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1 alinuxguru  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 5:45:47am

And?

I mean, really, so what?

The FBI also uses helicopters, cars, and radios. I even heard that they use laptops. So who cares if they are using remote controlled planes? I mean, really, so what? Because it is a “drone”? Are you attempting to conflate a military drone with Predator missiles to a remote controlled plane?

2 Randall Gross  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 5:59:01am

re: #1 alinuxguru

I’m not “attempting” to do anything but post a news story I saw. I find it curious that now it’s something the feds play down, but when Bush was in charge every wingnut wanted wall to wall drones across the border.

3 Political Atheist  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 6:29:47am

re: #1 alinuxguru

Here is what I found a little bothersome. First the FBI buys drones. Then they commit to their use. What’s missing from that picture? Only now are they deciding (largely internally, of by and for themselves) what the use limits and policies should be.

That debate needs to be public. Just like back in the day when LAPD bought helicopters to help cover our sprawling city. Or when phone taps become possible. With each new tech needs to come a fresh debate, limits, rights, responsibilities. A public, not an internal discussion and decision process. They work for us.

4 alinuxguru  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:17:02am

re: #3 Political Atheist

Here is what I found a little bothersome. First the FBI buys drones. Then they commit to their use. What’s missing from that picture? Only now are they deciding (largely internally, of by and for themselves) what the use limits and policies should be.

That debate needs to be public. Just like back in the day when LAPD bought helicopters to help cover our sprawling city. Or when phone taps become possible. With each new tech needs to come a fresh debate, limits, rights, responsibilities. A public, not an internal discussion and decision process. They work for us.

Did we have a debate when the FBI started using laptops? Did we have a debate when the LAPD changed their helicopter supplier from Sikorsky to Eurocopter? What happens when the debate is nothing different than creationists plea that “we teach both sides of the debate”?

Fundamentally, the only change from helicopters to drone is that the usage of drones provides enhanced coverage and greater safety for the pilots. There really is nothing to debate here other than the type of ergonomic chair to place in the pilot station.

5 Political Atheist  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 8:59:57am

re: #4 alinuxguru

I’d love to agree but I can’t for a couple reasons. Quantity and quality matters. The technology matters. If we do not have the debate then it’s all the courts and the FBI vs the ACLU again. that’s backwards.

LAPD at one time was using infrared cameras to invade privacy in homes. Right through the roof and walls. That got set aside. The police just assumed the right to intrude. That my good fellow poster is why the debate should not end quite yet. Or these guys make a pretty good case.

We Already Have Police Helicopters, So What’s the Big Deal Over Drones?

EDIT Okay I Paged that for further discussion. Randall, Alinuxguru if you like we can take this discussion a little further.

6 alinuxguru  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 9:50:53am

re: #5 Political Atheist

We Already Have Police Helicopters, So What’s the Big Deal Over Drones?

EDIT Okay I Paged that for further discussion. Randall, Alinuxguru if you like we can take this discussion a little further.

Sorry, I cannot wrap my head around the anti-drone rationalizations. They are speculative in nature and assume a slippery slope that may never exist. Don’t give me a worst case that may never happen. But when you actually have a legitimate concern, let me know. Until then, the anti-drone crowds argument basically boils down to once you let the drones in, you will have anchor baby drones and that will lead to beastiality and death panels.

7 Randall Gross  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 10:05:51am

I almost agree with you Alinuxguru but for one thing: Drones can get to places where Helicopters can’t, so there are some minor ethics and legal questions to resolve regarding “reasonable expectations of privacy” etc.

8 alinuxguru  Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:06:17am

re: #7 Randall Gross

I almost agree with you Alinuxguru but for one thing: Drones can get to places where Helicopters can’t, so there are some minor ethics and legal questions to resolve regarding “reasonable expectations of privacy” etc.

Well, I almost agree with you but for one thing: Just because a drone may be able to get to places where the helicopter cannot does not mean that there is some Constitutional crisis. A motorcycle can get to places where a police cruiser cannot. So what? The only ethics and legal questions are speculative in nature. Although the anti-drone rhetoric has not reach Alex Jones levels of hysteria, it is premature.


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