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1 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:06:45am

From the first words, Martin Luther.

2 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 4:18:46am

Atheism had nothing to do with 99.9% of victims of Stalin and Hitler. Hitler was not an atheist, Nazi state was not an atheist state. For Commies atheism was a side dish. Stalin was not murdering people for atheistic goals.

3 Charleston Chew  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 6:57:52am

re: #2 Sergey Romanov

Atheists and those that oppose them miss the real issue by focusing on the issue of a deity. The argument over a society believing in a supernatural deity is a red herring. Religion is the real issue, with or without a god, and it's use to organize and control people. Nazism was a religion. Communism was a religion. And Hitler and Stalin were their respective Popes.

4 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 7:12:54am

re: #3 Charleston Chew

That's a bit too wide a definition of religion.

5 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 8:29:35am

Feh. When human beings want to torture and kill one another they'll always find a reason. It's just how we silly apes roll.

6 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:13:12am

Whoa. O_o

7 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 9:14:54am

re: #5 Romantic Heretic

Feh. When human beings want to torture and kill one another they'll always find a reason. It's just how we silly apes roll.

Sure. And ideology is an added bonus for that.

8 Gus  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:12:17am

re: #1 Sergey Romanov

From the first words, Martin Luther.

I am still amazed at the free pass Martin Luther receives despite his writings which was the basis for much of the antisemitism of pre-war Germany. He is idolized to this day.

But the Jews are so hardened that they listen to nothing; though overcome by testimonies they yield not an inch. It is a pernicious race, oppressing all men by their usury and rapine. If they give a prince or magistrate a thousand florins, they extort twenty thousand from the subjects in payment. We must ever keep on guard against them.

That was Martin Luther in 1569.

Also see Martin Luther and antisemitism.

9 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:14:52am

re: #8 Gus 802

It's pretty much because he wasn't much different from the people of his era.

Also, look up John Chrysostom. He's actually a major Christian saint.


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