were rooted in antisemitism, and therefore, pretty close to intractable.

However, like everyone in Israel, he is no farther than a step away from being a socialist. The grandparents of all of the Israeli protesters were most likely socialists. So Benny's statement is simply a description of Israel's transition from socialism to an intense capitalism.

Israel is going to have to make an adjustment, and they will. They are working on it as we speak. It's not making headlines, because Israel is not governed in the same way as Syria and Egypt. Israel has begun to solve their internal problems by setting up communication networks, and the smallness of the country allows the process to resemble ancient Greek democracy.

Therefore, if you compare Israel to the rest of the world, it is more democratic, more egalitarian, more liberal, less restrictive than a vast number of countries in the modern world.


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