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1 Michael McBacon  Sun, Apr 15, 2012 11:33:53am

Mr. Condell may be pro-Israel but he's anti-Muslim.

2 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Apr 15, 2012 11:40:25am

Your response is knee-jerk at best. Condell is anti-fascist.

3 Randall Gross  Sun, Apr 15, 2012 12:24:18pm

re: #2 Eclectic Infidel

Until it comes to Muslims, the cognitive dissonance is there with this bigot and we've had this conversation before.

4 Buck  Sun, Apr 15, 2012 1:35:26pm

re: #3 Randall Gross

Until it comes to Muslims, the cognitive dissonance is there with this bigot and we've had this conversation before.

Maybe if you included a link or example you could be taken more seriously. Otherwise it just seems like you are simply name calling.

5 freetoken  Sun, Apr 15, 2012 5:18:17pm

re: #4 Buck

Maybe if you included a link or example you could be taken more seriously. Otherwise it just seems like you are simply name calling.

You mean the part in the video (around 3:00) where Condell paints the entire OIC as "brutal, barbaric, Islamic hellholes" is not enough?

Last I looked, Morrocco, Indonesia, Turkey, Bahrain, UAE, and several of the rest hardly qualify as "brutal, barbaric hellholes", though they do qualify as "Islamic." And it is that latter one, and only the latter one, which matters to Condell.

Now, many of the OIC are indeed very autocratic and downright backwards, and some are very oppressive to their own people indeed, but that Condell can't, won't, make a distinction is telling.

Condell is a pretender. He has a chip on his shoulders.

6 Randall Gross  Sun, Apr 15, 2012 5:40:55pm

re: #4 Buck

Maybe if you included a link or example you could be taken more seriously. Otherwise it just seems like you are simply name calling.

How about he supports and speaks at the no mosque movement, thus linking arms with Spencer and Gellar, how about he's in favor of banning scarves on schoolgirls like that helmet haired fascist from the netherlands? How about he supports the far right UKIP?

He's pro fascist, just better than most a pretending not to be.

7 Randall Gross  Sun, Apr 15, 2012 5:42:30pm

I also like how Pat professes to be "the reasonable one" and then turns red in the face and sprays invective and spittle at the webcam.

8 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Apr 15, 2012 5:43:34pm

re: #7 Randall Gross

I also like how Pat professes to be "the reasonable one" and then turns red in the face and sprays invective and spittle at the webcam.

This is one of the most annoying things about him. It's like he's always about to pop a vessel. Breitbart's rage was nothing compared to Pat.

9 Buck  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:17:58pm

re: #5 freetoken

You mean the part in the video (around 3:00) where Condell paints the entire OIC as "brutal, barbaric, Islamic hellholes" is not enough?

Actually he specifically mentions the "dictatorships and theocracies". However if "Morrocco, Indonesia, Turkey, Bahrain, UAE" vote with the rest as a block, then they are supporting "brutal, barbaric, Islamic hellholes".

It is funny to me that you are ok with painting some with the broad brush of who they associate with, but not these countries that not only associate with brutal dictators but actually actively support them.

I don't think that characterising the entire OIC with labels that even you admit would describe the majority displays cognitive dissonance or bigotry.

Remember the subject is how they vote as a block against Israel in the UN Human Right Council. If you think the UAE is somehow enlightened suddenly why is it they NEVER support any action or even discussion on the Human Rights abuses in Iran, or Saudi Arabia?

10 Buck  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 3:20:52pm

re: #6 Randall Gross

banning scarves

Not so sure about this. When ever I see "banning scarves" it turns out to be actually banning "face covering, identity obscuring masks". I mean, I am pretty sure no one is talking about banning women's scarves.

11 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:46:37pm

So, Buck, have you been to Pat's site lately?

[Link: www.patcondell.net...]

Go to the links section:

[Link: www.patcondell.net...]

The very last favorite link goes to this site:

[Link: stophalalkillings.webs.com...]

One of the quotes:

[Link: www.stop-barbaric-slaughter.webs.com...]

To win one of these Tee-shirts Just Answer This Question

Why are Muslims & Jews so inhuman

Still feel the need to defend Pat, Buck?

12 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:24:08am

When it comes to the Middle East Hell is pleased.

13 Locker  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 6:47:58am

Pat Condell is the man. He doesn't like religion and it's funny. Also he's one of the bravest individuals I know to constantly put out his videos knowing that there are people everywhere who want to kill him.

14 Buck  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 7:55:01am

re: #12 Romantic Heretic

from your link:

At our urging the Israelis build a ghetto not unlike the one in Warsaw sixty years ago. This, of course, fills the Palestinians with Wrath. We use that Wrath to suggest to the Palestinians that bombarding Israel with rockets is the proper thing to do, that doing this will eventually destroy the thing they hate.

I personally think that saying that Israel created a ghetto (they didn't) like the one in Warsaw is an anti semetic lie. The link also goes on to justify the war crimes of bombing civilians on what Israel has done.

Your link is from Salon.com. I guess that means that everyone who links to Salon.com is an Anti semite.

15 SidewaysQuark  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:17:07am

re: #3 Randall Gross

Until it comes to Muslims, the cognitive dissonance is there with this bigot and we've had this conversation before.

Condell is right on the money, in my opinion.

There are wonderful Muslim people, and Islam in and of itself is no better or worse than most major religions.

But if one thinks Islam as practiced today worldwide doesn't have a grossly higher proportion of problematic issues related to fundamentalism than other religions in the West, then one is quite honestly kidding himself.

I don't recall anywhere where Condell condemns individual Muslims for the collective actions of large swaths of politically powerful Islamic groups and fundie practices, but he pulls no punches when it comes to these groups and practices and those with allegiance to them - nor should he.

16 Buck  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:29:02am

re: #11 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars

Still feel the need to defend Pat, Buck?

You keep changing your nick. Is this an every week thing?

Is Freetoken defending the OIC and it's record in the UN Human Rights Council in his above post? Would anyone? Try and remember that is what the video in the OP is about. It isn't about ritual slaughter.

Show me a video where Pat Condell attacks Kosher and Hallal meat and I will criticize THAT video.


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Just to follow up on the OIC,

Anyone want to defend ANY of the member countries when they agreed as a group that "Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam" was a good response to the United Nations’ Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) of 1948?

Do you want to defend the OIC?

17 Buck  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:51:11am

I think the real difference between blind bigotry and being critical of a group is being specific about what it is that the group is doing that you disagree with.

In this case Pat is taking note of how Israel is being screwed daily in the UN. So he feels free to criticize the UN. He also recognises that there is a block of votes that come from countries that identify them selves as Islamic, and how they group together to attack Israel.

Countries that identify themselves as Islamic and at the same time they don't think that Israel should be a Nation that identifies itself as Jewish.

This is NOT some crazy idea. On this he is absolutely right. Of the 57 leaders of these states, most do NOT represent their citizens. Even if every citizen in those 57 states were loving peaceful un biased individuals it would NOT matter one bit. The citizens in a dictatorship do not make policy. They do not effect the vote that their dictator makes in UN.

I don't think that the Dictator rules the dictatorship is cognitive dissonance or bigotry.


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