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1 celticdragon  Wed, Apr 10, 2013 3:12:32pm

The unemployment rate sure took off like a rocket after she came into office. For somebody so hostile to government support for the poor, she ended up forcing millions of Britons onto “The Dole” in a vast expansion of poverty.

2 Political Atheist  Wed, Apr 10, 2013 3:21:58pm

re: #1 celticdragon

Interesting how that happened in France too. From 4 1/2 to 9 instead of 11, but obviously larger forces were in play. I think Canada hit 13% unemployment.

3 Gus  Wed, Apr 10, 2013 8:32:51pm

Thatcher was PM for 11 years. Blair and Brown were PMs for a total of 13 years representing labor. Brown was an abject failure on many fronts. Cameron is essentially a centrist conservative. In the USA he would be considered a liberal Democrat.

4 Jimmah  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 3:28:46am

re: #3 Gus

Cameron is essentially a centrist conservative. In the USA he would be considered a liberal Democrat.

Only because the right wing in America today is so horribly poisoned. However, Cameron’s economics and politics are a joke - a nasty old wingnut joke at that - the one about how the priviliged and the fortunate lecture the country about how success depends on blaming the poor, shafting the poor and exhonerating/ coddling the rich. And they are shafting the poor in this country right now very much, actually. Not rhetoric - they are hurting people.

He may be constrained by what is in many ways a healthier political atmosphere in the uk, for example they may be much less vitriolic and even sometimes relatively reasonable on some social issues, but in their economic philosophy they are on the same page as the most rabid economic wingnuts in America.

5 Destro  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 6:21:18am

re: #4 Jimmah

This is my favorite comment on the comment section to this article:

PMTexas
Lived in london for 5 years (2006-11). Brits have invested ZERO in infrastructure since Victorian times (my street in a nice part of London still had wooden, yes wooden, water pipes in 2007) - and as a result are the wealthiest 3rd world nation. May be undisputed king of that neiborhood, they may howl, but all 100% true.

Boom in UK happened - when digitization happened and paper - physical documents - no longer had to be transported around perpetualy (sp?) gridlocked London. THIS was the pure example of technology leading to a boom. Absent the easing of the practicalities of commerce (particularly finance industry commerce), the UK would be in perma-malaise.

Living in the UK i was shocked that my expensive apartment had no hot or cold water faucet. You had a left hand hot water faucet and a right handed cold water faucet and it looks like it was like that since the pre WW1 1900s. And I looked. Almost all bathrooms in London had that set up.

I actually had to buy a piece of kit that slipped on the nozzles of the faucet to mix the water. Also the water pressure was the worst and the water tasted bad and was rust colored.

6 Political Atheist  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 6:22:21am

re: #3 Gus

The vitriol aimed at Cameron and Thatcher has gone well beyond any kind of objective academic review. It’s much the same personal vitriol against the right as we are about to see about the left from the right as May Day approaches.

It’s more about venting than reality. Partisan poison of two distinct flavors.

7 fantasmaguero  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 6:25:07am

re: #4 Jimmah

He may be constrained by what is in many ways a healthier political atmosphere in the uk, for example they may be much less vitriolic and even sometimes relatively reasonable on some social issues, but in their economic philosophy they are on the same page as the most rabid economic wingnuts in America.

They find plenty of time for linking their vile economics to their preferred social critiques, as George Osborne makes disgustingly clear. One tragedy involving a craven narcissist on benefits, and we’re to believe welfare = burning children. Gives many Republicans a run for their money in the chutzpah department. The Tory social agenda is more baldly economic in practice, but no less revolting.

8 Political Atheist  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 6:30:28am

re: #5 Destro
Crappy faucets and the apartment sink layouts are a matter for local authority, landlords and the like. Local water mains? Hardly a national gov responsibility. Who is mayor? Is there no London city authority? Your commenter points out issues that long predate current politics left or right.

LA has major water main issues, breaks and floods. 100 year old pipes. Is that the fault of our national leadership? Hardly. What this illustrates is how criticisms get misplaced. Much like blaming Obama for LA water woes. (Fortunately we have not seen that yet here)

9 Jimmah  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 6:36:45am

re: #5 Destro

This is my favorite comment on the comment section to this article:

Living in the UK i was shocked that my expensive apartment had no hot or cold water faucet. You had a left hand hot water faucet and a right handed cold water faucet and it looks like it was like that since the pre WW1 1900s. And I looked. Almost all bathrooms in London had that set up.

I actually had to buy a piece of kit that slipped on the nozzles of the faucet to mix the water. Also the water pressure was the worst and the water tasted bad and was rust colored.

We still have those taps (faucets) in most kitchens/ bathrooms, although the mixer style is slowly gaining ground. I see that as more of a style choice though.

As for water quality, England is not good - limey, alkaline water that tastes bad and clogs up your pipes/kettles etc. London’s water is about the worst, imo - a glass straight from the tap will leave your mouth tasting like you’ve just smoked a fag. Scottish water on the other hand, is a comp[letely different story. No hardness, no weird flavour- tastes exactly like New York water, actually.

10 iossarian  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 6:53:47am

re: #9 Jimmah

We still have those taps (faucets) in most kitchens/ bathrooms, although the mixer style is slowly gaining ground. I see that as more of a style choice though.

As for water quality, England is not good - limey, alkaline water that tastes bad and clogs up your pipes/kettles etc. London’s water is about the worst, imo - a glass straight from the tap will leave your mouth tasting like you’ve just smoked a fag. Scottish water on the other hand, is a comp[letely different story. No hardness, no weird flavour- tastes exactly like New York water, actually.

Shorter Jimmah: England bad, Scotland good.

:)

11 celticdragon  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 8:06:42am

There were still wooden sewage pipes in Jacksonville Fla up into the 1980s in some places.

12 Stoatly  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 8:12:22am

re: #9 Jimmah

We still have those taps (faucets) in most kitchens/ bathrooms, although the mixer style is slowly gaining ground. I see that as more of a style choice though.

I personally much prefer separate hot and cold taps in the bathroom - I get ever so slightly annoyed by the extra work involved in getting just cold or just hot out of a mixer tap and the water mixes just fine in the basin
I can’t actually remember the last time I saw separate taps in a UK kitchen tho’, the swivelly mixer tap seems pretty universal and makes sense except maybe for poncey designer-retro Belfast type sinks
(maybe I’m just unobservant or never offer to help with the washing up..)

As for water quality, England is not good - limey, alkaline water that tastes bad and clogs up your pipes/kettles etc. London’s water is about the worst, imo - a glass straight from the tap will leave your mouth tasting like you’ve just smoked a fag. Scottish water on the other hand, is a comp[letely different story. No hardness, no weird flavour- tastes exactly like New York water, actually.

The water in the Lake District where I grew up is incredibly soft, - visiting back from where I live now which IFAIK has the hardest water in the UK I tend to forget and end up fighting a mass of foam in the shower when I wash my hair

Water quality in the UK is more to do with geology than Maggie

13 iossarian  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 8:13:49am

re: #12 Stoatly

The water in the Lake District where I grew up is incredibly soft […]

Nice place to grow up! Scenery-wise anyway…

14 Stoatly  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 8:27:40am

re: #13 iossarian

Nice place to grow up! Scenery-wise anyway…

Oh yes! But “you can’t eat the scenery” as they say in Local Hero
Actually the employment situation is much better there now than when I was a kid - but the price of houses has become ludicrous due to second-home ownership so people on a normal wage are priced out

That you can hang on Maggie - well at least in part
(Geology or at least geography still has an effect, the Lakes is a small area of a small crowded island)

15 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 8:37:59am

re: #14 Stoatly

Oh yes! But “you can’t eat the scenery” as they say in Local Hero
Actually the employment situation is much better there now than when I was a kid - but the price of houses has become ludicrous due to second-home ownership so people on a normal wage are priced out

That you can hang on Maggie - well at least in part
(Geology or at least geography still has an effect, the Lakes is a small area of a small crowded island)

“We won’t have anywhere to call home, but we’ll be stinkin’ rich. “

16 Destro  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 8:58:05am

re: #9 Jimmah

We still have those taps (faucets) in most kitchens/ bathrooms, although the mixer style is slowly gaining ground. I see that as more of a style choice though.

It literally drove me crazy. I was told by locals you stuff up the sing and mix the water in the sink or a bowl to get the right temperature consistency.

I was told water pressure was low because London’s pipes can’t handle it - and many may still be lead pipes and after tasting London water I so understand why drinking beer is preferred.

17 Stoatly  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 8:59:22am

re: #15 Decatur Deb

“We won’t have anywhere to call home, but we’ll be stinkin’ rich. “

The stinkin’ rich are the ones who can afford the homes - but then find they can’t get anyone to clean them, fix their car or serve them in a local shop

Much of the work is done now by Poles etc who put up with rubbish accommodation knowing they will only be there temporarily while they save up some money

18 Stoatly  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 9:10:14am

re: #9 Jimmah

England is not good - limey,

Racist!


re: #16 Destro

It literally drove me crazy.

Explains a lot….
// (I kid, I kid)

19 Stoatly  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 10:59:38am

Richard Ayoade’s Water Pressure:


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