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1 researchok  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 2:45:05pm
Yes, I have an ulterior motive here in that I’m trying to divert attention from the seemingly endless fighting that goes on in the Pages by looking for aspects of Judaism & Israel that we can discuss in a positive way, and which will increase understanding instead of causing squabbles where everyone hunkers down in their respective trenches and proceeds to hurl insults and accusations at one other.

As they say, 'Blessed are the peacemakers'

2 Flavia  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 10:15:44pm

Yeah, I have noticed that the Reform, particularly, keep pushing the one-sided view of Chanukah as solely a military victory, without anything spiritual at all, & insisting "the rabbis just added that in later." It's a relatively new phenomenon.

3 Destro  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 11:38:30pm
The story of Hannukah is about a small group of determined religious fanatics defeating the occupying force of a modern, wealthy empire. It turns out the Maccabees also behaved like a Jewish version of the kind of "morality police" we see in Islamist theocracies.

- Adam Serwer, reporter at the Washington, DC, bureau of Mother Jones.

4 benf_dc  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:02:50am

@curiouslurker—Nice write-up. Note that almost all of the menorah images on that web page of ancient menorahs are representations of the seven-branched temple menorah, and as such are not specifically referencing Hanukkah.

@Flavia—There's nothing new about Reform being anti-rabbinic. Besides, the rabbis of old did very deliberately attempt to reshape the focus of the holiday. That's how 1 and 2 Maccabees came to be Apocrypha—books present in the Septuagint that were later dropped from the Jewish canon. The Maccabees saw themselves as zealots in the mold of Pinchas (gentiles know him as Phineas), and the rabbis of old took a dim view of Pinchas too. And to zealotry generally. I think it had something to do with the Romans.

5 CuriousLurker  Tue, Dec 11, 2012 3:50:17am

re: #4 benf_dc

@curiouslurker—Nice write-up. Note that almost all of the menorah images on that web page of ancient menorahs are representations of the seven-branched temple menorah, and as such are not specifically referencing Hanukkah.

Thanks for pointing that out as I hadn't noticed the difference. I found an explanation of the differences here. Learn something new everyday...


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