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1 freetoken  Sat, Oct 1, 2011 10:10:19pm
The question for her is whether Israel “can and will survive”.

Which is a perfectly valid question, and for the blog writer to take umbrage at that, and how he answers it with a rather narrow and myopic view of how a possible demise could come about, simply shows a raw nerve and not clear analysis.

2 Samson  Sat, Oct 1, 2011 10:36:05pm

re: #1 freetoken

No.

The author is expressing her wishful thinking about the demise of the Jewish state. The fact that it was published during the Jewish New Year - no coincidence I am sure - merely makes it all the more craven.

As the blogger Richard Millett notes:

"...Dejevsky could have written an article about the demise of any country by 2048. Who knows what could have happened to Britain, America or France by then?"

But who among the Independent's readers would be interested in that?

My hopeful response to Mary Dejevsky, The Independent, The Guardian, and everyone else who prays for the destruction of Israel is that written by one of the few commenters on the article who are not blatant anti-semites:

"...Israel will continue to exist despite the wishes of bigoted, self-righteous journalists and their slavering racist followers."

Happy New Year!

3 lostlakehiker  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 12:13:01am

It can be instructive to look at what has happened over the past 50 years. In 1961, there was a nation called South Vietnam. East Pakistan was part of Pakistan. Hong Kong was not part of PR China. Ukraine, Kazakhstan, etc. etc. were all parts of the Soviet Union.

But that's different. In all that time, no instance comes to mind of a nation outright destroyed, rather than put under new management or annexed to another or split from another, but with its population generally staying put.

Some close calls: Bosnia, Kosovo, Cyprus, Tibet, Bangladesh at the hands of was it Yahya Khan? (ruler of W. Pakistan at the time), Cambodia at the hands of its new, and auto-genocidal, government. Others may think of further examples.

It seems that in today's world, the great powers have an arrangement in which boat-rocking is discouraged. Genocide rocks the boat. I'm not being flip here, but some part of relations between states is Machiavellian and it helps, when trying to understand how history goes, to figure how those whose only purposes are Machiavellian may calculate their own interests.

They don't want to die. A boat that doesn't rock is safe for them. And so I conclude that the destruction of Israel is unlikely. The prospect of it happening may whet appetites in certain quarters, but what goes around comes around and all the grownups on the world stage are rightly frightened of a world in which nations can simply be snuffed out.

There is no possibility of a situation such as North Vietnam's conquest of South Vietnam, in which the winner incorporates the loser, intact give or take the usual million murdered when Communists take power. The Arab world would not incorporate the Jews as citizens, even as citizens with inferior rights. So there can be no anodyne end of Israel. This is the nation that inducts its soldiers atop Masada. There will be no surrender. Since Israel is widely understood to have nukes, a conventional military victory for the Arabs is impossible. A commercial victory is just about impossible, because Israel is so productive and inventive. She will always be able to earn her way.

Israel will therefore endure.

4 Bob Levin  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 1:55:49am

What's the topic? It is the original article or the blog post?

For Jews, we live in times that are eerily reminiscent of the 1930s. Racism is not simply confined to the uneducated. It it especially dangerous as it creeps up the intellectual ladder, becoming more mainstream every rung, and therefore, more dangerous, as is the case with the Independent opinion piece. The intellectual smooths out the edges of racism, turns the rawness into an academic question. It legitimizes the thought process, and is one more step towards the racist goals.

On any day of the week, there are multiple articles and editorials in the UK that could easily have been published in Der Sturmer. That might be a better strategy for the blogger, a feature entitled UK Der Sturmer Watch. This particular blog post takes an opinion piece out of this context, and gives the impression that this is just one editorial, not one more straw on a heavily burdened camel.

5 Samson  Sun, Oct 2, 2011 10:10:09am

re: #4 Bob Levin

The topic, as usual, is anti-semitism and hatred of Israel.

That said, there are several sub-topics worth reviewing. These include the author of the article Mary Dejevsky, The Independent, British journalism as a whole and opinion about Israel in general. The issue is not the excellent blogger Richard Millett, by the way, who in my opinion does not go far enough in criticizing Dejevsky's article.

To begin with, the author deserves two thumbs way down for publishing an opinion piece on the demise of Israel on Rosh Hashana. The blogger has it right when he suggests in the title of his post that she and The Independent might just as well have printed a big card reading "Happy New Year Jews - Israel will be dead by 2048!" Am I being too harsh on Mary Dejevsky, "Chief Editorial Writer" for The Independent and described by the newspaper as "one of the country’s most respected commentators on Russia, the EU and the US"? Not really - just look back at this piece she wrote in The Independent several years ago called "The truth about anti-Semitism in Europe":

[Link: www.independent.co.uk...]

in which she manages the classic anti-semitic bait and switch of simultaneously criticizing Israel, minimizing European anti-semitism and then prospectively blaming the Jews for inciting trouble. About anti-semitism in Europe, she says "...The charge is not true, and risks fanning the very flames that the vast majority of us want to extinguish." In other words, she implores the Jews not to accuse Europeans of being anti-semites - if they know what's good for them. And this was back in 2004 - you would think she would have learned something since then.

As for The Independent, let me just point out that this is the home of one Robert Fisk. For those not familiar with him, he is a journalist so consistently and rabidly anti-Israel, and so loose with facts when they don't support his odious goals of vilifying the Jewish state, that a new word was coined in the blogosphere for the line by line refutation of his awful writing. That's right - we call it "fisking". Sure, there are others that dislike his opinions and his writing and that also "fisk" his work, but when it comes to the Jewish State, he has rightfully earned a special place in the pantheon of Israel haters. I'm sure Mary Dejevsky feels right at home at The Independent.

When it comes to Israel, The UK press is mostly just as bad as The Independent, and in the case of The Guardian, even worse. Want to read "UK Der Sturmer Watch"? It's called "CIF Watch", an outstanding blog that follows the anti-Israel and anti-semitic rants of this ostensibly liberal newspaper:

[Link: cifwatch.com...]

Sadly, CIF watch is never lacking for material from The Guardian.

Just to bring this full circle to the opinion article that stimulated this posting, Israel is the only country in the world for whose demise the British press, the western press, the Arab and Muslim press, and for that matter, the UN, constantly pray. No, Mary Dejevsky didn't say "Death to Israel! Death to the Jews!" as they do in so many places around the world, but when "liberal" newpapers such as The Independent publish an article that carefully explains why the Jewish state has no future - on Rosh Hashana no less - I have to question their motives.


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