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1 Kdizzle  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 5:21:05pm

Love the whole "Palestinian Lies" thing.

That kind of untrustworthy and unscrupulous by genetics trope has never been used to dehumanize and caricature an entire ethnic or religious population before. Really.

2 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 7:21:49pm

re: #1 Kdizzle

Did I say anything about genetics? No, I did not. The lies I am referring to are lies put out by Palestinians, it does not therefore follow that I was ascribing dishonesty to Palestinians as a nationality.

3 Lobengula  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:41:22am

I think the idea of providing video cameras to expose propaganda is brilliant. BT'selem used videos to good effect to demonstrate:
The inaction of the IDF when Palestinians are being attacked by rabid settlers
Settlers shooting at palestinians
Settler children throwing stones at Palestinian women and children
Foaming-at-the-mouth settlers destroying ancient olive trees

And how about when Israel refuses entry to foreign media after a 'ground assault.' If Jenin had a camera on every street corner, we might have been able to find out how exactly a family of ten end up riddled with bullet holes. Having strategically-placed cameras may also preempt Avital Leibovich's oft-used refrain that 'we have proof that the hospital/ the school/ the mosque was being used to launch missile.'

I think you're on to something

4 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 5:00:58am

re: #3 Lobengula

Go Away Gordon.

5 Red Falcons of America  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 8:55:08am

re: #3 Lobengula

agreed. There needs to be Israeli cameras in the settlements as well - settlers often attack Palestinians with the IDF standing by, and then claim that the Palestinians where the agressors and arrest them with no consequences for the fascist right-wing extremists.

6 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 9:32:44am

re: #1 Kdizzle

Love the whole "Palestinian Lies" thing.

That kind of untrustworthy and unscrupulous by genetics trope has never been used to dehumanize and caricature an entire ethnic or religious population before. Really.

Except when waves of Irish hit our shores
or Italians
or Germans
or Japanese
or ,,,,,

{sigh}

7 Buck  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 1:17:27pm

re: #3 Lobengula

BT'selem used videos to good effect to demonstrate

Actually they don't. What they do is film and edit to make their point.

What the Israel forces are going to do is film the filmers and show the whole story.

8 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 1:48:01pm

re: #1 Kdizzle

Love the whole "Palestinian Lies" thing.

That kind of untrustworthy and unscrupulous by genetics trope has never been used to dehumanize and caricature an entire ethnic or religious population before. Really.

-5 karma for this post - looks bad till you consider the roll-call of tardoids that downdinged it.

9 Buck  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:31:05pm

re: #8 Jimmah

-5 karma for this post - looks bad till you consider the roll-call of tardoids that downdinged it.

Almost funny how a post claiming to be against generalizing about a group not only generalizes about a group, but then its defender does as well.

10 JABaker  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:33:13pm

@ Lobengul


Funny how the Palestinians can smuggle hundreds of rockets and video cameras not so much.

11 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:29:27pm

re: #8 Jimmah

-5 karma for this post - looks bad till you consider the roll-call of tardoids that downdinged it.

So both Jamesfirecat and I are to be counted as 'tardoids' and so is everyone else who downdinged that post? I downdinged post #1 because Kdizzle misrepresented what I was saying, and did so to the extent of slandering me as a bigot. My post isn't bigoted, Jimmah, I'm making no ethnic or religious judgement, nor is the article. But the Palestinian political organizations and terrorist groups have been very dishonest in their reporting of casualties, and to call their deliberate untruths "Palestinian lies" should not have been taken to mean that I was expressing racist sentiment.

Jimmah, please, have more faith in your fellow lizards than that.

12 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:41:17pm

re: #11 Dark_Falcon

Basically, YES.

13 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:47:16pm

re: #12 Jimmah

Basically, YES.

Why? How am I in the wrong for making clear my disapproval of a post that mischarecterizes my argument?

14 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:50:28pm

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

PS Ice and I are drinking right now; opinions may be smaller than they appear ;-)

15 Jimmah  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 3:55:50pm

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

Did I say anything about genetics? No, I did not. The lies I am referring to are lies put out by Palestinians, it does not therefore follow that I was ascribing dishonesty to Palestinians as a nationality.

However, bullshit. After heading your page "Palestinian Lies" you are at liberty to dispute that you intended a genetic meaning to your generalisation but you cannot deny that you intended a nationalistic generalisation, as you actually just admitted.

16 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:01:40pm

re: #15 Jimmah

However, bullshit. After heading your page "Palestinian Lies" you are at liberty to dispute that you intended a genetic meaning to your generalisation but you cannot deny that you intended a nationalistic generalisation, as you actually just admitted.

"Nationality" in that case was meant to refer to race and genetics. I used that word be cause Palestinians are Arabs, so to say "Palestinians as a race" would have been confusing and might have gotten me into trouble. Sometimes the language isn't precise to let us say what we really want to say.

17 Gus  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 7:33:35am
18 Gus  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 7:48:14am

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19 Gus  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 7:49:29am

Washington Redskins fans celebrate NFC East title in victory over Dallas Cowboys - The Washington Post

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Continues.

20 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:49:44am

re: #19 Gus

Washington Redskins fans celebrate NFC East title in victory over Dallas Cowboys - The Washington Post

Gus = Evil Clown

Evil Clown is very quick with a joke, but his jests always have a barb. He has little patience for in-depth discussions and will often disrupt exchanges between serious forum participants by introducing irrelevant topics, fatuous quips, and offhand comments. His greatest thrill is to taunt and humiliate weaker or more plodding Warriors with his snappy ripostes. Not a particularly powerful Warrior, Evil Clown will attempt to avoid defeat by accusing his attacker of having no sense of humor.

21 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:37:50pm

re: #16 Dark_Falcon

"Nationality" in that case was meant to refer to race and genetics. I used that word be cause Palestinians are Arabs, so to say "Palestinians as a race" would have been confusing and might have gotten me into trouble. Sometimes the language isn't precise to let us say what we really want to say.

Let's put it this way, Dark:

Would it be okay for me to title a page "Black lies" and talk about how Farrakhan lies? He's quite popular in many parts of the black community. Would it be okay for me to do that? Why, or why not?

22 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:48:54am

re: #21 Obdicut

Let's put it this way, Dark:

Would it be okay for me to title a page "Black lies" and talk about how Farrakhan lies? He's quite popular in many parts of the black community. Would it be okay for me to do that? Why, or why not?

That would a comment based on race, so no. But if you called it 'Nation of Islam lies' it would be fine. Both Hamas and Fatah engage in this kind of dishonesty, so "Palestinian" is used as an overarching term. To read it as racism, as 'Kdizzle' did, is both incorrect and in my opinion an attempt to blacken the reputations of Strategypage.com, Israel, and me personally.

23 Flavia  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 12:51:27pm

re: #8 Jimmah

-5 karma for this post - looks bad till you consider the roll-call of tardoids that downdinged it.

Thank you for exposing yourself so beautifully with this disgustingly bigoted remark.

Just watch 5 minutes of the Special Olympics - just 5. Maybe it will help you grow. If that's possible.

24 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 4:31:05am

re: #14 Jimmah

PS Ice and I are drinking right now; opinions may be smaller than they appear ;-)

So it's your binge drinking that is responsible for your half-baked commentary?

25 iceweasel  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 10:36:36am

re: #24 Eclectic Infidel

So it's your binge drinking that is responsible for your half-baked commentary?

It took you six days to come up with that comment? Have you been in a rage-fuelled alcoholic blackout since New Years Eve?

26 Jimmah  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 10:45:46am

re: #24 Eclectic Infidel

So it's your binge drinking that is responsible for your half-baked commentary?

A Scot having a couple of drinks on Hogmanay is evidence of 'binge drinking'?

You miserable twit.

27 Jimmah  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 10:50:30am

re: #23 Flavia

Thank you for exposing yourself so beautifully with this disgustingly bigoted remark.

Just watch 5 minutes of the Special Olympics - just 5. Maybe it will help you grow. If that's possible.

Hey St Flavia - stuff your fake piety up your arse where it belongs.

Accusing people of dissing the disabled when they clearly aren't doing anything of the sort? It's what Jesus would do!

28 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 10:56:51am

re: #25 iceweasel

It took you six days to come up with that comment? Have you been in a rage-fuelled alcoholic blackout since New Years Eve?

He did the same thing with me on another Page: waited 5 days to drop off this little package of innuendo & snark. Dead thread trolling. Lame.

29 iceweasel  Sat, Jan 5, 2013 11:17:54am

re: #28 CuriousLurker

Dead thread trolling. Lame.

The dead threads are jammed with broken heroes on a last chance power drive.


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