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1 harrylook  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 6:48:07am

He’s great, except for the “jewish lobby” thing and not liking gay people. Oh, he apologized a couple weeks ago. I forgot that you can say any nasty thing you want, associate with any asshole, take any kooky position you want for years, and then say “I’m sorry,” and all is forgiven…. Never mind.

2 Joanne  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:57:21am

re: #1 harrylook

He’s great, except for the “jewish lobby” thing and not liking gay people. Oh, he apologized a couple weeks ago. I forgot that you can say any nasty thing you want, associate with any asshole, take any kooky position you want for years, and then say “I’m sorry,” and all is forgiven…. Never mind.

Saying that you support Israel but base your votes on the best interest of the US is kooky?

3 Political Atheist  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:02:09am

re: #1 harrylook

He’s great, except for the “jewish lobby” thing and not liking gay people. Oh, he apologized a couple weeks ago. I forgot that you can say any nasty thing you want, associate with any asshole, take any kooky position you want for years, and then say “I’m sorry,” and all is forgiven…. Never mind.

Have you seen this?
By AMBASSADOR MICHAEL GUEST | 1/6/13 9:09 PM EST

As an openly gay career Foreign Service officer and former ambassador, I find it disappointing that the debate over Chuck Hagel’s potential nomination as defense secretary has been sideswiped over — let’s face it — flatly intolerant comments Hagel made half a generation ago.

In 1998, James Hormel — a prominent philanthropist who served our country in many ways — became America’s first openly gay nominee to represent our country abroad as an ambassador.

Hagel opposed the nomination on grounds that Hormel is “aggressively gay” — for which Hagel has since apologized. Hormel has accepted that apology and seems willing to move on.

Why, then, should any of us freeze-frame Hagel’s comments 15 years ago — even as many of us, gay and straight, gladly acknowledge that America’s understanding of, and attitudes toward, sexual orientation and gender identity are changing rapidly?

Read more: [Link: www.politico.com…]

4 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:53:48am

Hagel’s a good choice. And calling him a kook is a load of shit as are the attempts to smear him as an Anti-Semite. And as fucked up as Hagel’s actions were with Hornel were, he wasn’t alone in that regard and I think his subsequent actions show that he’s not a bigoted asshole. Hagel’s greatest strength I think is that he’s a man who understands war which is something that the Pentagon needs.

5 harrylook  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 10:04:10am

re: #2 Joanne

LOL. Yeah, that was the part I was talking about. [eye roll].

6 lostlakehiker  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 10:41:10am

Hagel looks like a reasonable choice. People who carp and say they wouldn’t have chosen him miss the point. Presidents choose their own teams. Hagel shouldn’t be Borked.

7 jogiff  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 1:53:41pm

Why can’t we have a real liberal as Secretary of Defense. We’re at a crossroads for gays in the military, but now we’re appointing a homophobe? Women in the military are still being assaulted. But Obama is appointing a man with a consistent 0% rating from NARAL? Just because wingnuts don’t like a guy doesn’t mean he’s a liberal ally.

I’m sure that Obama has the political capital to appoint a genuine liberal (s/he would probably receive the exact same opposition from Republicans) but he doesn’t want to be accused of abandoning Hagel like he was with Rice. Or maybe he’s saving up political capital for the upcoming debt ceiling fight. Or there could be some other thing. Either way, looks like we’re getting another Republican Secretary of Defense.

8 Buck  Mon, Jan 7, 2013 5:34:12pm

re: #2 Joanne

Saying that you support Israel but base your votes on the best interest of the US is kooky?

The problem is that he said, and apparently still believes, “the Jewish lobby intimidates” lots of members of Congress, and that’s why most members of Congress are more pro-Israel than Hagel.

Just to be more clear, he accuses OTHERS of not taking the best interest of the US because of the the influence of the “Jewish lobby”.

It is serious, and this accusation has a history.


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