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1 lostlakehiker  Dec 3, 2011 10:54:42am
He’s the character that Ronald Reagan was trying to play.

Yeah. Reagan called the Soviet Union the “Glorious Empire”. Right.

2 Recreational Birth Control User  Dec 3, 2011 3:16:45pm

HA!

3 cinesimon  Dec 3, 2011 4:08:11pm

Yeah that’s right lahiker: politics really is just one big collection of bumper sticker phrases. The real world has no place in your frame of thought. Right?

4 jvic  Dec 3, 2011 5:00:54pm

George Bush looked in his eyes and saw a good man.

There’s no Constitutional problem: if you can believe that Obama wasn’t born in the USA, you can believe that Putin was.

Draft Putin! V for Vladimir!!

5 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Dec 3, 2011 5:05:11pm

LOOOOL!

6 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Dec 3, 2011 5:06:44pm

I’ve actually seen a lot of admiring comments about Putin on right-wing nutjob sites.

7 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Dec 3, 2011 5:07:07pm

Not quite as economically right-wing as necessary, but the other factors! Think of the possibilities!

Also, you won’t ever have to worry about any other elections either. The eternal Republican rule.

8 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Dec 3, 2011 5:10:33pm

re: #1 lostlakehiker

Yeah. Reagan called the Soviet Union the “Glorious Empire”. Right.

Because it was atheistic. Putin is an upright Orthodox Christian leader under which the benevolent influence of the Russian Orthodox Church has expanded enormously. Yeah, Reagan would hate that.

//

9 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Dec 3, 2011 5:13:26pm

(A moment of seriousness here: Putin is not a religious nut, unlike the Republican candidates. He’s no fundie. I’ll give him that. The expansion of ROC’s undue influence is there, though.)

10 Dark_Falcon  Dec 4, 2011 6:27:37am

re: #4 jvic

George Bush looked in his eyes and saw a good man.

There’s no Constitutional problem: if you can believe that Obama wasn’t born in the USA, you can believe that Putin was.

Draft Putin! V for Vladimir!!

And John McCain remarked that he too had “looked into his [Putin’s] eyes, and seen three letters: a K, a G, and a B.”

But John McCain was only tortured by men whom the KGB trained, so what does that RINO know anyways?

11 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Dec 4, 2011 6:30:16am

re: #10 Dark_Falcon

One of the few things on which I agree with the “new” McCain.

12 Dark_Falcon  Dec 4, 2011 6:32:44am

re: #9 Sergey Romanov

(A moment of seriousness here: Putin is not a religious nut, unlike the Republican candidates. He’s no fundie. I’ll give him that. The expansion of ROC’s undue influence is there, though.)

It’s a strategy on Putin’s part. He believes he needs to increase the non-Muslim* birthrate in Russia and promoting Christianity and its emphasis on children is a way to do that.

*: I don’t intend that to sound bigoted, but right now Muslims in Russia are having children at a higher rate than other cultural groups, and its making ethnic Russians feel threatened. And unlike in Western Europe, Russians would likely be quite willing to embrace ethnic or religious ‘cleansing if they felt themselves “invaded” by those they think hostile.

13 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Dec 4, 2011 6:37:19am

>> The expansion of ROC’s undue influence is there, though.)

> It’s a strategy on Putin’s part. He believes he needs to increase the non-Muslim* birthrate in Russia and promoting Christianity and its emphasis on children is a way to do that.

Um, no, there’s nothing to suggest the link. Moreover, there’s no evidence Putin even thinks in terms of Christians v. Muslims. That’s a frame you’ve taken from European (and a bit of US) politics and applied out of place.

14 Dark_Falcon  Dec 4, 2011 6:41:55am

re: #13 Sergey Romanov

>> The expansion of ROC’s undue influence is there, though.)

> It’s a strategy on Putin’s part. He believes he needs to increase the non-Muslim* birthrate in Russia and promoting Christianity and its emphasis on children is a way to do that.

Um, no, there’s nothing to suggest the link. Moreover, there’s no evidence Putin even thinks in terms of Christians v. Muslims. That’s a frame you’ve taken from European (and a bit of US) politics and applied out of place.

It was a partial extrapolation, both from Putin’s desire to increase the birth rate (I remember reading about that) and the traditional Russian emphasis (even under the USSR) on the ethnic Russian population.

15 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Dec 4, 2011 7:26:30am

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

But the birthrate would be increasing throughout Russia, including Chechnya, Dagestan etc.

This is really one of the sticking points many nationalists have with Putin’s regime. It does have aspects of preferential treatment of Caucasian republics for the sake of stability. Therefore the nationalist opposition’s slogan is “Stop feeding the Caucasus”.

Another point you’re missing is that the problem an average Russian sees is not with religion per se, but with alleged perceived attitudes of Caucasians in mainly ethnically Russian areas, regardless of the Caucasians’ religion. I.e. it’s an ethnic and cultural clash first, religious clash in the last place. There aren’t many frictions with Russianized Muslim Tatars, for example.

16 jvic  Dec 4, 2011 10:49:14am

re: #8 Sergey Romanov

re: #1 lostlakehiker

Yeah. Reagan called the Soviet Union the “Glorious Empire”. Right.

Because it was atheistic. Putin is an upright Orthodox Christian leader under which the benevolent influence of the Russian Orthodox Church has expanded enormously. Yeah, Reagan would hate that.

//

And, among other reasons, because it occupied East Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia the Baltic states, etc.

Deng’s China, too, was atheistic yet US-Chinese relations were businesslike.

17 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Dec 4, 2011 10:59:22am

re: #16 jvic

One could remember all the rw dictators and bad guys the US propped up, e.g. the contras, so it’s not like Reagan was in any position to grandstand.

18 jvic  Dec 4, 2011 11:39:05am

re: #17 Sergey Romanov

One could remember all the rw dictators and bad guys the US propped up, e.g. the contras, so it’s not like Reagan was in any position to grandstand.

“And you are lynching Negroes.”?

You did not address my response to your #8.

19 lostlakehiker  Dec 4, 2011 3:13:45pm

re: #3 cinesimon

Yeah that’s right lahiker: politics really is just one big collection of bumper sticker phrases. The real world has no place in your frame of thought. Right?

This sneering and hateful piece is to you good journalism, good reporting of what Republicans actually think?

In the real world, Ronald Reagan did NOT aspire to make the United States into a nation like Russia is today, a semi-fascist, nominally democratic state where elections are shams and opponents wind up jailed or dead. Where no unfriendly reporting is permitted.

In the real world, today’s Republicans do not admire Vladimir Putin, and do not aspire to making the U.S. like today’s Russia.

In the real world, if we have to cast about for people in U.S. politics who publicly express admiration for the likes of Putin, we have to go to the Hugo Chavez claque. All of whom are leftists.

This nasty article is just a “five minute hate”, and I forebore to predict that it would be popular here. After all, I wouldn’t want to make the charge that lizards are haters, without evidence.

You convict yourselves. This gleeful equation of Republicans with Putinists is the ugliest form of joking, because it’s basically meant to be taken seriously even though it comes cloaked as humor.

If this nation faced the rise of a real Putinist party, the prudent answer would be to suspend the constitution and suppress that party by any means necessary. So, behind this “joke” lies the implicit recommendation that this policy be adopted to deal with today’s Republicans.

20 Interesting Times  Dec 4, 2011 4:25:32pm

re: #19 lostlakehiker

That reminds me - why haven’t you had the courage to answer this?

You’ve been registered since 2006, so I’m curious—were you morally outraged by any of the incendiary & venomous rhetoric that characterized many comments about Islam & Muslims here in the past? If so, did you push back against those people and label this a hate site because of it? Or was that different somehow?


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