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1 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 10:44:57pm

What's your problem, kmg? Stop stealth down-dinging and speak up.

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2 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 10:57:49pm

re: #1 CuriousLurker

On second thought, kmg, don't bother speaking up as you and Geller and all the other haters never have anything useful to add.

I do have some news for you and your buddies though: We're as American as you are and have every bit as much right to be and here be proud of who we are as you do. And guess what? We're not leaving, so GET USED TO IT. Or move to some other country more to your liking.

3 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:00:57pm

re: #2 CuriousLurker

And I'll add that some of us converts have already dealt with the bigotry that people like you and Geller spread.

Get used to us. We are staying. We are just as American as you are, maybe even more so.

4 HappyWarrior  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:28:28pm

I am sick of the hostility and questions of loyalty that American Muslims face. It's the same crap that Jewish and Catholic Americans have faced and it's why this needs to end. We need to learn from our mistakes not repeat them and many have done exactly that to Muslim Americans.

5 freetoken  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:47:26pm

Your Discovery video links are broken. Did you try their code for embedding?

6 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:50:39pm

re: #5 freetoken

Your Discovery video links are broken. Did you try their code for embedding?

Hmm, they work fine for me, albeit with ugly scrollbars. Which browser/OS are you using?

7 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:52:47pm

re: #5 freetoken

It looks like all 4 videos will play sequentially in the one window, so I guess I can get rid of the other 3...maybe that will help.

8 freetoken  Sat, Oct 29, 2011 11:56:24pm

re: #6 CuriousLurker

. Which browser/OS are you using?

safari

9 CuriousLurker  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 12:10:04am

re: #8 freetoken

safari

It must be something on your end then. It works fine in Safari on both my Mac & PC. I appreciate the heads-up though.

10 freetoken  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 12:14:55am

re: #9 CuriousLurker

It works in Firefox and Chrome for me, just not in Safari.

11 CuriousLurker  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 12:18:05am

re: #10 freetoken

It works in Firefox and Chrome for me, just not in Safari.

I can't replicate the issue in Safari on either of my systems. I'm waiting for results from Browsershots, so we'll see what happens when they come in.

12 dragonfire1981  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 12:46:37pm

friend of mine: Why don't they make a show called "All American Christian"?

Me: They have that, it's called "19 kids and counting"

13 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 4:10:21pm

Very interesting videos, thanks for posting!

14 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 4:14:21pm

That picture of the Ford Road mosque they keep showing, they don't show all the churches that are on both sides of it.

15 CuriousLurker  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 4:19:55pm

re: #13 Alouette

Very interesting videos, thanks for posting!

You're welcome! I thought of you the moment I heard about it. ;)

It's gonna send Pam into a teeth-gnashing frenzy, which makes me kinda happy. Still, I have to wonder about the families...no matter how much they might be getting paid to to this, it won't make up for the tidal wave of hate they're going to have to deal with. I hope they've steeled themselves for it.

16 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 4:25:09pm

Have you seen the Morgan Spurlock episode with a christian man living with a Muslim family for a month? It was very good.

17 CuriousLurker  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 4:27:35pm

re: #16 Obdicut

Have you seen the Morgan Spurlock episode with a christian man living with a Muslim family for a month? It was very good.

Yes, as a matter of fact I did. It was good indeed. :)

18 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 4:32:47pm

re: #17 CuriousLurker

Yes, as a matter of fact I did. It was good indeed. :)

That first imam was a total dick, but the second one was a sweetheart.

19 Bob Levin  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 10:21:22pm

re: #15 CuriousLurker

Still, I have to wonder about the families...no matter how much they might be getting paid to to this, it won't make up for the tidal wave of hate they're going to have to deal with.

If all of the episodes are like the trailers, I wouldn't expect much hate. I hope it's On Demand.

I haven't forgotten about the St. Louis story--but St. Louis has been pretty busy the last few weeks. (yes!)

20 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 7:11:10am

re: #19 Bob Levin

If all of the episodes are like the trailers, I wouldn't expect much hate. I hope it's On Demand.

I truly hope you're right and I'm wrong. I guess too many years of exposure to the underbelly of the internet along with last year's manufactured mosque hysteria and the ongoing political opportunism in using creeping Sharia to paint all of us as disloyal bogeymen has made me a bit cynical in that regard.

I haven't forgotten about the St. Louis story--but St. Louis has been pretty busy the last few weeks. (yes!)

I was hoping you hadn't. The Google alerts have slowed to an occasional trickle from obscure blogs or "news" sources still pushing the "radical Islamist vigilante street justice comes to America" angle. I haven't received a new alert since 10/23. The last Page I did on it pretty much convinced that it was bogus, nonetheless it would still be interesting to hear what the word on the street inf St. Louis is.

21 Bob Levin  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 2:17:08pm

re: #20 CuriousLurker

I understand the cynicism. I have that too, and unfortunately, I think it's pretty healthy. It's that--what does John Garfield call it, when telling Gregory Peck that he's crazy for taking on the assignment?--set of callouses you have build to face racism.

I just saw a show last night about the evil within us. Basically, Eli Roth produced a show that re-created the Milgram Experiment. Again, about 70% of the subjects killed the guy, or ended up sending him to the hospital.

He also added a section where he went under an MRI and had some blood tests done to determine whether he himself has evil. Cute stunt, but there is a part of the human mind, behind the temples, that reacts with emphathy. This aspect of the mind is never turned on in the case of sadistic killers. And we have seen that it is possible for entire societies to turn this off completely, or turn this off when it comes to certain groups.

This is the kind of show that will help matters. Yet there are other people who are pretty much beyond help. The difficulty is that they have access to universal communication.

The very good news of the Roth show is that when one person shows the ability to confront authority, true authority, then this has a profound ripple effect. Like it or not, our entire culture is built upon us learning to accept authority from people we do not know, but who have certain credentials, certain clothing, certain power over us, no matter how small.

By the way, during the experiment, no one was enjoying the gradually increasing and continual pain they were administering. There was an internal fight, but they ended up pushing the buttons. The older, wiser, poetic phrase for what they were going through--giving away their eyes. They gave their eyes to the authority figure.


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