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1 jaunte  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 5:47:31pm

Coal smog, this October at the Grand Canyon:
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2 lostlakehiker  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 6:07:59pm

This just points out the necessity of action that stands some chance of influencing the future conduct of India and China.

Are there any new coal fired plants planned for the U.S? I doubt it. More likely, many now operating plants will be closed. We have our scientific and environmental reasons, but another reason is that we can do so without bearing any really scary cost. We can go to natural-gas fired plants. That halves the CO2 emissions per BTU from burning, and probably more than halves the CO2 emissions per kwh generated.

What might persuade India and China to change course? Make it convenient and cheap to do so: bend down the cost curve of alternatives. [Near term interim, fracking and efficiency steps. Intermediate term, wind, solar, and nuclear. Long term? Too late. We haven't got that long.]

Another way to persuade them: talk about the science until they get it. Like that worked with us.

Another way: let the reality slap them around until they figure it out. We've been through a couple bad years of drought, a superstorm enhanced by climate change, and God knows what else, and we've not been slapped enough yet to get it. It'll take a lot of slapping, and by the time the really big slaps start to gain traction, there'll be a world of hurt in store for all of us even if we do, belatedly, all change course.

3 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 6:26:29pm

Fuck Coal! We should just torch that shit, just burn it al....oh, wait....

/nevermind


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