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1 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:58:56pm

Why do I have a feeling that if this verdict had gone down in Mississippi, you would have nothing but scorn for the superstitious dumbass GOP-supporting Americans involved?

I see no evidence that they told people not to prepare. They tried to calm a public panic. The earth shook. The earth does that.

300-some people should not have died in a quake that size in a seismic hazard zone. That speaks to shoddy construction, lack of proper building regulations and inspections, and a failure to retrofit old buildings, all of which were reported on following the quake. If someone wants to point fingers, that's where the criminal activity lies, not with some poor bastards who couldn't predict an earthquake, not being psychic.

2 CuriousLurker  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:07:52pm

Can I get an amen? Testify, sistah!
// *giggles*

3 CuriousLurker  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:09:19pm

re: #1 SanFranciscoZionist

Um, that was for you. ;)

4 Destro  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:18:36pm

re: #1 SanFranciscoZionist

This part:

Italy’s top seismologists were called in to evaluate the situation and the-then deputy director of the Civil Protection agency Bernardo De Bernardinis gave press interviews saying the seismic activity in L’Aquila posed “no danger”.

He advised local residents to relax with a glass of wine.

If the reporting is accurate, is that a proper thing for the deputy director of the Civil Protection agency to say?

And I did not say I defend the horrible verdict only that I understand why the people are angry at the govt.

The Italian people are not primitives that's why this trial made no sense as reported (certainly are not on a Mississippi GOP inbred level of ignorance).

5 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:31:21pm

re: #4 Destro

This part:

Italy’s top seismologists were called in to evaluate the situation and the-then deputy director of the Civil Protection agency Bernardo De Bernardinis gave press interviews saying the seismic activity in L’Aquila posed “no danger”.

He advised local residents to relax with a glass of wine.

If the reporting is accurate, is that a proper thing for the deputy director of the Civil Protection agency to say?

And I did not say I defend the horrible verdict only that I understand why the people are angry at the govt.

The Italian people are not primitives that's why this trial made no sense as reported (certainly are not on a Mississippi GOP inbred level of ignorance).

Saying 'no danger' was probably stupid, given the history of earthquakes in the region. It's not a six year sentence worth of stupid. That does not mean that their department had not promoted earthquake safety, nor does it mean they could have done anything to stop what was coming, nor could they have accurately predicted if a major seismic event was coming, nor when, if it was. They were dealing with a state of public panic. What were their options? Evacuate a town of 75,000 and the entire surrounding region until a danger that exists constantly and has for thousands of years was over?

Workers reported that collapsed buildings contained shoddy concrete that fell apart like sand. Someone made good money off of that.

We lost 62 people in the Bay Area from the Loma Prieta quake in 1989, and 42 of those were because of the Cypress Structure collapse. That happened because of bad rebar placement. Loma Prieta was a 6.9 to L'Aquila's 6.3.

It really is all about construction.

6 Destro  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:25:06pm

re: #5 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't get how you can read what I wrote, where I say I am aghast at the guilty verdict and think I am defending the verdict.

I was trying to understand what happened that made such a verdict possible in an advanced western country - jokes about Italy's history with Galileo Galilei aside.

So we agree, the verdict was wrong.

We agree that "Saying 'no danger' was probably stupid, given the history of earthquakes in the region." (and I am guessing you did not read that far into my post to see that quote where the Italian official told people to not worry and drink wine rather than tell them to earthquake proof their homes or plan for the worse).

And all I was doing was trying to understand the anger of the people and why they feel as they do and demanded this action.

By the way, I invented an earthquake defense system for homes that can be retro-fitted with minimal construction or demolition involved for old homes in these areas.

The problem was that it was aesthetically ugly. I thought seeing exposed steel beams sexy but the Italians thought otherwise.


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